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B
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
brian
moffett,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
meeting
of
the
asheville
downtown
commission
for
january
14
2022
happy
new
year.
The
actual
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
urban
center
of
western
north
carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
B
In
addition,
downtown
commissioners
currently
fill
four
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design
review
committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district.
The
river
arts,
district
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas,
and
the
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
B
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
are
continuing
to
work
through
our
committee
meetings.
A
bit
differently.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
also
linked
on
the
downtown
commission's
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
for
those
of
you
that
are
out
there
with
us
today.
B
Welcome
at
this
time
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
our
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
committee
members.
You
know
how
to
do
this.
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
and
would
like
to
speak,
unmute
your
microphone
and
remember
to
re-mute
your
your
device
after
you
are
done
speaking
and
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
andrew
fletcher.
B
Good
morning
our
new
commissioner
tau
frankfurt
is
unable
to
join
us
today,
kimberly
johnson.
B
I
morning,
reading
too
fast,
my
apologies,
stephen
lee
johnson,
hey
good
morning.
I
am
here
robin
reigns.
B
Good
morning
our
new
member
of
ricardo,
sejo,
say
yo
say
ho.
Thank
you
very
much
good
morning,
good
morning,
ruth
summers.
B
I
see
you
saying
good
morning
good
morning,
miss
ruth
good
morning.
There
we
are
in
our
city,
council
liaison
sage
turner,.
B
Good
morning,
thank
you.
So
we
will
begin
our
committee
agenda
items
at
this
time
to
help
our
audience
follow
along.
I
will
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud.
I
will
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
B
Our
committee
members
know
to
raise
their
hand
to
speak
and
I'll
do
my
very
best
to
call
upon
them.
So
at
this
time
we
will
walk
through
our
draft
action
minutes
approval
of
minutes.
We
have
draft
action
minutes
from
december
10th
2021,
and
then
we
have
notes
regarding
a
joint
meeting
that
we
had
with
multimodal
transportation
on
december
16
2021..
B
Are
there
any
comments
or
additions
or
revisions
to
make
to
the
draft
action
minutes?
Please
remember
that
these
are
just
the
draft
action
minutes.
The
the
full
minutes
are
considered
the
video
recording
of
the
meeting
or
a
motion
to
approve.
B
D
B
Steven
lee
hi-
I
am
I
robin.
E
B
B
B
Good
ruth.
I
H
B
That
motion
passes
so
our
agenda
today.
We
will
briefly
see
if
we've
had
any
public
comment.
We
do
have
some
new
business
in
presentations.
We
have
a
project
review
development
impact
discussion
for
the
star
building
a
pergola
for
the
aeris
building.
We
have
updates
for
development
at
123
haywood
street
at
363
hillyard.
B
We
have
some
discussion
on
our
annual
report
and
our
council
recommendations.
We
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
public
space
management
committee
re-establishment,
I'd
like
to
take
a
vote
on
that
and
then
we'll
have
updates
and
reports
concerning
our
design
review
committee
and
our
actual
downtown
association
in
the
downtown
update
report.
So
do
we
have
any
public
comment
or
live
call
in
at
this
time?.
B
K
K
All
right,
can
you
all
see
see
this
page
here
with
the
historic
photo.
K
So
so
this
project
is
a
historic
rehabilitation
of
the
star.
Building
located
downtown
here
is
a
historic
photo
of
it
with
some
information
about
the
project,
it's
located
at
28,
lexington
and
72
broadway,
so
it
spans
and
has
frontages
on
on
both
of
those
streets.
K
The
project
went
through
technical
review
committee
on
december
january
10th,
and
that
was
approved
with
conditions
and
it's
scheduled
for
design
review
committee
later
in
february,
I
believe
february,
21st
or
so
the
third
thursday
in
february.
K
So
here's
some
some
ground
floor
floor
plans
of
the
proposed
project.
You
can
see
the
retail
being
proposed
on
lexington
avenue
on
broadway
because
of
the
slope
of
the
between
the
blocks.
This
is
kind
of
below
grade.
This
is
kind
of
more
of
a
sub
level
on
on
broadway,
with
businesses
support
space.
K
Here's
a
good
aerial
view
showing
the
building
here,
broadway
in
the
foreground
and
lexington.
In
the
background
with
the
alley,
you
can
see
that
kind
of
comes
in
on
the
other
side
of
the
block
here,
so
this
project
consists
of
a
historic
historic
rehabilitation.
K
It's
in
the
national
register,
historic
district
and
the
project
will
be
rehabilitated
using
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation,
so
the
lexington
street
or
avenue
facade
will
be
rehabilitated.
It's
not
it's
not
changing
a
lot
from
the
historic
condition,
most
of
its
kind
of
repair
of
elements
and
replacement
as
needed,
kind
of
just
relocating
or
refurbishing
the
marble
marble
glass
here
on
the
storefront,
but
kind
of
keeping
all
the
openings
and
windows
in
place.
K
Today,
the
broadway
street
simulations.
K
In
order
to
kind
of
revert
back
to
its
more
original
condition,
it's
almost
hard
to
tell
that
these
are
the
same
buildings,
but
this
is
the
existing
facade
of
broadway,
with
these
kind
of
four,
almost
like
new
orleans
style,
balconies
and
doors,
and
it's
going
to
be
refurbished
back
to
the
original
openings
of
four
windows
over
four
windows
on
the
second
and
third
floors.
K
K
K
B
Well,
maybe
I
should
save
this
for
the
design
review.
Is
there
a
reason
they're
doing
stucco
on
the
refurbished
side
versus
restoring
the
brick,
or
is
that
they're
not
brick
there?
This
is
on
the
broadway
street
side
at
the
at
the
bottom
of
the
elevation
they're
doing
stucco.
I'm
just
curious.
Why.
L
K
Here,
I'm
not
sure.
B
A
stucco
product
which
is
allowed,
you
know
we
don't
allow
ethys,
we
do
allow
stucco,
but
I'm
just
a
little
curious.
If
you
knew
I.
B
K
Yes,
so
it
will
require
community
benefits,
they
have
not
identified
any
yet
but
they're.
Aware
of
that
and.
B
M
Thank
you.
I
had
just
more
of
a
question
on
the
site
plan
on.
There
seems
to
be
a
discrepancy
about
what
to
do
with
the
existing
street
trees.
M
There's
one
on
broadway
and
there
are
two
on
lexington
and
I
just
had
a
couple
of
comments
about
what
I'm
seeing
on
that.
So
will.
Are
you
aware
what
their
plan
is.
K
K
I
review
I
can't
recall
which
street
frontage
it
is
now
top
of
my
head,
but
one
of
the
trees
needs
to
be
removed
because
it's
mature
tree,
but
I
guess
the
way
it
was
planted
and
the
way
it
was
allowed
to
grow
how
the
roots
have
infiltrated
into
the
sidewalk.
So
that's
that
was
agreed
to
be
replaced.
K
So
they
are,
they
happy
they're
the
street
tree.
They
are
replacing
them,
so
I
believe,
what's
there
today
will
exist
in
the
future.
M
I
have
a,
I
have
a
recommendation,
I'm
looking
at
sheet
of
l101,
which
is
the
landscape
compliance
plan.
It
states
on
that
sheet
that
the
existing
tree
on
broadway
and
the
existing
trees
on
lexington
are
to
remain.
M
I
think
that's
where
the
discrepancy
is,
but
at
any
rate,
my
suggestion
is
that
the
tree
on
broadway
street
needs
to
be
removed.
It's
diseased,
it
looks
like
it's
got.
Some
southwest
fart
bark
issues
going
on
and
I
just
think
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
very
carefully.
I
would
suggest
that
that
tree
come
out
and
a
new,
healthy,
vibrant
nursery
grown
permanent
street
tree
growing
go
in
that
place
with
a
silver
cell
system
in
there.
M
I
invite
anybody
to
go
on
google's
street
view
and
look
at
that
or
walk
by
it
and
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
on
lexington
avenue.
It's
two
bradford
pairs.
I
think
that
are
in
that
spot
those
both
need
to
come
out
and
they
need
to
be
replaced,
but
there
is
a
big
power
line
on
the
top
of
that.
So
just
those
two
points
I
wanted
to
bring
out
for
the
development
team
to
take
a
look
at.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah,
my
my
question
is
about
ingress
and
egress
to
tingle
alley
during
the
project.
I
know
there
are
people
that
live
back
there.
That's
their
only
way
in
and
out
is
they're
going
to
be
any
consideration
of
the
immediate
neighbors
and
restricting
construction
use
to
you
know
allow
other
uses
for
those
folks
who
would
otherwise
be
trapped
there,
a
little
concerned
about
that.
K
That
did
not
come
up
during
the
the
technical
review.
I
don't
believe
it
was
noted
whether
what
the
access
would
be
like,
I
don't
believe,
they're
proposing
to
restrict
or
close
the
alley
during
construction
or
anything
like
that.
We
can
certainly
understand
what
their
plans
are.
Yes,
they're,
not
impacting
other
uses
or
blocking
access
to
any
kind
of
unnecessary
degree.
B
Well,
you
can
just
note
that
they
have
to
provide
a
construction
staging
and
site
access
plan,
especially
for
downtown,
and
you
can
just
note
that
in
your
report,
that
you
know
we
we
raised
that
issue
and
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
tingle
alley,
ingressy
aggress
regress,
is
maintained
for
all
occupants
and
residences.
During
the
during
the
scope
of
the
project.
C
Because
they're
the
apartments
and
things
there
that's
second
floor
to
lexington
ground
floor
to
tingle.
So
if
they're,
you're,
they're
blocked
in
on
the
tangle
side,
there's
they
don't
have
a
way
out
and
that's
the
type
of
thing
that
we've
seen
developers
who
have
not
really
considered
very
well
in
the
past.
And
I
want
to
make
sure
the
city
is
on
the
side
of
the
people
who
are
living
in
that
area
and
guaranteeing
that
the
other
thing
is
the
applicant
made
any
comment
about
where
they
intend
their
guests
to
park.
K
They
haven't
that
was
brought
up
because
it
will
require
17
working
spaces
for
the
hotel,
use.
We've
identified
that
and
provided
that
information
to
us.
At
some
point,
I
believe
I
believe
the
zoning
was
changed
recently,
that
future
hotel
uses
will
have
to
provide
their
parking
on
site,
but
this
project
was
submitted
prior
to
that
change.
So
I
believe
they're
allowed.
C
To
provide
the
parking
lot
yeah,
clearly,
the
timing
of
this
project
was
to
take
advantage
of
that,
because
it
was
after
downtown
commission
had
recommended
to
council
that
we
that
we
require
onsite
parking
for
lodging
use,
but
shortly
before
council
was
actually
able
to
get
that
through.
