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From YouTube: Historic Resources Commission – February 8, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Historic Resources Commission.
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A
C
B
The
ones
good
afternoon,
everybody
I'm
Emily
kite
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
historic
Resources,
Commission
commission
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
February,
8th,
2023
historic
Resources
Commission
meeting.
The
HRC
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
North
Carolina,
General
statutes,
the
city
of
Asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
Buncombe
County
ordinance.
B
We
are
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
alterations,
demolitions,
new
construction
and
other
work
within
historic
districts,
for
the
alteration
and
demolition
of
historic
landmarks
and
other
duties,
including
preliminary
review
of
subdivisions
as
specified
in
the
ordinances
for
the
HRC
I.
Will
now
ask
commission
members
and
staff
to
introduce
themselves
before
I
do
that
we've
got
a
couple
of
new
Commissioners
this
month.
We've
had
some
new
additions
here,
a
lot
lately,
so
we
have
a
full
commission
which
is
kind
of
exciting.
Through
the
pandemic.
B
It
was
a
little
bit
of
a
struggle,
so
I'm
going
to
welcome
Leslie,
Carey
and
Xander
Ellen
Bowden
Bogan.
Thank
you
to
the
commission.
So
we'll
go
one
at
a
time
and
just
if
you
wouldn't
mind
Commissioners,
introducing
yourselves
and
telling
the
group
a
little
bit
about
what
makes
you
a
good
fit
for
the
historic
Resources
Commission.
C
C
D
E
So
I
have
a
little
strong
background
in
local
design,
review
and
preservation
planning,
hi,
I'm,
Leslie
Carey
I
am
a
new
commissioner
as
of
tonight
and
worked
and
I
have
a
master's
degree
in
historic
preservation,
worked
at
historic,
Savannah
foundation
for
a
while
and
then
the
National
Trust
for
Stewart
preservation,
but
have
been
out
of
the
game
for
a
long
time.
So
I'm
happy
to
be
back
in
this
world
again
and
be
a
part
of
this.
F
H
I'm
Maria,
deisasi
and
fairly
new
the
Asheville
area,
but
I
worked
for
a
large
Museum
and
research
organization
in
Washington
DC
for
the
last
half
of
my
career,
maybe
almost
20
years,
and
many
of
our
projects
were
reviewed
by
local,
historic
and
other
agencies,
so
very
familiar
with
the
with
the
whole
process
and
very
happy
to
be
here
and
be
able
to
help
out
in
this
capacity.
In
my
new
city.
J
I'm
Alexander
Hamilton
I'm,
also
new,
but
I
am
an
architect.
I
have
Bachelor's
of
science
from
Abby
and
building
science
and
planning
and
the
actually
and
professionally
I'm
interested
in
historic
preservation
and
on
a
personal
note,
owned
a
historical
house
and
renovated
it
so
I'm
also
interested.
K
A
B
Begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
listed
on
the
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
HRC
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
HRC
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
HRC
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
HRC
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
B
B
Following
is
the
rules
for
speaking.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
and
testimony
regarding
the
proposal.
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
District
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion.
Witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony
today.
B
D
M
Thank
you,
chair
kite
and
members
of
the
commission,
so
I
think
I've
had
new
commissioner
orientations
with
the
folks
that
are
new
here
today
and
kind
of
clarified
a
little
bit
on
this,
but
just
to
go
back
and
explain.
The
major
work
for
the
application
packet
for
this
property
included.
Also,
some
site
work
and
work
to
the
attic
that
was
approved
at
the
last
meeting.
And
then
this
remaining
part
of
the
work
was
severed
into
a
new
application
so
that
they
could
go
ahead
and
get
approval
for
the
the
previous
skip
of
work.
M
So
we're
just
going
to
be
talking
through
the
features
that
aren't
related
to
the
site
in
the
Attic
today.
So,
but
it
is
still
quite
a
lot
to
get
through
and.
M
A
new
application
and
we've
got
new
folks.
We
obviously
have
to
talk
about
all
the
different
pieces
again
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
it.
Just
like
I
did
last
last
time
around
so
just
some
context.
I
know,
most
of
you
were
able
to
come,
join
us
for
the
site
visit,
which
was
great
and
hopefully
very
helpful
to
all
of
you,
but
this
is
just
a
context.
Photograph
and
I
think
the
way
that
I
did
it
last
time
to
make
it
most
helpful
was
to
go
floor
by
floor.
M
That's
how
it
drafted
the
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
request,
so
you'll
see
on
the
bottom
of
this
slide
is
the
basement
level
changes.
Staff
did
not
note
any
concerns
regarding
to
the
work
proposed
on
those
floors.
I
know
a
couple,
or
at
least
one
commissioner
reached
out
to
me
about
the
demo
that
had
already
occurred,
and
that
was
just
a
clarify,
approved
under
minor
work
review
was
the
previously
approved
by
staff
for
them
to
to
start
on
the
demo
work
down
there.
M
Well,
but
I'm,
not
noting
any
any
concerns
about
that,
they
need
the
they
need
to
convert
one
window
opening
to
an
egress
window,
and
obviously
none
of
that
is
really
visible
from
anywhere
so
I'm,
not
noting
any
change
any
concerns
there
and
then
in
the
upper
part
of
the
side,
is
the
first
level
I
think
where,
certainly
where
we
spent
a
lot
of
the
discussion
last
time
were
changes
to
some
of
the
doorway
openings
within
the
interior.
M
On
the
first
floor,
a
replacement
of
all
the
original
light
fixtures,
not
all
of
the
original
light
fixtures
are
present,
but
there
are
a
number
of
them
that
are
there.
Some
of
them
are
missing
parts
Etc,
but
they
are
there
and
included
in
your
packet
this
time
around
where
the
the
company
drawings,
if
you
will
from
the
for
the
for
the
light
fixtures
so
that
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
cool
to
see
those
I'd
never
seen
those
before
so
those
are
in
the
updated
packet.
M
So
the
other
thing
that's
being
proposed
on
the
first
floor
interior
is
the
removal
of
all
the
radiators,
as
well
as
there's
the
doorway
between
the
kitchen
as
supposed
to
be
changed
to
an
arch
doorway.
The
doorway
to
the
little
Powder
Room
on
the
within
the
hallway
side
is
supposed
to
be
enclosed
and
then
a
new
opening
to
between
the
The,
Powder,
Room
and
the
kitchen
would
be
constructed
and
then
there's
also
a
shift
in
the
doorway
that
is
towards
the
back
of
the
house
between
the
kitchen
and
the
dining
room.
M
M
The
kitchen
is
sort
of
interesting
it's.
It
does
have
some
original
cabbage
Cabinetry
that
we
we
talked
through
sorry
I'm,
like
I'll,
go
back
and
forth.
Here's
some
representative
photos
of
the
light
fixtures
for
those
who
weren't
able
to
see
them
in
person
they
were
included.
There
were
some
included
in
the
original
packet,
but
I
think
these
are
a
little
bit
better
photos.
M
M
If
this
the
commission
would
support
this,
but
if
they
can
retain
and
preserve
the
cabinets,
but
if
they,
you
know,
can't
don't
want
to
use
them
in
this
space
at
this
time
that
they'd
be
stored
on
site
like
in
the
basement
or
somewhere
elsewhere,
that
the
commission
has
been
okay
with
that
with
things
like
exterior
windows
on
rear
elevations
when
they've
been
removed
in
the
past,
but
this
is
obviously
a
little
bit
of
a
different
bird
since
we're
talking
about
an
interior
feature
that
was
specifically
designed
for
the
space
they
aren't
in
their
original
locations.
M
It's
I
think
an
important
now,
the
rest
of
the
kitchen
has
been
pretty
heavily
altered,
as
you
can
probably
see
from
the
photos
and
from
making
the
site
visit.
M
M
It
was
flagstone
and
there's
a
different
stone
that
was
just
submitted
today
that
was
included
in
your
packet
or
it's
in
your
packet
now
that
for
you
to
look
at,
but
it's
also
Stone
and
I
am
noting
that
as
a
concern,
because
on
the
original
plans,
it's
noted
as
being
oak
flooring,
so
I
think
if
we're
going
by
what
the
original
intent
was
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
support
stone
flooring
for
the
kitchen.
But
that's
obviously
something
we'll
need
to
talk
through
today.
M
In
further
detail,
we
didn't
I
think
we
we
talked
about
all
the
exterior
changes
last
time
around,
but
there
weren't
any.
There
wasn't
anything
that
stood
out
to
me,
but
I'll
just
go
through
really
quickly
and
explain
what
the
what
the
proposed
scope
of
exterior
hopefully
I,
have
that
on
here,
somewhere,
probably
in
the
later
slide.
M
So
these
are
the
these.
Are
the
demo
elevations
so
front
elevation
the
the
existing
Terrace
is
pretty
damaged
from
water
intrusion
so
that
that
will
be
rebuilt,
but
all
the
as
much
existing
brick
will
be
reused
as
possible
and
then
the
the
the
blue
stone.
That's
there
they're
proposing
to
replace
with
new
flagstone,
that's
more
gray
in
color,
which
was
also
added
to
your
packet.
Today.
M
The
elevation
on
the
top
right
is
the
west
elevation
and
that's
you're
kind
of
looking
within
the
courtyard
of
the
house
and
the
the
window
that's
outlined
in
red
on
the
bottom
right
of
the
first
floor,
elevation
is
proposed
to
be
converted
to
a
door,
an
arch
store,
opening
or
a
door
opening.
Sorry
that
has
like
the
little
it'll
retain
the
little
Arch
detail
about
the
door,
like
the
other
windows
do
and
then
moving
around
to
the
back
elevation,
which
is
the
lower
left.
M
There
is
a
set
of
Ridge
or
sorry
of
non-original
double
doors
there
that
won't
be
restored
back
to
the
original
window
configuration
and
then
on
the
first
floor.
To
the
right
of
that,
set
of
double
doors
is
a
is
like
a
little
recessed
entryway
and
that
door
they're
proposing
to
replace
with
a
window
and
then
the
second
story
door
that
opens
out
onto
the
little
balcony
up.
M
There
is
proposed
for
replacement
also,
and
it's
a
pretty
bad
disrepair
and
there's
a
there's,
a
statement
about
the
doors
in
the
packet
from
Michael
Logan
who's,
a
local
restoration
specialist
that
speaks
to
the
the
conditions
of
the
doors
and
then
the
East
Elevation
on
the
bottom
right
there
wasn't.
M
There
was
a
window
opening
where
that
door
opening
is
showed
to
be
demoed
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
side
that
was
converted
to
a
door
opening
at
some
time
in
the
past
and
they're
just
proposing
to
replace
that
door
and
the
stoop
outside
of
it.
So
any
questions
on.
M
A
K
M
N
M
All
right,
so
this
is
the
second
story
floor
plans
and
again
all
the
radiators,
which
are
the
red
marks
with
inside
walls
that
are
showed
up
for
removal
and
they
are
proposing
to
modify
the
so
the
spiral.
Staircase
is
obviously
not
original
to
the
house
they're
proposing
to
remove
that
and
and
build
a
new
stair
up
to
the
Attic,
and
in
order
to
make
that
stair
configuration
work.
M
Also,
you
can
clearly
see
they're
proposing
to
remove
the
walls
and
closets
between
the
the
two
secondary
bedrooms,
and
then
there
will
be
that
the
opening
going
into
those
bedrooms
or
that
bedroom
will
be
converted
into
an
arched
opening
coming
off
of
that
Second
Story
Landing
and
then
there's
also
an
arch
opening
proposed
to
go
into
the
master
bedroom
at
the
beginning
of
its
own
little
hallway
there,
and
then
that,
obviously,
that
third
secondary
bedroom
will
get
converted
into
a
bathroom
and
there's
a
there's,
an
like
pretty
interesting
little
closet.
M
M
There
was
some
discussion
last
time
about
the
configuration
of
the
spaces
on
this
floor
and
whether
or
not
I
don't
think
the
commission
didn't
arrive
in
a
space
where
there
was
consensus
around
what
was
most
appropriate
treatment
for
reconfiguring
some
of
the
spaces
in
this
on
this
floor.
