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C
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
these
meetings
virtually
in
case
there
are
any
technical
difficulties.
We
are
streaming
live
on,
the
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website
and
also
on
stacy's
committee
page,
and
we
also
have
the
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
telephone.
C
So
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
I'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
if
you
could
just
unmute
yourself
and
say
hello.
That
will
be
our
roll
call
for
today's
committee
meeting.
D
F
C
C
I'm
here
awesome,
hey
man
all
right,
and
then
we
also
have
staff
members
from
the
sustainability
office,
bridget
herring
and
kyra
bulin
thanks
for
joining
us
all
right
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
roll
call
for
each
vote.
If
we
have
any,
I
don't
even
think
we
have
any
votes
today,
but
additionally,
as
we
move
through
presentations
today,
if
you
have
any
questions,
please
hold
those
for
the
end
of
each
presentation
and
you
can
use
the
raise
hand
button.
C
E
C
And
seconded
and
now
we
do
have
a
vote
actually,
so
here
we
go.
We
always
have
something
to
vote
on
so
to
approve
just
say:
yay
or
nay,
I'm
gonna
do
go
down
the
list:
ann
yay,
kim
yay,
maggie
yay,
tim
yay,
michael.
D
C
F
C
Steve
yay,
allison,
yeah
and
myself
is
also
a
yay.
Thank
you
all
right.
I
have
not
gotten
any
notice
about
public
comments
yet,
but
if
we
get
some,
I
will
read
those
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
so
that
was
second
on
the
agenda.
Third
on
the
agenda
is
updates
and
the
first
update
is
the
working
group
updates.
So
our
first
working
group
on
the
agenda
is
the
climate
resilience
group.
C
We
have
ann
on
for
giving
this
update,
but
I'm
gonna
actually
do
the
update
today
and
essentially,
we
actually
met
yesterday
and
we
met
with
aecom,
who
is
the
subcontractor
helping
us
develop
the
municipal
climate
action
plan
and
we
essentially
met
with
them
and
discussed
prioritization
factors
in
order
to
help
the
city
figure
out
how
to
rank
actionable
items
to
help
us
move
forward
with
our
climate
action
and
all
the
resolutions
that
are
hanging
out
there,
and
we
had
some
pretty
pretty
hard
feedback
for
aecom,
and
so
I
think
we're
going
to
meet
again
pretty
soon
and
hopefully
we
can
get
the
ship
moved
into
a
new
direction
so
that
we
are
all
on
the
same
page.
C
As
far
as
what
the
m
cap
looks
like
all
right,
michael,
you
got
a
question.
D
Okay,
can
other
members
that
aren't
on
the
subcommittee
join
in
that
meeting
or
how
does
that
work.
C
So
I
think
you
have
to
have
less
than
four
stacy
members
in
attendance
in
order
for
it
not
to
be
considered
a
quorum
and
if
it
is
a
quorum
so
more
than
four
members,
then
we
have
to
have
call
it
as
a
an
official
cc
meeting.
We
have
to
do
public
notifications
and
public
comment
and
all
the
rigmarole.
So
unfortunately,
we
already
have
four
cc
members
myself
and
tim
and
kim
who
are
participating
in
that.
D
C
That's
fine!
That's
fine!
Thank
you
for
good
questions.
Currently,
we
we
just
had
them
meeting
with
the
climate
group
only
and
then
we
were
gonna
kind
of
come
to
you
all.
Once
more
work
had
been
solidified
we're,
certainly
not
at
that
point
yet
to
to
really
report
out
any
new
information.
C
D
Right
and
I
guess
the
question
is:
how
early
can
we
provide
input
or
feedback
since
having
seen
so
many
ecom
reports
over
the
decades,
they
too
many
of
them
do
cut
and
paste,
and
you
don't
get
exactly
what
is
required
for
your
locality,
which
it
sounds
like
you
addressed
in
this
last
conversation
with
them,
but
given
there's
so
much,
that's
happened
just
in
the
last
24
months
on
both
what
other
cities
and
counties
have
done.
A
C
Yeah
we're
still
in
the
preliminary
what
makes
something
a
priority.
What
are
the
key
indicators
that
make
something
a
pretty
so
so
in
the
very
green
stages
of
this?
Okay,
so
thank
you,
but
we
can
certainly
share
any
materials
that
we
come
up
with
throughout
the
process
and
get
your
feedback
that
way
as
well
and
anybody
else
on
the
board
who's
interested
in
that,
please
let
me
know-
and
we
can
certainly
share
that
with
with
anyone
willing
and
available.
C
Are
there
any
other
questions
about
the
mcapp
and
the
process
or
any
other?
Maybe
working
group
committee
members
that
want
to
give
an
update
from
their
perspective.
C
I
I'd
be
happy
to
so,
since
our
last
meeting
in
march
april
was
food
waste
reduction
month.
So
there
were
actions
happening
in
lots
of
places
to
reduce
food
waste.
I'll
just
give
a
little
shout
out
to
the
city
drop-off
composting
sites,
which
are
going
very
well,
and
there
was
lots
of
kind
of
media
and
action
about
about
food
waste
reduction
and
also
our
subcommittee
did
meet
with
anna
and
hartwell
from
mountain.
I
True
about
the
the
plastic
reduction
efforts,
so
we'll
be
hearing
more
about
that
later,
but
just
so
that
everybody
knows
we
did
meet
with
that
group
and
provided
some
feedback.
I
J
Yeah,
sorry,
I'm
having
a
child
care
crisis
today,
so
presenting
is
a
little
bit
challenging.
However,
yeah
I'd
like
to
just
mention
that
the
food
food
waste
solutions,
both
kiara
and
I
were
working
with
foodway
solutions
to
run
the
food
waste
reduction
month
campaign
on
instagram,
which
engaged
I
don't
know
over
3
000
different
accounts
and
had
a
lot
of
good
engagement
over
throughout
the
month.
J
Work
different
workshops
that
are
available
best
practices
for
composting
at
home
and
tips
for
reducing
food
waste,
and
we
just
had
a
lot
of
good
interaction
with
community
members
and
then
we
helped
plan
an
end
of
month,
event
called
taste,
it
don't
waste
it,
which
was
held
at
wicked
weed
west
and
featured
four
local
chefs
who
created
dishes
using
food
that
otherwise
would
have
been
thrown
away
or
composted,
and-
and
that
was
a
that
was
a
really
big
success
and
I
think
it
was.
J
It
was
really
great
overall
and
I
think
we're
going
to
build
on
it.
You
know
year
after
year,
hopefully,
and
have
it
really
grow
and
so
far
I'd
say
it
was
a
success
I
wish
kira
could
chime
in
because
she
she
did
a
lot
of
great
work
for
it
as
well
so
yeah.
And
if
anybody
wants
any
more
information
about
it,
just
feel
free
to
shoot
me
an
email
or
something.
B
I'm
happy
to
chime
in
and
as
much
as
to
say,
maggie
has
done
excellent
work
on
this
campaign
and
I
agree.
It's
been
a
great
success
and
allison
to
your
point.
We
did
go
to
the
re-fed
food
waste
solutions
summit
in
minneapolis,
with
colleagues
from
bountiful
cities
in
unc,
asheville,
national
bunker
food
policy
council,
all
of
which
are
community
partners,
doing
some
really
awesome
work
in
the
food
waste
reduction
space
and
we've
collected
over
30
tons
of
food
scraps
at
our
food
at
our
stevensley
drop
off
to
date.
I
C
C
F
Sure,
thanks
anna
not
a
whole
lot
of
updates
or
action,
and
over
the
since
the
last
meeting
we
had
there's
been
some
activity
related
to.
I
think
we
discussed
it
on
the
last
call
around
duke
energy's
net
metering
proposed
net
metering
rules,
which
are
you
know,
fairly
contentious,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
that
are,
you
know,
advocating
for
it
to
not
be
approved
and
go
through,
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
who
are
planning
on
taking
legal
action
if
it
does
end
up
going
through.
F
So
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
because
it
does
hurt
the
local
solar
market
here
in
asheville
and
across
the
state,
so
it'll
be
nice
to
see
if
those
revisions
are
not
made.
F
I
I
missed
the
last
blue
horizons
project,
as
I
was
out
on
spring
break,
stephen
or
or
michael,
I'm
not
sure.
If
there's
anything
that
you
would
like
to
discuss
or
bring
up.
G
C
Well,
good
work
on
keeping
us
updated
with
the
solar,
duke,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
fiasco.
Hopefully
not.
I
know
that
that
that's
something
that
we
all
probably
are
keeping
our
ears
to
the
ground
to
all
right.
Three
b
on
the
agenda
is
staff.
Update.
Bridgette
is
going
to
give
us
an
update
on
city
council
boards
and
commissions
restructuring
and
boards
and
commissions
public
input.
A
Sure
so,
hey
everyone,
bridget
herring
sustainability
director
just
wanted
to
follow
up
first
to
talk
about
the
return
to
in-person
meetings.
That's
still
in
a
state
of
flux
as
we're
going
through
this
never-ending
pandemic,
it
appears
so
stay
tuned
I'll
keep
you
posted
as
soon
as
we
know
more,
but
probably
looking
towards
the
fall.
A
I
also
wanted
to
link
in
the
agenda
for
our
stacy
members,
as
well
as
our
members
of
the
public,
that
staff
gave
an
update
to
city
council
on
the
board,
restructure
process
and
what's
happened
so
far
at
their
before
their
last
council
meeting
at
a
work
session.
So
you
can
view
that
recording
if
you
want
to
see
what
was
presented
and
the
feedback
that
council
had
on
this
process.
A
You
know
what
kind
of
working
group
structure
how
people
will
do
work,
how
things
will
flow
and
it's
still
in
a
state
of
flux,
and
so
the
public
input
page
is
also
there
for
anyone.
