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A
And
good
to
go.
Okay!
Thank
you
very
much.
This
is
donna
bailey
chair
of
the
civic
center
and,
first
of
all,
let
me
apologize
for
being
late.
My
I
was
having
technical
difficulty,
which
shouldn't
surprise
anybody,
but
we'd
like
to
get
the
meeting
started
started
so
good
morning.
We
have
virtual
once
again
on
our
call.
A
A
A
Thank
you.
We
have
an
ex.
I
think
we
have
a
really
good
agenda,
exciting
agenda
today
and
but
we'll
get
started
with
our
updates
and
demp.
If
you're
there
would
you
mind,
starting
with
your
update.
B
And
while
we're
waiting
for
damp
donna,
we
got
a
motion
and
a
second,
but
we
never
took
a
vote
on
the
minutes.
A
A
D
Okay,
good
hope
all
are
well
today,
just
wanted
to
give
an
explore.
Asheville
update
you'll
recall
that
last
meeting
we
were
down
in
lead
volume
from
2019
in
december.
Thankfully,
that
has
rebounded
january
of
2022.,
total
lead
room
nights
were
three
thousand
and
seventy
six.
That's.
E
D
Ten
percent
from
2019
so
much
better
than
the
30
percent.
We
were
down
from
the
benchmark
year
in
december
sales
activities.
In
the
month
of
january,
we
attended
the
american
bus
association
marketplace.
D
We
attended
the
wedding
festival
event
out
at
the
ag
center
here
in
town,
along
with
demp
and
the
sports
commission.
We
attended
the
nc
sports
association
meeting,
a
group
of
hotels
went
down
to
the
south
carolina
society
of
association,
executives,
annual
trade
show
in
columbia,
and
we
attended
the
financial
and
insurance
conference
planners
association
in
new
york
city,
along
with
the
trade
show.
D
E
D
They
are,
they
are
the
the
the
enthusiasm
according
to
tina
who
attended
up
there
was
was
high.
You
know
everyone
was
anxious
to
get
this.
You
know
the
omnicron
spike
out
of
the
way
and
but
still
still
very
active,
probably
looking
more.
E
D
You
know
the
the
back
half
of
the
year,
though,
for
opportunities,
but.
B
D
A
new
show
for
us
you're,
obviously
familiar
with
it
donna,
so
we
did
not
attend
the
major
annual,
but
we
thought
this
regional
conference.
The
winter
symposium
was
a
good
one
for
us.
A
A
F
Okay,
great
so
we
are
officially
in
the
four-week
countdown
to
socon
and,
as
you
know,
that's
that's
there's
a
lot
of
details
in
the
devil,
rolling
down
downhill
so
from
downtown
dribble,
basketballs
being
stuck
on
a
boat
in
the
pacific
somewhere
or
in
the
bay.
F
So
we
actually
have
a
contingency
plan
and
have
gotten
secured
basketballs
through
wilson.
So
we
will
launch
the
live
registration,
pre-registration
for
downtown
dribble
in
the
next
two
to
three
days
by
the
end
of
the
week,
and
we
are
going
to
preliminary
louis
limit
it
to
500,
hoping
that
the
other
basketballs
do
come
in
and
we
can
get
to.
I
think
we're
going
to
try
to
look
at
a
number
of
750.
F
So
I
think
that's
where
our
number's
going
to
be
that's
going
to
be
on
that's
going
to
be
on
saturday
march,
the
5th,
and
that
will
be
we'll
start
at
9
30
at
pac
square
park
and
at
11
o'clock,
we'll
roll
out
and
go
to
the
beginning
or
go
to
to
the
front
of
the
here's
cherokee
center
asheville.
So
we've
had
some
security
meetings
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we're
dealing
with
updated
parade
protocols
and
make
sure
that
we're
got
everything
in
in
gear.
F
F
Looking
at
mond,
tuesday
march,
the
1st,
we
will
have
volunteer
meetings
on
sunday,
sunday
february
27th
and
that
one's
virtual
at
four
o'clock
and
then
on
monday,
the
28th.
We
have
our
team
host
meeting
at
4,
30
4
o'clock
and
our
volunteer
meeting
in
person
at
5
30..
So
we
have
two
different
options
for
volunteers.
F
F
This
year
again,
we
will
start
at
11
o'clock
on
thursday,
with
a
rolling
schedule
for
thursday
for
the
women's
teams.
So
we
start
at
11
they
when
they
finish,
we
wait
45
minutes
and
then
boom.
We
go
with
the
next
one,
and
we
finish
so
it's
it's
pretty
much
a
standard
schedule,
but
we'll
finish
at
you
know
about
seven
o'clock:
we'll
have
some
prac
men's
practices
that
night
friday
morning,
we
also
start
at
11
o'clock
and
we
have
11
and
like
1,
50
1
15,
and
then
we
start
back
at.
F
Is
it
six
five
five?
We
start
back
at
five
on
friday
night
with
the
men's
games
and
that's
the
the
four
play-in
they
don't
really
call
it.
They
call
it
first
round,
but
it's
basically,
the
14th
for
a
bottom
teams
play
again.
F
One
of
the
things
that
we've
done
previously
is
education
days
on
thursdays
and
fridays,
we're
in
the
process
of
talking
with
buncombe
county
schools,
asheville
city
schools,
to
see,
if
that's
even
a
possibility,
we're
also
talking
to
the
private
schools.
And
then
we
have
some
different
promotional
ideas
that
that's
not
allowed,
including
some
vouchers
to
get
kids
to
be
able
to
still
come
over
to
the
tournament
downtown
dribble
again
saturday.
F
F
So
they
could
be
on
the
espnu,
espn
plus
espn,
but
it
hasn't
been
determined
yet
and
then
on
monday
night,
7
pm
championship
and
that
is
on
espn
direct,
the
normal
espn
or
the
espn.
F
Also,
we
will
be
doing
hometown
heroes
on
monday
night
honoring,
first
line
workers,
everything
that
we've
done
previously,
so
that's
kind
of
the
southern
conference
in
general
and
we
will
have
a
probably
full
calendar
finished
by
the
end
of
the
week.
We're
working
on
that
with
the
southern
conference.
F
F
F
Our
coaching
change
has
kind
of
changed
their
their
team.
So
that's
kind
of
the
way
the
pairings
are
playing
out
right
now,
with
chattanooga
confirming
are
by
far
the
the
best.
Women
are
the
same.
F
There's
a
big
log
jam
in
the
middle
one
of
the
good
things
I
I
can
say
is
if
you
are
aware
of
college
sports
at
all,
you
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
instability
with
college
sports
and
a
lot
of
conference
realignment
and
changing
this
week
the
southern
conference
announced
that
the
exit
fee
has
been
increased
to
two
million
dollars
and
that
they
were
looking
to
stay
pretty
consistent.
F
F
We
are
also
very
actively
working
on
fed
cup
we're
trying
to
get
our
volunteer
platform
up
and
running
in
the
next
two
weeks.
Billie
jean
king,
I'm
I'm
sorry
billie
jean
king
cup,
which
people
are
still
asking
me
when
we're
going
to
get
fed
cup.
F
If
you
did
watch
the
final
of
the
australian
open,
the
la
the
two
players
in
the
finals
were
actually
in
asheville
the
last
time
that
we
hosted
this
event,
so
we're
actually
ashley
barty
was
part
of
the
winners,
the
upstart
winners,
australia,
upsetting
the
us
here.
So
we've
we've
been
able
to
do
some
social
media
with
that,
but
daniel
collins
was
here.
F
We
hope
that
she'll
be
one
of
the
four
is
a
four
or
five
five,
five,
five
chosen
or
five
to
commit
to
come
to
asheville
she's,
a
really
cool
individual,
and
so
we
hope
to
have
a
stronger
field.
So
that's
kind
of
you
know,
and
in
between
that
we're
trying
to
find
the
next,
the
next
events
and
look
toward
the
future.
