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B
Good
morning
everybody
I'm
chair,
barry,
bialik
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
february
3
2022,
affordable
housing,
advisory
committee
meeting,
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
little
bit
differently.
B
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
and
comment
live
by
phone.
Please
dial,
855-925-2801
and
use
meeting
code
7663
to
listen
in
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
C
B
It's
good
to
see
you
doing
paul
heathman.
C
J
Morning,
everyone
yeah
david
bartholomew
homelessness
prevention
program,
director,
episcopal
legal
services.
B
Welcome
aboard
david,
thank
you
thanks
and
I'm
bare
bialik,
I'm
the
chair
chair,
I'm
the
ceo
of
compact
cottages
and
the
thirsty
monk
in
town
all
right.
I've
got
a
pretty
full
house,
so
yeah,
as
I
mentioned
said,
david
was
appointed
just
at
the
you
know,
most
recent
city
council
meeting
a
few
a
few
weeks
ago.
Happy
to
have
him
he's
with
physical
eagle,
which
is
you
know
had
previously
when
parker
was
on.
You
know,
had
some
great
thoughts
and
input
to
our
meeting.
B
So
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
have
that
input
back
and
we
also
have
joining
us
councilwoman
mosley.
B
She
she
said
she
had
another
meeting
she
might
pop
in
and
out,
but
I
did
see
she
was
here
and
then
our
community
development
staff,
so
thank
y'all.
B
All
right
so,
first
first
action,
we're
gonna,
you
know
approve
our
minutes.
I've
been
told,
I've
been
doing
as
kind
of
a
hand
wave
and
we're
not
allowed
to
do
that.
So
we're
gonna
do
a
roll
call.
So
we
found
out
also
just
so
everyone's
clear
on
the
the
way
minutes
are
done,
have
changed.
We
just
found
out
so
it's
kind
of
more
of
an
action
minutes
which
means
that
any
items
that
are
kind
of
voted
on
are
on
the
minutes.
B
Otherwise
what
they
do
is
they
kind
of
time
stamp
the
video
and
then
so
the
vid.
Since
the
meeting
videos
are,
you
know,
permanently
live
on
youtube
on
the
youtube
channel.
I
guess
any
you
know
any
of
the
public
can
refer
to
that,
but
we
were
a
little
surprised
by
this,
because
we
didn't
really
have
a
briefing
about
this
change,
but
I
guess
it
changed
a
while
back
and
other
boards
and
committees
have
moved
to
it.
But
just
with
our
you
know
a
lot
of
our
staff
changes.
B
I
guess
we
just
didn't
know
about
it,
but
so
what
you
know
so
one
of
these
things
and
I'll
go
through
just
because
it
kind
of
looks
funny
what
we're
approving,
but
just
so
you
understand
the
you
know
the
the
rationale
behind
it
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
was
in
margie
and
I
had
some
email
discussion
with
the
city
clerk's
office,
and
so
one
of
the
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
some
committees
has
done
is
appoint
a
secretary.
That
way
we
can
keep
our
own
minutes.
B
So
that's
something
you
know.
Maybe
we
can
we
can
discuss
because
it
might
be
might
be
good
if
the
basically
some
of
the
minute
what
we
were
used
to
having
minutes.
If
we
do
want
to
keep
those
it's
something
that
we,
maybe
as
a
committee,
should
be
keeping
ourselves
rather
than
relying
on
precious
staff
time
so
anyway.
So
with
with
that
said,
you
know
we're
we're
going
to
prove
these
action
minutes.
So
do
I
have
if
anyone's
had
a
chance
to
review
the
review
them
with
the
time
stamp
comments?
G
F
B
B
With
that,
our
timestamp
minutes
are
approved,
and
do
we
want
to
have
a
a
quick
discussion
about
these
minutes
now,
since
we're
in
this
little
section,
do
we
have
anyone
have
any
thoughts
of
if
we
want
to
explore
this,
you
know
explore
having
a
secretary
for
keeping
the
minutes
or
how?
B
G
I
think
it
has
to
be
somebody
and
we
may
have
a
person
and
then
an
alternate
because
things
happen,
and
so,
but
I
think
that's,
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
because,
as
you
and
I
know
there
are
little
nuances
that
get
missed
sometimes
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
to
go
back
and
re-listen
or
re
read
or
read
and
re-hear
the
whole
meeting,
because
they're
two
hours
long,
and
so
I
think,
having
somebody
take
notes
on
the
the
crucial
points
of
our
you
know.
G
B
B
Of
log
off
and
log
back
in-
and
I
think
you
know
I
would
think
one
of
our
approaches
would
be
rather
than
a
point
this
now,
unless
someone's
willing
to
step
up,
we
could
somewhat
we
could
read
through
what
the
minutes
were
like
from
the
past
meetings
and
then
by
the
next
meeting.
Have
you
know
people
who
might
be
willing
to
step
up
for
that?
To
do
that?.
G
I
Like
to
have
a
written
record
of
the
of
the
meeting,
I
think
it
you
know
the
just
reviewing
the
tape
again
doesn't
give
you
that
sort
of
synopsis
of
what
was
discussed
and
decided.
I
I'm
honestly
I'm
a
little
bit
kind
of
taken
aback
by
this
turn
of
bits.
I
hadn't
really
heard
about
the
the
video
minutes
process
and
obviously
you
know
the
video
is
there
and
publicly
available,
but
it
doesn't
really
function
in
exactly
the
same
way.
I
That
meeting
minutes
do-
and
I
I
don't
know,
I
think
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
more
about
how
that
decision
was
reached,
to
go
to
this
sort
of
video
minutes
and
what
it
means
in
terms
of
you
know,
discoverability
and
that
sort
of
thing.
If
there
were
you,
know
an
issue
that
would
come
up.
You
know
down
the
road
about
a
decision
that
was
discussed
here
and
and
and
made
so
you
know
I
I
would
be
interested
in
what
the
you
know.
I
Kind
of
conversation
with
the
city's
legal
department
was
about
that
method
of
keeping
minutes.
G
Apparently,
it
is
something
that
everybody
else
has
gone
to.
We
might
might
be
you
know
behind
the
times
christina
I
she
she
helped
us
out
with
understanding
kind
of
the
timeline
and
everything
that
why
it
happened
for
efficiency's
sake
and
because
lack
of
staff,
but
it
is
more
difficult
to
catch
things.
Paul.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts.
K
You
know
I
yeah,
I
guess
I
still
trying
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
what
the
purpose
of
of
switching
to
this
new
format
would
be,
or
this
new
way,
no,
not
not,
really
not
a
lot
of
feedback.
Sorry.
D
I
mean
I,
I
guess
it's
really
just
I
mean
if
it's
adhering
to
whatever
you
know:
sunshine
laws
or
open
records
laws
there
are
or
or
not,
for
video
versus
a
written
record,
I'm
kind
of
with
andy.
In
terms
of
having
a
written
record.
I
think
that's
a
pretty
well
established
legal
precedent
for
meetings.
I
know
it's.
Certainly
you
know
the
the
ask
on
either
city
staff
or
somebody
on
an
all
volunteer
board
to
you
know,
take
minute
by
minute
word
by
word
meeting
minutes,
but
that's
that's
my
impression.
G
What
is
what
about
you
you're
on
a
lot
of
other
committees?
So
how
do
you
feel
about
this.
H
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
I'll
say
that
while
I'm
on
other
committees,
I
I
don't
take
notes
on
those
committees
that
I'm
volunteering
on
and
recognize
that
it
would
be
a
large
task
so
yeah.
It
was
a
bit
of
a
surprise
to
me,
but
I
haven't
really
formed
an
opinion.
Yet
as
I'm
right
taking
it.
G
In
anybody
else
that
want
to
comment
on
it,
I
mean
it
does
mean
that
we
would
have
to
have
a
person
who
I
mean
that
could
take
them
and
then
an
alternate
that
could
substitute.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
I
I
G
F
You
well
I'm
on
a
couple
of
other
boards,
but
yeah
yeah.
I,
like
I'm,
I'm
agree
with
andy.
I
like
the
idea
of
a
written
record
of
some
variety
and
it
seems
like
you
know.
Somebody
again
would
be
willing
to
step
up
to
do
it.
We
could,
as
barry
suggested,
follow
the
you
know
the
format
from
what
we
had
before,
even
if
it's
not
as
detailed
as
what
we
got
before,
at
least
you
know
hitting
the
high
points.
A
B
Another
one
thing
we
can
be
clear
about
you
know
is
for
the
things
that
are
really
important
for
a
minute.
It's
like
to.
So
it's
not
just
documenting
everything,
since
it
would
be
the
video
we
could.
You
know.
Essentially,
we
could
vote
on
more
things
that
we
that
are
in
discussion
like
and
then
that
makes
it
an
action
item
it
just
you
know,
bogs
us
down
in
more
procedural
stuff,
but
you
know,
I
think,
that's
that's
one
thing
we
can
consider.
B
You
know
it's
like
yeah,
since
it's
basically
meant
to
be
an
action
item,
minutes
that
if
we
change
some
of
what's
discussions
into
action
items,
it's
you
know
again
we
bog
down
and
proceed,
especially
if
every
time
we
can't
even
just
do
a
hand
vote.
But
that's
you
know,
that's
one
thing
we
can.
We
can
you
know
explore
with
this,
so
I
guess
I
guess
we
can
kind
of
move
forward.
It
sounds
like
we're
all.
I
think
we
just
need
to
absorb
this
because
we
were
we
weren't.
B
We
weren't
really
briefed
on
this
ahead
of
time.
I
mean,
I
understand
the
change.
I
mean
everyone.
I
mean
every
company
everywhere
is
having
to
adjust
how
they
do
things
based
on
staffing
levels
and,
as
we
know
you
know,
the
community
development
staff
is
stretched
about
as
possibly
thin
as
we
as
it
can
be.
A
I'm
happy
to
take
any
kind
of
questions
or
give
you
know
great
greater
clarity
or
you
know,
run
through
the
action
minutes,
but
you
know
honestly,
you
know
I
did
get
a
chance
to
speak
to
our
boards
and
commissions
as
well
for
further
guidance
on
this,
and
you
know
we
have
had
the
clearance
to
do
it
for
quite
a
while,
but
you
know,
due
to
being
you
know,
under
a
different
management
and
things
like
that.
You
know
it.
A
It
never
had
made
it
quite
to
that
point,
but
you
know
I'm
very
happy
to
run
through
those
those
action
minutes
and
you
know
give
you
guys
a
you
know
a
run
through
of
you
know
what
will
be
obtained,
but
usually
you
know
if
we
are
going
to
be
utilizing,
you
know
actual
actions
like
a
motion
or
something
that
you
know
needs
to
carry
from
one
committee
to
the
next.
That
will
be
recorded
quite
in-depth.
C
B
Say
maybe
at
this
point,
so
we
just
don't
get
stuck
in
this
too
much.
So,
let's
kind
of
absorb
this-
maybe
maybe
some
of
us
can
look
at
some-
how
other
committees
are
doing
this?
What
their
meetings
look
like?
We
can
have
some
discussions
kind
of
outside
the
meeting.
It's
something.
B
If
you
know
one
of
the
thing
I
know
the
city
in
general
is
looking
at
kind
of
adjusting
some
of
the
way
committees
are
done
and
putting
more
on
like
work
groups,
task
forces,
so
this
and
it
because
it's
also
easier
to
discuss
this
stuff
outside
of
meetings.
This
also
might
be
something
you
know
like
the
connect
task
force
can
kind
of
just
chat
chat
about
it.
You
know,
if
any
of
us
who
have
our
meet,
you
know
the
task
force
meetings
throughout
the
month.
B
B
Do
we
need
to
make
that
an
action
item
on
this
agenda
all
right,
so
we'll
explore
we'll
explore
this
we'll
kind
of
do
some
research
on
this
from
and
then
regroup
next
meeting
and
kind
of
see
if
we
can
kind
of
come
up
with
a
plan
for
how
we
could
do
this,
but
I
think
we
can
figure
this
one
out
yeah.
I
think
it's
just
a
little
shock
all
right.
Thank
you.
Next
up
we
have
our
community
development
updates
section.
You
know,
we'll
all
have
a
few
questions.
B
I
think
you
know,
I
think
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
with
some
of
these.
My
understanding
is
either
hasn't.
There
hasn't
been
an
hcd
meeting.
There
wasn't
one
in
another.
I
don't
think
there
was
one
in
december
or
january,
so
the
regular
updates,
as
they've
been
prepared,
haven't
really
been
prepared.
So
you
know,
I
know
one
of
the
biggest
things
we're
looking
for
updates
on
is
what's
going
on
with
the
hiring
role
for
this.
B
You
know
you
know
from
our
how
our
our
committee
had
strongly
recommended
the
housing
position,
and
it
was
you
know,
described
to
us
by
nikki.
Last
last
meeting
about
how
there
there
would
be
possibly
two
seats-
and
I
checked
in
with
her
yesterday
and
they
you
know,
I
guess
that
hasn't
worked
through
hr.
Yet
so
I
know
that's
something,
we're
all
very
eager
to
learn.
What's
up
with
so
nikki
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
to
share
what
you'd
like
to.