Members
of
the
public
committee
members
to
be
able
to
stay
engaged
on
like
what's
what
information
has
been
presented,
what
actions
have
happened
and
and
an
opportunity
to
also
give
your
input?
So
I
think
it's
great
if
anybody
on
stacey
is
able
to,
you
know,
spend
some
time.
A
I
know
ann
and
anna
have
for
sure,
but
it's
a
good
perspective
to
share.
Since
you
are
actively
engaged
on
a
boarding
committee
to
be
able
to
talk
about
the
the
good
and
the
bad
of
your
experience
so
far,
so
that
we
can
hopefully
get
to
a
better
place.
C
Have
they
come
up
with
a
timeline
for
when
this
might
restructuring
might
happen?
So.
A
I
think
what
we
heard
from
council
and
from
everyone
else,
who's
been
engaged
on
this
topic,
was
maybe
to
slow
down
and
take
more
feedback.
So
I
think
the
timeline
is
is
not
set
at
this
moment
in
time.
C
A
C
L
Thanks
anna,
it
is
weird
being
around
other
anas,
I'm
not
used
to
that.
So
real,
quick
I'll,
just
introduce
you,
know
hartwell
who's
in
the
box
of
faces
somewhere.
Ken
are
you?
Do
you
want
to
pop
in
real,
quick
and
say
hi.
M
Yes,
okay,
thanks
I'm
susanna
knox
and
I'm
a
senior
attorney
at
the
southern
environmental
law
center.
So
thanks
for
having
us
today.
H
Okay,
let
me
let
me
try
again
see
if
you
can
hear
me
now:
perfect,
okay,
great
yeah.
I
took
the
headset
off
and
seems
to
work.
I
have
no
idea
why,
but
anyway,
I'm
kim
braim,
I'm
representing
sierra
club
with
a
task
force.
That's
worked
on
putting
this
coordinates
together
and
focusing
on
all
the
things
that
we'll
take
to
make
it
successful.
O
Yeah,
I'm
hartwell
carson
french
pod
river
keeper
with
mountain
tree.
L
And
then
I'm
anna
also
brooke.
I
do
watershed
outreach
in
the
french
broad
riverkeeper
program
at
mountain
true,
and
then
I'm
going
to
kind
of
start
us
off
today
and
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
complexity
of
the
plastics
problem
and
then
we'll
kind
of
pop
corn
around
and
and
folks
will
chime
in
with
what
we
want
to
do
about
it.
So
next
slide.
Is
it
kira
doing
the
slides,
yeah?
Okay?
L
So
most
folks
don't
know
this,
but
plastics
are
made
from
a
byproduct
of
hydro,
fracking
called
ethane,
and
what
we're
starting
to
see
is
that
as
people
and
places
are
moving
to
more
sustainable
and
efficient
energy,
efficient
ways
for
transportation
and
energy,
the
plastics
industry
is
heavily
investing
and
relying
on
sorry.
The
the
oil
and
gas
industry
is
heavily
relying
on
plastics
as
kind
of
their
lifeline
or
their
plan
b.
L
So
this
graph
shows
oil
demand
growth
from
2020
to
2040
and
plastics.
Is
that
column
on
the
far
left?
And
you
can
you
can
see
it
vastly
outweighs
all
the
other
demands
for
oil
across
sectors?
L
L
It's
also
an
environmental
justice
issue,
and
it
is
so
for
a
couple
different
reasons.
The
first
is
based
on
where
plastics
are
manufactured,
so
if
you
think
about
cancer,
cancer
alley
or
st
james
parish
down
in
louisiana,
where
over
150
petrochemical
industries
are
located
manchester
texas,
all
these
communities
are
low-income
and
communities
of
color.
L
The
second
way
it's
an
environmental
justice
issue
is
based
on
where
plastics
end
up
a
lot
of
folks,
don't
realize
that
we
actually
ship
a
lot
of
our
quote-unquote
recyclable
plastic
overseas.
It
used
to
be
china,
but
they
closed
their
doors
to
us
in
2018,
and
so
it's
been
shuffled
around
to
other
places
in
southeast
asia.
A
little
bit
of
africa
and
places
like
that.
L
P
So
this
is
all
of
the
waste
and
you
can
see
that
the
majority
of
it
is
bags
right,
hi,
I'm
nancy
lawson,
my
husband
barry
and
I
are
the
owners
and
operators
of
curbside
management,
and
here
we
are
at
our
material
recovery
facility.
The
majority
of
what
we
get
that
we
cannot
accept
is
plastic
bags.
People
should
not
put
plastic
shopping
bags
in
their
recyclables.
P
We
have
about
18
to
20
workers
that
are
sorting
and
separating
our
recyclables
and
picking
out
and
making
individual
products
60
or
70
percent.
Of
what
our
workers
do
here
is
actually
removing
plastic
bags
on
our
landfill
cost,
for
just
getting
rid
of
the
plastic
bags
alone
is
somewhere
around
10,
000
or
more
a
month.
An
ordinance
or
a
plastic
bag
shopping
bag
ban
would
go
a
long
way
in
helping
us
recycle
more
efficiently.
L
So
yeah
it's
a
big
economic
burden
for
oh
did
I
lose
it
I'll
keep
going
it's
a
big
economic
burden
for
curbside
services.
It's
also,
you
know,
taking
up
a
fair
amount
of
space
in
our
landfill.
I
read
one
report
where
plastic
incorporated
about
12
percent
of
what's
in
our
landfill,
so
on
top
of
that
a
study
came
out
two
weeks
ago
or
so
stating
that
we,
our
recycling
rate
for
plastics,
has
has
dropped
to
about
five
or
six
percent.
L
It
peaked
around
nine
percent,
but
in
the
last
few
years
it's
it's
dropped
since
then,
but
our
plastic
waste
generation
has
gone
up
exponentially,
especially
since
covid.
L
L
L
A
study
came
out
in
2019
that
that
estimates,
that
about
a
third
of
plastic
waste,
enters
the
environment
despite
our
best
efforts
and
it
it
doesn't.
Most
of
that
is
single-use
plastic
and
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
biodegrade.
It
can
persist
in
the
environment
for
a
very
long
time,
then
so
it
becomes
basically
a
storm
water
issue.
There's
scientists
are
are
predicting
that
by
2025
there
will
be
one
pound
of
plastic
for
every
three
pounds
of
fish
in
the
ocean.
L
L
Microplastics,
don't
ever
biodegrade,
they
just
break
down
into
smaller
and
smaller
pieces
called
nanoplastics
and
microplastics,
and
we
have
seen
these
everywhere.
They're
ubiqui
ubiquitous
they've
been
found
at
the
bottom
of
the
marianas
trench
in
the
most
remote
deserts
of
the
of
the
world
every
new
every
few
months.
Some
study
comes
out
and
documents
microplastics
in
a
place.
You
wouldn't
have
expected
to
find
them.
L
We've
been
taking.
Oh,
maybe
it's
the
next
slide
yeah,
so
we've
been
taking
microplastic
samples
in
the
french
broad
for
over
a
year
now
to
kind
of
see
what
a
baseline
might
look
like
for
us,
and
what
we've
seen
here
is
about
40.
L
L
And
it
becomes
a
human
health
issue.
So
most
folks
don't
know
this
part
of
it
either.
Plastics
are
typically
not
purely
just
plastic.
They
have
a
lot
of
chemical
additives
to
them,
and
it's
these
additives
that
give
them
the
variable
characteristics
we
think
about
with
plastics.
So,
if
you
think
about,
like
a
shop
plastic
shopping
bag
versus
a
pvc
pipe
or
something
like
that,
you
know
the
the
chemicals
are,
what
give
it
that
either
flexibility
versus
sturdiness,
and
things
like
that.
L
It's
been
pretty
well
documented
that
these
chemicals
leach
out
into
the
environment
and
it
that
could
be
you
know
a
drinking
water
source.
It
could
be
the
human
body,
it
could
be
a
landfill,
whatever
they
readily
leach
out
and
styrene,
specifically,
which
is
the
component
in
polystyrene
or
styrofoam,
is
classified
as
a
likely
or
probable
human
carcinogen
by
places
like
the
nih,
the
world
health
organization
and
has
been
linked
to
liver
and
kidney
and
circulatory
problems.
L
Food
packaging
is
known,
endocrine
disruptors
and
they're,
linking
they're
linking
harmful
reproductive
and
nervous
system
impacts
to
the
these
class
of
chemicals,
and
this
is
a
growing
body
of
literature
as
well.
Every
few
months,
a
new
study
comes
out
linking
these
things
together
to
human
human
health
impacts,
so
next
slide.
L
L
So
now
that
I
doomed
and
gloomed
everybody
we're
going
to
talk
about
what
we
want
to
do
to
help
turn
off
the
tap
for
for
plastics
in
our
daily
life
and
I'll
kick
it
over
to
ken.
H
Thank
you.
I
think
the
first
thing
I
want
to
just
say
before
we
get
too
far
into
this.
The
details
is
that
there's
been
a
large
group
of
10
12
people
that
have
been
working
for
months
and
also
ann
has
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
research
nationally
about,
what's
included
in
other
ordinances
and
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work.
H
The
second
thing
we
did
is
we
wanted
to
have
something
that
was
workable,
that
could
be
understood
and
and
actually
work,
and
and
also
where
can
we
get
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck?
So
we
focused
on
styrofoam
and
plastic
bags
at
the
point
of
sale
at
retail,
so
this
would
be
at
the
checkout
counter
or
take
out
for
for
restaurants
and
grocery
stores
things
like
that,
and
so
we
want
to
ban
plastic
bags.
H
That's
at
the
at
that
point.