What
what
does
the
summer
look
like?
What
does
the
fall?
Look
like?
We
have
some
cycling
events.
F
F
We
had
over
around
500
participants
and
they
were
from
everywhere.
I
mean
we
had
them
from
all
over
the
country
and
they
came
in
friday
at
12
noon.
I
think
by
6
p.m.
Christie
can
correct
me,
but
by
6
pm
we
had
surpassed
the
food
and
beverage
sales
from
the
event
we
had
last
year
in
the
summer
and
saturday
morning
I
got
a
an
alert,
a
text
to
come
to
the
head
table
because
we
were
running
out
of
alcohol,
which
was
not
true.
F
What
happened
is
we
actually
ran
out
of
truly
so
they
actually
had
some
truly
that
they
were
selling,
and
that
was
the
most
popular
beverage.
But
I
can
also
tell
you
that
I
encountered
a
participant
that
was
there
at
9am
and
his
breakfast
was
a
hot
dog
with
mustard
and
a
mixed
drink
with
pepsi
and
bourbon.
So
so
it
was
a
very
interesting
crowd,
great
food
and
beverage
overall,
a
pretty
good
event.
F
We
will
have
to
as
we
look
forward
to
that
event.
We
would
need
to
have
more
security
and
because
they,
you
know,
we
have
people
everywhere,
yeah.
We
we
talk
about
wrestling
and
some
of
the
youth
sports.
I
think
cornhole
individuals
can
find
more
places
and
corners
than
youth
wrestling
can
so
they
found
they
found
places
that
only
yvonne
might
know
exists
in
the
in
our
venues.
So
but.
E
F
Actually
turned
out
to
be
a
good
replacement,
a
one-year
replacement
for
gala
gymnastics.
We
have
to
have
gala
back
and
also
look
forward
to
hosting
corn
hole.
Again,
it
seems
to
be
a
good
niche
for
asheville
and
people
want
to
come
to
asheville,
and
you
know
they're
staying
they're
staying
three
or
four
days
here
with
corn
hole,
so
it
was
actually
a
very
good
event.
F
So
that's
actually
my
report
and
again
chris
I'll
leave
I'll
leave
it
to
you
on
how
we
want
to
handle
the
discussion
of
the
the
march
meeting.
C
Yeah
so
cornhole
definitely
did
did
a
number
on
our
fmb.
We
did
seven
times
the
sales
of
the
last
cornhole
event,
so
we
learned
that
there's
a
very
big
difference
between
the
pros
and
the
amateurs
and
how
much
they
like
to
drink
while
they
compete
and
yet
so
deb
brought
up
the
sports
banquet
on
tuesday.
The
first
is
typically
something
he
would
invite
civic
center
commission
members
to
attend,
and
so
it
would
be
direct
conflict
as
far
as
time
so
discussion
point
for
later
in
the
agenda
for
everyone
to
think
about.
C
Do
we
want
to
keep
the
same
time
and
then
moves
forward
with
their
event,
no
one
attends
or
if
people
do
want
to
attend,
do
we
want
to
shift
the
time
on
the
first
or
shift
the
date
for
the
march
meeting,
but
technically
we
should
discuss
that
in
new
business,
but
food
for
thought
for
later
in
the
agenda.
F
Yeah
we
we
do.
We
would
definitely
like
to
have
everyone
here
in
attendance.
F
A
A
Dan,
what
are
you
doing?
What
can
we
do
to
help
you
with
volunteers,
which
I
know
socon,
you
need
quite
a
few.
F
Anyone
who's
interested
in
volunteering
can
either
contact
me
or
debbie
smith,
I'll
actually
put
debbie's
email
in
the
comments,
so
everyone
will
have
it.
Debbie
coordinates
all
of
our
volunteers.
Does
a
tradition,
mendes
job,
so
I
will.
I
will
put
her
email
into
the
comments
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
reach
out
and
if
you're,
a
member
of
this
commission
volunteer
for
at
least
one
session
or
two
sessions
just
so,
you
can
actually
see
what
one
of
our
largest
events
really
does
and
the
fun
and
excitement
I
mean.
A
Great
them
thanks
so
much
and
I'm
I
I
just
love
the
fact
that
your
the
food
and
beverage
for
that
for
cornhole
was
such
a
success.
F
And
there
were
professionals
who
were
here
also
so
the
the
lady
that
actually
won.
It
was
one
of
the
professionals
that
was
here
back
during
the
summer,
so
it
is,
the
professionals
do
play
and
I
think
there
was
a
nice
purse.
I
think
it's
like
a
purse
was
over
forty
thousand
dollars
for
what
the
for
the
several
of
the
winners
made.
So
it
was
a
great
event
and
look
forward
to
to
talking
about
it
more.
A
G
Hey
there
thanks
so
much
daniel
krupi
from
the
asheville
symphony
I'll
make
my
report
real
brief.
We
premiered
an
exciting
new
series
last
week
that
actually
does
not
concern
the
civic
centers
outside
of
the
civic
center
called
alt
aso
mobile
chamber
orchestra
series
at
highland
brewing
and
next
we're
going
to
the
orange
peel
and
the
asheville
art
museum.
That
first
event
at
highlands
sold
out
in
three
days
after
being
on
sale,
and
it
was
a
massive
success.
G
Last
week
we
are
almost
sold
out
now
for
the
rest
of
that
series
and
we've
gotten
rave
reviews
about
it.
So
I'm
sure
we'll
be
expanding
the
series
next
season.
I'm
particularly
excited
about
everything
that
that
new
series
accomplishes
for
us.
As
far
as
harris
cherokee
center
is
concerned,
tickets
are
picking
up
now.
G
Finally,
for
our
next
event,
on
february
12th
roaring
rhapsody
at
thomas
wolfe
auditorium,
it
looks
based
on
on
sales
trends
relative
to
our
november
concert,
which
was
pretty
well
attended,
looks
like
we're
about
on
track
in
terms
of
sales
for
where
we
were
in
november
for
this
next
concert
in
february.
So
that
is
encouraging,
as
as
we
know,
as
we
discussed
last
month,
there
was
a
big
dip
in
our
new
year's
eve
attendance
due
to
omicron,
so
it
seems
like
with
numbers
headed
down
people.
G
There
seems
to
be
increased
consumer
confidence,
which
is
great.
Our
coveted
policies
remain
consistent
with
either
requiring
vaccination
or
testing
of
audiences.
G
We
had
thought
about
actually
adopting
a
policy
of
rapid
testing,
all
musicians
prior
to
all
services,
but
our
orchestra
committee
said
there
was
not
not
a
need
for
that,
so
we're
we're
maintaining
our
our
consistent
guidelines
of
either
vaccination
or
test
for
the
musicians,
as
well
as
the
audience
and
other
than
that
we're
putting
together
plans
for
our
2022-2023
season,
which
will
include
the
asheville
amadeus
festival
in
may
of
2023..
We
have
some
fun
tweaks
to
the
formula
for
the
amadeus
festival.
G
It's
still
the
same
celebration
of
asheville
arts,
culture,
food
beverage,
etc,
but
just
with
a
twist,
this
upcoming
season
so
more
news
to
come
there,
and
that
is
my
report.
A
A
A
Antoinette
are
you
there?
I
didn't
sorry,
I
don't
see
you,
but
if
you
are
do
you
have
a
report.
C
She
is
not
able
to
attend,
they
have
a
arpa
funding
budget
session
this
morning
and
council
expected
it
to
go
until
about
noon,
and
it's
obviously
gone
a
little
late.
So
she
said
if
she
wasn't
here,
it's
gonna
be
running
long.
C
Coral
all
right
morning,
everybody
first
I'm
just
going
to
hit
one
interesting
little
graph
to
show
you
sarmed,
who
does
our
testing
supply
here
at
the
building,
which
is
the
daily
free
public
testing
for
anybody
started
making
graphs
for
us
so
that
we
could
see
the
trends
of
testing?
