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B
Okay
well
good
afternoon.
Everyone
I'm
michael
stratt
today
is
the
10th
of
december
2020,
we're
almost
into
2021.
Thank
god.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
multimodal
commission
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
today's
meeting.
B
All
commission
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
communications,
a
bit
differently,
as
we
are
now,
obviously
virtual
and
not
in
city
hall.
We
are
streaming
live
on
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
B
B
855-925-2801
again,
that's
nine
two,
two
eight
zero
one
and
you
need
to
type
in
an
access
code
two,
and
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is
nine.
Four.
Six.
Six
again,
that's
nine!
Four,
six,
six!
That's
the
access
code,
so
you
can
listen
over
the
phone
for
everybody
out
there.
Welcome
today's
meeting.
B
Please
remember
to
mute
your
phone,
your
your
microphone
after
you're
done
speaking,
commission
commemor,
commission
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello
and
what
interest
you
represent
and
if
you're
unsure
of
which
one
you
represent
we'll
we
can.
We
can
go
through
that.
We've
got
some
new
members
today.
So
here
we
go
we're
gonna
start
with
randy
warren.
B
H
I
Lydia
viewer
viewer
like
ferris
bueller's
day
off
just
noel,
oh
and
I'm
on
the
greenway
ready
as
well.
B
Thank
you,
sorry
about
that.
I
knew
I
was
gonna.
Do
that
okay
and
we've
got
michael
waddle.
I
got
that
one
right
this
time
we
just
went
over
that.
J
Very
good
job,
yes,
this
is
michael
waddle.
I
think
that
we
said
transit
committee.
K
B
J
About
that,
michael.
B
Hey
I
had
to
make
a
cheat
sheet.
We've
got
a
lot
of
new
people
today
and
last
but
not
least,
we've
got
john
bason.
L
Hi,
I
am
john
bowsony.
Sorry,
that's
right!
Nobody
ever
gets
it
right
and
I
am
serving
on
the
transit
committee.
B
Okay,
well
welcome
everybody.
I'm
really
excited
to
have
you
all
here.
I
can't
tell
you
how
excited
I
am
to
have
a
full
lineup.
We've
been
working
on
full
cylinders,
and
I
think
this
is
a
commission.
That's
a
v12,
so
we
we've
been
really
missing
out
on
some
folks
and
I
think.
B
B
H
B
Okay,
so
let's
we're
going
to
need
to
get
a
motion
to
review
the
agenda
from
the
last
meeting
that
occurred
on
I'm
sorry,
we're
going
to.
B
B
B
B
Kind
of
go
through
this
a
little
bit
more
so
just
have
to
remember
that
some
people
are
listening,
might
be
visually
impaired.
So
when
you
make
a
motion
or
a
second
go
ahead
and
say
your
name
associated
with
that,
so
we
can.
We
can
have
that
put
into
the
minutes.
F
B
Okay,
very
good,
now
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
roll
call
vote.
Those
are
our
new
rules
now
that
we
are
operating
virtually
so
let
let's
go
with
randy
warren.
N
B
J
B
Okay,
michael
waddle
hi
and
john
bosone
yeah
there
it
is
okay,
so
move
motion
is
passed
and
the
today's
agenda
has
been
approved.
Now
we're
going
to
do
the
same
thing
with
the
last
meetings
minutes.
So
do
I
have
a
motion.
Actually
we
all
feel
good
about
the
the
minutes.
From
the
last
time.
C
B
Okay,
but
I
think
I
think
randy's
got
wants
to
make
a
tweak.
H
C
C
B
Okay
gotcha,
so
I
guess
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
to
to.
B
Okay,
all
right
very
good,
so,
let's
open
it
up
at
this
point
randy,
I
think
you
you're
the
one
that
that
wanted
to
see
a
tweet
for
sure.
C
B
C
Page
three
under
the
right
of
way:
closure
review
for
aston
street.
There's
a
note
that
says:
randy
warren
explain
having
the
alley.
Access
to
the
front
would
be
ideal
and
that
doesn't
really
capture
what
I
was
trying
to
say
there
as
transportation
group.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
multimodal
use
is
enhanced
as
much
as
possible,
and
so
that
should
be
our
lens
in
which
we
view
these
projects
and
in
this
project,
without
a
development
proposal.
C
We,
I
can't
in
good
conscience,
endorse
this
because
the
way
the
developer
talked
about
it,
he
talks
about
perhaps
developing
it
in
a
way
that
maximize
use
of
this
property
from
the
main
streets,
which
would
be
negative,
a
negative
effect
on
multimodal
transportation.
C
We
can't
make
that
determination,
and
so
that
was
my
argument
for
us
as
a
group
not
to
approve
this,
because
it
it's
possible
that
it
could
have
a
negative
effect
on
multimodal
transportation.
So
I
know
it's
hard
to
capture
a
sentence,
but
I
don't
think
the
sentence
in
there
clearly
states
my
position
on
that,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
that
in
a
minute
so
that
we
can
refer
back
to
it.
If
we
need
to.
B
Okay,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
the
procedure
is
at
this
point
as
far
as
making
making
you
know
of
that
yeah.
What
what
what's?
What's
our?
What's
our
role,
staff.
A
M
Technically
we're
just
supposed
to
report
what
was
said,
but
I
think
that,
if
randy
wants
to,
I
think
the
easiest
thing
to
do
if
it's
okay
with
you
guys
is,
if
randy
could
send
us
like
a
strikeout
or
or
a
note
of
what
he
would
like
us
to
include.
We
can
go
ahead
and
do
that.
C
M
Sounds
good
and
if
you
guys
are
okay
with
approving
it
as
amended
by
randy's
note
to
staff,
then
we
can.
I
think,
that's
good
enough.
B
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
you
know,
randy's
if
he
makes
an
amendment
or
be,
I
would
say,
in
line
with
what
he
just
said
verbally
in
front
of
all
of
us.
A
B
Okay,
okay,
so
do
I
have
a
motion
that
would
okay
dennis.
G
B
G
Okay,
I
can
make
emotional
substitution
to
include
the
revisions
that
randy
has
detailed
in
our
meeting
both
last
month
and
today.
B
Okay,
so
let's
go
to
a
roll
call
vote.
I've
got
a
a
motion
and
a
second
to
take
the
verbalized
version
of
what
randy
just
put
out.
J
B
Front
of
us
he's
going
to
put
it
into
paper
and
we're
going
to
to
see
those
two
things
married
in
the
minutes.
B
Hi
lydia
bueller
viewer.
J
B
Michael
waddle,
all
right,
john.
H
B
B
Okay,
I
heard
I
some
move:
motions
passed;
okay,
let's
keep
it
moving.
B
We've
got
it
on
the
agenda
as
our
next
item
as
public
comment,
I
think
we,
but
we
did
receive
one
public
comment
that
came
in
before
today's
meeting
and
I
believe
that
came
from
claudia
nix,
who
is
also
the
chair
of
the
greenways
committee,
and
I
think
we're
going
to
ask
randy
to
read
that
and
enter
that
into
the
minutes.
For
us.
C
Definitely
this
is
from
claudia
hello.
This
is
claudia
nix,
chair
of
the
greenway
committee.
I
want
to
first
say
that
I
am
very
pleased
with
the
new
french
broad
river
greenway
east.
It
is
beautiful
and
being
used
before
it
was
finished.
It
is
going
to
make
a
big
difference
in
our
community,
but
only
if
it
will
connect
to
where
people
need
to
go.
C
C
You
are
aware
of
the
dilemma
in
which
we
find
ourselves
because
ncdot
is
in
a
funding
crisis
and
is
unable
to
even
pass
through
federal
funding
for
transportation
projects.
The
most
disturbing
thing
about
this
is
that
many
of
our
greenway
projects
will
have
to
five
to
ten
years
before
funding
will
be
available.
C
Even
for
those
projects
which
were
already
approved,
the
asheville
area
is
known
to
be
the
most
dangerous
place
for
pedestrians
and
bicyclists.
We
have
more
serious
injuries
and
death
per
capita
in
other
cities
in
the
state.
Ncdot
has
adopted
and
improved
their
complete
streets
policy
and
have
adopted
a
vision,
zero
policy.
C
C
C
The
pandemic
has
shown
us
that
people
need
affordable,
safe
ways
to
get
where
they
want
or
need
to
go
while
social
distancing,
our
traffic
congestion,
is
getting
worse
and
we
do
not
have
room
to
keep
widening
roadways
plus
wide
roads
are
more
difficult
to
cross
by
foot.
Our
greenways
need
to
be
connected
and
connect.
People
to
where
they
want
to
go.
Waiting.
10
plus
years
will
cause
more
injuries
and
deaths
for
those
traveling
on
foot
or
by
bicycle.
C
Our
congestion
will
continue
to
only
get
worse.
We
will
lose
opportunities
to
make
the
needed
connections.
As
an
example,
is
the
new
hotel
recently
completed
on
meadow
near
biltmore,
it
was
built
on
a
small
piece
of
land
right
up
against
the
road
and
now
there's
no
way
a
greenway
or
even
bike
lane
can
be
put
down
along
the
roadway
developers
from
outside
the
area
are
coming
to
asheville
and
developing
every
piece
of
land.
They
can.
C
Let's
make
a
concerted
effort
to
move
projects
with
greenways
to
priority
level
and
make
our
community
safer.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
make
my
comments
and
hope
you
will
move
help,
move
these
projects
forward
thanks,
claudia
nix
care,
asheville,
greenway
committee,
co-owner,
liberty,
bicycle.
B
Muted,
you,
those
are
very
powerful
words.
I
think
they
embody
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
a
lot
of
the
people
on
this
commission
have,
as
well
as
the
broader
public,
particularly
those
people
that
use
the
bike
and
pedestrian
facilities
and
find
them
to
be
completely
inadequate.
B
G
Hey
mike,
thank
you.
I
completely
agree
with
claudia's
words.
I
you
know
it's.
It
is
a
shame
when
I
ride
my
bike
on
that
new
section
and
I
get
to
the
bridge
and
I
want
to
go
to
carrier
park,
and
it
is,
you
know
it's
a
coin
flip.
G
If
you're
going
to
make
it
across
there,
it's
just
it's
really
uncomfortable,
it's
a
little
bit
easier
to
walk,
but
if
you're
trying
to
get
your
bike
up
that
step
in
that
narrow
lane,
that's
always
filled
with
kind
of
broken
glass
and
in
plastic
pieces
from
accidents.
G
It's
it's
quite
a
challenge,
so
I
you
know,
I
think
it's.
I
don't
know
how
much
control
that
we
have
as
a
unit
for
how
money
happens,
but
money
moves,
but
I
think
it's
something
we
definitely
need
to
be
focused
on.
G
If
there's
any
way,
I
believe
there
are
a
couple
of
the
greenway
projects
that
are
still
going
to
go
forward,
but
the
overall,
connecting
you
know,
I
think,
with
the
claudia's
point,
was
to
connect
all
these
these
neighborhoods
into
these
areas,
these
use
areas,
so
they
can
safely
get
to
those
folks.
It's
a
shame.
When
I
see
someone
that
has
to
take
their
bike
on
the
back
of
their
car
and
take
it
down
to
the
greenway
in
order
to
use
the
greenway,
it
seems
silly.
So
it's
frustrating.
So
you
know.
G
I
think
that
I
believe
that
you
know
we're
all
on
the
same
page
here,
but
certainly
doing
what
we
can
as
a
group,
and
then
you
know,
pushing
back
to
the
city
and
and
whoever
we
may
be
able
to
push
back
to
to
get
something.
Rolling
is
certainly
a
focus
that
we
should
have.
B
F
You
know
if,
if
you
close,
amboy
road
to
vehicular
traffic,
you're
gonna
hear
a
lot
of
kerfuffles.
So
you
know
it's
already
closed
to
multimodal
transit.
So
you
know
I
feel
like
dennis
you're
right
about
the
funding
situation.
I
mean,
even
if
we
pressure
the
city
to
allocate
funding
for
some
kind
of
multimodal
connection.
F
You
know
across
the
river
along
amboy
road,
I'm
not
sure
how
long
it
would
take
to
get
the
engineering
done
committed
through
the
state
level
and
then
to
get
the
you
know,
find
the
funding
and
then
to
get
it
built.
I
mean
it
might
take
as
long
as
dot's
the
amboy
road
project
anyway.
So
I
I
don't
know
what
action
we
could
take
to
expedite
the
process.
D
Is
that
anna,
it
is
yeah?
Sorry,
I'm.
My
video
is
not
showing
up
on
my
computer.
I
I
can
agree
with
everything
that
was
said.
I
would
like
to
do
some
more
personal
research,
but
also
think
it
might
be
an
opportunity
for
multimodal
to
explore.
D
I
know
that
you
can't
attach
certain
things
to
require
developers
to
include
in
certain
developments
but
exploring
those
potential
options
where
we
could,
or
even
looking
at
text
amendments
in
the
city
code.
That
would
maybe
advance
multimodal
initiatives,
especially
with
new
developments
that
come
about.
I
This
is
lydia
viewer
and
I
completely
agree
with
all
that
and
just
wanted
to
add
on
too
that
you
know.
Funding
with
dot.
Ncdot
is
really
hard,
and
I
guess
just
really
encouraging
the
city
to
attend
the
meetings
with
ncdot
and
like
the
mpos
and
just
really
get
in
front
of
them,
as
well
with
the
importance
of
our
city
over
here
on
the
western
part
of
the
state
that
you
know
the
meetings
in
raleigh
that
the
western
part
of
the
state
also
exists
and
is
just
as
important
and
then
yeah.
F
Kenny
yeah,
I
noticed
that
the
french
broad
river
west
greenway
segment
is
funded
and
should
be
going
in.
You
know
within
the
next
year.
That's
really
gonna
compound.
What
claudia
was
saying
about
you
know:
you're
gonna
get
people
on
both
sides
of
the
french
broad
river
and
they
can't
use
amboy
to
to
go
back
and
forth.
So
I
think
you're
going
to
get
even
more
foot
traffic
and
bicycle
traffic
in
this
area,
and
you
know
the
problem
is
going
to
compound.
I
Lydia
to
kind
of
figure
back
on
kenny,
I
kind
of
had
a
question.