What
it
doesn't
include
is
if
you
go
into
the
grocery
store,
you
know,
produce
bulk
items,
meats
seafoods
the
small
bags
that
they
use
for
those
are
not
included
in
the
ordinance,
also
bags.
H
That
would
contain
garbage
pet
waste
yard
waste
things
like
that,
it's
strictly
those
that
are
being
given
out
at
the
point
of
of
sale
and
so
plastic
bags
would
be
banned,
but
retailers
would
be
would
have
available,
recycled
paper
bags,
40
recycled
content
paper
bags
and
there
would
be
a
cost
of
10
cents
per
bag.
Why
the
10
cents
per
bag?
H
Our
goal
here
is
not
to
cut
down
more
trees.
Our
goal
is
to
get
people
into
the
habit
of
bringing
their
own
reusable
bags.
So
we
wanted
to
we
some
of
the
studies
that
tan
has
found
around
the
country
is
it
can
reduce
bag
usage
by
30
40?
Something
like
that,
and
I
can
correct
me
if
I'm
off
on
those
percentages,
but
the
idea
is
to
is
to
is
to
get
people
from
from
using
either.
H
However,
people
forget
their
bags,
some
people
don't
have
reusable
bags,
so
there
needs
to
be
an
alternative
for
them
and
that's
where
the
recycled
plastic
bags
would
be
available,
but
there
would
be
a
cost
in
the
10th
cent
based
on
studies
in
other
cities
and
counties
and
states.
10
seems
to
be
the
magic
number
more
than
that
doesn't
necessarily
change
behavior
anymore.
Less
than
that
doesn't
the
10
cent.
H
H
We're
also
very
concerned
about
the
impact
on
lower
income
and
marginalized
individuals,
and
so
the
fee
would
be
exempt
automatically
on
on
ebt
snap
wic
benefits
any
kind
of
government
food
assistance
program.
It
would
automatically
exempt
the
10
cent
and
again
this
is
something
that
we
found
in
the
research
around
the
country.
That's
pretty
standard
in
most
of
the
places
that
have
passed
these
ordinances.
H
The
second
thing
is
that
there
would
be
no
star
polystyrene
or
styrofoam
for
food
or
beverage
packaging
for
takeout.
H
So
again,
there
are
alternatives,
there's
cardboard,
so
those
are
all
available
as
alternatives
and
many
restaurants
have
already
made
that
shift,
and
many
grocery
stores
have
already
made
the
shift.
Aldi's
doesn't
provide
plastic
bags
and
whole
foods
and
and
earth
fare,
and
many
others
are
in
that
category
and
there's
a
number
of
states
that
have
banned
plastic.
So
this
is
something
that
the
the
grocery
short
chains
are
already
dealing
with
in
many
locations.
There's
like
charleston
south
carolina
is
our
closest
one
and
a
good
comparison
for
us
they're
about
the
same
size
city.
H
They
depend
heavily
on
tourism
to
get
their
things
done,
so
no
no
food
straws
would
be
available
upon
request.
H
H
I
don't
back
up
just
before
we
did.
I
just
last
yeah,
that's
pretty
much
an
overview
of
that
and
happy
to
answer
detailed
questions
after
the
presentation.
M
M
M
I
think,
as
ken
mentioned
there
are-
or
maybe
anna
there
are
about
400
cities,
local
governments
across
the
united
states-
that
have
done
this.
So
while
we
would
be
potentially
the
first
in
north
carolina,
there
is
a
lot
of
precedent
for
local
governments
taking
this
issue
into
their
hands
in
general,
including
in
in
states
that
don't
have
that
don't
have
a
home
rule
where
the
the
cities
have
really
wide
latitude.
M
We
believe
that
there's
a
very
strong
basis
under
north
carolina
law
for
these
types
of
ordinances.
First
of
all,
the
general
ordinance
making
authority
granted
by
the
state
to
local
governments
is
very
broad,
and
it's
interpreted
very
broadly
by
courts.
There
are
certainly
exceptions
to
that
authority,
but
none
of
them
would
apply
here.
M
M
I
won't
speak
for
him
and
his
analysis,
but
he
I
believe
he
overall
supports
our
analysis,
but
is
interested
to
see
if
there's
any
precedent
for
just
that
fee
issue
for
requiring
businesses
to
charge
a
fee,
so
we're
looking
into
that
right
now.
The
biggest
concerns
we've
heard
on
the
legal
front.
Up
to
this
point
really
have
so
far
been
more
to
do
with
politics,
especially
the
idea
that
there
might
be
some
sort
of
unrelated
backlash
against
asheville
in
the
general
assembly.
M
So
we
hope
that
the
community
outreach
that
we've
done
so
far
and
will
continue
to
do
and
as
well
as
coordinating
with
other
cities
and
working
out
the
right
timing
for
rolling
out
the
ordinance
would
would
allay
some
of
those
concerns.
But
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
about
any
of
those
any
of
those
matters
as
well
when
we're
done
or
at
any
time.
O
All
right,
so,
if
you're
like
me,
you're
thinking
you,
you
probably
had
a
sense
that
plastic
bag
was
a
bad
bad
for
our
environment,
but
the
fact
that
it's
a
climate
change
issue,
an
equity
issue,
a
human
health
issue,
I'm
thinking
this
seems
like
a
great
policy
and
a
great
way
for
us
to
move
forward.
So
how
do
we
do
that?
O
I
think
that's
a
really
important
question
and
we
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
thinking
about
it,
but
also
talking
to
a
whole
bunch
of
other
municipalities,
I'll
say
having
over
400
municipalities
already
done.
This
you
know
puts
us
really
kind
of
behind
the
times,
but
but
the
good
thing
is
you
can
glean
a
lot
of
advice
about
what
other
folks
have
done
and
what
has
worked
and
what
hasn't
worked.
And
so
we've
tried
to
do
that.
O
Thinking
about
not
only
the
ordinance,
but
how
do
we
implement
the
ordinance
so
several
pieces
of
this,
and
I
do
have
a
more
sort
of
detailed
outreach
strategy
that
didn't
make
your
packet
but
happy
to
send
it
to
you.
You
know
we
would
not
be
looking
upon
passage
of
this
ordinance
that
there
would
be
implementation
ordinance
in
the
in
the
very
near
future.
O
We
we
kind
of
have
that
as
a
question
mark,
but
I
think
within
our
group,
we're
thinking
six
to
twelve
months
would
be
the
kind
of
the
phase-in
plan
and
the
reason
that
that's
important
is.
It
allows
us
time
to
educate
the
public
and
and
work
with
businesses
to
kind
of
get
them
ready
for
this
transition.
O
Our
our
group,
plastic,
free
wnc,
is,
is
fully
ready
to
take
on
that
responsibility
working
as
closely
with
the
city
as
as
as
we
as
the
city
would
like
to
work
with
us
in
our
outreach
to
a
lot
of
other
municipalities,
we
found
that
budgeting
wasn't
nearly
as
cumbersome
as
we
thought
it
might
be.
You
know
originally,
I
think
we
were
thinking
of
a
pretty
lofty
budget
number
in
order
to
implement
this,
and
the
largest
budget
we
found
reaching
out
to
other
cities
was
charleston.
O
They
got
a
grant
for
about
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
and
the
advice
we
got
from
charleston.
Is
you
really
didn't
need
that
much
money,
but
but
it
was
nice
and
it
was
helpful,
and
so
they
did
a
pretty
robust
outreach
and
implementation
because
they
had
that
money.
So
we
want
to
be
optimistic,
though
we're
budgeting
for
fifty
thousand
dollars,
just
in
case
some
of
the
the
items
that
charleston
was
able
to
procure
for
free,
like
they
got
a
lot
of
free
bags.
O
They
got
a
lot
of
free
advertising
if
we
do
have
to
fully
purchase
all
that,
we
think
fifty
thousand
dollars
will
cover
it
and
really
the
key
pieces
of
the
plan
are
marketing
and
education
and
reusable
bag
distribution
and
most
municipalities,
we've
talked
to
you
know.
They
said
the
marketing
really
took
care
of
itself
in
a
lot
of
instances.
You
know
the
public
is
interested,
the
press
is
interested,
and
so
they
really
relied
heavily
on
those
outlets
to
sort
of
reach
the
public
and
reach
businesses.
O
So
we'll
definitely
rely
on
that,
but
we
don't
want
to
just
run
on
that.
So
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
kind
of
go
above
and
beyond
that
using
traditional
media,
but
also
using
a
variety
of
social
media
channels
paid
advertising
through
a
variety
of
media
channels
and
creating
some
marketing
materials.
Some
of
the
key
marketing
materials
we
heard
other
municipalities
use
was
signage
businesses.
O
You
know
alerting
the
public
to
what
the
ordinance
is
about
and
and
why
the
you
know
why
it's
important
magnets,
reminding
folks
to
bring
their
bags,
and
you
know,
flyers
that
could
be
handed
out
potentially
in
water
bills,
but
also
used
in
other.
You
know,
sort
of
tabling
you
know
tabling
environments.
O
Charles
did
a
lot
of
workshops
for
businesses.
We
thought
that
was
a
good
opportunity
to
you
know
maybe
target
different
levels
of
business,
so
you
know
workshop
with
grocers
a
workshop
with
restaurants,
explaining
the
ordinance
talking
through
the
you
know
how
to
implement
that.
So
we're
planning
to
do
that
and
probably
the
biggest
focus
will
be
the
reusable
bag
distribution.
That
was,
you
know,
really
targeted
as
kind
of
a
key
piece
of
the
puzzle.
Most
folks
they
said
they
were,
they
were
buying
about
a
third
of
their
population
in
bags.
O
So
we
we
have
30
000
bags
targeted
and
we're
really
looking.
