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From YouTube: Affordable Housing Advisory Committee – May 4, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Affordable Housing Advisory Committee.
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A
But
some
of
them.
C
D
Of
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
meeting
Marge
Makowski,
the
co-chair
and
I
want
to
say
that
this
is
our
first
meeting
with
a
little
bit
of
a
change
in
leadership
structure
where
we
are
going
to
have
co-chairs,
and
so
we
ask
that
you
work
with
us
as
we
go
through
this
process.
We
work
with
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
of
the
committee
of
the
city
on
many
different
issues
of
policy
and
we
forward
all
of
our
recommendations
to
them
and
they
afford
it
to
the
full
City
Council.
D
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
now
participating
in
person.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website,
and
also
link
on
the
committee
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel
either
live
or
recorded.
D
The
public
can
listen
to
the
meeting
live
by
calling
855-925-2801
then
enter
the
code.
7663
public
comment
will
be
taken
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
we
will
also
accept
comments
by
email
or
voicemail,
but
they
must
be
made
by
5
PM
the
day
before
the
meeting.
We
may
also
decide
to
take
comments
after
each
section,
I
will
now
take
the
roll
call
for
establish
a
forum.
Andy
Burnett
co-chair
here,
Scott.
E
F
E
D
First
thing
on
our
agenda
is
to
approve
the
the
minutes
from
the
last
April
meeting.
Has
everybody
had
an
opportunity
to
read
and.
D
Next,
up
on
our
agenda
is
some
old
business
that
we
talked
about
for
any
number
of
meetings
previously
and
that's
the
liege
policy
and
micro
units
and
today
we're
supposed
to
be
giving
a
final
policy
recommendation
for
micro
units
in
general
to
Housing
and
Community
Development
Committee
Sasha.
Do
you
want
to
just
kind
of
do
a
wrap
up
or
a
summary
or
for
where
we've.
G
Been
sure-
and
so
I
didn't
prepare
a
lot
for
this.
There
is
a
recommendation
that
in
the
folder
for
your
materials
that
the
executive
committee
came
up
with
since
your
last
meeting,
I
did
speak
with
several
developers
and
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
write
this
all
up
for
you,
but
I
spoke
to
a
private
developer,
who
was
approved
for
luige
I
spoke
to.
We
spoke
to
another
private
Margie
joined
me
for
that
meeting,
and
we
also
spoke
to
another
set
of
developers
who
were
approved
for
Louisiana
Housing
Trust
Fund
project
loans.
G
Excuse
me
and
then
we
also
and
then
I
spoke
separately
to
another
developer,
who
who
uses
vouchers
a
lot
and
all
his
units
are
affordable,
but
he's
not
a
tax
credit
developer,
he's
a
local
developer
and
all
three
developers
did
say
they
didn't
think
requiring
vouchers
as
a
set-aside
was
a
good
idea
that
it
creates
more
burden
and
more
barriers
to
actually
building
housing,
and
they
thought
it
would
actually
kind
of
cut
off
development.
D
D
G
Voucher
side
of
science
there
there
was
a
range
of
responses
around
one
developer
said:
I
would
love
to
work
with
the
city
on
a
all,
affordable
project
and
using
vouchers,
and
you.
H
G
E
G
The
the
developer
that
does
all
affordable
units
and
uses
a
lot
of
vouchers
and
is
a
big
advocate
for
vouchers.
It's
it's
a
it's
almost
a
completely
different
approach.
Right,
it's
it's
different
than
what
a
market
rate
developer
is
used
to
doing
and
it
takes
a
different
approach.
He
uses
things
like
special
software
that
allows
people
to
pay
their
rent
at
Walmart
or
other
places.
He
he
has
a
lower
credit
threshold
for
people
because
he
understands
that
everybody's.
G
H
G
He's
very
strict
about
you,
know,
keeping
your
unit
up
and
all
the
things
so
so
he's
very
committed
to
affordable
housing.
He
also,
but
he
also
at
the
same
time,
didn't
think
requiring
set
aside
was
a
good
idea.
He
thought
using
bonuses
to
get
those
set-asides
you're,
going
to
get
a
lot
farther
with
that
than
requiring.
G
D
With
the
exponential
cost
of
materials
and
what
it's
taking
to
build,
the
set-asides,
they
can
really
lose
money
quickly
and
they
need
to
get
in
get
them
rented
right
away
and
if,
for
some
reason
they
have
to
go
30
days,
it
can
be
over
for
the
set-asides.
So
that's
where
they
were
talking
about
some
other
type
of
incentive.
G
And
it
did
and
the
developer,
who
has
all
affordable
units
he
talked
about.
He
works
with
the
different
agencies.
Thrive
Homeward
Bound,
some
of
the
folks
that
are
helping
get
voucher
holders
into
units,
and
he
basically
said
if,
if
those
nonprofits
are
well
staffed
and
really
help
with
that
process
and
do
all
the
kind
of
case
management
and
problem
solving
that
they
want
to
do,
then
it's
great
and
it's
super
helpful
for
him
and
but
if
they're
not
fully
staffed,
then
that's
problematic.
So
it
started
to
make
me
think
about.
G
For
these
larger
developments,
I
mean
if
Thrive
was
bigger
or
you
know
some
program,
I
won't
say
just
Thrive,
but
if
we
had
a
larger
system
of
helping
folks
get
into
units
and
be
able
to
help
with
that
quicker
turnaround
right,
because
that
turnaround
of
leaving
a
unit
vacant
for
60
90
days
it
kind
of
messes
with
their
Pro
Form,
you
know
their
spreadsheets
their.
H
Costs
does
that
look
like
an
RFP?
Can
that
be?
You
know
some
type
of
way
of
getting
some
of
these
other
non-profits
to
step
it
up
a
little
bit
because
it
can
be
done.
I've
worked
with
clients
and
we've
got
them
housed
in
three
or
four
days,
because
the
nonprofit
I
was
working
with
I
could
get
a
credit
card
right
away.
I
could
get
a
check
in
24
hours
or
even
if
I
needed
an
hour,
but.
I
G
And
some
you
know,
we
heard
a
little
bit
of
the
standard
like
what
this
typical
I
won't
say,
typical,
but
what
we've
all
heard
before
of
voucher
holders?
You
know
some
of
the
stereotypes
or
kind
of
stigma.
Thank
you.
That's
looking
for
that
word
around
that.
You
know
we
have
prop.
We
we've
heard
about
issues
of
people
tearing
up
their
units
and
and
at
the
same
time,
I've
heard
from
from
local
landlords.
Like
they're
my
best
tenants,
you.
E
G
J
Nothing
to
as
it
relates
to
wait
time
to
get
a.
B
Requirement
came
up
because
we'll
feel
like
we're
observing
is
a
lot
of
developers
saying
that
they
would
accept
vouchers,
but
then
that
mix
would
turn
out
to
be
nobody
with
vouchers
and
they'd
say
well.
We
said
we
would
accept
them,
but
we
we
got
somebody
else
in
first
we
we
can't
really
give
money
away
to
people
for
that
purpose,
and
it
not
you
know,
I
get
I
get
to
the
requirement,
doesn't
feel
good
and
we
don't
want
to
block
development,
certainly
but
Lord.
H
K
We
get
to
like
I,
think
we'd
ask
about
getting
the
reporting
data
because
we
said
like
the
each
development
versus
funding,
has
to
has
an
annual
report
that
you'll
prepare.
Is
there
a
way
to
see
what
that
data
is
like
to
know
that
way?
We
know
what
we're
talking
about
like
if,
if
projects
are
funded
and
they're
setting
aside
like
they're
supposed
to
be
X-Men
vouchers
on
the
annual
report,
does
it
say
actually
how
many
are
voucher
tenants?
