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B
B
Okay
should
be
all
good
on
the
live
stream.
A
Afternoon,
everyone-
I
am
chair
kite,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
january
12
2022
historic
resources.
Commission
meeting
the
hrc
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
north
carolina
general
statutes,
the
city
of
asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
buncombe
county
ordinance.
We
are
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
alterations,
demolition,
new
construction
and
other
work
within
historic
districts
or
for
the
alteration
and
demolition
of
historic
landmarks
and
other
duties,
including
preliminary
review
of
subdivisions
as
specified
in
the
ordinances
for
the
hrc.
A
And
entering
code
9384
for
those
wishing
to
give
public
comment
during
an
agenda
item,
please
call
in
and
press
star
3
to
enter
the
caller
queue.
I
will
now
ask
commission
members
to
introduce
themselves
and
say
a
sentence
or
two
about
their
background
or
experience
as
it
relates
to
serving
on
the
commission.
E
D
I
C
K
My
name
is
james
vaughn.
I
have
a
masters
in
public
administration
and
I've
worked
on
a
number
of
historic
preservation
projects
getting
things
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places.
A
L
It's
stephanie,
I'm
here
too
hi
stephanie,
sorry
about
that.
Go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself
no
you're
good
hi,
I'm
stephanie
west,
I'm
a
commercial
broker.
I
handle
sales
and
leasings.
A
It
looks
like
shannon
commissioner
watkins
is
also
here
good.
A
You
go
all
right,
I
think
that
gets.
I
think
we've
got
everybody
here
today.
Okay,
we
will
consider
the
minutes
from
the
december
meeting
of
the
hrc.
The
meeting
minutes
include
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law.
Has
anyone
noted
any
corrections.
A
Okay,
we
will
vote
by
roll
call
vice
chair
spring
aye,
commissioner
lazarus
aye,
commissioner
hornaday.
I
J
K
A
N
A
Myself
is
an
I
vote
as
well,
and
I
think,
though,
that
motion
will
pass
we
will
now.
We
will
now
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
listed
on
the
agenda
as
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
hrc
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
hrc
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standard
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
hrc
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
D
A
We
will
be
if
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness.
Please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion
witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
At
this
time
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
A
We
may
do
this
two
or
three
times
throughout
the
course
of
today's
agenda,
just
depending
on
which
applicants
are
present
on
video
at
the
moment
and
if
others
haven't
joined,
we'll
catch
them
on
a
later
go
around
before
their
application
is
heard.
So
I
want
to
double
check
michael
mcdonough.
It
looks
like
you're
here
with
us
already
bland
holmen.
H
A
I
am
president
gotcha
john
cucera.
A
Okay,
I'm
holly
mason
present.
Is
there
any
other
folks
for
any
of
the
agenda
items
today
that
are
currently
present
that
I
haven't
caught.
B
B
Maybe
we
can't
she's
here,
I
think
for
74
cortland.
So
if
she
needs
to
speak
at
that
time,
maybe.
O
H
M
A
M
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
that
covers
everybody
for
the
time
being,
and
I
think
that
we
are
ready
for
our
first
public
hearing
item
we've
got
to,
I
think,
make
a
motion
to
start
with
to
continue
the
43
elizabeth
place
project
to
february's
meeting.
Do
we
need
to
do
that.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
chair
kite
members
of
the
commission
happy
new
year
to
everyone.
The
first
item
is
a
pretty
simple
subdivision
application,
so
I'm
gonna
just
go
through
it
really
quickly.
The
subdivision
request
is
at
124.
B
It's
a
pretty
big
lot.
As
you
can
see,
0.67
acres.
The
proposal
is
to
divide
it
divide
the
part.
The
part
of
the
parcel,
with
this
existing
structure
to
the
south
off
into
a
point
three
three
acre
lot
and
then
about
the
same
size.
Lot
to
the
north
will
be
a
new
lot
just
to
give
some
further
context.
B
This,
oh
sorry,
wrong
slide.
This
is
the
existing
structure,
it's
a
multi-family
structure,
and
then
this
is
kind
of
looking
into
the.
Where
will
be
the
newly
subdivided
lot
next
door?
This
property
is
located
pretty
close
to
the
head
of
montford,
it's
just
a
house
or
two
down
from
the
corner
of
portland
and
montford.
B
I'm
not
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns.
I
think
that
the
newly
subdivided
lot
will
provide
plenty
of
room
for
a
new
structure
to
be
built
there.
That
would
be
consistent
with
the
historic
development
pattern
in
terms
of
the
overall
size
and
form
setbacks
in
that
particular
block.
So
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
if
you
all
have
any.
G
G
G
G
B
A
Michael,
do
you
have
any
additional
information
that
you'd,
like.
O
I
can
add
clarity
to
that
last
question.
The
intention
would
be
that
whatever
development
happens
on
the
subdivided
parcel
share.
The
current
driveway,
so
the
12
foot
easement,
is,
is
essentially
an
agreement
between
the
two
property
owners
that
the
intention
is
to
kind
of
share
access
to
rear
yard
parking
area
within
the
same
driveway.
