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A
C
All
right
good
afternoon,
everyone,
I'm
chair
anna
priest,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
on
energy
in
the
environment.
This
is
our
july
2022
meeting.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating.
Virtually
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website.
C
I
will
now
go
through
and
do
a
roll
call
for
all
present
committee
members
who
are
participating.
Please
make
sure
to
keep
your
microphone
muted.
If
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question,
please
use
the
raised
hand,
button
I'll,
call
on
you
and
you
you
can
unmute
your
microphone,
but
please
remember
to
mute
it
afterwards
when
you're
done
speaking
all
right.
Committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
so
we
know
that
you
are
present
ann
keller.
C
C
Great
and
we
have
bridget
herring
running
the
show
here
from
the
city's
sustainability
office
and
kiera
bolin
will
not
be
joining
us
today,
all
right
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state.
Each
section
of
the
agenda
allow
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
C
Additionally,
one
more
time
make
sure
you
raise
your
hand.
A
little
raise
your
hand,
button
feature
in
your
google
meeting,
and
then
I
can
call
on
you
once
you
have.
If
you
have
a
question
all
right
agenda
item,
one
is
to
approve
our
may
minutes.
G
I
move
to
approve
the
may
action
minutes.
C
Sounds
good
all
right!
Well,
let
me
do
a
quick
roll
call
to
do
about
to
approve
and.
C
C
First
comment
comes
from
ken
brain
with
a
sierra
club.
The
local
sierra
club
group
strongly
recommends
passage
of
this
ordinance.
We
no
longer
afford
either
the
environmental
costs
of
producing
plastics
or
the
impact
of
microplastic
pollution
in
our
air
and
water.
I
have
seen
the
impact
of
plastic
bags
clogging
our
drains
and
floating
in
the
river
and
caught
in
the
trees
along
the
banks
during
river
cleanups.
C
C
The
second
comment
comes
from
paul
charbonnet,
who
is
a
resident
of
buncombe
county.
The
various,
whereas
proposed,
are
unaccompanied
by
any
cited
scientific
research.
The
simple
fact
that
we
live
in
the
nation's
most
beautiful
tree-covered
mountains
means
we
support
preserving
homes
and
lifestyles.
C
Let
the
folks
in
texas,
with
oil
wells
in
the
semi
desert,
produce
the
tiny
amount
of
oil
to
make
plastic
bags
leave
our
forest
standing.
Many
scientific
studies
make
a
favorable
case
for
plastic.
What
of
these
have
been
studied
by
the
committee
which
that
favoring
paper
has
the
committee
considered?
B
G
G
B
So
over,
as
you
all
are
aware,
the
city
is
in
the
process
of
updating
our
sustainability
management
plan
that
was
adopted
in
2009
to
incorporate
all
the
additional
resolutions
and
climate
initiatives
that
have
been
started
since
that
time
into
one
document
and
over
the
past
month
or
so,
staff
has
worked
with
and
each
of
the
cc
working
groups
to
kind
of
go
over
the
initial
kind
of
findings
to
date
from
this
project,
and
this
is
the
first
time
that
we've
had
anything
of
this
sort
to
even
start
to
review,
so
appreciate
all
the
working
groups
taking
some
time
to
look
at
this,
and
this
document
really
gives
you
a
background
and
a
snapshot
of
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today
to
make
sure
that
everybody
has
the
context
on
the
project.
B
But
what
I
really
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
that,
I
think,
is
helpful
right
now.
Is
this
graphic
that
shows
kind
of
where
we
are
in
the
process
and
what's
happening?
So
what
has
happened
so
far?
Is
we've
had
this
goal
review
and
did
a
gap
analysis
and
then
from
that
started,
to
look
at
what
are
the
items
that
either
the
city
needs
to
can
continue
to
do?
B
Maybe
areas
where
something
hasn't
happened
yet
and
like
what
are
those
kind
of
high
impact
practices
to
help
us
get
furthest
towards
our
climate
goals,
and
so
from
that
we've
come
up
with
this
list
of
high
impact
activities,
which
is
also
linked
in
this
agenda,
and
we
have
a
number
of
activities
listed
and
we'll
take
that
list
and
put
it
through
a
prioritization
to
come
up
with
20
roughly
identified
activities
that
are
then
going
to
get
further
review,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
that
doesn't
mean
anything
that
doesn't
get
elevated
to
that.
B
20
is
going
to
like
necessarily
go
away,
it
might
be,
it
will
still
be
included
in
there,
but
we
will
have
to
recognize
that
we
can't
do
everything
all
at
once
and
that
we
need
to
really
prioritize
and
focus
our
energy
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
progress
on
these
goals.
So
that's
just
kind
of
a
little
a
graphic
that
helps
us
recognize
where
we
are
in
the
process
and
where
we're
going
so.
B
B
Looked
at
so
this
is
the
list
that
all
of
you
have
looked
at
before
so
just
running
through
this,
and
really
we
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
re-categorize
what
we're
doing
and
simplify
it,
to
make
it
more
accessible
to
a
wider
audience
of
people,
make
it
more
digestible,
and
so
we
came
up
with
three
different
goal
areas
and
then,
underneath
each
of
those
goal
areas
their
focus
areas
then
then
have
activities
underneath
them.
B
G
I
did
have
a
couple
things
I
wanted
to
ask
or
comment
on.
I
don't
know
now
or
later
bridgette,
which
would
you.
B
G
And
you
see
it's
just
specifically
says
green
infrastructure.
That
is
not
adequate,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
add
that
somewhere
in
the
top
or
where,
but
I
don't
think
leaving
that
out
is
smart
at
all,
because
it's
going
to
be
very
costly
and
we
need
to
come
to
terms
and
it's
going
to
be
something
we
need
to
tackle
yesterday,
because
it's
going
to
take
30
years.
G
So
please
note
that
for
aecom
and
future
discussions
that
you
may
have
in
the
city,
let
me
see
if
I
had
any
other
ones
that
oh
and
farther
down,
I
think
the
terminology.
I
think
we
had
a
little
conversation
with
this
in
our
work
group,
but
I
can't
remember
for
sure
about
the
term
neighbor
communities.
The
city
fosters
yeah
catalyzes
things
in
nashville
communities.
G
I'm
not
sure
that
term
is
so
applicable.
I'm
not
sure
how
other
people
feel
about
it.
To
me,
it
could
be
the
business
community
and
neighborhoods
or
something
else,
because
I'm
not
it
sounds
like
there
are
different
cities
within
asheville.
I
I
don't
really
know
so.
Maybe
we
could
talk
more
about
that
if
other
people
have
ideas
and
that
those
are
the
only
two
things
I
wanted
to
put
out
there.
C
H
Good
well,
I
would
I
was
going
to
ask
comment
or
ask
a
question
of
anne
on
that.
But
if
richard,
if
you
want
to
go
ahead,
that's.
H
Yeah,
hey-
and
I
I
I
hear
you
on
your
point,
one
about
graham
for
the
importance
of
great
infrastructure.
I
just
I
just
didn't
see
where
this
document
distinguished
between
green
and
gray
infrastructure,
well,.
G
H
G
Exactly
there's
no
mention
there
of
stormwater
and
I
don't
know
I
think,
with
the
significance
of
that
particular
piece:
it's
not
just
the.
Could
you
go
back
up
to
the
top
there
bridget,
it's
not
just
the
you
know,
grid
or
grid
or
whatever
you
mention
the
grid,
but
you
don't
mention
gray
infrastructure.
D
B
G
One
quick
question
add-on
since
we're
stopping
for
a
second
is:
how
do
you
imagine
towards
the
end
of
this
process?
Will
we
have
timelines
and
goals
because
I
think
just
like
any
other
human,
if
the
city
doesn't
have
committed
goals,
time
frames,
it'll,
morph
off
into
infinity
and
there's
no
accountability.
There.
B
B
How
do
we
sequence
things
right
and
how
do
we
prioritize
recognizing
that
we
can't
do
everything
all
at
one
time,
but
that
we
need
to
say
you
know
if
we
don't
start
this
today
right-
and
I
think
stormwater
is
a
great
example
of
that,
but
that's
going
to
take
quite
some
time
to
build
out,
and
so
you
know
you
could-
and
I
think
I've
used
this
example
in
some
of
our
working
groups
before.
But
maybe,
if
you
were
looking
at,
you
know,
purchasing
off-site
renewable
energy
to
help
fuel
city
operations.
B
That
might
be
something
that
we
could
look
at
taking
on
at
a
later
date,
because
maybe
there'll
be
more
favorable
procurement
opportunities
from
you
know,
through
duke
energy
or
whatnot
or
different
pricing.
