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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission – May 3, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Planning & Zoning Commission.
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A
B
Good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
today
is
the
May
3rd
Wednesday
May
3rd
2023,
meeting
of
the
city
of
Asheville,
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
will
hear
public
comment
on
items
which
are
listed
on
the
agenda.
If
you're
here
in
person
to
make
public
comment,
you
have
three
minutes
for
each
individual
and
up
to
10
minutes
for
a
group
of
three
or
more,
we
will
begin
tonight's
meeting
with
roll
call,
Mr
Palmquist,
chair.
B
B
We
have
two
items
that
are
being
continued
item
number
three
request
for
a
level
two
site
plan
for
68
Carter
Street
that
has
been
continued
to
the
May
or
will
be
continued
to
the
June
7th
2023
meeting.
I
should
say
along
with
item
number
five,
which
is
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
property
at
99999.
Grandview
place
will
be
continued
until
June
7th
2023..
Can
we
just
get
a
vote
on
that?
We
don't
necessarily
have
to
do
motion
full
doing
yeah.
B
F
G
B
That
motion
passes
the
next
item
then
we
have
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
April
5th
2023
meeting
any
questions
or
adjustments
on
those
by
anybody.
G
A
H
G
F
B
Request
for
a
level
two
site
plan
review
of
a
new
nine-story
mixed-use
building.
Excuse
me
located
at
72.
Broadway
Street
property
is
identified
as
pin
9649-41-2358
and
the
Buncombe
County
tax
record.
Excuse
me:
property
owner
is
BPR,
Asheville
LLC
applicant
contact
is
Warren
Sugg
and
the
planner
coordinating
review
is
will
pump
Quest.
C
The
chair
commission,
this
is
a
level
plan
level.
Two
site
plan
ministerial
review
for
a
project
called
create
72
Broadway
located
at
72
Broadway
Street.
The
project
is
back
before
you
having
been
entitled
at
the
July
6
2022,
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
hearing.
At
that
time
they
were
proposing
22
guests,
hotel,
guest
rooms
and
18
residential
units.
C
They
have
since
updated
their
plans
for
that
programming
and
therefore,
is
before
you
this
evening
for
another
level,
two
review,
as
you
can
see
here
on
the
map,
the
project
is
located
in
the
CBD
downtown
zoning
District,
it's
in
the
traditional
downtown
core
intermediate
height
Zone,
and
it's
in
the
hotel
overlay
allowing
for
small
hotels
up
to
35
guest
rooms.
C
So
the
site
itself
consists
of
one
parcel.
Approximately
one
quarter
of
an
acre
what's
being
proposed
as
far
as
the
building
goes
is
the
same
as
the
prior
review,
which
is
a
nine
story.
Tall
mixed-use,
building,
totaling
totaling,
just
under
100
000
square
feet.
What's
being
revised
in
this
review,
is
the
increase
to
a
total
of
32
hotel,
guest
rooms
and
23
condominium
residential
units
with
about
2
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space
proposed,
as
well
as
43
structured
parking
spaces
below
ground
level.
C
The
overall
project
does
satisfy
all
the
requirements
in
the
CBD
zoning
District
Landscaping
is
pretty
minimal.
It
includes
Street
trees
and
tree
canopy
preservation,
which
is
being
met
with
a
payment
and
fee
of
Lou.
There
is
a
green
roof
being
proposed
on
the
on
the
roof
of
the
building
and,
as
required,
new
10-foot
wide
sidewalks
are
being
constructed
on
Broadway
Street.
C
G
C
Some
building
elevations
this
is
the
west
elevation,
the
main
facade.
You
can
see
the
main
entrance
located
in
that
Center
portion
of
the
building
the
access
to
the
parking
subsurface
parking
access
on
this
garage
door.
Here
this
is
the
rear
of
the
building,
as
it
would
be
seen
from
North
Market
Street,
which
is
the
East
Elevation.
C
This
is
the
north
elevation
facing
the
the
Masonic
temple
property.
There
are
kind
of
these
kind
of
indentations,
where
suggesting
where
Windows
Windows
would
be
for
the
project
is
being
building
is
being
built
on
the
property
line
and
therefore
by
building
code.
They
cannot
do
windows
on
those
a
couple
stories,
but
that's
kind
of
the
gesture
that
those
objects
are
are
proposing
and
then
the
South
elevation
here,
the
building
the
building
jogs
back
at
this
point
in
the
building.
C
So
this
this
portion
of
the
building
is
kind
of
in
front
of,
and
then
this
portion
behind
you
can
see
there
is
a
garage
door
off
the
private
alley
at
the
rear,
mostly
for
service
access
and
things
like
dumpster
garbage
collection
and
some
renderings
give
you
a
better
sense
of
kind
of
the
overall
shape
and
form
of
the
proposed
building,
as
well
as
the
streetscape
plan,
which
includes
the
new
sidewalk
and
running
bond
pattern
with
a
brick
band
along
the
building's
Edge
and
also
along
the
main
entrance,
and
then
on.
C
So
the
Project's
been
reviewed
a
number
of
times
on
a
number
of
occasions,
informally
about
a
designer
Review
Committee.
It
was
approved
with
conditions
at
the
January
10
2022
technical,
Review,
Committee,
reviewed
informally
by
the
downtown
commission
and
ultimately
was
approved
by
the
design
Review
Committee
out
there,
June
16
2022
meeting
and
their
prior
submission
was
approved
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
at
the
July
6
2022
meeting
staff
finds
that
all
technical
standards
have
been
or
are
able
to
be
satisfied
and
recommends.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
Mr
Palmquist,
any
questions
comments
from
Commissioners
to
staff
right
now.
B
A
I
do
have
one
question,
sir,
on
the
North
elevation,
those
insets
which
are
supposed
to
look
like
Windows.
Why
does
that
not
have
to
wrap
around
to
East
Elevation
and
the
other
elevation
sides?
Why
is
it
just
on
that?
One
in
the
South
Village
yeah.
C
It
wouldn't
necessarily
it's
not
a
requirement.
I
think
the
South
elevation
word
about
the
property
line
there
as
well,
so
those
elements
aren't
aren't
necessarily
required.
C
Second,
one:
the
applicant
might
be
able
to
speak
to
the
design
intent
a
little
bit
more
I.
Think
I.
Think
the
north
elevation
is
more
visible
today,
since
the
devots
the
surface
parking
lots,
that's
why
they
added
them
to
that
elevation,
I,
think,
whereas
you
can
kind
of
see
that
the
other
South
elevation
yeah
but
the
building
and
then
the
rear
Elation
is
kind
of
screened
from
view
so
that
that
might
have
been
a
good
design
intent
regarding
those
yeah
regarding
those
objects.
C
The
TRC
report
still
references
the
old
land
use
totals
so
since
the
really
the
kind
of
technical
compliance
hasn't
changed
that
staff
report
hasn't
been
updated.
Essentially,
this
is
kind
of
their
only
kind
of
Step.
They
have
to
go
through
to
kind
of
reaffirm
that
that
site
plan
compliance
since
they
are
changing
the
proposed
uses,
still
are
within
the
range
of
allowed
uses
in
the
in
the
CBD
district
yeah.
D
Take
a
look
at
some
of
the
Legal
Information
provided
today.
I
wondered
if
that
had
any
effect
on
our
decision
today
or,
if
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
straightened
out
before
they
get
a
permit,
because
I
know
when
I
was
reviewing
plans
that
was
kind
of
like
it's
on
hold
until
we
get
this
cleared.
G
C
So
that
issue
is
the
question
of
the
projects
access
to
that
private
alley
at
the
rear
of
the
property,
where
the
proposing
service
access
to
this
came
up
at
the
the
other
last
July's
review
of
the
project
as
well,
and
essentially
the
city's
position
on
it
is
that
it
is
a
since
it
is
a
privately
owned
and
maintained
alley
that
you
know
we
don't
necessarily
have
an
interest
in
it,
except
that
you
know
the
project
is
proposing.
C
You
know
service
access
via
that
alley,
so
we're
reviewing
the
plans
with
the
assumption
that
they
have
the
ability
to
do
that,
because
they've
stated
as
such.
If
that
changes
and
the
project
has
to
be
redesigned
for
whatever
reason,
then
that
might
require
them
to
be
be
reviewed
or
there
might
be
another
that
might
actually
change
the
operations
of
the
project
and
might
have
to
go
back
to
the
technical
technical
review,
and
you
know
that
kind
of
thing.
C
But
at
this
point
as
far
as
we're
concerned,
they're
they're
statement
is
that
they
have
access
via
that
alley.
So
that's
our
I
guess
assumption
for
lack
of
a
better
word
and
I.
D
C
If
they're
access
service
access
change,
or
they
had
to
redesign
that
portion
significantly,
it
could
come
back
to
Tactical
Review
Committee
and
go
through
the
steps
again.
C
H
One
one
other
question
related
to
The
Alley,
that's
kind
of
just
more
of
a
curiosity
as
part
of
the
plan
sets
you're
required
to
submit
like
a
construction
staging
plan,
and
so,
in
this
case,
they're
showing
their
tower
crane
in
the
alley.
I'm
just
curious,
if
that's
ever
happened,
where
there's
an
off-site
Tower
cream
and
what
kind
of
agreements
need
to
be
in
place
for
the
city
to
approve
the
use
of
a
power
crane
off
site.
C
No,
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
there
would
have
to
be
some
demonstration
that
either,
if
it's
on,
if
it's
on
a
separate
property,
that
they
don't
own,
that
they
have
an
agreement
in
place
or
some
documentation,
I
would
think
to
be
required
to
show
that
they
in
fact
have
the
ability
to
do
what
they're
proposing
if
it's
off-site
yeah.
B
I
had
a
couple
of
questions.
One
I
was
trying
to
determine
because
I
know
it
was
TRC
report
planning
had
brought
it
up.
I
think
it
had
also
come
up.
Perhaps
in
a
DRC
comment.
The
exact
length
Frontage
on
Broadway
I
could
not
find
any
Dimensions
like
complete
Dimensions
I
could
obviously
it
meets
the
the
area.
The
the
glazed
area.
B
B
C
That's
a
good
question:
I
can't
recall
now
exactly
that's
something,
a
comment
that
needs
to
be
addressed
for
the
final
TRC
review,
so
we'll
have
that
in
hand
at
that
point,
for
sure
I
can't
recall
now,
if
that
got
ironed
out
or
not
in
the
meantime,
it's
actually
honest
yeah
kind.
B
Yeah,
so,
okay,
yeah,
because
that
you
know
obviously
had
to
do
with
all
the
ground
floor
activation
part
as
well
right
so
yep.
That
was
where
I
was
excited
with
that.
