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A
All
right
good
afternoon,
everyone
I
am
chair
anna
priest
and
I
want
to
welcome
you
to
today-
is
october
20th,
our
october
con
stacey
committee
meeting.
This
is
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
for
energy
and
environment
and
I'm
going
to
ask
all
of
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
today
to
I'll,
introduce
you,
and
you
can
say
hello
or
roll
call
that
you're
here
and
here
we
go.
A
Ann
keller,
here
kim
austin,
you
said,
is
on
vacation
maggie
gulick.
B
A
Steve
barron,
I'm
here
allison
armsby,
here
great
and
I'm
here
as
well.
We
also
have
who
else
are
do
we
have?
We
have
sage
with
us
this
week
trying
to
see
if
we
I
can
see
everyone,
I
don't
believe
our
city
liaison
is
has
joined
us
quite
yet
she
might
join
us
later
great.
Well,
let's
see
who
else
we've
got.
A
A
All
right
great:
well,
we
will
take
a
vote
to
approve
and
again
I'll
call
your
name
and
you
can
say
yay
or
nay
and
we'll
go
down
just
I'll
approve.
I
say:
yay
myself
and
keller
yay
maggie
yay
tim.
C
A
A
second
list
on
our
agenda.
Second
item
on
our
agenda
is
public
comment,
which
was
just
circulated
by
amber.
Thank
you
for
circulating
that
we're
not
allowed
to
address
the
public
comment
during
this
meeting.
A
So
item
number
three
on
our
agenda
is
our
updates
3a
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
on
the
open
space
task
force
with
vadilla
sattvica.
I
hope
I
said
that
correctly.
You
can
correct
me
if
you
want
planning
an
urban
design
department
and
I
will
let
vadilla
take
it
away
great.
E
E
Great
we've
got
great
comments
just
to
give
you
a
broad
overview.
This
is
looking
at
revising
the
city
code
for
open
space
requirements,
which
has
nothing
to
do
with
parks
per
se,
has
nothing
to
do
with
large
tracts
of
land
for
improving
the
public
benefit
benefit.
This
is
really
about
primarily
lots:
individual
lots
that
have
kind
of
bigger
impacts
like
apartment
buildings
or
subdivisions
and
the
open
space
that
they
should
require.
E
This
is
just
the
purpose
you
can
read
it
at
your
leisure.
I
just
highlighted
the
the
language
at
the
end
to
highlight
that
we're
really
trying
to
do
a
lot
with
open
space
standards
and
I'm
showing
the
scale,
because
ultimately,
this
all
comes
down
to
balancing
sort
of
human.
What
I'm
calling
urban
needs
social
needs
for
for
us.
In
some
cases
they
don't
look
very
natural.
E
There
may
be
a
hardscape
plazas
and
is
trying
to
balance
the
green
and
storm
water
and
wildlife,
and
that's
a
tricky
thing
to
do,
and
so
just
to
know
that
we're
looking
at
both
of
those
elements
and
there's
a
link
to
the
draft
code.
Anybody
who
has
this
can
can
go
there
and
take
a
look
next
slide.
E
I
I
want
to
highlight
that
we've
been
working
over
the
last
nine
months
with
representatives
from
these
boards
and
commissions,
nine
of
eight
of
them
and
a
very
diverse
group,
and
our
process
has
been
a
consensus
decision
making
process
which,
for
the
most
part,
I
think
has
worked
out
pretty
well,
you
guys
agree
alison
maggie.
E
You
know
it's
it's
it's!
It's
been
pretty
good,
it's
forced
us!
I
think
to
come
to
a
better
decision
when
we've
had
struggles
than
had,
we
not
had
that.
Had
we
not
had
that
we
would
have
kind
of
steamrolled
and
said
well
sorry
you're
part
of
the
minority,
let's
go
forward
and
it
really
forced
us
to
to
work
through
issues
much
much
more
intensely.
It
took
more
time,
but
I
think
we
had
a
better
result
next
slide
so
really
quickly.
The
key
changes
that
we'll
talk
through.
E
We
are
better
aligned
now
with
infill
development,
so
that
we
can
get
the
housing
that
we
need
here
more
easily.
We
have
a
better
focus
on
the
quality
of
open
space,
especially,
I
think
this
is
important
for
developments
where
you
have
a
lot
of
people
living
together.
E
E
That's
going
to
drastically
change
how
large
projects
move
forward
as
a
separate
standard
or
not
a
separate
standard
but
separate
something
that
we're
working
on
that
has
come
about
as
a
result
of
the
open
space
task
force,
we've
created
a
separate
subcommittee
to
look
at
tree
planning
and
landscaping
standards
and
that's
going
to
have
very
broad
impacts,
primarily
by
setting
new
minimum
uncompacted
soil
volume
standards
and
a
third-party
review
process,
so
that
we
actually
know
that
we
get
our
our
landscapes
planted.
The
way
that
they
were
designed
next
slide.
E
Okay,
so,
first
of
all
to
talk
through
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
doing,
with
what
the
changes
mean
for
residential.
I
want
to
highlight
how
different
cities
compare
and
you
can
see.
Asheville
current
lines
are
on
the
high
end
of
the
spectrum
and
the
difference
between
sorry,
that's
my
home
phone
one.
Second,
my
wife's,
not
here,
okay,
we'll
let
it
ring
who
has
a
home
phone
these
days
right.
E
So
the
difference
between
current
and
proposed
here
is
that
current
is
is
kind
of
a
minimum
standard.
So
some
projects
that
are
multi-family
are
actually
required
to
provide
an
outlandish
amount
of
open
space
such
that
it's
it's
not
feasible,
and
that's
because
the
code
is
broken.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
update
under
the
proposed
the
five
to
fifty.
Basically,
it's
not
a
requirement
it.
It's
incentivizing
projects
to
do
better
design,
so
you
can
get
to
lower
amounts.
If
you
do
storm
water.
D
E
Yeah
I
mean
it's
five
to
fifty
percent
of
a
parcel
is
required
to
be
provided
to
be
designated
as
open
space.
So
I'll
talk
it
through
in
specific
examples
in
the
next
two
slot
three
slides.
So
you
can
see
what
it
means
thanks
because
you're
right
here,
it's
not
very
helpful.
So
this
is
a
a
typical
infill
example
today,
where
what
you
see
is
two
blue
buildings.
E
The
one
on
the
top
is
an
existing
structure
and
the
one
below
a
property
owner
and
developer
is
wanting
to
add
that
building
and
to
today's
regulations
would
require
them
to
to
make
34
of
the
law.
So
you
know
one
third
of
the
lot
you're.
You
know
a
third
of
the
lot
open
space,
the
whole
back
part
where
you
see
the
arrows,
that's
parking
requirements
so
effectively.
You
know
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
this
and
then-
and
I
think
this
highlights
how
it's
really
broken-
this
isn't
to
say.
E
Of
course,
we
want
to
incentivize
more
small
building
footprints,
but
this
is
just
too
much
so
what
we're
proposing
next
slide
is
between
5
and
10
of
open
space.
You
can
do
10
open
space,
but
if
you
meet
a
higher
standard,
which
means
you
have
a
flatter
site
so
that
it's
more
accessible
to
everybody,
seating
more
of
the
open
space
is
in
one
area,
then
you
can
get
away
with
less,
and
so
that's
the
trade-off
next
slide.
E
Here's
another
example,
but
in
a
subdivision,
so
under
today's
standard
you
have
to
provide
20
of
all
of
your
subdivision
land
as
open
space.
But
you
can
you
can
kind
of
squirrel
it
in
behind
parcels
so
that
you
know
it's
it's
not
easy
to
get
to.
It
can
be
on
quite
steep
slant,
quite
steep
land,
so
that
maybe
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
access
it.
If
you're
not
you
know,
really
healthy
and
and
and
fit
so.
E
What
we're
proposing
next
slide
is
that
that
amount
is
reduced
from
from
15
to
down
to
five
percent.
If
you
make
a
high
quality
open
space,
that
does
mean
that
you're
going
to
have
to
have
some
of
that
open
space
on
the
street,
but
because
of
our
reductions
in
open
space
and
a
clarification
that
we're
not
including
the
right-of-way.
E
Next
slide,
so
that's
looking
at
some
of
the
key
changes
for
infill
next
is
how
we're
focusing
on
better
quality,
open
spaces
next
slide,
and-
and
this
is
what
it
comes
down
to-
you-
can
reduce
your
open
space
requirement
by
five
percent.
If
you
meet
these
four
standards,
it
has
to
be
primarily
mostly
or
mostly
contiguous.
E
It
has
to
have
a
regular
shape.
It
has
to
be
flatter.
Seventy-Five
percent
of
it
has
to
be
less
than
five
percent
slope
and
you
have
to
provide
seating.
That's
a
ratio
in
to
the
size
of
of
the
space,
and
what
we
will
see
is
next
slide.
I
just
have
some
images
of
the
idea
that
the
types
of
places
that
we're
looking
at
they're
going
to
be
relatively
flatter.
E
They
still
may
have
lots
of
green
and
trees,
but
they
will
be
more
social
spaces
and
that's
something
that
we
basically
don't
get
today,
because
the
way
the
code
is
written,
developers
can
relegate
open
space
to
marginal
land,
and
so
it's
not
serving
it's
not
serving
a
social
purpose
next
slide
and
then
the
last
key
change.
Is
this
environmental
benefit?
E
E
E
So
the
option
is
you
you,
you
can
choose
to
volunteer
voluntarily,
include
stormwater
treatment
for
your
site,
and
if
you
do
that,
you
can
reduce
your
amount
of
open
space
to
what
you
normally
would
have
been
able
to
do
and
like
in
the
in
the
kmart
example.
E
It
probably
would
have
been
mixed
use
you
so
you'd
go
from
from
50
to
10,
or
it
would
be
non-residential,
which
is
commercial
same
thing,
so
we
will
likely
see
all
projects
over
an
acre
have
to
incorporate
either
storm
tech
systems,
which
are
subterranean
systems
that
capture
storm
water
and
slowly
release
it
or
hopefully,
they're
going
to
be
more
creative
and
do
these
above
above
ground
types
of
storm
water
treatments
that
we
see
like
at
new
belgium,
where
you
can,
you
know,
see
ponds
and
things
like
that,
but
you
don't
have
to
do
that,
because
our
storm
water
standards
don't
require
any
particular
technique.
F
E
Our
understanding
and
legal
has
given
us
support
with
this,
because
it's
a
volunteer
action
they're
not
required
to
to
do
this,
so
the
city
is
not
forcing
anybody
to
be
more
restrictive
than
what
the
state
allows
or
provides
for
municipalities,
but
if
they
don't
want
half
their
parcel
to
be
grass
they're
going
to
do
that.
E
I
think
I
only
have
two
more
slides
or
three
more
slides,
so
we'll
see
here.
So
in
summary,
the
key
changes
will
support
our
need
for
housing.
E
They'll
make
better
quality
spaces
that
will
support
our
our
sociability
and
our
human
needs
and
we'll
address
local
issues
related
to
climate
and
and
nature.