So
not
necessarily
noting
concerns,
but
just
bringing
that
you
know
just
we.
Obviously
we
need
to
have
continued
discussion
on
that.
M
Don't
think
I'm
missing
anything,
except
for
maybe
just
clarification
from
the
architecture,
I've
emailed
back
and
forth
on
a
lot
of
different
things,
but
one
being
the
proposed
window,
material,
I,
there's
there's
there
are
some
that
say
that
there'll
be
wood
windows,
but
then
there's
somewhere
else
in
the
plans
where
it
says
Cloud
windows.
So
I
just
want
to
make
clear,
because
the
commission
has
an
approved
Cloud
windows
on
historic
structures
in
the
past.
So.
O
I
O
Upper
floors
that
the
ones
in
the
back
of
the
kitchen
and
then
the
one
in
the
end
of
the
kitchen,
those
are
going
to
be
wood
windows.
The
clad
windows
are
the
basement,
awning
windows
that
are
being
replaced
right
now,
you
can
see
them
on
the
first
page
of.
O
Know
yeah
the
most
recent
one:
okay
over
it.
There
exhibit
oh
okay,
yes
there
they
are.
So
that's.
Those
are
the
windows
that
are
in
the
basement
right
now
that
are
proposed
to
be
replaced.
O
The
one
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
plan
and
the
window
well
needs
to
be
made
bigger
because
it
needs
to
be
an
egress
window
for
code,
that's
going
to
be
a
bedroom
and
the
other
two
I
mean
they're
all
in
that
state.
So
those
are
the
ones
we
were
proposing,
clad
windows
and
they
are
in
window
wells.
You
can't
see
them
from
the
outside.
Unless
you
look
down.
B
O
Are
steel?
That's
so
so
that's
that
and
the
other
windows
that
we're.
O
The
The
Arches
that
we're
proposing
are
to
match
all
the
Arches
throughout
the
house
and
Jeff
brought
up
a
good
point
about
the
kitchen
cabinets
that
I'll
talk
about.
One
of
the
kitchen
cabinets
used
to
have
a
broom
closet
attached
to
it
and
somebody's
removed.
It
so
they've
already
been
modified.
O
G
D
O
O
And
then
the
light
fixture
document
that
I
sent
showing
some
of
the
damage
youth
did
go
and
ask
somebody
about
repairing
those
light
fixtures
and
to
rewire
them.
O
He
said
it
would
probably
be
a
minimum
of
200
perfect
sure,
that's
just
to
get
them
to
work,
but
then
the
pieces
that
are
missing
and
things
like
that
the
company
doesn't
exist
anymore,
so
to
get
the
pieces
would
be
you'd
have
to
find
a
custom
person
to
make
those,
and
quite
a
few
of
them
I
noted
have
been
painted
and
he
said
the
ones
that
have
been
painted.
You
can't
strip
them
it'll
the
Finish
won't
ever
so,
it'll
be
a
faux
finish
on
them
and.
O
Quite
a
few
of
them
are
missing
anyway,
I
mean
the
sconces
in
the
dining
room.
There's
two
and
there
used
to
be
five,
and
one
of
them
doesn't
have
a
candle.
A
lot
of
them
are
just
loose
and
wonky
and
discolored
all
the
sconces
upstairs
used
to
have
a
little
lampshade,
and
none
of
them
do
and
most
of
the
light
fixtures
on
the
second
floor,
especially
in
the
common
space,
are
track
fixtures
now,
so
those
are
obviously
not
original.
O
Q
And
Judith
well
so
my
husband
and
I
pleased
to
own
this
house.
There
are
enough
toggle
switches
in
the
basement
that
we
can
pull
those
up
to
those
main
level
and
the
second
story
so
we'll
have
toggle
switches
throughout
those
two
stories
and
then
use
other
switches
in
the
basement.
There's
enough
to
work
it
out.
A
A
O
Oh,
that
is
inside
the
kitchen
and
that's
a
door.
That's
a
that's
the
door
into
the
half
bath.
That's
just
the
wall
behind
there's
a
wall
behind
it
or
in
front
of
it.
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
kind
of
dashed,
weird
they're,
not
trimmed
up.
Sorry
they'll
be
plastered
just
like
the
ones
throughout
the
just
like
this
one
at
the
stair,
yeah
and
and
then
upstairs.
That's
looking
that
you'll
you'll
look
through
an
arch
to
see
the
door
into
that
bedroom.
O
G
E
E
Here
it
is
the
statement
of
significance.
I
won't
read
the
whole
paragraph,
but
it
concludes
by
saying
the
elegant
house
stands
out
amongst
Green's
other
residential
work
in
Asheville
for
its
French
eclectic
style
and
features
a
complex
and
steeply
pitched
hip
roof.
Stucco
walls
with
coins
hip
Dormers
that
break
through
the
cornice
and
an
oversized
checkerboard
pattern.
Interior
chimney
interior
finishes,
include
oak
floors,
plaster
ceilings
and
walls,
original
light,
fixtures,
custom,
Cabinetry
and
a
carved
Limestone
fireplace.
So
that's
the
summary
statement
of
significance
on
page
three
of
the
report.
E
A
question
that
I
have
for
you
has
to
do
with
wall
finishes
where
you
will
be
either
eliminating
doors
or
altering
doorways.
One
of
the
things
I
noticed
at
the
site
is
that
the
plaster
finish
has
a
very
specific
texture.
It's
not
maybe
as
evident
in
on
most
of
the
walls,
because
they've
been
heavily
painted
over
the
years,
but
it
is
evident
in
the
bookcase,
so
the
bookcase
to
the
right
of
the
fireplace.
E
If
you
look
in
between
those
shelves,
you'll
notice
that
it
has
a
textured
plaster
that
20
years
ago,
I
in
Pennsylvania
I
heard
called
Prairie
plaster,
but
I
don't
even
know.
If
that's
an
official
term,
it's
not
like
it's
not
like
an
Italian
plaster.
It's
a
more
a
finish
that
we
see
I,
think
in
the
1920s
here,
and
so
my
question
is
how
how
are
you
going
to
match
that
wall
finish
where
you
are
altering
doorways.
O
O
E
G
G
Okay,
so
the
elevation
at
new
stair,
the
first
one,
let's
see
that
shows
the
the
new
Arch
into
the
new
room.
G
One
observation
that
I
made
when
I
was
doing
the
site
visit
is
that
there
were
no
arches
upstairs
all
of
the
openings
were
just
rectangled
right,
so
it
may
be
more
congruous
to
the
character
of
the
upper
level
to
keep
everything
squared
out.
That's
one
comment
that
I
would
have
about
that
and
then
I
asked
this
on
site,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
on
the
record
that
the
existing
built-in
in
elevation-
two,
that's
that's
16.
You.
O
O
E
The
hallway
it
says,
demolish
closet
walls
and
door.
Where
does
it
say
that
on
demo
plan
a
1.2,
a
foreign.
O
O
Yeah,
the
stair,
you
can
see
it
in
the
floor
plan
I'll
get
to
it.
K
Right,
it
creates
a
c.
Yes.
O
G
O
Yeah
yeah,
you
can
see
that
in
the
elevation
that
we
were
on
right
there,
the
the
cabinet
would
be
right
here,
but
beyond
this,
this
is
a
section
through
that
cabinet
with
a
door.
So
the
cabinet
that
you're
talking
about
is
beyond
this
and
the
ceiling
is
flat.
O
Yeah
this
is
this:
is
the
going
up
to
the
top
you're
at
the
you're
the
second
floor
here,
and
that
hallway
is
right
in
here.
So
you
turn
here
and
you
go
up
Beyond
this
stair
right
here
where
the
mouse
is
moving.
D
O
O
O
O
Yes,
the
so
that
they
can
go
out
to
the
patio
Garden
area
from
the
dining
room.
O
G
Since
it's
been
brought
up,
I
actually
had
a
note
about
this.
From
when
I
did,
the
walk
through
I
was
wondering
if
people
too,
instead
of
opening
on
that
prominent
facade
into
the
garden
opening
the
window
around
the
corner
from
it
that
faces
the
less
less
primary
it
kind
of
faces
towards
the
hill
kind
of
the
same
direction,
where
the
current
kitchen
doors
go
out,
because
I
I
feel
that
the
facades,
as
seen
from
that
courtyard,
are
going
to
be
more
important
and
than
that
secondary
one.
We're.
O
P
G
O
O
And
getting
rid
of
those
doors,
I
think
makes
this
door
a
little
more
necessary
because
they
might
have
used
those,
but.
E
The
widened
doorway
between
the
dining
room
and
the
kitchen:
what's
the
reasoning
for.
O
That
it's
not
widened.
It's
just
moved
down,
it's
the
same
Dimension,
but
she
wants
to
be
able
to
put
to
use
this
breakfast
nook
as
a
breakfast
nook
and
have
room
for
her
whole
family
to
sit
there
and
the
door
is
where
this
wall
is
right
now,
so
that
door
kind
of
impedes
on
that
space,
so
we're
just
sliding
it
down.
Okay
and.
O
Wants
to
be
able
to
see
into
the
kitchen,
because
we
talked
about
a
little
bit
last
time.
The
kitchen
used
to
be
very
separated
from
the
servants
quarters
to
the
owner's
quarters
and
she
wants
to
be
able
to
see
in
there
and
get
rid
of
that
closing
out,
because
the
kitchen
isn't
a
service
kitchen.
It's
going
to
be
a
family
kitchen.
O
She
wants
to
be
able
to
look
in
and
see
and
we
feel
that
we're
still
keeping
the
intention
of
the
plan
there's
still
doors
doorways
there
and
openings
there
that
separate
the
space,
but
visually
she'll
be
able
to
see,
but
the
archway
isn't
necessary
for
viewing
right.
The
archway
doesn't
necessary.
No,
but
the
getting
rid
of
the
door
is.
B
O
E
E
And
more
public
areas,
those
archways
are
used
in
to
kind
of
Define.
Just
like
the
that,
you
know
compression
and
release
the
profile
of
the
doors
between
spaces
are
part
of
that
vocabulary
of
a
building's
function,
and
so
I
I
guess
a
question
I
have
is,
would
it
be
because
it
is
part
of
that
that
differentiation
of
use
is
part
of
the
historic
character
of
the
house?
P
P
Hey
I'm
Jeff
Dalton
work
with
Robin,
sometimes
mostly
work
for
Robin,
which
is
a
good
thing.
That
is
a
public
space.
The
dining
room
is.
P
G
For
me
it
would
be
about
differentiating
what
is
new
from
what
is
original,
and
so
you
know
if,
if
we
know
that
the
Arches
are
historic
and
these
new
openings
are,
you
know,
are
not
I
feel
like
adding
an
arch
that
is
mimicking.
The
original
might
confuse
that
for
future
people.
So.
A
D
G
M
I
just
want
to
chime
in
with
when
meeting
oriented
thing
that,
when
you're
speaking,
if
you
could
speak
like
directly
into
the
mic,
I
didn't
realize
until
I
tried
to
listen
to
the
audio
from
the
YouTube
stream
and
I
couldn't
hear
myself,
because
I
wasn't
even
talking
loud
enough.
So
just
if
you
can
try
to
remember
to
just
get
as
close
to
the
mic
as
possible
and
speak
clearly,
thanks.
B
I
I
have
very
little
concerns
from
my
own
perspective
about
the
exterior
modifications
and
the
places
where
windows
and
doors
are
sort
of
changing
around
I
think
those
have
been
well
executed
in
the
drawings
and
so
I
and
I
think
there's
a
certainly
a
compelling
case
for
replacement
in
those
locations
because
of
the
condition
of
the
existing
doors
and
such
you
know,
when
designations
stock
talk
very
specifically
about
light
fixtures
and
radiators
and
cabinets.
B
What
do
we
do?
We
just
put
it
all
in
the
basement
and
let
you
know
and
just
do
whatever
we
want
and
and
put
the
old
stuff
in
the
basement.
That
is
a
struggle.
I
understand
the
challenge.
With
the
light
fixtures,
you
know,
there's
legitimate
effort
there,
that's
very
difficult
to
replicate
or
to
fix
or
to
rewire
all
of
those
things.