A
Okay,
we'll
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
A
F
I
mean
I'm
hearing
no
dissent,
so
I'm
gonna
just
plow
forward.
That's
good
yep,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
minor
subdivision
application.
Five
pages
exhibit
b
proposed
plat
five
pages
exhibit
no
other
exhibits
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
review
a
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
preliminary
subdivision
approval
request,
based
on
the
following
one,
that
the
application
to
divide
the
existing
0.67
acre
lot
into
1.34
acre
lot
and
1.33
acre
lot.
F
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
Subdivision
of
the
lot
would
allow
for
new
development
features
at
a
minimum
to
be
built
in
a
manner
that
is
congruent
with
the
special
character
of
the
historic
district,
as
it
relates
to
the
building,
setbacks,
orientation
and
consistency
with
the
historic
development
pattern
b.
New
lot
with
existing
structure
will
retain
its
congruency
with
the
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
building
orientation
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
space
in
between
structures.
F
G
O
D
A
A
P
A
B
Staff
report-
thank
you
share
kite,
so
this
application
has
a
few
different
parts,
but
mostly
it's
some
pretty
minor
changes
just
to
orient
everyone
down
on
the
right
is
the
the
parcel
map
this
site
is
located
behind
the
vault
used
to
be
chiesa
or
chiesa,
the
restaurant,
that's
on
the
corner
of
west
chestnut
and
mop
bird,
but
I
understand
that
restaurant
just
recently
closed,
but
in
any
case
this
property
is
located
immediately
behind
this.
B
There
is
a
a
right
of
way
that
goes
between
them,
but
it's
a
fairly
big
parcel
so
on
the
left,
is
the
site
plan
kind
of
hard
to
see
in
my
drawings,
but
or
in
the
or
not
my
drawings
but
the
drawings,
but
in
the
photos
you
could
probably
see,
especially
on
the
photo
to
the
right.
This
is
looking
towards
the
west,
so
this
little
bump
out
that
is
on
the
far
left
on
the
rear
elevation
is
proposed
for
removal.
B
If
you
study
the
same
wear
maps,
you
can
see
that
it
was
not
an
original
part
of
the
house.
This
little,
this
little
portion
was
where
the
first
porch
porches,
but
this
little
part
was
added
later
so
they're
proposing
to
remove
that.
That's
probably
the
biggest
change
that
you'll
see
and
then
some
these
are
the
existing.
B
This
is
the
existing
rear
elevation
on
the
top
and
the
proposed
rear
elevation
on
the
bottom,
so
part
of
the
application
is
kind
of
involves
moving
some
fenestration
around
this
part
here,
where
these
two
windows
are,
is
the
the
part
that's
going
to
be
modified,
so
this
little
bump
out
with
the
hip
roof
on
the
left,
will
be
taken
off
and
then
the
whole
rear
of
that
the
hip
roof
beyond
that
section
of
the
building
will
be
restored
and
those
two
windows
will
be
relocated
and
there'll
be
three
new.
B
These
will
be
three
new
wood
windows
that
will
match
the
existing
twelve
over
one
double-hung
windows
on
the
house.
This
kind
of
the
house
was
was
owned
by
a
church
for
a
while
and
was
super
mucked
up
on
the
inside,
so
they
did
a
bunch
of
funky
stuff
and
at
some.
P
B
There
had
been
a
a
fire
escape
on
the
rear,
so
there
is
kind
of
this
door
mod
existing
door
on
the
second
floor,
that
is
not
original
to
the
structure
and
goes
to
nowhere
at
this
point.
So
this
will
be.
This
little
window
will
be
relocated
to
that
opening
and
then
the
siding
will
be
restored
around
it.
B
So
moving
around
the
structure
so
also
on
this
elevation
you'll
see
here
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see,
but
on
the
very
bottom
below
the
the
this
12
over
one
window,
there's
a
set
of
cellar
doors,
probably
easier
to
see
in
the
photograph.
You
can
kind
of
see
that
little
gray
rectangle
there
that's
the
entry
to
the
cellar.
Those
are
proposed
to
be
relocated
around
to
the
west
elevation,
also
kind
of
hard
to
tell
from
the
rendering
what
that
will
look
like.
B
But
if
you
can
see
this
on
the
basement
level,
this
little
nine
light,
casement
window
will
be
removed
and
converted
to
a
door
and
then
they'll
be
the
cellar.
Doors
will
be
installed
over
that
opening,
and
this
is
what
the
it's
a
product
called
clear:
grass,
it's
their
glass
cellar
doors.
So
that's
what
that
will
look
like
on
the
west
elevation
and
there's
a
couple
of
other
window
changes
moving
things
around
on
the
side
to
accommodate
the
interior
renovations
that
are
occurring
in
the
house.
B
B
Here's
an
image
of
the
front
elevation.
There
is
a
porch
the
front
porch
wraps
around
the
the
north
and
east
sides
of
the
building.
The
porch
posts
are
kind
of
unusual
in
that
they're
covered
with
the
pebble
dash
siding
to
match
the
rest
of
the
house.
