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A
B
Good
afternoon
I
am
robin
reigns,
and
I
welcome
you
to
the
february
17
2022
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
usually
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
B
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
B
B
B
Please
make
sure
your
microphone
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done.
Speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
jeremy,
goldstein,
hello,
hello,
kimberly,
hunter,
hello,
everyone,
hello,
steven,
lee
johnson.
C
B
Hello,
brian
moffett.
D
B
And
I
am
vice
chair
temporary
chair
robin
reigns.
B
Let's
see
now
to
help
we're
gonna
go
to
the
agenda
items
which
first
is
administrative
and
unfinished
business
and
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state,
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
then
do
a
vocal
role
call
for
each
vote.
If
there
is
a
vote
to
be
taken,
and
additionally,
I
ask
that
committee
members
raise
their
hand
to
speak
and
I
will
call
upon
them.
We
will
begin
with
administrative
items
and
under
administrative
we
have
approval
of
the
minutes
of
january
20th,
2022.
B
Okay,
okay,
brian
seconds,
okay,
I
guess
we
do
the
roll
call
vote
for
that.
Now:
jeremy,
goldstein
hi
kimberly
hunter
ryan,
moffatt,
hi
steven
lee
johnson.
D
B
And
I
am
an
I
so
the
minutes
are
approved
next
on
the
administrative
agenda
is
the
update
to
the
rules
and
procedure
for
the
design
review
committee.
G
B
And
it
wasn't
on
my
little
little,
it's
not
typically.
B
Yeah,
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
we
lost
a
very
valuable
member
of
this
committee
and
it
was
karen
craig
nolan
and
her
friend
kimberly
hunter,
wanted
to
say
a
few
words
in
honor
of
her,
so
I'm
going
to
hand
the
floor
to
kimberly
now.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
You
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment.
You
know
boards
and
commissions,
and
committees
are
really
comprised
of
volunteers
and
wonderful
people
in
our
community.
G
You
know
represented
on
this
board
and
commission
and
others,
but
karen
was
in
a
phenomenal
human
who
did
some
really
powerful
work
in
our
community,
especially
and
specifically
to
the
river
arts
area,
and
I
just
wanted
to
honor
not
only
her
life
and
her
personhood.
G
The
fact
that
she
was
an
amazing
wife
and
an
outstanding
mother
and
wonderful
grandmother,
but
also
specifically
just
her
contributions
to
really
helping
to
build
up
and
out
what
we
all
now
appreciate
as
the
river
arts
district
area.
So
you
know
when
we
lose
members
of
commissions
and
volunteers.
G
I
just
really
want
to
honor
the
fact
that
with
business
moves
on
and
of
course,
the
show
must
go
on,
but
we
really
lose
a
big
part
of
our
community,
and
so
I
just
really
wanted
to
thank
her
family
for
continuing
on
in
her
work,
and
we
will
miss
her
very,
very
much.
Thank
you.
Chair
reigns.
B
Thank
you
kimberly.
That
was
lovely.
We
will
miss
her
okay,
now
on
to
the
update
to
the
rules
and
procedure
for
the
design
review
committee
will
did
you
want
to
talk
about
that
at
all,
or
are
we
just
to
approve
them?
Shannon,
oh.
H
Yep
I'll
take
it,
it
really
probably
doesn't
require
much
introduction,
but
for
the
public's
benefit,
let
me
go
ahead
and
share
our
screen.
So,
as
this
body
knows,
every
city
board
and
commission
has
its
own
set
of
rules
and
procedures.
H
What
I'm
sharing
here
is
your
particular
rules
and
procedures,
as
proposed
to
be
amended
so
text
that
will
be
removed
is
striked
through
and
text
that
we
propose
to
add
is
highlighted
in
that
light
gray
there.
So,
as
we
have
discussed,
this
is
a
change
to
your
rules
that
will
be
consistent
with
the
ordinance
that
was
recently
approved
by
city
council.
H
That
ordinance
change
came
about
as
a
result
of
some
recommendations
that
the
council
considered
at
the
six-month
mark
for
changes
that
were
all
adopted
when
the
hotel
overlay
and
development
standards
were
established,
and
at
this
point
it's
probably
about
eight
nine
months
ago.
So
this
is
really
just
kind
of
a
housekeeping
amendment.
It's
just
to
kind
of
clean
up
your
rules.
So
it's
consistent
with
that
ordinance.
It's
already
been
adopted,
but
just
to
quickly
go
over.
H
It
you're
still
a
nine
person
committee,
but
now,
instead
of
eight
being
appointed
by
by
city
council
and
one
being
appointed
or
selected
by
the
committee,
we
just
make
all
nine
seats
appointed
by
city
council.
We've
also
adjusted
that
instead
of
four
members,
each
from
the
downtown
commission
and
riverfront
that
we
propose
to
change
that
to
three.
So
that
makes
the
remaining
three
seats
appointed
at
large
by
city
council.
H
I
And
shannon
the
existing
four
members
will
just
continue
to
serve
from
the
downtown
commission
until
one
of
us
just
rotates
off,
naturally
from
our
position
on
downtown,
at
which
point
we'll
be
down
to
three,
and
then
we
will
be
on
compliance
with
this.
Is
that
correct.
H
That
is
correct,
although
I
will
say
I
got
a
phone
call
from
the
clerk
earlier
this
week,
trying
to
think
through
this.
They
may
decide
to
do
that
a
little
bit
differently
and
instead
of
just
waiting
for
one
of
the
four
downtown
commission
people
to
cycle
off,
they
may
ask
one
of
you
to
become
an
at-large
member
instead,
but
either
way
you'll
continue
to
serve
until
your
term
is
up.
B
Okay,
second,
can
really
roll
call
vote
now:
jeremy,
goldstein
aye
kimberly
hunter
aye,
stephen
lee
johnson.
J
I
B
And
I
am
an
I
so
now
we
will
move
on
to
new
business
with
a
formal
design
review.
This
project
is
through
my
firm,
so
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself
from
this
discussion
and
turn
the
meeting
over
to
brian
moffitt
to
leave.
D
A
Okay,
so
this
is
a
level
two
review
psy
plan
review.
You
all
saw
this
project
as
an
informal
review
back
in
december.
So
basically,
this
is
a
historic
rehabilitation
of
an
existing
building
called
the
star
building.
It's
located
downtown
28,
north
lexington
avenue
and
17
broadway
street
sits
across
both
frontages
it's
in
the
cbd
zoning
district
in
the
traditional
downtown
core,
and
it's
in
the
hotel
district
overlay
that
allows
for
small
hotels.
A
So,
therefore,
they
are
proposing
to
rehabilitate
the
building
with
35
lodging
units
and
4
500
square
feet
of
retail
space
I'll
just
flip
through
some
of
the
plans
and
walk
through
that
rehabilitation
of
the
building.
A
A
So
this
is
a
good
oblique
view
of
the
site,
the
building
on
lexington
and
then
broadway,
and
this
diagram
just
illustrates
that
the
building
will
meet
the
fenestration
requirements
and
the
downtown
design
guidelines
for
both
the
ground
floor
and
the
upper
floor.
Percentage.
Opening
requirements.
A
So
the
lexington
avenue
elevation
is
four
stories
and
you
can
see
that
essentially,
the
project
is
proposing
to
rehabilitate
the
facade
and
repair
the
brick,
also
re
repaint
it
where
it
was
previously
painted,
which
is
kind
of
hard
to
tell
on
the
picture
it's
so
faded,
but
it
was
previously
painted
and
that's
being
coordinated
with
the
historic
tax.
Credit
review
of
the
project
also
includes
the
repair
of
historic
windows,
the
existing
marble
glass
to
be
refurbished.
A
A
A
After
that
removal
of
the
fest
and
stucco
new
aluminum
cloud.