You
know
the
bags
will
be
available
to
the
general
public,
but
we're
really
looking
to
target
low-income
residents
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
got
a
lot
of
feedback
on
the
best
ways
to
do
that.
I'm
hitting
on
that
real
briefly,
but
you
know
looking
at
passing
out
bags
at
bus
station
having
distribution
centers
at
bus
stations,
public
housing,
community,
centers
libraries,
we
also
talked
about
doing
a
give
a
bag
take
a
bag
at
different
retail
establishments.
O
We
talked
about
having
bins
where
folks
could,
you
know
be
set
up
strategically
to
to
take
bags
as
they
needed
and
looking
at
doing
a
lot
of
sort
of
education
outreach
events,
particularly
in
the
the
start
of
the
rollout.
You
know,
setting
up
at
ingles
and
setting
up
at
some
of
the
larger
retailers
to
to
reach
the
public
as
they're
kind
of
learning
about
this
for
the
first
time.
O
So
that's
kind
of
the
highlights
and
again
I
got
some
more
detail
that
I'm
happy
to
to
share
with
you
in
a
document
but
also
happy
to
ask
answer
as
many
questions
as
you
like.
You
go
to
the
next.
O
So
enforcement
is
another
key
question,
so
you
know.
Is
this
going
to
be
a
giant
burden
on
the
city
of
asheville?
Who
already
has
you
know
more
to
do
than
they
can
do
and
the
answer
we
got
from
all
the
municipalities
we
talked
to
was
no
it.
It
really
was
not
burdensome
at
all
in
some
instances,
but
pretty
pretty
light
burn
in
other
instances.
You
know
we
got
response
everything
from
five
complaints
a
year
to
15
a
month.
O
I
think
that
was
charleston
now
we
know
folks
in
nashville
love
to
complain
about
stuff.
So
I
don't
want
to
say
that
we
won't
get
any
complaints,
but
it
didn't
seem
like
it
was
overwhelming
number
of
complaints,
everyone
that
we
talked
to
relied
on
citizen
complaints,
which
I
think
is
pretty
standard
in
this
type
of
ordinance.
O
O
If
they
got
a
complaint,
what
most
municipalities
were
doing
is
they
were
following
up
with
kind
of
a
formatter
they're
saying
you
know,
we've
gotten
a
complaint,
here's
the
rules
of
our
ordinance,
here's
how
you
can
comply
and
that's
really
it
unless
they
get
repeated
complaints.
I'll
say
that
the
best
thing
we
heard
was
that
all
the
major
everybody
we
talked
to
said
all
the
big
retailers
just
fell
in
line,
and
so
you
know
really
the
complaints
they're
getting
are
from
a
handful
of
mom
and
pop
shops.
O
You
know,
there's
a
few
repeat
offenders,
so
I
thought
it
was
really
encouraging,
because,
even
if
you
have
problems
with
a
handful
of
businesses,
you're
getting
your
biggest
retailers,
which
is
where
the
vast
majority
of
your
plastic
is
coming
from.
So
I
thought
that
was
really
encouraging
and
no
municipality
we
spoke
to
had
had
to
find
and
and
we're
trying
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
how
this
process
works.
But
a
lot
of
other
municipalities
were
using
the
business
license
process.
O
So
if
they
were
having
a
problem
with,
you
know
sort
of
a
repeat
offender
when
it
came
time
to
renew
their
business
license,
they
would
use
that
as
an
opportunity
to
do
outreach
and
and
encouragement
to
comply
so
we're.
We
need
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
how
that
would
work
the
city
of
asheville,
but
that
that
was
an
option.
A
lot
of
others
used.
You
go
the
next.
N
So,
in
order
to
address
the
equity
question
about
a
plastic
bag
ban,
we
talked
with
a
lot
of
groups.
We
talked
with
a
lot
of
people
and
I'm
gonna
go
through
that
with
you
and
kim.
I
may
address
your
question
here
about
why
why
we
chose
the
exemptions
that
we
did
so
there
was.
There
were
a
group
of
us
who
individually
reached
out
to
21
organizations
that
worked
with
low
income
or
unhoused
or
vulnerable
populations,
and
we
heard
back
from
11
of
those
and
they're
listed
on
this
slide.
N
We
also
were
able
to
email
a
questionnaire
to
that
asheville
homeless
initiative.
Members
from
that
mailing,
we
got
41
responses
in
including
27
organizations
which
were
probably
similar.
Some
of
them
were
the
same
as
the
ones
that
we
had
spoken
with
earlier
now
could
have
the
next
slide.
Please.
N
So
we
found
that
most
groups
were
generally
supportive
of
the
ordinance.
There
were
some
challenges
that
they
would
like
to
see
addressed
and
those
included
the
fact
that
homeless,
people
and
and
other
others
can't
always
afford
10
cents,
a
10
cent
fee
on
a
paper
bag
that
they
don't
some
some
but
not
all
low
inc.
N
Sorry,
low
wealth
or
unhoused
people
have
reusable
bags,
but
they
may
not
have
enough,
so
they
were
asking
for
free
bag
distribution
which
hartwell
talked
about,
but
they
have
a
little
more
requirements
that
these
bags
be
waterproof,
that
they'd
be
washable
that
they
have
handles
and
they
would
like
two
to
three
of
them
per
person,
but
that
you
know
we
can't
just
do
a
roll
out
at
the
beginning.
We
have
to
have
a
consistent
use
to
these
free,
reusable
bags
and
then
again
they,
these
organizations
and
individuals
suggested
certain
locations.
N
That
would
be
good
for
distribution
that
hartwell
already
mentioned.
You
know
the
next
slide.
Please,
and
it's
not
mine,
just
one
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
was
that
we
also
spoke
with
people
in
in
a
low
wealth
community.
While
we
people
who
lived
in
shiloh
and
lived
in
public
housing
and
they
had,
they
really
had
very
little
concerns
they.
They
said
that
you
know,
given
enough
advanced
notice,
that
they
would
be
able
to
adapt.
N
They
did
also
want
to
have
free,
reusable
bags,
so
it
it
doesn't
seem
like.
This
is
a
big
issue,
a
big
equity
issue.
I
did
speak
with
three
organizations
in
eugene
oregon
who
a
similar
size
city
with
a
with
their
home
unhoused
population,
and
they
said
their
their
homeless
population
is
such
is
so
serious
that
it
was
not
even
a
blip
on
the
radar
when
they
instituted
a
plastic
bag
ban.
N
L
I
can
jump
in
on
the
business
survey.
Y'all
should
have
this
report
in
the
file
that
we
sent
over
since
then.
We've
gotten
three
more
responses,
so
we're
up
to
60
responses
now,
but
just
a
little
bit
of
a
backdrop,
we
sent
a
survey
out
to
local
businesses
through
the
chamber
of
commerce,
email
listserv
as
well
as
air,
and
then
some
targeted
business
associations,
and
then
we
also
individually
reached
out
to
folks.
L
We
know
who
own
businesses,
and
so
we
at
this
point
have
60
responses
which
is
actually
on
par
with
the
city
of
durham.
They
did
a
similar
survey
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
got
60
responses
and
generally
folks
are
supportive
of
the
bag
ban
and
styrofoam
ban.
You
can
see
the
percentages
here
on
the
slide.
87
93
favor,
a
lot
of
written
feedback
was
in
the
gist
of.
Why
haven't
we
done
this
already?
This
is
a
great
idea.
L
L
L
O
Hey
I'll
just
add
one
piece
before
we
take
questions,
there's
also
kind
of
a
cost
analysis
in
in
the
folder
that
we
sent,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
me
and
anna
spent
some
time
this
week.
Thinking
through
you
know
what
what
are
the
costs
of
businesses,
and
so
I
just
want
to
walk
you
through
that,
real
briefly,
to
kind
of
lay
out
that
to
help
explain
that
analysis.
That's
in
your
folder!
O
You
know
when
you're
thinking
about
grocers
and
as
far
as
the
cost
you
it's
really
a
cost
savings
across
the
board
you're
looking
at,
they
are
currently
paying
for
plastic
bags
that
will
be
eliminated
and
they
will
now
start
getting
paid
for
paperbacks.
So
as
far
as
grocers
there's
a
should
be
a
fairly
substantial
cost
savings.
Now,
as
far
as
restaurants,
really
the
only
impact
to
restaurants
would
be
folks
that
are
serving
styrofoam
we're
not
covering
service
wear
that
isn't
styrofoam.
O
So
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
this
is
super
unscientific,
but
the
vast
majority
of
asheville
restaurants
are
already
not
serving
styrofoam,
so
I
think
you're
you're
talking
about
a
small
minority.
Now
I
do
love
ingles
fried
chicken,
and
that
comes
in
styrofoam,
so
I
don't
want
to
overlook
that.
But
the
cost
comparison
when
you
look
at
replacing
styrofoam
cups
to
a
sustainable
alternative
or
a
not
sustainable
alternative,
because
we're
not
requiring
a
sustainable
alternative.
O
You
could
place
styrofoam
cups
with
plastic
cups
if
you
want
to
is
extremely
minimal,
so
that's
kind
of
listed
out
you're
talking
like
one
or
two
cents
in
either
direction,
depending
on
what
product
you're
looking
at.
A
O
Oh,
it's
possible
yeah
and,
if
so
well,
we
can
send
it.
I
can
even
send
it
to
you
right
now
and
we
can
display
it,
but
we
can
definitely
send
it
to
you.
After
sorry,.
A
C
We
have
quite
a
bit
of
questions
racking
up
here,
I'll
just
go
in
the
order
of
hands
being
raised,
maggie
or
first.
J
L
We
have
looked
into
that
and
while
there's
no
neutral
option,
we
do
think
the
least
or
the
best
material
to
to
be
used
as
a
recycled
plastic
material
in
terms
of
water,
sustainability
and.