So
I
think
that's
the
that
seems
like
the
prime
reason
why
this
is
getting
under
the
wires
to
avoid
a
a
council
vote
that
would
have
to
have
given
this
project
an
exception.
C
So
I
think
we
did
the
right
thing
in
in
november
requiring
lodging
to
have
on-site
parking.
I'm
sorry
to
see
this
project
get
under
the
wire
because
I
think
it
it.
It
defeats
the
the
intention
of
the
city.
So
that's
that's
hard
to
see
another
private
developer.
Getting
one
up
on
us.
B
I
see
shannon
has
her
hand
up
and
then
guillo,
I
think.
A
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
commission
that
the
the
scale
of
this
project's
a
level
two
so
it
it
doesn't
require
council
review.
It.
Has
this
this
option
to
kind
of
bypass
council
for
a
hotel,
but
it
is
required
a
neighborhood
meeting.
I
went
to
check
the
notes
when
commissioner
fletcher
asked
the
question
about
access
to
the
property
wondering
if
perhaps
that
was
discussed
in
the
neighborhood
meeting.
A
I
didn't
see
it
specifically
mentioned,
but
they
did
highlight
that
you
know
project
schedule
and
construction
timing
and
all
of
that
was
discussed
so
hopefully
some
of
that
information
was
shared
and
these
neighborhood
meetings
just
to
remind
the
commission.
They
don't
just
go
to
property
owners.
The
the
notices
don't
go
just
to
property
owners.
It
goes
to
all
the
addresses
within
200
feet.
So
hopefully
any
residents
in
the
area
would
have
been
informed
of
this
pending
project.
A
The
parking
yeah
that
is
true
so
yeah
so
will
will
is
correct.
We
did,
and
actually
it
was
it
was
based
on.
The
recommendation
came
from
this
commission
that
we
should
require.
A
You
know,
hotels,
being
the
only
only
use
in
our
downtown
that
we
require
off
street
parking,
but
that
that
off
street
parking
should
be
on
site
that
was
adopted
by
council.
That
is
a
standard
now,
however,
this
application
did
precede
that
the
they
will
be
required.
However,
to
produce
some
sort
of
lease
agreement
or
something
before
any
construction
permitting
will
be
released.
They'll
have
to
show
that
they've
secured
the
appropriate
number
of
off-street
parking
spaces.
B
And
that's
along
the
pedestrian
path
of
travel.
As
I
recall,
it's
not
a
radius.
K
C
A
And
and
that
standard
has
already,
I
think,
thrown
wrench
in
plans
of
several
other
pending
applications
just
yesterday
I
was
asked
about
that
and
explained,
and
you
know
that
kind
of
put
the
end
to
that
question.
So.
K
I
believe
I
believe,
maybe
both
sides
there's
definitely.
G
I
was
just
I'm
concerned
about
its
impact,
the
hotel
impact
on
on
lexington.
I
just
want
to
make
a
personal
comment,
I'm
very
dismayed
that
this
is
being
stuck
in
the
middle
of
one
of
the
most
beautiful.
B
D
B
Anybody
got
a
any
staff,
have
an
answer
to
that.
So
I
I
I'll
just
chime
in
as
a
designer
who's
had
to
do
in
the
village,
had
to
do
shared
parking
agreements
and-
and
I
don't
recall
any
particular
attacks
other
than
I
don't
recall
any
particular
tax
on
or
additional
fees
that
we
had
to
pay
in
order
to
utilize
remote
parking,
I
think,
is
what
they
call
it.
Shannon
you
have
your
hand
up.
You
have
a
better
answer,
I'm
sure.
A
Yeah
there
there
is
no
additional
tax.
Of
course,
the
commission
is
aware
that
this
is
a
a
designated
improvement
district
and
we
could,
at
some
point
in
the
future,
adopt
a
business
improvement
tax
for
the
downtown
and
use
that
money
for
things
like
sidewalk
improvements,
but
as
it
is
now,
there
isn't
anything
like
that.
D
Okay,
well,
thank
you
and
I
think
that's
what
I
was
kind
of
getting
at,
because
we
had
talked
about
in
the
past
a
business
improvement
tax,
quite
quite
a
while
back,
and
I
just
didn't
know
if
this
kind
of
fit
the
bill
in
terms
of
you
know,
off-site
parking
and
parking
lease
agreements,
and
this
is
where
that
would
fit.
So
thank
you
again
for
kind
of
obliging
me.
H
Just
since
we're
on
topic
this
term,
the
bid
business
improvement
district
continues
to
come
up
more
and
more
often
in
your
experience
with
that.
If
something
like
that
existed,
would
a
can,
it
be
prescribed
that
something
like
a
lodging
use
would
pay
a
higher
rate
than
other
businesses.
Does
anybody
know?
I
I
think
in
north
carolina
properties
are
assessed,
can
need
to
be
assessed
consistently
based
on
assessed
value
yeah,
so
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
which
properties
have
higher
assessed
values,
maybe
the
larger
ones.
Maybe
you
know
commercial
uses
can
play
into
that,
but
I
don't
think
north
carolina
gives
you
the
flexibility
to
be
specific.
A
Yeah
it,
I
think,
dana
well,
I'm
quite
sure
dana
is
correct,
but
I
will
say,
having
looked
at
the
assessed
value
of
some
of
our
hotel
properties,
it's
quite
high,
so
over
some
of
the
other
commercial
properties.
So
I
I
think
that
you
know
they
would
probably
pay
a
higher
rate
just
based
on
their
assessed
value.
A
G
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in
because
I
I
I
had
lived
in
in
the
french
quarter
and
I
bring
this
up
a
lot
because
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
love
downtown
in
this
central
business
district
and
the
french
quarter
in.
D
G
Businesses
had
to
there
was
a
sort
of
an
impact
he
or
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
a
directly
attacked,
but
because
of
the
need
to
increase
municipal
services
such
as
regular.
You
know
two
or
three
times
a
day:
trash
pickup
and
the
traffic
control,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
You
can.
You
can
imagine,
and
these
businesses
had
to
pick
up
that
extra
slack,
because
you
really
did
have
a
a
need
for
focusing
on
on
on
keeping
public
spaces
clean,
safe,
increased
policing
all
of
those
things.
G
So
I-
and
I
guess,
I'm
I'm-
I
kind
of
want
to
mention
the
sensations
here.
Our
council
liaison
that
I
think
that
that
I
would
encourage
that
discussion
in
the
very
near
future
to
to
to
have
the
businesses
that
impact
our
public
spaces
downtown
pay
for
additional
services.
B
C
Ahead,
andrew
yeah,
I'm
gonna,
you
know
the
other
way
to
do
that
with
taxation
is
just
to
do
it.
The
other
way
and
rebate
rebates
uses
that
we
like,
for
instance,
you
know.
C
We
know
that
residential
uses
really
contribute
to
a
downtown
having
just
eyes
in
front,
and
you
know
creating
a
presence
of
of
community
and
people
who
can
walk
to
work
and
things
like
that
who
aren't
aren't
creating
you
know:
infrastructure,
wear
and
tear
in
the
same
way
you
can
always
rebate
them
and
you
know
even
potentially
just
give
them
a
zero
rate
of
of
of
that
district.
H
Sorry,
oh
yeah,
andrew
chiming,
in
on
that
it
makes
me
think
too.
Every
time
we
have
a
tax
credit
project
in
downtown
they're,
usually
done
by
a
nonprofit
developer,
or
you
know,
even
if
you
looked
at
the
current
proposed
haywood
street
congregation,
their
development
arm
is
a
non-profit,
so
they
would
be
in
a
sense
already
not
rebated
they're
just
exempt.
But
you
know
some
of
these
residential
projects
already
have
some
incentives
built
in
it's
a
curious
thought.
It's
a
good
point.
B
I
think
we,
I
think
that
covers
pretty
much
all
of
our
substantive
comments
on
this
project.
At
this
time,
correct,
stephen
lee,
you
have
one
more
thing:
go
ahead.
M
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
just
curious
what
the
actual
pattern
is
for
getting
in
and
out
of
the
building.
If
you're
a
guest
from
what
I
can
tell
on
the
floor
plans,
it
looks
like
you
entered
the
building.
A
hotel
guest
would
enter
the
building
through
the
alley
and
is:
is
that
alley
part
of
what's
being
proposed
to
be
kind
of
a
maybe
like
car
stacking
for
guest
arrival
at
you
know
three
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
on
thursday
or
friday.
M
M
E
Ahead,
I
can
tell
you
it
says:
exit
onto
the
alley
right
there
at
the
lower
part,
and
that's
that's
where
the
main
entrance
would
be
and
access
to
the
elevators
and
the
stair
in
the
middle
of
the
building
and
the
parking
would
be
there.
Also,
so
that
you
go
in
from
there
and
then
decide
whether
you
want
to
go
upstairs
downstairs.
B
B
Okay,
well,
I
I
will
I'm
going
to
summarize
what
my
understanding
is
for
now,
so
stephen
lee
noted
specific
items
regarding
the
trees.
I
think
I
think
you
need
to
note
that
and
and
pass
that
along.
B
I
think
there
has
been
a
good
deal
of
discussion
about
how
the
building
is
accessed,
regarding
specifically
keeping
access
during
construction
of
tingle
alley
and
then
how
the
the
the
the
flow
of
traffic
to
and
from
the
building
specifically
from
hotel
guests
and
where
the
parking
is
located
for
hotel
guests
is
an
issue
for
for
the
downtown
commission
that
that
needs
to
be
clearly
noted
and
described,
and
those
impacts
de-emphasized
as
much
as
pos
as
practical,
and
then
there
were
just
some
general
notes.
B
Regarding
you
know,
we're
downtown
is
the
downtown
commission.
Well,
we
like
this
building.
I
I
very
much
appreciate
the
the
restoration
of
the
design.
I
think
there's
a
general
sense
that
we
wish
it
was
something
other
than
a
hotel,
but
it
is
what
it
is
and
we'll
move
from
there.
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
the
gist
of
what
we
discussed
and
then
for
staff.
B
What
I've
noted
is
that
there's
a
a
sense
that
the
commission
would
like
to
communicate
to
council
that
and
kimmy
that
was
brilliant,
that
there
may
we
need
to
capture
some
way
when
we
have
remote
parking,
that
that
does
introduce
they're
using
public
resources
to
meet
their
parking
requirement,
and
you
know,
is
there
any
way
that
we're
utilizing
to
capture
that
and
andrew's
suggestion
of
you
know,
rebating
uses
that
contribute
less
to
the
impact
is
a
is
a
good
recommendation.