As
that
technology
gets
more
deployed
in
our
in
our
region,
but
like
stormwater,
we
might
say,
but
absolutely
we
need
to
start
that
today
and
so
that
we
can
all
have
some
kind
of
agreement
and
buy-in
on
what
we're
prioritizing
and
how
we
do
roll
that
out.
So
in
that
sense,
I
I
definitely
think
we'll
have
that
sense.
B
Now,
when
it
comes
to
like
firm
dates,
I
don't
want
to
speculate
on
how
that
might
may
or
may
not
be
included,
because
we
also
know
that
that
depends
on
different
feasibility
pieces
and
also
funding
which
we
can't
commit
to
having
necessarily
right
one.
G
For
example,
yeah-
and
I
agree
with
you-
focus
area
1.1,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
things
in
there
all
over
the
board
in
terms
of
how
long
they
take
how
much
they
cost
under
what
reason
you
know
what
authority,
whatever,
as
opposed
to
that
one
that
says,
there's
something
about
energy,
renewable
energy.
Oh
right,
there
we've
had
dates
for
that.
We've
had
decreased,
you
know,
decrease
the
use
of
you
know
energy
by
four
percent.
We've
had
that
those
sort
of
goals
now
for
a
long
time.
B
C
I
That
was
basically
my
same
question,
but
I
guess
I
guess
to
clarify
with
bridget
what
are
the
next
steps?
Like
you
said,
the
20
item
priority
and
then
like,
for
example,
the
100
renewable
energy
for
city
owned.
That's
already
a
2030
goal,
so
do
will
cece
see
a
new
version
of
this
say
in
september
or
october,
maybe
with
some
of
the
city
targets
already
also
added
in.
B
So
I
haven't
talked
about
what
the
timeline
that
timeline
piece
with
the
consultant,
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
commit
to
a
date
in
this
moment
in
time.
What
I
can
say
is
that,
after
this
meeting,
we
are
going
to
work
through
the
prioritization
factors
that
the
climate
resilience
working
group
helped
determine
to
fig
to
kind
of
get
to
that
list
of
20
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
like
flesh
that
out
a
little
bit
further.
B
So
after
we
have
that
prioritization
workshop,
we
can
definitely
come
back
to
you
and
say
here's
kind
of
what
rose
to
the
top,
but
that's
where
I'm
at
in
terms
of
committing
to
what
what
what
will
come
out
and
when
at
this
point,
okay,
thank
you.
H
Steve,
I'm
I'm
not
gonna
hector
you
any
further
bridgette,
but
I
I
I
do
want
to
kind
of
in
the
same
vein
as
anne
and
and
nelson's
comments.
I
think,
as
I
read
this
list,
I
kept
jumping
ahead
to
what's
really
important.
What
do
we
need
to
do
when
right?
I
just
couldn't
help
myself.
I
mean
this
is
a
good
kind
of
list,
but
when
you
are
coming
up
with
those
20
priorities
and
then
prioritizing
within
that
20,
the
approximate
20.
H
I
I
think
it
would
be
great
if,
if
at
the
appropriate
time
in
your
judgment,
you
could
give
us,
as
a
group
or
individually
opportunity
to
really
comment
on
what
that
20
list
start
to
look
like
and
which
one
ought
to
be
at
the
top
and
which
one
might
be
further
down
the
line,
and
I
I'm
ready
to
speak
right
now
on
that
issue,
and
I
won't.
B
Okay,
so,
as
you
know,
we
put
out
a
google
survey
that
was
open
to
every
committee
members.
B
If
there
was
anything
you
saw
missing
on
this
list
that
you
wanted
to
have
for
consideration
or
if
there
was
anything
that
you
wanted
to
make
sure
was
included
specifically
in
a
category,
and
these
are
the
responses
that
were
received.
H
Well,
I
will,
I
will
unmask
myself
so
to
speak.
I
I
I
sent
these
in
and
I've
and
in
rereading
them
now
after
having
sent
them
in.
I
guess
my
observe
my
own
observation.
Quick
comment.
Is
that
bullet
one
really
jumps
ahead
of
the
game
to
talking
about
what
some
of
the
priorities
ought
to
be,
rather
than
should
something
else
be
included.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
that
ad
adds
to
the
list
I
did
on
bullet
two.
H
I
did
want
to
make
sure
that
high
efficiency
heat
pumps-
I
don't
know
whether
they
need
to
be
specially
noted,
but
looking
for
opportunities
for
for
new
construction
and
upgrades
to
use
them.
H
I
I
go
to
these
blue
horizons
project
tech
committee,
technical
committee
meetings,
where
they
are
constantly
talking
about
the
virtues
of
of
this,
and
I
know
there
are
costs
also
associated
with
it
and
practicalities,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
point
wasn't
overlooked,
and
then
you
know
the
energy
efficiency
standards
on
the
last
bullet
point
for
all
all
new
city-owned
facilities-
I
guess
bridget,
you
had
indicated
that
that's
already
sort
of
covered
under
lead
lead
standards
is
that
is
that
right.
B
So
some
of
you
may
or
may
not
be
aware:
stacy
actually
in
2007,
went
through
a
process
to
make
a
recommendation
to
council
that
they
pass
a
resolution
that
every
new
construction
building
over
5
000
square
feet
be
leed
certified
gold
unless
the
energy
payback
was
longer
than
10
years
and
then
there's
an
opportunity
to
opt
down
to
lead
silver,
so
those
and
that
encompasses
energy
efficiency
requirements
that
are
above
our
minimum
code.
B
B
B
H
Yeah,
I
I
just
think
also
not
even
not
even
necessarily
peak
demand
if
these
are,
if
these
units
can
reduce
costs
over
the
long
term,
that
that
they
ought
to
be
given
serious
consideration
and-
and
you
know
there,
I
know,
greenhouse
gas
reductions
isn't
per
se
a
goal,
but
reducing
energy
usage
in
general
and,
and
you
know,
making
it
green
using
the
great
electricity
instead
of
get
natural
gas.
I
think
those
are
all
valid
considerations
in
into
in
taking
a
look
at
this.
So.
G
And
bridget,
I'm
sorry
because
I
think
I
was
out
of
town
most,
if
not
all
the
time
that
this
was
up,
and
I
didn't
even
so,
that's
why
I'm
voicing
it
out
of
turn
not
putting
it
in
the
google
doc.
It
just
occurred
to
me
this
morning
when
you
sent
the
materials
that
there
were
some
things
that
stood
out.
B
B
If
not
great,
thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
time.
I
know
that
it
was
a
lot
of
time
over
the
past
month
to
work
on
this
and
it
was
a
lot
to
digest
and
and
give
some
feedback
on.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
even
with
summer
schedules
and
covet
and
all
the
things
that
you
all
made
time
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
give
me
some
of
your
expertise
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
I
do
want
to
take
a
moment.
B
Did
I
see
that
rachel
wood
has
joined
us?
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
introduce
a
relatively
new
member
of
our
staff.
Rachel
wood
has
joined
the
city,
manager's
office
she's,
one
of
our
new
assistant
city
managers,
and
she
is
taken
over
the
the
pleasure
and
the
pain
of
having
sustainability
report
to
them.
So
I
just
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity
to
introduce
you
all
to
rachel.
A
Thank
you
bridget
and
good
afternoon
everybody
and
it's
nothing
but
a
pleasure,
I'm
excited
I.
I
actually
had
the
benefit
of
being
the
first
of
the
two
new
assistant
city
managers
and
I
got
to
play
a
role
in
establishing
my
portfolio,
so
I
asked
to
have
sustainability
so
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
and
appreciate
the
service
you
provide
to
the
community.
B
So
maybe
one
day
we'll
actually
be
in
real
person
together,
but
in
the
meantime,
thanks
for
joining
us
today,
rachel,
it's
nice
to
have
you
here
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
anna
for
our
next
agenda
item.
C
Thanks
bridget
and
welcome
rachel,
we
look
forward
to
meeting
you
in
person
one
day
soon.
Hopefully
all
right
item
3b
on
the
agenda
is
our
working
group
updates.
The
first
group
is
the
climate
resilience
group,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
else
to
add
we
kind
of
covered
most
of
what
we
did
in
our
meeting.
G
Yeah,
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
we
did
discuss
quite
a
bit
some
of
the
verbiage
and
need
to
update
and
change
some
of
the
verbiage
in
the
original
presentation
from
aecom,
and
I
think
we
discussed
also
how
the
prioritization,
let's
see,
how
to
prioritize
not
what
to
prioritize
but
how
to
prioritize
things.
In
other
words,
not
all
the
quick
and
easy
fast
stone
and
all
that.
