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B
Good
morning
everybody
I'm
chair,
barry
bialik,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
october
7th
2021,
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
meeting.
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings.
A
little
bit
differently.
B
B
And
use
meeting
code
7663
to
listen
in
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you,
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
meet
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option
star
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after
you
are
done
speaking
granny
members.
As
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello.
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A
D
D
B
I
think
so
and
paul
heathman
is
not
able
to
join
today
and
joe.
Are
you
out
there
joe
said
she
would
be
able
to
phone
in,
but
I
haven't
seen
it
pop
up
yet
and
then
amber
banks
is
a
member,
she
has
resigned
so
we
do
have.
We
have
an
open
seat
that
we'll
be
discussing
and
we
put
out
for
advertisement
all
right.
Has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
the
meetings
from
last
from
september,
2nd.
B
Great,
oh
thank
you.
Minutes
approved
all
right,
so
we're
going
to
skip
around
the
agenda
just
a
little
bit
so
for
community
development
updates.
We'll
take
that
until
later,
paul
d'angelo's
got
a
prior
commitment.
He
said
he
might
be
able
to
join
later
so
we'll
see
we'll
see
how
that
meeting
goes.
If
he
does
meanwhile,
we'll
we'll
kind
of
move
on
with
our
discussions.
B
B
Notice
that
yeah
things
anything
that's
good,
it's
it's,
the
amount
of
houses
on
the
market
is
is
crazy.
I
was
I
looked
over
the
the
report,
the
the
buncombe
county
report.
I
think
I
think
it
was
like
the
average
house
price
now
in
asheville's
four.
You
know
I
went
right
in
front
of
me,
but
I
believe
it
was
400
something
thousand
and
the
average
was
the
average
in
buncombe
was
500.
F
B
Which
is,
I
was
shocked,
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
skew
happened.
How
buncombe
was.
I
think
this
is
what
I
was
reading,
that
buncombe
was
higher
than
asheville
for
average
price,
but
it
was.
It
was
stunning,
any
questions
on
the
hacker
report
about
vouchers.
B
K
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
updated
monthly
for
my
board,
so
obviously
it
does
fluctuate
from
month
to
month,
just
depending
on
our
numbers.
The
only
thing
I
would
update
is
because
I'm
always
reporting
a
month
behind.
So
this
is
august
report,
but
I
just
updated
some
numbers
and
actually
our
vouchers
that
we
have
out
on
the
street
looking
are
up
at
up
to
138
right
now.
So
that's
the
only
update
I
have
on
that.
B
Okay,
can
you
just
you
know
one
thing
it
was?
It
was
really
interesting
having
kate
from
thrive.
You
know
at
our
meeting
last
last
month
because
it
just
kind
of
you
know
shared
a
little
bit
how
their
their
programs
kind
of
connect
a
little
bit
with
the
vouchers.
So
do
you
do
you
know
how
like
so?
I
had
an
instance
this
week,
where
I
guess,
where
some
place,
someone
that's
on
like
a
voucher
program
was
not
eligible,
would
not
be
eligible
for
the
thrive
program.
B
Do
you
know
how
those
how
the
how
that
qualifications
are
different.
K
So
I
believe
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
done
the
thrive
meetings,
but
I
believe
that
what
what
we
have
is
it's
only
our
pbv
residents
so
coming
from
one
of
our
developments
that
are
moving
to
tenant
mobility,
voucher,
which
is
what
they
can
use
with
any
private
landlord
in
the
community
and
also
it
has
to
be
a
family
with
children.
B
L
F
K
K
We
also
have
tenant-based
mainstream
vouchers,
which
are
also
non-elderly
disabled,
but
the
difference
there
is
anyone
in
the
household
can
be
non-elderly.
Disabled
ned,
the
head
of
household
has
to
be
non-elderly
disabled
to
qualify
for
that,
and
then,
of
course,
just
our
regular
tenant-based
vouchers.
K
Other
the
other
is
yes,
yes,
and
we
also
do
have
the
emergency
housing
vouchers
which
we
haven't
started
reporting
on
yet,
but
we
did
receive
emergency
housing
vouchers
and
those
are
for
people
that
are
in
imminent
danger
of
becoming
homeless.
K
K
K
B
Okay,
so
available,
okay.
So
like
example,
like
example
like
if
I'm
trying
to
connect
this
with
just
you
know,
so
I'm
you
know
understanding
how
this
connects
with
that
thrive,
program
or
other
program.
So
in
this
case,
so
then
in
the
project
based,
it
says,
there's
what
sorry
it's
really
dark
and
where
I'm
I
87
available.
K
G
K
K
E
B
How
would
like
again
this
like
this
to
this
actively
looking
column?
How
do
you
so
do
those
tenants
they
sell
for
they
report
to
you
if
they're
actively
looking,
is
that
how
it's
known.
K
So
what
what,
when
they're
issued
a
voucher?
They
have
to
go
to
an
orientation
which
is
about
a
two
hour
informational
session
which
goes
over
all
their
information.
They
get
their
voucher,
they
get
their
rent
limits.
They
get
all
the
paperwork
that
they
would
need
to
take
to
a
landlord
to
get
a
unit
inspected
so
and
they're
given
a
time.
So
we
initially
give
them
90
days
and
then
they
can
ask
for
another
90-day
extension
for
a
total
of
188.
B
Okay,
and
is
there
ever
sorry,
I'm
just.
D
B
B
J
B
B
K
F
F
B
B
It's
also
to
know
that
you
know
if
other
projects
come
online
and
follow
that
same
program,
how
we
better
know
who
those
who
are
in
projects
that
you
know
who
are
currently
have
project-based
vouchers
who
are
seeking,
so
we
can
so
that
be
to
have
that
number.
So
we
know
how.
B
B
Yeah
yeah,
but
it's
you
know
it's
interesting
to
read:
it's
definitely
the
one
that
you
know
especially,
is
a
new
report.
I've
studied
more
and
like
especially
knowing
some
other
programs
out
there,
it's
interesting
but
but
yeah.
So
I
do
see
that
there's
that
little
that
that
one
little
connection
that
would
be
interesting
to
develop
more
so
we
we
know
what
the
quantity
of
those
people
that
we
that
are
actively
looking
that
are
in
projects.
G
Okay,
so
I
have
one
more
question:
under
the
housing
choice:
voucher
annual
trends
in
august,
we
currently
have
612
people
on
the
wait
list.
K
B
Okay,
all
right,
and
then
we
had
okay,
great
all
right
thanks
any
other
questions
on
that.
B
All
right
great
moving
along,
so
our
task
forces.
You
know
we
we've
got
our
build
task
force
and
our
connect
task
force.
Andy.
You
want
to
give
an
update
on
the
connect
task
force.
What
when
y'all
have
met
last
and
we're
going
in
any
way
we
can
support.
J
Sure
we
had
a
meeting
middle
of
the
well
late
last
month,
again
still
trying
to
get
our
get
our
bearings
on
this
on
this
task
as
a
as
a
task
force
kind
of
a
different
group
of
task
force.
Members
involved
in
this
meeting
than
the
first
time
we
met.
So
what
we're
looking
at
doing
is
as
a
way
to
really
get
it.
Get
a
gauge
on
people's
access
to
units
and
their
ability
to
connect
with
affordable
housing
units
is
to
do
some
outreach.
J
As
committee
members,
with
a
with
a
scripted
set
of
questions
to
the
affordable
housing
partners
that
are
listed
on
the
on
the
city's
resource
guide
for
affordable
housing,
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
have
a
little
bit
of
a
sense
of
of
what
the
what
the
public's
experience
is
reaching
out
to
those
agencies
get
a
better
gauge
on
what
their
unit
availability
might
be
at
any
point
in
time
and
their
eligibility
criteria.
J
So
the
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
take
on
here,
as
we
as
we
start
to
get
the
task
force,
solidified
and
moving
on
something.
J
I
somehow
wound
up
as
the
as
the
de
facto
organizer
of
this
task
force
and
I'm
terrible
at
that.
So
if
there's
somebody
who's
willing
to
jump
in
and
just
wrangle
committee
members
and
and
and
get
the
meeting
dates
on
the
calendar,
that
would
that
would
speed
things
up
quite
a
bit.
B
D
B
Or
or
if
you
I
mean
because
yeah
when
I
read
through
the
notes
last
time,
and
I
liked
that
you
know
like
the
direction
you
guys
were
going-
I
guess
it's
yeah,
just
let
us
know
what
we
could
support
or
if
we
need
to
shuffle,
you
know
see
if
we
need
to
shuffle
around
any
members.
If
you
know,
if
you
know,
if
you
need
others
who
have
more
time
to
participate
or
something
like
that,.
J
B
We'll
do
it
all
right
our
build
build
task
forces
we
met.
Last
week,
we've
been
meeting
almost
more
than
once
a
month.
I
think
just
anyone
who
I'm
actually
curious
to
hear
from
margie
or
barge
margie.
Would
you
like
to
update
you
know,
because
I
mean
I
know
what
my
things
are,
but
I'd
rather
maybe
hear
someone
else
speak
of
what,
how
kind
of
update
on
our
meetings
and
your
thoughts
on
them
and
where
we're
going.
G
We've
been
meeting
every
two
weeks
and
our
hope
was
to
have
somebody
from
the
from
the
different
areas,
different
departments
of
the
count
of
the
city
come
to
us
and
tell
us
some
things
that
might
be
shortcuts
things
that
might
be
ways
to
to
be
more
efficient
for
small
developers
to
get
started.
G
So
last
time
we
had
kevin
from
the
water
department,
water,
msd
and
not
water,
but
msd,
and
so
he
talked
to
us
about
some
of
the
regulations
and
the
history
of
the
department
and
how
it
came
to
be
and
helped
us
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
why
things
are
the
way
they
are
they're
difficult,
they're,
not
easy
and,
like
you
know,
not
having
any
incentives
and
that
are
easily
obtained
by
developers.
G
So
and
then
we've
got
more
people
from
the
city
departments
coming
next
next
time,
which
one
is
that
barry?
I
don't
know
who's
coming
next.
B
I've
got
some
emails
out,
I'm
trying
to
get
trying
to
get
water
in.
G
Right
so
I
mean
we
were
hoping
to
be
able
to
pull
together
some
type
of
guide
for
small
developers
so
that
they
can
get
more
products
in
the
market
and
that
we
can
take
to
to
eventually
take
to
council
and
get
them
to
approve.
B
I
found
emma's,
you
know
it's
we're
put
together,
listic
of
all
the
different
departments
from
zoning,
the
you
know
to
water,
to
sewer,
to
there's
a
few
others,
but
but
to
look
at
like
or
and
speak
from,
experience
from
the
engineering
side,
the
building
side
of
large
small
from
the
planning
side
and
understand
kind
of
why
there
are
certain
barriers
and
then
look
for
where
we,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
a
local
thing,
whether
like
whether
it's
a
municipality
thing,
whether
it's
a
state
thing
to
or
whether
it's
just
a
policy
change
that
can
be
affected
locally.