B
We
have
them
it's
allowed.
This
is
a
level
two
review
in
that
regard
too.
I
had
two
other
questions.
B
One
was
the
public
benefits
and
certainly
asked
the
applicant
when
they
come
up
and
then
also
how
much-
and
this
is
maybe
even
getting
further
into
the
weeds
of
TRC-
how
much
thought
and
I'll
ask
it
now
and
also
then,
of
the
applicant,
how
much
thought
has
been
given
to
making
that
a
left
turn
out
of
that
parked
garage
because
of
Rob
I
know
we're
dealing
with
the
dot
street,
but
I
know
that
was
a
comment
in
there.
Somewhere
is
about
potential
issues
with
that
yeah.
B
C
Right
I
think
we've
discussed
that
at
some
point
in
the
review
process.
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
that
determination
was
made,
but
that
would
be
required.
I
agree.
It
could
be
problematic,
though,
given
that
traffic
along
that
street-
and
you
know
just
kind
of
nature
of
the
character
and
everything
else,
yeah
well.
B
G
B
G
J
C
C
It's
level
two
I,
don't
think
you'd
be
able
to
condition
the
the
approval
you're
basically,
either
voting
to
affirm
the
compliance
of
the
project
with
the
Udo
or,
if
you
felt
like
it,
did
not
meet
the
requirements
in
the
video,
then
you
could
vote
in
the
negative
and
that's
kind
of
about
it,
because
this
is
not
a
If
This
Were,
a
conditional
Zone.
That
might
be
something
that
could
be
a
condition
of
the
approval.
C
It's
certainly
something
that
staff
can
look
into
further
and
I
can
for
those
comments
along
to
the
transportation
staff
on
the
review
of
the
projects,
and
that's
I
think
that
change
would
be
within
the
bounds
of
what
you
know
could
be
would
be
compliant
with
the
udos
I.
C
Don't
think
it
would
change
them
in
a
Serial
approval
of
the
project
if
it
received
it,
maybe
more
of
a
technical
consideration
that
they
could
take
up
with
with
transportation
and
Dot,
and
they
all
felt
everyone
was
in
agreement
and
I,
don't
see
a
reason
they
couldn't
do
it.
Okay,.
F
Evening,
chair
committee,
my
name
is
Eric
Howell
I'm,
with
mha
Works
architecture,
one
of
the
directors
with
Peter
Alvarez.
There
answered
a
couple
of
your
questions
before
you.
You
ask
I
believe
that
Broadway
is
a
key
pedestrian
street
I
believe
it
requires
70
Administration
requirements
and
we're
at
74
Administration
requirements.
I
believe
that
also
just
for
your
benefit.
This
is
a
it
all
ballet
parking
deck
even
for
the
private
owners,
all
ballet,
so
I
don't
see
it
being
in
a
difficult
task
to
see.
F
B
F
You
Patel
is
in
the
East
our
owner,
represented
he's
in
the
back
as
well.
He
informs
me
that
we
are
going
to
be
I,
mean
I,
don't
think
it's
final
decision,
but
the
140
points
will
probably
come
from
a
contribution
to
one
of
the
major
funds
and
then
either
using
the
green
roof.
As
you
know,
an
access
or
one
of
the
other
benefits
public
art
we
originally
we
did
public
art
and
that
didn't
go
through
as
planned.
So
we
need
to
revisit
and
look
at
it
to
figure
out.
B
F
B
J
You
kind
of
explain
that
a
little
bit
more,
you
know
where's
the
ballet
going
to
be
coming
in
cars
back
the
ones
and
you
kind
of
walked
me
through
that
process.
I.
F
Kind
of
fuzzy,
but
there
is
an
ax,
an
area
over
here
in
here.
It's
a
valet
sort
of
area
and
we
plan
on
striping
off
an
entrance
to
be
one-way
entrance,
One,
Way,
Out
and
then
valets
will
be
on
staff
to
immediately
move
the
cars.
So.
J
G
J
B
G
D
J
H
I
have
a
follow-up
question
on
the
public
benefits,
but
it
may
be
for
staff,
so
this
is
a
hybrid
project,
type
hotel
and
condo.
The
contributions
to
the
funds
that
get
you
points
in
the
public
benefits
table
are
per
room.
That
really
is
just
tied
to
the
hotel
part
right.
The
condos
are
not
factored
into
the
contribution
to
the
fund.
That's.
C
H
H
C
F
B
B
I
And
I'll
be
brief.
Good
afternoon
Commissioners
my
name
is
Brian
golden
I'm,
an
attorney
here
in
town
with
the
Van
Winkle
Law
Firm
I
represent
the
folks
that
own
the
building
at
52
Broadway,
that's
momentum
gallery
and
elevation
Loft.
We
have
previously
sent
and
did
today
or
yesterday,
sent
you
all
additional
information
about
the
access
and
so
I
understand
the
ministerial
review
process
and
I.
Guess
I'm
not
saying
this
as
much
to
you
all
as
I
am
to
the
applicant
themselves,
and
the
issue
comes
in
with
that
Alleyway
right.
I
Initially,
it
was
a
deemed
a
public
Alleyway.
In
discussions
with
the
city
and
doing
some
title
research.
We
discovered
that
it
wasn't
only
a
few
folks
along
that
Alleyway
have
deeded
access
rights
in
that
Alleyway
of
grave
concern
was
the
initial
indication
by
the
applicant
that
there
was
going
to
be
they
were
going
to
clear
the
alleyway
and
make
it
try
to
dedicate
it
to
public
use
so
that
they
could
bring
in
their
public
instead
of
Crossing
Broadway
the
sidewalk.
I
I
understand
that
if
it
checks
all
the
boxes
on
the
ministerial
review
and
the
applicant
says
we
have
access
to
that
alley.
You
all
aren't
going
to
you're
not
going
to
turn
it
down
because
I
say
something
different.
But
what
I
want
to
I
guess
I
want
everybody
to
understand.
Is
that
if
there
are
some
changes,
because
of
issues
that
we
have
discovered
with
the
rights
to
that
access,
that
it
may
have
to
come
back
in
front
of
this
board,
showing
no?
And
it's
really
just
that
access
that
they
have
they
say
for
services?
I
You
don't
know
what
those
services
are.
We
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
require.
We
have
parking
in
that
Alleyway.
We
have
bollers
that
protect
our
gas
lines.
We
have
overhead
power
lines
that
are
low
and
so
I'm
just
bringing
that
to
this
board's
attention
and
I'm
really
bringing
it
to
the
applicant's
attention
too,
but
they're
represented,
so
I
can't
talk
to
them
directly.
So
that
would
be
my
concerns.
I
We
do
have
some
concerns
with
their
ability
to
access
and
use
it
and
the
cranes
of
of
a
tremendous
concern
to
our
clients,
to
my
clients
and
the
others
that
use
that
Alleyway
for
parking
and
access.
Thank
you
thank.
B
B
Okay,
I,
keep
forgetting
to
ask
you
at
the
start
of
every
meeting
and
I
need
to
make
myself
a
big
name
about
that.
Thank
you,
Mr
Golden,
for
those
comments.
Yes,
you
know
that
is,
and
this
gets
into
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
it
just
brief
for
any
members
of
the
public.
Here
you
know
level
two
needs
to
be
as
Mr
Palmquist
I
think
pointed
out
a
minute
ago.
B
You
know
reviewed
based
on
the
Udo
requirements
as
long
as
an
applicant
the
project,
any
other
project
can
show
that
they
meet
those
level
two
requirements.
We
really
have
to
find
something
wrong
with
either
how
they're,
meaning
it
or
yeah.
Basically
with
how
they're
meeting
the
Udo
to
essentially
deny
a
project
if
they
show
that
they
have
access-
and
they
can
do
this,
then
essentially
we
need
to
approve
it
now.
I
will
say
that
they
could
get
construction
access
off
of
Broadway.
B
B
B
Nope
well
with
that
I
will
make
a
motion
if
I
can
get
to
it.
Excuse
me
I,
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
level
two
project
located
at
72
Broadway
Street,
as
presented
based
on
site
plans.
Elevations
excuse
me
and
materials
submitted
and
discussed
during
this
re
and
discussion
heard
during
this
review,
subject
to
addressing
any
outstanding
Technical
and
design
review
conditions.
G
B
B
We
will
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.
That
is
the
zoning
map
Amendment.
It
is
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
property
located
at
319
Biltmore
Avenue
from
Regional
business
Regional
business
RB
to
residential
expansion.
Conditional
Zone
res
EXP
ertise
are
identified
as
pin
9648-460425
and
9648-46
1623
in
the
Buncombe
County
tax
record
property
owner
is
the
city
of
Asheville.
Applicant
contact
is
Warren
Sugg
and
the
planner
coordinating
coordinating
review
is
Clay
Mitchell
before
you
get
started.
B
Mr
Mitchell
I
meant
to
make
a
note
of
it
in
the
planning
and
staff
report.
It
lists
it
as
residential
business,
so
just
a
typo
era
on
there
as
it
moves
forward.
I.
K
This
property
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
Biltmore
Avenue
and
newly
constructed
John
Walker
Avenue,
it's
split
by
the
road.
It's
it's
technically
two
Parcels
with
the
roadway
in
between
it
one
project.
This
property
was
acquired
by
the
Sea
a
few
years
ago
and
pardon
me
2020.
This
is
Sasha
housing
officer
who's,
a
part
of
the
project.
K
This
land
is
owned
by
the
city
after
several
years
of
work
and
an
RFP
project,
the
current
owner
or
the
applicant
is,
is
secured
an
opportunity
to
develop
this
parcel
in
order
to
do
that,
it
needs
to
be
rezoned
or
conditionally
zoned
to
residential
expansion
because
of
the
density
requirements
immediately
to
the
South
is
the
majority
of
Mission
hospital
and
then
to
the
north.
We
get
into
the
South
slope
area
of
downtown.
K
This
is
an
outdated
aerial.
Imagery
the
the
roadway
has
been
built.
The
the
heights
development
on
the
on
the
left
of
the
parcel
is
constructed
and
occupied
and
Lee
Garden
Lane
is
also
constructed.
K
I
I
got
this
shot
so
that
you
can
see
the
actual
Road.
This
is
actually
from
a
couple
of
months
ago,
apparently,
Google
drives
through
Asheville
every
three
months
on
the
on
the
left
is
the
parcel
data.
The
county
tax
maps
don't
yet
reflect
the
alignment
of
the
roadway
and
the
parcels,
but
there
is
a
recorded
plot
that
shows
the
roadway
and
the
actual
dimensions
of
the
partials
themselves.