I
noticed
that
we're
there's
a
commission
for
the
I-26
aesthetics
with
that
project
with
ncdot,
and
I
know
that
there's
a
greenway
flash
bicycle
part
going
over
the
french
bride
is
anybody
from
multimodal
a
part
of
that
as
like
a
liaison.
B
You
know
to
my
knowledge,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
any
crossover,
but
I
do
know
that
we
get
regular
reports.
So
that's
that's
something
to
stay
tuned
for.
O
This
is
kim
the
liaison
the
new
liaison
to
our
multimodal
transportation
commission
kim
rony
welcome
new
members.
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
when
I
was
on
the
multimodal,
I
was
the
formal
I
guess,
representative
from
multimodal
to
the
I-26
connector
aesthetics
committee
subcommittee
for
haywood
road
and
went
to
those
meetings
regularly.
It's
very
informative.
O
It's
not
a
bad
idea
to
go
ahead
and
make
that
connection
either
by
attending
the
meetings
or
applying
for
being
at
the
table
in
those
conversations,
I'll
also
be
the
liaison
to
the
french
spot
npo.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
for
elevating
those
conversations
need
to
be
proactive.
B
Thank
you
so
much
kim.
We
really
appreciate
that
insight
and
kim
has
a
wealth
of
knowledge
when
it
comes
to
this
to
this
commission,
I'm
still
relatively
new
at
this
this
role.
So
if
I
don't
have
an
answer,
we
can
get
an
answer.
So
just
know
that
that's
that's
the
case.
Also.
B
If
you
have
not
been
sent
the
openings
for
all
the
boards
and
commissions,
I
would
encourage
you
to
check
out
the
openings
that
are
currently
vacant,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
spillover
and
lydia
you're,
absolutely
right
that
a
lot
of
this
stuff
really
connects
there's.
One
of
the
main
reasons
that
I
wanted
to
be
on
on
multimodal
was
because
it's
so
all-encompassing.
B
It
kind
of
touches
quite
a
few
things
in
our
community
and
for
this
and
honestly,
like
multimodal,
is
one
of
the
most
visual
things.
You're
gonna
see
like
one
of
the
most
visual
parts
of
your
community.
B
There's
a
lot
that
we
can
do
here,
but
there's
a
lot
that
can
be
done
and
other
commissions.
So
if
you
can
serve
on
two,
that's
fantastic,
so
does
anybody
have
anything
else
to
say
on
this?
I
have
a
couple
comments
I
want
to
make,
but
if
I
don't
want
to
step
on
anybody.
C
Yeah
I
just
wanna,
I
wanna
say
that
we
as
a
commission
can
continually
advise
counsel
and
through
our
rep,
and
so
if
we
can
keep
multimodal
at
the
forefront
of
every
decision
made
that
the
council
makes
they
think
that's
a
good
thing
and
that's
our
job
so
kim
shouldn't
be
just
saying.
This
is
what
she
thinks.
Well,
she
say
that
certainly,
but
she
should
also
say
multimodal
as
the
organization
the
commission
of
the
city
keeps
advising
me
and
keeps
pressing
me.
C
You
know,
do
more
multimodal
and
we
need
to
keep
this
on
the
forefront
of
every
decision
we
make.
If
we
do
every
decision
in
the
context
of
how
it's
going
to
enhance
or
to
track
the
multimodal
transformation,
then
things
are
viewed
differently
and
it
shouldn't.
She
should
have
us
as
a
backup
to
her
to
be
able
to
constantly
say
you
know:
hey
they
keep
bugging
me.
They
keep
bugging
me.
I've
got
to
put
their
viewpoint
because
they're
very
active
and
they're
bringing
this
sports
me
all
the
time.
So
I
think
you
know
anytime.
C
B
I
think
that's
absolutely
right.
I
think
one
of
the
the
main
advantages
to
a
commission
like
this,
and
probably
one
of
the
reasons
that
they
even
put
it
together
in
the
first
place,
was
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
cover
and
by
them
I
mean
city
council.
It's
a
it's
much
easier
to
make
a
tough
decision
when
you've
got
numerous
boards
and
commissions
that
have
all
in
unison,
said
we
want
this
otherwise
special
interests.
Typically,
you
know
kind
of
make
their
way
in
and
they
get
to
be
the
loudest
voices.
B
But
we
need
to
do
our
job
and
be
the
squeaky
wheel.
If
we
want
to
see
any
change
in
this
community,
we
need
to
to
be
that
squeaky
wheel,
because
that's
the
squeaky
wheel's,
the
one
that
gets
to
grease
and
as
far
as
connectivity
is
concerned,
you
know
that
70
million
dollar
bond
that
was
passed
and
the
bulk
of
what
should
went
to
create
the
river
arts
district.
You
know
all
the
the
new
infrastructure
and
treatments
that
you
see
in
there
I'd
look
at
that
as
a
down
payment.
B
I
kind
of
think
of
that
as
the
let's.
Let's
call
it
the
the
spinal
cord
to
the
system,
and
now
we
need
to
start
thinking
about
how
do
we
connect
greater
asheville
to
that
spine
and
if
you
look
at
the
maps
that
spine's
going
to
stretch
all
the
way
it
you
know
to
woofing
and
and
beyond,
but
it's
the
central
core.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
we're
in
the
mountains.
B
That's
the
flat
area
in
town,
if
you're
a
runner,
if
you're
a
biker,
you
know
staying
alone
these,
these
rivers
and
these
these
these
greenways
along
the
swannanoa.
They
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
they're
flood
zones.
At
this
point,
we've
got
climate
change,
that's
changing
our
planet.
The
swano
river
is,
is
literally
going
to
have
to
come
up
on
on
the
totem
hole
for
spinning
for
d.o.t,
just
because
the
road,
the
road
is
now
becoming
undercut
with
the
amount
of
washout
that
we
get
from.
B
You
know
numerous
hundred
year,
storms
that
are
now
happening
every
couple
years,
so
there's
a
changing
planet
and
I
think
when
there's
a
lot
of
change
and
there's
a
lot
of
flux,
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
get
what
we
want,
because
we're
going
to
be
spending
money
either
way.
But
let's
do
it
wisely
and
we
need
to
have
shovel
ready
projects
in
front
of
our
our
decision.
Leaders
when
they're
ready
to
spend
that.
B
F
Kenny
yeah,
just
kenny
armstrong,
just
one
more
thing.
I
know
that
the
city
is
right
in
the
middle
of
pedestrian,
ada,
accessibility,
close
the
gap
plan
and
claudia's
point
about
amboy
the
bridge
over
the
french
broad
river.
On
amboy
road,
I
mean
that's,
that's
what
I
would
call
a
gap,
so
maybe
there's
a
way
to
go.
B
Well,
I
think
right
now
you
know,
let's,
let's
we've
got
our
new
group
of
folks,
let's
all
be
in
the
sponge
phase,
start
to
to
glean
information.
If
you
see
something
around
town
that
doesn't
seem
right,
it
seems
dangerous.
It
seems
odd
seems
like
something
that
shouldn't
be
in
asheville.
B
Let's
talk
about
that,
give
me
a
call
behind
the
scenes.
Let's
have
coffee,
let's
have
lunch.
Obviously,
let's,
let's
not
meet
in
a
quorum
because
that'd
be
against
the
rules,
but
I
think
individually.
This
group
needs
to
learn
what
makes
the
other
individuals
in
this
group
tick
and
that
way
we
can.
B
We
can
kind
of
figure
out
what's
the
best
game
game
plan
forward,
because
otherwise
we'll
get
to
this
meeting
and
we'll
just
have
a
conversation
about
the
problems
and
I'd
like
us
to
to
be
a
group
that
comes
in
the
table
with
solutions,
and
we
don't.
We
don't
really
do
that
work
unless
we
we
know
each
other
as
a
core
group.
So
I
would
I
would
urge
every
one
of
you
to
to
reach
out
to
members
on
here
I'm
going
to
try
to
get
a
a
list
of.
B
Contact
informants,
so
you
guys
can
also
reach
out
and
if
you'd
be
interested
in
having
coffee
with
me,
I'd
like
to
do
that
as
well.
B
Do
you
have
any
other
comments
before
we
move
on
okay?
So,
let's,
let's
keep
it
rolling.
B
B
Okay,
so
let's
move
on
to
new
business
and
the
first
action
item
on
new
business
is
to
review
and
recommend
an
appointment
for
the
remaining
vacancy.
That's
a
voting
vacancy
on
the
mmtc.
So
currently-
and
this
is
this-
was
the
again
I'm
going
to
refer
back
to
this
cheat
sheet.
This
is
the
cheat
sheet
that
says
we
have
so
many
members.
B
We
have
nine
that
are
voting
and
we
have
three
that
are
non-voting,
so
we
currently
have
one
voting
position
that
needs
to
to
be
filled
and
I
believe
we
had
had
some
applications
that
have
come
come
in
which
I'm
going
to
pull
my
agenda
back
up
on
one
second.
B
Jessica,
do
we
do
we
have
sorry.
A
You
have
the
applicant
the
application
in.
M
Your
packet
attached-
and
there
are,
I
believe,
one,
two,
three
four
five
applicants:
andy
aldridge
marty,
schultz,
maggie
ullman
bill
loftus
and
joseph
chesler.
I
believe.
B
Okay,
now
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
folks
have
had
an
opportunity
to
to
look
these
these
applications
over
before
we.
We
have
a
discussion,
typically
we'd
like
to
give
the
opportunity
for
these
candidates
to
come
and
speak
with
us
jessica
is
that
is
that
something
we're
doing
at
this
point?
Do
we
have
any
anybody
that
that's
currently
on
the
phone
or
able
to
do
that.
M
Is
on
right
now
I
believe
I
saw
bill
loftus
yep
and
I'm
not
sure
if
anyone
else
is
joseph
chesler
is
on.
I
think
sandy
eldridge
is
on.
I
think
all
of
them
are
on.
B
Okay,
well,
can
we
give,
I
mean,
can
we
go
ahead
and
give
him
an
opportunity
to
to
speak
to
us.
A
B
Okay,
if
you
would
because
you've
got
that
it
seems
like
you,
have
a
better
idea
of
who's
on.
Can
you
just
kind
of
go
down
one
by
one
and
let
them
know
when
they've
got
the
floor.
M
Sure,
let's
start
with
sandy
aldrich,
I
think
her
application
is
first
stance.
30
there.
P
Is
I
usually
don't
do
that?
Thank
you
for
that.
I'm
very
interested
in
this
group.
I
started
some
years
back
working
with
barbara
me
as
far
as
I
call
it
pedestrian
rights
in
asheville.
P
P
I
connected
with
the
division
13
here
in
asheville,
so
I'm
very
able
to
have
conversations
with
them
concerning
the
roadways
and
things
of
that
nature
and
I'm
very
excited
about
hearing
about
close
the
gap,
because
just
in
case
I'm
not
wanting
it
to
happen,
but
gas
prices
go
up.
People
are
gonna,
be
doing
a
lot
more
walking
in
the
city
and
there
needs
to
be
ample
walking
areas
for
everyone.
A
Hey:
let's
go
on
to
joseph
chesler
if
you're
on
the
line.
Q
Great
good
afternoon,
everyone
appreciate
this
opportunity,
michael
and
the
committee.
I
have
been
a
resident
of
asheville
for
about
two
and
a
half
years,
14
years
in
the
henderson
county
area
and
buncombe
county.
Now
I
am
a
professional
planner
urban
planner
and
environmental
planner
retired
since
moving
to
north
carolina
in
2006.
Q
Q
Exercise
my
professional
experience
as
an
urban
planner
and
recreational
planner,
in
los
angeles,
county
and
southern
california,
primarily
gave
me
the
opportunity
to
work
with
many
collaborative
efforts
with
combining
community
interests
with
agency
policies
and
requirements,
and
I
believe
that
that
experience
along
with
my
love
for
the
blue
ridge,
mountains
and
the
asheville
community
is
a
good
blend
that
would
bring
some
positive
energy
to
the
work
of
the
committee.
Q
B
Q
A
Hi
sorry,
our
next
person
is,
I
believe,
maggie
ullman,
maggie.
R
Hey
folks,
someone
can
hear
me,
I
hope,
great
nods
hi,
my
name's
maggie
and
I
would
love
to
become
a
teammate
on
the
commission.
I
have
a
long
history
with
local
government
with
this
local
government.
In
particular,
I
was
the
city's
first
sustainability
director.
I
served
for
seven
years
in
city
hall
here
in
asheville.
R
R
I,
after
leaving
city
hall,
like
I
run,
a
consulting
business
where
I
work
with
national
and
international
climate
non-profits
on
climate
change,
and
I
also
work
with
national
international
philanthropy.
So
the
consulting
work
is
fun
and
interesting
and
keeps
me
afloat
and
I'm
sure
that
there's
some
intersectionality
with
this
type
of
work,
but
really,
I
think
that
my
long-standing
experience
in
this
community
and
in
city
hall,
particularly
having
pursued
policy
changes,
gotten
policy
work
forward,
worked
with
the
transportation
department.
R
I
think
that
just
could
be
utilized
and
having
moved
away
for
two
years
and
then
just
rerouted
back
in
asheville
to
survive
the
pandemic,
but
also
to
kind
of
come
back
home,
I'm
really
eager
to
serve,
and
I
hope
this.
I
think
this
could
be
a
good
place.
If
it's
not
the
place
that
y'all
think
that's
fine
you'll
see
me
show
up
somewhere
else.
I'm
excited
to
come
back
to
work
in
our
community,
but
I
think
this
could
be
a
neat
spot.
R
So
thanks
for
your
time-
and
hopefully
we
can
work
together
in
some
way,
whether
it's
this
committee
or
some
other
way
that
we're
supporting.
A
Thank
you
maggie.
We
have
one
final
applicant.
A
S
Okay,
great
well,
hey
thanks
for
having
us.
You
know,
I'm
just
really
interested
in
this
just
to
go
over
who
I
am
and
what
I'm
about
so.
I've
been
a
resident
here
for
six
years
plan
to
live
here,
the
rest
of
my
life.
I
professionally,
I'm
a
supply
chain
management
consultant,
another
term
for
that
is
logistics.
