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We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
a
link
to
the
noise
advisory
board
page
for
those
of
you
out
there
that
are
with
us
today.
Welcome
we'll
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
board
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute.
Your
microphones.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
please
unmute
your
microphone
board
members.
As
I
call
your
name.
Please
acknowledge
your
presence.
C
D
E
F
C
C
B
E
D
Okay,
so
let's
just
choose
you
from
the
the
norm
from
what
we
have
we're
pretty
much
keeping
the
format,
because
it
seems
to
be
working
in
terms
of
getting
the
information
that's
needed.
I
can
see
that
we
had
108
complaints
for
the
last
30
days
since
we
stopped
taking
count
last
month
for
before
our
last
board
meeting.
D
One
of
the
jumps
that
we
are
seeing
here,
which
is
good
for
us,
is
actually
more
more
people
are
going
online
to
submit
their
repo
to
report
their
complaints,
which
is
a
big
jump,
especially
over
some
of
the
cold
colder
weather
that
we've
had.
So
we
noticed
that
25
online
calls
is
actually
a
lot
from
what
we've
had
when
we
first
launched
it.
Some
of
the
trends
pretty
much
stay
the
same.
We
knew
that
a
residential
neighbor
complaints
would
remain
the
same
and
multi-family
apartment
complexes
38
of
the
65..
D
We
knew
that
was
coming,
that's
just
because
it's
a
norm
of
multi-family
living
trash
recycling.
We
were
actually
excited
and
happy
to
see
zero.
That's
one
of
those
one
of
the
areas
of
our
complaints.
That's
doing
very
well
something
that
we're
going
to
be
changing.
That's
been
a
topic
of
conversation
for
the
last
couple
of
meetings.
Some
of
the
board
members
had
a
little
bit
of.
D
D
We
always
had
just
the
the
closing
code
of
apd,
which
you
have
seen
on
on
some
of
your
records,
but
we've
decided
to
update
that
just
so.
It
gives
a
little
more
context
as
to
what
actually
happened
with
that
call,
since
we're
only
privy
to
the
the
morning
email
of
what
happened
the
night
before
regarding
a
noise
complaint,
so
we
used
to
always
close
it
out
at
the
end
of
the
of
our
investigation,
say,
for
example,
apd
complaint
came
in
we'll
keep
something
easy
say.
D
The
lady
in
apartment,
4,
was
making
too
much
noise
and
we
had
all
her
information
etc.
Well,
we
would
follow
up
with
with
the
complainant.
D
We
would
follow
with
you
sometimes
with
the
noisemaker
or
the
property
manager,
and
then
that
same
night
there
was
an
issue
where
there
was
a
fight
in
a
parking
lot,
and
somebody
heard
gunshots
on
and
those
are
calls
that
we
would
not
be
responding
to
because
we
are
not
sworn
in
officers
and
we're
not
trained
or
authorized
to
handle
situations
like
that,
but
unfortunately,
both
of
those
calls
would
were
getting
closed
as
apd.
D
So
as
a
matter
of
just
for
that
for
the
two
different
calls,
it
had
the
same
closing
code,
so
it
caused
a
little
bit
of
confusion.
So
what
we
decided
to
do
was
we're
going
to
keep
the
apd
code
for
any
for
anything
that
apd
went
they
handled.
They
responded.
They
resolved
it.
It's
a
perfect
world,
even
in
some
of
those
we
might,
we
might
follow
up
just
to
make
sure
they're.
D
Okay,
especially
if
it's
a
multi-family
apartment,
complex
because
still
a
lot
of
the
complainants,
don't
know
that
they
can
go
to
their
property
manager
to
report
the
incident.
So
that
way,
there's
a
case
on
that
apartment.
If,
if
anything
further
needs
to
be
done,
such
as,
even
as
far
as
an
eviction,
what
we've
decided
to
do
on
those
calls
where
it
is
a
law
enforcement
function
such
as
gunshots,
just
this
morning,
we
got
one,
there
was
gunshots
and
so
forth,
we're
gonna
close
it
now
as
apd2.
D
These
are
non-dsd
functions
that
would
be
a
law
enforcement
function,
domestic
violence,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
other
ones.
D
Speeding
cars
with
with
no
mufflers
drag
racing
motorbikes
going
in
a
neighborhood
things
like
that
that
we
can't
that
we
cannot
enforce
or
or
respond
to
those
we're
gonna
start
calling
out
closing
out
as
apd2
and
then
the
third
one
that
we're
gonna
add
the
second
one,
we're
going
to
add
is
apd3.
D
There
are
there's
a
percentage
of
calls
that
come
in
that
we
don't
have
a
phone
number,
we
don't
have
a
name.
Sometimes
we
don't
have
an
address.
Basically
the
person
will
call
apd
and
say
there's
loud
noise
coming
from
the
street.
I
don't
want
to
get
involved.
I
don't
know
what
I
don't
want
to
give
my
name
or
phone
number
and
that's.
What's
on
the
note
loud
noise
there's
really
not
much.
We
can
do
with
that.
D
So
if
we
go
back
up
here,
you'll
notice
that
this
past
month
we
had
70
it
calls
that
came
in
through
apd,
so
we
were
able
to
respond
out
of
those
70
51
of
those
calls
we
actually
followed
up
with.
So
that
means
we've
gotten
we've
gotten
in
touch
with
the
complainant
or
the
noisemaker
or
or
management
any
way
shape
or
form.
We've
had
information,
and
we
followed
up
with
51
of
those
70
calls
12
of
those
calls
of
the
70.
D
Were
law
enforcement
functions
a
lot
of
that
to
do
with
underage
drinking
and
parking
lots
or
gunfire.
We
had
a
couple
of
domestic
violence.
Even
one
was
arrested
in
one
of
them
situations
that
the
administrative
staff
here
can't
handle
and
and
five
of
those
70
calls.
We
did
not
have
any
information,
no
email
phone
number,
not
even
a
name,
so
there's
really
nothing.
We
can
do
that.
That
is
a
dead
end
call,
especially
when
it's
maybe
a
private
residence
area.
They'll
say
it's
in
the
block.
D
You
know
the
intersection
of
biltmore
and
patton
and
there's
no
information
on
what
it
is.
Not
even
if
it's
from
a
car
a
bar,
a
protester,
there's
nothing.
So
that's
a
dead
end,
so
that's
that's
going
to
be.
We
have
not
done
the
change,
so
the
the
reports
that
you
have
do
not
reflect
these
changes.
These
will
be
in
the
next
we'll.
D
J
J
So
I
thought
I
understood
this
completely
because
we
talked
about
this
when
we
set
the
agenda,
but
I
got
I
thought
about
it,
some
more
nowhere
of
the
ones
that
are
not
that
are
going
to
stay
categorized
as
apd,
so
not
apd2
or
apd3.
I
So
that's
it
okay,
for
which
one
I
can
take.
That's
the
ones
that
are
purely
apd
rick,
the
top
one
so
and
the
notes
will
tell
us
and
they'll
say
you
know,
went
to
the
apartment,
listen
for
noise,
heard
noise,
ask
complaining
to
or
ask
you
know,
tenant
to
turn
it
down.
In
some
cases
they
may
give
them
a
verbal
warning.
So
the
detail
in
the
notes
that
we
see
is
what
determines
whether
it's
been
been.
Something
that's
been
addressed
completely
by
apd
in
the
field.
I
If
we
can
we'll
still
follow
up
as
daniel
said
with
some
of
those
calls,
but
some
of
them
are
are
purely
by
the
notes
we
can.
We
can
tell
that
they've
been
addressed
completely.
You
know
verbal
warning,
given
something
like
that.
J
J
I
So
they
might
be,
I
am
for
a
little
while
rick,
if
or
if
we're
watching
something
for
working
with
the
property
manager
or
monitoring
it
they
may
be.
They
may
be
something
that
that
that's
resolved
right
away.
There
may
be
something
that
we've
sent
a
letter
to
as
a
follow-up,
so
a
written
warning
will
be
issued.
I
Sometimes
they
they'll
they'll
get
there
and
the
noise
is
stopped,
but
that
doesn't
mean
dsd
won't
follow
that
up
the
next
day
we
will
do,
and
sometimes
we
can
then
take
that
to
the
next
step
and
get
it
get
a
resolution
on
that.
So
the
apd
closure
codes
should
be
because
they'll
be
more
streamlined
and
it'll
it'll
just
explain,
even
though
you
know
some
comes
in
at
jot
form.
Some
comes
at
apd,
regardless
of
how
it
comes
to
us.
We
will
follow
up
wherever
we
can,
so
the
only
two
circums.
I
C
Kanye,
I
have
a
follow-up
question
on
that.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
when
we
look
back
on
this
at
the
one
year
anniversary,
how
are
you
going
to
measure
the
impact
positive
or
none
at
all
or
whatever,
to
the
things
that
you've
done
here
I
mean
we
can
look
at
lists.
We
can
see
trends,
but
how
are
you
going
to
measure
the
impact.
I
Well,
the
goal
obviously
will
be
to
to
reduce
the
number
of
noise
complaints
that
are
coming
to
to
the
city,
charlie.
That
will
be
a
big,
a
big
number
for
us
to
look
at
and
we
the
ones
that
we
can
close
out.
We
can
close
out
sometimes
they're
resolved.
It
doesn't
mean
they
won't
come
back
up
in
time.
We
can.