L
And
thanks
and-
and
I
you
know
I
want
to
say
you
know,
thinking
about
how
we
work
is
very
important
to
me
so
part
is
taking
on
the
role
as
the
new
director
is
to
be
clear.
You.
E
L
How
my
relationship
with
the
committee
works?
What
our
communication
styles
are,
how
we
conform
with
our
other
boards
and
commissions,
so
really
just
trying
to
identify
and
work
on
that
being
that
this
is
a
new
role
for
me,
as
as
the
staff
liaison
is
as
a
part
of
the
supporting
mechanism
for
this
committee.
So,
as
you'll
see
later
in
the
agenda,
I
actually
spoke
with
barry
about
including
a
specific
breakout
section
for
the
work
plan.
So
I'm
really
excited
to
dig
into
that.
L
I'm
sorry
margie,
I'm
getting
a
little
bit
of
feedback
from
your
mic.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
sorry
so
so
really
what
I'm
trying
to
like,
I
said
understand
is,
is
the
working
relationship
between
staff
and
committee.
How
can
we
support
that?
How
can
we
support
the
effectiveness
of
the
committee
and
really
getting
our
arms
around
the
appropriate
work
plan,
and
so
we'll
look
forward
to
digging
into
that,
because
what
I
want
to
share
is
that
absolutely
our
priorities
are
100
aligned.
One
of
my
top
priorities.
L
L
She
is
stepping
in
on
an
interim
basis
to
help
provide
some
of
the
project
management.
The
the
new,
affordable
housing
officer
will
one
day
hold,
so
I
appreciate
sasha
who's
coming
in
to
step
in
there,
but
I
do
see
that
staffing
is
yes
100,
one
of
the
priorities
that
I
know
it's
shared
by
this
committee
and
other
priorities,
of
course,
are
our
updates
on
where
we
stand
with
key
implementation
strategies.
L
The
bond
program
projects
within
that
bond,
319,
biltmore,
diverview,
et
cetera,
our
housing
trust
fund
balance,
and
so
again
I
I
know
we're
in
alignment
on
priorities.
I
am
just
trying
to
find
find
the
way
that
I
think
is
an
important
and
effective
way
of
communicating.
So,
just
let
me
give
you
an
example,
so
we
have
these
questions
around
our
housing,
trust
fund,
balance
right
and
I-
and
I
think
it's
a
good
example
to
really
think
about
how
we-
how
we
talk
about
this.
L
So
when
I
approach
the
finance
team
wanting
to
learn
more
about
the
housing
trust
fund
pool
things
like
that,
what
I
began
to
understand
is
it's
not
just
as
simple
as
saying
what
is
your
balance
today?
It
has
to
be
done
within
the
context
of
understanding
that
the
housing
trust
fund
is
revolving
loan
fund.
L
So,
when
I'm
asked
you
know
what
is
your
balance,
I
really
want
to
provide
a
little
more
framework
and
context
around
that
and
take
the
time
that
that
it
needs
to
take
to
help
flesh
that
out,
so
that
we
could
be
strategic
about
investments,
and
we
can
really
look
at
that
long-term
picture
rather
than
zeroing
in
on
a
number.
Now
I
will
say
our
working
estimate
of
the
balance
right
now
is
2.3
right,
so
that
is
our
working
estimate.
L
That
does
not,
however,
take
into
consideration
of
that
future
general
fund
allocation
or
any
future
program,
income
or
revenues
that
we
are
projecting
for
the
next.
You
know
one
two
three
years
right.
It
also
does
not
take
into
consideration
some
of
the
requests
that
are
in
the
application
phase
right
now.
So
we
have
the
homeward
bound,
is
processing
an
application
for
the
days
in
project
1.5.
L
We
have
the
haywood
street
community
development.
They
are
working
on
their
application,
which
I
think
is
going
to
come
in
just
under
a
million
dollars.
So
I
mean
a
lot
of
this
is
something
that
again,
I
want
to
be
able
to
share
with
the
committee
a
full
picture
so
that
we
really
can
acknowledge
the
context
with
which
we
find
ourselves
and
to
be
a
little
more
strategic
about
how
we
think
about
the
housing
trust
fund.
L
So,
if
you'll
just
allow
me
a
little
bit
more
of
that
time,
what
I
want
to
do
is
really
get
our
finance
team
to
also
play
a
part
in
understanding
how
we
look
at
those
projections
and
make
decisions
as
a
as
a
point
there
I'll
say
the
same
for
other
projects.
L
So
again,
I
think
what
we're
seeing
and
again
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
committee
right
now
is
for
me,
some
new
staff
identify
our
working
relationship,
share
our
priorities
and
then
really
professionalize
the
way
that
we
share
out
that
information
with
that
greater
context,
and
so
I
am
looking
forward
to
then
taking
that
that
housing
trust
fund
piece
looking
at
how
we
can
do
an
update
to
this
committee
again
I'll,
be
working
with
barry
on
how
to
put
these
items
on
the
agenda.
L
Much
like
my
request
to
have
this
work
plan
discussion
later
on,
but
I'm
just
wanting
to
give
a
little
insight
into
how
I
think
and
how
I'm
hoping
that
I
can
work
on
on
our
dialogue
here
at
the
committee
level,
so
happy
to
take
any
questions.
But
again,
I
am
certainly
looking
forward
to
that
work
plan
discussion
so
that
we
can
wrap
our
arms
around
it.
G
So
understanding,
where
you're
coming
from,
but
also
understanding
that
some
of
these
projects
are,
I
mean,
we've
been
hearing
the
same
thing
for
month
after
month.
How
long
will
it
be?
What's
your
timeline
for
getting
a
specific
information
on
319
on
d
review
on
you
know,
I
think
we're
all
very
aware
that
2023
is
when
the
funds
from
the
original
bond
are
supposed
to
be
used
have
been
used.
G
So
we're
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
all
thinking
about
is
you
know
we
spent
5.3
million
to
buy
319
built
more
and
there's
nothing
being
built
on
it.
Yet
so
that's
I
mean
we're
we're
very
concerned
about
those
time
frames
because
of
that
bond.
You
know
the
bond
money
and
the
timelines
that
that
go
with
that.
So
can
you
give
us
a
an
idea
of
I
mean?
Are
we
talking
next
month
that
you'll
have
all
this
put
together
or
is
it
six
weeks
or
two
months.
L
L
I
have
been
in
conversations
with
our
bond
council
on
understanding
exact
framework,
and
so
again
it
sounds
like
we
need
to
deep
dive
on
that,
and
so
I
can
add
that
to
that
that
list,
right
of
of
how
we
work
with
this
committee
is,
is
really
deep,
diving
on
the
bond,
because
I've
heard
those
questions
before
certainly-
and
I
would
say
that
within
within
within
60
days,
I
believe
we'll
have
a
robust
update
around
both
of
those
projects,
the
319
nd
review
and
so
part
of
we
had
posted
some
materials
about
hcd
part
of
what
we're
doing
with
hcd
as
well
that
I
know
kind
of
mirrors.
L
Our
work
here
is
providing
a
bond
update
to
hcd
and
I
think
that's
going
forward
in
the
march
time
frame,
and
so
again,
all
those
things
kind
of
coming
together
at
the
right
time
would
allow
us
to
share
that
same
information
here
with
the
committee.
B
Okay,
yeah:
I
think
that
you
know
it's
the
same
way
that
we
all
want
to
work
more
efficiently
and
strategic
and
in
the
past,
having
good
data
really
helps.
You
know
it
just
helps
the
conversation
that
way
it
helps.
We
have
something
factual
to
connect
to,
and
then
it
really
helps
again.
You
know
as
much
of
being
an
advisory
board
we're
public.
You
know
it's
like
the
public
watches
these
meetings,
and-
and
this
is
where
things
are
shared
and
and
it's
one
of
the
first,
it's
not
like.
B
We
have
big
ads
out
there
saying
hey,
you
know,
come
apply
for
affordable
housing,
housing
trust
funds.
We
are
the.
We
are
a
public
meeting
where
some
of
that
first
word
gets
out
and
then
we're
the
ones
who
connect
with
the
community.
You
know
we're
the
ones
who
are
in
the
field
very
tight,
whether
you
know
it's
engineers
or
builders
or
developers,
or
you
know,
in
all
different
levels
that
we're
the
ones
connecting
with
it
and
so
the
more
we
know,
data
the
the
more
strategic
and
factual.
L
This
is
why,
again,
I
want
to
focus
on
that
work
plan,
because
if
we
do
believe
that
this
committee
is
an
appropriate
avenue
to
think
about
a
communication
strategy
to
think
about
how
we
share
out
information
about
attracting
people
to
to
apply
for
housing,
trust
funds,
that's
where
I
really
want
to
focus
our
efforts
right.
So
do
you
see
the
distinction
that
I'm
making
there.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
I
understand
it,
yeah
and,
and
I
think
yeah
as
a
having
like
I
said
having
like.
If
I
look
at
over
the
years
of
what
our
yeah
the
the
update
of
at
least
this
you
know
we
have.
We
used
to
have
those
little
updated
spreadsheets,
which
I
imagine
that
y'all
have
to
work
off
of
or
maybe
or
it's
been
a
while
since
they've
been
updated,
but
that
those
numbers
help
share
the
picture.
You
know,
and
it
makes
it
easier
to
then
know
what
to
do.
Next.
B
I
mean
that's
kind
of
where
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
us
have
all
just
been
in
limbo,
because
we
don't
have
data.
We
haven't
had
good
background
information
to
be
able
to
figure
out.
What
is
it
we
need
to
do?
Strategic-Wise,
because
we
don't
we
don't
you
know
we
don't
have.
We
haven't
had
really
good
data
in
a
long
time.
B
So
I
appreciate
you
know,
hearing
that
you
know
some
of
that
stuff
is
definitely
in
the
works,
and
you
know
even
just
having
a
two
point
hearing
a
number
of
2.3,
even
though
we
just
talked
about
2.5
in
applications
against
that
2.3.
But.
L
G
So
nikki
is
the
number
the
two
just
the
number
that
you
gave
us
does
that
include
all
that
money
that
was
coming
back
from
some
of
the
projects
that
did
not
happen.
L
L
So
it's
just
it's
a
complicated
and
that's
the
thing
is
I
would
I
want
to
really
break
this
down
so
that
it's
clear
so
again
we
don't
get
hung
up
on
a
number
that
doesn't
necessarily
speak
to
what
what
the
context
really
would
would
paint
the
full
picture.
So
again,
I
we
have
to
hedge
against
that,
because
I
just
don't
want.
I
want
us
to
be
and
acknowledge.
You
know
that
all
those
moving
pieces
and
be
able
to
make
decisions
effectively
within
that
for
good
decision
making.
You
know.
L
B
Clearer,
you
know
if
we're
saying
we're
not
clear
on
understanding
it
and
we'd
like
to
be
clear
and
understanding
it.
Then
it's
as
long
as
we're,
then
it's
easier
for
us
to
then
you
know,
help
disseminate
the
information,
but
I
believe
we're
very
unclear
at
about
it,
and
then
I
know
you
know,
like
policy
wise
connected
to
the
balances
is
definitely
this
question.
We've
been
we've
raised
many
meetings
as
well.
What
is
the
policy
for?
When
does
when
does
something
become
allocated
and
and
how
do
we
remove
that?
B
What
is
the
process
for
removing
that,
and
I
think
that's
you
know.
That's
definitely
some
of
these,
where
I
said
we're
where
these
action
items
we've
been
trying
to
move
forward
with
it's
been
kind
of
stuck
because
we
haven't,
we
don't
we
don't
know
like
we've,
like
example,
yeah,
that
if
something
gets
allocated,
what
is
the
policy
for
returning
it?
B
What
is
the
policy
for
you
know
like
again,
I
think
we
know
of
three
or
four
projects
that,
according
to
what's
come
through
our
meeting,
we've
allocated
housing,
trust
funds
that
the
property's
already
sold
and
changed
hands,
and
so
what
does
that?
What
does
that
mean?
And
and
what
is
our
policy
for
how
that
gets
returned?
B
And
you
know
that's
the
policy
connection
to
knowing
the
good
data
that
we've
been
trying
to
ask
for
a
really
long
time.
So
I,
but
I
think,
yeah.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
a
revolving.
You
know
revolving
bit
and
I
think
that's
where
those
those
updates
to
it
have
helped.
You
know
helped
over
the
years,
and
it
was
you
know,
just
the
spreadsheet
updates
or
the
you
know
the
bond,
the
bond
dashboard.
B
You
know
those
updates
really
helped
because
it
gave
us
clear
guidance
when
we
were
speaking
to
others,
whether
it's
the
media,
whether
it's
the
public,
whether
it's
other
developers,
it's
really
clear,
crystal
clear,
like
okay,
yeah
we've
got
three
point:
something
million
and
and
and
that's
that's
the
word
that
gets
out
there,
because
that's
what
people
hear
hear
people
hear
the
numbers
they're,
not
gonna.
It's
really
hard
to
explain.
Well,
there's
this
revolving
fund
and
there's
this,
and
so
just
the
the
chris
more
crystal
clear.
B
We
can
get
with
the
data,
the
more
crystal
clear
we
can
share
it
and
have
less
of
a
you
know
this
disconnect
in
the
telephone
game.
