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From YouTube: Affordable Housing Advisory Committee – February 2, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Affordable Housing Advisory Committee.
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A
C
B
A
A
D
A
In
dewana
here,
okay
and
welcome,
we
also
have
joining
us
councilwoman,
Mosley
and.
A
City
staff:
first,
it's
very
well
confused
with
the
wrong
pretending
here.
First
first
we'll
approve
the
minutes
from
from
last
meeting,
because
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
the
action
minutes
from
last
meeting.
A
E
A
Sorry,
oh
and
I
think
I'm
the
right
one.
That
dates
too
strong.
Is
that
what
it
is?
That's?
What's
throwing
me
off?
Okay,
absolutely!
It's
all
throwing
up
Okay,
so
we've
proved
minute.
So
the
first
thing
we're
going
to
discuss
is
discussion
of
our
of
our
bylaw
as
an
election
of
officers.
What
we've
been
working
through
is
to
determine
kind
of
next
chair
and
vice
chair
role.
A
We've
had
some
discussion
for
who
may
or
may
not
be
interested
in
that,
and
then
some
we've
explored
some
options
for
changing
being
able
to
change
our
bylaws.
That
would
allow
co-chairs,
if
that's
what
people
want
so
I
will
kind
of
leave.
It
I
think
Brian
you've
got
like
the
Brand's,
taking
a
little
bit
of
lead
and
kind
of
corralling.
Some
of
this
all
kind.
D
Of
game
I
mean
there
are
a
number
of
people
who've
expressed
interest
in
leadership,
but
no
one
who
wants
to
take
on
the
chairman
role
and
so
I
think
that's
what
sort
of
led
us
to
should
we
consider
doing,
co-chairs
or
not
I
think
co-chairs
are
a
viable
option
from
a
City's
perspective.
D
B
D
That
or
just
go
ahead
and
approve
co-chairs
and
bylaws
and
then.
F
A
F
A
The
move
today
is
to
just
take
a
vote
on
that
ask
for
that
to
be
drafted
up
then
next
between
now
and
the
next
meeting.
Knowing
that
that's
an
option,
we
could
vote
on
that
neck
and
we
could
vote
on
that
bylaw
chains
and
the
mean
fat
people
can
start
to
know
that
that's
the
path
that
you
can
work
offline
for
figuring
that
out
ourselves:
okay,
okay,
so
because.
G
I'll,
so
very
one,
one
other
point
to
that:
I
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
thoughts
around
co-chairs
was
that
it's
a.
G
Either
directly
funded
by
city
of
Asheville
or
working
on
City
funded
projects
that
part
of
the
idea
of
having
co-chairs
with
me
to
you
know
sure
that
leadership
intact.
As
we
you
know,
if
a
chair
had
to
recuse
themselves,.
G
B
H
G
You
know
man
leadership
if
somebody
had
to
recuse
themselves
from
a
boat.
A
E
G
B
F
A
Yeah,
okay,
over
the
years
a
few
a
few
times,
people
have
said:
hey,
I,
better
step
out
of
this
discussion,
because
but
yeah
I
guess
I
haven't
I,
haven't
seen
too
much
of
it.
But
yet
so
it's
good
to
get
brushed
up
on
that
policy.
Just
so
we
know,
since
it
might
be,
depending
on
now
on
future
committee
members
and
looking
more
people
that
are
taking
city
funding,
and
that
also
I
mean
we.
J
Should
definitely
have
some
type
of
discussion
on
if
it
were
to
be
co-chairs?
What
are
how
you
might
divide
it,
what
that
looks
like
education
with
hcd
those
kinds
of
things
too.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
I
think
some
I
mean
it's
some
ways.
We,
you
know
we
have.
We
haven't
with
once
we've
since
we've
been
operating
these
two
task
forces
with
the
build
and
the
connect
there's
there
has
been
a
little
bit
more
of
a
separation
of
like
okay.
This
group
and
these
interests
are
focusing
on
this
and
this
group
and
these
interests
are
focusing
on
this
and
then
they
come
together.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
guess
what
we
would
do
we
need
to
have.
So
we
should
have
a
motion
that
asks
the
amendment
to
be
drafted
that
would
allow
that
would
allow
the
option
of
a
hack
having
co-chairs
or
I.
F
A
All
right,
just
so
I'm
just
yeah
I,
think
my
and
I
guess
we
should
also
in
this
discussion
for
next
time.
Maybe
you
know
so
my
my
term
I
think
is
up
in
September,
so
I
think
it
would
also
be
good
to
kind
of
freshen
up
that
list.
That
way,
we
also
know
whose
seats
are
current
who's
up
in
September,
so
we
also
make
some
decisions
based
based
on
that
and
then
kind
of
update
the
I
think
we
should
look
at
kind
of
the
commitment.
A
You
know
it'd
be
a
good
time
to
look
at
the
committee
makeup,
no
between
now
and
September,
who's,
who's
on
and
who's
rolling
off,
and
then
what
seats
that
we're
supposed
to
be
representing
that
may
or
may
not
be
represented
best.
So
we
know
what
we
might
need
to
focus
on
for
new
for
new
seats.
K
K
A
Okay,
anyone
else
have
anything
they
want
to
add,
or
talk
about
for
that
cool
cool,
all
right,
new
business
we've
got
the
review
of
Luigi
and
policy
revision
process
and
talk
about
our
calendaring
and
I
do
want
to
bring
I
I
want
to
bring
one
one
thing
up,
just
because
councilman
Mosey
is
here
and
has
to
has
to
leave
at
some
point.
A
One
thing
that
you
know
was
that
we've
discussed
you
know
we've
discussed
as
a
committee.
It
was
kind
of
in
the
news
this
week
a
bit
about
the
idea
of
non-discrimination
for
income
for
housing,
and
then
there
was,
you
know
pretty
big
news
story
this
week
about
Hawthorne
apartments
making
it
sounded
like
it
was
a
policy
company
decision,
but
then
it
said
it
might
be
individual
development
decisions
about
not
about
not
accepting
indirect
payments
from
tenants
for
housing
subsidies.
A
Of
housing,
subsidies
and
rent
subsidies
that
that
exist
for
people
in
need,
especially
to
help
keep
them
in
housing
when
they're
going
through
vulnerable
situations,
so
it
kind
of
brought
you
know,
I
think
it
kind
of
brought
up
to
the
attention
and
put
a
spotlight
on
that.
This
was
a
big
issue
and
it's
not
just
city
funding
and
that
we've
had
this
discussion
so
I
just
wanted
to
and
I
wanted
to
kind
of
get
an
update.
I
know
it's
I
hear
it's
moving
through
legal
a
little
bit.
A
L
Morning,
chairman
Bialik,
so
for
a
few
months
now,
hcd
has
been
paying
close
attention
to
activities
in
Charlotte.
You'll
recall
that
that
municipality
passed
a
non-discrimination
or
source
of
income
discrimination,
ordinance,
I,
don't
know
about
six
months
ago
and
in
fact
Council
when
we
did
our
legislative
requests
also
included
that,
in
those
requests,
legal
has
been
looking
into
it
and
at
some
point
is
going
to
come
before
hcd
for
further
discussion.
L
I
will
say
that
a
couple
of
times
in
our
Council
meetings,
I've
noticed
a
bit
of
concern
about
it,
and
one
thing
that
I
always
bring
up
is
how,
even
with
a
a
source
of
income
non-discrimination
requirement.
It
may
not
be
as
helpful
to
folks
who
are
below
a
certain
income
level
and
have
the
vouchers,
because
whatever
amount,
the
voucher
is
worth
if
the
rent
is
far
in
excess
of
that
amount,
those
vouchers
will
be
essentially
of
no
good.
What
I
will
say.
L
Also,
though,
that
concerned
me
about
the
developer
that
you
spoke
of
it's
what's
going
to
happen
to
people
who
don't
even
have
vouchers
and
I
would
love
to
hear
from
you
all
how
you
believe
developers
would
respond.
If
we
made
some
type
of
requirement
for
properties,
we
incentivize
with
that
depressed
interest
from
Builders,
I
I,
don't
know,
that's
something
that
I
would
want
to
defer
to
your
expertise
on.
L
You
know,
but
when
you're
on
the
street
you're
on
the
street,
whether
you
only
needed
help
for
two
months
or
a
year.
So
that's
really
my
concern
and
you
know
I
feel,
like
the
timing
is
perfect,
given
that
we've
just
had
the
update
from
the
National
Alliance
to
in
homelessness.
So
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you
chair,
and
you
tell
me.
A
A
A
So
I
wonder
if
you
know
it's
been
on
our
agenda
before
we've
discussed
this
I
think
I
think
what
I
would
be
like
one
thing
I
will
personally
do
is
just
you
know,
reach
out
I,
you
know,
I
know
some
of
these
developers
and
I
know
different
I
could
probably
pull
them
in
and
have
a
conversation
off.
