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A
You
all
right
good
morning,
everyone
we
are
starting
off
with
a
bit
of
a
delay.
We
appreciate
your
patience.
We
had
some
technical
difficulties.
I
appreciate
everyone
on
the
consortium
for
standing
with
us
and
christina
for
figuring
it
out.
So
I
am
councilwoman
sage
turner.
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
our
asheville
regional
housing
consortium
meeting.
Today.
All
committee
members,
art
and
staff
are
participating.
A
Virtually
we
appreciate
your
patience
and
we
are
going
to
be
streaming
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
available
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
of
the
city's
website.
It
also
is
linked
on
our
committee
website
page.
We
have
an
option
for
dialing
in
for
the
public
to
listen
and
comment
live
by
phone.
That
phone
number
is
855-925-2801.
A
Meeting
code
is
8763,
that's
8763.!
If
you're
out
there
listening
today,
thank
you
and
for
joining
us
and
welcome
I'm
gonna
we're
gonna
shuffle
the
agenda
just
a
little
bit,
so
I'm
gonna
do
a
roll
call.
Then
we're
gonna
jump
right
to
item
three
and
get
an
update
from
a
guest
speaker
and
presentation.
So
I'm
gonna
go
through
this
roll
call,
real,
quick
and
no
in
random
order.
Robin
merrell,
if
you
could
say
here
present.
E
A
You
know
karen
today,
ben
woody.
F
Eric
won't
be
sorry,
this
is
councilmember
preston,
blake,
luke
town
to
fletcher.
Eric
won't
be
president,
I'm
here
in
his
place.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Alex
carpenter.
H
A
C
C
C
A
Okay,
great,
we
are
all
here
and
we
are
going
to
jump
right
to
item
three
I'll,
be
calling
out
the
agenda
items
as
we
proceed
today,
but
we
are
rearranging
our
agenda
due
to
the
late
start.
So
item
news
at
three
new
business:
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
4.7
million
dollar
home
arpa
awards,
and
we
have
a
guest
speaker
with
us
today
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
brian
husky
to
do
an
introduction.
J
Yeah
so
good
morning,
everybody
I'm
brian
huskey,
and
I
work
in
the
community
development
office
with
paul
d'angelo
and
I'm
the
homelessness
lead
for
the
city
of
asheville.
I've
got
a
very
quick
slide.
Presentation
just
want
to
give
you
kind
of
the
highlights
of
the
american
rescue
plan
home
funding
allocation
of
4.7
million
dollars
so
paul.
If
you've
got
that
slide,
deck
ready,
that'd
be
great,
and
so
this
this
is.
J
It
is
it's
an
interesting
allocation
that
that
we
have
received-
and
this
was
part
of
the
american
rescue
plan.
There
was
five
billion
dollars
allocated
in
the
american
rescue
plan
for
to
address
homelessness,
and
it's
in
particular.
This
allocation
has
some
eligible
uses
that
aren't
typical
for
home
funding
and
so
just
kind
of
want
to
review
those
really
quickly
before
I
turn
it
over
to
philip
mangano,
but
basically
what
what
these
dollars
are
intended
to
do.
It's
it.
It's
a
it's
a
it's
dollars.
J
The
capital
commitment
for
permanent
housing
solutions
for
the
targeted
populations
could
also
be
used
to
upgrade
or
bring
about
shelter
units
that
that
may
be
needed
that
don't
exist
and
it
was
allocated
using
the
regular
home
formula,
but
it's
targeted
specifically
to
address
homelessness.
So
next
slide,
please
paul
so
in
in
the
meeting
folder
that
has
been
created
or
the
home
art
funding
folder
that
has
been
created
there.
J
There
is
a
lot
of
detail
in
there
on
the
regulations
and
statutes
that
I
have
cited
on
this
particular
slide,
but
the
qualifying
populations.
We
won't
go
in
too
much
into
detail,
but
there
are,
as
many
of
you
may
know
or
may
not
know,
particular
definitions
of
homelessness
and
those
are
part
of
the
mckinney-vento
homeless
assistance
act.
It
was
amended
in
2009
by
the
hearth
act,
and
so
these
dollars
are
targeted
to
folks
who
are
experiencing
homelessness,
as
most
people
typically
see
it.
J
Folks,
who
are
encamped,
who
are
on
the
streets
or
in
emergency
shelters
in
places
not
meant
for
human
habitation
or
at
risk
of
homelessness
and
again,
if
you
want
to
dive
into
the
particulars
of
that
in
that
in
that
folder,
there's
a
a
a
extensive
pdf
of
each
of
these
things
from
us
code
that
are
that
are
cited.
All
these
definitions,
people
who
are
fleeing
or
attempting
to
flee
domestic
violence
or
dating
violence,
sexual
assault,
stalking
or
human
trafficking
or
eligible
populations,
and
then
other
populations
were
supported.
F
C
J
Okay,
well
so,
and
and
these
funds
can
also
be
targeted
to
use
for
to
serve
veterans
and
families
that
include
a
veteran
family
member.
So
again,
we
won't
get
too
far
in
the
weeds
of
these.
The
regulations
around
this
and
they're.
G
J
Eligible
activities,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
there
are
a
couple
of
things
that
are
new
with
this
pot
of
of
funding
the
typical
things
and
things
that
we
have
certainly
done
with
our
home
funding
in
the
past
tenant-based
rental
assistance,
which
we
have
used
for
a
couple
of
different
organizations.
D
J
Include
supported
services
for
the
targeted
population
and
and
also
purchase
and
development
of
non-congregate
shelter
and
shelters
that
that
can
be
used
as
permanent
standing
shelters
or
could
be
later
converted
to
permanent
supportive
housing
units.
So
those
two
last
two
categories
there
are
unusual
and
that
home
funding
those
are
not
eligible
activities
normally,
so
it's
an
it
provides
an
interesting
mix
and
it
really
is
sort
of
a
once
in
a
generation
opportunity
for
these
funds
to
have
a
very
strategic
impact.
J
You
know,
of
course,
we'll
talk
about
asheville.
We
have
our
numbers
here,
but
on
the.
D
J
Slide
we'll
talk
about
a
point
in
time
count
from
other
counties
in
the
consortium,
but
here
in
asheville,
if
you
look
at
our
total
numbers
of
people
who
experience
hopelessness
as
counted
in
that
time
frame
in
january,
when
each
community
that
receives
continuum
of
care
funding
is
obligated
to
do
account
of
folks
who
are
both
sheltered
and
unsheltered.
J
These
are
the
numbers
that
we've
seen
over
the
last
11
years
here
in
asheville,
and
if
you
look
at
one
of
the
things
that
becomes
pretty
apparent
is
that
the
numbers
really
have
remained
within
the
same
range
for
a
very
extended
period
of
time.
Now,
if
you
go
back
even
more
than
the
11
years
that
are
shown
here,
there's
not
been
any
radical
differences
year
over
year,
and
so
this
indicates
to
me
a
couple
of
things.
J
We
just
simply
don't
have
enough
of
that
stock,
and
so
until
we
do
have
enough
units
that
are
specifically
targeted
to
serve
individuals
and
families
experiencing
homelessness,
we'll
never
see
significant
drops
in
these
numbers,
we'll
sort
of
keep
our
chin
above
the
water
line,
and
so
that
all
the
combined
resources
in
the
american
rescue
plan
these
dollars,
along
with
some
emergency
rental
assistance
and
emergency
housing
vouchers
allocated
to
the
housing
authorities,
really
are
an
interesting
alignment
of
resources
that
we've
not
seen
previously
to
this
level.
Next
slide,
please!
J
So,
looking
at
our
other
counties
that
participate
in
our
consortium,
I
didn't
I
was
wasn't
able
to
find
county
by
county
data
for
each
year,
but
for
the
years
that
I
was
able
to
look
at
it,
you
know
henderson
county
seems
to
have
a
a
fairly
significant
number
and
in
in
some
years,
a
fairly
significant
number
of
folks
who
are
unsheltered.
J
It's
you
know
occurs
with.
You
know
a
little
less.
C
J
Okay,
so
looking
at
the
numbers,
you
know
it's
that
there
are
numbers
of
folks
in
the
in
the
other
three
counties
in
the
consortium
and
and
the
numbers
that
jumped
out
at
me
when
I
was
looking
in
this
in
particular,
was
the
number
of
folks
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness
in
the
most
recent
year,
where
we
had
an
unsheltered
count
in
henderson
county.
J
The
reason
why
I
don't
have
2021
data
is
because
communities
were
not
required
to
do
a
point
in
time
count
of
their
unsheltered
populations,
and
so
these
three
other
counties
are
part
of
a
different
continuum
of
care
than
asheville
and
buncombe
county
are
so
they
did
not
do
an
unsheltered
count
in
2021,
so
we
did,
and
so
our
numbers
are,
are
you
know
inclusive
of
the
unsheltered
population,
but
I
wanted
to
just
give
everyone
a
sense
of
what
the
scale
and
scope
of
homelessness
is
in
other
counties,
and
so
I'm
going
to
now
turn
things
over
to
our
special
guest.
J
For
today,
mr
philip
mangano
is
here.
J
He
is
the
former
director
of
the
united
states,
interagency
council
on
homelessness,
served
under
two
different
presidential
administrations
and
now
leads
the
abolitionist
roundtable,
which
is
a
group
of
folks
working
together
to
end
homelessness
in
the
united
states
and
in
particular
he
has
been
working
with
a
group
of
folks
out
in
california
doing
hotel
and
motel
conversions
for
permanent
supportive
housing,
one
of
which
we
already
have
an
example
in
progress
with
the
days
in
that's
been
acquired
by
homeward
bound
and
being
converted
to
permanent
supportive
housing.
J
But
there
are
other
opportunities
that
that
exist
not
only
here
in
asheville
but
in
other
counties
as
well,
but
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
mr
mangano
and
let
him
speak
about
federal
strategies,
about
housing,
first
about
existing
conversions
efforts
and
why
they
are
important
to
scale
up
and
and
provide
a
potentially
robust
and
relatively
quick
address
of
of
homelessness
in
communities
across
the
united
states.
So
phil
floor
is
yours.
J
K
Thank
you
so
much
brian,
I
appreciate
being
here,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
the
leadership
of
counselor
turner
in
terms
of
chairing
the
the
group
that's
meeting
here
today
and
am
very
appreciative
of
the
conversation
yesterday
with
councillor
turner
in
terms
of
just
discussing
some
of
the
nuances
of
housing,
homeless,
people
and
the
differences
in
approach.
So
very
appreciative
of
that
leadership.
K
I'm
certainly
glad
to
be
back
in
asheville
when
I
was
in
washington.