So
I
appreciate
you
know
you're
hearing
us
on
that
and
yeah
we'll
continue
to
move
forward
and
watch
how
this
you
know
kind
of
unfolds
and
and-
and
I
think
you
appreciate
why
why
we
find
this
information
is
so
important,
because
that's
that
number
is
what
people
you
know,
even
if
it
has
an
asterisk.
B
L
B
Like
and
and
it's
you
know,
the
same
way
like
we
talk
in
acronyms
and
we
have
to
you-
know,
define
what
the
acronyms
mean
it's
the
same
thing
with
this
housing
trust
fund.
We
have
to
be
able
to
we,
we,
as
committee
members,
have
to
be
able
to
explain
what
that
means
to
be
able
to
help
get
new
projects
to
the
table.
B
L
Perhaps
when
we
again,
I
I
want
to
dig
into
work
plan,
because
if
we
need
to
think
about
data
collection,
information
sharing,
perhaps
that's
something
we
can
talk
about
from
a
work
plan
perspective.
Okay,.
B
Of
can
you
share
where
we're
at
with
like
step,
like
specifically
the
staffing
of
like
staffing,
and
I
know
we
have
the
one
we
have
one
position
advertised,
but
the
housing
positions
haven't
worked
through
hr.
What's
the
timeline
on
that.
L
So,
let's
see
and
again
I
you
know,
I
really
want
to
be
careful
about
my
working
relationship
with
the
committee,
because
I
you
know
I
I
we
are
in
total
alignment.
Staffing
is
my
number
one
priority
absolutely,
and
so
I
think,
where
I
get
a
little
bit,
I
need
to
help
help
me
understand
again
how
we
communicate,
because
I've
got
a
lot
on
my
plate.
I've
got
a
lot
of
spinning,
spinning
things,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
say:
oh
well,
oh
yeah.
L
This
is
let
me
get
that
out
next
week,
like
there,
I
have
a
number
of
positions
that
I'm
working
towards
and,
as
I
said,
the
affordable
housing
position
is
extremely
important
and
I
am
so
grateful
that
sasha
bertinski
has
agreed
to
step
in
in
an
interim
position
and
so
again,
but
I'm
I'm
trying
to
just
find
that
balance
between
acknowledging,
like
you
know
certain
things
you
know
I've
got
to
manage
and
that's
my
job
as
director
right.
B
Sir,
no
I
totally
understand
yeah
and-
and
I
think,
like
even
those
that,
like
those
examples,
it
was
you
know
the
action
that
came
from
taking
what
was
the
program
manager
position,
paul's
old
job
and
splitting
it
and
having
very
defined
housing
was
something
that
we
we
really
we
as
a
committee
really
pushed
for
and
and
I'm
glad
we
were
heard
on
that.
But
we
also
now
are
saying:
okay.
What's
what's
the
next
step?
B
So
you
know
that's
what
a
lot
of
these
purposes
of
these
committees
are.
We
are
a
big
community
outreach
that
assists
you
all
in
your
roles.
So
just
I
mean
that's
all
we're
saying
it's
just
sharing
like
okay,
this
is
where
we're
at
now.
That's
all
we're.
Looking
for
it's
like
okay,
h,
like
is
hr,
approving
the
job
descriptions
and
it
takes.
L
Well,
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
like
how
we
did
the
cd
program.
I
mean
as
soon
as
we
have
that
ready
and
soon
as
it's
posted,
we
will.
You
know,
I
see
that
christina
has
used
our
listserv
to
be
able
to
share
out
with
this
committee
to
really
help
us
advertise
and
absolutely
I
appreciate
the
advocacy
of
this
committee,
but
that
is
in
process.
It
is
absolutely
a
process
working
through
our
hr
department
working
on
the
job
description.
L
Those
details
I
mean
a
lot
of
that
is
is
an
internal
process
that
I
am
working
with,
and
I
I
work
with
on
a
daily
basis
and
in
fact
I
had
an
8
30
meeting
this
morning
with
hr,
so
so
yeah.
So
I
I
just
appreciate
the
support.
I
really
do
and
I,
but
I
think
again,
I
I
totally
appreciate
where
we
see
alignment
on
that
is
that,
when
we're
ready
that
the
committee
would
would
assist
with
making
sure
that
the
words
out.
L
But
you
know,
I'm
you
know
again,
I'm
working
on
those
job
descriptions.
You
know
working
with
hr,
but
I
can't
control
all
the
different
timelines
right
to
be
able
to
say
it's
it's
going
to
do
this,
but
I
I
just
have
to
emphasize.
It
is
my
number
one
priority
right
now,
but
there's
some
things
that
are
out
of
my
control,
so
I
have
to
you
know
we
have
to
be
aware
of
just
that:
push
and
pull
and
again
this
is
the
kind
of
operational
stuff
that
is
not
policy
right.
L
B
Yeah,
I
mean
it
is
policy
connected
and-
and
these
are
positions
that
we
as
a
committee
rec,
you
know
strongly
recommended
and
that's
kind
of
where
and
and
actually
yeah.
If
there's
hr
policy
that
bogs
it
down,
then
also
that's
something
where
committees
like
us
look
into
like
how
do
we
help
change
those
policies
that
things
don't
get
bogged
down
or
you
know
or
we
could
we
could
have
like
if,
if
it
was
we're
stuck
in,
you
know,
descriptions
you
know
we
could.
B
We
could
literally
have
on
our
agenda
a
time
when
we
discuss
and
bring
forward
other
job.
You
know
it's
like
there's
also
ways
the
committee
you
can
ask
for
items
on
the
agenda
that
the
committee
can
assist
you
with
the
same
way
you're
asking
you
know
that
we
can
now
take
over
some
of
the
miniature
responsibilities.
B
There's
certain
things
like
this.
This
is
obviously
a
very
important
position.
We
deal
with
h.
We
know
we
deal
with
affordable
housing
directors
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
the
state
that
we
also
can
have
a
agenda
item
where
we
help
with
that,
because
it's
yeah
it.
I
don't
know.
Where
does
the
line
cross
from
a
job
from
a
taking
a
job?
What
was
a
job
description
like
what
was
a
previous
job?
And
now
we
we've
strongly
recommended
saying
the
need
for
housing
roles,
and
you
know
it
almost.
L
Well,
absolutely,
and
if
so
I
am
in
the,
I
am
the
in
the
thick
of
it
right
now
I
mean
I've
been
researching
job
descriptions
from
the
north
carolina
community
or
the
national
community
development
association.
So
they
post
a
lot
of
job
descriptions
on
that
board.
I've
certainly
looked
into
the
chapel
hill
example.
In
fact,
they
have
a
really
good
work
plan
model.
That,
I
think
is,
is
something
that
this
committee
should
consider,
and
so
absolutely
if
anyone
does
see
job
descriptions,
but
I
am,
I
am
actively
working
on
it
right
now.
L
So
if,
if
people
see
those
job
descriptions
that
they
they
could
point
to,
but
again
a
lot
of
it
is
going
to
be
focused
on
a
housing,
trust
fund
operations,
our
bond
program
and
our
bond
operations,
redevelopment
of
city-owned
land
being
the
external
advocate
for
affordable
housing
and
the
mouthpiece
for
affordable
housing
for
for
the
department
and
for
the
division.
So
I
mean
a
lot
of
this.
Is
is
something
that
I
think
everyone
under
understands
and
and
acknowledges
as
as
what's
needed,
our
land
use
incentive
grant
our
conditional
zoning
ombudsman.
L
You
know
those
things
like
that,
and
so,
if
there's
anything
anything
that
anyone
sees
from
from
other
places,
I'm
happy
to
take
a
look
at
that.
And
that
absolutely
is
helpful.
But
I
just
you
know
I
want
to.
I
want
to
find
the
balance
of
yes,
how
we,
how
we
work
together,
because
I
appreciate
the
you
know
finding
finding
ways
to
build
that.
C
B
B
Now
it's
been
any
just
any
discussion
outside
about
down
payment
assistance,
or
you
know
any
of
any
of
the
normal
things
we've
discussed
in
updates
has
been
any
updates
on
that
then
we
could
absorb
in
to
then
have
for
you
know
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
can
have
any
future
agenda
items
for
discussing
where
they're
going
or
is
there
just
not.
L
L
I
think
that's
where
that
should
live
and
not
necessarily
like
in
a
community
development
update
right,
because
because
when
I
think
of
update
is
just
like
just
kind
of
where
things
are
right,
I
mean
and
we've
you
know.
I
think
too
right
now.
This
is
the
time
that
our
community
development
staff
is
processing,
ddp
and
home
applications,
and
things
like
that
right.
C
I
I
It
didn't
come
back
here
for
more
policy,
dis
discussion,
it
landed
in
the
at
the
staff
level
and
then
it
went
yet
another
direction
at
staff
recommendation,
which
is
where
it
currently
sits.
We
haven't
had
an
update
on
that
potential
change
that
was
coming
out
of
staff
in
a
couple
of
months
now
and
so
for
us
to
take
up
another
kind
of
policy
discussion
around
dpa
seems
I
mean
we
could
put
that
on
the
committee's
agenda.
I
But
at
this
point
we've
you
know
I've
sort
of
lost
confidence
that
that's
an
effective
tool
for
seeing
our
role
as
kind
of
connecting
public
input
to
the
policy
making
and
procedural.
You
know
implementation
of
policy
like
I.
I
don't
know
that
you
know
I.
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
take
that
up
again
on
a
committee
agenda.
Until
I
know
what
the
current
status
of
implementation
is.
L
Well,
I
think
you
bring
up
a
good
point
about
what
it.
What
is
this?
What
is
this
committee's
connectivity
to
to
the
hcd
right
like
that?
That
is
the
other
piece
that
I'm
hearing.
That
is
something
to
identify
and
formalize,
because
it
seems
like
like
dpa
like
what
you're
describing
is
it's
where,
where
is
that
stuck
point
and
how
do
we?
L
How
do
we
get
off
of
that
point,
and
I
mean
some
of
these
things
will
be
projects
that
I
will
take
on
that
that
that
you
know
paul
was
managing
right,
and
so
I
think
dpa
is
one
of
those
projects,
and
so
there's
not
been
any
movement
on
dpa.
So
I
you
know,
I
need
to
better
understand
what
the
what
the
the
what
the
process
has
been
and
what
this
committee's
involvement
was
in
the
past,
so
that
I
can
better
understand
where
it
left
off
with
this
committee.
B
The
one
thing
that
was
discussed
towards
the
it
was
november
december
about
actually
having
a
combined
meeting
of
hcd
and
and
us
because
you
know,
I
think,
that's
part
of
the
thing
is
we
don't
have
clear.
We
really
don't
have
clear
direction
from
any.
You
know
from
hcd
what,
because
we
we
basically
come
up
with
stuff.
You
know
it's
like
we
talk
about
stuff.
We
come
up
with
stuff,
it
kind
of
goes,
then
it
moves
up
to
82d
and
then
it
kind
of
dies
and
a
lot
of
that's
happened.
B
So
it's
like
if
we
had
clearer
direction
well.
This
is
what
you
want.
Then
we
could
then
work
it
more
efficiently,
but
I
think
that's
part
of
why
we're
grasping
is
like
we're,
not
really
told
what
they
want.
So
it's
really
hard
to
do
anything.
So
we
get
really
frustrated
when
we
come
up
with
stuff
and
we
put
a
lot
of
work
into
it
and
then
it
just
kind
of
gets
stuck
because
apparently
that's
not
what
they
wanted.
So
we
had
much
clearer
direction
from
city
management
and
from
hcd,
meaning
that's
our
closest
council
connection.
B
Then
we
could
work
a
lot
more
efficiently,
but
yeah
we're
all
fresh.
You
know
a
lot
of
frustration
because
we've
been
acting
with
being
the
connected
body
that
comes
up
with
stuff
and
then
it
moves
forward.
We
discuss
it,
we
flush
it
out
and
then
it
just
kind
of
like
well,
that's
not
what
we
wanted,
so
we're
not
gonna
do
anything
with
it
right,
and
rather
it
be
a
dialogue
that
says
well.
This
is
what
we
don't
like
about
it.
Can
we
fix
this?
It?
B
B
Actually
so
yeah,
that's
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
frustration
is,
and
I
hear
what
you're
saying
nikki
is
that
yeah
we're
we
and
we
we
as
committee,
need
kind
of
direction,
but
I
don't
think
you
know,
I
think
that's
lacking
city-wide
right
now
you
know-
and
so
I
you
know,
I
I
think,
maybe
that
joint
meeting
really
would
be
a
good
idea,
because
I
think
that
would
really
help
define
what
is
our
purpose
because
we're
spinning
our
wheels
a
lot
and
then
it
doesn't
go
anywhere.
So
that's
not
you
know.
B
That's
going
to
burn
us
out.
I
mean
we're
volunteers,
so
yeah.
I
think
I
think
that
I
think
really
exploring
you
know.
I
would
at
this
next
hcd
a
time
that
we
can
have
a
joint
meeting
to
say,
okay,
what
is
it
you
want
and
then
you
know
then
of
course
we're
an
election
year
and
that
changes
everything
so
but
yeah.