B
Something
council
could
consider
as
they
as
they
move
forward
with
that.
So
with
that,
I
think
we
can
move
on
unless
anyone
objects
to
the
next
item
and
a
this
is
a
addition
of
a
pergola
onto
the
eris
building,
I'm
not
sure
who's
presenting.
That
is
that
you
again
will
it's.
J
A
So
for
our
new
commissioners,
I'm
shannon
tuck,
I
work
with
will
in
the
planning
and
urban
design
department,
so
you'll
be
seeing
us
semi-regularly
at
these
meetings
doing
these
development
updates.
This
next
item
is
a
new
request
from
the
rs,
the
mckibben
hotel
group
that
owns
the
iris
hotel
on
broadway
or
broadway
patton.
A
Actually,
it's
got
frontage
on
multiple
streams
and
they
would
like
to
add
some
outdoor
dining
one-story
pergolas
in
front
of
their
building.
So
you
can
see
from
the
site
plan
here.
The
shaded
blue
areas
are
the
location
of
these
two
pergolas.
They
would
be
symmetrical
on
either
side
of
the
main
entrance
of
the
building
they're
about
14
by
40
feet
so
about
560
square
feet,
each
so
a
little
over
a
thousand
square
feet
and
again
it's
for
the
purpose
of
providing
sheltered
space
for
outdoor
dining.
The
the
space
currently
is
outdoor
dining.
A
They
have
some
seating
out
there
they're,
you
know
outside
of
their
restaurant
bar
area.
That
is
on
the
first
floor,
just
inside
the
main
entrance.
So
this
would
just
be
sheltered
space.
It
is
on
private
property.
The
iris
is
a
little
bit
unique
in
our
downtown
and
that
the
face
of
the
building
doesn't
come
out
all
the
way
to
the
public
right-of-way
and
the
the
pergolas
pretty
much
define
where
their
property
line
is
and
then
beyond.
A
So,
and
I
should
say
that
the
material
that
they
are
proposing
to
use
would
be
I
from
what
I
understand.
It's
like
a
rigid
plastic
and
it's
going
to
have
some
mechanical
capability.
You
know
so
it
can
be
louvered
to
ventilate
and
there's
going
to
also
be
some
screens
some
mechanical
screening
in
there.
So
when
the
sun
is,
you
know,
in
the
winter,
when
the
sun
is
lower
in
the
horizon
and
it's
shining
in
you
know
they
can
kind
of
screen.
A
So
here
you
can
see
the
sort
of
the
perspective
views
of
that
one
story
for
those
one-story
pergolas
on
the
front
of
the
building.
It's
it's
a
little
tricky.
The
the
the
udo
in
the
design
requirements
is
pretty
generous,
so
we
we
limit
one
stories.
A
You
know
whether
it's
in
addition
or
new
construction,
you
can't
really
have
a
one-story
building
in
the
downtown.
You
can
do
very
limited,
one-story
additions,
you
know
less
than
a
thousand
square
feet,
no
more
than
twenty
percent
of
your
gross
floor
area,
etc,
but
that
that-
and
that
applies
to
the
majority
of
additions.
But
there
is
this
pretty
generous
exception
for
outdoor
dining
areas.
A
It
also
says
that
that's
the
only
time
you
can
put
it
in
front
of
a
building,
so
here
we
have
probably
one
of
the
most
prominent
buildings
in
our
downtown
with
these
pergolas
that
are
normally.
We
would
never
allow
one
story
additions
and
certainly
not
on
the
front
of
a
building,
but
here
we
have
this
exception
for
outdoor
dining,
so
the
yu-gi-oh
is
pretty
generous
in
that
regard.
The
design
guidelines
aren't
super
helpful.
A
It
does.
There
is
some
guidelines
under
rehabilitation,
maintenance
and
additions
about
additions.
But
again
it's
really
referring
to
these
other
kind
of
additions
that
we
see
and
in
those
cases
you
know
it
asks
to
be
to
the
side
or
the
rear
and
or
certainly
set
back
from
the
face
of
the
the
principal
facade.
A
But
it's
it.
It
doesn't
really
speak
to
outdoor
dining,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
a
void
there.
So
we
don't
have
the
best
guidance
from
the
guidelines
that
same
section
talks
about
not
covering
up
the
facade,
but
I
think
they're
talking
mostly
about
renovations
and
not
these
kinds
of
additions.
A
So
that's
kind
of
the
request
it
is.
It
does
meet
the
definition
of
a
major
work,
so
it
will
be
required
review
by
the
design
review
committee.
It
is
scheduled
for
next
week's
meeting
before
the
design
review
committee
and
after
that
step
it
will
require
an
amendment
to
the
original
conditional
zoning.
A
So
there
is
some
opportunity
to
kind
of
look
at
how
this
might
meet
certain
city
goals
or
how
consistent
it
is
with
the
original
plan.
So
there
can
be
opportunity
for
a
little
bit
more
of
an
in-depth
analysis
as
to
how
this
affects
our
streetscape
or
the
building
itself,
but
that
hasn't
really
been
performed
just
yet.
So
we're
just
very
interested
in
the
commission's
feedback.
A
C
I
thought
these
people
were
proud
of
this
building.
I
don't
know
why
they
need
to
do
this.
They
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
square
footage
inside
for
dining
as
a
pandamic
as
a
pandemic
adaptation.
C
This
might
have
been,
I
think,
okay
on
a
temporary
basis,
but
I
think
it's
ugly
as
sin,
and
I
I
didn't
realize
we
had
such
a
loophole
for
first
floor
construction
for
grounds
story,
construction
and
also
I
just
I
kind
of
don't
exactly
trust
the
applicant
terribly
much,
because
we've
had
some
interesting
public
space
issues
out
of
this
applicant
in
the
past.
C
I
know
they're
getting
some
of
the
the
while
the
the
structure
might
go
to
the
property
line,
they've
fenced
off
public
area
in
front
of
that
already,
and
that
I
remember
that
that
was
that
didn't
seem
to
be
the
deal
we
were
getting
when
this
initially
went
through
and
just
like
a
couple.
Just
there's
been
a
couple
things
about
this
applicant
and
their
relationship
with
the
city
in
public
space,
and
then
they
want
to
make
that
they
want
to
add
this
ugly
thing.
C
I
I
think
this
is.
I
think
that
I.
D
H
This
is
sage
I'll
I'll.
Just
add,
I'm
also
not
a
fan.
I
mean,
I
understand
what
the
developer
is
trying
to
do
here
and
the
pandemic
has
created
different
needs
for
outdoor
dining
and
safety.
But
you
know
when
the
art
museum
across
the
street
was
envisioning
their
new
site.
It
was
about
being
open.
Almost
like
a
plaza.
You
know
we
look
across
this
entire
intersection
and
it
it
is
meant
to
feel
like
the
center
of
town
plaza
ish
this.
This
doesn't
emote
that
for
me
it
feels
separated.
H
I
don't
want
to
say
that
it
is
ugly
but
aesthetically.
I
don't
think
it
goes
well
with
the
building
itself.
I'm
not
a
fan.
I
like
the
openness.
D
Thanks,
I
go
back
to
my
lighting
thing
right.
So
currently
this
building
has
pretty
ample
lighting
at
night.
It's
very
vibrant,
no
risk
of
people
of
all
different
skin
tones
being
seen
or
mistaken.
For
anything,
do
we
know
from
staff
or
anything
how
the
pergolas
will
actually
directly
impact
the
ability
for
visibility
and
just
safety
again?
Do
we
know
any
of
that,
or
is
this
just
about?
D
You
know
adding
pergolas,
and
then
it
doesn't
have
any
impact
on
how
do
pergolas
have
change
impact
on
ada
needs?
I
I
don't
know
like.
I
ask
a
lot
of
questions
that
are
probably
wrong,
but
I
don't
know
the
visibility
issue
and
the
the
pergola
ada
requirements.
How
do
what
is
that
about
thanks.
A
So
I,
if
I
could
just
respond
to
ms
hunter,
so
interestingly,
we
have
a
separate
issue
related
to
this
project
related
to
their
lighting,
not
so
much
the
lighting
at
the
ground
plane,
but
they
have
these
very
bright
up.
Flood
lights,
that
kind
of
wash
up
the
building,
and
these
have
been
identified
as
non-compliant
from
the
very
beginning
of
the
project,
and
we've
been
waiting
for
the
applicant
to
find
another
solution.
A
B
B
As
you
enter
the
main
door,
you
could
go
right
or
left
to
go
into
the
pergola
and
you
could
come
in
from
the
inside,
so
I
think
they
probably
got
that
covered,
but
they
would
have
to
meet.
This
would
have
to
be
fully
accessible
in
order
to
provide.
When
you
provide
a
different
kind
of
space,
you
have
to
provide
reasonable
accommodation
for
each
type
of
space.
You
provide
so.
B
C
D
B
I'm
glad
you
pulled
that
up,
shannon,
because
when
I
was
hit
him,
I
wanted
to
look
across
the
street
too.
Well,
we'll
just
note
that
they
have
to
meet
ada,
that
that's
going
to
be
a
building
safety
requirement
and
as
well
as
a
landscaping
requirement
and
that's
something
that
we
can
look
at
with
the
the
public
works
we'll
be
looking
at
as
well
as
building
safety.
A
It
does
I
I
thought
I
remembered
this
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
pull
this
up
and
look
at
it
is
that
you
know
there
is
this
sort
of
at-grade
threshold,
but
of
course
it's
been
fenced
off
as
a
result
of
this,
so
it
does
look
like
the
only
access
are
these
stairs
which
would
not
be
accessible
so.
D
No,
that's
the
only
reason
why
I
brought
it
up
because,
right
now
it
seems
like
it's
not
in
compliance.
So
again,
I'm
not
the
compliance
police.
Everybody
here
knows
more
than
me,
but
the
two
things
that
matter
to
me
a
lot
are
lighting
and
ada.
So
this
actually
already
seems
like
it's
in
the
wrong
just
bringing
it
up.
M
Three
quick
things:
one
is
in
the
image
that
we're
looking
at
now
there
is
a
at-grade
accessible
entry.
It's
a
gate.
There's
two
planters
directly
in
the
center
of
the
screen:
that's
an
operable,
accessible
entry.
I
would
just
like
to
make
I
I'm
assuming
there's
not
a
representative
from
the
development
team
on
here.
I'd
just
like
to
make
a
recommendation.
When
this
comes
before
design
review,
it
would
be
really
good
if
we
could
have
a
closer
look
at
materials.
It
looks
like
there's
some
design
detailing
going
in
this
thing.