B
If
we
don't
talk
about
radiators
and
cabinets
in
my
pictures,
so
I
mean,
from
my
perspective,
I've
I've
limited
concerns,
I
think
about
the
first
floor,
changes
where
the
exterior
changes
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
distinguishing
changes
from
the
historic
detailing
to
the
things
that
are
proposed
to
be
new
I.
Think
there's
some
justification
for
that
for
sure
and
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards
for
doing
that.
E
Madam,
chair
I,
thank
you
for
what
you
said
in
you.
Your
your
comments
about
the
exterior
and
about
the
windows
and
doors
are
helped
me
kind
of
better
understand
my
position
because,
like
you,
I,
don't
really
find
the
proposed
changes,
for
you
know
The
Replacements,
to
be
incongruous
with
the
character
of
the
building
and
I,
don't
think
that
they
will
particularly
affect
you
know
the
flow,
the
circulation
patterns.
E
I
I
also
think
that
removal,
the
radiators
specifically,
are
not
addressed
in
the
designation
report
and,
as
you
know,
part
of
like
as
a
mechanical
system.
We
see
mechanical
systems
change,
you
know,
I,
don't
necessarily
think
they
are
a
character
defining
feature.
E
E
It's
the
removal
of
the
light
fixtures
in
particular
that
and
maybe
not
the
ones
on
the
second
story,
because
the
ones
on
the
Second
Story
appear
to
be
more
commercially
mass
produced.
You
know
in
looking
closely
at
all
of
them
on
site.
E
They
looked
to
me
to
be
ordinary
or
pedestrian
and
so
not
especially
character
defining,
but
the
ones
on
the
first
floor,
particularly
the
one
in
the
hall,
the
one
in
the
entry
hall,
the
two
in
the
living
room
and
the
the
two
extant
sconces
and
the
chandelier
in
the
dining
room,
seemed
to
me
to
be
very
consistent
with
the
French
eclectic
style,
and
you
know
unique
in
design
and
manufacture
and
so
removal
of
those
while
they
are
character.
K
I
agree
with,
what's
been
said
before,
and
I'm
trying
to
follow
the
standards
in
how
the
properties
preserved
and
maintained
and
I
feel
we're
orphaning
off
a
little
porch
in
the
back
in
a
kind
of
a
bizarre
in
a
there's,
no
access
to
it.
K
It
feels
like
a
a
weird
solution
and
and
I
get
why
it's
happening,
but
for
that
porch
to
now
have
no
access
from
the
house
to
a
little
mud
room
is
seems
like
an
important
characteristic
of
the
of
the
house
and
taking
out
those
doors,
one
that
wasn't
original
I'm.
Glad
that
that's
the
one
thing
we're
moving
back
to
the
original
design
on
it.
K
I
feel
like
the
landmark
status
of
this
house,
is
to
try
and
keep
it
as
as
intact
as
it
is,
and
instead,
both
by
the
shippo
letter
and
another
document
that
I'm
not
placing
remembering
right
now
about
how
this
is
a
unique
problem.
Oh
it's
the
application,
a
unique
property
that
has
only
been
owned
by
a
couple
people
and
has
had
very.
K
And
Flow
and
closets
that
are
character
defining
for
the
time
and
the
period
and
that's
what
this
is
is
a
landmark
of
a
time
and
place
and
and
there's
and
I
think
there's
probably
a
solution
there,
but
I'm
I'm
not
feeling
comfortable
with
what
is
there
right
now
for
sure
on
floor,
two
floor,
one
again
a
kitchen
remodel,
but
there
are
drawings,
specific
drawings
of
all
those
cabinets
that
need
to
be
I.
Think
putting
that
in
the
garage
or
the
basement
isn't
doing
the
landmark
Justice.
K
E
And
well,
thank
you
for
mentioning
those
built-ins,
because
you
know
when
I
was
speaking
of
the
light
fixtures,
I
kind
of
lost
sight
of
those
because,
like
you,
I
think
that
as
architect
designed
features
that
are
part
of
Green's
original
vision
for
the
house,
the
bookcases,
the
bookcase,
which
appears
on
the
plans.
E
You
know
it's
it's
in
a
public
room,
it's
in
a
room
that
you
know
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
the
most
expressive
of
you
know
the
French
eclectic
mode
on
the
interior,
and
while
the
bookcase
is
not
especially
ornate
or
you
know,
fancy,
it
is
an
important
feature,
I
think
on
those
plans-
and
you
know
it's
it's
worth
noting
to
your
point
about:
there's
only
been
two
owners
and
in
the
70s
when
the
kitchen
was
redone,
they
elected
to
keep
those
cabinets
now
granted
they've
been
re-positioned
in
the
kitchen,
but
they
were
retained
and
they
could
be
retained
in
the
kitchen
plan
today.
E
It
I
I
have
seen
no
evidence
to
say
that
their
removal
is
necessary,
be
I,
mean
I.
Remember
at
the
last
meeting
you
know
there
was
discussion
of
the
you
know
they
because
they
were
removed
from
their
original
location.
One
might
be,
or
maybe
both
are
a
little
structurally
unstable,
because
they've
lost
some
of
that.
You
know
surrounding
support,
but
that
could
be
reintroduced.
They
could
be
reused
and.
G
B
G
M
Thing
because
I
don't
think,
commission
has
held
other
landmarks
to
this
exact,
strict
of
a
standard
where
you
haven't
allowed.
The
commission
hasn't
allowed
modifications
to
Window
and
Door
openings
on
secondary
elevations
or
non-character-defining
elevations
and
I.
Do
see
your
point
that
the
kind
of
Courtyard
is
character-defining
element,
but
I
don't
know
that
changing
one
window
to
a
door
changes
that
whole
the
whole
feeling
of
that
space.
M
For
me
and
I
see
the
point,
obviously,
that
there's
an
entryway
that
now
won't
won't
actually
have
a
door,
but
I
do
see
that
also
like
both
of
those
could
be
restored
in
the
future,
and
it's
not
an
original
door,
that's
being
removed,
so
those
are
just
I,
don't
think
it's
original
the
door,
yeah
yeah
right,
it's
original
door
opening,
but
it's
still
in
the
rear
elevation
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
if
they
don't
want
a
door
there,
they're,
not
gonna,
and
it's
really
narrow,
they're,
probably
not
going
to
use
it-
that
much
anyways
and
I,
so
I
think
I
understand
the
being
sensitive
to
the
functionality
of
it
and
it
can
be
restored
to
a
door
opening.
M
M
M
B
Alex
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
on
the
exterior
changes.
I,
don't
think
I
really
have
changed.
My
position
I
think
that
the
modest
changes
to
the
exterior
in
the
rear
of
the
house
are
fine.
I
think
they
make
good
sense
and
they're
sort
of
well
executed.
I
wish
there
was
a
I
wish.
There
was
a
An
Elegant
solution
for
retaining
Cabinetry
in
the
that's
specifically
mentioned
there.
B
M
And
and
I
can't
may
have
been,
or
commissioner
McDonald.
That
pointed
this
out
last
time,
or
maybe
it
was
you
check
height.
That
said,
you
know
once
you're
correct
in
that,
once
a
feature
is
moved
in
from
a
space
that
it
wasn't
an
existing
or
original.
Then
it
becomes
an
Enforcement
issue
that
we
just
really
will
never
be
able
to
follow
up
on,
because
that
those
elements
probably
disappear
into
space.
M
And
I
appreciate
your
Insight
or
thoughts
on
the
radiators,
because
that
was
definitely
something
I
hadn't
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Thinking
on
until
I
went
to
the
house
and
remembered
there
were
so
many
original
ones
in
that,
but
that
they
maybe
could
be
considered
something.
That's
not
necessarily
contributing
our
character-defining
feature
of
this
particular
building
struggle
struggling
with
the
light
fixtures
like
the
rest
of
them.
Don't
have
any
magical
insight
to
provide
there,
but
I
I.
Think
I
said
this
last
time
that
I
I
felt
like
this.
M
You
haven't
talked
about
this
much,
but
we
did
talk
about
the
flow
of
the
Second,
Story
and
kind
of
the
alterations
there
and
I
feel
like
they
are
retaining.
You
know
the
original
Cabinetry
that's
up
there
and
to
me
it's
not
a
big
enough
change
to
give
me
pause,
I
and
I
realized
that
they
they
need
the
new
stairway,
which
necessitates
new
openings,
so
I'm
not
really
I.
B
That,
well,
that's
the
major
public
impact
to
the
second
floor
right
most
of
anyone
that
comes
to
the
house.
That's
not
a
family
member
isn't
going
to
experience
anything
of
the
second
floor
or
if
they
are
probably
just
what
happens
when
you
first
walk
upstairs
and
that's
a
I
think
a
pretty
big
change.
I
think
it
speaks
a
little
bit
to
trying
to
replicate
an
element
and
unnecessarily
potentially,
on
the
second
floor,
where
it
didn't
already
exist.
B
The
archways
I
think.
Certainly
the
changes
respond
to
the
modern
way
that
we
live
in
bedrooms
and
upstairs
of
houses
in
a
way
that
you
know
that
public
sort
of
first
experience
when
you
come
upstairs.
If
it
could
it's
largely
kind
of
be
intact.
Aside
from
the
stair
that
we
know
that
we
need
clearly
that
spiral,
stairways
sort.
D
K
M
K
K
M
It's
going
to
be
restored,
I
think
it
just
wasn't
updated
like
it
was
originally.
They
were
considering
replacing
it,
but
then
Michael
assessed
it
and
said
it
could
be
restored
and
I
think
to
me
I
mean
to
tell
them
that
they
can't
have
access
to
the
attic
space.
Just
I,
don't
I
mean
it
doesn't
seem.
K
M
I
think
it
does
matter
I
think
it's
the
extent
of
the
changes
that
matter
and
the
how
appropriate
they
treat
the
other
features
that
are
in
those
spaces
right,
I,
I,
don't
part
of
its
circulation
to
me
and
I,
don't
feel
like
there's
a
big
enough
change
in
circulation
to
me
and
I
certainly
think
that
in
a
secondary
space,
as
chair
Kai
pointed
out,
it's
important
yeah
I
hate
to
use
the
word
practical,
but
I
do
think.
M
M
It's
you
know
sure.
In
the
perfect
world
we
can
keep
everything
you
know
Frozen
and
it
worked
and
functioned
just
like
we
wanted
it
to
now,
but
it's
kind
of
like
I,
think
about
like
the
elevators
in
this
building,
which
most
of
you
were
not
here
for,
but
if
you
haven't
been
in
our
modernized,
elevators
they're
really
cool,
but
they.
I
M
Was
for
those
who
who
weren't
here
they
were
manually
operable
elevators
until
very
recently,
and
it
was
like
the
whole
question
of
the
having
someone
drive
you
in
the
elevator,
like
all
of
the
things
that
we
attached
to,
but
at
the
same
time
it
was.
You
know,
impractical
for
for
us
to
keep
those
frozen
in
time,
and
we
did
the
best
that
we
could
to
try
to
retain
all
the
features
that
were,
you
know,
possible
to
retain
and
Preserve
in
the
new
configuration.
M
So
I
guess
I
kind
of
draw
that
project
as
a
parallel
to
this
one.
In
my
own
mind,
because
I
think
it's
it
is
really
easy
to
like.
If
you're
gonna,
like
I,
don't
know,
look
at
spaces
all
the
same,
then
sure
I
could
see
where
you
might
have
concerns
about
the
second
floor
and
the
changes
to
it.
But
I
see
it
as
a
secondary
space
to
the
configuration
of
the
downstairs
like
if
they're
proposing
a
stair
in
the
middle
of
the
downstairs.
Foyer
I
would
consider
that
to
be
a
very
different
proposal.
M
I
feel
like
the
space
is
still
there.
It's
just
the
doorway.
That's
going
to
be
missing,
so
I
didn't
I,
don't
know,
I,
didn't
I,
think
it
looks
kind
of
odd
right
there
next
to
the
stair,
but
I
might
be
the
only
like
the
way
it
is
now,
but
I
might
be
the
only
and
that's
just
like
a
personal
kind
of
Viewpoint
of
it,
but.