B
B
But
you
know
it's
a
certain
amount
of
linear
feed
over
five
years,
but
as
far
as
like
identifying
new
zone,
new
areas
of
expansion
and
extending
it's
not
in
their
charter
to
do
so,
it
solely
relies
on
private
developers,
which
I
found
was
fascinating
because,
as
any
you
know
other
places
I've
lived.
They
do
urban
growth
studies
that
you
know
that
the
sewer.
B
You
know
infrastructure
has
to
be
a
major
partner
in
those
studies
because
they,
if,
if
an
area
is
made
zoned,
you
know
zoned
denser
if
it
doesn't
have
the
sewer
infrastructure
to
to
connect
with
it,
then
it's
it's
kind
of
useless.
B
So
I
thought
that
was
really
interesting
because
and
it's
not
and
it's
not
a
state
thing,
it's
a
something
specifically
in
msd's
charter.
So
I
found
that
fascinating
because
my
understanding
is
henderson,
hendersonville,
henderson,
county
or
the
henderson
mse
is
different
like
they.
They
actually
can
identify
expansion
areas
and
extend
the
sewer
line
for
that.
So
I
thought
that
was
a
really
interesting
thing
and
then
kevin's
provided
a
list
of
the
different
msd
committees
that
we
can
participate
in
and
lobby
for
some
change
because
that's
you
know,
like
I
said
that
was.
B
Yeah
well,
what
he
said
is
so
far.
I've
got
a
that
he
sent
over
the
comprehensive
yeah.
I
actually
do
have
that.
The
list
of
committees
we'll
send
that
out
and
he
also
sent
me
the
other
day,
the
link
to
their
comprehensive
their
forgot,
what
he
calls
their
their
growth.
Their
excuse
me
not
a
growth
plan,
but
the
redevelopment
plan.
Okay,
it's
a
zip
file,
so
I
can
send
it
out.
Barry.
H
This
is
this
is
chris.
I
I
too
found
that
very
interesting
that
that
they
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
actually
extend
their
lines.
They
they
can
only
acquire
lines
that
are
built
by
by
private
developer,
built
by
private
development.
Interestingly
enough,
they
do
have
a
master
plan
where
they've
identified,
where
strategically
lines
should
be
expanded
and
what
sizes
they
should
be
expanded
to
to
accommodate
future
growth
areas.
But
it's
they
don't
it's
it's
not
publicly.
H
I
mean
they'll
they'll
provide
it,
but
it's
not
it's
not
like
a
a
website
to
go,
look
at
and
see
so
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
there,
but
I
think
some
continued
thoughts
on
how
you
know,
evaluation
of
that
master
plan
and
and
trying
to
find
what
entities
could
come
together
to
to
expand
on
that
to
kind
of
create
these
more
opportunities
for
for
housing.
G
B
So
I
thought
that
was
you
know
that
was
like
a
little
bit
of
shining
light
for
how
we
can
also
connect
and
identify
with
them
with
where
there
might
be
dense,
affordable
housing
projects
and
there's
also
a
possible
you
know,
marketed
to
developer
tools
like
for
affordable
housing
developers.
There
actually
is
some
funding.
I
don't
remember
I
I
mean
I
heard
a
I
kind
of
remember
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
number.
I
don't
know.
H
H
About
13
of
them,
maybe
just
I
mean
it's
it's
something
that
does
seem
to
be
getting
utilized,
so
they,
when
the
projects
come
about
kevin,
is
communicating
that
those
opportunities
are
out
there.
F
H
B
Yeah,
I
thought
I
thought
it
was
interesting,
especially
as
we're
trying
to
target
in
on
things
that
are
what
are
the
barriers
and
that's
certainly
a
barrier
but
to
know
at
least
for
affordable
housing
there
there
is.
You
know
there
is
a
budget
for
that,
even
though
you
know
fifty
thousand
dollars
kind
of
barely
buys
you
the
engineering
on
it
nowadays,
but
that's
yeah,
but
that
was
good
to
know
it
was
really
it
was
really.
B
I
you
know
I
find
this
stuff
fascinating
and
especially
it
helps
helps
whether
I
like
the
roadblocks
I
hit.
It
helps
at
least
sometimes
understanding
why
they're
there
makes
it
easier
to
target
who
the
worker
you
know
where
the
lobbying
needs
to
go
to
change
them.
So
you
know
I've.
I've
been
I've
enjoyed
our
meetings
and
I've
enjoyed
them.
You
know
what
we've
all
learned
from
them
and
you
know
continue.
I
think
we'll
continue
to
do
so
anything
else.
Anyone
else
want
to
add
anything
on
build
task
force.
D
B
It's
on
our
agenda.
Let
me
list
our
affordable
housing
challenge,
it's
kind
of
just
been
there
a
while,
but
that's
basically
what
I'd
say
a
lot
of
those
a
lot
of
those
challenges
is
kind
of
what
why
we
really
should
connect
with
the
task
force.
Essentially,
I
think
that's
what
we've
we've
identified
and
we're
using
the
task
force
to
try
to
hit
some
of
those
those
items,
so
maybe
in
the
future
I'll
have
to
kind
of
maybe
just
drop
that
in
that's
part
of
the
purpose
of
the
task
forces.
B
Would
it
help
that
like
and
andy
alex
one
question?
Will
it
help
would
it
would
it
help
to
have
any
discussion
about
what
the
like
the
purpose
of
the
connect
should
be
or
do
you
or
do
you
want
to
guys
solidify
that,
like
I'm
thinking,
maybe
the
next
agenda
now
that
we've
met
a
few
times
and
had
more
than
just
organizational
meetings
if
we
want
to
add
kind
of
what
we
see
as
our
purposes
to
each
of
these
task
forces.
J
I
think
we've
done
a
good
job
of
of
working
that
out
with
the
task
force.
It's
really
just
a
it's
a
time
on
task
issue
and
if,
if
the
expectation
is
we're
gonna,
you
know
we're
gonna
match
you
guys
on
the
connect
they're
on
the
build
team
with
a
you
know,
twice
a
month
meeting
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
put
that
out
there
and
make
it
happen.
B
Yeah,
no,
I
think
I
think
it's
no,
I'm
not
I'm
not
pushing
for
that
at
all
we're
all
very
busy.
Now
I
think
if
I've
just
maybe
for
the
next,
what
we
can
each
do
is
from
our
you
know,
wrap
just
put
a
single,
a
single
wine
or
two
on
our
task
forces
that
we
can
publicly
share
what
we
see
our
purposes.
Are
that
way
we
you
know
we
could
keep
our
meetings
kind
of
targeted
towards
that.
B
C
So
yeah
our
our
planned
last
last
last
last
meeting,
hopefully
will
be
in
october.
13Th
city
staff
will
be
sharing.
C
I
was
just
actually
just
looking
at
the
draft
open
space
text
and
I
think
there
have
been
a
couple
really
good,
substantial
changes
in
that,
particularly
on
dimensional
standards.
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
harped
on
was
you
know.
An
original
standard
of
you
know
20
feet
as
a
minimum
space
for
any
open
space,
and
I
you
know
continually
pointed
out
at
least
on
small
urban
sites.
That's
a
huge
amount
of
space.
So
that's.
C
The
current
draft
proposes
10
feet
instead
of
20
feet,
it's
a
very
specific
dimensional
standard,
but
I
think
it
could
have
a
definite
impact
on
small
urban
sites.
They've
also
been
the
discussion
of
being
able
to
use
things
like
aquatic
buffers
and
setbacks
as
up
to
50
of
your
open
space,
pending
that
it's
less
than
15
and
actually
a
usable
space,
and
I
think
that's
been
another
good
recognition
of
getting
a
potential
double
use
out
of
things
like
aquatic
buffers
and
landscape
buffers
whatnot.
C
The
also
members
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
have
definitely
been
the
most.
I
guess
resistant
to
those
ideas
and
others.
You
know
we
keep
in
our
meetings,
keep
having
a
discussion
about.
What's
what's
a
balance-
and
I
think
you
know
some
of
those
members
perceive
that
you
know
the
balance
starts
over
here
versus
in
the
middle.
C
So
that's
that's
been
a
point
of
ongoing
discussion,
but
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
at
least
we,
the
members
will
be
able
to
wrap
up
next
week
and
get
that
moved
on
to
city
council
by
I
believe
december.
So
november,
planning
and
zoning
commission
december
city
council
consideration.
F
B
Think
I
haven't
seen
paul
jump
in
yet
the
correct
new
poll.
Yet
so
you
know
what
we've
started
some
discussion
on
and
I
guess
you
know
we'll
have
a
good
good
amount
of
time
now
to
talk
about
kind
of
a
scaled,
affordable,
housing
rebate.
You
know
we
talked
about
it
last.
You
know
just
started
a
conversation
last
time
you
know
asked
y'all
to
just
think
about
a
little
bit,
and
so
now
you
know
we
get
to
really
maybe
just
go
around,
and
I
mean
that
you
know.
B
It's
a
you
know
how
it
pretty
much
is
tied
to
a
20-year
deed
restriction
for
affordability,
whether
it's
for
you
know,
housing,
whether
it's
for
ownership
or
rental
housing,
trust
fund.
So
the
question
is,
it
has
been.
How
do
we
get?
You
know?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
date
before
getting
married?
How
do
we
have
a
policy
or
kind
of
in-between
process
that
allows
that
you
know
it
doesn't
have
a
hundred
percent
rebate?
You
know
credits
are
the
same
way,
but
what
it
would?
B
What
do
we
feel
comfortable
with
for
different
time,
commitments
for
different
kind
of
programs
that
that
we
can
offer
how
we
want
to
start
this
discussion?
Do
we
want
to?
I
guess
the
first
thing
is
like
maybe
the
overall
concept
like
so
right
now,
it's
a
20-year
is:
is
the
appetite
of
the
committee
to
have
something
as
low
as
five
years
is
always
two
years
different
scales?
B
What
do
I
guess
I'll
just
really
go
around?
Have
a
good
roundtable
discussion
on
it
a
little
harder
virtually,
but
you
know
I
used
to
like
just
like
doing
those
one
in
person,
so
we'll
go
around
and
do
this
so
I'll
just
kind
of
call
on
you,
each
and
just
kind
of
just
share
your
thoughts,
what
you
have
on
it
and
I
can
catch
my
catch.
My
throat
here
how
about
andy
I'll
start
with
you
just
because
you're
in
my
top
left
corner.
J
J
What
would
what
would
be
a
meaningful
incentive
for
a
developer
to
actually
take
some
action?
And
you
know
that
I
mean
I
think
we
would
need
to
have
some
kind
of
gauge
around
you
know.
What
would
you
know
no
point
drafting
out
of
a
policy
that
you
know
doesn't,
you
know,
doesn't
create
opportunities
at
all.
I
also
would
think
I
mean
to
me
with
all
of
you
know,
with
any
kind
of
rental
development.
J
The
single
single
best
thing
that
we
can
do
from
a
policy
perspective
for
affordability
is
to
require
vouchers,
is
to
require
that
the
building
accept
vouchers.