That's
how
I'm
couching
it
storm
water
so
to
put
this
in
a
in
a
flow
chart
next
slide,
please
what
you
see
is
on
the
far
left.
You've
got
your
open
space
requirements.
E
I
know
this
is
kind
of
hard
to
read
because
it's
small,
but
then
you
have
you're
breaking
down
into
either
you're
you're
a
large
parcel
on
the
top
one
acre
or
larger
or
you're
down
below
one
acre
or
less.
If
you're,
one
acre
or
less,
you
know
your
your
standards
are
lower.
If
you're
one
acre
or
more,
you
can
see
that
most
of
your
development
is
50.
50
of
the
parcel
is
open
space,
but
you
can
see
that
little
yellow
box
there
between
the
two.
E
If
you
provide
storm
water
or
actually
affordable
housing,
what
we're
saying
is
affordable
housing
is
exempt
from
from
this.
So
you
do
one
of
the
two.
Then
your
open
space
requirements
are
lower
and
then,
if
you
additionally
volunteer
to
have
these
improved
designs,
you
can
reduce
your
open
space
requirement.
A
further
five
percent.
E
And
I'll
just
highlight
that
these
percentages
are
basically
in
line
with
what
we
have
today
on
the
lower
end.
So
today
you
can,
if
you're
a
commercial,
you
can
do
five
percent
open
space
and
many
other
cities
do
that.
So
I
don't
think
we're
giving
away
the
the
farm
or
whatever
the
analogy
is,
but
I
I
think
we
will
be
getting
better
quality,
open
space
and
some
environmental
benefits
for
it
last
slide.
E
We're
going
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
in
a
couple
weeks
and
then
the
council
in
december.
We
have
links
to
the
draft
code
and
to
the
user
guide,
which
is
basically
what
I
showed
you
with
the
flowchart
and
with
that
I'll
open
up
to
any.
B
Questions
but
dylan
do
you
think
you
can
tell
everybody
why
the
task
force
was
created.
E
Sure
we
found
that
there
was
not
a
lot
of
consensus
and
we
were
slated
to
go
to
council.
I
was
we
were
at
the
council
meeting.
We
were
on
the
council
agenda
and
a
couple
some
people-
I
don't
know
how
many
were-
were
emailing
with
council
and
council
kind
of
freaked
out
and
and
was
concerned
that
there
wasn't
more
buy-in.
E
So
we
took
it
off
the
agenda
and
and
we
talked
and
we
we
thought
that
a
good
approach
would
be
a
task
force
with
everybody,
because
our
previous
approach
was
we
would
meet
with
you
know,
maybe
the
affordable
housing
group
and
get
their
buy-in
on
one
thing,
but
then
we'd
meet
with
ufc
and
they
would
have
a
different
perspective
and
and
they
weren't
talking
to
each
other.
E
So,
although
it
took
us
nine
months
and
we
went
through
a
lot-
and
I
think
you
know
maggie
chime
in-
but
my
sense
is,
you
know,
the
code
has
has
changed
not
significantly,
but
it
almost
seems
from
my
perspective
that
more
of
what's
changed
is
that
people
have
come
to
understand
each
other
more
or
we've
kind
of
understand
that
these
issues
are
more
complex
than
they
first
seem
to
be
in
80
rate.
That's
that's
my
sense
of
why
the
task
force
was
created.
H
Thanks,
I
just
have
a
few
questions.
Thanks
vadilla,
I
just
heard
you
say
that
affordable
housing
is
exempt
from
this,
and
if
you
could
explain
what
you
mean
by
that,
that
doesn't
mean
that
it's
exempt
from
open
space
requirements.
It's
accepted
from
something
else.
E
No,
I'm
sorry
we
have
for
for
parcels
that
are
one
acre
or
larger
they.
E
We
have
this
the
standard
where
50
of
your
parcel
has
to
be
open
space
and
the
only
way
to
to
not
have
to
provide
50
open
space
is
by
providing
storm
water
or
by
having
at
least
50
of
the
project
to
be
affordable
housing,
and
we,
we
came
up
with
this,
because
we
were
in
conversations
with
affordable
housing
groups,
and
it
was
clear
that
adding
this
new
stormwater
standard
for
for
for
affordable
housing
would
be
really
challenging
for
them,
so
we're
not
holding
them
to
that
to
the
same
stormwater
requirement.
H
H
Is
that
something
that's
written
into
the
ordinance
or
is
that
something
that
is
just
on
the
planning,
books
and
and
the
last
question
is
about
living
roofs
and-
and
I
remember
there
was
something
about
you
needed
to
access
the
living
roofs
for
them
to
count
as
open
space,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you've,
if
you've.
H
H
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
is
an
interesting
development
and
it's
trying
to
accomplish
a
lot
of
things,
and
I'm
wondering
if
in
time,
the
planning
department
reviews
how
this
is
playing
out
to
see
if
it's
actually
working
and
meeting
the
objectives
is
the
seating
requirements
are
actually
good
seating.
If
the
habitat
isn't
being
pushed
out
in
ways
that
we
didn't
anticipate
or
whatever
might
be
in
it.
Is
that
something
that
you
write
into
the
ordinance
or
is
there
something
on
the
planning
book.
E
Right,
no,
that's
not
part
of
the
ordinance,
but
data
collection
is
we
have
a
new
department,
that's
focusing
on
that
and
helping
us
to
monitor
and
create
systems
to
to
keep
track
of
that.
So
that's
something
we
need
to
do,
but
it
hasn't
been
developed
as
part
of
this
code
and
green
roofs
and
living
roofs
are
allowed
as
part
of
open
space.
What's
tricky
is
open.
Space
is
not
always
open
to
the
public.
E
It
has
to
be
provided
to
a
certain
project
like
if
you're,
in
a
subdivision
that
open
space
needs
to
be
open
to
the
owners
of
the
subdivision
or,
if
you're,
in
a
private
apartment
building,
and
you
have
rooftop
open
space
that
has
to
be
accessible
to
the
residents
and
their
guests.
But
it's
not
necessarily
public
space.
So
we
we
allow
for
it
to
count,
but
it
may
only
benefit
the
the
the
constituents
unless
you're
considering
the
the
stormwater
benefits,
and
you
know
that
we
all
benefit
from.
H
I
Yeah
hi.
Thank
you
very
interesting
presentation.
I
don't
I'm
not
familiar
with
this
whole
area.
It
was.
It
was
great.
I
I
just
have
one
one
question
from
someone
who
knows
nothing:
50
as
the
as
the
open
space
requirement,
the
threshold
seems
like
it's
a
potentially
pretty
big
number,
and
I
guess
how
much
of
a
are
you
anticipating
that
this
will
provide
a
pretty
strong
incentive
for
developers
to
you
know,
undertake
stormwater
measures
and
the
like,
and
is
the
50
number
in
line
with
what
other
municipalities
have
done?
I
may
have
missed.
You
may
have
said
that
I
may
have
missed
that.
E
E
I
I
would
doubt
that
that
someone
with
a
parcel
over
an
acre
would
only
develop
half
of
it
unless
it's
the
case
that
they
just
happen
to
get
a
big
lot
and
no
they're,
not
thinking
of
developing
the
entirety
of
it
for
20
years,
but
in
most
cases
you
know
your
relationship
to
the
amount
of
land
has
to
do
with
your
needs,
so
our
intent
is
that
those
will
all
integrate
stormwater
and
there
is
not
an
analog
that
I
know
of
that
is
doing
this
a
different
city.
That's
doing
this.
C
Oh
yeah,
thanks
vadilla
for
a
great
presentation,
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first
one
was
in
the
examples
of
open
space
that
you
showed
a
lot
of
them.
Look
like
more
hardscape,
and
I
was
wondering
if,
if,
if
the
open
space
could
be
impervious
or
if
you
had
requirements
for
that.
E
Yes,
the
open
space
can
be
impervious.
I
don't
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head
if,
if
we
set
a
limit
to
the
maximum
impervious,
but
you
can
certainly
have
like
an
urban
plaza,
okay,
so
that
is,
that
is
permitted.
This
is
not
in
no
way
is
is.
Does
this
mean
that
how
your
open
space
has
to
be
green
space.
C
And
I
would
think
that
might
impact
you
know
the
stormwater
calculations,
you
know
say
you
had
a
large
plaza.
That
imperviousness
would
would
also
impact
your
stormwater
requirement
right.
Second
question:
when
you
go
from
the
50
open
space
and
you
trigger
the
storm
water,
you
jump
way
down
to
what
10
or
15,
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
there's
like
a
a
mixed
approach
like
somewhere
in
between,
say
you
had
a
site
that
was
35
open
space.
E
Well,
the
reason
that
is
is
because
it's
sort
of
a
false
number-
really
I
mean
it's
not
a
it's.
It's
a
strong
incentive.
The
intention
isn't
actually
we're
not
seeking
that
our
city
develop
in
a
way
that
50
of
large
parcels
are
open
space.
I
mean
you
know
if
we
didn't
have
much
of
a
population.
E
I
love
the
idea
of
that
future,
but
that
really
what
we're
getting
at
is
a
heavy-handed
incentive
to
move
them
to
to
do
what
effectively
to
to
to
meet
the
open
space
requirement
that
they
know
that
they
normally
would
have.
But
now,
by
providing
now
now
they're
providing
stormwater
too.
C
Okay,
yeah,
it
seems
like
it
might
potentially
like
disincentivize
a
certain
level
of
open
space
so
that,
if
you
go
below
the
50,
then
why
not
really
develop
the
whole
site
so
you're
down
to
10,
if
you're
gonna
have
to
do
storm
water
anyway,
but
maybe
we
can
talk
about
this.
You
know
in
the
future,
but
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there.
A
E
Thank
you
and
you
know
if
we
are
requesting
each
commission
that
was
involved
to
write
us
a
statement
of
support,
if
you
can,
if
you
are
willing
to
or
whatever
you
want,
and
we
are
going
to
the
playing
zone
commission
in
two
weeks.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
on
your
agenda
tonight,
but
if
we
can
get
it
before
then
that'd
be
great.
A
Sure
we
will
I'll
make
sure
that
we
can
I'll
follow
up
with
you
and
the
appropriate
people
that
can
help
you
with
that.
How
about
that.
A
Bye
all
right
next
on
our
agenda
item
3b
under
updates
is
an
updated
presentation
from
the
greenbelt
alliance
fiscal
year.
2021
blue
horizons,
project
accomplishments
and
today,
sophie
mullinax
will
be
presenting
on
this
topic.
K
Hey
everybody
good
to
see
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me.
So
this
is
a
presentation
on
our
fiscal
year,
21
contract.
We
have
a
joint
contract
with
the
city
and
the
county
that
funds
the
work
that
we
do
next
slide.
