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B
All
right!
Well,
I
guess
that's
me,
welcome
everybody
to
the
september
meeting
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
I
suspect,
while
some
people
joining
us
here,
a
minute
late,
but
that's
okay,
just
a
couple
of
reminders
before
we
get
started
the
first
one
would
be
since
we
are
meeting
virtually.
B
It
is
asked
of
commission
members
to
stay
on
camera
unless
you
need
to
step
away
for
a
brief
moment,
but
because
it
is
a
public
meeting,
our
interactions
should
be
on
camera
and
to
avoid
the
use
of
the
chat
for
discussion
on
our
primary
business.
B
The
second
reminder
is:
this:
won't
help
the
people
who
are
not
here
yet
but
to
try
to
log
in
a
few
minutes
early,
if
possible,
we
need
to
have
a
quorum
before
we
can
actually
start
the
recording
and
the
meeting
officially
so
it'd
be
great
to
not
sweat
bullets
on
that
until
the
last
minute
and
finally,
we
are
meeting
virtually
for
now
and
the
meeting
is
recorded,
which
is
nice
for
the
minutes,
and
the
city
is
moving
to
what
they
call
action
minutes
where,
rather
than
typing
and
writing
down
every
thing
that
we
talk
about,
especially
when
we
meet
live
when
we
move
to
meeting
live
in
the
future,
the
room
has
audio
visual
and
recording
equipment
available.
B
So
our
minutes
will
just
be
in
the
recording
and
it'll
be
just
bulleted
out,
like
our
agenda
is
for
the
minutes,
so
just
some
updates
there.
Let
me
know
if
there's
any
questions
about
any
of
that,
but
then
we
can
get
into
introductions
so
I'll
kick
it
off.
My
name
is
amy
smith,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
B
I
guess
it
kind
of
works
good.
If
I
call
on
people
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
that
go
ahead,
patrick.
F
And
let's
see
sharon
sharon,
sumrall
urban
forestry,
commission,
trc
representative,
stephen.
B
B
Thank
you,
nancy.
A
All
right
nancy,
watford
staff
liaison
for
urban
forestry
commission.
Thank
you.
B
L
B
Right,
that's
everyone
I
show.
Did
I
miss
anyone
go
ahead
and
speak
up.
I
don't
think
we
have
anyone
just
on
the
phone.
All
right
welcome
everybody.
So
first
we'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
we
need
a
approval
of
the
previous
minutes
if
everyone's
had
a
chance
to
review
that
a
motion
in
a
second.
C
B
B
N
No,
not
really
it's
been
a
little
busy
with
storms
rolling
through
so
kind
of
pushes
us
a
little
farther
back
and
working
on
our
normal
stuff.
Are
there
any
questions
about
the
reports.
H
Mark
I
do
have
a
question
just
in
terms
of
these
kind
of
these
trees
that
fall
one
at
a
time
like
the
32
trees
that
fell
in
ida
looks
like
red
rather
is
there?
Is
there
an
accounting
kept
of
of
how
we
lose
the?
How
many
of
those
trees
we're
losing,
or
maybe,
where
we're
losing
those
trees
around
the
city?
Or
is
it
just
you
just
kind
of
deal
with
them
clean
them
up
and
move
on.
N
N
N
H
N
Yeah,
like
I
said
it,
it
didn't
focus
on
any
one
part
of
town
or
anything.
It
was
pretty
widely
distributed
pretty
equally
and
it's
mostly
root
failure
on
mature
oaks,
especially
red
oaks,
a
lot
of
root
rot,
but
also
you
know,
white,
pines
and
spruces
that
break
up.
F
Something
yeah
I
was
gonna
ask
if
it
I
assumed
it
was
root,
rot,
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
if
that
was
pretty
much,
basically
what
it
was.
But
I
you
answered
the
questions
thanks.
N
F
B
All
right
thanks
and
as
mark
noted,
he's
of
course
looking
to
hire.
So
if
anyone
knows
any
qualified
folks
for
that
position,
let
him
know
so.
Dsd
gave
us
a
report
on
the
tree
protection
ordinance
where
we're
at
so
far,
canopy
preserved
to
date
about
500
000
square
feet,
canopy
planted
about
75,
000
square
feet
and
fee
and
lou
paid
77
000
in
the
urban
resource
management
district.
B
A
I
have
some
so
patrick
before
the
meeting
asked
for
the
planted
and
preserved
how
many
projects
does
that
represent,
and
I
went
and
checked
in
at
17
projects.
So
far.
That's
not
the
including
the
the
end
there
there's
three
or
four.
B
Thank
you
all
right.
Well,
then,
we
can
move
up
on
to
old
business.
So
first
we
have
the
udl
landscaping
standards.
Revisions
that's
been
going
on
with
the
city,
so
ed
we
have
you
down.
Did
you
have
an
update
on
that.
E
Not
anything
really
exciting.
The
the
group
met
about
two
weeks
ago,
along
with
some
representatives
from
deep
root
to
talk
about
some
of
the
technical
nuances
of
silva
cell,
particularly
with
respect
to
storm
water
and
the
integration
of
stormwater.
With
with
soil
volume,
it
was
a
good
discussion.
The
group
asked
a
lot
of
good
questions
and
I
think
they
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
how
that
product
works
on
the
ground,
in
perhaps
ways
to
incentivize
its
application.
E
Where
we're
going
from
here,
I
really
can't
tell
you
we
have
a
meeting
scheduled
for
thursday
this
week,
the
dilla.
Do
you
have
anything?
I
I
can't
remember
what's
up
on
our
agenda
with
with
that
group.
M
You
know
we're
just
continuing
to,
I
think,
a
couple
things
we're
continuing
to
pick
a
pick
through
the
landscaping
section
of
the
udo,
so
anybody
who's
interested
in
that
you
know
can
have
access
to
that
file.
M
It's
it's
open
for
anybody
to
comment
on
and
we're
working
through
this
third
party
inspection
certification
process,
which
is
the
newest
thing
that
that's
going
to
require
more
more
thinking,
and
I
think
those
are
our
two
big
items
which
in
and
of
themselves,
could
could
take
up
six
months
to
a
year
if
we
really
wanted
to
sink
a
lot
of
time
into
them.
But
but
that's
what
we're
working
on.
E
B
Awesome
well,
that
is
actually
exciting
work,
even
though
it
may
not
sound
like
that.
It's
very
exciting
to
have
something
put
together
that
fast,
so
awesome.
A
E
B
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
all
right.
The
urban
forest
master
plan
dawn's
not
here,
but
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
knows,
particularly
with
greenworks,
if
they've
had
anything
new
or
any
progress
on
that
we
don't
know.
So
I
know
that
greenworks
was
working
on
some
grant
funding,
particularly
to
start
the
community
vignettes,
but
with
the
ongoing
pandemic,
that's
still
going
to
be
tough,
so
we'll
just
have
to
wait
for
updates
from
dawn
and
greenworks.
On
that
section,
any
questions
on
where
we're
at
with
that.
B
All
right,
then,
the
tree
canopy
preservation
ordinance
the
fee
and
lou
program
specifically,
so
I
had
a
meeting
with
myself,
nancy
ben
chris
and
eric
edgerton
from
the
city,
and
we
were
just
starting
to
you
know
mostly
brainstorm
thought
process
around.
What
would
a
program
or
process
look
like
for
deciding
how
to
spend
fee
and
loo
money?
We
know
the
broad
parameters
of
it
has
to
be
spent
within
the
resource
management
district
where
it
was
collected.
There's
the
three
resource
management,
districts,
urban,
suburban
and
central.
B
I
believe
the
downtown
area,
so
we
know
that
we
know
it
should
not
be
spent
for
ongoing
city
maintenance,
anything
that
would
be
in
the
regular
budget.
It
should
not
be
used
to
fund
any
positions
or
paychecks
things
like
that.
So
after
that
you
know,
then
we
had
questions
of.
Can
it
be
used,
for
you
know
an
abundance
of
different
ideas
and
I'll.
B
Let
eric
maybe
clarify,
but
one
that
came
up
was:
can
it
be
used
to
fund,
for
example,
the
urban
forest
master
plan
and
eric
I'm
going
to
sum
up
what
you
said,
but
you
may
want
to
clarify
that
basically,
the
intention
of
this
ordinance
and
the
collection
of
the
fee
in
lieu
is
to
enhance,
preserve.
You
know,
create
canopy,
so
really
anything
beyond
that.
Core
intention
is
getting
away
from
where
this
money
should
be
spent
so
eric.
I
know
if
you
want
to
fill
in
on
that.
L
That's
that's
pretty
much
correct
and
and
not
to
go
overly
technical.
It's
just
it's
constructed
with
the
idea
of
avoiding
a
legal
doctrine
known
as
exactions
we're
trying
to
make
it
make
the
fee
and
lieu
as
closely
tied
to
a
given
property,
that's
paying
for
a
fee
in
lieu
rather
than
compliance
as
possible.
L
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
see
the
hands
raised.
Give
me
just
one
second,
to
sum
up
where
we
went
with
the
rest
of
our
meeting
and
then
we'll
ask
some
questions
so
real
briefly,
then
we
went
past
that
to
say
you
know.
Well,
obviously
the
funds
could
be
used
to
buy
and
plant
trees.
You
know,
that's
pretty
basic
public
property
would
be
the
focus,
then
you
know,
can
we
use
it
to
buy
and
plant
trees
on
private
property
and
the
answer
is
sure.
So?
B
Could
the
money
be
used
to
fund
a
program,
obviously
working
with
non-profits
other
city
groups
working
with
private
citizens
to
get
trees
in
the
ground?
So
all
of
that
would
be
good.
One
of
the
last
project
based
ideas
we
talked
about
was
the
money
could
possibly
be
used
to
tie
in
and
support
capital
funds
projects.