M
H
I
guess
my
view
is
as
far
as
the
new
stair
for
the
attic
I
think
it's
more
in
character.
You
know
the
type
of
stare.
It
is
more
in
character
with
the
original
steer
than
the
spiral.
Stair
certainly
is
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
keep
a
safe,
a
passageway
up
to
the
Attic
So
I'm,
not
bothered
by
that
the
light
fixtures
I.
You
know
some
of
them
are
really
interesting.
H
I
just
agree
that
it,
a
lot
of
them
are
missing
or,
and
I
just
agree
that
they're,
just
not
functioning
properly
I
think
would
be
extremely
difficult
to
repair
them.
Unfortunately,
so
I
can
understand
why
they're
replacing
those
the
windows
outside
changing
doors
to
Windows
I
do
feel.
Like
you
know,
the
changes
are
in
keeping
with
the
overall
style
of
the
house.
I,
don't
think
that
they're
major
changes
if
we
were
to
retain
something
I,
see
we're
retaining
the
Cabinetry
on
the
second
floor
and
so
I.
H
Don't
think
it
would
be
a
hardship
to
reach
such
as
much
doesn't
seem
like
as
much
of
a
hardship
to
retain
some
of
the
kitchen
cabinetry
and
maybe
the
bookcase.
On
the
main
floor,
I
think
that
would
be
less
of
a
hardship
and
and
I
do
think.
Those
things
are
a
part
of
the
original
character
of
the
house
to
be
ashamed
to
lose
them.
So
it
seems
like
it
to
me
is
probably,
if
we're
going
to
keep
something,
it's
more
important
to
keep
those
things.
H
But
I
guess
I
might
have
a
more
liberal
view
of
you
know
in
keeping
the
other
things,
because
I
think.
D
E
E
So
I
would
hate
to
lose
the
light.
Fixtures
I
just
think
that
would
be
a
shame
same
with
the
Cabinetry
and
and
I.
Don't
love
the
what's
happening
to
the
second
floor,
but
I
appreciate
that
it
probably
needs
to
happen,
but
yeah
I
would
just
I
would
wish.
We
could
take
a
second
look
at
the
light
fixtures
and
keeping
as
much
of
the
Cabinetry
as.
B
I
think
the
I'd,
like
some
consideration
around
the
hierarchy
of
where
we
put
arched
openings
and
where
we
don't
put
arched
openings
and
whether
they're
necessary
everywhere,
because
we
like
them
or
because
the
historic
ones
that
are
in
the
building
still
are
special
and
they
get
to
sort
of
stay
special
and
that
the
places
where
we're
making
changes
don't
all
maybe
warrant
an
arched
opening.
Even
though
we
like
the
ones
that
are
there
already.
Those
might
be
the
sort
of
the
three
things
that
I
would
love
for
the
applicant.
B
To
take
some
a
look
at
I
know.
I
can
100
appreciate
the
hardship
of
the
light
fixture
question.
I
can
I
can
appreciate
that
completely
and
if
it
wasn't
so
well
referenced
in
the
in
the
landmark
report,
it
would
probably
not
be
as
big
a
part
as
the
of
the
conversation
as
it
is
and
I
think
somewhere.
B
There's
a
balance
between
being
sensitive
to
the
report
and
to
being
consistent
with
what
was
designated
as
a
landmark
in
the
first
place,
and
certainly
supporting
an
owner
willing
to
be
sensitive
to
the
building
in
the
first
place
and
to
care
for
it
and
to
and
to
you
know,
make
sensitive
improvements
in
the
first
place.
So
I,
it's
a
struggle
and
it's
a
it's
a
hard
answer
and
I
really
want
there
to
be
a
lovely,
elegant,
creative
solution.
E
You
know
removal
of
a
door
and
insulating
or
I'm.
Sorry,
one
thing
says
insulation,
but
another
thing
says
you
know
putting
open
shelves
in
a
closet.
E
There
are
a
lot
of
changes
proposed
for
this
house
that
we,
the
board,
does
not
appear
to
be
concerned
about
and
not
because
the
board
doesn't
care,
but
because
these
are
not
particularly
significant
character-defining
spaces
or
changes.
These
are
not
changes
to
character,
defining
features
and
that
the
the
that's
a
these
are
major
changes
to
a
landmark
and
that
there
are
a
few
things
that
the
board
finds
problematic
and
that
you
know
we
are
continue
to
emphasize.
B
B
I
think
that's
an
accurate
state
here.
I,
don't
hear
a
lot
of
comments
about
it
and
I.
Think
personally,
I
think
that's!
Okay,
I!
Don't
have
a
lot
to
say
about
it.
That
doesn't
mean
that
other
people
don't
I.
E
G
If
it
was
not
a
landmark
building,
it
would
be
a
much
easier
decision.
That's
for
sure,
because
I
mean
when
we're
going
to
school
in
historic
preservation
and
the
word
Landmark
comes
up,
it's
just
it's
a
much
stricter
standard
and
there
would
be
an
argument
to
say,
like
part
of
the
historic
structure,
is
the
historic
layout
and
in
different
people
would
interpret
it
more
strictly
than
others
and
say
no.
G
H
It's
tough
yeah,
I
agree
with
with
all
that
I
guess
my
feeling
about
removing
the
closets
in
the
the
between
those
two
bedrooms
is
that
in
people
use
closets
in
a
different
ways
today-
and
you
know,
families
are
structured
differently
and
you
know
for
modern
living
I.
Think
if
you
want
to
maintain
this
house
and
keep
it
as
original
as
possible
and
yet
make
it
possible
to
live
in
to
me,
that's
a
change
that
I
can
live
with
removing
those
closets.
M
O
I
just
wanted
to
touch
base
on
a
couple
of
things
that
you
guys
have
brought
up,
and
yes,
it's
very
difficult,
because
this
is
a
landmark
I
sort
of
feel
like
if
it
was
going
to
be
a
landmark,
it
should
have
been
made.
A
museum
I
mean
to
ask
somebody:
who's
going
to
live
in
this
house
is
their
own
house
to
keep
it
the
way
it
was
for
reasons
that
they
didn't
decide
is
is
a
lot
and
some
of
that
deals
with
the
Cabinetry.
The
Cabinetry
layout.
O
The
kitchen
layout
is
completely
different
than
it
used
to
be
that
used
to
be
two
rooms
and
there
used
to
be
a
huge
sink
and
the
cabinets
were
shoved
here
and
here
and
they
weren't
even
laid
out
in
a
way
that
we
lay
out
kitchens
today
and
it
was
also
used
for
a
servant
kitchen,
and
that
is
something
that
bothers
Judith
very
much
and
she
does
not
want
to
use
those
cabinets.
She
does
not
want
her
kitchen
to
have
this
history
of
these
servant.
Cabinets
and
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
request.
O
O
Greens
drawings
show
the
light
fixture
over
the
front
door.
That's
the
only
light
fixture
that
is
detailed
in
his
drawings
and
we
are
refurbishing
that
light
fixture
that
light
fixture
is
going
to
stay.
The
rest
of
the
light
fixtures
are
symbols
on
the
plans
and
we
don't
know
if
green
had
anything
to
do
with
them.
We
do
know
the
owner
had
something
to
do
with
them,
but
those
don't
represent
green
The.
O
O
There's
tile
from
the
70s
and
I
mean
those
bathrooms
are
not
original.
So
it's
not
like.
We
are
changing
this
upstairs
that
hasn't
been
touched
at
all
so
and
I
do
think
that
we're
keeping
the
idea
the
same
upstairs
is
bedrooms
and
bathrooms
and
we're
keeping
it
bedrooms
and
bathrooms
just
with
a
nicer,
stair
I
think
that's
all
I.
P
This
is
Jeff
again
I'd
like
to
talk
about
landmarks.
We've
worked
on
three,
the
Grove
Arcade
one.
We've
worked
on
three
landmark
structures.
This
is
the
fourth
Kenworth
Inn
Grove
Arcade
and
the
flat
iron
building,
okay,
very
fortunate
to
work
on
those
we
take
out
stairs.
We
move
walls,
we
move
openings,
we
change
light
fixtures
just
because
something's
a
landmark
does
not
mean
it
never
changes.
This
was.
K
P
We
move
walls,
we
keep
walls.
The
majority
of
this
house
is
intact
and
being
restored
and
the
kitchen
cabinets,
one
of
them
is
they're,
not
only
moved,
but
they've
lost
a
third
of
it
and,
as
Robin
said,
it's
not
a
museum.
It's
someone's
home
and
I.
Don't
know
what
public
service
or
public
benefit
is
happening
or
to
force
someone
to
live
with
these
items
from
1920
when
the
flow
of
the
space
is
the
the
exterior
they're
going
Way
Beyond,
and
it
is
not
this
drastic
overhaul.
P
Move
openings
and
we
remove
walls,
as
you
know,
on
lots
of
projects
landmark
structures,
Kenilworth
Inn.
They
had
a
big
dining
room.
Shippo
in
the
Park
Service
approved
one
third
of
it
remaining
in
the
open
space.
We
filled
the
rest
with
Apartments
Landmark
structure,
Landmark
dining
room.
These
things
are
not
Frozen
in
Time
Forever,
and
we
would
like
you
to
consider
that
all
the
good
stuff
we're
doing
and
what
I
think
are
very
slight
changes-
is
you're,
not
drastic
changes,
light
fixtures.
P
E
Madam
chair
could
I
also
add
that
at
the
last
meeting
there
was
some
discussion
about.
You
know
facts
that
are
not
facts
but
material
that
is
presented
by,
for
example,
Logan
restoration.
If
I
recall
correctly,
you
know
Alex
said
that
you
know
the
the
Logan
restoration
prepared
this
letter,
but
no
one
from
the
company
can
be
here
to
testify.
E
E
There
is
information
provided,
but
there
was
no
opportunity
for
the
board
to
question
someone
who
is
an
expert
in
that
field,
so
we
could
not
actually
get
really
expert
testimony
on
that.
So
we
know
that
some
of
those
fixtures
are
painted,
or
you
know,
they're
loose
I.
Think
one
of
the
statements
was
that
you
know
some
of
the
candles
are
loose
in
the
you
know
in
their
seats
in
the
dining
room
chandelier.
E
E
And
I
you
know,
I,
like
as
I
said,
I
think
that
the
board
is
not
questioning
a
lot
of
very
major
changes,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
a
lot
of
the
plans
can
be
approved
with
you
know,
motion
that
acknowledges
a
few
things
that
might
be
outstanding.
B
And
I
think
we
have
just
for
clarification.
The
the
letter
from
Logan
restoration,
I
think
we've
accepted
letters
in
similar
situations
from
experts
that
have
reviewed
those.
We
do
that
with
arborists
for
trees
that
need
removed,
who've
done
that
with
window
restoration
on
other
projects
in
the
past,
where
those
folks
have
not,
those
experts
have
not
always
been
present,
but
what
does
seem
to
we
don't
have
similar
documentation
on
the
we
know
what
the
light
fixtures
are.
B
We
certainly
know
what
we've
observed:
those
those
folks
that
have
been
to
the
house
and
the
feedback
that
y'all
have
presented,
but
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
rely
on
similar
kind
of
expert
feedback
like
we
do
with
the
Logan
restoration
letter,
so
that
I
think
the
Logan
letters
in
keeping
with
precedence
that
we've
had
in
the
in
on
past
projects
with
regards
to
other
things
that
in
especially
in
making
a
case
for
the
removal
or
replacement
of
something,
rather
than
the
restoration
of
something
like
taking
old
trees
out
or
Windows,
and
things
like
that.
G
F
I
agree
with
that
one
there's
something
to
me
about
the
Integrity
of
the
original
arches
and
respecting
that
we're
making
some
changes,
but
they're
going
to
be
we're
going
to
know
what
those
are
it
just
is
acknowledging
it's
it's
I,
don't
know
it
just
seems
honest.
Instead
of
trying
to
duplicate
some.
M
Well
so
I
guess
just
to
circle
around.