And
it's
really
interesting.
New
year's
eve
here
on
the
left
was
obviously
when
everything
was
really
starting
to
spike.
C
We
were
climbing,
climbing,
climbing.
We
had
this
big
dip
here
due
to
a
client,
a
decline
in
testing
stuff.
That
was,
if
you
remember
early
in
the
month,
we
had
some
news
reports
that
lines
were
two
three
hours
long.
C
They
were
closing
the
doors
and
not
finishing
the
line,
and
that
was
because
they
were
short
on
staff.
I
think
they
went
from
like
six
or
eight
people
per
day
down
to
two
because
of
some
kova
tests
and
their
staff,
but
that
climbed
back
up
and
then
you've
seen
this
steady
decline,
which
we've
noticed
here
at
the
lines,
but
the
positive
tests
have
also
been
going
down.
C
I
present
that,
mostly
just
so,
you
guys
can
see
kind
of
how
it's
been
trending
at
the
daily
testing
site
for
buncombe
county,
but
also
in
hopes
that
that
means
that
demand
and
everything's
coming
down.
So
this
most
recent
wave
and
peak
is
hopefully
passing
us
like
daniel
mentioned,
because
we
are
seeing
tickets
start
to
move
again,
which
I
think
is
directly
correlated
by
the
lower
number
of
needed
tests.
C
So
upcoming
events
we've
been
kind
of
dark
for
the
month
of
january
after
canceling,
the
jason
isbell
shows,
due
to
jason
himself,
getting
a
positive
covet
test
after
he
arrived
in
asheville
last
month
later
this
week,
we've
got
fortune
femster
in
the
thomas
wolfe,
which
is
a
comedian,
joss
stone
and
corinne
bailey
and
the
thomas
wolfe
on
saturday,
neil
degrasse
tyson
returns
for
a
night
of
an
astrophysicist
goes
to
the
movies
on
monday
next
week,
pat
metheny
in
the
auditorium
next
week,
as
well
on
tuesday,
followed
by
the
symphony
bert
crasher,
another
comedian,
later
in
february,
which
is
already
sold
out
on
the
18th,
and
then
we
get
into
march,
which
is
kind
of
our
crazy
season.
C
We
wrap
up
february,
with
five
days
of
rehearsals
for
nick
cave
prior
to
him,
opening
his
tour
here
in
the
thomas
wolfe
on
march,
1st
humphreys
mcgee
is
happening
in
the
arena
for
two
nights.
At
the
same
time
that
nick
cave's
over
in
the
wolf,
then
we
roll
into
socon
and
we
get
into
dance
and
cheer
season.
C
Additionally,
we
announced
this
morning
krugman,
which
is
a
great
jam
band.
That's
going
to
be
here
on
april,
30th
we'll
have
two
shows
that
night
we'll
have
amos
lee
in
the
theater
which
is
almost
sold
out
and
we
anticipate
krugman
to
be
a
sellout
show
in
the
arena
as
well
and
last
week
we
announced
bob
dylan
and
went
on
sale
and
that
sold
out
about
an
hour
after
the
on
sale
went
up.
C
So
we've
had
a
big
surge
in
people
buying
tickets
again,
which
has
been
wonderful
because
it's
been
down
pretty
much
all
of
december
and
most
of
january
other
highlight
events.
Tamin
paul
is
playing
two
nights
here
in
the
arena
in
march.
C
All
right
so
oh
yeah.
B
C
I
guess
it
depends
on
your
definition
of
good.
Are
we
fully?
Are
they
showing
up
to
work?
They
are
showing
up
to
work?
Yes,
we
are
not
fully
staffed.
No,
but
those
that
are
on
payroll
and
scheduled
have
been
showing
up.
We've
had
just
like
every
other
business.
You
know
x,
number
of
people
out
any
given
week
due
to
covid
or
close
contact,
or
anything
like
that.
C
We've
been
hiring
like
crazy
on
our
bartender
food
and
beverage
side.
I
think
we've
onboarded
about
20
people
in
the
last
month
or
so
full-time
positions.
We
are,
I
believe,
we're
short
six
full-time
positions
right
now
that
are
vacant
technically
five,
but
tomorrow
is
six.
Today
is
our
food
and
beverage
manager's
last
day,
so
we're
we're
keeping
up
just
like
the
rest
of
the
world.
We're
trying
we're
getting.
H
Chris,
chris,
just
as
a
question
my
lack
of
familiarity,
but
is
there
any
kind
of
federal
reimbursement
for
any
kind
of
ppp
or
any
kind
of
you
know,
lost
revenues
or
anything
like
that
with
the
civic
center.
C
Yeah,
so
we
didn't
qualify
for
ppp.
I
can't
remember
why,
but
we
didn't
qualify
for
that,
but
we
were
qualified
for
the
shuttered
venue
operators,
grants
which
we
applied
for
both
the
first
and
second
phases
for
and
were
awarded
right
around
2.4
million.
C
All
right
so
then,
to
move
on
to
next
items
on
the
agenda.
C
What's
what
it
is,
they
do
and
what's
going
on
with
them.
So
today
we've
got
john
phillman
and
pat
warren
john's
from
outdoor
special
events,
I'll.
Let
them
introduce
themselves
and
get
going.
But
generally
we
ask
for
them
to
talk
about
the
history.
Recent
highlights
current
challenges,
goals
for
the
future
and
basic
positives
and
negatives
of
the
merger.
So,
john
I'll,
let
you
kind
of
take
it
away
great.
I
Thank
you
chris,
and
it's
nice
to
see
everybody.
I
know
a
few
of
you,
so
it's
great
it's
especially
nice,
to
see
to
see
the
ones
that
I
know
so,
if
you're
not
already
familiar
with
the
special
events
office
at
the
city
of
asheville,
it's
very
much
like
many
other
cities
that
have
a
need
to
administer
the
process
of
reserving
public
space
for
special
event
uses
and
the
city
of
asheville
has
that
office.
Just
as
rally
does
and
greensboro
and
charlotte
they
probably
many
other
cities
in
north
carolina.
I
Have
these
offices
they're,
sometimes
based
in
the
police
department
or
a
permitting
office.
In
this
case,
we've
been
in
a
few
different
places.
Our
general
history,
starting
with
my
original
year
with
the
city,
was
2007..
I
was
hired
by
the
parks
and
recreation
department
and
this
was
not
an
office.
It
was
just
a
desk
in
the
parks
and
recreation
department
that
assisted
the
community
with
permitting
events
that
were
not
city
produced
events.
I
We
eventually
did
permit
all
events,
whether
they
were
city
produced
or
or
or
not,
but
that's
where
the
position
began
still
remaining
as
a
desk.
Shortly
after
the
economic
downturn
in
around
2007
gary
jackson,
our
city
manager
at
the
time
established
the
one-stop
shop
at
the
development
services
department
and
that's
where
we
consolidated
a
lot
of
the
different
permitting
functions
in
the
city
into
this
one
office.
I
That
office
was
a
little
bit
of
a
different
environment.
It
reminded
me
a
lot
of
the
dmv.
I
would
tell
people
because
there
were
people
putting
their
names
on
a
list
and
you
would
call
their
number
and
they
come
back
and
they
provide
their
permitting
paperwork.
You'd
issue
them
the
permits.
So
it's
very
intake
output,
kind
of
oriented,
not
a
whole
lot
of
development
involved.
I
Then
in
2014,
under
sam
powers,
this
position
was
moved
into
what
I
kind
of
would
consider
than
a
formal
office.
Although
still
just
myself,
we
started
referring
to
the
outdoor
special
events
position
as
an
office,
and
we
started
working
on
more
event,
product
development
and
partnerships
with
non-profit
organizations
to
produce
events
with
the
city
and
some
other
kind
of
more
expanded
role
around
permitting,
but
more
than
just
issuing
a
permit.
