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A
And
staff
are
participating
virtually
today,
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
noise
advisory
board
page
for
those
of
you
that
are
with
us
today.
Thank
you
and
welcome.
A
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
board
members
who
will
be
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute.
Your
microphones
if
you
are
not
speaking
and
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
please
unmute
your
microphone
board
members.
As
I
call
your
name.
Please
acknowledge
your
presence.
Charles
beck.
B
C
D
A
H
D
A
B
B
I'm
hopeful
that
the
staff
is
looking
into
fixing
that,
because
that
may
account
for
why
we're
getting
skewed
statistics
that
things
are
not
able
to
be
followed
up
on
because
they
don't
have
address
or
phone
number
and
what's
actually
happening,
because
we
went
through
it
three
times.
Personally
myself,
my
wife
is
that
when
you
go
in
and
put
your
address
in,
it
picks
up
your
phone
number.
It
doesn't
pick
up
your
address,
so
it
doesn't
know
where
the
source
of
the
complaint
is
coming
from.
B
It
knows
where
the
source
of
the
noise
is,
which
is
obvious,
but
they
should
fix
that,
because
we
want
to
get
as
accurate
as
statistic
as
possible.
A
B
A
F
So
I
I
would
just
like
to
address
that,
if
I
may
jessica,
just
as
a
response,
so
most
of
those
unknowns,
charlie,
are
from
apd
calls
and
they're
not
coming
through
our
job
forum,
just
to
clarify
that-
and
I
did
correspond
with
it
about
that.
I
would
recommend
clearing
your
history
on
that
browser
and
it's
what
they
advised
me.
I
tried
a
couple
of
trial
runs
on
myself
and
it
seemed
to
go
through
just
fine,
so
they
have
recommended.
F
Perhaps
clearing
your
your
history
to
see.
If
it
will,
it
will
reset
it,
but
I
I
have
put
in
a
work
order
with
I.t
to
actually
look
into
that.
We
do.
We
haven't
had
any
other
issues
with
it,
but
the
ones
that
were
referred
to
in
the
staff
report
are
actually
ones
that
have
come
to
us
from
apd
and
that's
kind
of
a
consistent
issue
of
not
having
contact
information.
C
Yeah
we've:
we've
trouble
shouted
a
lot
on
our
end
and
it's
an
issue
of
an
autofill
situation.
So
if
you,
if
you
use
autofill,
it
will
autofill
that
there
and
there's
no
way
for
us
to
fix
that
on
our
end,.
A
F
Sorry,
if
I'm
unmuted
sorry
I'll
be
happy
to
address
that,
and
unfortunately
that
is
not
that
that
is
not
a
a
final
number.
So
the
57
represents
the
complex
property
management
and
that
we
have
contact
with
that.
We
have
a
property
manager
that
we
work
with
and
daniel
went
back
and
did
he
does
quarterly
check
in
with
them?
F
They
do
have
tend
to
have
quite
a
and
turnover
of
staff,
so
we
had
decided
to
kind
of
check
in
with
them
and
you
know
fairly
frequently
make
sure
we've
got
the
right
person,
we
still
have
the
right
contact
information
and,
as
part
of
that
check-in,
he
did
ask
each
one
of
those
how
many
units
they
have
on
their
complex.
So
that
is
just
that
just
represents
what
we
we
have
and
we
are
are
working
with.
F
There
are
many
complexes
that
we've
never
had
contact
with
that
either
don't
have
noise
issues
that
are
are
coming
to
us
or
that
are
managing
them
themselves.
So
we
don't
have
any
contact
information
with
those
people
so
that
57
different
com
apartment
complexes
represents
the
people
we
have
had
contact
with.
We
have
have
relationships
with
and
that's
the
total
from
those
57.
F
Right
and
and
and
probably
more
yes
yeah,
I
mean
definitely
more
and
then
the
other
thing
was
just
that
we
had.
The
update
with
multifamily
was
just
that
new
poster
that
we
had
worked
with
and
we
had
got
approval
from
management
at
the
housing
authority
to
issue
those
and
we
we
and
we
updated
them
and
issued
them
to
all
the
housing
authority
properties
and
actually
went
just
last
month
to
meet
a
couple
of
new
managers
at
some
new
housing
authority
properties
and
we're
really
happy
to
see
them
hanging
in
the
lobby.
A
Any
other
questions
from
the
board
on
the
staff
report.
A
Our
thinking
was
to
you,
know,
try
and
inform
people
of
both
things
that
they
can
do
to
be
proactive
from
just
be
talking
to
their
neighbors
to
businesses,
thinking
about
how
they
set
up
their
amplification
and
where,
where
it's
facing,
and
how
to
get
staff
involved.
So
we
put
this
together
for
everybody
to
take
a
look
at
so
I'd
love
to
hear
some
feedback
from
some
of
the
board
members
into
how
you
think
this
best
represents
what
we're
trying
to
do.
B
Jessica,
this
charlie,
I
think,
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
that
I
noticed
you
in
here,
and
it
was
something
that
was
recommended
a
while
back
pointing
speakers
downward
or
into
the
venue,
as
opposed
to
broadcasting
or
channeling
them
up
a
street
like
sawyer
avenue
in
the
case
of
of
the
outdoor
venue
on
cots,
I
think,
is
helpful.
B
I
did
send
to
you
and
carmelo
some
information
on
so
on
sound
absorbing
sound
barriers
that
seem
to
have
worked
in
some
other
parts
of
the
united
states,
because
I
I
think,
unless
there
is
some
absorption
put
in
place,
that
is
effective
and
we
can
take
some
of
these
techniques
of
you
know,
downward
and
inward
sort
of
projection
of
sound.
B
That's
about
the
only
thing
that
I
know
is
going
to.
You
know
change
the
tonality.
I
know
it
was
outside
the
period
that
was
reported
on
here,
but
we
were
sent,
I
guess
by
city
staff,
the
the
june
8th
detail
and
those
ratcheted
up
between
3
p.m
and
9
p.m.