J
So
I
would
rather
link
you
know
a
subsidy
of
some
kind
or
a
developer
incentive
of
some
kind
to
voucher
acceptance,
rather
than
to
a
specific
period
of
affordability
that
they
have
to.
You
know
they
have
to
drive.
You
know
a
below
market
rent
rate,
but
that's
that's
my
two
cents
on
it.
Okay,.
B
Yeah,
like
that
area
code-
seven,
I
don't
know
who
that
is,
but
how
about
scott?
Since
I
see
your
face
and
I'll
go
through
I'll,
go
through
the
list
of
members
apple
from
sure.
C
So
I'm
always
hearing
it,
but
I
can
never
remember
what
the
breakdown
is.
The
80
20
80,
you
remind
me
what
that
or
80
20
20.
What
that
breakdown
is
that's
80
emi.
C
Right
right
so
I
mean,
when
I
see
that
it
just
I
mean
I
think
the
question
that's
coming
up
is
that
when
a
project
doesn't
meet
that,
then
it
you
know
it
just
doesn't
happen.
So
it
seems
like
an
all
or
nothing
proposition,
and
I
guess
what
we're
trying
to
get
into
the
discussion
of.
C
Is
you
know
a
nuance
or
an
index
of
you
know:
hey,
could
you
do
80
10,
80,
10,
10
or
something
like
that
in
it
so
yeah
I
mean
I'm
definitely
open
to
the
idea
of
nuance
and
index
so
that
you're
getting
you
might
not
get
perfect,
but
you
could
have
a
better
chance
of
getting
good
and
I
think
you
know
if
we're,
I
guess.
If
we
I'll
say
I
as
a
you
know,
just
a
pure,
you
know
numbers
and
supply
oriented
person.
If
it's
just
getting.
C
B
H
I
would
agree
with
scott
as
it
relates
to
just
you
know,
increasing
supply
to
help
with
the
the
overall
economics
of
the
situation.
H
In
regards
to
incentives,
I
feel
like
something
that
would
be
really
worthwhile
is
a
true
expedited
review
process,
something
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
something
that
that
builders
and
developers
would
would
pay
attention
to.
I
mean
if
you
had
the
ability
that,
because
you
were
providing
affordability,
that
you
could
kind
of
skip
to
the
front
of
the
line,
as
you
were,
making
recent
middles
or
some
type
of
a
priority
system.
I
think
that
would
be
an
easy
low
call.
H
H
I
don't.
If
it
is
it's
not
really.
I
don't
think
it's
communicated
well
or
I
haven't
seen
it
applicable.
The.
H
I
don't
see
those
folks
wanting
to
restrict
those
properties
for
20
years
or
the
or
the
single
family
homeowner
who's
wanting
to
just
rent.
You
know
to
have
one
rental
property:
it's
really.
It
would
be
good
to
see
some
kind
of
whether
it's
just
the
first
one
or
or
a
smaller
time
frame.
Five
or
ten
years
seems
like
we
would
get
a
lot
more.
Even.
F
F
B
So,
basically,
the
current
for
for
housing
trust
fund
for
luigi
for
the
pretty
much
the
standard
to
qualify
for
any
kind
of
affordable
housing
project
where
there's
funds
coming
from
the
city
or
a
fee
rebate,
and
even
a
fee
rebate
program
right
now
the
to
get
this,
this
official
stamp
from
the
city
for
affordable
housing,
it's
it's
80,
yeah,
it's
80
ami,
so
it
has
to
be
full.
B
You
know
eighty
percent
of
iowa
below
20
of
the
units
for
20
with
a
20-year
deed
restriction
of
affordability,
and
that
goes
for
for
home
ownership
or
for
for
rentals.
So
that
means
that
you
know
if
an
affordable
house
was
created,
whether
you
know
for
home
ownership.
So
this
is
where
this
particularly
been
impossible.
That
means
that
the
deed
is
going
to
have
a
20-year
deed
restriction
for
that
it
remains
affordable.
B
So
it
would,
you
know,
continue
to
remain
with
that
deed,
even
after
the
person
sells
it,
if
not
and
then
for
the
rentals.
It's
the
same
thing.
So
it's
it's.
You
know
what
we've
discussed
is
ways,
especially
for
existing
ren,
existing
landlords
or
or
current.
You
know,
or
small
projects,
if
someone's
building
a
duplex
or
quadplex,
and
they
would
like
to
rent
for
to
try
it
out
because
you
don't
you
know,
you
don't
know
how
it
is.
B
There's
no
incentive
at
all
to
do
that
unless
you're
willing
to
give
20
unless
you're
willing
to
you
know,
have
a
20-year
deep
restriction,
so
it
it
the
question.
Really,
I
guess
that's
kind
of
our
question:
does
it
do?
Does
it
decent
device
people
from
trying
the
program
out
and
then,
if
we
made
it
easier,
would
there
be
more
more
affordable
housing
that
opens
up
at
least
even
if
it's
not
permanent,
affordable?
Is
it
more
that
might
help
that
backlog
of
voucher
acceptance
or
or
that's
kind
of
the
question.
I
Okay,
great,
thank
you
barry.
So,
like
the
others
before
me,
I'm
all
about
approaches
that
would
increase,
inventory
and
opportunity.
I
The
one
question
that
I
do
have
from
from
the
last
meeting,
which,
unfortunately
I
was
unable
to
attend,
we're
talking
about
short-term
affordability
and
that
being
an
untapped
market,
and
I
wonder
if
we
have
any
sense
of
the
size
or
the
potential
size
of
that
market
and
and
how
it
would
impact
the
the
the
landscape.
I
But
I
could
sort
of
logically
and
rationally,
see
especially
from
you
know,
a
single-family
homeowner
perspective
that
I
would
want
to
test
out.
You
know
a
program
for
a
say,
a
five-year
period
before
making
a
determination.
As
to
whether
I
wanted
to
extend
that
or
not.
I
can't
speak
from
the
perspective
of
small
developers,
but
also
rationally.
I
could
see
how
that
20-year
deed
restriction
might
be
a
significant
barrier.
B
G
So
a
couple
of
points:
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
the
the
the
big
incentive
for
larger
developers
with
where
you're
really
going
to
get
a
lot
of
units,
is
the
abatement
of
property
taxes
for
x
number
of
years.
That's
where
that's
where
they're
they're
saying
oh
yay.
G
So
it
is
it's
very
expensive
to
build
a
larger,
complex
and
some
people
just
say
they
can't
get
their
money
back
out
of
it
and
they're
not
going
to
work
at
a
loss
if
it's
a
private
developer,
so
1080
10
might
be
something
that
scaled
or
some
type
of
phased-in
incentives
might
work
for.
Someone
that
you
know
has
to
has
to
put
a
lot
of
money,
I'm
thinking
of
all
the
river
arts
districts
projects
and
how
expensive
it
is
to
to
have
to
build
down
there.
G
You
sometimes
have
wetlands
and
all
kinds
of
things
that
you
have
to
deal
with.
So
I
think
for
some
situations
you
could
go
10
15
20
for
others.
Maybe
you
do
the
10
80
10
and
give
them
a
10
year,
abatement
of
property
taxes,
and
when
you
go
to
the
smaller
developer,
let's
say
they're,
not
really
a
developer
by
career.
It's
later
in
their
lives.
They
have
a
little
extra
money.
They
decide.
They
want
to
do
something
good
for
the
community,
but
they
don't
have
20
years
left.
G
Maybe
they
you
know
their
their
family
doesn't
want
anything
to
do
with
them.
That's
where
the
20
years
really
becomes
so
burdensome,
and
so
maybe
10
years
is
a
lot
easier
to
to
look
at,
and
I
think,
having
a
hard
fast
rule
is
really
discouraging
to
not
only
larger
developers
but
also
certainly
to
smaller
developers
that
the
20
year,
you
know
it's
either
all
or
nothing.
So
I
think
there's
a
definite
way
that
people
can
say
10,
80
10
and
I'm
all
for
doing
it
to
80..
G
I
just
recently
listened
to
a
the
virginia
housing
alliance,
their
annual
meeting
and
for
some
of
theirs
they
go
up
to
a
hundred
a
hundred,
so
ten,
a
hundred
ten.
So
they
they
consider
affordability,
all
the
way
up
to
a
hundred
percent.
G
Where
we're
saying
you
know
80,
or
in
most
cases
like
lee
walker
heights,
is
60,
that
whole
development
is
60
ami
or
below
so,
and
it
depends
on
where
your,
where
you're
located
that
kind
of
thing
too,
but
I
think,
having
just
one
hard
fast
rule
is
there
needs
to
be
some
flexibility
involved
for
sure,
and
I
think
it
could
easily
happen.
G
K
So
I
was
actually
not
in
the
last
meeting,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
listening
and
taking
in
with
what
everyone's
saying
I
did
why.
I
think
it
was
andy
that
said
something
about
making.
You
know
voucher
like
hey.
K
If
you
want
to
build
like
you,
you
have
to
accept
vouchers,
and
although
I
love
that
idea
chicago
has
implemented
that
a
few
years
ago
and
it
just
it,
doesn't
work
super
successfully
because
you
know
yes,
the
landlord
has
to
accept
the
voucher,
but
they
don't
have
to
if
they
have
five
people
and
two
of
them
are
voucher
holders
and
three
aren't
they're
they're
picking
the
other
one
of
the
other
three
just
for
example.
K
So
I
don't
necessarily
know
I
mean
as
much
as
I
would
love
if
that
was
that
worked,
and
that
was
you
know,
because
we
have
so
many
people,
but
I
just
don't
know
that
that
would
work
so
listening
to
all
the
other
great
ideas,
though
too.
K
No,
I,
what
I
was
saying
is
where
he
said
you
know:
oh,
they
have
to.
You,
know
we're
incentivizing
them,
but
they
have
to
take
a
voucher
and
just
because
they
we
say
you
have
to
take
a
voucher,
doesn't
mean
that
they
will
fill
that
unit
with
a
voucher
holder.
If
you
have
five
people
that
apply
for
the
unit
and
two
are
voucher
holders
and
three
or
not
a
lot
of
times,
what
was
happening
is
that
they
were
just
filling
the
unit
with
a
non-voucher
holder.
F
B
Okay,
I
think
brian
look
at
this
brian.
D
D
D
But
when
we
create
that,
though,
I
don't
think
it
should
be
a
linear
relationship,
so
yeah
I
only
do
10
years,
I
get
half
the
incentive.
I
think
you
still
need
to
scale
it
so
that
you
do
encourage
people
to
create,
as
long
a
term
to
lock
up
on
these
properties
as
possible.
D
B
Sorry,
I'm
just
looking
through
my
list.
There's
nothing
someone's
face,
I'm
not
saying.
B
F
B
Was
just
asking
you're,
you
know
we're
just
we're
discussing
kind
of
the
idea
of
scaled,
affordable
housing
rebates
to
with,
and
just
kind
of
you
know,
first
we're
just
kind
of
going
around
asking
our
thoughts
on
that
and
goals.