Double
windows
installed
new
signage
bands
and
a
new
wood
storefront
and
a
metal
railing
on
on
the
ground.
The
elevation
there,
the
I
guess
facade
to
the
right,
is
basically
going
to
be
rehabilitated.
Just
clean
and
repaired
as
needed.
New
awning.
As
you
can
see,
a
new
aluminum
storefront
will
be
installed
there.
A
And
moving
around
to
the
college
street
elevation,
which
fronts
on
a
another
parcel
which
is
used
for
surface
parking
and
which
this
project
will
be
utilizing,
there's
no
parking
for
other
uses
required
in
the
cbd
district,
except
for
the
hotel
use
and
those
17
spaces
will
be,
will
be
leased
from
this
parking
lot
to
the
south
of
the
property
and
therefore
the
main
entryway
for
the
hotel
will
be
off
this
college
street
facing
elevation,
as
shown
here
and
kind
of
the
center
of
the
building.
A
With
the
new
steel
and
glass
awning
to
be
installed,
you
can
see
that,
as
proposed,
it's
mostly
repainting
the
brick
repairing
windows,
adding
adding
new
windows
to
match
where
I
believe
they
were
existing
before
and
being
reinstalled
or
if
they
weren't
that's
being
coordinated
with
the
historic
rehabilitation
of
the
building
as
well.
A
On
the
opposite
side,
the
tingle
alley,
elevation,
not
a
whole
lot,
is
changing,
except
for
rehabilitation
and
repainting
of
brick,
and
you
can
see
more
details
of
the
hvac
screening
and
then
also
this.
This
element,
this
kind
of
stucco.
A
Let's
see
so,
as
you
can
see
in
the
staff
report,
the
the
project
meets
all
the
downtown
design
guidelines,
including
things
such
as
height
massing,
even
though
it
is
existing
still
with
me,
the
the
height
and
mastering
requirements.
So
even
if
it
was
a
new
building,
the
materials
and
fenestration
details
are
compliant
and
it
also
meets
the
recommendations
and
requirements
for
rehabilitation,
maintenance
and
petitions.
A
A
A
There
was
a
suggestion
that
the
street
trees
running
the
property,
the
one
on
broadway
street,
that's
diseased
and
the
two
bradford
bears
on
lexington
avenue,
be
removed
and
replaced
with
appropriate
tree
species
with
silva
cell
systems.
A
A
So
staff
is
supportive
of
this
project
and
I
believe
there
is
the
architect
with
us
today,
if
you'd
like
to
present
or
share
any
more
information
about
this.
K
K
To
will
got
a
little
late
but
got
it
in
a
couple
of
days
ago.
50
points
on
historic
preservation
and
60
points
on
a
thousand
dollars
a
unit,
affordable
housing,
or
maybe
it
was
well.
A
We
may
have
to
talk
a
little
bit
offline
about
about
some
of
those.
I
think
the
table
actually
lists
3
000
per
room,
we'll
have
to
take
a
closer
look
at
this.
This
is
going
to
planning
zoning,
presumably
on
on
march
3rd
or
2nd,
and
this
will
be
looked
at
a
little
more
closely.
There
might
be
some
clarification
needed
on
on
public
benefits,
so
just
to
bring
that
it
wasn't
a
thousand.
G
E
K
L
D
Oh
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong
district,
so
it
is
140
points,
so
so,
basically
there,
the
project's
proposing,
in
addition
to
the
historic,
the
adaptive
reuse
component,
they're,
proposing
the
three
thousand
dollars
per
room
and
there's
35
rooms.
So
that's
105
000
that
would
go
towards
the
affordable
housing
preparations.
Is
that
correct.
K
H
F
H
Yes,
it's
it's
just
important,
I
mean
I
I
I
don't
think
it's
inappropriate
for
the
committee
to
mention
it
because
it
does
require
a
hotel
that
is
seeking
to
bypass
council
review
does
require
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
drc.
So
I
think
it
is
good
to
kind
of
clarify
that
that
is
what
this
project
is
proposing
to
do
so.
Public
benefits
is
the
other
requirement
in
order
to
bypass
counseling.
I
And
and
just
in
case
jeremy
like
if
they
were
trying
to
do
something
with
artwork
specifically
artwork
on
the
building,
then
it
would
you
know.
Maybe
we
would
need
to
note
that,
but
if
it's,
the
these
items
are
not
necessarily
in
that
now,
I
I
just
have
a
also
a
process.
Question
related
to
the
adaptive
reuse.
Is
that
tied
to
a
a
specific
standard,
in
other
words,
to
to
qualify
for
that?
I
Do
they
have
to
have
chippo
state
historic
preservation,
office
approval,
or
can
they
just
say
they're
doing
that
I'm
sure,
jeff
and
and
row
house
is,
is
going
to
meet
shippo
approval.
I'm
just
curious
about
the
process.
H
We
do
not
require
that
it
meet
a
historic
standard
just
that
it
doesn't
demolish
any
portion
of
the
building.
I
We
might
want
to
talk
about
that
at
some
point,
because
that
adaptive
reuse
could
be
interpreted.
I
mean
this
one
I
think,
is
definitely
meeting
that
standard,
they're,
they're
they're,
doing
historic
rehabilitation,
they're
going
to
get
jeff-
I'm.
I
hope
I'm
not
speaking
out
of
school
here
but
you're
you're
looking
to
get
approval
from
from
from
a
qualified
agency.
Is
that
correct.
K
Yeah
we
it's
we're
just
gonna
go
for
historic
tax
credits.
So
we'll
be
you
know,
pursuing.
K
To
comply
with
the
secretary
of
the
ten
commandments
for
historical,
perfect.
I
K
I
H
Does
yeah?
I
think
I
think
it's
something
definitely
we
can
consider
when
looking
at
the
table.
I
want
to
be
careful
of
changing
the
city's
base.
Definition
of
adaptive
reuse,
because
that
applies
everywhere
in
the
city,
not.
I
Just
for
history
right,
but
when,
if
we're
going
to
award
points
or
that
the
city
is
going
to
reward
points,
there
should
be
a
I
should
I
shouldn't
as
an
architect
just
say:
hey,
this
is
an
adaptive
reuse.
Somebody
else
should
be
able
to
qualify
that
anyway.
Okay,
any
other
comments
or
questions
regarding
the
the
design
of
the
project.
So
I'd
like
to
note
a
couple
quick
things
from
my
previous
review.
One,
the
applicant
has
redesigned
the
the
canopy
entrance
on
the
facade
facing.
F
Ryan
lost
it.
Yes,
I
just
opened
up
the
table
and
it
says
next
to
adaptive,
reuse
of
historic
building
as
per
the
secretary
of
interior
standards.
Well,.
I
H
Problem
I
just
cut
and
paste
into
the
chat
the
udo
definition
of
adaptive
reuse,
which,
which
does
say
that
it
needs
to
retain
some
of
the
architectural
details
that
make
the
building
unique.
So
it.
I
Guess
I'm
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
that's
something
to
what
stephen
lee
was
getting
at
is
like,
unless
you
have
a
third
party
agency
like
state
historic
preservation,
secretary
material,
our
local
hrc,
signing
off
on
that,
then
maybe
this
body,
or
maybe
pnz
someone
needs
to
meet-
needs
to
make
that
determination
before
those
points
are
automatically
awarded.
I
So
getting
back
to
the
design
they
redesigned
the
the
new
storefront
front
entry
in
the
canopy.
I
think
that
awning
is
much
more
appropriate
than
what
I
remember
from
the
previous
submittal
and
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
I
understand
the
stucco
on
the
I
think
that's
the
lex
broadway
street
elevation.
I
They
really
can't
try
to
take
that
back
to
the
brick
because
of
the
way
the
property
lines
are
actually
drawn.
It's
that
building
on
the
right
is
actually
not
not
all
of
that
building
is
part
of
this
project.