Over
the
mid
80s
and
some
spiked
into
the
hundreds,
you
know
that
that's
just
too
loud,
so
something's
got
to
be
done
in
order
to
to
tamp
that
down
a
bit.
A
Right
yeah,
exactly
and
that's
you
know,
we
were
trying
to
find
a
balance
of
you
know,
as
we
put
in
here
for
businesses
with
indoor
and
outdoor
music,
the
placing
barriers
between
your
venue
between
your
venue
and
your
neighbors,
coming
up
with
a
couple
of
like
a
number
of
different
options,
without
getting
too
detailed
right,
because
we're
trying
to
keep
this
something
that
was
concise.
A
That
then
you
know
we
wanted
to
have
an
opportunity
for
people
to
reach
out
to
us
if
they
wanted
to
explore
this
a
little
bit
further,
but
also
making
it
so
as
we're
inundated
with
information
being
like.
Okay,
here's
some
here's,
some
very
simple
things
that
you
can
do
and
it's
a
start
and
we
can
get
more
detailed
as
as
people
if
people
want
us
to
we're
trying
to
get
them
to
be.
This
is
essentially
about
being
proactive
to
a
certain
extent.
C
A
H
I
was
I
was
hoping
my
mic
could
be
heard.
Yeah
it's
rick,
I
think
that's
important.
The
bottom
line
is,
like
you,
said,
to
just
inform
people
and
to
have
specifics
and
to
have
it
kind
of
like
a
cl,
enclosed
system
of
information
where
it's
like
hey.
If
you
think
this
is
a
problem,
let's
refer
to
the
decibel
ordinance
and
everything
like
that.
H
So
it's
it's
100
the
case
that
that's
important,
but
from
what
I
understand
we,
the
project
of
these
tips,
were
kind
of
to
be
accessible
to
the
average
civilian
person
who's
not
familiar
with
the
how
decibels
work,
because
I
think,
as
we
we
talked
about
in
previous
meetings,
they
work
on
a
logarithmic
scale
and
it's
quite
difficult
without
people
having
a
chart
in
front
of
them
and
ballparking
it
like
I'm.
Comparing
this
to
the
sound
of
a
car
truck
or
a
dog
or
a
conversation,
it
gets
a
little
tricky.
H
So
what
I'm
getting
at
is
just
we
wanted
these
to
be
not
technical
tips
in
this
particular
section,
and
this
would
just
be
general
guidelines
kind
of
like
golden
rule
approaches
so
that
people
can
first
be
exposed
to
deepen
their
consideration
and
understanding
of
like
the
dynamics
of
sound,
without
throwing
a
bunch
of
like
numbers
and
metric
readings
at
them.
H
But
you
know
that
being
said:
if
they
get
through
all
this
and
they're
still
dissatisfied,
the
ordinance
is
still
going
to
be
available
for
them
to
reference
and
check
out,
and
then
they
can,
if
they
don't
understand,
decibel
scales,
they
can
simply,
I
suppose,
look
it
up,
but
we
just
wanted
this
extra
reference
there
to
to
be
more
accessible.
G
G
Read
it
from
a
person
whose
kids
can't
go
to
sleep,
because
there's
a
bunch
of
noise,
hey
you're
in
a
dense
and
diverse
city,
you
know
you
should
expect
that
noise.
I
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate
for
this
committee
to
put
that
kind
of
potential
negative
barrier
in
the
way
of
citizens
trying
to
understand
what
their
rights
are.
H
Yeah,
I
I
totally
understand-
and
maybe
we
can
work
together
on
some
sort
of
rephrasing,
but
not
so
much
to
push
back
but
to
just
play
a
clarifying
role
in
why
we
worded
it
like
that.
H
It's
it's
simply
to
be
put
there
as
be
reasonable,
because
grenier
and
daniel
have
like
articulated
and
pointed
out
so
many
times
that
the
data
and
countless
there's
countless
stories
of
complaints
which
did
not
indeed
exceed
ordinance
and
then
there's
repeat
offenders
and
then
there's
other
problems
where
noise
complaints
get
used
as
a
proxy
for
some
other
grievance
between
neighbors
or
establishments
or
etc.
If
you
will,
but
it's
simply
there
to
point
out
an
inevitability
like
it
is
a
fact
that
a
certain
level
of
noise
should
be
expected.
H
We
we
live
under
earth's
atmosphere
in
this
medium
of
hydrogen
and
oxygen
and
there's
going
to
be
sounds
and
everything
we
just
want
people
to
better
understand
that
it's
in
and
it's
not
in
any
way
throwing
our
hands
up,
and
I
think
that
there's
a
difference
between
reducing
the
overall
noise
and
reducing
overall
agitation
and
any
eagerness
to
complain,
they're
two
very
different
things
and
the
approach
we
took
is
it's
just
the
job
of
the
board
of
experts
us
to
craft
a
nuanced
approach
to
to
better
understand
this.
H
But
yeah
like
I
said
that
the
the
working
group
we
got
with
kanye
and
daniel,
and
you
know
we
had
acoustic
and
sound
professionals
and
the
people
in
the
field,
and
we
we
just
agreed
on
the
benefits
of
acknowledging
that
this
is
some
sort
of
inevitability
in
no
way
discourages
we're
not
trying
to
with
our
wording.
That
is.
We
would
never
want
to
do
that,
of
course,
so
otherwise
we
just
wouldn't
make
the
web
page.
We'd,
say
tough
luck,
but
sorry.
But
no.
H
We
just
wanted
to
state
that
as
a
fact,
rather
than
a
discouraging
remark,
and
our
approach
is
that
if
neighbors
can
develop
a
more
nuanced
understanding
of
just
how
noise
works,
we
would
see
an
effect
in
the
data
of
like
a
cut
down
on
repeat,
noise
complaints
and
other
potentially
problematic
types
of
of
complaints
overall.
H
But
it
also
increases
civilian
accountability
as
as
we
see
it
but,
like
I
said,
if
we
run
this
by
people-
and
there
is
a
consensus
that
that
is
a
discouraging
way
of
wording
it,
we
can
totally
jump
into
it
and
find
a
different
way.