You
know,
obviously
one
commonwealth
has
come
up
about,
is
increasing
supply,
so
just
kind
of
you
know
we're
just
kind
of
you
know
gauging
everyone's
thoughts
in
this
round
table
styles
for.
E
My
thing
is
that
there's
always
a
loophole
for
every
every
situation
and
like
once,
somebody
before
me
said
that
you
may
you
know
you
may
say
these
homes
are
for
vouchers,
but
they're
going
to
get
those
other
folks
who
don't
have
vouchers,
but
even
if
you
would
incentivize
everything,
there's
always
those
loopholes
that
we
have
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
there
aren't
that
we
there
aren't
any
loopholes
and
they
have
to
be
a
it's
just
that
the
paper
asheville
just
doesn't
give
a
life
of
living
and
so
we're
punished.
E
B
B
D
B
I
guess
I'll,
you
know
I'll
just
share
my
thoughts
yeah.
I
definitely
I
mean.
I
agree.
It's
all
about
it's.
Oh
andy,
did
you
raise
your
hand.
J
Yeah,
I
just
wondered
you
know
as
as
we've
had
this
conversation
and
it's
the
problem
with
going
first,
because
I
you
know,
didn't.
F
C
J
But
I
think
about
you
know:
if
we're
thinking
about
that
20
80
20
model.
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
make
that
you
know,
tie
the
tie
the
incentive
to
some
sort
of
cumulative
approach
to
that.
So
let
me
tell
you
an
example.
J
So
let's
say
you
have
you
know
somebody
who
wants
to
develop
an
adu
in
their
backyard
and
so
they're
building
one
unit
and
they're
going
to
they're
going
to
work
with
thrive
and
accept
voucher
holders,
so
they're
they're
working
with
people
at
30
percent
of
ami,
but
they
don't
really
necessarily
want
to
lock
that
adu
unit
down
for
20
years,
because
at
some
point
they
want
to
switch
it
over
to
a
mother-in-law
cottage
or
something
like
that.
J
So,
but
what
you
wind
up
with
is
a
hundred
percent
of
the
units
at
thirty
percent
ami.
If
we
could
get
you
know
if
we
could
get
those
for
five
years,
you
know
why
wouldn't
that
be?
You
know
why
wouldn't
that
warrant,
a
fee
rebate
or
a
property
tax
abatement,
or
something
like
that.
J
So
you
know
sometimes
we've
built
this
model,
this
sort
of
20
80
20
model
around
large-scale
new
new
rental
development,
and,
if
we're
thinking
about
crafting
these
incentives
to
focus
more
on
that
sort
of
incremental
development,
small
developer,
you
know
maybe
even
the
the
preservation
and-
and
you
know-
transformation
of
existing
property
to
affordable
housing.
J
J
As
you
know,
twenty
percent
of
the
units
for
right,
if
we're
going
to,
if
we're
going
to
do
this,
I'm
going
to
buy
a
small
apartment,
building
and
renovate
it
and
keep
it,
you
know
preserve
affordability
that
may
be
on
all
on
all
the
units
that
might
be
just
as
valuable
to
us
as
having
you
know,
five
units
out
of
a
you
know
out
of
a
40
unit
development
right.
So
I
guess
that's.
That
was
as
we're
thinking
about
nuanced
approaches
here.
I
think
I
think
we
can.
J
I
think
we
can
slide
each
one
of
those
levers
as
long
as
it
and
there's
you
know,
there's
got
to
be
some
sort
of.
You
know
calculation
to
to
think
that
to
think
that
through
but
and
come
up
with
a
you
know,
a
meaningful,
a
meaningful
subsidy
or
incentive.
B
You
know
I
I
agree
with
you,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
I
don't
necessarily.
I
don't
necessarily
think
the
discussion
has
to
be
of
adjusting
even
that
the
80
20
20.
That
model.
I
think
it's
more.
Is
there
another
layer
of
smaller
because
yeah,
I
think
I
think
it
does
seem
to
work
okay
for
the
larger
size
projects.
B
So
really
it's
kind
of
more
the
that,
as
you
said,
that
model
was
almost
designed
for
larger
projects,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
applies
to
smaller
projects
like
actually
you
know
in
the
reality,
I
don't
know
how
you
even
apply
that
to
an
adu.
That
means,
if
I
have
a
house-
and
I
put
an
adu
in
the
back-
and
I
want
to
you-
know,
get
some
credit
for
it.
It
means
I'm
having
to
de-restrict
my
entire
property.
B
So
in
some
ways
the
model
doesn't
even
like
it
doesn't
make
sense,
because
it
does
there's
no
way
to
do
that.
You
know
so
see,
I
think
yeah.
The
discussion
really
is
for
not
as
much
adjusting
I
mean.
There's
there
is
that
discussion
is
this
work,
but
it
seems
like
we've
hashed,
that
out
over
the
years
and
it's
kind
of
settled
it
a
model
that
seems
to
be
working.
So
really
the
question
is
the
smaller
like.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
subsidy
that
should
be
for
smaller
size
projects
or
for
especially.
B
B
Thing
was
there,
was
you
know
there
used
to
be
a
re?
There
used
to
be
a
fee
rebate
program
that
was
much
more
approachable
that
was
based
on
first
term.
You
know
it
was
based
at
that
one
that
was
just
based
on
first
turn
of
a
property,
whether
it
was
for
rent
or
whether
it
was
for
homeownership,
and
it
was-
and
it
wasn't
one
you
know-
we've
talked
about
this.
It
wasn't
one
that
cost
the
city
much.
It
was
really
just
the
city
putting
a
stamp
on
that's
certified.
B
B
The
best
model
chris.
H
I
know
we
touched
on
this.
The
other
day
is
it?
Is
there
data
available
for
those
where
it
was
used
and
and
the
first
turn
model
like
what's
the
average
of
of
first
term
time
frames?
Is
that
a
two
year
time
frame?
Was
it
five
or
ten?
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
as
the
the
first
turn
model
seems
simple
and,
like
you
said
it
didn't,
it
didn't
cost
a
lot.
What
didn't
take
a
lot
of
city
resources
to
to
do
that?
So
I
didn't
know
how
much?
H
How
much
did
we
get
out
of
it?
Community-Wise
in
that
in
that
model.
B
B
Really
connected
with
paul,
but
I
think
we
can.
I
think
that
that
is
like.
We
literally
have
those.
We
have
those
lists
on
our
past
agendas
from
years
ago
when
it
existed
and
we
could
look
at
we
could
actually
like,
and
it
would
track
them
for
several
years.
So
we
can
go
back
to
you
know,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
do
simply
go
back
to
our
agenda
when
those
are
being
used.
B
Look
at
the
list
of
those
houses
and
then
look
at
you
know:
let's
do
a
little
bit
of
research
on
each
one
of
them.
It
wasn't
a
huge
amount,
but
it
was
you
know
it
was
used
a
lot
more.
I
mean
it
was
used
then
that
it
does.
The
program
doesn't
exist.
B
Now
I
mean
it
does,
but
it's
barely
used
so
and
to
really
yeah
research
and
do
a
little
bit
of
dive
into
those
you
know
like
I
can
think
of
when
I,
if
I
visualize
that
list
I
can
visualize
30
or
40
on
it,
and
then
you
know
over
a
couple
year
period
and
then
to
look
at
like
what's
happened
with
them
now,
where
are
you
now?
So
I
think
that
would
yeah.
That
would
be
valid,
so
I
can
dig
up
and
we
can
share
that.
B
It
was
this
was
based
on
so
this
was
based.
I
think
this
was
on
new.
I
think
it
was
on
new
construction
on
if
it
was
below
what
hudson
what
the
hud
standards
were
for
the
for
the
the
house.
Value
at
eighty
percent
of
ami
or
100
of
ami
was
different
amounts,
I
think,
but
so
there
was
based
on
the
hud
standards
when
something
was
constructed
or
for
rental.
B
Sorry,
I
think
even
for
I
I
don't
recall
if
it
was
for,
like
an
existing
house
like
if
you
had
a
house
and
you
sold
it.
No,
that
would
sorry
that
that
probably
wasn't
right,
it
probably
was
just
new
construction
yeah.
Well,
we
can
dig
up
like
that.
I
I
know
I
probably
still
have
application
forms
from
that
old
one
and
we
can
dig
them
up,
but
I
think
it
was
based
on
new
construction,
because
the
fee
rebates
would
have
been
construction
rebates
that
were
given
back
and
it
was
so.
F
B
They
could
and
they
were,
to
rent
the
duplex
out
to
80
ami,
and
it
was
based
on
that
hud
chart
of
maximum
rent
standards.
Then
that
would
that
new
construction
duplex
would
be
eligible
for
fee
rebates
of
the
perm.
It
was
the
permit
fees.
It
was
nothing
out
of
the
housing
trust
fund,
it
was,
it
was
permit
fees
from
development
services
and,
I
believe,
was
50
of
msd
and
water
yeah.
I
believe
that's
how
that
was.
B
F
B
Program
are
we
comfortable
with
for
less
than
20-year
deed
restrictions
and
then
specifically
yeah
for
eight?
You
know:
80
is
like
this
interesting
model
that
you
know
we
all
everyone
who
lives
in
the
city
has
the
ability
to
put
a
little
unit
on
the
back
of
their
property,
and
you
know
who
who.
D
B
Would
want
to
deed,
restrict
your
entire
property
for
whatever
you
know,
whatever
you
know
what
what
use
you
have
of.
You
know
a
second
structure
on
it,
so
so
yeah.
So
I'm
you
know.
I
definitely
you
know
from
you
know.
I
see
the
common
goal
in
our
discussion
has
definitely
been
increased,
the
supply
of
units,
so
you
know,
I
think
it's
yeah
some.
B
You
know
us
looking
at
designing
some.
You
know
policy
suggestions
that
would
do
that
for
smaller
developers,
smaller
landlords
and
look
at
something
that
you
know
incentivizes,
not
just
new
construction,
but
also
yeah,
almost
like
some
kind
of
rebate
program.
If
you
know,
if
I've,
if
I'm
an
existing
landlord
and
I'm
willing
to
rent
a
unit
out
and
or
put
it,
you
know,
take
a
voucher
there
should
be.
B
There
should
be
like
some
reward
for
doing
that,
and
I
guess
our
our
question
is:
what
is
the
is
matching?
What
we
see
is
like
designing
policy
is
what
is
enough
that
rewards
and
then
yet
some
discussion
with
individual
landlords
like
well.
What
do
you
see
is
the
incentive?
What
would
it
take
for
you
to
do
it?
B
Essentially?
The
thrive
program
is
is
doing
is
trying
to
bridge
that
in
a
way
I
mean
that's,
they
are
trying
to
encourage
that
they've
done
success,
they've
been
successful
and
I
think
they're.
I
think
she
shared
that
they're
they're
about
the
end
of
the
you
know
their
she
shared
at
our
last
meeting.