B
We've
seen
in
this
group
several
times
where
we
see
a
project,
the
city
says
you
know,
for
example
the
downtown
haywood
streetscape
project.
You
know
the
intention
originally
was
to
use
silva
cells
and,
and
do
these
different
things
and
a
lot
of
times
those
line
items
get
cut
out
when
the
final
budget
comes
around.
B
So
that
was
the
basis
of
our
discussion
that
we
had
a
couple
weeks
ago,
but
we
can
open
it
up
for
questions
here
and
and
see
what
you
guys
think.
So
I
believe
ed
was
the
first
one
with
a
hand
up.
E
Yeah
I'd
like
to
play
devil's
advocate
with
respect
to
the
comprehensive
urban
forest
master
plan.
The
overall
intent
of
a
plan
would
be
to
enhance
urban
forest
canopy
and
the
management
of
that
canopy
citywide
and
it
would.
It
could
be
very,
very
useful
in
establishing
priorities
and
enabling
us
to
to,
through
adaptive
management,
select
the
projects
that
are
hot,
the
highest
priority
in
the
city,
to
enhance
the
canopy
and
and
help
us
make
decisions
to
to
use
the
fee
and
lube
money.
E
So
so
it
seems
like
there's
a
direct
relationship
between
using
that
money
and
developing
a
plan
to
help
guide
us
in
using
that
money.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
should
we
should,
especially
when
we're
having
a
hard
time
finding
the
resources
to
fund
a
plan.
We
desperately
need
a
plan
and
here's
an
opportunity
to
do
with
the
fee
and
lose
so
I
I
wouldn't
summarily
dismiss
that
opportunity.
B
Thank
you.
One
piece
of
that
that
comes
to
my
mind
and
I'll
get
to
sharing
patrick
in
a
sec
would
be.
B
For
example,
the
inventory
data
you
know
if
we
piece
out
bits
of
the
plan,
you
know,
maybe
we
could
get.
You
know
better
approval
or
you
know
integration
by
looking
at
pieces
of
it
by
chance.
But
you
make
a
really
good
point
so
sharon.
I
believe.
F
So
I'm
thinking
public
and
maintenance-
I
don't
know
like
street
trees
that
have
gone
past,
the
point
of
belonging
to
the
developer,
that
installed
them
and
they're
now,
city
and
they're
dying.
If
we
could
use
that
funding
to
replant
street
trees
that
have
become
a
responsibility
of
a
mark,
let's
say,
and
also
can
we
use
it
for,
like
we've
got
kudzu
and
ivy
growing
up
trees
or
to
killing
trees.
B
So
I
don't
know
if
eric
wants
to
jump
in,
but
you
actually
remind
me
of
a
big
piece
of
what
we
talked
about
in
our
last
meeting
was
also
purchasing
land.
We
can
definitely
use
the
funds
to
purchase
land
as
well
for
preservation,
planting
things
like
that.
So
eric.
If
you
want
to
address
the
projects
like
iv
and
kudzu
removal
and
things
like
that,.
L
That's
all
fine,
as
long
as
we
are
using
funds
that
were
paid
into
the
fianlu
fund
in
the
same
resource
management
district.
So
if
it's
a
downtown
street
tree
which
need
to
have
funds
in
the
downtown
or
cbd,
I
believe
it
is
resource
management
district
fund,
and
then
that
would
be
a
valid
expense.
Yes,
so
that
everything
you
listed
sharing
will
be
would
be
allowed
under
the
current
current
phrasing.
B
All
right
next
was
patrick.
Did
you
have
a
comment.
C
C
But
she
pointed
to
the
rosen
ravencroft
preserve
on
south
slope
and
that
nonprofit
group
that's
trying
to
raise
money
to
purchase
that
land
and
save
the
save
it
from
development
and
preserve
the
the
largest
attractive,
mature
trees
in
the
downtown
nashville
area.
C
And
she
asked
the
question
whether
the
fee
and
lieu
money
that's
generated
through
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance,
as
well
as
the
feel
money
generated
through
the
open
space
7-eleven
four.
Could
some
of
that
money
be
used
to
help
that
group
purchase
that
land.
L
We're
gonna
it's
a
bit
of
a
trickier
question,
so
this
will
go
back
something
I
mentioned
to
joey
smith
during
our
earlier
meeting,
but
there's
a
there's,
a
separate
legal
question
of
who's
benefiting
from
the
payment,
and
so
if
these
were
trees
that
were
threatened
by
some
natural
cause
on
city
property
or
the
city
was
purchasing
the
property
itself
to
hold
and
preserve
the
trees.
That
would
be
a
simpler
question
than
can
we
use
these
funds
to
help
a
third
party
group
purchase
that
land
and
that's
a
that's,
a
different
legal
question.
L
We
can't
we
can't
use
public
funds
for
private
benefit,
and
so,
if
this
is
going
to,
if
the
property
is
going
to
end
up
being
held
by
someone
other
than
the
city
there,
there
would
be
there'd
be
a
deeper
level
of
analysis.
We'd
have
to
go
into,
and
perhaps
that
could
be
done
with
conservation
easements,
but
the
the
wrinkle
of
having
it
be
a
third
party
is
is
something
that
we
would
have
to
think
through
that
that
makes
it
harder
to
just
say.
Yes,
we
could
definitely
do
that.
C
So
then,
somehow
the
the
city
were
to
step
up
and
to
say:
if
this
parcel
is
acquired,
we
would
take
over
ownership
of
it.
That
would
make
that
simpler
from
a
legal
standpoint.
L
Yes,
it
would,
and
just
one
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
here-
is
that
any
decision
any
ultimate
decision
on
how
these
funds
are
to
be
expended.
It
will
have
to
be
made
at
the
council
level,
and
so
I
know
that
this
body
will
likely
be
making
the
primary
recommendations
on
how
those
funds
should
be
spent.
But
just
that's
just
another
thing
to
keep
in
mind
that
if
there
are
competing
projects
or
competing
uses
for
this
money
going
forward,
that
decision
ultimately
has
to
be
made
at
the
council
level.
C
So
if
the
urban
forestry
commission
would
be
the
body
that
would
likely
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council
in
terms
of
say
in
this
example,
purchase
of
a
property
who
would
make
those
recommendations
in
terms
of
using
open
space
fee
and
new
funds.
L
L
B
H
Thank
you,
so
yeah,
three
things
really
quick
for
one
thing:
ravenscroft
city
park
sounds
like
a
great
idea
to
me
and
would
be
a
brilliant
resolution
to
a
long,
long
standing
controversy
around
that
really
unique
special
spot.
H
I
think
that
it's
useful
to
look
at
tree
canopy
protection,
amendment
fee
and
loot
funds
and
open
space
fianlu
funds
in
tandem
and
consider
how
they
can
work
together
because
of
the
you
know,
the
rational
reason
behind
the
fee
behind
the
fee
in
lieu
funds
for
tree
canopy
protection
amendment
is
obviously
the
provision
and
protection
of
trees,
so
it
makes
sense
to
spend
those
funds,
in
my
mind,
on
the
protection
and
planting
of
trees
in
as
it
as
it
relates
to
open
space
fianlu.
H
H
So
I
can
see
those
two
pots
of
money
being
used
in
those
two
different
ways
that
complement
each
other
where
you
can
buy
ravenscroft
preserve
and
then
maybe
spend
some.
You
know
through
open
space
funds
and
then
spend
some
money
from
the
tree,
canopy
being
lou
to
protect
the
trees
there
by
pulling
the
english
ivy
off
the
trees
or
what
have
you?
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
idea
that
I've
been
operating
from
as
far
as
how
these
two
things
can
fit
together.
H
H
Exists-
and
so
I
think,
that's
how
a
lot
of
those
funds
could
be
spent-
is
on
just
people
power
to
to
pull
that
stuff
up
and
keep
the
trees
from
falling
down
from
the
weight.
I've
been
watching.
Trees
fall
here
for
11
years
under
the
weight
of
english
ivy.
So
it's
a
huge
huge
issue
and
I
also
definitely
support
the
silviculture,
sell
the
silver
cells
for
street
trees
as
a
use
of
those
funds.
H
So,
lastly,
I
think
well,
it's
just
fantastic
news
that
the
city
attorney's
office
has
determined
that
the
resource
management
district
in
which
the
fee
and
lieu
funds
were
generated
is
the
appropriate
geographic
scope
of
where
those
fianlu
funds
could
be
spent,
and
I
think
that's
just
really
really
helpful
and
encouraging
that
that
conclusion
was
reached
by
the
cia
attorney's
office
in
the
tree.
H
Canopy
protection
amendment
fianlu
conversation,
because
in
the
open
space
fee
in
lieu
conversation,
it's
been
a
much
more
restrictive
prescription,
that's
been
articulated,
it's
sort
of
almost
just
like
they
have
to
be
spent
on
site
or
directly
adjacent
to
the
particular
parcel
where
the
funds
were
generated.
So
so
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
put
that
controversy
to
rest
now
that
the
city
attorney's
office
has
determined
that
the
resource
management
district
is
the
appropriate
area
where
those
fees
could
be
spent.
H
And
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
just
go
ahead
and
transfer
that
that
legal
analysis
to
the
to
the
open
space
fee
and
lieu
conversation,
because
I
think
that's
a
very
appropriate,
flexible
prescription
that
we
can
work
with
and
generate
open
space
and
tree
canopy
and
protect
tree
canopy
within
an
appropriate
geographic
area.
B
Thanks
aaron,
so
cecil
joined
us.
Thank
you.
Go
ahead,
cecil
we're
just
right
now
talking
about
the
fee
and
lou
program,.
O
Yeah,
I
know
I
I've
been
watching
the
entire
meeting.
I
didn't
get
an
invitation,
so
I
logged
in
via
the
city
website,
so
I've
been
I've
been
present,
but
I
didn't
I
did
not
get
an
invitation
to
log
to
to
sign
into
the
meeting,
which
is
why
I
haven't
showed
up
here.