I
So
one
of
the
first
things
we
did
when
we
moved
under
economic
development
is
we
conducted
a
research
study.
It
was
grant
funded
by
the
appalachian
regional
commission
and
we
had
these
three
outcomes
from
that
study.
That
guaranteed
special
events
contribute
to
a
thriving
local
economy
that
they
play
a
significant
role
in
supporting
local
business,
nonprofit,
music,
industry
and
arts,
and
that
they
generate
actual
cash.
I
That
vendors
and
small
businesses
that
participated
in
special
events
generated
more
revenue
than
those
that
did
not
participate,
and
that's
because
of
the
the
marketing
opportunities
that
you
have
without
their
special
events
and
festivals.
I
What
our
office
receives
more
than
400
inquiries
per
year,
probably
get
three
or
four
calls
a
day
for
public
space.
We
have
a
formal
inquiry
process
now
where
people
have
to
fill
out
a
form
to
inquire.
It
helps
us
kind
of
put
a
little
speed
bump
on
the
brakes
of
people's
eagerness
to
get
started
with
something
and
help
them
think
a
little
bit
more
about
what
they're
going
to
do.
I
We
process
200
applications
per
year
and
that
results
in
about
350
event
occasions,
and
so
I
try
to
make
a
distinction
there,
because
we
have
applications
that
have
multiple
dates
per
year,
for
instance,
downtown
after
five
is
one
application,
but
it
happens
five
times.
So
that's
where
we
get
the
350
to
400
individual
event
occasions
per
year.
I
Now
I
and
our
part-time
temporary
person
we
have
on
board
right
now,
do
not
do
all
this
work
alone,
we're
supported
by
a
group
of
people
from
all
the
city
departments,
pretty
much
and
that's
considered
the
outdoor
special
event
review
team.
So
we
we
intake
the
application.
We
distribute
it
out
to
the
team.
There
are
different
pieces
of
the
puzzle
that
apply
to
each
piece.
I
The
event
team
makes
their
determinations.
Sometimes
that
requires
issuance
of
a
permit.
We
collect
all
of
that
feedback,
communicate
back
with
the
applicant
or,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
provide
them
with
their
final
permits
to
let
them
know
that
they've
completed
the
whole
process.
We
also
provide
resources.
We
try
to
provide
training
opportunities
for
our
local
event,
organizers.
I
I
So
it's
a
lot
of
information
across
all
of
the
city
departments
that
we
coordinate
as
well
as
fees
and
charges
that
we
collect
for
all
of
those
departments
on
their
behalf
through
the
process
we
also
recently
well
within
the
past
four
or
maybe
five
years,
we
created
an
outdoor
special
event,
public
space
brochure
that
was
intended
with
a
dual
purpose
of
both
promoting
those
annual
events
that
happen
on
public
space
every
year
that
are
larger
and
more
broad
or
more
of
interest
to
a
broader
general
audience,
but
also
to
create
some
codes
in
this
booklet
that
can
help
people
identify
what
events
are
suitable
for
vending
or
what
events
would
be
interested
in
hearing
from
potential
vendors,
exhibitors
and
sponsors.
I
So
in
this
booklet
this
year
it's
electronic
version
only
on
issue,
there's
a
link
on
our
website.
If
you'd
want
to
see
what
events
are
included
in
that
for
this
year,
but
normally
we
publish
a
print
version
and
we
pass
it
out
to
all
of
the
local
business
development
organizations
like
mountain
bizworks
and
self-help.
Credit
union
really
want
to
provide
these
new
entrepreneurs
with
a
directory
that
they
can
kind
of
select
from
and
see
where
they'd
like
to
bend
and
exhibit
throughout
the
year,
and
we
also
besides
resources
connections.
I
We
do
communications
and-
and
we
want
to
stay
in
touch
with
our
whole
event-
community,
including
the
vendors,
the
event
organizers,
the
non-profit
organizations
sponsors.
So
we
try
to
try
to
put
that
all
together
into
one
package
recent
highlights
so
in
2014
through
16
and
17
through
19.
Although
not
recent.
I
For
the
point
of
the
conversation
I
wanted
to,
let
you
know
that
we
had
a
strategic
event
partnership
program,
where
the
city
would
provide
in-kind
support
to
a
list
of
non-profit
organizations
to
help
them
produce
their
events,
and
those
events
were
evaluated
based
largely
on
their
on
their
the
connection
that
the
event
has
to
helping
city
council
achieve
their
goals,
and
that
felt
like
a
really
great
program,
because
we
we
were
able
to
look
at
council's
goals.
Look
at
the
nonprofits
look
at
the
events.
They
were
proposing
and
say
yeah.
I
These
events
actually
do
help
further
those
goals
that
city
council
has.
However,
in
the
2
for
the
in
2019,
when
we
were
preparing
to
present
the
next
three
year
cycle
of
partners
to
city
council,
we
had
new
legal
guidance
telling
us
that
we
really
needed
to
rethink
how
we
were
evaluating
these
proposals.
Well
shortly
after
that
coveted
hit,
and
so
we
did
not
move
forward
with
that
at
all.
I
We
consider
that
a
failed
attempt-
and
we
have
moved
into
a
realm
now
of
looking
at
partnerships
for
city
produced
events
or
events
that
the
city
wants
to
produce.
So,
instead
of
looking
at
events
that
we
partner
with
as
maybe
helping
to
further
council
goals,
we're
looking
to
support
events
that
the
city,
council
and
the
city
manager's
office
has
deemed
considered
city
events.
So
now
you'll
see
that
in
2021
the
second
set
of
bullets
there
we've
established
an
agreement
with
the
mayor's
committee
on
veterans
affairs
for
memorial
day
veterans
day.
I
I
Now
that
would
be
coming
back
to
market
street
this
year,
beginning
in
april,
a
property
use
agreement
for
biltmore
village
property
group
for
the
village
green,
where
they
do
a
dickens
holiday
celebration
and
put
a
tree
on
the
property
for
an
extended
period
of
time,
and
then
I
put
this
in
new
because
I
understand
from
chris
that
I'll
be
responsible
for
the
lease
with
adysa
for
the
john
b
lewis
soccer
complex,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
getting
into
that
now
on
what
that
entails.
I
The
other
items,
the
three
bullets
above
that
those
were
all
pretty
much
coveted
initiatives.
So
when
covet
hit
events,
our
work
didn't
stop,
but
we
did
have
some
extra
things
to
do
here:
parklets
and
shared
streets.
We
worked
with
urban
design
place
strategies
on
that.
The
equity
market
initiative
was
through
business
inclusion.
I
That's
where
we
put
bypoc
vendors
at
different
markets
where
the
city
paid
their
vendor
fees
and
helped
them
get
established
at
different
private
markets,
and
we
just
did
one
it's
starting
in
february,
we're
working
with
asheville
outlets
and
the
ymi
to
do
a
black
history
month.
Exhibition
exhibition,
where
we'll
have
lots
of
local
vendors
in
a
storefront
at
asheville
outlets,
all
black
owned
vendors
will
be
there
selling
their
products
on
saturdays
throughout
the
month
of
february.
I
And,
lastly,
the
bane
of
my
existence,
I'll,
be
honest
to
tell
you
public
toilets
and
hand
washing
stations.
They
continue
to
be
necessary
and
that's
what
the
city
manager's
office
request.
So
we
will
contract
again
with
griffin
waste
services
very
soon
to
renew
that
contract
for
another
year
future
goals.
Well,
we're
going
to
contract
a
june
teen
celebration.
That
is
the
next
event
the
city
has
on
its
radar
to
help
support
we're
working
on
a
communications
plan
for
a
community
meeting
to
ask
people
what
they'd
like
to
do
I've
gone.
I
I
will
take
your
question
in
one
moment:
overhaul
of
the
osa
related
fees
and
charges.
Those
are
the
fees
and
charges
that
would
be
applied
to
special
events.
The
city
bulban
pullman
policy
has
been
a
work
in
progress
for
many
years.