As
brian
indicated
heading
up
the
united
states
interagency
council
on
homelessness.
I
actually
journeyed
to
asheville
on
a
number
of
occasions.
In
a
number
of
those
occasions,
it
was
actually
to
announce
increased
funding
for
asheville
so
that
that
theme
it
continues
to
today.
So
I'm
happy
that
there's
a
continuity
of
coming
to
asheville
to
talk
about
new
resources
that
will
be
available.
K
That
asheville
will
be
able
to
leverage
in
to
the
efforts
that
are
already
being
made
here
really
to
supplement
and
complement
the
good
work.
That's
already
going
on
and
given
the
time
constraint
I'll
just
I
won't
do
the
entire
history
of
homelessness
in
the
united
states
of
america,
but
I
will
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
right
now
in
terms
of
the
new
resources
that
are
available
through
the
home
art
money
that
brian
presented
and
then
what
a
new
opportunity
is
for
asheville,
specifically
in
relation
to
that.
K
So
there's
a
lot
of
attention
being
paid
to
the
issue
in
washington,
and
certainly
the
4.7
million
dollars
targeted
to
this
area
is
a
tangible
expression
of
all
of
that
communication
from
washington.
So
how
did
we
get
here
in
terms
of
the
new
application
of
home
monies?
That
brian
rightly
said?
There
are
some
new
things
in
this
allotment
that
aren't
common
to
home.
K
Well,
as
we
know,
homelessness
was
addressed
probably
most
significantly
in
terms
of
a
change
of
strategy
a
number
of
years
ago,
when
permanent,
supportive
housing
short-termed
as
psh
found
its
way
into
policy
making
the
idea
of
creating
housing
with
support
services
for
the
most
vulnerable
and
disabled
of
populations
and
any
other
population
that
was
for
which
it
was
needed,
whether
it
was
an
economic
hardship
or
again,
some
form
of
behavioral
or
physical
health
issue.
So
permanent
supportive
housing
has
been
proven
around
our
country
to
be
an
effective
solution
for
people
experiencing
homelessness.
K
The
difficulty
has
been
all
over
the
country
not
only
here
in
the
asheville
area
and
in
this
consortium
arena,
but
throughout
the
country,
is
that
the
number
of
units
created
were
disproportionate
to
the
size
of
the
problem,
and
what
that
means
simply
is
that
our
efforts
need
to
be
concentrated
on
scaling
up
the
number
of
units
increasing
the
number
of
units
to
be
somewhere
commensurate
to
the
size
of
the
problem.
That's
how
we'll
escape
simply
shuffling
and
cycling
homeless.
K
People
around
our
communities,
psh
itself
was
upgraded,
not
that
many
years
ago,
maybe
15
years
ago,
by
something
called
housing.
First-
and
I
know
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
notion
of
housing.
First,
it's
the
simple
notion
that
what
the
consumer
prefers
is
a
place
to
live.
When
you
ask
homeless
people
directly
what
they
want,
they
never
ask
for
a
pill,
a
program
or
a
protocol.
K
They
asked
for
a
place,
a
place
to
live,
and
what
housing
first
did
was
respond
to
that
consumer
demand
in
terms
of
positing
that
housing
is
the
most
important
intervention
in
the
lives
of
homeless
people
and
housing
itself
has
a
therapeutic
impact
on
those
lives
and
is
the
appropriate
nexus
point
for
the
delivery.
The
efficient
and
effective
delivery
of
all
of
those
services
that
we
deemed
to
be
necessary
in
restoring
many
broken
lives
and
the
lives
of
disadvantaged
people
back
into
the
community.
K
So
housing
first
really
ramps
up
a
change,
the
equation
of
homelessness,
to
put
housing
as
the
first
objective
and
then
all
of
the
services
to
support
again,
because
that's
a
more
effective
and
efficient
way
to
go
about
it.
All
of
that
brings
us
to
the
new
resources
that
are
available
in
the
home
monies
and
they
really
can
amp
up
what
asheville
is
doing
targeted
to
creating
those
units
scaling
up
the
number
of
units.
What's
particularly
interesting
in
the
home.
Art
money
is
a
provision
that
that
money
can
be
utilized
for
hotel
motel
conversion.
K
Well,
where
did
that
come
from
well
in
los
angeles
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
an
initiative
began
to
actually
without
state
or
federal
support,
purchase,
hotels
and
motels,
convert
them,
usually
by
dropping
in
a
kitchenette
so
that
they
were
effectively
studio
apartments
and
make
those
converted
hotel
and
motel
units
available
to
homeless
people.
For
many,
it
would
be
just
starter
housing,
the
beginning
of
their
resumption
of
housing,
but
it
would
provide
them
with
a
tendency
and
a
starting
point
to
go
into
other
housing.
K
K
The
new
governor
of
california
gavin
newsom,
who
I've
known
for
some
20
something
years
while
he
was
the
a
supervisor
in
san
francisco,
then
he
became
the
mayor
of
san
francisco
for
two
terms:
two
terms:
the
lieutenant
governor
of
of
of
california
and
now,
of
course,
in
his
first
term
as
governor
of
california.
K
His
issue,
of
course,
coming
from
san
francisco.
Any
of
us
who
have
visited
san
francisco
know
you
better
be
paying
attention
to
homelessness
in
san
francisco.
But
what
he
learned
as
governor
when
he
went
out
talking
to
mayors
and
county
executives
all
over
california,
was
that
every
mayor,
every
county
executive
in
the
first
few
sentences
of
identifying
what
their
community
needed
they
indicated
that
they
needed
some
help
on
homelessness.
K
So
he
was
looking
for
innovative
ideas
and
he
recognized
that
we
needed
to
get
people
off
the
street
out
of
encampments
out
of
shelters
and
into
housing
and
in
an
innovative
session
that
we
actually
did
for
him
in
san
bernardino,
california,
of
five
different,
innovative
ideas.
The
one
that
he
focused
on
most
specifically
was
the
idea
of
the
conversion
of
hotels
and
motels
for
homeless
people,
because
it
was
an
initiative
that
literally
ended
the
homelessness
of
people.
K
So
as
a
result
of
that,
he
adopted
the
conversion
of
hotels
and
motels
during
covid
hotels
and
motels
were
rented
and
people
were
placed
in
them
to
isolate
them
and
keep
them
safe
in
terms
of
covid.
But
in
fact
the
next
step
in
that
process
was
homekey,
which
is
the
key
initiative
in
california
and
homelessness,
and
that
is
the
notion
again
of
purchasing
hotels
and
motels
and
making
them
available
as
essentially
studio
apartments
for
homeless
individuals.
The
governor
made
an
investment
a
couple
of
years
ago
of
about
600
million
dollars.
K
K
This
initiative
worked:
it
moved
people
out
of
doorways
off
the
streets
out
of
encampments
out
of
shelters
and
into
housing,
not
all
of
them,
of
course,
because
they,
the
n
in
in
california,
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
who
need
this
kind
of
housing,
is
about
150
000.
K
So
you
can
be
thankful
when
you
saw
the
numbers
for
your
region
here
that
your
numbers
are
nowhere
near
that
you
have
a
finite
number.
It's
a
doable
number,
but
the
initiative
that
was
launched
in
california
actually
touched
on
communities
your
size.
The
concept
was
proven
there
and
the
the
the
evidence-based
practice
of
housing
first
was
the
central
strategy
in
terms
of
that
effort
all
across
california,
as
a
result
of
the
success
in
california.
K
That's
good
news,
because
that's
an
initiative
that
has
been
proven.
The
data
supports
that
it
works
and
it's
an
effort
that
will
increase
the
number
of
units
that
are
specifically
targeted
to
homeless
people.
That's
what's
necessary
in
every
community
in
our
nation
and
the
provision
of
doing
hotel,
motel
conversion
allows
communities
to
move
in
that
direction.
So
we've
heard
lots
from
lots
of
places
in
our
country
about
how
do
you
do
this?
What
are
the
mechanisms
to
do
it?
K
Fortunately,
here
in
your
area,
there's
a
a
robust
interest
in
this
brian
and
paul
have
been
interested
in
this
concept
so
that
that's
an
important
ingredient.
One
additional
opportunity
for
asheville,
though-
and
one
might
say
it's
a
rare
opportunity,
maybe
even
a
once
in
a
decade.
Opportunity
for
asheville
is
that
in
california,
the
original
people
who
were
doing
the
hotel
motel
conversion-
it
was
a
development
in
construction
company
of
a
very
wealthy
individual
who
was
a
professional
football
player,
came
back
to
southern
california
started
a
construction
company
had
great
success.
K
He
built
ritz
carlton's.
He
built
lots
of
buildings
that
are
used
by
the
federal
government,
but
in
the
process
of
building
all
of
those
buildings
that
he
built
in
los
angeles.
He
couldn't
help
but
be
touched
by
the
number
of
homeless
people
that
he
saw
in
encampments
and
on
the
streets
as
a
result
of
that
one
of
his
missions
as
a
for-profit
developer
became
creating
initiatives
that
would
be
helpful
in
moving
people
off
the
street
and
specifically
in
ending
their
homelessness.
K
That
organization
is
known
as
shangri-la
they
partnered
with
a
service
organization,
one
of
the
best
in
the
country
step
up
which
was
based
in
in
santa
monica
hollywood
in
various
other
parts
of
southern
california,
and
is
now
expanded
to
central
california
and
is
now
in
several
places
in
the
southeast.
K
That
combination
of
that
construction
agency,
with
their
expertise,
combined
with
the
expertise
and
experience
of
step
up
in
terms
of
providing
services
that
stabilize
people,
they
have
a
97
retention
rate
after
a
year
in
the
work
that
they
do
in
taking
the
most
vulnerable
and
disabled
people
and
placing
them
in
housing
and
supporting
them
with
the
services
that
they
need
to
sustain
their
tenancy.
So
it
was
a
brilliant
combination.
K
That's
what
triggered
the
governor
of
california
to
make
this
a
statewide
initiative.
Well
that
very
same
entity.
Shangri-La
has
because
of
the
commitment
of
its
founder,
andy
myers.
It's
made
a
half
a
billion
dollars
available
in
california
and
in
other
places
in
the
country,
for
the
the
acquisition
and
the
rehab
of
hotels
and
motels,
and,
as
we
learned
yesterday
in
a
in
a
meeting
such
as
this,
they
are
willing
to
make
resources
available
in
asheville
for
acquisition
and
rehab.
K
What
that
would
mean
for
asheville
is
that,
rather
than
utilizing
some
of
the
home
arp
resources
for
ac
rehab,
which
you
can
do
that
would
be
covered,
it
would
bring
literally
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
to
asheville,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
hotel,
motel
initiative
here
in
asheville.