What
I
wanted
to
say
is
I
at
the
at
our
finance
meeting
earlier
today.
O
I
was
really
disappointed
to
learn
that
neither
ben
nor
chris
could
identify
who's
in
charge
of
the
fee
and
lou.
How
big
the
fee
and
lieu
money
pot
is
what
what
procedures
we
might
need
to
go
through
to
access
that
money.
Even
there.
There
was
the
question
where
I
think
ben
raised
it
that
there
may
not
be
documentation
about
where
each
amount
of
money
came
from,
and
so
how
do
you
then
identify
where
it's
supposed
to
be
spent.
B
Because
we've
been
keeping
tabs
much
closer
on
the
tree,
canopy
and
loo.
O
Okay,
good
and-
and
one
of
the
things
I
raised
is
okay,
so
the
rule
says
it
has
to
be
in
in
the
area
in
the
reasonable
area
or
the.
I
don't
remember.
The
exact
language
but
downtown
is
in
the
realm
of
every
element,
the
downtown,
the
urban,
the
suburban
I
mean,
I
think
a
good
argument
can
be
made
that
anything
we
do
downtown
benefits
everyone
in
the
city,
and
I
I'm
really
curious
about
the
legality
of
where
that
money
needs
to
be
spent.
O
K
I
K
Madam
chair,
hey,
it's
been
just
real
quickly
and
that's
the
open
space
fee
and
lose
so
there's
a
revenue
account
that
has
about
227
thousand
dollars
in
it.
That
was
collected,
I
believe,
since
2011.,
and
we
would
chris
and
I
and
videla
you
may
know
this,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
go
back
and
basically
just
make
sure
we
and
I
think
we
can
but
account
for
like
what
development
those
fees
came
from.
K
So
we
then
can
apply
the
the
tests
that
eric's
going
to
ask
us
to
apply,
which
is
you
know,
we're
using
those
fees
in
reasonable
proximity
proximity
to
where
they
were
collected.
So
that's
just
the
thing
where
we've
got
to
go
back
and
just
I
guess
account
for
that
open
space
fee
in
lieu
of
and
just
make
sure
we've
got
our.
You
know
all
that,
like
organized.
I
Thank
you
ben
this
is
kim
and
what
I
was
going
to
suggest
is
related.
So
in
the
last
meeting
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
there
was
a
question
about
the
fees.
How
much
has
been
collected
around
the
process?
I
did
forward
those
questions
to
staff
that
presented
a
response
from
ben.
This
was
on
august
4th,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure,
since
I
didn't
see
attachments
to
this
agenda,
that
those
answers
were
submitted
to
the
full
commission.
B
Well,
we
have
that
here
in
in
this
agenda,
with
the
amount
and
a
fee
and
land
so.
B
All
right,
thanks
kim
patrick.
C
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
take
parents
comments,
a
step
farther
and
ask
eric.
C
Obviously,
when
we
put
together
the
tree,
canopy
preservation
ordinance
and
we
worked
on
the
fee
and
lou
language,
and
we
arrived
at
as
parent
pointed
out.
The
fact
that
the
fee
and
lieu
monies
collected
under
this
ordinance
could
be
used
anywhere
within
the
same
overlay
district.
C
C
By
which
to
look
at
locations
for
either
planting
trees,
purchase
land,
etc
under
the
open
space,
it
is
far
more
restrictive,
and
I
guess
my
specific
question
to
you
eric
is:
does
a
fee
in
lieu
language
need
to
have
some
kind
of
resource
overlay
districts
in
it
that
do
to
allow
for
that
more
expansive
use
of
the
funds,
or
can
the
language
in
the
fee
in
lieu
for
the
new
language?
C
L
So
to
the
to
the
first
question
of
whether
there
has
to
be
resource
management
overlay
districts,
no,
that's
a
that's
a
unique
wrinkle
based
on
the
language
used
in
the
local
act.
That
gives
us
the
authority
to
regulate
trees
on
private
property
under
some
instances,
and
so
those
resource
management
overlay
districts
needed
to
be
created
in
order
to
utilize
that
power.
And
so
since
we
were
in
in
the
process
of
developing
an
ordinance
that
is
contingent
upon
those
resource
management
overlay
districts
being
created,
there
was
a
natural
flow
of
well.
L
How
can
we
keep
the
funds
linked
to
the
properties
that
they
came
from,
and
that
was
the
the
obvious
logical
conclusion.
So
that's
that's
why
that
that
nexus
is,
is
an
easy
one
to
draw,
and
so
for
things
like
open
space.
Looking
at
the
ordinance,
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
lot
of
restrictive
language.
L
However,
that
would
then
mean
that
it
would
default
to
the
case
law
on
exactions,
which
ben
was
alluding
to
which
is
relatively
restrictive
in
terms
of
how
far
away
you
could
get
from
using
funds
paid
for
by
a
certain
property,
on
other
components
that
you
want
to
see
used
on
in
the
city
and
so
in
a
way,
the
lack
of
guidance
in
the
open
space
ordinance
makes
it
a
bit
more
difficult
to
say
with
any
certainty
of
yes,
we
could
use
it
for
x,
y
and
z
purpose,
but
unfortunately
we
we
drafted
the
tree
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
in
a
way
to
avoid
that.
L
So
at
least
that
isn't
an
open
question
with
respect
to
the
tree.
Canopy
family.
C
F
L
Yeah
well,
it's
it
could
be
that
that
sort
of
amendment
would
need
to
take
that
legal
doctrine
into
account.
But
it
is
a
udl
amendment,
which
means
that
we
need
to
go
before
planning
and
zoning
before
reaching
city
council,
but
certainly
an
amendment
that
that
we
have
the
power
to
to
take
on
and
start
looking
at
how
it
needs
to
be
amended.
F
So
then,
let
me
ask
you
this:
is
there
a
way
to
make
what
we're
doing
in
719
with
the
resource
management
districts
and
just
pull
it
over
to
open
space?
I
mean,
does
that
seem
doable
to
you
and
your
legal
brain.
L
We
need
we
need
to
look
at
that,
a
bit
more,
haven't
researched
that
specific
question
yet,
and
so
I
need
to
know
what
type
of
statutory
authority
there
is
in
place
with
respect
to
open
space
fees
and
move
first,
and
I-
and
I
know
that
that
has
been
modified
recently
with
the
the
passing
of
160d.
L
D
H
And
so
yeah,
if,
if
you
could
or
someone
in
the
city
attorney's
office,
would
be
willing
to
propose
some
language
that
we
could
add
to
the
open
space
amendment
so
that
it
could
be,
the
fees
could
be
spent
in
as
flexible
a
manner
as
your
as
you've
described
for
the
tree
canopy
amendment.
H
We
should
just
go
ahead
and
get
that
in
there
now
it's
going
to
have
to
go
before
planning
and
zoning
either
way
so
yeah.
Why
don't
we
hop
on
that
moving
train
and
just
make
it
happen?.
L
H
Yeah,
it's
the
open
space
task
force.
So
vidilla
is
the
facilitator
of
that
process,
and
I
know
he's
been
in
touch
with
your
office
quite
a
bit
about
this,
because
we've
discussed
it
a
good
bit
on
the
task
force.
So
if
I,
if
you're
available
and
and
you're
willing
to
work
with
by
diller
myself
or
both
just
to
get
some
draft
language,
that
seems
like
it
would
work
to
you.
I
would
really
appreciate
that,
and
I
think
now,
as.
B
H
B
I
think
that
would
be
sorry.
I
just
want
a
very
natural
way
to
work
that
into
the
work
that
the
open
space
group
is
already
doing
right
now
and
try
to
make
that
practical
in
its
use,
because
they're
going
to
continue
to
collect
fees.
So
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
process,
and
you
know
plan
in
place
for
that.
B
Go
ahead.
Ed.
E
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say:
we
should
pass
this
discussion
to
the
open
space
task
force.
They
they
just
had
a
similar
conversation,
and
it
really
is
an
open
space
task
force
issue
at
this
point
and.
D
E
M
Well,
our
next
meeting
is
tomorrow,
so
we
can,
we
can
talk
about
it.
I'm
not
sure
how
how
much
we'll
have
resolved
on
the
legal
side,
but
you
know
if
eric's
free,
maybe
he
can
chime
in.
I
know
janice
has
been
involved
so
well.
E
B
All
right
perfect,
so
as
far
as
the
open
space
side
of
it
we'll
leave
that
to
the
open
space
task
force.
However,
I
do
think
that
the
point
of
these
funds
potentially
being
able
to
benefit
each
other
is
a
really
good
point,
because
it
would
just
make
it
more
powerful.
However,
we
decide
to
spend
these
if
there's
no
other
specific
things
right
now.
B
B
As
much
of
the
city
as
possible
to
specific
targeted
goals
and
needs-
and
that's
where
I
do
think
that
the
urban
forest
master
plan
would
help
with
that
process
as
well,
so
we'll
keep
talking
about
it
with
the
city.
The
folks
that
I
met
with
before
so
they're
going
to
work
on
getting
the
whatever
data
is
available.
B
As
far
as
the
gis
overlays,
as
that
will
be
a
very
good
tool
to
focus
in
on
where
projects
could
take
place,
and
the
last
thing
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
whatever
planning
we
do
is
that
it
is
flexible,
meaning
that
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
leave
a
certain
amount
of
money
in
the
pool
so
that
when
projects
come
up,
you
know
you
have
something
to
work
with,
or
a
piece
of
land
comes
up
available.
You
have
something
to
perhaps
go
in
and
buy
it
with.
B
So
just
some
things
to
keep
in
mind
at
this
point
that
we're
not
going
to
be.
You
know,
write
and
check
so
to
speak
tomorrow
on
this
process.