So
we
so.
L
K
D
G
Mean
that's
us,
that's
right.
We
have
it
for
two
of
our
four
luige
projects.
I
mean
there's
only
four,
so
so
you
all
know
and
there's
more
in
the
pipeline.
G
So
that's
why
this
discussion
is
so
important,
but
yeah
we
can
get
you
that
for
we've
done
monitoring
on
a
two
a
couple
of
them
this
year
and
we're
going
to
do
the
rest
this
this
month.
G
K
Yeah
the
other
thing
as
I
have
a
county
like
we've
talked
in
the
past
about
how,
with
some
of
the
larger
projects
that
are
funded,
how
maybe
leadership
has
been
like
a
non-profit
partner
or
funding
should
be
set
aside
for
non-profit
support
agencies
to
help
with
Integrations.
You
know,
especially
in
mixed
Community,
like
your
communities
that
have
some
values
and
some
of
that
I.
E
H
M
Too
two
things,
one
to
this
question
of
monitoring,
so
you
said:
there's
there's
four
existing
Louise
projects,
you've
done
monitoring
on
two
of
them.
You've
got
more
in
the
pipeline.
Do
we
have.
M
G
Great
question
I'm
not
I,
should
I
should
have
a
great
answer
for
you
right
away:
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure,
okay,
I
think,
because
I
think
the
luige
mod
I
think
we're
I'm,
hoping
we
can
create
some
systems
we're
getting
new
Grant
software
soon,
which
is
going
to
really
help
us.
It's
going
to
have
a
monitoring,
module
and
I
think
that
will
help
us
a
lot.
We
also
have
a
bunch
of
CZ
conditional.
H
G
M
Carey,
the
other
thing
that
I'll
I
want
to
mention
going
back,
and
since
we've
met
last
and
looking
at
this
at
the
existing
language
policy,
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
set-asides
for
voucher
holders
and
all
of
that
The
Benchmark
that
that
exists
in
the
living
policy
as
it
is,
is
50
of
the
units
rented.
M
So
we,
you
know
as
they're
doing
monitoring
that
is
already
in
the
Box
so
that
you
know
I,
think
that
is
a
standard
that
we've
already
played
out
that
that
language
could
be
strengthened
as
we
look
at
it.
Yeah
additional
wage
policy.
M
F
E
M
M
The
existing
policy
already
contains
language
around
units
that
are
actually
printed
to
voucher
holders
and
requirements
that
the
beach
developers
work
with
non-profit
Partners
to
market
the
availability
of
units.
So
a
lot
of
that
is,
you
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
what
we're
talking
about
is.
It
may
not
be
as
clearly
and
specifically
worded
as
we
would
like
to
see
and
that's
work
that
we
can
do
as
we
revamped
his
policy,
but
those
things
are
here.
G
It's
still
a
May
versus
child
just
to
be
super.
Clear
and
I
confirmed
this
with
Janice
Ashley.
Yesterday
Tuesday
we
talked
this
through.
It
is
not
it,
it's
not
a
requirement.
It's
not
a
set-aside,
it's
like
your
best
faith
efforts,
but
that
is
not
you're,
not
necessarily
in
violation.
If
you
don't
have
voucher
holders
now
you
do
you
need
to
show
your
efforts
for
sure.
I
mean
I.
Think
things
like
you.
G
Specific
language
about
source
of
income
or
credit
barriers-
or
you
know
it
could
have
some
things-
here's
some
things.
We
want
you
to
do
to
make
sure
that
you
can
accept
vouchers.
E
G
K
H
K
K
K
D
D
You
have
showed
those
good
faith
efforts
by
actually
saying
who
you
contacted
and
why
they
weren't
able
to
you
know,
do
the
work
or
whatever
it
is
so
I
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
we
can
add
to
the
current
process
or
not
and
again,
I
think
it's
a
lot
easier
for
local
developers
versus
these
big.
F
F
Paying
those
applications
or
the
people
that
have
the
vouchers
who
have
to
make
those
applications,
because,
if
you're
they're
going
through
a
feudal
effort-
and
it
doesn't
help
so
if
someone
says
I've
got
50
units
that
are
affordable,
25
or
for
vouchers
and
during
the
course
of
the
year,
they've
taken
200
applications,
but
don't
accept
one
of
them.
That's
a
lot
of
resources
that
got
sucked
out
of
the.
F
E
C
D
M
Is
this
question
about
voucher
acceptance,
voucher
reviews
and
Luigi's
minute
projects?
Is
it
specific
to
micro
units
in
some
way
or
are
we
looking
at?
Are
we
having
a
conversation
about
the
policy
changes
we'd
like
to
see
in
the
policy
overall?
In
which
case
we
have
you
know
you.
M
For
making
those
larger
policy
decisions
that
you
know
it's
already
locked
in
here
that
isn't
as
time
sensitive
as
getting
HCG
a
set
of
recommendations,
particularly
around
micro
units,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we're,
if
we're
trying
to
do
straight,
tomorrow's
work
today
and
not
getting
today's
work
done,
because
we're
focused
on
on
a
bigger
which
honestly
is
a
larger
and
in
some
ways
more
urgent
question.
It
affects
more
people.
It
affects
more
potential
applications
than
the
micro
unit.
A
question
does,
but
you
know
today's
work
and,
quite
frankly,
last
month's
work
was
really.
A
Yeah
I
read
a
question
was
that
that
that's
what
they
that's,
how
the
issue
came
up
and
I
agreed?
It's
a
super,
important
issue
that
we
need
to.
You
know.
We
know
we
need
to
get
investigating
how
serious
people
are
taking.
We
want
it
to
be
a
must
and
for
all
all
Apostles
that
have
been
a
bigger
questions.
Development
balancing
require
you
never
would
accept
versus
giving
them
credit
from.
A
H
A
The
way
they
don't
want
that
so
I
I
would,
you
know,
probably
recommend
that
we
don't
use
these
funds
for
that
unless
they
do
and
since
the
policy
doesn't
require
it,
you
know
that's
that
would
be
my
feeling
on
this.
I'm
definitely
interested
in
what
other
people
think.
A
H
E
F
So
would
my
takeaway
from
the
last
meeting
was
that
there's
enough
discomfort
about
the
existing
Luigi
policy,
regardless,
whether
it's
micro
housing
or
not,
that
it
may
not
be
a
good
use
of
City
resources
to
approve
any
new
new
EG
policy
in
the
grants
until
we
revisit
the
overall
policy
which
is
supposed
to
do
in
our
workplace
by
September,
so
I
think
my
point
would
be.
F
Maybe
we
shouldn't
just
report
back
to
ACD
saying
that
we
have
these
discomforts
with
Luigi
policy,
specifically
around
the
subside
issue,
and
the
showers
was
the
May
and
then
we
did
raise
some
issues
in
our
last
meeting
that
we're
directly
related
to
micro
housing.
We
had
some
concerns
about.
Are
we
going
to
get
the
same
level
of
Grant
to
a
unit?
That's
250
350
square
feet
that
we
would
get
to
a
700
square
foot
apartment
right.
F
We
had
raised
there
was
the
issue
around.
Is
this
really
going
to
meet
the
need
for
the
people
who
are
vouchers
or
is
it
what.
F
Take
this
because
it's
the
only
thing
we're
going
to
provide
you
sort
of
equity
around
that,
and
then
there
was
a
point
that
David
just
brought
up
as
well.
This
project
was
getting
built
anyway,
and
the
the
rents
in
these
apartments
are
going
to
be
below
the
average
market
rate
anywhere.
That's
their
business
model.
It
doesn't
really
need.
The
same.
Look
doesn't
mean
that
level
of
City
support
in
order
to
be
completed
so
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
to
Point
Andy
Breeze.