I
want
to
get
that
finished.
I
I
Development
of
community
education
tools,
of
course,
would
love
to
hire
full-time
on-site
event
coordinator,
because,
right
now
we
don't
have
anyone
physically
on-site
at
most
of
the
events
that
happen
on
public
space
other
than
the
event
organizers
and,
of
course,
I've
identified
new
opportunities
with
the
with
our
new
department
team,
chris
asked
for
the
pros
and
cons
of
joining
the
department
of
community
and
regional
entertainment
facilities.
I
see
no
cons,
so
I
didn't
include
that
slide.
I
I
think
it's
a
great
synergistic
opportunity,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
all
the
things
that
we
can
come
up
with
and
do.
Chris
is
amazing.
I've
worked
with
him
as
long
as
I
think
that
he's
been
at
the
city
and
and
he's
he's
an
excellent
leader
and
I'm
so
glad
to
be
working
with
him.
So
with
that,
I
will
take
your
question
avon.
B
Yes,
john,
what
I
did
not
see
is
your
responsibility
in
the
city's
responsibility
for
all
the
filming
and
outside
rolling
street
closures,
and
things
like
this
that
the
film
industry
has
put
on
us,
and
I
think
that
that
is
important
part
to
to
make
comment
that
the
city-
and
you
especially,
are
involved
in
that
job
and
that
kind
of
activity
for
our
city.
I
You're
right-
and
I
tried
to
allude
to
that
over
here
on
this
slide,
we
work
with
the
north
carolina
film
office,
depending
what's
going
on
from
time
to
time,
we're
more
engaged
and
less,
but
absolutely
we
are
in
charge
of
permitting
all
special
uses
of
outdoor
public
space,
including
commercial,
film
and
photography.
I
think
our
last
major
motion
picture
that
we
had
in
downtown
nashville
was
it?
Was
that
wait?
I
Let
me
think
it
was
masterminds,
I
think
right
masterminds
and
they
and
they
filmed
inside
the
civic
center
at
the
time
so
yeah
that
was,
that
was
our
last
major
motion
picture.
Most
of
the
film
work
that
we
have
coming
through
asheville
right
now
is
all
unscripted
reality
type.
I
just
spoke
with
someone
from
hbo
yesterday
doing
an
unscripted
documentary
about
people
meeting
each
other
dating
online
apps
and
using
some
public
space
for
some
of
that
filming.
I
But
asheville
has
a
really
great
policy
when
it
comes
to
filming
and
we
don't
require
film
permits
unless
you're
doing
something
that
disrupts
the
public
space.
So
if
you
can
conduct
your
film
activity
without
using
drones
without
blocking
sidewalk
streets
without
doing
any
unusual
scenes
like
chasing
a
naked
person
down
the
street
with
a
gun,
then
you're
perfectly
fine
to
use
the
city
of
asheville
as
your
backdrop
for
your
film,
and
that
is
always
something
that
people
really
enjoy
hearing
when
they
first
call
us.
I
C
John
always
super
thorough.
Thank
you
all
right.
So
next
I
see
pat
warren's
here
pat
is
the
general
manager
and
golf
pro
at
asheville
municipal
and
just
for
clarity.
Everyone
so
asheville
muni
golf
course
is
formerly
a
parks
and
rec
department,
but
we,
the
city,
contracted
that
service
out
about
10
years
ago,
so
pat
actually
works
for
a
company
called
poke
golf
llc,
so
we
just
managed
the
contract
and
he's
kind
of
our
point.
So
not
city
employees
over
there
running
it,
but
they're
running
it
on
our
behalf,
so
we
treat
them.
J
Well,
thank
you,
nice
to
meet
everybody
virtually,
as
he
said,
I'm
pat
warren
I've
been
here
at
the
golf
course.
For
a
little
over
five
years,
I've
lived
in
asheville
about
11
years,
been
in
the
market.
J
It
was
one
of
the
first
municipally
owned
golf
courses
to
desegregate
and
allow
blacks
to
play
on
it,
so
it
was
one
of
the
only
courses
back
in
the
50s
that
blacks
were
allowed
to
play
on.
So
it
has
a
very
significant
cultural
importance,
skyview
golf
tournament
for
over
61
years,
and
that
was
one
of
the
first
tour
events
for
where
blacks
could
play.
So
it
was,
it
was
a
pretty
big
event
happening
back
in
the
day,
so
that's
been
going
on
for
about
61
years
now.
J
So
there
is
a
lot
of
history
here,
so
recent
highlights,
I
guess
the
biggest
thing
that
happened
this
past
year
was,
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
seen
the
documentary
that
paul
bone
steele
did
called
muni
and
it
relates
to
the
history
of
the
skyview
tournament
and
the
golf
course
and
the
cultural
impact
it
had
on
the
community.
And
so,
if
you
haven't
seen
it,
you
can
go
to
youtube,
find
it
under
uni.
J
It's
also
under
calloway
golf's
website,
just
google
muni,
and
you
should
be
able
to
find
it
it's
about
an
hour
long
and
it's
it's
pretty
informative
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
same
characters
that
are
in
there
are
still
here.
I
have
employees
that
have
been
working
here.
My
starter,
baxter
has
been
here,
he's
92
years
old,
so
he
kind
of
knows
where
all
the
bodies
are
buried
so
to
speak,
and
a
lot
of
the
people
have
been
here
for
a
long
time,
so
it
means
a
lot
to
them
in
the
community.
J
So
so,
again
being
that
documentary
came
out
this
year
in
the
sky
view,
we
had
a
really
good
turnout
for
the
tournament
this
year.
Callaway
golf
got
behind
it,
sponsored
it
put
some
money
into
it.
They
sent
some
of
their
social
media
people
out
to
cover
it
advertise
it
market
it.
J
So
we
got
a
lot
of
national
acclaim
from
that
and
we've
had
people
coming
in
that
don't
even
play
golf
or
we're
here
not
to
play
golf
but
want
to
stop
by
and
meet
our
starter
and
all
the
people
that
work
here,
because
it
was
just
such
a
kind
of
a
unique
situation
that
they
saw.
So
it
was.
It
was
a
good
boom
for
the
the
golf
course
for
sure.
So
again
I
highly
recommend
you
look
at
that.
J
Some
other
highlights.
You
know
I
do
a
lot
with
junior
golf
here.
I've
started
a
pga
junior
league
program
that
gosh
even
before
I
got
here
that
we've
grown
from
one
golf
course
to
four
or
five
and
there's
probably
over
120
kids
in
the
area.
Now
they're
involved
playing
against
each
other
and
kind
of
a
good
introduction
to
golf
forum.
J
We
were
recognized
as
one
of
the
top
10
golf
courses
in
north
and
south
carolina
for
youth
on
course,
program,
which
is
basically
a
program
where
there's
grants
formed,
so
kids
can
play
golf
for
five
bucks
or
less
depending
on
time
of
day
day
of
the
week
and
so
forth.
So
we
are
one
of
the
top
10
courses
as
far
as
participation
with
that
program,
which
was
a
nice
kudos
as
well
prior
to
cove,
we
were
allowing
the
first
tee
program
to
kind
of
settle
here
for
a
little
bit.
J
They
did
a
couple
different
engagements
prior
to
covet
and
I'm
not
sure
what
their
status
is.
Now
I
haven't
been
able
to
reach
out
to
anybody
to
get
anybody
to
find
out
if
they're
continuing
that
or
not,
but
so
we
you
know,
like
I
said
we
have
been
doing
a
lot
with
the
juniors.
You
know
we're
we're
actually
one
of
the
only
golf
courses
that
allows
the
schools
to
come
and
play
and
practice
for
free.
A
lot
of
the
golf
courses
are
charging
now
to
come.
J
Use
the
golf
course-
and
I
think
it's
important
as
a
golf
course
and
as
a
golf
professional
to
kind
of
you
know,
foster
those
junior
golfers
allow
them
to
play
here
because
they're
our
future
customers.