So
any
other
comments,
suggestions
and
if
anybody
wants
to
work
with
me
on
this,
currently
I'm
sort
of
the
taking
this
on
with
the
city
but
feel
free
to
be
in
touch.
If
you
have
more
ideas
and
input
on
that
process,
all
right
awesome,
so
we're
moving
on
to
working
group
updates.
E
Yeah,
I
was
let
me
look
at
my
own
notes,
yeah
a
lot
of
the
discussion
with
and
I'm
going
to
ask
vadilla
to
help
with
this
fill
in
the
blanks.
But
a
lot
of
the
discussion
was
focused
on
the
river
arts
district,
open
space
and
imposing
an
impervious
maximum
with
grandfathering,
existing
projects
that
might
exceed
that
maximum,
and
then
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
around
fee
and
lou
which
which
we
also
just
had
here.
So
really
not
that
much
to
add.
E
We
also
had
a
discussion
something
to
do
with
reducing
parcel
size
requirements
for
storm
water
to
a
fifth
acre,
but
providing
alternatives
to
smaller
parcel
owners.
I
didn't
follow
that
discussion
very
well,
so
vidyla.
Maybe
you
can
fill
in
the
blanks
on
that
one.
M
M
Yeah,
well,
I
guess
big
picture.
The
open
space
task
force
has
unresolved
some
issues
with
the
the
river
arts
district
and
and
to
what
extent
we're
going
to
apply
some
open
space
requirements
or
how
we're
going
to
adjust
the
existing
zoning
to
account
for
for
open
space.
M
We
have
this
fee
and
lou
question
to
resolve.
We.
We
now
know
that
there's
about
two
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
in
mind
in
the
coffers
in
the
city
that
we've
that
we've
gathered
since
2011
and
it's
mostly
in
south
asheville
in
about
five
different
projects.
M
M
What
are
we
going
to
buy
a
bench
or
something
like
it's?
It's?
It
doesn't
really
make
sense.
So
we
have
to
work
through
that
a
little
bit
and
we're
considering
maybe
adding
a
little
bit
more
stormwater
requirement
in
the
open
space
language.
In
reducing
it
from
one
acre
to
potentially
a
half
acre
and
and
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that,
rather
than
going
into
too
much
detail.
M
I
think
we
are
on
the
council's
agenda
for
november.
Maybe
it's
it's
coming.
I
B
As
far
as
the
urban
forestry
commission
we're
still
on
the
record
as
opposing
the
open
space
amendment
as
it
was
written
previously
so
before
that
time
that
it
goes
to
council
we'll
want
to
take
up
that
issue
one
more
time
and
just
make
sure
that
we
still
or
don't
have
that
opinion.
If
we
want
to
change
that,
so
any
other
discussion
on
open
space
right
now
go
ahead.
Parents.
H
I
just
just
to
clarify
you.
You
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
ed,
but
where
the
fee
in
lieu
discussion
was
left
off
at
the
task
force
meeting.
What
was
sort
of
a
summary
of
where
you
landed
on
that.
E
There
wasn't
any
clarity
as
vadilla
suggested,
and
I
I
think
the
way
we
left
it
was
that
the
staff
was
going
to
consult
with
city
attorney
and
they
were
going
to
look
at
other
examples
of
how
open
space
fianlu
is
dispensed.
Specifically.
I
think
geo
mentioned
working
with
looking
at
what
the
city
of
durham
has
been
doing,
but
but
it's
it's
not.
There
hasn't
been
any
any
resolution.
It's
still
left
wide
open.
H
Okay,
thanks
and
and
the
status
of
the
river
arts
discussion
is
just
similar
ongoing
is
that
you
didn't
reach
any
conclusions.
I.
E
I
think
we
were
closer
closer
to
closure
on
that
one
and
vadilla
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
that
we
had
decided
on
imposing
an
impervious
minimum
with
that's
what.
M
We
talked
about
that's
right,
yeah.
We
talked
about
that.
I'm
not
sure
you
know
we'll
have
to
get
into
it
tomorrow
in
the
details.
E
But
that's
kind
of
where
we
left
it
that
we're
close
to
doing
that,
but
grandfathering
existing
projects,
but
but
still
keeping
them
and
not
to
exceed
whatever
their
amount
was
to
sort
of
encourage
the
transformation
of
impervious
surfaces
towards
more.
E
C
D
B
Okay,
welcome
don.
We
were
talking
about
whether
fianlu
funds
could
be
spent,
for
example,
on
the
ravenscroft
reserve
initiative.
The
bottom
line
is
that
it
would
be
more
out
of
scope
for
the
city
to
help
a
third
party
to
purchase
land,
for
example,
than
if
the
city
itself
were
the
buyer
and
owner,
and
you
know
potentially
using
a
conservation
easement.
So
there
might
be
ways
around
that,
but
sorry
eric
to
sum
up,
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
but
that
was
the
basic
idea
you
get
farther
away.
If
there's
a
third
party
involved.
D
D
B
Okay,
thank
you,
but
we
have
much
more
discussion,
obviously
on
all
of
the
family
process
which
brings
us
to
unless
there's
nothing
else,
anything
on
open
space,
we'll
get
an
update
on
that
next
time.
The
policy
working
group.
So
I
don't
know
if
eddie
want
to
take
that.
Where
are
you
all
at.
E
Yeah
we
haven't
done
much
with
chapter
20,
since
the
last
time
we
met
an
email
was
sent
this
morning
to
staff
to
see
if
we
can
set
up
the
meetings
to
review
our
recommended
changes
in
chapter
20.,
so
that
ball
is
in
staff's
hand
as
of
today
and
we'll
hopefully
meet
within
the
next
month
and
be
able
to
show
some
progress
on
that.
E
With
respect
to
my
research
on
programs
that
give
trees
special
protected
status
throughout
the
state,
I
haven't
done
too
much
more
on
that
I've
had
a
really
busy
month,
so
it's
been
kind
of
hard
to
juggle
cats,
but
but
I'll
get
back
to
work
on
the
this
month.
E
I
think
I'll
have
more
time
to
work
on
that
and
what's
the
last
thing
on
that
list,
standards
and
specs
manual,
the
group
continues
to
do
their
work
and
we
don't
really
have
anything
new
to
report
since
the
last
time,
except
that
we
had
a
meeting
and-
and
we
had
folks
from
silva
cell,
you
know
sort
of
educate
the
group
on
that
product.
So
patrick.
C
Yeah,
just
to
add
a
little
more
specifics
to
what
ed
said
on
chapter
20,
we
did
send
an
email
inviting.
C
Ben
woody
chris
collins,
greg
schuller
mark
foster
and
eric
edgerton
to
join
with
us
to
go
over
our
initial
draft
language
for
chapter
20.
C
and
we'll
hopefully
do
that
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
then
we'll
see
where
we
are
and
where
we
have
to.
B
Go
right
great,
I
know
that
it
keeps
coming
up
in
the
public
sector
the
issue
of
protecting
trees,
specifically
on
private
land.
I
know
eddie
said
you're
doing
more
research,
which
is
perfect.
I
don't
feel
you
like.
You
need
to
do
all
that
research
by
yourself.
B
If
you
need
help-
or
you
know
talk
it
through-
let
us
know,
but
just
for
the
sake
of
anyone
listening
in
it
is
definitely
still
on
our
radar
to
work
through
that
process
and
see
what
sort
of
protections
might
be
available
for
trees
on
private
land
go
ahead.
Sharon.
F
Patrick,
I
have
a
question
because
I
haven't
looked
at
it
in
a
while.
Are
you
still
incorporating
chapter
7
with
chapter
20.
C
No,
we
haven't.
We
haven't
done
that,
yet
that
will
be
one
of
the
questions
that
we'll
raise
with
staff
when
we
meet,
and
particularly
with,
I
assume,
with
eric
in
terms
of
the
legality
of
that
and
depending
on
what
the
answer
is,
then
we
can
pursue
that
path.
F
Yeah,
I
know
I'm
just
I
mean
as
a
discussion
in
the
beginning.
We
had.
I
understand
why,
because
other
cities
do
it,
I
just
see
the
constraint
on
our
city
doing
it,
and
but
I'm
not
a
legal
person
on
this.
So
I
don't
know
how
one
would
integrate
into
the
other
and
that's
where
people
with
much
more
information
on
how
it
would
work
would
have
the
information.
B
Well,
I
think
our
goal
as
a
group
is
to
suggest
everything
we
want.
You
know
make
our
wish
list
be
known.
Whatever
revisions,
we
think
are
necessary
and
important
put
them
out
there
and
then
get
the
feedback
back
of
what
you
know
where
it'll
land.
F
So,
oh
yeah,
I
totally
agree
I
mean
it
looks
like
it
works
great
with
other
cities.
It's
just.
We
seem
to
have
it
all
divided
up
which,
even
with
the
specifications
design
manual
everything's
all
crammed
together,
which
makes
so
much
more
sense
as
a
as
a
a
lay
person
and
as
a
developer,
to
have
everything
all
referenced
in
one
place
as
opposed
to
how
it
is
now.
F
E
Our
our
recommended
revision
to
chapter
20
certainly
reinforces
some
of
the
requirements
in
chapter
seven,
so
particularly
with
respect
to
enforcement.
So
I
I
think
that
there
is
a
strong
relationship
between
the
two.
B
All
right
well,
thank
you,
so
that
was
policy
all
right.
Thank
you
for
the
working
group
work
on
that
next
is
the
trc
working
group,
which
is
sharon
and
myself,
so
I've
been
attending
several
trc
meetings
just
to
listen
in
in
the
background
and
sharon
does
an
amazing
job
looking
out
for
the
trees
in
the
landscape
plans
we'll
get
into
it
more
later.
There's
not
a
super
big
update
right
now,
but
I
am
just
personally
shocked
that
you
know
we
have
this
one
volunteer
doing
this
job
on
this
committee.
