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B
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone,
I'm
brian
moffitt.
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
october
8
2021
meeting
of
the
downtown
commission.
The
asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
urban
center
of
western
north
carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
B
In
addition,
downtown
commissioners
fill
out
currently
four
of
the
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design
review
committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
arts,
district
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
everyone's
patience
as
we
work
through
our
committee
meetings.
B
In
this
way,
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website.
This
is
also
linked
on
the
downtown
commission's
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
so
for
anyone
joining
us
today.
Welcome
at
this
time,
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
call
our
committee
members
to
to
order
and
do
a
roll
call
again.
B
Our
folks
know
what
to
do,
but
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
please
unmute
your
microphone.
Please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
again
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
dane
barriger
president.
Thank
you.
Franzi
charin.
B
And
I
do
not
see
andrew
fletcher
correct,
okay,
kimberly
hunter.
C
B
Stephen
lee
johnson
good
morning
good
morning,
robin
reigns.
F
B
Ruth
summers-
our
vice
chair,
is
not
able
to
attend
sage
turner,
our
city
council,
representative
liaison
good
morning
good
morning.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
everyone
coming
today
at
this
time
we
will
approve
the
minutes
from
our
september
10th
2021
meeting
again.
These
are
a
draft
of
the
action
minutes,
the
the
full
minutes.
If
you
need
those,
you
should
just
listen
to
the
video
which
is
should
be
posted.
I
think
on
our
commission
website.
B
Second,
by
megan
rogers
I'll
go
through
the
role
dane.
I
approve,
I
lost
my
script
and
my
agenda.
This
is
awesome.
There
we
go
franzi.
I.
E
B
Thank
you,
stephen
lee
hi.
I
am
I
as
well
robin
hi
guillo.
You
made
the
motion,
but
you
still
have
to
vote
aye.
Thank
you
megan
you
seconded,
but
you
still
have
to
vote
hi.
Thank
you
and
sage.
H
B
Thank
you
very
good
all
right,
so
our
agenda
today
is
reasonably
light.
I'm
looking
to
get
out
of
here
by
about
9
40.
we
are
going
to
go
through.
I
don't
think
we
have.
Any
public
comment.
Is
that
still
correct
sasha
for
rachel
whoever's
monitoring
that.
B
Okay,
david
I'll,
get
it
right
eventually,
thank
you.
So
I
don't
think
we
have
any
public
comments
to
be
shared.
I
don't
think
we
have
any
live
call
in,
so
we
will
move
on
to
our
new
business
and
presentations
where
we
will
look
at
project
review
development
impact
discussion
for
two
projects.
A
H
A
A
A
So
this
is
a
level
one
project
and
this
is
kind
of
the
existing
building.
These
glass
block
windows
are
not
original
at
all
and
they
seem
to
have
appeared
somewhere
in
the
mid.
We
think
like
around
2008.
A
We
figured
it
out
from
street
view,
but
if
you
go
back
in
time,
they
were
not
here
so
moving
to
the
project,
let's
see
full
screen
mode,
so
the
idea
here
is
a
restoration
of
the
existing
historic
building
and
adding
a
floor
and
at
the
same
time-
and
I
think
brian
or
robin
or
steven
lee
or
even
kimberly,
could
talk
to
this
more.
They
they've
seen
this.
The
design
review
committee's
seen
this
as
informal
review.
A
It's
almost
like
rebuilding
a
new
building
inside
the
historic
building
so
in
what
is
great
about
this
project
is
that
it
is
really
kind
of
following
the
you
know,
secretary
of
interior
standards,
in
that
the
addition
is
set
back
from
the
street
edge.
So
when
you
look
when
you
walk
by
this
building,
you
won't
necessarily
see
this
floor
and
it'll
be
kind
of
like
the
historic
building
it's
it
is
like
you
know,
that's
the
prominent
feature.
A
A
A
I'm
not.
I
haven't
really
studied
these
drawings
yet,
but
so
they
included
that
as
well.
A
I
Well,
I'll
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions,
but
basically
you
know
it's
a
retrofit
of
an
existing
building.
It's
going
to
be
residential,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
hotel.
I
I
You
know
whatever
you
know
we
can
get
in
there
to
you
know
to
occupy
the
first
floor
and
actually
my
neighbor
is
planning
on
living
in
the
front
unit
and
it'll
just
be
two
rental
apartments,
most
likely.
A
Just
before
that,
let
me
add
one
thing
if
I
can,
I
should
have
said
this
so
part
of
the
reason
this
this
existing
building
is
right
on
the
property
line,
and
so
with
building
code.
You
can't
put
windows
into
that
wall.
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
you
know
of
setting
back
and
rebuilding
into
here,
so
that
these
units
can
have
light
to
the
space.
I
Yeah,
that's
really
the
struggle
with
this
building
is.
It
is
right
on
the
property
line,
and
so,
like
sasha
said
you
know
we
had
to
recess.
You
know
part
of
the
building,
which
is
really
it's
like
building
a
building
inside
a
building
and
but
that
will
allow
windows,
but
you
can
ignore
the
murals.
I
mean
that's
just
laura
put
those
there
just
for
you
know
kind
of
a
conceptual
design.
We
do
think
there
will
be
murals,
but
this
is
not
probably
what
they're
going
to
look
like
most
likely.
E
Gio,
I
just
wondered-
I
really
I
kind
of
liked
the
murals,
and
I
knew
that
they
were
just.
This
is
just
a
preliminary
sort
of
sketch,
but
can
we
can
we,
as
a
the
downtown
commission,
highly
recommend
that
there
be
some
art
such
as
mirrors
or
something
similar
to
this
in,
in
our
final
recommendations
or
comments.
I
Yeah,
that
would
be
fine.
In
fact,
it
is
our
plan
to
have
murals.
We've
talked
to
ian
the
painter,
who's
done
a
lot
of
murals.
In
fact,
he's
done
murals
on
our
building
here
at
75
broadway.
If
you
drive
down
carolina
lane,
you'll
see
them
and
they're
kind
of
like
space
landscapes,
and
it
was
totally
his
design.
So
we
don't
know
what
the
murals
are
gonna
be,
but
there
will
be
some
sort
of
murals,
and
you
know
if
you
want
to
make
that
a
recommendation.
That's
fine.
F
Yes,
if
we
are
recommending
on
the
murals,
I
would
love
to
throw
into
consideration
a
reflection
of
what
the
triangle
park
has
already
started
of
the
history
of
that
area
and
and
do
something
more.
You
know
in
context
with
historical
evil
market
street
and
the
african-american.
F
B
G
I
Well,
you
may
be
aware:
I've
been
very
involved
in
that
part
of
town,
so
we
haven't
done
specific
outreach
regarding
this
building,
but
I
do
know
the
owners
in
that
area,
and
you
know
we
will
be
involving
them.