K
So
you
may
well
be
familiar
with
the
blue
horizons
project,
but
a
quick
overview
is
that
we're
a
community-wide
effort
born
out
of
the
former
energy
innovation
task
force
to
move
our
region
to
a
cleaner
energy
future
in
welcome
county
next
slide,
and
our
goal
is
to
get
public
support,
provide
easy
access
to
resources,
technical
assistance
programs
to
make
our
existing
homes
and
businesses
more
energy
efficient
and
to
support
the
adoption
of
renewable
energy,
and
we
believe
this
provides
a
host
of
benefits
to
our
community,
including
promoting
climate
resiliency,
healthy
living,
reducing
the
effects
of
climate
change
and
many
more
next
slide
and
financially
we're
supported
and
always
have
been
to
by
the
city
and
the
county.
K
Since
our
inception,
in
early
2018,
we've
had
a
joint
contract
with
the
city
as
well
as
the
county.
Duke
energy
is
a
community
partner
and
financed
a
lot
of
the
research
that
went
into
creating
the
blue
horizons
project
in
2016
2017
and
was
a
key
player
in
the
energy
innovation
task
force.
They
also
currently
support
our
energy
savers
network
program,
which
I'll
talk
about
through
fee
for
service
where
they
pay
us
per
energy.
Efficient
measure
installed.
K
K
We've
got
10
staff.
We
actually
grew
over
the
pandemic,
which
is
a
funny
thing
to
me
to
you,
know
we're
doing
so
well
and
we're
doing
really
or
we're
keeping
really
busy.
But
the
greenbelt
alliance,
energy
savers,
network
team
is
on
the
right.
Our
operations,
coordinators
on
the
bottom
amber
myself
and
then
beatrice
nathan
and
samurais
on
the
left
are
the
primary
implementers
of
the
blue
horizons
project
next
slide.
K
K
The
energy
innovation
task
force
concluded
and
had
its
last
meeting
in
march
2020,
just
as
the
pandemic
was
coming
into
play
that
caused
the
delay
in
getting
the
blue
horizons
project
community
council
off
the
ground.
They
met
for
the
first
time
in
november
2020
and
they
meet
monthly
energy
savers
network,
which
is
a
free
no-cost.
Energy
efficiency
upgrade
program
for
low-income
families
in
buncombe,
county
making,
200
of
the
federal
poverty
level
or
less
to
date.
We
have
weatherized
nearly
a
thousand
homes
in
buncombe
county
since
2016.
K
K
We
also
worked
on
commercial
energy
efficiency
and
provided
consultations
and
technical
assistance
and
referrals
to
energy
efficiency
programs
for
the
commercial
space,
residential
energy
efficiency.
Along
with
energy
savers
network,
we
provided
virtual
consultations
in
the
form
of
a
program
called
home
energy
chats
which
got
off
the
ground
in
early
fiscal
year.
21.
K
I
need
to
take
one
pause.
So
sorry.
K
All
right,
it
all
seems
to
be
well
sorry
about
that.
So
I
guess
I
wanted
to
say
that
the
kova
19
pandemic
pushed
us
and
strained
us
a
lot
that
we
moved
everything
that
we
could
to
be
virtual.
Previous
to
the
pandemic,
our
bread
and
butter
was
in-person
events
going
to
neighborhood
meetings,
hosting
tables
at
community
events
being
in
person.
Essentially,
as
I
know,
a
lot
of
work
was
so
it
was
quite
a
shift
for
us,
so
the
engagement
side
of
things
was
significantly
reduced.
K
We
also
launched
a
100
renewable
energy,
strategic
planning
subcommittee
in
fiscal
year,
21,
which
is
a
subcommittee
of
the
blue
horizons,
project,
community
council
and
then
just
general
community
engagement
work.
As
I
said,
everything
sort
of
moved
virtual.
So
we
did
do
these
virtual
home
energy
chats.
K
We
maintain
a
website
with
resources
for
buncombe,
county
and
city
of
asheville
residents
and
businesses
to
take
action
to
reduce
their
energy
use
and
adopt
renewable
energy,
and
we
run
a
social
media
and
traditional
media
campaign,
and
we
go
to
events
virtually
as
much
as
we
can,
but
they
are
few
and
far
between
these
days
next
slide.
Please
funding
the
work
in
fiscal
year
21
we
had
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
both
from
the
city
of
asheville
and
buncombe
county
and
for
our
neighbor
to
neighbor,
low
and
moderate
income
solar
program.
K
We
had
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
from
the
county
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
from
the
city.
We
have
a
sponsorship
program
for
energy
savers
network,
where
businesses
such
as
belgium
or
the
sierra
club
and
other
entities
and
and
individuals
can
sponsor
energy
savers
network,
and
we
have
a
whole
package
where
we
can
promote
their
what
they're
all
about
we
accept
private
donations
for
all
of
the
above.
We
also
are
currently
and
in
fiscal
year,
21
pursued
grants
and
covered
recovery
funding
next
slide.
K
K
We
received
23
applications
and
chose
nine
inaugural
members,
including
the
three
co-chairs
of
the
energy
innovation
task
force
that
carried
over,
which
were
ronnie,
newman
julie,
mayfield
and
jason
walls,
so
julie,
mayfield,
of
course,
dropped
off
as
she
took
her
state
senate
seat.
A
chair
was
chosen,
keith
bamberger.
K
We
had
seven
meetings
in
fiscal
year
21
and
we
have
four
subcommittees
that
work
on
technology,
which
was
a
holdover
from
the
energy
innovation
task
force,
a
community
engagement
subcommittee,
100,
renewable
energy,
strategic
planning
subcommittee.
Sorry,
I
said
four
but
there's
three,
the
fourth
one
was
in
fy22
next
slide.
Please.
K
Energy
savers
network,
as
I
said,
is
a
free
program
for
buncombe
county
residents
to
get
free
energy
efficiency
and
sometimes
health
and
safety
upgrades
and
fixes
to
their
homes.
We
rely
on
volunteers
to
do
this
work.
We
had
573
volunteer
hours
in
fy21.
K
We
do
third
party
elec,
evaluation
measurement
and
verification
for
a
subset
of
all
the
homes
that
we
perform.
This
work
on
and
air
leakage
and
insulation
upgrades
have
helped
reduce
air
leakage
by
up
to
40
on
the
high
end,
but
approximately
20
average
is
what
we
see
when
we
do
a
diagnostic
blower
door
test
on
the
homes
that
we
provide.
These
upgrades
on.
K
K
we
collaborate
with
blue
cross
blue
shield
and
community
action
opportunities
for
the
healthy
home
initiative,
which
is
a
program
that
can
provide
health
and
safety
upgrades
such
as
repairing
roofs
or
replacing
hvac
equipment,
which
is
definitely
outside
of
the
scope
of
what
the
energy
savers
network
team
can
do.
They
strictly
focus
on
weatherization
and
energy
efficiency
upgrades
and
then
fee
for
service
is
a
duke
energy
program
where
we
get
reimbursed
by
duke
energy
for
each
energy
efficient
measure
so
like
each
led,
we
replace
each
water
fixture.
K
We
replace
each
hot
water
heater
blanket
we
install,
so
we
receive
a
little
bit
of
funding
that
way
as
well.
We
were
hit
definitely
with
cova
challenges
for
energy
savers
network.
This
is
an
in-person
program
where
we're
going
into
homes
of
the
public,
so
we
were
hit
with
coveted
infections
on
our
team,
as
well
as
in
the
subcontractors
that
we
used.
K
We
partnered
with
united
community
development
and
work
essentially
halted
several
times
during
the
year
because
of
covent
infections,
we
developed
a
very
robust
cobin
19
protocol,
where
we
did
our
best
to
with
the
available
science
at
the
time
and
the
county
and
city
covet
protocols.
We
either
stopped
work,
or
we
took
extra
precautions
to
ensure
the
safety
of
the
clients
that
we
serve
as
well
as
the
volunteers,
some
of
whom
are
fairly
elderly
and
are
very
cautious
when
doing
in-person
work.
K
K
We
use
vandermuster
design
to
do
our
third
party
evaluation
measurement
and
verification.
We
served
153
homes
in
fy21
we
had
a
goal
of
200
and
fy
21
and
primarily
due
to
covid.
This
was
reduced.
We
would
often
get
last
minute
cancellations
from
folks
as
well
as
just
not
being
able
to
secure
enough
volunteers
to
be
able
to
work
in
person
to
accomplish
the
number
of
homes
that
we
had
set
out
and
plan
to
serve.
K
We
have
thirty
three
thousand
dollars:
thirty,
three
thousand
five
hundred
500
a
year
savings
on
these
153
homes
on
their
annual
utility
bills,
greenhouse
gas
reduction
has
been
calculated
at
120
tons
per
year.
We
had
573
volunteer
hours,
our
average
air
leakage
reduction
is
20
to
30
percent,
as
I
mentioned
on
the
homes
that
we
perform
a
lower
door
test
on.
We
don't
do
one
on
every
single
home,
but
we
do
a
representative
sample.
K
It's
been
a
multi-year
challenge
to
get
utility
data
from
duke
energy
because
of
customer
protection
and
privacy
concerns.
However,
we
have
finally
been
successful
in
getting
pre
and
post
utility
data
to
ins
to
verify
12
months
of
pre-utility
data.
You
know,
then
we
do
our
energy
efficiency
upgrade
and
then
we
can
get
12
months
of
post
utility
data
to
assess
how
much
of
an
effect
our
energy
efficiency
upgrades
are
actually
having.
K
We
had
a
new
partnership
in
fy
21
with
the
housing
authority
of
asheville
apartments,
and
this
was
just
getting
off
the
ground
at
the
end
of
fy21.
So
we
did
28
apartments
with
light
weatherization,
as
you
can
imagine,
an
apartment
takes
less,
takes
fewer
measures
than
a
whole
home
for
weather,
weatherization
and
energy
efficiency.
K
So
we're
able
to
sort
of
knock
these
out
a
little
bit
faster,
there's
a
goal
of
over
a
thousand
over
this
partnership
with
haka
and
then
there's
a
fun
picture
of
our
new
van.
So
if
you
see
us
around
town,
give
us
a
honk,
oh
yeah,
next
slide,
solarize
asheville
buncombe
was
planned
and
launched
in
fy21.
K
We
had
a
solar,
installer
called
summit
solar
wind
that
rfp
to
provide
residential,
commercial
and
nonprofit
solar
energy
systems.
Solarize
campaigns
are
far
and
away
primarily
residential
across
the
country.
Let
me
see
this.
As
of
the
end
of
fy
21,
we
had
582
folks
sign
up
for
an
evaluation
on
their
home
and
102
contracts
were
signed.
K
K
K
K
We
also
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
with
about
20
other
municipalities
in
a
rocky
mountain
institute,
now
called
rmi
and
world
resources
institute
cohort
that
met
several
times,
maybe
about
a
dozen
times
over
the
course
of
fy21
to
share
knowledge
and
experience
about
how
to
increase
access
for
communities
of
color
for
solarize
campaigns.
So
solarize
campaigns
reduce
the
cost
of
solar
for
everyone
who
participates.
K
However,
we
do
see
that
the
folks
who
are
going
solar
are
primarily
wider
and
wealthier
and
so
to
address
this.
We
worked
with
20
municipalities
across
the
country
led
by
rmi
and
the
world
resources
institute,
just
sharing
practices
and
models
on
how
to
design
inclusive,
solarize
campaigns.