K
The
future
land
use
designation
for
this
property
is
downtown,
which
is
includes
infill
development,
affordable
housing,
transitional
housing,
it
it
includes
a
number
of
different,
diverse
uses,
and
given
that
and
no
change
in
the
future
land
use
designation
is
required
for
this
project.
K
Here
is
an
overview
of
the
site
plan.
The
pink
line
is
new,
retaining
walls
this
just
this
for
those
of
you
that
remember
this
is
the
former
site
of
a
Ford
dealership,
I,
believe
the
two
buildings,
one
North,
which
is
noted
as
building
one
and
then
a
building
on
the
south,
which
is
building
two.
These
are
podiums,
so
there's
surface
slots
underneath
each
building
and
then
expanded
surface
parking
to
the
south
of
the
Southern
building
on
the
right
side.
K
Screen
right
is
Biltmore
Avenue
and
you
see
two
areas
that
are
activated
at
the
ground
level
with
Biltmore
Avenue.
The
buildings
are
pulled
back
from
Biltmore
Avenue,
anticipating
reconfiguration
of
that
I,
don't
know
what
stage
that
is
in
the
dot
planning,
if
it's
in
the
10-year
plan
or
something
but
there's
adequate
space
to
accommodate
the
widening
of
Biltmore
Avenue
for
reconfiguration
of
the
intersection
potential
additional
sidewalks,
but
that
is
forthcoming
also
on
the
property
at
the
right
right.
K
K
The
site
plan
show
part
sidewalks
being
added
to
the
southern
side
of
John
walk
away
and
along,
like
Lee
Garden.
The
rest
of
the
sidewalks
are
existing
and
will
stay.
Some
of
the
technical
modifications
include
a
reduction
in
the
width
of
those
sidewalks
to
match
the
existing
sidewalks
that
are
built
on
the
north
side
of
Lee
Garden
Way,
and
also
to
preserve
the
existing
sidewalks
along
Biltmore,
which
will
probably
be
changed
and
modified
when
dot
widens
the
road
interior
sidewalks
are
less
than
10
feet
required,
also
going
to
be
a
technical
modification.
K
The
affordability
of
the
project
is
at
30
percent
total,
with
20
percent
of
the
units
being
at
60
percent
Ami
and
lower
and
10
percent.
At
80
percent
Ami,
there
will
be
102
units
in
North
building
119
in
the
South.
The
access
to
the
podium
parking
are
is
imposed,
entrances
at
about
the
midpoint
of
each
building
and
there's
an
additional
access
point
off.
Lee
Garden
way
into
the
surface
parking
lot,
256
spaces
total
and
the
southern
building
has
actually
leasable
space.
This
has
changed
a
couple
of
times.
K
The
the
applicant
will
probably
hopefully
update
us
on
on
the
constituency
of
those
spaces,
the
northern
activation.
It
appears
to
be
exclusively
amenities
for
the
residential
units,
and
then
the
southern
portion
has
a
leasable
space,
separate
I,
believe
and
then
an
additional
amenity
space,
probably
serving
the
residents
of
the
Southern
building.
K
The
Landscaping
plan
and
tree
canopy
are
unified
across
the
two
Parcels,
because
this
is
one
project,
so
it
complies.
It
shows
the
required
open
space
at
20
percent
tree
canopy
protection
is
in
the
southern
portion
of
the
lot.
I
will
show
you
that
image
next
there
are
three
existing
Street
trees
that
are
able
to
be
preserved
on
Lee,
Garden
and
then
the
rest
are
in
compliance
and
actually
outside
of
the
right-of-way.
So
there's
no
interference
with
the
site
triangles
accessing
from
any
direction
of
any
access
point.
K
This
is
so
that
both
of
these
elevations
would
occur
if
you
were
standing
in
the
middle
of
John
Walker
way,
and
so
at
the
top.
You
would
be
looking
North
and
at
this
at
the
bottom,
you
would
be
looking
South
and
you
can
see
the
slope
from
Biltmore
to
Lee
Garden
the
change
in
topography.
You
can
see
the
large
rectangles
are
the
entrances
to
the
surface
below
building
parking.
There
is
one
area
of
the
northern
building
that
appears
to
be
a
courtyard.
It's
the
building
is
kind
of
like
a
oblong,
a
long
C
shape.
K
K
K
The
garage
entrance,
if
you
recall,
from
the
site
plan
this
building,
has
the
north
building
I
ever
ran
it.
The
southern
building
has
two
entrances
in
that
are,
in
addition
to
the
entrance
off
John,
Walker
Avenue,
so
there's
an
entrance
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
and
then
there
what
what
I
think
is
a
one-way
entrance
into
the
east
side
of
the
building.
So
there's
going
to
be
some
traffic
flow
underneath
that
building
to
deal
with
all
that
parking.
K
Some
of
the
conditions
and
Technical
modifications
that
we're
looking
at
the
required
sidewalks
on
Biltmore
app
being
maintained
to
deal
with
the
eventual
widening
of
the
road.
The
building
set
back
from
Biltmore
Ave
is
greater
to
allow
for
that
to
happen.
We're
also
the
applicant
is
also
seeking
a
technical
modification
to
reduce
the
front
setback
to
zero
feet.
This
allows
for
greater
flexibility
and
development
and
gives
us
that
type
of
development
along
the
front
lot
line
which
which
we
prefer
in
these
downtown
areas.
Side.
K
Setbacks
are
15
feet
and
the
rear
setbacks
are
reduced
to
12..
There
was
some
question
about
how
we
treat
Corner
lots
and
so
to
cover
any
questions.
We've
included
a
technical
modification
that
the
corner
setback
will
be
reduced
to
seven
and
a
half
feet.
No
bike
lanes
are
being
shown
into
the
development
and
that's
something
that
the
council
is
increasingly
focused
on,
one
which
I
hope
we
can
talk
about
in
a
minute
or
two
they've
completed
their
neighborhood
meeting.
K
K
I
K
Consistent
with
a
plan
in
the
comprehensive
plan
for
the
city
of
Asheville
encourages
responsible
growth,
increases
diversity
of
housing,
Supply,
it
promotes
and
the
availability
and
access
to
Affordable
and
Workforce
housing,
and
it's
consistent
with
the
downtown
designation
of
the
property.
For
all
those
reasons
that
I've
mentioned
some
discussion
points
that
I
thought
I
would
point
out
for
the
commission.
Some
details
on
the
ground
floor
usage
along
Biltmore
that
these
are
things
that
the
applicant
can
probably
fill
us
in.
K
Another
is
some
narrative
about
the
the
way
and
the
intent
of
the
Southern
parking
lot
parking
area
and
whether
that
will
be
also
for
people
in
the
northern
building
pedestrian
access
point
from
that
southern
parking
lot
to
John
across
John
Walker
Lane
to
the
northern
building
the
flow
between
the
two
buildings
try
and
if
I
can
memorize
my
comments.
Two
of
the
items
that
I
put
on
this
for
just
for
open
discussion,
because
the
council
will
ask
me
about
these.
Things
is
thanks.
K
What
is
what
is
going
on
with
bike
lines
into
the
site
and
I
can
fill
you
in
a
little
bit.
We
talked
to
Transportation
about
this.
Both
John
Walker,
Ave
and
Lee
Garden
Lane
are
15
mile
an
hour.
Speed
limits
I
believe
is
that
what
it
was
and-
and
so
these
are
pretty
good
streets
to
just
consider
them
as
shared
facilities,
not
requiring
a
distinct
bike
facility
on
those
roads
themselves,
and
then
the
council
will
also
likely
ask
me
about
Sustainable
Building
practices
and
renewable
energy.
K
Well,
the
last
thing
I
forgot
to
mention
that
the
applicant
would
probably
want
to
update
the
the
commission
on
beyond
the
minimum
required
parking
for
bicycles.
If
there's
going
to
be
additional
parking
in
the
buildings
for
residents
with
that,
we
recommend
approval
of
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
conditional
zoning
with
the
project
conditions
that
I
mentioned
any
questions.
J
Foreign,
thank
you
for
the
nice
presentation,
so
in
building
two,
it
has
like
the
mail
room
and
it
has
like
a
retail
space
in
building
one.
It
just
says:
ffe
would
that
be
like
another
retail
space?
What
would
that
be?
For
so.
K
I
I
think
I
think
the
applicant
has
changed
these
things
a
couple
of
times,
and
so
that's
that's
why
I
kind
of
brought
it
up?
I
didn't
you
know
going
back
and
changing
all
my
reports
all
the
time.
So
hopefully
the
applicant
is
here
to
be
able
to
fill
us
in.
It
has
changed
a
couple
of
times
over
the
past
couple
of
weeks.
C
G
J
K
A
A
I
know,
even
even
though
it's
only
15
miles
an
hour,
it's
still
with
the
hospital
being
right.
There,
I'm
Biltmore
being
right
there.
That
is
going
to
be
a
place
where
people
cut
through
and
want
to
speed
through
so
I'm
just
concerned
that
I
don't
see,
effort
to
make
well,
I
won't
say
not
an
effort,
but
I
would
like
to
see
that
in
there
to
some
degree
I,
don't
know,
I
don't
know.
If
that's
that's,
not
necessarily
the
applicants
issues
it's
not
their
road,
but
okay.
A
K
D
K
J
And
what
about
the
trash
access?
Is
that
going
to
be
like
a
lot
somehow
locked
so
that,
because
it's
pretty
like
in
a
public
area,
so
I'm
just
wondering?
Is
there
going
to
be
like
some
sort
of
gate
access
code
to
get
into
the
trash
so
that,
like
the
public,
can't
come
and
just
like
dump
their
trash?
There.
K
I
would
imagine
so,
but
I'm
gonna
defer
I
think
that
the
squares
on
the
on
the
left
of
building
one
on
the
North
building
is
a
trash
area
and
then
I'm
not
entirely
sure
which
location
on
the
southern
building.
But
they
they
have
mentioned
that
those
will
be
internal
to
the
buildings
or
at
least
the
podium
parking.
H
I've
got
a
question
that
may
actually
be
for
Miss
vertinski
understanding
that
the
South
slope
Vision
plan
is
in
draft
form,
has
not
been
adopted
by
a
city
council
was
this
project
review.
This
is
within
the
South
slope
area
included
in
the
vision
plan.
Correct
was
there
anything
in
that
draft
plan
that
could
or
should
be?
You
know,
used
to
evaluate
the
proposed
project.
J
M
In
the
South
Sasha
vertinski
Community
economic
development
in
the
South
slope
Vision
plan,
it
does
have
a
strategy
around
using
city-owned
land
for
affordable
housing.
That's
really
the
most
direct
connection
to
the
plan.
It
actually
has
a.
M
H
M
G
E
K
E
E
M
H
Just
just
to
throw
this
out
there
for
future
consideration.