B
Now
let
bland
speak
to
this,
but
I
I
think
it's
our
assumption
that
that
was
not
an
original
treatment
for
those
brackets
and
posts.
I've
not
seen
any
other
house
in
montford
and
bland
consulted
with
dale
schlesser,
who
is
a
local
historian
and
has
investigated
many
many
historic
structures
in
asheville,
and
so
I
I
know
that
bland
got
some
information
from
dale
that
he
could
probably
share
with
you
about
restoring
those
back
to
wood.
B
Let's
see,
I
did
so
other
than
that.
Nothing
else
really
to
note.
There's
some
tree
removal
in
the
front.
I
have
gotten
all
the
specifications
requested
in
the
report
from
the
applicant.
The
only
thing
that
I
missed
in
my
initial
list
to
him
was
what
the
species
of
trees
that
will
be
replanted
to
replace
the
ones
in
front
the
trees
that
are
proposed
for
removal
are
the
ones
if
you
went
and
made
a
site
visit.
B
There
are
several
trees
that
are
growing
right
up,
pretty
close
to
the
foundation
and
have
outgrown
their
intended
space,
and
so
just
need
to
confirm
with
bland
what
what
the
plan
is
for
replacement
species.
The
the
guidelines
dictate
that
replacement
species
should
be
of
same
or
similar
species
from
the
motford
recommends
recommended
species
list.
B
Most
of
the
time
when
we're
looking
at
hemlock
trees
that
are
being
removed,
we
we
aren't
requiring
that
exact
species,
since
they
are
having
so
many
health
issues,
but
another
evergreen
of
what
from
the
list
would
be
would
be
best.
So
I
think
that
covers
everything
that
I
noted
in
my
report.
But
if
you
all
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer.
A
Okay,
bland,
have
you
got
any
other
information
you'd
like
to
offer
to
commissioners.
H
Well,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
all
and
it's
exciting
for
us,
and
not
really,
I
mean
that's
we're
we're
we're
trying
to
focus
on
maintaining
the
integrity
of
this
house.
It's
been
through
a
lot.
Frankly,
it's
been,
it's
been
rode
hard
and
put
up
wet,
and
so
a
lot
of
work
is
going
on
inside
to
restore
it
and
we're
excited
about
that
and
yeah,
and
we
had.
We
did
that.
H
Dale
came
in
and
looked
around
and
you
know
I
has
done
some
of
the
research
we
tried
to
add
to
the
historic
file
we
did.
H
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
anybody's
files,
but
the
story
around
the
neighborhood
is
that
this
house
was
slated
for
the
church
owned
it
and
bought
it
supposedly
to
make
a
parking
lot
and
propose
to
flatten
it
and
the
rumor,
or
at
least
the
word
around
the
neighborhood
is
that
they,
the
historic
preservation,
is
pushed
back
and
they
were
not
able
to
do
that,
which
is,
I
think,
a
good
story
in
historic
preservation,
and
now
it
will
have
the
opportunity
to
be
restored
closer
to
its
original
condition
and
we're
excited
about
that.
H
Yes,
and
so
I'm
I
I
have-
we've
looked
at
that-
and
I
will
say
I
we're
not
sure
if
the
stucco
is
original
or
not,
and
at
this
point
the
the
best
stucco
integrity
of
the
entire
structure
is
on
those
damn
columns.
H
So
removing
them
would
require
jackhammers
and
we
don't
plan
to
do
that.
The
rest
of
the
stucco,
as
you
can
see,
the
pebble
dash,
has
got
some
serious
problems
around
the
house,
but
those
columns
that
I
I
have
looked
around
montford
I've
never
seen
a
house
with
those.
There
are
no
other
houses
with
that,
but
we
don't
we're
in
you
know
we
could
we're
not
itching
to
remove
that
stucco
at
this
point,
given
how
hard
it's
on
there
and
we're
not
sure
if
it's
original
or
not.
H
G
P
H
The
there
are
two
back
doors
on
the
ground
level:
yes,
yes,
they're
they're,
the
main
back
door
to
the
hall.
We
will
leave
okay,
there's
another
door.
That
is,
you
can
see
it.
It
would
be
a
side
elevation,
no.
G
Light
on
that
back
door,
I
think,
and
the
drawing
shows
a
single.
I
was
just
making
sure
that
that
door
was
remaining
or
if
there
was
a
plan.
D
E
Questions
I
didn't
see
in
the
packet
if
there's
a
proposed
color
scheme
for
exterior
colors,
have
you
given
thought
to
that
already.
H
C
B
H
I
can't
tell
I
I
mean
it's
it's
and,
and
I
think
the
paint
it's
like
it's
a
it's,
it's
not
your
average
everyday
paint
that
you
use
on
the
stuff.
Apparently
I
have
not
seen
any
flakes
that
have
fallen
off
that
have
different
colors
in
it
and
there's
a
fair
bit.
That's
fallen
off,
but
I
don't
know
if
if
the
paint
would
separate
you
know
like
a
wall,
you
can
see
the
layers
this
stuff.
You
can't
really
see.