M
That
would
be
interesting,
but
it's
hard
to
see
on
the
images
that
have
been
provided
in
addition
to
like
just
the
view
that
shannon
has
brought
up
here.
It
would
be
great
if
we
could
just
see
it
sketched
in
a
real
life
view
for
that
upcoming
meeting.
The
third
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
again
was
what
something
that
shannon
mentioned
about
lighting.
M
I
just
have
lost
confidence
in
the
developers,
concerns
about
how
this
the
lighting
of
this
building
impacts,
downtown,
really
evidenced
by
how
they
approached
the
lighting
of
the
public
art
feature
at
the
intersection
of
lexington
and
patton.
There
was
no
forethought
at
all
and
I
could
go
into
great
detail
about
that
about
how
they've
had
tried
to
rectify
that
kind
of
a
hawk
ad
attitude
towards
it.
But
I
just
would
love
to
see
that
rectified
as
a
part
of
this.
M
C
Yeah,
I
just
I
guess
that
when
you
guys
could
take
this
to
design
review,
I.
C
Them
why
they're
putting
a
little
tykes
hood
ornament
on
a
ferrari,
this
plastic
pergola
just
doesn't
seem
to
match
at
all.
The
other
question
I
have
is:
what
is
the
process
on
modifying
that
cz
like
well,
I,
this
is
something
I
don't
think
has
come
up
for
me
before
usually
pretty
pretty
solid
on
my
on
my
zoning
and
processes,
but
this
one
I'm
not
sure
about.
So
what?
How
does
that?
How
does
that
amended?
Cz
go.
A
It
pretty
much
follows
the
same
process
as
a
cz.
Occasionally,
depending
on
what
the
amendment
is,
we
can
skip
technical
review.
I
think
in
this
case
we
wouldn't
be
skipping
technical
review
because
it's
it
has
some
technical
aspects
to
it.
So
it'll
probably
go
through
the
whole
process,
so
it'll
go
to
after
doing
design,
review
it'll
go
to
technical
review
planning
and
zoning
commission
city
council
and
then,
if
it's
a
private
council
goes
back
to
technical
review
for
any
final
details
for
construction
permitting.
B
And
I
would
like
to
just
note
real
quick
that
what
might
have
been
allowed
and
and
might
be
appropriate
for
if
you
could
back
up
shannon
in
your
view
and
look
across
the
the
intersection
where
you
capture
the
corner
of
the
aeris
building
and
then
the
two
canopies
for
the
noodle
shop
and
bomba,
you
know
what's
appropriate
for
for
those
yeah
is
not
appropriate
for
this
building
and
I
would
actually
say
that
I'm
really
not
real
keen
on
those
either
and
when
we
get
to
design
review.
B
What
I'm
going
to
push
them
to
do
is
that
it
it
either
needs
to
be
a
completely
temporary
structure
or
it
needs
to
be
part
of
the
building,
and
this
little
kind
of
rinky
dink
pretend
thing
that
that's
not
doing
either
is
not
doing
it
very
well.
So
are
there
any?
Oh
stephen
lee's
got
his
hand
up,
go
ahead.
M
I
just
had
one
quick
perspective
from
the
business
point
of
view.
What
in
concept
this
would
allow
for
is
during
inclement
weather.
This
would
allow
for
outdoor
dining
that
exists
during
nice
weather.
So
we've
got
a
restaurant
that
stays
busy.
We've
got
cooking
staff.
Chefs
managers
wait
staff
that
stay
busy
visitors
and
residents
of
asheville
still
having
a
place
to
enjoy
dining.
So
from
a
business
perspective.
M
I
think
that's
important
to
realize
where
they're
coming
from
on
this
thanks.
B
It
it
it
is,
but
they've
got
existing
canopies
that
are
integrated
with
the
building
that
are,
you
know,
looks
like
you
could
modify
something
like
that
to
get
the
kind
of
cover
they're
looking
for
without
without
this
little
tacked
on
thing,
but
that's
a
that's
a
separate
issue
that
we
can
discuss.
So
any
other
comments
regarding
this
that
we
need
to
pass
along
three.
You
know
those
of
us
who
are
on
the
design
review.
B
I've
been
taking
notes,
I'm
sure
robin
kimmy
and
steven
have
as
well,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
we
address
your
your
your
questions
and
comments
directly
to
the
applicant
when
we
meet
with
them
sage,
and
then
oh
ricardo
and
then
sage
carter
gets
his
first
comment.
Let's
go.
L
Thank
you
I
just
wanted
to
yeah.
I
mean
that
back
up
what
everybody's
saying
this
is
it's
very
disappointing
andrew's
point
about
this.
You
know
this
would
have
been
great.
You
know
during
the
pandemic
is
spot
on.
This
is
exactly
what
it
looks
like
you
know.
It
looks
like
a
temporary
structure
that
a
nicer
temporary
structure
that
they're
putting
out
for
the
pandemic-
I
you
know
I
saw
that
all
over
annapolis.
They
were
doing
that.
This
building
has
a
you
know.
It
really
is
a
nice
building.
It
has
this.
L
L
As
far
as
the
ada
I
yeah,
I
I
don't
they're
they're,
not
really
modifying
anything
that
that's
already
there.
You
know
the
the
access
is
still
there
they're.
Not.
I
don't.
I
don't
see
any
issues
with
that,
but
to
your
to
your
point,
brian
about
if
they're,
if
they're
going
to
do
this
as
a
if
it's
going
to
be
approved
as
a
temporary
structure,
I
think
it
should
be
made
clear
that
a
temporary
structure
means
something
that's
removable
and
does
get
removed.
L
You
know
so
they
don't
they
don't
go
put
it
up
and
then
they
say
oh
yeah.
Well
you
know
it's
removable,
but
then
they
never
do
but
yeah
you
know
I
I
I
I'm.
I
definitely
agree
with
everything
that
that's
being
said.
It
really
does
look
like
a
very
temporary
thing
on
what
is
otherwise
a
nice
building
and
it's
a
huge
waste
of
an
opportunity.
L
H
I
just
wanted
to
share
a
little
thought
about
you
know.
I
know
this
changed
to
design
review
board,
reviewing
projects
and
being
like
the
authoritative
review
body
was
a
bit
of
a
change,
but
it
has
led
us
on
this
commission
to
have
really
more
diverse
discussions
about
impacts.
So,
like
all
the
discussions
today
were
great
and
I'm
thinking
about
how
I
know
what
I'm
hearing
is
concern
that
we
still
have
some
of
these
hotel
or
uses
getting
through
before
things
change.
H
So
I
will
kind
of
wrap
up
everything
that
happened
today
and
send
it
to
council
just
so.
They
know
that
this
happened.
I
feel,
like
you
know,
without
this
going
to
their
review,
it
may
not
even
or
being
in
a
paper
it
may
not
even
cross
their
plate.
So
I'll
do
that
and
if
there's
other
things
that
you
know,
we
notice
in
these
impact
discussions
that
we
want
me
to
kind
of
carry
forward
to
council.
H
B
Thank
you
kimmy
and
then
andrew
and
then
we're
going
to
wrap
up
discussion
and
move
on.
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
this
gently,
so
I
recognize
that
ada
requirements
and
what's
lawful
is
very
different
than
what's
useful,
and
I
want
to
just
continue
to
amplify
that
when
buildings
are
approved
to
meet
those
guidelines
and
then
additions
are
made
and
modifications
are
made
that
further
create
indoor
spaces
where
those
with
physical
differences
and
other
types
of
differences
may
have
a
larger
challenge
of
getting
out
safely.
D
If
and
when,
there's
an
emergency,
I
think
how
we
look
at
that
again.
I've
said
this
before,
but
I
really
think
post
verona
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
people
with
invisible
differences
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we're
a
city.
That's
going
to
be
ahead
of
all
that.
I
can't
say
that,
but
I
would
like
to
think
with
the
way
that
we
operate
in
our
town
and
how
inclusive
and
thoughtful
we
are
that
we
would
actually
be
considering
those
things,
and
so
I
recognize
again
that
there
are
guidelines
and
stipulations
that
are
ada.
D
Everybody
has
to
follow
them
as
a
gc
and
otherwise,
but
they
are
not
actually
what
people
need
in
terms
of
function.
So
I
do
want
to
highlight
when
I
look
at
this
building
and
I
look
at
the
proposal
and
how
they're
basically
creating
more
inside
space
outdoors
and
there's
fewer
ways
for
someone
with
the
physical
difference
or
a
different
type
of
difference,
to
see
their
way
out.
It
actually
looks
very
dangerous
to
me,
but
I
have
a
different
lens
and
I
just
want
to
name
that.
Thank
you.
B
Very
good
to
point
out
with
that,
one
of
the
things
kimmy
is
pointing
out
is
that,
as
a
abled
person,
I
can
just
walk
up
the
steps
and
walk
down
the
steps
and
it's
clear
where
I'm
supposed
to
go
and
as
a
if
you.
If
you
are
not
able
to
do
that,
it's
not
as
clear
to
know
that
that
is
a
gate
and
that
you're
supposed
to
go
over
to
the
side
and
go
out.
And
so
I
would
actually
advise.
If
this
was
my
client.
B
I
would
advise
them
that
they
have
not
provided
reasonable
accommodation
and
that
they
were
in
danger,
regardless
of
whether
it
meets
the
letter
of
the
co
of
the
of
the
ada.
I
don't
think
it
meets
the
intent,
the
spirit,
and
I
think
that's
what
one
of
the
things
kimmy's
pointing
out
andrew
go
ahead.
C
Yeah
just
one
last
thing,
I
know
this
has
got
a
lot
of
steps
in
review
yet
to
happen
after
this,
and
I
just
want
to
encourage
everybody
that
is
going
to
be
looking
at
this
from
the
staff
side
from
the
design
review
side
to
mind
your
p's
and
q's,
because
this
this
I've
seen
this
particular
applicant
drive
a
truck
through
loopholes
and
to
and
really
undermine
what
seems
to
be
the
intention
of
policies
put
in
place
with
their
seeming
cooperation
and
so
that
that
goes
on
at
least
two
corners
of
the
public
party
side
of
this
property
and
and
with
the
lighting
and
having
spoken
to
decision
makers
that
have
been
involved
in
this
in
the
past
know
that
they
didn't
exactly
get
what
they
thought
they
were
getting.
M
M
K
A
We
we
can't,
we
can't
stop
them
from
pursuing
other
permit
applications.
We've
explored
this
with
other
enforcement
cases
in
the
past.
A
We
can,
however,
issue
enforcement
action
and
we
haven't
only
because
for
the
for
a
very
long
time
we
were
up,
we
were
holding
their
co
thinking
that
that
would
be
the
motivation
that
they
needed
to
correct
it.