So
the
four
components
of
hotel,
motel
conversion
are,
of
course,
acquiring
the
hotel
rehabbing.
K
The
hotel
lots
of
that
is
to
make
it
more
habitable,
bring
it
up
to
code,
but
also
dropping
a
kitchenette
in,
so
that
each
of
the
rooms
becomes
a
studio
apartment
and
then
the
additional
elements
are
the
services
that
are
needed
to
support
the
tenancies.
We're
not
naive.
We
know
that
vulnerable
people
need
support
services.
We've
learned
over
the
last
25
to
30
years
that
housing
without
support
services
for
the
vulnerable
sets
them
up
for
failure.
That
was
part
of
the
failure
of
deinstitutionalization
of
the
past.
K
We
don't
want
to
repeat
that
error,
but
we
also
have
learned
that
services
without
housing
leave
people
randomly
ricocheting
through
our
community,
impacting
on
emergency
rooms
of
hospitals.
We
know
that's
true.
We
had
hospital
people
that
we
talked
to
yesterday.
Police
fire
department,
incarceration
and
court
costs,
so
the
combination,
which
is
the
genius
of
permanent
supportive
housing
of
housing
with
support
services.
That's
what
works.
K
Hollywood,
one
of
the
destination
spots
in
our
country
and
the
work
that
they've
done
in
florida
is
in
other
destination
spots.
They
understand
the
issue
that
destination
spots,
such
as
asheville
and
the
surrounding
area
face
in
terms
of
homelessness.
So
that
expertise
both
in
supporting
the
tenancies
and
then
creating
the
housing
comes
with
both
shangri-la
and
step-up.
K
So
there's
a
again
a
rare
opportunity
for
asheville
to
take
advantage
of
the
resources
that
are
being
made
available
by
shangri-la
in
certain
communities
around
the
country
and
the
intent
of
shangri-la
and
step
up
are
simply
to
supplement,
what's
already
going
on
in
the
local
community.
To
add
to
it.
We
recognize
in
our
country.
K
No
community
has
sufficient
resources
on
its
own
to
create
the
number
of
units
necessary
to
get
the
job
done,
to
decrease
chronic
homelessness,
to
decrease
veterans
homelessness.
So
the
intent
of
shangri-la
in
step-up
are
to
come
in
and
complement.
What's
are
the
good
things
that
are
already
going
on
in
your
region
through
your
initiatives
here
in
this
area?
So
there's
the
idea
of
competition
is,
is
moved
aside
to
a
more
complementary
effort
in
terms
of
their
working
to
increase
the
resources
that
are
available
to
increase
the
units
available
in
your
community.
K
So
that's
kind
of
an
overview
of
the
opportunity.
That's
now
available
here
in
this
region,
and
it
really
comes
out
of
a
federal
government.
That's
been
responsive,
put
more
money
on
the
table,
a
private
sector,
individual
philanthropist
that
understands
that
making
communities
better
is
part
of
his
larger
mission
in
life,
because
he's
already
done
sufficient
things-
and
this
is
part
of
his
payback,
but
he
is
of
shangri-la-
is
for-profit.
K
They'll
come
in
and
they'll
make
investments
and
they'll
just
as
people
who
do
low-income
housing
and
quote-unquote,
affordable
housing.
We're
not
naive.
All
of
those
entities
make
a
profit
unless
they're
non-profits,
but
the
vast
majority
of
affordable
housing
in
our
country
has
been
actually
built
by
for-profit
entities
that
make
somewhere
in
the
vicinity
of
six
to
six
and
a
half
percent,
and
I
think
that's
the
intentionality
of
shangri-la.
K
The
important
thing
for
ashfield
to
realize
is
they
don't
need
to
come
to
asheville?
Necessarily
they
can
go
to
many
other
places
in
the
country
who
would
be
eager
to
receive
literally
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
of
acquisition
and
rehab
resources
that
would
be
made
available.
The
good
news
for
the
community
is
that
they
kind
of
are
360..
They
do
it
all
they
buy,
they
rehab
they
do
property
management.
They
can
provide.
G
K
Services
necessary
to
support
the
tenancies,
so
there's
nothing
that
would
be
lacking
in
terms
of
what
they
can
potentially
bring
to
the
community
and
that's
part
of
shangri-la's
intentionality,
to
give
back
and,
of
course,
for
the
community.
It's
part
of
the
intentionality
to
create
the
units
that
are
necessary
to
reduce
homelessness.
So
that's
a
quick
overview
of
the
opportunity.
That's
in
front
of
asheville
right
now,.
A
Thank
you,
phillip.
Sorry,
I
had
a
delay
on
the
mute
button.
We
appreciate
all
of
that,
but
we
have
some
wow.
We
have
some
room
for
questions
and
does
anyone
on
the
committee
or
consortium?
Sorry,
I
have
any
questions
robin
go
ahead.
E
Good
morning,
phillip,
I
met
you
sometime
in
the
2000s
when
you
were
here
for
the
opening
of
the
woodfin
apartments,
I'm
actually
the
person
who
authored
the
tenure
planned
end
homelessness,
which
you
told
me,
was
a
good
one,
because
it
was
short
yeah.
But
I
wanted
to
ask
you
so
how
does
shangri-la
actually
make
their
profit.
C
K
The
intention
out
of
shangri-la
and
again
they've
done
this
in
a
number
of
places
in
california.
So
it's
a
pretty
set
process,
they
buy
they
acquire
and
they
simply
require
fair
market
rent
to
be
paid
for
the
units
and
the
efficiency
they
bring
because
again
they're
a
development
company
but
they're
a
construction
company
as
well.
K
It's
simply
in
operating
the
hotel
that
they
not
only
provide
for
the
operating
expenses,
but
also
there's
a
small
single
digit
profit
that
they
come
out
and
actually,
I
think,
primarily
in
california,
they've
kind
of
reinvested.
They
wouldn't
say
this,
of
course,
because
they're
for-profit
they
they
want
to
betray
their
secret,
but
I
think
pretty
much.
They
just
reinvest
the
profit
into
doing
more
of
of
hotel
motel
conversions.
K
There
probably
will
do
about
20
conversions
in
california
in
this
next
round
of
of
homekey,
but
they've
already
done
a
number
of
hotel
conversions,
many
of
them
oriented
to
homeless
veterans
and
have
increased
the
stock
of
housing
for
homeless
veterans,
for
example,
in
los
angeles,
there
are
about
3,
500,
homeless
veterans,
so
there's
a
big
appetite
for
creation
of
that
kind
of
housing
and
the
general
community
as
good
work,
as
it
did
just
wasn't.
Creating
sufficient
units
to
address
that
issue,
so
shane
roloff
stepped
in,
and
he
has
a
particular
concern
about
homeless
veterans.
K
K
His
preferred
intentionality
is
around
homeless
veterans,
but
certainly
in
the
other
hotels
that
he's
developed
with
step
up
providing
the
services
they've
been
oriented
to
chronic
people
experiencing
chronic
homelessness.
So
those
are
kind
of
his
focus
is
on
veterans
and
on
people
experiencing
chronic
homelessness
and
in
california,
they've
done
a
really
great
job
again.
K
A
97
retention
rate,
I
think,
speaks
to
not
only
the
way
in
which
they
fix
up
the
hotel,
so
it's
a
place
that
you
would
want
to
live,
but
also
the
expertise
that
step
up
brings
as
a
primarily
a
mental
health
agency.
That's
been
in
existence
for
about
35
years
and
for
the
last
20
years
has
focused
attention
on
homeless
people
and
for
the
last
15
years
has
developed
housing
on
its
own.
So
the
level
of
expertise
that
this
partnership
brings
is
in
development,
in
construction
and
in
providing
social
services.
K
Yeah,
the
the
intentionality
is
again
they'll
provide
the
act
rehab.
What
they
need
the
community
to
step
up
on
are
the
vouchers
and
actually
brian
and
I
are
going
over
to
meet
with
the
housing.
K
Today,
to
talk
to
them
about
what
vouchers
might
be
available,
what
kinds
of
we
know
there's
a
new
round
of
hud
vash
coming
up
soon.
So
what
are
the
opportunities
there,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
ehvs
that
have
just
been
announced,
the
emergency
housing
vouchers
and
then
before
that
there
was
another
round
of
generic
vouchers
that
were
made
available.
We
believe
that
there
will
be
more
housing
of
vouchers,
though
I
did
see
that
the
president
announced.
G
K
That
he's
officially
gone
from
the
3.5
bill
trillion
to
the
1.75
trillion.
K
I
think
some
of
his
intentionality
around
amping
up
housing
resources
in
the
country
has
been
compromised,
but
nonetheless,
even
within
the
1.75
trillion,
which
is
a
lot
of
money,
there
is
a
batch
of
new
housing
resources
that
will
be
made
available
throughout
the
country.
So
I
think,
on
the
voucher
side,
I
think
there
were
real
opportunities
in
asheville
to
get
that
checked
off
as
well,
so
you'd
have
acquisition,
check,
rehab
check
and
then
you'd
have
also
the
voucher
check.
K
K
It
should
be
a
combination
of
health
resources
in
a
variety
of
communities
in
california,
we've
seen
the
the
health
community,
whether
it's
a
hospital
or
a
managed
care
operator
they
benefit
when
this
population,
who
are
generally
high
flyers
and
health
systems,
some
of
the
most
expensive
people
on
the
call
that
we
had
yesterday
the
a
hospital
was
represented
and
when
we
talked
about
homeless
people
coming
into
the
emergency
room,
his
head
was
bobbing
like
a
bobble
head
and
when
he
talked
to
the
issue
he
indicated
yeah,
he
saw
lots
of
homeless
people
in
the
hospital
and
the
average
cost.
K
We
know
around
the
united
states
of
an
emergency
room
visit,
but
because
by
federal
law,
as
you
well
know,
by
federal
law,
when
someone
comes
to
the
emergency
room,
tests
have
to
be
applied.
The
average
cost
of
an
emergency
room
visit
is
a
thousand
dollars
without
pharmaceuticals
without
hospital
admission,
and
that
doesn't
count
the
ambulance
ride.
That
often
takes
the
person
to
the
hospital.
K
So
he
knows
that
there
are
cost
savings
if
people
are
placed
in
housing,
because
the
research
has
indicated
over
the
years
in
many
many
places
all
over
the
world
that
hospital
admissions,
especially
to
the
acute
side
of
hospital
care
in
the
emergency
room
decline.
When
people
have
the
stability
of
a
place
to
live,
and
there
are
other
costs
I'll.