B
Right
yeah,
we
don't,
we
don't
actually
regulate
paint
color
in
momford.
The
only
thing
we
would
be
concerned
about
is,
if
you
came
to
us
and
said
we
want
to
paint
the
stone
foundation
like
or
if
there
were.
You
know,
unpainted
brick,
that's
primarily
what
we're
concerned
with
I've
not
had
any
requests
to
paint
pebble
dash,
but
I
have
seen
other
painted
pebble
dash,
I'm
not
sure
what
I've
not
actually
ever
seen
pebble
dash
applied.
B
A
D
O
I
didn't
know
how
to
make
a
comment:
michael
mcdonough,
hey,
bland,
hey
neighbor,
I
was
gonna
suggest.
Maybe
you
go
ahead
and
ask
in
case
you
change
your
mind
about
the
pebble
dash
on
the
columns,
I'm
99.9
certain
that
is
not
original
and
as
you
get
into
it,
you
might
be
compelled
to
restore
it
to
the
wood
underneath.
So
it
seems
like
while
you're
here.
Maybe
the
hrc's
gives
you
the
discretion
to
either
take
it
off
or
not,
rather
than
you
having
to
come
back.
H
Well,
that
would
be
great,
and
I
appreciate
that
I
I
will
say
that
I
don't,
I
think
it
looks
odd-
to
have
them
with
pebble
dash.
It's
just
it's
kind
of
it's
like
somebody
hired
a
pebble
dash
contractor
and
they
went
crazy
and
it
I'm
not
sure
it's
the
same
gauge
pebble
dash
is
the
rest
of
the
house,
but
it's
a
mishmash
of
styles
in
the
house,
so
yeah
I
mean
I
think
we
did
officially
ask
for
that
approval.
H
So
if
the
commission
is
of
a
mind
to
give
us
that
option,
that'd
be
great.
O
P
A
Commissioners
other
comments
or
questions
or
discussion
about
this
application,
I'm
a
little
bit
sort
of
logistically
question.
You
know
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
through
the
columns
and,
if
there's
an
avenue
for
some
you
know
do
we
does
the
applicant
need
to
need
to
decide
one
way
or
the
other
on
the
columns
or
how
that
would
work
sort
of
logistically
through
the
process
alex.
B
I
well,
I
think
you
could
put
a
condition
on
the
ca
kind
of
like
what
we
did.
What
I
don't
know,
if
you
all
recall,
but
we
had
a
renovation
project
on
flint
street,
where
the
house
had
aluminum
siding
on
it
and
they
weren't
sure
what
the
original
siding
was
but
likely
underneath,
and
so
we
issued
the
ca
with
the
stipulation
that
they
would.
B
You
know,
investigate
the
the
situation
and
if,
by
some
odd
chance
there
was
no
original
siding
beneath
they
would
come
back
to
you
all
to
get
the
proper
approval.
So
I
would
assume
we
could
probably
do
something
similar
here
where
we
said
you
know
the
condition
on
the
ca
is
that
you
all
approve
it.
You
know
unless,
like
you
know,
with
the
stipulation
that
they
do,
some
investigation
to
you
know
make
sure
that
they
provide
evidence
to
staff
that
seems
like
in
plan.
B
I
can
maybe
I
can
come
out
and
look
with
you
one
day
following
the
hearing.
It
seems
like
you
may
have
looked
at
this,
but
was
there
any
evidence
from
how
the
railing
was
attached
to
the
to
the
pebble
dash
that
you
could?
Maybe
tell
that
it
had
been
cut
off.
You
know
at
some
point.
B
I
guess
maybe
they
could
have
done
it
without
cutting
it
off,
and
maybe
it
was
just
you
know
faced
around
it
did
dale
offer
any
insight
on
that.
H
B
I
agree,
I
think
it
kind
of
gives
this
heaviness
to
the
front
elevation.
That
would
have
been
an
unlikely
you
know,
probably
desire.
Sometimes
it
just
doesn't
seem
like
what
someone
would
would
really
want,
except
for
maybe,
as
you
pointed
out
a
you
know,
pebble
that
mason,
who
was
really
excited
to
do
their
job.
A
Alex
can
you
go
back
to
that
photograph
of
the
back
either?
I
think
you
have
maybe
both
on
one
slide
like
two
slides
up
from
where
you
are.
A
There-
and
I
guess
that
was
the
portion
of
the
porch
that
was
original
right-
that
those
that
column,
where
those
that
covers
that
door
in
the
back.
H
Yes,
yeah
that
that
is,
we
think,
that's
original.
It's
it's
pretty
confusing.
What's
going
on
with
the
original
shed
roof
and
but
yeah
that
that
that
bracket
looks
to
be
original
and
it's
the
same
form
of
bracket
saws,
the
stucco
as
the
front
ones.
A
If
it
was,
you
know
if
they
did
the
pebble
dash
around
it,
that
would
be
sort
of
clear
evidence
that
the
railing
was
there
before
the
pebble
dash
or,
if
there's
a
like
a
raw
end
of
of
railing,
that,
like
top
rail,
where
they
had
to
cut
it,
to
make
room
for
the
pebble
dash
to
go
past
it
or
something
might
be
some
kind
of
interesting
evidence.