B
When
you
know
everyone
else
on
the
committee
is
basically
city
staff,
you
know
doing
their
usual
job,
so
thank
you
sharon
for
volunteering
for
such
an
important
piece.
For
now
she
said:
she's
gonna
keep
going
with
it.
She
wants
to
be
our
watchdog,
which
is
amazing.
Thank
you
so
much,
but
I
do
think
that
that
has
to
be
something
that
resides
with
the
city
at
some
point
in
the
future,
so
hopefully
with
an
urban
forester
and
if
not
we'll
have
to
look
at
what
the
other
options
are.
F
You
know
staff
has
been
invaluable,
as
I've
said
previously.
They
have
asked
answered
my
questions
ad
nauseam
and
a
lot
of
times.
I
can
just
pull
off
of
what
they've
already
got
down
on
the
staff
report
and
I
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel,
but
it's
important.
I
think
right
now
that
we
have
a
representative
from
urban
forestry
commission
responding
to
this
so
and
thanks
to
nancy,
for
all
our
help.
B
Awesome,
thank
you
so
we'll
keep
looking
at
it,
but
for
now
it's
just
the
amount
of
work,
but
thank
you
sharon.
So
much
all
right.
The
budget
request
working
group
so
patrick,
do
you
have
an
update
there.
C
C
Just
hired
a
new
intern
and
she's
graciously
allow
given
us
that
intern
to
do
some
research
to
take,
compare
or
link
an
urban
force
master
plan
with
other
comprehensive
plans
in
the
city,
which
will
be
very
important
to
demonstrate
to
city
council
members,
as
well
as
to
the
city
manager,
that
what
we
have
in
mind
and
the
importance
of
an
urban
forest
master
plan
is
it
it
comes
hand
in
glove
with
other
priorities
in
the
city's
various
comprehensive
master
plans.
C
C
Cecil
is
going
to
talk
with
at
least
one
or
more
city
council
members
to
get
them
on
board,
with
supporting
the
funding
for
an
urban
forester,
an
urban
forest
master
plan
and
the
city
and
dsd
ben
and
chris
are
going
to
talk
with
their
budget
liaison
person
to
get
a
good
feeling
for
we
hope
for
how
this
budget
cycle
is
going
to
go,
which
will
be
very
important
for
us
in
terms
of
focusing
both
messaging
and
tactics
and
because
things
are
going
to
start
speeding
up.
C
It
looks
like
we're
going
to
be
meeting
probably
weekly
starting
next
week.
Next
next
monday,.
B
Excellent,
I
know
I
know
kim
said
this
before,
but
and
I'm
sure
you
all
are
working
on
it,
but
anytime
we
can
you
know,
and
if
you
don't
have
the
list
of
city
council
priorities,
it's
easy
to
find
online.
I
can
get
it
to
you
as
well,
but
anywhere
we
can
draw
an
exact
straight
line
of
how
trees
will
address
those
city
council
priorities
and
back
that
up
with
data,
as
the
data
is
out
there.
If
we
can
just
be
like
well,
you
want,
to
you
know,
help
crime
and
safety
trees.
B
Do
this
and
provide
x
amount.
You
know
if
we
want
to
help
with
equity,
equity
and
diversity.
Here's
how
trees
do
that
climate
resilience.
You
know
all
of
that.
So
I
think
if
we
can
draw
those
straight
lines
just
really
directly
to
the
council
priorities,
we
can
make
our
strongest
case
go
ahead,
kim.
I
Thank
you
so
much
so
specifically,
the
council
goals
that
came
out
of
the
most
recent
retreat
were
reparations,
reimagining
public
safety,
coveted
relief
funds
with
a
focus
on
equitable
recovery
and
our
compensation
study.
But,
additionally,
I
would
suggest
making
those
connections
with
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan,
which
so
many
of
you
already
know
and
have
been
on
the
weeds
on.
They
include
a
livable
built
environment,
resilient
economy,
harmony
with
the
natural
environment,
healthy
community,
interwoven,
equity
and
responsible
regionalism.
B
Perfect-
and
you
know,
obviously
I
see
how
trees
impact
all
of
those
very
very
tightly,
so
thanks
kim
go
ahead.
Cecil
I
think,
was
next.
O
Yeah
I've
mentioned
in
our
meetings
around
the
finances
reading
through
the
comprehensive
plan.
Most
of
the
photographs
in
the
comprehensive
plan
include
trees.
O
Most
of
the
goals
in
the
comprehensive
plan
include
the
environment
and
it
seems
to
me
in
the
same
way
that
a
canopy
study
looks
at
what
the
overall
tree
canopy
covers.
Our
idea
of
of
a
master
plan
and
an
urban
forester
is
kind
of
a
canopy
idea
that
ties
together
the
entire
comprehensive
plan
in
a
way
that
other
departments
in
the
city
do
not.
B
I
completely
agree.
The
one
thing
you
may
want
to
look
into
as
well
is
the
office
of
sustainability,
which
does
exist,
and
I
know
some
city
council
members
might
point
to
that
group
as
doing
this
work.
But
we
need
to
be
clear
on
how
they're
different
so
the
office
of
sustainability
is
really
focused
on
energy,
solid
waste,
those
kind
of
issues
which
are
important,
but
we
need
to
make
it
clear
where
the
gap
is
in
tree.
Canopy.
G
B
Yeah,
that's
perfect.
We
need
to
make
sure
we
keep
that
relationship
strong.
I
had
another
thought
it'll
come
to
me.
What
else
do
you
guys
have
on?
But
oh
I
remember,
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
will
do
this,
but
a
list
of
city,
council
and
other
key
players-
email
phone
numbers
to
get
out
to
everybody.
C
That'll
be
in
the
comprehensive
city
council,
engagement
and
communication
plan,
perfect.
I
This
is
the
most
recent
update
I
have
is
from
the
council
arpa
work
session.
That
happened
last
week
that
we
are
anticipating
a
report
or
an
update
from
the
city's
climate
justice
initiative
as
well.
So
a
reminder
to
keep
an
eye
out
for
that.
The
city
has
been
doing
engagement
efforts,
but
we
are
anticipating
the
next
step
being
a
report
of
some
kind.
B
B
All
right,
any
other
conversation.
Thank
you
for
the
working
group
sounds
like
you're
just
on
point
with
all
of
this.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
meeting
weekly
is
a
lot
so
go
for
it,
but
if
you
need
any
help
or
someone
you
know
needs
a
you
know.
A
sub
at
some
point
be
in
touch
all
right.
B
F
Hey
one,
I'm
sorry
about
your
hit
and
run
and
your
neighborhood,
I'm
really.
That
was
really
bad
for
anybody
doesn't
read
my
end
of
neighborhood,
but
can
I
talk
about
409
first?
So,
what's
what's
happened?
Is
I've
got
contacted
by
the
neighbors,
because
424,
sunset
and
409
sunset
are
close
together?
They've
got
some
of
the
same
attenuating
problems
that
they're
on
the
steepest
steep
slope,
which
is
b
and
they've
had
a
lot
of
tree.
F
Removal
for
new
homes
coming
up
409
did
a
landscape
plan
and
a
design
plan,
as
they
should
for
steep
slope
b,
and
someone
sent
me
an
email
saying
that
they've
over
removed
too
many
trees
from
what
the
plan
shows.
So
I
went
up
there
and
there
was
a
plan
on
site
that
they
have
in
the
box,
which
was
good.
F
I
didn't
want
the
property,
I
just
looked
at
it
and
it
looks
like
that
they
have
removed
more
trees
that
are
weren't
slated
for
the
plan,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
tell,
because
so
many
trees
are
being
removed,
they're
doing
a
driveway,
they're
doing
a
house,
it's
on
a
very
steep
percent.
I
think
it's
35
percent.
So
ricky
went
out
to
take
a
look
at
it,
but
I
noticed
on
the
plans
that
there
was
no
levels
of
disturbance
where
they
could
go
between
and
ricky.
Had
them.
F
Add
that
to
the
plan
and
ricky
contacted,
I
don't
know
the
contractor
and
they
said
that
they
had
hired
a
person
to
go
out
and
count
the
trees
and
tag
the
ones
that
were
going
to
be
removed,
and
I
don't
know
whether
that
has
been
verified
or
not.
But
I
do
want
to
say
that
if
they
have
removed
trees
over
and
above
beyond,
what
is
on
the
plan
then
ricky.
F
My
my
response
to
that
would
be
that
they
would
just
have
to
rip
replace
trees,
jamaica
for
the
ones
that
they
remove,
whether
it's
inadvertently
advertently,
it's
just
a
matter
of
adding
more
to
what
they
have
removed.
Above
what
the
plan
states
is
that
correct.
J
Yeah,
it's
sort
of
a
parallel
to
the
424
issue.
We've
been
dealing
with
ongoing.
They
would
also
be
cited
with
a
nose,
a
violation
and
probably
we
would
be
directing
them
to
approach
the
urban
forestry
commission
for
an
alternative.
You
know
plan
on
that.
I
would
not
obviously
encourage
them
to
go
to
a
variance.
I
cannot
applying
for
a
very
dissuading,
obviously
based
on
they
had
a
little
bit
larger
area
to
grade,
because
it's
a
larger
parcel
but
there's
also
not
a
mitigating.
J
Like
you
know,
landslide,
like
on
the
precipitate
424,
but
like
sharon
did
mention,
I
did
go
out
there.
There
was
still
a
lot
of
logs
that
were
down,
saw
fairly
large
logs
and
I
honestly
didn't
want
to
really
go
walk
up
a
slope
with
logs
that
are
laying
every
different
way
and
something
may
start
rolling
down
a
hill
while
I'm
out
there
by
myself
and
be
crushed
or
trapped
or
anything.