You
know
as
far
as
like
murals
and
things
like
that,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
black
owned
business
in
there.
Although
you
know
I
don't
know
how
feasible
that
is,
we've
had
some
difficulty
attracting
black
businesses.
I
H
Dane
I
just
want
to
share
a
couple
things
I
heard
recently
one.
I
know
that
sandra
kilgore
did
a
lot
to
as
a
real
estate
broker
to
find
and
help
source
black
owned
businesses
for
the
block.
So
you
may
want
to
reach
out
to
her,
but
I
heard
a
really
interesting
story
when
I
was
working
on
the
property.
That
is,
you
know
just
about
two
blocks
from
here,
but
on
south
market
and.
C
H
Is
that
historically,
I
learned
this
from
roy
harris
you
may
want
to
follow
up
with
him.
Historically,
the
neighborhood
used
to
be
south
market
was
lined
with
pear
trees
and
the
folks
would
let
out
from
church
and
go
up
and
down
south
market
and
pluck
the
pears
and
to
date
there
is
two
pear
trees,
left
and
they're
getting
old
and
aged,
and
I
just
wonder
if
that's
kind
of
a
thing
from
pear
trees-
or
you
know
like
that
kind
of
history.
H
H
B
So
we've
hit
on
equity,
racial
justice
we've
hit
a
little
bit
on
livability
in
terms
of
the
mixed
use,
part
of
the
project
adding
to
the
economic
development.
Local
business.
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
balance
of
uses.
I
think
you
know
reactivating
this
building
definitely
addresses
some
public
safety
issues.
B
I
would
say
that
this
is
aligned
with
the
downtown
master
plan
based
on
my
knowledge
of
it
at
this
time,
and
we,
you
know,
I
think
the
the
design
is
is-
has
become
more
refined
since
we
reviewed
it
the
first
time
in
the
in
the
design
review
board.
There's
really.
No.
B
Actually,
if
anything,
there
they're
slightly
increasing
the
perviousness
of
the
existing
site,
it's
currently
100
impervious
and
there's
a
little
less
overlap
with
that
little
inset
of
impervious
below
so
I'd,
say:
that's
aligned
with
storm
water
and
we
don't
have
any
public
input.
So
have
I
missed
anything?
Are
there
any
other
topics
that
that
the
commission
would
like
to
address?
Stephen
lee.
J
One
of
the
things
that
I've
decided
that
I
was
going
to
try
to
start
doing
on
this
commission
is
like
just
being
more
upfront
about
personal
opinions
with
design
and
when
I
see
really
bad
design,
not
being
as
timid
as
I
think
I
have
been
in
the
past.
I
think
that
when
we
see
really
good
design,
we
need
to
really
like
hold
it
up
and
like
celebrate
it,
and
I
think
everybody
is
agreeing.
J
I
know
the
design
review
committee
did,
but
I
think
this
would
have
been
an
easier
project
if
they
had
torn
the
building
down.
To
be
honest
with
you,
but
this
is
a
difficult
project
and
I
think
it's
it's
gonna,
be
it's
it's
a
beautiful
project,
and
this
is
what
we
need
to
see.
So
if
bad
stuff
comes
in
front
of
us,
I'm
gonna
do
the
same
thing,
and
I
encourage
everybody
to
do
the
same
thanks.
E
Are
there
any
plans?
I
see
the
sidewalk
ending
right
at
the
front
of
the
building,
any
any
idea
of
how
to
link
back
to
the
alley
any
any
thoughts.
Any
plans
to
do
that.
I
So,
unfortunately,
the
land
immediately
adjacent
to
this
building
is
owned
by
barleys
and
we've
approached
them
about,
and
it's
currently,
if
you,
if
you
go
by
this
building,
it's
currently
occupied
by
about
10
dumpsters,
which
are
used
by
the
buildings
by
the
businesses
there
on
biltmore
avenue
and
we've
approached
barley's
about
maybe
purchasing
which
we
would
love
to
do
purchasing
that
little.
It's
a
little
triangle
piece
of
land
and
we
would
love
to
buy
that
property
and
they
are
not
open
to
selling
it.
K
J
I
So
it's
not
a
very
attractive
property
and
it's
mostly
used
for
parking
and
dumpsters
and
they're
not
open
to
selling
it
or
doing
anything
to
develop
it.
Unfortunately,
thank
you.
A
I
B
I
will
say
that
redevelopment
projects
like
this
in
this
area
is
going
to
put
a
significant
pressure
on
on
undeveloped
parcels
like
that
for
highest
and
best
use,
so
keep
your
yeah
that
that
won't,
that
won't
remain
that
way.
Stage.
H
Well,
we
have
sycamore
up
on
the
screen
in
2017.
We
did
that
whole
parking,
crawl
thing
and
we
had
talked
about
sycamore
becoming
one
way
is
that
did
that
happen?.
I
H
J
A
I
B
So
our
recommendations,
any
issues
that
you
can
pass
along
to
the
applicant
sasha,
would
be
that
the
the
downtown
commission
is
in
agreement
that
the
they
like
the
idea
of
murals
and
they
would
like
for
those
murals.
I
believe,
I'm
speaking
for
the
consensus
of
the
commission.
B
They
would
like
for
those
murals
to
be
in
keeping
with
the
history
in
the
context
of
the
community,
specifically
the
eagle
street,
the
block
market
and
the
artwork
that
is
already
in
the
adjacent
park
and
then
work
with
work
with
as
much
as
you
can
to
encourage
local
and
black-owned
businesses
to
occupy
the
the
the
commercial
space.
I
think
I've
captured
everything
I
heard
to
date,
any
other
any
other
items
that
we'd
like
to
pass
along
to
the
applicant.
H
E
H
C
Yeah,
I
I
am,
I'm
gonna,
do
something
that's
not
by
the
rules,
but
I'm
having
a
lot
of
emotional
response,
and
so
I'm
not
gonna
vote
on
this,
and
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
it.
B
Any
other
any
other
comments.
B
Yeah,
I'm
a
pro
though
so
we're
we.
We
will
move
on
to
50
collier
avenue
the
the
development
impact
discussion
for
that
project.
Unless
anyone
has
any
objections.
A
A
I
haven't
been
by
the
site
this
past
week,
but
I
know
they've
been
starting
to
remove
it
so,
and
it
is
two
parcels
this
triangle
excuse
me
this
triangle
parcel
and
then
also
this,
this
small,
this
kind
of
rectangular
one
here
where
it
says
42.
A
Here's
a
just
a
rendering,
so
the
general
idea
for
this
project.