A
I
would
certainly
be
receptive
to
a
plan
to
remove
the
pebble
pebble
dash
and
having
some
kind
of
structure,
some
kind
of
a
condition
that
would
allow
for
ongoing
investigation
of
that
before
we
sort
of
make
a
final
decision
sort
of
with
that.
You
know
eventual
goal,
maybe
in
mind.
A
You
know
just
for
my
own
sort
of
with
what
evidence
is
available
today.
I
would
be
open
to
that.
B
A
And
I
guess,
how
does
that
you
know
sort
of
at
the
end
of
the
project?
If
you
know
that
if
bland,
for
example,
you
decide
not
to
do
the
pebble
dash,
because
you
think
it's
going
to
damage
the
wood
or
it's
too
hard
or
you
just
want
to
not
do
it
alex?
How
does
that
condition
kind
of
close
itself
out
if
they
decide
just
to
keep
the
pebble
dash
the
way
it
is.
B
Well,
just
because
you
all
approve
something
as
part
of
a
ca
request
does
not
mean
they
have
to
actually
do
the
work.
So,
theoretically,
you
could
approve
everything
in
the
ca
and
then
bland
says
I'm
moving
back
to
charleston,
I'm
done
with
this
house,
and
he
doesn't
do
any
of
the
restoration
work.
That's
okay,
too
yeah,
okay,.
D
G
I'm
happy
to
see
this
house
restored
and
I
have
no
problem
with
the
removal
of
that
edition.
The
floating
edition
back
there
on
the
piers
and
I'd
like
to
thank
the
applicant
for
taking
this
on,
and
I
wish
him
a
lot
of
luck
with
that
pebble
bash.
F
I
also
wanted
to
comment
on
an
appreciation
of
sharing
that
historic
research
that
you
did,
that
was
actually
quite
fun
to
read
through.
So
thanks.
E
B
I
did
want
to
ask
really
quickly
not
to
deviate
from
the
thank
yous,
because
I'm
also
really
pleased
to
see
that
this
house
will
be
rehabbed
and
and
well
loved.
I
did
want
to
ask
bland
about
the
trees.
Do
you
have
an
idea?
You
don't
have
to
know
that
today
you
can.
That
can
also
be
a
condition
on
the
ca
that
you'll
submit
a
site
plan
showing
whatever
trees
and
species
you'll
replant
after
the
meeting,
whenever
you're
you're
ready
to.
H
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
I
don't
I
don't
have
any
plans.
I
am
I'm
a
native
tree
guy,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
trees.
We
like
we've,
already
planted
a
few
trees,
but
exactly
what
to
put
in
the
front
there,
I
mean
they
planted
hemlocks.
I
think
the
idea
is
you
plant
hemp
people,
plant
hemlocks
as
shrubs,
and
then
they
let
them
get
out
of
control
and
now
they're
50
feet
high
tall
and
about
to
be
100
feet
tall.
So
exactly
what
to
do
there?
H
You
know
maybe
some
kind
of
shrub
or
evergreen
a
green
screen
of
some
sort.
That's
not
out
of
control
out
front
would
be
great
but
like
a
super
tall
conifer,
maybe
not.
B
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
some
hollies
and
rhododendron
some
other
things
that
might
be
suitable
for
in
front
of
the
house.
If,
if
that
works
for
you,
but
we
can,
if,
if
the
commissioners
are
okay
with
it,
we
can
just
you
know,
figure
that
out
after
the
meeting.
B
B
Yeah,
but
you
know
I
mean,
obviously
this
house
could
use
some
foundation
planting
for
sure,
but
although
it
does
have
a
beautiful
foundation,
but
whenever
we
require
replacement
trees,
we
don't
require
them
to
go
in
the
exact
location
every
once
in
a
while.
There's
like
a
really
large
tree,
that's
being
removed
from
a
front
yard,
and
it's
really
the
only
trees
or
only
vegetation.
B
We
say
you
know
replant
in
this
location.
In
this
case,
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
replant
at
least
a
few
evergreens
in
the
front
that,
were
you
know
smaller
maturing
evergreens,
but
otherwise,
for
I
think,
there's
a
there's,
a
chair,
yeah
cherry
tree
like
that
could
be
you
know
a
cherry
tree
or
similar
species
planted
anywhere
on
the
site.
It
doesn't
have
to
go
back
in
the
same
place
so.
B
Yeah,
the
the
guidelines
just
say
same
or
similar
species
from
the
mopfor
recommended
species
list,
and
there
are
other
evergreens
that
would
work
in
place
of
the
hemlocks.
H
P
H
R
D
E
I
can
make
a
motion
if
commissioners
are
ready.
E
E
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description,
four
pages
exhibit
b
site
plan,
exhibit
c
elevation
drawings.
Four
pages
exhibit
d
for
plans,
floor
plans,
four
pages,
exhibit
e
photos
of
subject
property.
Three
pages
exhibit
f
1917
sanborn
fire
insurance
map
exhibit
g
1950
sanborn
fire
insurance
map
exhibit
h
historical
research,
18
pages
exhibit
I
window
specifications
two
pages
received
january
12:
2022
exhibit
j
email
with
material
specifications
received
january
20
january
12
2022.
E
E
Number
two:
the
standards
for
demolition
found
on
pages
60
to
61
roofs
on
pages,
74-75,
materials,
masonry
and
stucco,
on
pages,
4
to
65
windows
and
doors
on
pages,
84-85
chimneys
and
chimney
caps
on
pages
58-59,
porches
entrances
and
balconies
on
pages,
72-73
utilities
and
mechanical
systems.
On
pages
82-83
in
the
montford
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
E
Number
three:
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
a
the
addition
being
removed
is
not
original
or
historic,
b
windows,
roof,
porch,
siding
and
chimneys
are
being
preserved
and
restored,
see
the
door
being
removed
is
not
original
or
historic.
D
window
and
door
openings
being
modified
are
on
the
rear.
Inside
elevation
e
new
windows
will
be
wood
to
match.
The
existing
f
trees
being
removed
have
outgrown
their
original
space
and
new
trees
will
be
planted
on
site
g.
Mechanical
units
will
be
located
inconspicuously
on
the
side
elevation
and
will
be
screened.
P
P
E
Based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
therein,
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions:
number
one.
If,
during
construction,
it
is
discovered
that
pebble
dash
covering
on
front
porch
posts
is
original,
work
will
cease
and
any
removed.
Pebble
dash
will
be
restored.
P
B
B
Thank
you
I'll,
follow
up
with
you
in
the
next
probably
a
few
days
or
the
middle
of
next
week
after
the
holiday.
B
B
It's
this
little
one
and
a
half
story
gable
front
facing
gable
and
cottage.
Currently
there
is
I've
added
some
additional
photos
to
the
file,
also
by
the
way.
So
this
is
my
kind
of
photo
montage,
but
it
looks
a
little
crazy,
probably
on
the
screen,
but
the
photo
to
the
far
left
is
just
a
close-up
of
the
existing
edition
as
I'll
call
it.
B
If
you're
looking
at
the
sanborn
fire
insurance
maps,
you
can
see
that
this
little
first
floor
first
story
portion
was
an
open
porch
at
some
point
in
time
and
was
original
to
the
house
at
some
point
in
the
past.
The
second
story
was
added
and
it's
got
currently
has
a
very
low
pitch
roof
at
present
and
there's
also
a
stair
and
landing
that
goes
up
to
it.
B
As
you
can
see,
it's
kind
of
not
really
consistent
with
the
historic
character
of
the
structure,
so
the
proposal
is
to
remove
that
steering,
landing
and
replace
it
and
then
to
raise
the
roof
on
that.
Little
addition
to
meet
the
the
main
crust
of
the
roof-
that's
existing,
so
I've
just
added
here
the
the
rear
and
the.
B
I
guess
this
will
be
the
south
elevation
initially,
when
I
kind
of
was
considering
this
looking
at
the
standards
for
additions,
the
one
that
there
was
one
standard
that
gave
me
a
little
bit
of
pause,
which
was
not
aligning
major
horizontal
features,
but
I
actually
the
more
I
thought
about
it
and
digested
the
standards.
B
B
D
A
R
No,
I
think
alex
did
a
really
good
job.
I
was
just
thinking
about
this
house,
comparing
it
to
bland's
house
and
I
texted
rita
the
owner,
and
I
was
like
hey
I'm
just
curious.
When
did
you
buy
this?
She
was
like
1985.
and
I
was
like.
Can
I
ask
how
much
she
said?
29
000.,
I
was
like
man,
it's
just
amazing,
to
see
you
know
montford
and
evolution.
So
in
this
house.
R
What
we're
doing
here
is
you
know
this
house
is
a
it's
got
a
lot
of
odd
things
happening
and
so
anything
that
we
could
try
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
conform
and
a
little
bit
more
angle,
wise,
I
mean
she's
got
like
little
dormers
and
little
pop-up
things
here
and
there,
and
I
I
think
this
is
really
going
to
help
that
corner,
especially
and
then
we
didn't
get
the
landscape
architect
confirmed
in
time,
but
that'll
be
a
separate
application,
but
that's
also
going
to
help.
But
we'll
do
that.
E
Since
the
stair
well
is
being
replaced,
do
we
have
details
about
what
the
you
know,
railing,
balusters,
etc,
will
look
like.
R
So
the
railings
and
balusters
will
be
just
like
the
front
and
and
the
owner
actually
wants
that,
so
that
would
be
the
same
now
we're
getting
into
this
little
crossing
there
with
the
railings
or
whatever.
That's
what
we're
gonna
look
at
we're
gonna!
R
Try
to
see,
I
think,
they're
four
by
four
right
now,
rather
than
even
a
six
by
six,
so
we're
gonna
see
if
we
could
do
something
a
little
bit
better,
looking
aesthetically
kind
of
about
the
supporting
structure,
but
that
rail
and
then
the
the
railing
going
down
would
be
so
much
in
the
front.