I've
I've
often
felt
like
when
there
are
other
mechanisms
in
place
to
ensure
the
affordability.
It
doesn't
really
have
a
place
in
the
project
conditions.
I
understand
it
when
the
conditional
zoning
is
the
only
mechanism
to
ensure
the
affordability
from
the
developer
of
a
you
know,
market
rate
development.
That's
you
know
offering
some
affordable
housing,
but
this
is
I
think
this
is
precisely
why
I
have
I
have
that
feeling
is
like.
H
There's
creates
conflict
among
the
documents
and
among
the
financial
arrangement
with
the
city
and
the
zoning
Arrangement,
and
then
it's
a
question
of
you
know:
does
zoning
enforce
that
so
I
I
guess
this
is
just
for
future
consideration
we'll,
obviously
do
it
the
way
we've
been
doing
it
for
this
one,
but
you
know
I,
don't
know
why
we
need
to
have
a
condition
when
there
is
a
con.
You
know
an
agreement
on
the
sale
of
the
property.
E
Like
a
deed
of
trust,
with
a
Housing,
Trust,
Fund,
so
I
know,
you've
mentioned
it
before
I
do
think.
By
the
time
all
the
documents
are
finished,
they
are
all
consistent
and
it's
two
separate
zoning
enforcement.
This
is
a
zoning
enforcement.
If
that
wasn't
meth,
there's
a
zoning
violation
if
the
deed
restrictions
not
met,
that's
something
you
take
to
court
to
say
this
is
a
deed
restriction
that
runs
with
the
land
for
the
30
years.
So
I
do
it's
about
when
suspenders
kind
of
approach.
G
E
And
I
I
don't
think
it's
a
bad
thing
for
when
people
are
voting
on
this
and
talking
about
affordable
housing
that
they
get
to
know
this
vernacular
that
you
know
so
well,
this
Ami
and
Target
and
whatever
it
might
seem
like
a
little
one,
I'm
going
back
and
forth
with
Target.
But
it
is
important
to
say-
and
this
will
come
up
when
we
talk
about
section
eights
too,.
E
B
And
I
appreciate
it.
You
know,
like
I
said
I
I
had
seen,
that
is,
the
total
was
30
not
knew
it
was
city-owned
property,
but
not
remembering
that
if
it's
city-owned
property
it
has
to
be
20
at
60
and
so
to
me
the
Target
was
not
but
I
appreciate
that,
and
it's
actually
about
that.
It
really
can't
say:
Target
I
have
several
questions.
B
H
K
M
B
So
regard
one
thing
regarding
Biltmore,
Avenue,
I
hope.
Obviously,
I
can't
force
anybody.
Please
don't
say
why
being
builtmore
Avenue,
so
the
Biltmore
McDowell
Corridor
study,
which
Council
approved
I,
believe
in
21
22
December
of
21
I,
believe
actually
calls
for
either
two
lanes
southbound
one
lane
inbound
or
some
variation
of
that,
depending
upon
what
happens
with
on
McDowell
with
bike
Lanes,
not
widening
the
road.
So
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
the
intent
through
French,
Broad,
NPO
and
the
city
and
Dot
is
not
at
least
what
is
out.
B
B
This
just
looks
so
Suburban
from
what
I
remember
seeing
seven
years
ago
get
suggested
or
six
years
ago
when
it
was
all
in
the
visioning
stage
and
they
were
going
to
be
I.
Don't
know,
Miss
vertinski
may
remember
eight
story,
buildings
here
and
lots
more
mixed
use
and
suggestions
of
office
and
I
realized.
B
Cheros
I
would
still
love
to
see
sharos
on
there,
I
realize
it's
15
miles
an
hour
as
I
think
it
was
commissioner
Faircloth
mentioned
people
are
still
going
to
fly
down
that
road,
because
I
mean
at
least
there's
parallel
parking,
but
it
feels
Suburban.
There's
two
giant
parking
lot
parking
garage
doors
on
it.
B
B
There
should
be
some
pedestrian
designated
crosswalk
across
there,
because
if
it
is
to
be
a
shared
Courtyard
for
both
buildings-
and
you
got
a
set
of
stairs
coming
down,
that
speaks
to
very
much
in
a
built
form
that
this
is
a
way
for
people
to
access
that
and
if
they're,
going
from
one
side
of
John
Walker
to
the
other
and
there's
not
anything
other
than
the
big
giant
entrance
to
the
parking
garage
and
then
the
plantings
on
that
retaining
wall.
B
B
B
H
I
I
would
Echo
the
chair's
comment
about
you
know
it's
it's
hard
to
be
excited
about
this
proposal.
I
know
it's
been
through
a
lot
of
iterations
and
and
I
have
to.
You
know,
disclose
like,
as
somebody
who
worked
very
closely
on
the
Maple
Crest
development
and
prepped
the
site
for
development.
I
may
have
some.
H
That
said,
I
mean
yeah.
We
need
housing
units.
This
is
satisfying
that
so
it's
going
to
be
hard
not
to
support,
but
I.
Just
wonder
if,
especially-
and
you
know
when
we're
talking
about
the
setbacks-
I
I'm,
all
in
favor
of
reduction
of
setbacks,
you
know
as
long
as
there's
pedestrian
oriented
design
and
really
the
sidewalks
are
up.
John
Walker
will
be
aboutting
a
parking
garage,
so
it's
kind
of
it
doesn't
feel
like
that
is
a
pedestrian
friendly.
H
H
Both
sides
of
the
road,
not
just
one
so
it's
sort
of,
but
you.
H
H
N
Evening,
chair,
commission,
oops
sorry
Sean
Zanes,
with
civil
Design
Concepts,
before
I
jump
into
the
questions,
and
everything
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
also
introduce
our
our
developers,
our
clients.
N
B
So
I
will
try.
You
can
angle
the
mic
too,
if
you.
N
N
I
just
want
to
get
just
for
help
to
talk
about.
First
of
all,
the
crosswalks
I
I
know
we
talked
about
the
crosswalks
in
there
and
part
of
it
is
I'm.
Just
gonna
first
treat
the
one
at
the
intersection
of
Biltmore
and
John
Walker.
N
Our
hope
is
just
with
the
anticipation
of
whatever
the
road
project
for
Biltmore.
Avenue
is
just
like
the
sidewalk.
We
want
to
wait
to
do
that
until
that's
done.
We
don't
want
to
build
something
twice
and
with
our
understanding
is
that
it
would
be
a
left
turn
lane,
and
so
the
intersection
would
move
in
more,
which
would
bring
that
crosswalk
closer
to
alignment
with
our
building
also
bring
the
frontage
closer.
N
As
far
as
a
mid
black
one
right
where
the
kind
of
parking
garage
entrances
are
we're
not
I,
know
Warren
and
I
talked
about
too.
You
guys
mentioned
the
road
speed.
That
is
a
concern,
and
so
the
best
or
most
feasible
safe
way
to
do.
That
would
actually
kind
of
be
to
create
a
hump
like
a
speed
bump
like
raising
that
whole
section
to
cause
people
to
slow
down.
I
know
street
parking
will
is
also
theoretically
a
street
calming
mechanism
the
trees.
N
You
know
all
those
things
kind
of
mom
people
slow
down,
but
in
reality
for
another
level
of
safety,
would
be
to
raise
that
that
would
entail
us
coordinating
with
the
city
of
Asheville
and
transportation
department
being
that
this
road
is
newly
constructed
and
it
would
us
raising,
it
would
kind
of
would
require
re-grading
and
real,
just
kind
of
re-grading
to
meet
both
ends
and
what
that
would
kind
of
Ripple
going
to.
Let's
see
a
trash
is
the
next
one
that
I
took
notes
on
so
for
the
building
to
the
South.
N
The
trash
is
accessed
off
that.
Do
you
see
the
loading
stripe
loading
zone
between
the
two
HC
spaces
will
be
like
a
garage
door.
You
can
pull
in
private
people,
pull
in,
get
it
pull
out
and
then
the
building
to
the
north.
Our
understanding
is
that
you
can
kind
of
see
the
arrow,
pointing
that
it'll
be
internal
and
again
a
private
private
service
coming
to
pick
it
up
or
street
level
or
spaces.
So
the
building
Montes.
M
A
N
Oh,
thank
you,
oh,
where
it
says:
Zoom
yeah,
foreign,
okay.
So
this
is
the
building
building
one
to
the
north.
The
Architects
have
been
refining
spaces
that
you
know.
So
just
what
space
is
allocated
to
what
so.
This
is
their
one
of
the
latest
versions.
We
have
that
kind
of
just
shows
the
breaking
up
of
those
uses
so
we'll
have
a
mail
room.
N
You'll
have
the
lobby
Fitness
I,
believe
there
was
yeah
office
space
and
conference
rooms,
those
so
there's
doors
accessing
for
those
stairwell
will
even
have
its
own
access
and
then
the
south
building
number
two
is
yes:
the
space
is
divided
between
mail
room
package
area
Lobby
again
and
Retail,
and
the
retail
will
be
accessed
off
that
main
lobby
entrance.
N
I
think
that
speaks
to
how
those
spaces
and
the
access
points
are
hopefully
clear,
clarifies
that
and
run
through
what
else
do
I
have
I
think
the
bike
parking
was
the
last
one
I
had
or
no
it's
on.
We
do
have
I
know.
13
spaces
are
required.
We
are
exceeding
that
by
pretty
much
double
and
doing
24
spaces
that
will
be
mixed
between
outdoor
spaces
and
also
inside
the
parking
decks
as
well
as
additionally
into
that
each
floor.
N
Plan
of
the
building
has
residential
floors,
has
storage
rooms,
and
so
it
was
my
understanding
that
those
possible
for
those
to
have
bike
parking
in
them
as
well
as
those
obviously
you
want
to
have
it
in
their
unit,
is
that's
up
to
them,
but
so
yeah
and
we
will
and
again
the
building
access
point.
Things
are
being
fine-tuned
and
so
are
like.
G
N
Me
our
bike
parking
locations
are
in
no
way
finalized.
In
that
sense,
I
want
it
personally.
I
would
want
it
to
just
jive
with
where
those
access
points
are
and
to
be
cohesive.
The
number
we
yes,
we
will
do
24,
but
the
final
location
I
definitely
want
to
make
sure
they
jive.
With
those
points
of
the
building.
A
N
Oh,
let
me
go
ahead.
Oh
you
can
kind
of
see
that.
Do
you
see
the
dash
outline
I,
don't
know
kind
of
see
this
Dash
outline
on
here.
That's
the
rough
area
of
the
amenity
space.
On
that
second,
on
the
first
habitable
floor
that
will
be
outdoor
space.