We
can
hope
that
they
won't,
but
sometimes
they
will
particularly
in
a
residential
setting.
I
So
I
I
guess
we
will
measure
our
success
as
how
we've
been
able
to
partner
collaborate
and
ultimately
resolve
noise
complaints,
and
I
think
resolving
them
is
you
know
in
some
cases
a
a
a
a
violation
and
a
citation
may
be
issued.
Sometimes
resolution
comes
in
other
forms
too,
and
so
really
what
we're
going
to
be.
Looking
at
charlie
from
our
data
that
we
get
daily
is
patterns.
If
we
start
seeing
patterns
of
things
rising
up
again,
then
there
clearly
hasn't
been
resolution.
C
Yeah
and
the
reason
I
ask
is
that
you
know,
as
we
eventually
make
our
way
towards
recommendations
to
city
council,
then
we
should
be
able
to
point
to
them
to
say
if
we
tweak
the
ordinance.
You
know
a
year
from
now
to
do
a
and
b
right
because
of
the
identification
of
the
impact
right.
I
think
that
has
more
substance
to
it
to
a
council
member
than
us
just
saying:
well,
we
read
a
list.
We
had
a
lot
of
you
know,
complaints
and
absolutely
you
know
things
might
have
happened.
They
might
not.
I
For
us,
this
is
a
very
difficult
part
of
the
ordinance.
This
is
an
easy
part
of
the
ordinance.
This
part
works
really
well.
This
part
doesn't-
and
I
hope
that
the
board
feels
comfortable
to
know
that
staff
will
certainly
bring
that
not
just
the
data,
but
the
experience
of
actually
working
and
handling
and
managing
and
calls
to
to
the
board
where
we
find
that
we're
hitting
roadblocks
or
it's
really
difficult
for
us
to
do
that.
So
I
think
there's
there's
a
data
part
of
it
and
there's
also
the
experience
part
of
it.
D
Okay,
I'm
gonna
move
on
to
some
of
our
challenges
that
we're
still
seeing.
Obviously
one
of
the
newer
ones,
obviously
is
the
no
contact.
No
no
contact
info
available
just
brings
us
to
a
dead
end.
Today's
monday,
we
get
a
complaint
at
123
main
street.
We
have
no
information,
no
contact,
we
can't
do
anything
with
it,
but
then,
two
weeks
later
now
we
get
into
the
second
part
of
the
chronic
complainant.
I
complained
about
this
two
weeks
ago,
but
you
did
nothing
about
it.
D
So
it
brings
us
into
into
two
different
things,
two
of
the
same
thing
here
when
we
have
no
contact
information,
but
then
there
are
some
in
the
public
that
have
expectations
that
we're
going
to
resolve
something
with
limited
information,
so
that
makes
our
job
really
really
difficult,
sometimes
and
very
confrontational.
Sometimes,
and
on
that
same
note,
with
some
of
our
chronic
complainants,
we
have
subjective
complaints.
D
People
have
rights
to
express
their
beliefs
and
what
they
believe
in
and
there's
a
difference
between
content
and
noise
and
and-
and
that
has
been
proven
with
us
and
sometimes
in
the
field
where
somebody
says
well,
there's
a
violinist
there.
He
doesn't
bother
me,
but
but
the
lady
who
preaches
about
jesus,
you
need
to
move
her
out.
D
So
obviously
there's
there
there's
a
problem
there
and
it's
very
hard
when
you
have
to
approach,
because
we
do
respond
to
all
the
calls
and
we
make
contact
with
both
artists
musicians
and
protesters
and
again
and
it
gets
very
confrontational
because
they
do
have
a
right.
What's
the
problem,
I'm
not
amplified,
I'm
I'm,
I'm
I'm
exercising
my
right.
D
So
you
are
no
one
to
tell
me
that
I
have
to
be
quiet
and
guess
what
they're
right,
because
they're
they're
not
doing
anything
wrong,
but
the
complainant
will
continue,
calling
us
sometimes
every
day
saying
that
they
want
these
people
removed.
So
that
makes
it
very
different,
very
difficult
goals
met
field
work.
Outreach
has
been
great
as
a
matter
of
fact,
friday
night
we
went
out
and
did
one
we
have
some
here's
a
question.
J
Do
we
have
an
action
plan
for
addressing
these
challenges
or
some
kind
of
idea?
What
you
want
to
do.
I
Well,
I
think
that's
same.
I
think
that's
something
rick
that
we
will.
We
will
continue
to
to
work
on
and
and
continue
to
bring
to
the
board.
It
is
a
challenge
and
it
sometimes
becomes
quite
hostile
so
explaining
to
complainants
that
we
have.
We
have
no
control
over
content
and
is
something
we
do
explain
to
them,
but
we'll
still,
you
know,
try
and
get
out
in
the
field
as
much
as
we
can.
I
You
know
if
you,
if
you
address
a
volume
issue,
sometimes
with
people
who
might
be
preaching,
they
then
perceive
that
you're
you're
after
them
for
their
content.
So
it's
it's
just
it's
walking
a
fine
line,
a
lot
of
the
times,
and
sometimes
they
are
loud
and
so
you've
you've
got
to
be
very
clear.
It's
just
it's
difficult
to
explain
to
people
who
are
more
concerned
about
content
than
volume
that
that's
that
that's
really
not
not
a
role
that
we
have
in
that
and
they're
frustrated,
and
I
understand
that.
I
But
we
have
to
be
really
definite
about
our
role
in
this
and
our
role
as
a
is
a
is
a
volume
based
rather
than
a
content
based
issue.
So
I
think
right
now,
we'll
we'll
probably
continue
to
try
and
you
know
we
try
and
mediate
those
situations
where
we
can.
We
try
and
go
out
in
the
field
as
much
as
we
can,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
we
will
certainly
start.
You
know
keeping
data
and
and
for
and
and
bringing
back
to
the
board.
This
is
what
I
was
talking
about
earlier.
J
I
I
think
we
do
it.
We
do
engage
with
the
complainants
on
on.
You
know
the
the
the
difference
between
noise
and
content
and
but
that
it
does
seem
to
repeat
itself
a
little
bit
so
we're
you
know
we're
trying
to
to
engage
with
people
when
they
they
complain
about
that
and
try
and
ask
the
right
questions.
So
we're
getting
to
the
point
that
this
is
a
volume
issue
rather
than
a
content
issue,
but
but
it
does,
it
does
happen,
we're
just
noting
it
as
something
that
is
it's
difficult
to
separate.
D
J
J
J
D
If
me,
as,
if
I
put
myself
as
the
caller
calling
apd
and
I
and
I
say
to
them,
this
is
this
is
a
problem.
Whatever
there's
gunshots,
I
don't
know
just
a
lot
better
example,
and
I
say
I
definitely
don't
want
to
get
involved.
I
don't
use
my
name
or
phone
number
that
that's
that's
my
right
and
and
they
need
to
respect
that.
D
I
don't
think
that
there's
no
changing
that
we
do
see
that
some
dispatchers
saying,
if
you
want
to
do
this,
if
you
want
to
move
this
any
further,
you
can
also
contact
the
noise
department
and
we
do
see
it
in
their
notes
and
most
most
times
we
don't
get.
We
don't
get
a
hit
on
that.
D
Maybe
only
once
or
twice
there's
been
a
match
on
a
possible
address
or
area,
and
then
somebody
did
reach
out
to
us,
but
even
even
online
they're
not
required
to
put
in
their
information
and
once
again
there
was
no
name
no
phone
number.
There
was
nothing
so
at
least
they
try.
They
really
want
to
get
it
out
there,
but
for
some
reason
that
we
don't
know
they
really
don't
want
their
name
out
there,
and
we
just
have
to
respect
that.
It's
just
one
of
the
losses.
I
I
think
to
to
go
back
to
the
the
the
content
rick.
A
lot
of
those
calls
are
coming
to
us,
not
through
apd,
but
that
they're
coming
through
through
jotform,
and
so
you
know,
there's
a
role
for
us
to
to
communicate
with
the
complainant
that
we
can't
address
the
content
and
there's
also
when
we
go
in
the
field
and
engage
these
preachers
or
protesters
that
there's
a
role
for
us
to
explain
to
them
that
we're
not
there
to
to
regulate
their
content
too.
I
So
I
think
it's
a
little
early
to
say,
but
but
believe
me,
this
is
the.
This
is
the
type
of
thing
that
I
think
and
staff
will
bring
to
the
board,
where
it
just
becomes
very
challenging
for
us
to
actually
make
any
headway
in
those
cases
I
do
there.
There
are
cases
where
people
will
specifically
highlight
content
to
us
in
a
complaint
and
and
when
we'll,
when
we
follow
up
with
that
call
we'll,
we
will
just
reiterate
that
that
that's
not
something
we
can,
we
can
regulate
in
any
way.
I
But
when
we
engage
with
those
parties
in
the
field,
we
will
also,
you
know,
emphasize
to
them
that
we're
not
there
about
their
content
where
they're
about
their
volume,
so
I
think
it's
a
little
early
yet,
but
I
do
think
this
is
something
that
staff
will.
This
is
the
type
of
thing
that
staff
will
definitely
come
to
the
board
and
say
you
know
as
problem
solvers.
I
D
We're
going
back
to,
we
had
sent
out
an
email
to
all
the
venues
that
we
had
been
in
touch
with
last
season.
Another
more
venues
are
opening
up.