G
But
what
you
know
we
talked
about
the
value
of
starting
something,
that's
really
long
and
expensive
earlier
and
so
forth,
and
I
think
that
we're
seeing
some
of
those
replies-
and
certainly
bridgette,
is
going
to
convey
some
of
that
further.
So
I
think
we
did
some
some
reasonably
decent
work
in
our
work
group
on
this.
Thank
you.
C
I
We
gave
some
feedback
to
bridget
about
the
climate
action
plan
steps
and
we
have
meant
a
lot
about
waste
reduction,
which
includes
both
food
waste
and
solid
waste,
landfill
and
recycling
and
composting.
So
yeah
I'll
hold
the
full
report
until
the
next
agenda
item.
H
Yeah
boy
well
be
quick.
Let
me
think
what
I
can
remember
we
did.
Our
group
did
meet
with
someone
from
you
were
you
need
to
remind
me
bridget,
who
is
trying
to
actually
get
some
get
businesses
to
take
some
steps
on
the
lights
out
program
that
we
have
recommended
that
there,
for
which
there's
a
resolution
and
the
the
problem
that
that
this
person
wasn't
encountering
after
making
lots
of
efforts
to
meet
with
businesses
tenants
building
owners?
H
Whatever
is
everyone
was
receptive
to
the
concept
and
then
she
would
never
hear
back
and
nothing
would
change.
So
the
challenge
is
how
to
you
know
she
was
looking
for
advice
on
steps
that
might
be
taken
to
actually
get
some
movement
and
make
this
thing
real,
get
some
something
responsive
bridget.
Did
you
have
more
on
that.
B
Just
to
add
a
little
context
that
this
was
a
continuation
of
the
lights
out
initiative
that
stacy
and
the
energy
working
group
worked
with
some
students
at
unca
to
get
a
proclamation
about
bird
migration,
awareness
months,
which
was
passed
and
so
now
allison
who's
on
the
call
actually
manages
a
fellowship
program
and
the
mccullough
fellow
one
of
her
mcaula
fellows
is
working
on
taking
continuing
that
project
and
starting
to
do
some
of
that
education
and
outreach
that
we
strategized
about.
B
I
If
I
may
yes
thanks
for
the
for
mentioning
that
mccullough
fellowship,
so
the
student
has
just
so,
everybody
knows,
has
inventoried
105
buildings
downtown
and
what
we're
asking
is
that
they
turn
off
their
lights
between
11
p.m
and
6
a.m.
Out
of
those
105
buildings,
70
had
their
lights
on
at
night.
So
not
only
does
it
result
in
bird
death
through
window
collision,
but
those
businesses
might
be
saving
money
if
they
turned
off
at
least
part
of
their
lights
at
night.
I
J
Sure
steve,
I
really
appreciate
it.
Sorry
for
being
late.
Work
is
work.
I'll
just
add
you
know
it
was
impressive
to
see
the
amount
of
work
that
went
into
that
study.
You
know
it
was
very
thorough
and
she
had
a
really
good
process,
but
you
know
the
unfortunate
reality
is
that
implementing
any
changes
is
a
you
know
facility
to
facility
solution.
J
So,
although
it
would
be
nice
to
see
you
know
kind
of
a
blanket
approach
to
this,
it's
just
there
isn't
a
really
easy
answer
just
because
of
all
the
difficulties
as
it
relates
to
the
building,
whether
it's
leased
or
owned
and
who
is
responsible
for
it,
who's
who
has
control
over
it.
So
I
thought
it
was
an
interesting
conversation
and
you
know
it's
it.
It
helped
us
look
at
what
the
solutions
could
be
so,
but
thanks
for
your
help,
steve
for
covering
that.
C
Great
thanks
chris
and
thanks
everyone
for
their
updates
from
the
working
groups.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
3c
potential
return
to
in-person
meetings.
So
there's
been
talk
within
the
city
that
we
might
be
able
to
start
meeting
in
person
as
soon
as
september.
We
could
be
eligible
to
go
back
to
in-person
meetings,
so
that
would
include
our
september
board
retreat,
which
is
our
annual
kind
of
like,
like
let's
just
get
away
from
this
normal
stacy
agenda.
C
C
We
would
stay
with
the
every
other
month
meeting
format
per
sec
with
the
working
groups
meeting
in
between,
but
I
wanted
to
open
up
that
discussion
to
gauge
a
sense
of
how
people
feel
about
that,
and
also
you
know,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
a
uni
a
united
front.
If
we
do
return
to
in-person
meetings
about
whether
we're
going
to
wear
masks
or
not,
I
don't
want
people
to
feel
you
know
isolated
if
they,
if
they
want
to
wear
a
mask
and
nobody
else
is
wearing
masks.
C
J
J
J
I
think
it'd
be
a
nice
change
if
we
at
least
did
it
for
the
our
retreat.
I
support
doing
it
outside.
You
know
the
only.
Of
course
the
only
issue
is
planning
for
weather,
which
you
cannot
so
we'd
have
to
figure
that
out,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
at
least
doing
it
at
least
once
if
we
can
just
try
it
and
then
make
a
decision
from
there,
and
I
have
no
issues
with
masks.
I
wear
them
proudly.
H
Yes,
I
do.
This
is
from
the
65
and
older
contingent.
H
I'm
a
mass
square
too.
We
aren't
gonna,
who
knows
what
the
situation
will
be
like
in
september,
and
I
don't
know
whether
decisions
can
be
made.
You
know
on
short
notice
or
like,
but
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
get
together
in
person.
Somehow
I'd
really
like
to
find
out,
if
any
of
you
are
really
real
people
or
not
and
confirm
confirm
that
one
way
or
the
other
I
don't
know
if
they're
meeting
outside
sounds
like
a
great
idea
to
me,
as
you
can
tell
I'm
quite
cautious.
H
I
don't
know
if
there
are
logistics
problems
to
have
that
as
an
actual
meeting,
because
this
thing
needs
to
be.
You
know
available
for
people
to
view,
but
that
would
be
a
technical
issue
to
think
about.
But
anyway
that's
my
view.
I'm
I'm
a
masked
person
or
a
well
very
well
ventilated
indoor
person
with
masks.
B
Just
to
add
a
little
context,
we
talked
about
doing
an
outdoor
meeting
just
in
relation
to
our
retreat,
because
that's
a
meeting
where,
historically,
we
have
moved
it
to
different
locations
and
still
publicly
noticed
and
following
all
of
those
guidelines,
but
to
be
able
to
have
a
different
kind
of
work
space.
B
So
potentially
that
would
only
apply
in
that
situation.
If
we
were
returning
to
person
as
the
as
our
normal
kind
of
day-to-day
operations,
we
would
be
back
in
the
first
floor
conference
room
of
city
hall,
because
we
have
more
infrastructure,
set
up
there
to
potentially
be
able
to
stream
the
meetings.
But
I
don't
have
all
of
the
information
about
how
that
might
exactly
look,
but
that
is
the
location
that
we
would
be
on.
The
regular
and
just
is
also
an
update.
B
Since
I
have
the
floor
at
the
moment,
we
received
word
that
the
governor
is
going
to
allow
the
state
of
emergency
to
expire
on
august
15th,
and
so
that
is
what
allowed
us
to
go
to
the
virtual
meetings
in
the
first
place.
So
we're
looking
to
counsel
to
figure
out
what
our
reality
will
be
after
that
date.
G
B
Go
ahead
so
right
now
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
if
we
can
have
in-person
meetings
and
stream
them
so
not
having
a
hybrid
where,
like
some
committee,
members
could
be
online
and
some.
But
if
everybody
was
in
person,
are
we
able
to
stream
the
meeting,
so
people
can
view
them
live
right
is
something
we're
trying
to
work
out,
because
that
obviously
takes
additional
capacity?
It's
not
something
we
did
previously.
G
F
Yeah,
there's
just
we're
still
learning
so
the
august
15th
ending
of
the
emergency
order
means
that
we're
actually
not
legally
allowed
to
have
virtual
meetings
anymore.
F
So
unless
some
kind
of
new
hybrid
model
is
allowed,
we'll
be
stuck
listening
to
that
and
then,
if
you
recall,
with
the
arpa
funding,
we
set
aside
some
money
to
improve
technology
for
this
purpose
of
this
kind
of
hybrid
idea
or
whatnot,
we
weren't
ready
for
august
15th,
we
weren't
even
close,
so
you
know
it
sounds
like
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
what
will
be
available
to
us
and
what
will
those
rules
be?
Oh,
I
see,
brad
is
on
with
us
and
he
knows
brad
is
the
man.
He'll
know.