Just
give
one
quick
anecdote.
There's
a
small
community
in
san
bernardino
county,
it's
the
name
of
it
is
redlands.
K
It's
a
a
local
community
of
about
80
000
people.
It
was
determined
that
they
had
a
a
pit
count
similar
to
your
own
here
in
asheville.
It's
in
in
some
ways
a
destination
spot
in
san
bernardino
county,
because
it
has
a
lot
of
history
in
it,
but
they
recognized
that
they
had
a
lot
of
homeless
people.
So
they
wanted
to
do
something.
The
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
appointed
a
small
group
of
people
in
city
government
to
look
for
what
would
the
opportunities
be?
K
The
first
opportunity
they
came
up
with
was
fiberglass
sheds
and
in
my
many
many
years
of
working
on
this
issue.
I
never
heard
that
as
an
as
one
and
given
that
redlands
is
in
a
very
warm
place,
we
were
contemplating
what
kind
of
air
conditioning
would
be
necessary
for
fiberglass
shed.
K
Needless
to
say,
when
we
intervened
on
that
process
and
we
made
other
opportunities
available,
they
wanted
to
visit
all
the
different
opportunities
and
we
we
had
them
come
to
various
opportunities,
the
one
that
they
loved
the
most
was
a
hotel,
motel
conversion.
That's
going
on
in
san
bernardino
county
right
on
historic
route,
66
a
motel
of
74
units,
half
of
it
was
already
operating.
They
came
and
visited
that
they
realized
that's
what
they
wanted
to
see.
K
What
was
instrumental
in
that,
though,
was
that
part
of
the
contingent
of
people
who
were
assigned
by
the
city
to
look
at
what
should
be
the
the
strategy
that
they
adopted
in
fact
we're
the
fire
chief
and
the
police
chief.
Why
them?
Because
of
course,
they
are
constantly
interacting
with
homeless
people,
absorbing
a
disproportionate
amount
of
resources
of
police
time
and
firefighter
times,
because,
of
course,
firefighters
are
responding
to
people
down
in
the
street
and
homeless.
People
aggregate
greatly
in
that
cohort
and
then,
of
course,
the
police
chief
as
well.
K
In
fact,
it
was
the
police
chief
who,
when
a
hotel,
motel
conversion
looked
good
to
them
being
done
somewhere
else.
He
said
that
that
would
be
his
preferred
opportunity,
because
the
the
place
in
redlands,
where
they
got
the
most
calls
for
police
interventions,
was
in
fact
a
hotel
that
was
being
used
for,
shall
we
say,
untoward
activities,
sometimes
rented
by
the
hour,
sometimes
selling
goods
that
were,
we
would
say,
contraband
goods.
So
he
was
eager
for
that
particular
hotel
called
the
good
night
inn,
ironically
to
be
converted.
K
So,
ironically,
it
was
the
it
was:
the
police
chief
and
the
fire
chief,
not
the
homeless
providers,
but
the
police
chief
and
the
fire
chief,
who
were
most
supportive
of
that
idea
and,
of
course,
that
won
the
day
with
the
city
councillors,
they
voted
unanimously
to
proceed
with
a
hotel,
motel
conversion.
So
there
are
a
variety
of
reasons
why
communities
proceed
in
terms
of
increasing
the
number
of
units
and
redlands?
K
That
was
what
what
they
were
doing
and
again
it's
a
kind
of
a
destination
spot
with
a
similar
population
to
to
asheville
in
a
surrounding
area
similar
to
the
surrounding
area.
A
rural
surrounding
area
similar
to
the
environments
of
asheville.
L
Sure,
philip,
I
appreciate
coming
to
speaking
to
us
and
spending
the
time
here.
Let
me
lower
my
hand,
as
the
prompt
says
you
know
in
my
time,
working
in
affordable
housing,
one
of
the
red
flags
that
that
I've
developed
is
when
you
find
an
affordable
housing
developer
who's,
often
a
successful
lucrative
market
rate
developer.
Who
has
a
change
of
heart
and
decides
that
he
noticed,
or
she
noticed
one
day
that
you
got
to
start
helping
people
and
that
often
aligns
with
the
profit
motive
as
well.
L
You
know
that
is
our
deliverable.
Not
a
financial
return,
we
want
to
see
units
impact
the
communities
in
this
consortium
that
raises,
and
even
perhaps
greater
concern
when
you
get
to
the
the
very
difficult
work
of
supportive
housing-
and
you
know
we
have
a
project,
as
you
said
in
bryan
side,
with
the
days
in
that
came
up
from
our
community
and
came
up
from
an
established
entity
that
provides
services
to
our
homeless
community
and
ask
for
for
quite
a
while,
and
that
project
is
still
in
motion.
L
I
think
they
still
have
to
to
fill
out
some
of
their
their
capital
needs
before
they
can
finish
it.
But
there's
this
conversation,
that's
already
occurring
in
this
area
about,
as
brian
mentioned,
the
point
in
time,
count
which
is
stay
relatively
consistent.
I'm
glad
that
brian
also
mentioned
the
data
for
our
surrounding
counties,
because
this
is
you
know
just
with
affordable
housing.
Support
of
housing,
homelessness
and
mental
health
is
something
that
doesn't
stop
at
the
border
of
a
town
or
county.
L
These
are
systemic
problems,
but
you
know
the
days
in
project
again
spent
years
developing
consensus.
It
was,
it
was
delivered
to
people
like
chairman
turner,
buncombe,
county
and
others
when
they
supported
it
as
also
a
project
that
really
incorporated
and
incorporated
the
costs
needed
to
support
the
operation
and
service
of
these
folks
and
and
that's
one.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
feel
is
a
really
good
model.
L
It's
also
one
that
was
sold
as
as
delivering
85
units
to
the
highest
needs
individuals
in
that
spectrum
of
540
folks,
you
know
I
I
really
like
what
you've
described.
I
I
really
like
a
lot
of
the
things
you've
described
in
california.
My
question
to
you
would
be
what
is
the
the
virtue
of
going
and
pursuing
a
group
like
this?
You
mentioned
they
don't
need
to
be
in
asheville
or
henderson
county
madison
transylvania.
L
They
can
be
anywhere.
Why
should
we
expend
energy
pursuing
a
group
like
this,
when
we
perhaps
have
a
model
locally?
That
is
very
successful
that
we
should
perhaps
look
to
build
on,
and
you
know
I
think
this
again.
This
conversation
as
I've,
understood
it
and
grown
to
understand
over
the
last
few
years,
is
again
that
that
spectrum
of
folks,
some
some
of
these
85
or
540
folks,
will
need
the
days
in
some
may
need
a
project
like
the
short
michigan
that
we
supported
two
years
ago.
That's
a
less
intensive
kind
of
support
service.
L
Some
may
need
shelter,
kind
of
that
whole
idea
of
a
continuum
of
care,
but
what's
the
for
us,
why?
Why
should
we
spend
time
pursuing
this
shangri-la
if
we've
already
got
something
in
our
backyard,
and
you
know
I
know
that
seems
rather
good,
but,
let's
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
needs
here.
What's
the
pursuit?
What's
the
reason
to
pursue
this
group
versus
others.
K
Sure
I
appreciate
everything
that
you
said
andrew,
because
I
think
they're
all
worthy
questions.
K
K
He
still
does
his
significantly
profit
motivated
development,
things
like
the
ritz,
carlton,
hotel
and
other
hotels
that
he
builds
he's
still
doing
all
that
he's
not
changed
what
his
whole
company
does
to
do,
simply:
housing
for
homeless
people,
it's
just
an
offshoot
by
which
he
gives
back
for
the
success
that
he's
had
why
people
do
that.
I
think
we
all
know
people
who
have
done
that
in
their
life,
sometimes
in
a
small
way,
sometimes
in
a
big
way.
So
again,
it's
not
a
change
of
heart.
K
It's
just
an
addition
in
some
ways
to
the
mission
that
he
has
for
himself.
One
of
his
missions
is
to
make
money
for
his
family
and
for
his
employees.
Another
mission
is
to
give
back
to
assist
people
who
are
disadvantaged.
So
I
want
to
be
clear
that
this
is
not
his
only
part
of
his
business.
He's
retained
all
of
the
other
things
that
he
does
he.
K
He
really
doesn't
need
to
do
this
in
a
certain
way,
but
has
chosen
to
do
it
just
as
you
probably
know
in
nashville
mike
kerb
who's,
a
famous
record
producer.
He
was
lieutenant
governor
of
california
for
a
while
he's
made
a
lot
of
money
in
the
music
industry
when
he
moved
to
nashville,
he
gave
the
money
to
create
a
center
for
homeless
veterans.
He
didn't
have
to
do
that.
It's
not
what
he
does,
but
he
wanted
to
do
that
for
their
sake,
so
in
a
similar
way
that
that's
what
andy
meyers
has
done.
K
Secondly,
I
would
say
to
your
larger
question
of
we've
already
got
something
going
here.
Why
would
we
want
to
change
what
we're
doing
as
I,
as
I
said,
this
intention
is
simply
to
supplement
what
you're
already
doing
and
what
I've
discovered
in
most
communities.
They
do
have
something
that's
already
going
on:
it's
not
to
displace
that
it's
not
to
replace
it.
K
That's
why
the
federal
government
is
giving
more
resources
in
terms
of
the
home
arp
money,
because
it
recognizes
that
local
communities
don't
have
the
resources
that
are
necessary
in
terms
of
why
it's
important
to
supplement
you,
you,
you
need
only
again
to
look
at
national.
I
was
just
in
nashville,
I'm
sorry
for
the
allusions
to
nashville,
but
I
was
just
there
what
I
learned
in
nashville
that,
as
you've
done
with
the
days
in
they
did
a
significant
hotel,
motel
conversion.
K
K
Demonstrations,
pilots
exist,
but
they
never
are
commensurate
with
what
the
actual
need
is,
and
I
think
what
we've
done
in
our
country
is:
we've
turned
the
corner
for
this
population.
We
know
what
to
do
and
we
know
how
to
do
it.
The
issue
is
scaling
what
we
know
how
to
do
the
the
evidence-based
practices
that
we
know
how
to
do,
scaling
them
again
to
be
commensurate
with
the
size
of
the
problem.
So
I
would
say
in
response
to
what
you
said:
it's
great
brian
has
fully
briefed
me
on
the
days
in
model.
K
I
think
it's
a
great
one.
I
think
it's
great
that
you're
moving
forward
and
creating
many
units
for
the
homeless
people,
but
when
I
look
at
the
pit
count
that
single
initiative
is
not
commensurate
and
my
understanding
is
that's
absorbed
quite
a
bit
of
resources
in
this
county,
so
the
opportunity
for
asheville
and
surroundings
is.