F
F
K
Some
of
the
discussion
came
up
as
we
were
being
there
was
part
of
it.
Luigi
weren't
playing
you
know
like
Luigi,
was
on
a
work
plan
and
it
was
talked
about
that
changing
and
then
there
was
with
the
micro
housing
question
came
to
us
and
the
quote:
what
we
said
is
we
actually
have
more
concerns
with
the
overall
Luigi
policy
than
we
do
specifically
about
micro
units,
and
then
I
was
I
was
pretty
clear
that
I
felt
uncomfortable
that
we
are
being
asked
to
negotiate
a
policy
mid-application
cycle
for
application.
K
That
made
me
really
uncomfortable,
you
know,
so
that
was
kind
of
why
we're
working
we
kind
of
led.
The
conversation
like
well
we're
comfortable
with
the
luige
policy,
but
it's
like
to
be
the
point
of
now
that
they're
like
now
discussing
to
change
a
specific
part
of
the
policy
Midstream
of
someone
specific
application.
It
feels
picky
and
that's
kind
of
where
we've
been
said.
Well,
what
are
we
uncomfortable
with
Louise
and
it's
really
more
about
the
acceptance
of
the
vouchers?
How
do
we
make
it
made.
K
That
yeah,
it
feels-
and
that's
where
kind
of
that
discussion
is
like
yeah
there's,
definitely
some
issues
with
the
wage
policy,
but
it,
but
the
city
also
doesn't
have
many.
You
know
what
do
we
have?
Housing,
customers
and
and
Luigi
is
the
only
form
of
any
Grand
Housing
Trust.
One
is
only
11
program
right
now,
so
by
dropping
the
bomb
like
dropping
parts
of
the
bombs
for
anything
other
than
loans,
Luigi
is
the
only
thing
only
way.
N
But
that's
I
mean
I'll,
say
that's.
What
I
was
hearing
a
moment
ago
is
essentially
a
discussion
of
a
moratorium
on
any
and
all
Luigi
and
separate
from
the
micro
unit
issue
that
at
least
one
point
that
I
raised
last
time
on
this
discussion
was
maybe
not
taking
an
All
or
Nothing
approach
to
it,
but
a
proportionality
approach
to
it.
N
If
the
unit
is
literally
half
the
size
of
a
one
bedroom,
perhaps
looking
at
still
allowing
that
to
be
Luigi
eligible,
but
the
the
increment
of
funding,
the
or
the
increment
of
support
that
you
could
potentially
receive
for
that
would
be
roughly
half
of
what
a
one
bedroom
would
be.
That's
at
least
just
you
know,
one
view
in
terms
of
looking
at
micro
units
within
the
what
I
think
of
as
the
housing
ecosystem,
anything
from
the
smallest
to
the
biggest
and
also
I
guess
yeah
I
mean
it
is
a
good
question
about.
N
You
know:
does
X
Project
already
pencil
out
for
the
developer?
Will
the
prevailing
rents
already
be
at
or
below,
Market
I
guess
a
counter
argument
that
could
be
you.
K
N
Hey
if
there
was
the
incentive
of
even
getting
a
a
50
credit
on
a
micro
unit,
would
that
actually
spur
production
of
more
or
incentivize?
More
of
those,
so
I
think
that's
the
you
know
that
that's
one
element
of
looking
at
micro
units
from
just
a
what
I
think
is
a
rational
proportionality
standpoint,
but
in
terms
of
yeah
putting
a
moratorium
on
luige
I.
Don't
that's
that's
a
decision
for
others
to
make.
D
P
P
The
first
thing
would
be
interesting
that
I
did,
in
my
analysis,
of
the
the
housing
that
we're
building
is
I,
went
to
talk
to
the
person
at
the
VA,
that's
in
charge
of
the
vouchers
there
and
if
you
haven't
spoken
to
him
already,
I
think
it'd
be
very
interesting
and
I
know
that
they
have
a
significant
number
of
vouchers
in
what
I
learned
from
him
is
that
90
percent
of
their
voucher
holders
don't
have
automobiles.
P
So
the
10
percent
that
do
they're
easier
to
find
housing
for
they
right
now,
I
think
most
of
them
end
up
being
in
trailer
parks,
because
those
are
the
ones
that
are
sort
of
low-income
housing
that
accept
vouchers.
But
those
are
the
ones
that
have
automobiles.
The
challenge
he's.
Having
is
finding
places
for
people
that
don't
have
cars
that
are
accessible
to
public
transportation.
P
P
So
if
you
look
at
Merriman
Avenue,
which
I
spoke
about
in
city
council
a
few
months
ago,
the
zoning
there's
tb1,
even
though
we
should
have
housing
along
Merriman,
the
zoning
there
only
allows
for
basically
Chick-fil-A
and
and
McDonald's,
because
the
the
size
of
the
building
maximum
six
thousand
square
feet,
the
total
size
maximum
is
12
000
square
feet,
that's
not
good
for
housing,
and
yet
we
have
a
bus
lane
that
goes
up.
We
have
two
buses
that
go
up
Merriman
and
it's
mostly
single-family
housing.
P
P
So
we
have
a
bus,
that's
basically
not
used
a
lot,
and
so
we
should
be
building.
We
should
be
changing.
The
zoning
I
mean
it's
a
longer
term
thing
to
create
housing
along
the
transportation
corridors,
but
until
we
do
that
our
housing,
our
micro
units
I,
think,
are
the
most
viable
for
a
lot
of
voucher
owners.
P
P
Obviously
I
know
what
child
means
in
a
legal
document,
but
I
wasn't
aware
that
the
document
was
a
little
bit
wishy-washy.
So
Our
intention
was
to
you
know,
except
vouchers:
it's
not
really
my
responsibility
to
figure
out
the
enforcement
of
it
and
that's
a
overall
Luigi
policy
and
I
understand
that's
important.
P
It's
not
really
my
responsibility,
though
our
responsibility
will
be
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
Luigi
policy,
so
I
do
think
that
our
units
would
be
very
attractive
to
all
sorts
of
people
in
a
lower
income
range
I
mean
that's
the
purpose
of
them.
That's
why
they're
building
them
small
so,
but
to
answer
the
question
Scott
that
you
had
mentioned
about
the
size
of
the
units,
so
we
don't
know
exactly
what
the
market
rent
is
going
to
be
because
I
know.
P
I
know
that
when
we
originally
started,
we
thought
we'd
be
in
the
900
range
or
so,
but
and
that's
where
they
were
in
Nashville
that
my
partner's
built
a
couple.
The
rents
now
in
that
unit
because
of
the
same
issues
that
Asheville
is
having
in
terms
of
lack
of
housing,
is
between
1200
and
1400
a
month
for
the
micro
Apartments.
P
Now
the
one
difference
between
that
and
a
regular
apartment
is
all
the
utilities
are
included,
so
that
includes
electricity,
water
Wi-Fi,
that's
another
benefit
of
what
we're
building
is
that
it's
pretty
much
move-in
ready
for
people,
they
don't
have
to
hassle
with
Duke
and
the
Wi-Fi,
which
can
be
expensive
but
the,
but
the
rents
are
moving
up
there
and
it's
a
testament
to
the
demand
of
these
units
that
people
like
it
and
again
it's
an
alternative,
no
one's
being
forced
to
live
there.
People
choose
if
they
decide
they
like
it.
P
P
Amount
is
already
proportional
to
the
rent
that's
being
charged,
so
whatever
people
believe
the
rent
is
I,
think
there's
already
a
proportionality
there
and
in
fact,
if
you
do
the
math,
if
you
look
at
our
Luigi
Grant
application,
I
think
our
per
unit
Grant
was
like
40
000
or
something,
whereas
the
grant
you
know
I
think
the
maximum
is
80.