K
Thank
you,
council
person,
turner
just
to
chime
in
on
all
of
this.
For
those
of
you
don't
know
me,
I'm
brad
branham,
I'm
the
city
attorney
for
asheville.
This
is
something
that
we
are
currently
looking
at.
We've
been
looking
at
for
a
while,
both
from
a
technological
and
logistical
standpoint,
as
well
as
satisfying
the
legal
requirements
for
public
bodies.
K
What
that
means
is
that
the
governing
boards
of
any
city
county
other
local
government
are
no
longer
automatically
able
to
meet
virtually
at
that
point-
and
please
note
that
I
said
the
governing
boards,
which
would
mean
city
council
for
us
rules
regarding
boards
and
commissions
such
as
yourself,
are
quite
a
bit
more
murky,
and
we
believe,
and
the
north
carolina
school
of
government
has
actually
weighed
in
on
this
as
well,
that
there
may
be
a
legal
allowance
without
any
new
legislation
for
advisory
bodies
such
as
yourself
to
continue
to
meet
virtually.
K
So
we
are
exploring
all
of
that
right
now.
I
think
the
city
council
is
going
to
want
to
weigh
in
on
it
and
give
some
consideration
as
a
body
about
how
they
would
like
to
see
this
progress
forward,
but
we
do
not
believe
it's
going
to
be
as
black
and
white
automatic
for
advisory
boards
as
it
will
be
for
the
city
council,
who
has
already
transitioned
back
to
in-person
meetings.
So
please
stand
by
for
now.
We
will
keep
you
updated
things
may
change
starting
in
september.
K
There
may
be
a
phased
approach,
but
we
suspect
at
this
time
there
is
a
likelihood
that
virtual
meetings
for
all
advisory
bodies
may
continue
to
be
a
reality
as
an
option.
What
is
likely
not
to
be
very
viable
is
a
hybrid
situation
where
we
have
some
members
participating
virtually
and
some
members
participating
remotely
that
just
becomes
a
very
technological
nightmare
situation
that
we're
trying
to
avoid.
K
So
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
a
certain
amount
of
autonomy
and
preference
of
the
boards
themselves
so
likely
what
you
will
hear
next
is
us
coming
to
you
asking
where
your
preferences
lie,
and
then
we
will
get
with
city
council
and
get
back
to
you
as
soon
as
possible
on
that.
So
sorry
to
interrupt.
E
Time,
yeah
I'm
pretty
open-minded
either
way.
I
like
the
outdoor
idea,
but
I'd
be
comfortable
with
whatever
the
group
decides.
I
Hi,
I
also
prefer
the
outdoor
idea.
I
think
in
person,
especially
for
retreat,
is
great,
I
think,
we'll
I
think
it's
nice
and
be
nice
to
see
you
all
in
your
in
your
bodies
and
real
person,
and
also
wondering
what
the
date
of
the
retreat
is
just
so
I
can
get
my
calendar
get
it
on
my
calendar.
C
You
know
we
could
do
the
old-fashioned,
whiteboard
roll
it
out
there
if
we
need
to-
or
just
like
sticky
notes-
I
don't
know
we
haven't
really
thought
that
far
ahead.
But
if
it
is
outdoors,
it's
going
to
be
very
tech,
limited,
obviously
kim.
G
G
L
Yeah,
I
agree.
I
think
an
outdoor
meeting
would
be
great
for
september.
Also.
You
know
we
could
always
just
put
earplugs
in
and
if
we're
just
too
tight.
C
C
You
know
we'll
just
do
our
best,
but
bridget
and
I
will
have
put
our
heads
together
and
figure
out
where
that
september
meeting
will
be,
and
then
after
that
will
be
our
december
meeting,
which
will
we
will
at
that
point
figure
out
whether
that's
going
to
be
virtual
or
do
we
even
meet
in
december
bridget
november?
C
It
will
be
november.
Thank
you.
That's
right!
That's
two
months
after
september
I
know
my
month's
in
order
yeah,
so
we
won't
meet
in
december,
but
we
will
meet
again
in
november
and
we'll
decide
whether
that's
going
to
be
virtual
or
in
person
or
whatever.
That
looks
like
based
on
this
whole
governor's.
Yes,.
D
C
I
Okay,
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
just
to
remind
us
what
happened
so
the
waste
reduction
working
group,
which
again
is
myself
kim
and
maggie
gulick.
We
met
with
the
the
coalition
plastic
free
wnc
that
has
some
members
of
mountain,
true
and
sierra
club
and
others,
some
of
which
are
on
this
call.
I
So
now
we
have
this
revised
ordinance
and
I
will
say
that
our
working
group
did
provide
some
feedback
during
both
of
those
meetings,
some
meetings
and
we
had
a
few
points
of
concern.
I
One
was
the
fee,
so
the
idea
would
be
to
ban
plastic
bags
and
then
there
would
be
a
ten
cent
fee
for
paper
bags.
So
there's
some
concerns
around
that
fee.
We
had-
and
we
also
part
of
the
waste
reduction
committee-
is
just
foster
who's
with
the
city,
solid
waste
and
bridgette,
and
we
raised
a
question
about
enforcement
right
like
how
are
we
actually
going
to
implement
this
some
questions
about
those
logistics
and
then
the
last
question
we
had
was
about
scope.
I
So
at
the
beginning
it
was
straws,
plastic
bags
and
styrofoam
and
single-use
plastic
service
wear.
So
now
you
see
a
somewhat
scaled
back
version,
but
we
still
have
some
concerns
about
the
the
wide
scope
of
this
proposed
ordinance.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
that
update.
I
wanted
to
call
on
bridget
for
any
comments
from
bridget.
B
Thanks
alison,
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody,
including
definitely
the
waste
reduction
working
group
and
all
the
members
of
mountain
true
and
the
wnc
plastic
free
coalition
for
all
of
the
work
that
was
put
into
this
there's
been
a
lot
of
time,
love
and
attention-
that's
been
put
into
it
to
date,
and
I
think
that
we
all
want
to
do
better
on
eliminating
the
use
of
single-use
plastics
and
and
just
sometimes
have
differences
of
the
path
of
how
we're
going
to
get
there.
So
I
did
add
a
memo
to
this.
B
This
item.
That
kind
of
gives
a
little
bit
of
background
about
where
the
request
came
from
and
the
actions
that
we've
taken
to
date
just
for
anybody
who's
new
to
this
conversation
and
then
some
pros
and
cons
and
some
recommendations
more
from
the
the
staff
perspective
and
that
internal
piece-
and
I
also
know
that
you
know
there-
were
some
questions
raised
about
the
10
cent
fee,
which
is
something
that
would
not
be
collected
by
the
city
but
kept
by
the
retailers
and
there's
some
questions
about
our
authority.
B
K
Thank
you,
bridget
and
I
believe,
you've
covered
it
to
a
certain
degree.
We
have
been
working
closely
with
mountain
true
on
the
proposed
ordinance
for
some
time
now,
and
we
have
been
collaborating
as
much
as
possible
with
them
on
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have.
Primarily
many
of
these
have
been
addressed.
K
However,
the
issue
regarding
the
plastic
bag
or
excuse
me,
the
paper
bag
fee
remains,
and
this
is
something
that,
as
many
of
you
know,
we're
in
north
carolina
in
a
state
in
which
we
have
a
system
of
laws
that
allow
local
governments
to
enact
rules
locally
only
when
specifically
authorized
for
the
most
part.
So
this
is
a
big
difference
between
us
and
states
across
the
country
who
you
see
oftentimes
doing
very
innovative
things
at
the
local
level.
K
We
have
quite
a
bit
more
lids
on
our
jars,
so
to
say
in
terms
of
trying
to
be
progressive
and
innovative
about
these
sorts
of
things.
So
we
have
been
exploring
whether
or
not
the
authority
exists
for
a
local
government
to
be
able
to
require
private
businesses
to
charge
this
fee
a
fee
that
is,
as
bridget
said,
not
actually
collected
by
the
city.
So
this
is
not
a
city
fee,
it
would
not
be
a
tax.
K
Our
research
at
this
point
indicates
that
we
would
be
the
first
to
do
such
a
thing
in
this
or
any
other
context.
So
the
question
remains,
and
it
is
one
that
we
are
somewhat
concerned
about,
whether
or
not
there
is
legal
authorization
for
local
governments
to
take
that
action.
We
are
hoping.
The
answer
is
yes,
if
not
we're
hoping
that
we
can
navigate
to
some
sort
of
a
compromised
secondary
option.