It
is
open
to
the
tenants
of
both
buildings.
Obviously,
yeah
I
understand
it's
just
a
great
outdoor
space.
It's
capitalizing
it's
on
the
south
side
of
that
building.
N
Patio,
yes,
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
the
programming
is
coming
with
iterations
of
the
plans.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
specific
items
that
they'll
have
out
there
per
se,
but
it
is
meant
to
be
a
benefit
to
the
to
the
tenants.
N
B
G
B
G
D
I'm
afraid
I
have
a
comment
when
I
opened
this
I
was
I
was
curious
about
it,
the
two
parcels
and
from
the
plans
it
wasn't
entirely
clear.
There
was
a
courtyard
that
was
kind
of
new
for
me
today,
but
also
it's.
This
is
a
new
site.
I
almost
don't
think
there
should
be
any
conditions
other
than
you
know.
The
use
of
the
property
I
mean
it's
brand
new
I.
Don't
understand
why
there's
any
deviation
from
the
requirements.
D
B
On
that
parking,
I
wouldn't
and
it
hasn't
been
brought
up
I
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
and
miss
vertinski
or
Miss
Ashley.
You
may
know-
or
at
least
refresh
my
memory
is
this:
would
this
project
be
going
for
litec
or
just
the
city's
investment
is
essentially
selling
the
land
correct
like
that's
all
the
city
is
doing
that
it's
with
Laurel
Street
and
is
the
developer
going
for
litec.
B
O
Been
listening
and
taking
in
a
couple
of
pieces,
so
I
will
just
address
that
question,
so
it
isn't
a
light
tech
development,
so
our
desire
is
to
do
a
truly
mixed
income.
Okay,
so
it'll
have
market
rate,
it's
80,
60,
Ami
and
I.
Think
what
was
not
mentioned
is
some
of
the
units
also
have
section
8
vouchers,
so
we'll
be
serving
folks
from
literally
the
lowest
incomes,
all
the
way
up
to
market
rate.
So
it's
truly
mixed
income,
which
is
difficult.
As
you
know,
we
do
it.
That's
what
we
do
every
day.
O
A
couple
other
notes
I'd
want
to
make,
though,
is
we
will
have
a
mix
of
ones
twos
and
three
bedroom
units.
So
that's
unusual
for
most
market
rate
developments
to
serve
families,
so,
theoretically,
with
an
elevator,
serve
building
you're
going
to
be
serving
singles.
Families
seniors,
basically
indexed
income
across
the
board,
so
for
us,
250
parking
spaces
for
two
is
for
us:
even
is
a
breathe
for
a
minute,
make
sure
we
have
enough
parking.
We
actually
think
it's
the
right
amount,
but
we
would
be
nervous
about
even
going
lower
even.
O
O
G
O
Good
I.
A
P
O
Is
really
to
activate,
we
have
Fitness,
we
have
the
effectively
the
folks
that
are
going
to
be
using
the
common
space
will
be
along
Biltmore
and
there'll.
Be
you
can
see
it
a
little
better
in
this
picture
that
so,
as
you
turn
up
and
walk
up,
John
Walker,
the
the
parking
lot
kind
of
dives
into
the
hill,
and
so,
as
you
walk
up
there,
what
you're
going
to
start
seeing
is
less
parking
deck,
which
we
know
is
just
a
one
of
those
things.
O
O
J
Yes,
you've
put
a
minimum
of
1200
in
in
there,
but
there
is
a
so
I.
My
comment
about
the
retail
is
I
mean,
like
I
lived
in
affordable
housing
in
my
20s,
and
it
was
nice
to
have
something
like
directly
downstairs
and
so,
if
I'm
living
all
the
way
on
the
corner
of
Lee,
Lee,
Gardens
and
John,
Walker
Avenue
I
have
to
walk
all
the
way
over
to
Bellmore
Avenue
I
mean
this
is
honestly
like
a
food
desert
here,
because
there's
nothing
else
close
by.
J
So
just
my
feedback
in
building
this
is
you
know
to
put
something
there,
but
also
just
to
put
it
on
that
John
Walker
Avenue,
because
you
know
coming
home
late
at
night,
you're
going
to
want
something
and
you
have
to
walk
all
the
way
to
the
corner.
But
I,
don't
know
what
retail
that
you
would
even
put
there,
but
even
just
to
have
like
a
7-Eleven
downstairs.
Was
nice
yeah,
you
know,
or
even
like
the
next
morning
to
go
downstairs
and
grab
a
coffee.
So
just
a.
H
To
build
on
that,
you
know
1200
square
feet,
I
I
know
it's
something,
but
it's
less
than
half
a
percent
of
the
total
square.
Footage
that
you
all
are
proposing
to
build.
It's
it's
tiny
and
for
the
prominence
of
this
site,
the
location.
The
aspiration
to
you
know,
provide
a
gateway
to
downtown
and
a
better
pedestrian
environment.
A
Well,
for
building
one
well
I
would
agree
that
it
raised
patio.
Pavilion
is
an
amenity
for
the
residents
there.
I
would
not
argue
that
it's
activating
that
space
since
it's
off
the
ground,
it's
not
really
late
connecting
to
the
street.
That's
my
personal
view,
but.
D
May
I
ask
so
what
is
the
change
in
elevation
from
along
John
Walker
Avenue?
Is
that
you
know
an
issue
of
you
know
not
even
be
able
to
to
fit
anything
habitable
along
that
crummage.
So.
P
We
can
get
you
the
exact
the
exact
distance
from
Biltmore
all
the
way
up
to
Lee
Garden
I
had
the
sort
of
the
pleasure
of
being
a
part
of
the
Maple
Crest
thing
too,
and
you
know
when
that
was
the
Ford
site
I'm
going
to
predict.
It
was
around
maybe
30
to
35
foot
of
difference
between
where,
where
it
was
John,
John
Walker
now
as
that
ramp,
that
goes
up
to
it.
E
P
P
We've
looked
at
this
several
times
with
several
different
groups
and
many
iterations
here
to
have
something
going
along:
John,
Walker
you're,
going
to
have
multiple
times
where
it's
going
to
need
to
step
in
order
to
not
get
into
sort
of
a
basement
condition,
so
just
to
kind
of
play
that
out.
If
you
had
something
that
tried
to
step
along
that,
your
second
level
up
now
becomes
either
really
really
high.
You
know
mezzanine
type
areas
or
you
start
to
have
to
do
something
weird
with
it,
so
it
really
does
play
with
I
know.
P
With
the
economics
just
being
honest
about
it,
if
you
start
stepping
things
along
that
Frontage
and
now
you
have
to
think
about
total
height,
it
just
really
starts
to
unravel
a
little
bit
and
I
certainly
hear
the
comments
on
you
know.
Just
the
the
wishing
that
there
was
a
lot
more
other
spaces
here.
It
gets
a
little
bit
challenging
with
a
residential
expansion.
I
know
it's
CZ,
so
you
can
sort
of
ask
ask
for
anything.
If
you
will
I
think
you
could
even
mention
like.
Why
is
there
any
conditions?
P
But
you
know
if
those
are
major
sticking
points,
we
can
certainly
look
at
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
prudent
to
push
the
building
all
the
way
to
build
more
with
the
idea
that
it
may
be
in
the
way
of
something
that
somebody
you
know
helps
outside
of
here,
just
kind
of
thought.
Through
a
little
bit.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Sugg
I'm
we've
got
a
commissioner
that
needs
to
leave
and
we
should
at
least
open
for
public
comment,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
that.
We
will
open
for
public
comment
at
6
23.
B
B
It's
not
in
the
urban
renewal
property
I
know
it's
not.
I
had
asked
staff
about
that.
I've
looked
at
the
maps,
but
it's
also
not
doing
anything
for
that
and
I
just
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
be
for
this
I
hate
it
I
just
but
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
I'm.
Sorry
I'm,
not
gonna,
go
down
in
flames
for
my
last
four
months,
but
I
can't
get
behind
this
one
I'm.
Sorry,
I
can't.
E
B
A
B
B
Yeah
because
there's
all
I
think
Mr
Mitchell
mentioned
that
there's
all
kinds
of
fundings
and
all
kinds
of
other.
K
P
Way,
smarter
than
me
to
understand
all
those
but
process
wise,
so
I
hear
you
guys
are
wrestling
with
lots
of
different
things
and
I
recognize
tonight
is
a
decision
of
some
sort
or
a
continuance,
and
then
there's
city
council,
which
is
you
know,
sort
of
the
final
say
if
you
will
so
what
are
on
what
are
the
options
that
are
on
the
plate
tonight
that
are
possible
a.
B
Vote
or
continuance
I
mean
yeah.
We
could
so
we
can
bring
up
a
continuance.
It
sounds
like
what
I
overheard
it
may
be
a
motion
to
deny,
which
means
Paul's
on
that,
so
we
can.
Obviously
continuance
has
to
be
agreed
upon
by
the
developer,
but
we
can
continue
it
to
what
would
be
the
June
I.
Can't
remember
is
that
the
fifth
seventh
seventh,
we
could
continue
it
to
the
June
7th
meeting.
B
Yeah
and
I
was
about
to
say
so.
The
couple
of
things
and
I
will
be
absolutely
100
up
front.
I,
don't
know
that
even
all
of
these
would
sway
me,
but
I
would
definitely
want
to
see
some
kind
of
pedestrian
access
going
across
John
Walker
in
more
than
one
location
and
I
feel
like
the
I
I
think
you
could
certainly
do
a
speed
table
without
having
to
repave
that
I
feel
like
I've
seen.
Certainly
speed,
bumps
and
or
speed
humps
I
realize
the
table
is
slightly
wider
installed
on
existing
roads.
B
Obviously
not
the
best
you're
going
to
have
issues
but
I
think
it's
certainly
doable.
Those
are
the
two
I
can
definitely
think
of.
Oh
the
sheros,
so
pet
access.
P
B
G
E
I
P
O
B
Yeah
and-
and
that
definitely
has
to
go
through
Transportation,
hang
on
a
second.
We
need
to
note
at
629,
commissioner
bubenek
had
to
leave
so.
P
P
Up
anything,
no,
no,
we
saw
the
Quorum
I
just
go
grab
it
real,
quick
procedure.
All
right,
yes,
I
mean
as
long
as
a
mid-block
Crossing,
which
can
be
negative,
can
be
a
positive
correct
as
long
as
they're
good
with
that
and
a
speed
table
which
is
going
to
basically
build
up
with
asphalt
or
concrete
right
there
correct
would
be
our
driveways
and
would
be
some
sort
of
you
know.
Pet
access
across
I
think
that
makes
sense.
P
So
I
think
that's
fine
and
I
think
right
off
the
bat
right
now
we're
already
in
agreement
there.