S
It's
the
process
of
organizing
all
the
systems
and
processes
and
connectedness
around
moving
materials
through
the
supply
chain,
from
the
point
at
which
they
get
made
to
the
point
at
which
they
get
consumed,
and
most
of
my
work
in
that
area
has
been
around
either
transportation,
optimization
or
network
optimization
and
in
the
supply
chain.
Network.
Optimization
is
somewhat
akin
to
what
multi-modal
would
be
for
an
urban
environment.
S
S
Probably
you
know
decades
in
that
work.
I've
never
done
it
in
a
city
sphere
before
my
work
has
always
been
with
shippers,
so
companies
that
either
store
products
or
ship
products.
How
do
you
do
that
better
and
more
effectively
maintain
customer
promises
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff?
That's
what
my
work's
been
around.
So
one
of
the
reasons
when
I
saw
this
come
open
is
it
seemed
to
be
a
nice
fit
professionally
with
where
I've
been
I've
recently
I've
become
semi-retired.
S
If
you
will
I've
kind
of
hung
up
my
own
little
shingle,
where
I'm
working
in
the
supply
chain
world
with
a
focus
on
sustainable
practices,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
gap
in
that
world
around.
How
do
you
really
design
things
for
sustainable
purposes,
and
so
that's
kind
of
my
new
role
in
life
professionally?
S
The
other
thing
I'll
say
is
personally:
my
behavior
lends
itself
towards
multi
multimodal.
If
you
will
just
avid
walker
and
cyclist
I
lived
before
coming
to
asheville.
I
lived
for
most
of
my
adult
life
in
atlanta
georgia
and
I
was
an
avid
user
of
their
transit
system,
big
big
believer
in
good
transit
operations.
S
It
done
well,
they
can
take
cars
off
the
road
which
I
think
is
extremely
important
so
anyway,
my
why
here
is
about
I
care
about
it.
I
think
it's
important,
I
think,
we'll
be
a
healthier
city
if
we
can
figure
it
out
and
implement
more,
and
so
I
would
I
would
love
to
have
a
seat
either
formally
or
informally.
I'd
love
to
support
this
commission
as
you
move
forward.
So
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
bill
jessica
are,
we,
it
was
was.
Was
there
anybody
else.
A
I
think
that's
everyone,
unless
we.
Q
Okay,
all
right,
this
is
joe
I
already
well.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
then
I'm
gonna
open
up
this
up
for
for
discussion.
Anybody
has
any
comments.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
hear
those
dennis.
G
Thanks,
michael,
you
know,
I
have
to
say,
I
think
this
is
an
embarrassment
of
riches.
We
have
some
really
great
folks
and
thanks
everybody
for
taking
the
time
to
apply
and
kind
of
going
through
the
process.
I'm
just
recently
going
through
that
myself.
I
know
it's.
Sometimes
you
feel
like
you're
floating
out
there
a
little
bit
on
your
own,
but
so
it's
it's
definitely
appreciated.
I
I
honestly,
I
feel,
like
every
person
michael
can,
would
be
able
to
add
to
our
group.
G
I
feel
the
experience
and
the
the
kind
of
the
passion
or
interest
that
they
demonstrated
both
in
the
information
they
provided
us
and
then
today
shows
that
I
think
everyone
really
would
fit
well
into
this
group.
I
have
to
say
just
in
particular.
It
was
more
of
a
kind
of
a
just,
a
response
that
I
had
this.
Mr
schultz,
in
the
comments
that
he
provided
us
earlier
in
the
week
he
had
talked
about.
G
G
You
know
I
felt
like
there
was
some
benefit
there,
because
the
I
feel
like
that
is
something
that
we
should
shoot
for
and
having
someone
that
has
that
kind
of
hard
experience
of
working
with
that
group.
To
put
those
things
together,
I
think,
is
important.
I
think
that
all
of
these
folks
could
really
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
help
us
out
here.
So
I
you
know,
to
be
honest,
I
really
you
know.
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
difficult
next
step
that
we're
going
to
take
as
a
group.
B
J
I
would
like
to
echo
dennis's
comment.
You
know
we.
There
is
such
a
wide
slot
of
of
experience
and
abilities
that
these
applicants
are
bringing,
but
also
the
interests
that
I
think
others
are
bringing
simultaneously.
You
know
we
have
the
intersection
of
both
passion
and
technical
abilities,
but
also,
you
know,
a
great
amount
of
community
interest,
and
I
just
you
know
it's
refreshing
to
see
that.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
I'll
have
to
agree,
I
think,
the
the
caliber
of
folks
that
are
putting
their
names
in
the
hat.
You
know,
especially
during
a
really
difficult
time
in
in
our
just
our
country's
history.
I
mean
most
folks,
don't
have
the
bandwidth
to
add
something
like
this
to
their
plate,
but
I
really
appreciate
people's
willingness
to
do
that.
I
think
it
underscores
that
again.
B
You
know
some
of
the
deep
problems
that
we
have
in
this
community
that
that
need
to
be
fixed,
that
people
are
saying
that
you
know
what
that
that
kind
of
goes
up
a
priority
list,
a
little
bit
serving
on
a
board
or
a
commission
like
this.
So
we
we
appreciate
everybody
putting
their
their
name
in
because
we
know
it's
not
easy
work,
but
the
the
benefits
and
the
fruits
that
are
yielded
are
are
really
great
when
they
do
come
back.
H
B
B
E
I
think
it
would
be
perhaps
wise,
maybe
based
on
you
know
some
of
the
things
we're
likely
to
be
facing.
You
know
you
brought
up
the
climate
change
issue.
I
think
maggie
allman's
experience
with.
H
E
E
With
all
the
other
comments
before
it's
just
it's
an
amazing
group
of
applicants
for
sure.
B
You
know
joe,
I
really,
I
really
do
think
you
know.
We've
got
a
high
bar,
that's
set
with
with
these
applicants,
but
I
I
do
feel
that
if
there's
anything,
that's
that's,
I
think
really
missing
on
our
commission
now,
as
is
somebody
who's
prodding
us
almost
at
every
step,
and
to
say
you
know,
is
this:
is
this
the
right
step
to
curb
climate
change
on
a
local
level?
B
And
I
don't
know
if
our
group
currently
has
has
that
person,
and
we
probably
all
have
you
know
those
tendencies
we
don't
probably
you
know
feel
that,
but
in
terms
of
this
is
there
anybody
on
our
commission
currently
that
has
the
I
guess,
the
the
the
resume
that
kind
of
supports
that
work,
and
I
have
to
say
that
I
think
that's
that's
really.
What's
making
me
lean
toward
maggie
at
this
point
as
well.
E
I
I
guess
I
know
one
other
thing.
You
know
it
keeps
kind
of
popping
up
on
the
at
the
end
of
the
agenda
and
those
to
be
discussed
items
for
a
while
is
that
sacey
the
sustainability
liaison
and
that
might
be.
E
B
Well,
let
me
let
me
ask
jessica
this
question:
when
we
advertise
for
this
slot,
do
we
advertise
one
slot
or
two
slots.
B
M
I
mean
well
yeah.
We
we
advertised
for
one,
but
if
you
so
the
safety
seat
on
mmtc,
that
would
be
a
current
member
of
stacy.
M
Right
kind
of
like
joe
and
anna
are
are
from
different
committees
or
commissions,
and
they
are
non-voting
members.
That's
what
the
safety
seat
on
mmtc
would
be.
B
Okay,
well,
let's,
let's,
I
think
that
is
on
new
business,
where
we're
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
details
of
getting
that
particular
seat
filled,
but
it
sounds
like
we
can't
fill
both
of
those
today.
M
E
Okay-
and
I
guess
I
wasn't
thinking
necessarily
that
that
that
could
be
the
case
with
ms
allman's
appointment-
more
that,
if
perhaps,
let's
just
say
she
wasn't
appointed
today,
that
may
be
an
alternate
way
for
her
to
assist
us
how's
that
I
don't
know
if
she's
still
on
or
listening.
R
I
am
here,
and
I
will
say
that
definitely
coming
back
into
town,
I
was
like
stacy,
but
that
feels
a
little
close
to
home
having
staffed
that
for
seven
years,
and
I
love
amber
weaver
who's,
the
current
sustainability
director
and
it
just
feels
like
amplifying
all
she's
doing
and
staying
out
of
her
lane,
just
feels
more
supportive
of
the
good
work
that's
happening,
but
you
know
yeah
anyhow,.
B
Well
I'll
say
this:
if,
if
you
were
to
to
be
seated
on
today's
opening,
you'd
really
be
able
to
lay
as
well
with
with
that
incoming
member
and
that
group
and
you
could
probably
put
a
little
pressure
on
them
to
say,
hey.
You
need
to
send
somebody
up.
R
Yeah,
I
think
I'd
be
able
to
translate
you
know
if
the
reality
is
they
aren't
prioritizing
showing
up.
That
means
there
might
be
a
translation
thing
happening
of
they
see
that
there's
not
something
important
or
whatever,
and
so
I
think
that,
if
nothing
else
kind
of
getting
to
a
point
of
alignment
of
like
there
might
be
some
dual
value
here
would
be
a
really
good
first
step
and
then,
if
they
choose
to
show
up,
that's
really
on
them,
but
yeah.
B
I
mean
my
top
priority
again
is
to
get
getting
this
group
fully
quote-unquote
staffed,
we're
not
staff
positions
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
want
our
full
roster
and
I
I
do
think
that
that
we
are
out
by
not
having
the
the
stacy
seat
filled,
but
it,
I
think,
there'd
be
some
advantage
to
having
somebody
who's
who
has
been
in
that
that
group
before
and
knows
that
language
that
you
know
can
help
bridge
that
gap.
B
So
I
could,
I
I'm
pushing
you
know
for
maggie
and
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
put
a
motion
on
the
on
the
table
for
maggie
unless
any,
but
he
has
any
any
strong
thoughts
against
that.
But
I'd
put
a
motion
now,
if
there's
a
second
on
the
table
out
here,.
B
Okay,
so
I've
got
a
motion
which
was
mine,
michael
stratton,
a
second
from
lydia,
and
that
is
in
favor
of
recommending
maggie
ullman
and
at
this
point
we're
gonna
have
to
move
to
a
roll
call
vote
on
that.
One
get
my
little
cheat
sheet
back
out.
C
B
Okay,
we've
got
kenny
armstrong.
B
Okay,
dennis
wenzel
hi,
lydia
buer.
J
B
Okay,
so
moved
promotion
has
passed
and
we
will
go
ahead
and
make
this
recommendation
and
pass
it
all
on
to
city
council.
We
don't
seat
anybody,
but
what
we
do
do
is
send
this
along
up
the
chain
to
counsel
kim's
here
today,
so
she
was
able
to
hear
all
this
and
I'll
have
to
say.
Typically
they
they
kind
of
work
with
us
and
they
honor,
who
we
we
pick
unless
there's
something
that
they
know
that
we
don't.
So
we
look
forward
to
having
you.
B
And
we
really
again
appreciate
everybody
else
who
had
put
their
names
into
the
the
hat
on
this.
It's
really
difficult
sometimes
to
to
have
to
do
this,
because
we
know
that
any
any
one
of
the
people
that
put
their
names
in
today
could
have
done
the
job,
but
we
we
do
look
forward
to
your
support
and
we'll
continue
showing
up
to
these
meetings.
Public
comment
from
from
you
folks
is
obviously
really
important
as
well.
B
This
group
is
just
a
group
of
of
talking
heads
unless
we
get
the
general
public
involved,
so
we
we
know
that
you
still
have
a
responsibility
to
to
be
here
and
we
hope
you
do
so.
Thank
you.
F
Just
a
shout
out
to
everybody
for
showing
up
today
as
well,
and
I
think
there
might
be
a
spot
or
two
on
the
greenway
committee.
If
anybody
wants
to
throw
their
head
in
for
that
one.
B
Absolutely
hey!
That's!
That's!
That's
absolutely
right!
Just
as
I
said
earlier,
if
you
go
to
the
city's
website
go
to
the
boards
and
commissions,
there
are
a
number
of
vacancies
that
are.
P
B
That
I
think,
if
you
were
interested
in
this
particular
role,
then
you'd
probably
do
well
in
one
of
those
as
well
too
and
again,
there's
crossover
so
the
more
bridges
that
we
can.
We
can
build
the
better,
both
figuratively
and
literally.
B
Okay,
so
let's
move
on
don't
know
how
long
I
was
muted
on
that
last
minute.
You
probably
just
saw
me
talking
so
the
next
bullet
point
is
to
discuss
a
possible
change
of
day
or
time
to
the
mmtc
meeting.
B
There's
been
discussion
in
the
past
that
this
might
not
be
the
most
equitable
of
times
to
have
a
meeting,
because
it
really
yields
itself
to
allowing
folks
who
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
their
day
to
be
able
to
join
the
meeting,
and
our
community
is
bigger
than
just
that
cohort
of
people.
So
if
we
were
to
move
it,
the
discussion
topic
is
what
would
make
sense?
Where
would
we
move
it?
Do
we
keep
it
where
it's
at
I'll
open
that
up
who's
got
any
any
thoughts
on.
O
That
well,
michael,
if
I
may
interject
here,
this
is
kim.
There
is
a
great
amount
of
difficulty
for
me
to
be
attending
this
meeting,
but
I
am,
of
course,
going
to
prioritize
the
multimodal
transportation
commission.
One
of
the
things
that
has
come
up
in
the
past
is
once
a
meeting
is
established
a
lot
of
the
members
who
are
all
volunteers.
Thank
you
all.
So
much
have
moved
their
days
around
to
accommodate
this
meeting
so
a
lot
of
times.
B
B
Idea,
I
really
do
and
that
way
we
don't
have
to
kind
of
hash
this
yeah,
I
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
jessica
is
that,
is
that
something
that
you
could
help
us
facilitate.
A
Of
course
yeah
we
can,
we
can.
M
Send
out
a
doodle
poll-
and
we
will
just
have
you
know
monday
through
friday,
with
essentially
what
I
would
say,
probably
between
like
9
a.m
and
7
p.m,
and
people
can
say
which
hours
generally
work
for
them.
M
Although
I
guess
we'd
have
to
figure
out
what
day
or
what
week
of
the
month
as
well,
we'll
figure
it
out.
We
can
do
that.