And
when
that
didn't
happen,
we,
then
this
conversation
came
up
and
recognizing
that
it's
a
cz,
we
were
going
to
kind
of
identify
this
enforcement
concern,
and
we
just
met
yesterday
to
talk
about
that
aspect
of
this
conditional
zoning
amendment
request.
A
B
B
A
B
It
never
works
for
me,
so
there
you
go
all
right.
Thank
you,
everyone
that
was
a
good
discussion.
Let's
move
on
to
pro
development
project
updates,
123
haywood
street.
I
Shannon
well
I'll
start,
we
thought
we
may
have
updated
renderings
to
share
and
we
don't
today,
but
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
all
are
aware
that
both
of
these
projects
are
going
to
the
design
review
committee
next
week
on
thursday.
So
we
just
encourage
you
if
you
have
additional
comments
that
you
want
to.
You
know
talk
with
your
design
review
committee
reps
about
or
just
to
tune
into
that
meeting
to
see
how
those
projects
happen.
B
So
when
those
go
out
to
us,
do
the
is
it
possible
for
the
dtc
to
get
those
materials
so
that
they
can
forward
any
comments
to
us
prior
to
the
meeting.
A
B
That
way,
if
anyone
who
is
not
a
member
of
the
design
review,
has
comments,
please
send
those
to
us
we'll
incorporate
those
as
public
comments
and
make
sure
they
get
noted
during
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
A
And
both
of
these
projects
were
continued
from
the
last
drc
meeting.
They
both
had
their
formal
reviews
last
month
and
that
the
drc
was
not
prepared
to
approve
them
so
continued
them
to
this
month.
You
know
to
allow
for
more
discussion
and
further
exploration,
so
so,
hopefully
we'll
see
some
some
important
improvements.
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Okay.
Then
we
will
move
on
to
the
discussion
regarding
our
annual
report.
So
hopefully
everyone
has
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
annual
report.
We
have
a.
B
I
just
saw
someone's
in
the
document
as
anonymous
unicorn
and
now
I'm
completely
distracted.
So
the
we
have
a
a
kind
of
one-page
summary
or
a
short
summary
in
your
report
and
then
a
longer.
B
Thank
you
a
longer
annual
report
regarding
what
we've
been
working
on,
and
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
sending
in
and
if
you
are
basically
in
favor
of
what
is
written
to
date
regarding
our
accomplishments,
our
policy
recommendations,
potential
budget
impact
and
goals,
and
then
we
can
discuss
briefly
our
upcoming
goals.
I
would
like
to
do
that
now
and
take
a
vote
on
that
in
the
next.
B
You
know
15
20
minutes,
but
if
it
looks
like
our
discussion
is
not
going
to
allow
us
to
do
that,
then
we
will
try
to
schedule
another
meeting,
maybe
even
as
early
as
next
week.
I
think
it
has
to
be
in
the
next
couple
weeks
go
ahead.
Dana.
B
June
30th,
we
wouldn't
even
be
worried
about
it.
I'd
be
procrastinating
for
months,
yeah,
so
yeah.
We
we
just
have
to
send
this
to
council.
So,
first
of
all,
regarding
policy
recommendations,
we
don't
have
to
make.
B
So
this
is
a
the
draft
report
that
we
would
send
and
then
there
is
a
accompanying
document
which
would
go
into
further
detail
regarding
our
activities
and
some
of
the
projects
that
we've
looked
at,
and
you
know
just
going
into
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
this
would
be
the
actual
document
that
council
would
refer
to.
So
we've
got
our
our
accomplishments.
Regarding
some
of
the
the
the
policy
recommendations,
we've
provided
input
on
different
different
projects.
B
One
of
the
main,
obviously
things
that
we
did
last
year
is
regarding
the
design,
review,
composition
and
the
udo
changes.
Regarding
that
we
did
do
a
fair
amount
of
work:
pedestrian
first,
okay,
thank
you,
ruth
we'll
put
that
in
and
then
so.
B
That's
accomplishments
reads:
pretty
pretty
quickly
policy
recommendations,
so
one
I
need
to
know
if
we
want
to
make
a
focused
policy
recommendation
to
counsel
as
part
of
this
report,
so
I'll
just
I'll
just
stop
there
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
on
what
we
want
to
do
for
policy
recommendations.
B
For
for
me,
one
of
the
the
policy
recommendations
I
would
make,
and
that
would
go
in
with
both
potential
budget
and
upcoming
goals-
would
be
that
the
council
fund
a
consultant
to
update
our
design
guidelines,
and
that
would
be
the
potential
budgetary
impact
and
our
upcoming
goal
would
be
to
work
with
the
consultants
on
those
design
guidelines
on
the
policies,
initiatives
and
and
how
all
that
works
together,
but
I'll
open
there
sage
was
nodding,
already
go
ahead.
H
Well
in
previous
years,
so
first
I
agree
in
previous
years.
There
was
an
attempt
to
partner
with
the
riverfront
commission
as
well
to
suggest
that
both
the
riverfront
and
downtown
be
updated
at
the
same
time
and
somewhat
by
the
same
firm.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
you
wanted
to.
I
also
am
the
liaison
to
that
and
well
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
the
chair,
but
it
was
a
two
letters
and
two
recommendations
last
time
to
cancel
that.
C
Yeah,
I
was,
I
was
gonna,
suggest,
design
review
and
also
just
downtown
master
plan,
we're
at
13
we're
at
the
13-year
point.
I
think
now
on
our
downtown
master
plan
and
it's
aged
and
dated
and
its
usefulness
is
decreasing,
as
our
built
reality
far
exceeds
what
that
was.
That
was
looking
at
so
I'd.
I
would
love
to
see
a
budget
allocation
for
downtown
master
plan
update
along
with
design
review,
probably
two
pieces
that
work.
C
And
the
other
thing
is,
I
would
love
to
see
budget
allocation
for
programming
in
downtown,
so
whether
that's
what
the
city
is
doing
from
the
city
staff
side
or
whether
that
means
they're
partnering
with
another
organization,
but
I
would
really
love
to
see
budget
allocation
for
dedicated
to
programming
and
that
can
be-
and
that
can
possibly
be
part
of
the
shared
streets
and
open
streets
initiatives
to
do
things
like
you
know,
like
a
weekly
market
or
to
be
able
to
better
leverage,
this
the
the
seat
of
hope,
pit
of
despair
or
things
like
that.
C
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
my
primary
recommendation
is
that
whatever
we
choose
to
do
really
provides
specificity
towards
the
arp
funds,
I
think
we're
in
a
you
know
window
where
our
cities
received
some
arp
funds
that
you
know
could
go
towards
multimodal
or
some
other
things
that
actually
can
amplify
the
work
being
done.
D
I
understand,
and
I
would
agree
with
udo
and
and
all
of
that
being
done,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
meets
really
some
clear
criteria
for
how
those
funds
need
to
be
used,
and
so
I
would
really
get
more
strategic
and
say:
let's
look
at
multimodal,
let's
look
at
public
spaces
and
how
that's
how
we
can
target
funding
towards
those
who
have
been
most
disenfranchised
and
impacted
by
the
rona.
I
think
we're
gonna
see
more.
I
think
we
get
more
bang
for
our
buck
so
to
speak.
B
Well,
it
was
brilliant
now
I
can't
remember
it
kimmy,
so
you're
you're,
asking
that
when
we
identify
the
budgetary
impact
of
our
goal,
that
we
specifically
tie
update
to
the
downtown
master
plan,
coinciding
with
probably
how
this
works,
with
the
comprehensive
plan
update
to
design
guidelines
for
downtown
and
riverfront
that
we
tie
that
in
with
all
the
other
work
we're
doing
with
multimodal
public
spaces
shared
streets
as
part
of
the
the
the
american
rescue
plan,
funds
is.
D
That
I'm
just
saying
I'm
I'm
not
saying
it
has
to
be
all
of
that,
because
that's
intense,
but
I
am
saying
that
to
just
all
of
us
say
what
we
think
and
not
really
put
that
kind
of
tie
bow
around
it.
It's
it's
arbitrary.
I
think
we
need
to
be
really
strategic
about
what
it
is
we're
trying
to
accomplish
this
year
and
how
the
arp
funds
will
really
connect
it
to
the
primary
goal
that
the
city
has
in
general.
B
Thank
you
appreciate
that
they
were
hands
up
and
then
they
went
down.
I'm
sorry
did
I
miss
somebody,
say
megan
yeah
there
you
go
go
ahead.
Sage.
H
It's
kind
of
a
non-sequitur,
but
also
tied
to
what
kimberly
just
said.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
you
all
knew
that
their
the
arpa
asks
are
coming
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
presentations
in
february
one
and
two,
but
there
is
a
request
for
a
shuttle
between
the
river
and
downtown.
So
if
y'all
as
a
commission,
want
to
take
that
up,
I
don't
know
if
there's
time
to
your
next
meeting,
I
assume
there
would
be
to
discuss
and
if
there's
a
recommendation
or
anything
I
don't
know
if
y'all
knew
that
was
out
there.
D
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
layer
of
support
to
the
programming
recommendation
as
an
organization
that
does
a
lot
of
programming
within
downtown.
There
are
some
changes
that
are
most
likely
coming
in
2023.
That
will
impact
current
programs,
and
so
I
think,
getting
ahead
of
that
could
be
very
helpful
in
making
sure
that
some
of
these
programs
and
activities
are
able
to
continue
on
and
then
I'm
also
just
curious.
If
someone
can
answer,
when
is
the
last
time
the
design
guidelines
were
updated.
H
B
Yeah,
so
the
the
original
ones
were
written
in
the
late
90s
early,
2000s
and
then
alan
and
glenn's,
and
we
were
working
on
that
and
like
right
right
when
the
master
plan
was
being
written
but
before
the
comprehensive
plan
and
there
are
gaps-
and
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
that.
B
Just
it's
as
a
as
a
designer,
both
trying
to
meet
that
the
the
recommendations
aren't
always
complete
and
then,
as
as
as
our
poor
staff
trying
to
meet
with
designers
and
then
as
a
design
review
board
trying
to
apply
these
things,
we
need.
We
need
better
documents
and
better
intent
described,
go
ahead.
Gio.
G
I
thought
that
was
a
very
really
a
good
discussion
that
we
had
initially
and
as
we
go
into
the
rest
of
the
year
that
we,
I
think,
the
goals,
the
shared
goals
that
we
that
came
out
of
that
meeting
are
important
to
follow
up
on
it.
B
I
didn't
really
know
where
to
put
this:
we
put
it
after
the
annual
report
because
it's
part
of
what
we're
talking
about
right
now
and
we
wanted
to
settle
on
the
goals
and
stuff,
but
that
is
that
is
part
of
it.