I
think
it
was
25,
I
think
their
pilot
was
you
know,
their
original
funding
was
for
25
units
and
they
said
they're
about
it's
their
they've
about
hit
it.
B
So
that
means
that
you
know,
even
if
it's
just
25,
that
you
know
they've
been
successful
with
that
program
to
get
25
new
landlords
to
accept
voucher
housing.
So
that's
definitely
something
to
be
rewarded,
and
currently
I
don't
think
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
incentive
that
exists
other
than
what
fry
was
able
to
support,
you
know
provide,
and
it
seems
like
that's
something
we
have.
You
know
the
city
has
the
ability
to
participate
in
with
healthy
trust,
fund
bond
fee
rebates,
whatever
it
is,
so
you
know.
F
B
Question
and
this
one
I
see
paul
has
joined
us,
and
this
is
you
know
I
had
something
on
this.
You
know
a
big
part
of
this
discussion.
I
had
a
question
for
paul
on
is
okay,
so
there's
this
20
80
20.?
B
What
happens
if
you
break
it
like?
Is
it
a
scaled
penalty
like
what
is
the
penalty
for
it
so
because,
maybe
maybe
it's
kind
of
like
because
I've?
Never,
I
don't
know
if
I've
fully
understood
what
is
the
penalty.
So,
if
I've,
if
I
say
I'm
going
to
sell
a
house
and
then
it
sells,
what
is
the
penalty?
What
has
to
be
repaid?
Is
there
any
specifics
that
get
into
what
that,
how
that's
quantified
and
who
enforces
that.
L
Yes,
so,
and
I
popped
on
hey
everybody
good
morning-
apologies
for
a
conflict
this
morning
and
grateful
for
your
time
and
patience
with
me
today.
I
was
able
to
listen
in
starting
at
around
10
15,
and
you
know
somebody
had
talked
about
paperwork,
which
is
a
great
question
as
well
as
what
you're
adding
barry.
L
So,
regarding
penalties,
it
is
written
in
the
agreements
and
the
deed
restrictions
that,
if
you
do
not
follow
along,
I
forget
if
it's
payback,
but
I
believe
so
that
if
you
don't
do
the
20
80
20,
we
have
repercussions
written
in
and
it's
in
the
policy
as
well
as
the
deed
restriction
that
you
know.
Obviously,
the
tax
abatement
ceases
to
exist,
but
I
do
think
there
is
something
about
payback,
so
that's
written
in
and
the
deed
restriction
as
well
and
regarding
the
paperwork,
just
you
know,
with
the
loophole
I
think
was
being
talked
about.
L
We
do
monitor
these
once
a
year,
so
that
is
part
of
our
process
to
go
out
and
monitor
the
special
agreements
with
land,
houston
center
grant
and
trust
fund
to
monitor
those
once
a
year.
I
think
we're
a
bit
behind
with
covid
and
doing
what's
more
called
desk
monitoring
than
getting
out
on
the
site,
but
we've
got
those
processes
and
procedures
down
pretty
clear.
Regarding
smaller
luigi's,
I
must
say
with
you
know,
with
the
new
luigi
for
converting
market
rate
to
affordable.
L
I
got
four
calls
from
local
landlords,
I
think
of
anywhere
from
2
to
8
to
12
properties
they
owned,
and
they
all
felt
just
I
don't
want
to
generalize,
but
in
general
they
felt
the
income
verification
aspect
that
we
needed
was
to
burden
some.
I
think
y'all
heard
me
say
before
if
we
can
align
housing
costs
with
overall
income,
that's
something
great
that
we
can
do
at
that
30
percent,
but
we
do
need
to
verify
the
income
of
the
people
living
there
and
right
now.
B
Wonderfully
interesting
to
do
like
a
quick
little
like
I
just
like
the
like,
you
said
like
if
the
tax,
what
depend
like
what
it
looks
like
on
a
spreadsheet,
a
penalty
like
so
if,
if
I've
got,
if
someone's
got
a
property
and
and
you
know,
they're
getting
tax
abatement
based
on
the
20
restrictions
and
then
if
they
stop,
what
is
that
payback
model,
like
obviously
yeah
the
tax
abatement
would
stop?
But
what
does
the
penalty
model
look
like
to
because
maybe
they're?
Essentially
maybe
there
is.
This
program
is
scaled
already,
but
it'd
be.
B
L
I
can
bring
back
the
exact
wording,
barry
and
then
in
listening.
Chris
has
his
hand
up,
but
in
listening
to
some
of
the
conversations
you
know,
if
we
do
a
land
use
incentive
grant
for
under
10
units
or
under
20
units,
I'm
assuming
we
would
want
to
make
all
of
those
affordable,
because
it's
a
small
amount,
I
don't
know
and
then
do
we
do
points
for
5,
10,
15
or
20
years
is
where
my
brain
goes.
L
Otherwise,
if
we
do
the
20
thing
kind
of
as
andy
talked
about
with
the
20
20,
then
if
they
have
10
units,
they
could
give
us
two
of
them
affordable
and
then
we're
rebating
property
taxes
on
all
ten.
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
and
then,
if
we
are
asking
them
for
all
of
them,
is
that
more
points
and
then
made
up
with
less
years?
I
don't
know,
but
those
are
the
things
we
can
figure
out
when
we
get
a
chance
to
draft
a
rough
draft
of
a
policy.
B
H
Yeah
my
question
paul.
You
made
reference
that
you've
had
maybe
four
folks
reach
out
to
you
about
that,
and
I
was
curious
as
to
how
they
knew
about
it.
Is
that
how's
the
message
getting
out
that
I
know
that
with
new
developers
and
new
projects?
Very
often
I'm,
you
know
they're
coming
into
the
city,
they're
learning
the
process
and
it's
a
great
way
to
introduce
the
incentives,
but
for
existing
existing
properties.
How
is
that
message
being
conveyed
out
there
to
to
folks.
L
Well,
because
chris
we're
so
transparent
and
sending
our
message
out
all
the
time
that
everyone's
talking
about
it,
but
no,
but
we
are
doing
a
better
job
of
sending
out
our
community
development
updates.
We've
been
doing
that
for
practically
a
year
now,
so
that
has
been
really
helpful.
But
the
the
four
folks
that
reached
out
to
me
were
local
infill
developers,
who,
I
think,
pay
attention
to
the
committees
and
the
council
meetings
and
those
it
was
right
after
that
council
meeting
in
june,
without
luigi
approval
that
they
reached
out
so
local
folks.
L
Unfortunately,
we
have
not
heard
any
from
any
large-scale
developers
on
a
side
note
about
you
know
maintaining
or
changing
market
to
affordable,
like
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing.
We
haven't
heard
from
anybody
on
that,
yet
I'm
hoping
we
get
some
bite,
but
nothing.
Yet.
L
B
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
I
mean
there's
in
the
the
messaging
is
out
there
that
you
know
it's.
Obviously
the
message
things
out
there
that
we
need
affordable
housing.
The
messaging
is
out
there
that
we
need
everyone
to.
You
know
think
of
how
they
can
participate.
So
I
think
yeah
there
are
there
actually
are.
B
You
know
good
landlords
and
good
developers
out
in
the
world
who
who
are
asking
like
okay,
I
don't
know
what
the
program
is
but
paul
help
me
tell
me:
what
can
I
do
you
know,
so
I
think
there
you
know,
there's
enough
messaging,
there's
enough,
please
of
help
out
there
that
I
think
there
are
people
who
do
want
to
help.
So
it's
yeah.
It's
I
think
it's
like
you
know
those
might
be.
Those
might
be
the
good
people
to
speak
with
to
say.
Well
what
would
be?
What
would
turn
you?
B
I
Yeah
hi
and
I
put
a
question
in
the
chat
which
is:
are
there
incentives
for
individual
homeowners
to
build
adus
specifically
to
allocate
to
affordable
housing?
I
And
I
can
I
can
take
that
that
input
offline,
but
as
we're
trying
to
be
at
creative
about
increasing
supply
and
increasing
inventory,
we're
doing
outreach
to
a
certain
level
or
to
at
a
certain
scale,
but
again
to
the
untapped
market.
You
know,
folks,
like
myself
frankly,
who
would
be
interested
in
participating
in
such
a
program?
You
know
how
do
we
let
those
people
know
about
the
opportunities
that
exist
if
they
do
exist?
I
B
I
don't
paul
quickly,
I
don't
know
I
mean
we've
talked
about
the
ad,
you
know
how
to
support
adus,
especially
for
for
that
you
know,
overall,
as
for
for
adding
to
the
rental
stock,
specifically
for
affordable
housing,
I
don't
think
there
is
any
program
that
would
work
for
it.
Right
now
is,
do
you
know?
Is
there
something
paul.
L
G
B
Bob's
over
the
years
we've
talked
about
a
few
things
like
we've
talked
about.
Like
I
mean,
there's
definitely
talk
about
tiny
houses,
because
that's
a
that's
a
quicker.
You
know
quicker
ad
use
that
you
know
they're
currently
not
allowed.
Really
in
the
city
I
mean
they're,
not
I
mean
any
and
building
code
doesn't
really
allow
something.
B
That's
not
on
a
foundation,
but
we've
talked
about
like
basically,
a
tiny
house
on
a
foundation
is,
is
essentially
an
adu,
but
it
has
to
be
you
know
currently
on
a
foundation,
but
there's
and
we've
we've
discussed
different
ways
to
encourage
adu.
So
you
know
overall,
through
I
mean
zoning.
You
know
this
is.
This
is
one
of
those
examples
that
zoning
a
lot
like
we
have.
We
have
very
progressive
zoning
for
allowing
adus
any
single
property
in
the
city.
You
know
in
asheville
zone,
so
any
zoning
is
allowed.
B
Sorry,
probably
just
I
should
say,
residential
zoning
is
allowed
to
have
an
adu
in
their
backyard
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
our
you
know
a
single
family,
zoning
or
multi-family
zoning
you're
allowed
to
have
an
adu
and
then
there's
an
exception
that
the
adu
is
allowed
to.
You
know
extend
into
back
setbacks,
so
there's
you
know.
So
we
have
zoning
that
incentivizes
that
and
it's
the
same
way
we
have
zoning
that
you
know
with
their
zoning
changes
that
change.
B
You
know
multiple
families
zonings
that
you
know
something.
That's
rm8,
which
used
to
be
historically
eight
per
acre,
is
really
almost
like
40
per
acre.
But
the
issue
is
that
we
don't
the
other.
We
don't
have
the
infrastructure
to
catch
up
to
it.
There's
other
other
things
that
just
don't
make
that
stuff,
not
practical,
but
yeah.
B
Adus
are
definitely
you
know
one
of
those
low-hanging
fruits,
possibly
that
how
do
we
incentivize
those,
because
the
current
model
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
paul,
but
the
current
model
like
if
someone
were
to
say:
hey,
I'm
gonna
even
want
a
fee
rebate
on
this.
They
would
have
to
have
a
need
restriction
which
technically
the
adu
is
tied
to
the
main
house
deed,
so
it
would
restrict
their
main
house.