I
The
property
line
goes
right
through
the
middle
of
the
building,
or
actually
it's
kind
of
weird
they
anyway,
I'm
so
so
about
all
they
can
do.
Is
the
stucco
or
some
similar
treatment
on
that
wall?
They
really
can't
just
restore
the
brick
and
then
stop.
I
think
the
street
view
right.
There
shows
it
pretty
clearly
what's
going
on
so
I
I
understand
that
material
choice
now.
K
K
J
K
G
K
J
K
M
K
A
unit
category
being
frugal
and
all,
but
it
is
3
000
and
I'll
change
that
on
the
document.
D
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
approved
this
proposed
adaptive
reuse
project
as
a
35
room
hotel,
as
it
has
been
submitted
today,.
F
I
I
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
we
did
not
receive
any
public
comment.
Any
emails
regarding
this
project
ahead
of
time.
Okay,
thank
you.
Robin
has
recused
herself,
jeremy,
goldstein
aye
kimberly
hunter.
G
I
B
Next,
we
have
new
business
and
it's
two
projects
for
informal
design
review
and
the
first
one
is
72
broadway
street.
The
create
72
broadway
project
that
has
been
here
for
informal
design.
H
Thank
you
chair,
so
the
committee
has
seen
this
project
before
and
a
number
of
you
who
also
serve
on
the
downtown
commission
actually
just
reviewed
it
again.
Last
week
the
applicant
hasn't
submitted
any
revised
plans,
but
I
will
very
quickly
just
kind
of
review
them
or
review
the
older
set
of
plans
with
you,
so
you
can
kind
of
be
refreshed
or
have
your
memory
refreshed
as
to
what
you
had
viewed
before.
So
this
is
for
the
property
located
at
72
broadway.
So
this
is
in
our
downtown.
H
The
proposed
building
is
a
mixed-use
building.
Excuse
me:
that's
a
nine
story,
building
with
some
levels
of
parking,
the
that
the
entire
building
is
just
under
100
000
square
feet
and
under
100
feet
tall,
and
so
it
does
meet
the
threshold
of
a
level
two
review.
H
In
addition
to
the
hotel
rooms,
the
project
proposes
to
include
18
residential
condominiums,
approximately
2
000
square
feet
of
ground
level.
Retail
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
those
three
levels
of
structured
parking,
there's
one
level
that's
below
grade
and
two
levels
or
partial
levels
above
grade
broadway
is
a
designated
key
pedestrian
street.
This
is
broadway
here
on
the
on
the
left
or
on
the
west
side
of
your
screen
and
as
a
key
pedestrian
street.
The
the
development
code
and
the
guidelines
recommend
trying
to
avoid
any
driveway
cuts
on
the
road.
H
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
bring
access
to
the
structured
parking
through
this
publicly
dedicated
alley.
So
it
will.
Vehicles
will
enter
through
the
alley
that
comes
off
of
broadway,
further
south
on
the
block
and
then
we'll
access
them.
That
way,
we
don't
have
a
site
plan
just
yet,
but
this
ground
level
elevation
shows
you
more
or
less
the
footprint
as
it
sits
on
the
property
boundary
the
main
primary
entrance
here
and
then
some
additional
entrances
for
these
two
retail
spaces.
H
Also,
the
project
will
be
required
to
reconstruct
the
the
sidewalk
out
front
so
that
it's
conforming.
So
it's
a
minimum
of
a
10
foot
wide
sidewalk
and
there
could
be
some
street
trees
required
as
well.
That's
part
of
that
I'm
going
to
scroll
through
all
of
the
other
elevations
or
the
floor
plans,
so
you
can
see
the
primary
facade
elevation
so
there
that
is
the
broadway
facing
facade.
So
you
can
see
you've
got
your
ground
level
fenestration
that
meets
the
development
requirements
for
fenestration.
H
Also,
there
is
a
step
back
here
at
the
fourth
level
that
satisfies
the
step
back
requirements,
there's
sort
of
a
prominent
portion
of
the
building.
I
want
to
say
tower
exactly,
but
it's
that
that
front
piece
sort
of
stands
out
and
then
there's
a
step
back
here
on
the
north
and
south
sides
of
that
I
guess
we'll
just
call
it
a
tower
for
lack
of
a
better
description
that
that
is
that's
kind
of
the
project
there.
H
In
a
nutshell,
there
are
some
additional
elevations
that
I
think
are
probably
less
informative,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
this
project
was
reviewed
by
the
downtown
commission.
Who
did
have
some
concerns,
I
think
primarily
rooted
in
that
the
the
project's
still
in
design
development.
So
we
don't
have
all
of
the
information
yet
as
far
as
the
site
or
other
features
of
the
project,
whether
or
not
there
are
any
green
features
or
other
sort
of
kind
of
site.
Public
benefits.
H
Also,
we
need
more
information
about
the
materials
how
the
project
fits
in
contextually
with
the
rest
of
the
block,
and
I
think
that
was
probably
the
the
primary
concern
expressed
by
the
committee
and
the
commission
previously
is
trying
to
understand
like
how
this
project
fits.
This
is
one
of
our
more
architecturally
historic
and
interesting
blocks
in
the
downtown,
and
so
we
want
this
project
to
better
reflect
the
the
design
of
of
the
you
know
or
incorporate
some
of
those
historic
facade
features
into
the
this
new
project.
H
So
the
design
team
are
here
today
and
would
like
to
talk
with
the
committee
a
little
bit
more
about
their
thinking
and
what
they're
anticipating.
I
think
they
have
a
little
bit
more
design
information
to
share
as
well
and
so
I'll
check.
First,
to
see
if
there
are
any
questions
for
me,
but
then
I
think
we
can
turn
it
over
to
them
to
add
a
little
bit
more
information.
H
I
Shannon
I
had
one
quick
question.
This
looks
different
even
than
what
we
saw
in
last
week
at
downtown
commission.
H
Yeah
the
base-
I
you
know
as
soon
as
I
pulled
it
up.
I
realized
that
I
noticed
the
same
thing,
so
I
will
go
back
and
try
to
get
that
more
current
elevation
and
display
it
here
for
you.
So
let
me
let
me
stop
presenting
this.
Let
me
go
search
for
that.
F
Yeah-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
answer
to
this
at
the
moment,
but
where
is
the
drop-off
and
access
to
the
hotel.
H
It
would
be
through
the
the
alley
there
is.
We
do
not
allowed
loading
on
the
street
for
a
hotel,
so
we
would
have
to
come
through
the
alley
or
drop
people
off
elsewhere
and
have
them
walk
in,
but
there
won't
be
any
dedicated
loading
in
front
of
a
building.
H
M
Sure
yeah
share,
let
me
rather
than
look
at
those
intermediate
drawings,
what
I'd
like
to
do
well.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
taking
the
time
to
have
another
look
at
this
project.
We're
very
excited
about
it
and
we're
constantly
trying
to
improve
it
and
make
it
better
make
it
fit
in
better
and
we're
relying
on
this
committee
to
help
us
along
the
way.
So
on
behalf
of
mha
works,
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
us.
M
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
open
up
the
revit
model,
which
we've
been
working
on
this
morning
and
and
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
the.
Let
me
share
your
screen.
First
yeah
hold
on
one
second.
C
L
C
K
M
Can
hear
me
all
right?
Thank
you
all
very
much.
This
is
sort
of
a
isometric
view
of
the
building
proposed
building
from
the
the
southwest
and
what
we're
trying
to
do-
and
we
haven't
finished
this
yet,
of
course,
but
we're
looking
at
taking
some
cues
from
the
surrounding
buildings
to
incorporate
into
our
project
and
one
of
the
and
there's
several
of
them
around.
If
you
walk
around
that
area,
there's
a
lot
of
articulated
brick,
there's
contrasting
stonework.