000.
P
P
Usually
it's
only
the
one
bedrooms
that
are
being
proposed
for
the
Luigi
Grant,
and
yet
your
tax
subsidy
is
subsidizing.
The
two
and
three
bedrooms
so
you're
actually
providing
a
larger
subsidy
for
the
two
and
three
bedrooms
because
you're
giving
because
if
you
calculate
the
tax
for
a
traditional
apartment
building
the
tax
incorporates
the
larger
units,
whereas
all
our
units
are
small,
so
you're
only
subsidizing
the
tax
for
smaller
units.
That's
why
our
application
Grant,
is
a
lot
smaller
per
unit.
P
P
It's
between
200
to
350.,
so
some
of
the
Ada
units
are
larger
because
they
have
to
meet
ADA
requirements,
but
I
think
yeah
a
little
bit
above
200.
It
hasn't
been.
We
haven't
done
Full
Construction
drawings,
yet
so
it's
still
a
little
bit
preliminary
at
this
point,
but
around
200
250
is
probably
the
average.
N
P
Company
I'm,
sorry
about
that
David,
Moritz
and
company,
or
so
for
this
project.
It's
Aston,
Flats,
okay,
is
the
name
of
the
company.
Thank.
K
You
know,
since
you
haven't,
you
haven't
really
seen
them
like
the
legal
papers
of
all
this.
So
since
what
you're
saying
it's
kind
of
the
intent,
whether
it's
the
mayor
shall
intent,
was
to
provide
the
voucher
housing.
So
if,
in
the
condition
of
approval
from
hcd,
the
wording
was
had
the
wording
had
the
shall
versus
the
May?
Is
that
do
you
really
have
an
issue
with
that?
No.
P
P
E
D
P
Yeah
well,
I
mean
we
don't
have
staff
at
the
moment,
but
we
would
have
a
property
manager
in
charge
of
Leasing
and
managing
the
property
and
yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
for
sure
we
would
work
with
I
mean
the
main
entities
that
have
the
vouchers
are
the
city
and
the
VA
I'm,
not
sure
what
other
organizations
feel
it.
K
You
know
I,
guess
specifically
for
guidance
from
ATV
for
this,
and
you
know
we're
saying
the
Apple
kid
is
assuming
the
light,
assuming
the
policy
as
the
enforcement
action
in
it,
and
it
is
intended
for
Michelle.
So
what
you're?
Basically
we're
being
asked
for,
specifically
on
the
micro
units.
So
now
we
have
the
opportunity
to
say:
okay,
well,
micro
units
are
cool
as
long
as
they
go
with
the
Shower
systems.
It's
like
again,
I've,
never
read
the
exact
policy
myself.
K
P
P
J
What
I'm
interested
in
is
that
I
think
I've
heard
this
before,
but
and
discussed
it,
but
are
you
prepared
to
develop
even
if
you
were
not.
P
I,
don't
know
because
the
way
the
costs
are
going,
it's
it's
hit
or
miss
right
now,
I
mean
we're
still
trying
to
our
first
one
has
been
approved,
so
the
first
one.
We
have
two
projects,
the
first
one
we
did
to
get
approval
on
Luigi
Grant
and
we're
still
struggling
to
make
them
Costco
I
mean
on
our
first
project.
When
we
first
started,
the
estimate
was
like
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
and
now
it's
closer
to
12.
P
and
that's
just
in
the
course
of
the
last
18
months
and
I
at
that
we
had
to
renegotiate
our
bank
loan
and
even
then,
especially
because
for
our
units
not
to
make
this
too
long,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
bathrooms
and
a
lot
of
mini
kitchens
and
so
because
they're
small
units,
but
each
one
has
this
private
bathroom
and
everything
and
the
costs
have
gone
up
the
most
with
HVAC
plumbing
and
electrical,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
that
for
the
size
of
the
building.
P
So
I
think
we've
been
hit
even
harder
with
some
of
the
costs.
So
I
don't
even
know.
If
we're
going
to
get
the
first
one
started.
We
might
have
to
wait
to
answer
your
question.
I
would
did
bring
up
a
specific
thing
that
I
think
also
needs
to
be
looked
into,
and
that
is
the
grant
is
meant
to
be
the
grant
to
cover
the
increased
property
tax
from
building.
P
But
currently
it's
it's,
not
inflation
adjusted.
So
it
starts
it.
It
starts
to
make
it
sort
of
marginal
in
terms
of
whether
the
Luigi
is
actually
really
worth
it
for
a
developer,
because,
especially
now
with
inflation
going,
it
I
think
it's
called
a
grant.
It's
meant
to
be
a
refund
of
the
property
tax,
but
it's
based
on
like
the
first
year
cost
like
after
10
years.
P
P
E
D
E
D
D
G
Yeah,
it
seems
as
long
as
you
don't
treat
those
units
differently
than
all
the
other
units
like
it's
like.
If
your
affordable
units
have
these
mini,
you
know
kitchenettes
and
your
other
units
had
full
kitchens,
that's
problematic
for
HUD,
but
if
every
unit
in
the
complex
has
a
microwave
a
sink
and
a
refrigerator
they're.
Okay
with
that,
was
what
I
read
through
the
through
the
regs
of
how
you.
F
Qualified
everyone.
F
Any
more
grants
to
any
units
if
they
actually
are
can't
be
good
forwarding
with
the
head
regulations,
because.
M
M
H
M
Us
kind
of
circling
around
specific
to
micro
units.
Again,
you
know
these
bigger
policy
changes
around
Luigi
and
voucher
acceptance
or
significant
need
to
be
dealt
with.
What
I
hear
a
circling
around
again
and
again
on
the
micro
units?
Is
you
know
where?
How
do
we
treat
them
from
an
affordability
standpoint?
So
again
do
do
we
apply
a
lower
rent
standards.
M
So
there's
a
rent,
standard
or
affordability,
question:
there's
the
you
know:
do
we
prorate
the
subsidy
by
size
because
we
feel
like
somehow
the
construction
cost
reimbursement
that's
needed
is
lower
and
then
this
sort
of
the
marketability
question
are
there
enough?
Are
there
enough
folks
who
who
need
this
type
of
affordable
housing
to
to
lease
up
the
volume
that
we're
talking
about
subsidizing
so
and.
M
M
E
M
Point
of
okay:
we
have
X
number
of
units
that
were
providing
subsidy
for.
Are
we?
Are
we
saturating
that
portion
of
the
market
and
ends
up
doing
committing
our
subsidy
dollars
to
sort
of
one
part
of
the
one?
One
specific
demographic
within
the
universe
of
the
folks
in
our
community
that
need
affordable
housing
to
the
expense
of
it?
So
that's
to.
E
M
K
It's
I
like
to
put
this
in
preference
because,
like
first
of
all,
I,
don't
think
we
should
I.
Don't
even
I
really
don't
understand!
Why
we're
talking
about
this,
because
our
housing
costs
are
on
a
run.
It's
a
runaway
train
right,
I,
just
finished
a
768
square
foot
house
in
town,
it's
going
to
Habitat
Humanity
that
appraised.
E
K
Something
thousand
dollars
768
square
feet,
Housing
Trust
web
applications-
we
have,
we
have
the
surround
that
came
in
the
average
unit
cost
was
200,
was
between
270
296
000
per
unit,
so
housing
costs
run
away,
training
and
say
for
us
like
to
be
talking
about
policy
that
discourages
anytime
in
housing.
I
think
is
like
so
antibiotics
needed
and
that's
why
I
think
I'm
so
popular.
K
K
A
I
think
I
mean
I
understand
that
I
would
not
support
a
moratorium
for
reasons,
because
you
know
honestly
I
think
the
threshold
question
is
it's.