J
So
I
did
talk
to
one
of
the
neighbors
that
had
reached
out
to
sharon
and
told
him
to
be
in
contact
with
me,
and
we
would
make
another
site
visit
when
we
get
a
little
bit
more
earth
moving
I'll,
say,
I'm
glad
the
earth
moving
had
not
occurred
prior
to
ida
coming
through.
I
was
relieved
there
with
the
potential
rainfall
that
that
had
not
ground
had
not
been
broken,
and
so
I
did
talk
to
the
general
contractor.
J
They
did
say
that
they
had
hired
high
country
surveyors
to
flag
the
trees,
and
I
did
talk
to
sharon
and
the
neighbor
and
said
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
that
maybe
there's
a
couple
trees
that
may
have
been
removed.
J
F
And
that
brings
me
to
a
question
for
nancy,
which
I
don't
know
if
the
ufc
has
any
say
on
this,
with
the
amount
of
trees
that
they've
felt
and
laid
on
the
ground
and
being
so
steep
they're,
going
to
disturb
a
huge
amount
of
that
soil
dragging
if
they
don't
cut
everything
up
in
bite-sized
pieces
to
get
off
that
hillside
they're
going
to
do
a
huge
amount
of
sloughing
off
of
soil,
dragging
those
huge
logs
off
of
there,
and
I
sent
an
email
saying
that
I
would
recommend
soap
fencing
to
go
on
when
they're
dragging
where
they
I'm
assuming
they're
gonna,
have
an
opening
where
they're
gonna
drag
these
logs
down
in
one
area.
F
They're,
probably
gonna
have
to
grade
it
to
get
those
logs
so
that
they
don't
fall
down
onto
sunset,
drive
and
kill
the
people
down
below
them,
with
just
the
virtue
of
how
heavy
they
are,
but
the
fact
of
their
having
to
go
up
there
with
some
kind
of
equipment
that
they're
gonna
need
to
hold
that
soil
back
somehow
with,
especially
with
ida
coming
through
and
any
other
storms
we
come
through.
I
anticipate
a
soil,
sluggage
and
dumping
down
on
sunset.
J
Yeah
I
I
I
did
tell
the
contractor.
I
was
appreciative
that
they
had
not
already
broke
ground
prior
to
the
storm.
I
said.
Thank
you
for
not
doing
that,
and
you
know
I've
still
got
his
email.
I
can
reach
out
to
him
sharon
and
suggest
that
before
they
move
any
logs,
I
I
think
the
driveway
is
when
you're
facing
the
lot.
Uphill
is
to
the
right.
Yes,
they're
kind
of
following
the
contour
down
right.
I
I'm
making
assumptions
they're
going
to
go
in
and
out
that
way.
J
Clearly,
when
I
was
out
there
and
we'll
need
to
make,
a
note
too,
is
that
they
had
a
large
equipment
dropped
off
and
about
one
foot
of
the
paved
road
was
really
cracked
off
like
it
really
just
damaged
the
road
it
like
broke
completely
brought
broke,
a
sliver
off
that
was
about
20
30
feet
long
and
a
foot
wide
that
was
broken
off.
J
So
we'll
need
to
make
a
note
on
that.
As
far
as
inspections,
when
we
start
doing
some
gradient
inspections,
but
I
can
reach
back
out
to
him
with
an
email
on
that.
F
F
F
There
was
a
lot
of
trees
that
we
recommended
they
planted
too
close
to
the
road
in
the
front
that
we
asked
them
to
move
because
eventually
they're
going
to
block
that
road
and
become
a
hazard
for
people
driving
or
trucks
or
anything
they
just
didn't
plant.
These
large
evergreens
enough,
far
back
from
the
front
frontage
of
the
road
to
create
problems
in
the
future
granted
they'll-
be,
I
don't
know,
let's
say,
10
years
problem,
but
there's
still
going
to
be
a
problem.
F
F
But
I
don't
know
I
do
know
that
ricky
said
that
he
issued
notice
of
violation
and
that
that
is,
I
got
on
excela
to
look
for
it
did
not
see
it,
so
I'm
assuming
it
just
hasn't
been
entered
into
the
system,
yet
that
there
is
some
kind
of
maybe
you've
heard
some
more
on
this
prior
to
me.
Having
and
I
talk
to
you
and
I
talking
ricky
via
email
regarding
the
the
plan.
J
Yeah,
I
I
sent
the
citations
to
them
by
email,
because
we
have
that's
one
of
the
160d
changes
confirmed
with
eric.
Since
we
know
we
have
an
active
email
address
and
they
did
respond
so
we're
we're
at
least
15
days
into
the
citation.
So
we're
we've
got
at
least
a
fifteen
hundred
dollar
accrual
and
ask
me
and
nancy
talk
briefly
and
eric
here
here
you
go.
J
J
They
seemed
not
very
pleased
with
the
citation,
but
again
they
they
can
come.
Like
you
said
sharon
they
can
come
to
the
the
commission
with
a
proposed
landscape
plan.
I
think
what
we
had
tried
to
do
was
an
effort
to
avoid
a
plan
that
was
maybe
not
suitable
for
the
elevation,
the
the
aspect
of
the
slope,
the
soil
types.
That's
why
you
and
ed
volunteered
to
go
out
there
to
try
to
avoid
this
washing
machine
cycle
of
meeting
and
then
continuing
and
meeting
and
continuing
like
we
had
on
that.
J
One
large
removal
case
thought
it
more
prudent
that
way
and
y'all
graciously
went
and
done
all
that
legwork
up
front,
and
so
now
that
I'll
say
that
we've
left
that
for
them
to
decide
with,
and
so
obviously
they
could
come
with
an
alternative
compliance
plan
that
may
not
meet
the
standards
of
this
commission
and
we'll
be
back
into
the
washing
machine
a
little
bit.
F
F
I
saw
the
city
put
a
berm
up
on
that
road,
just
to
move
the
water
further
down,
but
I
personally
believe
it's
from
the
equipment
that
they
had
on
that
site
that
created
that
clearing
for
a
lack
of
a
better
word
that
caused
it
to
wash
off,
and
I
don't
know
whether
we've
got
any
kind
of
I
do
believe
it's
from
the
equipment
they
had
in
the
construction
that
they
did
on
that.
F
And
that's
just
my
comment.
That's
up
to
the
city
and
you
guys,
because
I
believe
it
is
off
of
their
property
and
also
did
you
have
a
chance
to
go
up
and
take
a
look
at
the
area
that
ed
and
I
recommended
that
on
that
shelf-
that
that
used
to
be
the
old
logging
road,
where
we
recommended
that
they
put
more
rock
in
there
to
slow
the
water
down.
That's
coming
from
the
sunset
and
washing
down,
but
that
from
the
original
reparations
there
was
some
underground
work
done.
J
I
didn't
actually
walk
onto
their
property
because
they
weren't
about
it.
Wasn't
anybody
present,
but
I
I
did
observe
from
uphill
and
downhill,
and
it
does
seem
to
be
that
a
lot
of
that
brushy
growth
that
we've
seen
back
during
the
early
mid
summer.
It's
a
lot
lower
than
mowed
down.
You
know
some
of
I
guess
it's
kind
of
that
annual
herbaceous
growth.
That
kind
of
you
know
starts
dying
back
this
time
of
year
and
there
was
a
clear
browner
like
almost
like
a
straw.
J
Look
to
is
really
you
know,
dried
out
all
right
down
the
middle,
where
the
original
cut
was
at
that
we
that
caused
that
erosion
to
kind
of
precipitate
it
out
about
a
year
or
so
ago.
That
was
the
kind
of
a
key
point.
I'm
hoping
we'll
get
back
up
there
soon,
maybe
with
the
weather,
we'll
get
a
frost
here
soon
we'll
get
back
up
there
and
get
some
of
that
out
of
the
way
and
hopefully
get
an
active
application.
That
would
be
nice
to
have
an
active
application.
J
F
Okay,
because
I
would
say
that's
our
key
to
part
of
that
washout
is
that
area
there
that
looks
like
the
equipment
broke
through
that
membrane,
and
so
therefore,
it's
not
doing
its
job
and
if
it
came
back
to
alternative
compliance,
that
would
be
a
key
repair
that
they
would
have
to
deal
with
ed,
and
I
suggested
a
rock
to
go
in
there
and
maybe
I'll
come
up
with
something
else,
but
it
certainly
is
not
gonna
hold
with
just
the
planting,
especially
with
that
grass
seed
that
was
supplied
that
will
not
hold
it.
E
F
E
B
All
right
go
ahead.
H
Sharon
I
just
wanted
to
respond
directly
to
you.
You
asked
whether
or
not
erosion
and
landslides
are
sort
of
within
our
realm
of
concerns
on
the
ufc
and
so
our
mission
statement.
The
latest
version
I
have
of
it
anyway
does
mention
reducing
stormwater,
runoff
and
erosion,
so
it
is
formally
a
part
of
our
focus
and
I'm
certainly
concerned
about
it.
F
O
I
was
just
glad
to
hear
that
a
citation
was
issued
regarding
the
problem
of
15
days
ago
or
whatever,
as
I
reported
to
this
committee,
I
guess
it's
two
years
ago
a
neighbor
of
mine,
uphill,
raped
the
mountain
and
has
had
no
consequences
at
all.
None,
and
I
don't
get
it-
I
don't
I
I
wish
we
could
impose
some
rules,
some
enforcement
that
would
actually
take
to
task
the
people
who
violate
the
rules
around
especially
around
steep
slopes.
O
We,
it
appears
to
me
that
we
get
we
warn.
We
we
slap
risks,
we
aren't
we,
the
enforcement
is
not.
If,
if,
if
landscape
companies
started
getting
five
thousand
dollar
fines,
they
would
start
to
get
permits,
they
would
start
to
obey
the
rules.
