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B
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
stephen
lee
johnson,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
december
7th,
downtown
design
review
committee
meeting.
Our
committee
meets
to
basically
review
projects
that
are
coming
before
the
downtown
commission.
We
review
overall
designs,
general
compliance
and
oftentimes,
make
requests
or
suggestions
to
development
teams.
B
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
nowadays,
we're
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
community
page.
B
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
live
by
phone
by
calling
for
those
of
you
that
are
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome,
I
think,
I'm
gonna
do
a
roll
call
now
looks
like
everyone
is
here
I'll,
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
and
acknowledge
those
that
are
participating
virtually
today.
B
Please
make
sure
each
of
y'all
that
your
microphone,
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
you'd
like
to
speak
un
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name
now.
If
you
will
please
say
a
quick
hello,
brian
moffitt,
hello,
robin
reigns,
hello,
hello,
pam,
winkler,
hello,
great,
so
that's
everyone,
I
believe,
so
to
help
the
audience
follow
along
I'll
state
each
section
of
the
agenda.
B
A
Okay
thanks,
so
we
really
only
have
one
item
on
the
agenda
today
and
that
is
a
new
project
on
woodfin
street.
C
D
Okay,
thank
you,
everyone
for
taking
the
time
to
meet
with
us
virtually
this
morning.
My
name
is
peter
alvarez.
I'm
the
director
of
the
asheville
office
of
nha
works,
who
are
the
lead
designers
for
the
four
points
project
and
we'll
be
in
the
rule
of
art,
eric
howell
who's,
a
project
manager
and
sid
chatters
she's,
going
to
be
the
project
architect,
so
we're
the
team
of
three
here
on
the
architectural
side,
civil
design
concepts.
D
They
will
be
the
civil
engineer,
consultant
team
for
the
project
and
we
have
chris
day
and
warren
sugg
here
as
well,
we're
fairly
early
in
the
the
design
process
and
it's
an
appropriate
time
to
meet
with
the
design
committee
with
the
downtown
commission.
We've
you've
seen
us
come
before
on
other
projects.
D
I
believe
the
last
one
was
72
broadway
last
year
and
we've
had
other
projects
before
that
project
as
well.
We
have
always
felt
very
positive
about
these
meetings.
We've
always
received
excellent
information
and
feedback
that
have
helped
make
our
projects
more
successful,
particularly
the
suggestions
on
the
72
broadway
project
that
really
made
it
a
better
project
all
around
and
sincerely
appreciate
the
effort
that
this
committee
puts
into
providing
feedback
and
information
to
designers.
D
This
project
is
much
larger
than
the
72
broadway
project
in
terms
of
its
height
and
scope.
It's
on
the
site
of
the
existing
sheridan
four
points,
property
which
was
built.
We
believe
probably
the
late
60s
early
70s.
It's
a
four
and
a
half
story,
hotel
that
sits
in
the
middle
of
a
parking
lot,
bordered
on
two
sides
by
the
interstate
highway.
One
side
by
central
avenue
and
the
main
public
street
is
the
is
of
course
woodfin
street.
E
Hey
peter,
would
you
like
for
me
to
present
up
the
site
plan
just
to
talk
from
yeah?
I
know
you
guys
have
all
the
other
stuff
I
didn't
know
if
it
would
help
just.
D
Yeah
go
ahead
and
put
put
the
side
plate
up
and
then
we'll
go
through
it
from
a
site
standpoint.
Then
we
have
a
series
of
3d
model
images
that
we'd
like
to
share
as
well.
So.
D
The
majority
of
the
building
that
you
see
here
that's
existing
is
four
and
a
half
stories
tall
with
a
one-story
wing
that
encompasses
a
lobby
and
a
restaurant
and
some
meeting
space
and
some
outdoor
amenity
space.
The
part
that
you
see
in
blue
outline
is
the
footprint
of
the
proposed
new
building.
Now
what
we're
right
now?
D
I'm
sorry
the
bar
room,
the
ballroom
is
now
the
restaurant,
which
will
be
moved
to
another
part
of
the
building.
The
hotel
rooms
themselves
will
be
renovated
under
a
separate
contract
by
a
different
interior,
sperm
and
contractor.
It's
mainly
changing
out
furniture
and
finishes,
and
things
like
that,
we
will
be
working
on
the
facade
of
the
existing
building
to
have
it
match,
with
the
proposed
side
of
our
new
building.