K
K
K
When
I
look
at
the
numbers
that
brian
has
indic
and
what
brian
has
indicated
is
that
there's
a
certain
stagnancy
now
so
here's
an
opportunity
to
ramp
up
the
number
of
units
that
will
have
a
direct
impact
on
the
numbers
that
we're
seeing
we'll
get
those
numbers
going
in
the
right
direction.
So
I
think
that's.
What
is
why
asheville?
K
Well,
one
of
the
reasons
is
that
step
up
the
social
service
provider
has
a
foundation
that
supports
them
doing
services
and
I
think,
a
little
bit
of
that
money
will
be
extended
to
asheville,
even
though
it's
slightly
outside
of
the
southeast
that
they
prefer
so
step
up
has
been
doing
this
work
in
in
the
southeast
and
frankly,
it
was
I
who
brought
to
their
attention
asheville,
because
it's
one
of
the
communities
essentially
in
the
southeast
arena.
K
Maybe
I
think
you
think
of
yourself
as
the
southeast,
but
whether
you
do
or
not
it's
one
of
the
destination
spots
in
the
southeast
and
there's
a
particular
expertise
that
step
up
is
developed
by
virtue
of
its
work
in
california,
where
almost
every
other
community
is
a
you
know.
K
You
go
to
santa
barbara,
santa
cruz,
santa
monica
hollywood,
they're
all
destination
communities,
and
there
is
a
specificity
of
intentionality
and
the
provision
of
services
and
destination
communities
that
step
up
has
indic
has
developed
over
the
years,
and
so
when
they
were
looking
at
other
places,
they
could
go.
I
wanted
them
to
go
beyond
simply
atlanta
and
nashville.
K
F
K
Suggested
that
they
think
about
asheville,
I
knew
the
good
work
that
was
being
done
here,
I've
known
brian
for
a
number
of
years
from
the
past,
as
robin
indicated,
I
was
involved
and
complementary
to
the
10-year
plan
that
was
developed
a
number
of
years
ago,
so
I
suggested
that
it
would
be
a
good
place,
because
one
of
the
intentions
of
shangri-la
and
step-up
are
to
be
active
in
a
community
that
actually
gets
those
numbers
approximating
zero,
and
I
think
asheville
is
one
of
those
places
that
that
could
happen.
K
And,
frankly,
the
numbers
in
the
adjoining
communities
are
not
intimidating.
They
also
can
be
remedied.
So
there's
a
real
opportunity.
I
think,
to
do
something
very
unique
and
there's
a
an
opportunity
that
you
have
to
leverage
a
lot
of
private
resources
into
your
community
without
the
concerns
that
I
share
with
you,
andrew
about
people
scaling
things
down.
In
fact,
what
you'll
find-
and
I
invite
you
to
do-
a
pilgrimage
to
southern
california?
You
could
visit
the
places
that
step
up
and
shangri-la
have
done,
and
what
you'll
find
is
that,
rather
than
skimping,
it's
the
opposite.
K
They
kind
of
customize
spaces
and
the
services
that
step
up
provides
are
customized
to
the
people
who
they're
serving,
and
the
other
thing
that
you
should
be
aware
of
andrew
is
that
when
shangri-la
comes
in
they'll
own,
the
building,
they'll
rehab
it
so
in
their
portfolio
going
forward,
and
they
also
do
covenants
to
preserve
the
affordability
of
that
space
for
many
many
years
in
san
bernardino,
where
they
did
that
renovation
that
I
alluded
to
on
route
66
at
74
unit
they've
signed
with
the
community
a
55-year
covenant
to
preserve
the
affordability
of
the
units
they're
creating
so
if
by
a
miracle,
and
we
pray
for
miracles
daily
in
this
work,
that
homelessness
is
reduced
to
not
needing
that
hotel
any
longer.
K
K
A
Thank
you,
phillip
and
I'll,
just
chime
in
to
say
I
know
when
we
entered
the
pandemic.
We
started
housing
folks
in
emergency
shelter
situations
both
at
the
our
civic
center
and
then
we
relocated
them
to
a
hotel,
and
I
know
I
personally
was
interested
in
that
hotel
perhaps
becoming
permanently
supportive.
So
I
would
say
that
we,
you
know
we
do
need
more
of
these
opportunities
in
our
community.
So
I'm
glad
to
be
discussing
it
and
that's
just
like
other
housing
development.
We
need
more
developers
at
the
table.
A
We
need
more
people
that
can
do
these
kinds
of
projects
to
come
to
asheville.
So
we
could
probably
absorb
a
couple
of
these
very
quickly.
L
This
is
for
sage
and
paul.
Will
other
potential
applicants
for
these
arpa
funds
have
the
opportunity
to
come
and
present
to
these
to
this
body
and
advocate
for
their
projects?
L
A
Not
aware
that
this
presenter
is
making
an
application,
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
what
is
happening
here.
I
think
this
is
just
information
on
possible
uses
for
the
arpa
funding.
K
I
don't
see
this
opportunity
coming
along,
very
well
where
there's
a
confluence
between
federal
investment
in
a
private
investment
that
can
result
in
a
scaling
of
units.
That's
going
to
happen
all
across
california.
It's
going
to
happen
in
tennessee,
it's
going
to
happen
in
georgia.
It's
happening
in
florida.
It
would
be
great,
of
course,
if
it
happened
in
asheville,
but
that's
up
to
the
community
to
make
a
decision.
Of
course.
H
Yes,
thank
you
and
philip
thank
you
for
being
with
us
today
and
just
a
question
that
I
have
is
as
a
generalist.
So
I'll
ask
it.
I'm
sure
everybody
else
knows
this,
but
when
you
talk
about
success
and
where
this
has
been
done
in
these
communities,
how
long
have
you
been
following
the
full
impact?
Because
I
know
that
biggest
question
we
hear
in
the
area?
H
K
In
terms
of
the
home
key
initiative,
which
was
the
basis
of
the
federal
government
making
this
a
allowable
expense,
that's
been
going
on
for
just
a
year
and
a
half
so
we're
just
getting
the
outcomes
and
the
results
from
communities
again
all
over
california.
K
In
terms
of
that,
first
investment
that
created
6
000
units,
what
we've
discovered
is
the
affordability
matched
up
well
with.
What's.
K
In
terms
of
costs
in
california,
so
one
of
the
mantras
on
this
initiative
in
california
is
it,
creates
units
faster
because
the
motels
are
already
there
cheaper,
because
this
kind
of
creation
of
unit
is
less
expensive
than
building
from
the
ground
up
so
faster,
cheaper
and
when
the
private
sector
has
been
involved
in
a
number
of
the
initiatives
in
california,
it's
faster,
cheaper
and
more.
You
get
more
units
because
the
private
sector
money
is
supplementing
the
money
that
government
is
providing.
K
Now
for
about
seven
years
and
the
kind
of
results
that
they're
seeing
there
as
we
had
todd
lipka
on
with
us
who's,
the
president
of
step
up,
he
has
a
97
retention
rate.
He
measures
us
over
the
year
so
the
first
year
of
operation,
97
of
the
people
who
went
in
stayed
in
and
some
of
the
people
who
went
out
went
out
other
kinds
of
housing
because
not
everybody
once
they
get
stable,
wants
to
live
in
a
refurbished,
motel
room.
K
They
want
a
larger
apartment,
but
even
beyond
that,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
an
initiative
in
nashville
that
was
done
30
years
ago,
never
replicated
because
the
resources
weren't
there
to
replicate
it.
But
in
fact
that
initiative
has
been
going
on
for
30
years.
Brian
was
actually
involved
in
that
initiative.
They've
been
going
on,
in
fact
they're
in
the
process
of
expanding
their
initial
effort.
So
it's
worked.
It's
a
proven
effort.
The
data
and
the
research
say
this
kind
of
initiative.
Work
then
I'll.
K
Add
one
thing
to
that
in
my
own,
I'm
from
boston
in
the
surrounding
year
of
boston.
I
worked
for
many
years
on
this
effort.
We
did
a
number
of
hotel,
motel
conversions
there.
Frankly
that
followed
doing
conversions
of
church
properties
that
became
available
when
they
were
no
longer
needed,
so
nunneries
rectories
churches
themselves.
We
did
conversions
of
those
to
housing
for
homeless
people
and
those
are
still
going,
and
some
of
those
were
converted
in
the
1970s.
K
So
there's
a
long
track
record
of
converting
residential
properties
to
be
housing
for
homeless
people
that
work
and
what
we've
noticed
is
that,
what's
necessary,
is
a
good
developer
so
that
the
property
is
well
developed
and
well
suited
for
the
long
run
and
an
experienced
provider
with
expertise
in
terms
of
trauma-informed
care
and
who
has
experience
in
dealing
with
the
specific
needs
that
homeless
veterans
have
that
chronic
homeless
people
have
who
are
mentally
ill.
The
specific
needs
of
people
who
have
substance,
abuse
issues
and
the
needs
of
people
who
have
employment
issues.
K
Well,
that's
the
kind
of
expertise.
Undoubtedly
you
have
here
in
asheville,
but
that's
certainly
the
expertise
that
step
up
brings
having
a
long
track
record
of
that.
So
the
bottom
line
of
that
response
is
simply
that
there
is
a
long
track
record
of
doing
conversions
of
different
kinds
of
properties
and
it
being
successful
for
homeless
people
stabilizing
their
life,
having
the
therapeutic
impact
that
housing
provides
to
homeless
people
so
that
they
can
get
their
lives
reconstituted,
some
of
them
will
remain.
K
Some
of
them
will
go
on
to
other
kinds
of
housing,
but
there's
a
long
data
driven
research,
oriented
data
that
indicates
that
this
is
an
initiative.
This
kind
of
conversion
makes
sense
and
it
works,
and
it's
less
expensive.
C
A
M
C
K
Is
actually
escorting
me
over
to
the
housing.
K
Authority
so
unfortunately
I
do
need
to
run
them
happy
to
do
another
session
like
this,
where
question
more
questions
can
be
asked.
You
know.
The
final
thing
I'll
say
is
this
is
I
think,
a
great
opportunity
for
asheville
to
leverage
in
lots
of
private
money
to
get
the
job
done
and
you'll
be
bringing
in
expertise
and
experience
both
in
construction
and
development
and
in
services
for
homeless
people?
It's
a
rare
one.
I
don't
often
get
to
do
this,
but
I'm
happy
to
be
an
advocate
for
asheville
in
this
round.
Thank
you.
So
much.
K
A
Yeah,
you
too
all
right
everyone.
So
if
you're
looking
at
the
agenda,
we
have
a
couple
items
on
here.
If
you
have
some
lingering
questions
that
you
would
like,
perhaps
brian
or
phillip,
to
answer,
maybe
you
could
send
them
to
me
over
email
and
I
could
compile
them
and
get
some
input
and
then
report
back
sorry
that
we
had
to
cut
the
time
short.
A
little
technical
delay
has
moved
us
moved
our
entire
calendar.
A
So
if
you're
following
at
home,
we
are
on
a
new
business
and
we're
talking
about
the
arpa
funding
that
4.7
million
dollars
that
has
been
will
be
received
and
how
we're
going
to
execute
it.
So,
as
a
matter
of
procedure,
we
have
some
a
draft
timeline.
We
have
some
materials
for
you
here
and
hopefully
some
of
you
were
able
to
watch
or
attend
the
webinars
I
was
able
to,
but
I
think
paul
you
want
to.
Are
you
on
here
somewhere?
A
M
Good
morning,
sage
and
good
morning,
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
having
philip
and
brian
be
able
to
present
and
yes
under
new
business,
we're
trying
to
share
as
much
materials
as
we
can
on
this
4.7
million
that
we're
going
to
receive
at
the
home
consortium
here
in
asheville
in
the
surrounding
counties,
we've
created
kind
of
like
a
drop
box,
dropbox
format
there
for
home
arpa
materials.
M
What
we're
looking
for
today
with
everybody
is,
we
did
try
to
put
together
a
draft
timeline
to
try
to
think
about
on
this
funding
and
see
if
anyone
has
any
thoughts
or
to
bring
that
back
in
january,
whatever
works
best,
but
trying
to
figure
out
how
best
to
move
this
forward.
M
Knowing
that
we've
got
a
needs
assessment
to
handle
public
outreach
meetings
to
handle
kind
of
the
first
big
things
out
of
the
gate
and
then
a
plan
that
comes
together
so
we've
got
that
timeline
and
then
also
just
regarding
one
other
thought
was
asking
everybody
at
the
consortium,
knowing
that
we
have
to
go
out
into
the
communities,
municipalities
and
the
counties
if
they
would
share
with
us.
Maybe
you
know
three
to
five
to
ten
meetings
that
occur
monthly
in
their
area.
M
That
would
be
a
great
chance
for
us
to
tag
on
to
meetings
and
share
this
information.
M
But
those
two
things
is
something
just
to
chat
about,
and
then
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
education
here
and
a
lot
of
materials.
So
any
and
all
help
is
greatly
appreciated.
M
A
Can
everybody
look
at
this
draft
timeline
working
backwards?
A
C
L
M
A
M
And
we
can
certainly
sage,
you
know
formalize
it
perhaps
in
january,
when
we
have
a
bit
of
time,
I
know
there's
an
immediacy,
you
know
to
a
certain
extent
around
these
funds
and
the
homeless
issue
and
getting
this
money
moving,
but
attending
the
webinars
and
looking
at
at
process
here.
You
know
we
want
to
again
repeating
myself
get
this
right
and
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
heavy
lift
from
the
front
end
when
it
comes
to
public
outreach
and
that
needs
assessment
before
we
really
get
the
ball
rolling.
I
Yeah,
it's
just
a
quick
question.
I
guess
for
clarification.
Can
you
explain
the
need
to
undertake
a
full
additional
needs
assessment
when
we
have
a
broader
needs
assessment
in
place,
because
I
know
that's
going
to
add
time
to
the
schedule
right
like
we
could
run
this
along
with
the
other
regular
process?
M
If
I
understand
correctly,
you
know
with
this
being
much
more
focused
towards
homelessness
and
not
a
lot
of
data
out
there
around
in
the
four-county
consortium
region.
We
want
to
see
if
we
can
conduct
a
needs
assessment
specifically
around
that
issue
more
so
than
we've
seen
in
our
overall
needs
assessment
that
was
done
in,
I
guess,
mid
2020,
and
so
that's
what
we
think
would
be
a
focus.
M
We
don't
think
it
would
be
a
long
needs
assessment
with
that
specific
focus,
but
we
want
to
definitely
get
a
look
at
what
does
homelessness
look
like
in
all
four
counties.
G
A
A
M
Staff
another
it's
a
good
point,
I'll
make
a
note
of
it
as
we
try
to
you
know.
Our
goal
is
to
kind
of
have
kind
of
a
formal
draft
in
january
to
what
this
looks
like
in
the
beginning
of
the
year,
but
I
think
that's
a
good
point
of
making.
We
want
to
make
sure
there's
enough
time
for
everything
here
so
I'll
write
that
down
for
when
we
update
this.
A
Additionally,
I
know
with
our
other
city
council
arpa
funding.
We
extended
the
window
for
applications
because
we
heard
from
folks
that
it
wasn't
enough
time
and
I'm
not
sure,
if
we'll
run
into
that
again,
but
this
window
of
time
between
application
and
announcement
and
due
date
is
also
pretty
small
a
few
weeks.
So
we
may
need
to
I
mean
we
haven't
really
assigned
an
august
date,
but
the
longer
the
better.
I
I
Perhaps,
but
I
feel
like
we're
already
getting
applications
that
are
the
described
projects
that
we'd
be
looking
for
and
if
we
could,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
unnecessarily
delaying
it
to
do
something
that
would
be.
I
guess
my
concern
like
what
are
we
going
to
gain
by
the
time
taken
for
the
needs
assessment?
I
I
You
know
we've
seen,
we've
seen
requests
for
supportive
housing
funding,
support,
we've
seen
requests
for
tenant-based
rental
assistance,
regularly
we're
seeing
requests
for
domestic
violence
focused
housing
issues,
so
I'm
just
again,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
timeline
and
trying
to
think
about
how
we
expedite
it
and
also
give
the
com,
the
community
and
the
applicants
enough
time
to
respond
and
what
you
know
is
necessary
in
order
to
make
that
process
really
start
moving
forward.
M
So
briefly,
to
that-
and
I
appreciate
that
matt-
is
that
it's
a
balancing
act
here
between
the
need
to
get
this
funding
out,
how
to
follow
hud
process
and
honoring
that
process
getting
the
funds
out
and
then
all
within
the
capacity
being
able
to
do
all
this.
M
If
I
understand
correctly,
I
believe
that
the
needs
assessment
is
an
important
part
of
this
process,
and
so
it's
not
something
that
you
know
we
want
to
extend
any
longer
than
we
have
to
and
we're
already
trying
to
make
the
connections
and
if
we
have
to
put
out
an
rfp
or
you
know
if
I
can
go
right
to
bowen,
perhaps
since
we've
already
worked
with
them
and
do
an
addendum
so
we're
looking
all
that
to
get
things
moving
as
quickly
as
possible.
M
This
might
I
don't
want
to
say
this
timeline
is
like
a
worst
case
scenario,
because
when
we
initially
said
we're
like
wow,
this
seems
long,
but
at
the
same
point
the
process
has
kind
of
been
spelled
out
here
that
we
want
to
just
make
sure
that
we
are
checking
those
boxes
and
getting
a
plan
together.
M
So
hey,
if
things
do
finish
earlier
than
we
think,
and
we
can
bump
up
the
timeline
great
absolutely
and
then
you
know
more
time
for
applications,
and
then
you
know
I
think
in
january,
or
so
you
all
we'll
kind
of
talk
about
when
we're
thinking
of
this
plan
collectively
here
like
where
the
focus
should
be
on
this
funding.
Amongst
the
categories
that
are
out
there,
I
think
right
away.
M
A
M
How
to
address
what's
going
on
right
now?
I
think
that
we're
looking
specifically
initially
at
some
type
of
homeless,
the
latest
homeless
data
around
sheltering
and
permanent
supportive
housing
vouchers.
M
What
other
elements
around
homelessness
is
out
there
also
to
the
point
about
domestic
violence,
so
some
of
those
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
updated
data
and
make
sure
we're
sharing
that,
probably
something
that
we
would
put
in
an
rfp
perhaps.
But
I
would
want
to
double
check
with
everything
that
hud
has
put
out
about
this,
to
make
sure
that
we're
checking
all
those
boxes
so
something
we
can
share
with
the
consortium
soon.
M
But
those
are
the
general
you
know
things
that
would
go
into
a
needs
assessment.
Just
off
the
top
of
my
head
from
the
initial
outreach.
A
A
M
Just
the
schedule,
I'm
at
the
bottom
sage-
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
you,
know,
make
sure
everyone
hears
those
dates
or
if
the
consortium
can
go
ahead
and
pop
those
dates
on
their
calendar
and
if
there's
any
big
conflicts
to,
let
us
know,
but
we're
just
trying
to
get
ahead
of
this
all
the
way
through,
basically,
all
of
2022.
A
That's
great,
I
really
appreciate
the
entire
year
spelled
out
like
that,
so
it
does
look
like
our
next
meeting
would
be
monday
january
10th
from
10
a.m,
to
12
p.m,
and
then
we
follow
up
march
24th,
and
I
imagine
this
will
be
something
we
could
post
on
our
consortium-
page,
perhaps
just
timeline
in
general,
so
folks
can
follow
along
and
easily
find
it
and
not
have
to
get
into
a
document.
A
Okay.
Well,
that
is
great.
So
we
are
going
to
wrap
up
number
three
and
we're
going
to
jump
back
up
to
number
two,
because
we
have
some
lingering
minutes
that
we
need
to
approve.
Let's
go
ahead
and
knock
this
off
the
list.
Has
anybody?
Has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
the
minute,
then?
Are
there
any
questions,
comments,
changes
and,
if
not
may
I
get
a
motion.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We
do
have
to
do
a
roll
call
vote.
I'm
going
to
do
this
in
the
order
that
you
are
on
my
screen.
So
come
back
if
you're
I've
just
stepped
away
so
william
hi.
M
And
a
pardon
me
sage,
if
I
can
interrupt
quickly,
I
believe
that
andrew
sent
an
email
to
me
about
a
mistake
with
thrive,
that
it
was
supposed
to
be
thrive
period,
not
thrive,
asheville
and
it
does
get
confusing
with
thrive,
having
two
names
so
close.
A
C
A
G
Alan
is
back
so
I'll
defer
our
vote
to
him.
Sorry.
C
A
M
A
H
C
I
A
C
A
D
A
A
M
Yeah,
so
we
just
updated
that
memo
that
we
bring
to
you
all
about
where
we're
at
and
the
hud
monitoring
process.
I
think,
as
you
all
know,
two
years
ago,
we
got
four
findings
from
hud.