We
did
send
each
venue
a
an
email,
letting
them
know
for
us
to
take
proactive
noise
readings,
especially
if
they're
gonna
be
having
live
music
so
forth.
We
have
three
line.
We
actually
did
one
friday
night.
We
have
two
more
lined
up
for
march
and
a
couple
in
april.
D
Once
then
you
start
opening
up
and
that
just
not
only
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
have
a
start,
a
relationship
with
some
of
the
venue
owners.
They,
you
know
some,
you
know,
there's
still
noise
out
there.
So,
oh,
when
am
I
supposed
to
shut
the
music
off
and
that's
not
just
from
the
venues
but
from
complainants,
and
then
there
is
no
time
to
shut
the
music
off.
So
these
are
things
that
grind
unites.
We
meet
them
in
person,
it's
a
nice
relationship.
We
we
can
text
each
other.
D
It
just
makes
it
easier
as
an
initial
meeting
of
being
proactive
and
friendly
and
educational
versus
a.
I
got
to
complain
on
you
so
that
going
out
friday
night
was
great
to
hear
an
actual
live
band,
their
sound
check.
We
were
out
till
11
p.m,
making
we're
doing
the
town
friday
night
and
went
to
two
different
venues.
D
Even
though
we
didn't
get
a
complaint,
it's
good
for
the
venue
owner
to
know,
because
sometimes
the
venue
owners
are
not
there,
it's
good
for
them
to
know
that
hey
we
were
there.
Your
music
was
on
the
fence
of
a
possible
violation,
so
make
sure
you
guys
stay
in
check.
Let
us
know
if
you
need
help
with
that,
and
all
the
all
the
venues
have
been
very
receptive.
They've
been
great,
they've
been
great,
actually
decibel.
Reading
decibel
level
readings
there
is
I'm
going
to
switch
over
here.
D
Did
everybody
get
there
the
the
page
that
we
created
for
decibel
levels
so
anya
we
fixed
a
little
glitch
haley,
and
I
this
morning
we
we
did
a
quick
settings
in
our
in
the
report.
That
way
everybody
can
see
them
so
pretty
much.
The
anytime
we've
taken
any
time
we've
taken
a
noise
level
reading.
We
are
now
linking
that
report
to
a
to
a
report
that
you
can
see.
D
D
Let
me
see,
for
example,
for
example
like
here
ben's
tune-up
back
in
november.
I
guess
it
was
then
soon
if
you
just
click
over
it's
a
pdf,
pretty
much
it'll
give
you
the
time
and
date
that
we
were
there,
the
venue
or
the
location
or
whatever
it
was
ideally
in
terms
of
our
decibel
levels.
The
way
they
are
written
in
our
ordinance
will
be
the
laeq
right
here.
F
D
It's
coming,
is
it
better
there
we
go
so
going
back,
for
example,
mills
gap
road.
We
had
gotten
complaints
about
an
industrial
location
next
to
a
multi-family.
You
know
pretty
much
saying
you
know
it's
too
loud,
it's
too
loud,
pretty
much
granny
and
I
went
out
that
night.
It
was
we
started
at
almost
nine
o'clock
we
left
at
about
9
30..
D
We
did
notice
the
place
that
they
were
referring
to
there's
a
lot
of
numbers
that
are
thrown
out
here
with
our
noise
level
meters,
but
the
ones
that
that
you
should
be
familiar
with
are
the
la
eq.
That's
the
average
of
the
decibel
level.
Reading
that
we're
getting
and
on
the
bottom
of
each
of
the
note
it
pretty
much
just
has
a
quick
note
as
to
what
we
did
on
the
bottom.
Just
to
summarize
those
numbers,
so
measurements
were
taken
in
response
to
a
complaint.
That's
why
we
were
there.
D
If
these,
if
these
in
fact
were
higher
numbers
and
something
that
would
have
to
be
addressed
with
the
industrial
plant
with
the
factory,
then
that
then
we
would
have
moved
on,
but
in
terms
of
the
numbers
that
we
received
and
we
were
there
for
a
while-
we
got
as
close
as
close
to
the
plant
as
we
can
get
and
then,
as
far
away
from
the
plant
where
the
complainant
was
calling
from,
and
there
was
no
violation
if
I
switch
over.
D
I
think
this
was
ben's
that
I
opened
up
ben's
tune
up
measurements
taken
in
rece
in
response
to
a
complaint
on
11,
so
just
that
night
of
the
24th
I
happened
to
be
out,
so
I
drove
by
the
area
where
the
complaint
it
said
that
she
kind
of
hears
the
music
from
and
ben's
did
have
music
on
that
night.
So
I
pretty
just
pretty
much
took
it
there
unannounced
ben's,
ben's
tune
up,
didn't
know
I
was
there
and
they
were
well
within
their
decibel
level.
D
Readings
from
that
and
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
owner
and
now
ben's
is
one
of
those
one
of
the
venues
who
jumped
on
to
do
proactive
readings
so
when
they
have
a
dj,
they'll
know
where
they
should
be
in
terms
of
decibels
decibel
levels,
and
that
way
this
gives
me
the
opportunity
to
go
to
at
least
three
or
four
different
points
in
that
area
to
see
how
loud
they
are,
and
what's
the
loudest
and
what's
the
lowest,
so
everybody
on
the
board
should
have
access
to
that.
Is
it
a
way,
hey
haley.
D
F
Would
be
able
to
go
back
to
where
it
was
linked
at
any
time
in
a
past
agenda
or
we
can
make
it
live
as
a
standing
link
underneath
the
current
dashboard
link
that
we
have.
That
might
be
a
good
idea.
Okay,.
H
Yeah
and
pardon
me
for
stepping
in,
but
when
you're
talking
about
proactive
readings,
it
make
me
wonder
if
we've
done
proactive
readings
for
folks
in
kennel
worth
relating
to
noise
coming
from
mission,
and
if
we
haven't,
can
we
we
can.
I
Absolutely
if,
if
somebody
wants
to
request
that
we're
happy
to
do
that
and
councilwoman,
we
will
go
whether
it's
somebody
that
you
know
whether
we're
working
with
a
venue
to
make
sure
they're,
compliant
or
a
neighbor
or
complainant
to
see,
if
there's
a
violation,
we're
happy
to
do
it
either
way
that
that's
all
we
need
is
a
request
to
do
it.
We'll
definitely
do
it.
We
just
need
to
have
just
because
there
are
only
two
of
us.
I
C
Yeah,
I'm
so
granny
and
daniel.
So
as
you
go
out
and
take
these
measurements-
and
they
prove
obviously
not
to
be
in
violation
of
the
current
ordinance
but
we're
finding
a
trend
that
they
tend
to
draw
a
lot
of
complaints.
Is
it
logical
to
conclude
that
maybe
the
decibel
levels
are
currently
too
high.
D
That's
not
for
me
to
yeah,
that's
not
for
me
to
to
make
a
decision
on
I'm
out
there
to
enforce
what
we
have
in
writing.
So
that's
where
it
comes.
Sometimes
it
gets
a
little
problematic
with
the
complainant.
Where
I'm
saying
I
can
only
enforce
what
the
ordinance
is.
I
I've
heard
it.
I
can
be
next
to
it.
You
know
to
me
it's
not
loud
or
it
is
loud.
I
agree
with
you
or
not
that's
my
opinion.
D
I
can
only
enforce
what
I
have
in
writing
and
if
then,
that
becomes
problematic,
then
we
will
see
a
trend
in
saying:
hey,
yeah,
we're
obviously
we're
getting
20
complaints
from
this
place.
Everyone
was
mad,
but
they
were
in
compliance.
We
will
bring
that
right
to
the
board
and
say
clearly
we
have
a
problem
with
this
location
or
the
decibels,
but
I
can't
be
a
judge
of
that.
I
I've
got
to
move
for
that,
charlie,
absolutely
and
say.
You
know
that
this
is
what
our
data
shows
that
even
at
you
know,
x
decibels
we're
still
getting
this
many
complaints,
and-
and
so
that's,
maybe
where
those
decibels
may
need
to
be
looked
at
adjusted
modified
in
some
way
so
yeah.
So
for
sure,
and
and
and
you
know,
that's
obviously
the
benefit
of
having
a
season
or
a
year's
worth
of
data,
and
in
some
cases
not
for
all
noise.
I
I
would
say
some
noise
is
not
seasonal
at
all,
and
but
but
a
lot
of
it
is
and
and
so
yeah
I
I
think,
taking
those
readings
taking
them
consistently.
We
try
and
you
know
be
very
mindful
of
where
we're
taking
them,
where
we
try
and
take
them
where
the
ordinance
asks
us
to
take
them,
which
is
at
the
receiving
property.
I
So
you
know
I'm
trying
to
be
consistent
if
we're
going
back
time
and
time
again
to
be
in
the
same
place
when
we're
taking
that.
But
the
ordinance
does
does
ask
us
to
to
to
take
the
readings
at
the
receiving
property,
which
typically
is
the
complainants
property.
It
doesn't
have
to
be,
but
typically
that's
that's
what
it
is.
We
don't
have
staff
to
be
to
be
out
anymore
and
sort
of
just
taking
reasons
so
readings
just
at
will.
I
So
it
is
typically
complaint
based,
as
you
guys
know,
and
we
will
you
know
once
we
get
the
prop
the
property
owner's
permission
to
actually
enter
their
property
to
take
a
reading.