So
what's
the
next
set
of
things
that
we
need
to
address
either
tonight
or,
however,.
H
K
H
That
make
modest
improvements,
I
think
what
I
was
hearing
and
as
a
reflection
of
where
I
am
it's.
It's
truly
reconceptualizing
the
project
you
know
and-
and
that's
not
that's
not
fair
to
you
to
continue
it
if
that's
sort
of
what
what
our
expectation
is
so.
P
H
B
So
one
one
thought
I
had
in
my
mind
is
that
hotel,
which
is
still
not
yet
built,
I,
think
DRC
and
that's
a
hotel.
This
isn't
a
hotel,
we're
not
in
a
CBD.
They
don't
have
any
jurisdiction,
even
pnz
I.
Think
far
more
effort
went
into
that
hotel
about
activation
along
the
stream.
That
is
shown
here
and
I
I
realize
that's
going
to
sound
horrible,
but
I
think
I've
already
set
myself
into
the
fire
tonight
on
this.
D
B
D
B
G
H
H
We're
not
the
ones
that
can
obligate
the
money,
but
if
this
is
the
vision
that
aligns
with
the
funding,
that's
been
obligated
to
date,
is
there
a
vision
out
there
that
would
require
additional
funding
and
is
city
council
open
to
that
I
I,
don't
know
how
that
dialogue
can
happen.
It's
unfortunate
that
it
comes
to
pnz
and
we're.
You
know.
P
And
I
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
think
through
all
the
all
the
different
things
here.
If
we're
trying
to
get
up
to
that
say:
221
or
220
units,
and
we
need
to
have
this
breakdown
of
affordability
and
we
need
to
meet
one
two
and
three
bedroom
parking
counts,
which
were
pretty
much
dead
on
I
think
somebody
may
have
mentioned.
They
were
a
little
worried
about
the
number
of
parking
spaces.
I
think
I
think
were
adequate.
P
You
know
if
we
start
to
activate
and
take
away
some
spaces
that
are
now
parking.
We
start
to
have
to
look
at
either
parking
numbers
are
going
down,
unit
counts,
are
going
down
and
I
think
that's
counter.
You
know
maybe
counter
to
where
we're
trying
to
get
to
so.
O
Yeah,
if
I
could
make
a
statement,
I
would
say
is
sure
I
think
we
are
with
discussions
of
city
or
meeting
goals
around
affordability.
I
think
we
could
do
better
on
pedestrian
across
I.
Think
that
was
the
intent
it
maybe
isn't
shown,
but
definitely
we
could
work
on
pedestrian
across
I
think
we
can
work
on
the
activation
along
Biltmore
and
Lee
Walker,
but
I
don't
think
it
will
change
to
becoming
what
you're
describing
because
the
goals
we're
trying
to
meet
with
the
city
around
mixed
income
and
affordability.
O
So
we
are
I,
don't
think
we'll
be
able
to
get
there
so
I
think,
but
we
could
work
on
it
to
hit
some
of
those
other
more
modest
goals
to
make
it
more
pedestrian
friendly,
make
it
more
active
I
think
we
could
work
on
that.
Sure
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
to
the
other
Vision
based
on
kind
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
city
and
around
affordability
and
mixed
income.
B
No
and
that's
completely
understood
and
again,
I
definitely
feel
like
I
opened
a
camera
can
of
worms.
When
I
made
that
statement
and
and
again
it
was
definitely
a
vision,
that's
what
it
was
all
about.
It
was
complete
Concepts,
it
was
high
level
and
I
will
also
kind
of
link
it
back
to
what
the
purview
of
this
board
is.
B
I
mean
part
of
our
purview,
especially
when
it
comes
to
czs
is
how
do
how
does
development
align
with
the
goals
of
the
living,
National,
comprehensive,
know,
staff
and
this
I
fellow
commissioner
's
tired
of
me
hearing
saying
this,
but
you
know
we've
got
an
out-of-date
Udo
just
because
we
made
the
video,
it
doesn't
mean
that
we're
aligning
with
where
the
living
National
comprehensive
plan
is
and
when
I
look
at
this
I
go.
B
What's
the
Udo,
it
doesn't
do
this
and
it's
a
CZ
and
aligning
with
that
comp
plan
is
as
much
part
of
how
I
can
think
about
this
project
and
whether
or
not
it
is
a
appropriate
for
this.
As
does
it
mean
that
you
know,
and
that's
this
is
where
I'm
having
the
problem
I'm
not
having
the
problem
over
here,
I'm,
not
having
a
problem
that
it
needs
goals
for
housing,
for
what
the
city
wants
for
what
the
city's
talked
about
with
sale
of
city
land.
M
Can
I
just
say
something
sure
I
mean
I
I,
understand
and
that's
fair
I
will
also
say
that
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
that
vision
and
all
that
work
was
done
pre-pandemic
and
there
has
been
a
seismic
shift
in
housing
and
how
you
build
housing
and
how?
How
can
you
even
afford
to
build
housing
so
I
think
it's
a
little
unfair
to
try
to
hold
us.
You
know
the
proposals
we
got
back
when
we
were
looking
through
these
proposals
during
the
pandemic.
You
know
before
anybody
was
in
a
room
together.
M
They
were
not
what
we
hoped
for,
like
you
know,
I
mean,
or
they
cost
a
gazillion
month.
You
know
dollars
and
so
I
think
it's
not
that
what
you're
asking
for
is
bad.
Obviously
it's
you
know
good
goals,
and
we
would
love
to
see
that
too,
but
it
does
equate
to
Dollars.
Let's
just
be
super
clear
about
that:
it's
not
like
the
developers,
Being
Greedy
or
whatever
there's
just
math
involved.
B
B
Here
and
I
keep
looking
at
this
and
I
go
okay.
What,
if
that
whole
North
building?
Let's
just
take
the
north
building,
what,
if
all
that
leasing
Center
in
the
fitness
center
and
everything
else,
went
in
fronted
on
Lee,
Garden,
Way
and
everything
on
the
front
of
that
building
is
now
retail
that
faces
builtmore,
Avenue
boom
to
me
it
and
and
all
of
that
land
in
the
front
gets
activated
somehow,
instead
of
just
being
tree
plantings
and
grass
to.
K
B
This
bill
right
because
then
you've
got
activation
on
Lee
Garden
way
that
way,
you're
bringing
people
from
Maple
Crest
like
that,
starts
to
then
say:
there's
two
streets
that
pedestrian
like
that
starts
to
do
something.
That's
I
feel
like
100,
better
than
what
this
is
and
I
don't
feel
like
it's
a
huge
leap.
Yes,
it's
a
leap.
There
needs
to
be
more
retail.
You
need
to
work
out
those
numbers
cutting
out
perfect
ing.
Maybe
it's
not
cutting
out
parking,
maybe
you
say
hey:
can
we
do
a
zero
Frontage
on
Lee
Garden
Lane?
B
You
take
out
four
parking
spaces
and
add
that
again,
some
of
it
I
get
the
economics
and
I
feel
like
some
of
it.
Just
boils
down
to
and
I
see
this
every
day,
let's
just
go
with
the
normal,
because
it's
the
cheap,
easy.
No,
instead
of
trying
to
think
how
can
we
take
what
we
know
are
budget
constraints
and
think
about
something
different.
B
Stepping
billions
down
again
it's
easy
Podium
and
then
go
up
instead
of
stepping
a
building.
And
yet,
if
you
ask
people
what
places
they
like,
everything
is
about
buildings
of
either
brand
new
or
recently.
But
it's
all
dated
on
buildings
that
were
built
ages
ago,
where
it
was
individual
Lots
in
the.
K
D
P
O
B
O
It's
worth
us
looking
at
some
options:
I
can't
promise
we
can
do
any
of
them.
We
may
come
back
and
say
we
can't
actually
do
anything
different
than
what
we're
doing,
because
I
will
tell
you
while
I
know
from
a
building
standpoint.
Looking
at
you
may
say:
oh,
this
is
similar
to
other
things
as
a
mixed
income.
Housing
developer
people
don't
do
this.
We
don't
have
buildings
that
have
market
rate
with
Folks
at
30
Ami
living
in
that
same
building
without
using
a
tax
credit
which
is
because
a
tax
credit
would
mean
more
parking.
Yes,.
B
O
Would
look
from
your
eyes,
it
would
look
worse
than
it
is
today.
So
this
is
from
that
standpoint,
not
DOT.
This
is
Anime.
This
is
something
we
do
and
very
few
others
do
it,
and
so
I
would
say
we
can
look
at
some
options
and
I
appreciate
that
kind
of
some
ideas
to
see.
If
could
we
do
activate?
Do
something
different
on
Biltmore
that
allows
us
to
pull
something
into
the
site.
That's
non-residential,
I
can't
promise.
We
can.
We
may
come
back
and
say
nope,
it's
very
similar
to
what
we
showed
you
last
time.
I
O
As
we
put
a
single
dollar
into
a
parking
deck,
the
rents
go
here
and
there's
no
way
to
serve
30
60
Ami.
So
this
was
a
little
actually
out
of
the
box
for
us
to
have
some
parking
under
a
structure,
but
allowing
some
of
the
parking
to
be
surfaced
is
how
we're
going
to
serve
Folks
at
30
and
60
and
80
Ami.
To
be
frank,
so
that's
why
that
surface
parking
is
there.
H
But
but
to
be
clear,
I
mean
you
keep
mentioning
the
affordability
as
a
constraint,
but
the
land
is
donated
by
the
city,
and
that
is
the
mechanism
that
can
be
used
to
get
the
affordability.
It
may
not
reflect
in
your
mind,
but
full
value
of
the
discounted
rents,
but
there's
a
very
substantial
City
investment
to
get
that
affordable
housing.
So
I
take
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
with
that
being
used
as
a
constraint
of
why
the
project
isn't
more
Innovative,
because
there
is
subsidy
for
that
from
the
city
and.
O
O
E
M
G
E
A
yes
or
no
correct,
and
the
only
little
compromise
I
think
it
seemed
like
there
might
be
something
tonight,
you'd
be
willing
to
write
in
as
a
condition
that
was
doable
about
this.
E
We've
had
conditions
before
where
we're
sort
of
like
we
agree
to
look
at
this,
and
if
it's
feasible,
do
it
and
then
that
condition
gets
written
in
and
if
it
did
then
go
up
to
council
at
least
that
condition
would
be
in
there
because,
as
some
of
the
Commissioners
have
said,
some
of
these
changes
you.
It
sounds
like
that.
You
they'd
want
to
see
in
order
for
it
to
be
supportive
might
take
some
time.
But
then
that's
your
choice.
I
just
want.