You
know
offline
and
find
out
I
just
wanted
to
see
what
others
thought
or
how
they
can.
A
A
A
A
good
good
example
of
kind
of
what
our
committee
is
and
like
how
sometimes
we
do
have
to
reach
beyond
the
scope
of
actually
what's
written
on
the
paper.
What
we're
supposed
to
do
to
use
our
experiences
so
just
I'm
curious
how
how
we,
as
a
committee,
think
we
could
what
we
should
be.
You
know
what
we,
how
much
should
be
done
in
committee.
How
much
of
this
is
more
formal
of
us
asking
people.
We
know.
J
J
L
To
my
knowledge,
no
Sasha
have
you
heard
anything
along
those
lines
now.
Having
said
that,
I
haven't
had
Communications
with
the
other
hcd
members
on
purpose
right,
because
if
I
talk
to
one
person,
then
it's
yeah
a
quorum,
but
it's
something
that
I
can
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
city
manager
and
maybe
they
can
move
forward
from
there.
My.
F
D
L
Because
I,
also,
though
it
seems
to
me
at
least
in
the
two
plus
years
that
I've
been
on
Council,
that
just
about
everybody,
we
incentivize
ends
up,
saying:
they'll
accept
vouchers
anyway,
the
real
distinction
we
were
trying
to
make
was
having
them
set
aside
units
for
those
vouchers.
So
I,
don't
recall
anyone
saying
we
will
not
accept
vouchers.
A
Any
control
of
or
but
like.
L
An
example
would
be
if
someone
needed
rental
assistance
as
a
result
of
covet
cobit
and
if
they
were
getting
the
money
through
the
county
and
then
the
landlord
says
no
I'm
not
going
to
take
that
I.
Think
that's
the
issue.
That's.
F
B
L
And
Pops
so
and
I
don't
have
the
expertise
in
that
gauge.
M
M
So
I'm
right
in
my
mind,
trying
to
figure
out
like
what
is
the
whole
like
what
is
restricting
developers
or
develop
developers
from
being
more
intentional
about
accepting
that
disable
yourself,
but
they
only
accept
for
a
one-bedroom
Studio,
which
we
are
saying
a
lot
of
as
this
as
a
part
of
egg.
If
it
has
been
like
when
there's
a
lot
of
families
that
need
access,
you
know
what
I
mean
that
and
we
incentivize
them
for
smaller
units.
They
give
smaller
units
to
vouchers,
but
even
in
that
process
is
discriminatory.
M
F
B
A
A
A
You
know,
like
that's,
been
discussed,
because
that
way,
we
you
know
it's
something
that
to
get
the
people
all
in
one
room
to
have
the
discussion
about
what
are
the
barriers?
What
are
the
issues
that
you
know
that
this
would
be
a
good
agenda?
I
have
to
bring
up
on
something
like
that.
So
this
might
be
you.
A
Could
work
on
getting
that
back
together
the
idea
of
this
developer
Forum
that
way
we
get
everybody
at
the
table
to
have,
and
we
can
start
tracking.
All
of
those
conversations
we
want
to
have
from
this
discrimination
of
income.
To
you
know
the
unit
mix
is
definitely
that's
a
big
issue.
That's
something
is
you
know
we
we,
it.
A
Or
January
about
about
that
that
not
to
not
to
just
have
one
class
of
units,
because
we've
seen
that
a
bit
so
but.
H
A
A
Yeah
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
love
to
be
at
that
table
all
right,
I
guess
we'll
roll
back
into
the
review
of
Louisiana
policy
revision
process.
If
you'd
like
to
share
that
with
us
thanks.
F
Thanks
so
I
thought,
maybe
it
might
be
helpful
to
do
kind
of
an
overall
and
I
guess
I'm
going
to
ask
you
like
how
many
of
you
feel,
like
you
understand
the
Luigi
policy,
or
would
you
like
me
to
kind
of
go
over
it
I'd
like
a
review?
Okay,
I'll,
try
not
to
if
I'm
going
too
slow
and
you
just
somebody
I
guess
not.
Everybody
may
be
on
the
same
page
with
that,
so
I'll,
just
I'll
just
go,
but
I'll
try
not
to
take
too
long
I'm.
So
just
really
quickly.
F
to
incentivize
the
inclusion
of
affordable
housing
and
development.
So
it's
really
for
folks
or
I
believe
it
was
kind
of
conceptualized.
Is
that
let's
get
the
developers
who
wouldn't
normally
include
affordable
housing?
Let's
get
them
to
include
some.
So
how
can
we
incentivize
that?
So
we
basically
are
using
future
projected
tax
revenue
to
fund
affordable
units
at
or
below
80
percent,
so
the
very
the
Baseline
is
20
of
your
units
must
be
affordable
at
80
Ami
for
a
period
of
20
years.
F
You
have
to
do
that
to
or
at
least
according
to
our
scoring
Matrix,
you
could
negotiate
something
different
with
Council,
that's
the
Baseline,
and
that
gets
you
20
points.
We
have
a
whole
scoring
Matrix
I'll
I'll
explain,
but
then
we
ask
for
other
things
as
as
well
so
it's
evolved
over
time.
The
point
structure
has
evolved
over
time.
The
last
revision
was
in
June
of
21.
F
and
it
added
converting
existing
market
rate
units
to
Affordable
as
an
option-
and
you
know
we've
talked
about
on
this
committee
and
with
hcd
about
revising
this
policy
this
year
sooner.
Everybody
wants
to
do
it
sooner
than
later,
so
so
how
it's
kind
of
modeled
on
our
Economic
Development
incentive
policy.
Every
five
points
in
The
Matrix
is
worth
one
year
of
taxes
granted
back
to
the
developer.
F
We
do
not
use
the
words
rebate.
Rebates
are
not
legal
in
North
Carolina,
so
we
look
at
what
we
think
the
future
tax
value.
Is
we
subtract
out
the
current
tax
value,
which
is
often
very
low,
so
if
it's
vacant
land
it
might
be
a
thousand
dollars
or
a
couple
thousand
dollars,
and
then
we
we
get
that
tax
increment
Council
approves
a
maximum
award
based
on
that
tax
value.
F
I
F
F
Minimum
requirements
must
be
at
least
two
units
again,
the
20
percent
for
20
years.
They
have,
it
has
to
be
in
the
city
limits,
believe
it
or
not.
We
get
that
question.
F
It's
only
for
city
taxes,
I've
had
some
developers
assume
that
we're
going
to
grant
them
County
taxes
back
and
we
don't
have
them
we're
not
getting
that
money,
so
it
has
to
be
at
least
70
percent
square
footage
of
residential
doesn't
count
a
parking
garage
and
it's
ideally
it's
you
know-
should
be
located
to
provide
convenient
access
to
jobs,
schools
and
services.
F
F
You
get
more
points
if
you're
going
deeper
in
affordability,
you
get
more
points.
If
you
do
30
years
or
50
years,
if
you're
converting
it's
a
little
bit
different
and
we
haven't
seen
any
of
those
yet
have
not
come
in
and
then
there's
this
rental
assistance
if
you're
providing
it's
kind
of
like
accepting
vouchers,
all
different
kinds
of
vouchers,
you
can
get
points
for
that
and
then
there's
some
location
pieces
here.
F
So
if
you're
in
the
CBD
you
automatically
get
30
points,
so
that's
six
years
right
there
so
and
I
think
that's
because
land
and
the
CBD
is
much
more
expensive.
It's
harder
et
cetera
Etc.
So
there
is
an
advantage
there,
Brownfield
Redevelopment
some
Energy
Efficiency,
some
sustainability
pieces
in
here,
Universal
Design,
building
in
a
non-qualified
census
tract.
So
the
idea
here
is
like
we
want
you
to
build
where
we
don't
want
to
concentrate
affordable
housing
all
in
certain
census
tracks,
let's
spread
it
all
over
our
city
and
then
there's
some
some
rehab
points.
F
And
the
transportation
I
didn't
cover
that,
but
transportation
amenity
would
be
like
you're
really
close
to
a
grocery
store,
you're
really
close
to
schools.
I
feel
like.
If
you
qualify
for
that
through
schools,
then
you
have
to
you
should,
and
the
policy
doesn't
say
this,
but
you
should
be
providing
you
know,
units
that
are
more
than
one
bedroom
right
like
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
one
bedrooms
and
you're
next
to
a
school
and
you're,
going
to
count
that
that
doesn't
job.
You
know
it
doesn't
make
sense.
F
So
the
approval
process
staff
reviews
the
application
we
review
it
with
the
applicant
prepares
a
report.
We
take
it
to
hcd
and
then
we
take
it
to
finance,
and
then
we
take
it
to
city
council
and
if
it's
approved
we
have
a
deed
restriction
and
there's
also
a
program
Grant
agreement
that
we
also
do
with
them
and
those
can
be
transferred
to
a
new
owner
like
if
a
development
decides
to
sell
that
you
know
that
agreement
goes
with
it's
with
the
land.