M
M
We
did
that
just
as
a
means
to
show
scale
of
the
project
or
for
a
potential
future
project.
What
we're
looking
at
now
is
trying
to
go
back
to
the
fundamentals
of
base
mill
and
cap
and
to
try
to
do
that
and
incorporate
that
in
with
the
step
back
requirements
that
allow
us
to
retain
a
third
of
the
building
facade
on
the
building
street
front,
which
is
this
element
right
here?
M
What
we've
done
in
plan?
If
you,
if
you
remember
the
earlier
version
from
last
year,
it
was
over
to
the
south-
was
more
off-centered
from
the
entry
and
we
we
felt
that
that
was
an
awkward
compositional
situation
that
just
never
looked
resolved.
So
we
reworked
the
interior
plans
of
the
building
so
that
the
projected
element
which
is
the
third
of
the
facade,
is
centered
over
the
center
entry
into
the
building
itself.
So
we
think
that's
a
positive
move.
J
M
Engineered
stone
within
a
field
of
brick
out
all
on
the
base
of
the
building,
all
the
way
around
all
four
sides,
we're
intending
to
use
some
type
of
brick
veneer,
which
may
be
a
a
darker,
maybe
a
almost
a
iron
spot,
darker
gray,
type,
brick
or
a
darker
red
brick.
That
is
typical
of
the
other
brick
buildings
within
the
context
of
the
site,
the
middle
portion
of
the,
and
that
again,
that's
surrounding
the
all
four
sides.
M
The
middle
portion
of
the
building
from
this
point
here
up
to
here
would
be
another
on
the
predominant
facades
facing
broadway
into
the
north.
They
would
that
would
be
another
brick
veneer
of
a
different
color.
It
may
be
a
lighter
red
brick.
It
may
be
some
some
other
brick
product,
and
the
openings
in
this
area
here,
which
is
we're
saying,
is
the
middle
of
the
building.
We're
trying
to
make
that,
even
though
there
are
step
backs
here,
we're
trying
to
make
that
more
read
as
a
uniform
unified
element
and
to
do
that.
M
M
And
this
is
on
the
eighth
and
ninth
floors.
We
want
to
do
something:
that's
a
little
bit
more
unique
from
and
stand
up
for
the
rest
of
the
building
and
to
be
our
response
to
the
cap
of
the
base
middle
cap
strategy,
and
this
this
would
be
some
type
potentially
a
metal
panel
or
some
type
of
a
non-masonry
material.
M
I
don't
know
we
we're
looking
at
some
type
of
stucco
system,
some
type
of
metal
panel
system
we
haven't
landed
on
that
yet,
but
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
change
the
windows,
so
they're
a
little
bit
larger,
that
they
run
from
the
floor
up
to
the
ceiling
and
create
a
differentiator
between
this
part
of
the
building
and
the
middle
part
of
the
building,
and
have
it
be
a
true
cap
now,
some
of
the
detailing
here?
Obviously
we
haven't
determined.
M
Yet
there
needs
to
be
some
type
of
parapet
cap
here
to
finish
finish
it
out
and
also
to
you
know,
to
make
it
watertight
we're
looking
at
windows
that
will
be
predominantly
storefront
with
a
and
again
by
storefront.
What
what
I
mean
is
there
will
be
an
aluminum
clad
window,
they'll,
probably
be
a
dark
bronze
color
with
operable
windows
set
within
those
frames.
M
The
glass
will
meet
the
building
code
requirement
and
it
won't
be
reflective
or
you
know,
it'll
be
trans,
transparent
glass,
as
required
now
at
the
lower
level,
go
back
down
to
there
for
a
minute.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
activate
this
street
and
have
more
activity,
and
what
we
have
done
is
we've
reduced
the
amount
of
parking
on
the
main
level
in
order
to
have
a
little
bit
larger
retail
space
on
the
north
side
of
the
building.
I'm
going
to
open
up
that
view
here.
M
What
you're
seeing
here
is
this
is
the
main
lobby
space
right
here,
where
having
a
larger
retail
space
and
a
little
bit
of
some
front
office
and
a
reception
area
all
in
here.
So
it's
so
there's
no
barrier
between
entering
into
the
hotel
lobby
and
entering
into
this
retail
space.
There
should
be
some
type
of
small
restaurant
or
food
service,
and
we
feel,
and
that
will
be
accessible
to
the
public
and
what
that
does
that's
going
to
make
this
ground
floor
more
activated
for
street.
M
M
So,
while
we're
meeting,
I
believe
the
requirement
that
the
retail
spaces
enter
directly
from
the
street.
We
like
the
idea
of
making
all
this
seem
larger
by
having
our
lobby
connect
into
this
restaurant
space,
and
we
we
feel
that
because
we're
providing
an
entry
here
that
it
meets
that
the
the
spirit
of
that
requirement.
M
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
3d
view
for
a
second
here.
M
Let
me
try
to
spin
this
around
yeah.
Here
we
go
now
the
idea
of
this.
I
know
there's
a
little
bit
of
discussion
about
having
the
the
word
create
on
the
side
of
the
building
that
was
supposed
to.
That
is
intended
to
be
some
type
of
science.
Of
course,
it
can't
be
that
big.
We
don't
want
it
that
big,
but
there
will
be
some
type
of
metal
element
along
here
that
integrates
with
the
color
of
the
metal
up
here.
That
ties
together
the
sign
and
some
type
of
commission
sculpture
piece.
I
Okay,
quick,
quick
question
even
before
we
get
into
details,
why
base
metal
cap?
Why
not
so
so
I
think
when
we
talked
about
this
project
previously,
like
you,
can
leave
your
model
up.
If
you
don't
mind
peter,
I
I
like
looking
at
it,
it's
helpful.
You
know
that
that
that
middle,
the
the
the
primary
element
that
that
comes
out.
You
know
why
are
you
doing
kind
of
a
base
metal
cap
organization?
I
Have
you
thought
about
looking
at
that
piece
being
a
piece?
That's
a
vertical
organization
with
different
pieces
on
each
side
of
it
and
that
piece
even
being
expressed
slightly
taller
than
the
two
pieces
on
on
either
side
of
it.
You
know
what
why
the
is
it
is
it
the
program,
that's
kind
of
driving
the
base
metal
cap,
or
is
it
the
the
architecture
itself?
I
don't
know
if
I'm
expressing
it
correctly,
yeah.
M
I
I
Yeah,
I'm
wondering
and
I'm
wondering
if,
instead
of
that,
you
had
a
more
cohesive
so
like
I'm
still
reading
that
that
vertical
element,
as
wanting
to
be
its
own
thing
top
to
bottom
as
the
organism,
organizing
principle,
I
think
our
guidelines,
you
know
say
you
know
you
can
do
it
based
middle
cap
or
vertical
or
other
organizing,
con
language
or
concept.
I
can't
remember
exactly
the
exact
verbiage,
but
so
so
it
just
doesn't
feel
like
a
cohesive
building
to
me
right
now.
There's
a
lot
going
on
with
the
you
know.
I
The
base
looks
like
a
piece,
but
then
it
doesn't
really
relate
to
the
next
layer
up
which
then
kind
of
relates
in
terms
of
the
the
the
fenestration.
I
But,
but
only
in
terms
of
that
you
know,
and
then
it
changes,
materials
and
that's
the
cap,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
it
would
be
if
it
would
organize
itself
better
if,
instead
of
doing
base
middle
cap,
you
were
really
looking
at
okay.
What?
If
we
had
this
big
vertical
piece
that
that
started
in
the
ground
and
then
it
came
up
and
it's
a
little
taller
than
everything
around
it
and
that's
the
primary.
I
B
M
That's
I
agree
with
both
of
you.
I
like
the
idea
of
running
that
element
down
to
the
down
to
the
sidewalk,
because
it'll
allow
us
to
differentiate
the
the
main
entry
into
the
building
and
make
it
read
as
as
the
element
it'll
be
the
primary
element
of
the
whole
project,
and
everything
else
can
maybe
work
around
that.