L
Q
L
Yeah
yeah,
but
that
that's
a
great
question.
A
lot
of
people
want
us
to
use
organic
cotton,
which
has
a
pretty
significant
footprint
yeah.
J
O
I
did
think
there's
potential
there'll
be
a
couple
types
of
reusable
bags,
because
we
talked
a
lot
of
other
municipalities
that
said
that
they
got
a
lot
of
free,
donated
bags
from
retailers
or
from
other
environmental
organizations,
the
kinds
that
we
would
buy.
We
would
definitely
target
the
you
know
the
materials
anna
talked
about
and
the
kind
of
the
the
uses
that
jane
said
were
important
to
low-income
folks,
yeah.
K
I
actually
have
three
is
that
okay,
maybe
cut
me
off
if
it's
too
much
first,
let
me
say
thanks
for
all
this
effort,
and
you
can
put
me
in
the-
why
haven't
we
done
this
a
long
time
ago,
but
doing
getting
it
done
and
getting
it
done.
Right,
of
course,
is
very
important,
and
I
sort
of
I
had
questions
comments
about
three
things.
As
I
said,
one
is
on
on
the
question
of
impact
on
businesses.
K
I
looked
at
the
business
survey
that
you
all
sent
out.
That
was
a
little
too
briefly,
which
seemed
good,
but
it
also
struck
me
as
being
sort
of
broad
brush,
and
you
know
folks
like
harris,
teeter
whole
foods.
These
are
companies,
as
I'm
sure
I'm
not
telling
you
anything,
you
don't
know,
operate
multiple
jurisdictions.
K
I
wonder
if
there,
if
you
have
or
if
you
have,
or
if
you
plan,
to
run
the
draft
ordinance
the
specifics
by
these
kinds
of
all
sorts
of
businesses
to
get
their
input,
maybe
tweaking
the
the
draft.
As
is
that's
that's
number
one.
Should
I
stop
there
and
get.
O
Yeah,
I
can,
I
can
chime
in
on
that,
if
you
want,
because
we
had
a
good
digit
good
meeting
with
bridgette
kyra
jed
and
then
another
good
meeting
with
brad-
and
you
know,
while
we
think
our
business
survey
is
pretty
robust,
I
think
the
feedback
from
all
of
them
was
it.
It
could
always
be
more
robust,
and
so
I
think
you're
right.
I
think
we're
gonna
not
only
target
some
of
the
big
retailers
you
mentioned,
but
also
specifically
target
people.
We
think
might
not
like
this.
O
You
know
we
have
gotten
some
feedback
from
ingles,
which
was
positive,
but
you
know
we
want
to
look
at.
You
know
the
retail
merchants
association,
some
other
associations
that
we
typically
don't
support
these
kind
of
things
and
get
that
feedback
now,
rather
than
getting
it
at
the
last
minute.
Right.
H
One
of
the
challenges,
the
question
there
we
sent
out
had
10
questions.
We
tried
to
hit
the
major
points
of
what
was
in
the
ordinance,
but
if
the
more
questions
you
ask
the
more
people,
the
response
rate
goes
down
now.
K
I
understood,
but
there's
no
substitute
for
saying
this
is
what
we
propose
to
do
with
a
specific
language
and
see
what
people
have
to
say
rather
than
sort
of
anyway.
That's
one
point:
okay,
the
other
is
experience
of
other
of
other
local
government
jurisdictions
with
well.
If
we
have
400
local
governments
that
have
done
like
nine
some
900,
this
must
be
the
perfect
draft
ever
and
I
two
questions
in
that.
K
In
that
regard,
one
is
you
mentioned:
charleston
is:
is
there
does
this
draft
differ
in
any
significant
respect
from
charleston
and,
if
so,
how
and
why
and
related
to
that,
where
more
a
little
more
detail,
if
you
can
get
me
on
where
durham
is
and
whether
they
have
a
draft
available
and
whether
asheville
might
not
do
well
to
hold
hands
with
durham
in
being
the
first
in
in
this
state.
H
I'll
answer
the
last
one
and
then
defer
to
somebody
else
on
the
second
or
the
second
question.
The
last
one
is
there's
one
major
difference
between
us
and
durham,
their
propos.
Our
ten
cent
fee
goes
to
the
merchant's
offset
any
additional
cost.
They
have
and
also
not
to
add
any
administrative
burdens
to
the
city
to
have
to
collect
a
fee.
H
Things
like
that
durham
is
looking
at
the
fee
going
to
their
into
the
to
their
government
in
terms
of
being
able
to
use
it
to
offset
some
other
things
they
want
to
do
from
a
waste
management
standpoint.
So
that's
the
biggest
difference
between
us
and
durham.
We
are,
quite
frankly,
we
chose
to
go
of
the
route
we
did
to
keep
it
with
the
you
know
the
retailer
for
those
very
reasons
not
to
overburden
the
city
on
the
administrative
side
number
two.
H
We
think
it
would
reduce
any
arguments
that
oh,
this
is
gonna
cost
us
money.
So
we
think
that's
the
major
difference
that
we've
got
and
I'll
let
susannah
or
hartwell
talk
about.
O
I
don't
know
that
charleston
answered
anna.
Do
you
know
that
I
know
I
do
know
anna
took
well
and
talk
about
all
the
ones
you
looked
at.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
specifically
charleston.
L
I
I
couldn't
remember
so
I
was
looking
up
really
fast.
I
think
they
just
have
a
ban
without
the
10
cent
fee
attached
to
the
paper.
I
need
to
dig
into
my
notes
a
little
bit
more
if,
if
that's
correct,
and
they
might
also
have
polystyrene
as
a
as
a
band
for
takeout
containers,
so
so
yeah
just
when
I
was
doing
research
on
the
different
ordinances.
L
This
is
what
seemed
to
be
the
best
model
to
get
people
to
bring
reusable
bags
to
the
store,
no
matter
what
kind
of
store
it
was
and
it
it
invoked.
The
most
behavior
change
is
what
it
what
I
found
so
a
lot
of
places.
L
You
know
just
banned,
banned
plastic
bags
and
then
everybody
relied
on
paper,
so
the
usage
of
paper
skyrocketed
and
then
we
learn,
we've
learned
a
lot
along
the
way
since
california
implemented
the
first
ban,
I
think
in
2007
in
san
francisco,
so
they
made
a
lot
of
trial
and
error
and
we
hope
we
have
the
gold
standard.
At
this
point.
O
Good
yeah
there's,
I
was
gonna,
say,
there's
other
other
option,
which
is
a
fee
on
plastic
and
that,
while
that
does
reduce
plastic
bag
consumption
greatly,
sometimes
you
know
30
to
eighty
percent
panorama
bannon
that
reduces
it
more
obviously
and
there's
a
few
other
kind
of
add-on
components.
It
depends
on
the
ordinances
around
the
country,
their
styrofoam,
their
service
wear.
O
K
Last
last
point
is
in
the
legal
area,
not
on
the
legality
of
fees
and
all
that,
but
it
did.
I
did.
I
took
a
look
at
some
of
the
citations
in
the,
whereas
clauses
on
the
solid
waste
management
statute,
and
it
see
this
is
maybe
too
quickly,
but
it-
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
on
that,
but
it
did
seem
to
me
that
there
were
at
least
a
couple
other
provisions
that
might
be
referenced
and
might
provide.
I
don't
know
if
you've
looked
at
them.
K
Susanna
might
provide
support
for
the
the
city's
authority
to
act.
One
one
is
the
the
statement
of
the
solid
waste
management
policy
and
goals,
which
is
to
assist
local
governments
with
solid
waste
management
and
establishes
that
hierarchy
of
what's
important.
It's
the
source,
the
waste
reduction
at
the
source,
which
I
think
is
referenced,
is
one
of
the
in
one
of
the
presentation
pieces,
but
there's
a
specific.
K
This
is
important
and
assisting
local
governments
in
that
respect
might
be
a
a
provision
that
you
might
wish
to
cite
as
well
in
the
whereas
clauses
and
the
other
one
that
I
came
across,
and
this
may
be
too
quickly.
I
may
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
there's
a
provision
that
basically,
I
think,
would
would
be
supportive
of
taking
action
like
this
to
help
reduce
mitigate
the
situation
that
we
saw
in
that
video
about
how
plastic
bags
gum
up
the
works.
K
It's
the
provision
in
the
in
this
again
in
the
solid
waste
management
statute
that
says
each
local
government
shall
assess
the
local,
solid
waste
collection,
services
and
disposal
capacity
and
implement
programs
and
take
other
actions
that
it
determines
are
necessary
to
address
deficiencies
in
service
or
capacity
required
to
meet
local
needs
and
protect
human
health,
etc.
K
So
I
don't
know
whether
that
you
know
would
cover
the
weak.
An
additional
reason
to
do
this
is
to
get
plastic
bags
out
of
the
out
of
the
sorting
process
in
recycling
and
last
note,
if
I
can
on
the
legal
thing,
I
did
there's
one
citation
that
I
think
is
a
miscitation,
and
I
can
just
note
it
in
one
of
those,
whereas
clauses
and
I
can
get
with
susannah
or
something
like
that
to
let
you
know
it,
I
think
it
must
have
been
a
typo
or
something.
K
C
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point
steve,
thank
you
for
bringing
up
the
the
proposed
ordinance,
because
that
is
something
that
we
will
eventually
vote
on
as
a
board.
So
certainly
keep
that
in
mind.
As
you
have
questions
throughout
this
meeting,
hopefully
we've
all
been
able
to
to
breeze
through
it.
But
chris,
I
think
you
were
the
next
person
who
had
a
question.
F
Sure,
thanks,
forgive
me
susanna
if
you
mentioned
this,
but
I
could
have
sworn
on
the
slide
that
you
presented
that
the
outer
banks
attempted
to
do
something
like
this,
but
it
was
repealed
by
the
state.
Did
I
read
that
correctly.
M
Sure
yeah,
the
the
outer
banks
situation
is
really.
I
mentioned
that
on
the
slide
just
to
highlight
that
action
taken
by
local
government
and
it
doesn't
affect
local
government
authority
to
take
any
similar
action.
M
It
was
a
a
bill
that
was
passed
in
the
general
assembly
originally,
but
only
applied
to
three
counties
on
the
coast
and
the
outer
banks,
and
they
ended
up
repealing
it.
There
was
some
obviously
some
political
pressure
that
led
to
them
repealing
it,
but
the
stated
reason
for
the
repeal
was
actually
that
they
improperly
used
the
process
for
passing
a
statewide
bill
when
it
should
have
been
a
local
bill
because
it
didn't
apply
statewide.
F
Okay,
perfect,
so
thank
you
and
the
other
question.
I
have
there's
no
law
that
states
retailers
must
provide
bags.
Is
that
correct?
This
is
this
is
a
an
amenity
that
stores
offer
to
retailers.
F
You
know
I
was
you
know
it's
unfortunate,
that
you
know
some
of
these
value-oriented
stores,
which
perhaps
some
of
us
frequent
it's
almost
a
standard
and
an
expectation
that
there
are
no
bags
and
you
bring
them,
and
it
would
be
great
to
see
some
of
the
more
popular
retailers
take
that.
But
you
know
that's
just
where
we
are
as
a
culture
and
hopefully
that'll
change,
and
I
think
things
like
this
will
help
make
that
change.
So
I
am,
I
hope,
this
you
know,
I'm
biased.
F
I
Yes,
I
put
it
in
this
chat,
but
so
by
banning
styrofoam
from
restaurants.
Does
that
include
fast
food
restaurants,
because
there
are
quite
a
few
that
still
do
use
styrofoam.
I
Okay-
and
I
also
I
mean
I
would
welcome
the
chance
to
discuss
the
actual
language
of
the
ordinance
and
the
rollout
in
terms
of
the
timing,
and
I
know
in
the
subcommittee,
we
talked
about
a
phased
roll
out
versus
all
at
once.
I
So
I'm
wondering
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
you
know,
maybe
starting
with
plastic
bags,
then
moving
to
styrofoam
or
just
doing
it
all
at
once.
H
O
Anna
got
some
good
feedback
from
several
other
municipalities.
Some
had
done
a
phase
draw
where
big
retailers
went
first
and
then
small
retailers
went
second.
I
kind
of
liked
that
on
the
surface,
but
the
feedback
anna
got
was,
it
was
just
confusing
to
the
public.
It
was
much
better
to
just
do
it
all
at
once.
People
didn't
know
why
they
couldn't
get
it
back
at
ingles,
but
they
could
get
one
at
cvs
or
whatever
you
know,
whatever
it
was,
so
their
advice
was,
do
it
all
at
once.
H
One
thing
I
did
fail
to
mention
is
on
the
the
bag
fee
paperback.
They.
We
are
exempting
small
paper
bags.
For
example,
if
you
go
through
mcdonald's
today,
you
get
your
stuff
in
a
paper
bag.
Fortunately,
they've
given
up
plastic
bags
good
for
them,
so
we
didn't
feel
like
adding
10
cents
to
the
price
of
a
burger,
so
small
plastic
small
paper
bags
are
excluded
from
the
10
cent
fee.
C
Good
question:
thanks
alison
tim
you're
up
next.
E
E
L
We,
the
the
survey,
was
anonymous,
so
we're
not
sure
where
those
responses
came
from
necessarily
okay,.
L
Weren't
super
thorough,
just
like
keep
your
nose
out
of
our
business,
and
we
shouldn't
do
this
period.
O
Yeah
we
we
debated
the
value
of
having
people
say
who
they
were,
because
you
know
we
did
want
to
follow
up,
but
the
advice
we
got
from
survey
folks
were
you'll,
get
more
responses.
If
it's
anonymous,
so
we
lost
a
little
on
the
ability
to
follow
up,
but
I
think
we
gained
some
on
number
of
responses.
O
E
The
second
question
was
when
I
moved
here
15
years
ago,
I
think
buncombe
county
had
a
bag
program.
You
may
remember
these
green
bags
that
kind
of
mimicked
a
brown
paper
bag
with
handles.
They
were
giving
them
out
at
the
libraries
and
elsewhere
and
wondering
if
you
know
any
lessons
learned
from
that
program
if
it
was
something
that
was
successful
or
if
you
could
even
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
how
it
might
relate
to
this.
O
Well,
ken's,
the
oldest
guy,
not
to
call
you
out
ken,
but
but
I've
been
around
doing
this
15
years.
I
actually
don't
remember
that,
but
but
that's
good
feedback
to
see
if
there's
anybody
in
the
county
that
does
remember
and
how
that
went.
C
D
C
D
Thank
you.
Well.
I
also
want
to
echo
that
this
was
such
a
thorough
research.
You've
done
and
the
clarity
of
presentation
is
outstanding
and
it
reaffirms
why
I
belong
to
all
your
groups
and
support
your
work
and
like
chris,
I
have
a
bias.
I
bicycle
along
the
french
broad
river,
at
least
three
to
four
times
between
woodfin
and
marshall
a
week,
and
it
is
just
unbelievably
littered
with
plastic
and
a
lot
of
it
obviously
blowing
into
the
river
but
along
the
roadside.
D
So
I
would
love
to
see
not
only
this
ordinance
but
like
maine
and
oregon
extended
producer
responsibility
for
all
of
the
recyclables
and
a
carbon
fee
on
patrol
petrochemical
stocks,
which
would
reflect
the
real
price.
So
there's
so
much.
That
needs
to
be
done,
and
I
just
hope
that
I
don't
know
where
the
city
is
limited,
but
it
would
be
nice
if
they
could
send
messages
up
to
the
state
level
that
we
can
only
do
so
much
at
the
city
level,
but
how
about
the
state
doing
something?
D
Realizing
the
state
is
not
necessarily
a
leader
on
these
things
compared
to
some
of
the
others.
O
I'll
just
say:
a
lot
of
this
came
from
the
thousands
of
river
cleanups
that
have
been
done
over
the
years
by
by
us
and
national
greenworks
and
riverlink,
and
you
know
the
the
realization
that
we
weren't
going
to
clean
our
way
out
of
this
mess.
You
know:
we've
cleaned
the
swana
now
10
times
some
summers
and
it'd
be
just
as
bad
every
time
and
so
putting
our
energy
towards
something
that
might
reduce
that
for
the
next
cleanup.
But
I
do.
O
I
don't
think
this
will
be
the
the
only
solution,
but
hopefully
one
of
many.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
michael
kim
you're
up
next.
Q
I
do
really
love
this
effort
and
support
what
you're
doing
I'm
just
curious
about
how
you
chose
the
items
that
you
did
and
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
phase,
two
three
four
to
to
kind
of
go
further
with
different
types
of
plastic.
H
That's
the
first
part
of
that.
I
think
we
really
wanted
to
get
something
that
would
give
us
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck.
That
would
be
easily
understood
that
we
could
get
implemented.
That
would
be
successful
because
the
more
successful
phase
one
is
the
greater
likelihood
you
can
have
a
phase
two
or
phase
three.
Certainly,
there's
we'd
like
to
eliminate
a
lot
more
plastic,
but
we
figured
this
was
a
great
place
to
start.
Q
Can
I
have
a
follow-up
on
that
and
have
you
considered
the
plastic
bags
for
yard
waste
being
connected
to
the
city's
effort,
or
at
least
some
of
us
in
this
in
the
city,
to
get
that
as
a
ban
as
well?
It
seems
kind
of
odd
that
we're
gonna
put
a
ban
on
plastics
and
then
say:
oh,
but
it's
okay.
If
the
city
still
collects
garbage
bags,
plastic
garbage
bags
with
leaves.
L
Yeah
I
can
answer
that.
The
language
we
used
is
pretty
standard
and
it
is
another
communications
thing
in
terms
of
like
bags
in
a
package
of
other
bags.
We
don't
want
to
ban
trash
bags
necessarily
because
that
opens
a
whole
new
realm
of
worms
to
deal
with
and
that
yard
waste
bag
is
similar
to
that
category,
so
kind
of
like
what
ken
was
referring
to
we.
This
is
a
phase
one
and
hopefully
we'll
the
ball
will
continue
to
move
forward,
as
we,
you
know,
start
winning
these
things.
M
We
found
that
it
introduced
a
little
bit
more
complexity
into
the
ordinance
than
the
other
pieces
that
we
thought
would
be
more
impactful.
It
also
potentially
introduced
more
costs,
because
the
some
of
the
plant-based
alternatives
to
that
service
wear
are
are
more
costly
in
comparison
to
the
alternatives
to
the
other
items.
So
this
is
something
we've
considered.
M
M
So
we
would
be
a
little
bit
more
tip
of
the
sphere
if
we
tackled
that
issue
right
away
as
well,
but
certainly
we
agree
that
there's
always
more
to
be
done,
and
we
hope
that
this
this
could
be
just
a
first
step,
but
we
wanted
to
stick
with
something
that
would
be
somewhat
simple
and
easy
for
the
public
and
to
understand
and
for
businesses
to
implement
and
also
something
that
would
kind
of
get
the
low
hanging
fruit
and
be
the
most
impactful,
at
least
as
a
first
step.
C
Great
thank
you
susannah
for
that
clarification
to
bring
the
public
up
to
speed
that
may
not
be
following
along
virtually,
but
on
the
phone.
C
Anna
made
a
comment
in
the
chat
that
the
charleston
van
has
a
ban
on
plastic
bags
that
are
four
millimeters
thick
and
no
fee
or
four
millimeters
or
less
ann
keller
had
a
question.
How
many
surveys
were
sent
out
to
get
the
60
replies?
If
someone
could
respond
to
that.
H
I
think
over
500
were
sent
out
by
the
chamber
of
commerce
plus
heir
sent
out
to
their
members.
So
I
don't
know
how
many,
but
I'm
at
least
500
percent
out.
C
I
Yep
sorry,
I
raised
my
hand
again.
I
see
jess
has
her
hand
raised
so
mike.
Well
my
questions
I'm
going
to
segue
right
into
you,
because
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
about
who's
paying
and
is
there
extra
burden
on
the
city
as
a
result
of
implementing
this
who's
paying
for
the
bags
who's
paying
for
the
education
campaign,
and
is
there
going
to
be
an
additional
burden
on
city
staff?
So
that's
just
and
then
maybe
jess
could
ask
her
questions
too.
O
Yeah,
our
targeted
budget,
as
I
mentioned,
was
was
fifty
thousand.
I
I
don't
think
we
need
fifty
thousand,
but
we
wanna
we
wanna
shoot
for
that
and
the
places
we
think
we
can
get
that
money
are
potentially
the
city
of
asheville,
but
not
not
totally
reliant
on
that
and
and
grant
sources,
particularly
the
community
foundation.
We
think,
is
a
very
likely
source
to
get
some
funds.
They
have
a
fund
specific
to
water
quality
in
buncombe,
county
and
mountain.
H
Q
O
A
R
R
Thanks
yeah,
so
I
still
have
some
questions,
even
though
it's
tried
to
be
clarified,
but
I
still
have
some
questions
about
really
what
is
being
proposed
to
be
banned.
So
I've
made
quite
a
few
comments
already
on
the
on
the
draft
ordinance,
and
I
know
that
we'll
meet
later
to
discuss
those,
but
so
there's
the
words
polystyrene
and
styrofoam
right.
So
styrofoam
is
a
brand
name
and
it
is
one
type
of
polystyrene,
but
in
the
in
the
draft
ordinance
you
talk
about
prohibitions
on
polystyrene.
R
That
would
include
that
expanded
polystyrene,
which
is
like
the
fluffy
styrofoam
stuff
right.
But
then
you
also
talk
about
hard,
polystyrene
and
oriented
polystyrene,
which
might
include
like
forks
and
knives
and
utensils
and
solid
clam
shells.
So
I
don't
to
me
it
gets
confusing
if
we
say
like
we're
telling
a
restaurant,
you
can
have
plastic
service
wear,
but
it
can't
be
made
out
of
polystyrene.
R
So
then
are
people
like
well,
I'm
looking
for
a
p-e-t
fork
or
I'm
looking
for
this
other
plastic
fork,
and
it
also
defines
disposable
plastic
wear
as
plastic
or
polystyrene,
and
that
people
could
ask
for
it
just
like
they
can.
A
straw,
so
I
think
I
just
need
some
clarity
around
that,
like
you
know,
is
it
only
polystyrene?
Is
it
only
expanded,
polystyrene.
H
You're
deferred
to
suzanne,
not
susanna,
but
hannah.
L
So
I
I
would
need
to
go
back
into
the
ordinance
to
look
at
all
the
definitions,
but
it
would
include
polystyrene
takeout
containers
and
I
I
don't
remember
how
it's
defined,
which
is
my
fault.
I
should
go
back
and
look
at
that
and
whether
that's
expanded,
polystyrene
or
not,
and
then
the
disposable
plastic
service
wear
cannot
be
polystyrene,
but
it
can
be
plastic
pet
and
it's
a
on
request.
Only
policy,
okay,.
R
Does
that
mean
yeah,
I
don't
yeah.
I
don't
think
that's
what
the
draft
ordinance
that
I
have
says
like
it
does,
define
it
as
plastic
or
polystyrene,
but
yeah
just
maybe
cleaning
that
up
and
getting
some
clarity
around
those
things.
Yeah
for
sure
that's
good
feedback.
I
also
don't
know
what
the
percentage
of
you
know.
If
you,
if
you
go
to
buy
plastic
forks,
are
they
mostly
p-e-t?
Are
they
mostly
polystyrene?
I
just
I
don't
know
so
I'm
curious
what
impact
that
would
have.
L
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question
and
honestly
we
kind
of
just
copied
what
other
municipalities
put
as
their
definitions.
So
it's
worth
going
in
and
cleaning
up.
H
R
Great,
thank
you,
since
kim
brought
it
up
also
about
the
yard
waste
bags,
all
right.
R
That
is
something
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
quite
a
while,
at
least
within
the
maybe
in
the
subcommittee
and
just
at
the
city
in
general,
not
putting
a
ban
on
trash
bags
in
general,
but
requiring
that
residents
either
use
those
compostable
paper
leaf
bags
or
a
reusable
container
in
our
yard
waste
operations
and
that's
an
operational
change
that
doesn't
require
any
you
know.
State
support
it
just
would
require
an
ordinance
change
in
how
we
do
our
operations,
so
so
that
is
something
that
I
I
am
really
would
like
to
get
feedback.
R
G
I
do
I
may
be
wrong,
but
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
the
ordinance
together
live
on
at
this
meeting.
If
we're
going
to
make
any
vote
on
it
next
time
we
haven't
done
that
yet
we're
talking
all
about
the
presentation
and
referring
to
the
to
the
ordinance,
but
we
haven't
shared
it.
We
haven't
talked
it
through
and
I
think
we
have
to
do
that.
C
A
Now,
while
here
is
doing
that,
I
had
a
couple
questions
that
came
up,
and
this
is
just
thinking
about
logistics.
Do
we
have
a
handle
on
how
many
businesses
would
be
impacted
and
like
how
much?
Who
who
it
is
that
we
need
to
reach
when
we
think
about
rolling
this
out
and
what
the
scope
of
that
education
would
be.
O
O
I
I
don't
know
the
number
but
bridget.
Some
of
your
previous
recommendations
on
outreach
were
were
helpful.
Already
I
talked
to
mountain
biz
works
and
and
they're
actually
doing
a
a
business
survey
already
or
they're
doing
one
soon
and
they
that
covers
like
a
thousand
businesses.
Now
I
don't
know
if
that's
all
city
of
asheville,
but
there
I
think,
they're
willing
to
help
us
do
some
outreach.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
know
the
number,
but
I
know
that
we're
gonna
shoot
as
widely
and
broadly
as
we
can
to
reach
as
many
as
possible.
A
And
then
I
don't
know
if
you
did
any
it
sounded
like
this
time
when
we
had
the
conversation
that
there
needed
to
be
some
kind
of
a
a
long-term
strategy
for
making
bags
available
to
community
members
and
how
that
would
be
rolled
out.
Do
you
have
any
estimates
on
like
what
that
looks
like
or
how
long
that
process
has
gone
in
other
places,.
O
I
don't
know
that
I
did,
but
I
think
and
so
feel
free
to
chime
in
anybody
else,
but
I
think
there's
a
fine
line
that
we've
heard-
and
I
think
I
might
have
mentioned
this
before-
but
you
know
originally,
we
thought
well
we'll
just
get
a
hundred
thousand
bags
or
two
hundred
thousand
bags,
but
there
there's
a
point
where
it
defeats
the
purpose
of
reducing
plastic
if
you're
making
reusable
bags
sort
of
disposable,
and
so
I
think,
while
you
know
right
right
now,
we're
talking
about
a
two-year
you're
talking
about
a
year
leading
up
and
a
year
after
I
mean
you
may
make
a
good
point
like
I
think
at
some
point,
we'd
probably
want
to
get
out
of
the
the
reusable
bag
distribution.
O
But
when
is
the
right
point,
I
don't
know
we
might
have
to
just
assess
that
as
we
as
we
go,
I
mean
at
some
point
you'd
hope
that
it
would
just
become
part
of
what
people
do.
O
But
it
may
be
that
a
year
after
is
not
nearly
enough,
it
may
be
five
years
after
might
be
the
right
time.
So
I
think
we're
open
to
looking
at
that
and
invest
in
that
in
that
time.
If
we
need
to.
O
Do
you
want
to
kind
of
go
through
the
highlights
I
mean
the
ordinance?
Is
I
don't
think
we
want
to
read
it
right,
but
maybe
just
hit
the
highlights
which
we,
which
we've
really
hit
you
know
in
talking.
We've
talked
around
a
lot
of
it,
but.
G
Could
you
make
it
a
little
bit
bigger,
it's
probably
hard
for
other
people
to
read,
even
though
you
can
expand
your
screen.
Thank
you.
L
The
first
section
really
defines
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
which
businesses
will
take
part
or
feel
the
effect
of
the
ordinance
and
that's
most
grocery
stores,
retailers
and
restaurants.
L
L
We
define
plastic,
we
define
single
use
bags,
trying
to
think
what
else
might
be.
Oh,
here's,
the
disposable
plastic
ware.
G
G
C
I
would
suggest,
maybe
that
we
take
notes
of
all
the
comments
that
were
suggested
today
and
then
perhaps
we
bring
this
to
the
working
group
to
get
a
final
draft
before
it's
proposed
to
pull
stacy
board
in
the
july
meeting.
How
does
everybody
feel
about
that?
How
does
the
waste
reduction
working
group
feel
about
that?
Because
that's
who
will
be
doing
the
work.
I
H
G
G
C
G
C
C
I
would
suggest
after
the
working
group
gets
it
final.