D
So
that's
the
other
pieces
of
this
that
warren
is
showing
the
red
lines
indicate
some
type
of
retaining
wall
structure.
D
F
Yeah
to
peter
to
speak
to
the
the
driveways
you
made
reference.
You
know,
with
with
this
being
really
a
a
retrofit
on
the
existing
building
and
keeping
the
existing
much
of
the
existing
surface
parking,
the
existing
building
and
so
forth.
F
We
we
did
recognize
that
the
the
two
curb
cuts
that
are
on
woodfin
street
are
are
not
ideal
in
terms
of
where
they're
located,
so
we
were
proposing
to
to
shift
the
east
one
over
so
that
it
aligns
with
with
mark
as
a
market
or
the
one
over,
have
it
aligned
and
then
also
the
there's,
a
really
wide
one
adjacent
to
i240,
and
so
we're
proposing
to
kind
of
narrow
that
drive
down
and
pull
it
away
from
the
interstate
on-ramp
a
little
bit
and
we've
we've
already
started
some
some
conversations
with
city
transportation
staff
about
that,
so
that
those
those
get
narrowed
down
and
improved
for
pedestrian
access
across
across
through
there
warren
is
there
anything
else
on
on
your
end,
regards
the
site
before.
E
No,
I
think
that
hits
it.
I
just
wanted
to
throw
this
up
if
needed.
I
know
peter's
group.
It's
got
a
lot
more
to
show.
D
Let's
go
to
the
let's.
F
The
other
thing
I'll
note,
while
we're
moving
to
peter's
sheets
we
are
woodfin,
is
a
key
pedestrian
corridor,
so
we're
providing,
I
think,
12-foot
sidewalks
along
woodfin
and
then
the
I
think
central
is
warren.
Is
that
that's
not
a
key
pedestrian
corridor
and
I
think
that's
still
a
10-foot
sidewalk.
E
That's
right-
and
I
think
the
other
thing
it
made
me
think
of
too
and
we'll
see
it
in
peter's
diagrams,
but
along
woodfin
yeah
we've
got
that
that
frontage
of
the
parking
deck
that
would
be
that
would
have
some
facade.
That
would
be
usable
space.
F
Yeah
we've
got
the
along
woods
and
we've
got
the
20
foot
of
habitable
space
as
a
requirement
for
in
front
of
the
parking
area.
So
good
good
thought.
G
A
F
D
D
The
site
is
relatively
low
compared
to
the
rest
of
downtown
it.
If
we
think
that
when
240
was
built,
a
lot
of
the
land
from
where
this
existing
hotel
is
located
was
excavated
and
used
to
build
up
that
porsche
area
of
240
adjacent
to
it.
So
it's
down
in
a
hole
pretty
much
from
the
lower
part
from
or
from
the
upper
part
of
downtown
in
scale.
It's.
D
The
intention
is
to
divide
the
building
mass
into
four
or
five
elements
that,
whereas
the
building
will
be
connected
internally
for
circulation
and
exiting
the
intent,
is
to
break
the
mass
down
so
that
it
appears
to
be
multiple
buildings
in
a
building
block.
So
what
you
see
on
the
left
hand
side
before
the
recess,
that
would
be
one
building.
The
building
that
has
the
green
roof
element
that
would
be
is
another
building
the
building
has
a
round
corner
would
be
a
third
building,
and
the
other
portion
facing
woodfin
street
would
be
the
fourth
building.
D
So
we're
and
we'll
probably
divide
that
fourth
building,
possibly
into
two
components,
so
that
there'll
be
a
total
of
five
buildings
shown
now.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
use
a
material
palette.
This
is
just
for
destruction
and
fire
right
now,
but
a
material
path,
that's
compatible
with
the
materials
in
downtown
asheville,
but
also
we
introduced
some
other
materials
that
may
be
appropriate,
so
we're
looking
at
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen
some
type
of
panel.
D
Be
used
in
one
portion
of
the
building
different
colors
of
brick,
a
lot
of
use
of
glass,
particularly
along
the
street
level,
at
one
fit
the
image.
The
upper
right
side
indicates
how
we
would
or
an
opportunity
to
split
a
building
component
so
that
there
would
be
a
glass
separator
between
two
building
elements
that
would
have
different
types
of
materials,
but
yet
their
floors
would
align.
D
So
we're
spending
a
lot
of
time
now,
looking
at
strategies
to
break
this
massive
building
up
into
elements
that
would
read
as
separate
buildings,
but
still
be
in
a
unified
project,
we
want
to
use
green
roofs
as
much
as
possible
to
mitigate
the
loss
of
the
pervious
soil.
That's
on
the
site
right
now,
and
also
to
provide
us
an
outside
space
that
resonates
or
uses
on
the
upper
part
of
the
building
can
not
just
look
down
on
a
roof
and
look
down
on
a
grass
area.
D
D
So
it'll
be
similar
to
the
restaurant
and
bar
this
on
the
top
of
the
ac
hotel,
and
that
is
open
to
the
public
and
to
the
desks
of
the
hotel
and,
of
course,
the
residents
in
the
building
at
the
round
portion
or
the
current
portion
of
the
building
on
the
top
there's,
an
outdoor
amenity
space
for
the
condominium
owners
and
their
nds
and
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
curved
portion.
That's
kind
of
behind
the
tree
will
be
a
3
500
square
foot.
D
Earth
fare
store,
the
developer
of
the
property
dennis
hulson.
He
and
his
group
have
bought
up
all
the
available
earth
fare
stores
out
of
bankruptcy
last
year
and
he's
been
slowly
renovating
them
and
reopening
them
and
what
he
wants
to
do
is
open
up
an
earth
fare
in
this
building
at
street
level
that
would
be
serviced
every
day
or
so
from
the
earth
fair
in
west
asheville
over
west
gate
along
woodford
street.
D
Look
at
the
other
yeah
along
there,
underneath
where
it
shows
as
a
dark
gray,
charcoal
band
that,
which
is
where
the
parking
garage
will
be
they'll,
be
activated
there'll,
be
two
retail
spaces.
One!
That's
at
the
corner
of
wood,
finish
central
avenue,
then
there'll
be
another
one
in
the
middle
another
small
retail
space,
then
there's
the
garage
entry
and
then
next
to
that
will
be
the
lobby
and
entry
into
the
condominium
building
and
then
to
the.
D
All
that
will
be
the
earth
fare
storm
that
will
again
it's
about
3,
500
square
feet
of
interior
space
and
probably
three
or
four
hundred
square
feet
of
outside
diving
space
for
when
the
weather's
nice.
D
A
H
D
The
total
square
footage,
including
the
existing
hotel
and
the
parking,
is
about
450
000
square
feet.
So
it's
relatively
a
large
project,
so
we
identified
early
on
and
need
to
really
break
this
down
into
more
building
elements
that
more
in
scale
with
the
adjacent
properties
you
want
to
go
to
the
floor
plans
yeah.
Let's
look
at
the
floor
plans
give
us
a
second
okay.
This
diagram
here
shows
the
the
mix
of
the
building
uses.
D
The
part
that's
in
the
light
green,
that's
the
existing
hotel
that
will
remain
as
is
pretty
much
the
light
blue
going
up
will
be
the
kind
of
minion
portion
of
the
building
the
crosshatch
part
within
the
kind
of
media
space.
Those
are
public
spaces.
The
two
retail
spaces
to
the
right-hand
side
and
in
the
middle
is
the
earth
fair
store.
D
The
cream-colored
footprint,
that's
where
the
apartment
building
will
be
and
adjoining
that
to
the
left
is
a
a
new
entry
to
the
hotel,
which
will
be
underneath
the
apartment
portion
of
the
building.
Now
the
hotel
engine
will
be
there
where
the
hand
is
over
opposite
that
that
area
right
there
will
be
the
entry
to
the
apartment
building
and
then
overall
woodford
street
will
be
the
entry
to
the
condominium
building.
So
we
have
multiple
entrances
into
the
different
functions
of
the
overall
project.
D
The
next
drawing
the
next
several
drives.
It
shows
underground
parking,
that's
below
the
condominium.
We
have
about
145
structured
parking
spaces
warren.
I
can't
remember
how
many
total
that
we
have,
but
we
have
enough
to
way
more
than
adequately
serve
the
hotel
in
the
condominium
based
on
zoning
ordinance
and
the
need
for
one
parking
space
for
every
two
hotel
rooms.
D
So
as
this
steps
up
through
the
building
go
to
the
this
is
the
the
view
that
shows
what's
happening
at
street
level.
On
the
left-hand
side,
that's
the
earth
fair
store
where
the
entry
at
the
corner
and
the
outdoor
plaza
space
that
adjoins
it
and
as
we
move
right,
there's
a
condominium
lobby
which
has
exit
stair
and
elevator
seating
area,
mail,
room
place
for
bike
storage,
shipping
and
receiving
things
like
that,
and
then,
of
course,
the
entry
into
the
parking
garage
itself,
which
is
recessed
back
from
the
street.
D
Then
next
we
are
two
retail
spaces
that
face
woodfin
and
then
behind.
It
is
the
structured
part
with
a
ramp
that
leads
up
and
down
to
the
five
levels
of
parking.
Then
on
above
up
above
that,
let's
get
these
to
go
to
the
floor
plan.
Some
typical
level.
D
D
This
will
be
inside
space
for
them,
similar
to
what's
it
at
cc
north
market
and
then
an
outside
terrace
space
and
then
on
up
to
the
top
level
of
the
apartment.
Building
is
the
rooftop
restaurant
that
has
inside
and
outside
dining
with
direct
elevator
access
from
the
hotel
lobby,
so
guests
coming
to
the
site
and
park
or
walk
to
the
to
the
front
entry
and
take
an
elevator
up
to
this
level.
So
there'll
be
a
kitchen
of
course,
restrooms
and
dining
area
and
outside
a
bar
area
and
outside
dining
as
well.
D
Yeah
this
is
these
elevations
again,
please
keep
in
mind
that
we
have
not
made
any
selections
yet
in
terms
of
materials
and
finishes.
This
is
this,
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
amount
of
glass
opening
the
size
of
the
balconies,
where
the
recesses
are?
What
potential
shadow
lines
can
look
like
things
like
that?
D
I
think
so
you
guys
have
anything
else.
You
want
to
add
to
that
right
now
that
everyone
that's
where
we
are
right
now
we're
our
the
scope
of
well
the
timing
on
the
project
we
realize
we're
at
the
beginning
of
the
entitlement
phase
of
the
project.
D
in
conversation
with
the
owner
last
week.
What
they're
thinking
about
is
trying
to
we've
got
to
vet
this
internally
first,
but
they're
interested
in
possibly
letting
a
core
and
shell
permit
out
earlier
from
sometime
mid-summer
in
order
to
have
that
portion
of
the
work
under
construction
by
maybe
late
summer,
maybe
early
fall,
but
a
little
bit
before
november.
First,
I
don't
know
if
that's
feasible
or
not,
but
currently
the
schedule
is
to
have
permits
in
hand
and
ready
for
construction.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
peter
and
chris
and
warren
I'm
going
to
open
this
up
to
the
committee
members
now
to
discuss
pam.
I
think
you
had
a
question.
G
D
D
D
I
I
Yeah
so
peter
you're
you're
coming
back
to
us.
This
is
just
kind
of
a
preliminary
first
shot
correct,
so
we're
gonna
see
this
again
with
materials
and
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
D
We're
to
be
we're
going
to
be
spending
a
lot
of
time
together.
Okay,
perfect
pay
attention
just
so
everyone
knows
we
feel
we
need
to
meet
with
you
at
least
three
times,
maybe
more,
and
we
will
hope
that
we
could
maybe
schedule
these,
so
they
could
be
more
often
than
once
a
month
in
order
to
help
with
our
process
and
our
design.
Thinking
to
do
that,
we
would
certainly
appreciate
that
very
much.
I
But
go
ahead!
No!
No!
No.
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
a
quick
comments,
one.
I
do
appreciate
and
agree
with
the
the
a
couple
of
design
decisions,
one
I
kept
going
back
and
forth
as
you
were
going
through
it
as
to
if
there
was
a
way
to
activate
central
any
better
than
than
what
you
have.
I
feel
like.
I
understand
why
you
did
the
massive
decisions.
The
way
you
did
why
you
put
the
bulk
of
the
mass
kind
of
up
against
240..
I
I
don't
disagree
with
that.
I
think
that's
actually,
probably
the
right
move.
I
was
going
around
in
my
head
as
you
were,
showing
it.
I
also
appreciate
and
agree
with
taking
the
building
and
and
making
it
even
though
it's
one
large,
complex,
you're
you're
going
to
make
it
look
like
several
different
buildings.
So
it's
in
a
in
an
urban
context.
I
think
that's
right.
So
a
couple
of
things
one
just
in
massing:
they
don't
look.
I
Maybe
it's!
Maybe
it's
going
to
come
out
in
the
materials
peter,
so
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
say
it,
but
I'm
also
withholding
judgment.
If
that
that
makes
any
sense
is
that
they
don't
look
different
enough
to
me
right
now.
Part
of
that
is
that
the
window,
maybe
it's
the
horizontality
of
the
thing,
maybe
it's
the
windows
are
so
similar
in
the
different
blocks
that
and
maybe
that's
going
to
come
out
in
the
material
choices
and
and
how
you
do
that.
I
But
right
now
I
see
the
different
buildings,
but
I
also
don't
see
the
different
buildings
they
very
much
look
and
again,
that's
probably
just
a
result
of
like
you
said.
I
appreciate
the
chipboard
model,
we're
all
dating
ourselves.
That's
probably
a
result
of
that,
but
I
would
say,
if
you're
going
to
do
that,
go
ahead
and
push
it
a
little
more
than
you
have
in
terms
of
the
massing
and
the
window
placement
and
and
how
you
arrange
them.
I
Maybe
one
of
them's,
less
punched
openings
and
you
know
you've
got
more
either
vertical
or
horizontal.
I
So
I
would,
I
would
go
that
direction
and
then
my
other
chief
kind
of
thing
right
now
is,
I
feel,
like
central,
is
very
much
the
the
back
side
of
this
project
in
in
a
way
that
I
think
you
can.
I
I
feel
like
you're
gonna
address
it,
you
just
haven't
done
it
yet
and
as
you
move
into
it,
you
can,
but
that
corner
that
we
can
see
right
there
at
central
and
woodfin
is
a
pretty
important
corner
and
I
don't
think
it's
been
designed
quite
yet.
I
So
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you
designed
there
and
and
I'll
keep
going
a
little
bit
more.
I
like
the
curved
piece
on
the
on
the
main
entrance
of
the
corner,
and
I
think
it
you
should
you
should
push
that
a
little
bit
harder
and
I'd
also
like
to
see
that
rooftop
piece
on
that
curved
piece
actually
look
more
like
the
curve,
instead
of
like
a
later
edition
from
a
different
architect,
yeah.
I
think
that's
the
bulk
of
my
comment
so
far.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
brian
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
kind
of
the
obvious,
but
I'm
really
excited
once
again.
We've
got
a
project
coming
before
us
that
has
lots
of
different
uses,
and
I
just
peter
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
pushing
your
clients
in
that
direction.
Again.
I
think
that
the
addition
of
a
potential
grocery
store
downtown
the
downtown
residents
are
going
to
really
appreciate
that,
and
I
think
that
just
agreeing
again
peter
to
kind
of
go
through
the
process.
B
You've
gone
through
before
multi-stages
brought
to
us
each
each
step
of
the
way
and
giving
us
lots
of
time
to
dissect
this
and
digest
that
it
is
a
big,
complex
project,
and
we
just
appreciate
you
informing
your
clients
that
this
is
how
we
need
to
see
this,
because
this
is
going
to
take
a
lot
of
digesting.
B
G
Yeah
I
want
to
echo
the
kudos
for
the
downtown
residents.
I
think
will
be
ecstatic
about
a
downtown
grocery
store
and
also
I
love
seeing
the
green
roofs.
I
had
a
question
about
the
little
green
strip
by
240.
I
don't
know
who
owns
that
land,
but
I
think
that
might
be
a
real
nice
dog
walking
spot
for
all
the
residents
in
the
apartments
and
condos.
G
So
if,
if
you
can
hang
on
to
that,
I
think
it's
great
to
have
somewhere
for
all
the
residents
to
walk
their
dogs,
since
we
seem
to
have
lots
of
those
downtown,
so
I
think
it's
a
great
start
and
having
the
retail
down
there
also
great
great
plans.
D
Much
yeah,
I
was
just
gonna,
say
that
strip
of
land
along
240
belongs
to
the
ncdot,
but
I'm,
but
no
one's
going
to
run
around
checking
to
make
sure
people
aren't
walking
their
dogs
there.
So
I
don't
think
we
can
call
out
a
feature,
but
people
will
use
it
for
that.
B
Thanks
peter
and
pam,
I
had
just
one
general
question:
this
is
a
new
project
and
a
lot
of
our
new
projects.
Everybody
downtown
are
experienced
the
impacts
of
the
tree
preservation
or
the
canopy
preservation
ordinance.
Have
you
all
looked
to
see
what
kind
of
impact
that's
going
to
have
on
you
here
on
this
site.
D
However,
those
trees
are
not-
and
you
guys
want
to
know
more
about
this
than
we
do
but
they're
not
in
that
greatest
shape
and
they're
they're,
probably
overgrown
and
they're
they're
lifting
up
the
sections
of
the
sidewalk,
and
they
probably
all
need
to
be
re-planted,
and
maybe
the
treescape,
and
that
whole
site
needs
to
be
looked
at
as
a
replacement,
rather
than
try
to
preserve
that.
B
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you
peter
it.
It
looks
like
just
you
know:
it's
just
there's
some
canopy
off
of
them,
but
the
it
looks
like
some
diseased
sugar
maples
in
there
as
well,
but
the
one
thing
that,
if
I
could
just
a
thought
on
that,
if
there's
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
any
parking
on
woodfin
right
there,
what
would
be
great
is
if
the
street
trees
that
do
go
back
in
there
could
not
necessarily
be
in
greats
but
worked
into
something
else.
B
That
would
be
a
little
bit
more
will
provide
a
little
bit
more
healthy,
growing
condition
for
them,
but
the
I
was
this
will
be
something
that,
as
y'all
dig
into
it
further
it'll
be
interesting
to
see,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
site
in
general,
not
necessarily
the
existing
street
trees,
but
what
this
canopy
preservation
ordinance
is
going
to
do
to
you.
B
It's
just
interesting
to
follow
along
new
projects,
especially
large
tracks
like
this.
What
the
impact
is
so
that'll
be
interesting.
Does
anybody
else
on
the
committee
have
any
questions
or
comments.
J
So
the
courtyard
in
between
I'm
gonna
call
it
a
courtyard
in
between
the
existing
building
and
the
front
building.
H
J
D
Part
of
it
it's
fairly
narrow
at
the
on
central
avenue
side,
it's
maybe
25
or
30
feet,
but
then
it
widens
moving
into
the
middle
of
the
space.
So
we've
done
some
preliminary
solar
studies
and
it
does
get
some
daylight
in
there
we'll
get
light
reflected
off
the
existing
hotel
into
the
space,
and
the
plan
is
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
landscape
that
and
make
it
an
amenity
really
for
the
hotel.
D
But
it's
the
intention
of
it
is
to
maintain
it
as
a
green
space.
It
won't
be
as
big
as
it
is
right
now,
of
course,
but.
J
Okay-
and
I
also
I
mean
from
the
3d
model
that
you're
showing
are:
what
are
your
plans
to
make
the
existing
hotel
look
like
it's
a
part
of
this
new
building,
instead
of
just
being
surrounded.
C
J
D
D
B
Okay:
okay,
any
further
comments
from
the
committee.
A
Thank
you,
yeah,
I'm
not
on
the
committee,
but
and
there's
some
feedback
coming
through
your
line,
peter
just
so
that's
why
I
muted
you
before.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
or
two
questions.
One
is,
I
heard
you
say,
there's
five
levels
of
parking
and
like
right
here
on
this
3d
model,
and
I
know
that's
supposed.
The
black
is
supposed
to
be
screening
of
the
party.
A
Okay
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask,
hopefully
it
doesn't
sound
dumb,
but
I
think
this
is
a
question
that
people
in
the
larger
community
might
be
thinking
about.
Did
you
consider
or
is?
Why
did
you
choose?
You
know
this
massing
of
the
apartment,
building
the
way
it
is
versus
spreading
it
out
along
the
site
and
maybe
having
it
kind
of
come
along
this
surface
parking
lot
towards
woodfin
and
having
a
lower
building?
Overall
I
mean,
I
guess
you
get
less
views
that
way,
but
you
would
certainly.
D
D
D
D
I
D
One
thing:
sid:
you
have
the
the
other
model
yeah.
We
want
to
show
you
you
guys
in
a
minute.
I
want
to
show
you
another
model,
we're
working
with.
Let's
say
I
can't
remember
it's
called.
A
D
Very
light
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
data
that
it
holds,
so
it's
just
for
mass
modeling,
but
I'll
give
you
an
idea.
We
will
use
this
for
the
views
that
are
required
from
different
vantage
points
around
the
city.
You
know
the
one
from
smoky
park
bridge
and
leeward.
I
mean
I
see
this
lead,
but
that's
just
want
to
give
you
a
kind
of
a
look
at
what.
D
A
I
Yes,
I
I
think
the
scale
and
massing
are
fine.
You
know,
and
I
I'm
in
general
again
in
general
agreement
with
breaking
up
the
building.
I
would
either
make
the
boarding
more
the
same
or,
if
you're,
going
to
push
the
differences
but
push
them
a
little
bit
more
than
the
models.
Currently,
it
looks
like
it's
showing
me.
D
But
brian
hold:
can
you
put
up
that
the
image
that
has
the
photographs
of
the
building?
We
looked
at
the
pinterest
board,
yeah
brian?
What
were,
for
example,
the
image
over
the
upper
right
shows:
that's
that
is
a
a
single
building
with
a
lining
floors,
but
a
completely
different
strategy
for
exterior
materials,
similar
windows,
but
the
building
on
the
right
side
has
larger
windows.
The
one
on
the
left
has
smaller
punched
openings.
D
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
coming
up
with
a
vocabulary
of
components
that
we
can
repeat
from
from
building
to
building
that
will
take
advantage
of
the
economies
of
scale
and
use
other
materials
to
create
the
differentiation.
So
in
this,
the
left-hand
side
has
brick.
The
right-hand
side
has
some
type
of
panel.
D
I
So
so
one
thing
I'd
point
out:
I
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that
image
up
the
building
on
the
right.
One
of
the
things
they
did
is
by
inserting
those
repeated
big
plate
glass
pieces.
They
made
that
one
look
like
a
vertical
building
and
the
one
on
the
left,
because
they
they
showed
the
storyline
and
they've
got
a
very
horizontal
kind
of
material.
They
made
that
one
look
even
though
they're
really
the
same
building
same
plan
with
really
similar
window
patterns.
They
made
the
one
on
the
left,
look
horizontal.
I
So
that's
exactly
the
kind
of
refinement,
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
do
and
I
think
that's
the
direction
you
should
be
going
where
you
can
use
those
two
kind
of
really
simple
moves
to
make.
The
buildings
feel
like
different
buildings
but
but
congruent
to
each
other.
B
C
The
challenge
is
that
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
have
it
as
think
about
the
constructability,
because
we're
dealing
with
residential
units
and
how
these
units
play
out.
It's
almost
like
we're
designing
the
interior
spaces,
while
we're
thinking
about
the
exterior
and
we're
constantly
looking
at
different
materials
windows
and
we're
just
now
getting
into
all.
C
B
Okay,
any
further
discussion
from
anyone
sasha.
Do
we
open
this
up
to
a
public
comment?
If
there's
any.
A
B
F
A
We
should
think
about
that
for
the
future,
but
okay,
we're
not
doing
live
public
comment
and
boards
and
committees
right
now,
anyway,
and
since
we
didn't
for
this
committee,
we
often
don't
have
materials
ahead
of
time.
A
Like
say
for
the
downtown
commission,
you
have
public
comment
open
until
5
pm
the
day
before
I
don't
know
what
people
would
comment
on
if
we
haven't
provided
anything.
So
so
it's
a
strange
situation.
It's
unique
for
most
of
our
boards.
B
Peter
had
mentioned
something
about
the
possibility
of
maybe
mid-month
reviews
to
help
kind
of
expedite
the
project.
Sasha,
do
you
have
thoughts
on
that
about
how
that
might
work.
A
I
would
need
to
check
with
some
other
departments
we
have.
Our
capability
is
ramping
up
a
little
bit
because
more
staff
are
being
trained
on
our
software
for
running
these
meetings
publicly.
So
like
right
now,
I'm
running
the
public
input
side
and
you
know
like
dana
who's
online.
She
could
help
run
the
tech
stuff
so
we're
not
as
dependent
on
other
departments.
A
We
can't
conflict
with
other
public
meetings,
the
city
in
general
we're
trying
to
keep
we're,
trying
to
be
careful
of
staff
capacity
and
how
much
time
we
spend
running
these
meetings,
so
I
think
more
than
once
a
month
would
be
really
pushing
it.
I'll
put
it
that
way,
I
think,
but
if,
if
once
a
month,
you
know
we
could
look
at
once
a
month
kind
of
thing,
I
think,
would
be
more
reasonable
than.
D
If
we
could
have
our
next
meeting
early
in
january,
maybe
the
first
part
of
the
second
week-
you
know
not
right
after
the
first
but
a
week
after
that
that
I
think
that
would
be
ideal
for
us,
because
every
now
and
then
we'd
be
able
to
address
the
issue
of
materials
breaking
up
the
mass
more.
D
D
For
us,
stephen
lee
and
sasha
again,
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
We're
we're
very
honestly,
very
excited
about
this
project.
It's
gonna
be
a
big
big
project
for
downtown
asheville.
We
feel
good
about
the
scale,
the
design
strategy,
the
mix,
the
retail
component.
A
B
A
I'm
sorry
I
just
shannon's
also
on
the
line
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
folks
know-
and
I
don't
mean
to
turn
us
backwards,
but
just
and
warren
I
don't
know
if
you
could
put
a
site
plan
up,
real,
quick
or
or
maybe
eric
could,
but
just
to
let
the
committee
know
that
staff
does
have
concern
the
one.
A
I
think
the
bigger
concern
for
staff
right
now
with
this
project
is
the
second
driveway
on
woodfin
that
we
have
two
two
driveways
and
one
of
them
is
actually
fairly
close
to
I-240
and
I
heard
warren
or
peter,
say
they're
trying
to
adjust
that
to
be.
You
know
it's.
I
I
go
that
I
go
home
that
way
and
it's
so
interesting
how
close
that
current
driveway
is
to
the
actual
on-ramp,
and
so
I
don't
know
shannon.
You
want
to
add
something
to
that.
H
No,
it's
just
that
we,
you
know,
because
this
the
scale
of
this
project
we
do
expect
full
site
compliance
and
that
second
driveway
would
not
be
compliant.
So
we
would
look
to
see
if
it
would
be
possible
to
close
that,
and
particularly
because
woodfin
is
a
key
pedestrian
street.
We
want
to
try
to
enhance
the
pedestrian
environment.
So
there's
a
follow-up
meeting
with
some
of
our
transportation
staff
to
kind
of
look
at
options
related
to
that
driveway.
F
F
I
think
it
may
be
tomorrow,
shannon
yeah,
we
we
we
definitely
we
we
recognize
the
the
current
situation
and
and
recognize
that
it's
not
compliant
and
are
trying
to
find
ways
to
to
bring
it
to
bring
it
better,
make
it
more
more
compliant
with
the
the
current
rules
and
and
we
we
definitely
feel
like.
We
can
improve
the
situation
for
for
safety
of
both
vehicles
and
pedestrians.
F
That
being
said,
we're
still
challenged
a
little
bit
with,
with
the
the
retro
aspect
of
the
existing
curb
cuts
and
the
existing
building
and
trying
to
work
around
all
that.
So
we're
just
like
this
meeting
we're
continuing
to
to
try
and
have
conversations
with
with
staff
and
try
and
work
through
these
things.
B
Okay,
thank
you
sasha,
so,
and
thank
you
design
team
on
this.
So
I
think
that
that's
the
only
agenda
item,
correct
sasha,
and
I
know
that
I
believe
this
is
going
to
be
pam
winkler's
last
meeting
she's
stepping
down
at
the
end
of
this
month.
B
So
pam
I'd
just
like
to
express
my
regret
that
actually,
just
your
time
on
this
committee
has
been
so
incredibly
useful
because
of
your
experience
as
an
architect,
but
also
the
fact
that
you
don't
have
clients
sitting
in
front
of
you,
so
you've
been
able
to
speak
your
mind
and
not
really
worry
about
the
ramifications,
and
I
think
that
we're
going
to
really
miss
that
a
lot
so
brian
and
robin
there's
your
challenge.
I
guess
mine
as
well
so,
but
we're
gonna,
miss
you.
B
Pam
and
you're
still
welcome
to
show
up
at
these
meetings
and
give
your
two
cents,
but
thanks
for
your
volunteering,
so
long
on
the
committee,
so
I
guess
yes,
I
guess
with
that.
Then
we
can
adjourn
unless
there
are
any
objections.