That's
where
we
will
try
and
go
back
to
each
time
if
it's,
if
it's
a
repeat.
B
J
So
one
question
or
one
comment
related
to
charlie's
question:
you
typically
end
up
talking
to
the
person
who
complains
and
they
tell
you
something
about
why
they
complained
right.
Okay,
I
can't
hear
my
tv
set.
My
windows
are
rattling.
I
just
hate
rap
music.
Whatever
it
is,
could
could
you
start
to
sort
of
collect.
J
J
You
know
right
now,
that'll
kind
of
I
think
it'll
start
off
just
seeming
somewhat
random,
but
if,
if
when
we
see
these,
if
a
trend
starts
to
appear,
my
kids
can't
sleep.
My
daughter
can't
study
my
you
know
whatever
I
I
think
that's
the
best
you
guys
can
do
in
educating
us
on
the
reason
that
the
decibels
that
we've
set
are
not
satisfying
people,
but
I
don't
know
if
a
trend
will
ever
appear,
but
I
know
when
we
worked
on
this
in
the
beginning,
we're
getting
the
look
my
windows
rattle.
J
I
can't
I
can't
even
carry
on
a
conversation
in
my
living
room.
Now
those
were
probably
back
in
the
days
when
that
guy
was
getting
hit
by
85
decibels
loud
and
clear
right
there
and
you
know-
maybe
everybody
is
done
better,
but
anything
we
can
collect
sure
we
can
sort
of.
Like
keywords
you
know
like
if
you'd
have
keywords
in
your
notes
or
something
you
could
go
back
and
search
for.
I
Absolutely
I
think
rick
when,
when
the
we
put
an
awful
lot
of
detail
in
our
conversational
notes
that
we
have
in
our
in
our
daily
noise
complaints,
I
mean
some
of
them
are
just
this
long.
We
absolutely
capture
things.
So
what
so
not
just
keywords
but
expressions
that
people
use
or
tell
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
your
experience,
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
the
noise.
I
So
we
do
capture
a
lot
of
that
information
and
I
I
do
think
that's
that's
very
important
to
have
because
it's
a
descriptive
rather
than
rather
than
us
to
you
know
it's
it's
a
human's
experience
in
conjunction
with
the
decibel
reading,
and
but
we
do
also
explain
to
people
before
we
go
out
and
take
a
decimal
reading
that
you
know
the
hearing,
music
or
or
something
being
audible
doesn't
equate
to
a
violation
always,
and
we
try
and
be
really
upfront
about
that
and
say
you
know
I
can
I
can
I
understand
you-
can
hear
music
and
we'll
certainly
go
out
or
you
can
hear
you
know
whatever.
I
Whatever
the
noise
source
may
be,
and
if
it's
a
if
it's
decibel
related,
it
doesn't
mean
it's
a
violation
just
because
you
can
hear
it
if
it's
trash
collection,
that's
a
whole
different,
ballgame
and
we'll
get
to
that
later
in
the
meeting,
because
I've
put
that
on.
But
yes,
we
do
certainly
capture
the
description
from
that
person,
but
we
also
are
realistic
and
I
think
fair
to
people
to
say
we'll
certainly
go
out
and
take
decibel
readings.
I
But
please
understand
that
if
they
come
back
in
underneath
what
that
that
a
prescribed
decibel
level
is
for
that
zoning
district,
we're
not
we're,
they
are
in
a
position
of
compliance.
It's
not
saying
it's
not
something,
that's
audible
to
you
and
it's
not
saying
that
something
that's
problematic
to
you,
but
we
we
can't
change
that
under
the
current
circumstances,
and
so
we
absolutely
will
record
that
in
our
notes,
so
that
yeah,
that
that
not
just
the
data
but
the
content
and
that
we
get
from
those
complainants
is
captured
as
well.
J
Okay
and
then
I
had
two
comments
on
the
stuff.
You
showed
one,
you
take
numerous
readings,
but
we
don't
know
where
those
numerous
readings
are
you
know.
So
I
can't
tell
when
the
reading
is
close
to
the
origination
property
and
when
it's
at
the
residential
property,
so
I
I
think
that
would
be
necessary
if
we
were
near
the
near
the
limit
to
just
that.
The
readings
would
have
some
some
measurement
of
where
they
are
right.
D
If
you
go
through
them
rick,
if
you
go
through
each
one
on
the
bottom,
I've
tried
to
put
in
in
terms
of
a
summary
note
in
terms
of
saying,
even
if
they
were
in
violation
or
the
the
decibel
was
higher.
When
we
showed
up.
D
If
it
was
proactive,
it
was
in
response
to
whatever
it
would
show
where
the
and
I
would
I
didn't
write
in
where
the
measurement
was
taken
from,
because
there
are
some
points
where
we
have
to
be
in
just
friday
from
one
location,
we
were
at
six
different
points,
none
which
were
significant,
but
if
one
of
them
were,
it
would
actually
be
noted
on
the
bomb
say
the
significant
one
started
at
from
the
receiving
point
of
11.
D
Whatever
you
know
main
street,
it
would
be
noted
on
the
bottom,
because
there
are
too
many.
If,
if
I'd
have
to
put
a
note
on
agency,
remember
this
goes
from
as
the
board
I'm.
I
I'm
glad.
I
can
express
part
of
my
frustration
with
taking
some
of
these
readings
and
being
out
in
the
field.
D
How
many
times
were
people
complaining
about
this
or
how
major
that
turns
that
that
that's
a
that's
an
easy
exit
to
making
doing
a
study
for
the
city
versus
what
I'm
supposed
to
do
so,
adding
all
these
details
and
putting
this
in
there
if
I
have
a
direction
as
to
where
this
information
is
going
and
what's
being
done
with
it?
That
makes
it
easier
for
me
to
say:
okay,
I
can
actually
do
this,
but
then
adding
on
the
detail
of
where
I
was
standing,
where
I
was
doing
make
sure
you
capture
all
the
keywords.
D
I
Wanted
to
have
a
deeper
look
into
something
we
voice
tags.
So
we'll
say
you
know,
intersection
of
main
street
and
eighth
street
and
and
and
then
we'll
start
taking
the
readings
so
there's
there's
very
specific
locations
as
to
there.
What
you're,
seeing
in
the
in
the
summary
reports
there
are
generalizations
for
sure.
If,
if
you
wanted,
if
we
wanted
to
get
into
something
more
deep,
we
certainly
could
but,
but
we
I'm
not
sure
we
are
in
a
position
to
have
those
on
individuals.
I
D
Yeah,
unfortunately,
the
the
report
that's
generated
from
the
noise
reader
doesn't
automatically
download,
so
that
would
have
to
be
keyed
in
but,
for
example,
it
would
be
easy
to
say
hey.
We
have.
We
have
a
problem
with,
you
know
whatever
abc
bar
and
we
actually
did
take
readings.
That
is
actually
easy
to
say.
If
we
were
to
say
hey,
let's
do
a
deeper.
What
happened
that
could
be
easily
detailed
as
to
one
but
for
every
single
one,
especially
now,
with
with
season
opening
up
with
music
venues.
D
It'll
be
a
lot
harder
to
pinpoint
every
single
one,
because
it
doesn't
download
like
on
a
sheet
like
an
excel
sheet
or
spreadsheet.
But
if
there
was
a
specific
case.
I
J
H
J
Okay
and
then
the
last
thing
was
the
example
you
gave
where
it
was.
Industrial
noise,
industrial
noise
might
fit
those
categories
of
additional
decibel
reductions.
J
You
know
if
you
go
back
to
the
decibel
thing
in
the
in
the
ordinance
it's
like
if
it's
a
continuous
sound,
so
it
would
be
helpful
because
I
know
those
are
going
to
be
rare,
so
I
don't
think
I'm
putting
a
big
burden
on
you
guys.
It
would
be
helpful
if,
when
you're
measuring
industrial
noise,
whether
you
would
say
in
the
notes
whether
it
is,
we
can
do
that.
Whether
because
because
I
don't
know
what
right
level
to
compare.
I
I
Report,
I
got
you,
that's
fair,
that's
fair
point,
and
in
this
case
it
wasn't
a
continuous
noise
but
yeah.
We,
we
would
certainly
do
that
and
actually
when,
when
we're
looking
at
a
continuous
noise
like
that,
we're
looking
at
a
much
lower
decimal
level
anyway,
because
the
ordinance
actually
does
reduce
it
additionally
for
continuous
noise.
So
yes,
but
we
we
certainly
can
do
that.
I
In
this
case
it
was
not
a
continuous
noise,
it
was
sporadic,
but
not
not
a
continuous
noise
that,
like
something
that's
just
repeated
all
the
time
and
so,
but
we
we
certainly
can
do
that.
The
I
think
the
other
thing
rick
that
that
that
would
probably
help
with
some
of
what
you're
asking
here
too,
is
when
we
would
so.
I
The
the
the
cirrus
report
is
is
the
data
again,
it's
a
little
bit
like
the
dashboard,
whereas
the
field
report
that
we
would
send
to
the
complainant
and
to
the
business
owner
has
a
little
bit
more
meeting
and
and
and
to
it
in
that
we
would
say
you
know
that
this
is
the
decimal
level
that
would
be
required
by
the
ordinance
and
we
we
will
put
that
in
there.
These
are
the
decimal
levels
we
received.
We
took
the
readings
at
this
point
and
stood
for
you
know
psycho
staffer,
on
site
for
an
hour.