K
More
from
what
I
hear
currently
as
of
this
morning,
our
solarize
campaign,
out
of
these
20
american
cities,
has
far
and
away
the
most
successful
solarize
campaign
in
terms
of
megawatts
committed
to
be
installed.
Yes,
go
asheville,
as
well
as
the
success
and
impact,
and
you
know
innovative
design.
I
guess
you
could
say
of
our
neighbor
to
neighbor
program
as
well,
so
we're
excited
to
circle
back
with
these
folks
and
share
knowledge.
K
We
have
done
one
consultation,
just
completely,
sharing
our
process
with
the
city
of
santa
fe
they're,
getting
ready
to
launch
their
own
neighbor
to
neighbor
style
program
as
well.
Next
slide
so
more
about
neighbor
to
neighbor.
It
is
real
small.
I'm
so
sorry
about
that.
But
the
blue
box
is
our
income
qualifications.
K
And
this
program
is
designed
to
lower
the
price
of
solar
for
those
who
can
least
afford
it,
or
just
can't
afford
it
at
all.
So
we
found
that
even
with
really
great
financing.
Folks
cannot
really
low
and
moderate
income
folks
still
have
a
really
hard
time
at
affording
solar.
So
you
still
need
to
make
a
down
payment
if
you're
financing,
if
you're
a
low
and
moderate
income,
you're
more
you're,
less
likely
to
qualify
for
any
sort
of
financing.
K
So
we
with
funding
from
our
city
and
county
partners
as
well
as
individual
donations,
were
able
to
fund
eight
contracts
for
solar
installations
for
neighbor,
neighbor,
solar
and
one
installation
was
completed.
K
K
So
we
received
a
lot
of
referrals
from
brenda
mills
and
her
contacts
in
the
city
as
well
as
dwayne
barton
in
the
burton
street
neighborhood,
and
we
have
we're
committed
to
focus
primarily
on
families
of
color
and
formerly
red
line
neighborhoods
as
well.
So
the
qualifying
criteria
include
income,
as
well
as
the
structure,
structural
readiness
of
folks
homes
for
solar.
You
know
so,
of
course,
sun
exposure.
K
K
All
of
these
systems
for
simplicity
are
3.55
kilowatts
and
for
your
average
american
household,
this
will
not
offset
100
of
use,
however,
for
the
families
that
we
are
serving,
it
is
offsetting
a
very
sizable
portion
of
their
use
and
permanently
reducing
their
utility
bills,
so
they
can
free
up
exp
free.
F
K
K
I
love
talking
to
people
about
their
energy
use
and
the
quirks
in
their
homes,
and
should
I
replace
my
windows
first
or
you
know
air
seal
around
my
door?
Do
I
need
to
get
a
gas
water
heater
or
an
electric
hot
water
heater,
so
those
kinds
of
questions
are
some
of
the
ones
that
we
field
and,
as
mentioned
before,
we
maintain
a
traditional
media,
social
media
and
online
web
presence,
and
we
also
are
starting
to
explore
and
do
more
casual
video
content.
K
On
fy
21,
we
did
two
commercial
property
consultations.
One
was
was
the
french
broad
chocolate,
lounge
and
factory.
They
were
in
the
process
of
renewing
their
b
corp
certification,
and
so
we
provided
consultation
and
referrals
to
energy
efficiency
programs
with
duke
energy
for
their
b
corp
certification,
which
is
you
all
know
what
be
corpus?
K
I'm
sorry,
and
then
we
provided
technical
assistance
to
the
homeward
bound
days
in
project,
so
we
met
many
times
with
santiago
selly,
who
was
the
manager
of
properties,
basically
at
home
or
sorry,
homeward,
bound
and
walk
through
the
new
hotel
that
they're
in
the
process
of
buying
and
identified
ways
that
we
could
assist
them
in
terms
of
weatherization
or
you
know,
possibly
even
helping
them
fundraise
for
a
solar
system
down
the
line.
K
We
also
connected
them
with
land
of
sky
waste
reduction
partners
and
duke
energy
programs
to
sort
of
pull
out
all
the
stops
to
make
sure
that
their
dollars
were
well
spent
in
terms
of
trying
to
to
house
homeless
folks,
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
they
are
getting
the
most
efficient
housing
as
possible
in
that
kind
of
untraditional
space.
K
We
embarked
on
100
renewable
energy
by
2042
strategic
planning.
This
is
a
new
subcommittee
of
the
blue
horizons
project
community
council
and
we
hired
a
project
manager
for
this
for
a
two-year
time
frame
named
david,
gordon,
and
it's
going.
This
process
will
include
data
analysis
for
energy
use
in
the
county
and
the
city
and
what
it
will
take
to
reach
100
renewable
energy,
so
that
was
just
getting
off
the
ground
in
fy
21
and
is
continuing
into
fy22,
and
it
is
definitely
a
great
group.
K
I
believe
this
is
my
last
slide,
so
our
major
takeaways
from
fy21
community
connections
are
still
possible
during
a
pandemic,
and
while
we
had
a
lot
of
challenges
with
covid
personally
on
our
staff
is
and
also
having
to
move
everything
that
we
were
doing
in
person
online.
We
still
had
a
very
successful
year.
We
grew
in
numbers
and
our
scope
expanded
as
a
staff.
K
I
think
a
huge
takeaway
for
us
was
that
the
solarize
campaign
was
a
much
much
bigger
lift
than
anyone
ever
could
expected
could
have
expected
on
the
front
end
as
well
as
during
the
campaign
yeah
we
did.
We
did
not
know
what
we
were
getting
into
and
we
kind
of
were
building
a
plane
as
we
flew,
but
all
it
was
all
good.
K
When
we
released
that
rfp
for
the
solar
installer,
we
didn't
have
a
single
local
installer
bid
and
we
learned
after
the
fact,
many
of
the
reasons
why
they
were
not
able
to
bid,
and
so
we
are
committed
to
working
toward
better
partnerships
and
supporting
our
local
and
solar
installer
community
for
future
solarize
campaigns
as
much
as
possible
and
we're
ever
grateful
for
the
support
of
the
city
of
asheville
in
the
work
that
we
do.
We
absolutely
would
not
be
here
without
you,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
or
comments.
A
K
Yes,
get
a
hybrid
and
hybrid
doesn't
mean
gas
and
electric,
so
in
our
home
energy
chats,
we
always
encourage
efficiency
first
and
then
electrification
when
possible.
So
whenever
you're
replacing
an
appliance,
we
do
encourage
getting
off
of
natural
gas
as
much
as
possible.
It
is
a
fossil
fuel
and
I'm
no
electrical
engineer
or
technical
expert,
but
I
am
told
that
burning
natural
gas
at
the
source
at
an
appliance
is
much
less
efficient
than
burning
natural
gas
for
electricity
to
be
used
on
the
grid.
K
K
Electrification
is
the
way
to
go
it
pairs
nicely
with
going
solar
as
well.
That's
really
not
going
to
help
your
gas
hot
water,
heater,
yep
one
and
a
hybrid
hot
water
heater,
while
you're
talking,
while
we're
speaking
about
it,
has
a
three
year
payback
with
typical
use.
So
you
pay
more
up
front.
It's
a
pretty
pretty
fast
payback.
K
H
Thanks
so
much
sophie
you're
doing
amazing
work
and
I
just
have
two
questions.
One
of
them
is
about
the
continuation
of
supporting
the
solar
industry
and
I'm
just
wondering,
given
that
the
contagion
and
the
you
know,
probably
the
excitement
and
has
more
people
get
solar.
More
people
want
solar.
It
may
be
too
soon
to
say,
but
what
what
are
the
plans
or
or
what
are
you
thinking
about
for
a
future
solarize
or
solar
support?
And
the
the
other
question
is
about
membership
cycles
on
the
blue
horizons?
K
Yeah
I'll
answer
your
second
question.
First,
it's
three
year
terms.
We
are
working
to
stagger
the
terms
as
much
as
possible
because
everyone
started
at
the
same
time
and
I
think
in
our
charter.
It
may
have
some
specifications
about
staggering
the
terms,
but
it
is
typically
a
three-year
term
we
are
currently
below
in
numbers.
I
think
we
have
nine
members
at
the
time
we
can
go
up
to
13..
B
K
Yeah
sure,
as
far
as
solarize
campaigns,
so
you
may
recall
that
in
the
cadmus
group
report
on
100
renewable
energy,
it
recommended
to
run,
it
was
recommended
that
we
do
a
solarize
campaign
locally
every
three
years.
I
think
that
we
have
no
firm
plans,
but
I
can
see
us
looking
at
one
in
2023.
K
Potentially,
we
do
have
plans
to
try
and
continue
the
neighbor
to
neighbor
program
for
quite
some
time
we're
starting
to
get
some
momentum
currently
with
funding
where
you've
got
a
lot
of
realtors
who
are
interested.
The
land
of
sky
realtor
association
is
really
interested
in
funding
10
homes,
which
is
just
amazing,
they're
doing
this
challenge
to
fundraise,
for
it's
like
almost
100
000,
so
we're
seeing
some
steam
pickup
new
belgium
just
wants
just
reached
out
and
wants
to
send
us
a
check
for
this.
K
So
we
hope
to
keep
that
portion
going
for
as
long
as
we
can,
and
we
may
put
it
out
to
bid
again
for
a
new,
hopefully
local,
installer
after
the
end
of
the
campaign.
I
Here
I
am,
actually
I
don't
have
a
question.
I
just
have
a
brief
observation
that,
as
as
evident
from
your
great
presentation
sophie,
you
guys
are
covering
a
whole
lot
of
ground.
I
I
you
know
as
keith
and
and
chris
and
I
have
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
a
little
bit
in
some
of
the
committee
volunteer
committee,
work
that
you've
done
and
it's
been
great
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
thank
you
I,
my
observation
is
that
my
sense
is
that
you're
at
the
stage
where,
albeit
hampered
by
the
pandemic
and
restrictions
on
community
engagement,
that
with
all
these
programs
going
on
and
the
lodestar
being
trying
to
transition
the
community
to
100
renewable
energy,
that
the
real
the
real
challenge
is
to
try
to
figure
out
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work.
I
So
well
with
all
these
programs
that
you
have
what's
cost
effective
solarize,
you
know
seems
like
a
real
jam.
Others
are
maybe
unproven
untested,
but
anyway
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
and
go
forth.
You
guys
are
really
hard-working
group.
K
Thank
you
so
much,
and
that's
always
part
of
the
puzzle
is
determining
how
best
to
spend
our
time
and
do
we
have
enough
resources
to
staff
up
a
little
bit
more
and
it's
always
just
a
fine
balance,
and
we
are
undergoing
currently
some
program
evaluation
which,
where
we're
doing
a
program
inventory
and
specifying
metrics
for
each
program,
to
evaluate
on
a
regular
basis,
to
look
at
where
we're
putting
our
time
and
help
also
be
a
screen
for
other
opportunities
for
future
programs.
That
might
come
our
way
and
to
be
a
decision-making
screener.
B
Yeah
thanks
hi
sophie.