K
Now
that
sounds
negative,
but
I
want
to
give
you
the
good
news
as
well,
which
is:
we've
been
working
for
some
time
to
feel
comfortable
with
the
ability
to
blame
to
ban
plastic
single-use
plastics
in
this
manner
altogether,
and
we
feel
for
the
first
time
in
a
while
that
this
is
actually
very
fertile
ground,
legally
speaking
for
local
governments,
we're
just
having
a
problem
with
this
one
particular
aspect,
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
eventually
get
over
that
hump
and
figure
out
how
to
resolve
that
remaining
issue.
K
But
it
does
remain
as
of
today.
So
I'm
giving
you
this
extensive
information,
because
this
is
also
what
I'm
going
to
be
sharing
with
the
city
council.
If
and
when
this
ordinance
comes
before
them,
and
we
feel
at
this
point,
we
cannot
give
a
full
legally
authorized
recommendation
for
the
ordinance
as
it
is
written
because
of
this
one
particular
portion.
But
again
we
continue
to
work
with
mountain,
true
and
their
legal
partners
in
order
to
see
what
can
be
done
to
resolve
that
remaining
issue
I'll
hand
it
back
to
bridgette.
J
J
You
know
that
need
to
buy
plastic
bags
to
offset
the
increase
in
overhead
cost
right,
because
paper
bags
are
more
expensive,
so
you
know,
let's
charge
the
people
who
want
to
use
that
and
not
charge
everybody,
and
but
you
know
if
this
is
really
the
only
you
know,
step
that's
having
an
issue.
J
Why
not
go
to
these
companies
and
say?
Okay,
you
know
this
is
the
ordinance
that
we're
proposing.
Yes,
it's
going
to
have
an
increase
in
your
overhead,
like
everything
else,
that's
happening
right
now
and
to
me
it
I've
never
purchased
50
000
plastic
bags.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
increase
in
cost
is,
but
I
can't
imagine
it
being
too
much
more
and
I
understand
there's
other
aspects
to
plastic
bags
that
have
been
discussed
as
it
relates
to
equity
and
access
to
those
types
of
things.
J
But
to
me
it
almost
seems
like
something
that
it
could
just
be
implemented
and
they
could
just
increase
their
overhead
so
I'll
stop
there.
K
Yeah
chris,
I
think,
to
respond
as
best
as
I'm
able.
I
think
you
are
correct
in
terms
of
the
rationale
behind
the
10
fee.
It
is
intended
to
offset
that
cost
for
the
retailer
merchant
for
the
additional
cost
of
buying
paper
bags,
as
opposed
to
plastic.
I
do
see
that
susanna
knox
is
actually
on
this
call
and
has
raised
her
hand,
and
she
may
be
able
to
provide
some
additional
context
as
well.
K
M
Thanks
brad,
I'm
sorry
I'm
for
some
reason
having
trouble.
Oh
there
I
go.
I
was
having
trouble
turning
my
camera
on
thanks.
So
much
and
chris
to
to
answer
your
question.
The
the
fee
is
and
the
reason
for
having
the
business
retain.
The
fee
is
definitely
to
help
them
offset
any
costs
that
they
may
have
for
having
to
provide
more
paper
bags
in
light
of
the
plastic
bag
ban.
But
it
also
has
two
other
purposes.
M
So
it
is
intended
to
help
the
businesses,
but
it's
also
intended
to
reduce
any
unintended
additional
pressure
on
paper
resources
so
that
that's
an
important
component
of
the
fee
as
well-
and
I
want
to
thank
brad
as
well
for
remaining
open-minded
about
the
fee
provision.
M
The
fee
could
stay
with
the
businesses,
which
I
think
has
that
that
benefit
of
of
defraying
their
costs
or-
and
we
would
we
don't-
prefer
this,
but
the
fee
could
be
made
sort
of
a
voluntary
part
of
the
ordinance
which
the
ordinance
does
have
some
kind
of
voluntary
ideas
for
businesses
and
citizens
to
to
take
advantage
of
to
further
reduce
single-use
plastics.
M
But
we
do
think
that
this
is
the
best
option.
We
believe
there
is
legal
authority
for
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
place
to
elaborate
on
that.
As
brad
mentioned,
we
are
continuing
to
work
together
on
that,
but
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
we're
we're
working
on
it.
H
I
do
let
me
follow
up
on
this.
I
had
I
had
comment
on
on
this
section,
the
section
four
and
also
one
on
section
five,
but
let
me
let
me
speak
to
section
four.
I
will
say
this.
This
per
this
whole
provision
gave
me
pause
to
be
perfectly
honest
in
general.
I
think
I
think
the
draw
I
like
the
draft
a
lot.
I
think
it's
great.
H
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
been
done
and
I
think
the
idea
of
restricting
substantially
restricting
single-use
plastics
is
a
good
idea.
This.
This
provision
gave
me
pause
for
for
three
reasons,
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
on
the
table
and
tell
you
where
I,
at
least
before
this
meeting
ended
up
as
to
what
I
thought
might
be
the
best
way
to
go.
H
One
is
the
concern
that
that
legal
has
raised
that
brad
raised
there
as
the
as
the
memo
from
the
was
it
isn't
from
the
city
attorney
that
bridget
had
shared
with
us
said
there
is
this
legal
uncertainty
about
the
authority
to
to
impose
this
charge.
This
would
also
be
the
first
time,
except
for
that
outer
banks.
Temporary
outer
banks
provision
that
any
city
would
be
doing
this,
so
one
question
I
has
it
had,
or
one
thought
I
had
is
if
this
is,
if
there's
really,
why
ask
for
trouble?
H
The
second
pause
that
I
had-
and
this
is
really
more
fundamental
to
me-
is
this-
is
a.
H
This
is
an
ordinance
to
restrict
single-use
plastics,
and
I
agree
with
most,
if
not
all,
of
the,
whereas
clauses
that
address
which
almost
all
address
plastics,
this
provision
section-
four
doesn't
regulate
plastics,
it
regulates
paper
bags,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
the
right
place.
It
seems
like
this
is
sort
of,
maybe
a
bit
of,
at
least
in
the
context
of
the
way.
H
This
ordinance
is
drafted
a
bit
of
regulatory
overreach
for
me,
and
then
I
just
this
is
sort
of
my
own,
where
I
come
from
on
all
this,
for
what
it's
worth
is
the
third
reason
for
pause
that
I
had
I
I
would
I'm
I'm
happy
to
let
whole
foods
decide
what
it
wants
to
do
its
policy
now,
as
as
I
understand
it,
as
of
yesterday,
when
I
was
there
is
that
you
can
have
a
paper
recycled
paper
bag
with
no
charge.
H
Let
them
make
that
business
decision
is
what
I
would
say.
Why
do
we
need
to
be
reaching
out
at
this
point
on
this,
particularly
on
a
plastics
ordinance?
So
sum
all
that
up,
and
let
me
tell
you
what
my
suggestion
would
be.
I
circle
back
to
susanna's
comment
at
the
very
end,
her
her
least
likely
or
less
likely
option
make
this
voluntary
there's
a
list
in
the
front.
In
section
one
that
says,
we
strongly
encourage
businesses
in
addition
to
the
requirements
of
this.
H
H
A
would
be
making
reusable
bags
available
for
purchase
at
the
point
of
sale,
strongly
encourage
that
that's
on
the
strongly
encouraged
list,
and
that,
indeed,
is
what
the
sentence
in
section
4
says
already
with
respect
to
reusable
bags
and
then
also
make
this:
do
it?
Do
the
strong
encouragement
for
recycled
recycled
bags,
making
recycled
paper
bags
available
for
purchase
of
the
point
of
sale
for
no
less
than
10
cents
or
or
some
such
to
that
effect,
and
maybe
have
a
brief
reference
to
the
exception
in
there?
H
But
I'd
go
the
voluntary,
where
I
think
this
is
sort
of
jumping
ahead
legal
uncertainties
and
and
outside
the
scope
of
what
the
ordinance
otherwise
seems
to
be
wanting
to
do.
I
understand
the
reasons
for
it,
but
this
might
not
be
the
best
way
to
go
on
this.
H
C
Thank
you
steve.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
committee
and
to
the
guests
of
stacy,
including
mountain,
true,
that
you
can
only
direct
like
make
a
comment
if
you
are
directly
addressed
or
directly
asked
a
question.
C
So
if
no
committee
members
have
you
know,
appointed
questions
for
anna
or
suzanna,
I
can't
call
you
so
I'm
gonna
skip
down
to
and
she
had
her
hand
up
as
well.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
pretty
much
agree
with
what
steve
said.
I
think
that
the
biggest
problem
are
the
single-use
plastic
bags.
Let's
get
those
out
of
there.
That's
pretty
simple,
it
sounds
like
we
have
the
authority.