You
know.
Is
this
going
to
instant
advised
housing
we
built
here
and
then
I
do
think
it's
really
important
that
we
try
to
focus
on
what's
really
needed
here
and
things
talking
about.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
demand
for
this,
and
we
also
really
need
to
look
at
the
all
the
issues
that
we've
been
discussing?
A
A
Public's
money
to
do
the
things
that
the
market
won't
do
otherwise,
one
of
the
things
we
know
it's
not
happening
here
is
vouchers
and
we
know
there's
more
Federal.
You
know,
therefore,
is
if
we
can
address
that
problem.
So
there's
lots
of
reasons,
the
area
that
we
do
need
to
talk
about
that
stuff,
even
though
it's
frustrating
and.
H
A
There's
a
need
for
it,
I
think
yeah
I
think
it's
about
that
and
you
have
stats
from
the
house,
so
I
I
want
to.
If
you
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
it
because
I
you
know,
I,
don't
know
whether
we
should
take
whether
develop
or
anything.
Thank
you
for
coming
here
how
to
prepare
to
talking
about
some
sharing
details.
If.
L
A
A
The
policy
we
have
in
place
has
a
lot
of
Mustang,
which
doesn't
have
a
bus
language
on
vouchers,
but
it
has
a
lot
of
Mustang
instruments
addressing
affordable
housing,
I
think
in
a
decent
way,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to
just
freeze
it
and
say
it's
all
back.
We
need
to
try
to
improve
it.
That's
the
time.
G
Can
I
add
a
piece
of
information
so,
while
we've
been
having
this
discussion
first.
E
G
But
above
that
it
gets
me-
and
this
is
somebody
who
actually
did
10
on
their
own
without
any
subsidy
years
ago,
and
they
just
the
math,
isn't
working
anymore
Kate
pet
from
Thrive
is
watching
and
she
sent
a
message
and
and
I
just
want
to
share
this
information.
G
G
So,
and
she
said
they
just
met
with
hakka
yesterday
and
there's
there's
some
complexities
that
aren't
apparent.
There
always
is
in
anything
right
like
there's
some
things
that
we
don't
all
understand
about
what
why
it
takes.
It
can
take
longer
to
get
someone
in
a
unit
but-
and
she
said,
could
Thrive
be
a
presenter
on
this
topic
at
the
upcoming
meeting.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with.
G
Another
piece
of
information:
it
sounds
like
I,
won't
presume
for
David,
but
maybe
there
isn't
this
Rush
that
it
has
to
be.
We
were
trying
to
make
sure
that
it
when
somebody
applies
for
something
we
try
to
get
them
through
the
process.
David
applied
back
in
October,
so
we
were
kind
of
committing
to
him
that
we
would
be
done
in
April
or
May
with
this
issue.
G
D
G
E
D
Need
this
we
in
order
to
get
other
Banks
or
other
funding
on
a
piece
of
paper,
because
a
lot
of
times
they
want
to
know
what
else
have
you
got
in
line
before
you
do
this,
so
is
that
is
that
a
consideration
also.
D
M
So
I
would
say:
I
don't
hear
any
of
us
who
are
wouldn't
prefer.
To
put
you
know,
a
micro
unit
recommendation
into
oh,
the
overall
revision
recognition
of
your
business
beliefs
that
are
coming
if
it's
not
time
sensitive-
and
you
know
I'd
love
to
have
that
guidance
from
ACD
to
know
like
you
know,
because
I
feel,
like
we've
been
to
some
degree,
we've
been
postponing
the
work
around
the
overall,
the
weed
problem
see
or
at
least
discussing
it
in
a
very
unstructured
fashion,
trying
to
get
to
a
decision
about.
M
You
know
time
sensitive
requests
for
a
decision
about
micro
units.
So
if
we
could
have
that
guidance
from
hcd
and
possibly
from
our
Council
to
gaison,
if
she's
still
on
the
on
the
line
and
able
to
to
provide
us
some
guidance
that
you
know
that
would
be
you
know
we
could.
We
could
move
this
discussion
and
and
then
pick
up
the
conversation
with
micro
units
in
the
overall.
You
know
planets
in
our
work
line
around
the
Luigi
policy.
P
P
A
little
bit,
it's
I
mean
always
tying
it
together
with
the
overall
policy.
It's
a
little.
It's
not
completely
the
same
thing,
but
I
don't
have
any
particular
time
pressure
at
the
moment.
To
be
honest,.
K
E
E
K
Micro
units
are
willing
or
willing
to
a
group.
You
know
commit
commit
to
terms
of
which
religion
policy
that
we
supported
I,
mean
I,
mean
that's
kind
of
what
it's
kind
of
what
I
I.
Don't
think
that
without
seeing
the
language
in
front
of
me,
it
seems
like
if
what
they're
being
asked
from
us
is
ACD
is
asking
us.
What
do
you
think
about
microfenas,
we're
saying
well,
if
they're,
following
the
terms
of
the
policy
and
they're
following
the
concept
that
the
units
shall
be
provided,
then
we
think
this?
K
We
we're
not
we're
not
being
asked
to
support
an
application
right.
We're
reading
us
our
thoughts
on
the
wings
in
trying
to
think
of
the
word
like
everywhere.
If
there's
support
for
the
support
for
emotion,
for
that
saying,
hey
we,
you
know
we
we
we've
been
asked
for
guidance.
We've
been
asked
from
ACD
for
our
thoughts
on
my
ingredients.
We
support
Louise
using
micro
units
as
long
as
the
vouchers
are,
the
the
project
is
committing
to
the
use
of
vouchers.
J
F
Us
to
make
a
recommendation
that
you
have
to
have
the
verbiage
and
so
you're
really
saying
that
an
ACD
has
to
create
the
verbiage
along
with
the
developer
outside
and
when
we
revise
the
policy,
because
it's
a
contract
that
has
to
get
written
that
that
it's
not
just
a
changing
o
word
in
the
current
policy.
And
then
you
still
have
the
issues
that
Andy
was
just
talking
about
a
moment
ago
about
the
scaling
of
the
of
the
right.
E
F
D
It
I
think
that
we
need
to
ask
HCG
if
we
can
continue
I,
don't
think
from
from
my
perspective,
I,
don't
think
we're
certain
about
anything
right
now
and
we
need
to
I
know.
We've
talked
about
it
once
upon,
but
he
said
he
isn't
not
in
a
big
hurry
and
if
we,
that
pressure
is
off
I,
think
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
need
to
get
straight
before
we
go
further
and
and.
G
C
Sorry
so
can
I
just
ask
a
clarifying
question:
we've
had
some
discussions
about
scaling
the
grant
unit
size
so
in
the
current
setup.
That
is
the
basis
for
for
the
grant.
What.
G
Is
the
basis,
so
the
basis
is
basically
the
tax
evaluation
or
the
tax
valuation
that
the
county
does?
Okay,
so
you
know
the
developer
estimates.
We
get
an
estimate
of
how
much
that
value
is
going
to
be
so
in
this
case
I
believe
it's
I,
don't
remember
if
it's
20,
so
let's
just
take
it
hypothetical,
it's
25
million,
and
then
we
calculate
what
the
city
taxes
are
going
to
be.
G
On
that
improved
value,
we
estimate
what
we
think
the
grant
will
be
at
the
end
of
the
day,
once
it's
built,
then
the
the
Buncombe
County
tax
department
values
it
as
evaluation,
and
we
use
that
so
one
project
in
downtown
the
estimated
Grant
was
going
to
be
50
000
a
year.
The
value
of
the
actual
building
ended
up
being
lower,
so
the
taxes
are
actually
forty
thousand
a
year
and
so
we're
only
paying
40
000
a
year.