O
B
Yeah,
I
think
your
point
is
well
taken,
particularly
with
the
policy
working
group
working
on
some
enforcement
issues.
I
had
a
question
kind
of
related
to
that
as
well,
maybe
for
ricky,
but
so,
for
example,
in
409
sunset,
when
they're
doing
their
permitting
for
the
grading
and
they're
on
steep
slope
b.
Do
they
also
at
that
time,
submit
their
landscape
plan
for
removal
of
trees
and
things
like
that?
How
does
that
get
processed.
J
That's
at
409
it's
on
site,
I
I
did
unroll
it
and
they
show
the
trees
on
the
plan
that
are
outside
of
the
limits
of
disturbance,
particularly
there's
like
one
area
where
the
driveway
comes
up,
the
slope
and
kind
of
doubles
back
to
the
north
and
then
reach
approach,
approaches
the
house
seat
and
there
was
three
or
four
trees
in
between
that
kind
of
that
u-shaped
area
those
trees
were
shown
and
those
along
the
downhill
side
near
the
road
were
shown
and-
and
that's
I
think,
where
me
and
sharon
both
agree-
that
there
seems
to
be
a
couple
at
least
two
or
three
trees
that
are
shown
on
that
plan
that
are
missing
now,
when
you're
holding
it
up
holding
the
plan.
J
B
J
J
Yes,
ma'am
if
there
is
a
for
some
reason,
if
they
kind
of
get
a
little
bit
too
quick
with
the
bulldozer
or
the
saw,
and
they
get
a
little
bit
wider
or
there's
something
that
develops
during
the
process.
They
do
you
know
and
they
find
out.
They
need
to
excavate
extra
now,
keep
in
mind
that
we've
had
two
in
kind
of
quick
succession,
but
there's
quite
a
few
reviews
occur
in
a
yearly
time
frame
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
issues
with.
J
So
we've
got
a
pretty
good
track
record
with
people
in
the
field
following
their
plans
fairly
closely.
I
wouldn't
be
surprised.
We
got
there
and
found
that
maybe
one
tree
disappeared,
it
wasn't,
but
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
track
record
overall
with
people
following
that
or
preemptively
asking
for
variants
like
with
altamonte
view,
we
had
back
early
this
year.
They
they
realized
up
front,
that
they
didn't
have
the
allowance
and
they
went
after.
B
F
B
F
Okay
and
then
there
was
that
issue
if
it
had
been
graded
before
so,
therefore,
it
was
allowed,
even
though
the
trees
were
20
years
old.
There
had
been
a
grading
permit.
Previous
to
that,
so
we
were
advised
that
they
were
allowed
to
do
this
because
of
the
previous
grading
that
were
done
and
that
brought
us
a
discussion
is
well.
What
is
how
many
years
ago
is
previous
grading
right
right,
so.
B
F
J
F
Yeah
and
that's
also
b,
and
they
there
was
no
plan
submitted.
So
the
thing
is
is
when
you're
on
a
bee,
you
have
to
submit
a
plan
before
you
start
taking
trees
down
a
lot
of
people
that
are
home
owners
that
live
out
of
the
area.
Do
not
know
this.
So
unless
you're,
like
all
of
us
and
you're
hyper
vigilant
or
you
get
emails,
people
go
because
I've
got
an
idea
that
it's
like
my
neighbor.
F
They
wanted
to
see
innsbruck
mall
for
some
reason,
so
they
slice
down
a
whole
load
of
trees
on
a
on
a
steep
slope
b
without
a
plan,
and
so
therefore,
then
it's
they're,
not
grading
they're,
just
removing.
So
that
also
is
a
different
violation
and
not
sometimes
a
real
violation,
but
just
something
they
can't
do.
But
on
this
one
on
windswept,
it's
steep
enough
that
that
should
be
a
a
zoning
violation
because
they
removed
the
trees.
They
topped
it
and
without
a
plan,
and
I'm
waiting
to
see
what
happened
with
that.
B
Awesome
well,
thank
you,
so
we'll
keep
obviously
that
in
mind
with
some
of
this
policy
review
as
well.
You
know
how
we
might
be
able
to
tie
in
the
rest
of
the
city
to
some
of
this
permitting
idea
like
steep
slope
and
then
enforcing
this
deep
slope
as
well,
and
educating
folks
is,
I
think,
would
be
a
piece
of
that
also
all
right
anything
else.
On
sort
of
that
whole
issue
all
right,
thank
you.
Sharon,
thanks,
ricky,
all
right,
so
legislation
update
patrick.
C
C
The
the
last
action
that
I've
seen
in
the
general
assembly
conference
committee
on
the
appropriations
bill,
sb
105,
which
incorporates
now
the
language
of
house
bill
496
that
would
prohibit
local
jurisdictions
from.
C
Implementing
tree
protection
ordinances
without
specific
authority
of
the
general
assembly,
the
last
action
in
the
conference
committee
was
a
second
reading
and
the
the
appropriations
bill
was
defeated
by
an
odd
vote
of
0
to
49,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was
a
procedural
move,
a
political
move
or
I'm
not
sure,
but
the
last
iteration
of
the
appropriation
bill
still
has
all
the
language
from
house
bill
496
in
it.
C
Julie
mayfield
had
told
me
that
they
were
going
to
try
and
take
out
that
language.
In
the
conference
committee,
I've
sent
her
several
emails
in
the
past
10
days
asking
for
some
update
on
where
it
stands
from
her
perspective
and
I've
not
heard
back
from
her.
C
So
as
far
as
I
know,
it's
still
still
the
conference
committee
and
that's
all
I
can
report
right
now.
I
I
do
have
just
a
small
update
in
addition
to
that.
As
a
member
of
local
progress,
north
carolina
members
of
elected
bodies
in
durham,
carrboro,
hillsborough,
durham,
city,
council
and
county,
the
salisbury
city
council
and
fayetteville
have
joined
in
a
letter
to
the
conference
committee,
not
only
around
those
matters
but
around
the
storm
water,
section
12.16,
the
tree
section
5.14
and
the
short-term
rentals
section
5.15.
I
B
F
Patrick,
what
does
zero
to
49
mean
is
there's
49
committee
members
on
that?
What's
that
vote
mean.
C
Well,
there's
a
few
more
than
49,
but
49
members
voted
no
on
the
second
reading.
Zero
members
voted
yes
and
there
were
maybe
a
half
a
dozen
abstentions.
C
F
C
I
I
will
keep
after
joe
lee
see
if
I
can
get
a
better
update
and
share
that
with
everybody.
Okay,.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
patrick
last
item
on
old
business.
Is
the
urban
place
udo
amendment
patrick?
Did
you
have
more
on
that.
C
Yes,
so
in
the
last
several
meetings
we
have
been
discussing
the
possibility
of
requiring
a
25
urban
tree
canopy
coverage
for
urban
centers.
C
That
seemed
to
resonate
with
city
staff,
but
I
believe
they
took
it
back
to
the
legal
department,
and
I
don't
know
if
eric's
still
here
and
whether
he
wants
to
chime
in
on
that.
But
there
was
a
legal
concern
about
requiring
a
percentage
of
tree
canopy
coverage
that
exceeded
the
percentage
of
tree
canopy
coverage
preservation
in
719..
C
So
I
believe
now
the
option
that's
on
the
table
to
get
around
that
would
be
to
amend
719
the
tree,
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
to
add
another
class,
a
class
d
that
would
just
cover
urban
centers
and
create
a
urban
canopy
coverage
that
would
go
up
to
25.
C
I
believe
that
we
still
need
to
work
on
that
language
with
with
eric.
But
eric
do
you
have
any?
Do
you
want
to
say
anything.
L
No,
that's
that's
correct.
We.
What
my
advice
was
is
to
not
create
different
standards
and
different
sections
of
the
ordinance.
If
you
do
that,
you
run
the
risk
of
creating
an
ambiguity
and
those
will
always
be
construed
against
the
city,
so
my
advice
was
to
whatever
percentage
you
land
on
to
put
that
in
chapter
subsection
19,
and
we
can
do
that
through
an
amendment.
I'd
also
suggested
that
it
might
be
useful
to
consider
whether
these
urban
centers
could
just
be
placed
in
class
c,
given
that
they
don't
have
existing
tree
canopy.
L
I
think
that's
true
of
all
of
the
prospective
sites
that
would
de
facto
results
in
a
20
requirement,
which
is
close
enough,
that
you
don't
then
have
to
amend
that
section
of
the
ordinance
and
further
you
keep
it.
You
keep
the
ordinance
structure
that
that
we
thought
a
lot
about
in
terms
of
allowing
for
preservation,
even
though
there
may
not
be
trees
on
sites,
as
opposed
to
just
all
new
plantings.
L
So
my
question
was
whether
this
commission
would
consider
that,
given
that
just
putting
it
within
c
keeps
it
completely
in
line
with
the
goals
of
that
ordinance,
which
is
to
allow
for
preservation
where
possible
and
planting
where
it's
not
and
then
also
given
the
fact
that
it's
so
close
to
the
the
percentage
threshold
that
you
all
were
recommending.
Anyways
and
again.
That
wouldn't
require
an
amendment,
but
at
least
wanted
to
flag
the
possibility
for
you
all
that,
if
you
just
put
it
within
c
you're,
going
to
end
up
pretty
much
with
20.
C
Yeah,
I
think
we
sort
of
did
a
quick
straw
poll
on
email
and
ed
and
sharon
you
can
and
steve.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
that
we
wanted
to
keep
with
the
25
canopy
coverage
for
urban
centers.
C
G
That
would
definitely
be
the
first
choice
to
see
if
we
could
get
get
there.
But,
oh,
I
guess
it
would
be
a
backup
to
go
to
what
eric
was
talking
about,
but
I
mean
I,
I
think,
we're
you
know.
25
is
you
know
we'd
like
to
have
more
than
that,
but
25
percent
seemed
like
a
very
workable
figure
when
we
tested
it
a
little
bit.