All
of
those
were
whoops
not
coming
up
on
my
screen
give
me
one
second
sage.
M
There
we
go,
and
so
the
four
findings
we've
solved
three
of
those
quite
long
ago.
The-
and
these
are
kind
of
all
things
from
the
past-
the
fourth
one
we
were
able
to
update
regarding
dodd
meadows.
M
Great
news
is
we
just
got
that
environmental
approval
from
hud
literally
yesterday,
which
is
great.
We
still,
though,
have
to
now
go
through
the
public
review
process
for
that,
but
we
got
word
back
from
lenwood
after
that
long
period
that
we
are
looking
good
there.
So
hopefully,
once
we
get
that
public
notice
out
and
all
of
that
is
solved
in
about
45
plus
days
give
or
take,
then
we'll
submit
this
final
document
here
to
hud,
which
will
be
great.
A
All
right,
thank
you
any
questions
about
that,
while
we're
probably
have
it
open,
okay,
updated
consortia
agreements,
I'm
not
sure
why
this
is
on
here.
Is
there.
M
M
As
you
all
might
remember,
the
those
municipalities
were
added
incorrectly
hud
reached
out
to
us.
I
guess
last
year
to
try
to
fix
that.
We've
got
through
legal
there,
as
well
as
some
better
documents
on
kind
of
the
consortium
there
that
we'll
bring
back
christine
has
been
leading
that
effort,
and
we
should
be
able
to
have
more,
hopefully
in
january,
that
we
actually
can
review
all
those
documents
with
hud
and
we're
looking
good.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
We
have
item
number
five.
Just
some
general
updates
we're
moving
right
along,
so
we've
got
comp
plan
priorities
which
we
know
home
funded
projects.
Did
you
have
particular
items
you
wanted
to
mention
in
these
updates?
Or
is
this
just
information
sharing.
M
Nothing
in
particular,
but
these
are
things
that
have
come
up
from
consortium
before
so
just
sharing
the
sub-recipient
monitoring,
for
whom
there
were
four
of
those
we've
completed.
Three,
the
fourth
one.
We
are
still
working
on
with
the
agency,
so
a
fruitful
meeting
earlier
this
week.
So
hopefully,
we've
got
a
better
pathway
there,
which
is
great
home,
funded
projects,
y'all
to
ask
to
kind
of
keep
you
updated
on
funding
and
how
things
are
moving.
M
M
For
those
of
you
who
know
this,
hud
home
puts
out
sales
limits
throughout
this
four
county
region
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
they're
all
for
often
significantly
lower
than
what
is
actually
happening
on
the
ground.
So
working
with
one
of
our
sub
recipients,
where
there
was
a
challenge
where
the
value
of
the
home
on
a
2021
reassessment
you
know
was
much
higher
type
of
thing
than
the
sales
limit
aspect
of
it.
It
kind
of
reduces
the
amount
of
funding
that
can
go
into
that
house
so
that
conversation
started
this
past
summer.
M
We've
put
together
the
sales
data
and
what
has
to
happen
there
is
we
have
to
submit
it
to
hud
as
part
of
an
amendment
to
our
annual
action
plan,
so
that
goes
through
city
council
on
november
9th,
and
then
we
anticipate
a
four
to
six
week.
Turnaround
on
the
approval
of
that
amendment
and
that'll
be
great.
M
So
this
will
help
all
of
us
in
the
aspect
of
any
time
we're
dealing
with
down
payment
assistance
or
home
rehabs
having
much
better
realistic
data
is
going
to
be
great
and
it'll
actually
help
the
amount
of
funding
that
can
go
into
projects.
So
again
that
goes
to
council.
I
think
I'd
linked
the
data
there
for
anyone
to
take
a
look
at
and
that'll
get
approved,
and
I
think
that'll
help
some
of
our
partner
agencies.
M
We
wanted
to
share
that
out
and
then
I
did
just
want
to
share
you
know
the
final
21
22
home
awards
that
were
done
in
september
for
everybody.
Hopefully
we
got
all
that
right,
so
just
kind
of
sharing
out
some
of
that
information
and
discussion
with
consortium
members.
A
I
Good
morning
again,
so
I
just
wanted
to
verify
that
the
and
I'm
looking
at
the
open
home
investment
partnership
program
projects
that
all
of
that
information
is
current,
and
I
guess
my
question
or
what's
becoming
more
of
a
concern-
is
just
the
the
volume
of
open
award
from
those
projects
about
just
doing
some
rough
calculations,
and
I
recognize
that.
I
Certainly
some
of
our
21
22
awards
are
pending
some
action
by
hud
with
regard
to
the
the
plan
amendment,
but
it
looks
like
about
80
percent
of
the
allocated
funding
is
still
open
and
hasn't
been
drawn,
and
also
looking
at
that
that
kind
of
volume
of
funding.
We
certainly
have
some
awards
that
were
in
prior
years
as
early
as
1718,
with
amount
in
housing
opportunities
down
payment
assistance
program-
and
I
see
notes
there
about
you-
know
other
program
income
being
used
first.
I
That
is
a
little
bit
concerning
and
also
just
kind
of,
the
volume
of
of
items
which
aren't
pending
anything
that
aren't
yet
at
contract.
I
I
think,
where
I
raise
these
concerns-
and
you
know
particularly
tenant-based
rental
assistance.
So
that's
been
a
big
push
lately
for
us
to
get
that
funding
into
these
cycles.
It's
competing
against
construction
projects
and
we
have
a
lot
of
funding
sitting
in
those
categories
that
are
in
contract
that
have
not
been
drawn
down
on
right.
I
Given
the
delay
in
in
getting
the
meeting
started,
but
just
wanting
to
advance
and
make
sure
that
those
projects
are
moving
forward
and
that
we're
getting
that
funding
spent
or
as
we've
discussed
previously
and
we've
yet
to
have
that
kind
of
a
meeting
how
we
might
reallocate
existing
awards
that
aren't
moving
what
our
role
would
be
in
that
process
and
more
broadly,
what
those
roles
are.
So
I
know
that
was
a
lot
of
question
and
comment
kind
of
mixed
together.
So
I
apologize
for
that,
but
trying
to
get
everything
out
there.
A
So
when
this
happened
with
mountain
housing
back,
then
I
wasn't
obviously
on
this
consortium,
but
there's
another
arm
to
this
and
that's
a
city
of
asheville,
affordable
housing
bonds
also
set
aside
one
million
dollars
for
down
payment
assistance,
and
we
did
the
rfp
and
mountain
housing
was
the
respondent
and
chosen
awardee
of
our
proposal,
and
that
has
since
stopped
moving.
So
what
has
happened
is
at
a
council
level
in
the
city
of
asheville.
We
did
not
have
consensus
or
support
to
continue
to
move
forward
with
what
was
proposed.
A
So
we
had
put
out
an
rfp
looking
for
a
down
payment
assistance
program
that
granted
the
down
payment
to
the
homeowner.
What
we
received
back
in
a
proposal
we
received
a
few,
but
the
only
viable
respondent
had
a
switch
to
how
that
would
work,
and
it
was
enough
of
a
switch
in
that
the
money,
the
original
down
payment
money
became
a
percentage
and
it
became
if
you
sold.
You
gave
that
percentage
back
to
a
fund.
It
was
a
very
different
thing
than
what
we
had
originally
sought
via
the
rfp.
A
So
the
council,
this
council,
said
that's
not
what
we
would
like
to
do,
so
it
didn't
have
support
to
move
forward.
My
understanding
is,
we
may
draft
another
rfp.
We
may
try
and
utilize
the
million
dollars
somehow
else
or
with
a
more
direct
down
payment
award.
So
this
sitting
on
here
is
the
question,
because
if
it's
not
moving
forward
with
the
way
we
had
it
proposed,
originally,
I'm
not
sure
that
this
needs
to
roll
back
in.
A
I
am
aware
that
mountain
housing
has
started
their
own
down
payment
assistance
program
in
lieu
of
not
partnering
with
the
city,
so
there
may
be
an
opportunity
for
this
money
to
still
go
into
their
down
payment
assistance
program.
But
to
your
point,
getting
an
update
on
some
of
these
lingering
projects,
I
think
is,
is
a
good
idea
and
we
are
trying
to.
We
didn't
want
to
bog
down
this
meeting
with
at
all
today,
but
maybe
what
we
can
do
is
just
kind
of
update,
particularly
that
one.
A
I
know
I
got
a
request
on
the
final
draw
for
homeward
bound
and
I
think
that
was
it
or
the
short
michigan
andrea
who
had
made
the
request.
If
you
wanted
to
explain
anything
more
go
ahead.
Oh.
L
No,
I
you
know
this
was
referencing
back,
maybe
to
the
mountain
house
and
dpa
program
as
well.
My
understanding
is
that
program
has
been
suspended
or
frozen,
at
least
in
the
administration
of
the
home
funds,
while
they
work
through
some
findings
from
the
city's
audit,
which
you
know
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
We're
really,
I
think
I
am-
and
I
think
some
other
board
members
are
as
well
are
really
happy
that
the
city's
over
you
know
overseeing
these
projects
and
conducting
audits.
L
I'd
like
to
understand
what
the
pathway
is
moving
forward
to
kind
of
get
mountain
housing
back
on
track
and
getting
those
funds
out.
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
in
asheville
and
buckingham
county,
where
I
think
those
fungi
eligible
that
home
ownership
is
a
really
acute
need.
So
there's
the
issue
you
described
chair,
turning
which
I
appreciate
and
there's
also,
I
don't
know
if
we
could
also
get
updates
on.
L
Perhaps
some
of
these
audits
that
city
staff
has
conducted,
and
if
there
are
findings,
then
how
those
findings
are
addressed
because
you're
right,
we
do
want
to
keep
things
in
compliance.
We
also
want
to
get
things
back
into
compliance
and
see
these
funds
going
back
into
our
community,
so
I
was
hoping
I
could
also
get
an
idea
from
perhaps
paul
on
what
are
the
steps
left
for
mountain
housing
opportunities
to
get
that
program
back
online.
M
M
You
know
and
discuss
how
it's
all
happening
until
we
come
to
a
conclusion,
if
you
all
feel
differently-
and
I
can
always
check
with
hud
but
right
now
without
the
agency
being
present
or
anything
like
that
right
now,
we
have
they've
got
the
list
of
findings,
we're
trying
to
work
through
a
pathway.
M
A
fruitful
meeting,
like
I
said,
but
the
specifics
of
all
that
until
we
wrap
up
our
monitoring,
is
how
we
look
at
that
and
as
soon
as
all
four
are
done,
we
will
have
a
full
monitoring
report
for
everybody
to
see
what
came
back
from
those
monitorings
and
the
steps
we
took
to
correct
that,
so
that
will
be
coming.