Now,
if
his
taxes
go
up
to
50
or
60,
we
can
pay
up
to
that.
G
G
Resistance
to
that
on
the
part
of
Staff,
because
you
know
think
about
our
finance
department,
their
job
is
to
make
sure
we
can
pay
for
all
the
services
in
all
the
things
and
all
the
staff
and
all
the
benefits
and
everything
that
happens
in
a
big
organization.
And
if
we're
promising
to
pay
your
taxes
as
they
go
up
over
time.
We
have
no
idea
how
to
even
estimate
that
and
how
to.
How
do
we
predict
how
much
money
we're
going
to
have.
I
G
I
D
We've
talked
about
I
think
we
really
need
to
think
about
how
the
whole
Louis
policy
and
we
want
to
have
Cape
pet
from
Thrive,
come
in
more
information
about
the
process
or
if
we
want
to
investigate
some
of
these
other
things
that
we
talked
about
today,
inflation
was
was
one
of
them.
D
That
kind
of
thing,
and
so
talk,
maybe
get
Janice
and
talk
to
her
I
mean
we
could
have
some
mini
sessions
next
thing
to
try
to
I'm,
not
saying
we
can
get
it
all
done
and
buy
next
month,
but
I'm
saying
we
have
two
or
three
little
things
that
we
specifically
want
to
know
come
in.
Let's
address
this
next
month
and
try
to
get
a
better
field.
M
M
We
need
to
take
a
vote
on
the
recommendations
that
we
were
submitted
today,
based
on
this
discussion
or
roll
it
into
you
know
or
decide
to
table
it
until
we
take
up
the
whole
policy
because
we
have
a,
we
have
a
process
lined
out
in
our
work
plan.
I'm.
Sorry,
this
is
my
new
rules,
but
you
know
we
have
a
process
lined
up
in
the
work
plan
to
balance
Community
input
around
what
our
public
good
is
in
creating
housing
and
input
from
developers
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
you
know
letting
perfect,
be
the
enemy.
M
L
D
So
should
we
just
by
show
hands,
go
with
either
going
with
the
draft
that
we
have
up
on
our
screens,
which
was
what
we
determined
last
month
or
what
we
had
come
out
of
last
month's
meeting
or
to
go
to
show
hands
for
those
that
support,
waiting
and
doing
the
whole
wage
policy
and
with
the
work
plan
and
getting
deeply
into
that
I'm.
M
This
allows
for
so
there's
a
there's,
a.
M
There's
an
option
in
this
for
HED
and
Council
to
improve
Luigi
Decisions
by
requesting
that
developers
address
the
committee's
concerns
that
are
online
here
right,
so
they
we
either.
This.
M
E
M
That's
the
draft
language
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
today
to
vote
on.
Is
you
know
it's
not
a
moratorium,
but
it
says
you
know
you
know
we
have
concerns
about
this
and
you
either
need
to
you
know,
postpone
a
decision
on
awarding
funding
or
address
these
concerns
for
due
diligence
in
making
the
money
so
we're
the
the
two
options
now
kind
of
that
Margie
just
laid
out
would
be.
M
O
M
F
K
The
choice
could
we,
you
may
assume,
and
this
motion
at
the
bottom
that's
kind
of
what
it
says.
It's
like
we
wanted
to
take
care
of
the
policy
and
then
the
wording.
In
the
meantime,
we
suggest
the
city.
We
want
to
defer
what
about
I
mean
what
about
if
we
buy
that
thing
like
ahac,
recommends
developing
my
community
policy
recommendations
is
part
of
our
world
Community
policy,
which
is
scheduled
November.
In
the
meantime,
we
support
Luigi
applications
for
micro
units.
If
the
applicants
agree
to
it
set
aside.
K
E
F
It's
like
you're
you're,
just
saying
that
issue
is
a
sort
of
Paramount,
yeah
and
and
I
think
for
for
me
to
be
comfortable
with
that.
You
need
to
see
the
language
because
I
think
it's
the
same
problem
we've
had
with
the
old
Luigi
policy
when
you
really
got
down
to
it
the
way
it
got
written
sure
you
could
drive
a
truck
through
these
things
and
not
have
any
applicants
and
still
be
trying
to
think.
K
H
F
It
to
we
encourage
ACD
to
consider
applications
for
applicants
that
have
addressed
these
conservatives.
I
mean
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
we're
trying
to
say
that
it's
a
more
touring
or
they
shouldn't
do
it,
but
they
want
to
do
it.
They
need
to
recognize.
We
have
flaws
in
the
process
now
in
that
they
should
address.
We
shouldn't
continue
to
do
more
applications
unless.
M
Read
ahac
recommends
developing
micro,
housing
policy
recommendations,
part
of
the
overall
review
of
luige
policy,
which
is
scheduled
to
be
completed
in
November.
In
the
meantime,
we
suggest
Council
may
want
to
defer
Luigi's
decisions
for
micro
housing
or
have
developers
fully
address
all
of
the
committee's
concerns
and
agree
to
setting
aside
at
least
50
of
the
affordable
units
for
voucher
holders.
M
E
M
One
question:
it
already
says:
David
to
defer
Louise
decisions
for
micro
housing
or
have
developers
fully
address.
N
So
to
badge
this
question
a
moment
ago
about
the
criteria
for
Luigi
right
now,
it's
valuation,
so
valuation,
presumably
is
agnostic,
objective
on
the
type
of
housing
that
it
is
so
I
I'm
not
I'm,
personally,
not
comfortable,
isolating
one
type
of
housing
versus
another
and
I.
Guess
in
the
discussion
of
you
know,
micro
units
I
mean
it's
it's
a
housing
unit.
It's
an
increment
of
value.
N
I
think
that's
the
discussion
that
we're
having
on
the
the
increment
of
the
proportionality
of
it,
but
singling
out
one
type
of
housing
versus
another
that
just
doesn't
make
sense
from
a
objectivity.
Standpoint,
yeah.
M
M
Must
meet
the
affordability
standard
set
by
the
city
of
Asheville
for
households,
earning
80
or
less
the
area,
median
income,
which
would
include
at
least
50
percent
of
the
units
accepting
rental
assistance
like
housing,
tourist
vouchers?
The
developer
must
demonstrate
good
faith
efforts
if
the
50
of
affordable
units
are
not
printed
to
housing,
Choice
voucher
holders
right
so
that
language
is
already
there
say.
The
intent
of
this
is
to
is
for
those
units,
half
of
the
units
that
are
receiving
the
affordable
ability.
Subsidy
are
rented
to
voucher
holders.
M
Otherwise
you
need
to
tell
us,
you
know
good
faith,
evidence
why
they're
not
in
in
the
enforcement
provisions
of
the
contract,
so
I
don't
really
think
we're
singling
out
a
particular
type
of
unit.
We
are
clarifying
the
language
and
the
intent
of
the
policy
for
one
type
of
unit
slightly
in
advance
of
full
policy
revision
as
an
option
for
Council
versus
deferring
action
on
those
specifically
so
I
I
feel
like
there's
enough
ways
to
back
out
of
that
that
we're
not
creating
an
undue
burden
for
one
type
of
universe
and.
M
P
P
P
Aren't
you
recommending
you're
just
recommending
the
policy
for
micro
housing?
So
does
that
mean
my
project
will
go
to
HED
the
next
meeting,
because
I'd
prefer
to
get
this
over
with
one
way
or
another
honestly,
because
it's
it
was
in
October
and
now
it's
like
I'm,
being
sort
of
Frankenstein
to
the
policy
review
and
I'm,
not
sure.
That's
really
fair
to
my
application.
I,
don't
mind
that
you
can
have
a
specific
request
for
my
project,
but
I.