So
we've,
you
know,
since
we're
so
centrally
located.
We've
had
a
big
response
from
local
area
schools
middle
schools
about
using
the
golf
course
for
practice,
playing
matches
and
so
forth.
So
we've
done
a
lot
with
them
as
well,
and-
and
of
course,
you
know,
we
host
fundraising
events
here
for
the
community
throughout
the
year.
J
Charitable
organizations
try
to
raise
money
by
hosting
golf
tournaments
here.
So,
of
course,
cove
would
kind
of
put
a
little
kick
in
that
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
hopefully
we'll
be
gearing
those
tournaments
back
up
here.
Moving
forward
first
challenges:
you
know
we're
probably
having
some
of
the
same
challenges
as
most
of
everybody
else
is
with
staffing
and
supply
chains,
I'm
just
finding
parts
to
repair
our
golf
carts
and
merchandise
needed
to
sell
in
the
golf
shop
and
staffing
you
know
because
we're
so
seasonal.
J
We
have
to
up
our
staffing
during
peak
seasons
and
lower
our
staffing
during
off
seasons
and
so
forth.
So
that's
that's
a
challenge
with
code.
The
golf
course
itself
is
is
in
need
of
some
much
needed
capital
improvement
funding.
J
There
are
some
major
stormwater
repairs
that
need
to
be
funded,
probably
upwards.
J
We
have
a
quote
for
almost
two
and
a
half
million,
but
that
was
back
in
2020
and
I'm
sure
it's
increased
since
then,
and
what's
happening
with,
that
is
we're
having
some
collapses
cave-ins
out
on
golf
course,
which
are
causing
safety
issues,
playability
issues
and
so
forth
and
as
well
as
you
know,
some
carp
and
path,
repairs
that
need
to
be
done
either
replacement
or
repairs
throughout
the
golf
course.
J
The
back
nine
is
typically
challenging
because
it's
the
most
tree
covered
and
most
dense
with
canopy
tree
canopies,
which
affect
our
tea
boxes.
Greens,
not
allowing
sun
shade
to
get
in
wind
so
forth.
So
you
know
when
they
built
the
golf
course
back
then
in
27,
probably
none
of
these
trees
were
on
there,
but
you
know
90,
something
years
later,
we've
got
quite
a
canopy
of
trees
on
the
backside,
which
probably
need
to
be
addressed
for
the
help
of
the
turf
on
the
golf
course
as
well
so
yeah.
J
Those
are
the
kind
of
major
challenges
we're
you
know
dealing
with
as
a
golf
course.
You
know
some
of
the
bunkers
need
to
be
be
refurbished
for
drainage,
tee
boxes
need
to
be
leveled.
You
know
typical
golf
course
stuff
that
needs
to
be
happening.
J
As
far
as
you
know,
goals
for
the
future,
I
think
you
know
really
just
trying
to
firm
up
some
kind
of
capital
improvement
plan
and
trying
to
find
some
funds
that
can,
you
know,
come
in
to
revitalize
the
golf
course
and
make
the
needed
repairs
that
need
to
be
done
as
well,
and
I
think
you
know,
as
far
as
positives
moving
forward,
we've
already
had
more
conversations
with
chris
about
where
to
find
the
funds
than
we
had
prior.
J
You
know
working
with
parks
and
rec,
so
I
think
for
everybody
you
know
that
has
to
do
with
golf
course.
That's
an
encouraging
sign,
so
we
look
forward
to
continuing
that
conversation
with
chris
and
moving
forward.
So
far,
no
negatives
chris
has
been
great
to
work
with,
and
we've
enjoyed
continuing
the
discussion
with
him.
So
that's
my
reader's
digest
version
so.
E
Yeah,
first
of
all,
that
depth
of
what
you
guys
are
doing
at
the
golf
course
is
awesome:
where
are
your
funds
coming
from?
Where
do
you
get
your
funding.
J
Well,
you
know
we
operate
the
golf
course
ourselves
as
our
own
business,
but
for
the
capital
improvement
fundings,
we
have
not
had
any
capital
improvement
funds.
Typically,
I
guess
we
would
expect.
You
know
that
being
the
city
owns
a
golf
course
that
would
come
from
the
city
for
those
major
capital
improvements
moving
forward,
but
operationally
we
maintain
the
golf
course
remote
greens,
motifs
mother,
ruff,
set
the
golf
course
up
take
care
of
it.
You
know
pesticides,
chemicals
whatever
it
needs
to
be
done
on
that
end.
C
Correct
originally
about
10
years
ago,
when
the
contract
was
set
between
the
city
and
pope,
there
was
a
contractual
obligation
for
us
to
come
up
with
a
memorandum
of
understanding
for
capital
improvements
moving
forward
both
between
us
and
pope
and
unfortunately
that
never
came
to
fruition.
So
there
is
no
capital
improvement
plan
at
the
moment,
so
that's
kind
of
phase.
C
A
I'm
curious,
I'm
sorry
yvonne
the
outsourcing
business,
so
I
am
surprised
that
you're
saying
in
your
maintenance
contract
that
you're
not
responsible
for
the
bunkers
all
outsourcing
I
mean
that
just
doesn't
seem
to
fit
with
the
models
of
outsourcing
and
the
skyview.
J
Well,
as
far
as
the
bunker
yeah,
maintaining
the
bunkers
is
a
daily
operational
challenge.
We
rake
them
and
you
know
prep
them
for
play,
but
over
time
you
know
drainage
issues
happen,
and
you
know
they
need
to
be
dug
up,
prepared,
put
new
drains
in
and
stuff
like
that.
So
and
we've
done
several
of
those
already
over.
J
Since
the
term
we've
been
here,
we've
actually
redone,
probably
five
or
six
different
bunkers
for
drainage,
so
they
can
be
playable
as
far
as
how
how
do
we
have
the
tournaments
with
the
deterioration
of
the
car
pass
and
everything
you
know,
people
just
ride
around
them.
I
mean
if
it's
a
rough
area,
they
get
off
of
the
car,
pass
ride
on
the
grass
and
ride
around
them.
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
challenge
to
say
the
least.
A
I
was
on
the
lpga
board
of
directors.
I'm
you
know
I
get
off.
I
get
the
responsibility
of
growing
the
next
generation
of
golfers,
but
you
can't
charge
nothing
if
you
want
to
keep
the
golf
course
going,
you
know.
Are
there
some
grants
out
there
that
can
cover
the
cost
of
scholarship
money?
I
know
the
feast
for
me.
They
they
will
supplement.
J
Not
with
the
first
tee,
like
I
said
that
when
they
first
were
here
for
a
year
and
a
half
prior
to
covid,
we
just
and
again
we
don't
have
a
driving
range
here,
so
they
use
our
practice
facilities,
putting
shipping
area
to
work
with
the
kids.
We
let
them
go
out
on
the
course
once
or
twice,
and
we
try
to
do
it
where
we
don't
interfere
with
our
normal
play.
If
there's
gaps,
we
can
squeeze
the
kids
out
there
and
you
know,
like
I
said,
we're
charging
everybody
else.
J
I'm
just
trying
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
these
schools
don't
have
any
funding
for
their
golf
programs,
and
so
if
they
have
to
pay
to
play
on
the
golf
course
you
know
golf
is
not
a
very
cheap
sport.
If
any
of
you
play
that,
so
it's
expensive
for
these
kids
to
come
out
and
play
and
practice
so
we're
just
trying
to
support
the
local
schools
with
their
practice
and
matches.
So.
B
Yes,
I
I
do
patrick
and
so
glad
to
meet
you,
as
you
mentioned
in
some
of
your
dialogue.