And
thank
you.
You.
C
Yeah
I
I
really
appreciated
working
with
multimodal,
so
I
would
suggest
that
that
a
a
meeting,
a
full
meeting
between
our
bodies
happen
annually
and
then
I,
but
I
think
that
the
public
space
management
is
going
to
be
a
useful
organ
for
having
members
from
both
committees
work
together.
So
I
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
next,
so
I
think
that
that
is
going
to
be
the
the
main
way
that
we're
functioning
together
is
around
public
space
management.
C
I
think
the
venn
diagram
makes
most
sense
right
there
for
us,
but
an
annual
meeting
of
the
of
the
like
we
did
in
december
of
everyone
together,
I
think,
is
a
a
great
idea.
The
one
thing
I'd
like
to
tack
on
to
my
suggestion
about
programming
is
that
I'd
like
to
see
it
focused
on
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
like
downtown
festivals
and
things
like
chow,
chow
and
such,
and
they
tend
to
get
all
the.
C
I
think
the
goals
of
I
think
our
programming
budget
here
should
be
to
try
to
create
opportunities
for
people
who
aren't
currently
in
downtown
to
come
to
downtown,
whether
that's
like,
in
those
cases
like
a
farmer's
market
or
an
art
market,
or
things
like
things
like
that,
so
to
create
sort
of
entrepreneurial
opportunities,
not
just
to
like
create
a
festival
that
benefits
the
people
who
have
sort
of
the
money
to
program
their
own
activities.
C
So
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'd
like
to
see.
If
we're
going
to
spend
public
funds
on
it.
Let's
try
to
do
some
things
that
aren't
happening
benefit
some
people
who
aren't
being
benefited
and
I
think
that'll
have
so.
I
think
that's
we'll
have
really
equitable
outcomes.
If
we
wanted
to
have
the
potential
for
that
and
yeah.
So
that's
that's.
I
would
like
to
kind
of
focus
that
programming
a
little
more
than
just
say:
hey,
throw
some
money
at
it.
B
Pretty
good
kimmy
go
ahead.
D
Yeah
andrew,
I
appreciate
what
you
said.
I
think
it
just
again
comes
back
to
why
I'm
gonna
harp
on
multimodal
public
transportation
and
like
public
space
as
being
like
super
critical
in
that
component,
whether
it's
festivals
or
bringing
people
downtown.
I
think
that
local
focus
who's
been
highly
impacted.
D
You
know
making
sure
that
we're
tying
into
arpa
funds
just
for
this
year.
I
think
we
have
to
be
micro,
hyper
focused
so
that
we
can
get
the
highest
outcomes
and,
to
me
that's
part
of
the
way
we're
going
to
do
it.
I'm
going
to
be
really
frank
as
much
as
I
want
the
downtown
master
plan
updated
and
the
udo
updated
as
well.
H
B
C
Yeah
kimmy,
I
hear
you
about
not
wanting
to
spread
too
far
afield,
but
you
know
we're
you
know
with
all
these
large
valuations
of
tax
money,
hotels.
C
We
know
that
downtown
is
more
than
paying
for
itself,
and
I
so
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
kimmy,
but
I
I
think
we
can
do
all
this
and
more
if
we
want
to,
but
that's
if
we
want
to
make
sure
that
downtown
is
investing
in
itself.
Historically,
we've
let
downtown
sort
of
subsidize
the
rest
of
town
as
far
as
like
the
tax
values
and
things
like
that,
and
we
haven't
really:
we've
done
minimal
investment,
usually
just
around
major
infrastructure
projects
like
haywood
street.
You
know
where
that
was
an
opportunity
really
from
msd.
C
It
really
wasn't
a
city
driven.
It
was
the
city
sort
of
followed
on
that
and
I
love
what
how
haywood
street
worked
out.
But
I
would
love
to
see
the
city
lead
on
this
and
we
know
that
the
we
know
that
downtown
is
more
than
paying
for
itself.
So
I
think
we
can
do
all.
I
think
we
can
do
all
this
stuff
and
and
and
have
money
left
over.
H
I
think
that
I
think
haywood
street
was
the
one
thing
that
downtown
got
out
of
the
bonds,
if
I
recall,
isn't
that
right,
yeah
and
that
was
the
last
big
investment.
It's
a
good
point
saying
to
the
asheville
downtown
association,
the
other
board.
I
sit
on
that.
You
know
what
happens
in
downtown
when
you
know
who
are
the
leaders,
it's
this
body
of
casual
downtown
association.
You
know
this
is.
B
Well,
let
me
ask
a
question:
we've
got
roughly
10
minutes
left
on
before
I
start
pushing
you
folks
over
time,
are
we
going
to
reach
a
a
reasonable
resolution
of
something
that
we
can
vote
to
approve
to
send
to
them
regarding
policy
recommendations
and
and
or
do
we
need
to
table
this
discussion
and
have
a
30
or
40
minute
meeting,
try
to
we'll
send
out
a
poll
and
try
to
get
some
times
over
the
next
week
week
and
a
half
where
we
can
reconvene
and
and
hash
this
out?
I
You
know
I
pulled
the
language
like
pasted
in
what
we
had
recommended
last
year,
one
of
the
pieces
and
I
feel
like
we
can
work
in
some
of
the
other
recommendations,
probably
into
that
statement,
and
then
so
I
do
want
us
to
think
about
what
is
being
recommended
to
city
council
and
then
also
what
the
commission
wants
to
work
on
in
the
year
ahead
as
kind
of
two
separate
and
they
can
be
related,
but
I
think
the
public
space
management
work
and
once
we
get
through
this,
we'll
talk
about
the
reboot
of
that
committee.
I
I
think
there's
really
good
opportunities
there
to
work
on
a
lot
of
the
things
that
that
you
guys
have
brought
up.
So
there
could
be
related
recommendations
to
council,
but
that
group
could
help
inform
you
know
what
the
city's
approach
to
shared
streets
in
the
year
ahead
and
improvements
to
how
public
spaces
are
managed
so
that
they
can
be
more
accessible.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
good
stuff
that
we
can
get
into
and
the
way
that
group
will
be
set
up
is
to
include
involvement
from
a
multimodal
as
well.
I
So
I
think
that
I'm
feeling
and
hearing
that
theme,
as
kind
of
something
the
downtown
commission
is
really
interested
in
digging
into
and
working
on
in
the
year
ahead.
So
so
I
think
that's
great.
I
think
that
seems
like
a
good
theme,
but
then
yeah
just
revisiting
the
council
recommendations,
and
maybe
we
can
get
this
language
where
it
needs
to
be
well.
B
I
think
the
language
for
the
design
guidelines
it
it
says,
fund,
downtown
master
plan,
update
specifically
regarding
public
space
management
involved,
the
downtown
commission,
outreach
and
oversight,
and
then
talks
about
the
design
guidelines
for
downtown
and
the
riverfront.
That
was
good
language.
I'm
I'm!
Let's
go.
I
think
that
actually
and
then
leaving
the
the
you
know
we
want.
We
want
to
focus
on.
B
I
don't
know
if
these
are
two
different
things
right
now
they
are
arpa
multimodal
public
spaces
and
programming
for
for
shared
streets
in
68
haywood.
B
I
think
those
are
three
policy
recommendations.
We
probably
need
to
flesh
out
the
language
on
what
we
mean
by
programming
and
what
we
mean
by
focusing
the
the
arpa.
You
know
asking
council
to
look
at
what
they're
doing
for
multimodal
public
spaces
with
arpa,
but
I'm
fine.
B
I
would
vote
for
that
right
now
and
then
and
then
move
forward
from
those
policy
recommendations
into
our
goals.
Anyone
have
any
objections
so
far
to
kind
of
the
direction
we're
going
other
than
kimmy's
continued
admonition
to
focus
focus.
Focus.
I
hear
you
yes,
ma'am
dana
go
ahead.
I
I
appreciate
how
you
framed,
maybe
council
prioritizing
public
aspects
of
public
space
and
multimodal
improvements
in
the
arpa
fund
allocation.
I
just
do
want
to
note
that
the
city
has
started.
I
As
far
as
I
know,
there
won't
be
new
opportunities
to
apply
for
new
projects,
but
staff
has
submitted
proposals
specifically
one
to
transition
the
temporary
outdoor
expansion
program
into
long-term
programs,
and
so
that
one's
definitely
related.
And
you
know
a
public
restroom
is
being
proposed
in
downtown.
So
there
are
some
things
that
I
think
relate
to
public
space,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
folks
are
aware
that
there
will.
As
far
as
I
know,
there
won't
be
new
opportunities.
D
C
Yeah,
I'm
I
feel
comfortable
with
this.
I
guess
I
just
would
ask
our
our
council
liaison,
like
is
when
it
comes
to
budget
time,
and
you
got
to
go
to
bat
for
these
needs.
Is
this?
Do
you?
What
do
you
need
from
us
as
far
as
making
an
effective
ask,
because
I
don't
if
we
don't
need
to
spend
more
time
on
this,
then
I'll
make
a
motion
right
now,
but
if
sage
thinks
that
we
need
to
punch
this
up
a
little
bit,
then
you
know
I'll.
Take
that
advice.
H
I
think
things
to
consider
are
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
boards
and
commissions
with
their
ass,
so
being
concise,
clear
focused,
I
think,
is
always
good
being
explicit
in
the
ass
I
mean,
I
think
this.
This
is
fine.
I
think
they
expect
another
request
for
updated
guidelines
because
it
comes,
but
speaking
to
this
and
knowing
that
the
art
asks
are
out
there,
I
think,
is
important.
H
I'm
watching
you
type
yep,
no,
I
mean,
I
think,
andrea
to
your
question.
I
think
this
will
suffice.
I
do
and
I
think
that
if
there
are
10
asks-
or
you
know
it
just
gets
more
complicated
and
no
one
board
is
going
to
get
all
the
things
it's
just
a
lot
of
boards
and
a
lot
of
asks,
but
aligning
it
with
the
arpa
sounds
wise
partnering
with
the
river
front
commission
on
that
ask
again
sounds
like
it
would
be
helpful.
C
And
I
think,
as
far
as
upcoming
goals
it,
I
think
a
lot
of
it
depends
on
how
that
budget
allocation
goes.
I
mean,
if
like
if
we,
if
we
get
everything
we
ask
for,
we've,
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
as
a
downtown
commission,
and
if
we
don't,
then
you
know
we'll
we'll
have
to
fill
our
plate,
then.
So
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
hard
to
tell
what
our
upcoming
goals
are
going
to
be
before.
We
know
what
resources
we're
going
to
we're
getting,
what
we're
going
to
be
tasked
with.