Don't
I,
don't
really
want
to
wait
till
November
and
have
the
policy
change
under
my
feet.
E
M
It
doesn't
change
that
much
so.
The
motion
is
ahac,
recommends
developing
micro
housing
policy
recommendations
as
part
of
our
overall
review
of
luige
policy,
which
is
scheduled
to
be
completed
in
November.
In
the
meantime,
we
suggest
that
the
city
may
want
to
defer
Louise
decisions
for
micro
housing
or
have
developers
fully
address
all
of
the
committee's
concerns
which
are
laid
out
in
the
document
above
and
commit
to
reserving
50
percent
of
the
affordable
units
for
voucher
holders.
J
E
F
A
K
I
think
this
is
good.
Okay,
very
good,
as
for
a
word
like
I
would
put
the
word
or
as
technical,
but
since
we're
making
and
shouting
after
it
says
or
have
like
all
or
alternatively,
have
because
what.
E
F
L
Developer
would
provide
to
whichever
agency
is
providing
the
voucher
that
says
that
they
use
that
the
developer
is
providing
does
mean
thousand
quality
standards
of
that
voucher
agency
as
part
of
our
application.
Quickest.
F
F
F
Some
changes
because
of
that
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
get
into
a
connector
later
on.
D
F
F
You
know
down
below
80.,
so
I
would
think
you
want
to
make
sure
you
understood.
People
need
to
understand
these
things
before
they
get
into
making
a
promise.
M
Going
to
have
to
be
determined
on
a
project
by
project
basis,
because
it
depends
on
whether
the
units
classify
under
Hood's
efficiency
standards
for
their
SRO
standards
and
we
don't
review
individual
projects
and
so
I
think
the
rental
standard
has
to
follow.
The
determination
of
you
know
what
type
of
unit.
M
G
M
D
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
other
public
comment.
Okay,
I'm
gonna,
take
a
vote.
All
those
in
favor
aye,
all
right
almost
posed.
D
D
Yeah,
well,
that's
true!
So
we
have
updates
and
reports
next
on
the
agenda
and
that
is
in
your
pocket.
D
Do
you
is
there
anything
that,
since
we
are
running
close
on
time,
that
you
feel
like
in
your
updates
that
are
as
critical
more
than
the
other
like?
Let's
see
middle
study
update
or
you
want
to
talk
about,
we
want.
We
need
to
talk
about
work.
K
Did
y'all
see
the
319
billboard
thing
that
happened
yesterday,
yeah
planning
department,
the
planning,
but
we're
shutting
down,
said
well,
they
deferred
it
and
saying
they
had
the
application.
They
basically
didn't
like
the
way
it
looked.
Planning
order
said
that
319
billboard
looked
too
Suburban
in
an
urban
environment
and
I
thought
they
should
do
better.
So
they
said
that
just.
G
Yeah
and
just
to
clarify
what
that
really
is
about
is,
if
you
think
of
the
site,
you
know
the
John
Walker
way
coming
up
from
billboard.
There's
a
group
substantial
grade
change
so
and
they
have
parking.
Their
parking
ratio
is
just
a
little
bit
over
one
per
unit,
so
they
have
like
221
units
and
256
parking
spaces.
G
So
if
you,
if
you
go
too
low
on
parking,
financers,
don't
like
it,
and
so
they
have
parking
structured
parking
on
the
bottom
floor
of
the
two
buildings
and
then
a
small,
not
small,
surface
parking
behind
you.
Okay,
for
me,
talking
Chris,
okay,
okay,.
G
H
G
Seeing
the
parking
deck
and
it
kind
of
starts
to
disappear
in
the
hill
as
you
go
up,
and
that's
that's
really
the
big
objection
around
the
activation.
They
also
had
concerns
around
pedestrian
Crossing
of
John
Walker,
which
I
think
is
doable
what
else
the
chair
kept
talking
about
the
widening
of
Biltmore
Avenue,
there's
supposed
to
be
a
left
turn
signal
there
and
you
can't
just
yeah
that.
H
G
Widening
but
it's
not
the
entire
Corridor,
it's
just
around
that
site
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
what
else
they.
G
G
E
K
K
Everyone
aware
that
planning
and
planning
pretty
much
was
rather
than
go
to
a
road.
They
I
think
they
had
to
take
a
break,
they
got
it
pretty
heated,
they
had
to
take
a
break,
and
basically
so
it's
pulling
up,
let's
the
furthest,
rather
than
the
dedicated
to
a
vote,
but
it's
like
that
also
just
means.
What's
another
month.
D
So
next
we've
got
our
Housing
Trust
Fund
requests,
work
plan
and
Department.
E
G
Our
Housing
Trust
Fund
cycle
in
the
document
I
put
in
my
pull
it
up.
If
you
want
the,
we
had
five
applications
that
were
deemed
eligible,
Council
voted
full
approval
of
four
of
them
and
then
the
fifth
one
is
on
City
owned
property,
so
we're
working
further
the
developer
now
so
a
total
of
for
all
five.
It's
around
5.2.
E
G
G
E
G
Getting
close
to
issuing
the
RFP,
even
the
mobile
housing
plan,
the
cdbg
approval
will
be
at
city
council
on
the
9th
I
believe
and
I
said
I
stuck
in
here
in
these
updates.
If
you,
if
you're
interested
in
all
the
bills
that
are
in
the
legislature
right,
that's
really
interesting.
The
Planning
Association
track
I
mean
a
lot
of
associations
track
legislation
since
I'm
a
planner
I
stuck
in
the
planning,
you
know
sort
of
tracking
them
summer
housing.
G
G
N
Yeah,
actually,
following
immediately
on
state
bills,
I'll
just
make
a
quick
note
that
in
House
Bill
488,
which
is
Code
Council
reorgan
various
code
amendments.
It
sounds
like
the
most
boring
thing
in
the
world.
There
is
actually
a
section
in
there
that
proposes
allowing
three
and
four
unit
buildings
to
be
reviews
under.
N
Under
Residential
Building
Code
versus
the
uploading
code
or
commercial
code-
and
that
was
a
very
interesting
example
that
was
brought
up
by
opticost,
the
Consultants
that
are
working
on
the
missing
mental
housing
study
as
a
sort
of
a
critical
element.
In
addition
to
any
potential
zoning
reform,
supporting
that
that's
very
often
the
case
that
can
be
kind
of
a
go
no-go
decision
on
building
a
Triplex
or
a
quad
Plex
semi-affordably
under
Residential,
Building,
Code.
N
E
N
Very
preliminary,
but
should
be
interesting.
Just
a
quick
scan
of
the
working
group,
90
of
us
are
homeowners.
Ten
percent
of
us
are
renters
at
one
point,
though.
Ninety
percent
of
us
have
had
a
roommate
or
a
multi-family
housing
situation
and
10
of
us
had
nuts.
Interestingly,
the
city
is
right
about
50
50
owner
rentership,
at
least
per
census
numbers,
and
otherwise
you
know
very
early
on,
but
yeah
just
quickly,
noting
House
Bill
488.
There
is
that
provision
in
there,
which
may
or
may
not
come
to
fruition.
O
O
There's
a
City
website.
If
anybody
wants
to
take
a
look
at
that
for
more
information.
I
D
So
I
know
the
build
task
force.
Is
we've
had
a
lot
of
things
going
on
lately
with
the
changing
in
leadership
stuff
like
that,
so
we
did
meet.
But
again
we
are
trying
to.
We
want
to
add
more
people
to
our
build
group
and
so
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
put
out
to
the
group
here.
If
you,
if
you're,
not
on
the
connect
group
and
you're
not
associated
with
any
either
one,
please
think
about.