But
we
just
wanted
to
state
the
simple
fact
that,
like
noise
is
gonna,
be
there
here's
how
we
can
navigate
it
in
a
civil
way
that
increases
neighborly
accountability.
That's
really
the
sentiment
that
we
were
kind
of
going
after.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
a
couple
of
things
you
know
have
come
to
mind
for
me.
One
is
you
know
when
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
state
statutes,
and
I
know
the
municipalities
have
veered
from
those
you
know
to
to
simplify
using
carmelo's
example.
It
says
that
noise
should
not
be
clearly
audible
outside
of
66
feet
from
the
source
of
it
and
clearly
I
live
550
feet
from
an
outdoor
venue.
B
I
can
hear
it
in
my
living
room
with
noise
canceling
headphones
on
I'm
curious
when
mari
blue
builds
the
300,
I
call
them
dorm
rooms
or
micro
housing
units
on
aston
and
hillyard
flats,
which
they're
asking
for
city
money
to
basically
be
a
land
grant
for
which
I
am
not
particularly
fond
of
either
we're
going
to
have
more
of
a
density
and
concentration
less
than
500
feet
away
from
a
venue,
and
in
fact
today,
I'm
sitting
in
michigan,
because
I
didn't
want
to
sit
through
13
concerts
in
30
days.
B
It
was
not
something
that
I
felt
I
wanted
to
do.
Cost
me
500
bucks
to
board
my
cat,
but
you
know
it's
just
from
where
I
sit.
You
know
it
goes
back
to
what
we
talked
about
around
duration
and
volume
and
frequency,
and
it
just
it
feels
like
we're
violating
that
as
a
city-
and
I
I
put
this
at
their
doorstep
because
they
approve
this
thing.
You
know
I
look
at
the
exceedance
permit,
as
I
always
have.
B
I
think
it's
unnecessary
if
we
think
72
is
the
top
limit
for
cbd
during
the
day.
Why
are
we
going
to
subject
the
population
for
eight
hours
at
a
pop?
You
know
for
better
than
half
the
month
of
june
to
85
or
100,
and
I've
got
the
charts
that
were
sent
to
me
by
my
staff.
So
obviously
I
have
a
perspective
on
it.
That's
probably
different
than
most,
but
I
live
it.
I
I
am
sitting
there.
B
You
know
when
granted,
you
know
rabbit
rabbit,
curtails
at
10
o'clock,
but
then
ben's
tune-up
fires
up
at
10
and
goes
until
they're
ready
to
close.
So
it
just
seems
to
be
constant
from
the
time
they
do
the
warm-ups
and
the
sound
testing
and
the
many
concerts
until
they
get
to
the
big
concerts,
and
I
have
always
said
it's
the
amplified
noise.
That
is
the
problem.
You
know,
because
I
hear
buskers
from
time
to
time
walk
in
the
streets.
B
A
Charlie,
I
hear
you
just
in
terms
of
staying
on
track
for
this
being
a
good,
neighbor
and
sound
mitigation
tips.
Is
there
something
from
this
document
that
you
that
does
not
sit
well
with
you,
based
on.
B
Your
experience,
I
think,
jessica
in
in
context
what
bad
happens
to
someone
for
not
being
a
good
neighbor.
Is
there
any
type
of
penalty
for
them?
Not
doing
this,
and
and
you'll
find
I'm
I'm
I'm
kind
of
black
and
white
on
things
like
this,
as
opposed
to
gray
area
right,
so
in
general,
it
wouldn't
have
been
my
first
choice,
but
you
know,
I
think,
some
elements
of
it,
maybe
to
rick's
point
you
know
being
tightened
up
a
bit
might
get
us
to
a
place
that
is
mutually
agreeable.
A
Okay,
well-
and
I
you
know
the
whole
point
of
this
was
to
you
know
there
are
there
the
whole
point
of
having
grannier
and
and
daniel
is
too
that
there
are
consequences
for
people
who
are
not
within
the
the
within
the
ordinance
right,
and
so
this
is
for
us
was
trying
to
create
something
that
was
prior
to
getting
to
that
point
of
like
what
are
some
things
that
we
can
do,
that
can
make
one
either
less
complaints
from
having
getting
people
more
informed
or
to
helping
people
to
be
proactive
and
making
some
changes
to
their
businesses,
or
even
I
mean
some
of
this
goes
pretty
basic
neighbor
to
neighbor.
A
As
we
see
most
of
the
complaints
are
from
residential
areas
of
you
know,
contacting
your
neighbors
be
proactive
plant.
You
know,
that's
why
we
have
this.
If
you're
planning
a
party
plane
an
instrument
cutting
down
a
tree,
those
sort
of
things
making
sure
that
you
reach
out
ahead
of
time
being
respectful
asking
your
neighbor
to
turn.
You
know
if
somebody
asked
you
turn
your
music
down,
be
considerate
and
oblige.
A
So
you
know
this
is
this
was
meant
to
be
much
more
of
a
more
basic
understanding
in
in
basically
just
a
introductory
getting
information
out
of
how
people
can
can
can
do
better
and
be
better
neighbors.
A
So
I
hear
you,
I
feel,
like
the
things
that
we're
going
to
get
into
a
little
bit
later
are
going
to
definitely
be
able
to
give
us
more
information
to
be
able
to
see
where
things
are
with
decibel
levels
and
how
that
how
that's
working
for
this
for
the
city,
but
I
think
we
all
you
know,
realize
that,
as
you
just
said,
things
are
just
ramping
up,
so
we
need
more
data
in
order
to
figure
out
more
get
more
information
on
that
rick.
You
have
your
hand
raised.
G
Yeah
a
couple
of
things
we're
all
trying
to
do
the
best.
We
know
how
to
do
and
so
we're
making
certain
assumptions.
One
of
the
assumptions
that
I
just
heard
being
made
is
that
assumption
is
the
wrong
word.