You
said
that
you
hosted
fundraisers
and
can
you
host
fundraisers
for
yourself
and
try
to
to
use
the
sports
commission
to
promote
some
of
the
needs
that
you
might
have
from
a
financial
standpoint
and
kind
of
come
into
this
fold,
because
it
looks
like
what
the
city
is
doing
to
put
you
under
chris,
and
I
don't
know
where
the
com
this
commission
becomes
involved
in
what's
happening.
B
J
Well,
you
know,
I
think
chris
can
answer
that
too.
You
know
we're
working
with
him
on
trying
to
find
some
ideas
for
grants
and
funding,
and
I
am
open
any
of
you
want
to
throw
ideas
on
fundraising
or
how
we
could
raise
funds
to
do
the
improvements
for
the
golf
course.
You
know
we'd
be
definitely
interested
in
doing
that.
So
yeah,
I
think,
like
chris
and
I've
had
several
conversations
about
where
you
find
the
funds
for
this.
A
You
know
one
thing
this
past
sunday,
I
was
watching
a
pga
tour
and
it
dawned
on
me
that
here
we
are
in
the
middle
of
black
history,
the
beginning
black
history
month
in
nashville.
We
have
a
historic
golf
course,
and
farmers
of
insurance-
it
just
is
sponsoring
the
atga
tournament
and
the
importance
of
diversity
within
the
the
within
the
golf
industry
itself,
and
that
just
seems
to
me.
This
is
a
perfect
time
to
do
to
take
advantage
of
the
documentary.
A
That's
already
out
there,
what
we
have,
what
we
need
to
put
it
all
together
now
and
not
wait
and
hope
down
the
road.
Something
will
happen
and
a
fundraiser.
You
know.
A
Gofundme
right
now
would
be
a
perfect
opportunity
and
I
understand
that
it
has
to
go
under
a
501c3
because
can't
go
into
city
money
according
chris
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
on
that,
but
I
think
that's
correct,
so
that's
something
your
group
should
be
thinking
about,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
skyview
tournament
committee,
great
group
of
people,
I've
met
with
them,
would
be
happy
to
try
to
help
in
that
vein,
and
I
would
think
that
the
sports
commission
would
be
happy
to
try
to
help
especially
seeing
if
they
could
get
the
ppa
apga
to
you
know,
come
and
visit.
A
J
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
the
course
for
us
to
host
a
tournament
like
that.
The
course
has
to
get
the
improvements
done
first,
but
I
agree
with
you
in
the
sense
that
we
need
to
kind
of
strike
while
the
iron's
hot,
with
the
the
you
know,
the
cultural
aspects
that
we're
dealing
with
in
today's
society
and
now
is
the
time
to
kind
of
work
with
that
aspect
of
it
and
yeah.
So
we
are
open
to
try
any
and
all
avenues
to
get
that
done
soon.
B
And
it's
a
shame
that
this
that
we
are
promoting
all
these
bicycle
events
and
things
like
this-
that
you're
not
letting
the
or
eyes
conceived,
there's
been
some
reluctance
to
involve,
from
your
point
of
view,
patrick
the
sports
commission
from
the
county,
and
it
comes
now
that
you're
under
our
umbrella
right
chris,
that
this
is
this
is
kind
of
what
we
get
to
talk
about.
B
So
let's
have
some
more
dialogue
from
you
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
help
because
it
sounds
like
we
are
again
not
taking
advantage
of
what
we
actually
have
here
to
our
tours
industry
and
put
more
heads
in
the
bed.
That's
well.
J
I
appreciate
that
definitely
yes,
it's
nice
to
hear
the
interest
coming
from
the
group
for
sure
there
has
hasn't
been
much
prior
to
the
this
group
coming
involved.
So
thank
you.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
the
tda
wasn't
did
sponsor
the
documentary.
I
mean,
I
think
that
they've
tried
to
promote
the
muni
and
asheville
and
that's
something
that
can
it
continues.
A
J
I
agree
and
demp
was
involved
with
the
skyview
association
too.
He
was
very
helpful
with
them
website
development
registration-
stuff,
like
that
so
kudos
to
him
on
that.
I
don't
know
if
he's
still
home
but.
H
You
know
you
know
one
one
thought
that
comes
to
mind.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
good,
bad
or
indifferent,
but
whether
there's
an
opportunity
to
partner
with
a
hotel
in
town.
You
know
kind
of
like
with
the
crown
plaza
you
know,
and
and
what's
going
to
happen
with
that
golf
course
or
whatever
at
this
point
don't
know,
but
but
some
kind
of
tie-in
could
be
an
idea.
J
Yeah
partner-
well
just
so
you
were
to
the
golf
industry,
you
know
is
changing
quite
a
bit
in
our
market.
I
just
heard
the
other
day
that
the
harvester
golf
course
closed
down.
There's
currently
an
offer
over
at
etowah
to
purchase
the
golf
course
for
development.
You
know
so
it's
a
challenging
market.
You
know
in
the
mountains
of
north
carolina
to
have
a
golf
course.
J
C
And
hopefully,
reduction
of
supply
will
equal
greater
demand
in
asheville
muni.
If
we
lose
a
couple
golf
courses
in
the
area,
there
was
a
question
done
put
in
the
chat.
Do
you
know
pat?
I
know
roughly
how
many
starts
we
have
per
year,
but
is
there
like
a
how
many
players
play
on
average
or
what's
our
annual
starts
roughly
just
for
the
group.
J
There's
a
little
over
forty
thousand
dollar,
I
mean
forty
thousand
dollar
forty
thousand
starts,
which
include
nine
hole
rounds,
but
you
can
buy
an
all.
We
probably
get
about
35
36
000
rounds
a
year
here
at
the
golf
course,
which
is
in
the
mountains
in
north
carolina,
is
pretty
busy
we're
one
of
the
busier
foot
traffic
golf
courses
in
the
area
so.
B
J
J
Yeah
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do.
With
being
a,
I
mean,
it's
a
municipality
owned.
You
know
the
impression
and
overall,
the
condition
of
the
course
right
now,
but
not
that
we
couldn't
charge
more
moving
forward,
but
you
know
with
covet.
It
has
been
good
for
golf
I'll
say
that
it's
probably
one
of
the
only
few
industries
that
have
benefited
from
coven.
J
J
C
We
have
not
from
the
commission
standpoint,
I'm
bringing
it
up
right
now
on
my
computer
here,
but
we
have
pat
gave
me
their
rates
compared
to
everyone
else's
in
the
general
area,
and
I
believe,
if
I
remember
it,
we
were
the
cheapest
walk
up
like
just
joe
schmo
off
the
street,
walking
up
to
play
18
holes.
We
were
the
cheapest
in
the
area
and
I
think
even
our
memberships
were
the
cheapest.
C
However,
you
know
the
other
golf
courses
in
the
area.
There
aren't
a
lot
of
public
courses,
there's
black
mountain
muni
golf
course.
Reems
creek
is
technically
a
public
course,
but
you
can
only
buy
annual
memberships.
So
it's
not
really
like
a
true
public
course
like
we
are
so
there's
not
a
lot
of
apples
to
apples
out
there,
like
a
weekday
with
a
cart
round
at
asheville
muni's,
a
rack
rate
of
38
black
mountain,
it's
40
dollars
at
otoa
valley
is
54.,
broadmoor
is
50.,
broadmoor
is
probably
the
most
comparable.
C
No,
so
you
know
there's
definitely
room
for
rate
changes,
but
there's
a
lot
of
history
there
and
there's
I
mean
I
think
pat
mentioned,
there's
some
people.
Many
of
the
members
have
been
members
for
decades,
not
just
years
like
decades
there
and
so
finding
that
right
rate
or
freezing
people's
rates
that
have
been
members
for
years
and
changing
rates
for
new
charleston
municipal
golf
course
just
underwent
a
pretty
significant
renovation
and
really
changed.