A
Okay,
we'll
close
the
floor
for
public
comment.
Commissioners,
other
questions,
discussion,
concerns
of
any
kind.
E
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
like
the
last
project,
this
one
will
be
another
good
improvement.
I
would
be
ready
to
make
a
motion
if
the
rest
of
the
commission
is.
E
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
present
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description,
five
pages
exhibit
b
plans
and
elevation
drawings.
Four
pages
exhibit
c
photos
of
subject
property,
five
pages,
exhibit
d
1950
sanborn
fire
insurance
map,
exhibit
e
additional
photographs,
subject:
property
four
pages
taken
january
12
2020.
E
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
such
a
property
by
all
members,
except
I
knew
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
application
is
the
modify
roof
on
non-original
rear
edition
to
raise
the
interior
ceiling
height
new
hip
roof
will
align
with
existing
gable
end
roof,
replace
existing
stairs
and
landings.
New
painted
wood
stairs
and
landing
railing
design
will
match
front
porch.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
E
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
Two
for
the
standards
for
additions
on
pages
88
to
89
and
porches
entrances
and
balconies
found
on
pages
72-73
of
the
montford
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Number
three:
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
E
A
addition
will
retain
its
compatibility
with
the
existing
building
in
height,
massing,
roof
form
and
pitch
b,
siding
and
roofing
materials
will
match
existing
in
material
dimension
and
color
c.
New
stair
and
landing
are
replacing
an
existing
stair
and
landing
on
the
rear.
Elevation
d.
New
stern
landing
will
be
compatible
with
existing
structure
in
terms
of
scale,
details,
material
and
color
number,
four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
montford
historic
district.
G
A
P
A
Okay,
moving
to
the
next
item
in
the
agenda:
it's
still
in
montford
district,
we're
at
74,
cortland
avenue.
B
That's
okay!
Thank
you
all
right.
So
our
last
item
is
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
so
this
one
might
take
us
a
little
bit
to
get
through,
but
so
this
application
is
for
a
proposed
demolition
of
an
accessory
structure
at
74,
portland
avenue.
So
just
for
context,
this
is
the
parcel
it's
on
the
corner
of
cortland
and
pearson.
B
B
So
if
you
look
at
the
1925
sanborn
map,
clearly
there
is
no
there's
no
accessory
structure
located
on
the
site.
The
next
update
was
in
1950,
which
also
shows
no
accessory
structure
and
then
in
1951
the
1925
version
was
republished,
presumably
to
make
corrections
to
the
1925
version,
and
there
is
an
accessory
structure
shown
in
roughly
the
same
location.
B
I
visited
the
site
today
and
took
a
bunch
of
photos
that
are
also
in
your
file,
and
I
made
these
montages
on
the
slides,
but
you
probably
just
want
to
pull
up
the
images
in
your
packet
just
to
look
at
the
larger
versions
of
them.
So
initially,
when
I
went
to
the
site,
I
was
I
only
looked
at
the
exterior
and
I
did
have
some
concerns
because
it
does
kind
of
appear
like
it's
like
this
weird
version
of
dutch
lap
siding,
although
it
it's
sort
of
hodge
podgy.
B
Not
really
built
very
well
and
then
there's
like
some
other
tactile
materials
and
the
back
is
something
entirely
different.
The
window
and
the
drawer
aren't
original
and
then
the
other
thing
that
kind
of
at
first,
I
just
presumed
that
it
was
not
an
original
structure
in
part
because
we're
not
a
historic
structure
in
terms
of
fitting
within
the
period
of
significance,
except
for
looking
at
the
sighting,
gave
me
a
little
bit
of
a
question
mark
and
then
looking
at
the
exposed
raptor
tales.
The
house
main
house
also
has
this
this
feature.
B
However,
I
was
able
to
go
back
over
at
lunchtime
with
the
property
owner.
Holly
was
kind
enough
to
meet
me
over
there,
so
I
could
look
at
the
inside
and
it
is
clearly
has.
B
I
don't
know
whether
they
took
the
original
structure
that
was
built
between
1925
and
1951
down
and
then
just
rebuilt
it
up
and
it's
kind
of
this
hodgepodge,
but
it
it
definitely
doesn't
appear
to
be
like
a
historic
structure
from
you
know
from
from
many
parts
of
it,
from
the
way
that
the
siding
is
attached
to
the
kind
of
quality
of
the
siding
that
there
are
no
footers.
The
concrete
pad
is
in
terrible
shape.
The
roof
at
some
point
was
either
either.
B
This
was
a
newly
built
structure
sometime
in
later
in
the
20th
century,
like
maybe
in
the
70s
or
something
or
you
know,
maybe
it
was
just
kind
of
taking
in
the
older
structure
that
was
there
and
you
know
modifying
it
as
needed.
But
it's
you
know
as
sarah
or
sorry
excuse
me.
I
met
with
holly
the
property
owner
and
we
got
some
information
from
her
builder.