Is
that
am
I
correct
on
that
or
something
I'm
missing
on
that.
L
You
are
correct,
barry
because
that,
usually
and
isn't
that
something
else
about
building
an
adu
that
the
banks
want
it
on
its
own
parcel,
which
makes
more
sense
for
the
loan
or
whatever
it
is
so
yeah.
It
seems
complicated.
I
think,
there's
a
win
somewhere
for
adus,
but
we
haven't
been
able
to
figure
that
out
as
much
in
our
overall
scope
of
solutions
here
because
of
the
challenges
margie
brought
up
that
separate
lot
and,
like
you
said,
barry
it's
tied
to
the
main
house,
etc.
B
Another
historical
thing
babs
for
and
other
people
haven't
been
on
the
committee
things
we've
discussed
over
the
years
that
we've
tried
to
get
some
traction
on
that
we
weren't
really
able
to
where
the
idea
of
like.
If
you
example,
if
you
have
a
duplex
to
trade
being
allowed
short-term
rental
on
one
side
and
doing
trading
affordable
for
short-term
rentals,
saying,
hey
I'll,
do
I'll
do
short-term
rental.
B
If
you
allow
me
to
do
I'll,
do
it
affordable
on
one
if
you'll
allow
me
to
do
short
term
on
the
other
and
that
and
mixing
that
in
projects-
and
there
wasn't
an
appetite
for
that
in
the
past,
but
we
thought
that
that
was
something
the
city
like
the
city
had
as
a
carrot
that
wouldn't
cost
the
city.
It
wouldn't
be
a
funding
thing,
it
would
basically
say
we'll.
Allow
you
something
that's
not
allowed.
B
If
you'll
do
this,
but
it
was
it,
we
were
able
to
get
traction
on
on
that
over
the
years
and
right
now
short
term.
Also
from
rental
is
a
big
whole
new
honking
discussion,
because
it's
in
state
legislation
to
remove
city
authority.
You
know
municipal
authorities
to
even
limit
that
so
we'll
see
where
you
know
see
where
all
that
goes,
so
that
should
be
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
year.
B
There
should
be
some
heated
discussions
on
that,
but
yeah
currently,
so
what
we're
saying
is
like,
on
the
on
some
of
the
easiest
things,
an
adu,
a
duplex,
a
quadplex
existing
rental,
there's,
not
many
incentives
to
there's,
not
many
programs
that
even
exist
to
allow
them
to
do
that.
So
what
you
know,
what
are
some
innovative
programs
we
can
come
up
with
and
maybe-
and
it
sounds
like
you
know
our
the
common
thread
in
our
discussion-
it
seems
to
be
has
been.
You
know
we
want
stuff
to
increase
housing
stock.
B
You
know
that
the
more
stock
there
is,
the
more
you
know
the
more
the
better
it
is
for
everybody.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
should
look
at
that.
I
think
we'll
you
know.
I
think
what
I'll
do
for
the
next
meeting
is
I'm
gonna.
You
know
if
I
follow
especially
the
adu
world
around
the
country.
You
know,
maybe
you
world
around
the
country.
It
sounds
funny,
but
the
it's
like
I
mean
california,
has
kind
of
just
opened
it
up.
B
As
far
as
it'll
go
and
say
you
know,
they've
changed
the
state,
the
state
rules
saying
the
municipalities
can't
not
allow
them
so,
and
it's
opened
up
a
you
know
a
whole
big
adu
boom
out
there,
and
so
I'm
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
research
and
I'll
bring
that
in
maybe
for
next
meeting.
As
for
what
I've
at
least
seen
for
the
edus
have
helped,
you
know,
create
affordable
stock
and
what
are
incentives?
Other
states
have
come
up
with
so
I'll
share
that
you
know
what
the
one
thing
that's
happened.
B
Statewide
here,
at
least
is.
I
think
it
was
just
this
session
that
in
the
past
in
adu
was
not.
There
was
always
an
exception
needed
for
an
adu
to
even
be
on
a
single
family
lot
for
tying
into
its
sewer
lines.
So
that
was
now
as
the
state
made,
you
know,
passed
a
law
that
said
there.
B
It's
allowed
to
connect
to
that
now
for
sure,
so
yeah
so
I'll
bring
a
little
bit
more
data,
but
I
think
you
know
it
sounds
like
there's
some
outreach
that
we
may
need
to
all
do
about
like
to
you
know
landlords.
Even
you
know
small
landlords,
mid-size
landlords.
What
is
it,
what
is
it
going
to
take
to
for
you
to
take
a
voucher?
You
know
to
try
taking
a
voucher
or
to
limit.
B
You
know
limit
your
rental
monthly
amount
and
and
what
would
be
that
incentive
for
that,
and
then
I
think
maybe
we
regroup
on
this
discussion.
But
I
love
you.
L
B
B
Sorry,
my
throat,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
actually
gonna
turn
it
over
to
paul
for
community
development
updates
and
we'll
come
back
to
this.
You
know
next
meeting
and
I'll
bring
a
little
bit
of
historical
stuff
in
and
then
also
work
with
paul
and
our
historical
stuff
about
the
few
rebates
in
the
past
to
study
where
those
properties
are
now,
you
know,
what's
what's
still
affordable.
What's
not.
L
Sure,
and
so
couple
quick
things
you
know
we're
really
looking
for
with
all
these
affordable
housing,
not
all
these.
What
is
it
for
so
luigi
is
where
we're
going
to
be
accepting
vouchers.
L
I'm
excited
when
those
actually
go
online,
because
you
know
that's
written
in
that
they
have
to
accept
vouchers
and
I'm
excited
to
see
some
vouchers
move
into
some
of
these
again
larger
developments-
and
you
know,
staff
is
committed
to
trying
to
work
on
a
smaller
policy
a
little
bit
as
always
full
capacity,
but
we'll
bring
something
to
you
there
and
then,
and
then
just
you
know
more
info
on
that
soon.
L
Community
development
updates,
I
think
the
the
the
biggest
thing
is
just
that
you
know
the
cdbg
training
community
development
block,
grant
funding
which
again,
isn't
necessarily
something
we
bring
to
this
committee.
However,
we
did
do
outreach.
You
know
we
always
try
to
talk
about
funding
that's
available,
so
we
did
outreach
our
second
year
in
a
row
we
had
64
individual
agency
attendants
from
whether
it
was
people
who
were
awarded
this
year,
where
we
made
that
mandatory
or
if
you
were
planning
on
applying
the
22-23
cycle.
L
We
made
it
mandatory,
but
it
was
great
to
see
outreach
and
particularly
engagement
from
60
to
63
individuals,
so
that
went
really
well.
I
think
that
was
last
week
or
the
week
before
we
did
that
and
other
than
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
again
thank
you
for
your
patience
with
me.
I
swear
the
rest
of
the
cd
team.
Isn't
scared
of
you
all,
but
you
know
I
to
not
show
up
on
on
my
behalf,
but
I
appreciate
you
all
working
with
me
today.
B
L
So,
with
319
biltmore,
we,
as
you
all
know,
holmes
urban
was
chosen
as
the
developer.
There's
been
some
conversation
among
council
members
about
if
that,
if
that
choice
aligns
with
current
goals
and
everything
we
we
are
sensing
that
we'll
be
moving
forward
soon
with
the
meeting
with
holmes
urban,
but
we've
been
asked
to
hold
that
meeting
off
for
just
a
little
bit
longer.
So
I
think
by
hcd
meeting,
which
is
october
19th.
We
should
know
for
sure
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
homes.
L
If
we
are
going
in
another
direction,
it
it
seems
positive
at
the
moment,
but
as
city
council
on
city
management,
discussion.
G
Paul,
I
have
a
question
for
you
on
that
and
it's
it's
let's
say
it
all
moves
forward.
How
long
is
it
going
to
take?
Do
you
think
estimate
to
get
that
contract
done
and
to
actually
get
started
on
on
something
because
you
you
got
cut
off,
unfortunately,
kind
of
in
the
midst
or
the
beginning
of
the
contract
negotiations.
G
L
L
So
well,
you
know,
first
and
foremost,
home
serving
has
just
been.
You
know
a
class
act
as
they
wait
for
these
important
discussions
to
continue
to
continue
to
happen
at
70,
court,
plaza
and
and
they've
just
been
great
from
the
get-go
they're
ready
to
go
once
we're
ready
to
go.
I
think
we're
looking
at
a
three
to
four
month
period
for
develop
to
develop
the
developer
agreement,
which
is
really
where
we
talk
about
the
negotiations
of
of
oh.
What
are
you
offering
great?
L
Can
you
offer
this,
or
that
sounds
great
or
absolutely
not,
and
all
those
good
discussions,
so
I
would
think
with
a
little
luck.
If
we
could
get
started
say
november
1st,
we
could
have
a
developer
agreement
december
january
by
march
1st,
and
then
you
know,
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
they
could
somehow
move
to
some
construction
by
late
summer
or
or
fall,
I
again
home
serving
credit
to
them.
L
They
have
consistently
maintained
that
they're
looking
forward
to
getting
into
the
community,
first
and
foremost,
to
hear
what
the
community
is
looking
for
in
the
development
of
319
biltmore,
and
I
think
they
want
to
start
with
the
residents
of
lee
walker
heights.
I'm
sorry
maple
cross.
L
Yep,
I
think
that's
one
of
their
first
community
groups.
They
want
to
meet
with
they've
got
the
hospital
other
neighborhood
neighbors,
but
they
definitely
want
to
their
first
thing.
Is
we
want
to
get
into
the
community
and
that's
step
one
for
them
and
I
think
that's
going
to
take
a
good.
They
want
to
spend
their
time
there
to
hear
from
community
members,
which
I
think
is
great.
G
L
I
I
would
think
you're,
probably
right
on
it.
You
know
be
great
if
we
could
do
a
little
late
fall,
but
I
hear
you
marching
absolutely.
B
Sounds
like
there
might
be
some
fresh
discussion
on
this
at
next
hcd
yeah.
B
L
So
right,
right
now
trying
to
figure
out
a
path
forward
for
a
partner
agreement
with
hakka
on
the
redevelopment
of
the
deeper
video
in
cedar
hill
site.
Those
conversations
are
happening
between
city
management
and
executive
management
at
haka.
Hopefully,
we'll
hear
something
more
soon,
as
those
kind
of
conversations
continue.
L
L
Is
trying
to
the
developers
there,
as
you
can
imagine,
came
at
a
crossroads
with
costs
at
the
from
pineview
for
the
12
home
ownership
units.
Aaron
palmer
and
his
group
have
been
in
constant
communication
with
us
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
pivot
to
another
parcel.
We
were
hoping
they
could
get
back
into
hcd
this
month,
but
they
will
most
likely
come
to
hcd
in
november
barry
whether
that
means
they
show
up
at
a
hack.
L
I
think
you're
gonna
drive
that
ship
there
about
how
that
works,
but
I
think
that
they're
ready
to
come
back
with
a
plan
very
similar
to
what
they
did
at
pineview
but
but
pivot
to
a
different
site.