M
I
like
that.
One
of
the
other
things
that
run
through
my
mind
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
do
it,
because
that
side
faces
west
and
we're
worried
about
having
too
much
sunlight
or
heat
gain.
But
maybe
that
element
needs
to
be
all
glass
or
more
glass
than
there
is
in
it
right
now
to
help
differentiate
it
from
the
rest
of
the
building
and
bring
that
all
the
way
down
to
the
ground,
because
that
might
do.
I
That
as
well
agreed,
I
think
once
you
figure
out
what
that
piece
is
see,
I'm
I'm
good
with
you
pulling
that
piece
up
and
it
being,
I
think
we
talked
about
that
last
time.
You
know
that
that
can
remain
vertical
and
I'm
thinking
of
like
the
jackson,
building
or
something
like
that.
It
can
have
differentiation.
I
Like
you
said
you
know,
maybe
I
don't
know
whether
it's
all
glass
or
it's
it's
it's
in
that
language,
but
then
that
organizes,
I
think,
your
party
for
the
building
and
and
you
can
push
and
pull
on
it
from
there
and
and
then
I
want
to
speak
real
quickly
to
some
of
the
the
public
comment
that
we
got
specifically
regarding
historic,
I'm
I'm
only
one
vote,
but
I
I
don't
want
what
jack
used
to
call
matchy
matchy.
I
You
know
I'm
not
looking
for
you
to
match
the
masonic
temple
or
jackson
or
any
of
the
other
things
that
I
love.
I
want
this
to
be
of
its
time,
so
so
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
we,
you
know
just
cut
and
paste
historic
detailing
into
that
building.
What
you
do
needs
to.
It
needs
to
be
of
the
building
itself
and
of
its
time,
and
and
and
and
just
really
beautiful
design.
So
does
that
help
a
little
bit
peter
on
on.
M
M
I
A
piece
I
would
support
that.
I
think-
and
I
think
that
would
resolve
some
of
the
things
that
I
see
going
on
with
this
building
the
the
the
disconnect
at
least
that
I'm
I'm
reading
right
now
in
in
how
the
the
the
bottom
two
floors
that
next
five
floors
and
that
top
are
are
expressed,
is
part
of
what
I'm
reading.
M
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
I
think
well,
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
moved
that
projecting
element
over
was
to
have
its
center
on
the
entry.
We
we
looked
at
moving
the
entry
off
center
and
have
it
aligned
with
the
vertical
element
in
its
prior
position,
but
that
wouldn't
work
functionally
inside
the
building.
M
M
What
are
how
about
the
others
on
the
design
committee,
jeremy
or
kimberly?
Do
you
have
any
other?
You
have
any
thoughts
about
it
or.
M
D
First
of
all,
peter,
I
think
this
is
a
good
reminder
and
again
we
appreciate
being
a
part
of
this
informal
discussion
with
you.
I
think
that
maybe
you
can
understand
some
of
the
concerns.
Brian
did
a
really
good
job
in
stating
the
initial
concerns
that
we've
had
in
the
the
basic
forms
that
are
were
presented
in
kind
of
the
schematic
format
and
this
journey
with
you
to
kind
of
get
this
to
where
we
know
everyone
would
like
to
see.
D
It
is
it
overnight,
and
we
realize
that,
so
I
do
think
that
you
know,
as
we
begin
to
see,
that
y'all
are
striving
to
architecturally,
as
you
move
forward
in
the
design
process,
really
concentrate
on
architectural
elements,
and
it's
you
know
even
boils
down
to
some
of
the
simple
things
like
as
robin
mentioned
the
hand
rail
on
the
front,
these
window
heads
that
are
showing
up
and
the
revit
models.
You
know
just
it's
an
important
reminder
that
it's
an
involving
process.
D
M
Well,
we
have
we've
gone
through
formal
trc.
D
Okay,
it
you
know
when
I,
when
I
think
about
what
a
what
a
public
alley
is,
I
think
of
it
as
a
working
street,
that
services
the
backs
of
buildings
that
need
deliveries,
owners,
pull
up
to
drop
off
something
quickly
or
a
place
for
trash
storage,
and
they
can
also
be
quite
nice.
D
I
know
that
I
walked
down
this
alley
last
week
and
I
shannon
I
think
you
had
mentioned
at
the
downtown
commission
that
right
now
there's
a
a
good
bit
of
people
that
are
parking
illegally
back
there,
and
if
those,
if
everyone
was
parking
legally,
you
could
see
the
open
space
that
exists,
but
I
just
there's
just
something
about
all
this
added
access:
two
lanes
of
traffic,
utilizing
that
alley
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
22
hotel
units
and
18
condominiums
accessing
the
garage
and
I'm
going
to
assume
service
comes
in
this
way
as
well.
D
There
are
a
lot
of
businesses
that
use
that
alley
and
I
don't
know,
do
any
of
the
other
committee
members
have
concerns
with
that.
F
Sorry
yeah,
I
mean
that's
one
of
the
first
things
I
was
looking
at.
Was
you
know?
Is
it
a
public
alley?
That's
for
the
benefit
of
every
property
owner
that
touches
it.
Do
they
have
a
right
to
it?
Does
everyone
else
have
a
right
to
it?
How
wide
is
it?
Are
there
current
encroachments
in
it
that
are
restricting
the
dedicated?
F
You
know
flow.
You
know
in
terms
of
steps
and
meters
and
all
those
things
that
you
know
kind
of
happen
that
no
one
cares
about
until
you
know
it
matters
so
yeah.
That's.
I
share
those
concerns,
but
that's
why
I
just
asked
the
question
to
be
on
record
for
them
to
be
paying
attention
to
that
and
make
sure
that
it's,
you
know
from
a
starting
point
that
they
have
the
right
to
use
it
in
the
way
that
they
want
to
use
it.
J
M
Is
there
and
having
the
alley
be
just
for
service,
the
servicing,
the
building
for
repairs
or
trash
removal?
Things
like
that,
and
at
the
time
we
were,
we
were
asked
to
change
the
design
and
move
the
entry
off
broadway
and
put
it
on
the
alley
it
needs.
M
M
I
think
that
just
needs
to
be
resolved
because
it
will
change
the
the
obviously
the
internal
layout
of
the
parking
in
the
building
which
we
can
do.
We
just
need
to
know
what
is
going
to
be
now
what
will
be
approved
now,
if
you
remember
it
was
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
of
the
project
was
where
we
had
the
curb
cut
and
the
entry
into
the
garages
resets
deep
enough
within
the
building
towards
the
east,
so
that
cars
weren't
going
to
be.
M
You
know
blocking
the
sidewalk
that
a
full
car
length
could
pull
in,
so
it
will
work.
M
G
Gosh
I
have
so
much
in
my
mind.
I
don't
want
to
say
too
much,
but
I
do
want
to
just
say
this.
I
really
appreciate
peter
and
team
that
you
actually
are
utilizing
this
committee
as
we're
designed,
is
to
come
to
us
throw
stuff.
You
know
figure
out,
what's
sticking,
what's
not
working
and
come
up
with
better
design,
and
we
I
really
appreciate
that.
I
have
a
lot
to
say.
I
think
I'm
in
a
table
at
this
moment,
because
my
my
thoughts
are
not
organized.
G
Maybe
I'll
try
to
get
it
to
you
before
you
finish
your
your
presentation.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
the
alley
access,
so
it
is
a
minimum
20
foot,
it's
at
least
20
feet
wide
that
alley.
I
think
it's
at
the
narrowest,
20
and
widens
to
other
areas.
There
is
a
lot
of
informal
parking
going
on
that
shouldn't
be
occurring
in
an
alley.
Alleys
should
be
kept
free
and
clear.
H
So
some
there
is
some.
There
are
some
things
that
need
to
be
kind
of
addressed
before
that
alley
can
be
used
in
the
way
that
is
being
proposed
to
be
used
now,
but
presumably
there's
a
way
to
do
that.
We
want
to
be
able
just
from
a
fairness
standpoint.
This
property
is
entitled
to
have
access
to
their
parking,
just
like
all
of
these
other
properties
have
access
to
their
parking
by
using
that
alley,
the
alley
is
already
two-way.
It's
not
you
know,
because
there's
this
unpermitted
illegal
parking
going
on.
H
H
You
know
integrity
of
these
key
pedestrian
streets
with
broadway
being
one.
This
historic
architecture,
that's
already
on
the
block
you
know
is-
is
impacted
and
interrupted
with
all
of
these
driveways
to
structured
parking,
structured
parking,
particularly
kind
of
creates
site
visibility,
issues
with
pedestrians
on
the
street.
So
if
at
all
possible,
we
don't
want
those
entrances
on
these
streets,
sometimes
it's
unavoidable.
But
in
this
particular
case
I
think
there
is
this
other
alternative.
F
Jeremy
yeah
shannon
brought
something
up
that
we
were
just
shortly
before
the
meeting.
We
were
sent
a
number
of
public
comment
items
and
I
do
just
want
to
comment.
I
mean
there
seemed
to
be
a
consistent
concern
about
taking
away
public
parking,
but
it's
not
public
parking.
It's
a
private
parking
lot,
that's
being
used
for
that
purpose
now
and
I
don't
think
it
would
be
fair
to
any
property
owner
to
say
you
can't
build
on
your
property
because
we're
currently
offering
public
parking
spaces.
B
I
have
a
question:
is
it
intentional
this
this
model
on
the
left
is
the
masonic
temple
right.
B
Okay,
I
just
wondered
because
the
the
material
change
happens
almost
at
that
height,
so
I
didn't
know
if
it
was
some
kind
of
nod
to
the
height
of
the
masonic
temple
or
not.
M
Robin
it's
actually
for
the
the
building
to
the
right-hand
side,
so
we're
which
is
a
two-story
tall
building.
That's
where
we're
trying
to
match!
I
mean
I
don't
think
we
can
match
the
color.
That's
there,
because
it's
painted
brick,
I
believe,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
have
a
so
a
line
across
there
that
that
responds
to
the
height
of
that
existing
building.
B
M
J
E
H
H
H
I
Right
well
and
to
to
that
end
I
think
if
that's,
if
your
centerpiece
feeder
and
eric
becomes
the
organizing
principle
for
the
whole
building,
it
kind
of
gives
you
an
opportunity
to
do
materials
and
things
on
one
side
that
you
do
differently
on
the
other.
So
one
side
is
kind
of
talking
more
to
the
masonic
temple
and
the
other
side
is
talking.
I
Maybe
a
slightly
different
language,
that's
more
relevant,
and
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
I
know
that
you're,
anticipating
that
that
that
wall
that
lot
line
wall,
that's
up
against
the
current.
You
know
parking
area
for
the
for
the
masonic
temple,
but
I
I'd
kind
of
like
to
see
what
you're
planning
to
do
to
address
that
in
in
the
architecture,
and
then
I
know
you
guys
are
going
to
do
this,
but
I
want
to
say
it
in
the
meeting
anyway.
I
You
know
I'm
going
to
want
to
see
some
kind
of
streetscape
kind
of
views
of
of
this
when
it
when
it
comes
for
for
more
formal
approval.
I
know
you
guys
know
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
if,
if,
if
you
have
the
legal
right
to
for
ingress
egress
regress
of
the
alleyway,
then
I
don't
see
that
I
have
a
issue
with
it.
I
M
M
G
M
L
G
Sorry,
I
didn't
raise
my
hand
chair,
peter
I'm
wondering
I
I
am
the
least
experienced
of
every
professional
here,
but
when
I
look
at
the
building-
and
I
also
think
about
you-
know
some
of
the
features
prior
to
now-
which
of
course
these
are
different
projects.
G
G
I
think
that's
the
best
way
that
I
can
actually
articulate
all
the
things
that
were
going
through
my
head
without
saying
them
all,
and
I
am
I
don't
feel
like
I-
I
probably
have
the
tools
to
express
what
I'm
thinking,
but
I
will
share
some
visual.
I
have
a
background
in
design.
I
just
never
say
it
and
it's
for
something
different.
G
It's
textiles,
but
nevertheless
I
think
for
me
the
things
that
are
missing
are
like
the
landscape,
piece,
landscape
architecture,
the
there's,
a
lack
of
openness,
and
I
don't
really
know
where
it
should
go,
because
I
understand
the
lot
lines
are
tight.
G
M
B
So
second
kimberly's
good
comments
too.
I
think
that
this
building,
where
its
location
is,
it
can
almost
be
considered
a
gateway
downtown.
So
if
you
think
about
it
that
way,
then
you
know
it
does
need
to
have
some
really
striking
prominent
things.
You
know
to
bring
you
onto
broadway
stevenly.
You
had
your
hand
raised.
D
And
I
think
kimmy
to
your
point,
I
think
what
you're
recalling
kimmy
is
what
you
saw
in
the
first
building
version
here
and
the
way
that
it
was
presented
initially
was.
It
was
all
about
gateway,
and
it
was
the
this
creative
corridor
was
talked
about
a
good
bit,
and
you
know
the
building
across
the
street
is
really
it's
small,
but
it's
monumental
and
it's
it's
pretty
incredible
and
there's
so
many
great
things
going
on
with
that
across
the
street
with
their
public
art
component.
D
I
mean
that's
a
great
great
inspiration
for
what
could
happen
on
this
building,
but
I
think,
as
mha
and
peter
as
as
your
designs
evolve,
I
think
that,
in
addition
to
the
building
architecture,
pulling
a
level
of
detail
with
his
creative
atmosphere
is
going
to
be
really
important
even
down
to
like
street
furnishings.
I
know
the
city
has
to
approve
those,
but
you
could
really
create
this
strong
sense
of
place
with
locally
created
artistic
street
furnishings
and
elements
that
you
know
changes
in
paving
that
really
announced
something
special
going
on
right
there.
D
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial,
and
what
last
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention
was
we
know
this
is
a
hotel,
and
this
committee
is
under
a
lot
of
pressure
by
comments
that
we
receive
both
publicly
and
privately,
and
our
goal
is
to
help
make
sure
that
this
can
be
the
best
it
can
possibly
be
and
a
lot
of
times.
D
That
means
going
beyond
the
basic
requirements
and
peter
what
y'all
are
demonstrating
right
now
is
that
y'all
are
climbing
up
above
those
basic
requirements,
but
there's
still
going
to
be
this,
you
know
desire
for
us
to
see
things
that
go
way
beyond
like
a
total
green
roof.
You
know
and
elements
that
everybody
can
get
really
excited
about,
and
so
we'd
love
to
hear
that
y'all
that
we
know
you've
pulled
off
green
roofs
incredibly
well
in
the
past
successfully
downtown,
and
we
need
to
see
stuff
like
that.
D
That
will
will
get
everybody
excited
about
this
building
it
is,
I
can't
wait
to
see
y'all's
perspectives
with
these
photos
from
the
street.
This
building
is
massive
like
massive
nine
stories,
and
it's
just
gonna
like
change
the
streetscape
so
much,
and
we
all
want
it
to
feel
and
look
good.
We
want
your
client
to
be
successful
and
we
want
the
citizens
of
asheville
to
be
like
okay
wow.
We
get
to
celebrate
this
building
for
another
100
years
and
look
how
great
this
street
looks
now.
So
good
luck,
it's
a
big
task.
K
B
H
I
just
before
we
sign
off,
I
didn't
want
to
jump
in
front
of
any
of
the
other
committee
members,
so
I
just
wanted
to
check
okay,
nobody
else.
Okay,
so
stephen
lee
already
touched
on
this
peter,
but
just
a
few
parting
thoughts,
green
green
features,
green
roof,
anything
anything
like
that
that
you're
contemplating
let's
go
ahead
and
identify
it
and
and
sure.
H
J
H
So
if
you
have
the
idea
of
doing
some
sort
of
special
feature,
that's
integrated
into
the
architecture,
you
might
want
to
definitely
review
the
sign
requirements.
It's
going
to
be
pretty
small,
it's
like
50
square
feet,
and
so
just
just
fyi.
That's
not
part
of
this
review,
so
that'll
be
a
separate
review.
You
know
that
so
yeah.
M
H
Have
any
questions
about
that?
Let
me
know
I
should
be
able
to
help
you
the.
M
H
You
had
shown
that
kind
of
redesign.
I
I
mean
I
like
that
the
retail
got
larger,
but
I
don't
think
it
meets
the
intent
of
the
code
to
combine
it
with
the
hotel
lobby.
It's
okay
to
have
a
connection
to
that
retail
space
like
the
aloft
hotel.
Does
that
with
diamond
brand?
You
know
you
kind
of
walk
in
I
mean
you
actually
go
to
the
lobby
on
the
second
floor,
but
you
walk.
I
H
M
That's
what
we'll
have
there's
a
there
are
there's
an
entity
from
the
lobby
into
that
retail
space,
but
there's
also
one
from
the
street
because
at
some
point
during
the
day,
they'll
be
closed
off
the
lobby.
It's
just
that
when,
during
normal
business
hours
we
want
because
there's
not
that
much
space
on
the
ground
floor
for
retail.
We
wanted
to
feel
as
big
as
possible.
That's.
H
That's
great
yeah,
okay.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
didn't
get
too
far
and
have
that.
The
other
is
that
you
had
mentioned
in
one
of
the
other
discussions
that
you
were
contemplating
an
art
element
like
a
public
art
element
to
this
project,
and
I
think
that's
something
you
know
that
could
also
be
used
to
help
with
place
making
of
this
project
it
had
you
have
the
potential
to
through
your
public
benefits
that
are
going
to
be
required
with
this
there's
an
option
for
public
art
too.
M
Okay,
well,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
This
is
great
and
we'll
we
will
keep
working
and
I
think
we
would
like
to
schedule
at
least
one
more
of
these
sessions
with
you.
If
you'll
put
us
on
your
agenda,
we
would
you
know
we'd
love
to
do
that
and
we
can
promise
you
that
you'll
see
drastic
changes.
J
E
I
H
I
J
J
C
Thank
you
hey.
This
is
brian
golden
attorney
in
asheville
north
carolina.
Just
wanting
to
comment
briefly
on
the
access
to
this
create
72
broadway.
I
appreciate
all
the
of
the
committee
members
discussions
about
it,
but
I
represent
some
property
owners
that
utilize
the
alleyway
for
access
and,
in
particular
the
momentum
gallery.
C
It
has
access
through
that
alleyway
and
the
parking
lot
and
the
issue
that
I
have
with
that
access.
Shannon
was
right.
There
is
a
public
alley
that
ranges
in
size
from
25
at
its
largest
down
to
a
little
less
in
the
back.
However,
in
that
alleyway
there
are
deeded,
at
least
for
my
client
momentum
gallery.
There
are
deeded
parking
spaces
and
those
parking
spaces
are
your
typical
nine
foot
wide
parking
spaces,
and
so
even
at
the
largest
on
a
25
foot
alleyway.
C
I
think
it's
lots,
eight
to
nine,
don't
have
that
deeded
access,
and
so
I
think
it's
it's
more
than
just
an
assumption
that
there's
access
I've
got
a
significant
amount
of
title.
Research
that
was
conducted
that
shows
access
is
less
than
25
feet
because
of
these
deeded
parking
lots
and
that
72
broadway
may
not
in
fact
have
the
legal
right
to
use
that
alleyway
and
then
the
last
thing
that
that
I
would
say
is
in
that
alleyway.
C
And
without
that
funding
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
ability
to
enforce
towing,
not
one
particular
person,
can
tow
somebody
else's
car
if
it's
in
an
appropriate
spot,
and
so
I
think
it's
it's
something
that
doesn't
need
to
be
overlooked.
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
the
developer
and
their
legal
counsel.
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
brad
at
the
city
about
what
I've
found,
but
from
a
design
perspective
using
that
alleyway
is
inappropriate
in
that
the
smallest,
the
skinniest
area
of
that
alleyway
is
16
feet
and
so
eric.
C
I
appreciate
the
design
changes
that
you've
made
in
the
past,
but
with
the
main
entrance
and
exit
for
the
parking
garage
coming
through
that
alley.
I
I
think
that
that's
a
big
hurdle
as
far
as
design
elements,
and
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
to
listen.
H
And
this
this
design
does
assume
that
they
have
the
ability
to
use
the
alley
in
the
way
they
want
to.
So
if,
if
it
is
verified
that
that
there
is
some
legal
reason
that
they
cannot
use
the
ally
in
this
way,
then
then
that
could
you
know,
result
in
a
change
in
the
overall
design
for
access.
So
I
don't
know
that
the
alley
has
to
be
20
feet
wide.
This
is
not
a
public
road.
H
H
It
would
be
helpful
to
have.
I
think,
mr
golden
talk
to
your
client
eric
and
see.
I
imagine
your
client
has
an
attorney
as
well.
Maybe
the
attorneys
can
get
together
and
kind
of
figure
out
this
access,
because
I
think
it
will
have
a
fairly
profound
effect.
You
know
if
we
have
to
move
the
entrance
to
the
front
of
the
building,
it
will
have
a
pretty
profound
effect
on
the
design.
E
C
C
Your
udo
section
7-11-2
in
parange,
says
it's
got
to
be
a
minimum
of
20
feet
and-
and
I
think
the
the
minimum
in
that
alley
is
16
feet
so
that
that
was
where
I
got
my
comments
from,
and
that
was
from
the
udo.
C
But
but
eric
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
your
client
and
and
share
the
information
that
I
have,
which
I
think
limits
the
ability
to
use
that
that
alleyway,
as
as
the
primary
access.
I
I
B
F
B
Was
going
to
suggest?
Thank
you,
so,
if
everybody's
done
with
that,
I
think
with
that
caller
we
are
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
informal
design
review
project,
which
is
363
hilliard
the
avery,
and
we
have
seen
this
project
before.
A
You
get
a
full
screen,
but
the
best
we
can
do.
Okay,
yeah,
so
you've
seen
this
project
a
few
times.
A
Essentially,
this
is
a
informal
kind
of
a
courtesy
review
that
the
applicants
requested
because
it
was
recommended
and
voted
to
not
be
recommended
for
approval
by
this
committee.
A
Back
in
january,
they
went
ahead
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
meeting
in
february,
2nd
anyhow
after
making
some
pretty
significant
changes
to
the
facade
and
ended
up
getting
approved
by
planning
and
zoning
and
they're
going
to
go
to
city
council
next
tuesday,
the
22nd
for
for
final
approval,
and
they
wanted
to
come
back
to
you
all,
with
their
revised
plans
to
kind
of
get
a
courtesy
review
and
that
way
any
any
comments.
A
A
So,
let's
see
just
hit
some
highlights.
This
is
at
the
corner
of
klingman
and
hilliard
avenues,
both
of
which
are
key
pedestrian
streets.
A
total
of
187
residential
units
are
proposed
between
the
two
buildings.
The
building
on
the
left
is
proposed
to
be
five
stories
and
with
leasing
and
commercial
and
amenity
space
on
the
ground
floor
on
hillyard
and
then
the
second
building
is
residential.