It
sounds
like
what
I'm
hearing
is
like
there's
sort
of
a
little
bit
of
it's
maybe
evenly
divided
by
those
who've
spoken
up,
so
is
am
I
hearing
you
guys
correctly
and
that
you
there's
consensus
around
except
for
the
light
fixtures,
the
kitchen
cabinets
and
the
arched
openings.
Q
N
M
Right
correct:
there
will
be
Stone
on
the
basement
level
that
was
included
as
part
of
The
Proposal,
also,
but
a
new
stone
right
right,
yeah.
I
E
I
I
G
We'd
have
to
see
if
the,
if
they're
amenable
to
some
of
the
recommendations,
we
propose
well.
B
L
B
L
D
L
B
M
Okay,
just
and
just
to
clarify
real
quick
about
process.
If
you
go
to
a
vote
and
it
denied,
then
you
have
to
wait
an
entire
year
before
you
can
apply
again.
So
just
bear
that
in
mind.
That's
the
rule
right
it
has
to
be.
They
have
to
wait
an
entire
year
for
the
applications
denied
to
reapply
yeah
for
the
same
scope
of
work.
So
just.
B
Not
totally
clear
on
what
the
record
I
think
the
three
three
concerns
of
the
board
and
you
all
chime
in
if
I'm,
not
speaking
correctly,
is
removal
of
the
light
fixtures
and
replacement
with
new
removal
of
the
existing
Cabinetry,
specifically
those
pieces
that
are
clearly
detailed
in
Greens
things
and
the
arched
openings.
Keeping
the
existing
arched
openings
intact
and
new
openings
that
we're
creating
both
on
the
first
floor
and
the
second
floor,
be
detailed,
somehow
differently
to
distinguish
those
between
the
original
arched
openings.
B
I
think
consensus,
yeah
I
think
those
are
the
three
things
that
the
commit
the
commission
is
going
to
struggle
to
to
vote
solidly
on.
C
B
Wouldn't
necessarily
be
confirmation
that
they
weren't
original
or
weren't
specific
for
this
house
that
green
didn't
detail
anything
but
the
front
elevation
or
the
front
light.
Fixture
is
certainly
important
information
to
know
and
if
they
weren't
all
discussed
in
the
landmark
designation,
we
probably
wouldn't
have
a
conversation
yeah.
E
And
you
know
the
the
the
standards,
the
SOI
standards
say:
distinctive
features
finishes
and
construction
techniques
are
examples
of
craftsmanship
that
characterize
a
property
shall
be
preserved,
deteriorated
or
historic
features
shall
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
where
the
severity
of
deterioration
requires
replacement
of
a
distinctive
feature.
The
new
house,
their
new
feature,
shall
match
the
old
in
design,
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities
and
where
possible,
materials
replacement
of
missing
features
shall
be
substantiated
by
documentary,
physical
or
pictorial
evidence
I.
Just
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
are
very
specific.
I
L
How
many
we
haven't
we
used
to
do
like
this
little
Strava
like
I,
could
prove
this
or
not.
We
don't.
We
don't
tend
to
do
that,
but
I
mean
I.
Guess
it's
you've
heard
enough
to
say
that,
but
you're
right
there
were
some
that
said,
they'd
be
okay
with
the
upstairs
or
downstairs,
so
you
might
be
able
to
talk.
We
have
gone
around
said
I
feel
very
strongly.
I
could
to
prove
this
or
not
or
on
certain
features.
L
So
if
you
want
to
go
through
that
exercise,
you
can
I,
don't
know
whether
you're
going
towards
splitting
the
lights
out
of
this
part
of
the
application
for
now
to
bring
back
additional
information
or
you're
trying
to
get
to
a
point
where
what
would
you
agree
on
right
now
as
far
if
we're
going
to
keep
the
lights
in?
So
that's
a
that's
another
point
and
you
might
need
the
discussion
and
I
just
want
to
for
the
record.
L
So
people
know
this
is
not
an
old
Landmark
designation,
This,
Is
2020,
so
the
lights
that
you
see
now
are
the
lights
that
were
there
when
the
owner,
then
owner
said
these
are
character.
Defining
features
so
just
in
case,
because
some
and
I
think
we
pointed
out
last
time
for
new
Commissioners.
It
is
unusual
to
have
interior
features
defined
in
a
landmark,
but
they
are
in
this
particular
Landmark
designation
in
there.
L
L
F
J
K
J
A
J
J
D
B
F
B
D
B
Somehow,
like
when
you're
just
viewing
PDFs
like
all
these
things
up
here,
that
I
have
are
Word
Documents,
and
so
those
are
my
chair,
docs
and
I.
Think
if
you
go
through
like
the
minutes,
I'm
sorry,
the
templates
and
the
staff
reports,
you
can
pull
them
all
up
at
once.
F
D
F
A
D
B
B
O
B
E
M
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
because
it
sounded
like
some
of
the
Commissioners
were
not
good
with
cabinets
moving.
So
it's
that
a
sticking
point
I
mean.
M
Guess
not
restored
within
the
kitchen
space
itself.
It
sounded
like
some
of
the
Commissioners
had
a
challenge
with
that
and
I
have
a
challenge
with
that.
I,
don't
think
that's
an
appropriate
treatment.
I
initially
said,
if
you're
going
to
propose
removing
them
at
least
propose
keeping
them
on
site,
but
I
still,
don't
think
that
that's
like
that.
O
E
I
I
would
support
reinstalling
them,
removing
them
from
the
kitchen
and
reinstalling
them
in
a
finished
basement,
as
opposed
to
storing
them,
where
a
lack
of
use
almost
ensures
deterioration
over
many
years
and
generations
and
multiple
owners,
and
it
makes
them
a
continued
part
of
the
hrc's
purview
because
they
are
a
built
feature
in
the
house
as
opposed
to
an
enforcement
issue.
Should
something
happen
down
the
way.
Q
I'm
juditha
again,
I
I
had
a
spider
sense
that
this
might
be
a
be
a
concern,
and
so
I
did
have
our
contractor
measure
the
height
of
them
and
they
do
fit.
We
can
install
them
in
several
different
places
and
configurations
in
the
basement
so
that
we
have
several
options
actually
also
of
how
to
do
that
in
the
basement,
and
they
do
fit
without
any
in
having
to
adjust
them
or
move
them
and
in
any
way
that
helps.
B
With
a
plan
that
shows
what
the
location
of
those
within
the
context
of
the
basement
could
be
a
minor.
I
M
Okay
and
just
so
I'm
clear,
how
are
they
affixed
now,
like
I,
don't
know.
D
L
What
is
that?
They've
got
like
a.
D
B
Yeah
I
mean
I,
think
I,
I
I,
just
I,
don't
want
them
to
just
fall
apart
in
a
damp
dark
crawl
space.
B
M
M
P
P
M
K
M
P
M
E
B
I
O
G
K
It
was
in
the
Josie
Ward's
document,
the
shelving
the
fireplace
with.
B
E
E
And
Mark
designation
report
was
that
specific
interior
teachers
needed
to
be
called
out.
However,
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
the
shippo's
response
can
be
can
be
followed,
it
can
be
discarded
and
what
was
designated
was
the
basically
as
it
was
written
in
the
report,
so
I
mean
it
what's.
What
we're
working
with
here
is
not
the
shippo
response
to
the
landmark
designation
report,
but
rather
what
was
designated.
M
And
I
would
offer
to
you:
I'll
have
to
check
our
files,
but
I
believe
that
the
the
author
of
the
report
did
make
revisions
based
on
shippo
comments.
We
just
don't
send
those
back
to.
D
B
All
right,
so,
let's,
let's
tighten
up
a
little
bit
here
here,
kitchen
cabinets
are
going
to
get
installed
in
the
basement,
with
some
restoration
effort
to
make
them
useful
and
intact
and
yep
bookshelves.
O
S
E
Know
I
I,
I
I'm,
starting
to
kind
of
come
over
to
the
are
they
really
character
defining
because
just
because
they
appear
on
the
plans
just
because
they
were
constructed,
are
they
truly
character
defining?
Are
they
there's
nothing
especially
French
eclectic
about
them,
and
it's
kind
of
you
know
while
they're,
not
the
mechanical
system
that
are
that
are
the
radiators.
E
They
are
ordinary,
just
they're
utilitarian.
Just
like
the
ordinary
light
fixtures
on
the
Second
Story.
They
are
called
out
in
the
landmark
designation
report.
However,
it's
worth
noting
that
they
are
not
in
the
special
statement
of
significance
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
landmark
designation
report.
They
are
noted
in
the
architectural
description.
However,
they
are
not
called
out
as
a
specific
feature
in
the
summary
statement
of
significance,
which
is
important.
That's
an
important
distinction.
B
D
A
B
I
B
People-
and
there
will
it
there-
will
we
lose
a
little
Integrity
of
the
original
ones.
I
think
Square
would
be
my
prefer.
O
R
B
A
B
All
right
and
then
light
fixtures
we're
going
to
hit
pause
on
I'll
use.
Some.
B
Yeah
I
can
appreciate
the
fact
that
there
was
a
very
high
quantity
of
cats
in
that
house
prior
to
its
current
membership
and
that
glued
down
linoleum
is
not
going
to
be
super
friendly
on.
What's
underneath.
O
C
C
Q
Q
K
K
Everybody,
the
there's
a
window
going
out
taking
out
a
window
and
replacing
door.
That's.
K
O
O
K
O
K
O
O
Oh
I
need
to
say
that
okay,
I
will
amend
the
package
to
include
no
arches
and
installed
cabinets
in
the
basement,
moved
from
the
kitchen
and
we're
going
to
take
the
light
fixtures
out
and
see
you
next
month
with
them.
I
L
Do
it
after
the
approval,
but
any
information
you
want
the
next
meeting
about
the
lights.
Anything
you
want.
In
particular,
you
should
probably
say
that
yeah.
B
B
On
that,
you
know
the
more
detail
that
they
can
provide:
they're,
probably
not
local
here
or
they
could
come
to
the
meeting
to
talk
to
us
about
it,
and
if
there's
you
know,
we
certainly
would
be
open
to
solutions
that
were
different
than
replace
all
the
light.
Fixtures
I.
B
Mean
I
I,
that's
your
case
to
make
I
think
as
the
value
of
the
significance
of
those
light
fixtures
potentially
on
a
Case
by
consensus.
We've
heard
comments
from
this
group
around
the
importance
of
the
second
floor
fixtures
versus
the
the
first
floor.
Fixtures
Etc,
so
I
think
that
it's
the
burden
is
on
your
team
to
make
a
case
around
the
significance
of
those
and
the
character
defining
nature
of
those
or
the
thing
that
you're
proposing
to
put
back
okay.
D
M
S
K
K
B
No
okay,
so
our
next
step
would
be
to
make
a
motion.
G
More
okay,
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
Commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description.
Six
pages
exhibit
B
photographs
of
subject:
property,
46,
Pages,
Exhibit,
C,
Door
photos,
12,
Pages,
exhibit
D
site
plan
and
specifications.
Five
pages
exhibit
e
original
building
plans.
11
pages
exhibit
F
plans
and
drawings.
Eight
pages
exhibit
G
Landmark
designation
report,
41
Pages
exhibit
H
State
historic
preservation
office
comments
regarding
Landmark
designation,
two
pages
exhibit
I
Landmark
designation,
ordinance.
G
G
Aluminum
clad,
awning
windows,
infill
one
window,
opening
on
East
Elevation
window
on
East
Elevation
window
well
on
East
Elevation
will
be
expanded
to
accommodate
new
egress
window.
Install
new
bathroom
fixtures
and
black
stone
floor
throughout
B
first
floor,
remove
all
radiators,
remove
non-original
ceiling
fans,
remove
bookshelves
adjacent
to
fireplace
and
living
room,
remove
bathroom
fixtures
and
infill
bathroom
doorway,
construct
new
rectangular
Doorway
to
bathroom
from
kitchen
and
reinstall
existing
door,
restore
original
kitchen
cabinets,
restore
original
kitchen
cabinets
and
reinstall
in
basement,
replace
non-original
kitchen
features,
including
contemporary
cabinets
appliances,
countertops
and
flooring.