I
I
We've
we've
shown
you
some
because
we're
we're
you're
welcome
to
have
those
and
we've
we.
I
think
we
have
put
some
in
our
staff
report
last
last
month
when
we
were
starting
to
do
these
proactive
field
reports,
so
we
yeah
we
can
make
those
available
to
the
board,
but
whoever
is
the
complainant
will
get
a
copy
of
it
and
also
the
the
business
owner
operator
venue
owner
or
whatever
they
are.
Yes,.
D
You
know
what
actually
I
can
do
based
on
this
conversation
when
I,
when
I
do
the
quick
summary
I'm
gonna
have
a
I'll,
have
a
template
on
my
laptop,
so
it's
a
copy
and
paste
depending
on
where
we
were
I'll
put
the
zone,
the
maximum
decibel,
depending
on
the
hour
that
way
when
you're
looking
at
your
numbers,
you'll
know
if
that
person
fell
within
or
not.
Would
that
sound
better?
So,
on
the
bottom,
it'll
actually
say
what
zone
it
was.
What's
the
maximum
decibel
level
and
it's
correlating
to
the
time.
J
I
I
have
no
problem
reading
the
field
report-
I
I
don't.
I
don't
really
want
to
make
you
guys
do
extra
work.
So,
if
you're
doing
all
that,
for
the
benefit
of
the
person
who
complains
and
the
person
that
was
the
source
was
there,
you
know
as
it
relates
to
to
decibels?
What
are
we
looking
at
25
30
readings
out
of
the
hundreds
that
hundreds
of
complaints
you've
got
for
me
as
a
board
member,
I
don't
mind
having
one
more
link
or
two
more
links
in
this
worksheet.
J
J
I
I
So
the
other
thing
I
think
to
remember
too
rick
and
is,
is
with
with
a
lot
of
the
complaints
that
we've
had,
that
we
don't
have
decimal
levels.
Are
we
we
weren't
present
in
the
moment
on
those
and
many
of
those
are
going
to
be
the
noise
disturbance
standards,
so
we
would
just
wouldn't
be
able
to
take
decimal
readings
for
them
right
right.
Well,
you
know
this
is
part
of
of
the
challenge
we
have,
as
staff
is
two
people
trying
to
respond
to
all
the
noise
complaints
in
the
city.
I
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
do
the
proactive
ones,
but
in
the
case
of
of
the
one
we
just
showed
you.
That
was
a
complaint.
We
responded
to.
We
took
readings
the
other
night
that
we
had
no
complaints
and
we
just
drove
by
something
and-
and
we
were
like
whoa,
that's
kind
of
loud
jumped
out
of
the
car
took.
Readings
went
across
the
street
spoke
to
the
venue
owners
and
they
were
great
and
but
so
it
it.
You
know
a
lot
a
lot
of
what
we're
seeing,
particularly
what's
coming
in
from
residential.
I
Can
definitely
get
you
access
to
those
reports,
they're
going
to
be
very
similar
to
the
one
that
I
think
we
shared
to
you
earlier
last
month,
where
we,
you
know,
we
send
that
to
complainant
and
owner
occupier
venue
owner
whatever
business
whatever
it
is,
so
that
everybody
is
seeing
the
same
thing-
and
I
think
we
have
mentioned
this
too,
that
you
know
we.
I
So
you
know
somebody's,
usually,
not
happy
and,
and
it
all
we
can
do
is
in
is
work
the
ordinance
decimal
levels
or
work,
the
ordinance
requirements
that
we
have
and
it's
you
know
that's
sometimes
difficult
to
to
explain
to
people
that
what
what
we
find
may
not
always
be
what
they
want
us
to
find
for
both
parties.
So
we
just
have
to
kind
of
ride
that
wave
and
and
and
present
the
information
we
have.
J
I
H
A
A
I
D
I
Combination
of
the
noise
ordinance,
whether
it's
music,
whether
it's
you
know,
a
continuous
noise
coming
from
a
mechanical
source,
whether
it's
a
busker
in
the
street,
it's
our
duty
as
staff
to
enforce
that.
I
you
know
that
we
we
would
approach
it
the
same
way.
A
I
But
you
know
thank
you
for
your
question,
but
I
as
far
as
we're
concerned,
if
there's
a
violation,
there's
a
violation
who
that
violation
is
being
issued
to
really
is
not
of
of
consequence
to
us
now.
The
response
to
it
may
well
be,
but
but
we
will,
if
we've,
if
we've
got
a
a
violation,
that's
verifiable
by
decibels
or
by.
If
it's
a
noise
disturbance
by
daniel
and
I
using
the
subjective
standard
and
determining
that
that
a
noise
disturbance
has
been
created,
then
then,
then
we
will
pursue
the
appropriate
citation
and
fee.
D
We
can
bring,
we
can
bring
this
up
when
you
bring
up
the
dissecting,
the
breaking
down
hey,
we
can
move
on
because
the
last
part
of
the
report
grineer
can
discuss
during
the
what
she
wants
to
bring
up.
B
B
I
B
You
I
I
agree,
I
agree,
and
so
the
next
agenda
item
is
is
to
talk
about
the
data
and
expectations
and
and
part
of
what
I
wanted
to
say
with.
That
is,
is
to
the
board
that
obviously
daniel
and
graniego
put
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
into
creating
all
of
this
information
for
us
and
we've
been
asking
them
for
a
lot
of
information.
B
You
know
these
patterns
that
we
can.
We
can
have
an
impact.
So
please
make
sure
you're
taking
the
time
and
energy
to
to
check
these
things
out
and
to
see
where
there,
where
there's
issues
and
and
and.
D
B
B
I
think
that
it's
so
far
has
been
really
interesting
to
see
just
how
the
outreach
has
been
such
a
the
way
that
the
outreach
with
the
with
the
multi-family
dwellings
and
also
to
the
venues
has
been
pretty
interesting
in
terms
of
of
making
some
sort
of
impact,
and
I
think,
when
we
look
at
these
trends,
we
can
also
see
what
we
can
do
as
a
board
of
connections
that
we
have
in
the
community
and
reaching
out
to
people
so
appreciate
everybody's
commitment
to
making
sure
that
you
go
through
all
the
the
data
that
they
take.
J
Yeah
all
I
want
to
do
is
I
don't
know
how
many
of
the
board
members
are
spreadsheet,
capable
it's
not
actually
a
skill
to
desire,
but
it's
one
that
my
career
forced
me
to
know
everything
about
first
in
excel
and
now
in
google
sheets.
J
J
You
know.
I
started
on
all
the
unknowns
because
that's
like
the
third
biggest
number
of
what
we
get
where
the
the
noise
source
is
unknown,
so
that
that's
a
lot,
and
so
I
just
it
it's
more
than
staring
at
a
750
line
spreadsheet
to
be
able
to
look
at
this
data
and
make
sense
out
of
it.
So
if
anybody
needs
help
or
needs
a
demonstration
or
anything
like
that,
I
would
offer
my
time.
B
Okay,
great
moving
on
to
new
business.
Look
at
this
ahead
of
schedule
had
a
schedule
guys
so
we're
gonna,
discuss
the
boards
and
commission's
restructuring
resolution,
and
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
rick.
To
talk
about
that.
J
So
I
was
aware
that
some
other
boards
and
commissions
are
fairly
unhappy
with
the
proposal
that
is
flowing
through
the
process
of
eliminating
most
of
the
boards
and
commissions
and
reconstituting
just
some
of
them
as
working
groups,
and
so
I
happen
to
know
several
people
who
are
on
the
urban
forestry
commission,
which
is
a
fairly
high
expertise.
Commission,
you
know
you
gotta
know
about
canopies
and
and
and
tree
planting
ordinances
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
I
took
what
they
had
and
took
the
content
out.
J
That
was
tree
ordinance
specific
and
put
words
in
here
that
I
thought
represented
reasons
why
we
would
not
want
to
be
disbanded
and
because
jessica-
and
I
were
both
really
busy
this
past
week.
J
J
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
prior
to
this
meeting
about
that
and
I'm
not
sure
how,
where
everybody
is
of
what
the
revised
strategy
is,
but
there's
certainly
not
a
guarantee
that
we
would
stay
as
a
board
under
the
new
structure
and
we've
already
written
in
our
annual
report,
that
we
felt
that
we
would
be
unable
to
meet
the
objectives
of
the
board
and
our
mission
if
we
were
not
able
to
perform
this
work
for
a
full
season.
J
C
Yeah
rick
do
do
we
know
the
you
know
demarcation
between
what
the
the
new
constituted
structure
would
be
where
if
we
were
reduced
to
a
working
group,
if
they
come
back
and
say,
hey
you'll
still
have
your
voice
through
a
working
group
as
opposed
to
livability
or
whatever
you
know,
grouping
they
want
to
put
us
into
what
would
be
our
response
to
that.
J
I'm
not
sure
I
can
speak
on
behalf
of
the
whole
board.
I
can
only
speak
on
behalf
of
myself,
which
is,
as
I
understand,
the
new
structure.
J
We
choose,
then
she
represents
us
directly
to
city
council.
So
there's
like
two
layers
of
bureaucracy
between
decisions
that
we
could
come
up
with
as
as
a
majority
board
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
that's
that's
one
of
the
things
that
everybody
is
complaining
about
is
now
your
two
layers
removed
from
the
actual
decision
maker
makers
on
policy.
So.