L
I
gotta
say,
as
I
probably
said
at
other
meetings,
this
home
ownership
for
moderate
income
folks
is
completely
challenging
and
even
us
coming
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
door,
isn't
making
it
easy
for
a
smaller
infield
developer
at
the
moment,
but
with
a
little
luck
very
similar
deal
coming
in
november,
margie
okay,
another
for
what
it's
worth
another
good
group
still
at
the
table.
F
B
I
did
not
check
with
anna
ahead,
but
the
single
you
know
you
know.
If
there's
those
lots
have
been
closed
on
yet
the
single
family
lots
that
when
the
city
unlocks
that.
F
L
I
don't
think
that
I'm
not
sure
I
know
I'm
not
sure
where
it's
at
all
good.
I
don't
know
if
those
lots
have
closed
on
a
little
bit
of
a
blip
and
a
delay
there,
but
I
think
timing
wise
we're
trying
to
make
sure
with
the
abclt
and
their
hud
funding
that
they're
getting
from
us
the
home
funding
from
the
consortium
but
soon
barry.
I
believe,
okay,
sorry
about
that
nikki
I'll,
get
make
sure.
Nikki
puts
an
update
in
there.
G
What
about
the
talbot
lot,
I
mean:
that's,
that's
very
exciting.
Where
are
you
on
that.
L
That's
a
little
bit
in
the
wheelhouse
of
transportation.
At
the
moment,
I
think,
as
they're
trying
to
put
together
grant
funding
for
what
they
want
to
do
with
a
transportation
hub
there.
So
all
of
that
land
is
closed
and
all
of
that
I
think
right
now,
it's
in
their
wheelhouse,
as
they
figure
out
the
funding
that
they
need
from.
I
guess
the
united
states
department
of
transportation
and
the
grant
funding
they
need
for
the
multimodal
site
there.
L
Developers
reach
out
about
that
site
every
once
while
and
I
have
one
who
reached
out
again
recently,
you
know
that
site
is
still
is
still
viable,
maybe
not
necessarily
from
multi-family.
I
think.
As
you
all
know,
there
was
a
big
discrepancy
on
what
it
would
take
to
make
that
site
pad
ready,
an
estimate
of
500
000
and
an
estimate
of
2
million,
and
so
that
was
what
caused
it
to
kind
of
be
shelved.
But
people
still
look
at
that.
L
If
I
understand
correctly,
I
still
thought
it
was
because
you
know
obviously
80
units
of
multi-family
versus
you
know
a
unit
20
unit,
homeownership
community.
I
think
smaller
houses
can
work
there
without
all
of
that
that
site
work.
I
think
it's
the
fill
issue
for
a
multi-family,
which
I
don't
think
chris
or
smarter
people
than
me
would
know
it's
not
wouldn't
be
nearly
as
difficult
if
it
was
single-family
homes.
B
I
don't
know
I'm
just
on
single-family
homes.
I've
had
to
dig
a
lot
of
16
foot
tall
foundations
because
stuff
in
the
ground
yeah
it's
it's.
Unfortunately,
there's
no
like
radar,
you
can
just
put
it
up
on
the
ground
and
run
over
to
tell
you
how
how
good
the
quality
of
the
fill
is.
You
have
to
dig
it
up
to
determine
that.
L
B
Are
there
any
other
parcels
like
that?
I
mean
whatever
I
mean,
because
that's
a
good.
It's
a
good!
That's
a
really
good
point
that
you
brought
up
that
this.
The
zo
kills
on
there,
but
it's
like
basically
to
almost
put
it
out
there
like.
We
have.
The
city
actually
has
a
few
parcels
that
aren't
we
aren't
that
aren't
like
on
any
kind
of
actual
rfp,
but
that
they're
they
are
essentially
there's
an
open,
they're
open
for
discussion,
whatever.
L
Well,
all
of
the
information
is
online,
but
that
seems
to
be
the
the
main
one
and
I
I
don't
know
this
for
a
fact,
but
I
don't
you
know
a
lot
of
the
our
land.
Banking
has
been
reserved
until
they
come
up
with
a
reparations
policy
yep.
I
don't
think
that
this
parcel
is
in
that,
but
I'm
not
100
positive.
I
feel
like
the
last
time
I
talked
to
nikki
and
she's
out
of
town
this
week,
but
that
there
was
still
an
opportunity
there.
L
If
somebody
had
an
affordable
housing
deal
for
that
lot,
I
can
verify
that,
but
that's
really
the
main
one
that
I
think
that
could
possibly
be
in
pay
and
and
it
about
every
four
months
barry
somebody
reaches
out
to
me
about
it.
I
share
materials
and
then
sometimes
I
don't
hear
back.
B
Yeah
that
you
know
that
was
that
was
an
interesting
one
that
actually
came
up.
You
know
in
our
build
committee
meeting
with
kevin
from
msd
that
that
was
actual
one
that
was
planned
for
affordable
housing.
Msd
did
participate
for
extending
a
sewer
line
because
it
was
planned
for
an
affordable
housing
project
and
they,
I
think
I
don't
know
if
I
remember
the
line
was
put
in
or
they
acquired
the
easement
to
do
it,
but
but
yeah
that
was.
B
That
was
one
that
a
process
had
started,
and
then
you
know
the
developer
at
that
time
said
it
was
not
possible
because
of
the
the.
F
B
Group
at
the
time,
so
it's
not
possible
because
of
the
amount
of
fill.
Essentially
it
was
a
dump.
You
know
which
half
of
west
asheville
was.
B
All
right-
and
I
guess
my
famous
monthly
question
on
down
payment
assistance.
L
Yes,
so
I
was
waiting
for
that
one.
I
just
think
there's
no
way,
they're
letting
me
off
the
hook
for
that.
So.
F
L
Has
been
a
conversation
with
the
potential
purchase
of
a
parcel?
That's
come
to
the
city's
attention.
L
We
are
in
some
very
initial,
take
a
look
due
diligence
phase
where
we're
looking
at
possibly
a
land
purchase
that
in
coordination
with
down
payment
assistance
dollars
between
purchasing
and
making
the
site
pad
ready
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
use
the
land
banking
dollars
and
down
payment
assistance
dollars
in
combination
to
purchase
and
make
this
site
pad
ready
for
a
approximately
40,
affordable
homes
or
some
type
of
affordability,
or
perhaps
up
to
100
percent
ami
and
and
reinstitute
the
dollar
lot
program
and
rfp.
L
These
lots,
or
maybe
not
reinstitute-
that
per
andy
shaking
his
head,
but
to
look
at
an
opportunity
to
partner
with
local,
affordable
and
infill
developers
in
some
form
or
fashion,
where
the
lots
are
sold
to
that
developer
for
a
dollar
to
build
and
sell
a
home
at
an
affordable
price
by
nature,
taking
50,
maybe
60,
000
off
the
price
by
delivering
a
pad
ready
site
with
infrastructure
water
sewer
we
have
been
asked
to
investigate
that
so
putting
out
dpa
has
been
it's
been
about.
L
Four
to
six
weeks
is
to
see
if
this
is
an
option
before
any
of
that
we
would
go
back
out
and
talk
about
this.
If
we're
able
to
get
the
parcel
under
contract
and
move
forward,
we
would
go
back
to
committee
in
the
community,
but
right
now
it's
an
interesting
parcel.
L
That's
been
presented
and
I
think,
from
a
staff
perspective,
barry
worth
looking
into
to
assist
40
homeowners
and
in
a
historically
you
know,
gentrifying
neighborhood,
you
know
that's
been
happening,
so
we're
taking
a
look
at
that
and
and
asking
for
a
bit
of
grace
there.
While
we
try
to
investigate
that.
B
Cool
I'll
be
curious
how
your
in
your
due
diligence
of
that,
because
I
mean
who
are
you
engaging
to
help
with
that?
My
my
history
of
this
comes
from
the
okay
like
something
about
the
oak
hill
parcel
knowing
when
it
was
acquired,
it
was
kind
of
warned
like
watch
this,
don't
do
this
and
it
happened
and
like
so
I'm
curious
like
I,
I
love
what
you're
saying,
but
who
are
you
engaging
to
make
sure
that
it's
a
feasible
project.
L
So
the
typical
due
diligence
right
now
barry
we're
just
getting
it
and
with
folks
we
have
under
contract
in
general,
but
a
phase,
an
appraisal
and
a
phase
one,
and
then
I
think,
when
nikki
gets
back,
we'll
be
bringing
in
an
engineer
to
take
a
look
at
the
actual
site.
With
some
questions
there
I
hear
you
on
oak
hill.
We
did
get
and
always
learning
you
know.
L
Oak
hill
was
presented
where
we
we
were
like
well
between
the
price
and
what
the
environmental
looks
like
it's
about
a
million
dollars
and
then
doing
the
math.
It's
still
a
great.
You
know,
subsidy
per
unit
that
works
on
the
numbers.
It
was
only
later
that
a
private
person
said
there
was
no
way
it
was
less
than
two
million
dollars
and
then
the
engineers
just
argued
back
and
forth
about
that.
It's
still,
in
my
opinion,
unknown,
but
for
what
it's
worth,
we
always
do
try
to
learn
we're
doing.
L
What's
called
a
project
charter
on
this,
to
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
any
upfront
questions
first
and
foremost,
I'm
working
on
that
now,
first
thing
being:
is
this
what
the
community
would
want?
It
would
be
a
typical
thing:
have
we
looked
at
the
phase
one?
You
know
what
does
that
come
in
at
engineering
etc?
So
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we
address
a
lot
of
stuff
up
front.
L
It
is
interesting
use
of
down
payment
assistance,
there's
nothing
in
the
bond
that
says
it
has
to
be
a
traditional
down
payment
assistance
program
from
what
we're
understanding
that
a
loan
out
or,
as
you
know,
a
grant
out
and
all
of
that,
so
we
feel
like
it
could
be
feasible
pathway
forward.
But
until
we
get
through
diligence,
that's
all
we
know
and
we
will
bring
these
conversations
back
to
a
hack
and
hcd
I'd.
Imagine
yeah.
B
That's
kind
of
well
that's
kind
of
where
I
was
going
to
go
like
again.
This
is
a
really
interesting
policy
shift
that
I'm
sorry
I
mean
I'm
I'm
glad
you're
sharing
it's
something
that
yes
should
be.
I
feel
like
that
should
be
something
coming
to
our
committee
for
discussion
on
the
policy
before
it's
being
applied
to
a
particular
parcel.
You
know.
L
So
please
know
on
that
barry
that
that
there
has
not
been
there's
nothing
signed,
there's
no
agreement
to
purchase.
I
think
if
we
do
go
to
you
know
a
agreement
where
you
know:
we've
got
a
60
or
90
or
120
day
due
diligence
and
we're
like
okay.