G
Replace
three
non-original
windows
on
East
Elevation,
with
new
wood
windows
matching
original,
replace
original
eight
light
wood
door
on
rear
elevation
with
new
Tucker
wood
door
matching
existing
remove
one
original
wood.
Six
over
six
double
hung
window
on
rear
elevation
with
new
Tucker
eight
light
wood
door
removed
window
will
be
retained
and
preserved
on
site,
replace
existing
non-original
French
doors
on
rear
elevation,
with
new
wood
triple
four
light.
G
As
existing
with
all
new
materials
matching
the
original
as
closely
as
possible
in
appearance,
texture
and
color,
remove
non-original
shade
structure
from
Terrace
replace
damaged
steps
at
existing
rear
entry,
with
new
stone
steps,
replace
original
downspouts,
install
new
black
powder
coated
metal,
light
fixtures
on
side
and
rear
elevations
C
second
floor,
remove
multiple
interior
doors
and
walls
and
infill
door
openings
construct
two
new
arched
doorways
remove
bathroom
fix.
What's
that,
rectangular.
G
Multiple
interior
doors
and
walls
and
infill
door
openings
construct
two
new
rectangular
doorways
remove
bathroom
fixtures
and
floor
tile,
remove
non-original
spiral,
staircase
construct,
multiple
new
doorways
on
interior,
install
new
bathroom
fixtures,
install
new
fireplace
construct,
new
wood
stair
with
wood
railing
to
attic,
replace
one
existing
nine
light
door
on
rear
elevation
with
new
wood
door
matching
existing
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals
is
required
by
law
must
be
obtained
before
work.
G
Three,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
original
windows
and
doors
are
being
retained
and
preserved
the
window
and
door
openings
being
modified,
are
on
secondary
and
rear.
Elevations,
see,
doors
being
replaced,
are
deteriorated,
Beyond,
repair
and
or
are
not
original
to
the
structure.
D.
New
doors
and
windows
will
be
wood
and
will
match
existing
or
missing
original
features.
G
E
deteriorated
front,
Terrace
will
be
rebuilt
in
the
same
configuration
using
as
much
existing
original
material
as
possible.
Any
new
material
will
match
existing
as
closely
as
possible
in
material
color
and
texture.
F
new
roof
covering
will
be
on
a
secondary
elevation,
G
floor
plan
and
interior
spaces
features
and
finishes
that
are
important
in
defining
the
overall
historic
character
of
the
building
are
being
retained
and
preserved.
H
new
mechanical
system
will
result
in
the
least
alteration
possible
for
that.
K
G
Based
on
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein,
I
moved
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions.
One
revised
interior
elevation
drawings
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
Two
revised
basement
floor
plans
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
Second.
I
B
M
M
So
this
property
is
and
was,
is
a
newly
subdivided
lot.
I
think
some
of
you
were
here
when
the
subdivision
came
through,
and
so
it's
behind
or
parallel
to
Watauga
Street
it
actually
on
GIS
mapping,
connects
all
the
way
from
Pearson
to
Danville
place.
But
obviously,
if
you
went
there,
you
cannot
drive
through
there,
because
it's
not
improved
all
the
way,
all
the
way
through.
So
so
it's
just
this
new
lot.
M
That's
been
shaved
off
of
the
back
of
30
Watauga
Avenue,
and
so
the
proposal
is
to
construct
a
new
two
new
structures
and
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
clarification
in
the
past,
we've
had
a
couple.
Applications
come
through
where
they
really
wanted
to
propose
what
was
informed.
A
new
primary
structure,
slash
second
secondary
structure
where
it
was
on
an
alley.
M
You
know
where
it's
supposed
to
be
smaller
and
similar
in
design
to
the
primary
structure,
but
they
wanted
it
from
a
livability
standpoint
to
function
more
like
a
single
family
house
and
so
in
these
the
the
areas
that
are
zoned
appropriately
for
additional
primary
structures
to
be
basically
on
the
same
site.
M
If
you're
looking
at
it
from
a
forum
standpoint,
we've
we've
looked
at
them
with
through
the
lens
of
the
primary
structure,
guidelines
so
being
the
building
on
the
left
would
be
the
primary
structure
and
then
the
building
on
the
right
would
be
the
accessory
structure,
they're,
both
still
technically
accessory
structures,
so
the
other
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
Nuance
there,
but
but
just
to
give
some
context
the
way
the
staff
and
the
commission
have
looked
at
these
in
the
past.
M
I
think
I
included.
Okay,
just
to
start
with
the
this
is
the
primary
structure.
That's
fronting
on
Watauga,
Street
and
I
can
pull
up
some
more
relevant
photos
if
it's
helpful,
I,
not
being
an
architectural
historian.
I
want
to
call
this
a
vernacular.
Shingle
House,
that's
sort
of
How
It's
described
in
the
National
register.
Nomination.
It's
it's
got.
It's
got
its
own
specific
character.
I
would
say,
as
do
most,
of
the
houses
on
Wataga
are
all
pretty
interesting
in
their
architectural
features,
so
so
to
go
back
to
the
drawings.
M
The
Proposal
is
for
this
little
one-story
primary
structure
and
then
a
little
single
story,
garage
I,
think
the
in
the
new
construction
worksheet.
The
primary
structure
is
noted
as
being
it
basically
calculates
both
floor
plans
together,
but
I
would
say
we
wouldn't
typically
do
that,
since
one
of
the
floor
floors
is
at
basement
level,
so
in
in
my
mind,
the
floor,
the
square
footage
calculation,
if
you're
looking
at
the
form
between
the
the
primary
the
primary
structure
on
autography
in
this
house
is,
is
significantly
smaller.
M
It's
only
like
I
think
it's
600
square
feet,
so
I
think
from
an
overall
concept.
Standpoint,
I
I
think
you
know
two
structures
along
the
alley.
Right
like
this
is
appropriate.
There's
plenty
of
other
examples
of
where
there's
lots
of
accessory
structures
close
together
on
the
Alleyways
in
Watford
I,
do
I
am
struggling
a
little
bit
with
the
design
of
this.
The
proposed
primary
structure
I,
don't
know
that
it
has
a
strong
enough
relationship
with
the
structure
on
Watauga
Street,
although
it
is
pretty
simplified.
I.
M
Think
part
of
what
I'm
struggling
with
a
little
bit
is
that
it
almost
wants
to
be
symmetrical
and
is
not,
but
only
slightly
it's
got
the
little
Dormers
kind
of
just
right
off
to
the
side
and
then
also
the
porch
I
think
the
porch
could
be
something
that
could
relate
more
to
the
to
the
structure
on
Wataga
street.
M
It's
it's
inset
within
the
building
footprint,
which
I
think
is
a
little
odd,
whereas
a
seed
porches
that
are,
you
know
their
own
element
extending
beyond
the
footprint
of
the
the
the
the
floor
plan
of
the
interior
floor
plan.
M
So
that
part
I
think
is
throwing
me
off
a
little
bit
and
maybe
some
other
minor
tweaks
to
the
fenestration
could
help
it
read.
They
are
pretty
far
away,
I
would
say:
I
don't
know
like.
If
you
go
drive
along
Danville
place.
There
are
quite
a
number
of
accessory
structures
that
don't,
like
you
know,
really
exactly
match
the
primary
structures
that
they're
behind
and
I
think
that's
just
a
product
of
evolution
of
the
neighborhood
over
time
and
the
you
know,
design
standards
haven't
been
there
forever
and
I.
M
Don't
think
the
design
center
standards
certainly
don't
say
that
it
has
to
match
exactly
the
features
it
just
I.
Think
says
it
should
be
smaller
and
similar
in
design
whenever
there's
houses
located
or
structures
located
along
Alleyways
or
secondary
streets
or
new
and
old
on
the
same
site.
There's
another.
M
That's
football:
when
looking
at
the
primary
structure,
I'm,
not
noting
anything
about
the
garage
structure,
it
seems
simple,
simple
enough.
I!
Think
we'll
see
more
of
this
I
would
say,
because
we
are
running
out
of
buildable
land
generally
speaking,
but
certainly
I'm
offered,
where
we're
starting
to
see
these
smaller
lots
that
are
getting
carved
off,
so
just
something
to
consider
that
we're
working
with
the
smaller
area,
but
there
still
will
be
a
substantial
amount
of
Green
Space.
M
If
you
consider
the
existing
lot
and
the
size
of
the
like
the
primary
lot
fronting
on
Watauga,
so
I
didn't
know
any
concerns
there
there.
This
streetscape
also
has
like
a
little
bit
if
you
could
pass
through
the
whole
way
along
the
alley.
You
could
see
that
there's,
like
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
of
different
building
Types
on
this
there's
like
a
little
craft
and
Bungalow
next
door.
That
only
partly
reads
like
has
anything
to
do
with
the
house.
M
D
M
Yeah
yeah
they
actually
had
to
improve
the
right-of-way
to
subdivide
the
slot,
so
it
was
not
an
expensive
task
to
do.
They
had
to
improve
it
to
a
city
standard.
So
it's
and
I
think
that
the
lot
on
the
coroner
of
Danville
and
Kingsland
is
also
under
the
process
or
in
the
process
of
being
redeveloped
or
developed.
So
I
did
know
a
couple
of
like
material
things
to
the
to
the
applicant
I
noted
the
textured
siding.
M
M
Door,
no
The,
Pedestrian
doors,
yeah,
sorry,
they're,
aluminum
cloth,
not
fiberglass
and
I
also
noted
some
concerns
about
the
Street
skate
or
the
landscape
plan.
The
standards
require
Foundation,
minimum
Foundation
plantings,
ground
cover
and
new
trees,
and
they
are
removing
most
of
the
trees
from
this
slot
because
they
have
to
for
construction
purposes
and
I
know
once
it's
built
out.
M
It
will
still
be
a
very
small
lot
and
there
won't
be
a
lot
of
area,
but
I
still
think
they
should
plant
either
like
dogwoods
or
some
kind
of
small
maturing
tree,
because
I
just
feel
like
it's
going
to
be
pretty
bare
back
there
and
and
that
also
the
landscape.
Architect
is
only
showing
Foundation
plantings
along
the
front
elevation,
but
they
did
revise
the
plan
to
show
plantings
along
the
driveway,
which
is
required.
M
So
I
I
explained
to
them
that
I
that
the
that
the
standards
don't
say
that
the
foundation
plantings
have
to
be
installed
on
all
elevations.
But
that's
certainly
something
the
commission
has
required
in
the
past
for
construction
projects.
M
I
think
it
could
be
simplified
since
it's
an
accessory
structure,
kind
of
along
an
Alleyway,
but
just
something
I
noted
to
them.
I
did
also
ask
for
a
few
different,
a
few
additional
items
that
are
in
your
packet,
the
streetscape
rendering,
which
kind
of
hard
to
do,
because
it's
a
little
bit
disjointed.
As
I
mentioned
back
there,
the
garage
door
specifications
which
are
in
your
packet
I
did
in
looking
at
those
on
the
past
couple
of
days.
M
They
also
have
a
wood
grain
texture,
which
I
don't
recall
that
the
commissions
approved
with
grain
texture
doors
in
the
past,
so
just
something
for
discussion
and
they
also
supplied
the
lighting
specifications
that
are
in
your
pocket.
The
retaining
wall
is
going
to
be
I,
think
it's
going
to
be
bolder
rotating
wall
and
then
we
still
I
think
the
mechanical
unit
was
shown,
but
we
don't
have
the
specs
for
the
mechanical
unit
and
there's
not
they're,
not
showing
any
screening
on
the
plants
for
that
unit
either.
K
M
Think
if
it
were
unused
I
think
if
it
were
more
off-center,
it
would
probably
see
more
normal
design
to
me
than
just
being
this
like
it's
just
kind
of
the
whole
thing
the
front
porch
and
the
dorm
are
just
like
a
little
tiny
bit
off
center.
That's
just
a
little
bit
odd
to
me.
I
again,
it's
it!
It's
such
a
small
structure
that
is
on
a
secondary,
Street
I.
Don't
think
that
it
should
be.