B
And
one
thing
and
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
Miss
Ashley,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
times-
I
am
on
this.
If
we,
if
we
were
to
continue
it,
if
the
applicant
agreed
to
continue
it
and
we
continued
it
to
June
7th
as
long
as
it
got
properly
noticed,
it
could
still
stay
on
the
council
agenda
for
the
13th
at
least
it
just
gives
them
to.
In
other
words,
we
would
still
be
voting
on
it
on
this
on
the
seventh.
Does
that
give
I
guess
the
bigger
question?
B
Then
it's
not
necessarily
about
the
noticing
that
it's
on
the
council
agendas
that
does
that
give
staff
three
days
to
turn
it
around
I
know
we
did
it
on
the
one
in
Shiloh,
Laurel,
Woods
yeah.
That
would
be
my
only
concern
because
then
they
don't
have
a
council
doesn't
meet
again.
It's
just
the
one.
July
I
keep
thinking
they
have
two,
but
it's
just
oh
that's
right.
They
do
have
another
June
one!
That's
two
on
the
27th.
B
B
B
B
H
G
G
C
C
A
C
G
G
A
N
B
B
H
B
C
C
E
O
A
A
E
K
B
We'll
return
to
session
at
6,
54
P.M.
P
P
At
that
time,
we'd
like
to
bring
back
some
new
ideas.
Hopefully
we
can
meet
as
many
of
them
as
we
talked
about
tonight.
If,
if
you
guys,
along
with
staff,
if
you
could
help
us
just
note
all
those
things
that
are
important
to
us,
we'd
like
to
try
to
reach
as
many
of
those
as
we
can
and
then
with
the
idea
that
we
would
be
able
to
go
to
City
Council
on
the
June
27th
City
Council.
P
B
Right,
yeah,
no
I,
think
I
appreciate
your
all's
willingness
to
to
hear
what
we've
said
collectively,
what
we've
said
and
take
that
to
heart
and
be
willing
to
take
the
time
to
to
consider
as
much
of
those
as
you
can
so
I'm
happy
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
continue
the
reconditional
zoning
request
of
319
Biltmore
Avenue
to
the
date
certain
of
June
7th.
H
B
B
Thank
you
all
very
much
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
We
still
have
two
more
items
on
the
agenda.
I
think
these
are
going
to
be
fairly
quick
because
I
know
we've
heard
one
of
them
already
that
first
one
is
a
request
to
consider
a
proposed
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
seven
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
revise
neighborhood
meeting
requirements
for
level
two
projects.
Major
subdivisions
and
conditional
zonings
planner
coordinating
review
is
Chris
Collins.
L
Where
did
I
put
those
all
right
good
evening?
Commissioners
I'm,
Chris
Collins
with
the
cities,
development
services,
department
and
I
have
a
few
slides
for
you
that
I'm
going
to
Breeze
through
really
quickly
because
you've
all
seen
them
already
so
we're
going
to
do
a
quick
run
through
this
is
a
continuance
of
our
last
discussion
from
March
on
the
zoning
text
amendment
to
go
to
commit
some
changes
to
the
pre-development
application
community
meeting
requirements
for
level
two
major
subdivision
and
level
three
conditional
zoning
projects.
L
We
said
that
part
we've,
as
we
said
before,
we've
done
some
work
with
neighborhood
groups,
the
decag
and
other
stakeholders
we're
looking
to
take
the
notification
radius
from
200
to
400
feet
outside
of
the
CBD,
we're
looking
to
take
the
duration
of
notice
from
10
days
prior
the
meeting
to
14
days
of
the
prior
of
the
meeting
everywhere,
we
are
looking
to
change
some
of
these
current
regulations,
which
I'll
Breeze
through
the
current
and
just
say
that,
in
summary,
we're
looking
to
require
the
registration
of
the
meeting
notice
with
the
city,
we're
looking
to
require
a
city
provided
template
some
forms
in
advertising
and
Reporting
meetings
that
are
held
to
meet
these
requirements.
L
Looking
for
a
formalized
requirement
to
report
a
meeting
to
the
city
and
requirement
to
follow
a
best
practices
guide
for
both
developers
and
neighbors
participating
in
this
process
and
email
notice
to
the
neighborhood
association,
all
right,
we
said
last
time:
CBD,
it's
200
addresses
now
Property
Owners
400
was
a
very
burdensome
number
at
that
point.
It's
already
somewhat
unattainable,
sometimes
as
it's
written.
L
What
you
all
asked
me
to
take
a
deeper
look
at
is
what
the
Udo
requires:
City
staff,
to
provide
notice
of
right
now
to
make
sure
there's
no
need
to
gain
parity
in
that
200
versus
400
foot
radius,
so
I'll
slow
down
a
little
bit
as
I
give
you
that
answer
so
I'm
going
to
take
these
by
hearing
type
on
What.
The
Udo
requires
the
city
to
notify.
Folks
of
and
the
first
of
those
are
quasi-judicial
hearings.
L
The
city
right
now
requires
notification
of
all
of
budding
properties
and
the
reason
the
abutting
property
requirement
is
there
rather
than
a
radius
is
because
you're
trying
to
capture
those
who
may
have
standing
to
participate
in
those
quasi-judicial
hearings,
so
casting
a
wider
net
might
create
more
of
a
misunderstanding
of
who
can
participate
in
those
hearings,
so
the
intent
there-
and
it
was
changed
somewhat
recently
to
be
paired
back
to
just
debuting
properties.
The.
L
To
simplify
those
proceedings
and
get
the
people
who
should
be
involved
most
likely
involved
so
not
recommending
any
changes
to
quasi-judicial
hearings
and
the
notification
requirements
post
approval
notice
is
the
second
type
that
the
udl
requires
City
staff
to
send
out,
and
this
is
just
as
I've
titled
it
post
approval
after
the
TRC
approves
a
major
subdivision
or
a
level
two
site
plan.
The
city
modifies
all
within
200
feet.
L
I
did
notice
a
chance
for
parity
here,
because
because
this
could
come
into
parity
with
what
we
just
talked
about
with
quasi
judicial,
because
the
reason
that
we
provide
that
notice
is
so
that
if
someone
had
grounds
for
an
appeal,
they
could
do
that
and
in
order
to
appeal
through
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
you
must
have
standing.
So
for
me,
I
was
like
hey,
there's
a
good
opportunity.
L
L
Sorry,
it's
like
my
squirrel.
There
rezonings
conditional
zonings,
which
this
group
is
very
familiar
with
right
now.
The
city
goes
above
and
beyond
the
160d
requirements
required
by
the
state.
It
notifies
everyone
within
200
feet
of
the
hearing
date
when
we're
talking
about
developments
we're
already
pretty
far
into
the
process.
At
this
point,
we've
had
a
neighborhood
meeting
notification.
That's
gone
out
simple.
L
If
Simplicity
notifications
have
gone
out,
Simplicity
notifications
include
a
link
to
the
page
where
all
public
hearing,
all
technical,
all
technical
review,
hearings
and
other
information
about
the
development
can
be
viewed
when
we're
getting
to
a
planning,
zoning
or
city
council
date.
That
information
has
been
out
there
since
the
application
came
in
and
has
progressed
moving
forward
and
as
I
said
here,
cases
can
be
followed
in
simplicity.
L
My
take
on
this
was
not
to
make
a
change
here
either
because
we
are
so
far
down,
so
many
interactions
with
the
community
have
gone
out
at
this
point.
There's
a
couple
of
reasons
as
we
move
forward
with
updates
to
Simplicity
I
think
are
really
a
better
way
to
do.
This
would
be
allow
what
we
envisioned
from
the
beginning
with
that
system
is
kind
of
a
subscribe
button
there.
That
says:
hey
email
me
when
anything
changes
with
this
development
and
it's
my
understanding
from
RIT
Department.
That
is
something
we
can
do.
L
We
just
need
to
commit
to
it
and
also
the
the
other
thing
we
consider
anytime.
We
kind
of
cook
up
whatever
notifications
are
going
on,
is
the
concept
of
communication
fatigue
or
over
communicating
something
right
and
which
sometimes
has
the
effect,
whether
you're
doing
it
for
a
community
planning
effort
or
notifying
people
of
a
development
of
reducing
the
effectiveness
of
communication.
L
B
H
G
H
Follow
developments
and
for
developers
to
have
that
conversation
really
appreciate
the
tools
available
to
track
and
and
manage
the
neighborhood
meetings.
I
think
that
all
that
has
been
very
good.
That
said,
I
just
remain
unconvinced
that
this
proposed
amendment
sort
of
feels
like
a
very
small
barrier,
that's
being
added
into
the
approvals
process,
so
I
can't
approve
it
today.
G
H
I
think
just
you
know
the
the
time
that
it
processed
I,
don't
think
this
is
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
huge
burden.
I,
don't
think
it's
very
modest.
It's
not!
You
know
and
I
think
that
the
developments
that
I
work
on
we
would
be
happy
to
follow
these
new
standards,
but
it
seems
to
be
moving
in
a
different
direction
to
some
of
the
other
things
that
have
been
contemplated.
The
city,
where
we're
trying
to.
D
Are
reasonable
are
in
the
public
interest
are
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meet
the
development
needs
of
the
community
and
that
the
amendment
will
one
help
promote
Equity
within
the
app
pre-application
process
of
Land
Development
to
increase
opportunities
for
constructive.
Unlike.
B
How
it
is
worded,
this
is
actually
going
to
be
the
we'll
call
it
an
informal
review.
Basically,
although
technically
we're
not
allowed
to
have
those,
but
we
know
this
will
be
continued.
This
is
kind
of
a
first
glance
at
a
request
to
consider
a
proposed
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
seven
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
revise
the
allowed
uses
table.
Planner
coordinating
review
is
Clay
Mitchell.
K
So
I
I'd
like
to
research
that,
because
I
think
having
us
bring
informational,
you
know
kind
of
pre-notice
of
what
we're
doing
can
be
helpful,
so
absolutely
I'm,
gonna
I
would
like
to
look
into
that
to
see.
If
we
can
do
this,
we.
B
K
So
let
me
give
you
information
on
a
project
we're
working
on
that.
You
will
eventually
see
formally
at
some
point
in
the
future.
The
unified
development
ordinance
is
somewhat
complicated
and
it
it
is.
I
have
spent
the
last
six
months
trying
to
work
with
it
and
there's
for
a
while.