H
D
I
I.
H
H
C
B
D
Yeah,
I'm
sorry.
I
spoke
on
a
turn,
so
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
amplify,
because
when
we
don't
have
continuing
goals
from
the
prior
year,
I
think
that's
stochastic
in
some
ways
and
diversity,
equity,
inclusion
and
those
priorities.
I
think
somehow
need
to
be
overlaid
in
here,
whether
that's
focusing
specifically
on
what
what
commissioner
fletcher
mentioned
about
the
equitable
entrepreneurial
opportunities
or
somewhere.
I
think
we
do
need
to
really
amplify
that.
Otherwise,
again
it's
just
noise
like
there's,
got
to
be
some
flow
and
also
some
specificity.
D
B
The
last
pair
and
the
policy
recommendations
that
last
sentence
in
the
downtown
master
plan
update,
says
design.
Guidelines
should
be
written
to
include
socially
economically
disadvantaged
community
members,
so
our
land
use
design
rules
and
processes
match
our
goals
and
challenges.
We
can
punch
that
up
a
little
bit.
I
think
that's
going
in
that
direction.
D
B
You
sage
go
ahead.
H
Just
real
quick
to
say
that
all
of
the
applicants
will
be
able
to
do
a
two-minute
presentation.
The
dates
are
february,
1st
and
2nd
from
11
to
1
and
10
to
12.
so
and
it
will
be
live
stream.
So
you
can
watch
that
if
you
want
to,
you
can
participate
then,
and
then
make
your
recommendation
after
that
to
counsel
knowing
which
projects
are
out
there.
B
And
so
right
now,
with
the
three
policy
recommendations
that
are
up
there,
the
potential
budget
impacts
would
be
really
leveraging.
Arpa
funds
is
not
really
a
either
a
staffing
or
a
a
budgetary
thing,
we're
just
seeing
how
how
we
focus
current
staff
and
current
time
on
in
in
our
time
as
well
on,
what's
already
in
the
pipeline,
the
the
two
items
that
would
have
budget
budget
impacts
would
be
the
master
plan,
design,
guideline
updates
and
the
programming
aspect
correct.
B
Okay,
and
we
don't
know
what
that
budget
impact
is.
I
think
it's
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
the
is
it
considered
major.
I
don't
know.
H
Well,
no,
it's
not
considered
major,
but
we
do
know.
We
had
some
estimates
in
previous
years.
So
for
the
guideline
updates,
we
had
some
money
estimated
programming,
you
know
maybe
megan
could
get
in
touch
with
me
around
some
suggestions.
Just
from
her
experience
of
programming,
downtown.
B
H
I
will
say
too:
as
far
as
programming
goes,
you
know,
we've
heard
it
referred
to
you
like
when
trying
to
better
understand
and
respond
to
some
of
the
changes
in
downtown
through
the
pandemic,
whether
it
be
you
know
more
folks
that
are
houseless
and
areas
or
trouble
with
parks
and
cleanliness
and
stuff
one
of
the
things
you
know,
there's
always
measures
you
can
do
to
come
on
the
back
side
of
that
and
respond
to
it.
H
But
there's
other
things
like
programming
that
help
launch
kind
of
things
to
be
more
attended
to
and
more
engaged
and
more
active
that
lend
to
cleanliness
and
different
types
of
experiences
downtown.
So
programming
is
more
of
a
planning
aspect
as
opposed
to
what
we've
been
doing,
which
is
responding
to
issues.
So
I
love
that
it
would
be
suggested.
B
B
Kind
of
have
a
a
document
here
that
I
think
somewhat
reflects
this
discussion
as
best
I
can
tell
so
far,
and
so
we
have
council
recommendations,
policy,
recommendations,
potential
budgetary
impact
and
upcoming
goals
listed.
We
can
work
on
that
a
little
bit,
but
if
this
cat,
I
think
we
need
to
work
on
the
language
a
little
bit
dana
and
I
can
work
on
that.
Make
sure
everybody
sees
it
before
we
send
it
out.
B
But
does
this
capture
a
a
a
consensus
view
so
far
of
what
we've
discussed
that
we
would
be
willing
to
vote
on
and
approve.
B
So
far,
so
good
is
someone
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
that
effect.
Besides
me,
I'll.
E
C
I
I
moved
to
adopt
the
downtown
commission
annual
report
as
presented.
B
That's
great,
thank
you,
so
I've
got
a
call
on
you,
even
though
you
made
the
motion
andrew
hi,.
B
Oh
for
this
yeah
yeah
sure
do
we
have.
A
Not
sure
you
don't,
but
I
just
didn't
know
for
items
for
which
you're
not
taking
you
were
taking
a
vote.
I
mean
I
guess.
Normally
we
take
public
comment
but.
B
We
do
thank
you.
We.
I
B
All
right,
thank
you,
but
but
I
appreciate
you
noting
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
andrew
was
I
kimmy.
Are
you
still
here?
Thank
you
steven
lee.
I
I
am
an
I
robin.
J
G
H
B
Very
good
the
eyes
have
it
that
passes.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
now
we'll
talk
about
the
public
space
management
committee
re-establishment.
Dana
is
that
you
perfect.
I
Yes,
thank
you
and
I'll
ask
andrew
to
chime
in
where
he'd
like
to
as
well,
but
as
I
hope
and
think
you
all
are
aware.
We
are
looking
at
restarting
this
public
space
management,
downtown
public
space
management
committee
that
have
previously
been
formed.
A
lot
of
work
was
done
in
2018
and
2019
and
we
have
some
resulting.
I
So
it's
a
perfect
time
to
get
the
group
back
together
and
and
see
if
the
framework
and
recommendations
still
are
aligned
with
the
things
that
we
see
that
need
improvements
in
downtown
and
and
work
together
to
advance
various
policies
or
programs
that
deal
with
downtown
public
space.
I
So
what
we've
done
is
revisited
the
representatives
that
were
previously
on
the
committee
we
had
the
downtown
commission
at
the
time
when
this
was
formed
was
really
intentional
about
making
sure
there
was
good
representation
of
different
folks
that
are
involved
in
in
different
ways
with
public
space,
and
so
we
have-
and
we
we
also
in
the
past,
not
to
say
this
group
is
going
to
be
20
25
people.
I
Also
thinking
it
could
be
a
good
idea
to
have
an
accessibility
advocate
or
expert
added
to
the
group
as
a
rep
as
a
as
one
of
the
representatives
so
wanted
to
see,
and
do
you
want
me?
I
know
you
have
these
in
front
of
you.
I
can
talk
through
each
if
that's
helpful.
I
I
So
there's
that
and
I'm
hoping
the
commission,
you
know
if
anyone
has
feedback
additions,
changes.
Let's
talk
about
that
and
hoping
that
we
could
move
forward,
but
I'll
just
real
quickly,
also
for
more
context,
discuss
what
we
see
this
committee
or
really,
I
think
it
kind
of
makes
sense
to
refer
to
it
as
a
task
force.
I
It's
it's
pretty
task
specific
at
this
point.
It
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
a
standing
committee,
although
it
could
be
if
that
makes
sense,
but
we're
looking
to
this
committee
to
help
review
the
public
space
management
framework
and
ultimately
work
with
us
to
finalize
that
as
part
of
that
framework,
there's
like
15
different
uses
of
public
space
and
different
recommendations
for
policy
and
programmatic
improvements.
I
You
know
what
needs
to
be
worked
on
first
and
then
we
are
excited
to
be
able
to
work
with
this
group
on
on
various
projects
and
initiatives
that
the
city
is
working
on,
that
relate
to
public
space
and
have
this
group
meet
on
an
ad
hoc
basis
to
to
review
those
things
and
to
provide
feedback
on
those
things.
I
C
Yeah
I'd
just
like
to
thanks
dana
for
the
work
you've
put
in
on
this,
and
you
know
where
we
left
off
before
the
pandemic
was
sort
of
this
logical,
stopping
point.
In
a
way
we
did
got
a
bunch
of
survey
results
in
and
then,
where
our
work
was
interrupted
and
we
learned
a
tremendous
amount
about
public
space
management.
C
I
think
during
the
pandemic
and
saw
some
ideas
and
saw
some
things
tried
that
that
I
was
really
excited
to
see
the
appetite
for,
and
so
a
lot
of
so
a
lot
of
views
change
on
how
to
use
public
space,
and
I
think
that
we're
in
a
really
interesting
place
now
to
to
move
forward,
and
I
sense
a
lot
as
a
good
amount
of
energy
from
the
folks
from
multimodal
that
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
and
as
far
as
my
fellow
commissioners
on
downtown.
C
If
you
look
at
this
list-
and
you
know
that
you
wear
a
bunch
of
these
hats-
please
volunteer-
you
know
we-
I
I
would
love
to
see.
Obviously
we
have
to
have
less
than
we
have
to
have
less
than
six
from
downtown
commission
because
of
quorum
rules,
but
if
you
know
that
you
wear
a
lot
of
hats,
please
volunteer.
I
will
ask
you
that
I
I
I
bring.
If
I
wear
a
few
of
these
hats,
busking
experience,
public
art
and
cultural
commission,
it's
kind
of
the
two
that
I
I
bring.
C
B
Perfect
so
we've
got
andrew
stephen
lee
megan
your
hands
up.
J
D
That's
funny,
I
have
to
say
that
I
am
tapped
out
in
my
time
lines
right
now,
but
I
know
you
guys
will
represent
well.
C
Thank
you
and
you
know,
if
it
can,
you
feel
free
if
you,
if
you
know,
feel
free
to
jump
in
as
an
observer
and
check
our
work
when,
as
you
get
the
time,
if
you
can't
officially
commit,
but
if
you
find
an
opening,
please
you're
welcome
your
your
input
is
welcome.
B
All
right
we've
got,
we've
got
four,
the
rest
of
you.
I
don't
see
anybody
jumping
in,
but
if
you,
if
you
think
about
it
a
little
bit
and
and
would
like
to
participate,
please
do
I
am
on
I'm
a
little
tapped
out.
Don't
I
don't
know
that
I
can
do
that
unless
vadiyah
gives
me
a
break
on
some
of
these
other
things?
Okay!
Well,
I
andrew
you.
Can
you
make
the
motion
since
you're
cheering
this
or
this?
Do
we
need
to
make
a
motion
that
we?
B
I
would
like
for
someone
to
make
a
motion
that
we
reestablish
the
public
space
management
committee
with
andrew
and
steven
lee
and
megan
and
and
guillot
serving
with
the
other
members
to
be
added
at
a
later
date
and
I'm
fine
with
calling
it
a
working
group
whatever
you
want
to
do,
go
from
there
that
sounded.