C
Right,
yeah,
because
I
think
that
you
know
I
share,
I
think
your
perspective
that
if
we
get
diluted
from
you
know
by
at
least
down
to
20
of
of
what
flows
through
the
four,
because
you
go
from
four
or
21
down
to
four,
but
I
also
know
in
some
direct
dialogue.
I've
had
not
about
this
issue,
but
about
the
noise
issues
in
general
with
mayor.
Her
attitude
is,
if
it's
not
on
the
docket,
it's
not
important
for
me
to
deal
with
it.
C
So
you
know
that
just
kind
of
strengthens
my
position
for
don't
dilute
us
to
a
point
that
this
issue,
which
we
deemed
important
less
than
a
year
ago.
You
know
it's
all
of
a
sudden
going
to
get.
You
know
kind
of
swept
into
the
masses.
So
you
know
I
I'm
a
bit
concerned
that
this
really
dilutes
our
ability
to
do
what
we
were
asked
to
do.
J
C
E
I
have
a
quick
comment.
I
don't
know
enough
about
this
whole
situation
to
make
a
vote,
yet
I
would
like
to
know
a
lot
more.
This
sounds
like
a
large
bureaucratic
structural
change.
I
I
guess
I
would
like
to
know
more.
I
guess
charlie.
This
is
what
you
were
just
getting
at
more
about
what
the
city
council's
actual,
like
structural
proposal,
would
be
rick.
E
You
mentioned
that
you
know
as
of
right
now
we
have
this
noise
advisory
board
that
we're
all
on
and
we
discuss
issues
and
we
make
proposals,
and
you
know,
gain
plans
and
suggestions
and
everything
to
advise
the
city
council.
As
far
as
I
know,
that
goes
straight
to
the
council,
as
it's
currently
structured
and
if
there's
this
change
this
you
know,
consolidation
of
the
boards
into
four
advising
bodies
is
what
it
sounds
like
they're
they're,
aiming
at.
Judging
by
this.
E
This
document-
I
I
guess,
is
that,
like
that,
could
that
could
look
a
couple
different
ways
that
could
be
efficient
or
that
could
be
just
increased
bureaucracy
and
do
we
need
increased
intermediation
or
does
the
existence
of
these
boards,
like
as
separate
entities,
help
with
the
disintermediation
and
help?
You
know
grease
the
wheels
of
the
advice
and
efficiency
and
speed
of
which
things
are
happening
and
then
also
you
know,
grenier
and
daniel.
D
E
What
what
would
your,
what
would
the
differences
be
on
how
this
is
a
this
affects
your
work,
your
workflow,
your
your
process
and
everything
like
that,
because
I
mean
you,
you
two
are
going
to
be
staying
around
and
everything
it's
the
board
who
you're,
informing
and
providing
all
this.
You
know,
data
and
information
for
that.
E
I
I
don't
really
know
enough
about
how
this
affects
all
the
parties
at
play,
for
me
to
you,
know,
jump
in
and
vote
yet,
although
this
this
is
an
extremely
helpful
document,
that's
just
where
I'm
at
right
now,
personally,.
I
Well,
I
think
carmelo
we
we
will,
whether
it's
a
working
group
or
board-
I
I
guess
we
will
be
reporting
to
to
a
group
of
whether
it's
like
I
say
whether
it's
a
working
group
or
whether
it's
the
noise
advisory
board.
So
I
I
I
agree
with
you,
it's
it
it's
to
me.
I'm
not
I'm
not
too
sure
what
the
the
working
group,
what
their
influence
would
have
over
a
bigger
group
I'd.
I
I
don't
I'm
not
familiar
with
that
process,
so
our
job
is
is
to
to
manage
noise,
complaints
and
report
them
to
either
the
noise
advisory
board
or
a
working
group
or
whatever
is
in
position
to
be
able
to
advise
as
to
the
effectiveness
of
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
that
it
really
changes
with
us
well
daniel
and
I
will
work
with
with
with
whoever
I
see
whether
it's
a
working
group
or
an
advisory
board.
I
I
thought
that
group
to
me
by
nature
of
wanting
to
be
involved
in
a
problem
as
complex
as
noise
they're
problem
solvers,
so
I
feel
like
we
would.
We
would
be
reporting
in
that
regard
and
and
and
the
channel
to
city
council
to
me,
I'm
not
really
unders,
I'm
not
really
familiar
with.
What's
what's
been
proposed
at
this
time
to
be
able
to
say,
but
I
assume
we
would,
we
would
respond
report
collaborate
with
some
other
group.
If
not
the
lawyer,
the
board.
E
I
Right
yeah,
I
guess
we
we
would
be
reporting
yeah
to
through
through
ban.
I
guess
through
our
director
to
to
whatever
group
would
be
making
decisions
to
at
that
point,
I'll,
let
ben
to
speak
to
that.
Actually.
G
You
know,
I
think
the
advisory
boards
are
an
important
function.
I
think
you
know,
as
it's
set
up
is
to
guide
city
council
on
policy,
it
matters
and
I'll.
I
like
there's
community
involved
and
it
shouldn't
be
just
staff,
but
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
perspective
from
a
staff.
So
we
actually
is
dsd.
We
administer
five
boards,
so
y'all
are
one
of
five
for
us,
so
it
does
become
for
us.
G
It's
it's
a
lot
of
work,
it's
very
difficult,
so
I
would
just
say
in
terms
of
there's,
if
there's
an
ability
to
have
logical
and
meaningful
consolidation
of
these
boards,
quite
frankly,
there's
some
efficiency
to
begin
to
be
gained,
certainly
from
the
staff's
perspective,
and
that
that
may
not
be
the
most
important
perspective.
But
I
do
want
to
say
that
you
know
it
is
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
to
do
this,
especially
if
you're
a
department,
that's
managing
three
four
or
five
of
these
boards,
plus
what
you're
supposed
to
do
every
day,
anyways.
J
That
working
group
isn't
bound
by
all
of
the
public
input
laws
so,
for
example,
we're
we're
streaming.
This
live
not
because
we
know
there's
a
hundred
thousand
people
out
there
that
are
want
to
watch
it,
but
because
that's
what
the
law
says:
it's,
because
it's
a
board
and
a
commission,
so
we
have
to
stream
live.
That's
part
of
the
public
input
process.
J
It
could
simply
be
hey
if
you
want
to
watch
what's
going
on
here's
the
here's,
the
google
meet
link,
you
know
just
sign
in
and
sit
and
listen.
So,
there's
a
perception
that
working
groups
could
be
less
burdensome
on
city
staff,
certainly
from
a
tech
perspective,
and
you
know,
does
haley
have
to
put
out
an
agenda
for
a
working
group
each
week
or
is
it
up
to
jessica
or
the
chair
to
do
that
work
so
so
those
are.
J
Those
are
some
of
the
potential
staff
labor
reductions
that
still
would
allow
the
working
group
to
do
what
it
needs
to
do.
Right,
we'd
still
have
the
same
issues
that
we're
trying
to
get
results
from
staff
report
wouldn't
go
away
because
it's
only
grania
and
daniel
that
have
the
background
behind,
what's
going
on
every
month
to
tell
us
the
stories
that
are
necessary
to
put
context
around
the
data.
So
for
that
part,
if
a
working
group
was
in
place,
I
think
the
burden
on
them
would
be
about
the
same.
J
E
E
E
And
analyzing,
and
using
to
propose
things
like
they
would.
My
guess
is
that
they
would
probably
have
to
take
a
zoomed
out
larger
picture
looking
at
the
forest
from
the
forest,
rather
than
the
trees,
to
really
handle
all
the
you
know,
granular
details
of
the
data,
the
statistics,
everything
like
that,
the
educational
components
and
everything
I
again.
I
don't
know
enough
about
the
bureaucratic
restructuring
of
this,
like
once.
It
leaves
daniel
and
grenia,
and
then.
E
The
different
channels-
and
everything
like
that-
I
think
most
of
us-
would
probably
agree
that
less
bureaucracy
is
better
for
most
governing
and
advising
institutions.
So
I'm
I'm
open
to
hearing
both
sides
really
again
everything
yeah
yeah.
That's
all
I
really
have
is
input
right
now,
because
I
might
that's
the
extent
of
my
knowledge
on
this.
C
Yeah-
and
I
think
carmilla
brings
up
good
points,
because
my
observation
point
is:
is
that
you're
going
to
have?
Let's
say
they
put
this
in
livability
you're,
going
to
have
the
work
of
currently
five
different
advisory
boards
or
structured
organizations
compressed
into
one
so
now,
you're,
just
basically
taking
five
work
elements
and
putting
it
on
some
restructured
body
of
people
and
yeah.
They
can
have
the
working
groups,
but,
as
I
understood
it
from
antoinette
when
she
was
talking,
pre-meeting
with
me
is
that
they
align
this
along
the
strategic
plan
of
the
city.
C
So
the
only
four
things
primarily
that
are
interesting
to
the
city
are
embodied
in
those
four
compressed
boards
that
she's
talking
about.
But
before
we
we
broke
off
the
conversation.
I
think
the
whole
noise
discussion
came
up
after
that
whole
strategic
structuring
was
done
some
number
of
years
ago.
So
I'm
hopeful.
I
don't
know
that
I'm
optimistic,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
they
would
give
us
an
opportunity
as
a
newly
constituted
board
and
any
other
board
that
was
constituted,
say
inside
the
last
12
months
to
at
least
serve
out
a
year
of
transition.
C
Before
we
get,
I
guess
compressed
into
any
sort
of
you
know
larger
board.
It's
just
I
hate
to
have
gone
to
where
we've
gone
to
in
the
discussions
here
and
we're
beginning
to
sort
the
issues
out
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
it
just
gets
diluted.
B
B
B
I
would
be
hard-pressed
to
think
if
I
was
one
of
the
people
on
the
you
know
if
we
were
under
livability
and
ended
up
on
that
board,
for
instance
right
just
thinking
about
the
amount
of
time
and
energy
that
this
takes
on
top
of
all
of
those
other
pieces,
I
think
it
would
be
really
hard
pressed
to
expect
the
the
you
know
as
there's
so
much
of
us
figuring
this
out
with
daniel
and
grand
grande
together.
It
seems
like
that.
Just
is.
B
It
just
seems
a
lot
to
ask
to
put
on
on
some
on
a
group
of
people
that
are
dealing
with
five
four
other
boards.
You
know
that
are
advisory
boards,
so
be
interesting.
Just
to
see
in
terms
of
like
what
the
working
groups
look
like
underneath
these,
these
four
categories,
because,
like
that's
my
understanding
right,
it
would
be
like
the
these
four
and
then
working
groups
underneath
them.
So
there
may
be
a
noise
working
group
underneath
is
that
am
I
understanding
that
correctly
rick
or
ben.
F
Yeah
on
last
month's
agenda,
it
was
an
agenda
item
and
you
all
were
provided
with
a
link
to
the
webpage
that
included
detailed
information
on
the
restructuring.
J
J
Are
you
going
to
do
an
example
of
what
this
would
pan
out
to
be
what
what
existing
boards
would
you
just
throw
away,
because
there's
this
big
claim
that
there's
a
bunch
of
duplication
taking
place
between
various
boards
like
everybody's,
worrying,
about
affordable
housing,
the
homeless
boards
worrying
about
it?
Somebody
else
is
worrying
about
it.
The
economic
development
board
is
worrying
about
it
and
are
you
going
to
commit
to
creating
working
groups,
so
I
don't
think
now
we
know,
nor
should
we
assume
that
there
would
be
anything
we
could.
J
B
Of
the
restructuring
is
there
like
a
they
want
to
have
this
figured
out?
The
city
wants
to
have
this
figured
out
by,
because
I
mean
I
was
part
of
that
first
information
session,
that
they
that
the
city
did
that,
like
two-hour
thing-
and
I
know
a
lot-
has
changed
since
then,
because
at
first
it
just
seemed
like
there
was
a
lot
of
unknowns
and,
like
the
the
the
it
was.
J
So
I
I
attended
the
what'd,
they
call
it
pilot
working
session,
so
they
have
this
notion.
They're
gonna
run
a
pilot,
but
when
you
ask
what
the
pilot's
gonna
be,
the
answer
is,
we're
were
talking
to
everybody.
They
ran
five
sessions
over
like
the
last
two
weeks.
J
They
they
asked
the
attendees
a
question
like
what
would
you
need
to
know
about
a
working
group
to
be
willing
to
be
part
of
it
and
they
had
the
equivalent
of
a
white
board
and
stickies?
Where
you
could
anonymously
say.
I
need
to
know
what
our
power,
what
we're
authorized
to
do.
I
need
to
know
who
else
is
all
that
kind
of
stuff?
J
So
that's
all
in
the
feeding
them
public
input
on
a
pilot,
and
I
think
I
heard
that
they
wanted
to
start
to
run
some
kind
of
a
pilot
in
june,
but
I
couldn't
get
an
answer
in
that
session.
On
how
long
a
pilot
was
going
to
run.
I
made
a
comment
that
we
just
have
a
pilot
needs
to
run
long
enough
to
prove
that
it's
effective
not
just
to
check
the
box
and
have
two
meetings
and
declare
a
pilot
good,
so,
hopefully
that
that
session
was
recorded.
J
So
my
voice
is
in
there
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
the
actual
cycle
of
life
is
pretty
vague
to
me.
Right
now
and
I
signed
up
for
whatever
comes
next.
I
signed
up
because
there's
a
next
step
after
the
sessions,
and
I
signed
up
to
be
to
participate
in
that
because
I
care
about
what
we're
doing
and,
in
my
other
volunteer
job.
J
So
we
could
wait,
you
know,
maybe
maybe
with
the
uncertainty.
That's
there,
you
know
it
it's
up
to
the
board
to
decide
whether
making
a
statement
is
premature
or
timely.
I
just
I
just
bring
the
data
I
have
to
the
table
to
see
if
that's
appropriate
now.
B
Gotcha,
let's
charlie,
did
you,
I
know,
and
haley
probably
has
more
information
on
that.
So
charlie
will
thank
you.
C
C
So,
even
if
we,
you
know
to
your
last
question,
rick
about
making
a
statement,
I
think,
certainly
in
the
context
of
based
on
what
we
know
and
don't
know
today.
C
We
believe
it's
premature
for
them
to
go
off
and
restructure
and
even
to
the
point
that
antoinette
made
a
comment
that
probably
in
a
political
re-election
year,
the
expedient
thing
may
be
just
to
do
nothing
and
wait,
and
she
may
be
right,
but
it
just
sounds
like
from
what
you
were
describing
that
you
know
they
got
a
lot
of
sticky
notes,
but
they
haven't
necessarily
got
a
mission
and
a
vision,
and
I
hate
to
see
companies
or
organizations
or
governments
go
off
and
do
something
that
they
announce
and
then
haven't
thought
it
all
the
way
through.
A
F
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say
after
the
meeting
I'll
be
happy
to
resend
out
that
board
and
commission
restructuring
info
also
they
just
wrapped
up
the
first
round
of
engagement
on
friday.
Those
meetings
that
rick
was
talking
about
the
workshops
that
they
had
with
the
sticky
notes
and
stuff
they'll
be
taking
that
information
and
kind
of
packaging
it
for
public
consumption.
So
I'll.
H
F
In
touch
with
that,
too,
once
it's
ready
because
they'll
once
they've
looked
through
that
information
they'll
have
some
more
to
present
along.
You
know
in
regards
to
that
timeline
for
the
pilot
and
what
they're
thinking
there
they're
going
to
use
that
feedback
to
kind
of
help
shape
things
moving
forward.
F
Is
my
understanding
so
I'll
be
in
touch
with
that
stuff
and
if
you
all
have
any
questions,
just
just
let
us
know
if
you're
interested
in
participating
in
the
working
group
that
rick
was
talking
about
the
next
steps,
I
believe,
is
that
they're
putting
together
a
working
group
if
anybody
is
interested
in
being
a
part
of
that
they'll
be
engaging
with
boards
and
commission
members
moving
forward
through
that
kind
of
group
to
help
provide
input
for
the
process.
B
Great
thank
thanks,
hayley
yeah,
so
I
think
you
know
it
sounds
like
we
need
more
information.
We
all
you
know
it's
it's.
This
is,
I
feel
like
going
to
be
a
continued
discussion
for
us
on
this
topic.
So,
okay,
let's
just
keep
that
conversation
going
and
again
as
as
we
talked
about
you
know
guilty
as
charge
hallie
shared
that
information
I
just
did
not
get
to
it.
B
Everybody
yep
okay,
so
moving
along
our
next
order
of
business
is
the
ordinance
breakdown
and
granny's
gonna.
Take
us
through
that.
Thank.
I
You
jessica,
so
I
spoke
with
daniel
and
I
have
talked
about
this
and
I
I
brought
it
to
jessica
and
rick
at
our
agenda.
I
Setting
meeting
just
sort
of
looking
at
the
core
one
of
the
core
functions
of
the
the
advisory
board
is
to
examine
the
effectiveness
of
the
ordinance
and
although
it's
one
regulation,
just
I
I
think
all
of
you
are
aware
of
this,
but
just
working
in
this
every
day,
daniel
and
I
are
reminded
about
how
you
know
there
are
small
components
in
this
ordinance
that
are
dealt
with
in
a
totally
different
manner
from
each
other.
So
and
examples
we've
got.
I
You
know
a
noise
disturbance
standard,
which
is
a
subjective
standard
which
looks
at
the
time
of
day.
It
looks
at
zoning,
looks
at
frequency.
It
looks
at
duration,
it
looks
like
amplification,
we've
got,
you
know,
waste
that
looks
at
time
of
day
and
zoning
district
we've
got
construction.
That
looks
at
time
of
day
day
of
the
week.
I
We've
just
got
all
so
many
different
sources
of
noise
types
of
noise
and
different
prescriptions
within
the
ordinance
as
to
how
we
manage
and
ultimately
resolve
those
noise
problems,
and
I
think
to
be
to
be
fair
to
us
as
a
group,
and
we
should
really
look
at
the
different
components
of
the
ordinance
in
in
in
a
fair
bit
of
detail
so
that
we're
not
running
the
risk
of
throwing
the
baby
out
with
the
bath
water
and
and
making
a
blanket
recommendation
about
an
ordinance
that
has
so
many
different
little
pieces.
I
I
I
think
I
can
very
comfortably
say
that
there
are
at
least
three
components
of
the
the
noise
ordinance
that
we,
as
staff,
can
bring
to
the
board
in
very
good
detail
at
this
moment
in
time
that
are
not
seasonal,
and
that
are
not
that
that
we
don't
have
trends
that
are
weather
related
or
anything
else
that
there.