D
If
you
would
like
to
be
on
the
build
group,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
members
and
I
think
it
would
be
advantageous
for
us
to
get
some
more
of
folks
that
that,
if
you
have
some
interest
in
the
build
part,
but
we
also
got
to
get
together
a
list
of
people
who
are
going
to
start
inviting
to
our
our
meetings
and
Ryan
asked
you
to
take
a
look
at
helping
get
people
coming
to
our
into
our
build
room
s.
M
So
the
connect
group
met
this
past
month.
We
are,
we
heard
kind
of
an
impromptu
update
on
how
the
Thrive
Asheville
research
project
into
how
public
asked
public
investments
in
affordable
housing
have
been
used
and
who
the
manufacturers
have
been,
and
it
sounds
like
they're
making
some
some
progress
on
the
data
collection,
part
of
that
work,
so
that
was.
E
M
I
will
get
them
in
here
they're
ready
to
share
that
piece,
the
rest
of
this
this
update
and
then
we
are
getting
very
close
to
finalizing
a
set
of
questions
and
folks
that
we
want
to
reach
out
to
for
Community
engagement
around
the
community
benefits
for
our
incentive
programs.
So
things
like
Luigi
things
like
Hazard
trust
fund
that
are
in
our
work
plan
to
look
at
you
know
having.
E
E
M
E
M
To
see
that
moving
forward
and
I'm
gonna
I'll
make
the
same
page,
that
Margie
did
if
you're
not
affiliated
with
one
of
our
two
working
working
groups,
task
forces.
It's
a
really
great
way
to
get
work
done
between
these
two
meetings
and
make
sure
our
monthly
meetings
and
make
sure
that
we,
our
our
moving
our
work
plan
task
forward.
D
So
Sasha
do
you
have
any
other.
D
D
So
most
of
them
were
built
in
1950.
D
So
but
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
that
we've
got
to
to
think
about
for
our
future
agenda
items
and
our
work
plan
and
we're
working
on
Andy
and
I
are
trying
to
get
something.
So
we
have
a
very.
D
Routinized
agenda
so
that
we
know
we're
going
to
have
a
reporting
on
the
work
plan,
we're
going
to
reporting
on
you,
know
the
wage
policy
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
we
don't
go
too
far
as
from
stray.
We
can
actually
get
our
work
done
through
this
meeting,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
thing
out.
We
have
an
online
seminar,
Insight
formation,
Incorporated
Beyond
zoning
and
that's
on
May
10th
and
there's.
H
D
N
I'll
I'll
just
make
a
quick
follow
on
just
seeing
that
there
is
a
presentation
on
Accessory
dwelling
units
I'll
actually
be
giving
the
presentation
all
about
zoning
for
accessory
dwelling
units
on
I
believe
May
11th
on
the
North
Carolina
American
planning
association's
website.
It's
currently
listed,
it's
Friday,
May
12th
I'll
need
to
check
with
the
organizer
on
that
I'm
scheduled
on
the
11th
from
noon
to
1
30
Via
Zoom,
it's
free.
The
working
title
is
all
about
adus.
N
D
Okay,
so
I
opened
it
up
for
do
we
have
anybody
on
the
line
that
wants
to
do
a
public
comment
or
hear
in
person.
Q
Hello,
my
name
is
Chaka
Khan,
Gordon
and
I
am
a
housing,
Choice
advisor
holder
and
I'm
here,
because
I
feel
like
I
need
to
get
more
involved
in
the
conversation
around
affordable
housing
here,
because
this
is
the
worst
place.
I've
ever
lived.
So
if
I'm
in
housing
and
definitely
to
find
quality
housing,
you
find
housing
and
it's
like
you
live
with
all
your
neighbors,
because
you
can
hear
everything
they're
doing
and
I
really
think.
Q
We
all
know
this,
isn't
a
voucher
friendly
region,
so
I've
been
trying
to
find
a
three
bedroom
that
I
can
afford
that's
decent
for
about
four
years
and
so
we're
under
housed
we're
in
a
two
bedroom.
It's
owned
by
Mountain
housing
opportunities
and
managed
by
partnership.
Q
Property,
Management,
I
think
what
other
things
you
all
need
to
think
about
and
I
don't
know
how
much
to
do,
because
it's
my
first
meeting
but
I'm
listening
to
how
you're
talking
about
the
micro
units,
one
of
the
things,
maybe
you
need
to
think
about
more,
is
and
prioritize.
Q
More
is
how
developers
and
companies
might
come
in
and
say,
they're
going
to
do
a
thing,
but
when
it's
time
for
people
to
actually
move
into
these
apartments,
they
can't
so
my
situation,
I
just
got
lucky
that
I
had
a
site
manager
who
worked
for
partnership.
Property
Management,
who
wasn't
willing
to
be
bullied
by
her
property
manager.
Q
I
was
moving
out.
I
had
taken
a
three-bedroom
voucher,
couldn't
find
a
place.
I.
Think
I
was
on
my
third
one
when
I
took
a
double
wide
in
Alexander
and
it
turned
out
that
he
was
a
complete
slumlord
and
I
wasn't
willing
to
stay
there
after
that,
but
finding
someplace
else
to
move.
That
was
also
a
three-bedroom,
not
possible.
Q
So
we
still
don't
have
a
three
bedroom
years
later
right
now,
in
order
to
find
a
three
bedroom,
you
know
you
need
at
least
the
rents
are
like
two
thousand
and
more,
but
my
voucher
doesn't
go
up
to
two
thousand
dollars.
The
only
way
it's
going
to
go
over
the
two
thousand
dollar
threshold
is,
if
it
includes
utilities,
and
these
apartments
don't
include
utilities,
so
it
has
to
be
1900
or
less
for
me
to
get
a
19
three
bedroom
and
there
basically
aren't
any
of
those
available,
definitely
not
ones
available.
Q
That
are
my
standard
and
then
also
take
a
housing
Choice
voucher.
Basically,
no
one
will
work
with
a
housing,
Choice
voucher
and
that's
what
I'm
dealing
with
I
reached
out
to
thrive,
because
someone
told
me
actually
a
Thrive
employee
told
me
they
could.
They
could
help
me
and
then
it
became
we
can't.
We
actually
can't
help
you,
because
you
don't
live
in
what
used
to
be
called
public
housing.
You
actually
have
a
voucher
and
you're
trying
to
move
from
one
like
privately
owned
place
to
another
privately
owned
place.
Q
We
can't
do
anything
for
you
so
like
these
options
that
are
presented
as
options
are
not
even
really
options.
If
you
have
a
housing,
Choice
voucher
here,
when
I
got
my
apartment,
it
was
just
a
two
bedroom
right
now
they
wouldn't
they
almost
denied
me
because
by
rules
I
have
to
give
30-day
notice
to
move
on
a
voucher,
and
they
said
that
was
too
long
for
that
apartment
to
be
sitting
empty,
so
I
almost
got
denied,
but
my
site
manager
was
like
I'm.
Q
Has
to
they
had
no
one
on
a
voucher
at
the
time
on
that
property
when
I
moved
it,
and
she
said
this
is
the
voucher
rule.
We
take
vouchers.
We
can't
just
deny
her
this
apartment,
so
she
fought
for
me.
She
no
longer
works
there.
She
quit
because
you
know
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
they're
forcing
people
to
do
so.
Q
I
appreciated
that
she
fought
for
me
and
I'm.
Also
under
housed,
I've
got
two
teenagers
and
a
very
small
two-bedroom
apartment
and
and
we
need
to
move,
and
we
can't
find
any
place
to
move
with
this
housing
Choice
voucher,
so
that
you're
here
and
I
just
wanted
you
all
to
know
that,
like
it's,
a
really
crappy
situation,
I've
been
trying
to
find
a
good
place
for
four
years.