The
the
monitoring
here
is
taking
a
bit
longer
than
we
would
like
some
challenging
issues
like
a
lot
of
things,
so
we
will
be
sharing
a
final
report.
M
It's
not
something!
You
know
to
without
the
agency
here
or
kind
of
discussing
it
in
public.
It
seems
a
something
that
wouldn't
be
the
our
role
here
to
do
until
we
have
a
final
report.
A
M
But
I
don't
know:
we've
set
up
a
I've
reached
out
to
hud
to
set
up
a
meeting,
and
so
I
think,
it'll
all
determine
with
our
hud
field
office,
to
work
through
a
couple
of
issues
on
questions,
and
so
once
I
have
that
we'll
have
a
better
idea.
Normally
these
can
wrap
up
anywhere
from
two
to
four
to
six
weeks.
M
M
L
I
was
confused.
I
apologize,
I
think
the
mountain
housing
opportunities
issue
I
mentioned
was,
I
thought.
Staff
at
the
city
internally
conducted
an
audit
at
the
staff
level,
and
I
think
that
was
one
thing.
There
was
also
a
hud
audit.
I
guess-
and
I
think
the
process
you're
describing
as
I
understand
is
that
hud
does
a
preliminary
order,
they're
doing
on
it,
and
they
give
you
a
monitoring
report
with
a
cure
period,
and
then
you
have
until
that
cure
period
to
perhaps
resolve
some
things
before
it
becomes
a
formal
audit.
Finding.
G
M
Negative,
there
is
no
hud
audit
around
our
home
fundings,
we're
just
doing
our
participating
jurisdiction,
monitoring
with
four
agencies,
we're
doing
that
ourselves.
Three
are
completed
still
through
this
with
mountain
housing,
but
mountain
housing
is
requested
to
meet
with
our
regional
field
office
to
help
clarify
some
issues.
So
that's
where
we're
bringing
in
the
field
office,
but
we
have
not
been
monitored
by
home
or
by
hud
on
home
funding.
M
If
I
play
sage,
I
would
like
to
address
matt
cable,
because
I
think
that
that's
a
really
good
point-
and
I
think
matt
consistently-
has
talked
about
this
since
probably
a
good
year
plus,
and
this
balancing
act
of
awarding
agencies,
but
yet
there's
it's
not
moving
quickly
or
there's
previous
year's
awards.
So
is
that
sometime
somehow
like
award
criteria
home
funding
in
general
has
much
more
time
to
to
be
spent.
It's
tenant-based
rental
assistance,
usually
construction,
around
affordable
housing
and
that
by
nature
can
take
longer.
M
I
think
the
interesting
point
about
the
tenant-based
rental
assistance
to
kind
of
loop
back
to
philip
being
a
part
of
this
conversation
is
we
don't
have
the
housing
or
the
landlord
acceptance
to
move
those?
That's
the
challenge,
I
think,
with
those
agencies
to
find
landlords
properties
to
accept
those
vouchers
which
continues
to
be
a
struggle,
so
without
more
housing,
more
landlords
willing
to
take
vouchers
and
more
permanent
supportive
housing.
Those
vouchers
can
really
stall
and
it
can
show
on
that
timeline,
and
I
think
the
contortions
talked
about
that
like
well.
M
Should
we
continue
to
award
funding
and
I
think
that's
your
all's
conversation
two
agencies
that
have
money
out
there,
but
it's
hard
to
say
no
to
funding
there.
When
you
know
everyone
wants
to
support
everything,
that's
possible,
but
then,
if
construction
can
happen
within
a
relative
time
period.
So
a
couple
of
those
that
that
one
point
that
I
think
remains
a
struggle
around
some
of
that
funding
and
is
that
a
criteria.
I
Sorry
and
paul-
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
kind
of
kind
of
drawing
that
you
know
more
concise
point
out.
I
think
it'll
be
really
helpful
for
us,
particularly
as
we
move
forward
in
funding
cycles
to
understand
you
know
if
an
applicant
is
seeking
funding
again,
what
do
they
have
open?
I
think
that
that's
important
to
know
you
know,
for
example,
homeward
bound
and
I'm
not.
I
know
that
they
have
projects
that
are
moving
forward,
but
they
have
two
contracted.
Tbra
amounts
right
that
are
challenging
to
implement.
I
They
have
two
uncontracted
tbra
amounts
and
together
those
total
320
000
that
has
not
yet
been
implemented.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
thing
for
us
as
a
consortium
to
look
at
any
open
balances
by
any
of
the
applicants
for
any
of
the
same
types
of
programs
just
so
that
we're
at
least
cognizant
of
it
when
making
decisions,
not
that
it
would
mean
that
we
wouldn't
continue
to
provide
additional
funding,
but
at
least
creates
that
kind
of
conversation.
So
I
think,
having
this
list
on
every
meeting
has
been
super
helpful
for
us.
I
I
asked
that
you
know
we
continue
to
do
that
and
that
when
we
actually
have
allocation
discussions
in
the
future
that
we're
really
cognizant
of
this
list
and
and
bring
that
up
as
part
of
the
conversation,
so
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
M
A
M
Sage,
were
you
going
to
talk
membership
at
all,
because
I
know
that
that's
been
a
bit
of
a
a
struggle,
sometimes
with
some
some
consortium
members
have
reached
out
to
to
say
they
were
missed
and
all
that
do
we
need
to
review
that
list,
or
has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
click
on
that?
If
we
got
it
right,
we
did
change
the
format
of
the
agenda
so
that
we
could
kind
of
list
where
everybody
who
was
representing
who
and
then
I
think
in
italics.
M
If
we're
missing
anybody
which,
right
now
we
seem
okay
and
then
we
move
the
welcome
letter
just
to
the
top
which
has
resources
about
you,
know
home
funding
and
and
all
of
that
stuff.
So
we
just
did
a
little
move
around
there
for
clarity,
but
taking
a
look
at
that
membership,
spreadsheet
is
really
helpful
to
us.
A
And
it
doesn't
matter
if
y'all
could
open
it
up
and
just
kind
of
look
for
your
community
or
your
name
and
your
alternate
or
I
just
noticed
even
my
email
is
inaccurate
on
there
and
I
just
updated
it,
and
that
explains
why
I
got
a
text
saying
my
emails
are
not
are
bouncing
back
so
so
you
just
run
through
this
list.
If
you
can,
I
think
it's
probably
good
to
do
it
every
meeting,
but
if
we
want
to
take
a
minute
on
this
agenda,
make
any
updates.
We
can.
I
Just
a
quick
question:
what
is
the
best
way
you
know
in
between
meetings,
if
we
have
changes
or
need
to
make
adjustments?
Who
should
we
send
that
information
to.
M
Sorry
sage,
christina,
do
you
want
to
respond
to
that?
Because
I
think
you
your
email
and
then
as
well
as
what
you
need
in
terms
of
the
letter
which
is
at
the
very
bottom
of
the
agenda
and
again
apologies
say
sorry
about
that.
B
B
I
believe,
but
also
I
wanted
to
make
sure
you
all
were
aware
that,
as
you
kind
of
go
down
the
the
list,
yeah
thankful,
as
you
kind
of
go
down
the
I
guess
sheet-
the
google
sheets
there
have
been
updated
to
kind
of
pinpoint
who
is
actually
a
member
who's,
actually
an
alternate
member
with
this
consortium
and
then
also
we
have
new
and
returning
members
and
the
members
who
are
no
longer
available.
But
in
the
grand
scheme
of
all
of
that,
please
send
that
information
to
me
and
then
I
will
get
it
updated.
A
All
right,
so
we
have
completed
everything
except
for
public
comment
before
it
switches
in
the
public
comment,
because
I
don't
think
we
have
any.
You
know
we
have.
We
actually
have
a
little
bit
extra
time
because
we
thought
we
would
go
till
noon
and
I'm
happy
to
end
early,
but
I
feel,
like
you
know,
we've
got
a
couple.
Things
happening:
requests
for
updating,
not
only
some
of
the
projects
with
lingering
balances,
but
also
perhaps
looking
at
how
we
want
to
deal
with
that
in
the
future.
A
M
If
you
can
hear
me
just
remind
everybody
that
that
is
actually
listed
on
the
evaluation
about
like
previous
funding,
so
maybe
we
can
find
a
way
to
highlight
that
you
know
on
the
application
or
the
application
evaluation.
So
it's
seen
a
little
bit
better,
but
part
of
that
is
on
the
application.
But
we
are
about
to
I
think,
starting
next
week
christina
and
I
have
a
meeting
to
review
on
next
year's
round
of
applications.
B
No,
we
did
not
receive
any
public
comment
and
also,
I
don't
think
that
you
all,
of
course,
had
a
chance
to
look
at
your
emails.
I've
been
sending
quite
a
few
as
this
meeting's
been
going
due
to
us
having
to
bypass
public
input.
We
would
not
receive
those
public
comments
as
normal,
so
what
I
mean
by
that
is,
unfortunately,
community
members
would
not
be
able
to
actually
call
in
so
what
I
did
is
is
that
I
sent
out
an
email
to
the
community
development
listserv
to
let
them
know.
A
A
E
Yes,
I
cannot
cannot
manage
all
of
the
the
computer
at
once.
I
wanted
to
to
just
say
congratulations
to
andrew
marone
on
his
job
change,
since
he
will
be
moving
to
dogwood
health
trust.
This
will
be
his
last
meeting
with
us.
A
L
Robin
ruined
the
surprise,
but
yeah
it'll
be
my
last
meeting.
It's
certainly
been
a
real
gift
to
be
able
to
work
with
you
guys
and
to
work
in
behalf
of
these
communities
and
I'm
not
going
far.
I
think
you
guys
all
know
the
dogwood
region
and
it
encompasses
all
these
communities
that
you
represent
and
I'm
as
soon
as
I'm
sure
as
soon
as
I
get
an
email
I'll
start
to
get
some
some
people
reaching
out,
but
yeah.
L
L
Yes,
I'll
still
be
working
in
housing.
I
think
some
of
you
guys
are
probably
familiar
with
the
the
ford
dogwood.
I
think
focus
areas.
Housing
one
is
one,
so
I'm
going
to
be
under
sarah
grimes.
So
I
think
some
of
you
have
met
already
or
probably
are
due
to
me
so
working
on
housing
and
everything
that
can
be
considered
housing,
which
will
also
probably
be
supportive
housing,
domestic
violence,
a
lot
of
linking
up
with
economic
opportunity
as
well.
So
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
potential
to
do
some
good
things
in
this
region.