It's
like
almost
like
a
conditional
zoning.
F
So
we
start
you
know
legal
starts
drafting
these
agreements.
We
execute
them
before
the
project
is
built,
so
this
is
where
the
the
interesting
part
is.
So,
let's
say
you
have
a
project
and
you
estimated
it's
going
to
be
worth:
26
million.
That's
how
count
Buncombe
County
is
going
to
assess
it.
It
used
to
be
that
County
Assessors
were
willing
to
make
these
estimates
and
they
don't
want
to
make
those
anymore.
So
we're
a
little
bit.
It's
a
little
bit
murky
and
so
Council
approves
a
value
and
that's
the
maximum.
F
So
let's
say:
if
Council
we
do
the
calculation,
let's
say
you're
getting
a
grant
of
a
hundred
thousand
for
20
years.
That's
two
million
dollars,
total
Grant
value
right.
Your
project
is
going
to.
The
value
is
going
to
go
up
over
time.
Your
taxes
will
go
up
over
time,
but
we
are
not
scaling
that
we're
not
saying
yeah,
we'll
pay
your
taxes,
no
matter
how
high
they
go.
We're
not
doing
that.
Council
is
only
agreeing
to
that
Grant.
We
don't
have
the
authority
to
go
over
and
above
what
council
has
approved
right.
F
So
if,
if
somebody
was
in
kind
of
exigent
circumstances
and
said
look,
this
has
been,
they
could
come
back
and
request
a
different
agreement.
I
haven't,
we
haven't
seen
that
happen,
I
think
only
in
the
last
year
or
two
have
we
seen
this
uptick
in
this
and
I.
Think
it's
I,
don't
I
think
it's,
because
how
the
points
are
now
calculated
before
the
agreements
were
maybe
four
years
or
seven
years
now,
they're,
you
know
16
17,
18,
20
21
year
long
agreements
or.
F
And
that's
money
we
won't
have
to
do
other
things
with,
but
it's
important,
affordable
housing
is
important.
I'm,
not
saying
it's
not
so
you
know
this
is
budgeted
every
year.
We,
you
know
it's
in
our
budget
as
kind
of
coming
out
of
our
our
taxes,
so
we
work
very
closely
with
Finance
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
make
sure
that
we're
you
know
we'll
have
adequate
resources.
So
I
have
a
quick
case.
Study.
I
know
some
of
you
have
seen
this.
F
Do
you
want
me
to
keep
going
through
this?
Yes,
okay,
so
this
on
22
long
should
221
long
shoulders
was
186.
Apartments
is
all
affordable,
rentable
square
footage,
100
percent.
F
They
committed
20
of
their
units,
which
was
37
rental
apartments
to
be
affordable
at
80
or
below,
and
they
had
a
mix
of
one
bedrooms
and
Studios.
A
And
I'm,
going
to
put
a
quick
Aster
can
I
believe
just
for
your
example.
I
think
that
changed
was
something
that
ran
through.
That
was
from
a
discussion
in
our
committee,
like
just
an
example
of
like
when
it
was
originally
presented.
It
was
Studios
we
when
that
application
came
through
and
we
discussed.
We.
A
They
decided
to
adjust
that
on
their
own,
but
you
know
just
an
example
of
kind
of
like
that
that
discussion
and
how
we
weren't
actually
one
because
this
will
we
don't
formally
review
the
weeds
applications,
but
because
we
were
allowed
to
discuss
it.
We
brought
up
a
point
that
the
developer
did
just
an
application
right.
F
F
I
F
Know
if
they're
going
to
apply
for
a
Luigi
or
not
so
this
was
the
points
they
qualified
for
20
points
for
affordability.
Again,
that's
just
that
Baseline!
You
have
to
do
to
get
in
the
program.
10
points
for
rental
assistance,
five
points
for
housing,
one
person
on
the
homeless
by
name
list;
so
that's
something
that
we
coordinate
with
Homeward
Bound
and
maybe
there's
another
agency
as
well.
But
I've
worked
with
Emily
ball
a
little
bit
on
this
and
we
make
sure
that
that's
it's
a
good
fit
for
that
person
and
for
the
landlord.
F
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
going
to
be
successful,
10
points
for
location,
it's
very
close
to
the
Ingalls
and
the
schools,
20
points
for
Energy,
Efficiency
and
solar
panels.
There's
no
minimum
system
size
for
solar
panels
right
now.
That
needs
to
for
me
that
I
think
that
needs
to
be
Quantified
a
little
bit
like
what
are
we
looking
for
when
we
see
that
10
points
for
Universal,
Design
and
10
points
for
a
non-um
qualified
census
tract,
so
they
qualified
for
17
years,
and
this
is
just
kind
of
the
numbers
so
sure
so.
D
F
Don't
think
it
creeped
in
I,
think
and
I
wasn't
here
around
this
policy.
I
actually
used
to
be
on
Stacy
the
sustainability
committee,
when
I
wasn't
on
staff
and
I
think
there
has
been
a
goal
of
like
let's
interweave,
just
like
with
everything,
Equity
sustainability,
affordable
housing.
We
want
to
weave
all
these
things
through
everything
so
that
it
is
a
goal
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
always
work,
obviously,
for
a
housing
developer,
so.
F
D
F
F
The
numbers,
so
this
property
was
paying
13
579
every
year
on
vacant,
I
think
it's
mostly
vacant
land.
There
might
have
been
a
house
or
two
I,
don't
remember
they
estimated
26
million,
which
would
be
104.
So
we
subtract
the
13.
We
get
to
91
300
a
year
estimate
for
17
years,
which
was
1.5
million.
B
F
If
they
build
the
project
and
it
gets
assessed
by
the
tax
office-
and
it's
only
worth
20
million
and
their
tax
bill
is
less
they
don't
they
don't
get
to
like
cash
in
extra
money
right.
It's
it's
based
on
your
tax
bill.
So
how
it
works.
Is
they
pay
their
taxes?
Then
they
give
us
the
receipt.
We
make
sure
they're
meeting
their
requirements
and
then
we
can
pay
Grant
it
back.
M
I'm
just
noted,
but
if
we
say
a
project
is
approved
for
Luigi,
but
then
the
affordability
I,
like
the
amount
of
units
of
affordability,
changes
whatever
reasons
like.
Oh
development
policy
can't
afford
to
to
have
that
many
units,
and
so
that
shifts
how
does
it
impact
this
commitment
to
them
to
their
outcomes?.
F
Sure
so,
there's
a
couple
couple
things
so
there's
projects
that
have
to
get
approved
from
zoning
to
zoning
projects
have
to
get
approved
by
Council
and
projects
that
don't
so
for
counsel
for
projects
that
get
approved
like
this
is
a
CZ
conditional
zoning.
F
D
Do
you
track
it
so
by
God
you
know,
38
units
are
supposed
to
be
affordable
and
I've
rented
out
seven
at
market
rate.
How
do
you
know
they
did
that.
A
F
I,
don't
know
what
staff
has
done
in
the
past.
I
know:
Kevin
Kevin's
been
working
kind
of
like
on
what
should
this
look
like
I
think
you
know,
because
it's
monitoring
is
luige
Housing
Trust
Fund,
conditional
zonings
that
don't
have
any
money
in
them.
So
sometimes
we
also
have
a
number
of
projects
that
just
made
that
promise
it's
in
their
deed
restriction,
but
they
didn't
get
any
money.
So
we're
also,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
units
typically.
C
If
they've
gotten,
a
Louise
they've
also
have
that
that
requirement
of
a
CZ
where
they've
made
that
commitment,
correct
any
project
with
50
or
more
would
have,
has
to
go
to
City
50
or
more
units
total
units
not
affordable
units,
but
total
units
goes
to
city
council.
So
the
vast
majority
of,
like
these
large
apartment
complexes,
if
they've
promised,
then
they
have
to
be
held
to
doing
that.
M
Apartment
I've
got
78
weeks
and
I
say:
50
is
going
to
be
a
Bill.
How
do
y'all
know
and
then
like
rent
rooms
like
I,
do
like
I
got
a
project
I'm
working
on
that
so
I
I
do
the
railroads
right,
I,
cracked,
it
on
my
extension
right
yeah,
but
if
there's
no
documentation
that
they
have
to
submit
like
about
you,
they
get
documentation
from
Alvin
of
the
voucher
that,
like
are
like,
are
y'all
collecting
documentation.
M
How
do
you
know
like
that
is
Affordable
units
and
it's
not
something
that's
just
being
produced
when
we
have
such
a
crisis,
you
see
what
I'm
saying
like
I
I
just
be
trying
to
figure
out
like
what
is
that
I
like
how
to
really
track
it?
What
are
they
submitting
outside
of
a
rent
roll
that
meets
the
criteria
to
ensure
that
we're
at
they're
actually
doing
what
they
committed
to.