I
don't
know
why.
It's
I
mean
I
go
in
and
occasionally
forget
my
reusable
bags
and
get
a
brown
bag
at
ingles.
They
don't
charge
me
for
it.
It's
just
sitting
there
and
I
don't
know
why
we
would
want
to
complicate
anything.
G
I
know
what
we
were
just
told
that
it
seems
to
dissuade
people
from
not
bringing
their
own
just
it
makes
them
more
likely
to
bring
their
own,
but
honestly,
a
10
cent
fee
would
make
a
difference
to
most
people.
Probably
so
I
think
we
should
just
get
the
complications
out
of
there
and
not
worry
about
a
10
cent
fee
for
a
paper
bag.
I
I
mean
I
don't,
I
don't
necessarily
feel
comfortable
representing
the
whole
committee,
but
I
think
I
would
agree
with
what
ann
just
said,
and
I
think
the
committee
would
agree
that
in
order
to
make
so
what
we
we've
been
saying
all
along
is
that
there,
the
original
ordinance
was
very
confusing.
It
was
confusing
to
understand
it
was
really
complicated.
I
So
this
whole
time
we've
been
saying:
let's
streamline
it,
let's
make
it
as
clear
as
possible,
and
that
is
why
we
suggested
removing
some
of
the
other
items
like
straws
or
service.
Wear
at
this
point
right
that
it
makes
sense
to
in
the
first
year
or
two
just
make
sure
it's
just
it's
a
success
and
that
it
goes
smoothly.
I
So
the
fee
issue
is
a
little
bit
of
a
complication
because
of
who
collects
it,
what
happens
to
it,
etc.
So
having
the
business
collected
was
a
little
simpler
because
then
the
city
doesn't
have
to
manage.
You
know
it's
like
not
new
personnel
to
manage
that,
but
on
the
other
hand
like
what
ann
said
and
steve
also,
is
that
the
the
main
point
is
just
reducing
plastic
use.
It's
we
don't
want
to
shift
it
necessarily
to
paper
use.
I
We
really
want
people
to
bring
their
own
bag,
so
so
I
think
the
subcommittee
supports
clarity
and
and
the
the
clearest
process
possible
and
also
keeping
in
mind
not
creating
additional
work
for
the
city
right.
So
another
issue
was
around
enforcement,
and
so
if
say,
somebody
goes
to
a
store
and
the
paper
bag's
not
available
or
whatever,
and
they
get
mad
or
or
whatever
or
they
find
out.
I
Someone
is
using
plastic
bags,
then
they
would
report
it,
and
that
creates
a
little
bit
more
potential
work
for
the
city,
so
that
was
a
long-winded,
vague
answer.
C
Thank
you
allison
and
I
had
another
follow-up
question
for
brad.
What
happens
if
the
city
passes
the
resolution
with
the
fee
included
and
if
it
gets
blocked
by
the
state,
do
we
get
sued
as
a
city,
or
can
we
go
back
and
revise
the
resolution
without
the
fee?
Can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
that
process.
K
That's
a
great
question
and
I'm
going
to
do
my
very
best
to
not
do
what
attorneys
normally
do
and
overtalk
this.
We
could
probably
discuss
these
sort
of
hypotheticals
for
a
long
time.
I'm
going
to
see
if
I
can
give
you
the
reader's,
digest
version
of
that
and
say
that
our
suggestion
would
be
to
add
language
into
this
particular
ordinance
whereby,
if
any
particular
provision
was
deemed
to
be
beyond
our
authority
or
illegal,
the
remainder
of
the
ordinance
would
survive.
Okay.
K
K
K
To
have
the
state
deal
with
issues
on
a
local
act
basis,
which
means
in
order
for
them
to
say,
pass
something
that
would
restrict
asheville
from
doing
this,
they
would
have
to
do
it
on
a
statewide
basis,
which
is
much
much
more
difficult
for
the
legislature
to
do.
K
They
would
actually
have
to
get
passage
through
the
senate
and
the
house,
maybe
even
bipartisan-
support
for
that,
as
well
as
getting
the
governor
to
approve
that
now
we're
in
an
election
year.
So
these
dynamics
are
subject
to
change,
but
I
the
good
news
is-
and
I
must
point
out-
the
ability
for
the
legislature
to
undo
this
quote-unquote
via
a
purely
local
act
is
actually
restricted,
so
they
would
have
to
deal
with
this
on
a
state-wide
basis.
K
I
think
it's
much
more
likely
that
the
state,
if
they
were
really
angry
about
this,
would
attempt
either
to
do
something
on
a
stay-web
basis
or
just
do
something
completely
unrelated
to
give
some
retribution
to
asheville.
That
sounds
somewhat
petty,
but
that
is
absolutely
what's
happened
in
the
past
from
time
to
time,
so
I
think
we
always
have
to
be
at
least
somewhat
concerned
about
what
might
happen
to
asheville
on
other
fronts.
K
C
Well,
I
mean
from
what
I
can
tell
from
my
standpoint.
Is
you
know
we
are
just
the
advisory
committee.
We
can
leave
the
fee
in
there
if
we
want
to.
Ultimately
it's
going
to
be
the
city
council
who
decides
whether
to
keep
the
fee
in
or
not
so
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
pressure
on
us
as
stacy
to
decide
today
whether
we
want
to
leave
it
in
there
or
not.
It's
not
like
the
make
it
or
break
it
moment
right
here.
C
So
for
those
of
you
who
are,
you
know
wavering
between
whether
or
not
to
leave
it
in
there
or
not.
Just
keep
that
in
mind
steve.
You
had
a
question
or
comment.
H
N
Thank
you
very
much
for
asking
that
I'll
take
a
stab
at
it.
We
have
studied
probably
over
a
hundred
ordinances
across
the
country
that
are
varying
degrees
of
this
kind
of
setup
and
believe
that
this
is
the
best
practice
to
keep
people
or
to
get
people
to
bring
their
own
reusable
bags
to
the
store
with
them.
Paper
bags
obviously
have
their
own
environmental
impact,
and
it's
not
small,
and
so
we
don't
want
a
run
on
paper
bags.
N
They
feel
less
bad
about
it
because
it
is
paper
and
it
is
recyclable
and
it
doesn't
live
in
the
environment
for
forever,
which
is
understandable.
It's
the
less
bad
option,
but
the
best
option
is
to
get
rid
of
or
to
get
people
to
bring
their
own
bags
with
them,
and
that's
why
we
want
to
keep
that
in
the
ordinance.
N
We
understand
the
concerns
about
the
legality
of
it
and
suzanne
has
been
doing
a
ton
of
research
behind
that
there
are
several.
There
are
several
ordinances
across
the
country
that
are
framed
in
this
way,
where
there's
a
ban
on
plastic
with
the
fee
on
paper
in
dillon's
rule
states.
So
we've
seen
that
happen.
G
Yeah,
I
was
just
commenting
or
wondering
about
the
comment
you
just
made
a
minute
ago
and
about
not
needing
to
make
a
decision.
I
feel
like.
G
I'm
not
sure,
there's
a
reason
to
drag
this
out.
I
mean
there
is
a
need
to
come
to
some
decision
about
it.
I
would
say,
but
if,
if
people
on
stacy
don't
think
we
should
make
a
decision,
I
guess
we
shouldn't,
I
feel
like
we
should
make
a
decision
whether
to
leave
the
fee
in
there
or
not
and
then
to
finally
go
ahead
and
pass
the
resolution
or
not.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
point
of
putting
it
off
now
until
september
would
be.
G
C
G
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
give
our
best
advice
to
council.
I
mean
that's
what
they
ask
us
for
so
thinking
all
these
nuances
over
you
know.
G
What
do
we
think
is
the
best
route
for
the
city
to
take.
Now.
I
would
just
I'm
really
excited
about
the
fact
that
single-use
plastic
bags
could
be
banned.
That's
like
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck
and
that's
straightforward
and
simple.
I
feel
like
complicating.
It
might
not
be
the
best
idea,
but
I
guess
I'll
hear
everybody
else's
thoughts.
C
I
think
it
could
be
argued
that
paper
is
just
as
bad.
I
mean
it's,
I
I
don't
know
all
the
details.
I
know
anna
and
suzanne
probably
know
like
the
the
nitty-gritty
of
like
the
carbon.
It
takes
to
produce
paper
bags,
and
you
know
all
of
that,
but
I
think,
like
anna
said,
reusable
bags
is
definitely
the
way
to
go
and
omitting
the
fee
from
this
ordinance.
This
resolution.
In
my
opinion,
it
would
be
a
huge
oversight.
J
Yeah,
I
guess
one
last
comment,
so
you
know
I
in
my
professional
role.