I
wasn't
you
could
keep
to
why
the
local
solar
outfits
haven't
responded
to
the
rfps
or
can't
respond
it
sounded
like
maybe
they
couldn't.
For
some
reason.
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
talk
about
that.
K
Yeah,
I
can
speak
to
that,
so
we
actually
held
an
fy
early
fy22,
a
listening
session,
where
we
invited
our
five
local
solar
installers
to
come
and
give
feedback
in
a
round
table
setting
outdoors
where
we
took
their
feedback
and
they
had
a
lot
of
feedback
to
give-
and
I
found
it
really
enlightening
and
also
it
was
a
slightly
difficult
conversation.
K
But
my
summary
is
that
our
local
solar
installers
are
on
the
small
side
and
to
be
able
to
staff
up
and
scale
up
to
take
on
an
estimated
50
to
100
installations
very
very
quickly
with
the
campaign
installations
happening
in
the
last
quarter
of
the
year.
That's
the
busiest
time
of
year
for
our
local
guys.
They
did
not
see
a
way
to
swap
up
that
quickly
or
scale
up
that
quickly.
For
example,
sugar
hollow
solar,
which
is
a
local
installer.
K
They
only
do
about
100
installations
a
year,
so
this
would
be
doubling
their
installation,
so
hiring
subcontractors
and
and
dealing
with
the
logistics
wasn't
really
feasible.
We
also
heard
feedback
that
the
volume
discounts
needed
to
reduce
the
pricing
to
meet
the
specified
tiers
of
pricing
in
our
campaign
was
not
possible
for
some
of
our
local
installers.
They
were
not
able
to
get
volume
discounts
in
a
way
that
a
larger
national
installer
could
get,
and
then,
lastly,
they
had
some
issues
with
the
way
the
tiers
of
pricing
were
structured.
K
So
this
campaign
was
structured
at
an
introductory
price
per
watt
of
solar
installed
of
and
280
cents
a
watt
and
the
more
people
who
sign
up
the
lower
that
price
gets
for
everyone
involved.
So
it
went
all
the
way
down
to
two
dollars
and
forty
five
cents,
a
watt
and
one
that
price
245
was
very,
I
think,
unrealistic
for
some
of
our
local
installers
to
meet
and
then
two
they
found
the
way
the
tiers
were
structured
to
be
really
confusing.
K
You
know
our
main
takeaways
from
that
are
that
we
need
to
work
proactively
with
the
local
installer
community
and
potentially
without
giving
any
favor
to
a
local
installer
like
anybody,
if
we're
doing
a
competitive
rfp
but
potentially
hold
a
proactive
work
session
where
we
can
think
about
who
can
band
together
to
make
a
you
know
more
competitive
bid
if
we
do
a
future
solarize
campaign,
yeah
that
it's
quite
complex
and
there's
many
layers
and
if
you're
interested,
I
would
be
happy
to
share,
share
more.
D
Hey
thanks
sophie
fantastic.
I
just
had
two
things
that
I
want
to
mention.
D
The
first
is
that
it's
great,
I
didn't
see
that
in
the
cadmus
group
that
I
advocated
to
do
the
solarize
campaign
within
you
know
in
certain
every
three,
four
or
five
years,
which
I
think
is
great
because
for
me
personally,
I
wasn't
quite
ready
to
commit,
although
perhaps
in
two
or
three
years,
I
will
be
so
it's
exciting
to
think
about
participating
in
that
program
in
the
future,
and
the
other
thing
that
you
know
came
up,
which
I
feel
like
is
a
really
interesting.
D
Development
from
this
whole
thing
is
that
the
neighbor
to
neighbor
program
looks
like
it
might
grow
well
beyond
this
time-bound
program
that
you've,
you
know
that
we
adopted
and
now
it
could
be
an
ongoing
thing,
because
you're
look
you're
talking
about
having
donors
who
want
to
invest
a
lot
of
money
in
the
program
and
maybe
that'll
grow,
and
so
now
you've
got
this
really
fantastic
problem
on
your
hands,
where
you
may
end
up
with
more
money
than
you
might
know
what
to
do
with
it
as
it
relates
to
having
homes
to
install
them
on.
D
K
Thank
you
so
much
yeah,
there's
a
statistic
from
buncombe
county
that
we
heard
and
that
only
two
percent
of
homeowners
are
people
of
color
in
buncombe
county
and
to
find
in
that
subsection
or
subset
a
home.
That's
viable
for
solar
has
a
roof.
That's
less
than
10
years
old,
and
has
you
know
good
sun
exposure
incredibly
hard,
so
we
we've
refined
our
process
in
vetting.
The
leads
that
we
have
and
have
established
good
community
relationships
to
find
sort
of
pre-qualified
leads
yeah,
it's
very
exciting.
I
think
everybody
wants
it
to
continue.
A
F
Hello,
everybody
artwell
will
be
doing
some
of
it
and
I'll
be
presenting
some
of
this
information,
so
hopefully
we'll
keep
it
moving
and
we'll
have
some
questions
at
the
end.
The
the
stormwater
task
force
really
started
before
covet
in
2019,
with
a
few
of
us
getting
together
to
discuss.
F
You
know
the
challenge
and
how
we
might
want
to
get
some
energy
around
moving
forward
with
some
up.
You
know
upgrades
in
the
stormwater
system
and
other
other
aspects.
So
over
the
time
period.
Before
I
guess
I
don't
know
in
by
early
2020,
we
had
been
able
to
attract
a
number
of
other
folks
into
the
conversation
you
see
their
names
and
their
affiliations
and
training
and
degrees.
Here,
it's
quite
a
great
group
of
people.
F
They
spend
a
lot
of
time
bringing
their
expertise
to
bear
on
this
question
and
we
had
greg
schuler
who's.
The
public
works
director
as
our
liaison
to
the
city.
He
was
participating
in
most
of
the
meetings
and
gave
us
a
lot
of
information,
so
it
was
very
helpful.
Next.
F
I
know
people
have
various
levels
of
understanding
about
stormwater
issues
in
asheville,
so
I
you
know
we
pulled
together
a
few
ideas
that
we
thought
would
be
good
to
review
quickly
so
that
you
know
where
we're
coming
from
with
this.
First
of
all,
while
over
the
time
period
of
the
clean
water
act
and
lots
of
people
working,
the
french
broad
river
water
quality
has
improved
over
the
last
five
years
or
so
based
on
sampling
data
in
various
locations
in
the
area,
we've
seen
a
decline
in
water
quality.
F
Several
of
the
tributaries
to
the
french
fraud,
and
especially
in
the
rad,
are
likely
to
be
listed
as
impaired
waters.
Next
year,
we've
already
got
an
indication
from
the
department
of
environmental
quality.
F
We
also
know
from
noaa
that
over
the
last
50
or
60
years,
heavy
rainfall
events
have
increased
in
number
and
we
expect
that
to
get
even
worse,
with
continued
climate
change
impacts,
which
then
causes
flooding
and
flooding
is
already
already
common
in
some
places
in
town,
and
we
know
that
it's
you
know
it's
also
enhanced
by
new
development
and
more
impervious
surface.
F
Most
of
the
system
in
the
city
is
old
and
really
needs
some
replacement.
That's
a
full-time
effort
of
the
stormwater
department.
F
We
have
in
the
storm
in
the
resilience
plan
that
most
everybody
in
this
group
is
familiar
with.
There
were
remarks
and
and
items
listed
around
storm
water
and
flooding
like
40
times.
I
think
so
it's
as
well.
It's
it's
a
very
well
documented
issue,
and
people
are
you
know
needing
to
address
it.
It's
also
a
threat
to
human
health,
not
just
the
flooding
and
damage
to
property,
which
we
all
know
it
does
cause
it's
it's
an
impact
on
us
and
it
impacts
the
river.
F
The
river
is
responsible
for
a
huge
amount
of
our
economy.
F
So,
even
if
you
don't
care
about
fish
and
bugs
you
ought
to
think
about
the
economic
impacts
and
then
finally,
what
we
really
felt
was
important
to
highlight
is
that,
while
agriculture
and
construction
and
even
other
communities,
contribute
to
pollution
and
impairment
in
the
french
broad
river
asheville
is
a
key
contributor
ourselves,
we're
the
biggest
city
in
the
watershed,
and
despite
the
fact
that
people
say
oh,
it's
coming
from
upstream
and
all
those
downstream
people
are
doing
stuff,
we're
playing
a
big
role
in
the
problem.
F
F
So
as
we
came
one
more
thing
quickly
and
just
as
one
of
those
historic
things
you
want
to
pay
attention
to
in
27,
2007,
the
city
of
asheville
had
a
flood
damage
reduction
task
force,
and
if
you
look
at
these
underlined
phrases,
you'll
hear
some
as
we
get
towards
the
end
of
this
you'll
hear
some
similarities
here.
We
don't
want,
you
know
to
be
in
in
20
years
somebody
looking
back
on
our
efforts
and
say
gee
whiz.
Why
didn't
we
take
more
action?
F
I
think
updating
the
stormwater
ordinance
to
look
at
a
much
more
relevant
benchmark
of
25-year
storms
is
important
and
they
recommended
that.
They
also
said
that
the
stormwater
department
should
have
more
staff
to
do
enforcement
and
education
and
so
forth,
and
they
promoted
the
idea
of
all
these
different
best
management
practices,
which
many
of
you
are
very
familiar
with
from
underground
treatment
that
was
referred
to
earlier
to
rain
gardens.
F
You
know
buffers
all
these
things
contribute
to
improving
the
river
and
reducing
storm
and
flooding
impacts,
and
then
the
low
impact
development
there
was
a
focus
on
that
and
that
we
should
be
doing
it
more
promoting
it.
More
with
with
maybe
similar
things
that
vidillo
was
talking
about
incentivizing
it
and
I
think
all
of
these
actions
here
these
these
efforts,
including
the
buffers
that
I
didn't
mention,
but
I
think
they're,
pretty
obvious
sources
of
improvement-
were
things
that
were
proposed
by
the
2007
task
force.
F
So
as
the
latest
version
of
the
stormwater
task
force
in
particular,
here
in
asheville
came
together,
we
started
thinking
about
what
we
could
tackle
with
the
time
we
had
and
the
people
that
were
involved
in
knowing
that
it's
already
a
problem.
How
did
we
move
forward?
F
There
were
three
main
groups:
that's
that
looked
at
information,
one
really
focused
on
the
storm
water
ordinance.
How
could
we
update
it?
What
needs
to
be
added?
You
know,
whatever
green
infrastructure,
how
could
we
be
doing
more
using
more
green
infrastructure
in
the
city?
What
are
the
reasons
that
it's
not
more
typically
used?
F
You
know
whatever
just
explore
that
and
how
that
could
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
river
and
then,
lastly,
the
budget
and
fees
for
the
stormwater
department.
Are
we
adequately
paying
for
the
services?
Are
we
paying
enough
to
cover
what's
coming
in
the
future,
so
that
we
can
get
ahead
of
the
curve
with
climate
change?