E
F
Commercial
and
there'd
be
a
lot
of
heat
island
effect
that
would
occur,
and
also
my
personal
concern
is
that
I
know
that
the
city
wants
these
interior
streets
so
that
there
would
be
street
trees,
but
I
do
know
that
there's
a
big
push
back
from
the
development
community
that
these
interior
streets
aren't
necessarily
what
they
want
to
do
and
that
they're
going
to
show
up
as
a
cz
without
these
interior
streets.
F
This
is
just
my
thought
process,
and
so,
therefore,
we
don't
have
the
advantages
of
asking
for
street
trees
and
that's
my
concern
of
why
keeping
it
at
25
would
be
optimum
for.
G
Me
reach
the
20.
We
it's
a
good
chance.
We
would
reach
the
25
if
we,
the
street
trees,
are,
do
come
into
play.
We
would
probably
be
close
to
that
in
many
cases.
G
Right
but
but
our
objective
was
to
say:
okay
assuming
we
will
get
the
street
trees
and
any
other
trees
that
are
that
are
projected
for
the
development
that
we
will
get
close
to
25
percent.
If
we
don't
get
25
percent,
then
we
go
to
a
fee
and
lose
situation
anyway.
We
you
know,
there's
we
we
want
to
frame
it
as
best
case
first
and
then
see
what
the
possibilities
are.
After
that.
C
I
I
do
want
to
raise
the
risk,
which
is
what
I
believe
that
eric
was
right
sort
of
alluding
to,
and
that
is
if
we
stick
with
our
desire
to
have
a
25
tree
canopy
coverage
for
urban
centers,
and
that
requires
a
udo
amendment.
C
Prompt
other
challenges
to
the
tree:
canopy
preservation,
ordinance
by
incorporating
urban
center
in
class
c.
There's
no
amendment,
there's
no
risk,
so
you
know
I
just
want
to
put
that
risk
out
there
so
that
everybody
knows
we
go
ahead
with
the
25
there's
always
that
possibility.
B
Good
point:
vidilla.
M
I'd
like
to
suggest
another
way
forward,
knowing
that
we
are
amending
the
landscaping
section
of
the
code
that
would
have
broad
reaching
kind
of
a
comprehensive
review
of
of
how
you
know
landscaping
standards
would
be
affected
in
urban,
centers
and
everywhere.
M
One
option
would
be
just
to
not
take
a
step
right
now
to
amend
the
tree
preservation
ordinance
specifically
to
try
to
capture
urban
centers,
as
it
goes
to
city
council
and
wait
to
see
how
the
landscaping
code
is
worked
out
partially
because
it
seems
like
I
think,
sharon
suggested
and
our
analysis
is
showing
that
we're
probably
going
to
have
a
pretty
decent
canopy
in
these
locations
because
of
the
the
trees
that
are
as
part
of
the
requirement
for
for
streets
which
are
integral
to
the
code.
M
Having
said
that,
some
people
may
feel
like
they.
They
need
the
security
of
wanting
to
know
that
something
is
is,
is
on
the
books
and
25
is
guaranteed,
but
that
comes
a
little
bit
of
a
cost
that
we
have
to
open
up.
You
know
that
that
ordinance
and
bring
it
back
to
through
the
through
the
official
review
process,
planning,
azonia
city
council.
E
Yeah,
I'm
not
as
worried
about
revisions
to
719
we've.
We've
always
had
that
possibility
on
the
table
after
working
through
it
for
the
first
year
so
and
chris
collins
is
keeping
a
bug
list
with
some
issues
with
the
canopy
amendment.
Now
as
it
is
so
it
will
be
coming
up
for
amendments
sometime
within
the
next
12
to
18
months
anyway,
and
that's
when
it
would
be
appropriate
to
put
that
new
class
d
in
there
to
bring
in
the
urban
foreign
code
percentage.
B
When
is
the
urban
form
code,
when
is
this
going
forward?
What's
our
timeline.
C
So
phase
one
already
went
to
planning
and
zoning
and
I
believe
it's
going
to
city
council
later
this
month,
phase
two
should
be
coming
up
in
the
next
couple
months.
Is
that
correct,
vadilla.
M
C
So
the
the
theory
was
that
unless
there's
a
project
that
comes
through
the
starts,
the
the
process
approval
process
in
phase
one
as
long
as
we
work
this
out
by
the
time
that
the
city
proceeds
with
phase
two,
then
it
would
apply
to
any
project
whether
it
was
phase
two
or
phase
one.
C
I
believe
that
sharon
had
some
questions
concerning
building
impact,
trees
and
var
trees
and
sharon.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
ask
us
now
that
we
particularly
have
eric
and
vadilla
here.
Maybe
they
can
clarify
those
questions.
F
Well,
building
impact
trees
can
be
first
of
all
in
this
code.
They
they
are
not
wanting
building
impact
trees,
and
my
concern
was
that
you
can
take
vu.
You
can
take
buffer
trees
and
on
any
other
development
other
than
this
new
form
code
urban
center
and
use
the
buffer
trees
as
credits
to
building
impact
trees.
You
can
credit
building
impact
trees
with
existing
trees,
so
say,
there's
some
trees
in
a
buffer
area.
F
You
can
use
those
as
a
credit
if
there's
over
and
above
what
is
required
and
use
those
credited
as
building
impact
trees,
if
you're
required
for
building
impact
trees.
If
they
have
no
building
impact
trees,
then
my
issue
is
that
vua
trees
cannot
be
credited
out
with
existing
canopy
that
voa
trees
are
vua
and
they
have
to
have
x
amount
of
trees
with
x
amount
of
percentage
of
coverage,
no
matter
what
and
they
cannot
be.
F
F
M
Well,
it
brings
up
a
good
question
and
I
think
a
challenge
for
us
in
in
how
to
how
to
manage
this,
because
when,
when
somebody
doesn't
reach
the
percentage
whatever
it
is,
and
they
have
a
difference,
doesn't
matter
where
they
put
the
trees
you're,
suggesting
that
it
may
matter.
E
Can
I
remind
the
group
of
part
of
our
discussion
last
week
on
this
it?
The
way
we
had
left
it
was
that
the
whole
idea
of
establishing
a
minimum
canopy
percentage
was
to
simplify
the
whole
process
and
and
the
discussion
had
as
a
genesis
out
of
concern
as
to
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
require
building
impact
trees.
E
So
so
we
said
well,
let's
forget
about
building
impact
trees.
We
have
required
street
trees,
potentially
buffer
trees,
vehicle
use
area
trees.
So
so
why
don't
we
just
set
instead
a
minimum
standard
of
25
and
maintain
the
the
vehicle
use
and
street
tree
requirement
and
write
the
code
so
that
those
requirements
be
met
or
25?
G
F
But
the
problem
with
that
is,
is
that
we've
got
vehicle,
use,
vua
trees
that
don't
have
any
application.
If
we're
going
to
use
street
trees
and
we've
got
let's
say
three:
three
trees
in
the
middle
of
a
vua
and
the
rest
are
street
trees.
So
there's
no
continuity.
There's
my
concern
is
that
parking
lot
island
effect
where
we've
got
a
huge
area,
that's
going
to
be
parking,
I'm
assuming,
because
it's
urban
center
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
parking
and
say
they
choose
to
use
their
trees
in
street
trees.
F
And
then
we
leave
this
big
hole
in
the
middle
of
vua
trees,
and
this
is
after
me,
thinking
about
it
and
working
on
trc
and
knowing
the
layout
of
how
existing
dua
trees
are
now
and
why
they're
set
up
the
way
they
are
now.
So
it's
not
that
I
disagree
with
the
25.
E
Yeah,
well,
you
know
we
should
probably
have
more
discussion
on
this
outside
of
this
commission
meeting
but
yeah.
You
know
the
whole
thing
about
urban
urban
forum.
Urban
center
form
code
is
that
you
start
moving
towards
structured
parking
anyway,
and
your
vehicle
use
areas
might
be
more
underground
or
in
decks
and
and
then,
if
you
still
get
your
25
tree
coverage,
you're
you're
doing
better
than
you
would.
F
Right
we
had
that
discussion
last
time
and
my
concern
is
that
that's
not
happening
now.
It
will
happen
in
the
future,
but
meanwhile,
when
we
look
at
planned
obsolescence
on
how
long
and
we
have
the
discussion,
how
long
are
these
centers
actually
going
to
last
before
their
race
and
something
else
goes
in
there?
My
concern,
as
always,
is
what
what's
going
on
now
I
mean
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
it's
valid,
and
I'm
I'm
looking
more
into
what's
my
current
future
as
opposed
to
long-term
future,
I
don't
know
if
that's
right
wrong.
C
So,
madam
president,
unless
anybody
else
wants
to
chime
in
I'm,
gonna
suggest
that
that
vadilla
coordinate
with
eric
and
come
up
with
another.
C
B
You
know
whatever
anyway,
I
was
joking,
but
yes,
no,
I
it
sounds
to
me
like
all
the
right
questions
are
on
the
table.
It's
just
going
to
be
a
matter
of
getting
those
details
worked
out
so
yeah.
I
think
you
should
do
that
in
the
working
group
framework.
So
thank
you
very
much
any
other
questions
or
points
for
that
group.
B
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
on
that.
It
sounds
again
like
we're
on
the
right
track
of
getting
what
we
need
for
canopy
cover,
let's
have
to
work
out
the
details
of
getting
it
into
there,
so
that
was
it
for
old
business.
We
did
not
have
any
new
business
on
the
agenda,
we're
pretty
much
covering
everything
that
we'll
be
covering
for
the
next
few
months,
but
as
always,
if
there
are
any
ideas
or
issues
for
agenda
just
get
them
to
me
or
patrick,
before
a
meeting
we'll
get
them
on.