M
You
know
like
super
detailed,
but
if
I
had
any
design
critique
to
give,
it
would
just
be
that
I
think
so,
which
is
a
little
bit
vague
I'll.
Be
there
interested
to
hear
what
the
rest
of
you
all
think.
S
E
B
D
D
B
That
same
really,
three
distinct
kind
of
chunks
of
the
of
the
front
of
the
house
there,
which
I
think
is
maybe
missed
opportunity
if
there
is
some
if
there
is
some
need
for
us
to
be
responsive
to
those
houses
that
are
around
us
and
certainly,
if
we're
considering
this
in
some
respects
in
its
relationship
to
the
Watauga
Street
house,
the
front
of
the
lot
I
think
there's
with
some
minimal
changes
to
the
elevation.
B
I
do
I
I,
do
appreciate
this
overall
scale
of
this
I
think
there's
so
often
that
these
really
small
sort
of
secondary
Lots
want
to
have
really
just
fill
every
square
inch
of
property
with
as
much
house
as
they
can
fit,
and
it's
really
hard
to
get
the
scale
right
when
you
do
that
and
I
think
this
has
done
a
really
good
job
scale,
wise
on
the
streetscape
and
yeah
and.
R
R
As
far
as
the
porch
I
agree,
we
would
love
to
pull
that
out,
but
we
have
such
a
tiny
buildable
area.
I
mean
this
is
as
small
of
a
lot
as
I
think
could
have
been
carved
out
and
so
reducing
the
only
way
to
pull
the
porch
out
would
be
to
reduce
the
house
physically
and
make
it
smaller.
And,
as
we
said,
it's
already,
you
know
kind
of
1600
square
feet
on
the
main
floor.
So
that's
what
that
plus
the
fact
on
the
Wataga
house
they're.
R
You
know
the
full
two-story
volume
of
the
house
does
have
the
inset
in
the
center,
but
then
the
porch
is
pulled
out.
So
we
tried
to
take
okay.
What
can
we
do
with
the
porch
that
we
can't
pull
it
out,
but
maybe
we
push
the
house
and
more
and
so
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
then
the
Dormer
in
its
relation
I
wasn't
looking
at
it
with
the
overall
roof
as
much
as
centering
it
on
the
porch
yeah
and
in
the
room.
R
It
could
slide
to
be
more
over
the
door
which
would
be
moving
it
to
the
right
if
that
would
help
anything.
But
let's
see
I'm
trying
to
get
to
that
I.
B
K
There
is
ranch,
but
with
larger
I'm
calling
Ranch,
but
straight
rooms
with
larger
Dormers
or
eyebrows
or
having
this
cable
I,
don't
know
if
that
it
presented
itself
more
of
the
period
to
sort
of
mimic.
R
Or
follow
along
that
architecture,
yeah
and
basically
The
Gables.
Simply
you
know
it's
like
part
of
what
we're
doing
too
is
this
is
supposed
to,
although
it
is
its
own
lot
and
it
is
a
primary
residence,
it
is
supposed
to
be
acting
as
an
accessory,
so
we're
trying
to
create
a
little
building,
that's
big
enough
to
really
be
a
house
and
then
making
a
roof.
That's
not
kind
of
puffing
up
the
size
too
much
which
is,
is
basically
sort
of
what
led
us
to
the
hips
plus
the
hips
mimic.
R
R
B
R
It
would
be
potentially
that
would
be
possible,
but
to
do
that
would
take
the
porch
to
being
more
of
a
deck,
which
is
decks
kind
of
don't
happen
right.
So
that's
why
you
know
the
big,
the
roof
kind
of
overhung,
the
recess
parts
to
create
a
porch
which
is
very
Montford,
and
then
we,
you
know
the
porch
is
pulled
out
a
couple
of
feet
just
to
get
the
columns
there
and
that's
really
because
you
know
the
depth
so
that
that
was
sort
of
I
mean.
That
was
it's
a
tough
lot.
R
Complicate
you
know,
because
it's
an
alley,
you
know
it
just
it
kicks
in
like
a
lot
of
different
things
and
then
relating
to
this
house,
so
I
mean
we've
played
with
a
lot
and
I'm,
not
I'm.
You
know.
Definitely
it
you
know.
We
hear
you
and
but
it's
kind
of
like
wow,
we
started.
You
know
we
kind
of
had
like
Gables
facing
the
front
and
maybe
gables
on
the
side.
But
then
it's
like
the
roof
starts
getting
bigger.
So
we
you
know
so.
R
R
That
was
kind
of
the
other
thing
that
the
Dormer
was
doing.
Yeah
is,
it
gets
some
clear
story,
windows
and
that
is
directly
south
facing.
R
If
we
put
a
hip
over
the
porch,
it
would
create
something
separate
at
the
porch
I'm
just
trying
to
think
it
through.
If.
A
R
Be
it'd
be
like
those
hips
I
mean
you
can
see
on
Wataga,
it's
only
stepping
back
like
a
foot
or
two
to
the
center,
and
so
that's
why
you
can't
really
read
those
hips.
If
you
I'm
sure
in
elevation,
that
house
looks
great
you
just
don't
read
you,
don't
it's
a
beautiful
house
I'm
not
saying
it
doesn't.
R
R
So
we
could.
Theoretically,
you
know
that
the
other
thing,
though
the
Dormer
right
now
is
where
it
is.
It's
sitting
back
flush
with
the
face
of
wall.
That
is
the
back
end
of
the
porch,
which
is
basically
the
living
room
wall
it
doesn't.
It
could
be
theoretically
pulled
forward
towards
the
front
of
the
porch
kind
of
creates
an
odd
little
shelf
thing
there
with
the
window
from
the
interior
side,
it'd
be
kind
of
like
a
almost
a
loft
I
mean
it
was.
R
R
You
know
I
mean
that
that
definitely
would
it
could
pull
out
if
it
didn't
have
a
porch.
Definitely
that
would
give
the
roof
a
lot
more
to
it,
but
we
just
felt
that
porches
are
super
important.
We
also
looked
at
even
we
looked
at
face.
R
You
know
like
what
way
does
the
house
face
at
one
point
we
looked
at,
does
it
face
towards
Danville
and
you
could,
because
you
can
more
easily
get
a
porch
there,
because
we
have
physical
space,
but
then
it
was
that
seems
strange
like
it
doesn't
it's
facing
the
back
end
of
the
potential
other
to
be
developed
lot,
so
it
didn't
seem
to
be
historic,
appropriate
in
terms
of
the
sighting.
So
that's
a
lot
of
how
we
got
to
know
and
not
really
any
answers
are.
R
Were
not,
but
that
was
a
discussion
we
were
having
back
here-
is
that
maybe
that
would
maybe
help
it.
We
didn't,
because
it's
so
low,
but
and
and
that's
partly
because
again
we
want
to
keep
the
house
small
in
scale
also.
They
want
they're
planning
to
retire
here
and
have
single
floor
living.
But
if
you
look
at
the
house
on
Watauga,
they
do
it's
a
very
similar
porch.
Actually
it
it's
pretty
much
right
on
the
ground.
There's
two
steps
up
into
it,
and
then
they
have
that
railing,
which
is
like
a
it's.
R
L
D
G
R
I
think
if
we
were
to
put
a
railing
on
the
front,
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
the
Wataga
house,
I
I,
don't
think
I
think
I
think
to
delineate
it
and
to
try
and
achieve
the
things
we're
looking
at.
It
would
probably
be
better
with
something
that
had
picket
rails
and
not
the
low
walled
look
of
the
way
you
know
to
exactly
imitate
the
house
at
Wataga
I
think
that
would
just
kind
of
look
like
more
wall
and
it
it
would
make
it
look
more
flat
and
back.
R
B
Is
that
is
the
overhang
of
the
the
front?
Overhang
Eve
is
straight
across
so.
B
B
That
goes
around
the
top
of
the
columns
that
isn't
showing
up
in
your
elevation,
which
you
know
so
it
sort
of
just
reads,
as
this
straight
across.
B
B
L
F
B
L
B
R
Guess
I
know
that
owners
that
particularly
they
would
like
you
to
consider
the
fiberglass
doors
that
were
submitted
for
the
garage
door
and
the
basement
door
and
I
guess
the
question
I
have
because
we've
sort
of
been
down
this
path
with
Windows
recently
it
was
simply
like
what
I
know
that
they
haven't
been
approved
in
the
past.
What
would
the
commission
be
needing
to
see
in
terms
of
like
samples
or
I
mean
what
what
would
you
know.
B
B
M
G
Not
I
think
our
reasoning
behind
approving
the
fiberglass
is
that
it
was
a
smooth
finish.
So
after
it's
painted
it's
going
to
look
just
the
same
as
the
metal
one
would
yeah.
G
G
B
A
difference
a
lot
more
material
but
you're,
so
you're
asking
for
fiberglass
on
the
lower
basement
door.
Yes
and
the
garage.
R
Doors
are
already
metal,
those
are
metal,
okay
and
and
when
we
say
metal
doors
on
the
front
door,
which
would
also
the
same
door
being
on
the
side
of
the
house,
those
would
be
aluminum
clad.
They
have
panels
there,
it's
just.
Basically,
the
window
company
also
does
clad
doors,
and
so
I
there
were
in
the
packet.
There
was
information.
R
T
The
reason
I
was
I
looked
at
the
fiberglass
is
because
of
the
water,
even
if
the
aluminum,
clad
I
wasn't
sure
that
would
hold
up
after
years
of
getting
pitted
and
things
like
that,
so
I
thought
the
aluminum
plaid
I
mean
the
fiberglass
with
withhold,
withstand
weather,
weathering
better
at
these
exterior
doors
that
are
actually
not
as
seen
since
one's
on
the
side.
One's
in
the
rear,
the
door
at
the
front
door
is
if
you're,
if
you're,
saying,
aluminum,
clad,
I
I
don't
have
to
have
aluminum
clad.
T
We
we
thought
that
was
new
in
new,
so
the
windows
are
aluminum,
plaid
and
they're.
They
come
in
the
color,
and
but
if
you,
if
I'm
not
stuck
on
having
to
have
aluminum-clad
door,
I
mean
we
can
do
whatever
you.
R
R
D
B
Doors,
it
certainly
would
be
open
to
looking
at
that.
If
that
was
a
compromise
opportunity,
there
I
think.
B
S
M
I've
neglected
to
point
out
the
in
the
past,
the
commission
has
required
that
the
materials
be
consistent
between
new
accessory.
M
And
or
secondary
structures
and
the
primary
structure
I'm
trying
to
recall
like
I,
remember,
there
was
one
historic
accessory
structure
that
had
to
be
like
fully
rebuilt
and
we
wasn't
clear
what
the
original
siding
was
and
you
all
let
them
have
an
alternative.
Sighting
I
think
they
were
the
main
house
at
Shingle
and
you
all
approved
for
the
accessory
structure
to
have
lap
sighting.
Since
we
didn't
know
what
the
original
material
was
and
then
there
was
oh
sorry,
no
correct.
M
Sorry
correct,
let
me
correct
way:
I
was
just
saying
that
that
you
all
allowed
fiber
cement
shingles
for
the
new
or
for
the
rebuilt
accessory
structure
so
and
the
main
house
did
have
shingles
also,
and
then
there
was
the
one
project
that
Diana
had
where
you
all
allowed.
The
fiberglass
windows
that
had
the
German
lap
siding
and
then
they
were,
they
went
back
to
German
lab
they
did.
Okay,
thank.
M
M
Pretty
sure
anyways,
just
something
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
commission
has
been
sort
of
pretty
consistent
on
in
terms
of
matching
materials
and
obviously
Montford
is
takes
it
a
step
farther
than
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
stands
or
standards
and
wants
everything
to
match.
So,
but.
M
G
I
R
R
R
G
and
H
G
is
the
main
house
that
it
was
broken
off
of
which
is
two-story
structure
with
shapes.
R
B
G
R
It
would
have
to
get
smaller
because
it'd
be
off
of
off
center
of
the
porch.