I
deal
a
lot
with
single-use
plastics
in
the
private
sector
and
you
know
I
appreciate
that
we
might
have
an
opportunity,
as
you
know,
the
city
of
asheville,
to
do
something
like
this,
which
would
in
theory,
lead
to
behavior
change
right
because
that's
more
or
less
as
we
were
discussing
a
fee
to
do
something
is
more
or
less
an
opportunity
to
do
something
else
right.
J
So,
but
if
you
take
that
you
know
it's
my
opinion
that
the
majority
of
these
organizations
that
we'd
be
asking
of
is
the
within
the
private
sector,
and
you
know,
of
course,
if
we're
just
going
to
name
off
the
top
five
large.
You
know
private
sector
organizations
that
we'd
be
targeting
this
is
this
is
not.
This
is
a
big
issue.
J
There's
a
lot
of
organizations
that
are
getting
pressure
to
eliminate
single-use
plastics
in
the
workplace,
and
you
know
the
hope
would
be
is
that
you
know
some
of
these
organizations
would
start
to
adopt
it
and
implement
these
best
practices
to
get
the
general
population
to
reduce
single-use
plastic
use.
So
that's
just
adding
to
the
fodder
here
about.
H
Yeah,
I
I
don't
want
to
belabor
the
point,
but
I
really
do
think
that
the
way
it's
drafted
with
all
the
warehouse
clauses
which
provide
the
foundation
for
the
action
that
plastic
bag
regulation
excuse
me
paper.
Bag
regulation
is
just
outside
the
scope
of
what
this
ordinance
is
and
that
given
the
legal
uncertainties
and
and
given
the
fact
that
I
I
just
don't,
feel
comfortable
telling
a
a
business
like
whole
foods
that
they
have
to
it
that
they
can't
continue
to
supply
paper
bags
unless
they
start
charging
for
them.
H
I
understand
that
that
will
help
induce
for
some
bringing
using
reusable
bags.
H
Maybe
that's
the
case,
but
I
don't
think
this
is
the
moment
in
time
and
the
way
this
is
drafted
to
for
force
that
issue,
so
that's
sort
of
where
I
came
out
on
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
procedurally
and
if
majority
disagree,
that's
fine,
but
if
it's
possible
for
as
a
matter
of
procedure,
to
endorse
this
with
the
recommendation
to
move
the
substance
of
this
section
to
the
strong
strongly
encouraged
list
in
section
one
I
I'd
like
to.
C
Sure
so,
logistically
speaking,
we
would
you
know
next,
someone
would
have
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
resolution
as
written
and
then
we
would
discuss
the
resolution
and
we
could
amend
it
during
that
discussion
and
then
we
would
all
vote
on.
I
Yeah,
maybe
I
could
clarify
process
a
little
bit
also,
so
I
I
would
encourage
us
to
have
a
full
discussion
of
this,
and
then
we
could
say
we
someone
could
move
like
me
or
someone
else
could
say.
I'm
hypothetically
that
I
move
for
stacy
to
support
this
ordinance,
as
drafted
with
the
res,
with
the
amendment
as
proposed
by
steve,
to
remove
the
10
cent
fee
and
then,
and
then
we
could
say.
Oh
cc
supports
the
ordinance
with
these
amendments,
and
that
goes
to
city
council.
Is
that.
D
I
C
B
H
Hi,
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
I
have
a
quick
comment
on
section
5
when
we're
through
with
this.
I
I
didn't
want
to
to
miss
that.
So
you
tell
me
the
appropriate
time
for
that.
C
Go
ahead
and
do
that
and
then
we'll
go
to
sage.
Okay,.
H
H
Yeah,
I
just
what
I
just
noticed
that
there's
a
if
you
look
at
section
3b,
there's
an
exception
that
allows
for
businesses
to
deplete
their
backstock
of
plastics,
that
they
bought
up
to
30
days
prior
to
the
ordinance
becoming
effective,
and
there
was
no
such
comparable
parallel
provision
for
styrofoam
polystyrene,
and
I
thought
I
didn't
understand
why,
and
I
thought
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
add
a
provision
that
allows
restaurants
and
others
that
use
polystyrene
to
to
get
rid
of
their
back
inventory
for
some
period
of
time,
similar
to
similar
to
3b.
H
F
Hey
y'all,
this
is
sage
chiming
in
this
is
a
great
discussion.
Thank
you.
We
have
brad
listening.
We
have
rachel
wood
listening,
I'm
imagining
that
your
recommendation
could
be
as
simple
as
we
overall
recommend
all
of
these
items,
our
committee.
These
are
the
items
we
discussed,
whether
or
not
if
the
fee
is
the
big
deal,
maybe
make
it
recommend
it,
but
you
don't
need
to
go
piecemeal
and
do
the
legal
language.
F
Well,
I
think
brad
can
do
that
for
us
just
so
you
can
move
through
like
if
you
have
ultimately
a
couple
points
to
make
just
making
bullet
points
of
a
recommendation
for
us
and
then
know
that
I
will
also
speak
with
council
women
and
share
the
input
from
this.
You
know
extensive
conversation
as
well
on
your
behalf.
F
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
know
some
of
these
items-
it's
a
lot
for
we
have
a
lot
of
items
in
movement,
and
so
I
believe
that
councilwoman
will
come
and
watch
this
video
and
hear
your
thoughts
that
this
conversation
will
help
them
and
so
yeah
I
mean
just
giving
some
recommendations.
We've
read
the
policy
we
feel
like
the
fee
may
be
an
issue
if
it
becomes
a
legal
hurdle,
maybe
put
it
under
recommended,
but
not
required
or
something
you
know.
F
G
K
So
the
good
news,
if
you
choose
to
see
it
this
way,
is
that
you've
got
fairly
wide
latitude.
You
are
an
advisory
body,
which
means
you
have
the
ability
to
provide
a
recommendation
with
a
great
deal
of
specificity
or
a
much
lower
degree
of
specificity
as
you
choose
appropriate.
I
think
that
council
would
prefer
that
you
give
them
as
much
as
possible
so
that
they
can
truly
ascertain
your
position
on
this
matter.
K
That
could
range
from
someone
saying
I
I
just
make
a
motion
to
support
this,
as
is
all
the
way
to
someone
saying,
I
would
make
a
motion
to
support
the
proposed
ordinance
with
the
following
changes
and
list
those
out
or
you
know,
as
sage
mentioned,
you
can
be
somewhat
vague
about
this,
and
just
say
I
just
don't
agree
with
this
provision
or
or
that
I
would
like
to
see
the
inclusion
of
the
time
frame.
That's
dealing
with
plastic
bags
also
applied
styrofoam,
and
we
can
work
those
details
out.
K
I
This
is
all
very
interesting.
I
think
I
yeah.
I
know
that
we
have
to
send
this
to
a
vote
and
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
we
came
to
some
kind
of
agreement
and
and
stacy
had
a
a
pretty
strong
opinion,
because
I
feel
like
it's
our
job
as
a
sustainability
advisory
council
to
give
advice
to
city
council,
since
it's
sustainability-
and
this
is
our
domain-
I'm
wondering
kind
of
looking
at
brad,
but
others
what
if
we
said,
optional
10
cent
fee,
because
I
see
what
steve
barron
is
saying
about.
I
If
all
of
a
sudden
we
say
paper
bags
are
10
cents
and
everybody
who
has
paper
bags
therefore
has
to
charge
10
cents
that
really
changes
a
landscape.
But
if
we
said
they
that
businesses
could
opt
to
charge
10
cents
if
they
want
to
cover
their
bag
costs
for
a
paper
bag,
then
that
somehow
feels
like
there's
a
little
wiggle
room.
I
don't
know
brad
legally.
K
H
And
if
I
that
was,
I
I
what
I
took
to
be,
what
I
intended
to
be
the
kind
of
the
sum
and
substance
of
of
move,
making
it
optional
by
moving
it
to
the
strongly
encouragement
section
and
listing
it
there,
along
with
strongly
encouraging
reusable
bags.
C
E
Yeah
I've
been
listening
very
intently
and
I
think
it's
been
very
good
and
enlightening
discussion.
I
agree
with
the
different
perspectives,
including
steve's,
but
I
do
think
that
the
task
force
and
anna
they
did
quite
a
bit
of
research
on
this.
You
know
they've
studied
many
different
ordinances.
I
think
they
gave
a
compelling
presentation
last
time
and
had
a
lot
of
reasons
for
what's
included.
E
I
do
like
anna's
idea
of
you
know,
including
the
fee
and
maybe
saying
it's
optional,
rather
than
taking
it
out
entirely
and
then
letting
legal
and
city
council
make
sort
of
the
final
decisions.