Only
can
be
three
stories.
A
I'm
just
going
to
flip
right
to
the
access
is
off
hilliard
and
pearl
street.
A
total
of.
A
A
Some
conditions
that
the
project
has
offered
is
that
they're
going
to
re-stripe
hilliard
avenue
to
have
bike
lanes
running
west
and
running
east.
A
left
turn
lane
off
hilliard
eastbound
on
pearl
street
to
help
with
any
potential
backups
there
they're
working
with
the
utility
companies
to
bury
the
underground
to
bury
the
above
ground
utilities
that
are
currently
on
billiard
and
clingman
avenues.
A
So,
as
far
as
the
design
of
the
actual
buildings,
some
minor
changes
to
the
hilliard
avenue
elevation,
mostly
with
like
the
emollient
patterns
of
the
windows,
especially
on
the
ground
floor.
A
A
They've
added
entrances
with
these
kind
of
stoop
and
porch
features
along
clingman
to
help
activate
the
street
and
also
kind
of
bumped
out
the
balconies.
A
bit
that
you'll
see
in
the
renderings
more.
A
These
elevations
around
the
corner
next
to
the
usps
site,
didn't
change
too
much
and
then
likewise,
with
the
parking
lot
elevation.
A
The
residential
building
kind
of
lost
some
windows
along
the
way
and
they've
added
those
windows
back
in
so
has
a
lot
more
frustration
and
overall,
similar
design
as
last
time
as
well.
A
Here's
a
close-up
view,
so
you
kind
of
see
how
the
balconies
protrude
a
little
bit
along
the
way
some
of
the
entrances
proposed
off
of
clingman.
A
Let's
see
a
little
better
in
the
next
one
too,
so
to
kind
of
help.
You
know:
break
up
the
massing
break
up
kind
of
the
monotony
of
the
previous
design
of
the
facade,
also
activate
the
street
level
with
those
entrances
as
well.
A
A
A
E
I
Yeah
so
communicated.
I
think
these
comments
to
the
design
team
presented
substantially.
This
redesign
to
several
of
us,
I
think,
prior
to
the
pnz
meeting,
I
sent
my
comments
into
pnz
as
an
official
comment,
and
I
was
just
going
to
go
over
those
again
that
the
revisions
have
improved
building.
I
thought
the
breaks
in
the
composition
between
the
two
corners
on
on
clingman
did
a
better
job
of
breaking
up
the
mass
into
three
overall
components.
I
I
think
the
pedestrian
access
via
the
walk-up
unit
units
shown
on
on
clingman
have
have
kind
of
activated
that
what,
in
the
way
that
we
were
speaking
about,
that
differentiate,
articulates
the
street
wall
facade
and
specifically
complies
with
recommendation,
1f
and
1g
of
the
downtown
master
plan,
and
that
the
revisions
to
the
fenestration
and
the
brick
detailing
at
the
hilliard
street
level
was
enhanced
over
the
previous
submittal
that
we
had
seen,
and
I
essentially
that
I
would
be
in
support
of
approving
the
project
as
it
has
been
revised
and
just
appreciate
the
design
team's
continual
work
on
on
listening
to
all
of
our
recommendations
and
trying
to
incorporate
those.
B
H
Sorry,
I
was
just
going
to
say
we're
not
going
to
re-vote
on
it
because
that's
already
done,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
be
able
to
report
to
council
that,
during
this
courtesy
review
at
least
a
majority
of
the
committee
members
supported
the
redesign.
So
that's
kind
of
the
goal
of
today's
meeting.
H
B
J
J
F
D
B
Okay,
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
for
that.
B
E
B
F
I
B
Are
there
any
more
comments
or
can
we
move
on
to
future
discussion?
Topics
kim
really
has
her
hand
up.
G
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
the
development
and
design
team
as
well.
I
know
that
last
time
was
a
little
disappointing
on
your
end,
to
hear
all
the
comments
and
the
changes
and
the
requests-
and
this
is
actually
what
being
a
professional
and
really
skilled
team,
looks
like
is
being
able
to
see
the
issues,
hear
the
problems,
adapt
and
produce
something,
that's
even
more
spectacular.
So
thank
you
so
much.
B
Okay,
if
no
one
else
has
any
more
comments,
we
will
move
on
to
future
discussion
topics.
Does
anyone
have
any
future
discussion
topics
I'd
like
to
bring
up.
B
We
will
be
having
new
members
at
some
point.
Shannon
do
you
know
when
shannon.
H
I
well
I
don't
know,
I
think
council
is,
I
think,
at
their
next
meeting.
They
may
be
appointing
at
least
one
more.
I
think
one
more
member
and
I'm
not
sure
I'll-
have
to
check
on
the
status
of
the
others,
and
we
can
email
you
that
I
did
just
want
to
briefly
mention.
H
Some
of
you
may
be
aware
that
council
is
returning
to
in-person
meetings.
The
buncombe
county
mass
mandate
has
been
dropped,
but
we
city
and
county
facilities
are
still
asking
for
masking
during
gatherings
of
you
know,
larger
groups,
so
council
will
be
meeting
in
person
at
the
harris
cherokee
center,
but
are
still
asking
for
people
to
be
masked.
H
We
do
expect
that
our
boards
and
commissions
will
also
return
to
in-person
meetings,
but
we
are
awaiting
directions,
so
it
may
be
some
time.
I
think
we
will
probably
have
at
least
a
couple
months
to
allow
for
transition
once
they
do
announce.
So
I
think
we
can
expect
to
continue
to
meet
remotely,
at
least
for
another.
You
know
couple
months
but
we'll
be
sure
to
update
you
as
soon
as
we
have
more
information.
B
Thank
you,
shannon
kimberly
had
her
hand
up
and
then
stage.
L
That
sounds
good.
Oh
mine
is
simple.
My
understanding,
I'm
also
the
riverfront
commission
chair.
I
think
we
appointed
kate
and
kaya
to
the
design
review
committee.
So
you
do
have
one
new
member
that
we
have
already
planned
to
send
your
way
next
month
and
I
think
we're
voting
on
one
more
shannon's
right.
G
Yeah
thanks,
so
I
just
wanted
to
ask
and
see
if
we
could
like
vote
on,
you
know
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair.
I
think
we
have
an
interim
and
I'd
like
to
see.
If
that's
the
possibility
today.
H
It's
it
is
up
to
the
commission,
you
all
can
decide.
I
thought
we
had
decided
to
wait
until
we
had
at
least
a
couple
more
appointees
join
the
committee,
and
that's
why
I
didn't
put
it
on
this
agenda,
but
yeah.
G
H
B
Have
to
have
any
choice:
okay!
Well
then,
our
future
discussion
topic
is
next
march.
Look
for
some
exciting
elections.
I
B
Yeah,
we
don't
have
a
nominating
committee
or
anything
like
that,
all
right.
Well,
if
no
one
else
has
anything
else,
then
I
think
we've
been
on
here
long
enough
and
can
go
about
the
rest
of
our
day.
Everybody
feel
good.
J
This
is
kind
of
an
anomaly
and
I
wanted
to.
I
didn't
want
to
bring
this
up.
We
this
setting
was
supposed
to
be
turned
off,
but
there
it.
It
was
allowing
live
text
comment
during
the
first
item
which
we're
not
supposed
to
have,
but
I
shannon
you
might
be
able
to
answer
this
too,
but
I
didn't
know
if
we,
if
you
wanted
me
to,
I
don't
know,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
because
there
was
one
public
live
text
comment
during
the
first
item,
but
since
it's
already
been
voted
on,
I
didn't
know.
H
Let
let
how
about
you-
and
I
look
at
that
and
if
we
need
to
add
it
to
the
public,
comment
folder
or
share
it
with
the
committee
we
will,
but
since
they've
already
voted.
I
think
we
move
on
at
this
point.
Okay,.