Sorry,
I'm
gonna,
find
the
site
plan
I'll
go
here
first,
so
the
general
idea
for
this
project
is
three-story.
Building
triangular
shaped
first
floor
being
studio,
retail
restaurant,
it's
not
entirely
clear
exactly
what
will
be
there,
but
they
are
planning
for
a
restaurant
space
and
retail
and
then
the
next
two
floors.
They
have
changed.
This
configuration
a
little
bit.
A
And
three
condos
regular
kind
of
long-term
condos,
so
here's
a
view
coming
down:
collier.
A
This
project
has
been
through
trc.
They
were
at
alternative
compliance
earlier
this
week
and
I
will
go
to
the
site
here.
Floor
plans.
Sorry,
so
many
things
this
project.
This
is
what
I
wanted
to
get
to
sorry.
A
They
are
moving
a
water
line
here
on,
I
think,
on
collier,
but
they
went
through
alternative
compliance,
they're
putting
the
trees
up
next
to
the
building,
and
there
was
a
a
couple
trees
that
are
a
little
bit
tiny
bit
like
six
inches
and
one
inch
closer
than
they're
supposed
to
be.
A
The
urban
forestry
commission
approved
their
request.
The
green
you
see
here
is
silva
cells,
which
is
kind
of
our
preferred.
You
know
highly,
you
know
the
best
practice
for
planting
urban
trees,
and
so
here
you
see
these
silver
cells
are
overlapping
with
each
other
and
which
is
actually
really
good
for
the
trees.
A
They
are
very
upright
species,
so
they're
not
going
to
give
a
ton
of
canopy
and
stephen
lee's.
You
know
someone
one
of
steven
lee's
employees
is
actually
working
on
this
project
and
did
a
great
job,
and
I
kind
of
we
kind
of
made
them
go
through
alternative
compliance
before
they
came
through
design
review.
Because
we
didn't
want
design
review
committee
trying
to
approve
a
project
where
the
landscaping
hadn't
been
figured
out.
A
These
are
just
details,
let's
see
so
sorry,
this
is
so
let
me
go
back,
so
it
is
a
brick
building
with
this
kind
of
metal.
A
Look
at
the
end
that
maybe
is
representational
of
a
beer
can,
if
you
think
it
is,
and
then
you
know,
let's
see
so
this
is
the
millard
side.
Here's
an
outdoor,
dining
kind
of
underneath
the
building
space
here.
A
A
There
are.
Excuse
me
sorry,
there
are
some
balconies
on
the
building,
but
they're
not
too
many.
I
I
become
sometimes
I
get
concerned
when
we
have
too
many
balconies
there
were.
I
think
there
were
more
in
the
informal
review
and
they
were
kind
of
staggered.
It
looks
like
they've
all
moved
to
the
third
floor,
so
so
I'm
kind
of
breezing
through
this.
If
anybody
wants
me
to
go
to
a
certain
page,
there's
a
lot
here,
I'm
happy
to
do
it.
A
E
I'm
just
noticing
that
there's
very
little
interest
or
on
the
on
the
surrounding
sidewalks.
They
just
look
like
port
sidewalk
with
street
trees
and
there's.
E
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
general
comment,
because
our
our
little
informal
group
that's
been
meeting
and
walking
around
downtown
to
talk
about
shared
space,
shared
spaces
and
shared
streets.
We
we
went
through
here
and
we
we
looked
at
the
we,
we
stopped
on
the
site
and
we
we
looked
around
and
said
you
know
this
has
great
potential
for
something,
but-
and
I
think
this
is
because
this
is
sort
of
the
first
project
in
this
tiny
little
triangle
lot
and
in
the
surrounding
areas.
E
It's
it
just
seems
to
be
kind
of
lacking
any
interest
along
the
street
side
along
this
actual
street
itself
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
articulation
in
the
building.
There's,
not
a
lot
of
interest
along
the
building
side.
E
E
B
E
Exactly
it's,
it
just
seems
kind
of
cold,
and
I
I
I
don't
know
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment,
because
I
I
think
we
want
to
encourage
being
a
little
bit
more
creative
along
our
pedestrian
routes,
and
I
can
see
the
potential
on
the
other
side.
E
But
if
we
don't
have,
if
we
don't
start
the
process,
you
know
as
we
we
we
go
through
these
little
infill
projects
and
these
little
you
know
new
projects
that
that
will
lose
the
opportunity
of
introducing
you
know,
activity
and
activating
those
spaces
and
making
them
creative
and
making
them
interesting
and-
and
that's,
I
think,
one
of
the
reasons
why
people
like
to
to
enjoy
walking.
This
seems
kind
of
dry
and
cold
excuse
the
reference,
but
that's
the
way.
I
just
don't
see
much
there,
there's
no
art,
there's
no
there'll
be
trees.
H
And
I
know
kimberly's
not
feeling
well
this
morning,
but
I
feel
like
this
is
something
her
and
I
bring
up
about
general
safety,
walkability
and
so
on,
and
we
don't
really
ever
discuss
lighting
as
a
guideline
necessarily.
But
I
don't
see
any
lighting
here
and
I
I
don't
know
how
to
tag
it
but
you're
right.
You
there's
something
that
would
make
me
as
a
woman
at
night,
not
necessarily
want
to
walk
down
that
street.
A
And
I
will,
I
do
want
to
just
add
a
little
detail
to
the
conversation,
if
that's
all
right,
one
of
and
I'm
not
disagreeing
in
any
way,
but
so
the
rent
there's
a
weakness
with
these
renderings
like
so.
The
sidewalk
doesn't
even
look
10
feet
here,
which
it
will
be
with
this
grade
change
here.
There's
I
feel
like
there's
an
ada
entrance
here,
and
so
the
sidewalk
is
a
little
split
and
if
let
me
go
to
the
site
plan.
A
If
you
can
so
so,
the
sidewalk
is
actually
pretty
wide
and
there
have
been
some
plans
for
I
want
to
say
it's
like
a
bike
rack
or
something.
This
point
I
feel
like
is
an
opportunity
for
art
or
some
you
know
it's
a
very
distinctive
there's,
not
a
lot
of
places
in
downtown,
where
you
have
a
triangular
view
like
that,
but.
A
B
I
know
what
he's
getting
at
is
that
there,
the
building
is
very
internally
oriented
is
how
I
would
describe
it.
J
B
Up
it
sets
up
a
city
wall
and
then
and
then
and
then
looks
inward.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
robin
I'm
running
over
top
of
you
go
ahead.
K
Of
course,
I
am,
was
I
not
muted
before
I
don't
know
anyway,
I
was
just
gonna
add
to
why
I
think
it
feels
cold
and
it's
a
problem
I
had
with
it
with
the
design
review.