B
As
stated,
very
good,
is
there
a
second
second,
very
good,
okay,
so
andrew
are
you
and
I
I
kimmy.
D
E
G
B
Ricardo
hi
ruth
I
and
sage
hi,
very
good.
Thank
you
very
much
that
is
reestablished
and
we
will
go
from
there.
Dana.
I
Thank
you
before
we
move
on.
I
wanted
to
revisit
what
ruth
brought
up,
which
I
think
is
referring
to
the
joint
work
session
with
multimodal
and
how
there
was
a
proposal
to
pass
a
motion
or
a
resolution
that
pedestrians
are
prioritized
over
vehicles.
And
I
I
don't
know
if
that
was
the
full
language
and
and
a
vote
was
not
taken
at
the
joint
session.
C
Go
ahead,
yeah
and
ruth
and
dana
I'm
happy
to
pick
up
that
ball
and
run
with
it.
As
some
of
you
know,
I
think
I've
got
a
long
reputation
to
work
on
exactly
such
a
thing
as
whether
it
comes
as
a
busker
or
other
type
of
advocate,
so
I
feel
well
equipped
to
take
that
ball
and
run
with
it
in,
even
with
the
lack
of
a
motion
from
that
meeting.
B
G
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
when
we
did
at
the
conclusion
of
that
that
joint
meeting
we
were
asked
to
go
back
and
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
come
out
at
least
as
as
this
body
vote,
in
either
support
or
or
so
forth.
But
I
think
we
really
do
the
way
the
expectation
is
was
that
we
would
go
back
to
each
of
our
commissions,
discuss
it
and
bring
forth
a
recommendation.
B
I
Relates
to
the
work,
the
public
space
management
committee
is
doing
and
there's
different
programs
and
initiatives
that
that
group
will
be
looking
at
that
you
can
prioritize
pedestrians
over
vehicles
and
the
work
of
that
group.
Obviously,
recommendations
can
be
made
from
that
group,
so
I
just
want
to
also
offer
that
as
an
option
of
where
that
lives,
but
I
will
in
one
minute
I
will
see
if
I
can
go-
find
that
language
that.
B
That
that
was
actually
where
I
was
going
to
go.
I
don't
you,
I
apologize.
If
I'm
misunderstanding
and
if
you
have
language,
that's
fine.
I'm
I'm
happy
to
entertain
that,
but
I
feel
very
comfortable
with
the
four
of
you
with
that.
The
group
that
we
just
authorized
to
implement
a
pedestrian
first
policy.
I
think
that's
what
andrew
was
saying.
I'm
not
positive.
B
I
mean
we
can
even
maybe
adopt
a
resolution
that,
as
the
a
public
space
management
committee
works
on
their
begins,
their
work
that
they
adopt
a
pedestrian
oriented,
a
pedestrian
first
oriented
policy
as
one
of
their
guiding
directives.
C
I'm
sorry,
no,
that's
fine!
I
I
feel
comfortable
brian
with
what
you
just
said.
I
feel
like
if
we
get
emotion
here
and
it
doesn't
quite
match
the
motion
that
comes
from
multimodal-
that
that's
going
to
be
a
little
tricky
for
the
for
the
task
force
to
deal
with.
So
I
kind
of
I
do
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
I
don't
want
to
delay.
B
I'm
100
on
board
with
that,
and
I
trust
you
guys
so
there
everybody,
okay
with
that,
okay,
perfect!
If
you
can,
I'm
our
I'm
gonna
extend
our
time
just
a
little
bit
longer.
I
think
we're
almost
there
we'll
do
our
updates
and
reports
and
then
we'll
have
some
informal
discussion
and
move
from
there.
Okay,
stephen
lee
design,
review
committee.
M
All
right
I'll
make
it
really
quick.
We
reviewed
three
projects
on
december
16th.
M
M
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Asheville
downtown
association,
megan.
F
Yeah
so
I
mentioned
this
last
month,
but
it
tacks
on
nicely
to
the
conversation
before
about
the
value
of
downtown
and
the
need
to
remind
or
raise
awareness
about,
investing
in
downtown
we're
working
on
what
will
be
a
two-part
project.
The
first
part
and
the
most
relevant
to
this
conversation
is
a
data-driven
piece
that
will
so
showing
the
value
of
downtown
looking
at
public
investment
downtown
from
the
city
in
the
county,
private
investment
and
some
other
key
data
points.
F
It's
our
goal
to
have
sort
of
a
launch
of
this
at
our
state
of
downtown
luncheon,
which
is
now
scheduled
for
tuesday
march
8th
format,
to
be
decided,
we'll
we'll
figure
that
out
in
february
and
then
there's
also
a
sort
of
an
emotional
piece
to
that
too.
F
Just
reconnecting
our
citizens
with
downtown
and
the
importance
of
downtown
to
the
region,
and
then
we
will
so
we
do
surveys
twice
a
year
once
at
the
top
of
the
year,
once
in
the
middle
of
the
year,
we
will
launch
our
business
downtown
business
focus
survey
that
will
come
out
the
week
of
january
31st.
So
sometime
right
around
february.
First,
we'll
get
that
out
and
those
results
will
also
be
presented
at
the
state
of
downtown
lynching
and
that's
it
for
now.
B
Great
great
great
great,
thank
you
downtown
commission,
the
downtown
updates,
I
think,
that's
dana.
I.
I
Make
everyone
aware
this
group,
but
the
wider
community
as
well,
that
applications
are
still
being
accepted
for
the
community
reparations
commission
and
there
was
an
update
provided
to
council
just
earlier
this
week.
On
that
process,
I
provided
a
link
to
those
slides
and
applications
are
open
through
january
15th.
Oh
that
that's
tomorrow.
This
is
the
last
day.
Okay,
so
please
help
get
the
word
out.
If
you
know
anyone
that
might
be
interested
wanted
to
flag.
I
There
was
a
really
thorough
update
provided
to
city
council
on
tuesday
on
homeless
initiatives
and
homeless
response,
both
from
community
development
staff,
as
well
as
from
the
police
department.
So
a
lot
of
really
good
information
shared
and
some
good
discussion
from
city
council,
and
I
just
would
really
encourage
you
all
to
take
a
look
back
at
that
recording
and
I've,
provided
the
link
here
also
just
flagging
some
resources
that
we
have
available
on
the
city's
website
related
to
homelessness,
cities,
response
and
resources
available,
including
a
guide
for
businesses,
pac
square
improvements.
I
So
I'll
I'll
happy
to
share
that
out
with
you
all
when
that
rfp
is
released
and
in
the
meantime
we
know
that
there
is
interest
in
displaying
temporary
public
artwork
in
that
space
and
currently
we're
routing
folks
through
a
program
we
have
called
place
partners,
but
we're
also
working
towards
towards
facilitating
some
type
of
rotating
public
art
in
that
area,
as
we
move
forward
with
our
visioning
process.
I
I
We
talked
about
development
project
updates
in
addition
to
the
two
projects
we
mentioned
going
to
drc
next
week.
48
south
market
street
is
also
going
to
drc
for
final
review.
I
And
the
next
council
meeting
is
january.
25Th
highlighted
just
a
few
things
upcoming
on
that
agenda,
making
some
changes
to
design
review
committee
appointments
that
we've
discussed
also,
while
not
in
the
central
business
district
conditional
zoning
for
west
haywood
street.
In
the
weekend,
neighborhood
thought
could
be
a
project
of
interest
to
flag.
I
And
we
have
hired,
the
city
has
hired
a
new
assistant
city
manager.
Her
name
is
rachel
wood
and
I've
provided
a
link
to
more
information
here,
indoor
face
covering
requirements
that
was
extended
by
the
county
just
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
so
that's
in
place
through
february
16th
and,
as
everyone
probably
knows,
we
are
expecting
some
winter
weather
the
city's
prepared
to
to
clear
streets,
and
they
should
be
out
today
putting
salt
down
and
just
want
to
remind
businesses
and
property
owners
as
well.
I
B
So,
as
dana
pointed
out,
the
presentation
to
city
council
has
some
updates
for
our
response
to
homeless,
encampments
and
shelters
and
and
items
like
that,
and
if
you
haven't
already
watched
that
or
or
reviewed
that
information,
I
encourage
you
to
do
so.
We
also
are
the
new
department
director
for
parks
coming
in
in
the
february
1st
of
march.
Is
that
right
is
that
when
he
comes
in.
B
January,
okay,
we
also
have
officer
elections
coming
up,
so
if
you
know,
if
you've
got
nominations
to
make,
we
need
to,
we
need
to
start
working
on
that.
I
guess,
and
we
will
be
looking
at
the
vision
plan
for
south
slope
in
in
our
february
march,
so
any
any
comments
or
questions
or
things
we
need
to
talk
about
on
upcoming
items.
C
A
second,
I
realized
that
we
didn't
kind
of
tell
the
commission
like
when
we're
gonna
be
coming
back
and
like
what
exactly
the
next
step
is.
So
are
we
so
I
guess
the
question
I
have
is
do.
Are
we
gonna
intend
to
get
a
meeting
of
the
task
force
together
before
the
next
downtown
commission
meeting
and
then
expect
to
have
an
agenda
item
from
that
there
or
what
so
the
next?
The
next
downtown
commission
meeting
is
on
my
birthday
february,
11th,
happy
birthday.
Thank
you.
J
I
In
some
in
the
next
steps
I
shared-
I,
we
didn't
go
over
it,
but
I
think
a
good
goal
is
to
convene
that
group
in
february,
I
guess,
depending
on,
if
we
how
quickly
we
find
folks
to
fill
seats
that
could
be
before
or
after
the
downtown
commission
next
meets.
But
I
would
say
it's
definitely.
Meeting
in
february
is
something
that
we're
working
towards.
C
D
Yeah
thanks,
I
just
wanted
to
ask,
and
then
you
know
the
group
if
we
would
consider
when
we
talk
about
south
slope,
that
we
would
give
the
historic
provenance
to
it
of
south
side.
I
just
think
when
development
moves
forward,
but
it
costs
to
community
its
provenance
and
its
neighborhood
that
actually
referencing
it
as
the
south's
side
now
known
as
the
south
slope
just
gives
the
respect.
I
Thank
you
and
I'll
take
the
blame
for
that
in
the
agenda.
We
do
acknowledge.
We
recognize
south
side
very
much
in
the
plan,
so
we
it.
So
when
we
look
at
the
plan,
please
give
us
feedback,
but
my
my
fault
on
the
agenda.
Thanks.
B
Okay,
any
okay,
it's
11
28,
I
think
we're
done.
Is
everybody
good
for
the
most
part?
All
right
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn.