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E
I'd
make
a
motion
to
continue
it
and
hear
the
informal
review
subject
to
time.
If
we
have
time
to
do
it.
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Okay,
I
will
move
it
to
the
end
of
the
agenda
and
our
the
form.
The
formal
review,
then
would
be
on
our
december,
and
I
believe
it's
the
december
16th
meeting.
Is
that
correct
sasha
it?
Yes
it
could.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
continue
it
to
a
date.
Certain
okay,
I
mean
we'll
just
advertise
for
whenever
we
do
it
again.
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H
Okay,
so,
as
the
commissioners
may
recall,
we
reviewed
this
informally
at
your
last
meeting,
and
this
is
a
little
bit
of
an
unusual
project.
At
least
it's
a
little,
it's
less
common
or
atypical
for
what
you
typically
see.
So
this
is
the
first
hotel
that
you
have
reviewed,
that's
outside
of
the
downtown
or
the
river
arts
district.
So
this
is
in
the
city's
newest
design,
review
overlay
and
it's
the
hotel
overlay.
H
Oh
excuse
me,
let
me
clarify
that
this
actually
is
not
in
the
overlay,
but
it
is
a
hotel
that
was
approved
right
before
the
hotel
moratorium,
which
ultimately
resulted
in
the
establishment
of
the
overlay.
So
this
was
a
conditional
zoning
that
was
approved
by
council.
H
I
think
back
in
2017,
2018
2018,
I
believe,
and
the
applicant
is
now
seeking
some
facade
changes,
some
design
changes
to
the
exterior
of
the
building
and
because
the
conditional
zoning
is
very
specific
and
saying
that
the
project
must
substantially
comply
or
be
consistent
with
the
approved
plans.
This
will
require
re-review
by
city
council.
So
this
is
on
course,
as
a
conditional
zoning
amendment.
H
This
these
design
changes
the
applicant's,
also
making
a
very
small
use
change
as
well,
so
that
will
also
be
reviewed
and
heard
by
council,
but
as
it
relates
to
the
design,
because
this
is
a
project
that
predated
the
establishment
of
the
design
guidelines,
but
is
post-dating
the
establishment
of
those
guidelines
by
its
amendment,
we
thought
it
was
just
a
good
idea
to
go
through
design
review,
so
the
design
review
standards
are
a
little
bit
different.
H
H
Material,
that's
all
efus.
We
do
have
some
other
materials,
though
we've
got
the
metal
screening
along
the
parking
garage
we've
got
with
with
potentially
some
green
screen.
We've
got
the
glass
that's
been
added
as
a
new
feature,
and
we
have
this
rough
cut,
stone
or
block
at
the
base
and
up
and
this
vertical
element
as
well.
H
So
the
extensive
use
of
ifis
was
one
of
the
items
that
the
commission
identified.
There
is
a
blank
facade
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
That
would
be
this.
The
side
which
that
is
the
south
side,
here's
the
north
side.
There
was
some
concern
about
that.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
sort
of
help
break
that
up
with
a
mural
of
some
kind,
and
I
think
I
think
these
windows
have
been
added
new
as
well.
H
There
was
some
concern
regarding
the
massing
related
to
the
cantilevered
portion
of
the
building.
I
believe
that's
this
section
of
the
building
that
was
being
referred
to
in
the
previous
design.
There
were
these
little
kind
of
skinny
posts
that
looked,
I
guess,
sort
of
insubstantial
to
support
that,
and
so
that's
been
sort
of
revived
or
revised
to
kind
of
take
those
elements
out.
H
The
mass
of
the
building
was
not
broken
up
enough
so
that
it
would
read
it
was
reading
as
a
single
long
building,
as
opposed
to
sort
of
different
buildings
that
were
attached,
and
I
think
there
have
been
some
revisions,
possibly
it's
this
material.
Maybe
that
now
comes
down
to
the
ground.
I'm
sorry.
H
I
couldn't
find
a
copy
of
the
the
rendering
that
we
reviewed
last
time,
so
I
couldn't
quite
recall
what
exactly
it
changed
and
then
there
was
a
recommendation
that
the
applicant
looked
at,
adding
some
ground
level
green
space
recommending
about
five
percent
the
side
elements
of
this
project
are
not
proposed
to
change
and
those
are
consistent
with
what
was
approved,
so
the
opportunity
for
adding
green
space
might
be
might
be
limited
so
because
these
design
standards
are
a
little
bit
different
than
what
the
commission
has
reviewed
before
I
went
through
and
just
as
a
reminder.
H
The
hotel
standards
are
basically
broken
into
three
sections.
There's
the
site,
design
standards,
the
building
design
standards
and
then
the
design
or
the
operational
standards
I
didn't
identify
or
or
kind
of
go
through
all
each
of
the
different
site
standards
since
we're
not
really
looking
at
the
site
for
this
particular
project
and
focused
on
the
building
design
standards.
H
So
I
kind
of
went
through
the
report
and
through
the
guidelines
and
sort
of
identified
which
of
those
guidelines
that
I
felt
like
were
being
satisfied
and
then
focused
on
the
ones
that
maybe
were
not
being
satisfied
or
were
only
partially
partially
satisfied
and
that
pretty
much
comes
down
to
materials,
lighting,
signage
and
the
blank
wall
so
materials.
We
talked
about
the
use
of
the
ephis
lighting
and
signage,
I
think,
was
probably
just
sort
of
a
prototypical
thing,
but
it
was
there
on
the
plan
I
felt
like.
H
H
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
Is
there
any
additional
site
plan
for
this
other
than
what's
shown
for
the
first
floor
plan
reason
I'm
asking
I
understand
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
leeway
to
change
green
space
elements,
but
there's
a
lot
of
stuff,
that's
being
shown
in
the
professional
renderings
that
really
isn't
shown
in
the
applicant's
drawing
right
now
and
a
couple
of
things
I'm
seeing
that
are
really
kind
of
off
their
property
that
look
good
in
the
rendering
and
probably
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
be
done,
but
just
curious.
D
H
It
doesn't
look
like
this,
I'm
not
sure.
Let
me
go
back
I'll
have
to
I'll
have
to
go
back
and
look
and
see
what
was
submitted
or
warren.
Do
you
have
a
copy
of
your
site
plan?
Would
you
maybe
you
want
to.
I
Hear
that
I
could
probably
pull
up
the
site
plan
from
previous
middle,
we
haven't
gone
and
made
a
new
site
plan
for
this
one,
because
of
what
shannon
was
mentioning
there
just
hasn't
been
much
in
the
way
of
changes
on
the
site.
Stephen
lee
you
had
mentioned
concerns
over
things
that
you
thought
were
off
property.
Is
that
a
specific
area.
D
Part
of
what
I'm
trying
to
do,
because
this
is
the
first
time
I've
seen
this,
I'm
trying
the
the
applicants
and
it's
not
your
site
plan,
but
the
site
plan.
I'm
looking
at
I'm
it's
a
little
difficult
to
see
exactly
where
this
project
is.
I
think
I've
just
figured
it
out.
D
I
H
D
So
that's
one
thing
that
I
think
would
be
important
to
show
up
as
a
part
of
design
review.
Are
the
exact
specifications
of
what
it
is
they're
planning,
because
what
we're
reviewing
right
now,
really
we
can't
comment
on
the
professional,
rendering
is
shows
some
really
nice
stuff,
but
we
all
know
how
that
works
sometimes,
and
I'm
actually
curious
about
how
this,
with
the
architecture,
how
this
green
planting
is
working
in
the
middle
of
the
building
and
what
their
system
is
proposed
for
that
a
lot
of
times.
D
These
are
shown
on
renderings
and
they
don't
get
installed
just
because
they're
tough
to
do.
But
if
the
architects
are
here,
the
rendering
the
rendering
shows
some
interesting
stuff
at
the
pedestrian
level
at
street
level,
but
it's
just
the
rendering.
So
to
me
that
doesn't
mean
anything.
It
needs
to
be
in
a
in
a
clear
drawing
like
expect
specified
containers
if
they're,
if
that's
part
of
their
alternative
compliance,
specified
containers
and,
frankly,
a
planting
plan
that
shows
what
exactly
is
going
to
happen.
There.
H
Because
this
is
a
an
amendment.
H
Only
what's
what's
being
considered
really
is
only
the
facade
changes,
so
we
can't
reopen
what
had
previously
been
approved.
J
I
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
hi,
I'm
erica
with
oda
architecture.
So
as
far
as
the
greenery
we're
looking
at
potentially
fake
greenery,
just
so
it
you
know
it's
green
all
year
round
versus
you
know
trying
to
keep
something
real
alive,
but
we
can
also
look
into
that
and
you're
correct.
We
haven't
really
got
into
the
the
details
on
that
and
with
the
planters
we
do
have
them
shown
in
the
rendering
but
you're
correct
as
well.
J
We
haven't
specified
any
plant
materials
or
specific
to
the
area
as
well
and
we'll
probably
need
a
landscape
architect
to
kind
of
help
us
with
that.
But
yes,
we
will
be
detailing
that
out
and
and
showing
that
when
we
get
further
into
construction
documents,
so.
D
That's
right
and
it's
that
you've
responded
to
my
question:
I'm
going
to
respond
but
and
not
to
draw
this
out
because
I
know
we
can't
really
comment
on
this,
but
given
it's
a
south
face,
I
would
strongly
encourage
no
fake
plants.
D
H
Just
I
did
pull
up
the
conditions
that
were
approved
as
part
of
this
project
and
conditions
number,
eight
and
nine
kind
of
refer
to
the
basic
landscaping
and
that
in
lieu
of
the
street
trees
there
are
six
large
planters
being
placed
along
biltmore
avenue,
and
then
I
had
also
here's
a
copy
of
the
approved
landscape
plan
for
this
project.
H
C
A
A
F
J
All
right,
can
you
guys
see
it
yep
perfect,
so
this
is
the
original
that
we
had
talked
about
last
month.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there's
nothing
sort
of
on
this
north
facade
and
then
this
this
block
wall
is
sort
of
you
know
just
completely
blank.
So
that
was
one
of
our
main
focuses.
Another
comment
that
breaking
up
the
facade
we
weren't
really
continuing
that
down
to
the
street,
so
we
have
since
updated
this
little
detail
here.
H
J
Yeah,
so
these
were
those
columns
you
had
mentioned
and
then
also
breaking
up
this
facade
as
well,
and
then
I
think,
that's
mainly
the
comments
that
you
guys
had
mentioned
earlier
that
seeing
this
versus.
J
So
you
can
see
we
kind
of
dressed
that
up
a
little
bit
with
adding
a
mural.
You
know
relevant
to
asheville
and
honestly.
I
know
I
mentioned
this
last
time,
but
I
love
this
site
because
I
drove
by
it
every
day
driving
to
av
tech,
because
I
grew
up
in
in
swannanoa,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
site
and
passionate
about
this.
So
anyone
else
have
any
more
questions.
H
I
just
have
a
comment
thinking
about
the
mural,
if,
if
this
is,
if
the
commission
agrees
that
that
is
a
good
treatment
for
that
side
of
the
building,
I
would
like,
for
you
guys
and
the
property
owner,
to
consider
an
updated
condition
regarding
the
mural
that
will
be
adopted
as
part
of
the
cz
amendment
that
that
describes
it
as
a
produced
by
like
a
local
artist,
or
you
know
some
some
language
like
that.
That
is
a
non-branded
non-residence
in
image.
You
know
something:
that's
local
and
authentically
artistic.
H
I
can
give
you
some
sample
language.
You
know,
after
this
hearing
that
that
we
could
consider.
A
I
wasn't
a
part
of
the
first
design
review
informal
review,
but
the
thing
I
noticed
was,
I
think,
the
pedestrian
experience
level
is
very
it's
just
not
very
friendly.
I
mean
you
have
the
cars
and
the
grills.
It's
really
not
a
pedestrian
experience.
I
would
ever
want
to
have
walking
along
that
that
sidewalk,
I
don't
know
if
that
ever
came
up
before
in
discussion,
but
I
find
it
very
abhorrent,
as
architecture.
A
J
And
we
can
definitely
look
at
that.
I've
shared
this
rendering
because
this
is
sort
of
as,
as
you
mentioned,
the
pedestrian
scale.
What
we
tried
to
do
since
the
main
lobby
of
the
the
hotel
is
actually
on
the
third
level,
and
this
was
because
the
original
design
had
three
levels
of
parking.
So
we
will.
We
were
able
to
sort
of
decrease
that
to
two
levels
and
add
the
lobby
to
that
third
level.
J
So
what
we're
doing
here
is
with
the
glazing
at
the
first
level,
you
can
sort
of
see
up,
and
you
know,
as
you
drive
by
there'll-
be
a
lot
of
activity,
so
that's
sort
of
how
we're
trying
to
incorporate
the
pedestrian
scale
along
that
that
corridor,
mainly
with
the
other,
the
original
design.
You
know
they
didn't
have
any
of
this
kind
of
glazing.
It
was
literally
just
a
block
wall
for
two
or
three
floors
and
had
some
openings
similar
to
what
we
have
shown.
J
So
we
hoped
that
you
know
adding
the
glazing
would
sort
of
help,
but
I
agree:
it's
hard
to
you
know
have
that
pedestrian
experience
with
with
sort
of
parking
structure,
but
that
was
why
we
wanted
to
incorporate
a
little
bit
of
green
and
then
also
with
the
planters
that
are
required
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that
comment.
A
I
appreciate
that
and
you
know
the
other
comment
you
know.
I
agree
with
staff
ethis.
If
anybody
knows
me
on
this
commission,
I
really
cannot
afford
ephesus
as
it's
just
not
a
permanent
material
and
really
does
nothing
to
elevate
architecture
in
our
city.
So
I
mean
that's
just
a
my
personal
opinion.
Kimberly
hunter
has
a
question
or
a
comment
kimberly.
B
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
apologize
for
not
putting
my
camera
on,
but
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
I
do
want
to
make
a
comment.
I
hope
you
don't
take
it
offensively
the
the
and
we're
not
deciding
on
what
you've
already
decided,
but
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
the
structure
itself
and
kind
of
all
the
pieces
really
resemble
what
would
be
more
like
an
airport,
hotel
or
accommodations,
and
this
is
actually
in
the
middle
of
the
downtown
corridor.
B
So
I
understand
you're
not
going
to
be
making
any
direct
changes
to
the
plans,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
say
that
although
there's
on-site
parking,
which
is
highly
appreciated,
part
of
our
focus,
there's
some
other
things
there
that
are
really,
I
think
spot
on.
For
the
most
part,
I
think
where
we
are
now
as
a
city
based
on
when
you
got
your
approvals.
C
I
guess
it's
directed
to
shannon,
partly
so
so,
because
this
is
a
and
we're
just
we're
not
reviewing
this
in
accordance
with
the
the
the
standards
of
the
of
the
hotel
overlay
district.
We're
reviewing
this
just
in
accordance
with
its
preliminary
cz.
H
So
you're
asking
so
this
is
well.
I.
H
Is
seeking
an
amendment
to
their
cz
and
because
the
changes
are
design
related?
We
recommended
that
the
applicant
come
to
design
review
since
hotels
now
come
to
design
review,
so
this
this
will
be
a
voluntary
compliant.
This
will
be
something
that
we'll
just
carry
the
commission's
recommendation
to
council
and,
and
then
council,
you
know,
will
make
the
final
decision.
C
C
It's
a
conditional
sounding
well,
I
just
was
trying
to
figure
out,
because
you
know
we
haven't.
As
you
said,
we
haven't
actually
reviewed
a
hotel
outside
of
a
district
with
with
standards.
We
haven't
reviewed
a
project
outside
of
a
district
with
standards
that
we're
applying,
and
this
one
we're
not
actually
I'm
listening
to
kimberly.
I'm
listening
to
to
several
different
people
make
comments,
and
but
we
don't
really
know
what
we
have
authority
to
require
on
on
on
this
project.
C
So
the
best
we
can
do
is
make
some
some,
which
I
think
we
we
did
in
the
last
informal
improv
we're
just
trying
to
improve
it
as
much
as
possible
and
then
and
carry
some
recommendations
forward.
Is
that
a
reasonable
characterization
of
what
we're
doing
and
apply
the
spirit
of
the
hotel
overlay
district
recommendations
to
it?
Is
that
is
that
reasonable
to
say.
H
Yes
and
it's
you
know,
I
encourage
the
applicant
to
go
through
this
process
and
and
let
them
know
that
the
commission,
the
committee
off
you
know
is-
is
a
valuable
resource
so
that
you
all
would
have
good
thoughts
and
recommendations
that
they
could
take
into
consideration.
That
would
improve
the
project
overall.
So
that's
that's
the
main
purpose
of
of
coming
before
you
today.
So,
okay.
C
I'm
sorry
to
that
to
that.
In
one
final
comment,
I
still
don't
think
they've
addressed
the
the
blank
wall.
They
added
a
a
picture
of
a
tree
and
and
punched
some
windows
in
they
still
haven't
done.
I
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
they've
activated
that
other
side.
Yes,
thank
you
and
I'm
getting
really
tired
of
seeing
murals
as
opposed
to
architecture.
B
H
And
in
thinking
about
ms
hunter's
comment,
I
thought
it
might
be
valuable
for
you
all
to
see
this
was
what
was
originally
approved
as
part
of
the
cz.
So
you
can
see
that
the
the
new
proposal
is
a
fairly
significant
departure
from
this
more
kind
of
residential
looking
building
with
the
angled
roofs
and
the
different
colors
and
materials.
So
you
can
see
the
treatment
at
the
ground
level
is
different
as
well.
This
is
not
retail
space
jane
by
the
way.
H
This
glazing,
it's
kind
of
faux
glazing,
to
hide,
to
screen
the
parking
garage
so
well.
A
H
You're
looking
through
to
cars
yeah,
so
I
actually
I
mean
I
I
think
I
think
this
you
know.
One
of
the
guidelines
for
hotels
outside
of
the
cbd
and
river
arts
district
is
that
we
try
to
find
something.
That's
a
little
bit
more
unique
and
not
so
prototypical.
I
think
the
former
design
is
more
prototypical
of
a
residence
and
this
one's
a
little
bit
of
a
departure,
especially
with
the
glazing
and
that
outdoor
third
story
lobby.
H
H
Actually,
you
know
let
it
be
what
it
is
and
just
do
your
best
with
it.
So
I
think
the
metal
screening
that's
proposed
at
the
ground
level,
I
think,
is
also
an
improvement,
and
I
appreciate
they
made
these
the
second
story.
Originally,
I
thought
I
was
confused.
I
thought
that
that
was
supposed
to
be
a
second
story
and
not
part
of
the
garage,
and
it
was
because
the
original
plan
showed
these
faux
windows
there,
and
I
appreciate
that
they've
now
replaced
it
with
screening
and
but
they've
kept
the
window.
H
H
They
did,
it
looks
like
they
did,
offer
a
little
bit
of
relief
on
the
this
southern
side.
I
think
the
previous
version
it
was
just
sort
of
flat
was
just
a
change
in
materials,
so.
C
I'll
make
I'll
make
a
motion.
I'm
just
curious.
A
C
H
C
Move
that
we,
that
staff
forward
our
comments
to
council
and
that
council
consider
this
project
for
approval,
based
on
the
following
conditions,
that
the
applicants
provide
further
information
regarding
the
green
screen
and
green
material
and
plant
material
to
be
applied
to
the
facade
of
the
building
that
the
applicant
consider
the
use
of
materials
other
than
ifas
for
the
siding
of
the
building,
and
that
the
applicant
continue
to
address
design
issues
for
the
blanking
on
the
direction.
The
north
elevation
of
the
of
the
building
regarding
fenestration
and
architectural
detail.
A
C
A
A
H
Be
you
yep,
that's
me,
so
I
shared
a
memo
with
the
commission
or
committee
earlier
just
describing
a
change
to
the
appointments
for
the
design
review
committee
as
it
currently
is,
council
appoints
eight
of
the
nine
members,
four
coming
from
the
downtown
commission
for
coming
from
the
river
arts
commission
and
then
the
ninth
seat,
to
be
appointed
by
the
committee
itself.
H
The
proposed
change,
which
came
as
a
collection
of
recommendations
that
came
with
the
six-month
report
related
to
the
hotel
ordinance
that
was
prepared
back
in
september,
was
to
change
the
appointments
to
three
well,
all
nine,
to
be
appointed
by
council
with
three
coming
from
the
downtown
commission,
three
from
the
river
arts,
commission
and
then
three
at
large.
H
This
seems
to
be
generally
favored,
the
the
downtown
commission
and
river
arts
commission
this.
This
information
has
been
shared
with
both
people
were
either
neutral
or
supportive
of
the
change.
So
this
is
going
to
counsel,
I
believe,
in
january.
A
H
Well,
all
so,
there
are
some
general
criteria
for
design
review
committee
members,
and
that
applies
to
all
members,
so
that
would
be
that
would
include
the
at-large
suits
as
well.
Okay,
thank
you.
G
A
Thank
you,
jeremy,
okay,
I'll
call,
I'll
call
the
question:
jeremy
goldstein
all
right:
hi,
okay,
stephen
lee
johnson
aye,
brian
moffett,.
C
A
H
I
guess
that's
me
and
let
me
share
my
screen.
Thank
you.
So
this
came
before
the
committee
before
it
is
some
some
folks
may
remember
it
as
sort
of
it's
like
the
the
evolution
of
what
had
been
the
create
broadway
project
from
a
few
years
ago.
It's
a
smaller
site.
It
doesn't
include
all
of
the
properties
that
the
create
broadway
project
had.
So
it
really
only
has
frontage
now
on
broadway.
The
previous
plan,
previous
design,
with
more
parcels
involved,
also
had
frontage
on
the
other
side
lexington.
H
So
here
is
the
new
proposal.
The
the
main
difference
I
think
between
this
and
what
you
saw
before
informally,
is
that
before
you
may
recall,
the
stair
tower
elevator
tower
was
right
up
in
the
front
of
the
building,
so
kind
of
in
the
same
location
as
this
sort
of
bump
out
area
was.
Was
this
blank
stare
tower
or
elevator
tower
shaft,
both
and
so
staff
quickly
identified
that
as
being
problematic
and
inconsistent
with
the
code
and
the
guidelines,
and
I
think
that
the
committee
also
you
know,
wanted
to
see
that
explored
further.
H
So
this
design
moves
the
the
the
stair
tower
and
the
elevator
back
into
the
building
and
replaces
it
now
with
actual
heated
square
footage,
I'm
not
sure
about
any
other
changes.
I
might
let
the
architect
kind
of
go
over
those
if
there
were
other
resulting
changes.
As
a
result
of
that,
I
think
we
have
peter
and
eric
here
from
mha
and
sasha.
Did
you
want
to
say
anything
before
we
invite
peter
and
eric
to
comment.
G
A
H
C
Are
you
talking
about
the
one
that
you
went
and
spanned
both?
It
went
all
the
way
to
the
other
street.
There
was.
H
H
H
Has
frontage
on
broadway,
but
where
I
made
a
mistake,
was
I
remember,
reviewing
and
discussing
the
the
placement
of
the
elevator,
shaft
and
stair
tower
being
a
problem
and
sasha
just
helped
me
remember
that
that
was
in
our
pre-app,
not
with
this
body.
So
you
all
haven't
seen
this
before.
This
is
your
first
informal
review,
so
I
apologize.
K
K
K
K
K
Most
of
it
will
be
masonry,
some
of
it
will
be
metal
panel
and
some
of
it
will
be
ethos,
but
a
minority
of
the
surface
area
will
be
efis
in
the
design
of
the
window.
Openings.
K
The
view
that
you
see
now
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen,
that's
along
a
property
line
and
on
the
other
side
of
the
building,
there's
a
private
line
facing
the
masonic
lodge
the
back
side
of
the
building
facing
market
street
also
faces
a
property
line.
So
what
we've
been
able
to
do
is
have
the
first
two
floors
of
the
building,
above
as
close
as
possible
to
the
property
line
without
undermining
the
foundations
of
the
adjoining
properties.
K
K
So
what
we're
doing
is
balancing
having
as
much
window
area
as
possible
by
pushing
the
building
as
close
to
the
property
line,
to
gain
more
square
footage,
but
realizing
that
we
can't
be
on
the
property
line
above
the
second
floor
now,
on
the
second
floor,
in
this
view,
that's
a
blank
wall.
We
cannot
have
any
openings
in
it
at
all.
It
is
right
on
the
property
line
at
some
point.
K
So
please
keep
that
in
mind
when
you
look
at
this,
where
we
have
some
fairly
tight
restrictions
in
terms
of
the
window
openings
now,
on
the
broadway
side,
we
don't
have
those
restrictions,
so
we're
trying
to
put
as
much
glass
area
as
possible
in
in
those
wall
areas
in
order
to
maximize
the
view
and
also
to
pick
up
square
footage
that
is
higher
much
higher
quality
than
a
stairwell
and
an
elevator
shaft.
K
So
by
requesting
we
push
all
that
back
to
the
center
of
the
building
is
a
is
a
really
a
big
positive
change
for
us,
and
we
appreciate
that
conversation
that
has
happened
very
much.
The
other
is
that
we've
moved
the
driveway
entry,
which
used
to
be
on
broadway
around
to
the
alley,
which
is
you
can
go
to
one
of
the
next
sheets.
That
shows
the
keep
going.
Please.
K
Yes
right
there
that,
where
that
garage
door
is
that's
a
public
alley
that
runs
all
the
way
to
walnut
street,
so
that
will
be
the
access
point
for
all
the
vehicles
coming
into
the
building.
D
Thank
you,
peter
I'm,
having
a
hard
time
figuring
out
where
this
is.
Is
it
directly
beside
the
masonic
temple.
D
Okay,
can
you
go
to
the
site
plan
and
maybe
point
to
us
where
sure,
okay,
there
we
go.
That's
perfect,
perfect.
K
K
So
we
have
to
respect
the
the
property
lines
because
at
some
point
they'll
there
will
be
something
built
on
that
site,
whether
the
masonic
wise
builds
it
or
someone
else
builds
it.
It's
it's
really
irrelevant
to
us.
We
just
can't
have
any
window
openings
per
code
now
we're
building.
This
is
a
very
small
site
and
we're
trying
to
accommodate
all
the
parking
that
we
need
for
the
building
in
the
code.
K
We
need
to
provide
one
parking
space
for
every
two
bedrooms
in
a
hotel
and
we
don't
have
to
provide
any
for
residential.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
provide
all
of
the
parking
that
would
be
required
and
not
stress
or
load
any
of
the
other,
whether
it's
on
street
or
or
any
other
parking
facility
close
by
mainly
for
security
and
for
convenience.
K
So
our
parking
structure,
which
is
on
the
first
floor
shane,
can
you
go
to
the
1-0
level
plan?
Please.
K
Yeah,
that's
the
basement,
yeah!
That's
the
basement!
This
goes
over
the
level
that
yeah
right
there,
that's
good.
Okay,
you
can
see
now
this
is
in
schematic
right
now,
but
the
on
the
left
hand.
Side
of
the
screen
is
that's
broadway.
We
have
a
lobby
into
the
hotel,
which
is
relatively
small.
We
have
an
exit
way
for
the
exit
stair,
which
is
required,
but
on
either
side
of
those
elements
pertaining
to
the
upper
part
of
the
building.
K
We
have
a
retail
space
on
the
north
side
and
a
retail
space
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
So
we
feel
as
though
we
have
activated
the
street
in
a
way
that
will
be
very
positive
for
the
surrounding
buildings
and
neighborhood,
while
still
maintaining
an
entry
into
the
lobby,
which
will
be
shared
by
hotel
guests
and
also
the
residents
of
the
building
on
the
towards
the
center
left
side
of
the
screen,
where
the
cursor
is.
K
So
what
we're
doing
in
order
to
give
this
some
integration,
if
you
will
into
the
look
of
the
downtown
the
first
two
levels.
The
first,
of
course,
will
be
the
retail
now
we'll
have
full
clear
glass,
the
second
level,
which
is
where
the
parking
will
be.
We
don't
want
to
see
into
the
cars,
but
we
will
have
glass.
They
will
that
will
have
some
type
of
obscure
characteristic
to
it,
but
it
will
still
read
as
a
more
of
a
traditional
two-level
storefront,
similar
to
what
we
did
at
45
ashland.
K
This
building,
because
of
its
height,
is
a
it's
going
to
be
classified
as
a
high-rise
building,
so
we
have
a
fire
command
a
unit
or
space
on
the
first
floor,
the
first
four
levels,
or
so
will
be
hotel
that
that
will
the
number
of
hotel
bedrooms
is
35,
so
it
will
be
considered
a
small
hotel
per
the
zoning
ordinance.
K
Then
above
that
will
be
four
levels
of
residential
condominium
units
that
will
all
be
for
sale.
There
will
be
a
combination
of
some
twos
and
three
bedroom
units
on
the
top
floor,
top
two
floors
where
we
are
above
75
feet.
The
zoning
ordinance
calls
for
the
gross
floor
area
and
such
specific,
but
talk
about
gross
area,
we're
assuming
that
the
enclosed
part
of
the
building
cannot
be
more
than
8
000
square
feet
right
now.
K
K
Now,
given,
if
we
had
a
larger
footprint,
we
could
accommodate
a
reduction
to
8
000
square
feet
because
we'd
be
able
to
make
that
up
on
the
lower
levels.
This
way,
we're
you
know
we're
we're
operating
with
a
fairly
tight
site,
so
we
we
feel
on
the
design
side
that
we're
we're
meeting
the
spirit
of
that
we're
just
missing
it
by
27
square
feet
of
enclosed
area.
K
So
that's
something
we
we
can
discuss
in
more
detail,
maybe
at
our
next
meeting,
but
I
just
want
to
make
you
all
aware
that
that's
a
condition
where
we're
looking
at
the
building
will
be
all
non-combustible
material.
There
won't
be
any
wood
framing
in
it.
It
will
be
cast
in
place
concrete
and
a
combination
of
steel,
two
columns,
metal,
studs,
steel,
deck
and
concrete
floor
slabs.
K
K
K
K
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
use
a
pallet
of
four
different
materials
to
break
that
mass
of
and
to
give
it
a
scale.
That's
similar
in
scale
to
the
surrounding
buildings
and
have
large
area
of
window
opening
as
possible.
To
do
everything
we
can
to
break
up
the
the
blank
wall
of
the
facade.
Given
the
code
restrictions
that
we
have
there's
one
area
or
there's
several
areas
where
the
walls
are
a
little
bit
blank.
K
K
And
keep
in
mind
we're
not.
This
is
just
the
very
beginning
of
the
design,
so
we're
you
know
we're
we're
here
with
a
obviously
an
an
early
version
of
our
project,
so.
A
Miss
jane,
you
know
you
talk
about
using
a
variety
of
materials
on
that
north
wall
or
I
guess
that's,
maybe
south,
I
don't
know
yeah
north
did
you
think
about
using
any
architectural
elements
or
or
changing
in
surface
material
or
instead
of
using
just
materials
itself.
But
maybe
you
know
shifting
things
back
and
forth
or
adding.
K
Where
jane
we're
looking
at
and
we
had
some
banding
and
release
relief
elements
on
the
model
earlier,
we
took
those
off
because
we
hadn't
really
didn't
want
to
share
those
yet
because
they
weren't
something
that
we
felt
looked
that
that
good.
But
a
plain
blank
wall
without
some
type
of
articulation
is
not
what
we
want
to
do
so
we're
looking
at.
K
I
know,
maybe
where
we
have
stack
six
or
so,
or
five
windows
vertically,
that
maybe
that
whole
element
sets
in
a
little
bit.
So
that
reads
as
a
vertical
element
and
then
maybe
at
the
sills
there's
a
horizontal
element
that
wraps
around
the
building
potentially
so
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
in
that.
A
A
Yeah
I
appreciate
it
peter
I
realize
you're
at
the
early
stages,
yeah
brian
has
to
question
your
comment.
Brian.
C
Yeah,
so
this
is
basically
just
a
messy
model
at
present,
we're
really
not
talking
about
form
or
even
fenestration
per
se
other
than
the
idea
of
fenestration,
but
in
the
image
you've
got
on
the
screen
right
now
that
that
corner
that
I'm
looking
at
and-
and
I
do
understand
that
you're
designing
the
building
for
a
future
potential
building
that
will
be
built
right
up
against
that
lot
line,
but
that
corner
looks
unarticulated
and
unexpressed
for
such
a
prominent
peace
yeah,
and
I'm
talking
specifically
about
the
little
door
that
leads
back
into
the
parking
area,
yeah
that
that
that
corner
and
then
the
piece
above
it
seems
like
you
would
wanna
like.
C
I
I,
like
the
the
coming
from
the
other
direction
that
other
side
you
know
you've
got
this
step
back
and
then
this
prominent
tower
piece,
which
I
actually
think
you
should.
You
should
jazz
that
one
up,
but
then
you
should
do
like
a
secondary
like
that's.
Your
primary
statement
is,
is
that
is
that
bold
piece?
That's
coming
out
yeah
that
one
right,
that's
the
one!
C
I
don't
even
know.
Maybe
you
should
you
could
play
with
making
that
its
own
thing
so,
instead
of
being
layered,
I
I
like
the
layer
of
the
of
the
parking
area,
but
then,
above
that
you
know,
maybe
it's
its
own
thing
all
the
way
up.
If.
G
C
Catching
my
drift
instead
of
doing
the
layers
with
the
rest
of
the
building,
so
that
it's
really
and
then
secondarily,
maybe
you
do
something
kind
of
similar,
but
a
different
articulation
on
that
corner
piece
so
that
you've
got
this
rhythm
set
up
there
in
in
what
you're
doing
is
that
is
that
making
any
sense.
K
Yes,
yes,
it
does.
That's,
that's
an
excellent
idea
to
obviously
to
articulate
the
projected
element.
Maybe
that
becomes
a
singular
material
vertically
all
the
way
through
the
building
that
creates
an
image
for
the
building,
but
obviously
we'll
look
at
that,
but
that
corner
that's
the
north
west
corner
and.
G
C
C
And
then,
and
then
my
other
I
mean
we
can
talk
about
building
organization
and
things
like
that,
I
know
you're
still
working
on
it,
I
see,
and
maybe
I'm
conflating
projects
but
that
that
wall
that
faces
the
alley
there
was
some
weird
stuff
going
on
in
the
model
and
I
wasn't
real
sure
what
I
was
looking
at
is
that
the
one
that
faces
the
the
the
the
side
that
faces
the
alley
where
you
driving
yeah.
C
Yeah,
I
can't
quite
tell
what's
going
on
with
that
stair
tower
and
what
the
there's
a
like
a
line
through
it
and
it
changes
materials
for
no
good
reason.
I
I
don't
know
something
about.
That's
not
reading
right
to
me
and
I
realize
that's
a
back
of
house,
but
we
all
walk
past
a
lot
of
back
of
houses
when
we're
navigating
asheville,
so
so
that
that
feels
like
that,
that
corner
and
and
that
that
yeah,
that
corner
is.
B
C
As
not
as
complete
yet
right,
I'm
digging
you
for
an
uncompleted
model.
K
Now
this,
obviously,
every
building
of
this
size
has
to
have
two
exit
stairs.
K
C
K
C
Yeah,
I
think
that's
all
I've
got
for
now.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
both.
Let
me,
while
we're
looking
at
this,
just
want
to
acknowledge.
When
you
see
a
mechanical
equipment
needs
to
be
screened.
The
parapet
that
you're
seeing
is
42
inches
above
the
roof
surface,
so
that
should
be
plenty
to
screen
the
mechanical
equipment
that
will
be
up
there.
We're
not
kind
of
planing
any
large
chillers
it'll
be
mainly
split
system,
heat
pump
package
units.
D
Thank
you,
gene
peter.
I
know
this
is
just
modeling
that
you're
sharing
with
us.
Now
we
appreciate
it.
I
know
that
the
previous
submittal
that
you
had
brought,
which
was
a
different
project
against
the
moxie
hotel.
There
was
a
really
strong
emphasis
on
this
newly
emerging
artistic
corridor,
and
this
gateway
is
associated
with
the
uses
across
the
street
right
our
component,
and
or
do
you
see
that
this
practice,
as
you
move
forward
you're,
going
to
try
to
develop
some
elements
that
speak
to
that.
K
Yes,
we'd,
like
to
we
one
of
the
unfortunate
characteristics
of
losing
the
large
create
72
broadway
project
was
the
walkway
from
market
street
to
broadway,
which
we
obviously
can't
do
here,
because
we
don't
have
the
the
property
or
the
space
to
do
that.
But
we've
talked
about
having
this
be
an
arts
focused
design,
and
at
the
moment
we
don't
know
exactly
what
that's
going
to
be.
But
are
I
just
speaking
from
my
opinion?
I
think
we
were
looking
at
that
northwest
corner
as
a
place
to
put
something
that
is
an
artistic
element.
K
That's
not
just
a
painted
on
mural.
There
needs
to
be
something
more
articulate
something
three-dimensional,
something
that
might
be
a
a
contrasting
material
to
whatever
the
material
ends
up
being
behind
it.
So,
for
example,
if
there's
a
brick
along
that
portion,
maybe
there's
some
type
of
bronze,
sculpture
or
steel
sculpture,
that's
built
in
and
helps
articulate
that
wall.
Maybe
it
wraps
the
corner.
A
G
C
Yeah,
it
doesn't
limit
the
organ,
it
says,
for
example,
I
think
it
even
uses
you
know
you
can
you
have
to
have
a
a
way
to
organize
the
building
and
base
middle
and
cap
is
a
way,
and
so,
if
they
go
that
direction,
then
that's
what
we
require.
But
then
you
know
if
it's
a
more
of
a
modern
building,
they're
not
necessarily
required
to
base
middle
cap
it
and
that's
actually
where
I
was
kind
of
going
in
that.
C
I
don't
think
this
building
wants
to
be
necessarily
base
middle
cap
kind
of
building
that
doesn't
the
the
architecture
and
the
materials
he
shows
them
so
far.
Don't
really
go
that
direction,
which
is
why
I
would
think
about.
You,
know,
organizing
it
slightly
differently
and
maybe
emphasizing
different
elements
as
themselves.
Does
that
make
sense?
Is
that
answering
your
question?
Jack.
C
Agreed
agreed,
which
is
why
I
think
it
needs
a
lot
more
articulation
and
detail,
and
especially
when
it's
next
to
something
like
the
masonic
lodge,
and
it
is
such
a
prominent
sight
entering
the
city
I
agreed
did
we
answer
your
question
regarding
the
cornice
and
the
cap.
A
A
Can
I
ask
a
question
sure:
it's
really:
it's
really
a
question
for
the
commissioners
and
if
once
shannon
pans
around
a
little
bit,
can
you
go
to
the
that
front?
The
the
elevation
we
were
just
looking
at
shannon.
A
So
my
question
is,
for
the
commission
is
I'm
kind
of
a
plain,
jane
kind
of
person
and
not
necessarily
an
innovative
architect
right
so,
but
I
will
say
that
I
think
that
I
would
prefer
this
building
given
the
site
and
how
really,
when
you
look
at
google
maps,
how
small
the
site
really
is
in
a
way
right.
So
it's
it's!
Where
we're
at
we're.
A
Look
at
nine
stories
or
something
like
that
that
I
almost
think
you
know
here
at
the
step
back
there
they're
leaving
one
third
of
the
building
not
stepped
back,
which
is
allowed
by
code.
I
think
it
would
be
better
if
it
was
all
stepped
back.
It
would
be
to
me
it
would
feel
a
little
less
intrusive
at
the
street.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
people
what
you
all
think
of
that.
D
A
E
Yeah,
I
mean
I'm
not
an
architect
either,
but
I
kind
of
like
that
they
don't
have
the
whole
thing
stepped
back.
Personally,
I,
like
the
variation
I
mean
we
have
what's
our
height
limit
in
this
area.
Is
it
10
stories.
E
H
A
F
C
Especially
if
they
make
that
projecting
piece
really
special
and
it's
and
it's
articulated-
and
I
mean,
if
you
think,
of
the
jackson
building,
you
know,
we've
got
some
really
nice
buildings,
I'm
just
here
in
asheville
and
and
around
the
state
and
around
the
the
region
that
are
much
taller
and
and
and
don't
step
back.
C
So
the
the
step
back
is
is,
is
a
in
general,
a
reasonable
planning
tool,
but
it
can
be
overused
too,
and
you
don't
want
your
whole
city
to
feel
like
a
vigor
out,
I'm
not
walking
down
the
street,
so
I
actually
prefer
some
little
moves
like
this
that
break
that
up
as
you
as
you
go
down.
E
Well,
it's
really
a
question
to
the
design
professionals.
I've
heard
you
all
mention
about
these
different
other
buildings
articulate
and
I
I
guess
I
want
to
be
educated
a
little
bit
on
what
you
mean
by
that
and
and
I
I'll
preface
that
by
saying
you
know,
I
yeah.
E
It
was
more,
I
think,
robin
just
mentioned
it
james
mentioned
it
brian
may
have,
but
how
you
are
articulating.
The
facade.
Are
you
you
know,
rather
than
just
I
mean,
are
you
trying
to
make
the
buildings
look
like
how
they
were
constructed
in
older
buildings?
Are
you
talking
about
in
a
modern
sense,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
understand
what
you
guys
mean
by
that.
G
I
I
don't
know
that
we've
completely
sold
on
one
method
or
the
other
at
the
moment.
We
know
that
it
needs
to
have
a
connection
to
that
to
that
space,
and
that
means,
if
we
investigate
the
other
buildings
around
the
area
and
more
in-depthly
and
bring
in
you
know
some
instances
of
connectability
to
that
facade,
as
maybe
one
approach
or
even
just
simply
connecting
this
the
building
with
similar
materials-
and
I
just
don't
know
that
it's
been
down
that
path
completely
yet,
but.
C
But
just
what
we
mean
when
we
keep
saying
that
word
so
in
in
speech,
articulation
is
is
when
you
are
speaking
very
clearly,
and
you
can
tell
the
difference
between
the
words,
because
you
are
correctly
forming
and
placing
your
words
and
vowels
and
consonants
in
a
way
that
makes
it
clear
to
the
speaker
when
one
word
stops,
and
another
word
starts,
and
in
architecture
is
very
similar,
so
we're
talking
about
when
we
talk
about
articulating
a
a
part
of
a
building,
we're
saying
that
you're
drawing
a
distinction
between
this
part
and
that
part,
so
that
you
are
clearly
communicating
that
this
is
its
own
thing.
H
C
Shadow
lines
it
can
be,
you
know,
if
you
think
about
like
a
like,
take
the
jackson
building
incredibly
well
detailed
and
articulated
building,
but
it's
all
pretty
much
the
same
material
same
for
the
grove
arcade,
but
they
do
this
with
a
profile
and
shadow
and
basically
just
creating
different
layers
of
meaning
within
the
within
the
building
itself.
That
clearly
delineates
when
you're.
C
When
you
change
floors
and
even
when
you
change
suites,
and
then
you
go
from
open
to
closed
so
yeah,
it
can
be
material,
it
can
be
mass,
it
can
be
detailed.
A
I
mean
I'd.
Second,
all
that
and
I'd
I'd
say
that
you
know
when
I
think
of
buildings
that
I
like
downtown.
You
know
the
building
at
my
office
is
in
on
34
wall
street,
the
public
service
building.
I
mean
it's
a
tall,
brick
building,
but
it
has
detail
and
it
has
elements
of
craft
and
art
that
aren't
murals,
but
that
speak
to
asheville,
and
you
know
I
think
asheville
created
this
commission
or
this
committee
to
to
upgrade
architecture.
C
Yes,
that's
a
great
question
jeremy
and
I
I
would
appreciate
if
you
call
us
out
when
we're
speaking
gibberish
and
speaking
in
code.
That's
never
the
intent.
E
E
A
That's
also
a
national
design,
award-winning
project
that
won
an
honor
award
from
the
american
institute
of
architects.
So
I
mean
that's
something
I
think
you
know
the
city
could
hold
as
an
example
of
high
quality
of
architecture
in
its
city.
We
have
many
buildings,
but
this
one
is
was
given
a
national
award.
A
D
So
this
is
what
I'm
gathering
and
you
know
the
downtown
commission
has
always
experienced
these
projects
coming
from
mha
in
the
very
very
early
stages,
which
I
know
we
all
appreciate,
but
I'm
feeling
as
though
just
peter
just
so
you're
aware-
and
I
think
you
probably
are,
but
there
is
an
expectation
level
that
is
coming
across
right
now
that
I
feel,
like,
I
think,
as
jane
had
said,
we're
we're
charged
with
at
this
point
to
not
basically
just
accept
what
has
happened
downtown,
but
what
we
feel
like
is
appropriate
and
even
though
this
is
about
voluntary
compliance.
D
So
as
we
as
we
move
forward,
I
know
we're
all
excited
to
see
how
you,
beyond
form,
have
this
building
really
be
special
for
asheville
and
and
be
prepared
for
that.
But
thank
you.
H
C
One
one
final
comment
regarding
articulation
and
and
to
answer
jeremy
jane
is
not
requiring
that
we
undo
a
neo-classical
design
at
all.
I
I
I
hate
to
do
this,
but
for
the
the
clark
nixon's,
the
city
center,
building,
that's
only
a
three-story
building,
but
I
would
consider
that
modern
architecture
that
has
nice
articulation.
C
Yeah,
it's
it!
I
I
personally
like
it
very
much.
Nobody
tell
chad,
but
I
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
really
good,
modern
design
that
doesn't
have
that
base
metal
cap,
it's
not
a
masonry
building
so
on
and
so
forth,
a
well-detailed
building.
So
at
least
in
my
opinion
and-
and
I
I
think,
there's
more
than
just
me
that
say
that,
so
it's
not
it's
not
necessarily
I'm
a
preservationist.
I
love
preservation.
I
love
that
kind
of
architecture,
but
we
don't
that.
C
That's
not
what
we're
just
charged
with
as
stephen
lee
eloquently
put
it.
You
know
with
with
elevating
the
level
of
design
in
asheville,
regardless
of
the
specific
style
that
they're
choosing
to
to
do
to
do
that
in.
C
Well
are
eric
and
peter
done
with
us?
Do
you
have
enough
to
go
on
right
now,
yeah.
I
do
like
that
building.
G
Damn
yeah,
I
think
we
really
agree
with
all
of
your
comments,
and
I
hear
you
steven
lee
it's
you
know
beyond
form,
be
special
and
I
think
we'll
work
hard
to
to
make
that
happen.
A
H
A
Can
you
all
you
all
can
see
my
screen?
Yes,
okay!
Thank
you.
I
can't
see
you
all
when
I
do
this.
Oh
my.
I
will
figure
that
out
someday.
So
this
is
a
small
hotel
at
123
haywood
street.
I
didn't
have
map
asheville
pulled
up,
but
well
here
we
go.
So
it
is
approximately
here's
the
basilica
here
at
the
corner
of
flint
and
haywood
street.
Here's
the
I-240
ramp
and
this
hotel
is-
or
this
project
I
should
say,
is
on
these
two
small
parcels.
So
it's
a
very
small
site.
A
It's
so
it's
here
near
the
basilica,
the
battery
park,
hotel
and
the
indigo
hotel
project,
and
this
project
was
a
level
one
residential
condominiums.
It
went
through
the
process.
I
think
it
even
got
a
zoning
permit.
A
After
the
hotel
regulations
were
passed
last
spring,
they
are
kind
of
exploring
and
trying
to
see
if
they
can
turn
this
into
a
small
hotel.
So
we've
been
talking
in
talks
with
them
since
the
summer
and
one
of
the
big
changes
in
the
regulation
from
going
from
a
residential
use
to
a
condo
use,
is
you
have
to
activate
50
percent
of
your
frontage
on
the
ground
floor?
So
they
have
done
that
here
and
you
know
there
are
sorry.
A
They
did
turn
in
these
renderings.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
they're,
it's
very
easy
to
read,
so
I
think
there
it's
it's
almost
nicer
to
look
at
the
renderings,
the
folks
who
are
on
the
downtown
committee.
If
you
can
hear
background
noise,
let
me
know
because
I
will
tell
other
people
to
be
quiet.
The
people
who
are
on
the
downtown
committee
may
remember
this
building.
I
got
feedback
from
you
back
a
couple
years
ago,
pre
pandemic,
and
it
looked
somewhat
like
this
here
on
the
top
left
or
top
right.
A
Excuse
me
so
again,
sora
modern
building.
With
kind
of
I
really,
I
think
it's
a
perfect
placement
for
a
modern
building.
You
want
it
very
different
from
the
basilica.
A
I
like
the
a
lot
of
the
glass
going
on,
but
so
this
footprint
did
not
or
this
kind
of
building
masking
didn't
work
for
the
hotel
regs,
which
really
demand
fifty
percent
of
the
frontage
being
activated.
They
have
a
internal
parking
garage
so
here
on,
the
left
of
the
building
is
a
parking
entrance
here.
A
A
They
are
trying
to
part
of
the
thing
here
and
I'll.
Let
you
all
talk,
john
and
charlie
are
here
with
the
project
I'll.
Let
you
talk
in
a
second,
so
they're
trying
to
keep
this
a
level
one
project,
so
they
added
the
retail
without
doing
upper
stories.
A
Sorry
that
was
just
I
was
getting
really
distracted,
so
the
one
of
the
basic
requirements
in
a
downtown
is
that
we
have
a
two-story
height
minimum.
So
as
soon
as
I
open
this
up,
I
realize
this
is
not
meeting
that
and
we
we
really
require
that
for
the
entire
building.
It's
two
stories
we
do
have
some.
A
You
know
code
around
having
additions,
but
that
presupposes
that
there's
an
existing
building
there.
Second,
also
after
the
we
have
the
street
wall
requirements.
So
the
idea
is
that
we're
creating
street
walls
with
our
buildings
and
then
after
the
second
story,
you
can
recess.
A
Okay
just
make
sure,
but
you
can't
recess
the
building
of
the
first
story.
So
that's
part
of
the
code
issue
here
now
I
will
say
what
we
do
want
to
do
is
get
your
feedback
on
other
parts
of
the
building,
the
material,
the
glass,
the
site
plan
and
I'll.
Let
them
talk,
but
we
thought
it
would
be
worth
it
for
you
all
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
give
any
feedback
you
have
now
so
I'll.
Stop
there.
L
Yeah
sasha,
this
is
john
manning
within
tech
group.
I
appreciate
the
the
opportunity
to
to
kind
of
be
here
with
everyone
today
and
I
appreciate
the
the
flexibility
we're
originally
gonna.
Have
this
in
as
a
formal
agenda
item
today
and
appreciate
the
flexibility
to
look
at
this
in
an
informal
way.
L
After
you
know,
we
we
kind
of
at
the
last
kind
of
11th
hour
there
kind
of
came
up
against
the,
as
sasha
mentioned
the
two-story
roadblock
on
on
the
on
the
one
corner
of
the
building,
where
we're
trying
to
add
the
retail
storefront
edition
to
back
up
a
little
bit.
Sasha
mentioned
that
this
was
previously
approved
at
the
zoning
level.
We
have
actually
the
original
design
for
the
building
was
actually
permitted
through
technical
plan
review
and
building
permits
are
sitting
ready.
L
To
I
mean
we
can
stick
a
shovel
on
the
ground
tomorrow
and
start
bringing
the
original
concept
out
of
the
ground.
That's
how
far
along
this
is,
and
as
sasha
mentioned,
you
know
with
the
addition
of
the
hotel
overlay
and
things
changing
a
little
bit
in
the
marketplace.
L
We're
trying
to
make
the
shift
as
economically
as
we
possibly
can
to
fulfill
all
those
requirements
and,
and
still
have
a
you
know,
a
very
elegant,
evocative
kind
of
building
implementing
those
hotel
overlay
requirements,
especially
at
the
street,
into
the
project,
the
in
terms
of
the
two-story
that
the
street
front,
without
having
this
corner
here,
how
we
were
meeting
that
previously
there's
a
section
of
the
ordinance
that
allows
for
a
little
small
pocket
park
or
open
green
space
where
we
have
put
the
retail
portion
now
it
was
where
that
retail
spit
or
I'm
sorry
where
the
that
little
pocket
park
was
so
in
theory.
L
What
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
was
to
kind
of
elegantly,
add
the
retail
and
to
the
scale,
that's
appropriate,
with
the
height
of
the
building,
at
being
only
four
stories
on
a
on
a
very
small
site,
the
site's
less
than
a
quarter
of
an
acre.
I
think
it's
0.19
acres
to
be
exact
and
still
hold
that
street
edge
as
a
at
a
scale,
that's
kind
of
appropriate
to
the
rest
of
the
building.
L
When
we
talk
about
the
base,
column
and
cap
sections,
we
chose
to,
you
know,
use
the
kind
of
vertical
orientation
when
it
comes
to
defining
the
the
top
of
the
building
with
the
window.
L
You
know
the
kind
of
the
taller
floor
to
ceiling.
You
know
vertically
oriented
windows
to
kind
of
bring.
You
know,
bring
that
level
of
scale
and
articulation
to
the
building
as
well.
L
On
top
of
the
retail
and
again,
this
goes
back
to
some
of
the
site
constraints
and
being
as
small
as
it
was,
and
an
existing
parking
surface
parking
lot
right
now
we
were
proposing
a
green
roof,
one
that
would
help
we're
about
300
square
feet
over
when
adding
the
retail
component
in
on
the
storm
water
requirements.
L
So
part
of
that
is
the
green
roof
is
part
of
our
stormwater
mitigation
plan
and
also
by
bringing
that
down
to
the
single
story
versus
having
it
two
stories
as
it's
something
that
you
can
experience
from
the
street
a
little
bit
better
to
enhance
that
streetscape
and
make
it
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
visible
from
the
pedestrian
side
instead
of
having
it
up
and
out
of
the
way
where
you
can't
see
it
assassin
sasha
mentioned
as
well.
L
If
and
again
we
had
building
kind
of
building
permits
in
hand
ready
to
go.
This
single
story
edition
would
be
completely.
We
meet
all
the
requirements
if
this
was
an
existing
building
to
add
a
single
story.
Addition
on
in
this
area,
I
believe
the
requirements
were
under
a
thousand
square
feet,
we're
at
about
700
square
feet
with,
with
this
edition
we're
not
anywhere
near
a
contributing
structure,
so
we're
not
within
five
feet.
I
think
that
was
another
condition
and
there's
two
other
ones.
L
I
can't
recall
those
off
top
my
head,
but
we
meet
those
as
well
so
and
keeping
with
the
spirit
of
the
you
know
of
the
entire
body
embodiment
of
the
the
downtown
you
know
kind
of
requirements,
the
hotel
overlay,
I
think
we're
close
again.
L
We
just
would
like
some
additional
feedback
on
on
kind
of
what
we've
presented
to
date
and
everything
from
that,
including
the
proportion
without
the
retail
is
probably
99
identical
to
what
was
approved
last
year,
both
in
the
downtown
review
and
also
from
the
zoning
review.
So
there's
no
really
changes
to
what
has
been
previously
proved
other
than
that
retail
edition.
L
No
close,
we're
we're
we're
level.
One
by
right
is
what
we're.
E
E
H
But
you're
right,
jeremy,
that
in
order
to
stay
by
right
and
avoid
a
council
review
for
a
hotel,
there
can't
be
any
modifications
and
the
addition
standards
I
mean.
First
of
all,
this
is
new
construction.
So
it's
clearly
not
an
addition
and
to
say
that,
well,
we
could
do
a
courtyard
and
then
come
back
five
years
and
do
an
addition
that
complies
well.
You
would
first
have
to
start
with
a
non-hotel
building
to
do
that.
So
that's
one
consideration.
It's
it's
also.
H
You
know
not
really
what
the
intent
of
the
addition
standards
were
set
up
for
those
were
to
provide
some
flexibility
for
existing
buildings
to
allow
for
some
small
one-story
additions
that
were
really
accessory
and
most
of
those
additions
are
you
know
to
the
side
or
rear
of
a
building,
not
typically
in
front.
H
We
make
some
exceptions
for
some
outdoor
dining
structures,
but
so
that
would
be
very
unusual
to
try
to
come
back
and
do
that
as
an
addition,
I
and
john,
I
think
you
might
be-
it
might
be
a
little
bit
more
challenging
than
you
think
at
least
the
last
set
of
plans
I
looked
at.
You
were
slightly
over
a
thousand
square
feet,
I'm
sure
that
could
be
adjusted,
but
I
think
the
50
might
be
a
little
bit
tricky
because
the
hotel
requires
that
50
percent
of
your
facade
be
dead.
H
You
know
be
dedicated
to
create
this
storefront
or
this
retail
space.
But
then
the
one
story
edition
says
that
no
more
than
50
percent
of
your
facade
can
be
one
story,
so
that
kind
of
creates
an
interesting
design
challenge.
So
you
would
have
to
be
exactly
50
and
be
under
a
thousand
square
feet
and
meet
the
dimensional
requirements
for
retail
space.
So
I
think
it's
it's
a
little
tricky.
I
think
it'd
be
a
little
hard
to
say
you
could
do
that
as
an
addition
later.
H
But
that
said,
I
I
think,
for
the
commission's
benefit
and
just
to
try
to
focus
this
conversation.
Whether
or
not
this
complies
with
technical
standards
is
really
for.
You
know,
that's
part
of
the
technical
review.
That's
the
staff
review,
that's
the
level
one
review!
So
that's
not
a
question
for
this
group.
It's
really
more
about
what
you
think
about
the
rest
of
the
design.
A
John,
maybe
you
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
materials,
I'm
confused
as
to
what
is
the
fake
wood?
Where
is
that
and
and
you're
talking
about
the
the
metal?
Cladding
has
a
natural
appeal
due
to
its
reflectivity.
Where
do
you
get
that
from
just
out
of
curiosity.
L
Yeah,
so
the
the
concept
on
the
on
the
white-
I
don't
know
if
sasha
you
have
the
the
kind
of
narrative
that
we
sent
along,
but
the
the
metal
panel,
which
is
the
white
part
of
the
of
the
the
elevated
structure
above
the
the
parking
level,
is,
was
kind
of
brought
from
some
of
the
historic
yeah
that
last
page
from
some
of
the
historic
structures
in
asheville
and
how
they
are
actually
ribbed.
So
to
speak.
L
You
know
some
of
the
terra
cotta
detailing
some
of
the
historic
buildings
have,
you
know,
have
a
slight
bend
to
them
and
have
a
bit
of
a
profile.
So
what
we
were
doing
with
the
metal
panel
was
doing
a
very
simple
way,
a
very
elegant
way,
just
putting
a
light
crease
in
it
in
the
middle,
at
the
midpoint
of
it,
and
that
serves
a
couple
of
different
function,
ones
that
makes
it
more
structurally
stable
and
so
that
we
can
use
less
material
right
things
with
a
bend
in
it.
L
Don't
oil
can
as
much
and
and
and
it'll
be
a
kind
of
a
straighter
truer,
look
to
the
to
the
facade,
but
also
to
again
mimic
or
take
some
inspiration
from
the
vertical
nature
of.
I
think
the
jackson
building
came
up
a
couple
of
times.
L
You
know
you
see
elements
of
that
in
a
more
traditional
material
that
we're
trying
to
bring
into
this
into
this
development,
and
then
I
think,
with
the
way
that
this
building
and
the
site
sits
on
the
edge
of
downtown
right
along
240,
and
you
have
that
great
vista
to
the
to
the
north
and
to
the
west
of
of
mountains
and
views,
and
everything
was
really
to
kind
of
let
the
building.
L
I
don't
want
to
say
kind
of
disappear
into
the
sky
because
I
don't
think
that's
possible,
but
to
really
visually
minimize
its
impact
on
the
you
know
on
the
the
landscape
and
this
and
the
surroundings-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
if
people
are
familiar
with
there's
a
mountain
range
in
alaska.
There's
this.
L
This
one
mountain
is
called
moose's
tooth
and
when
you're
looking
across
the
skyline,
I
mean
it
looks
like
a
moose's
tooth
sitting
there
right
and-
and
this
would
kind
of
be
the
the
equivalent
to
you
know
to
blending
in
with
the
you
know,
almost
like
a
snow-capped
mountain
against
the
mountains
in
the
background
and
and
kind
of,
hopefully,
you
know
kind
of
draw
a
little
bit
of
inspiration.
There.
K
L
That's
kind
of
where
we
were
again
kind
of
streamlining
our
approach
to
the
detailing
of
it
with
a
very
elegant
kind
of
application
of
of
more
modern
materials,
but
with
a
traditional,
you
know,
kind
of
inspiration
behind
it
to
go
to
the
to.
I
think
sasha
asks
about
the
the
wood.
L
The
wood
framed
elements
would
be
at
mostly
at
street
level,
around
the
retail
edition
to
add
some
warmth
and
an
inviting
appeal
to,
in
a
contrast
to
the
metal
at
a
level
that
people
can
touch
and
feel
as
they
walk
in
so
you're.
Not
you
know
you
walk
around
the
the
you
know.
I
think
in
one
of
the
previous
projects
that
we
looked
at
today.
You
know
you
talk
about.
L
You
know
you're
walking
down
through
downtown,
and
you
have
you
know
you
see
a
lot
of
service
areas
right.
You
know
the
goal
was
to
kind
of
create
not
a
utilitarian
edge
along
haywood
street,
but
to
provide
more
of
a
pedestrian
warmth
type
of
approach
at
street
level.
That
has
a
little
bit
of
a
you
know,
pedestrian
scale
to
it
more
so
than
than
a
larger
building
scale.
L
Yeah
and
I
think
that's
part
of
part
of
the
elegance
of
it
as
well.
I
think
when
you
walk
through
some
storefronts,
you
know
when
you
get
to
that
level.
You
know,
especially
in
some
of
the
older
structures.
A
lot
of
them
been
replaced
over
the
years,
but
you
still
do
have
some
kind
of
wood
doors,
wood
store,
old
wood,
storefront
entrances
again,
so
this
would
be
kind
of
more
of
a
modern.
You
know-
maybe
not
moderns
right
word,
but
a
2021
approach
to
that.
A
I
know
brian
had
his
hand
up,
and
I
have
one
more
comment.
You
know
I,
I
guess
I'm
I'm
bothered
by
and
I
appreciate
your
comment
about
the
metal
being
articulated
being
folded,
but
the
whiteness
of
it
seems
like
a
big
white
elephant
in
downtown.
It
doesn't
seem
like
it
relates
anything
and
I
understand
your
analogy
to
mountains
in
alaska,
but
this
isn't
alaska
and
I
really
don't
see
that
as
relevant
to
downtown
to
seem
and
reflective,
but
that
you
know
it
means
you
tout
it
as
being
a
reflective
material.
L
Yeah-
and
I
think
using
that
word
reflective
that
was,
you
know,
I
wasn't
trying
to
suggest
it
had
a
reflectivity
quality
to
it.
That
was
the
intent
of
it.
I
think
it
was
more
of
a
contrast
to
the
to
the
brick
and
the
masonry.
You
know
color
is
color.
We
can
change
that
and
I
again
that
was
an
analogy
to
to
to
moose's
tooth
that
wasn't
to
be
a
moose's
tooth
in
downtown
asheville.
L
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
it
was
more
just
again
when
you
look
at
the
indigo.
This
would
be
no
different
than
some
of
the
materials
a
block
to
the
south
at
indigo.
There's
some
metal
panels
there.
Might
you
know
we
can
look
at
some,
some
some
color.
You
know
options
to
soften
that.
I
don't
think.
L
That's
that's
an
issue,
so
I
think
contextually
again
with
that
edge
and
and
the
indigo
or
were
maybe
pushing
the
pushing
inching
forward
a
little
bit
from
what's
there,
but
I
don't
think
it's
too
far
out
of
kind
of
the
existing
context.
A
C
Thank
you,
so
you've
changed
actually
quite
a
bit.
It
looks
like
from
the
previous
design
to
this
one
sasha.
Could
you
look
at
you're
already
on
that
a201b?
C
If,
if
you,
if
you
zoom
in
on
just
the
upper
right,
the
previously
approved
renderings
the
up
left,
excuse
me
upper
left,
my
other
left.
So
when
you
look
at
that
image
and
the
one
right
beside
it,
you
have
a
very
thin
line.
So
basically
you
had
your
white
vertical
panels,
and
then
you
essentially
had
just
the
glass
was
vertical,
with
a
very
thin
line
at
the
floor
now
zoom
down
into
the
to
the
next
one.
You've
now
changed
the
window
dimensions.
C
You've
still
got
the
vertical
articulated
panel,
but
you've
got
these
little
bands
between
the
windows,
so
you've
you've
changed
the
the
the
the
basically
then,
in
my
opinion,
I
mean
you've
deeply
changed
the
design.
I
mean
it's
no
longer
this.
You
know
metal
panel
with
a
glass.
You
know
that's
expressed
vertically.
Instead,
they've
got
these
big
thick
vertical
bands
of
some
horizontal
material
at
the
floor
lines
and
it
honestly
it's
it's
not
remotely
as
attractive
to
me
one.
What
is
that
material
and
two
why'd?
You
do
that.
L
That
would
be
another
kind
of
a
metal
panel,
very
similar
in
in
color
to
the
to
the
body
of
the
of
the
building.
The
purpose
for
that
was
from
a
constructability
standpoint,
early
on
in
the
process,
and
this
goes
back
to
probably
2018
at
this
point.
There
were
you
know,
market
conditions
and
material
costs
and
constructability
of
building
in
an
urban
environment
on
a
postage
stamp
size
site.
L
We
were
originally
looking
at
a
precast
plank
floor
system
which
allowed
for
a
much
thinner
floor
transition
between
floor
levels,
and
you
know,
as
as
the
project
progressed,
you
know
we're
we're
wood
frame
over
a
steel
frame
podium
now,
so
the
the
floor
depth
structure
has
gotten
a
little
bit
thicker,
so
we
had
to
compensate
for
that.
D
C
More
handsome
building
is
there
a
way
to
do
a
spandrel
glass
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
it
just
honestly
it
just
the
way.
This
reads
with
the
way
you
were
folding
the
the
metal
in
between
the
glass
and
the
way
it
reads.
Now
it's
a
completely
different
statement,
this.
What
you've
got
now
looks
very
flat,
whereas
what
you
had
before,
at
least
in
the
in
the
in
the
renderings,
especially
the
one,
the
two
images
that
you
have
that
right
hand
image.
C
If
you
can
zoom
in
on
that
a
little
bit
sasha,
you
know
the
it
looks
like
even
the
folded
metal
was
expressed
like
it
had
a
deeper
deeper
fold
to
it
in
the
in
the
original
it
just
it
looks
very
different
to
me.
That
would
be
my
first.
C
Yeah,
that
would
be
my
first
kind
of
kind
of
yeah.
Thank
you
sasha.
I
apologize
for
dragging
you
around.
L
Yeah,
I
think
part
of
and
again
you
know
as
we
some
of
that
was
actually,
I
think,
taken
into
some
previous
comments
that
we
had
experience
from
the
the
review
committee
previously
with
you
know,
I
think
I
don't
want
to
kind
of
open
up
a
can
of
worms
here,
but
I
think
the
shipping
it
you
know,
look
like
a
shipping
container.
Somebody
mentioned
you
know
a
year
ago,
so
we're
trying
to
kind
of
thread
the
needle
between
bringing
you
know
making
sure
that
it
didn't
go
that
route.
L
That's
not
the
intent
at
all.
I
think
we're
pretty
clear
with
the
intent
of
drawing
inspiration
from
you
know
from
the
the
rich
history
of
of
the
existing
buildings
on
the
downtown
skyline,
so
we're
trying
to
kind
of
walk
the
line.
I
guess
between
you
know
that
comment
and
you
know,
holding
the
integrity
of
of
the
design
as
it
was
originally
presented.
L
As
time
has
gone
on
and-
and
you
know,
real
life
kind
of
constructability
and
cost
issues
which
you
know
you
know
supply
chain,
we
we
all
hear
kind
of
things
that
are
going
on
right
now,
we're
trying
to
to
walk
a
tight
rope.
I
I
guess
so
to
speak
with
with
making
this
thing.
You
know
getting
this
to
the
point
where
we
can
get
out
of
the
ground.
L
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
other
comments
and
and
the
other
constricting
thing
is
the
20
000
square
foot
limit
for
the
level
one
review
and
staying
underneath
that
you
know,
I
think
there
was.
You
know,
we're
pushing
and
pulling
trying
to
stay
within
that
and
when
you
have
a
20,
000
square
foot
building,
even
if
we
fluctuate
you
know,
you
know
a
thousand
square
foot
here
and
a
thousand
square
foot
there
in
terms
of
performance
ends.
L
Up
being
a
you
know,
five
percent
plus
differential
in
in
the
economics
of
a
project
so
we're
you
know
we're
really
trying
to
walk
a
you
know
very
kind
of
fine
line
and
also
just
get
something
that
everyone
is
completely
proud
of.
That's
going
to
be
here
for
a
long
time
right
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
this
is
a
huge
opportunity
for
for
for
everybody
to
have
a
really
great
project
that
everybody's,
proud
of
and
we're
trying
to
bring
all
that
together.
C
C
The
the
one
right
above
that
one
yeah
and
if
you
could
zoom
in
on
that
just
a
little
bit,
see
see
how
much
flatter
that
looks
with
the
with
the
verdict.
I
don't
know
it
just
the
way
it's
expressed.
It's
quite
different.
C
I
get
what
you're
trying
to
do
on
the
podium
and
I
honestly
could
care
less
about
your
that's
trying
to
stay
between
level,
one
and
level.
Two
I
get
the
pro
forma.
I
get
the
material
we're
all
living
that
that
supply
chain
world
right
now,
but
the
regulatory
you
know
dance
of
trying
to
avoid
a
level
two.
I
don't
really
get
that.
C
I
mean
it's
not
that
big
a
deal
just
go
ahead
and
do
it
if
you
can
make
the
numbers
work,
I'm
I'm
more
concerned
with
the
the
fact
that
you
don't
have
a
two-story
piece
on
the
street
and
and
then
the
the
the
way
the
the
building
is
expressing
itself
just
seems
a
lot.
I
like
the
I,
like
the
other
design,
better
I'll
leave
it
there.
L
I
think
so
it
does.
I
appreciate
everyone's,
you
know
time
and
and
and
feedback.
You
know
we'll
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
kind
of
get
everybody
where
they
need
to
be
and
and
excited
about
this
as
excited.
L
A
Sasha,
I
realized
that
I
never
did
open
the
public
comment
period.
I
I
need
people
to
remind
me.
I
know
you
know
honestly
there.
Nobody
actually
was
ever
in
the
public
comment
right
line.
We
we
had
some
technical
difficulties
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
meeting,
and
so
we
were
calling
in
and
not
nobody
was
in
okay,
great
okay
and
there's
no
one
there
now.
Okay,
so
I
guess
with
that.
A
A
A
Is
there
a
second
a
second?
Thank
you
robin
okay.
I
will
call
this
boat.
You
could
just
do
it
all
in
favor,
if
you're
all
in
favor,
all
right.