B
B
D
R
B
J
J
G
J
I
J
The
masking
about
having
something
heavy
and
low
and
not
having
tickets,
which
are
transparent
and
allow
you
to
see
through
it
so
you're,
going
to
get
this
heavy
little
mouse
right
there,
which.
J
J
R
I
was
spindly
no
matter
what
I
do,
because
those
are
like
10
inches,
which
is
literally
the
same
yeah.
R
G
R
Yeah,
and
so
it
I
do
think
we,
we
also
have
the
potential
in
talking
this
through
of
taking
the
Gable,
pulling
it
out
to
the
front
of
the
columns
with
Windows,
but
reflecting
that
back
on
the
wall
with
the
secondary
window.
So
it's
basically
two
sets
of
window
with
a
tall
porch
ceiling
that
would
pull
that
would
give
us
that
massing
that
we're
looking
at
it
would
give
them
light
into
their
living
room.
R
B
Yeah
I
would
love
to
see
any
of
those
things:
okay
with
the
roof,
because
I
I
agree
with
you
I
think
the
parts
are
all
there
and
it's
just
a
little
bit
of
refinement
on
the
masking
to
help
that
porch.
B
To
the
porch
I
think
I
mean
I,
think
so
I
think
the
scale
of
the
house,
the
size.
You
know-
that's
usually
a
big
part
of
our
conversation,
but
I
don't
feel
like.
We
need
to
talk
very
much
about
it
today
with
with
these
sort
of
pretend
accessory
structures
and
they're
kind.
N
R
Wood,
it's
a
raised
wood
porch.
Let's
talk
about
landscape
because
that's
I
mean
if,
if
we're
going
back,
we
should
I'm
so.
D
R
So
I
guess
the
question
that
I
have
and
Alex
touched
on
a
little
bit
is
that
the
guidelines
do
talk
about
Foundation
plantings
and
typically
I
guess
said
that
that
means
all
the
way
around
the
foundation.
We're
showing
it
kind
of
I
mean.
Basically,
nobody
can
walk
by
this
house
without
coming
to
I'm,
not
saying
that
in
a
bad
way.
But
this
is
a
really
strange
situation
where
it
is
not
a
through
Street.
R
It's
also
only
six
foot
on
that,
particularly
on
that
side
towards
sorry
what
sorry
the
to
the
left
side
and
then
you
know
the
rear
yard,
but
the
six
foot
side
we're
going
down
a
hill
we
plant
there.
They
can't
really
walk
around
their
house
he's
on
that
side.
R
If
we
have
plantings
along
there,
the
rear
we're
sloping
down
and
then
they
want
to
have
a
daylight
basement
that
they
can
walk
out
of
I
can
see
where
we
could
maybe
add
some
plantings
there,
but
I
don't
know,
but
I
guess
I'm,
just
wondering.
Where
are
we
at
with
plantings
and
do
you
feel
that
we
need
to
add
more
plantings?
And,
if
so,
and
what
about
trees
was
another
comment?
Alex
made.
B
And
I'd
love
to
see
some
at
that
lower
level
in
the
back
there
I
think
it
makes
some
sense
to
be
able
to
walk
around
the
side
of
the
house.
On
that
one
six
foot
side:
you
can't
get.
Let
me
look
at
back
at
these
plans.
You
can't
get
I
lost
it.
R
R
M
S
S
R
R
It
shows
up
on
the
site
plan.
It
just
didn't
make
its
way
to
the
landscape.
R
O
T
So
over
on
the
line
where
you
see
by
the
garage-
that's
also
one
one
tree
right
after
another,
then
on
this
side,
which
he's
got
the
one
Maple
there
there's
still
also
several
more
trees
along
there.
So
there's
a
lot.
D
R
Ones,
the
red
oak
and
the
white
oak.
T
T
We
we
looked
at
where,
to
put
some
small
trees,
flowering
trees,
it's
hard
to
I
mean
well,
it's
kind
of
like
after
it's
built.
I
can
know
where,
to
put
one
that
I
know
the
tree
won't
be
the
landscape.
Architect
was
afraid
that
there
would
not
be
with
some
of
the
other
trees
from
other
in
other
yards.
Where
do
you
put
those
that
they
would
grow?
So
that
was
part
of
the
reason,
though,
that
we
talked
about
the
canopy
from
your
yeah.
K
T
B
B
Outgrow
their
space
or
whatever,
but
so
that
I
think
is
certainly
important.
I,
don't
Alex
know
the
protocols
for
a
sort
of
follow-up
landscape
plan.
Once
the
house
is
built,
which
is
I,
think
what
your
your
preference
would
be
to
sort
of
fields
locate
those
once
you've
got
a
house
there
and
can
see
what's
happening,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that
when
there's
certain
landscaping,
that's
required.
Yeah.
B
I
B
R
B
N
R
So
it's
stopping
and
increasing
the
landscape
and
then
looking
at
those
the
features
as
it
relates
to
the
architecture,
particularly
concentrating
on
the
area
around
the
porch
and
and
the
roof,
and
the
detailing
of
that
whole
section
and
I
think
comments
so
far
about
like
two-car
garage
are
scale.
Wise
I
mean
it.
Basically,
it's
almost
exactly
imitating
there's
a
small
garage
at
30
wattage
littler,
but
it
also
has
two
doors:
hipped
roof.
L
N
N
R
R
You
truly
can't
stand
on
Watauga
and
because
the
what
are
you
saying
about
the
trees
is
correct,
so
the
the
guy
who
owns
30
wattage
is
a
landscape
architect
and
his
entire
backyard
is
full
of
Leon,
Cypress
and
other
very
tall
evergreen
trees.
So
it's
difficult
to
physically
figure
out
where
this
is
where
you
can
see.
This
from
is
the
Pearson
side,
because
those
houses
have
less
landscaping
and
you
can
see
in
between
the
houses
back
to
the
site.
Sorry.
M
R
R
S
But
I
was
just
gonna.
Add
that.
M
K
H
K
B
B
R
G
R
D
R
Do
think
that
that's
that's
doable,
we
can
look
at
so
we
will
be
looking
at
the
elevations
we'll
be
looking
at
the
landscape
plan,
we'll
be
submitting
new
doors
because
we're
talking
about
wood
doors,
not
for
not
the
garage
doors,
but
the
man
doors
throughout
the
project
and
I.
Think
that's
what
we're
talking
about.
It
sounds
like
it.
Okay,
oh
and
David's
got
one
more
thing.
T
Just
one
question:
because
I
heard
it
come
up
but
not
heard
another
discussion,
and
that
is
the
garage
adores
themselves
being.
C
M
It
sort
of
just
it
to
me:
it's
not
necessarily
different
than
the
siding
question
of
sighting,
because
it
doesn't
really
look
like
wood
in
you
know.
Metal
textured
metal
doesn't
look
like
wood,
but
even
though
that's
the
intent,
but.
D
D
A
B
A
M
G
B
M
B
That
and
also
don't
I
have
something
of
office
room.
No
there's
some.
D
B
D
M
It's
okay,
I,
missed
it
too
yep.
We
have
a
few
things
to
get
through
in
other
business,
so
please,
hang
tight.
I'll
try
to
get
through
these
as
quickly
as
possible.
M
The
first
thing
is
I
just
wanted
to
go
over
the
officer
election
process
because
we're
about
to
move
into
that
part
of
the
year
and
it's
a
little
bit
tricky
this
year,
because
sure
kite's
second
term
is
ending
in
March,
and
the
rules
of
procedure
require
that,
on
or
before
the
March
meeting,
the
chair
will
appoint
a
nominating
committee
and
the
nominating
committee
is
usually
two
to
three
people
who
then
put
forth
the
Slate
of
officers
for
the
next
year,
which
our
our
fiscal
year
starts.
M
July
1.,
so
the
news,
the
newslet
of
officers,
won't
take
their
places
until
then.
It's
also
a
little
different
this
year.
In
that
a
lot
of
times
we
have
like
this.
It's
like
the
same.
Four
people
are
kind
of
in
their
place
for
a
little
bit.
Maybe
someone
one
has
to
resign
or
kind
of
tends
to
not
be
so
changing
around,
but
this
year
it
will
be
different
because
commissioner,
spring
or
vice
sheer
Springs
second
term,
also
is
expiring
in
July.
M
So
that
will
be
it'll,
be
a
big
change
as
far
as
the
membership
on
the
executive
committee,
the
executive
committee,
just
as
a
reminder
as
the
chair
of
Vice,
chair
second
Vice,
chair
and
third
vice
chair,
it's
kind
of
funny
to
me,
but
really
the
the
vice
chairs
are
really
there
to
kind
of
help
support
the
role
of
the
chair.
M
If
you
know
one
of
you
has
to
be
absent,
so
so
that's
the
primary
work
that
the
executive
committee
does
at
this
stage,
so
I
guess
we
like
next
month,
we'll
Emily
will
be
putting
forth
the
nominating
committee
members
and
then
we
just
have
to
you
all
just
have
to
vote
on
the
new
slate
of
officers
before
July
1,
and
if
your
name
doesn't
end
up,
we
usually
are
trying
to
like
talk
to
people
and
see
who's
interested.
M
A
B
D
B
M
I
hope
you
knew
that
was
coming.
That
would
be
really
bad
to
forewarn.
You
like,
please
don't
anyone
else,
think
we're
gonna,
appoint
you
as
chair
and
be
yeah
if
you're
absent,
you're
going
to
be
the
next
chair,
just
say
yeah
anyway.
So
hopefully
the
process
is
a
little
bit,
I
think
a
wonky,
but
it
just
says
what
it
is
in.
M
Just
yeah,
if
if
for
some
reason
the
county
didn't
appoint
someone
to
Emily's
seat
until
we
got
to
July,
she
can
still
serve
in
the
chair
seat
until
July,
Janice
and
I
talked
this
through.
So
because,
obviously
we
would
be
in
a
weird
lull
without
a
chair
until
July
1.
I
mean
I,
guess
Feister
spring
would
maybe
roll
into
the
roll
for
a
couple
months.
M
G
M
M
M
Yeah,
okay
and
so
the
next
item
is,
we
are
partnering
with
the
North
Carolina
School
of
government
on
a
pilot
program
for
resiliency
planning,
which
is
pretty
awesome.
They
reached
out
to
us
recently
because
they're
well,
when
they're
developing
design
guidelines
at
the
state
level
to
help
with
with
not
I
guess
not
just
Hazard
mitigation,
but
disaster
preparedness
in
a
way.
M
So,
like
think
like
elevating
buildings
out
of
the
flood
plain
things
like
that,
so
that's
really
exciting,
because
it's
definitely
not
something
that
we
would
have
capacity
to
work
on
at
the
local
level
anytime
in
the
near
future.
And
it's
something
that
we
really
need
and
every
time
there's
a
hurricane.
My
email
is
like
what's
going
on,
Biltmore
Village
and
I'm
panicking,
because
I
have
no
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
prepared.
D
M
Respond
but
respond
in
a
panic
mode
without
any
kind
of
real
practical
information,
so
don't
park
underneath.
M
A
lot,
but
so
the
resiliency
plan
is
part
of
that
same
work,
it's
being
Grant
funded.
There's
a
lot
of
money
that
came
into
the
state
be
a
way
of
the
terrible
hurricanes
that
we've
had
in
the
past.
Has
it
been
three
years
two
years
four
years,
Fred.
M
So
so
this
will
be
pretty
cool
they're,
basically
gonna,
we're
gonna
analyze,
our
GIS
data
and
the
flood
data
to
try
to
understand
what
historic
resources
will
be
impacted
by
flooding
specifically
or
can
be
impacted
by
flooding
specifically
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
process
of
basically
prioritizing
which
resources
to
try
to
look
at
helping
first
and
I.
Think
we'll
look
at
that
through
I
know,
we'll
look
at
that
through
an
equity
lens.
M
We
do
have
climate
Justice
neighborhoods,
most
of
which
are
not
in
the
flood
plain
here
is,
but
we
do
I'm
sure
there
are
probably
historic
resources
I'm,
not
thinking
of
that
are
in
more
vulnerable
areas
or
areas
that
have
vulnerability
due
to
other
issues.
Besides
flooding,
so
stay
tuned.
We're
excited
about
that
I.