M
B
M
H
Sure
we're
in
the
process
of
putting
together
a
new
compliance
program
for
all
of
the
programs
that
she's
discussed
and
we'll
we'll
be
as
the
pro
the
plan
currently
exists,
we
will
be
requesting
leases.
M
H
Well,
as
a
sampling
of
10
and
5
to
look
at
income
verification,
we're
also
going
to
be
as
a
plan
according
to
currently
exists.
We'll
also
be
asking
for
how.
H
How
often
are
they
communicating
with
the
housing
authority
and
going
to
the
annual
meetings
that
the
Housing
Authority
has
to
demonstrate
how
the
voucher
program
works
and
could
work
as
well
as
we're
going
to
be
asking
for
or
apply
it
ask
for
waiting
lists
for
the
affordable
units
and
we're
also
going
to
be
asking
for
them
to
submit
either
invoices
or
proof
that
in
their
advertising
for
their
apartment
developments
that
they
say
we
have
such
and
such
apartments
available
for
people
that
are
very
at
a
particular
income
level,
and
we
do
accept
ance.
H
F
Thank
you
sure,
yeah,
so
I
think
I
covered
everything.
Here
we
do
look
at
the
subsidy
per
unit,
we
kind
of
say
that
1.5
million
divided
by
those
number
of
units.
What
is
that
it's
just
a
measure?
There's
not
a
specific
I
mean
80
000
is
the
cap
we've
been
using
for
Luigi,
and
then
you
know
after
the
period's
over
what
we
will
be
getting
back
likely
to
be
more
I
guess
so.
Here's
a
summary
of
what's
been
approved
so
far,
so
approximately
157
Apartments
have
been
built.
F
F
So
that's
where
we
are
so
this
part
you
may
already
know
so
we
don't
you
know
re-looking
at
this
policy.
I
want
to
do
it
a
little
bit
more
thoroughly
than
we
did.
Housing
Trust
Fund
policy.
F
C
The
the
what
I
saw
like
I
worked
on
a
good
many
of
those
and
I
think
only
two
of
them
were
before
the
point.
Change
and
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
Paul's
input
on
that,
but
I
understood
that
it
was
when
all
of
a
sudden
the
policy
allowed
them
to
show
something
for
more
than
10
to
12
years.
F
M
The
78
units
that
projects.
F
F
Not
really
I
mean
radlocks
was
approved
probably
six
years
ago,
or
you
know,
I
mean
that's
been
in
the
works
for
a
long
time.
Ashland
Cox,
yes,
is
newer.
That
was
like
late
2019
I,
think
that
went
through
the
approval
process,
so
yeah
rad
Lofts
and
before
the
older
projects,
Ashland
Cox
is
now
kind
of
in
a
standstill,
but
that's
a
newer
project
in
66
long
shoals
I
think
was
approved
in
early
21,
maybe
or
20
early
22.
F
So
Collier
actually
call
your
apartments
is
actually
an
old
one
hasn't
been
started
at
all.
It's
just
and
that's
the
same
developer
as
Ashland
Cox
and
yeah.
The.
F
A
Hilliards,
the
micro
yes,
so
of
the
like
there's,
because
this
is
this-
this
says
a
lot
of
this
chart.
You
know
and
you're
right
yeah.
This
is
probably
really
it.
A
More,
like
2018
2022.
sure
the
two
examples
like
so
that
Ashland
Cox
one,
that's
the
that's
the
parking
garage
that
stalled
right.
I
A
I
F
F
Is
not
a
part
of
conditional
zoning?
The
affordability
commitment
is
a
part
of
it
yeah.
So
it's
like
a
two
you're
kind
of
double
obligated,
yeah
and,
and
they
approve
that
conditional
zoning
after
they
approve
the
Luigi,
so
they
kind
of
approved
it
with
the
understanding.
You
know
they
kind
of
approved
them
together.
So.
A
A
F
By
right
project
you
just
wouldn't
get
any
money
right,
you
would
not
get
any
payments
and
there
is
that
deed
restriction,
I'm,
not
sure
of
the
exact
consequence.
With
that.
K
Us
and
I
think
it's
concern
and
what
you
know.
What
ultimately
would
happen
next
right
and
documents,
and
we
do
a
sampling,
not
as
many
afford
is
the
remedy.
As
we
talk
about
amending
the
policy,
I
think
making
that
clearer,
you
know.
Certainly
we
don't
want
to
discourage
development,
but
we
also
do
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
you
his
resource
that
the
city
could
not
spend
on
other
projects,
but
on
yours
right
that
you
follow
through
with
it
and.
F
C
And
I'm
sorry
I
misspoke
a
second
ago
about
50
units
because
in
the
CBD
that's
not
so
all
of
these
up
here,
czs
except
you've
got
like
three
that
are
level
two.
So
some
of
these
level
twos
that
got
enough
like
360
Hilliard,
it
got
a
Luigi,
but
if
it
it
doesn't
have
a
deed
restriction
to
do
the
affordable.
But
it.
F
C
F
Yeah,
thank
you
for
yeah,
the
cbd's
a
little
different,
so
I
think
it's
kind
of
like
all
on
the
table.
In
a
way
for
this
policy,
it
can
be
a
little
painful
to
look
at
every
single
thing.
It
might
be
helpful
to
say
we
these
things
are
working
and
we're
not
going
to
touch
them.
You
know
what
are
the
things
we
really
want
to
concentrate
on
the
you
know.
Hcd
didn't
happen
in
January,
so
we
did
not
have
a
discussion
with
them
about
it.
F
Barry's
coming
on
February
8th
to
discuss
your
annual
report
with
them
and
I
think
it's
also
opportunity
for
for
Barry.
We
had
a
long
conversation
last
month
about
this
about
you
asking
you
all
asking
like
what
do
you
all
counsel?
What
do
you
want
us
to
look
on
in
terms
of
luige?
What
do
you
want?
A
hack
to
look
at
I
also
think
it's
an
opportunity,
though,
for
ad
hack
to
give
advice
right.
That's
your
role,
here's!
F
What
we
think
should
be
you
know,
would
just
it's
a
conversation
that
will
keep
making
sure
it
gets,
communicated
back
and
forth.
Don't
want
to
rush
through
this
process.
Want
to
make
sure
kind
of
we're
meeting
with
developers,
Community
stakeholders
and
internal
City
staff
too,
because
we
work
with
other
departments
on
this,
so
I've
kind
of
laid
out
a
general
timeline
for
this
and
I
think
I
put
it
into
your
calendar
work
plan.
That's
the
next
item.
So
there
was
a
discussion
at
finance
committee
about
it.
In
January,
I
was
not
there.
F
This
are
some
of
the
things
they
talked
about,
that
they
were
interested
in
in
hearing
more
about
sustainability
and
that
that
committee
is
the
mayor,
councilwoman
Maggie,
Allman
and
councilwoman
Kim,
Rooney
rental
assistance,
interest
and
voucher
acceptance
for
100
of
housing
units
public
reporting.
So
some
of
the
same
things
we've
discussed
today
cost
benefit
analysis.
F
And
data,
so,
let's
see
so
these
are
some
of
the
questions
we
had
outlined
that
we
wanted
to
take
to
hcd
and
they
they're
kind
of
the
same
questions
for
you
all
too
I
think
and
that's
kind
of
you
know.
My
next
slide
is
like
what
do
you?
What
would
you
if
you
want
to
talk
about
it
for
now
or
not?
If
we
want
to
move
on?
A
A
A
So
to
get
that
or
you
know
to
get
that
direction,
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
like
what
we
as
a
committee.
What
are
the
questions
that
we
want
to
know
and
how
to
how
would
we
gauge
what
how
do
we
ask
the
right
questions
to
see
what
they
want
us
to
work
with
their
support
on,
so
we're
not
working
on
things.
A
A
A
You
know
I,
don't
think
we
necessarily
need
you
know
we're
being
told
there
is
we
know
there?
Is
you
know?
What
are
our
questions?
We
would?
How
should
this
be,
you
know
adjusted
or
does
it
need
to
be
adjusted
such.
J
M
Be
looked
at
I
like
that
second
question:
what
are
the
particular
areas
of
focus?
That
is
a
staff,
but
maybe
the
ACD
part
should
should
be
focused
enough
space
that
as
long
as
you
policy,
that's
what
we
have
most
of
that
conversation.
What
do
they
see?
M
That
IRL
is-
and
you
know,
I
mean
as
we
have
that
conversation
with
things
that
they
want
us
to
be
considered,
as
we
have
a
conversation
around
the
center
policy,
but
because
their
vision
is
like
they
got
some
number
three
questions
on
the
optimal
outcomes
and
vision
that
the
that
they
feel
that
the
Liberty
policies
seeking
to
address
which
will
help
guide
our
conversation.
As
we
talk
about.
M
A
And
what
they
would
pursue
some
things
that
I-
and
you
know
the
conversations
I
know
that
we've
had
over
the
past-
that
you
know
I
would
think
that
I
would
like
we
would
bring
up.
If
we
wanted
is
definitely
this
unit
the
unit
size
like
that's,
definitely
something
that's
come
and
it
might
be
I
don't
know
if
there
is
and
to
know
like
in
the
audit
process
or
in
the
return.
The
reports
like
we
saw
those
those
unit
numbers.
How
many
of
those
like
are
they
all
Studios
and
one
bedrooms?
A
M
What
is
their
perception
of
whether
solar
panels,
energy,
like
if
that's
a
focus
area
that
played
right
into
it,
was
current
like
what?
What
do
they
stand
under?
What
does
that
look
like
for
them?
You
know
what
I
mean
and
how
they
see
is
that
whale
in
this
process
of
points.
B
D
D
So
I
think
the
points
Matrix
needs
to
be
reevaluated,
because
people
are,
though
it
gets
more
points.
Leading
more
tax
breaks,
correct
and
allows
you
to
sort
of
decrease
your
focus
on
affordability,
towards
some
of
the
other
factors
and
get
the
same
amount
of
to
get
not
a
depreciable.
Decreasing
your
tax
break
over
the
years.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I'd,
say
pretty
much
anything
I
mean
I'd,
say
the
Energy
Efficiency
is
probably
more
appropriate
for
about
like
for
reusive
spaces,
I
mean
almost
any
building
built.
Now
the
efficiency
of
it
built
to
code
is
Way
Beyond.
Anything
that
was
built
eight
years
ago,
like
so
I
mean
I,
would
have
missed
it's,
and
it's
like
it's
a
funny.
Little
like
I.
Think
in
zoning.
There's
a
there's,
a
sustainability
bonus
in
zoning
that
to.
A
Has
never
been
used,
but
I
could
be
wrong,
but
sustainability.
F
B
I
N
M
Well,
when
that
project
came
to
see,
Ashley
was
like
that.
Initially
that's
what
we
was
having
a
conversation
like.
Why
are
they
here
and
doing?
And
these
are
the
units
and
like
that
was
really
a
part
of
going
to
Jesus,
because
we
had
this
house
before
we
had
the
conversation
about
and
we
pushed
back
on,
so
they
made
adjustments
to
spread
it
out,
because
one
thing
you
don't
want
discrimination
and
Housing
and
Development.
You
know
what
I
mean:
that's
like
segregation
of
human
communities.
M
M
A
Studio
units
that
were
presented
with
the
affordable
ones-
and
we
said
hey
we
can't
have
like
and
there
wasn't
anything
in
the
policy,
but
we
we
said
hey,
you
really
shouldn't-
have
one
single
class
of
units
that
you're
calling
affordable.
So
they
should
be
the
same
I,
don't
know
if
the
location
was
different.
I
think
it
was
more
like.
Don't
just
do
like.
Don't
just
do
the
studio
it's
affordable
if
you're
doing.
B
E
B
M
F
D
D
D
And
that's
where
and
we
just
end
up
chasing,
we
end
up
Feathering
a
landlords
or
Developers
project.
H
L
D
F
F
To
that
was
under
consideration,
maybe
he
had
comments
from
Council
Members
I'm,
not
sure,
but
making
mandating
like
kind
of
that
inclusionary
Outreach
and
then
the
other
thing
he
wanted
to
include
was:
how
do
you
calculate
somebody's
credit
worthiness?
He.
F
L
D
A
I
think
that
the
data
from
that
the
data
would
be
really
important
because
I
hear
it
same
brand,
but
actually
about
for
a
one
bedroom,
a
voucher.
A
voucher
will
pay
the
landlord
more
rent
than
renting
it
at
an
80.
What
maximum
rent
can
be
80
for
a
one
bedroom,
I
think
a
voucher.
The
voucher
payments
higher
so
I
would
like
so
there's
a
benefit
for
accepting
a
voucher
for
one
bedroom
floor
Studio
over
charging,
maximum
rent,
I'm.
M
F
The
Housing
Authority
has
it
and
they've
got
several
people
and
I've
spoken
with
a
woman
who
actually
crunches
the
data
every
month
and
she's
watching
them,
and
they,
you
know
they're
very
cognizant
of
when
they
release
vouchers,
and
you
know
all
these
different
things
that
are
going
into
the
system,
because.
F
Of
people
looking
for
vouchers
is
going
down
and
I
was
interpreting
that
as
like.
Oh
you
know,
Thrive
is
being
successful
or
Homeward
bounds
being
successful,
and
that's
not
what
that's
about
that's.
That's
the
number
of
people
actively
looking,
but
they
also
are
very
careful
about
how
many
they
release
at
a
time.
So.
F
That
aren't
looking
for
a
voucher,
so
the
waiting
lists
are
another
thing.
There's
just
there's,
there's
a
lot.
F
A
B
A
How
to
put
it
like
right
now.
Luigi
is,
if
you
say,
you're
doing
it
for
20
years
you're
committing
and
it's
a
deep
restriction
for
20
years.
Smaller
projects,
smaller
developers
are
more
likely
to
try
it
if
they
say
Hey.
You
know
if
it's
like.
Okay
I
need
to
see
if
this
works
for
us,
so
if
I
own
a
duplex
and
I'm
willing
to
say
I'm,
going
to
write
one
unit
out,
affordable
and
one
not
and
then
get
to
Louise
just
for
the
years,
you're
keeping
the
program.
A
A
And
that's
been
I
know,
that's
been,
you
know,
that's
been
something
that
I've
discussed
with
Kate,
you
know
with
with
Thrive
about
that.
It
discourages
smaller
landlords
from
it,
because
it's
hard
enough
to
convince
smaller.
You
know
smaller
landlords
to
try
this
out
and
if
we
had
more
flexibility
in
the
program
that
said,
okay
well
for
the
years,
the
years
you're
doing
this,
you
can
get
the
rebate
for
the
you
know.
If
you,
if
this
doesn't
work
and
you
opt
out,
then
you
just
don't
get
that
you
don't
get
the
rebate,
but
we're
not.
A
We
don't
have
our
teeth
in
the
deed
restriction
and
that's
that's
been
something
you
know
that
deed
restriction
is
definitely
would
has
discouraged
smaller
developers
and
what
it
feels
like
it
has,
and
that
might
be
a
good
way
to
study.
You
know,
look,
these
are
all
larger
projects.
There
haven't
been
any
smaller
projects
and
then
to
talk
with
some
of
the
smaller
project,
ones
to
whether
they
just
didn't
think
about
it
or
whether
they
realized
yeah
I'm.
Just.
B
E
F
H
F
Think
it's
the
same,
because
we
also
have
to
be
super
careful
about
how
much
of
our
tax
base
we're
yeah
not
going
to
happen,
and
that
there's
going
to
be
a
real
limit
on
that
and
that's
where
Finance
comes
in
and
says:
okay,
this
is
the
number
per
year
we
can
above
that's
too
much
like
it
puts
us
for
all
the
other
services
that
people
depend
on.
It
puts
us
in
a
hard
position:
s
that's.
A
What
requires
some
analysis,
I
guess,
I!
Think
that's
what
we've
asked
in
the
past.
You
know
in
the
past,
like
because
we've
said
that
we
need
to
have
lesser
lesser
length,
restrictions
or
literally,
what
is
the
penalty?
What
does
this
really
look
like
if
I've
got,
if
I'm,
building
a
four-plex
and
I'm
going
to
rent
two
out,
affordable
and
two,
not
and
after
two
years,
I
decide
I,
don't
want
to
do
this?
A
What
what
teeth?
What's
really
left
on
like.
B
A
E
A
You
know
that's
when
I
what
I
think
of
the
things
that
they've
been
recurring
conversations
and
committee
about
Louise
we've
been
definitely
in
this
unit.
The
unit
size,
The,
Meta
bedrooms
the
length
of
it
that
it
discourages
smaller
developers
from
stepping
into
the
arena
and
then
yeah.
That
kind
of
that
points.
Kind
of
that
points,
Matrix
that
you
know,
there's
some
things
that
are
just
everybody's
gonna
everybody's
gonna
check
that
you
know
everybody's
because
getting
energy,
you
know
it's
like
you
literally
get
paid
to
do
an
energy
you.
B
H
A
N
One
quick
question:
so
do
we
have
the
opportunity
to
give
you
more
specific
feedback
on
that?
The
bullet
point
scorecard.
F
A
All
right
all
right.
A
I
So
basically
I
tried.
This
is
very
dry.
I
F
The
number
one
one
and
at
the
one,
I
guess
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about,
is
updating
the
housing
plan
again,
I
want
to
take
that
word
update
out,
but
developing
a
new
housing
plan.
We
have
some
money
set
aside
for
it,
we're
looking
for
Grant
we're
applying
for
some
grant
money
to
supplement
that
the
way
I've
kind
of
been
this
is
my
pitch
speech
here.
So
the
housing
plan
would
be
kind
of
three
or
four
parts.
The
first
part
is
updating.
The
housing
needs
assessment,
which
we
haven't
done
for
three
years.