Maybe
it
can
be
distributed
to
stacy
the
full
safety
board
well
before
that
july
meeting,
so
that
we
can
also
individually
word
smith,
if
necessary,
great.
L
Do
we
keep
going
through
the
ordinance
okay,
so
the
second
sec
second
section
is
defines
what
the
prohibition
on
single-use
plastic
bags
is
just
saying.
Retailers
cannot
have
a
plastic
bag
at
checkout.
L
L
K
No,
I
don't
think
so.
I
had
no
mine
had
gone
to
the
warehouse
clubs
where
you're
talking
about
the
legal
authority.
That's
the
only
specific
language
issue
that
I
had.
I
I'm
just
going
back
to
jeff's
comment
about
the
leaf
bags,
and
so
I
guess
I
guess
it
goes
back
to
the
definition.
It
is
a
single
use,
plastic
bag,
but
it's
not
a
point
of
sale,
plastic
bag.
So
is
that
the
difference.
L
Does
that
make
sense,
because
we're
not
we're
also
not
including
pet
waste
bags,
and
things
like
that?
Okay,.
I
L
Okay,
anything
else
on
section
two,
so
section
three:
we
go
into
the
paper
bags
that
can
be
offered
and
the
fees
attached
to
them.
L
L
I'm
not
sure
if
we
covered
this,
but
the
idea
behind
that
is
to
help
offset
the
cost
for
paper,
because
it's
more
expensive
and
to
help
businesses
kind
of
be
on
our
side.
About
switching
over
to
this.
L
Exactly
section
4
is
the
section
on
polystyrene
anna
are
the
fees.
L
Collect
they're
they're
required
because
it
is
that
fee
that
creates
behavior
change.
So
if
there
wasn't
a
fee
attached,
people
would
just
show
up
to
the
store
and
rely
on
a
paper
bag
to
take
their
stuff
out
of
the
store.
That's
what
social
science
is
showing
so
with
that
fee,
people
feel
it
in
their
pocket
books
and
so
they're
more
likely
to
bring
their
reusable
bags
with
them
into
the
store,
and
we
want
the
retailers
to
keep
that
fee
so
that
it's
not
confusing.
L
L
H
L
I
I
guess
I
think
I
agree
with
anna
that
anna
p,
that
that
was
confusing
so
like
with
it
says
the
businesses
may
retain
the
fee,
but
you're
saying
that
they
actually
will
retain
the
fee.
I
L
Okay,
so
oh
wait,
there's
more
bridgette.
Did
you
have
a
question.
A
I
have
something
just
a
comment
on
section
four:
if
we're,
if
we're
there,
just
that
as
you're
doing
your
outreach,
if
you
can
think
about
kind
of
keeping
track
of
how
many
of
these
affected
businesses
are
minority
or
women-owned
businesses,
you
know
the
city
has
done
a
lot
of
work
to
develop
a
business
inclusion
policy
and
we
would
hate
for
this
to
be
in
conflict
and
would
want
to
know
who
those
vendors
are
so
that
we
could
work
with
them.
So
they're
not
getting
excluded
from
city.
G
It
occurs
to
me,
and
maybe
this
is
just
my
experience,
because
I've
worked
in
other
governments,
it
should
say
city,
government
or
something
because
you
can't
tell
the
county
what
to
do
right
and
you
can't
tell
the
state.
So
when
you're
talking
about
government
facilities,
don't
you
have
to
be
clear?
Oh
there's
city
government,
but
it
says
here
any
government,
so
I
guess
I
would
go
back
through
and
carefully
or
make.
Maybe
in
your
definition,
government
said
city.
I
don't
know.
G
L
G
L
A
I
would
also
raise
something:
that's
come
up
from
our
staff.
Is
that
if
this
isn't
a
ban,
that's
written
into
an
ordinance
right?
That's
that's
a
regulation.
We
can't
require
it
above
and
beyond.
In
our
event,
space
we've
gotten
some
pushback
from
that
in
the
past.
L
Okay,
yeah:
I
would
love
help
drafting
that
language
just
because
of
the
technicalities.
H
You're
saying
the
cherokee
center
is
a
city-owned
government
facility.
A
H
L
L
And
then
the
implementation
just
says
that
the
effective
date
would
be
sometimes
six
months
to
12
months
after
the
adoption
by
city
council.
L
And
then
that
covered
businesses
should
have
a
sign
detailing
the
specifics
of
the
ordinance
and
what
it
how
it
affects
that
particular
business.
G
L
A
G
R
One
thing
that
I
forgot
to
mention
earlier-
and
this
is
maybe
goes
to
number
two
and
section
six-
you
know
just
figuring
out
which
covered
how
to
communicate
with
covered
businesses.
During
the
presentation
you
mentioned
the
business
licensing
process,
and
so
we
were
informed
that
there
is
no
business
licensing
process.
We
haven't
had
that
for
maybe
10
years,
but
that
authority
was
taken
away
from
cities
or
is
not
part
of
city
processes.
So
there's
not
some
easy.
O
So
I
think
probably
thinking
through
how
do
we
work
that
to
say
that
we're
going
to
you
know
give
notice,
but,
like
you
wouldn't
have
you
wouldn't
want
to
be
required
to
put
a
piece
of
paper
in
every
single
business's
mailbox
so
yeah?
I
think
I
think
that's
that's
a
good
one
too,
and-
and
I
think
the
the
other
one
that
this
you
know
requiring
them
to
display
signage
might
be.
O
F
G
H
Yeah
or
maybe
it
says
something
like
the
city
will
undertake
educational
efforts
to
communicate
the
new
requirements
to
to
businesses
and
consumers,
or
something
like
that.
G
C
L
G
R
So
just
another
reason
to
you
know
model
it
after
some
of
our
other
warning
violation,
citation
processes
is
like,
if
you
say,
100
for
first
offense
and
200
for
second
offense
like
is
that
you
know
consecutive
days
is
it
you
did
you
did
it
on
tuesday?
R
Then
what
happens
wednesday
than
what
happens
thursday,
so
some
of
our
ordinances
are
written
where
it's
like
you're
charged
100
a
day
until
you
come
into
compliance,
so
just
thinking
about
it
in
that
way,
instead
of
it
as
a
one-time
offense,
because
otherwise
maybe
somebody
would
just
pay
the
fee.
The
one
time
yeah.
G
I
was
thinking
the
same
sort
of
thing:
if
you
don't
have
it,
if
it
doesn't
create
a
motivation
to
comply,
then
it
really
doesn't
matter,
but
if
you
did
it
every
single
time,
it's
100
or
200,
or
whatever
every
single
time
that
you,
you
could
run
up
a
bill
pretty
fast
and
you
might
not
want
to
do
that.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
adjustment.
R
S
Yeah
there
are
some
limitations.
This
is
brad
everybody.
There
are
some
limitations
on
how
we
can
structure
the
fines
for
any
sort
of
a
breach
of
a
local
ordinance.
We
try
to
be
as
specific
as
be
possible
about
those
things,
but
there
is
a
certain
point
where
we
treat
them
in
the
nature
of
a
debt
and
don't
continue
to
rack
up
fines.
S
We,
in
other
words,
undergo
a
legal
process
in
order
to
either
enforce
the
ordinance
or
take
some
other
action
that
would
be
necessary
to
perhaps
enjoy
the
activity,
but
but
we
allow
that
to
be
somewhat
subjective.
So
we
can
make
the
best
decision
about
when
to
employ
those
tactics
as
possible,
but
I
think
everything
that
jess
said
is
exactly
the
kind
of
analysis
that
we
would
go
through
in
determining
and
and
memorializing
the
kind
of
structure
that
you
see
elsewhere
in
our
ordinances.
H
C
Well,
as
kira
commented,
the
stacey
waste
reduction
working
group
is
currently
scheduled
for
june,
8th
at
2
p.m.
So
those
on
the
waste
reduction
working
group
are
is
alison,
kim
and
maggie.
I
believe
kira's,
the
staff
city
liaison
and
I'm
sure,
brad
and
jess
you're
welcome
to
attend.
C
I'm
sure
that
they
would
appreciate
your
input.
Are
there
any
final
questions
regarding
the
ordinance
before
we
move
on
to
public
comment.
C
C
All
right,
if
there
are
no
further
questions,
I
just
had
one
public
comment
and
it
was
actually
technically
from
sage
turner
who
is
out
because
she
is
ill
today.
She
wanted
me
to
let
you
all
know
that
council
awarded
arpa
grants.
They
set
aside
6
million
for
projects,
while
some
had
minor
environmental
impacts,
500
000
towards
cleanliness.
Nothing
was
directly
related
to
the
environment,
they're
also
announcing
the
tpdf
applications
this
friday
with
council's
agenda
and
live
at
tuesday's
meeting.
C
They
are
queuing
up
for
the
potential
ban
on
plastic
bags,
so
she
is
aware
of
it.
So
that's
great
to
hear
it
may
move
forward
as
the
first
north
carolina
city
to
attempt
this
durham
has
a
similar
program
of
some
sort
and
it
may
not
move
forward
at
all.
Only
time
will
tell
mountain
true
and
the
sierra
club
have
more
info.
C
There
is
a
petition.
Excuse
me,
there
is
a
petition
circulating
as
well.
It's
quite
possible.
The
biggest
and
best
thing
we've
done
for
our
environment
recently
was
last
night
residents
pushed
forward
a
very
strong
environmental
council,
candidate,
maggie
ullman,
who
rose
to
the
top
of
the
votes
and
once
ran
the
city
sustainability
department.
I
believe
in
bridget's
position.
A
And
just
to
clarify
the
city
did
approve
arpa
funds
for
the
green
belts
alliance
to
do
energy
efficiency
and
renewable
energy
work
in
our
low
income
community.
So
awesome.