F
Those
were
the
groups
and-
and
we
spent
a
good
bit
of
time
separately,
discussing
in
smaller
groups
and
looking
at
data
and
trying
to
figure
things
out
and
then
came
back
together
to
report
to
each
other
and
give
each
other
feedback
and
and
so
forth.
So
it
was
a
really
involved
and
interactive
effort
next
hartwell,
are
you
going
to
pick
this
up
for
the
next
few
slides?
Please.
L
Yes,
so
kind
of
getting
to
the
meat
of
it
and
I'll
be
really
brief,
because
I
want
to
leave
some
time
for
you
guys
to
ask
questions.
We
looked
at
the
stormwater
ordinance
and
really
went
through
it
with
the
fine
tooth
cone
and-
and
I
kind
of
expected
to
come
up
with
the
fact
that
it
was.
L
You
know,
not
good
and
needed
a
total
rewrite,
but
that
really
isn't
what
we
came
up
with.
We
found
that
there
was
some
pretty
good
tools
in
the
ordinance
and
those
tools
just
needed
to
be
used,
and
you
know
beefed
up
a
little
bit
and
one
of
those
tools
was
there
was
a
watershed
overlay
zone
in
the
ordinance
that
basically
set
aside
certain
it.
L
It
allowed
for
certain
watersheds
to
have
a
different
criteria
or
different
set
of
standards
that
should
be
applied
to
them,
but
it
was
not
a
tool
that
was
being
used
so
we're
strongly
recommending
that
that
recommending
that
that
be
a
tool,
that's
used.
So
let's
take
a
watershed.
That
is
impaired,
recognize
that
it
has
water
quality
problems
and
it
should
have
an
extra
kind
of
set
of
protections
built
around
it.
When
you're
looking
at
stormwater
controls,
we
weren't
too
specific
about
what
those
standards
should
be.
L
We
really
left
a
lot
of
it
in
the
hands
of
the
city
staff
to
to
kind
of
define
what
those
are,
but
we
do
have
a
few
suggestions
on
what
they
should
be,
which
is
on
the
next
side.
L
So
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
you
can
put
to
make
better
storm
water
controls.
You
know
some
of
the
most
obvious
stuff
is,
you
know
better
ground
cover?
I
mean
the
biggest
problems
we
see.
Are
construction
sites
left
open,
getting
these
frequent
rain
events
and
and
all
that
mud
washing
off
so
ground
cover
as
fast
as
possible,
and
we
we
also
bacteria,
is
a
big
impairment
of
the
french
broad
in
our
tributaries.
L
So
our
plan
was
to
make
our
water
quality
our
best
management
practices
treat
bacteria
which
is
kind
of
a
higher
standard,
and
we
also
looked
at
a
bigger
storm
event,
so
you
know
potentially
designing
best
management
practices
to
treat
to
a
higher
storm
event.
L
You
can
switch
to
next
one,
the
other
tool
that
was
in
the
ordinance.
That
was
really
good,
but
it
didn't
being
used
as
much
as
we
think
it
should
was
enforcement.
I
mean
the
biggest
problem.
In
our
opinion,
the
task
force
opinion
with
stormwater
is
is
a
lack
of
enforcement,
particularly
when
you're
looking
at
you
know,
sediment
runoff
and
what
the
ordinance
has
is
a
pretty
good
chart
in
there.
L
That
says,
you
know,
under
these
circumstances,
we'll
issue
a
fine
under
these
circumstances,
we'll
issue
an
nov
and
they
have
quite
a
bit
of
circumstances
where
an
immediate,
fine
or
an
immediate
nov
will
be
issued,
but
in
a
lot
of
instances
that
isn't
happening
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
So
what
we
said
is
the
the
table
and
the
ordinance
should
be
used
and
if
there's
a
good
justification
for
changing
it.
L
It'll
make
folks.
You
know,
erosion,
control
and
stormwater
will
be
a
top
tier
item,
as
opposed
to
one
of
the
last
things
they
think
about,
which
is
often
the
case.
You
get
the
next
one
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
take
into
account
that
the
climate's
changing
our
rain
events
are
changing.
L
That
should
be
kind
of
baked
into
all
of
this,
and
we
also
should
be
thinking
about
how
to
design
our
best
management
practices
with
a
higher
degree
of
of
certainty
that
they're
going
to
work.
So
so
this
last
kind
of
bullet
point
is
getting
kind
of
wonky.
But
but
there's
you
know
when
these
are
designed,
the
confidence
interval
is,
is
often
a
lot
lower
and
so
we're
saying,
let's
make
sure
that
it's
it.
L
L
You
know
green
infrastructure.
We
really
think
is
kind
of
the
key
to
get
us
to
where
we
want
to
go,
and
so
what
we
mean
by
green
infrastructure.
You
guys
probably
know
this,
but
you
know
just
to
reiterate,
you
know
we're
talking
about
rain
gardens,
we're
talking
about
storm
water.
Wetlands
we're
talking
about
rain
barrels
infiltration
as
opposed
to
running
off
and
shooting
the
water
straight
into
the
stream
and
in
a
lot
of
instances
we're
finding
that
green
infrastructure
is
cheaper.
L
It's
better,
it's
more
attractive,
it's
more
preferred,
but
it's
not
often
used
as
nearly
as
much
as
we
would
like
it
to
be
used,
and
we
really
couldn't
find.
And
if
you
guys
know,
we
really
couldn't
find
a
silver
bullet
to
say
it'll.
It
has
to
be
used
in
every
instance,
or
it
has
to
be
used
almost
all
the
time.
You
know
what
vadilla
presented
is
a
huge
first
step.
L
So
what
we
you
know,
what
our
recommendations
on
green
infrastructure
are
are
ways
to
to
make
it
the
preferred
method
for
the
city
of
asheville,
so
to
make
it
clear
that
green
infrastructure
is
not
only
tolerated,
but
it's
preferred
and
that
that
includes
throughout
the
ordinance,
mentioning
green
infrastructure
naming
what
it
is.
You
know
saying
that
it's
a
it's
a
tool
that
should
be
used
as
opposed
to
something
that
is
kind
of
outside
of
the
box.
L
So
that's
really,
where
you're
getting
kind
of
credits
from
your
your
your
stormwater
fee
for
doing
certain
green
infrastructure
improvements,
a
density
bonus
for
green
infrastructure,
fast
tracking,
when
green
infrastructure
is
used-
and
you
know
really
coordinating
you
know
at
the
city
level,
the
city-
you
know
really
doing
a
good
job
to
coordinate
green
infrastructure
across
a
lot
of
different
departments
because
it
isn't
just
a
storm
water
department.
It's
a
streets
issue,
it's
a
you
know:
public
works
storm
water,
so
it
it
really
is
kind
of.
L
L
So
this
is
just
a
fancy
graph
to
say
what
I
just
said.
You
know
green
infrastructure
and
stormwater
are
you
know
integrated
throughout
a
lot
of
departments
in
the
city
and
without
you
know,
those
departments
really
working
well
together.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
to
the
place
that
we
really
think
we
should
and
so
we're.
You
know
this
is
part
of
what
we're
doing
is
to
we've
had
a
bunch
of
meetings
with
city
staff.
L
Talking
to
you
guys,
talking
to
you
know
we'll
start
to
talk
to
elected
officials
and
really
hope
we
can
incorporate
this
philosophy
as
we
move
forward,
because
I
think
most
folks
recognize
it's
important,
but
really
you
know
really
making
sure
it
happens
is
what
we're
trying
to
do.
You
can
go
the
next
one.
F
And
I
think
this
is
where
I
pick
up
again.
Thank
you,
hartwell
yeah.
We
did
look
at
the
question
about
budget
and
whether
the
fees
are
enough
and
whether
we
should
have
you
know
more
money
devoted
to
this
effort.
F
Greg
was
helpful
in
that
he
we
talked
to
him
about
what
budget
there
had
been
and
where
he
saw
issues.
We
looked
at
the
latest
report
at
the
time
that
was
available,
and
we
also
then
compared
our
budget
and
fees
with
those
of
similar
communities
in
our
region,
like
greenville
south
carolina,
greenville,
north
carolina
roanoke
to
see
how
that
might
you
know
how
we
might
fit
in
there
next.
F
Oh,
this
doesn't
quite
look
the
way
it
should,
but
I
guess
it'll
work.
I
guess
the
translation
from
one
version
to
another
doesn't
look
quite
as
good,
but
the
point
is
that
you
see
where
we
fit
in
there.
We're
right
in
the
middle
of
the
population
range,
not
not
small,
but
not
too
big.
F
We
have
a
similar
budget
to
many
of
the
other
communities,
except
if
you
look
down
there
at
greenville
north
carolina
40
to
50
staff
members
at
the
current
time,
and
if
you
look
on
the
far
right,
you'll
see
the
fee
that's
charged.
This
is
a
residential
fee
per
thousand
square
feet
of
impervious
surface
so
that
we
could
make
a
fair
comparison
across
the
board
and
you
see
we're
charging
199
for
that
thousand
square
feet.
The
high
is
268
in
greenville
north
carolina
and
roanoke
is
the
lowest.
F
You
know
in
some
of
these
cities
like
greenville,
south
carolina
and
greenville
north
carolina
are
actually
not,
as
you
know,
mountainous.
They
don't
have
as
much
topography
as
we
do.
They
don't
have.
They
might
have
farther
ways
to
go
perhaps
to
carry
their
storm
water,
but
they
don't
have
huge
volumes
coming
down
down
down
downrange,
I
guess
you'd,
say
and
so
that
you
know
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
different
situation.
F
Greenville
north
carolina
did
a
great
study,
a
fee
study
rate
study
about
I
think
three
years
ago
now
and
came
up
with
a
clear
understanding
that
what
they
were
charging
then
versus
what
was
needed
over
the
next
10
or
15
years.
You
know
the
graph
just
started
going
from
close
to
very
far
separated
where
the
trajectory
was
not
in
a
good
direction,
and
so
they,
their
rate
study,
was
very
helpful
in
that
way
and
they
went
back
and
the
city
council
did
approve
a
big
increase
in
their.
F
I
think
a
20
to
25
percent
increase
in
their
fees,
which
came
into
to
to
kind
of
got
approval
right
before
covet
and
everybody
like
all
of
us
here
in
asheville.
They
stopped
adding
any
fees
and
kind
of
held
tight,
so
they
haven't
implemented
it,
but
you
can
see
they
went.
I
don't
know
what
the
origin
25
less
than
268,
but
25
is
a
pretty
big
increase.
F
So
next,
what
our
recommendations
were
about
the
budget
and
fees
is
that
right
now
we're
not
currently
staffed
at
a
high
enough
level
to
do
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done
right
now.
People
in
the
stormwater
division
are
basically
keeping
trying
to
keep
their
heads
above
water
trying
to
take
care
of
replacements
just
when
things
come
apart
and
they're
they're
not
able
to
get
ahead
they're,
not
able
often
to
to
do
the
kind
of
work
that
they
would
like
to
do.
F
We
know
that
with
development
and
climate,
the
pressures
and
stresses
are
going
to
increase,
so
the
utility
really
does
have
to
increase
the
level
of
services
just
to
keep
where
we
want
to
be
where
we
are
now,
and
that's
not
even
talking
about
getting
ahead
of
the
curve
at
all.
It's
just
saying,
if
you're
just
barely
making
it
now-
and
you
know,
things
are
going
to
grow,
you
got
to
plan
for
that,
and
then
you
got
to
add
on
the
climate
change
impacts.
F
So
what
we
would,
what
we
would
suggest
is
that
we
have
a
budget
increase
and
maybe
that
the
utility
considers
re-emphasizing
some
other
some
elements
that
they
might
be
not
focusing
on
right
now,
because
they
don't
have
enough
staff
strategic
planning.
We
talked
to
them
and
they
said
many
times.
They
would
love
to
have
more
opportunity
to
plan
thinking
ahead,
but
they
just
didn't
have
the
people
and
the
time.
F
We
also
think
it's
really
important
that
they
focus
on
water,
quality
improvements
and
the
implementation
of
the
capital
improvement
program.
There's
a
whole
list
of
projects
that
don't
seem
to
get
implemented
because
there's
not
enough
money
or
people.
F
I
think
we
we
have
talked
as
hartwell
mentioned.
We've
talked
to
the
stormwater
staff,
the
planning
and
development
staff,
and
we
had
a
meeting
in
the
last
couple
weeks
with
kathy
ball
and
greg
and
mark
ryan,
the
new
stormwater
director
and
some
other
staff.
So
we've
had
a
good
set
of
back
and
forth
and
they've
been
very
supportive
study
itself.
F
We
know
it's
just
really
important
for
our
economy
again,
even
if
you
don't
care
about
anything
else,
the
economy
is
important
to
consider
and
we
also
feel
like
it
would
be
just
unfortunate
to
not
implement
the
things
that
were
already
identified
in
the
2018
comp
and
resilience
plans
which
we
did
see
happening
in
the
2007
flood
reduction
force
recommendations.
They
didn't
a
lot
of
that
stuff,
probably
didn't
get
implemented,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
be
the
same
again
after
this.
F
The
question
really
is:
what's
the
city
willing
to
do
to
protect
the
community
from
from
flooding
and
the
loss
of
properties
and
to
protect
the
river,
which
is
a
key
economic
driver
in
this
whole
region?
Those
are
our
final
thoughts
and
and
we're
continuing
our
conversation
with
with
city
staff
and
as
as
hartwell
suggested.
Our
next
hope
is
to
plan
to
discuss
this
with
some
of
the
elected
folks
and
see
where
we
go
from
there.
F
I
guess
with
that
we
would
take
questions.
I
think
that's
the
the
next
slide.
Kira
is
just
questions
yep.
Thank
you.
L
I'll
add
one
final
piece:
I
think:
we're
hoping
that
we'll
get
city
staff
on
board
and
have
a
joint
recommendation,
so
we're
we're
doing
that
right
now
having
a
lot
of
conversations
with
staff,
but
I
think
there'll
be
a
point
where
we'll
probably
come
back
to
you.
Guys
and
say
you
know
here
are
here-
are
combined
recommendations
from
c
steph
and
us
and
we'd,
like
you,
know,
stacy's
support
or
input
on
that.
L
Yeah
yeah,
that's
a
good
question
of
that
one
clear!
That's
basically
just
saying:
here's,
an
here's,
a
sub
watershed
or
a
you
know:
it'd
really
be
a
watershed.
So
let's
say
like
town
branch,
nasty
branch.
I
mean
that's
a
good
one,
because
it's
going
to
be
listed
as
impaired.
You
know,
and
it
has
a
watershed
plan
that
riverlink
has
done
so
that
may
be
an
area
where,
if,
if
they,
if
the
city
implemented
our
recommendations
to
say
impaired
streams
should
be
considered
as
a
watershed
overlay
zone,
they
would
take
the
town
branch
watershed.
L
So
this
is
part
of
the
watershed
overlay
zone
and
there
and
therefore
it
triggers
x,
y
and
z,
sort
of
additional
stormwater
protections
that.
L
It's
used
widely,
like
the
state
uses
it
for
a
bunch
of
water
quality
measures.
I
don't
know
if
any
cities
have
done
that,
but
it
is
already
in
the
city
of
asheville's
ordinance.
It
just
isn't
being
implemented.
Like
the
cities
will
do
you
know
water
supply
watersheds,
high
quality
watersheds,
I'm
sorry
the
state
does
that,
but
that's
a
good
question
amber.
We
should
find
out
if
I
think
the
answer
is
yes,
but
I
don't
know
for
sure.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
both
for
a
great
presentation,
marshall,
taylor's
been
kind
of
keeping
me
informed,
but
I
did
have
a
question
about
private
property
and
sort
of
the
residential
contribution
to
stormwater
and
those
other
municipalities
that
you
investigated.
Do
you
know
if
any
of
them
have
resident
assistance?
Programs
like,
for
example,
raleigh
has
a,
I
think
they
call
it.
Rainwater
rewards
where
they
have
sort
of
a
cost
sharing
to
help
residents
implement
stormwater
green
infrastructure.
C
Did
the
task
force
address?
I
guess
private
property
at
all.
F
I
I
don't
remember
me
just
answering
the
first
part,
hartwell
and
just
jump
in.
I
don't
remember
sorry
tim,
whether
the
other
communities
have
that
program.
I'll
have
to
look
and
let
you
know
if,
if
we
did
that,
we
talked
to
them
quite
a
while
ago,
and
it's
just
not
sticking
in
my
brain
right
now.
F
L
Tim,
I
don't
know
if,
if
those
few
we
looked
at
with
the
same
rates,
but
we
did
look
at
a
few
like
raleigh
and
some
others
that
were
yeah
some
kind
of
incentive
programs
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
came
up
with
the
harvesting
recommendation.
But
you
guys
are
also
really
smart
about
this.
So
if
there's
something
that
jumps
out
of
you
like,
oh
there's,
this
great
program
or
this
great
tool,
you
know,
let
us
know.
C
Yeah
thanks,
I
know
there's
you
know
the
stormwater
fee
for
most
residents
is
not
very
high,
so
that's
not
necessarily
a
good
incentive
if
it's
like
less
than
a
hundred
dollars
a
year,
but
having
a
cost
share
program
can
really
help.
F
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
tim-
we
did
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
with
greg
and
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
and
with
other
people
is
the
money
to
do
the
cost
share.
How
do
you
get
that
and
you
know
yeah,
so
it
I
think
we
definitely
looked
at
raleigh.
I
think
charlotte
might
have
one
too
maybe,
but
but
it's
a
little
bit
of
challenge
for
a
community
our
size
compared
to
them.
I
think.
L
But
yeah
tim
we
were,
we
were
thinking,
I
think,
we're
thinking
less
of
a
rebate
on
your
feet
and
more
of
more
of
what
you're
suggesting
I
think
that
was
well.
B
A
A
L
Yeah,
I
think
what
we
recognize
with
the
fee.
I
mean
what
we
heard
from
city
staff.
A
bunch
is,
we
can't
do
everything
we're
supposed
to
do
right
now.
So
how
are
we
going
to
do
all
these
additional
fees
with
no
additional
resources,
and
I
think
we
realized
asheville-
is
a
little
bit
under
resource
not
significantly
compared
to
our
neighbors,
but
but
a
fee
increase
is
not
is
not
out
of
the
realm
of
what
everyone
else
is
doing.
F
Right
and
that
would
pay
for
some
staff
to
be
able
to
do
some
of
this
more
work
more.
You
know
I
mean
it's,
not
that
many
of
them
aren't
are
not
aware
or
interested
is
they
haven't,
had
the
capacity
to
do
the
work,
and
that
means
more
people
and
also
some
more
money
to
do
some
of
these
things
like
in
you
know
green
infrastructure
and
other
things
that
might
on
sometimes
cost
more
to
get
born
and.
L
And
I'll
just
hit
on
you
know
the
the
timing
of
it
all
is
that
the
city
of
asheville
has
a
legal
obligation
to
meet
its
stormwater
permits
and
one
of
the
things
in
their
permit
says.
If,
if,
if
what
you're
doing
is
not
working,
then
you
have
to
do
more
and
the
fact
that
water
quality
is
getting
worse
is
indicative
that
it's
not
working.
So
we
have
a
legal
mandate,
but
we
also
have
just
a
you
know:
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
to
protect
our
river
and
we
have
this
economic.
L
H
A
D
Great
well
thanks.
Thank
you
guys
I'll,
keep
it
somewhat
brief
and
just
give
a
quick
overcap
for
those
on
on
stacy
and
to
the
public,
who
who
may
not
be
aware,
but
the
working
group
that
we
have
going
met
with
a
local
volunteer
group,
who's
really
enthusiastic
about
having
a
microgrid
installed
to
support
critical
services.
D
D
At
the
end
of
the
day,
there
is
an
abundance
of
people
with
experience,
personal
and
professional
experience
in
implementing
microgrids
in
other
areas
of
the
country
and
they're
looking
at
specific
locations
within
asheville
city
buildings,
to
look
at
installing
solar,
combined
with
a
battery
system
to
have
a
micro
which
would
support
you
know
at
minimum
the
fire
and
police
station,
which
is
downtown,
although
when
they
first
presented
this
idea,
it
was
on
multiple
buildings
downtown.
D
So
where
we
are
now
is
that
we've
heard
them
and
they've
been
working
with
bridget
to
get
some
data
and
right
now,
I
believe
they
have
approval
to
do
an
energy
audit
of
the
police
and
fire
station.
So
they've
got
a
group
in
collaboration
with
unca.
D
I
believe
who
will
be
going
to
that
building
to
do
and
a
walk-through
of
the
building
to
understand
the
assets
that
are
at
that
building,
which
would
in
turn
inform
you
know
what
may
be
needed
as
it
relates
to
the
energy
needs
of
that
building.
So
they
can
propose
a
project
that
makes
sense
to
that
building.
Right
at
first,
they
proposed
a
very,
very
thorough
system,
which
you
know,
although
it
was
fantastic,
the
feasibility
of
it
seemed
pretty
small
to
me
personally.
D
So
that's
a
quick
update
on
microgrids,
I'm
happy
to
talk
more
about
that.
If
you
guys
like
and
the
energy
legislation,
there's
a
link
that
that
clicks
to
hb951,
I
believe
it's
the
name
of
it
is
the
first
time
I
heard
about
it.
Although
it's
been
around
for
a
while
and
it's
gone
through
a
few
revisions
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
has
a
pretty
great
outcome,
which
is
the
north
carolina
utilities.
D
Commission
is
going
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
be
you
know,
70
carbon
reduction
from
2005
levels
and
I
believe,
there's
a
deadline
to
deliver
that
plan
by
the
end
of
next
year.
If
I
remember
correctly,
and
then
furthermore,
it
also
includes
for
the
commission
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
be
carbon
neutral
by
2050,
and
I
believe
both
of
those
plans
were
due
by
next
year,
so
fantastic
piece
of
legislation
that,
in
theory,
will
produce
a
lot
more
renewable
energy
in
the
state.
D
Assuming
the
plan
gets
adopted
and
that
you
know
the
least
cost
method
which
perhaps
is
controversial,
will
lead
to
some
more
renewable
generation
in
our
state
to
work
us
towards
a
lower
carbon
emitting
energy
generation
state.
So
quick
talking
points
there
happy
to
discuss
it
more.
If
we
have
time
or
interest.
A
Okay,
great
well,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item.
3E
the
waste
reduction
working
group
allison
is
going
to
give
us
a
update
on
composting
drop-off
locations.
G
Great
I'll
keep
it
short
since
we're
running
low
on
time,
but
just
so
everybody
knows
the
city
now
has
compost
drop-off
locations,
so
you
can
you
need
to
register,
and
then
you
can
drop
off
your
compost
at
one
of
these
locations
and
I
will
actually
put-
or
I
think
that
cure
is
going
to
show
the
website
on
the
screen.
Maybe
the
city
website
I
was
going
to
put
in
the
chat,
but
basically
you
just
register
for
your
food
scraps
drop
off.
G
There
you
go
and
then
you
get
a
little
compost
bin
and
then
you
can
drop
it
off
at
two
different
locations:
stevenslee
rec
center
or
the
buncombe
county
landfill.
G
Another
way
you
could
get
your
compost
bin
is
to
do
a
workshop
through
greenworks
and
they
have
those
those
are
listed
on
their
events,
page,
which
I'm
going
to
put
in
the
chat,
but
I
realize
that
people
on
the
call
cannot
see
that.
But
basically
you
just
look
up
greenworks
events
and
you
will
find
the
upcoming
ones
there's
one
on
november,
8th
november,
4th
november
4th.
G
So
the
waste
reduction
subcommittee
has
been
very
busy
maggie's
on
that
with
me,
the
wnc
food
waste
reductions,
solutions
group
is
has
a
website,
so
there's
a
lot
going
on
with
the
food
waste
reduction
space
and
also
with
plastic
reduction.
So
there's
a
plastic
reduction
task
force
that
has
also
been
active
and
we
and
maggie-
and
I
attend
those
meetings
as
well.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
kyra
is
on
the
call
as
well.
G
This
is
a
great
way
to
keep
that
organic
waste
out
of
the
landfill
and
to
make
it
into
great
soil.
So,
let's
all
compost.
H
Quick
question
with
the
registration:
is
there
a
limit
to
the
number
of
people
that
can
participate
and
and
if
a
household
is
participating,
does
everyone
in
the
household
have
to
register
or
is
it
just.
G
One
per
household
one
household
and
I'm
not
sure
about
the
limit
that
might
be
a
cure
question.
G
This
is
a
pilot
program,
so
we
we
want.
We
want
to
show
enthusiastic
participation,
it's
meant
just
for
your
household
scraps,
not
for
like
massive
amounts.
Kiera.
Do
you.
J
J
We
do
have
a
limited
number
of
kitchen
countertop
bins
and
we
hope
to
be
able
to
re-up
that
collection
with
support
from
the
natural
resources.
Defense
council
food
matters
grant
project,
but
there
may
be
a
lag
in
availability
of
those
totes
yeah,
but
we
hope
to
be
able
to
expand
the
program
once
we're
able
to
demonstrate
the
need
and
interest
from
our
community.
C
Yeah,
just
a
quick
question
wondering
if
what
kind
of
maybe
research
was
done
of
of
who
would
be.
This
would
be
intended
for
versus
doing
your
own
composting
in
your
yard.
You
know
it
would
be
people
mainly
living
in
apartments
or
because
I
know,
there's
probably
a
carbon
footprint
just
associated
with
bringing
this
food
scraps.
J
Sure,
yeah
yeah
you're
absolutely
right
and
that's
why
we're
really
co-doing
collaborative
outreach
between
the
backyard
composting
initiative
and
the
food
scraps
drop-off
program,
because
if
you
are
in
an
area
where
you
have
access
to
the
ability
to
backyard
compost
or
to
compost
at
your
community
garden,
and
you
can
walk
there
with
your
little
bin
and
we
know
that
household
food
waste
is
our
is
our
largest
contributor
to
our
food
scraps
going
into
the
landfill.
J
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
ser
to
serve
the
whole
community,
and
we
understand
that
many
people
live
in
multi-family
units
or
renters
and
don't
have
the
ability
to
install
backyard
compost
and
or
live
in
high,
bear
traffic
areas
and
don't
feel
safe,
doing
backyard
composting.
And
so
this
is
an
alternative
and
certainly
not
instead
of
in
addition
to
backyard
composting.
G
And
that's
why
the
greenworks
workshops
are
helpful,
because
then
you
can
explore
all
those
options,
but
if
you
feel
like
you,
don't
need
the
workshop
and
you
just
want
to
go
ahead
and
get
your
bin.
You
can
just
register.
So
there
are
two
avenues
to
participate.
D
Yeah
quick
question:
as
someone
who
has
had
many
lessons
learned
about
composting
in
my
backyard,
is:
do
you
guys
have
dedicated
resources
who
will
help
manage
this
on
a
weekly
monthly
basis,
especially
making
sure
there's
enough
carbon
in
there?
So
you
don't
scare
everyone
away
with
the
smell.
J
That
is
a
really
good
question
and
an
important
distinction.
The
food
scrap
drop
off
is
actually
being
serviced
by
a
commercial
compost,
operation
danny's
dumpster.
So
it's
really
just
a
collection
point,
because
if
your
backyard
composting
or
composting
at
the
community
garden,
you
can
run
into
all
sorts
of
issues
when
you're
managing
your
your
carbon,
your
nitrogen,
your
balance
and
your
moisture
and
it's
a
little
bit
of
mad
science,
and
so
we
are
not
composting
ourselves
as
a
city,
but
we
are
offering
the
service
as
a
food
scrap
drop-off
program.
J
A
A
M
Oh,
yes,
sorry
I
didn't
realize
I
touched
this.
My
computer
yeah
so
first
step.
If
you
would
like
to
do
this,
you
need
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda
and
add
the
letter
of
support
that
vadilla
inquired
about,
and
you
can
add
that
to
old
business.
G
Can
I
make
a
comment
before
we
make
that
motion
yeah?
So
I
don't
I
wanna
as
maggie,
and
I
are
the
subcommittee
I
just
wanna
check
in
with
maggie
there
and
and
and
see
if
we
wanna
wait
a
little
bit
before
this
letter,
because
there
was
some
collaboration
with
the
urban
forest
commission
and
there
were.
There
were
certainly
concessions
made.
G
I
think
some
of
you
kind
of
alluded
to
that
in
your
questions,
because
dropping
down
to
a
five
percent
amount
is
is
a
big
drop
and
some
members
of
the
urban
forest
commission
were
trying
to
get
that
number
to
seven.
G
F
Yeah,
it's
not
an
easy
problem
to
solve.
I
remember
you
know
I
was
involved
in
the
early
discussions
and
I
it's,
I
think,
they're
really
trying
to
do
great
work
with
very
limited
options
and
it
becomes
one
of
trade-offs
and
where
do
you
get
the
most
impact
for
what
you
can
manage
to
incentivize,
because
obviously
this
the
state
legislature
is
not
going
to
help
us
at
all.
I
B
Maggie
allison
and
I
have
another
meeting
with
the
ufc
on
monday,
and
I
I
would
feel,
can
you
guys
hear
me.
A
B
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
having
that
meeting
now
that
everything
has
sort
of
been
finalized
and
just
clarifying
some
things
with
them
and
then
drafting
something
up
and-
and
I
realized
that
they're
you
know
I
we
their
deadline
is
sort
of
november
3rd.
So
that's
before
our
next
meeting,
but
maybe
we
can
figure
something
out
anna.
I
don't
know
what
that
process
looks
like,
but
if
we
could
draw
something
up
for
next
week
and
then
maybe
circulate
that
somehow,
even
if
it's
not
a
formal,
you
know
a
less
formalized
letter.
B
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
waiting
until
that
next
meeting
happens.
A
M
I
think
that
the
best
thing
to
do,
I
believe,
is
allow
maggie
and
allison
to
meet
with
ufc
and
draft
a
letter
and
then
from
there
I'm
not
sure
which
way
to
go,
but
at
the
very
least
it
could
potentially
go
to
like
the
climate
work
working
group.
M
So
that
may
be
an
option
and
also
I
would
like
to
check
in
with
the
city
clerk's
office
and
see
how
else
we
can
do
it
yeah.
So
that's
that's
my
immediate
thought
recommendation
there
and
you
are
right.
Keith.
We
usually
have
public
comment,
although
there's
not
a
way
to
take
public
comment,
virtually.
A
However,
anybody
that
is
listening
virtually
right
now
can
feel
free
to
send
their
public
comment
in
on
the
matter
if
they
would
so.
A
So
do
we
want
to
vote
to
add
it
to
today's
agenda
is
where
I
guess,
I'm
back
up.
H
No,
I'm
happy
to
motion
make
a
motion
to
add
to
the
agenda
the
a
vote
that
allows
maggie
and
alison
to
write
a
letter
that
we
will
determine
the
fate
of
after
we
hear
the
rules.
C
A
F
A
H
A
C
A
C
I
A
Allison
hi-
and
I
am
also
an
I
okay
next
item
number
five
is
new
business
coming
up
is
our
annual
report.
It
feels
like
we
just
did
this,
I'm
going
to
be
contacting
each
working
group
again,
like
I
did
last
year
and
email
you
all
a
template,
it'll
be
the
same,
pretty
much
template
that
was
sent
out
last
year
for
you
all
to
help
me
fill
out
and
then
I'll
compile
it
all
into
an
annual
report.
A
That
is
due
pretty
sure
january
forgot
to
look
at
that
date.
So
we
have
a
few
months
to
work
on
this,
but
just
keep
that
on
your
radar
and
I'll
be
keeping
in
touch
with
you.
All
on
that
I
felt,
like
I
saw
hand,
go
up
keith
hand.
Yes,.
A
We
are
not
meeting
in
december,
apparently
we're
not
meeting
again
until
january,
where
we
we
would
then,
but
wait,
no
amber.
M
Well,
we're
having
a
gathering
in
december
yeah.
A
You
want
so
we're
planning
on
doing
a
gathering
in
december
in
lieu
of
our
meeting,
because
we
can't
meet.
M
A
Correct,
however,
that
won't
be
a
voting
meeting
just
a
social
meeting
and
yeah
like
she
said
we
will
be
sending
out
details
about
that.
H
We
have
a
water
quality
and
air
quality
conference
next
thursday
and
friday
I'll
send
you
details,
there's
some
interesting
star.
A
Awesome
great
all
right.
Well,
we
are
two
minutes
past
due
I'll.
Let
you
guys
go.
Thank
you
so
much
for
all
your
participation,
great
work,
everyone
on
their
presentations
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
all
in
december,
in
person
and
thank
you
to
the
off
sustainability,
kira
amber
bridget
peggy.
I
think
she
just
jumped
off
from
the
city
was
all
here.
We
appreciate
everyone.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.