Data
has
been
presented
that
says
we're
getting
recurring
complaints
when,
indeed
the
measurements
are
taken
appropriately.
G
Okay,
take
that
as
what
can
be
the
cause
of
that
can
be
lack
of
a
good
neighbor
policy
to
ask
people
to
do
to
think
about
this
differently.
It
can
be
that
people
are
still
experiencing
pain
with
the
decibel
levels
that
are
currently
set,
so
I
don't
think
I
buy
into
that.
It's
the
board's
responsibility
at
this
stage
to
be
recommending
that
complainants
are
not
doing
the
right
thing.
G
G
G
A
No,
no
one
was
planning
to
put
anything
out
without
it
having
to
go
through
the
city.
First,
I
mean
I
think
we
had
talked
about
that
with
haley
and
that
had
been
made
pretty
clear
that
anything
that
was
to
be
put
out
would
have
to
be
cleared
by
the
city
so,
and
also.
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
at
no
point
you
know
with
with
creating
this
document.
A
A
That's
happening,
somebody's
upset
with
the
neighborhood
or
something
else-
and
this
is
this-
is
how
they're
you
know,
they're
getting
back
to
them
or
there's
been
issues
of
people
making
noise
complaints
that
you
know
are
making
continuous
complaints
when
you
know
they
have
to
investigate
them,
and
it's
always
it's
it's
a
somewhat
of
an
innocent
proven
guilt
until
proven
guilty
sort
of
thing
right.
A
A
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
I
agree
with
you
rick
I
mean
I
think,
definitely
we
should
bring
it
to
cape
and
have
them
take
a
look
at
it
and
just
get
it.
You
know
another
perspective
right
because
we're
all
so
close
to
this
in
a
certain
form
or
fashion
right.
You
know
where,
wherever
you
sit
with
this,
so
it
might
be
nice
to
have
that
outside
perspective,
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
give
us
their
thoughts
on
it.
H
I
also
just
want
to
say,
because
we
are
a
working
group
and
we're
kind
of
presenting
this
to
the
larger
group
we
wouldn't
ever
want
to
overstep
so
to
say
so
we
are
trying
to
present
this
in
a
way,
that's
sensitive
to
all
interpretations
and
all
experiences
charlie.
I
can
only
empathize
with
the
situation.
H
I've
I've,
I
believe
we
all
have
dealt
with
loud
neighbors
and
everything,
and
I
I
can
only
empathize
and
it's
a
real
issue
that
we
should
address,
but
just
just
to
go
back
and
reiterate
and
bounce
off
of
what
jessica
was
saying,
really
quick.
Nowhere
in
in
this
to
be
wanted
to
say,
nor
does
it
say
that
we
want
to
discourage
or
prevent
complaints
like
jessica
was
saying
or
deny
the
rights
of
people
to
complain.
Everyone
has
the
right
to
and
that's
why
this
is
there.
H
In
the
first
place,
it's
just
a
preliminary
introduction
to
provide
more
information
for
those
who
are
potentially
interested
in
filing
one,
but
they
there
does
seem
to
be
two
separate
issues
which
I
believe
both
are
equally
important
and
we
should
hash
them
out.
There's
the
decibel
limits
as
part
of
the
ordinance
and
it's
efficacy
and
then
there's
the
good
neighbor
conscious,
neighbor
preliminary
information
that
we're
just
trying
to
craft
here.
H
In
a
way,
that's
sensitive
to
all
the
dynamics
that
go
into
having
a
neighbor
and
just
our
goal
again
just
was
to
increase
the
interpersonal
understanding
and
accountability
with
the
neighbors,
especially
for
the
largest
culprit
in
the
complaints,
which
is
residential
and
neighbor
complaints.
G
H
That's
what
one
of
our
targets
was
in
that
particular
section
that
that's
really
to
clarify:
that's
where
our
heads
were
at
and
it's
it's
shown
to
be
effective,
that
when
you
go
out
there
and
you
talk
to
them
on
their
terms
and
you
you
approach
people
with
all
the
information
with
complete
transparency
that
it
it
does
have
an
effect
and
increasing
this
understanding,
and
that
effect
has
an
inverse
effect
on
the
future
complaints
and
future
issues
too.
G
I
wish
the
whole
noise
scenario
was
a
lot
simpler
than
it
is,
but
it's
it's
horrifyingly
complex,
maybe
just
think
about
two
versions
of
this
document,
one
for
multi-family
neighbors,
because
the
decibel
game
doesn't
come
into
play
at
all
there
right,
that's
100,
nuisance,
driven
and
and
the
wording
might
you
might
find
that
you
can
make
wording
that's
more
meaningful
to
an
apartment,
dweller,
who's,
feeling,
noise
from
the
person
who
lives
above
them
or
next
to
them,
or
people
running
down
the
hall
or
whatever
it
is,
and
then
the
secret
version
for
let's
say
single,
family
or.
G
People
whose
noise
comes
from
outside
their
building,
where
the
decibel
limits
that
that's,
where
why
they
exist
when
people
single
family
homes
or
condominiums
are
in
the
cbd
or
near
commercial
businesses
that
you
know
you
could
tweak
this
a
little
bit
to
face
that
situation,
because
I
think,
if
I
understand
stats
right
from
grania
and
team,
the
vast
majority
of
resident
to
resident
complaints,
vast
majority
come
from
multi-family.
G
G
G
A
Thanks
rick
and
I
see
haley
putting
this
the
agenda
up,
so
we
stay
on
schedule.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
haley,
okay,
so
I
think
what
we'll
we'll
move
on
to
new
business?
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
just
in
terms
of
when
we
get
down
to
talking
about
the
working
groups.
As
this
is
new
working
group.
I
think
we'll
just
revisit
continuing
to
work
on
this
document
and
go
from
there
so
moving
on
is
everybody?
Okay
with
that?
A
Does
that
sound
good
to
everybody,
okay,
cool,
so
moving
on
new
business?
So
you
know
each
each
meeting
we've
had
we're
looking
at
different
part
of
the
ordinance
and
there
was
a
breakdown
for
industrial
and
commercial
non-hospitality
for
us
that
was
put
together.