K
The
city
has
been
talking
about
a
comprehensive
amendment
that
that
is
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
away,
apparently,
whatever
time
frame
that
happens
to
be
in
the
interim,
however,
it
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
amongst
DSD
staff
and
and
sap
at
our
department
up
and
playing
Urban
Development
who
work
together,
who
are
dealing
with
an
ordinance
that
is
unwieldy
and
complicated,
and
so
will
and
I
talked
about
the
idea
of
coming
up
with
kind
of
layered
approaches
to
making
amendments
to
the
Udo
and
the
the
first
layer
are
kind
of
technical
amendments
that
correct
formatting
errors
or
confusion
that
don't
involve
a
substantive
change
to
the
text
or
the
impact
on
people
that
are
covered
by
the
Udo.
K
Our
hope
is
well
in.
In
our
opinion,
this
is
such
a
change
and
one
that
is
right
for
review
and
to
try
and
get
these
things
done.
While
we
wait
for
this
comprehensive
update,
there
are
four
separate
multi-tab
spreadsheets
floating
around
the
city
of
the
proposed
changes
to
fix
the
Udo,
and
so
we
decided
to
tackle
one
and
it
and
that
one
is
the
table
of
uses
there,
and-
and
so
this,
in
our
opinion,
is
kind
of
a
maintenance
and
structural
update.
There
are
four
tables
of
uses
in
the
Udo.
K
There
are
four
more
lists
of
uses
that
are
permitted
and
expressly
prohibited,
and
the
idea
here
is
we
can
bring
these
all
into
one
Global
unified
table
because
they've
been
separated
for
so
long
they've
been
tweaked
and
amended
to
the
point
where
they
don't
Jive
at
all,
and
they
talk
about
uses
that
we
don't
Define
anymore
or
they
talk
about
uses
like
we
say.
Retail
and
Retail
includes,
and
then
we
list
all
the
things
that
it
includes.
K
Then,
in
the
table
of
use,
we
break
all
of
those
separate
uses
out
unnecessarily
and
so
the
the
just
determining
whether
you
can
use
your
property
in
a
particular
way
for
a
for
a
citizen
that
is
not
a
planner
in
this
city.
It
is
an
imposing
task,
and
so
our
effort
here
is
to
try
and
bring
everything
together.
So
you
can
go
to
one
table
and
you
can
tell
wherever
your
property
is,
what
use
you
can
have
and
also
what,
with
the
reason
why
this
is
informational.
K
K
So
what
did
we
do?
We
searched?
Oh,
this
one
works.
We
took
all
of
those
tables
and
we,
you
know
we
took
all
of
those
tables.
We
put
them
in
one
giant,
Global
draft
table
and
and
this
this
was
a
staff
effort,
and
then
we
highlighted
all
the
weird.
You
know,
inconsistencies,
for
instance,
one
table
will
say
clinic
and
another
table
will
say
health
clinic,
and
then
we
go
to
the
definition
of
use
and
there's
no
definition
of
clinic,
but
there
is
a
definition
of
health
clinic.
K
So
obviously
we
think
that
clinic
should
be
Health
Clinic.
We
solicited
comments
from
all
of
the
staff
that
you
use
the
table
and
we.
E
K
58
comments
and
we
were
able
to
build
a
new
draft
table
that
has
all
the
uses
Unified
unified.
Originally
we
were
going
to
make
the
impact
table
a
separate
project
because
it's
a
little
bit
different,
but
the
council
asked
us
to
postpone
our
public
hearing
and
so
we're
trying
to
bring
that
step
into
this,
and
so
that's
why
tonight
I'm
introducing
the
project
we
don't
have.
The
land
use
impact
unification
done
yet
that's
happening
next
week
and
we
will
have
that
all
together.
K
This
is
what
the
table
of
use
looks
like
today.
So
that's
the
main
table.
Here's
the
table
of
uses
in
the
Haywood
District,
here's
a
table
of
uses
in
the
river
Arts
District,
and
then
what
we
did
is
brought
all
these
things
together
and
enjoying
it.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
the
Insight
in
our
process,
so
you'll
see
the
colors
describe
similar
uses
from
multiple
tables,
and
so
we
went
through.
We
said
well,
one
use
says
parking
lots.
The
other
use
says
parking
surface
slot
and
we
said:
can
we
merge
them?
K
We
got
solicit
comments
from
all
the
staff
and
we
ran
across
this
this
spreadsheet.
To
see
if
we
could
merge
these
uses,
if
we
couldn't
merge
a
use,
we
kept
it
separate,
and
so
there
will
there
may
be
New
Uses
in
the
table
of
uses,
but
that's
so
that
we're
not
changing
the
substance.
It's
very
important
for
us
to
not
make
this
a
substantive
change,
because
that
would
require
more
time
and
it'll
end
up
being
on
that
spreadsheet
and
it'll
never
get
done.
K
This
is
what
the
draft
table
of
use
looks
like
it's
one
table
one
place
one
reference
I
know
it's
teeny,
tiny
and
small,
but
we'll
figure
out
a
way
to
format
it
so
that
people
can
use
it.
But
now
everybody
will
be
able
to
go
to
one
place
if
this
is
adopted
and
to
be
able
to
tell
how
they
can
use
the
property
and
what
uses
so.
K
One
table
to
rule
them
all,
but
but
we
think
this
is
important,
that
the
the
the
the
staff
down
at
DSD,
who
who
field
the
incoming
planner,
calls
the
you
talk
a
lot
about
having
to
explain
to
Citizens
about
all
the
different
places
that
they
need
to
go
in
the
ordinance,
and
we
think
that
this
will
increase
customer
service
for
people
it'll.
Definitely
the
pain
that
staff
has
and,
most
importantly,
it
increases
the
ability
of
us
to
make
those
substantive
changes.
K
K
K
That's
kind
of
a
unique
example
like
well
the
other
one
that
I
didn't
I
kind
of
blazed
by
was
the
parks
one.
So
this
this
is
only
a
short
listing.
I
should
have
captured
all
of
them.
There
were
about
seven
different
ways.
We
described
Parks,
but
none
of
them
were
defined,
and
so
you
know
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
that
all
happen.
Like
see
once
Parks
passive
and
Greenways
Park's
passive
in
Greenway
Park's
playground
in
Greenway,
you
know
it
became
so
it
didn't
make
any
sense
to
us.
K
K
If
we
yeah
the
problems
we
have
today
will
be
there
tomorrow
after
this,
because
our
in
our
opinion
that
that
would
reflect
a
substantive
change
and
so,
like
you
know,
the
next
stage
would
be
hey.
Let's
look
at
all
these
uses.
Do
we
have
uses
that
we
really
don't
need
to
keep
separate
and
are
there
uses
here
that
are
not
defined?
Do
we
need
new
definitions,
things
like
that,
so
it
really
is
kind
of
a
structural
change
with
the
idea
that
that's
an
important
Next
Step.
B
G
B
D
I
just
thought:
I
guess
the
reason
I
ask
about
the
definitions.
It's
so
important
to
talk
about
those
when
talking
about
the
zoning
ordinance
and
you
know,
building
code
but
also
like
for
clients
like
can
I
even
do
this.
What's
the
definition
they
always
go
to
that,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
table
being
condensed
but
I'm
I
I
wonder
if
there
will
still
be
confusion.
I
know
we
can't
prevent
that,
but
there.
K
There
may
be
and
and
I
think
that
that's
it
and
that's
why
I
say
every
three
or
four
months,
and
so
when,
when
we
bring
the
unified
table
to
you,
I
can
say
these
are
the
things
that
are
not
defined
and
you
and,
and
you
know
a
suggestion
from
playing
Zone
could
be.
Maybe
that
would
be
your
next
step.
We'd
love
to
see
something
like
that
and
then
I
can.
B
And
I
was
about
to
say
it
sounds
like
commissioner
Levi.
What
you're
asking
for
is
for
the
next
thing
that
Mr
Mitchell
brings
is
the
definition
because
I
think
I
think
those
do
right,
they're
they're,
like
dovetailed
and
not
to
say
that
there's
not
600
other
things.
We
need
to
change
all
at
the
same.
G
B
Yeah
I
agree
that
table
is
kind
of
wonky
and
then
maybe
the
definition
like,
if
you
can't
do
them
both
at
the
same
time,
get
up
one
right
after
the
other.
Hopefully
that
then
starts
to
go.
Here's
the
problems.
Okay,
we've
made
the
problem
smaller.
Next
one
makes
it
smaller
and
we're
slowly
it's
making
less
and
less
problems.
Yeah.
K
G
E
Most
cities
do
have
a
news
table
and
that's
really
the
primary
thing
that
I
thought
most
applicants
went
to
because
you
look
at
your
use
table
instead
of
trying
to
go
through.
The
definitions
are
older
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you'd
say
to
your
clients.
Let's
look
at
the
use
table
first,
but
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
some
defining
uses.
The
news
table
is
legally
very
important.
B
H
I
think
one
question
I
have
is
around
why
these
different
use
tables
exist
because
I
think
the
issue
is,
we
have
the
form
districts
that
have
separate
use
tables
and
so
what
you're
doing
is
sort
of
rolling
them
into
one
which
I
I
agree
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
My
recollection
I
could
be
totally
wrong
about
this
when
the
Forum
districts
were
being
developed.
It
was
because
of
us,
like
a
state
statutory
requirement
that
you
can't
do
True
Form
based
zoning
in
North
Carolina
there
had
to
be
a
use
table.
H
E
G
K
K
L
L
So
if
you
go
to
a
use
in
Haywood
Road,
that's
not
listed
at
all
in
that
code,
but
it
is
listed
in
the
main
land
use
table.
Then
we
have
a
problem
as
far
as
permitting
that
use
right.
We
can't
say
we
can
interpret
this
to
be
another
use
of
the
table
because
it
appears
in
the
other
use
table.
Then
we
have
to
say
Well.
It
must
not
be
permitted
in
the
Haywood
Road
District.
L
That
and
that's
happening
currently
with
food
trucks
in
the
Haywood
Road
district
and
a
few
other
uses.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
part
out
too.
It's
it's
confusing
and
hard
to
use,
but
it's
also
not
dangerous.
We're
not
falling
off
a
cliff,
but
it's
also
a
problem
from
administering
the
code
fairly
to
people
who
come
and
come
to
us.
So.
B
K
B
Right
now,
obviously,
we'll
get
another
chance,
but
anybody
nope,
okay,
I'll,
make
a
motion
to
continue.
This
proposed
zoning
text
amendment
to
chapter
seven
regarding
the
use
tables
to
date,
certain
June
7th
2023..
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Mitchell.
Thank
you,
Mr
Collins.
That
concludes
tonight's
meeting.
The
next
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
is
June
that
was
trick.
Question
June,
7th
2023
in
this
room
at
5,
00
PM
pre-leading,
upstairs
Fifth
Floor
conference
room
at
4.
30.
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
A
B
Second
Motion
in
a
second
all,
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
meetings
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
very
much,
foreign.