C
That
course
into
a
pretty
amazing
golf
course,
speaking
as
a
non-golfer
here,
but
just
from
the
pictures
and
from
what
I've
read
and
their
structure
is
really
based
on
locals,
have
a
rate
and
then
out
of
market
people
that
don't
live
in
charleston
have
a
different
rate,
but
they
didn't
do
that
until
after
they
fixed
up
the
golf
course
and
made
it
so
it's
local
friendly
based
on
the
subsidy
that
comes
from
their
local
friends
of
nonprofit,
and
here
we're.
I
can't
remember
the
numbers.
C
I'd
have
to
pull
up
my
spreadsheet
and
you
know
we
can
get
more
data
next
month
for
it,
but
I
think
it
was
roughly
either
45
or
55
of
our
starts
were
buncombe
county
residents
and
then
everything
else
was
out
of
county.
I
can't
remember
which
direction
that
was,
but
we're
pretty
close
to
50
50
locals
non-locals
at
that
course.
A
I
think
it
was
interesting.
I
did
some
research
on
the
charleston
course.
Maybe
there
was
the
city
and
the
private
sector
worked
together.
This
they
put
in
equal
amounts
of
money
to
upgrade
the
course
to
fix
it.
It
was
in
tough
shape
and
they
did
it
through
this
as
city
bond
and
then
the
private
community
saying
okay,
we'll
match
it
and
they
set
up
a
501c3
to
fund
it
and
they
raised
the
money.
I
think,
over
three
years.
A
So
you
know
it
can
be
done
to
avon's
point,
but
it
has.
You
have
to
get
the
right
backing,
both
the
city
and
the
fund
and
the
private
sector.
In
order
to
do
that.
A
C
Yeah
there's
a
lot
of
open
opportunity
for
sure
at
the
golf
course
and
yeah.
I
hate
saying
that
a
three
million
dollar
project
is
like
the
smaller
of
the
projects,
but
when
we're
talking
about
like
a
60
to
100
million
dollar
project
at
the
thomas
wolf,
three
million
feels
like
nothing
right
right.
It
feels
like
a
low-hanging
fruit
type
of
target
that
we
could
go
after
to
try
to
outfit
muni
golf
in
some
way,
shape
or
form
and
really
help
turn.
That
course
around
into
what
it
could
be.
C
I
mean
donald
ross
is
a
famous
designer
he
designed
something
like
400
and
some
odd
golf
courses,
but
he
was
only
on
site
for
the
actual
construction
and
management
of
the
project
for
less
than
200,
and
this
one
was
one
of
them.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
history
there
and
with
it
being
the
first
integrated
course
in
the
southeast
I
mean
there's,
there's
some
opportunity,
there's
some
really
good
opportunity
to
really
make
some
changes
there.
Right
now
for
sure.
A
You
know,
and
to
chris
I
was
making
this
comment.
I
think
it's
so
true
was
now
all
of
this.
You
know
with
the
out
with
outside
events
and
the
muni
being
all
under
one
brella.
It
would
be
nice
to
work
together
to
figure
out
an
event
where
we
could
bring
in
the
local
food
vendors
as
well.
You
know
make
it
a
huge
event,
even
if
you're
not
playing
golf,
so
you
know
to
be
able
to
join
the
community
together.
In
order
to
say
this
is
an
important
asset
that
needs
to
be
cared
for.
C
Yep-
and
you
know
pat
going
to
lean
on
you-
maybe
pope
does
things
like
that
at
many
of
your
other
golf
courses
down
in
florida,
but
you
know
finding
ways
to
start
fundraising
there
or
finding
the
right
people
to
help
create
a
friends
of
type
of
concept
which
you
guys
will
hear
about
when
the
nature
center
general
manager
comes.
C
I
think,
next
month
they
have
a
group
called
the
friends
of
the
nature
center,
which
are
vital
to
their
capital
and
long-term
planning
and
establishing
something
like
that
from
uni
is
not
out
of
the
question
for
other
municipal
golf
courses
in
the
country
and
would
be
a
really
beneficial
opportunity
for
us
to
help
fundraise
private
sector
money
towards
the
project.
J
Do
we
have
to
if
we
do
stump
like
that,
going
back
to
the
comment
earlier
about
setting
up
separate
non-profits
to
do
that?
You
know:
where
does
the
money
go?
I
guess
would
be
the
first
question.
You
know.
C
Yeah,
I
guess
we'd
have
to
figure
that
out,
but
I
think
in
all
of
our
minds
here.
It's
that
money's
going
to
capital
improvements
at
the
golf
course
to
try
to
upfit
it
and
fix
those
sinkholes
and
stormwater
issues
and
other
problems
at
the
course
right
now.
They're
the
top
challenges
you're
working
with
right.
Definitely,
okay,.
E
A
C
The
only
other
item
I've
got
is
there's
nothing
on
old
business,
nothing
on
news,
new
business.
Unless
anybody
brings
it
up
with
the
question
of
do
we
want
to
talk
about
shifting
the
march
meeting
around
the
sports
commission
luncheon
or
does
everyone
want
to
hold
it
like?
It
is
just
as
a
discussion
point.
B
C
J
C
And
so
on
that
note,
would
you
want
to
look
at
a
different
time
on
tuesday
the
first
or
switch
the
meeting
all
together
to
like
monday,
the
28th
or
to
wednesday
the
second
or
what
would
you
or
skip
the
it's
perfect?
It's
certainly
an
option.
You
can
skip
the
march
meeting
all
together.
It's
we
only
have
to
meet
once
a
quarter
at
minimum
per
the
statute
that
created
the
board,
so
you
could
skip
march
if
you
wanted
to
or
shift
the
date.
B
But
what
I
was
saying
is
that
I
think
that
we
should
be
there
for
the
county
sports
commission
together
for
their
program
and
we
could
break
off
for
a
couple
of
minutes
and
we're
for
20
minutes
and
sit
around
the
table
and
call
a
meeting
and
go
over
approving
the
minutes
and
then
moving
into
general
discussions
with
chris
and
then
closing
down
the
business.
Real
quick.
I
don't
know
how
that
fits
into
the
transparency
kind
of
thing,
but
I
I'm
sure
that
we
could
figure
that
out.
C
Unfortunately,
as
convenient
as
that
is
and
sounds
because
we're
still
required
to
have
all
official
meetings
virtually
right
now,
even
if
every
single
commission
member
came
to
the
the
sports
commission
luncheon
on
tuesday,
we
would
need
to
move
to
a
virtual
setting
to
hold
the
actual
commission
meeting
at
the
moment.
C
Donna
you're
breaking
up
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
what
I
caught
was
to
the
group
one:
do
we
want
to
have
a
meeting
or
just
skip
to
april
and
then
two?
If
we
do
want
to
host
the
meeting,
do
we
want
to
look
at
wednesday?
I
think
you
said
the
28th.
H
A
C
As
long
as
no
one
else
on
our
staff
quits,
I'm
good
we're
good,
we
couldn't,
we
could
do
it.
I
don't
know
if
demp
would
make
it
in
attendance
on
practice
day,
but
it'd
be
fun.
On
our
end,.
A
C
A
C
Okay
chrissa,
can
you
do
wednesday.
C
I'm
gonna
lost
krista
temporarily,
okay,
one
two,
three,
four,
five
six,
so
we
have
six
voting
members
here
we
had
one
two,
three
four
people
that
could
crystal:
can
you
do
wednesday,
the
second
at
noon?
Or
would
you
vote
to
just
skip
and
go
to
april
either
way?
It's
good,
I'm
fine!
With
that
all
right
kind
of
based
on
majority
rules
votes.
It
looks
like
you're
skipping
the
march
meeting
yeah,
so
we
would
do
march
2nd
at
noon.
C
Correct,
all
right
I'll!
Let
the
city
clerk's
office
know
just
so
they're
aware
and
we'll
either
matthew
or
I
will
send
out
an
adjusted
calendar
invite
for
the
following
day
and
then
I
guess,
look
for
an
invite
from
demp
or
madison
related
to
the
luncheon
on
tuesday,
for
you
so
come.
Okay
sounds
good.