A
Hopefully,
everyone
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
that
there's
a
bunch
of
slides
that
goes
through
the
old
ordinance,
the
new
ordinance,
the
or,
I
should
say
the
revised
ordinance
the
process
in
terms
of
how
things
are
investigated
and
resolved
and
then
goes
through
the
the
number
of
complaints
that
we've
gotten
from
september,
15th
that
the
city's
got
until
june
2nd
did
everybody
have
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
that,
and
does
anybody
have
some
questions
on
that
for
granted?.
G
F
If
you
have
any
questions
after
the
fact
rick,
I'm
happy
just
shoot
me
an
email
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
them,
and
I
would
just
say,
is
a
two-minute
sort
of
summary.
It's
it's
one
of
those
areas
and
a
lot
of
the
complaints.
The
complainants
have
no
idea
where
paranoia
is
coming
from
with
industrial
noise,
and
so
it
can
be
hard
to
chase
them
down.
F
We've
we've
managed
to
to
find
quite
a
few
of
them,
and
people
in
general
have
been
really
responsive
and
we've
had
some
people
change
their
business
practices
in
order
to
resolve
issues
so,
but
there
are
challenges
there.
I
think
I
would
just
say
you
know.
F
One
of
the
challenges
of
challenges
loan
equipment
is
is
difficult
because
it's
hard
to
get
a
minute
reading,
sometimes
because
it's
on
and
off,
and
on
and
off
it's
random
as
to
when
people
show
up
it's
not
the
same
time
every
week,
so
that
can
be
difficult
and
no
contact.
No
source
information
is
something
that
a
third
of
our
complaints
came
through
with
that
and
and
there's
just
not
really
anything
it's
hard
to
get
something
kick-started.
F
The
one
example
that
we
we
gave
in
there
I
I
give
total
kudos
to
daniel.
He
worked
really
hard
on
this
when
we
literally
drove
up
and
down
riverside
drive
for
weeks
on
end
trying
to
find
his
complaint
and
had
the
complaint
and
text
me
when
they
heard
it
daniel
finally
found
it,
he
found
the
operator
he's
done
a
great
job
on
it.
F
There's
some
emails
in
there
that
I
included-
and
you
know
that
was
one
of
those
ones,
but
it
that
that
probably
started
the
end
of
march
and-
and
we
really
just
got
a
resolution
on
it-
sort
of
the
beginning
of
may
so
that
just
gives
you
an
idea
of
sometimes
some
some
industrial
noise,
particularly
in
the
valley,
the
river
valley
there,
it's
really
hard
to
to
track.
It
know
where
it
is,
and
in
this
case
this
noise
was
very
random
too.
So.
F
But
if
you
see
anything
and
you've
got
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
you
know
just
either
email
me
or
give
me
a
call.
I'm
happy
to
answer
anything
else.
A
F
A
D
F
Bit
of
both
jessica,
what
we
do
with
with
this
this
example
here
and
the
river
arts
district.
When
I
spoke
to
that
gentleman
the
first
time-
and
I
asked
him
to
try
and
and
keep
a
record
for
about
a
week
and
that
I
would
call
him
back
to
see
if
we
could
determine
a
pattern
with
the
noise,
because
this
was
sometimes
happening
in
the
evening-
sometimes
happening
in
the
morning.
He
didn't
know
where
it
was
coming
from,
and
so
when
then
he
he.
I
didn't
hear
back
from
him.
F
But
then
he
came
back
to
me
a
couple
of
weeks
later
and
we're
actually
in
the
field.
When
me
emailed
me,
so
I
called
him
and
we
went
straight
down
and
we
we
drove
up
and
down
reverence
district
till
we
found
it
so
and
then
we
we
went
back
to
his
property
and
took
a
reading
at
his
house
and
then
daniel
took
it
and
was
able
to
follow
up
with
the
the
actual
business
operator.
F
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
both,
but
we
do
sometimes
have
to
ask
people
to
to
try
and
find
a
passion
for
us
because
otherwise
it's
you
know.
I,
the
the
initial
complaint
in
this
regard,
came
in
as
as
a
high-pitched
screech
in
the
river
arts
district,
like
that,
that's
really
very
hard
for
us
to
to
get
any
traction
on
right
so
and
we
then
you
know,
follow
up
with
some
questions.
I
did
ask
him
to
try
and
and
keep
a
a
a
a
record
of
times.
F
So
then
at
least
we
could
actually
schedule
some
time
to
be
in
the
field
if
we
knew
it
happens,
every
tuesday
at
nine
o'clock,
and
so
that
there's
there's
quite
a
bit
of
partnership
with
complainant
in
that
regard,
because
we
rely
on
them
to
be
able
to
fill
in
some
of
these
gaps
for
us
and
other
times,
we'll
ask
that
and
people
will
just
not
know
and
they'll
just
say
I
don't
know.
Sometimes
I
imagine
it
may
actually
be.
F
You
know
some
dot
late
night
work
that
they're
hearing,
but
it's
gone
the
next
day
and
there's
no
there's
no
follow-up.
It's
very
hard
on
on
some
of
those,
but-
and
we
do
we
do
ask
the
the
complainant
to
work
with
us
to
try
and
find
a
pattern.
So
we
can
at
least
try
and
get
out
in
the
vicinity
and
locate
it.
A
F
That's
great,
I
was
looking
for
after
hours
permits
for
concrete
course,
and
I
have
put
together
a
package
for
the
contractors
that
has
got
a
sample
letter
of
what
kind
of
information
they
have
to
have
in
there
too,
and
the
the
requirements
for
how
many
days
they
have
to
notify
neighbors
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
They
send
them
the
zoning
map,
so
they
can
find
their
neighbors
within
500
feet.
So
we've
got
to
get
a
little
package
for
that.
A
Moving
on,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
to
everyone's
attention
that
we
are
going
to
be
moving
to
quarterly
meetings,
so
our
next
meeting
will
be
on
september
12th,
and
I
think
that,
while
we're
going
to
be
going
to
the
quarterly
meetings,
we're
still
going
to
get
these
staff
reports
monthly,
so
the
things
that
we
all
the
same
information
that
we've
been
getting
we're
going
to
continue
to
get
which
is
great,
and
we-
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
this
will
give
an
opportunity
to
have
a
lot
more
data
to
take
a
look
at
and
see
the
trends
by
our
next
meeting
in
september.
A
No
okay
and
our
last
order
of
new
business
is
some
new
or
or
revised
working
groups.
So
rick,
do
you
want
to
talk
about
working
group
for
decibel
levels.
G
Yeah,
so
when
I
look
at
all
the
things
that
are
in
the
ordinance
that
we
should
be
advising
city
council
on,
I
would
say
that
the
number
one
heated
debate
at
the
time
that
the
noise
ordinance
was
approved
was
the
decibel
levels
that
should
remain
in
the
ordinance.
There
was
one
group
who
advocated
for
75
decibel
levels
kind
of
across
the
board.
Another
group
that
advocated
for
45
decibel
limits
across
the
board,
and
I
think
city
staff
found
a
medium
in
between
number
to
try
to
make
everything
go
forward.
G
So
we
had
a
conversation
during
agenda
setting
with
grania
at
all,
and
we
thought
the
working
group
would
take
the
burden.
That's
the
wrong
word.
We
would
do
the
work
to
go
speak
to
either
this
survey
or
interviews
or
whatever
the
most
appropriate
method
is
we'd,
go
talk
to
the
people
who
complained
and
when
measurements
were
taken,
it
was
found
that
the
decibel
levels
were
within
limits
as
set
by
the
ordinance,
and
we
would
try
to
discover
what's
the
impact
on
their
lives,
how
do
they
hear
it
where
they
live,
etc,
etc?
G
To
just
try
to
get
some
background
on
on
the
results
staff
offered
if
we
thought
it
was
ultimately
something
we
would
want
to
do
that
we
could
take
a
meter
into
the
complainant's
home
and
you
know
confirmed,
as
charlie
said,
that
here
are
the
decibel
levels
actually
heard
through
their
walls
or
or
whatever.
That
is
in
order
just
to
get
some
background
information
on
how
citizens
feel
that
they
are
or
are
not
being
effectively
protected,
and
that's
that's
the
overall
goal.
Those
are
the
ideas
that
I
alone
have.
G
I
I
would
be
happy
to
be
the
coordinator
for
the
working
group,
but
then
depict
the
brains
of
the
couple
of
people
who'd
be
willing
to
participate
in
this.
G
As
I
mentioned
in
the
earlier
debate,
I
think
it
was
hayley
recommended.
I
talked
to
cape
to
talk
about
what
we
could
appropriately
do
you
know
where?
Where
would
there
be
boundaries
that
would
not
be
appropriate
for
this
group
to
go
off
and
do
on
its
own,
because
we
were
thinking
about?
G
Any
anything
we
would
do
on
a
public
standpoint,
so
you
know
my
plan
would
be
we
would.
The
working
group
would
meet
as
often
as
the
couple
of
members
that
would
be
part
of
it
during
this
90-day
interim
thing
before
we
all
meet
again
as
a
board,
and
we
would
bring
back
what
we
tried
and
what
we
learned
at
that
point
in
time.
If
we
learned
anything
really
remarkable,
we
would
of
course
get
the
word
out
via
email
to
the
board
members
along
the
way.
G
Oh
one
more
thing,
a
working
group
can
be
as
small
as
one
person,
but
it
must
be
smaller
than
a
quorum
of
the
board,
and
so
we
can
only
have
probably
two
or
three
people
on
it
before
we
start
to
get
into
quorum
space
jeff,
you
got
a
question
got
on
you.
G
B
H
You
you
mentioned
that
you
were
interested
in
investigating
certain
areas
in
which
complaint
numbers
have
dropped
for
the
the
purpose
of
discovering
if
they,
if
the
noise
issues
were
solved
as
opposed
to
them
just
giving
up.
After
being,
I
suppose
what
what
you
might
consider
to
be
a
believer
battle
of
neighbors
and
sonic
warfare,
or
what
have
you
I'm
I'm
curious.
H
Are
you
suggesting
that
you're
and
I
may
have
misunderstood
that
and
if
I
have
stopped
me,
but
are
you
interested
in
going
and
actually
going
out
to
areas
where
complaints
have
dropped
and
investigating
that
with
this
working
group,
or
did
I
misunderstand.
G
So
it's
a
good
question.
My
my
words
frequently
are
confusing.
The
example
I
gave
is
is
directly
from
my
experience
with
the
issues
that
the
people
who
live
near
mission.
G
But
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
the
board
to
hear
from
those
people
what
it
is.
They
feel
when
that
noise
hits
what's
unique
about
their
property,
what
impact
it
has
on
their
life
and
how
they
perceive
it,
which
is
where
I
think
you
might
be
interested
in
carmelo,
is
how
do
they
perceive
the
sound
when
they're
sitting
in
their
liver
living
room
at
nine
o'clock
at
night,
because
there
is
some
science
there
right.
G
There
is
some
science
about
sound
levels
and
how
they
impact
people's
ability
to
sleep,
and
things
like
that,
which
is
where
the,
where
the
staff's
recommendation
that
we
could
conceivably
if
it
was
appropriate,
take
a
meter
into
their
dwelling
when
they
are
receiving
the
sound
that
is,
is
causing
them
stress
and
take
some
measurements
and
compare
that
to
international
standards.
For
you
know
the
impact
of
sound
on
stress
and
that
sort
of
thing
not
not
hearing
loss.
G
None
of
this
is
going
to
hit
the
85
decibels
eight
hours
a
day
that
osha
sets
inside
of
a
factory.
So
maybe,
if
the
working
group
felt
it
was
appropriate,
we
would
sign
out
sign
our
lives
away
for
the
meter
that
the
staff
has
said
we
could
take
and
if
we
thought
that
was
a
good
way
to
get
a
sense
of
the
actual
sound
levels
that
were
inside
somebody's
home
and
that
that
would
give
us
some
clues.
G
G
H
I
I
was
just
curious
as
to
the
the
scale
of
such
an
endeavor,
because
maybe
it
was
just
the
way
you
worded
it
first,
as
as
we
talked
about,
but
yeah,
there's
like
it,
depending
on
the
scale
of
which
that
a
project
reaches
like,
if
it's
just
simply
localized,
to
expounding
the
data
through
surveys
around
mission
hospital
and
how
it
affects
people-
and
you
know
the
personal
experience
of
noise
and
also
like
the
quantifiable
decibel
readings
that
are
going
into
certain
areas
and
everything
yeah.
H
Something
like
that
totally
makes
sense.
I
I
just
the
the
there's
part
of
my
brain
ringing,
saying
that
we
should
also
have.
H
We
should
acknowledge
that
there's
a
difference
in
data
collection
between
surveying
and
and
seeking
out
confirmation
bias
for
any
intended
output
for
a
given
result,
and
also
a
consideration
within
that
that
concerns
whether
or
not
such
surveys
lead
people
on
with
questionnaires
and
by
the
way
things
are
framed
as
well
too,
and
those.
H
Very
very
serious
risky
issues
and
worry
me
not
only
a
because
even
when
in
the
results
are
in
and
tallied
and
everything
there
might
still
be
some
potential
problems
with
with
surveying
in
such
a
way
like
that,
and
also
what
was
the
other
one.
I
was
thinking
of
it.
Just
escaped
me.
H
Yeah
the
surveying,
then
the
other
issue
was
oh
resources
and
time
and
what
they
should
be
focused
on.
You
know
focusing
on
an
area
where
complaints
aren't
going
down
as
opposed
to
peaking,
but
I'm
just.
G
G
Okay,
so
so
far,
it's
me
and
john
anybody
else
thinks
about
this
and
wants
to
raise
their
hand.
Just
let
me
know
jeff
I'll
work
offline
with
you.
I
have
generally
a
very,
very
flexible
schedule.
I
don't
know
what
yours
is
like
at
all,
but
I'm
sure
we
could
find
a
time
that
fits
yours
to
you
know
brainstorm
sort
of
initial
actions.
A
And
to
follow
that
up,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
just
it
seems
like
we
need
to
continue
the
working
on
this
good
neighbor
policy
and
want
to
continue
that
as
a
working
group,
if
those
that
have
previously
been
involved
are
interested
or
if
anybody
else
wants
to
join
in
that
and
can
and
continue
to
hone
in
this
this
document,
but
also
see
about
ways
that
we
could
potentially
get
some
of
this
information
out
or
the
best
way,
if
that
meant
just
putting
something
that
was
finally
approved
by
the
board
up
on
the
city
website
great.
A
But
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
potentially
work
to
get
that
information
more
widely
accessible
through
any
sort
of
like
media
campaign
that
the
city
would
approve
of,
then
I'd
love
to
look
into
that
as
well.
So
carmelo.
I
don't
know
if
you're
interested
in
staying
on
and
continuing
to
work
on
that
today,.
B
A
A
H
Yeah,
of
course,
of
course,
definitely
that's
we
signed
up
for
that
responsibility,
so
we
can
hammer
that
out
for
sure.
H
A
Yeah
me
too
me
too
so
and
granny.
I
don't
know
if
that,
if
you
want
to
continue
to
be
a
part
of
that-
and
anybody
else
is
welcome
to
join
that-
that
wants
to
be
a
part
of
that
and
jeff.
I
know
you're
you've
been
a
part
of
that,
but
if
you
I
know
your
time
is
limited.
So
if
you'd
like
to
just
focus
on
decibel
levels
with
rick,
then
I
completely
understand.
B
Well,
no,
it's
kind
of
a
a
segue.
I
wanted
to
make
the
board
aware
this
will
be
my
last
board
meeting
I'm
resigning
from
the
nab.
I
actually
am
taking
the
advice
of
one
of
the
speakers
during
this
session.
Back
in
july
of
21,
that
told
me
as
a
rich
old
white.
You
know
condo
owner,
I
should
move
out
of
the
city,
so
I
have
sold
my
condo.
I
am
leaving
asheville
and
so
by
default,
I'm
kind
of
going
away
from
the
board
as
well.
B
Just
some
brief
perspectives.
You,
you
probably
have
some.
You
know
centricity
around
some
of
the
things
I
brought
to
the
table.
I
will
tell
you
one
of
the
most
troubling
things
that
I
read
in
an
article
recently
was
actually
a
city
council
candidate
said
that
he
viewed
the
core
problem
of
the
musicians
in
the
city
as
the
gentrification
of
asheville.
B
I'm,
like
that's
a
pretty
narrow-minded
viewpoint.
I
think
you
know
there's
a
sharing
that
we
should
do
whether
we
own
property
and
contribute
to
you
know
things
that
end
up
being
land
grants
or
whatever
for
building
of
affordable
housing,
but
to
see
that
sort
of
thing
in
print
really
just
kind
of
dug
into
me
a
bit,
and
I
didn't
care
too
much
about
it,
but
the
sale
of
my
condo
came
about
you
know
out
of
the
blue.
I
wasn't
marketing
it,
but
the
gentleman
probably
for
his
benefit
will
be.
B
He
and
his
wife
will
be
remote
homeowners,
but
but
that
nonetheless
he
was
made
aware
of
you
know
sound
issues
downtown
and
so
on.
That
was
more
to
keep
me
out
of
court
as
a
as
a
real
estate
agent
representing
myself,
but
you
know
my
points
jessica,
you
and
rick,
and
the
rest
of
the
board.
Members
that
I
would
leave
behind
is
that
I
honestly
don't
see
this
reaching
a
successful
conclusion
for
12
to
18
months
and
I've
already
got
12
to
18
months
in
this
dialogue
with
mostly
city
council.