B
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
big
discussion
we
should
be
having
with
hcd,
because
we
are
all
unclear
and
we're
all
trying
and
but
it
is
frustrating
when
we
all
try
so
hard
and
then
nothing
happens
with
it,
and
then
it's
not
even
brought
back
for
discussion.
So
I
think
that's
you
know,
that's
definitely
where
our
frustration,
when
you
hear
the
same
question
and
you
hear
where
it
is
because
it's
these
same
things,
we
spent
a
lot.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
319.
B
We
spent
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
time,
specking
about
talking
about
down
payment
assistance.
We
talked.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
all
these
different
housing
trust
fund
projects
and
and
then
they
just
don't
happen.
So
you
know,
I
think,
yeah.
I
think
that
clarity
and
a
joint
meeting
would
be
very
helpful
for
all
of
us
for
figuring
out
our
future
and
where
our
time
is
spent
paul.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
for
saying
that
very
I
100
agree
and,
and
also
I
think
I
would
just
add
that,
like
from
a
public
perspective,
it
can
end
up
looking
like
we're
flag
waving
out
here,
like
we're,
trying
to
do
something
and
and
we're
not.
You
know
like
like
that,
we're
all
just
just
trying
to
make
it
look
like
we're
doing
something
when
we
send
it
on
nothing
happens
and-
and
I
you
know
it's
hard
enough
to
get
people
to
participate
in
government
like
the
people
that
are
watching
our
stream
right
now.
K
We
really
want
them
and
need
them
to
watch
they.
We
they
need
to
believe
that
what
we're
doing
is
is
actually
going
to
make
some
change
like
it's
important
to
us
and
yeah
we're
volunteers
and
the
people
that
are
watching
are
volunteering
their
time
to
to
be
in
support
of
this
and,
and
it
just
looks,
really
really
bad
and
maybe
even
what
people
think
government
typically
does
right,
like
so
yeah.
I
hope
I
sure
hope
that
that
we
can
get
some
progress
and
get
back
on
track.
Thanks,
barry.
G
And
in
relation
to
that
I
mean-
I
know-
maybe
city
doesn't
know
this
or
hear
this,
but
because
there
are
so
many
of
us
that
work
all
over
asheville's
reputation
is
not
great
right
now
and
the
housing,
and
I'm
not
talking
about
tourists
coming
to
heike
mountain,
I'm
talking
about
the
housing
authority,
I'm
talking
about
affordable
housing,
I'm
talking
about
the
things
that
we
do
so
the
reputation
we're
trying
to
improve
it.
We're
trying
to
save
it.
G
We're
trying
to
make
people
come
here
that
want
to
build
here,
want
to
build
affordable
housing
and
projects,
whether
it's
four
percent,
nine
percent,
whether
it's
you
know,
market
rate,
whatever
it
turns
out
to
be.
We
are
in
a
world
where
we're
trying
to
bring
people
in,
and
so
it's
our
reputations
too.
It's
not
just
the
cities,
but
it's
our
reputations
also-
and
I
think
that
is
perhaps
something
that
city
staff
doesn't
think
about
when
when
they
look
at
a
bunch
of
volunteers,
so
you
know.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
like
an
example,
you
know
it's
like
of
where
this
data
helps
this
meeting
you
know
is
you
know
an
example.
We
run
the
we've
been
running.
These
reports
of
you
know
we,
you
know
the
policies
determine
how
what
deemed
affordable
is
anything
less
than
275
000.
We
create
these
reports
every
month,
we're
watching
that
number
dwindling
dwindling
dwindle.
B
I
prepared
the
report
this
month
for
single
family
homes
less
than
275
000,
and
there
was
one
single
house
and-
and
that
was
in
that
morning
later
in
the
day
I
looked
at
it
that
house
was
under
contract.
So
at
the
point
there
were
zero
houses
in
the
city
of
asheville,
less
than
275
000.
That's
crisis,
panic
mode.
I
could
not
believe
it.
I
called
some
of
my
realtor
friends
had
them.
I
thought
my
mls
was
not
working.
You
know
I'm
used
to
three
four
zero.
B
So
then
that's
where
this
discussion
comes
up
like
so
we're
this
an
example
of
how
a
board
like
us
works.
So
we
said
okay,
so
I
did
we
recognized
that
we
put
in
this.
You
know
in
the
on
the
innovations
whether
you
want
to
call
it
innovations
or
not
section
of
the
agenda
we
put
on.
Let's
explore
manufactured
housing,
did
a
quick
data
search
saw.
What
is
you
know
in
the
county?
B
What's
for
sale
like
what's
the
difference
in
the
county
and
us
and
what
are
the
differences?
And
maybe
you
know
maybe,
and
that
that's
kind
of
where
the
where,
where
the
first
step
of
this
and
where
the
data
helps
drive,
what
could
be
future
policies?
You
know,
that's
that's
how
everything
is
so
connected
and
don't
y'all
get
that,
but
I
don't
want
you
know.
I
think
you
know.
B
And
so
I
you
know,
I
think,
yeah
this.
I
think
a
a
joint
meeting
with
us
and
and
hcd
is
imperative
at
this
point,
so
we
can
get
some
direction
so
we're
not
spinning
our
wheels
and
watching
everything
just
kind
of
die.
B
J
C
Idea,
how's
that
motion.
B
C
G
A
M
B
B
All
right
do
anyone
have
any
other
questions.
We
want
to
ask
about
any
development
updates
about
the
things
that
we
ask
about
everyone,
just
kind
of
move
on.
C
I
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
get
an
update
at
some
point
about
the
the
american
rescue
plan
act.
I
know
that's
taking
place
outside
of
the
the
cd
team,
but
I
know
there
are
several
affordable
housing
developments
being
proposed
for
american
rescue
plan
act
funds
through
the
city,
so
I'd
love
to
get
a
I'd,
love
to
get
some
information
about
that
in
this
committee
and
potentially
weigh
in
on
the
you
know,
merits
of
those
projects
at
this
level.
B
How
would
we
do
that?
Would
we
ask
that
any
like
I'm
not
sure
like
how
that
time?
I
know
that
they're
hearing
things
right
now.
Would
we
ask
that
anything
can
like
what
is
the
timeline
from
when
they
hear
these
to
when
they're
approved,
since
this
goes
right
to
city
council,
is
there
even
an
opportunity
to
ask
for
items
related
to
housing
run
through
committee,
or
is
it
or
is
the
funding
happen
before
that?
I'm
not
that
familiar
with
it.
How
would
you
see
we
could
plug
in
with
that
andy
yeah.
I
And
I'm
not
really
sure
how
quick
the
timeline
is
going
to
run.
I
know
they
had
preliminary
meetings
with
applicants
earlier
this
week.
I
don't
know
how
fast
the
timeline
is,
after
that
it
may
be
that
we
even
just
a
very
preliminary
bit
of
information.
You
know
x,
number
of
proposals
came
through
related
to
affordable
housing
for
a
total
of
x
dollars,
and
you
know
we
come
out
of
this
committee
with
a
you
know,
not
necessarily
a
specific
recommendation
for
any
particular
proposal.
I
But
you
know
this
committee
recommends
the
city
prioritize
the
use
of
arpa
funds
for
affordable
housing.
You
know
I
I
just
it
just
feels
like
that's
a
that's
a
significant.
I
mean
it's
a
once
in
a
generation
investment
of
federal
funds
locally
and
an
opportunity
to
invest
those
in
affordable
housing,
and
you
know
I
I
think
this
committee,
you
know
really
should
have
some
some.
I
Those
proposals
should
be
visible
to
this
committee
and
we
should
be
in
a
place
where
we
can.
You
know,
promote
the
you
know:
city's
investment
in
support
of
affordable.
B
Housing,
okay,
so
the
question
would
be
like
in
the
policy
bit
if
there
was
well.
I
you
know
nothing
of
the
timeline
of
this,
but
but
where
prod
like
what
the
focus
should
be
on
project,
because
I
think
that
you
know
there's
definitely
you
know
there's
what
how
much
should
be
focused
on
different,
affordable
housing
levels
and
some
and
how
much
is
focused
on.
I
guess
you
know
home
projects
that
are
related
to
homeless
issues.
B
L
I
don't,
I
think
what
I
did
understand
is
that
they
were
going
to
hear
recommendations
or
discuss
recommendations
in
either
march
or
april,
not
city
council,
so,
and
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
committee
committees,
reviewing
proposals,
so
I
think
they're
just
working
directly
with
council
on
these
allocations.
I
know
that
certainly
the
council
had
deliberated
on
the
prioritization
areas
and,
of
course,
affordable.
Housing
was
one
of
them
and
and
thanks
scott,
for
sharing
these
documents.
Because,
yes,
you'll
see,
there's
a
number
of
affordable
housing
projects
on
the
slate
yep.
B
B
Where
we
talk
about
this
connection,
the
council
directive,
where
we've
never,
we
were
never
asked
because
there's
no
clear
direction
of
like
is
the
his
council
priorities
or
this
percentage
towards
homelessness
towards
us,
which
we
you
know
over
the
years
we
used
to
have
those
like
these
are
council
priorities
for
housing,
and
we
really
we
haven't
really
seen
those
in
quite
a
while
so
yeah,
it's
kind
of
just
council
takes
it
on
themselves,
but
that
could
be
you
know
you
know
again.
B
I
think
that's
something
andy
that
you
know
what
could
come
up
again
in
this
hcd
discussion,
but
I
think
you
know,
I
think
they're.
Definitely
you
know
again.
We
could
blink
covet
for
a
million
things,
but
there
definitely
has
been.
You
know.
Covet
has
definitely
helped
reduce
transparency.
You
know
that
it's
easier
for
things
just
to
go
direct,
because
the
communication
flow
is
definitely
more
complicated
and
takes
a
lot
more
time,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
shouldn't
be
more
transparent
and
go
through
proper
channels.
Yeah.
B
Well,
let's
look,
you
know,
maybe
offline,
that's
wha,
we'll
kind
of
look
at
those.
You
know
you
know
I've
seen
what's
been
pitched
it's
kind
of
like
yeah,
just
a
free
pitch
to
the
council
for
all
of
these
and
then
to
see.
If
there's
is
any
time,
you
know
any
place
where
we
could
advise
in
or
we
could
look
at
them
and
make
our
own
action
motion
to
say
we.
B
We
recommend,
you
know
that
a
certain
percentage,
not
specific
projects,
but
a
certain
percentage
should
be
going
towards
towards
affordable
housing
needs
and
a
certain
should
be
going
towards
homeless.
You
know
homeless,
assistants,
so,
okay.
Well,
let's
explore
those
and
see
you
know
for
this.
Next,
you
know
our
next
meeting
or
when
we
can
sit
down
with
hcd,
but
I
think
I
think
that
will
really
help.
You
know
that
I
think
we're
we
we
we
need
to
connect
this
communication
better,
because
we're
all
we're
all
frustrated.
C
G
G
This
might
need
to
be
considered
and
because
nobody
ever
talks
about
units
the
number
of
units
that
will
be
coming
online,
but
we
also
need
to
think
about.
We
had
a
very
sad,
tragic
situation
with
tribute
and
on
south
slope,
where
there's
some
of
those
apartments
we're
talking
six
to
nine
months,
delay
now
on
more
units
coming
online,
now
they're,
I'm
not
saying
they're
all
affordable,
but
because
I
don't
know
which
ones
or
how
that
would
be
affected.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
times
the
press
will
get
this.
G
Oh
we've
got
5
000
units
coming
online;
no,
no,
not
really
they.
They
don't
understand
how
that
all
works.
So
we
we
have,
you
know,
there's
their
ebbs
and
flows
as
all
these
delays
and
things
like
that
happen,
any
affordable
units
we
actually
have
coming
into
our
pipeline,
where
people
can
literally
move
into
them.
B
Okay
and
you're
talking
to
talk
about
is
the
foundation
issues
that
were
in
the
work
that
came
up
recently
on
the
on
the
that's,
how
slope
project
and
which
is
kind
of
you
know
eerily
similar.
You
know,
I
read
it
and
eerily
thought
back
to
the
you
know
the
eagles,
the
mountain
housings
project
and,
and
again
this
kind
of.
I
wonder
you
know.
H
H
B
Yep
yeah,
it's
affected
every,
you
know,
yeah
the
quick
manila
project
and
and
where
this
you
know,
you
know
nikki
for
an
example
where
this
connects
to
policy.
B
You
know,
as
we've
as
we've
discussed,
like
one
of
the
policy
things
we
discussed
or
brought
over
over
the
years
is
that
city-owned
land
should
be
should
be
remediated
and
brought
to
padre,
and
that
was
like
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
we
discussed
is
like
that
city-owned
land
shouldn't
just
be
turned
over
to
developers
in
its
raw
state,
because
the
reality
is
of
the
raw
state
of
land
in
asheville.
It's
really
bad.
I
mean
from
whether
it's
large
projects
or
whether
you
know
I-
I
build
individual
house
sites
where
I've
found
churches.
B
I
found
road.
I
mean
the
city
most
of
west,
most
of
the
city
used
to
be
a
dump
site
for
everything
else,
and
it
was
just
buried,
and
so
there's
you
know
some
especially
for
affordable
housing
projects
in
city
owned
land.
Maybe
the
responsibility
would
bear
on
cleaning
the
land
up
to
get
to
gravel
ready.
So
we
don't
have
these
surprises
and
that's
where
that's,
where
these
discussions
connect
to
what
could
be
future
policy
and
that's
where
these
things
we've
brought
up.
B
I
mean,
like,
I
think,
we've
brought
up
over
the
years
so
many
times
that
city
online
should
be
brought
to
gravel
ready
and
that's
where
things
connect
to
policy
from
having
these
deep
discussions
and
from
observing
where
things
go
wrong,
this
isn't
the
first
time
I
mean
I
think,
we've
got
now
this
site.
You
know
the
eagle
street,
we
know
the
clinton
hilliard.
We
know,
that's
why
oak
hill
is
just
sitting
there.
B
So
there's
you
know
it's
it's
indicative
of
land
in
the
city
and
that
if
we
want
projects
to
work
that
that's,
maybe
where
funds
could
go
to
help
remediate
them.
So,
but
that's
that's
where
this
you
know
these
things,
connect
to
policy
and
we've
been
brought
up
and
and
initiated
conversations
out
of
this
committee
over
any
time
over
the
years,
and-
and
I
guess
that's
what
we
need
to
know-
you
know
how
how
we
turn
those
in
the
next
steps,
because
those
are
very
valid
things
you've
got.
B
You
know,
you've
got
an
engineer
on
the
committee
here,
who's
the
one
who's
dealt
with
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
You've
got
builders
here
who
who
deal
with
this
as
their
building
you've
got.
You
know,
people
who
deal
with
all
the
policies
and
the
funding
for
these
projects
that
you
can't
just
you
know
you
can't
just
say
oh
well
now
this
is
gonna
cost
five
million
dollars
more
to
make
this
work
because
of
what
we
found
that
changes
the
numbers
on
everything.
It's
all
you
know
it's
all
connected.
L
And
we
did
that
to
some
extent
on
319
I
mean
I
think
you
know,
especially
as
the
lead
walker
heights
project
was
underway,
so
I
feel
like
that
is
a
really
good
example
of
it
working
well
so
because,
yes,
like
the
storm
water
improvements
that
were
made
the
water
christmas
as
well,
you
know
that
that
site
is
pad
ready
right,
so
we
just
got
to
get
over
the
hump
there,
but
yeah.
B
All
right
we've
been
on
this
a
long
time,
because
this
is
some
pretty
important,
meaty
stuff,
and
I
think
we,
you
know,
I
think,
the
next
step
you
know,
I
think
our
action
out
of
this
is
a
good
next
move
that
we've
all
been
trying
to
get
for
a
while.
So
any
other
specific
questions,
if
you
want
to
ask
her,
can
we
roll
this
up
all
right
moving
on?
So
you
know
the
the
the
reports
that
we
have.
B
You
know
that
was
probably
the
one
the
most
you
know
the
housing
report
that
was
really
the
most
glaring
that
that
there
as
when
I
wrote
those
reports
last
week
there
was
one
single
house
less
than
275
000.
It
was
under
contract
later
that
same
day,
there's
one
more
that
came
on
yesterday
that
I'm
guessing
by
the
end
of
the
day
will
be
under
contract.
B
So
that
means
there's
really
zero.
You
know
and
as
soon
as
they
come
on,
they
get
they
get
absorbed.
So
that
means
you
know.
That's
and,
and
275
is
what
we
have
defined,
is
the
definition
of
affordable
and
that's
bad.
So
you
know,
I
don't
know
is
hey.
I
saw
ricky
perlia
joined
us
ricky.
Did
you
join
us
for
any
specific?
So
I
want
to
be
careful
if
anyone's
in
our
meeting
that
they're
with
us.
I
want
to
see
if
we
need
to
hit
something
on
the
agenda.
B
So
this
you
know,
so
I
will
we're
the
one
thing
where
this
will
be
relative
to
this.
You
know
to
specifically
dsd
and
you
ricky
and
I'll
connect.
You
know
we
have
this.
We
have
a
section
on
our
agenda
that
we
don't
use
all
the
time.
B
It's
called
innovations
and
housing,
but
it's
basically
we've
looked
at
like
3d
printing
we've
talked
about
prefab,
so
one
of
the
things-
and
I
know
you
and
I
have
spoken
this
offline
from
running-
that
report
of
houses
less
than
275
000,
prompted
me
to
kind
of
look
at
what's
in
buncombe
county,
so
I
ran
a
report
of
buncombe
county
houses,
which
was,
I
think,
20
it
was
more.
You
know
it
was
20
houses.
B
Let's
say
that
are
in
the
county
and
zero
in
the
city,
and
then
you
know
and
then
looking
at
that's
in
the
county.
What's
the
makeup-
and
there
definitely
was
some
manufactured
in
that,
so
the
discussion
that
we
kind
of
you
know
I
added
to
the
agenda
of
innovations
is:
should
we
look
at
you
know?
B
Should
we
explore
opening
up
that
can
like
allowing
manufactured
homes
in
the
city
or
as
or
even
looking
at
it
as
a
as
an
emergency
measure
like,
but
so
we
have
that
later
on
the
agenda
in
this
innovation
section
and
that's
where
you
know,
I
know
it's:
it's
a
slippery
slope
conversation,
but
the
data
again.
Looking
at
the
data
data
points
to
that
there
is
a
small
housing
stock
less
than
275
in
the
county
that
there
is
zip.
B
So
we'll
you
know,
I
think
I
want
to
I'll
keep
that
on
that
later
part
of
the
agenda,
but
just
so
you
have
a
little
time
to
gel
over
that
part
of
the
conversation
any
other
from
the
reports
we've
submitted
from
the
other
housing
stock.
That
shows
closing
any
comments.
Thoughts
I
was
enjoying
reading
the
data
and,
from
all
of
you
know
our
right.
B
It's
yeah,
it's
it's!
It's
sobering!
We're
in
I
mean
we've
always
been
in
crisis,
but
asheville
you
know
between
the
rent.
You
know
you
know,
rent
wonder
what
do
we
think
about
in
our
reports.
You
know
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
now
about
the
rent
like
increase.
B
I
wonder
if
something
from
pizza
legal,
that
you
know
now
that
david's
joined
us
and
maybe
they
have
better
connection
to
some
of
the
rental
data.
If
we
should
be
adding
in
reports
of
what
rental
averages
are
you
know,
that's
not
something
it's
something
we
get
out
of
the
media
we
get
out
of.
We
see,
but
we
don't.
We,
as
a
committee,
haven't
really
have
a
report
about
rentals.
I
wonder
if
that's
something
we
should
explore,
adding
to
our
monthly
reports.
J
So
I
don't
know
that
pisgah
has
more
specific
data
than
you
know
we
get
from
the
media.
Certainly
we
track
through
the
the
acs
census
data
you
know
and
we
get
asked
about
it,
a
lot
from
the
media,
and
so
we,
you
know
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
internal
data,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
huge
part
of
the
story
right
when
we're
we're
looking
at
the
whole
market
for
housing
and
obviously
affordable
housing
is
impossible,
as
you
guys
are
saying,
there's
zero
and
we're
aware
of
that.
J
And
then,
when
you
see,
25
rent
increases-
and
I
mean
at
the
low
end,
what
we've
seen
is
is
14
or
15,
but
I
think
it's
higher
than
that
and
we
don't.
You
know
now
that
the
the
pandemic
is
winding
down.
I
mean
we
expect
to
go
up
even
more
right,
because
the
moratorium
has
now
not
been
in
place
for
seven,
seven
or
eight
months
and
people
are
not
renewing
leases.
I
mean
we,
we
are
definitely
hearing,
especially
the
larger
property
management
companies.
J
They
are
raising
their
rents
and
they're,
not
renewing
leases
at
anywhere
close
to
the
the
rents
that
we
had
before.
So
we're
happy
to
share
those.
You
know
share
what
data
we
do
have,
but
mostly,
I
think,
we're
relying
on
the
same
public
available
data.
The
the
bowen
report
we're
looking
at
those
things
to
get
our
our
information.
I
don't
know
that
we
have
anything
more
more
valuable
or
significant
than
that.
J
B
Do
we
want
to
again
just
for
keeping
everything
moving?
Do
we
want
to
look
at
maybe
creating
an
action
for
you
know?
Actually
I
don't
know
that
we,
for
that
we
add
some,
even
if
it
doesn't
change
every
month,
but
we
look
at
putting
together
a
rental.
B
You
know
kind
of
a
rental
update
that
we,
you
know,
doesn't
have
to
update
every
month,
but
that
way
we
at
least
have
that
in
these
in
our
agenda.
That
way,
it's
something
that
we're
publishing
each
month
with
our
list
of
like
available
homes
that
we
we
we
have
a
rental
data
sheet.
That
says
this
is
what
the
most
updated
is
a
rental
okay.
B
So
let's
I
guess
again,
so
let's
do
a
little
well
margie!
Let
me
see
if
you
had
your
hand
up.
G
I
just
wanted
to
say
if
maybe
christina
or
I
can
do
it
or,
however,
want
to
do
it
that
we
get
that
article
that
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
asheville
citizen
times
last
friday.
I
think
it
was
friday
anyway,
whatever
day
it
was
thursday
and
friday.
That
said,
asheville
is
the
most
expensive
place
in
the
state
to
rent
and
gave
really
good
examples
of
what
it's
like
in
detroit.
G
B
M
M
C
M
A
B
Moving
on
any
other
discussions
about
kind
of
our
update
reports,
okay,
moving
on
so
in
our
unfinished
business,
our
you
know
our
task
force
meetings
build,
we
did
not
meet
last
month.
I
think
I
think
I
think
we
have
a
february
meeting,
but
we
will.
I,
I
don't
remember
my
calendar,
I'm
sorry,
we've
been
my
company's
been
ravaged
by
cobid,
so
I've
I've
had
I've
been
scrambling
to
just
keep
afloat
with
my
my
normal
stuff.
B
So
I
I
just
have
not
had
the
same
same
offline
time
to
dedicate
to
some
of
this
some
of
this
stuff,
but
I
think
we,
you
know,
I
think,
we'll
set
our
february
meeting
and
then
we
will
discuss
that
at
the
next
at
our
next
meeting.
Anyone
want
to
add
anything
about
build.
I
Yeah
connect
team
met
a
week
or
so
ago.
We
looked
a
little
bit
more
at
a
topic
that
we
discussed
in
a
couple
of
times
in
in
recent
full
committee
meetings.
The
idea
of
some
sort
of
equitable
development
scorecard
some
a
way
to
look
at
all
of
the
multiple
bottom
line:
priorities
that
that
we
put
on
our
community
development
investments
to
to
create
a
framework
that
was
that
was
comprehensive.
That
was
community
informed
and
that
might
create
some
consistency.
I
When
we
looked
at
individual
projects
and
and
larger,
you
know
sort
of
planning
efforts
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
different
values
that
we
have
on
on
our
our
public
investment
around
community
development
were
were
reflected
and
were
obvious
to
to
builders
developers,
agencies
who
were
trying
to
do
affordable
housing
that
you
know
it
was
obvious
at
the
front
end
what
you
know
what
the
city's
overarching
goals
were
for
those
projects
so
that
they
were
less
likely
to
run
aground
on
on
some
unexpected.
I
Priority
down
the
road,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
look
at
that.
Put
some
put
some
models
together,
go
back
and
look
at
the
the
different
ways
that
we're
scoring
our
existing
incentive
programs
and
meet
with
some
other
communities
that
are
doing
similar
kinds
of
work
and
we'll
try
to
tee
that
all
up
for
a
full
committee
presentation
in
the
coming
months.
C
B
Do
we
want
to
you
know,
I
wonder
if
this
might
be
just
a
good
time
to
plug
in
with
this
with
this
task
force
discussion.
You
know,
you
know
task
forces.
Are
this
way
that
we've
been
able
to
kind
of
have
a
you
know
secondary
meetings
throughout
the
month
of
smaller
clusters
that
are
that
are
task
oriented.
You
know
for
coming
up
with
different
solutions
and
discussions,
and
I
wonder
with
you
know,
for
nikki,
I
think,
would
your
you
have
some
thoughts
of
creating
a
basically
a
task
force
about?
B
B
Do
you
want
to
share
your
your
thoughts
on
that?
So
we
can.
L
L
B
Great
all
right
so,
but
yeah
thanks
to
you,
know
the
connect
team.
I
think
that
you
know
the
the
the
concept
of
an
equitable
development
scorecard
is
great.
You
know,
I
think
it's
something
when
you
know
over
the
years
in
the
past,
when
we
used
to
look
at
projects
and
talk
about
projects,
it's
something
that
was
part
of
the
discussion
and
I
think,
having
you
know
some
policy
in
detail
about.
That
would
be
very
helpful.
B
Next
up
on,
we
have
the
the
planning
and
open
space
which
I
don't
I
mean
I
I
don't
want
to
get
too
stuck
in
that
does
anyone
know,
though
those
you
know
we
had
three
of
our
members
who
are
on
that?
Does
anyone
know
what's
going
on
with
that?
Is
that
just
is
it
going?
What's
its
next
step.
N
Yeah
I'll
be
glad
to
yeah.
We
had
plan
services
right
before
this.
So
what
I
understand
it's
been
postponed
the
brakes,
I
guess,
are
tapped
a
little
bit
and
there
is
a
work
session
coming
up.
I
believe
with
city
council
in
march,
and
I
want
to
say
it
was
march
8th
so.
D
Last
night
I
received
an
email
from
vadilla
vika
with
planning
and
urban
design
march.
Sorry,
let
me
look
it.
Maybe
yeah
yeah,
I'm
just
looking
back
at
my
email.
D
Yes,
you're
correct
sorry,
tuesday
march
8th
two
to
four
p.m.
I
had
march
second.
N
For
some
reason,
I'm
still
adjusting
to
february
yeah
so
yeah,
so
there's
a
work
session
coming
up
and
I
think
the
idea
is
to
try
to
bring
some
landscaping
amendments
and
open
space
kind
of
along
together.
At
the
same
time,
that's
what
we
were
heard
earlier
today.
D
H
Was
just
going
to
ask
so
a
city
council
work
session
really
means
that
they
talk
about
it
and
they
ask
staff
questions
or
what
does.
M
H
B
B
All
right:
well,
I
guess
you
know
where
our
committee
is
involved
with
this,
as
we
had
you
know,
multiple
members
on
it.
We,
as
a
committee,
you
know
the
two
of
the
members
wrote
up
the
you
know
letter
of
support
for
the
open
space.
We
as
a
committee
recommended
it.
So
I
guess
you
know
we'll
we
can.
I
guess
the
point
where
we
connect
in
is
we'll
have
to
discuss
if
based
on
what
revisions
are,
if
we,
as
a
committee
or
the
members,
iran
is
still
support.
What
changes
you
know
because
so
that's
that's.
B
I
think
where
we
at
least
plug
in
on
this,
because
you
know
I
was
specifically
a
guy.
I
know
I
was
specifically
asked
offline
by
city
council
members.
What
what
is
our
position,
our
committee
position
on
it?
I
forwarded
the
letter
letters
of
support
over
so
you
know
we'd
want
to.
If
there's
any
changes
to
it.
We
want
our
committee
to
have
the
chance
to
explore
if
we
want
to
change
the
positions.
So
that's
just
that's
just
where
I
think
where
we
plug
in
on
this
conversation.
B
Next
up,
you
know,
I
think,
the
I
think
these
are
things
that
we,
you
know
the
the
about
the
each.
You
know
the
application
thing.
I
think
this
is
something
that,
as
we
create
an
agenda,
I
put
together
an
agenda
for
this
joint.
You
know
meeting
we're
asking
for
hd.
These
are
some
of
these
things
that
I
some
of
these
things,
I'm
looking
at
that
are
in
what
like
what
what
we
refer
to
as
unfinished
businesses,
items
that
wouldn't
they're
unfinished
because
we
worked
on
them
and
then
they
kind
of
got
stalled.
B
So
these
are
items
that
I
think
when
we
get
some
clarity
on
hcd,
then
we
can
decide.
Is
this
a
work
plan
item?
Is
this
something
we
need
input
on?
But
I
think
that's
you
know
kind
of
when
you
look
at
a
lot
of
our
unfinished
business.
A
lot
of
these
items
are
things
that
we've
gone
through
them.
They've
moved
to
the
next
level,
they've
been
stalled,
and
so
they
just
kind
of
hang
out
there.
Still
I
mean
or
there's
you
know
or
data
we've
been
asking
for,
so
I
think
this
you
know.
B
I
think
some
of
these
those
next
items
I
see
in
the
unfinished
business
are
really
items
that
we
will
just.
You
know
that
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
hd
and
discuss
like
this
is
what
do
you
want
from
this
stuff?
And
that
way
we
we
can
have
clear
guidance.
But
that's
that's
when
I
start
to
look
at
our
agenda
and
these
items
are
things
that
have
just
been
bogged
down
because
we
don't
have
any
direction
on,
and
so
I
think,
yeah
we'll
we'll
we'll
bring
those
and
we'll
create.
B
You
know
our
you
know
once
we
see
what
that
date
looks
like
for
this
meeting
with
acd,
we
can
create
kind
of
the
items
that
we
want
to
be
clear
to
discuss.
So
we
can
so
we
as
a
committee
can
get
direction
for
what's
needed
for
what
we
spend
our
our
time
on.
B
And
that's
why
yes
see
what
these
these
items
so
I'll
kind
of
just
skip
through
those?
You
know
the
scaled,
the
rebates
that
we've
talked.
You
know
the
scale
rebates
for
smaller
products.
We've
talked
about
the
down
payment
systems,
we've
talked
about,
so
I
think
yeah
looking.
I
think
some
of
those
items
specifically
then
go
in
hd
and
say:
do
you
want
this?
That
way,
we're
not
just
spinning
our
wheels
and
making
recommendations
that
don't
go
anywhere?
B
I
think
we'll
try
to
sync
up
to
see
if
they
want
those,
so
we're
not
spinning
wheels
again
and
the
I
think
on
the
the
so
the
penalty
portion.
So
there's
a
poll
I
see,
there's
a
there's,
a
link
that
was
added,
I
think,
a
month
or
so
ago
that
has
the
link
to
what
the
penalties
are
for
housing,
trust
fund
and
few
rebates.
Is
that
so
I
think
that
that's
helpful.
I
think
the
question
the
question
for
that
nikki
why
we
were
always
asking
over
the
years
is:
is
we?
B
Where
is
where
we
know,
there's
long-term
commitments
for
affordability
for
projects?
And
what
does
it
look
like?
What
are
what
is
an
example
of
a
project
that
doesn't
meet
those
standards
to
see
if
there
essentially
is
a
scaled
rebate
in
that
someone
could
say
well,
if
I'm
only
going
to
offer
this
for
10
years,
what
is
my
penalty
for
that?
That
was,
it
was
kind
of
to
help
us
understand
better.
B
When
we
talk
about
scale
like
projects
that
might
not
meet
full
commitments,
what
is
it,
what
does
it
look
like
if
they
don't,
because
if,
if
they
say
well,
we'll
get
no
credit,
we'll
get
50
credit
that
might
help
us
understand
for
some
of
these
projects
that
come
to
us
that
don't
want
to
or
feel
they're
not
able
to
offer
the
long-term
commitment
if
they're,
if
the
penalties
already
worked
in
the
show?
Well,
if
I
did
this
for
10
years,
this
is
what
this
would
be.
B
All
right
next
up
we'll
get
to,
I
guess
the
work
plan
section
so
I'll,
let
you
know
nikki
I'd,
love
to
love,
to
get
on
track
and
and
yeah
kind
of
put
together
a
plan
based
on
having
direction
that
these
are
the
things
that
we're
wanting.
That
folks
want
us
that
others
want
us
to
work
on.
So
we're
not
so
you
know
we
spend
our
time
efficiently.
Do
you
want
to
kind
of
share
your
thoughts
on
how
we
get
to
that.
L
Absolutely
absolutely,
and
so
what
was
helpful
for
me
was
to
take
a
look
at
the
committee
work
per
the
bylaws,
and
so
we've
developed
a
snapshot
here
that
we've
we've
put
together
staff
just
on
I'm
really
just
framing
again
what
the
committee
work
is
so
policy
issues
and
advising
city
leadership
about
those
policies.
L
Item
two
developing
concrete
action:
steps
to
implement
the
highest
priorities
of
the
affordable
housing
plan,
update
that
plan
as
appropriate
over
time
number.
Four:
advise
city
leadership
and
staff
regarding
affordable
housing,
priorities
for
the
investment
of
city,
controlled
funds
and
then
some
other
information
there.
Just
regarding
bylaws
of
other
important
things
to
remember
regarding
robert's
rules
of
order,
as
well
as
conflict
of
interest
information.
L
And
so
I
think
I
think
what
I
had
hoped
to
do,
because
you
know
in
thinking
again
about
how
this
relates
to
our
earlier
conversation
with
looking
at
a
joint
session
with
hcd
is,
is
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
work
with
a
smaller
subcommittee
so
that
we
can
formalize
really
what
I'm
thinking
of
as
a
work
plan
or
what
the
committee
might
think
of
as
a
work
plan.
L
And
perhaps
that's
a
good
tool
that
we
can
use
then
to
talk
to
hcd,
about
common
goals,
common
interests
and
really
common
timeline
for
how
we
want
to
see
things
progress,
and
so
I
was
thinking
that
we
would
that
if
the
committee
so
chooses
to
really
establish
kind
of
a
working
group
or
a
subcommittee
as
as
as,
however,
you
want
to
design
it
or
or
assign
it
to
one
of
these
task
force
that
you
already
have
here
in
existence
to
really
do
some
of
the
following,
and
we
put
this
in
in
the
document
as
well,
but
to
just
review
these
bylaws
identify
their
the
officers
and
their
responsibilities.
L
Even
thinking
earlier
about
some
of
the
conversations
we
had
about
a
secretary
and
those
those
responsibilities,
there
identified
our
latest
affordable
housing
plan.
I
know
our
comprehensive,
affordable
housing
strategies,
one
document
we
also
reference
it
through
council
strategic
goals,
so
just
really
compiling
the
guiding
documents
that
we
have
right
now
and
then
again,
because
number
three
is
updating.
The
plan
is
appropriate
over
time.
L
Perhaps
this
committee
could
deliberate
on
that
and
advise
as
to
whether
that
plan
needs
to
be
updated
and
then
that
alignment
of
the
work
plan
to
consider
policy
and
advice
through
written
recommendations.
Again,
you
know
I'm
hearing
it,
but
just
so
so
I
can
be
clear
on
on
what
that
means
and
how
this
committee
does
want
to
have
this
information
flow
up
through
hcd.
L
I
know
there's
been
items
on
this
agenda
about
seeing
projects
before
hcd
like
I
think,
some
of
that
we
can
really
get
into
in
a
smaller
working
group
and
then
have
that
working
group
report
out
to
this
committee
in
advance
of
then
that
joint
meeting
with
hcd
to
share
ideas
in
that
manner.
So
and
and
then.
Lastly,
our
last
action
item
with
this
subcommittee-
would
be
to
align
the
work
plan
to
update
that
affordable
housing
plan
as
as
appropriately
identified
through
this
working
group
session.
L
I
It
yeah
thanks
for
letting
me
jump
in
here
and
thanks
for
taking
a
look
at
this,
I
I
it's
really
helpful
to
me
to
go
back
and
look
at
sort
of
what
our
you
know,
what
our
charter
is
and
and
where
it
evolved.
It
helps
provide
some
of
that
clarity
that
it
felt
like
was
maybe
missing
earlier.
I
In
the
conversation
two
things
jump
to
mind
as
I
look
at
this
one
is
the
discrepancy
between
the
way
ahack
is
described
in
this
document
and
which
is
you
know
what
you
get
to
from
the
city's
boards
and
commissions
page
and
the
way
a
hack
is
described
on
the
cd
website
so
on
the
cd
website,
it
says:
ahack
provides
guidance
on
policies
and
procedures
to
preserve,
protect
and
produce,
affordable
housing.
So
there's
two
things
there
two,
I
said
had
three
fingers
up
two
things
there.
I
The
you
know
one
is
that
sort
of
policies
and
procedures,
although
the
language
is
the
same
around
policy
as
as
it
is
in
the
other
bibles,
it
really
policies
and
procedures
to
me
really
feels
like.
That's
you
know
this
committee
drilling
into
the
way
we
implement
the
city's
policies
around
affordable
housing
which
to
me
feels
like
staff
level
decision
making
right
I
mean
it's
really
not
about
you
know
it
feels
like
the
the
in
the
charter.
Our
our
role
was
really
around
sort
of
capital
p
policy.
I
What
is
the
city's,
affordable
housing
policy?
Not
what
are
the
individual
policy
tools
that
we
use
kind
of
lowercase
p
to
implement
that
work,
which
I
feel
like
we
have
kind
of
backed
ourselves
into
over
the
course
of
the
last
several
years.
Looking
at
luigi,
looking
at
down
payment
assistance,
looking
at
some
of
these
fee
rebates,
just
really
granular
things
and
honestly,
I
feel
like
that.
I
That
plays
to
the
strength
of
some
members
of
the
committee
who
have
technical
expertise
with
housing
development
or
with
with
you
know,
managing
you
know,
funding
streams
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
it
dis-incentivizes
the
perce,
the
participation
of
people
who
come
to
this
committee
with
lived
experience
with
affordable
housing
with
experience
with
you,
know,
property
management
with
those
kinds
of
things.
I
So
the
other
thing
that
I
notice
in
this
in
what's
on
the
the
cd
page,
is
preserve:
protect,
produce,
affordable
housing,
all
of
those
are
development,
side
activities
and,
of
course,
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
is
incredibly
important
but
accessing
affordable
housing,
sort
of
the
demand
side
picture,
tenant-based,
rental
assistance,
down
payment
assistance,
all
of
those
sorts
of
things
that
are
not
supply
related
are
still
affordable,
housing
strategies
and
affordable
housing
policy
priorities.
I
As
a
city
again,
I
feel
like
we've,
let
ourselves
get
pushed
into
this
space
where
we're
only
thinking
about
the
production
of
new,
affordable
housing
units
or
the
preservation
of
existing
affordable
housing
from
a
supply
side
standpoint.
So,
as
I
mean
when
I
look
at
this
charter
and
what's
kind
of
what's
out
there
guiding
our
decisions,
some
of
this
lack
of
clarity
comes
from
the
different
ways.
We've
described
our
work,
and
I
just
like
to
kind
of
highlight
those
things
and
and
and
zoom
out
on
them.
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to.
I
I
I'd
like
to
get
some
clarity
about.
Looking
at
that,
the
a
hack
charter
and
the
question
that
we've
had
about
you
know
a
hack's
relationship
with
hcd.
Obviously,
a
hack
came
out
of
this
a
really
comprehensive,
affordable
housing
planning
effort
that
the
city
did
in
2008
and
nikki
you.
You
know
you
noted
like
we
should
dig
out
like
what
is
the
affordable
housing
plan
that
we're
now
working
under
in
that
that
line
of
the
bylaws.
I
But
how
originally
was
that
was
the
relationship
between
that
affordable
housing
plan,
the
work
of
a
hack,
the
work
of
that
kind
of
blue
ribbon.
Commission
that
put
that
plan
together.
How
did
they
work
with
council
and
with
subcommittees
of
council.
L
B
Yeah,
no,
I
I
think
it's
you
know,
you
know,
I
think
you're
you're
right
andy,
it's
like
there's
different
as
there's
the
policy
and
the
production
and
they're
very
connected,
and
I
think
that's
where,
when
we
you
know
over
the
years
like
as
we
that's
when
we
you
know,
when
we
split
almost
like
created
our
task
forces,
it
was
one
it
was
taking
the
specialties
of
each
of
the
different
members
and
being
able
to
focus
on
what
they're
good
at
to
do
to
do
the
work
and
then
come
together
at
the
meetings
for
it.
B
You
know
that
yeah,
where
your
connect
really
is
kind
of
that
policy
and
the
connecting
you
know
where
it
is
that
direction,
and
then
the
production
you
know
supports
the
production,
how
to
do
it
and
what
are
the
barriers
for
it?
You
know
come
up
with
their
own
policy
adjustments
for
how
to
make
that
happen.
So
they
do
work.
You
know,
hand
in
hand,
and
you
know
I
I
think
the
you
know.
B
I
think
if
I
had
to
you
know-
maybe
I
don't
know
if
the
connect
was
always
the
best
word,
but
it's
hard
coming
up
with
what
that
word
is.
Maybe
it
is
policy
but
essentially
like
when
nikki
was
telling
me
about
the
idea
of
the
community,
I'm
like
well,
that's
essentially
what
we
created
this
connect
task
force.
It's
like
a
lot
of
that
was
in
you
know
supposed
to
be
in
some
of
that
focus,
but
I
think
maybe
we
can
kind
of.
B
I
think
the
question
is:
do
we
need
a
third
one,
or
do
we
kind
of
align
the
mission
of
the
connect
to
be
in
with
what
your
you
know,
what
you're
asking
for
which
it
which
really
you
know
it
connects
there's
really
this
little.
What's
this
all
connects
back,
there's
a
connect
word
again.
What
this
all
connects
back
to
is
like
yeah,
basically
we're
supposed
to
develop
concrete
action,
steps
to
implement
an
affordable
housing
plan
and
the
housing
plan
is
last
updated
in
2008.
Is
that
right
or
when's?
B
L
Right,
that's
something
that
I
want
that.
I
want
to
work
with
the
subcommittee
on,
because
we
have.
We
have
different
things
right.
We
have
the
comprehensive,
affordable,
housing
strategy,
so
yeah.
I
I
think
agreeing
on
what
our
what
our
plan
was
and
when
it
was
last
updated,
I
think,
is
something
that
was
a
level
set
for
me.
Thanks
yeah.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
a
very
helpful
first
step
is
like
okay,
what
what
is
our
current
plan-
and
I
think
really
it
does
take-
I
mean
as
much
as
we
want
to
talk
about
pulling
it
off.
I
think
you
know,
I
think,
there's
we
do
need
the
clarity
from
direction
from
that
is
also
that
that
housing
plan
aligns
with
what
council
is
wanting
and
what
hcd
is
wanting,
because
or
you
know
it's
almost
like-
we
need
that.
B
We
need
that
top
level
connection
first
before
we
can
do
anything
or
else
we're
all
going
to
get
in
the
same
frustrating
we're
spinning
our
wheels
again.
So
I
I
think
you
know
asking
for
you
know
updating
what
the
housing
plan
is.
It's
and
working
with
hcd
working
with
council
having
you
know
a
true,
affordable
housing
discussion,
so
we
can
update
this
stuff.
So
we
all
know
what
to
what
concrete
action
steps
to
work
towards
you
know.
So
you
know
you
know,
because
that
is
so
been
so
fuzzy.
B
That's
why
we're
basically
spinning
and
coming
up
with
you
know
coming
up
with
new
ones
like
well.
This
is
the
you
know.
Definitely
production
is
an
issue
and
definitely
like
policy
is
an
issue
but
the
pop,
but
it's
almost
easier
for
us.
It's
been
easier
to
kind
of
focus
on
the
production,
because
that's
that's
definitely
needed.
The
policy
is
like
it
connects
to
do
that.
B
It
connects
with
so
many
other
people,
so
you
know,
and
the
policies
that
we
have
been
involved
in
you
know
just
been
kind
of
stall
if
they're,
not
if
they
don't
align
with
what
council's
wanting.
So
you
know,
I
think
that
you
know
this
conversation
connecting
with
hdd
is
really
you
know
again
really
important,
and
then
you
know
just
so.
You
all
are
aware.
You
know
I
was
in
a
meeting
last
night.
Margie
was
too,
you
know,
there's
a
whole
new
proposal
going
around
and
I
almost
want
to
see
where
this
all
goes.
B
I
mean
they're
talking
about
merging.
You
know
there's
discussion
about
merging
all
of
city
boards
and
commissions,
and
and
that
would-
and
I
don't
and
again
you
know
sometimes
when
we're
presented
with
these
discuss.
You
know
these
focus
group
discussions.
I
don't
know
how
far
down
the
discussion
has
gone
before
it's
shared
with
us,
but
but
there's
definitely
gonna.
B
You
know,
there's
some
big
discussion
about
totally
changing
the
structure
of
boards
and
committees
and
part
of
that
is
connected
to
you
know
the
the
limited
staff,
resources
and
parts
for
how
to
be
more
strategic
and
what
these
committees
do.
But
you
know
it's
hard
to
be
strategic
when
we
don't
have
clear
guidance
and
so
there's
it's
kind
of
a
you
know,
I
shared
it
in
the
meeting.
There's.
B
Definitely
a
holistic
need,
for
you
know
not
just
with
boards
and
committees,
but
boards
and
committees
and
commissions
and
staff,
man
and
city
management,
to
staff
that
it's
all
clear.
You
know
that
we
look
at
that
all
as
a
whole,
because
you
can't
just
change
one
piece,
but
I
I
don't
know
where
that's
gonna
go,
but
it's
it's
it's.
Definitely
this
it's
a
new
discussion
and
I
don't
know
you
know
it
was
a
meeting.
I
was
in
last
night
for
two
hours
and
I
don't
know
the
next.
B
I
don't
know
the
next
step
yet,
but-
and
I
don't-
and
I
don't-
you
know-
want
to
get
bogged
down
in
this
discussion
because
we
don't
know
yet
there's
so
much.
We
don't
know
but
in
it,
and
I
think
we
need
to
see
where
that
goes
also
before
we
before.
We
also
put
too
much
more
of
our
volunteer
time
in
because
you
know
if
the.
If
the
talk
is
getting
away
with
it,
then
you
know,
then
I
don't
know
how
much
time
we
need
to
focus
on
it.
So
I
think
we
need.
B
I
think
we
definitely
need
this
clarity
from
hcd
and
then
we
just
need.
We
need
some
clarity
from
the
city
in
general
like
well.
If
you're
merging
boards
and
communities
together,
then
then
yeah
we
don't
want
to
start
be
starting
new
stuff
up.
So
I
don't
know,
I
think,
there's
a
lot.
It's
a
very
fuzzy
time
and
I
need
some
clear
vision.
B
G
Antoinette
well,
she
was
on
here,
so
I
was
gonna.
Ask
her.
You
know
her
opinion
on
this.
Okay,
I
was
just
hoping.
Could
you
do
you
know
anything
about
the
the
this
newer
thought
process
in
combining
or
the
new
boards
and
commissions?
Can
you
help
share
any?
Do
you
have
any
interest
that
we
don't
have?
G
E
This
is
an
initiative
I
believe
that
was
begun
as
far
as
the
investigative
stage
before
this
iteration
of
council
took
place.
So
I
believe
that
boards
in
commission
was
considering
it.
It
has
been
working
on
this
really
for
you
might
know
better
than
I
nikki
over
a
year.
My
understanding
that
the
goal
is
not
to
disband
this
particular
committee.
The
goal
is
to
make
it
a
smoother
process,
so
that
issues
that
are
raised
here
actually
get
heard
more
easily
from
the
full
body.
E
So
it's
it's
from
what
I
understand
and
again
we
haven't
been
totally
given
all
the
information
about
how
it's
going
to
look.
So
again,
it's
still
in
the
preliminary
stages,
but
it's
actually
a
way
of
streamlining
and
allowing
staff
to
become
more
effective
in
its
work.
So
do
not
think
that
there
is
talk
about
disbanding
or
doing
away
with
ahead.
At
least
my
understanding
at
this
point
was
that
helpful.
B
Okay,
thanks
yeah.
What
are
your
I
mean
just
because
that
you
will
we'll
reach
out
on
this?
You
know
councilman
mosley,
but
that,
like
the
the
thought
of,
I
mean
th,
this
hcd
a
hack
meeting.
Is
that
something
you
think
that
he
will
have
the
appetite
and
do
you
feel
that's
a
good
idea.
E
B
So
I
just
need
to
keep
moving
so
as
far
as
I
mean,
I
really,
I
think
the
idea
of
the
task
force
is
is
important.
I
think
whether
you
know
nikki,
I
think
whether
it
merges
in
with
the
what
is
the
connect
or
whether
we
look
at
creating
something
new.
I
I
think
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
something
we
need
we
need
to
explore,
but
I
think
also
we.
B
We
should
get
clarity
from
hed,
so
we
can
create
this
task
force
with
having
some
idea
of
what's
being
looked
for,
rather
than
just
creating
a
task
force
that
doesn't
have
a
clear
goal
or
conflicting.
You
know
like
what
we're
saying
what
it's
in
our
bylaws
is
different
than
what's
on
the
web
page,
which
which
is
different
than
you
know,
maybe
some
of
our
actions.
So
I
think
I
think
some
alignment
on
that
will
really
help.
B
So
I
think
I
think,
let's,
let's
look
towards
getting
that
meeting
together
and
let's
look
at
like
keeping
that
putting
that
agenda
together.
So
we
can
have
a
clear
discussion
about
about
what
guidance
we're
looking
for
and
see
if
it's
the
same
kind
of
guidance
that
and
where
it
aligns
with
what
they
want.
So
I
think
I
think
that
that's
a
really
important
next
step
does.
L
I
think
it
all
makes
sense
because
absolutely
like,
when
I
was
initially
thinking
about
this
work
plan
idea
like
yes,
how
how
does
hc
htd
buy
into
that
work
plan
and
or
agree.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
all
all
connected,
so
I
I
think
it
sounds
like
we're
headed
in
the
right
direction,
so
appreciate
it
would.
B
Y'all
can
just
decide
this
yourself,
but
I
was
one
thing
I
was
thinking
if,
if
when
maybe
one
of
the
con,
like
the
connect
grip,
if
you
want
to
if
nicki
or
someone
from
staff
wants
to,
if
you
would
like
them
to
sit
on
a
meeting
just
to
see
if
that
would
help
to
see
how
it
operates
and
functions
and
if
you
know
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you
to
work
out
by
yourselves,
but
that
you
know
might
be
might
be
a
valid
thing.
B
You
know
valid
thing:
we
we
generally
get
our
bill
meetings,
we're
generally
inviting
not
it's
not
usually
from
community
development
staff,
but
we're
generally
inviting
a
different
city
staff
or
department
head
who's
coming
to
some
of
our
meetings
as
we're
asking
guidance
and
questions
so
I'll.
Let
you
you
you'll,
decide
and
talk
offline
on
that.
B
The
next
step.
I
am,
I
guess,
bond
housing,
trust
fund
policy.
Will
you
know,
that's
we'll
talk
about
that
later,
we'll
see
what
comes
up
you
know
from
these
next
meetings
and
same
thing
when
I
look
at
the
next
item
on
the
agendas,
the
informal
discussion
future
agenda
pretty
much
all
of
those
are
based
on
policy
discussions
that,
if
when,
if,
if
we
can
align
what
our
clear
direction
is,
I
think
it'd
be
really
easier
to
have
these
conversations.
B
So
I
look
forward
to
seeing
if
we
can
make
this
happen
and
we'll
report
back
and
see
what
we
can
schedule
which
moves
towards
this
item
of
innovations
in
affordable
housing,
which
I
really
wanted
to
kind
of
bring
this
conversation
in
a
little
bit.
Just
to
kind
of
this
is
you
know
the
section
is
something
we
put
on
to
talk
about
new
ideas
for
how
whether
you
know
again.
B
In
the
past
we've
talked
about
3d
printing
we've
talked
about
some
other
things
around
the
country
happening
and
going
back
as
old
school
as
you
can
get.
You
know.
If
I
just
look
at
the
data
of
reports,
which
is
what
you
know,
I
kind
of
shared
in
this
meeting,
I
shared
and
had
them
up,
you
know
emailed
to
you
before
the
meeting
had
uploaded
is
where
there
was
zero.
B
You
know
there's
zero
or
one
house
in
the
city
of
asheville
less
than
275
thousand
dollars.
Currently,
the
report
that
I
that
that
rides
along
with
is
a
report
of
current
listed
less
than
275
000
in
the
county
of
in
buncombe
county
and
there's
22
listings,
and
then
you
know
and
that's
a
mix
of
you
know
mobiles
and
manufactured
homes
and
single-family
homes
and
condos.
But
it's
there's
more
there's
definitely
more
out
there.
It's
not
a
lot,
but
it's
more
out
there.
B
So
that
prompted
in
my
mind,
like
knowing
one
of
the
biggest
zoning
differences
between
buncombe
county
and
the
city,
is
that
buncombe
county
allows
manufactured
homes
and
that
where
it's
a
very
you
know
controversial
topic,
there's
no
question
that
the
what
the
quality
and
appearance
of
manufactured
homes
has
changed
over
the
years
from
what
we
in
our
mind,
might
typically
think.
As
a
manufacturer
home,
which
you
know,
there's
a
blurry
dis
difference,
there's
a
blurry,
it's
very
blurry.
Now
what
is
the
difference
between
a
tiny
house
on
wheels
and
a
manufactured
home?
B
What
is
the
difference
between
you
know?
I
mean
a
modular
and
a
manufacturer
is
more
clear
one's
on
foundation.
One's
not,
but
you
know
the
idea
of
tiny
homes
versus
manufactured
homes.
There
isn't
much
of
a
difference
ones,
I
mean
a
tiny
home.
A
lot
of
them
are
licensed,
rv
park
models
and
other
cities
are
allowing
them
to
be
used.
B
Where
you
know,
that's
something
we
might
talk
about
a
different
time,
but
but
it
is,
you
know,
I
think
was
raleigh
or
durham
has
now
allowed
tiny
houses
on
wheels
to
be
used
for
you
know,
for
for
housing,
but
so
so,
with
this
discussion
came
up
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
because
it
is
it's
a
big
discussion,
but
I
you
know
looking
at
the
data
I
ran
and
that's
the
next
report.
It
shows
over
the
past
300.
You
know
the
past
year
total
closings
of
everything
less
than
275
000
less.
B
That
was
not
a
condo
in
the
in
asheville
city
limits,
there
was
185
total
closings
of
single-family
homes,
less
than
275
thousand
dollars
and
of
those
185.
Two
of
them
were
manufactured
homes
that
were,
you
know
previously
allowed
by
zoning.
B
In
the
county
there
was
469,
closings,
153
of
them
were
manufactured
and
that
sets
32
of
all
closings
less
than
275
were
manufactured
homes.
The
city
of
asheville
that
you
know,
obviously,
is
one
percent,
so
total
bunker.
Overall,
the
numbers
show
there's
6454,
total
closings
155
manufactured
homes,
23
of
them.
So
the
question
is
like
do:
do
we
explore
recommending
to
allow
manufactured
homes
in
the
city
of
asheville,
or
do
we
or
is
there
mechanisms
that
allow
it
to
be
an
emergency
like
standard?
B
You
know,
I
don't
know,
and
you
know
I
think
those
are
some
of
the
questions
I
want
to
hear
from
the
group.
If
there's
appetite
for
that,
I
did
check
in
with
you
know.
Obviously,
with
you
know
the
building
world
now
materials
being
you
know
crazy,
it
takes
18
weeks
to
get
a
window.
Now
the
manufacturer
to
home
world
is
chain
is
difficult
as
well.
B
So
I,
when
I
called
around
to
some
of
the
manufactured
home
dealers,
it
literally
if
you
ordered
one
now,
it
would
be
six
to
seven
months
until
one
would
come
in
because
the
factories
are
all
backed
up
and
but
it
would
be
almost
a
year
or
more
to
build
a
house
now.
So
knowing
that
there's
a
I
mean,
there's
a
need
now
like
we
have
zero
homes.
B
So
is
this:
is
this
something
we
wanted
explorers
is
something
we
not
want
to
explore
and
I
guess
that's
that's
the
question
to
the
committee:
it's
not
whether
we,
you
know
we
make
any
recommendations
now,
because
I
think
this
would.
I
think
the
next
step
is.
If
we
want
to
explore
it,
then
we
would
kind
of
invite
planners
and
and
and
the
legal
question
is
there-
is
there
a
way
to
do
this
as
an
emergency
measure?
Andy.
I
So
when
you
put
this
on
barry,
I
went
back
and
looked
at
a
a
proposal
that
I
put
together
for
this
committee
back
in
january
of
2020,
and
you
know,
because
of
2020.
I
can
understand
why
it
didn't
go
anywhere,
but
I
thought
I
would
resurrect
it
here
with
this
discussion,
and
that
is
that
we
have
an
internal
policy
in
how
we
apply
the
city's
cdbg
funds
for
home
repair
that
excludes
manufactured
homes,
and
this
is
an
internal
policy.
I
It's
a
it's
a
it's
a
local
interpretation
of
hud's
guidelines,
so
hud
says
that
cdbg
funds
for
rehabilitation
and
repair
have
to
be
used
on
on
properties
that
are
part
of
the
permanent
housing
stock,
and
we
have,
in
our
internal
cdbg
manual,
have
interpreted
that
as
they
are
homes
that
are
not
on
a
permanent
foundation
are
not
eligible
for
cdbg
funds.
So
there's
that
disconnect
between
is
it
a
part
of
the
permanent
housing
stock
or
is
it
permanently
attached
to
a
foundation?
I
That's
an
easy
fix
in
you
know,
with
an
internal
policy
change
and
again
I
was
just
advocating
for
the
committee
to
not
be
down
in
the
weeds
on
policy
level
stuff.
But
now,
I'm
you
know
switching
gears
and
saying,
like
here's
a
place
where
we
can.
Actually
we
can
actually
do
something.
That's
that
that
helps
with
the
you
know
the
stigma
about
manufactured
housing.
Largely,
is
that
it's!
I
You
know
it's
lower
quality
housing
stock,
much
of
it's
in
deteriorating
conditions,
but
we
are
effectively
removing
one
of
the
tools
that
would
allow
us
to
deal
with
that
situation.
Allow
people
to
make
investments
into
repairing
and
maintaining
the
older
manufactured
housing
stock,
and
we
have
right
now
so
15
of
buncombe
county's
housing
stock
is
manufactured.
Housing
40
manufactured
home
parks
exist
within
the
city
of
asheville,
like
the.
I
We
could
make
a
significant
investment
by
allowing
our
existing
cdbg
funds
to
be
used
to
to
make
sure
that
you
know
whether
we,
whether
we
like
of
manufactured
homes,
whether
we
want
to
see
more
of
them,
whether
we
don't
like
them,
they're
a
part
of
our
housing
stock,
they're,
providing
housing
for
people
who
have
very
few
other
options
and
we're
restricting
public
resources
that
could
otherwise
go
toward
making
them
healthy
and
livable
until
we
can
come
up
with
an
alternative
supply
of
housing
if
we
so
choose
or
allow
them
to
to
continue
to
exist.
I
A
D
Yeah,
I
appreciate
barry
and
just
bringing
up
the
the
question
on
manufactured
housing
generally
regulations
around
manufactured
housing
are
just
classically,
classist
and
exclusionary,
and
looking
at
the
city's
unified
development
ordinance,
I
just
quickly
put
in
the
chat
three
different
sections
that
highlight
overlay
districts
for
them
and
one
very
quick,
basic
question
I
would
have
in
looking
at
the
udo,
which
is
in
some
places
very
old
and
convoluted,
is
how
does
this?
D
How
is
this
congruent
with
state
law?
You
know
if,
if
there
are
sections
of
the
udo
that
are
not
congruent
with
the
state
law
regarding
manufactured
housing,
or
you
know
effectively
regulating
something
to
the
point
of
not
being
allowed
to
be
built,
those
are
questions
I
have
as
a
professional
planner
down
in
the
weeds
of
zoning
and
what
you
can
build
when
and
where.
So
I
think
it's
a
worthwhile
exploration
and
discussion.
J
Yeah,
I
just
I
want
to
say
very
briefly.
You
know
I
I
think
that
to
not
explore
bringing
in
the
most
affordable
housing
options
at
this
time
in
asheville
is
inexcusable.
You're.
Talking
about
you
know,
forming
a
committee
to
kind
of
look
at
the
issue
and
I
think
that's
probably
a
good
first
step,
because
no
one
can
deny
that
the
complicated
politics-
and
you
know
the
many
factors
what
would
happen
if
asphalt
did
allow
them.
How
much
would
it
change
things?
J
Those
are
things
that
we
can
look
at,
but
yeah
other
places
are
doing
this.
These
things
are
the
technology
is
making
them
different,
and
when
you,
when
you
talk
about
just
that,
anecdote
that
you
brought
up
where
there's
zero
zero
to
not
explore
this
option
that
could
drastically
change
things.
If
you
know,
as
it
has
in
some
places,
I
think
it
would
be
very
responsible
for
us
to
not
least
take
that
step.
K
Yeah
just
to
to
weigh
in
you
know
not
allowing
funds
for
repairs
on
existing
manufactured
housing.
We
should
definitely
I
mean
that
that's
like
kicking
people,
while
they're
down
right
like
so
so
you
know,
I'm
definitely
for
that.
Also,
I
think
you
know
the
conversation
around
manufactured
housing
kind
of
in
a
way
really
shows
like
how
bad
things
have
gotten
right
because,
like
this
is
not
something
we
would
probably
really
be
talking
about.
If
it
wasn't
like
us
just
really
looking
for
some
solution
to
help
some
people,
I
think
you
know
my
view.
K
Probably
many
people's
view
when
you,
when
we
talk
about
manufactured
housing,
is
like
the
1970s
single-wide
trailer,
maybe
a
park
of
them.
You
know,
and
I
think
we
should
certainly
discuss
the
whole.
You
know
the
whole
of
manufactured
housing,
but
also
you
know,
there's
some
disruptive
technology
it
like
on
the
horizon.
K
That
is
going
to
probably
fall
in
this
category
of
manufactured
housing,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
what
it
has
been.
It's
it's
very
different
and
let's
try
to
not
get
behind
on
this
too
right
so
yeah.
I
love
the
idea
of
opening
this
conversation
and
and
yeah
making
the
most
of
this
awesome.
These
technologies
that
are
coming
out,
you
know,
boxable,
comes
to
mind.
K
If
you
want
to
google
the
company
boxable,
they
are
delivering
units
and
it's
a
50,
000
house
right
so
like
this
is
these
are
some
solutions
that
that
we
should
be
as
wayne
gretzky
would
say
you
know
skate
to
where
the
puck
is
going.
So
let's
do
some
of
that,
and
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity.
B
Let's
here's
how
you
know
with
our
action
focus.
What
I
would
recommend
is
us
setting
like
adding
to
the
you
know
having
a
future
agenda
item
where
we
bring
in
planning
and
have
a
discussion
just
about
manufactured
homes
and
other
like
so
we
can
look
at
the
have
a
planning
and
zoning
discussion
where
we
bring
them
in
regard.
You
know
about
all
of
the
different
issues.
You
know
the
different
like
there's
manufactured
homes,
there's
there's
tiny
homes.
There's
park
models
about
all
the
things
that
basically,
how
does
zoning
restrict
housing?
B
I
think
that's,
probably
the
that
would
be
the
topic
that
we
want
to
discuss.
How
does
does
does
the
udo
and
zoning
restrict
housing
options
and
can
we
we
like?
I
think
we
should
explore
that
conversation
and
bring
in
planning
and
zoning
and
dsd
for
that
conversation,
and
so
I
I'd
say:
let's
I
would
recommend
we.
We
have
an
item
where
we
bring
where
we
bring
planning
and
zoning
and
dsd
in
to
discuss
how
the
udo
holds
back
future.
You
know
housing
options,
it
could
be
affordable,
housing
options.
B
M
D
B
C
Paul
you
voted
margie
hi
brian
hi,
joe.
M
A
B
I
think
next
up
I'd,
you
know
this.
The
events
I
haven't
heard
anything
more
with
that
I'll
get
an
update
from
him.
I
know
it
was
put
kind
of
paused
on
koben.
I
have
been
in
some
conversation
with
matt
at
the
end
of
last
year.
The
lobster-
but
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
a
movement
on
it
I'll
try
to
find
out
for
next
meeting
public
comment.
Do
we
have
any?
A
Hey
barry,
this
is
christina
harris.
I
am
checking
that
now.
A
B
appreciate
the
conversations
and
I
look
forward
to
you,
know
us
having
a
good
year
with
more
clarity
and
helping
helping
to
have
helping
to
leave
our
city
with
more
than
one,
with
more
than
one
option
of
less
than
275
000.
Take
care.