I
know
what
the
architect
is
trying
to
do
and
he
wants
it
to
look
like
a
warehouse.
That's
been
punched
openings
over
the
years,
but
I
don't
think
it's
successful
and
I
I
don't
know
what
it
would
take
to
make
it
successful.
It
just
looks
kind
of
arbitrary,
so.
E
K
Right,
so
maybe
if
it's
supposed
to
be
this
warehouse,
that's
changed
over
time.
Maybe
there'd
be
different
bricks
and
and
different,
like
places
where
it
looks
like
it's
been
added
on
to
different
colors
different.
You
know
it's
just
all
the
same
brick
and
maybe
maybe
there's
a
way
to
enhance
that.
B
Or
it
would
have
been
detailed
like
the
sawyer
building
yeah,
you
know
I
mean
we've
got
lots
of
brick
warehouses
in
this
area
that
are
older
buildings
that
are
all
brick
and
they're
all
the
same
brick,
but
they
don't
look
like
it
because
now
they
have
introduced
a
couple
of
soldier
courses
and
they've
got
some
lentils
and
some
places.
But
where
are.
K
B
F
B
Regular
a
way
of
detailing
and
then
and
then
pulling
those
things
out
and
this
one
again,
it's
all
dominated
by
the
internal
program,
and
it
has
very
little
to
say
about
what's
going
on
in
the
street,
we're
getting
into
design
issues.
But
these
get
into
what
we
need
to
talk
about,
and
then
I
just
don't
like
the
little
the
little
hat
boxes
that
are
sitting
on
top
of
the
roof.
They
look
odd
to
me
and
and
the
the
I'm
going
to
use
it.
Sasha
said
it.
B
It's
a
missed
opportunity,
so
we've
covered
a
few
things.
Are
there
other
some
design
comments
regarding
the
streetscape,
the
the
building
organization,
the
I'm
fine
with
the
material
choice
myself,
but
I
think
it
could
be
detailed
better,
but
building
organization
and
streetscape
and
lighting
are
there
other
items
that
we
need
to
talk
about
in
terms
of
obviously,
they've
got
some
parking
in
the
in
the
plan.
Is
that
correct,
sasha,
marina.
A
C
Thanks
so
I
wanted
to
address
the
parking
as
well,
because
I
remember
really
liking
what
I
saw
the
first
time
because
of
the
underground
parking,
but
I
also
remember
that
I
don't
remember
it
being
all
brick
did
something
change
in
the
materials
I
felt
like
it
was
two
types
of
materials
before
which
gave
a
little
bit.
No,
I
don't
you're
both
shaking
your
head.
I
think
I.
A
Think
it
will
I'll
go,
find
it
somehow,
but
I'm
showing
I
can
show
you
all.
I
think,
can
I
I
don't
know
if
we
actually
got
it.
When
did
we
see
this?
We
saw
it.
H
F
C
H
C
B
Well,
those
sash
openings
on
the
on
the
first
floor
are
very
warehouse,
kind
of
industrial
looking
and
much
different
than
than
you're
exactly
right.
C
A
I
do
think
the
I
this
is
a
personal
preference.
I
I
prefer,
like
the
darker
solid
red
brick
looks
older
to
me
and
the
this
kind
of
multi-color.
B
B
It's
just
it
is.
It
is
very
much
different
and
I
I
just
think
the
building
organization
looks
different,
the
other
one
looked
more
regular.
I
mean
it
felt
more
like
what
what
what
robin
I
think
was
describing
earlier.
E
B
E
I
agree
if
you
don't
mind
me,
the
the
the
the
latest.
The
brick
pattern
is
kind
of
schizophrenic.
It's
at
least
this
is
in
this
this
view
that
we're
looking
at
right
now,
it's
it
doesn't
draw
my
eye
everywhere.
At
least
it's
giving
me
some
focus.
The
I
think
I
the
first
thing
I
reacted
when
I
saw
the
latest
drawings
were
my
god.
This
brick
is
just
sort
of
scatter
shot
everywhere,
and
it's
yeah.
A
I
do
think
these
window
shapes
and
placement
are
the
same,
though,
between
the
two
I
mean.
H
I
imagine
peter
with
mha
is
watching
this
and
hearing
the
sprit
comment.
I
want
to
layer
in
my
voice
of
support.
I
so
prefer
this
brick
to
that
other
chunky
mixed.
I
didn't
even
know
what
was
going
on
with
that
brick
pattern
and
damage.
This
is
much
better
kimmy.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention.
C
Sure-
and
the
other
thing
I
want
to
ask
about-
is
the
the
pieces
on
top
sorry
guys,
I'm
not
feeling
well
today,
but
I
I
think
that
all
the
items
at
the
top
that
are
supposed
to
be
these
small
buildings
and
such
the
orientation,
the
colorways,
are
different.
So
there's
also
it's
throwing
off
the
balance
of
how
you
view
the
the
building.
C
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
you
know,
there's
other
professionals
on
this
committee
that
you
know
I'm
not
in
your
shoes
but
there's
a
better
way
to
align
it
with
the
first
renderings
as
opposed
to
what
what's
been
done.
Now.
I
don't
think
it's
just
the
color
when
it
comes
to
the
top.
I
think
there's
been
some
changes
in
positioning
and
sizes
of
buildings,
so
so
everything
is
thrown
off.
B
Its
proportions
and
your
comment
on
the
the
that
I
mean
this
building
has
one
really
interesting
element
and
that's
where
it
comes
to
the
point.
It's
what
draws
your
eye
and
it
should
be
the
the
most
fascinating
thing
about
it
and
what
they
had
in
this
one,
where
it
really
felt
like
a
separate
piece.
C
B
C
Can
we
look
at
the
back
of
the
building
so
see
how
the
front
this
front
that
we're
looking
at
here
it's
flatter
to
the
building
where
it
was
more
pronounced
and
then
can
we
go
to
the
back
and
then
compare
the
two
there's
also
a
change
in
in
step
backs
or
something
change
where
it's
much
wider
and
flatter,
so
the
brick
is
extended
further
versus
the
first
one.
There's
a
shift
is
this?
What
this
part
you
mean
so.
A
H
Got
to
point
out
that
this
is
why
we
have
this
community
leadership
seat
on
the
design
committee,
good
job
timmy.
So
I
I'm
also
wondering,
while
we're
going
through
all
this,
why
there's
a
food
truck
on
the
roof
and.
C
That's
what
it
is
so
the
back
here
that
we're
looking
at
because
of
where
those
buildings
are
set
at
the
top.
It
continues
to
look
like
if
the
balance
is
still
off
a
little
bit,
but
when
they
changed
it,
I
think
they
moved
things
and
now
it's
just
this
big
wide
wall
in
the
back
and
all
the
buildings
are
for.