B
As
I
said,
a
little
bit
earlier,
I
think
you
know,
council
is-
is
really
the
ones
that
have
to
lay
this
at
the
feed
of
they
made
the
vote
on
on
the
decimal
levels,
which
I
personally
feel
are
too
high.
That's
just
one
man's
perspective
and
you
know
I
don't
feel
like
the
council
is
viewing
noise
in
the
inner
city.
B
Importantly
enough,
they
obviously
have
other
issues,
obviously
with
homelessness
and
and
reparations
committees,
and
things
of
that-
and
you
know
even
the
you
know,
narrowing
down
of
the
18
or
20
to
four.
I
think
will
further
dilute
you
know
messaging,
but
I
wish
my
fellow
board
members
well,
I
probably
will
hopefully
live
somewhere
in
or
around
the
asheville
area,
but
it
won't
be
downtown.
B
C
Thank
you
jessica.
Let
me
just
try
refreshing
my
page,
because
the
wi-fi
has
been
a
little
slow
today
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
what
I'm
seeing
is
accurate,
let's
just
take
just
a
second.
C
Okay,
yeah:
we
have
no
one
on
the
line
for
public
comment.
C
E
So
I'm
not
the
board
but
just
real
quickly.
First,
I
want
to
say
good
meeting
today
that
was
really
good
discussion
by
the
board.
E
I
thought
you
made
some
good
progress
on
your
dialogue
and
then
maybe
just
a
reminder,
so
your
working
groups
can
be
like
you
said
this
rick,
but
they
can
be
up
to
three
of
you
or
as
a
quorum,
so
you
can
have
working
groups
and
three
and
while
I
think
it's
important
that
you
do
the
work
you've
been
doing,
but
also,
though,
that
as
staff
we
can
be
a
resource
to
you
and
we
can
help
to
whatever
extent
you
need
our
help
and
then
just
to
make
sure
I
guess
the
plan
is,
is
for
the
working
groups
to
report
back
to
the
full
board
in
september.
E
A
To
say
that
I
appreciate
everybody
being
here.
Obviously
this
is
a
new
board,
and
this
is
something
that
is
so
nuanced
right,
as
rick
pointed
out
earlier,
that
it's
just
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
dealing
with
noise
and
sound
and
how
it's
perceived
and
in
the
complications
of
it.
So
you
know
I
know
this
is
hard.
I
know
that
we
sit
on
different
sides
of
these
issues
and
that
we
all
want
the
same
thing
of
of
being
able
to
live
cohesively
in
the
city.
A
You
know
doing
what
we
do
and
having
you
know,
enjoyable
lives.
So
I
appreciate
everybody
being
here
and
helping
to
work
that
out,
because
you
know
as
a
saying
that
my
mom
used
to
say
all
the
time
is
like
the
things
like
this
are
clear
as
mud,
and
so
it's
it's
gonna,
take
some
time
for
us
to
get
this
figured
out
and
there's
gonna
be
some
of
this.
As
we
know
right
and
there's
going
to
be
some,
you
know
there's
going
to
be
some
ups
and
downs
with
it.
A
So
I
appreciate
everybody's
willingness
and
and
charlie
know
your
cameras
off,
but
also
appreciate
you
being
a
part
of
this
conversation
as
well,
because
you
know
it's
important
to
have
all
these
different
perspectives
and
I
I'm
as
as
challenging
as
this
may
have
as
this
is,
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
be.
I'm
just,
I
feel
you
know
we'll
we'll
do
our
best
to
to
work
it
out
and
and
and
deal
with
the
kinks
along
the
way
as
they
come.
So
just
I
appreciate
all
of
you,
haley.
C
Thank
you
jessica.
Just
to
summarize
things
to
make
sure
I
have
accurate
action
minutes.
So
did
the
sound
mitigation
working
group
become
become
the
good
neighbor
policy
working
group,
or
do
we
still
want
to
call
it
sound
mitigation?
How
do
we
want
to
handle
that.
A
Good
question:
I
mean
that
because
they're
kind
of
like
one
in
the
same
because
it's
like
our
documents,
be
called
being
a
good
neighbor
and
sound
mitigation
tips.
So
I
mean
we
can
just
keep
the
name
of
the
sound
mitigation
working
group.
C
Okay
and
all
the
members
are
staying
the
same,
so
we
have
jeff
you
and
carmelo
correct
for
that.
Working
group.
C
And
if
jeff,
if
you
do
fall
out
of
that
working
group,
rick
know
that
you
could
step
up
and
if
you
wanted
to
provide
some
feedback
at
that
point
to
you
know
avoid
the
quorum.
We
can
only
have
three
max
members
of
the
working
group
at
any
given
time
so.
F
C
Let
us
know
if
that's
something
that
you
would
like
to
do
and
then
to
confirm
our
other
working
group
moving
forward
is
going
to
be
working
on
decibel
levels
and
that
will
be
jeff
and
rick
okay
and
you
all
please
reach
out
as
things
move
forward
like
I
said
we
can
get
some
decibel
readers
for
you
all
and
maybe
help
point
you
in
some
directions.
If
you
feel
like
those
directions,
are
good
ones
to
go.
G
So
I
I
have
one
question
since
since
charlie
has
resigned.
C
This
is
new
for
me,
so
I'm
going
to
be
finding
out
and
I
will
contact
everybody
that
is
a
member
of
the
board
I'll
just
bcc
everyone.
So
we
don't
start
a
group
conversation,
but
just
know
that
I
will
be
figuring
that
out
and
hopefully
to
have
you
answers
before
the
end
of
the
week
on.
What's
going
on
there,
they,
I
think,
with
the
resignation
they
post
for
they
post
it
to
the
public
for
an
applicant.
D
So
I
will
say
I
know
because
I'm
on
boards
and
commission,
we
keep
applications
on
file
for
a
year
and
it
will
likely
be
re-advertised.
D
And
if
it's
done
in
a
timely
fashion,
we
might
be
able
to
have
someone
appointed
by
september,
but
I
can't
guarantee
that.
But
that's
the
usual
process.