B
Okay
and-
and
maybe
maybe
in
the
background-
is
there
a
way
that
I
could
kind
of
see
like
what
other
boards
commissions
are
doing
across
the
across
the
landscape.
M
Of
the
board
and
commission
and
committee
meeting
times
are
on
their
respective
pages
on
city
of
asheville
website.
C
Two
different
things:
maybe
one
one
is
what
people's
availability
is
and
then
the
second
thing
is
what
we
might
want
to
do
in
terms
of
priorities.
So
if
we
just
want
to
check
availability,
then
the
dual
pole
makes
total
sense,
but
if
we
want
to
move
the
meeting
to
make
ourselves
more
available
outside
normal
business
hours,
for
example,
that's
a
goal,
then
that's.
C
B
B
E
Well,
I
just
have
one
comment
or
consideration,
and
this
is
also
to
a
little
bit
of
a
question
for
jessica.
So
I
know
some
of
the
problem
has
been
now
with
the
pandemic
of
doing
the
virtual
meetings
and
city
staff
technical
staff
ability
to
do
those-
I
I
guess
one.
I
don't
think
the
city
sees
that
changing
for
what
another
six
months,
that
meetings
are
gonna.
E
That
meetings
will
still
be
virtual
for
at
least
another
six
months,
and
then
two,
I
guess
maybe
we
all
just
need
to
be
aware
of
that,
as
we
think
about.
Does
it
make
sense
to
change
the
time
right
now?
M
A
very
good
point:
if
we're
trying
to
work
to
a
place
where
we
just
have
one
person
such
as
amy
being
able
to
run
the
whole
show
behind
the
scenes
on
her
own,
and
I
I
think
we're
not
quite
there
yet,
because
I
think
we've
got
sarah
on
right
now,
helping
us
run
this
other
computer.
D
This
is
this
is
more
comment
on
the
meeting
in
general
and
understanding
and
knowing
that
it
can
be
difficult
for
folks
to
attend
whether
it's
commission,
members
or
folks
of
the
general
public,
and
just
really
wanting
to
like
reiterate
and
advocate
for
keeping
the
meeting
around
two
hours
and
trying
to
keep
it
within
the
scheduled
time.
D
I
know
that,
especially
with
having
to
go
virtual,
it
can
make
things
a
little
bit
see,
see
more
hiccups,
more
commonly
and
and
kind
of
draw
things
out,
but
just
wanted
to
to
keep
that
in
the
back
of
our
minds
too,
to
really
try
to
keep
it
at
the
two-hour
block.
Whatever
we
decide.
B
Point
in
six
months-
hopefully
we
won't
have
to
be
doing
this
virtually
anymore.
We
can.
We
can
make
this
a
speedier
meeting,
hopefully
that
alleviates
a
lot
of
the
the
problems
that
we
have.
Okay.
Well,
let's,
let's
do
this!
It
sounds
like
we're
all
in
agreement
that
let's
at
least
get
a
doodle
poll
to
talk
about
like
the
availability
of
what
we
have
on
this
group
currently
and
then
we'll
have
a
better
land.
We
can.
We
can
discuss
it
further.
Okay,.
F
Kenny
yeah
yeah
kenny
armstrong.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
now
is
a
good
time
to
do
this,
since
we've
got
what
four
new
members
on
so
we
might
have,
you
know
a
a
whole
new
range
of
opinions
about.
When
is
a
good
time
to
have
a
meeting,
so
we
we
were
all
accustomed
to
a
date
and
a
time,
but
now
we've
got
pretty
much
a
whole
new
board.
So
it's
now
is
a
good
time
to
be
doing
what
you're
doing.
B
Okay,
I
agree.
I
mean
that
yeah,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
flux
here,
so
we
can
kind
of
charter
on
some
of
our
own
rules.
I
guess
when
it
comes
to
our
meeting,
but
let's
let's
go
ahead
and
get
the
land
jessica.
If
you
can
facilitate
that
that
that
poll,
I
think,
that'd
be
really
good
and
then
we
can
have
an
opportunity
to
hammer
it
home,
perhaps
at
our
next
next
meeting.
B
Okay,
so
this
one
is
a
point:
transit
committee
members,
so
jessica,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
rely
on
a
little
bit
on
you
to
answer
some
of
this.
So
when
the
this
is
for
transit
committee,
so
when
they
appoint
their
members
they're
I
mean-
or
I
guess,
they're
they're
sending
up
their
recommendations
to
us
and
then
we
we
confirm
them
similar
to
what
we
do
with
city
council.
A
A
M
And
I
believe
we've
got
at
least
two,
if
not
all
of
the
three
which
any
you
know,
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
hear
from
them
per
se
unless
you'd
like
to,
but
these
were
all
recommended
by
the
transit
committee
at
their
previous
meeting.
B
Yeah
and
I'll
have
to
to
make
note
that
I
had
got
a
email
from
their
interim
chair
that
had
given
the
green
light
on
on
these
candidates
as
well.
I
will
say
this:
I
I
don't
have
any
questions.
I
I'm
ready
to
to
make
this
happen,
but
if,
if
any
of
you
guys
have
anything
that
you'd
like
to
say,
you
know
that
by
all
means
the
floor
is
yours.
If
you,
if
you'd
like.
B
G
Dennis
thanks
michael,
I
have
full
confidence
in
the
transit
committee
and
I
feel
like
going
through
the
you
know.
Our
packet
there's
some
great
folks
with
bringing
some
good
energy
and
good
experience.
So
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
approve
the
three
folks
with
miss
cox,
mr
oliver
and
miss
hunt
to
the
transit
committee.
B
Okay,
so
we've
got
a
motion
to
to
appoint
transit
committee
members
and
a
second.
The
members
up
for
appointment
are
rachelle,
sorensen
cox,
brandon,
oliver
and
alyssa
hunt,
and
we
are
going
to
go
to
a
roll
call
vote
on
that
item.
So
let's
get
it
going
so
randy
warren.
B
Dennis
wenzel
hi
lydia
hi
viewer,
hi,
michael
odell,
what
model
aye
and
john
visone.
L
B
Motion
has
passed,
congratulations
to
the
candidates
on
the
transit
committee
and
again
you
guys
got
me
flustered
on
the
names.
I
will
get
this
right.
I
promise.
B
F
Oh
just
a
comment
about
her
connection
to
the
school
system,
especially
with
greenways.
That's
such
a
universal
way,
for
you
know,
users
of
all
ages
and
backgrounds
and
ages.
So
I
think
it's
good
having
a
school
connection
on
the
greenway
committee.
B
B
Okay!
Well,
if
there's
no
more
discussion,
let's,
let's
have
a
motion.
If
you
guys
feel
that
that's
warranted.
J
B
And
john
bassoni
hi
all
right.
The
motion
is
passed,
congratulations
is
it
elida
or
lita.
B
Okay!
So
we
are
moving
on
to
right-of-way
closures,
right
away,
closure
review
and
the
first
one
up
is
the
unopened
alley
off
biltmore
avenue
and
we're
gonna.
Let
jessica
give
us
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this.
A
M
O
A
Okay,
so
what
you
see
here
is
a
parcel.
M
The
adjacent
or
budding
property
owners
are
buncombe
county
and
we
have
a
recommendation
to
approve
the
closure
from
the
trc
committee,
which
again
is
a
committee
that
is
comprised
of
staff
from
different
member
different
departments
of
the
city,
as
well
as
outside
organizations
such
as
the
sewer,
rich
district
and
various
utility
companies,
and
so
part
of
our
process
is
to
review
every
every
application
for
a
right-of-way
closure
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
conflicts
in
terms
of
utilities
and
but
also
from
a
multi-modal
perspective,
making
sure
that
there's
no
potential
connections
that
could
be
made
that
could
that
that
approving
a
right-of-way
closure
could
preclude.
M
And
so
in
this
case
there
do
not
appear
to
be
any
conflicts
with
either
of
those
perspectives,
and
so
the
trc
has
recommended
approval,
and
so
the
multimodal
commission-
and
this
is
kind
of
for
the
new
new
members
multi-modal
commission
reviews.
These
makes
a
recommendation
for
approval
or
denial
and
then
the
applicant.
Then
we
take
the
application
forward
to
the
city
council
for
review
and
approval.
K
My
apologies,
michael's
wyatt
stevens.
I
represent
milan
asheville,
the
applicant
on
this,
and
I've
got
two
zooms
going
on
your
zoom
took
a
lot
longer
than
I
thought
it
would,
and
so
I
I
had
to
jump
on
another
one.
So
my
apologies,
but
I'm
just
here
in
case
anyone
has
any
questions
about
this
application.
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward.
B
B
Okay,
all
right,
well,
folks,
the
for
new
folks
that
are
on
the
commission.
This
is
one
of
the
the
core
things
that
we
do.
We
look
at
these
little.
N
B
Of
land
that
pop
up
every
now
and
then
they're
kind
of
a
in
terms
of
real
estate,
they're
kind
of
an
interesting
booger,
really
I
mean
they're
they're,
city-owned,
quasi-city-owned,
they're
old
remnants
of
when
the
city
was
established
and
when
they
put
had
put
basically
maps
on
paper
or
roads
on
paper
or
corridors
on
paper,
maybe
those
those
little
alleys
never
actually
came
to
fruition
or
they
fallen
out
of
out
of
use.
There's
a
number
of
different
things
that
go
on
with
it
and
some
of
them
are
pretty
benign.
B
I
think
this
is
a
good
case
of
one
that
is
pretty
benign.
We
rely
on
city
staff
to
also
buttress.
You
know
that
that
that
thought-
and
in
this
case
it
looks
like
a
number
of
folks
have
said-
there's
going
to
not
be
any
issues
with
closing
this
up.
But
this
is
our
opportunity
to
to
question
that
and
see.
If
that's
what
we
think
as
well,
I
don't
seem
to
think
that
there's
any
issues
unless
you
guys
do
but
dennis
you've
got
something.
B
G
I
completely
agree
with
you.
I
feel
like
this,
maybe
was
had
some
transportation
use
prior
to
the
county,
putting
in
the
parking
deck,
but
now
that
that's
there,
this
really
doesn't
go
anywhere.
So
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
the
row
closure
of
the
unopened
alley
off
of
biltmore
avenue.
B
Very
good
drive
a
second.
B
Avenue
and
we'll
move
to
a
roll
call
vote
so
randy
warren
hi,
kenny,
armstrong,
hi,
dennis
wenzel
hi,
lydia,
buehler
hi,
michael
waddle,
hi,
I'm
john
bosone
hi.
Okay,
the
motion
is
passed
all
right.
Let's
move
to
the
second
one.
B
A
M
A
alleyway
that
is
like
michael
very
much
just
said
it
was
a
part
of
a
you
know,
a
historic
flat.
There
is
a
subdivision
that
is
going
to
be
created
on
this
parcel.
That
was,
I
believe,
previously
approved,
and
this
is
right
off
of
bellevue
road,
which
I
believe
is
let's
say,
I
think
it's
south
of
rock
hill
road
and
between
sweden,
creek
and
hendersonville
road.
M
I
believe,
if
I
have
that
right-
and
this
is
an
alleyway
that
does
not
have
any
conflicts-
does
not
present
any
opportunities
for
connectivity
for
multimodal
and
was
recommended
for
approval
by
the
technical
review.
B
All
right,
so
this
one
to
me
is
not
as
straightforward
just
just
because
I
I
feel
like
it'd
be
nice
if
we
had
some
better
mapping
and
that's
something
that
that
has
been
on
on
my
internal
agenda
to
get
on
the
actual
agenda,
which
is
to
to
get
better
maps
for
our
group.
When
we
look
at
these
and
make
recommendations,
I
mean
from
this
picture.
It's
it
looks
like
there
is
a
subdivision.
That's
below
this
south.
A
Correct
yeah-
and
I
agree
with
you.
M
It
just
doesn't
really
provide
an
opportunity
like
it
looks
like
on
a
flat
map,
and
so
you
know
in
the
future
I
agree
we
can
bring.
We
can.
We
can
provide
some
better
aerial
images
and
multiple
aerial
images.
If
that
can
help,
you
guys
see
the
context
better
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
B
You
know,
I
think
at
base
minimum,
and
I
would
be
more
than
willing
to
help
on
this
is
maybe
we
just
put
a
google
map
together
with
with
different
waypoints
on
there.
That
way,
we
can.
We
can
do
our
own
zooming
in
and
out
based
off
of
where
the
parcel
is
because.
B
This
photo
is
not
interactive,
so
I
can't
zoom
in.
I
can't
do
street
view.
I
can't
do
anything
like
that.
It
makes
it
really
difficult
for
for
us.
B
To
make
accurate
recommendations
when,
when
we're
just
kind
of
taking
word
for
it,
I'd
like
to
have
have
those
maps
kind
of
in
our
hands
before
we
get
to
this
meeting
even.
C
Randy,
I
I
actually
do
that.
I
click
on
the
google
maps
to
be
able
to
reference
it,
because,
even
though
this
is
only
maybe
like
a
half
mile,
my
house-
I
didn't
necessarily
you
know,
know,
but
but
this
this
road,
if
it,
if
it
didn't,
if
hendersonville
road
was
the
access
to
bellevue,
for
example,
then
it'd
be
a
big
issue.
I
think
closing
this,
because
that
would
eliminate
a
north
south
wave
not
going
out
of
biltmore,
but
there
is
another
road,
though,
to
the
east
of
hendersonville
road.
C
M
A
M
Where
the
alleyway
is
terminating,
if
you
zoom
into
there
there's
an
existing
house,
that's
pretty
much,
almost
literally
on
the
property
line,
so
it
effectively
blocks
off
any
potential
connection,
unless
of
course,
that
home
was
to
go
away
or
be
redeveloped.
M
A
lot
of
the
parcels
in
this
area
are,
you
know,
larger,
larger,
larger
parcels
with
single-family
homes.
It
does
appear
that
there
is,
you
know,
redevelopment
occurring
in
this
area
of
town.
We
are
looking
at
this
area
pretty
closely,
particularly
because
of
wanting
to
try
to
provide
more
connectivity
between
hendersonville,
road
and
sweden
creek
road.
M
I
guess
adjacent
to
adjacent
to
sweden,
creek
road
and
really
limits
any
opportunity
for
more
east-west
connections.
Granted.
This
isn't
not
an
east-west
connection,
but
that
wasn't
something
that
we
were
looking
at
with
this
parcel
as
well,
because
if
you
look
off
to
the
left-hand
side,
there's
an
unopened,
right-of-way
called
bellevue
road,
and
that
also
doesn't
exist,
and
so
we
were
looking
at
whether
this
this
project
could
provide
opportunity.
Connect
to
that
and
again
it
was
a
matter
of
topography
being
significantly
steep
on
that.
M
On
that
corner
of
the
parcel,
as
well
as
really
not
even
if
it
were,
could
be
done
physically,
it
wouldn't
really
provide
much
benefit
per
se,
because
you
couldn't
take
bellevue
road
and
connect
directly
to
sweden
creek
because
of
the
railroad
anyway.
So
again,
we're
looking
at
these
very
closely
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
shooting
ourselves
in
the
foot
by
letting
a
right
away
go
and
this
one.
This
one
in
my
opinion,
is
one
that
really
isn't
going
to
help
us
at
this
point.
B
But
I
don't
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
be
in
this
position
again
and
this
isn't
this
isn't
anything
on
it
on
anybody.
I
just
think
that
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
again
I've
wanted
to
have
changed
even
before
I
was
I
was
chair,
so
maybe
you
know,
I'm
gonna
take
your
your
judgment
on
this
one,
but
moving
forward.
Let's,
let's
get
together
and
figure
out
what
our
mapping
abilities
are
and
aren't
so
we
can
come
to
the
table
with
a
better
product
next
time,
anna.
D
For
me,
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
others.
It
would,
I
think
it
would
be.
The
problem
would
probably
be
solved
if,
like
have
staff
drop
pins
on
google
earth
of
each
site
in
particular,
and
then
send
us
a
link
in
advance,
and
then
we
can
click
that
link
and
then
go
in
and
look
at
either
the
aerial
view
if
it
doesn't
allow
for
the
street
view
or
the
actual
street
view
and
there's
no,
you
know
confusion
or.
B
Ambiguity,
that's
that's
phenomenal.
That's
a
great
idea!
I
think
that'd
be
helpful
too,
because
then
we,
if
we
physically,
want
to
go
out
there
and
drive
it
or
or
run
it.
I
did
that
with
the
biltmore
one
this
morning.
I
want
to
run
ran
by
that
so
yeah.
If
we
get
those
drop
pins.
That's
that's
helpful.
I
This
is
lydia.
Can
I
add
something
I
would
like
to
see
the
gis,
because
that's
what
I
go
to
to
look
at
so
I
can
see
like
the
sewer
lines
and,
like
you
know,
just
all
the
other
connectivity
options
as
well
and
I'd
be
willing
to
help
with
that
too.
B
Yeah,
I
have
to
concur.
The
gis
is
really
robust
here
in
buncombe
county.
It's
not
the
same
across
the
board
for
different
counties
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
wealth
of
of
knowledge
that
that's
there
from
including,
like
steep
slope,
stuff,
there's
a
steep
slope
overlay,
which
would
be
really
helpful
and
probably
for
something
like
this
jessica.
Where
we're
looking
from
a
30,
000
foot
vantage
point
down
flat
on
gis,
we
can
put
the
overlay
of
the
steep
slope
and
then
immediately
see.
A
F
B
Kenny,
you
were
a
bit
muted
on
your
comment.
There
is
there
any
way
to
kick
up
your
volume
there?
I
wasn't
able
to
hear
you.
F
Yeah
sorry
yeah,
the
I
was
gonna
say
it.
It
would
be
nice
to.
F
I
think
it's
on
gis
as
well,
but
looking
at
the
city's
bike
pad
recommendations
that
exist
just
so,
we
can
remind
ourselves
to
be
consistent
with
the
city's
plans,
just
in
case
there's
a
nearby
connection
that
could
be
made.
That
might
benefit
from
a
particular
right
of
way,
or
you
know
if
biltmore
avenue
had
a
a
proposed
multi-use
path
along
the
length
of
it.
Just
just
to
remind
ourselves
that
you
know
these
plans
do
exist
and
it's
good
to
reference
them.
When
we
make
these
decisions.
B
It
sounds
like
I've
got
some
mappings
on
on
our
commission,
which
is
great,
I
think
that's,
that's
really
awesome
again.
This
is
another
opportunity
where
I
think
if
we
were
to
want
to
meet
outside
of
of
this
of
this
meeting
kind
of
come
up
with
some
brainstorming
activities
and
say:
okay,
we
if
we
had
a
map
and
it
had
everything
we
wanted
on
it.
What
would
it
be?
B
I
would
I
would
ask
anybody
that
wants
to
to
get
with
me
and
go
to
coffee
will
sit
outside
in
one
of
the
pedestrian
prioritized
zones
and
we'll
talk
it
out.
But
let's,
let's
move
on
on
this
one.
E
Michael,
I
just
have
a
quick
yeah.
If
I
could.
I
and
I
hate
to
do
this,
but
I
just
I
need
to
this
is
one
where
I'm
just
going
to
keep
hammering
that
we
need
a
better
process
for
these.
E
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
here
just
shortly
about
temporary
right
of
ways,
but
this
is
one
of
those
that,
like
talking
about
connectivity
and
seeing
that
unopened
right
away
from
bellevue,
that
the
same
amount
of
land
could
get
turned
you
could
you
could
have
if
the
process
was
in
place,
you
could
say
you
have
to
provide
that
same
amount
of
property
in
a
different
orientation
and
make
a
different
connection.
I
don't
see
that
these
things
necessarily
have
to
stay
in
the
same
exact
place,
or
maybe
it
becomes
dedicated
open
space
for
that
subdivision.
E
M
B
Got
some
insight
on
you
know
that
aspect
of
how
things
lay
and
I
think,
a
little
bit
more
robust
view
that
we
might
have
on
on
multimodal
when
he
has
something
to
say
on
stuff
like
this
okay.
Well,
this
has
been
informative.
I
I
want
to
learn
from
this,
but
let's
not
take
too
much
time
on
it
again.
B
I
want
to
trust
jessica's
judgment
on
this
unless
somebody
you
know,
doesn't
want
to
that's
going
to
show
up
in
the
votes,
but
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
motion
to
to
get
this
rolling.
Do
I
have
a
motion
on
this.
G
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
the
closure
of
the
right-of-way,
I'm
doing
open
alley,
formerly
off
of
bellevue
road.
B
Okay,
so
I
have
a
motion
and
I
have
a
second
to
close
the
unopened,
the
formerly
owned,
open
alley.
I'm
sorry
unopened
alley,
formerly
off
bellevue
road.
Now
we'll
move
it
to
a
roll
call
vote,
randy
warren
hi,
okay,
kenny,
armstrong,
hi,
dennis
wenzel,
hi,
lydia
viewer.
H
J
B
John
bosone
hi,
okay,
the
motion
has
passed
but
again
I'm
serious
guys,
let's,
let's,
let's
put
our
heads
together
outside
of
this
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
some
different,
better
maps,
because
this
stuff
comes
up
in
every
one
of
our
meetings
and
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
best
information
in
front
of
us
and
we
know
what
we're
looking
at.
B
So
next
up
on
the
agenda
is
to
discuss
the
temporary
right-of-way
closure
policy.
Basically
we're
gonna
keep
talking
about
what
we
were
just
talking
about,
but
jessica
actually
has
a
presentation
on
this,
and
then
we
can
discuss
a
little
bit
more
so,
like
I
said,
this
is
something
that
comes
up
over
and
over
and
over
and
we've
been
wanting
to
have
an
opportunity
to
have
this,
this
presentation
by
jessica
and
discuss
so,
let's,
let's
have
it
jessica.
A
M
I'm
gonna
ask
amy
if
she
could
pull
up
my
presentation
since
my
computer's
not
cooperating
and
just
to
clarify.
We
were
just
talking
about
permanent
right-of-way
closures.
M
This
presentation
is
on
temporary
right-of-way
closures,
so
it's
it's
actually
quite
different
and
we
we
will
have
a
conversation
about
permanent
right-of-way
closures
at
a
later
meeting
date,
but
temporary
ones
are
are
something
that
we
are
working
to
update
our
policy
on
now
as
well,
and
primarily
the
reasons
I
mean,
there's
multiple
reasons
why
we
have
wanted
to
update
this
policy
and
I
will
get
into
some
of
those
in
the
presentation.
M
We
also
have
this
linked
in
your
agenda,
as
well
as
our
project
charter,
which
is
an
internal
document
that
staff
uses
when
we
are
starting
a
project
or
a
program
that
kind
of
outlines
what
the
purpose
is
and
what
the
what
the
who
the
stakeholders
are
and
what
the
general
issues
are
that
we're
trying
to
address.
M
Could
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please.
M
Sections
of
state
law
that
that
provide
us
authority
to
regulate
and
control
public
streets.
So
what
you
have
I
won't
go,
I
won't
read
them,
but
essentially
we
as
a
city
are
given
the
right
by
the
legislature
to
control
traffic,
to
regulate
traffic,
to
figure
out
ways
to
to
do
so
to
permit
those
things.
M
So
we
have,
you
know
essentially
all
of
the
rights
except
for
on
dot.
Roadways
like
like
the
interstate,
for
example,
to
determine
if
we
want
to
allow
a
closure
and
if
we
do
want
to
allow
a
temporary
closure,
how
should
it
be
done
and
we
have
the
ability
to
put
conditions
or
requirements
as
part
of
a
permit
for
that
next
slide.
Please.
M
So,
as
I
said,
our
charge
is
to
we,
we
have
the
charge
to
maintain
transportation
facilities
and
state
laws
says
that
we
are
to
ensure
that
facilities
are
kept
open
and
free
from
unnecessary
obstructions.
So
essentially
we
have
the
power
to
close
any
street
or
alley
either
temporarily
or
permanently.
In
this
case,
we're
talking
about
temporary.
M
A
M
So,
just
to
give
you
guys
some
examples
when,
when
we're
talking
about
temporary
right-of-way
closures,
pretty
much
what
we're
talking
about
is
when
there's
some
kind
of
construction
going
on
or
some
kind
of
maintenance
work
that's
going
on,
so
it
could
be,
it
could
be
anywhere
in
the
city,
it
could
be
a
sidewalk,
it
could
be.
You
know,
utility
work
or
tree
trimming,
or
even
somebody
who
is
moving
into
a
new
condo
downtown
and
they
need
to
have
some
parking
spaces
closed
for
their
moving
truck
these.
M
These
are
actually
things
that
we
want
to
have
permitted
so
that
we
have
an
idea
of
what's
going
on,
try
to
eliminate
conflicts.
That
might
happen
like,
for
example,
let's
say
we
know
that
we
have
a
construction
project
that
we're
going
to
embark
on
next
week
and
somebody
else
says:
well,
we
want
to
close
down
a
lane
for
tree
trimming.
Well,
we
need
to
know
that,
and
we
need
to
know
that
so
that
we
can
coordinate
those
and
make
sure
that
they
don't
conflict
with
each
other.
M
So
right
now
we
do
have
a
process
for
this
in
place.
It's
not
it's
not
a
bad
process,
but
it's
definitely
not
as
efficient
as
it
could
be,
and
it
definitely
doesn't
reflect
the
level
of
complexity
that
some
of
these
closures
can
have
so
I've
been
using
using
some
projects
as
an
example
of
what
we're
trying
to
improve
and
the
project
that
I
often
refer
to,
which
is
a
lovely
project
but
took
a
very
very
long
time
to
construct
and
is
still
ongoing.
Is
the
heiress
hotel
downtown?
M
M
A
single
fifty
dollar
permit
that
lasts
for
one
month
and
then
can
be
renewed
and
we
require,
as
part
of
our
process,
to
submit
a
traffic
control
plan.
But
we
don't
really.
We
don't
really
require
a
rigorous
traffic
control
plan,
and
so
these
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
we're
trying
to
focus
on
is,
and
it's
not
to
you
know,
punish
any
anybody.
M
Necessarily,
it's
really
just
to
try
to
have
better
coordination,
better
safety,
better
public
notice
of,
what's
going
on
and
and
just
making
sure
that
that
there's
recognition
that
these
types
of
closures
can
have
a
big
impact
on
neighboring
properties
and
on
the
traveling
public
right
now.
We
also
don't
really
have
an
enforcement
mechanism
in
our
code,
so
we
can
assess
a
fifty
dollar
fine
for
obstructing
the
right-of-way.
M
But
you
know
for
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
I'll
say.
A
lot
of
contractors
might
just
say:
well,
I'd
rather
pay
the
fine
than
than
stop,
and
so
we
don't
really
have
any
way
to
make
that
more
significant
or
really
encourage
careful
thought
and
planning
by
by
developers,
contractors
etc
on
how
to
plan
their
projects
so
that
they
minimize
their
impacts.
M
But
you
know
we
don't
have
anything
that
really
pushes
the
the
applicant
to
consider
all
other
alternatives.
To
closing.
Do
you
really
need
to
have
that
crane
in
our
parking
lane,
or
could
that
crane
be
accommodated
on
your
site?
M
Our
current
process
is
a
one-size-fits-all,
so
it's
like
you,
pay
fifty
dollars
if
you're
closing
closing
something
for
a
day
or
you
pay
fifty
dollars
for
a
month
it
just
it
doesn't
really
have
any
tie
to
the
impact
and
and
also
greenways,
is
something
that
we
want
to
address
as
well
and
and
have
something
in
our
policy
and
process
for
greenway
closures
that
may
need
to
occur
as
well.
Next
slide.
M
So
other
issues
that
we
also
have
have
to
do
with
just
the
our
internal
processes
a
lot
of
times
we
get
applications
turned
in
very
late.
It's
like
we'll
have
a
contractor
come
in
and
say
I
need
to
close
this
this
lane
tomorrow
and
it's
like
no.
You
have
to
give
us
more
more
time
to
review
this
and
to
let
other
departments
know-
and
you
know
we
do
require-
that
they
provide
traffic
control
plans,
but
a
lot
of
times
we
get
pretty
substandard
traffic
control
plans
that
don't
really
comply
with.
M
M
These
are
the
you
know
what
we're
closing
down
and
have
it
kind
of
on
a
map,
and
so
we
want
to
improve
that
process
and
we
want
to
make
it
more
consistent
across
the
board
for
for
applicants
and
again
we
have
we
don't
really
at
this
point,
we
don't
really
have
any
teeth
to
provide
more
scrutiny
about
the
purpose
of
the
closure
and
really
look
at
these
things
closely
and
say:
do
you
really
need
to
do
that,
or
can
it
be
accommodated
in
a
different
way?
K
M
It's
been
approved
and
then
they
don't
pay
for
it,
because
we
don't
actually
charge
for
it
until
after
it's
been
approved,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
want
to
fix
as
well,
and
we
do
not
currently
require
a
permit
for
any
work.
That's
going
on
going
on
on
a
dot
road
and
we
actually
do
have
the
legal
ability
to
do
that.
Other
cities
in
the
state
do
that
and
for
us
you
know,
many
of
our
main
roadways
are
d.o.t
roadways,
and
so
it's
important
for
us.
A
M
You
know
it
does
have
an
impact
on
our
citizens,
so
we
do
have
the
legal
ability
to
do
it,
and
so
we're
looking
to
add
that
into
our
our
permit
is
to
say
you
have
to
have
a
permit
from
us
and
you
have
to
have
a
permit
from
dot,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
be
checking
checking
it.
Just
like
d.o.t
is
going
to
be
checking
it.
M
We
don't
actually
require
anything
from
our
own
city
department.
So
you
know
we
do
have
various
forms
of
internal
notification
like,
for
example,
if
the
water
department's
going
to
do
a
an
improvement
project.
You
know
they
tell
us
that
it's
going
to
happen
and
that
gets
coordinated,
but
I
think
what
we're
considering
is
possibly
having
permits
required
from
internal
departments
as
well.
We
likely
would
not
charge
ourselves
the
fee
for
it,
but
at
least
having
something
on
paper.
M
That's
filled
out
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
on
file
and
be
aware
of,
and
we
don't
have
any
of
this
online.
So
that's
another
thing
that
we're
trying
to
solve
as
well
is
have
have
it
so
that
applicants
can
more
easily
submit
these
applications
and
the
information
that
goes
with
it
and
process
the
payments
online
join
the
21st
century
and
get
that
done
next
slide.
M
So
other
issues,
fees,
fifty
dollars
is
what
we
charge,
which
you
know
for
a
one-day
tree
trimming
event
or
something
or
or
somebody
needing
to
have
a
moving
truck
there
for
a
couple
of
days.
I
think
that's
completely
reasonable,
but
for
some
of
these
larger
scale
projects,
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
our
fees.
Not
only
should
the
fee
cover
the
staff
time
to
review
them,
but
we
also
have
to
have,
in
my
opinion,
some
tied
to
the
impact
that
is
created,
not
necessarily
an
impact
fee.
M
It's
just
a
recognition
of
the
ongoing
process
of
of
these
projects
that
can
take
up
a
lot
of
space
cause
a
lot
of
disruption,
and
you
know
our
our
goal
is
to
get
to
a
place
where
we
actually
have
enforcement
and
inspection
and
and
folks
out
there
taking
a
look
at
periodically
to
make
sure
that
that
the
closure
is
compliant
is
safe
and
that
they're
doing
what
they
need
to
do
so
we're
looking
at
as
a
model
or
looking
as
a
model
at
a
lot
of
the
development
services
fees,
and-
and
you
know
they
have
fees
for
things
such
as
needing
to
have
your
permit
extended
or
if
you
need
expedited
review,
there's
additional
fees
that
can
be
paid
or
if
you
turn
it
in
late,
and
you
only
give
us
three
days
instead
of
10
days,
then
you
might
have
to
pay
a
little
extra
for
that.
M
And
I
already
mentioned
this,
but
we
really
have
little
to
no
enforcement
ability
in
our
code.
You
know
when
we
do
see
something
bad
happening.
We
do
go
out
there
and
talk
to
the
contractor
or
whoever's
there
and
nine
times
out
of
ten.
M
I
think
we
get
compliance
and
cooperation
and
that
will
always
be
what
we
what
we
strive
for,
but
you
know
we
do
need
need
the
ability
to
be
able
to
enforce
more
rigorously
when
we
need
to,
and
so,
if
you're,
a
repeat
offender,
there
might
be
a
consequence
to
that
or
if
something
is
very
you
know
very
dangerous,
then
we
need
the
ability
to
to
stop
that
work
immediately
and
take
control
of
the
situation,
and
so
we
we
will
be
looking
at
ordinance
changes
to
give
us
those
those
abilities
next
slide.
Please.
M
So
one
of
the
there's
many
objectives
for
this,
many
of
the
things
that
I
just
mentioned
are
things
that
we
aim
to
to
fix,
but
the
the
primary
objectives
here
we
have
one
of
them
that
we
continually
have
issues
with
is
especially
when
it
comes
to
sidewalk
closures.
Is
that
we're
not
seeing
ada
access
maintained?
M
And
so
that's
a
big
part
of
this
is
trying
to
ensure
that
if
a
construction
project
needs
to
close
a
sidewalk
that
they
have
provided
an
alternative,
ada
compliant
route
and
continue
to
allow
folks
to
get
to
where
they
need
to
go
again,
we
want
to
provide
consistency
and
treat
everybody
fairly
and
and
make
sure
that
we
have
a
predictable
process
for
applicants
next
slide.
M
A
M
I
won't
go
through
all
of
these,
but
these
are
the
kinds
of
proposed
solutions
that
we're
looking
at,
requiring
essentially
requiring
more
information
to
be
provided
at
the
time
of
application
and
to
show
the
purpose
and
need
of
the
closure.
And
the
extent
of
the
closure.
The
length
of
time
of
the
closure
and
to
recognize
that
some
locations,
such
as
downtown,
do
have
more
impacts
of
closures.
K
M
M
Again,
our
fees,
we
want
to
try
to
address
that
the
number
of
those
issues
we
want
to
have
a
base
application
fee,
that's
the
same
for
all
types
of
closures
and
then
a
separate
permit
fee
that
has
more
of
a
tie
to
the
impact.
If
you
will
so,
is
it
one
day
or
is
it
one
year?
M
Is
it
downtown
or
is
it
just
on
a
residential
local
street,
so
we'll
have
a
different
fee
structure
that
recognizes
that
and
we'll
also
have
you
know,
fees
fees
that
will
ensure
that
we're
at
least
covering
our
staff
time
as
part
of
this
review
process,
which
is
actually
required
of
us
to
do
and
is
how
most
of
the
city
or
all
of
the
city's
fees
are
theoretically
supposed
to
be
based
on
next
slide,.
A
A
M
Then,
on
the
enforcement
side,
we'll
be
updating
our
ordinances
to
to
make
those
more
rigorous,
establish
different
levels
of
enforcement.
So
again
we're
always
going
to
start
with
with
you
know,
asking
for
compliance,
but
if
we
have
serious
issues
we
might
might
need
to
stop
work
immediately.
M
If
you
are,
you
know
a
repeat
offender
or
you
have
cumulative
offenses,
then
perhaps
there
are
penalties
that
escalate
and
we
and
we're
always
going
to
give
a
timeline
for
compliance,
and
this
is
very
similar
to
unless
it's
an
emergency
situation
very
similar
to
what
we
have
for
violations
of
our
zoning
ordinance.
So
we
might
issue
a
notice
of
violation
and
have
a
certain
time
limit
for
them
to
cure
the
situation,
and
so
that's
the
kind
of
model
that
we're
looking
at
for
this
as
well.
M
M
M
1St
sounds
like
a
really
long
time
from
now,
but
I
think
it's
it's
the
most
reasonable
timeline
for
us
right
now,
given
everything
that
we
have
going
on-
and
you
know
we
a
big
part
of
this-
is
we
need
to
do
a
lot
of
public
outreach,
not
only
to
groups
like
you
guys
and
the
downtown
commission,
but
we
also
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
conversations
with
the
contractor
community
and
the
development
community
and
get
feedback
from
them
on
it.
M
So
it's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time
to
do
that,
as
well
as
develop
all
the
backend
processes
like
working
with
it,
which
we're
doing
right
now
to
come
up
with
a
seamless
online
permit
process
with
fee
payments,
and
then
ultimately,
this
would,
when
we
have
a
draft
policy
in
hand,
we
would
bring
it
back
to
you
guys
and
then,
ultimately,
it
would
go
to
council
for
approval.
M
They
would
approve.
Ultimately,
they
have
to
approve
any
new
fee
structures,
and
so
the
goal
is
to
have
all
of
this
in
place
by
july
1.
and
I
think
that's
all
I've
got
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Wow.
It
is
already
five
o'clock
and
vadilla
hasn't
even
gone,
yet
I'm
so
sorry-
and
perhaps
maybe
we
should
just
have
adele
come
to
the
next
meeting.
I
don't
know
if
he's
even
still
here.
M
C
Just
real
quick
this
this
this
is
super
important
jessica,
really
appreciate
you
working
on
it.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I
see
sidewalks
they're
just
closed
in
the
middle
of
a
block
and
the
closest
waving
across
the
street
is
you
know,
maybe
a
half
mile
away,
and
there
was
no
notice
that
you
shouldn't
be
going
down
the
sidewalks
there
so
yeah
it's
it's
super
important.
What
you're
doing
here
really
appreciate
you
putting
time
into
it.
A
B
I
agree
with
that.
I
was,
I
was
on
a
run
today
and
there
was
a
a
big
garbage
bin
that
was
right
in
the
middle
of
the
sidewalk
and
it
looked
like
it
had
been
there
for
a
long
time,
but
there's
it
sounds
like
if
there's
no
reason
to
move
it,
then
that's
what's
going
to
happen.
B
H
B
Any
specific
questions
I
I
had
a
few
questions
but
I'll
wait
and
go
again.
D
D
Okay,
this
is
great
yeah
much
needed
and
I'm
really
happy
that
it's
moving
forward,
and
I
would
say
I
know
that
we're
still
very
early
on
in
the
process,
but
even
requiring
public
notice
for
local
neighborhood
roads
too,
I
think,
will
be
really
important
and
wondering
these
are
mostly
just
like
ideas
that
came
to
mind.
Has
there
does
the
city
ever
experience
any
damage
to
infrastructure
during
right-of-way
closure,
and
is
that
something
that's
been
considered
to
incorporate
into
the
policy
if
that
occurs,.
A
M
Yes,
there
will
be
that
included
in
this
code
change
and
policy
change.
It's
also
part
of
our
existing.
It's
a
different
permit
called
a
right-of-way
cut
permit
and
that's
literally.
A
M
Somebody's
got
to
cut
into
the
pavement
or
the
curb
and
do
something
underground,
and
we
we
have
in
our
code
that,
if
there's
damage,
then
it
needs
to
be
repaired
to
an
accept.
You
know
to
the
city
standard
and
and
be
accepted
by
the
city,
and
this
will
have
that
as
well.
Gotcha.
D
And
I
also
was
wondering
too
just
in
possible,
like
coordination
with
development
services,
if
there's
some
sort
of
application
or
even
adding
to
the
application
that
folks
fill
out
where
you
know
it
triggers
the
need
automatically
for
a
traffic
control
plan
and
that
they
can
get
the
process
started
earlier
on
with
you
all,
so
that
there's
just
more
departmental
coordination
from
the
beginning
and
more
time
for
you
all
to
review
you
back
so.
M
No
that's
great
and
that's
that's
what
we're
aiming
for.
We
just
had
a
conversation
with
dsd
today
about
this,
and
if
there
was
a
way
to
to
put
those
triggers
in
and
attach
them
to,
when
I
say
attach,
I
mean,
like
literally
in
our
system,
if
someone's
applying
for
a
building
permit,
that
that
we
get
pinged
to
say
like
this
might
require
a
traffic
control
plan.
That
kind
of
thing
so
we're
exploring
those
opportunities.
M
H
E
Just
just
to
tie
off
of
what
you
just
mentioned,
anna
and
then
jessica.
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
there
was
a
way
that
you
know,
as
dsd
gets
a
permit
that
yeah
they
get
notified
even
if
they
like
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
They
might
need
a
dumpster
on
the
street
for
a
day
or
a
week,
or
you
know
anything
like
that,
just
to
be
like
hey,
send
them
the
application.
That
kind
of
puts
it
in
and
then
just
a
couple.
A
E
And
and
then
also
too,
maybe
there's
a
requirement
that
for
things
especially
in
neighborhoods,
I'm
thinking
that
there's
a
way
that
that
they
have
to
have
a
sign
posted.
That
said,
they
went
through
that
process
and
that
way
the
neighbors
around
know,
and
they
may
you
know
there
wouldn't
be
the
hassle
from
the
4-1-1
like
having
people
call
and
making
complaints
when
something's.
H
E
M
Whoever
that
may
be
will
have
the
ability
that
they
they're
basically
going
to
be
the
the
person,
that's
in
control
of
this
process
and
has
the
ability
to
add
additional
requirements
and-
and
some
of
those
requirements
might
be
that
they
have
to
have
a
specific
meeting
with
staff
to
talk
about
this
traffic
control
plan
or
you
know
all
kinds,
whatever
different
requirements,
the
traffic
engineer
thinks
is
necessary,
so
you
know
for
these
large-scale
projects.
M
I
absolutely
see
specific
meetings
being
held
to
talk
about
this
kind
of
impact,
but
for
probably
90
percent
of
these
types
of
permits,
they're
going
to
be
very
straightforward,
the
fees
will
not
be
unreasonable
at
all
I
mean
none
of
these
will
be
unreasonable,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
much
of
a
change.
I
think
it'll
be
similar
to
what
people
have
to
pay
and
what
people
have
to
turn
into
us.
For
these
very
simple
and
straightforward
closures.
E
B
Jessica,
can
you
can
you
let
us
know:
do
you
have
an
idea
of
if,
if
this
were
to
go
into
the
place
now,
do
we
have
an
idea
of
how
much
funds
or
fees
what
that
revenue
source
would
look
like
and
then,
as
a
follow-up
to
that
question?
B
What
would
what
would
that
money
go
toward
because
you'd
mentioned
the
cost
of
of
staffing
this
this
thing
number
one
which
is
like
the
baseline,
but
it
sounds
like
there's.
Also
some
opportunity
cost
lost
there
too.
So
if
we
close
the
sidewalk
down
we're
not
calling
an
impact
fee
because
we're
not
allowed
to
do
that,
but
there's
some
opportunity
cost
loss.
There
is
their
opportunity
to
collect
funds
and
put
it
into
a
pool
or
a
resource
that
we
could
use
to
facilitate
other.
B
B
A
It's
it's
possible
part
of
our
process.
Is
that
we're
going
to.
M
Run
some
examples
of
what
the
fees
might
be
like,
so
we
might
take
some
previous
projects
or
some
standard
typical
ones
or
some
and
a
handful
of
the
more
complex
ones
and
and
see
what
the
fees
might
have
looked
like
for
those
projects
just
to
get
a
sense
of
the
scale.
It
is
going
to
be
more
expensive
for
for
these
types
of
permits
and
that's
not
uncommon,
we're
we're.
M
Definitely,
I
think
in
I
I
would
say
we're
definitely
a
little
behind
in
some
of
this
stuff
and-
and
you
know
we're
not
a
small
city
anymore.
M
We've
got
a
lot
of
big
projects
that
happen,
and
it's
not
uncommon
for
cities
like
charlotte
or
raleigh
or
or
other
states
with
bigger
cities
to
have
fees
that
really
incentivize
the
minimization
of
the
disruption
and
incentivize
that
pre-planning,
so
that
those
fees
are,
you
know
not
as
big
of
a
budgetary
impact
to
the
project,
but
they
will
be
different
and
they
I
do
expect
there
to
be
some
pushback
about
it,
which
which
would
be
expected-
and
I
think
that
it's
going
to
take
some
time
for
folks
to
get
used
to
it
that
are
used
to
pulling
this
50
permit
or
perhaps
not
even
paying
for
it.
M
And
so
I
can't
answer
how
much
money
we're
talking
about.
At
this
point,
I
will
say
that
what
my
hope
would
be
is
that
it
would
that
we
would
have
funding
to
have
an
actual
enforcement
component
which
could
require
another
staff
person
or
perhaps
a
shared
staff
person
with
another
department.
M
If,
if
we
found
ourselves
in
a
position
where
there
was
additional
funding,
then
I
think
that
it
would
be
reasonable
to
explore
what
you're
talking
about,
because
this
will
be
part
of
the
traffic
engineering
division
and
and
their
purview
is
safety
traffic
calming
all
of
those
things.
So
it's
it's
possible,
but
I'm
not
gonna,
say
it's
a
definite.
B
Well,
I
I
really
think
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
discussion,
because,
if
we're
letting
private
entities
use
public
space
for
their
own
profitability
and
we're
not
getting
a
you
know
tit-for-tat
on
that,
then
I
think
we're
being
given
the
shaft,
and
I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
So
if
and
when
you
do
go
through
this
process.
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
personally
see
that
involved
to
where
you
get
your
staff
position,
but
also
enough
there
to
pay
for
that
opportunity,
cost
that
was
lost.
B
Okay,
we
good
to
move
on
jessica
good.
Do
we
have
any
other
comments,
questions?
Okay,
okay,
let's
do
it,
let's
keep
going
next.
B
Let's
see!
Where
are
we
we're
on
to
unfinished
business,
and
at
this
point,
do
you
guys
vidalia?
Do
you
do
you
want
to
keep
going?
Do
you
want
to
postpone?
How
are
you
feeling.
B
T
So
my
name
is
the
department
of
planning
and
I
am
going
to
talk
through
the
urban
centers
initiative.
Some
of
you
have
been
here
since
the
beginning,
so
you
really
know
a
lot
about
it.
Others
are
green
horns,
and
so
I'm
gonna
give
you
the
whole
overview
I'll
try
to
go
quickly
and
then
we
can
jump
into
some
questions.
T
N
T
Okay,
great,
let's
see
here
present,
okay,
so
urban
centers,
let's
see
it's
the
loading
on
my
side
here
it
comes
all
right,
so
this
comes
from
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
which
we
completed.
Actually
it's
been
two
years
now.
The
comprehensive
plan
you
know
gives
us
the
the
long-term
goals
and
vision
of
the
city.
T
T
So
the
comp
plan
identifies
that
we
should
try
to
focus
our
growth
in
three
locations
or
three
areas
downtown
along
commercial
corridors
and
in
innovation
districts,
and
so
the
urban
centers
initiative
plays
on
the
review
of
our
commercial
corridors
and
how
to
strengthen
them
through
better,
more
efficient
use
of
the
land.
T
So,
as
part
of
the
comp
plan,
we
have
these
community
aspirations
and-
and
I'm
just
highlighting
three
of
them
that
have
to
do
with
the
urban
corridors
and
and
transit,
to
show
you
that
it's
a
relatively
important
part
of
the
plan.
T
So
what
are
urban
centers?
This
visual
shows
very
clearly
what
we're
looking
for.
It's
really
the
transformation
of
larger,
suburban
properties
and
and
corridors
that
are
suburban
in
nature,
to
forms
of
development
that
are
more
mixed,
use
that
are
more
walkable
that
do
not
prioritize
the
automobile
as
much
so
primarily,
they
happen
in
transit,
supportive
locations
and
they
would
be
sites
that
would
support
housing,
which
is
a
a
dire
need
of
the
cities.
Right
here
is
an
ariel
on
patent
avenue
of
a
site
that
a
lot
of
people
know
about.
T
This
is
kmart
at
north
louisiana,
and
you
can
see
it's
it's
really
like
that.
That
sketch
you
know
a
sea
of
parking
with
single-story
uses
and
the
next
few
slides,
okay.
T
T
I
got
two
doors
open,
so
I'm
okay
I'll
keep
going
so
this
is.
We
have
a
few
four
slides
of
of
a
property
like
that
in
transition,
so
here's
typical
strip
mall
in
time
through
rezonings
and
intenser
uses
you
start
seeing.
Potentially
these
these
sites
fill
in
incrementally
over
time.
It
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
happen
with
one
large
project,
like
you
know,
dropping
in
biltmore
park,
but
it
can't
happen
over
time.
Typically
really.
What
we're
showing
here
is.
T
I
think
these
images
were
designed
by
architects
that
that
have
more
more
work
in
larger,
dense
cities
right
so
this
this
type,
this
this
intense
of
development
would
happen
in
bigger
cities.
Here
might
not
see
it
quite
so
right,
dense.
T
You
can
see
we
we
talk
about
a
lot.
Some
of
the
challenges
here
are.
I
think
I
want
to
call
out
one
that
maybe
isn't
blatant
blatant
here,
because
we've
been
focusing
a
lot
on
it
recently,
but
it's
the
question
of
equity
and
you
know
how?
How
can
we
ensure
that,
as
we
develop
the
city,
it's
equitable?
You
know
we
have
a
bullet
here
for
affordable
housing,
but
you
know
affordable,
for
whom
we
might.
T
We
might
be
able
to
provide
housing
units
for
for
some
people
who
can
afford
it,
but
at
the
same
time
the
the
pressure
on
the
land
may
hurt
nearby
properties.
So
it's
a
very
tricky
tricky
thing
to
deal
with,
but
but
it's
something
we're
we're
tasked
with.
T
T
So
where
are
the
cities
urban
centers?
This
image
shows
the
stars
with
the
urban
centers
located.
The
ones
that
are
currently
circled
are
the
four
that
up
to
now,
we've
been
proposing,
as
should
be
the
first,
the
first
projects
because
they're
on
the
high
frequency
transit
network.
So
this
this
part
of
the
the
the
bus
system
that
that
passes
by
at
least
every
30
minutes
with
one
or
another
route.
T
So
the
first
phase
will
include
merriman
avenue,
node
tunnel,
road
and
bleachery
boulevard
node,
and
we
will
be
moving
the
patent
avenue
node
and
a
new
south
tunnel
road
node
to
a
phase
two
and
we're
really
doing
that
primarily
because
of
some
concerns
from
emma
and
the
burton
street
neighborhood
about
what
the
impacts
on
the
patent
avenue
site
would
mean
for
for
nearby
neighborhoods,
even
even
even
for
for
some
groups
and
and
individuals
who
are
or
not
in
the
city
close
but
close
by
like
at
emma
you
know,
part
of
emma
community
is
is
right
there
at
the
site.
T
N
T
Our
website
for
the
project
we
have,
we
have
the
zoning
code,
so
you
can
download
it
and
take
a
look
at
it.
It's
it's
pretty
thorough
and
it's
a
it's
a
form-based
code.
I
could.
We
could
spend
a
whole
other
meeting
on
what
the
the
meat
of
that
is
and
what
we're
shooting
for
and
since
it's
5
15
I
won't
get
into
that
now.
Unless
you
want
to
ask
me
about
it
in
the
future.
T
We
were,
we
were
held
back
because
of
covid,
and
the
hotel
moratorium
took
took
a
lot
of
wind
out
of
our
sails.
We
had
to
redirect
staff
time
to
that.
So
you
know
this
happens
in
in
government,
as
you
might
have
seen.
G
Dennis
yeah,
I
think
it's
a
these
ideas
of
kind
of
large-scale
infill
is
a
great
idea,
particularly
for
you
know,
properties
that
have
maybe
reached
the
end
of
their
current
life
cycle.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that,
from
our
standpoint,
I
think
is
important.
That
we
keep
an
eye
on
is
how
these
developments
will
impact
a
lot
of
those
existing
failing
intersections.
So,
for
example,
the
subject
property
used
that
the
piece
that's
on
patent
at
louisiana-
that's
that's
already.
G
You
know,
I
think,
that's
probably
a
neighborhood
collector
coming
down
louisiana
onto
patton
and
so
putting
a
bunch
of
you
know.
Traffic
in
there
that
wants
to
make
that
movement.
You
know
the
eastbound
movement
to
get
on
you
know,
in
line
to
go
eastbound
on
patton
is
going
to
really
frustrate
those
folks.
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
you're
hinting
at
about.
You
know
easing
into
these
things,
so
I
think
this
is
stuff
you
already
know
about,
but
I
feel
like
that's
where
our
biggest
pushback
will
come
and
what
would
be
otherwise
be.
G
You
know
monumental
steps
forward
and
really
making
the
most
of
this
available
opportunities
and
and
creating
opportunities
for
people
to
live
and
work
and
and
minimizing.
Those
trips,
I
think,
is
a
great
idea.
T
Yeah
and
and
just
to
play
on
that
a
little
bit,
I
think
you
know
the
biggest
challenge
that
we
have
in
all
of
your
work
and
ours
and
land
use
is
that
we
are
like
in
the
titanic
trying
to
redirect
the
ship
after
200
years
of
development
in
one
one
direction,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
just
the
land
use
changes
that
I'm
talking
about
right.
It
also
demands
significant
changes
on
corridors.
We
have
corridor
studies
happening
on
tunnel
road
right
now,
biltmore,
mcdowell
and
hendersonville
road.
T
These
studies
eventually
will
lead
to
design,
and
hopefully,
reconstruction
and-
and
it
has
to
happen
together,
but
because
we're
just
at
that
that
beginning
phase,
where
you
know
we're
swimming
upstream
and
going
to
get
a
lot
of
pushback
and
that's
what
happens
when
you
start
moving
in
new
directions.
G
Yeah,
I
agree,
I
think,
when
we
package
these
opportunities
as
an
asset
to
the
folks
that
are
already
in
that
community.
I
think
that's
what
you
know
if
we,
if
we're
able
to
build
them,
that
are
there
to
take
these
situations,
so
they
can
be
complementary
to
the
folks
that
are
already
there.
I
think
we'll
create,
maybe
a
more
cooperative
environment.
I
Yeah
this
is
lydia,
I
kind
of
wanted
to
piggyback
on
that
with
dennis
and
like
we
can
use
that
patent
avenue
as
an
example.
Well,
these
also
be
taking
into
account
the
study.
That's
going
on
separately,
I
don't
know,
but
the
closing
the
gap
with
the
you
know,
bicycle
and
sidewalk,
because
a
lot
of
people
walk
in
that
area
and
then,
if
you're,
adding
more
traffic,
people
are
not
having
to
cross
and
walk
with
all
that
traffic,
and
that
intersection
in
particular,
is
not
really
ideal,
as
is
I
personally.
K
T
Yeah,
you
know
we
have.
We
have
these
studies
kind
of
happening.
At
the
same
time,
and
it's
it's
I
mean
the
rezoning
that
we're
talking
about
is
is
going
to
change
how
land
can
be
used.
So
it's
not
it's.
It's
really,
I
think
of
it
as
more
long-term,
because
even
after
you
rezone,
you
know
lots
of
businesses
and
properties.
They
have
long-term
leases.
You
don't
see
a
lot
of
big
big
change
happen
overnight.
T
So
I
would
say
you
know
the
plans
that
we
have
in
place.
They're
they're,
gonna
kind
of
align
in
time,
but
nothing's
gonna
happen
instantaneously.
B
I'm
I'm
super
excited
about
this,
but
I
will
say
that,
as
as
we
progress,
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
push
on
making
sure
that
there's
adequate
public
transportation
that
feeds
these
things.
And
ideally,
if
we're
talking
about
development,
that's
infield
development.
B
I'd
hope
that
that
the
transit
is
actually
put
in
before
so
that
when
the
when
the
development
happens,
it's
not
overwhelming
everybody
and
the
traffic's
not
overwhelming,
and
then
we
have
to
wait
for
for
that.
So
I
would
you
know
it's
nice
if
it's
every
30
minutes
on
a
bus
route
but
yeah.
I
think
for
something
of
that
magnitude.
I'd
like
to
see
a
bus
come
in
every
15
minutes
and
guess
what
that
helps.
Everybody
else
in
town
too,.
T
Right
and
we
have
the
transit
master
plan,
and
you
know
to
the
extent
that
the
city
continues
to
fund
that
and
see
those
head
times
increase
we'll
see
that
happen.
The
reason
we
chose
these
locations
is
because
they're
so
close
to
downtown
and
with
the
highest
frequency
transit.
So
it's
really
the
best
you
can
get
in
asheville.
At
this
point,
it's
it's.
How
do
we
grow
the
transit.
J
T
I
would
doubt
it
like
say:
walkability
is
the
first
desire
right
of
the
public.
A
rezoning
of
tunnel
road,
you
know
is
not
going
to
make
it
walkable
right,
so
I
think
of
it.
As
we
have
these
goals
of
the
comp
plan.
We
have
wishes
of
the
public
and
we
need
to
try
to
create
new
zoning
and
new
regulations
that
start
to
shift
patterns
of
development,
and
it
doesn't
happen
overnight.
T
B
B
So
if
you,
if
you
tell
the
developer
or
anybody
in
that
in
that
zone,
you
can
only
have
this
much
parking,
so
you
better
figure
out
how
these
other
people
are
going
to
get
to
and
from
downtown
or
wherever
it
is
that
they
want
to
get
now
they
have
to
to
work
with
us
in
terms
of
transit,
but
if
we
just
tell
them
like
you
can
have
one
parking
spot
for
every
for
every
every
person
that
lives
there.
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
help.
T
Well,
we
in
general,
our
parking
standards
are,
are
pretty
aggressive.
You
compare
them
against
other
cities
right,
we
don't
require
residential.
We
don't
require
off-street
parking
within
a
mile
of
the
cbd
downtown.
We
don't
require
parking,
so
we're
pretty
aggressive
and
I
don't
think
we
will
get
to
some
to
to
a
place
where
we
require
maximum
maximum
parking.
We
might
drop
more
minimums
and
allow
the
market
to
decide,
but
here
in
an
auto,
quite
auto,
centric
area,
it's
it's
unlikely
to
see
a
lot
of
development.
B
I
mean
I,
I
think,
that's
really
why
this
group
needs
to
be
pushing
very,
very
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
have
connectivity
in
the
city
so
that
when
we
tell
a
developer
hey,
you
can
only
have
you
know,
half
of
the
parking
that
you
wanted
and
half
of
those
those
condo
spaces
are
going
to
be
for
people
that
you
know
want
to
walk
or
not
have
a
car.
And
yes,
that
is
a
thing.
There
are
places
in
the
world
where
people
don't
own
cars.
B
You
know,
then
we're
going
to
have
this
this
this
issue
of
highest
and
best
and
that's
that's
a
whole
other
thing,
but
again
guys.
This
is
why
we
have
to
focus
on
connectivity
and
getting
getting
this
chicken
and
egg
scenario
right.
A
M
Yeah
and
I
and
I
think
just
to
follow
up
on
what
vadilla
is
saying,
is
you
know
the
the
landy
side
we're
we're
trying
to
get
the
development
to
be
less
auto
oriented
right
and
but
the
developer
is
really
just
responsible
for
their
own
project
and
not
what's
around
them.
That's
where
the
transportation
side,
like
you're,
saying
it's.
M
It's
like
both
the
chicken
and
egg
need
to
happen
at
the
same
time,
more
or
less,
and
so
we're
very
much
dependent
on
each
other,
land
use
and
transportation
to
reinforce
the
goals
of
each
other
and
that's
what
what
the
deal
is
doing.
That's
what
we're
doing
and
all
of
our
plans,
if
executed
appropriately,
eventually
we'll
do
that,
we
won't
have
the
we
won't,
have
the
chicken
and
egg
anymore
we'll
just
have
both.
B
Well
again,
I'm
really
excited
about
these
projects
and
density
is,
is
is
really
key.
If
we,
if
we
get
that
density,
then
we
can
start
to
make
a
very,
very
functional
transportation
system,
but
we
really
do
appreciate
the
work
you
put
in
on
this
and
sharing
that
with
us.
B
Okay,
let's
see
so
next
up.
B
Jessica
you're
gonna
give
us
a
follow-up
on
it's
an
update
on
the
status
of
the
bike
and
pedestrian
task
force,
recommendations
regarding
the
city,
wide
speed,
limit
and
use
of
enforcement
cameras.
So
do
you
have
any
updates
for
us
on
that.
M
We
have
shared
your
your
recommendation
with
well
my
department
head
and
the
assistant
city
manager
and
we're
talking
about
it,
we're
looking
into
doing
some
research
or
we
are
doing
research
on
the
steps
forward.
If
there
are
legal
steps
forward-
and
it
has
not
yet
been
something
that
we've
been
able
to
talk
about
with
our
new
liaison.
But
I
think
that
will
also
happen
when
we
have
a
little
bit
more
information.
B
Our
new
members,
basically
we've
been
talking
about
the
idea
of
traffic
calming
measures
throughout
the
city
of
asheville,
one
of
which
is
including
using
the
use
of
speed
cameras.
Currently,
the
state
of
north
carolina
has
only
given
authorization
to
a
handful
of
cities
and
municipalities
across
the
state
to
utilize
those
things.
So
what
we've
asked
staff
to
do
is
do
a
little
research
and
figure
out
if
we
could
be
added
to
that
list,
because
we'd
like
to
slow
cars
down
around
here.
B
B
On
that
one
that
was
a
work
in
progress.
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
general
committee
updates
transit
committee
again
that
one's
been
in
flux.
That's
why
I'm
glad
we've
got
new
membership,
that's
going
to
be
basically
our
liaison
to
and
from
transit,
but
in
the
meantime,
jessica
has
been
filling
in
the
gaps
on
that.
So,
if
you
could
jessica
take
it
away.
M
I'm
looking,
I
don't
see
our
monthly
memo
on
here
and
we
can
send
that
out
later.
Basically,
for
our
new
members,
what
we
try
to
do
is
include
a
monthly
update
memo
that
comes
from
our
transit
planning
manager
and
kind
of
gives
an
overview
of
all
the
different
projects
that
we're
working
on.
But
we
also
include
reports
from
more
like
performance
measure
reports,
so
our
on-time
performance
and
also
information
that
our
transit
contractor
provides
us
every
month.
M
B
On
a
run
today,
I
actually
tore
my
rolled
my
ankle
when
I
was
a
miles
from
the
house,
and
I
am
pleased
to
tell
you
that
I
was
able
to
get
on
the
city
bus
today.
It
was
free.
I
haven't
rode.
The
bus
very
often
since
covet
has
hit
for
numerous
reasons,
but
number
one
we've
been
unlimited
capacity
and
I
don't
want
to
preclude
somebody
who
actually
needs
to
to
get
on
the
bus
their
spot
today.
B
I
needed
it,
but
I
was
very
happy
to
know
that
the
governor's
order
now
includes
a
face
mask
mandate
that
is
now
enforceable
on
the
bus,
which
is
huge,
which
is
really
really
huge,
and
I
I
felt
very
safe
on
the
bus.
Everybody
is
matched
up
and
it's
a.
I
can
tell
you
it's
a
resource
that
I've
really
missed.
A
M
M
B
Well,
we
really
appreciate
the
vigilance
on
behalf
of
the
you
know,
our
city
staff,
as
well
as
our
ritb
dev,
and
you
know
enforcing
that
because
it's
it's.
It's
made
a
lot
a
lot
safer
to
be
on
the
bus
at
this
point.
So
that's
that's
phenomenal
news
so
yeah,
if
that's
it,
I'm
gonna
move
on
yeah,
okay,
okay,
so
greenways
that
last
meeting
was
was
cancelled.
B
If
I've
got
any
anything
from
from
our
reps
that
are
that
were
on
greenway,
okay,
no,
we
do
have
a
report
from
bike
and
pedestrian
task
force.
I'm
gonna!
Let
randy
give
us
the
update
on
that.
C
The
big
thing
we
did
at
mike
ped
task
force
was
dustin.
Clemens
came
and
talked
to
us
about
rad
tip
project,
and
so,
as
we
heard
earlier
from
claudia
there's
connectivity
issues,
certainly
that
are
still
really
foremost
in
our
mind
in
terms
of
getting
access
to
and
from.
But
the
facility
itself
has
some
challenges
as
well
too,
and
some
of
those
were
somewhat
out
of
the
city's
control,
but
we
still
need
to
deal
with
them.
C
So,
for
example,
just
the
intersection
at
lyman
and
meadow
and
amboy
presents
some
problems
not
just
trying
to
get
over
the
river,
but
also
just
connecting
to
meadow.
So
we
have
some
spirited
spirited
discussion
about
that
and
and
then
I
met
individually
with
dustin
afterwards
and
was
part
of
it
too.
C
C
So
it's
good
to
have
a
continued
dialogue,
because,
even
though
we're
getting
to
the
point
where
the
project's
getting
close
to
completion,
there's
still
signage
issues
that
still
need
to
be
addressed
and
some
then
use
issues,
and
once
people
are
using
it
as
it's
somewhat
completed
or
as
it's
considered
to
be
completed,
there
may
need
to
be
adjustments
made
just
based
on
how
people
are
using
it
too,
which
is
a
important
aspect
of
the
project
that
oftentimes
is
overlooked.
So
bikepad
is
continuing
to
look
at
that
and
that's
primarily
the
focus
of
the
meeting.
B
Yeah-
and
I
was
at
that
meeting
randy
for
everybody
else-
I
actually
I
took
a
quite
a
few
photos
today
of
that
intersection.
I'm
gonna
try
to
figure
out
where
I
can.
I
can
put
them
to
disseminate
them,
so
we
can
all
have
have
them,
but
I'll
probably
bring
them
up
at
the
next
bike
and
pedestrian
task
force,
because
until
you're
actually
out
there-
and
you
see
it
it's
kind
of
like
you-
don't
really
think
about
it.
B
But
if
you're
out
there
as
a
pedestrian
or
a
cyclist,
you
realize
there
are
pretty
blaring
issues.
B
Okay,
so
let's
go
to
pnz
is
joe
still
with
us.
I
think
he
he's
left
us.
Okay,
so
joe's
left
us
anna.
Do
you
have
anything
from
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee.
D
B
And
you
guys
have
a
a
a
slot.
I
think
up
for
grabs
too
right
now,
they're
going
to
npc
right.
D
We
are
nominating
or
making
recommendations
for
nominations
to
counsel
at
our
next
meeting.
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
we
are
re-advertising
for.
D
Either
2805
or
28804,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
that
information,
but
it
is
on
the
city
website.
D
B
Get
the
opportunity
to
plug
that
because
that's
a
really
important
one,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
connectivity,
we're
not
just
talking
about
you-
know
connecting
cars
and
bikes,
we're
talking
about
connecting
people
and
guess
where
people
live.
They
live
in
neighborhoods.
So
I
might
actually
do
that.
Maybe.
A
M
M
From
their
12-1
meeting
yeah,
unfortunately,
it's
not
really
something
that
I'm
part
of.
So
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
updates
or
I
have
no
updates
other
than
what's
in
the
agenda.
B
Okay,
well
folks,
the
agenda
does
have
a
link.
So
if
you're
curious
just
to
know
what
the
folks
at
the
athletics
committee
are
up
to
click
that
link
we're
gonna,
move
on
to
staff
updates
again
we're
just
talking
about
I-26,
I'm
assuming
jessica,
just
roll
on.
M
There
is
one
new
improvement
to
this
spreadsheet
that
I
wanted
to
mention
to
you
guys.
So
if
you
are
able
to
open
up
your
spreadsheet,
there's,
there's
three
tabs
now.
We
several
months
ago
broke
it
into
city
projects
and
ncbot
projects,
and
we
update
this
monthly
to
provide
status
status
of
those
projects,
but
we've
recently
added
a
third
tab,
and
this
is
thanks
to
barb
me
our
bike.
Ped
coordinator,
we
have
a
monthly
meeting
with
dot
about
all
all
kinds
of
issues,
but
it's
primarily
focused
on
bicycle
and
pedestrian
safety.
M
We've
been
working
with
them
for
many
for
a
long
time.
I
I'm
going
to
say
years,
probably
on
on
push
buttons
at
signalized
intersections
and
trying
to
actually
get
them,
and
so
we
have
on
this
tab,
a
spreadsheet
that
has
a
list
of
prioritized
intersections,
that
we
are
continuing
to
work
with
dot
on
and
the
the
list
is
prioritized
by
providing
a
score
for
the
intersection
and
the
score.
M
You
know
I
could
go
into
a
lot
of
detail,
but
the
score
is
basically
a
combination
of
looking
at
pedestrian
use
and
vehicle
volumes,
vehicle
speeds
and
just
trying
to
say
just
trying
to
identify
what
what
are
the
most
necessary
intersections
for
these
types
of
improvements,
and
so
you
can
see
that
the
green
ones
are
ones
that
have
either
been
completed
or
are
are
pending,
and
we
continue
to
work
with
dot
to
go
to
get
these.
M
You
know,
get
these
completed
and
so
far
I
think
we've
made
a
lot
of
really
good
progress
and
they
have
been
really
good
to
work
with
and
we
continue
to
knock
some
of
these
off
the
list
it
seems
every
month.
M
D
I
just
want
to
say
this
makes
me
really
really
excited.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
doing
this.
The
one
that
stands
out
to
me
is
on
line
25
pat
avenue
and
drew
drive.
I
it's
horrible
and
it's
near
transit
stop.
So
I'm
super
excited
for
that
one
to
be
on
the
list
and
hopefully
see
that
get
fixed.
B
Guys
all
right
folks
we're
to
future
agenda
items,
I'm
gonna
just
say
I
don't
think,
there's
any
need
for
me
to
read
these
off,
but
I
will
say
this
especially
the
new
members.
If
there's
anything
that
you
want
to
see
added
to
the
agenda,
get
in
touch
with
me,
let
me
know
and
we
will
put
it
on
there.
Obviously,
we've
we've
got.
B
We've
got
a
lot
to
put
in
our
meetings,
but
if
there's
anything
that
you
guys
are
really
wanting
to
know
about,
you
know:
let's,
let's
get
it
on
the
agenda
and
the
way
to
do
that
is
to
get
it
on
a
future
agenda
item.
So
if
they
have
something
today,
let
me
know
we
can
talk
about
that
right
now
or
again
after
after
this
meeting's
over.
Let
me
know.
B
Okay,
so
we've
got
public
comment
again.
My
understanding
again
is
we
we're
not
to
the
point
where
we're
taking
any
public
comment
that
wasn't
pre-recorded
or
pre-drafted,
so
we're
gonna
move
on
and
then
our
next
meeting
is
tbd
at
this
point.