This
looks
good,
I
think,
that's
immediately
when
we
come
to
communities-
and
this
is
what's
in
front
of
us-
you
know
how
does
everyone
feel
about
this
and
then
we
that's
where
we
start
collecting
feedback
from
committees,
stakeholders
and,
most
importantly,
the
community.
F
B
I
mean
that's
really
interesting
to
hear
yeah
so
I'll,
we'll
make
sure,
maybe
that
that
becomes
a.
You
know
that
discussion
on
that
policy,
because
that
is
a
that
is
a
really
interesting
policy
that
could
apply
to
even
things
like
oak
hill
or
other.
You
know
it
can
apply
to
other
things
and
or
even
individual
lots
like
if
there
was
a
rebate
that
can
be
used.
If
someone
has
a
lot
and
they
can
use
that
for
getting
down.
You
know
it's.
L
B
L
B
L
From
so
far
of
our
investigation,
we
believe
so
that
they're,
because
there's
nothing
specifically
written
in
and
by
nature
of
that
we'd
be
buying
each
house
down
by
that
lot,
pad
ready
lot
price
with
infrastructure.
If
that's
the
best
way
to
say
that
yeah.
B
F
D
L
J
You're
muted,
two
things
that
I
didn't
notice
in
this
report
that
I
was
curious
about
one
is:
how
is
how's
the
affordable
housing
uses
or
eligible
uses
in
the
in
the
american
recovery
plan
funding
being
evaluated?
I
know
the
cities
has
a
rfp
out
for
our
funds.
Now,
how
will
those
be
reviewed?
Does
ahac
need
to
play
a
role
in
in
elevating
the
affordable
housing
uses
for
arp
funds?
J
Second
question:
the
county,
affordable
housing
committee
has
been
in
their
in
their
recent
meetings,
been
working
on
long-range
goal
setting
and
also
sharing
a
lot
of
information
about
city
county
partnerships
around
the
state.
I'm
wondering
what
the
city
conversation
has
been
either
at
the
staff
level,
with
your
counterparts
in
the
county
around
that
goal-setting
exercise,
and
is
there
a
role
that
that
ahak
can
play
in
helping
to
forge
some
continuity
between
county
goal,
setting
and
city
goal
setting
around
affordable
housing.
L
So
first
question:
first
we'll
be
adding
in
the
arpa
information
to
the
next
community
development
update.
So
you'll
see
that
I
believe
that
whoever
anyone
signed
up
on
our
community
development
updates,
I
think
we
sent
out
that
last
week
all
the
information
about
the
arpa
funds
that
are
available
and
what
that
process
looks
like
we'll
be
adding
that
into
updates
in
the
next
week
or
two
for
hcd
and
so
you'll
see
those,
but
for
anyone
on
this
call
who's
not
signed
up
for
community
development.
L
Please
put
something
in
the
chat
and
we
can
add
you
to
that.
So
we
sent
that
information
out,
but
we
will
be
adding
it
to
updates
regarding
partnerships,
I
know
I'm
not
sure
what
conversations
are
happening
at
the
executive
level
on
each
side
of
the
aisle
with
the
county
and
the
city
and
coordination
with
arpa
funds
or
affordable
housing
and
right
now,
with
our
division
and
their
division.
I
don't
think
we
have
any
any
any
direct
communications
on
on
partnerships
that
I'm
aware
of.
L
I
know
that
we've
always
talked
with
partnerships
with
the
county
about
partnering
on
a
four
percent
tax
credit
deal
every
two
to
three
years
and
if
they
would
mirror
our
land
use
incentive
grant
policy,
I
know,
are
the
two
things
that
we've
been
pretty
consistent
on
talking
about
for
probably
three
years
but
everyone's
so
busy,
but
I
can
find
out
if
there's
any
conversations,
I'm
not
aware
of
with
the
county.
I
know.
G
L
L
I
think
there
is
an
effort
out
there
from
some
group
which
is
going
to
blank
right
now
about
trying
to
maybe
it's
land
of
sky,
but
I'm
not
sure,
but
just
talking
about
some
better
coordinated
efforts
around
a
lot
of
these
affordable
housing
issues.
None
that
none
that
are
are
on
the
table
at
the
moment
that
I'm
aware
of
andy.
G
One
of
the
things
I
this
is
me
personally
think
we
could
be
talking
to
them
about
would
be
the
deschutes
property
better
known
as
well.
I
call
it
ferry
road,
that's
137
acres.
Now
it's
not
the
greatest
site,
but
as
137
acres
that
they
are
going
to
be
putting
an
rfp
for
a
master
plan
development
out-
and
it
sounds
I
mean
I
would
think-
that
the
city
and
the
county
together
it
could
be
a
win-win
for
everybody
and
produce
a
lot
of
affordable
housing.
L
Sure
and
absolutely
so
I'll
write
that
down
and
add
that
to
my
check-in
with
nikki
about
that
parcel.
G
D
B
G
Funds
were
a
lower
priority
than
other
things
I
mean
it
had
just
taken
a
a
you
know
having
a
policy
it
had
taken
kind
of
a
tumble
from
being
really
prominent.
Last
year
to
not,
as
prominent
reparations,
took
its
place,
I
think
or
some
other
things
they
had
a
list
and
it
had
fallen
down
to
quite
a
few
spots.
B
L
L
Councilman
keith
a
couple
years
ago,
we
we're
just
not
seeing
nearly
as
many
home
ownership
partners
come
forward,
so
that
might
have
been
the
the
list
about
when
it
came
to
affordable
housing
for
arpa
and
a
list
of
where
the
priorities
are
and
they
and
to
barry's
point
they.
They
may
have
just
been
a
list,
not
numerical.
G
Okay
I'll
see,
if
I
can't
find
that
piece
of
paper
and
send
it
to
you.
B
Anything
you
want
to
share
or
any
questions
about,
not
just
on
the
specific
community
development
updates,
but
we
have
the
the
cbdg
reports
and
the
the
homeless
updates.
Any
questions
or
anything
paul
wants
to
share.
F
B
B
Yeah
yeah,
okay,.
B
And
then
we
are,
you
know
so
yeah,
I'm
I'm
asking
to
be
on.
You
know
for
for
our
discussion
to
be
on
the
next
hd
agenda
about
just
the
the
discussion
about
us
being
allowed
to
be.
You
know
just
to
give
input
on
the
housing,
trust
fund
and
luigi
applications.
Are
there.
F
L
So
I
know
that
we've
got
the
landings
incentive
grant
for
the
kassinger
group
at
the
old
fuddrucker
site,
but
that's
that's
on
council
on,
I
believe,
november.
9Th
next
month
we
might
be
seeing
aaron
palmer
come
back
for
a
housing
trust
fund
regarding
the
pineview
property
and
the
split
like
we
talked
about
the
the
pivot
and
then
I
believe
haywood
street
congregation
might
be
coming
in
for
a
housing
trust
fund
loan
in
november,
as
well
for
hcd
this
month.
L
No,
we
just
have
right
now
annual
updates
to
the
annual
action
plan,
some
loan
modifications
from
mho
and
a
hayward
street
update
about
what
they're
planning
hoping
to
do
with
with
with
funding.
I
think
those
are
the
three
things
on
the
agenda
right
now.
That's
kind
of
getting
solidified.
B
D
B
And
has
there
been,
I
mean,
I
guess,
we're
all
it's
all
still
unknown.
Has
there
been
any
discussion
on
city
and
for
when
things
are
going
live
or
you
are
like?
Is
it?
What
is
the
policy
in
like
europe
in
this,
in
the
city
offices
like
who's,
who,
how
many
people
are
back,
are
people
back
to
work,
not
not
at
the?
What
is
I'm
just
curious
like
where,
where.
L
It's
a
good
question.
I
I
I
don't
know.
Overall,
I
know
community
development
with
everything
going
on
and
and
hopefully
we've
we've
been
hanging
our
head
high
on
our
work,
we're
mostly
all
working.
Virtually
everybody
in
the
team
comes
works
from
home
four
days
a
week
and
in
office,
one
I'm
in
two
nikki's
in
three
and
but
I
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
people
in
the
building,
but
I
can
just
really
speak
for
community
and
economic
development,
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
I
know
numbers
are
going
down.
L
My
brain
is
thinking
out
loud
and
that
maybe
after
the
new
year,
if
the
numbers
keep
getting
right,
we
get
through
the
holiday
season
and
things
are
looking
good
that
maybe
a
little
bit
of
back
to
normal
by
march
1st,
or
something
like
that.
I
do
think
that
there
has
been
some
positive
comments
from
community
our
staff
about
a
blended,
hybrid
schedule
that
works
for
people
so
we'll
see.
But
right
now
I
think
I'm
only
one
of
four
people
on
the
floor
at
the
moment.
L
A
B
B
Let's
see,
I
think
we
do
have
is
there
any
before
we
go
to
public
comment,
any
kind
of
informal
discussions
or
anything
anyone
wants
to
see
on
some
on
future
agendas
and
we
identified
a
few
things.
Is
there
anything
anyone
wants
to
bring
to
the
table
that
we
could
bring
to
the
top
for
getting
on
future
agendas?.
B
F
B
Need
your
help
on
this
paul
or
christine
about.
We
had
a
public
comment
and
it
was
basically
someone
had
basically
wrote
in
asking
if
we
were
live.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
it
to
read
it
out
loud,
because
I
don't
know
if
we're
required
to
read
it
out
loud,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
printed
it,
but
it
was
basically,
it
was
there's
a
question.
Someone
asked
if
we
meet
live
and
I've
seen
it.
B
I
mean
they've
seen
responded
to
it
about
saying
that
we
you
know
with
that,
we
do
me
live
and
when
we
can,
when
that
our
meetings
are
broadcast
live.
So
it's
not
just
a
delayed
meeting.
You
know
if
anyone
has
that
can
help
me
out
on
that
to
read
it.
You
know
to
read
it
because
I
think
we're.
I
think,
we're
technically
supposed
to.
A
A
A
Yeah
we
do
have
the
ability
to
take
live
comments
and,
like
you
mentioned
before,
the
citizen
just
sent
an
email
to
public
input,
which
is
what
we're
hosting
these
live
meetings
on
and
they
just
requested
if
we
will
be
er.
This
is
particularly
what
it
says
the
public
ask
access
by
web
address.
Can
these
meetings
be
viewed
in
real
time?
A
I
did
take
the
liberty
to
reach
out
to
them
via
their
email
address
and
let
them
know
that
the
meetings
are
live.
They
can
see
that
on
public
input
and
youtube,
and
I
gave
them
the
link
to
our
public
input
that
we
host
these
live
meetings
on.
So
I
didn't
hear
I
didn't
get
any
response
back
from
them,
so
I
figure
that
they
are
all
sorted
out.
A
B
We
are,
and
we
are
able
to
take,
live
public
comments
now.
Is
there
any
comments,
any
any
people
in
our
queue.
B
All
right,
if
anyone
I
mean,
unless
anyone
has
anything
they'd
like
to
bring
or
say
we
can,
we
can
adjourn.
Is
there
anyone
out
there
wants
to
add
or
ask
anything.