F
The
second
part
is
evaluating
the
tools
we
have,
and
so
there
is
a
question
in
my
mind.
You
know
the
Luigi
some
of
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
in
the
community
and
some
of
that's
all
going
to
feed
into
the
plan.
You
know
any
work
we
do
on
luige
here.
Thrive
has
got
a
grant
they're
looking
at
Equitable
outcomes
that
would
feed
into
it
reparations
commission
could
feed
into
this
plan
then.
So
what
are
we?
How
are
City
tools
working?
What
do
we
need
to
fix?
How
do
we
need
to
optimize
them?
F
Tweak
them
and
then
the
third
part
is
like
what
are
we
missing?
What's
not
here
right?
Do
we
need
to
have
a
fund
for
preserving
existing,
affordable
housing
for
buying
like
when
those
apartment
complexes
come
up
for
sale
and
you're
like
oh,
we
should.
The
city
should
buy
that
or
somebody
should
buy
it.
Should
there
be
a
fund,
that's
something
that
other
communities
have
started,
Chapel
Hills,
looking
at
it
too,
you
know
so
there's
there's
some
tools
that
I
think
we
don't
have
in
our
toolbox
and
then
the
fourth
part
is
what's
the
plan.
F
What's
our
five
to
ten
year
plan,
and
if
there
was
another
Bond,
how
would
we
use
that
money?
I
feel
like
it's
our
opportunity
to
kind
of
lay
a
road
map
for
that
and
include
the
community
in
that
include
all
the
stakeholders
in
that
plan,
and
that
would
be
a
year-long
that'd,
probably
be
a
year-long
process.
So
since
we
do
have
some
money
set
aside,
I
want
to
start
drafting
an
RFP
RFQ
in
the
next
months.
F
I've
talked
to
you
all
about
maybe
having
a
few
members
of
this
committee
be
kind
of
engaged
in
that
piece.
So
here
I
wrote,
you
know,
assistant
developing
the
rfqrfp
participate
in
the
selection
of
the
consultant,
helping
with
a
community
engagement.
There
I
didn't
put
like
oh
there'll,
be
a
steering
committee.
I,
don't
know
that
for
sure
there
may
be
if
there
was.
Obviously
a
hack
needs
to
be
involved
in
that
giving
feedback
on
the
plan
at
different
stages.
F
So
I
did
this
with
the
downtown
plan
back
in
2008,
I'd
come
to
the
downtown
commission
every
month
say
here's
where
we're
at
you
know,
and
they
would
give
feedback
when
it
was
appropriate
and
then,
when
we
get
there,
you
know
recommending,
hopefully
plan
adoption
to
hcd
and
Council
the
Luigi
one
we've
kind
of
discussed.
It
seems,
like
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
data
and
engagement
to
do
trust.
F
Fund,
I've
kind
of
pushed
into
summer
I
mean
there's
just
there's
a
lot
going
on
like
I
said
and
then
I
didn't
put
anything
for
participating
in
the
missing
middle
study.
Vadilla
is
here
to
give
you
all
an
update
during
our
updates,
so
that's
to
be
filled
in
and
there
may
be
some
other
things
that
they
may
be
engaged
you
all
may
be
engaged
in,
but
I
didn't
want
to
presume
anything
so
and.
F
Had
a
chance
to
look
at
this,
so
so
that's
where
I
got
to
and
then
last
thing
calendaring
items
I
was
thinking
you
know
if
you
all
want
to
sometimes
on
commissions,
we
said:
oh
here's
like
a
list
of
agencies
or
people.
We
want
to
come
talk
to
us
and
we
just
kind
of
schedule,
those
throughout
the
year
so
or
other
events.
So
that's
where
I'm
at
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
spend
more
time
on
this
next
month.
F
A
M
Do
have
a
question
and
we
are
looking
at
having
that
development
Forum
that
with
Developers
and
the
plan
well,
this
will
ever
be
a
number
five
on
this
calendar
just
like,
as
we
start
thinking
about
it
in
English,.
F
M
It's
okay,
okay,
let's
speak
louder!
Sorry,
the
development
form
I
was
mentioning
earlier.
I
think
is
going
to
be
important.
I
start
reevaluating.
M
F
I
guess
I
think
it
also
fits
into
like.
Would
you
want
to
do
a
developers?
Would
we
want
to
do
a
developers
form
and
that
fits
in
with
the
luige
policy
like
we
wanted
to
fit
into
all
these
other
things
right,
so
that
we're
kind
of
hitting
multiple
things
at
once
or
asking?
Maybe
it's
stall,
how
it's
maybe
the
information
we
pull
out
of
that
could
be
used
for
luige
and
Housing
Trust
Fund
and.
F
B
J
M
A
G
A
B
E
H
A
Then
it
kind
of
comes
together
in
the
meeting.
That's
that's
how
I
would
think
something
like
that
could
work.
G
Yeah
I
think
we
just
I
mean
so
engaging
you
know.
Getting
developer
input
around
the
league
is
the
third
Point
under
that
you
know
number
two
goal
that
has
a
you
know.
That's
time,
blocked
for
you
know
you
know
April
May
early
June.
G
So
if
we're
thinking
you
know
like
we,
we
just
need
to
sync
all
of
these
sync
all
these
different
activities
up
since
we
want
to
have
folks,
you
know,
want
to
gather
developer
input
via
the
developer
forum,
and
we
wanted
to
hit
this
time
Block
in
order
to
keep
this
project
on
track,
then
that's
when
we
scheduled
develop
ment.
That's
that's
the
advantage
of
having
everything
blocked
out
around.
G
F
A
K
We're
gonna
do
this.
Thank
you
so
much
Sasha
I
think
this
is
super
helpful
for
us
to
visualize
it
and
I
think
you
know
trying
to
assign
these
to
the
communities
we
have
and
maybe
looking
at
to.
E
K
Another
committee:
does
it
not
fit
into
one
of
those
something
we
should
talk
about,
given
that
we're
behind,
though
I
do
have
one
question:
is
there
anything
we
would
need
to
do
for
this
first
task,
I
mean
that's
in
the
first
quarter.
We
won't
meeting
until
March.
Are
you
looking
for
a
committee
or.
B
F
F
A
A
H
J
A
I
M
A
I
think
it's
a
good
guiding
document,
it's
similar
to
what
we
use
in
the
past
and
then
with
the
get
the
because
I
don't
see
the
file
in
here.
A
Right
any
other
game.
A
And
reports
since
vadilla's
here
I'm
going
to
move
him
to
the
top,
so
you
can
share
with
us
what's
going
on
with
the
physic
middle
study.
Thank
you.
O
Hi
everybody
vigila
savika,
with
planning
and
Urban
Design
before
I
kick
off
I
want
to
introduce
my
new
colleague,
Kendra
tashoma.
She
just
was
hired
with
us
about
a
month
ago
and
she'll
be
working
with
me
intimately
on
this
project.
So
Kendra.
If
you
don't
mind
coming
up
and
just
saying
a
few
words
about
who
you
are.
P
Thank
you
vadilla
good
morning,
everyone,
as
vadilla
mentioned,
my
name,
is
kandra
tashoma
and
I
am
here
by
way
of
the
city
of
Savannah
I
served
as
a
senior
planner
with
them
for
about
three
years
prior
to
that,
I
worked
in
Statesboro
as
a
city
planner
as
well
and
I'm,
originally
from
Washington,
DC
and
I'm.
Just
really
excited
to
be
here
and
I.
Look
forward
to
hearing
more
about
the
work
you
all
are
doing.
Thank
you.
O
Thanks
Kendra
so
update
on
the
missing
middle
housing
studies,
so
we
are
in
the
middle
of
contract
negotiation.
We're
our
highest
candidate
is
opticos.
Their
subconsultant
is
named
Cascadia
Partners
they're.
Both
firms
from
the
West
Coast.
O
We
are
excited
to
say
that
Sasha's
department
has
contributed
some
funds
to
allow
us
to
expand
our
budget
to
include
a
displacement
risk
assessment
which
we
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
fund
without
their
their
resources,
and
that
will
allow
us
to
have
a
more
thorough
investigation
on
the
vulnerabilities
possible
risks
and
any
downsides
that
could
result
in
rolling
out
regulatory
updates
that
liberalize
housing
so
that
any
parts
of
the
community
that
may
be
negatively
affected
will
better
understand
what
those
effects
may
be
and
to
what
extent
we
may
want
to
make
decisions
based
on
that
data.
O
O
O
Then
we
we
plan
to
go
to
City
Council
on
February
28th
to
have
our
contract
approved,
approved,
and
then
the
project
will
likely
kick
off
in
March
it'll,
probably
take
six
months
to
a
year,
probably
closer
to
a
year,
so
that
we
can
have
sort
of
a
robust
Outreach
and
engagement
process
and
I.
Guess
that's
the
summary.
For
now
a
couple
things
I'll
mention
that
we
plan
to
have
a
steering
committee.
O
So
if
you
all
want
to
talk
about
who
in
a
hack
would
be
appropriate
to
be
on
that
steering
committee,
that
would
be
great.
We
will
will
still
likely
come
to
ahac
for
regular
updates,
even
if
you
want
the
monthly,
but
the
steering
committee
would
be
sort
of
the
formal,
more
broad-based
Coalition
of
various
members
to
sort
of
help,
arbitrate
decisions
and
and
directions
as
they
come
up.
F
O
O
O
A
The
scope,
so
it
would
be
in
the
contract,
like
the
actual
the
scope
of
the
Committees
of
that
they're
working
on,
will
be
without
me
in
the
contract.
That
would
be
like
just
so
it's
clear,
because
I
know
we've
had
like
the
way
I
just
think
about
the
Thrive
one,
because
it
was
kind
of
a
little
fuzzy
like
what
exactly
they're
working
on
from
what
the
scope
was.
So
it
will
be
very
like
when
will
we
know
exactly
what
the
clear
scope
of
what
this
consultant
is
doing
is
yeah.
O
We
were
finalizing
that
now,
it'll
that'll
be
made
public
and
I
think
the
general
scope
I
think
you
all
know,
but
basically
they'll
be
investigating
our
current
housing
policies
and
trying
to
find
more
comprehensively.
What
are
the
barriers
and
to
help
us
understand
and
prioritize
the
best,
the
best
things
that
we
can
do
to
focus
on
changes
to
those
regulations
to
reduce
the
barriers
to
allow
for
more
missing
middle
housing,
which
is
like
duplex,
Triplex,
Cottage
Court.
You.
B
A
I'm
getting
reached
out
to
there's
a
lot
more
Buzz
now
about
the
state.
You
know
about
the
state,
taking
a
role
in
actually
creating
creating
some
affordable
housing
rules
that
based
on
like
West
Coast
California
changes.
A
You
know
up
here,
I'm
getting
I'm
getting
reached
out
to
more
and
more
about
that.
Like
the
past
couple
weeks,
I
think
they're
in
session
about
about
a
state,
affordable
housing
Bill
like
similar
to
the
one
that
was
brought
up
before
but
I'm
hearing,
there's
definitely
Buzz
going
around
right
now,
I'll
be
excited
to
see
where
that
goes.
A
All
right,
I
guess
we
can
roll
back
to
David.
You've
got
a.
K
K
Just
sit
here
and
try
to
keep
it
brief,
since
we're
a
little
behind
most.
H
K
You
are
probably
aware,
last
week,
the
nationalized
in
homelessness
was
in
town
to
present
their
report.
Dogwood
held
trust
that
sponsored
along
with
the
city,
to
do
a
comprehensive
sort
of
study
and
make
some
recommendations
on
how
to
move
forward
to
deal
with
the
growing
homeless
population
in
Asheville,
West,
North
Carolina.
So
last
Wednesday
they
presented
to
both
city
council
members
and
commissioner
County
Commissioners
and
made
a
list
of
recommendations
that
would
decrease
almost
by
50
percent
by
2025,
and
so
it's
a
very
ambitious,
very
detailed
plan.
They
spend
a
lot
of
time.
K
K
Think
it's
just
important
to
remember
that
you
know
the
last
recommendation
is,
of
course,
to
look
at
affordable
housing.
You
know
they're
they're
not
always
related,
but
we
know
in
places
where
there's
increased
homelessness.
It's
directly
related
to
the
amount
of
affordable
housing
right.
Chicago
has
less
homeless
people
one
as
a
percentage
than
Seattle
right.
H
K
D
N
K
Into
pretty
pretty
specific
detail,
it's
like
10
pages
of
this,
so
that'll
be
my
2023.,
but
so
you
I
think
so.
I
should
link
those
documents.
The
first
one
is
to
restructure
the
Continuum
of
Care
board
and
gets
the
county
to
hire
staff
to
that's
dedicated
to
this
issue.
You
know
the
city
has
Emily
ball.
Has
now.
Has
the
staff
has
four
people
helping
her.
H
K
K
K
Better,
it
is
for
that
family
and
preventing
long-term
homelessness,
so
we're
also
going
to
improve
data
quality.
That's
goal
number
four.
If
you
have
some
good
data,
but
a
lot
of
it,
you
know
we
did
a
point
in
time.
Count
Tuesday
a
lot
of
our
methods
for
collecting
data
are
not
the
best,
not
the
most
accurate
again,
and
so
we're
going
to
work
on
that,
and
also
part
of
the
sharing
of
the
data
will
help
address
that
and.
K
J
D
So
the
report
that
was
in
the
file,
if
there's
a
good
summary
on
page
seven
of
that
report,
that
goes
through
the
state
of
affordable
housing
in
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County,
it's
good
I,
think
everyone
should
review
that.
It
just
gives
a
good
recap
of
where
we
are
as
a
community
in
the
shortage
of
housing.
J
Sasha,
when
are
we
getting
the
we're
reaching
back
out
to
Patrick
Bowen
to
do
another
needs
assessment?
Well,.
F
A
Right
thanks,
Davis
I
saw
you
actually
walking
out.
I
saw
you
walking
with
a
yellow
vest
on
the
on
the
streets.
This
little
downtown
streets
with
I
saw
Kim
councilman
Roadie
you
yeah
Deborah
Campbell.
B
A
I
F
I
so
I
provided
your
annual
report
just
as
a
file
for
yours
as
a
resource
for
you
all,
so
you
can
see
the
final
version
fairy
and
Margie
and
Andy
all
looked
at
it.
Just
a
real,
quick
update
on
a
few
things.
Some
of
these
things
we
just
covered
about
the
report
point
in
time
we
had
over
80
folks
come
volunteer.
It
was
awesome
and
probably
better
than
you
know.
Every
year
it
gets
a
little
bit
better.
F
The
home
cdbg
application
deadlines
this
week
and
Housing
Trust
Fund
deadline
is
next
week.
We've
had
a
lot
of
interest,
sounds
like
a
lot
of
folks
are
applying
Staffing
updates,
since
you
all
want
to.
You
want
to
make
I
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware.
F
So
there
have
been
three
new
hires
in
January
that
have
come
on
board.
Miranda
Masters
is
a
home
ARP
analyst
in
the
Community
Development
Division
and
that's
a
whole
process
and
I
don't
fully
understand
it.
David
probably
knows
it
better
than
I
do,
but
there's
a
specific
funding
stream.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
funding
allocation-
that's
due
like
by
March,
for
it's
going
to
it's
going
very
fast,
so
they
did
Community
input
and
they're
they're
going
to
some
committee
reviews.
F
The
Home
Consortium
is
meeting
right
now
and
that's
why
Nikki's
not
here
the
homeless
strategy,
division,
Charles,
young
who's,
doing
all
the
data
pieces.
He
started
a
few
months
ago
and
Debbie
Alford
and
Catherine
Ellington
both
came
on
in
January,
so
they're
now
fully
staffed.
So
that's
a
great
thing.
So
this
is
the
positive
slide.
It's
all
positive.
F
Our
real
estate
coordinators
retiring
this
spring
after
many
years
of
service
and
Jonathan
Jones
has
just
taken
a
position
with
Buncombe
County.
So
yeah
it's
a
loss,
so
we
would
look
we're
going
to
post
these
positions
pretty
quickly.
We'd
love
your
help
in
getting
the
word
out
to
find
folks
to
to
replace
them,
and
so
Nikki
will
be
sorry.
Let
me
just
finish:
real
quick
Nikki
will
be
kind
of
stepping
in
for
Jonathan
and
taking
on
some
duties.
So
what
that
means
it
does
affect
everything
and.
F
M
F
An
interim
basis
I
mean
there's
discussions
about.
Do
we
need
you
know
we're
having
discussions
of
like
do.
We
need
somebody
who
can
just
come
in
to
help
us
with
this
piece
or
that
piece
like
on
a
very
interim
basis,
while
we're
listing
this
job
so
I
think
we're
looking
at
all
the
ways
to
make
things
go
as
smoothly
as
possible,
so
planning
the
Kendra
left.
But
yes,
so
kandra
joined
Ben
Woody's
interim
director
planning's
had
a
bunch
of
new
hires
which
is
exciting.
F
Jamie
Allen
who's,
a
native
of
Asheville,
is
Business
Services
administrator
clay.
Mitchell
is
urban.
Planner
II
in
current
planning
and
Kendra
tashoma
took
my
old
job
actually,
and
so
you
got
to
meet
her
and
she
is
awesome.
She's
super
sharp
on
the
date
oh
she's
like
getting
a
chance
to
do
the
things
I
always
wanted
to
do
so,
I'm
a
little
jealous
but
she's
on
the
data.
F
You
know
she's
really
interested
in
displacement
and
and
so
we're
having
conversations
about
that,
and
how
are
we
measuring
that
and
keeping
up
with
that
Ellie
gross
who
came
from
Utah
I,
believe
urban
planner
one
so
and
she's
got
some
great
skills
and
GIS
and
InDesign
so
planning's
doing
pretty
well.
I
B
F
B
J
B
J
F
I
F
A
So
GST
guys
the
one
thing
that
I'm
sure
next
to
put
as
a
recommendation
you
know
you
know
in
our
annual
report-
is
that
the
city
looked
at
to
where
we
you
know,
we
recommended
it
to
help
help
push
for
you
know
the
affordable
housing
director
role,
which
we
now
have
that
there'd
be
like
a
paired
role
or
designated
designated
person
for
that
in
development
services.
Because
there's
there
isn't
right
now,
and
there
was
so
that's
something
that
you
know
we
we
pushed
for
out
of
you
know,
and
our
annual
Recreation
and.
A
It
I
did
check
it
with
Ben,
because
in
the
past
it
was
supposed
to
like
it
was
never
exactly.
Was
it
funded
because
there
was
conversation
back
before
covet
of
them,
taking
one
of
their
staff
members
and
making
the
official,
affordable
housing
development
services,
Ombudsman
or
just
lead
person
on
that,
and
it.
A
Going
to
get
appointed
and
then
they
lost
you
know,
then
the
trickle
effect
happened.
They
lost
someone
and
that
never
happened
so
I
asked
them
was
that
funded
or
and-
and
he
said
it
wasn't
funded,
but
it
was.
It
was
designated
that
they
were
going
to
have
affordable
housing,
ombudsman
and
so
I.
Just
let
him
know
that
it's
a
conversation
that
we're
going
to
be.
You
know
bringing
up
again
that
way.
A
F
A
A
I
F
Question
I.
F
I
F
A
B
A
A
F
A
F
Well,
Chris
was
here:
he
could
tell
you
more
he's
on
the
team.
I
think
they
are
they're
working
towards
a
neighborhood
meeting
soon
and
the.
A
Right
through.
A
A
A
Set
up
initially
for
that,
so
I
brought
up
the
275
I
think
there
was
2,
so
I
had
to
go,
but
you
know
so:
I
brought
it
back
to
the
375
to
bring
it
up
to
I
think
it
was
11..
So
while
it
looked
like
for.
A
B
A
J
Many
reasons
I
did
see
where
some
of
the
the
closed
at
less
than
what
the
asking
price
was.
There
were
a
few
of
those
that
yeah,
which
is
good.
Oh.
H
B
H
A
You
know
say
close
to
I
know
like
a
like
a
kind
of
deeper
view
or
up
on
kind
of
Steward
Street
codes
to
Pisco
view
if
there's
any
new
new
things
or
things
for
sale.
Those
do
not
those
that's
where
the
prices
are
remaining
a
lot.
So
it's
very,
very
vocational
specific,
a
bit.
A
A
Because
the
next
next,
the
events
news
reminder:
yes,
it
is
the
I
know
the
border,
the
land
of
sky
is
working
about,
bringing
up
the
The
Joe
that
I
don't
know.
If
you
it's
really
interesting
what
they're
doing
and
it's
a
group
out
of
New
York
City,
so
I'd
recommend
looking
into
it
and.
F
F
A
Other
I
know
like
from
they
were
here
last,
though
lost
our
affordable
housing
committee
was
here
last
time
and
they're
really
looking
for
more
ways
to
engage
with
us
and
I
kind
of
remind
you
know
reminded
them
in
this.
You
know
a
good
example
of
the
makeup
of
our
committee.
You
know
we
do
have
a
Babs.
A
Is
our
real
estate
seat
and
we're
going
to
try
to
ask
her
to
be
more
involved
with
that
committee
because
they
really
want
to
stay
involved
and
they
didn't
have
it
had
that
so
they've
asked
for
ways
how
they
can,
how
they
can
stay
connected,
so
they're,
so
they're
working
on
Mission
they
are
and
they
are
working
on.
A
lot
star
is
working
on,
creating
that
in
an
affordable.
A
B
G
G
All
the
people
in
our
Workforce,
it's
just
when
we
start
talking
about
well,
there's,
affordable
housing
and
then
there's
Workforce
housing
like
the
people's
below
80
of
Ami
and
below
30
of
Ami,
aren't
a
part
of
our
Workforce
like
it.
Just
perpetuates
this
The
Stereotype
that
folks,
who
need
housing,
assistance
to
be
able
to
afford
a
decent
place
to
live,
are
not
contributing
members
to
our
community
and
Workforce
right.
So
that's
that's
my
I.
G
G
A
I
mean
I,
know,
I
mean
I,
really
appreciate
you,
bringing
this
attention,
keeping
it
and
I'm
trying
to
trying
to
help
and
getting
everything
in
the
things
that
I
do
outside
of
here,
help
craft
this
term
and
I
think
it's
going
to
take
all
of
us
saying:
okay,
this
is
what
it
is,
what
we're
calling
it
and
but
I
100
agree
with
you
and
I
appreciate
your
passion
behind
it.
Foreign.
I
J
Right
I
have
a
question:
I'll
just
ask
Sasha
did
the
city
staff
or
anybody
that
you
ran
into
have
any
reaction
to
newspaper
article
plastered
on
the
front
page
and
all
the
news
that
Asheville
is
the
number
one
worst
place
for
renters
in
North,
Carolina
and
number
five
in
the
entire
country?
Was
there
any
reaction
to
that?
Have
you
had
any
yeah.
A
B
A
But
it
was
a
little
the
way
it
was
worded.
It
was
a
little
yeah,
it
wasn't
like
it
sounds.
A
M
M
B
A
A
It's
definitely
that
there's
the
I
think
in
the
article
I
think
and
there's
definitely
been
a
discussion
with
like
people
like
Nathan
Ramsey,
that
the
that
companies
are
not
moving
here
now
and
and
concerned
about
expanding
their
companies
because
there's
not
there's
not
housing
for
their
employees.
You
know
for
employees
to
come
here,
not
for
you
know
not
even
affordable.
It's
like
affordable
for
any
income
level,
no
housing
almost
here
for
any
income
level,
any
realistic
income
level
yeah.
That's
a
big.
G
Since
I
I
already
broke
my
vow
to
not
get
on
my
soapbox.
H
G
I
wanted
to
reference
that
have
come
up
earlier
in
the
meeting
and
I
thought
we
were
going
to
get
back
to
him
and
since
we
disappoint
so.
G
Of
a
developer,
Forum
I,
have
you
know,
I'm,
very
supportive
of
getting
input
from
developers.
I
also
realized
that
you
know.
Half
of
the
members
of
this
committee
represent
real
estate
development,
Housing,
Development
interests
in
some
way
or
another,
there's
a
lot
more
access
to
the
development
Community
represented
in
this
committee.
If
we're
going
to
put
committee
time
and
staff
time
around
a
forum,
I
think
we
need
to
give
equal,
if
not
greater,
wage
toward
Gathering.
G
Input
input
from
low-income
stakeholders
around
keep
that
in
our
mind,
we
talk
developer
Forum.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
creating
incentives
that
work
for
developers,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
create
programs
that
work
for
the
folks
who
were
ultimately
most
affected
by
the
decisions
that
we
make.
So
that's
soapbox,
Point
number.
B
G
So
Box
Point
number
two,
maybe
I
missed
it.
Maybe
that
covered
it,
oh
in
the
when
we're
having
somebody
talk
to
us
next
month,
around
conflict
of
interest,
I
want
to
kind
of
reframe
that
and
maybe
get
somebody
from
the
the
city's
Cape
team
or
somebody
else,
who's
related
to
it's
really
more
about
the
perception
of
credibility
of
the
chair
of
this
committee
to
the
public.
If
they
as
much
as
it
is
about
actual
conflict
of
interest.
G
Can,
this
you
know,
can
this
committee
chair,
or
does
it
have
more
credibility
in
the
city
general
public?
If,
with
a
co-chair
model,
where
you
know
it's,
not
someone
who
again,
who
takes
funding
from
the
city
of
Asheville
to
do
development
work?
F
G
You
know
Janice
actually
come
in
and
say
you
know.
This
is
what
you
would
do
in
the
case
of
an
actual
conflict
of
interest,
because
I
feel
like
we
all
know
what
that
is,
but
it's
it's
more
the
question
of
how
do
we
enhance
the
credibility
of
this
community?
This
committee
is
a
voice
on
affordable
housing
in
how
we
select
the
leadership.
A
A
You
having
a
blue
effect
how
there
could
be
a
conflict
now
that
once
I
step
off
that's
going
to
change,
but
but
I
purposely
have
not
done
that
in
any
of
my
projects.
So
there
would
not
be
a
perceived
conflict
of
interest.
So
I
do
appreciate
how
important
that
is
because
yeah
we
talk
about
things
at
fun
projects
and
if,
if
the
committee
or
leadership
it's
taking
it
yeah,
it's
a
little,
it's
a
little
fuzzy
but.