That's
where
I
would
kind
of
lean.
E
Well,
I
tend
to
to
go
more
with
what
the
the
task
force
or
whatever
they're,
calling
themselves
mountain.
True,
what
what
they're
recommending
I
I
feel
like
they
did
a
lot
more
research
over
many
months
and
we've
kind
of
just
gotten
more
of
a
snapshot,
so
I
don't
want
to
just
necessarily
just
throw
out
what
they've
they've
done.
E
E
Just
the
importance
of
keeping
the
fee
in
there
I
know
you've
you've
said
that
you
know
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
kind
of
undermine
the
the
overall
approach,
because
you've
studied
many
different
ordinances
for
many
cities.
N
Yeah,
I
see
what
you
mean.
I
I
think
that
model
is
the
best
we
can
do
at
at
taking
stabs
at
climate
change
and
and
that's
what
we
should
go
for.
So
that's
the
best
model
and
places
that
have
not
implemented
the
fee
have
seen
reductions
of
plastic
in
the
environment,
but
they're
seeing
dramatic
increases
in
paperbacks.
So
that's
why
we
want
to.
We
want
to
curb
paper
bags
by
putting
a
fee
on
them,
so
I
think
it's.
E
E
C
L
Yes
and
I'm
I'm
just
going
to
bring
up
the
the
question
of
equity
and
lower
income
communities,
you
know,
is
there
going
to
be
a
provision
there
that
we
can
waive
that
for
certain
individuals
or
and-
and
I
do
like
the
option
of
charging
10
10
cents,
because
it
does
give
the
business
owner
some
flexibility?
N
I
can
answer
that
we
have
reached
out
to
over
21
different
organizations
that
deal
an
equity
realm
and
got
feedback
from
them
on
how
this
this
version
of
an
ordinance
would
impact
the
people
that
they
work
with
and
they've
been
overwhelmingly
supportive
and
positive
of
it,
and
they
are
helping
us
strategize
how
we
educate
folks
in
their
communities
about
the
ordinance
and
how
it'll
affect
them
in
their
day-to-day
lives,
as
well
as
doing
a
reusable
bag
distribution
for
those
communities,
so
that
they
don't
have
to
get
hit
with
that
10
cent
fee.
N
That
being
said,
within
the
ordinance,
we
have
included
an
exemption
on
the
fee
for
anybody
using
an
ebt
card
so
that
anybody
on
food
stamps,
snap
or
wic
programs
will
not
get
charged
that
particular
fee
so
and
that's
pretty
s
pretty
standard
kind
of
across
the
board
across
the
country.
You
see
that
language
in
a
lot
of
different
a
lot
of
these
ordinances,
no
matter
what
their
framework
is-
and
I
want
to
say,
there's
been
a
lot
of
studies.
N
Social
science
studies
specifically
that
show
implementing
a
fee
on
these
things
really
does
cause
behavior
change
it.
It
really
does
get
people
to
bring
their
own
bags
with
them
when
they
come
to
the
store
or
not
even
use
bag.
Just
put
stuff
back
in
their
cart
and
drive
the
cart
to
their
car,
so
that
they
don't
have
to
feel
that
10
cent
feed
burden.
C
Okay,
that's
all
right!
I
think
I
think
that
concludes
our
discussion.
C
H
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
support
and
recommend
adoption
of
the
draft
ordinance
with
two
changes.
H
H
The
other
change
would
be
to
add
a
provision
similar
to
section
3b
that
would
allow
for
businesses
that
use
covered
businesses
that
use
polystyrene
to
deplete
their
their
backstock
before
completely
converting
away
from
that.
C
K
Help
you
all
out
a
little
bit
on
this
there's
emotion
on
the
floor
and
before
we
want
to
go
now,
you
anyone
can
offer
a
friendly
amendment
at
this
point,
which
steve
would
have
the
ability
to
accept
or
not,
which
would
automatically
change
his
motion.
I
I
would
like
to
make
a
friendly
amendment
that,
instead
of
moving
what
steve's
talking
about
to
the
proposed
background
area,
I
would
I
would
like
to
keep
the
second
amendment.
The
thing
second
thing
he
said
about
this
polystyrene:
that's
fine
depleting
stocks,
but
make
the
10
cent
fee
optional,
put
to
put
the
word
optional
in
front
of
the
10
cent
fee
and
keep
it
where
it
is
in
the
language.
H
Yeah
well,
and
it
doesn't
speak,
I'm
not.
I
don't
want
to
speak,
especially
to
that
particular
language
using
the
word
optional.
This
is
just
the
point
of
the
allison.
If
I
understand
you
correctly,
your
amendment
would
be
to
not
to
not
to
move
the
10
cent
c
and
the
paper
bag
provision
to
the
to
the
list
of
strongly
recommended
in
section
1,
but
just
to
make
clear
that
it's
optional,
the
the
fee
is
optional.
H
Whether
and
as
I
I
read,
the
provision
right
now,
the
whether
to
provide
paper
bags
recycled
paper
bags
in
first
place
is
optional
and
you
would
make
further
optional
whether
to
make
the
charge
and
leave
it
where
it
is,
and
I
will
accept
that
as
a
friendly
amendment.
L
H
K
C
C
C
Now
the
waste
reduction
group
will
continue
with
this
correspondence.
To
make
this
recommendation
to
council
is
that
right,
allison.
B
In
yeah
and
we'll
coordinate
with
the
waste
reduction
working
group-
and
you
ought
to
make
sure
that
it's
reflective
of
your
emotion.
L
I
I
In
a
somewhat
related
topic,
plastic
topic,
the
waste
reduction
working
group
had
already
been
working
for
two
years
on
the
topic
of
plastic
leaf
bags
right.
So
when
people
put
their
leaves
out,
they
have
it
they
you
could
use
a
paper
bag
or
a
plastic
bag,
and
the
plastic
is
really
problematic.
I
So
we
have
been
trying
to
discourage
that
use
and
there
is
an
existing
ordinance
that
does
mention
plastic
leaf
bags,
so
you've
been
provided
with
a
a
proposed
change
to
that
existing
ordinance,
so
we're
handling
them
separately,
but
they,
but
it's
under
that
plastic
production
theme,
so
that
our
working
group
supports
this
amendment
to
the
existing
ordinance.
So
we
want
to
get
remove
any
language
about
plastic
leaf
bags
and
we
want
to
mandate
biodegradable
or
paper
which
are
paper
leaf
bags.
I
H
Yes,
I
I
I
looked
at
the
the
amendment
and
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
see
where
the
amendments
themselves
were.
It
was
a
pretty
long
ordinance.
K
I
I
can
describe
so
you're
right,
it
was
it's
not
it's
not
huge.
It's
just
basically
any
place
where
the
material
of
the
bag
is
mentioned.
It's
been
all
mentioned
of
the
word.
Plastic
has
been
removed
and
some
of
those
have
just
been
changed
to
biodegradable
bag.
Okay,
so
it's
fairly
subtle,
but
it
would
be
so.
This
is
something
that
would
really
support
the
efforts
of
the
solid
waste
workers
for
the
city,
and
it
would
just
just
make
that
shift.
J
Do
I
understand
allison
that
that
would
include
compostable
plastic
bags.
I
J
L
I
I
I
do
not
recall
I'm
jumping
into
that
ordinance
right
now
to
see,
but
I'm.
B
I
would
think
it
would
fall
on
that
category,
but
I
would
have
to
get
a
definitive
answer
from
jess
foster
when
she's
back
in
the
office.
I
C
B
I
think
you're
crossing
the
stream,
so
previously
you
you're
allowed
to
you-
could
use
a
reusable
container
or
you
could
use
plastic
bags
and
we
had
to
work
to
allow
the
use
of
the
paper
bags
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
provider
that
could
take
them
and
they
could
be
composted
and
they
could
just
be
thrown
into
the
brush
collection
truck
without
any
additional
processing.
B
And
so
that
was
worked
out.
And
then,
since
that
time,
there's
been
a
collaborative
effort
with
the
waste
reduction
working
group
and
the
sanitation
division
to
do
an
outreach
and
education
campaign.
I
think
asheville
greenworks
actually
was
involved
in
this
as
well,
and
so
when
the
request
for
a
plastic
reduction
policy
came
up,
this
was
obviously
top
of
mind
because
it
was
kind
of
in
in
the
work
plan
and
being
worked
on
presently.
J
I
To
yes,
absolutely
okay,
I
move
that
we
adopt
the
proposed
language
amended
language
for
the
existing
ordinance
to
ban
plastic
bags
for
leaf
collection.