These
are
things
that
happen
day
in
day
out,
regardless
of
the
time
of
year,
and
I
I
think
the
three
that
I
would
like
to
bring
to
the
border.
Also,
there's
not
really
any
ambiguity
about
them.
I
I
We
can
get
on
these
and
manage
them,
respond
to
them
and
resolve
them
in
a
in
a
very
you
know,
good
defined
way,
and
so
I
would
like
to
propose
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
we
would
like
to
propose
that,
while
we're
waiting
on
all
of
this
other
data
from
other
sources
of
noise
within
the
ordinance
that
we're
trying
to
implement
and
also
you
know,
to
actually
determine
the
effectiveness
on
it,
that
we
move
ahead
with
some
of
these
other
ones
that
I
think-
and
I
believe
we
do-
have
adequate
data
to
actually
give
the
board
to
make
some
pretty
good
determinations
on.
I
So
there's
not
much
more
to
be
said,
except
that
you
know
that
the
three
areas
that
I
would
propose
are
trash
collection,
construction
and
amplification
within
150
feet
of
a
public
school
where
classes
are
in
session
or
a
medical
facility
that
is
seeing
patients.
I
think
those
are
three
areas
that
we
can
examine.
I
would
propose
we
examine
one
each
month
for
the
next
three
months,
which
will
bring
us
into
june
and
really
dig
down
deep
into
those.
I
We
can
look
at
the
total
number
of
complaints
where
the
complaints
are
coming
from
and
how
many
you
know
repeat,
complaints.
We
are
and
then
really
present
to
the
board
the
sort
of
collaboration,
the
tools
that
daniel
and
I
have
to
actually
work.
I
These
cases
manage
these
cases
and
ultimately
resolve
these
cases,
and
I
think
we
have
very
good
data
to
be
able
to
bring
to
you,
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
worthwhile
exercise
for
us
as
a
group
to
have
a
look
and
to
really
really
boil
down
the
different
components
of
the
ordinance
because
they
they
are
very,
very
different
and
because
they're
different
they're
handled
different
they're
managed
differently
and
they're
ultimately
resolved
differently.
I
So
I
wanted
to
bring
that
to
you,
like
I
say,
as
a
board
member
and,
more
importantly,
as
a
staff
member
and
happy
to
throw
that
open
for
any
discussion.
But
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
worthwhile
exercise.
B
B
Sure
they
were
trash
collection,
construction
and
amplification
within
a
hundred
feet
of.
I
150
feet
school
in
session
or
a
medical
facility
seeing
patients
attending
to
patients.
A
B
Carmelo
says:
yep:
okay,
the
next
order
of
business
is
going
to
be
about
mitigation
measures,
and
that
is
also
we're
going
to
hear
from
grenier
on
that.
I
So,
thank
you
jessica.
So
do
we
are.
We
are.
Is
everybody
good
with
that?
Do
we
need
to
have
a
motion
for
that
daily
or
not?
No?
Okay?
So
I
will
we
will
we
will
daniel
and
I
will
bring
a
detailed
report
to
the
board
each
month
and
I
think
probably
we'll
start
with
with
waste
collection
next
month
and
we
will
do
a
different
item
and
for
the
next
for
the
next
three
months.
I
If
that's
okay
with
you
guys,
okay,
so
the
other
item
I
have
jessica
thank,
you
is
again
just
going
back
to
the
the
sort
of
expertise
and
experience
and
collective
problem
solving
skills
of
staff
and
board
members,
and
I
had
again
mentioned
to
jessica
and
rick
in
our
agenda
setting
meeting
last
week
that
I
think
it
would
be
a
shame
to
pass
over
some
of
the
technical
expertise
we
have
on
this
board,
particularly
jeff
and
jessica
and
carmelo.
I
And
I
think,
as
a
a
working
group
would
be
really
helpful
for
us
to
look
at
some
methods
of
mitigation
that
we
can
present
to
our
community
on
our
web
page
in
our
in
our
conversations
with
people,
and
I
I
would
hate
to
waste
the
resources
on
the
brain
power
and
the
experience
that
you
guys
bring.
I
think
it
would
be
a
really
super,
quick
and
efficient
and
and
maybe
just
a
couple
of
meetings
to
together
with
with
you
guys
to
actually
provide
that
that
service
to
our
community.
I
I
think
that's
what
we
all
are
here
for
at
the
end
of
the
day,
as
always
as
always
to
to
better
our
communities
and
and
just
given
this,
the
text.
Technical
expertise,
excuse
me,
and
I
would
really
like
to
ask
that
off
the
board
and
that
maybe
I
would
work
with
three
of
you
in
a
small
group
for
maybe
an
hour.
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
tons
of
ideas,
but
I
would
love
to
and
have
your
expertise
there,
so
that
we
can.
We
can
actually
communicate
that
to
our
community.
B
Good
and
absolutely
we're
definitely
happy
to
do
that.
In
fact,
we've
already
started
per
our
last
meeting.
Brainstorming
some
different
ideas,
so
I
think
what
would
be
it'd
be
great
to
to
get
together
with
you
now
granny
with
the
three
of
us
and
sort
of
talk
through
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
have,
because
we
we
definitely
know
that
we
can.
We
can
help
in
that
situation,
but
also
just
had
some
ideas
in
terms
of
how
some
of
the
information
is
presented
to
the
to
the
community.
I
I
think
it's
a,
I
think.
It's
a
wonderful
you
know
gift
to
our
community
by
having
this
information
available
and
to
have
the
the
kind
of
technical
expertise
is,
is
really
what
we
we
want
to
be
able
to
tap
into.
So
thank
you,
and
I
know
you
know
daniel
and
I
are
not
acoustical
engineers,
and
so
you
know
we.
We
would
really
value
your
input
on
working
with
us
and
then
being
able
for
us
to
be
able
to
confidently
give
that
information
out
without
in
our
community.
I
I
think
only
helps
everybody,
so
maybe
we
can
maybe
we
can
just
gather.
You
know
I
can
email
you
jessica
and,
and
we
can
get
something
together
in
the
next
I
I
would
like
to
do
it
sooner
rather
than
later.
Just
because,
obviously
we
can
bring
it
to
the
board
for
the
next
meeting,
but
the
season
will
be
upon
us
before
we
know
it
and
I
think
it's
important
we're
trying
to
do
a
lot
of
proactive
work.
I
As
you
know,
it
would
be
nice
to
be
able
to
have
that
on
our
web
page
or
have
a
little
handout
that
we
can
give
out
to
people
jeff
or
carmella
would
be
willing
to
participate.
I
would
be
daniel
and
I
would
be
very
grateful,
as
I'm
sure
the
community
at
large
would
be,
and
your
fellow
board
members,
so
thank
you.
B
E
A
E
F
Just
for
the
notes
did
was
the
working
group
established
today
or
is
it
going
to
be
discussed
again?
Okay,.
F
And
do
we
have
the
three
people
that
will
be
on
it
or
two
or
three.
I
B
And
now
haley
will
check
in
to
see
if
we
have
any
public
comment.
Is
there
anybody
in
the
queue.
F
B
B
Why
I
I
do
want
to
read.
It
is
because
it
also
brings
up
what
we're
gonna
if
we're
gonna
focus
on
trash
collection
for
next
time.
It's
that's
what
it's
regarded
regarding.
So
it's
basically
sorry,
I
just
had
it
pulled
up.
B
Here
we
go
so
it's
from
somebody
that
has
a
condo
on
south
market
street,
and
it's
in
regards
to
section
1085
and
says
that
it's
not
working
the
section
is
regarding
open
operating
a
front
end
loader
for
refuge
collection
in
a
cbd
in
the
cbd
between
the
hours
of
7
p.m
and
5
a.m,
and
that
there's
four
dumpsters
along
48
south
market
street,
one
dumpster
behind
biltmore
avenue.
B
In
addition,
there
are
residents
who
live
along
biltmore
avenue,
workforce
housing
on
eagle
street.
That
can
also
hear
these
dumpsters
being
dumped,
and
it's
not
unusual
for
to
hear
the
five
or
six
dumpsters
being
banged
and
empty
on
a
monday
or
thursday
morning
before
6
30
a.m,
which
is
allowable
under
the
new
ordinance.
B
No
one
likes
to
be
woken
from
a
sound
sleep
with
these
metal
dumpsters
being
dumped
accordingly,
the
the
noise
of
these
dumpsters
being
empty
does
disturb
or
annoy
a
reasonable
person
of
normal
sensitivities
and
causes,
or
tends
to
cause
an
adverse
effect
on
the
public
health
and
welfare.
In
addition,
this
repetitive
impulsive,
sound
from
2
a.m.
To
7
a.m
should
be
at
the
decibel
sound
of
62,
which
I'm
sure
it
ex
it
exceeds
since
it
jolts
most
people
awake.
B
The
revised
ordinance
is
not
working.
Please
change
the
ordinance
with
later
hours.
If
that's
not
possible,
would
it
be
feasible
to
use
heavy-duty
plastic
number
dumpsters
for
garbage
collection
in
the
cbd
they
use
them
in
hawaii
and
it's
a
lot
quieter
than
the
metal
ones.
I'm
sure
there's
some
study
on
the
decimal
levels
when
a
front-end
loader
empties
a
plastic
dumpster
versus
a
metal
one
thanks
for
your
consideration,.