Do
you
see
what
I'm
saying
so
so
everything
shifted
in
the
back
as
well,
so
they
moved
a
lot
of
things
around
and
the
balance
is
completely
off.
A
Just
want
to
see
from
the
up
because
they're,
let
me
see,
if
there's
a
overhead
view
to
get
what
you're
saying.
B
Yeah
and
it
shows
up
in
the
elevations
too,
and-
and
we
we're
gonna,
make
sure
and
transfer
these
comments
to
them
at
the
design
review
board
meeting
next
next
week.
These
are
all
great,
a
great
thing.
So
what
what
I've
got
so
far?
Guillot
is
your
streetscape
pedestrian
experience,
kind
of
for
lack
of
a
better
term
circulation,
building
organization,
pedestrian
activation
kind
of
comments.
B
We've
got
comments
regarding
the
point
of
the
of
the
building
they're,
showing
a
little
circular
thing
right
now
and
plan
in
that
view
that
that
sasha
has
pulled
up.
But
when
I
look
at
the
site
plans,
I
got
a
bike
rack
sitting
there,
which
you
know
I
like
bike
racks,
but
goodness.
H
H
A
B
Yeah
we
we
had
some
oh
go
ahead:
megan.
G
I
just
had
a
question
I
think
we
heard
in
the
hotel
update
last
month
that
city
staff
is
working
on
some
clarity
around
the
extended
stay.
F
G
Language-
and
so
I
just
an
observation-
I
think
this
is
at
least
the
third
project
we've
seen
in
the
last
couple
months.
That
starts
out
a
little
more
residential
or
a
lot
more
residential
in
some
cases,
and
then
those
morph
into
these
extended
stay
units.
So
just
sort
of
an
observation
of
something
that
I'm
noticing.
A
Absolutely
and
staff
notices
it
too,
and
we
talk
about
it
and
we
definitely
will
tighten
up
that
extended
stay
language
and
we,
we
also
are
working
on
like
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
thresholds,
that
if
you
change
your
project,
midstream,
what
you
know,
what
what
causes
you
to
go
back
and
what
do
you
have
to
go
back
to
and
is
it
the
neighborhood
meeting
we've
had
been
we've
been
having
discussions
with?
Can
I'm
going
down
the
rabbit
hole
here,
but
we've
been
having
discussions
with
can
about
when
things
change?
H
Go
ahead,
sage,
I'll
just
throw
in
you
know
to
megan's
point.
We
did
hear
an
update
on
the
hotel
overlay
and
this
was
flagged.
This
extended
stay
is
language.
It
needed
to
be
updated.
The
plan
had
been
to
come
back
in
several
months
with
some
updated
language,
but
I
made
a
request
that
this
particular
part
of
the
language.
The
extended
stay
be
expedited.
So
I
am
in
light
of
this,
I'm
actually
going
to
follow
up
over
email
and
see
if
we
can't
get
counsel
and
move
this
up.
A
A
B
Do
we
have
any
other
comments,
so
we're
going
to
bring
up
a
lot
of
this
stuff
at
the
design
review
board
a
meeting?
Are
there
other
things
that
are
less
in
the
design
review
purview
which
deeply
appreciative
as
a
member
of
the
design
review
board,
because
you
you,
you
gave
me
a
crystallized,
some
things
that
I
was
trying
to
put
into
words.
So
I
very
much
appreciate
all
that.
But
are
there
other
things
like
you
know,
downtown
master
plan
alignment,
livability
sustainability,
parking
kind
of
issues?
B
Sage
I
mentioned
lighting
as
well.
You
know
building
lighting
security
lighting.
You
know
that's
something
that
our
standards
don't
really
address
at
present,
at
least
that
other
than
you
know,
there's
some
passing
references,
but
anyway
are
there
other
items
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
capture
here
today.
K
B
I
feel
like
there's
some
missed
opportunities
on
just
the
they've
got
that
one
kind
of
outdoor
dining
space
and
they've
got
this
huge
lease
space
that
you
I
don't
know
it
feels
walled
off.
I
still
feel
like
it's
a
walled
off
project.
I
mean
it's
not
really
interacting
with
the
street
very
well.
Currently
at
least
the
way
I
read
it.
I've
been
wrong
many
times,
so
yes,
that's
something
that
that
that
we
we
want
on
record
anyway.
B
If
there's
no
other
comments,
I
think
I
think
everybody's
kind
of
felt
like
they,
they
said
their
piece.
Stephen
lee
said
he
was
going
to
talk
about
bad
design
and
he
didn't
say
anything
so
he
must
love
it.
B
Oh
yeah
yeah
yeah
you're
you're
involved
in
the
design.
I
got
you
yeah,
sorry,
okay.
Well,
we
will.
We
will
move
on
to
our
next
order
of
business
unless
anyone
objects
or
needs
to
go
back
to
it.
So
we
will
go
and
go
right
into
our
updates
and
reports.
Wow
20
after
10
look
at
us.
K
It's
okay
can't
meet
how
much
I
was
this
morning.
So
no,
I
saw
it
on
the
agenda
earlier.
So
we
we
met
september
16th
and
we
went
over
three
projects
for
formal
design
review
that
we've
seen
here.
K
We
went
over
39
patent
avenue,
which
was
the
rehabilitation
of
an
existing
historic
building,
the
one
that
two-sided
on
lexington
and
we
all
agreed
and
gave
that
positive
feedback
and
approved
it
to
move
on,
and
we
then
went
over
217
hillyard
avenue
level,
2
project,
it's
a
new
building
on
217
hillyard,
it's
80
units
of
micro
housing
in
a
five-story
building.
There
was
lots
of
interesting
discussion
for
that
project,
but
ultimately
we
approved
it
and
it
moved
on
and
the
last
project
we
reviewed
was
61
biltmore,
the
moxie
hotel.
K
B
What
what
is
the
the
the
downtown
commission's
we've
been
doing,
this
design
review
board
kind
of
separating
these
two
streams
now
for
a
few
months?
Do
you
feel
like
that?
We
are
that
it's
that
it's
working
the
way
it's
intended
in
terms
of
the
process
and
how
we
are
communicating
to
applicants
and
the
kind
of
design
input
that
that
that
we're
giving
applicants
and
what
just
is
the
process
working
is
my
question.
K
That's
a
I
had
that
thought
at
our
last
meeting.
I
feel
personally,
I
feel
like
something's
getting
dropped
with
this
process
because
at
design
review
we
talk
about
design
which
we
should
and
it
makes
it
clean
and
it
keeps
the
discussion
focused
on
design
which,
when
we
talked
about
these
projects
in
downtown
commission,
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
times.
The
design
would
get
muddled
up
in
the
other
issues,
but
at
our
last
downtown
commission
meeting
andrew
fletcher
spoke
passionately
about
the
moxie
hotel
and
his
feelings
about
it.
K
D
Yeah
thanks,
I
I
did
I
I
felt
like
your
question
was
probably
directed
to
the
commissioners,
but
I
couldn't
kind
of
help
but
respond
from
a
staff
perspective.
D
Yeah,
so
I
I
think
the
process
is
working
quite
well.
You
know
one
of
the
goals
was
to
ensure
that
design
review
stay
principally
design
review
so
that
there
could
be
some
integrity
to
the
design
review
process
and
we
didn't
introduce
issues
that
were
not
design,
related
and
kind
of
muddle.
D
The
conversation,
so
I
think,
from
that
perspective,
just
as
robin
has
described
it
it's
working
quite
well
and
regarding
the
non-design
related
comments,
we
are
transferring
those
comments,
but
we're
trying
to
put
them
on
a
track
that
sends
them
to
the
appropriate
body
to
consider
those
non-design
related
issues
such
as
the
planning
zoning
commission.
So
that
didn't
happen
with
the
moxie,
because
it
was
a
level
two.
D
So
all
of
our
you
know
buy
right
projects.
We
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
consider
these
non-technical
standards.
You
know
things
like
concerns
about
how
you
know
the
the
increase
in
lodging
activity
is
affecting
the
balance
of
uses
in
our
downtown
stuff,
like
that.
These
are
more
like
comprehensive
or
small
area
plan
goals
that
we
look
at
when
we
have
our
special
application
processes
or
our
legislative
applications.
D
With
these
level
two
buy
right
option
projects
we
just
don't
really
have
that
option,
so,
unfortunately,
there
isn't
a
great
way
to
communicate
that,
except
that
the
applicant
does
hear
it,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
I
think,
that's
worth
something
so
so
I
feel
like
it
is
working
pretty
well,
at
least
from
the
staff
perspective,
I'd
invite
sasha
to
kind
of
offer
her
thoughts
as
well.
If
I
didn't,
you
know,.
A
No,
I
think
I
think
you
covered
it
all
and
I
think
like
if
you
have
strong
feelings
about
hotels
as
a
use
on
a
project
by
project
basis.
Yeah.
That's
not
gonna,
we're
not
talking
about
changing
ordinances
here
so,
but
I
do
think
like
so,
for
example,
with
the
moxie
shannon's
the
planner
and
has
been
doing
follow-up
meetings
with
the
applicant
around
the
pedestrian
use
of
the
alley.
A
And
so
I
think
all
your
comments
actually
go
into
things
that
we
deal
with
directly
with
the
applicant
that
maybe
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
reporting
back
to
you,
partly
if,
like
how
did
your
comments,
help
influence
a
project
too
well.
B
I'm
thinking
of
it
from
a
couple
of
different
perspectives
as
well,
so
there's
the
the
input
that
we
have
in
the
project
from
a
downtown
commission
perspective
and
then
from
the
design
review
board
perspective
and
we
have
limited
a
a
purview
and
therefore
limited
ability
to
affect
some
of
these
projects
because
they
a
lot
of
them,
are
by
right,
but
then
there's
also
the
I
think
it's
shannon
kind
of
touched
on.
B
B
What
what
some
of
you
are
saying
about
the
downtown
master
plan
and-
and
some
of
these
uses
to
council
is-
is
council
hearing
what
we're
concerned
with
and
what
we
are
hearing
our
you
know,
the
the
the
downtown
is
concerned
with
the
city
of
asheville
is
concerned
with
and
are
we
you
know?
Are
we
raising
enough
hell
over
over
some
of
these
things?
B
C
Yeah,
I
appreciate
the
question
it's
kind
of
why
I
didn't
want
to
comment
on
something
earlier,
because
I
get
that
we
are
bifurcating
bit
by
bit.
What
I
look
at
hope,
as
holistic
and
integrated
needs
to
me,
design
is
impacted
by
people
and
people,
people
impact
design,
and
so,
when
we
bifurcate
on
a
level,
that's
just
looking
at
property.
C
What
we
do
is-
and
this
is
just
in
one
instance
right.
Basically,
this
is
how
I'm
seeing
design
review
in
some
situations
that
it's
created
to
isolate
projects,
so
that
gentrification
or
other
concerns
that
are
community-wide
continue
to
flourish
at
a
slow
burn
right.
C
I
am
also
highly
bothered
because
I'm
clear
that
for
every
individual
design
review
component
I
participate
in
that
is
viewed
as
isolating,
and
it
has
to
be
done
based
on
building
in
codes
and
master
plans
and
all
those
things
those
plans
were
created
when
it
was
legal
to
leave
certain
people
and
their
interests
out.
So
it
is
an
ongoing
issue
and
until
it
gets
solved
in
a
way
that
really
is
inclusive.
C
I
still
have
problems
with
it.
There
are
many
gaps
that
we
get
to
leave,
as
is
because
it's
the
building
and
not
the
people,
and
so
I
am
bothered-
and
I
appreciate
you
asking
the
question
and
it's
why
I
was
emotional
earlier,
because
there's
things
I
just
at
this
point-
don't
want
to
say,
because
people
are
looking
at
me
personally
being
disruptive
in
a
don't,
follow
the
rules
kind
of
way
and
I'm
all
about
building
in
design,
but
I'm
not
about
it,
hurting
people
for
the
short
term
or
the
long
term.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate.
I
appreciate
that
and
from
my
perspective,
you're
you're
more
than
welcome
to
disrupt.
B
Where
we
can,
we
can
handle
it.
Let's
keep
thinking
about
this,
and
so
you
know
there's
there's
several
of
us
that
are
members
of
the
design
review
committee.
I
think
the
the
council
was
looking
at
increasing
the
at
large,
so
there
was
going
to
eventually
be
three
and
three.
B
I
think
I'm
saying
that
right,
sasha
and
shannon
that
you
know
the
the
the
makeup
of
the
design
review
board
is
going
to
design
review
committee
is
going
to
change
as
we
go
and
I
am
still
in
favor
of
what
we're
doing
but
like
robin
and
kimberly.
B
I
do
worry
that
I'm
not
doing
something
right
somehow
that
I'm,
I'm
I'm
dropping
the
ball,
I'm
missing
something
I
just
can
feel
it
it's
hard
to
put
it's
not
quantifiable
in
in,
in
a
way
that
that
I
can
clearly
see,
but
I
anyway,
let's
keep
thinking
about
that
and
I'll
quit
asheville
downtown
association,
update
and
report
megan.
G
I
think
I
told
you
guys
a
couple
months
ago
that
we
had
a
survey
out
to
mostly
to
our
members,
but
there
are
also
some
other
downtown
businesses.
We
had
about
90
responses
to
that
survey
and
we
asked
questions
about
covet
about
arpa
funding,
public
safety,
development
infrastructure
and
tourism.
This
is
a
survey
we
try
to
do
twice
a
year
so
once
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
report
that
out
at
the
state
of
downtown
luncheon
and
then
about
mid-year
and
then
share
those
results
with
key
city,
leadership
and
city
staff.
G
Also
with
some
concerns
around
homelessness
and
long-term
solutions,
and
surprisingly,
parking
was
a
little
lower
on
on
that
list,
which
is
unusual
for
a
downtown
association
survey.
I
do
think
that
you
know.
I
know
that
with
arpa
funding,
it'd
be
interesting
to
know
if
this
committee
or
commission
is
going
to
be
involved
in
some
of
the
city's
process
or
proposals,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
there
are
some
downtown
initiatives
coming
forth.
G
And
then
I
guess
otherwise
we're
looking
at
trying
to
hold
a
holiday
parade
this
year.
Talking
with
you,
know,
public
health
and
looking
you
know,
that's
a
that's
an
obviously
outdoor
event,
but
there's
a
lot
of
space
and
we
can
spread
things
out
so
working
on
that
hopeful
that
we
can
bring
some
sort
of
community
celebration
back
this
year
and
I
think
that's
probably
about
it
from
us
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
Thanks
very
good,
thank
you.
Megan
all
right
rachel
taylor
is
gonna.
Go
through
the
downtown
update
report.
L
All
right
hi,
I'm
not
sure
if
I
met
all
of
y'all
last
time,
I'm
rachel
taylor,
I'm
the
new
economic
development
specialist,
and
so
I'm
going
to
run
through
these
updates,
and
this
is
my
first
go
around.
So
if
there
are
any
topics
that
we
want
to
specifically
see
moving
forward,
just
shoot
me
an
email
be
sure
to
get
them
on
there.
L
So
some
updates
on
the
avl
share
spaces.
The
outdoor
expansion
initiatives
dana
sent
out
a
survey
before
she
left
that
survey
period
has
now
closed
and
so
we're
wrapping
up
those
results
and
based
on
that,
we'll
decide
next
steps
and
and
and
how
we'll
proceed
moving
forward.
L
But
the
the
initiatives
will
extend
through,
I
believe
january
3rd
2022,
so
that'll
that'll
be
how
it's
going
to
be
for
a
little
while
longer,
while
we
figure
out
next
steps.
The
city
also
released
the
american
rescue
plan.
Rfps.
There's
an
information
session
coming
up.
It's
not
required,
but
it'll
be
an
opportunity
to
ask
any
questions.
L
That's
on
october
13th
at
4,
and
I
believe
they
will
compile
all
the
responses.
So
if
you
can't
make
it
it'll
be
put
out
an
addendum
and
deadlines
for
the
rescue
plan,
funds
and
and
all
of
that
rfp
process
can
be
found
in
those
links.
L
We
talked
about
the
development
projects
coming
up.
The
next
design
review
committee
is
going
to
be
on
october
21st
and
then
the
new
noise
ordnance
is
went
into
effect
last
month,
and
so
I'm
hearing
some
concerns
just
from
from
in
in
my
wheelhouse,
but
it
seems
to
be
going
fairly
smoothly.
So
if
there
are
ever
any
questions
or
anything
like
that,
the
link
is
there
and
then
you
can
also
email
us
and
then
last
little
bit
the
greenway
master
plan
and
pedestrian
plan.
L
We've
got
a
lot
of
special
outdoor
special
events
coming
up
the
drum
circle,
the
lala
market,
those
are
weekly
events
coming
up.
We've
also
got
the
festival
and
gospel
in
the
park
on
the
10th,
and
then
we've
got
a
couple
of
races
that
should
have
open
street
routes.
So
I
don't
think
that
that
will
necessitate
any
road
closures
and
those
dates
are
all
there
and
yeah.
That's
that
about
covers
it.
So
if
there
are
any
questions
happy
to
answer
those
and.
B
I've
got
a
quick
question
regarding
the
noise
ordinance.
There
was
a
six
month
kind
of
trial
period
and
then
it
was
gonna.
You
know
we're
gonna
evaluate
it.
So
at
some
point,
there's
gonna
be
data
being
collected
on
the
the
types
of
complaints
and
and
how
and
how
things
have
been.
We've
been
responding
and
stuff.
As
that
data
is
collected,
will
that
be
shared
with
us
prior
to
being
shared
with
council?
How
is
that
process
going
to
work?
The
the
actual
review
of
the
ordinance
itself.
A
About
that,
I
don't
we
can
find
out,
make
sure
we
get
back
to
you.
I
don't
think
it's
a
problem
to
share
whatever
we
we
can
before
council.
If,
once
it's
you
know
available.
B
Okay,
kimberly,
I
see
your
hand.
C
C
Sure
so,
for
my
understanding
background
etymology
of
noise
ordinances,
things
like
that,
they
often
tend
to
skew
over
time
as
a
marginalization
tool
for
people
who
have
less
socioeconomic
means,
meaning
they
have
to
work
late
in
order
to
make
ends
meet,
meaning
they,
so
they
make
make
more
noise
either
in
terms
of
their
work,
how
they
transport
themselves
from
work
to
home
and
then,
when
they
get
home,
how
they
have
to
manage
within
their
multi,
usually
a
apartment
style
building.
B
So
when
we
look
at
this
information,
we're
gonna
probably
want
to
see
you
know
where
are
the
complaints
coming
from
and
and
where
and
where
are
they
being
against
and
kind
of?
What
are
some
of
the
demographic,
markers
and
socioeconomic
markers
that
are
that
are
involved
in
these
things?
That's
the
kind
of
data.
I
think
this
commission
at
least
is
going
to
be
interested
in
looking
at
and
then
passing
any
any
any
of
that
back
on
the
council.
A
C
B
Very
good
any
other
comments
or
questions.
May
somebody
had
a
question
about
the
arpa
stuff
and
whether
we
had
any
input
into
that,
and
so
I
can't
remember
now
who
it
was
yeah
megan.
Thank
you.
So
no,
no,
really
kind
of
you
know
we're
we're.
Looking
or
at
least
I
am
trying
to
follow
the
the
funding
categories
that
the
city
has
identified
and
who
is
submitting
bids
to
it.
I
don't
know
of
any
direct
input
that
we
have
into
that
process.
I
don't
even
know
that.
H
A
couple
things
so
the
arpa
application
period
opens
on
the
15th
and
closes
at
the
end
of
the
month.
I
do
know
megan
and
the
ada,
I
believe,
are
considering
an
application,
but
to
the
topic
of
whether
or
not
this
board
should
weigh
in.
I
would
think
yes,
because
some
of
the,
even
if
you're
not
applying
or
whether
it's
megan's,
what
she's
putting
forth
there
are
going
to
be
some
that
are
very
impactful
to
downtown
one.
Is
the
community
connectors
program
that
the
chamber
is
putting
together
and
they
have
a
flyer
out.
H
B
Very
good,
thank
you
any
I
saw
a
hand
kimberly.
C
I
think
we
have
to
really
reframe
how
we
are
thinking
about
public
benefits,
and
I
just
want
to
name
that,
because
you
can't
you
can't
say
you
want
this
and
then
penalize
over
here
for
that
when
they're
all
very
connected-
and
so
I'm
just
gonna
keep
saying
these
things
until
we
really
integrate
how
we're
treating
each
other
through
these
ordinances
laws,
reviews
and
things
like
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
Hey
I
want
to
chime
in
on
the
end
of
that,
because
this
is
a
general
reminder
to
the
downtown
commission.
You
know
y'all
are
to
advise
on
the
success
of
downtown.
You
don't
have
to
just
deal
with.
What's
on
your
agenda,
you
can
put
forth
your
own
recommendations
and
you
can
rally
ideas
and
so
on,
and
one
of
the
things
that
comes
to
mind
is
a
downtown
design
guide,
design.
Guideline
update,
that
speaks
to
say
the
projects
we
look
at
today
and
the
quality
of
their
glass
and
the
rating
at
which
transfers
noise
through
them.
H
B
So
with
that,
are
there
any
other
items
either
regarding
the
updates
and
reports,
or
with
that
we
can
move
right
into
the
informal
discussion
and
future
agenda?
Dain
would
like
to
make
a
recommendation
before
we
even
get
into
the
rest
of
the
discussion.
Go
ahead.
I
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
city.
We
have
two
projects
that
are
currently
underway
and
that's
the
paving
of
carolina
lane
and
land
grant
alley.
This
is
something
that
the
residents
and
businesses
have
been
asking
for
for
a
long
time,
and
it's
not
just
a
cosmetic
issue.
I
We
one
of
the
things
that
they
just
finished
carolina
lane
and
some
of
you
may
be
aware.
We
don't
have
storm
drains
in
this
part
of
town,
and
so
a
big
part
of
the
project
was
making
sure
that
the
water
is
draining
properly
down
carolina
lane.
A
lot
of
the
water
was
previously
going
down
into
chicken
alley
and
affecting
those
people,
and
so
they've
done.
I
A
lot
of
work
to
you
know
divert
the
water
back
into
the
main
downflow
towards
lexington,
which
is
where
all
the
the
water
drains,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
city
for
finally,
you
know
getting
around
to
doing
these
two
projects,
and
especially
dana
frankel
and
chuck
morris,
the
way
the
project
it
was
a
difficult
project
because
there's
a
lot
of
traffic.
There
was
a
lot
of
repair
work
that
had
to
be
done
and
they
did
a
very
good
job.
B
Are
there
any
other
items
for
informal
discussion
tagging
on
the?
What
sage
sage's
comment,
anything
that
we
did
not
address
today
that
you
would
like
to
make
sure
we
address
before
we
adjourn.
D
B
As
an
ordinance
change,
it
does,
is
there?
Is
there
any
additional
input
in
language
or
reviewing
that
language
that
this
group
can
be
part
of
or
or
needs
to
be
part
of.
D
B
D
B
Yeah,
let's
do
this:
if
you
don't
mind
circulating
that
draft
language
and
if
we
have
anything
to
say,
then
we
need
to
attend
the
pnc
meeting
and
make
our
comments
through
pnz,
and
we
can
do
that
as
downtown
commission
members,
but
you
know
just
attend
and
make
any
public
comments
directly
to
pnz
and
filter
it.
That
way.
Does
that
make
sense,
shannon.
D
Yeah
that
works
we
could
also
for
those
who
are
interested
in
participating.
We
could
maybe
set
up,
like
you
know,
a
couple
short
informal
kind
of
discussions,
one
thing
that
might
be
a
little
bit
tricky
in
communicating
and
when
we
circulate
the
draft
I
can
maybe
try
to
offer
some
explanation,
but
this
is
like
the
the
the
nuanced
relationship
between
you
know
between
you
know.
D
D
We
could
just
maybe
do
a
couple
people
at
a
time,
but
just
do
a
couple,
15-minute
meetings.
So
when
we
circulate
the
draft,
maybe
just
reply
back
to
see
if
you'd
be
interested
in
in
a
short
conversation
before
pnz.
It
might
just
help
coalesce
or
make
sure
everybody's
on
the
same
page.
B
It
would
because
we're
we've.
We
feel
like
we're
playing
whack-a-mole
with
people
getting
around.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
rent
a
place
here
without
living
here
kind
of
conversations?
So
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
kimberly.
You
had
your
hand
up,
didn't
you.
C
Yeah
thanks,
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
we
could,
at
some
point,
maybe
before
by
in
our
december
meeting,
take
an
opportunity
to
review
what
we
said
our
objectives,
where
our
priorities
were
and
just
how
we're
doing.
I
know
that
a
year
in
review
kind
of
summary
for
council
might
be
wise.
We've
done
those
in
the
past
and
by
us
kind
of
taking
a
look
at
how
we've
integrated
our
priorities
and
where
those
impacts
lie
would
be.
B
G
Just
a
question
you
know,
as
franzi
left,
I
was
reminded
that
she
was
leading
the
local
living
economy
working
group
of
this
commission
and
as
she
rolls
off
the
commission
and
out
of
her
role
at
go
local.
I
wonder.
L
G
E
Just
to
follow
up
since
we're
asking
staff
to
do
so
much
more,
we
had
talked
about
reconvening
the
public
space
management
subcommittee,
and
you
know
I.
I
have
been
working
on
that
informal
group
that
that
that
has
been
walking
around
we've
had
two
meetings
so
far,
and
I
just
wondered:
if
we
could.
We
could
try
to
re-engage
that
committee
that
that
stopped
kind
of
working
about
two
years
ago,
because
it's
I
think
it's
signed,
that
that
we
we
start
managing
with.
B
B
I
still
don't
know
what
the
rules
are,
but
yes
I'll
try
to
figure
out
who
of
us
are
going
to
take
those
and
lead
with
them.
I
think
we
very
much
need
that
and
that
will
probably
go
into
how
we're
addressing
some
of
these
priorities.
Okay,
any
other
comments
for
informal
discussion,
future
agenda
items.
B
Okay,
I
don't
think
we
had
any
public
comment
so
with
your
leave,
I
think
we
can
adjourn
right.