B
Who's
also
examined
the
structure
of
work
and,
and
he
restored
other
historic
buildings
and
in
his
opinion
this
clearly
would
not
be
considered
a
historic
structure
based
on
the
way
it
was
built
just
in
terms
of
the
quality
of
the
construction
they're.
Not
being
footers
and
all
of
those
or
it's
not
even
wouldn't
even
need
building
code,
the
picture
on
the
bottom
right
is
sort
of
sort
of
exemplary
of
what
parts
of
the
inside
look
like.
B
You
can
kind
of
tell
in
the
other
photos
that
from
the
interior
you
just
see
through
the
slats
that
are,
you
know
those
that's
looking
to
the
outside
and
there's
also
in
the
previous
slide.
You
can
see
down
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
in
this
photo
because
of
the
sun,
but
on
this
photo
on
the
bottom
left.
There's
these
concrete
blocks
up
underneath
it.
So
I
initially
had.
B
I
changed
my
staff
report
a
couple
of
times
the
last
day,
or
so
I
first
wrote
my
stack
report
to
say
I
didn't
have
concerns,
and
then
I
wrote
them
to
say
that
I
did
have
some
question
marks
because
we're
unsure
of
the
vintage
of
this
building,
but
after
visiting
the
site
and
seeing
the
interior
honestly
there's.
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
way
that
this
structure
could
be
reused
realistically,
just
to
give
a
kind
of
example,
of
a
similar
situation.
B
We
had
maybe
three
or
four
years
ago
around
the
corner
from
this
house
on
west
chestnut
street.
We
had
a
similar
situation.
It
was
a
little
different
in
that
the
one
in
west
chestnut
had
a
shed
roof.
Where
kind
of,
if
you're
going
to
the
back
of
the
structure,
you
wouldn't
have
even
been
able
to
walk
in
and
stand
up
straight,
so
it
was
pretty
unusual,
but
the
commission
approved
for
it
to
be
removed
and
then
completely
rebuilt
as
well.
So
I
feel.
H
B
That's
the
that
I
support
that
at
this
point,
after
kind
of
learning
the
information
I
learned
today
about
this
structure,
so
I
am
recommending
that
that
the
new
structure
be
approved.
I
did
talk
with
the
holly
today
about
so
this
structure
is
located
about
maybe
12
inches
or
so
from
the
property
line,
and
while
the
underlying
zoning
does
allow
for
excess
new
accessory
structures
to
be
placed
six
feet
from
the
rear
and
side
property
boundaries,
as
some
of
you
probably
remember,
there
is
a
stipulation
in
the
udo.
B
That's
that's
kind
of
newer.
It's
a
flex
standard
that
allows
that
allows
structures
within
historic
districts
to
encroach
into
the
side
setback
and
for
accessory
structures.
It
can
encroach
into
that
setback
up
to
three
feet.
So
at
this
point,
I'm
not
sure
what
holly
would
like
to
do,
but
they
after
she
learned
that
she
thought
well.
Maybe
that
would
give
them
a
little
bit
more
square
footage
if
that
were
allowed,
if
they
were
allowed
three
more
feet
on
that
western.
On
the
western
side.
B
Let's
see,
it
probably
makes
more
sense
about
pull
the
site
plan
up,
but
you
can
see
here
where
they've
they've
located
the
new
structure
six
feet
from
the
property
line,
but
if
they
could
extend
that
three
more
feet,
that
would
give
them
a
little
bit
more
square
footage
if
you
all
were
comfortable
with
that.
So
that's
the
only
other
thing.
I
could
think
that
we
that
we
talked
about
I
do.
I
did
ask
for
some
additional
information.
B
That's
noted
in
the
staff
report
and
holly
sent
me
all
the
information,
including
the
window
specifications.
I
did
have
a
concern
about
the
entry
door
that
she
sent
me
today.
It's
a
masonite
door,
which
the
commission
has.
The
commission
has
only
allowed
wood
doors
on
on
new
construction
projects
and
then
I
did
also
note
that
the
that
the
siding
material
is
of
concern
to
me.
B
The
existing
structure
is
shakesiding
and
they're,
proposing
lap
siding,
and
I
understand
from
them
that
the
quilt
they
got
for
the
shake
siding
is
very
expensive,
which
I
totally
understand
and
I'm
sympathetic
towards,
but
and
maybe
there's
reason
to
be-
to
justify
lap
siding.
Since
the
existing
structure
has
horizontal
wood
siding,
but
generally
the
commission
has
required
that
siding
match
the
the
main
house-
and
you
know
the
commission-
has
allowed
synthetic
siding
if
that's
an
alternative
that
the
applicant
wants
to
consider.
B
So
that
was
something
I
noted,
but
either
way
noted
that
that
the
material
should
be
smooth
on
the
outside,
and
then
I
had
asked
for
rationale
about
mounting
the
mechanical
unit
on
the
structure.
Also
there's
so
it's
so
tight
between
the
existing
house
and
the
in
the
existing
structure.
I
and
there's
a
fence
there
in
between
the
two
structures.
I
don't
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
that
from
anywhere
and
it
would
prevent
having
to
pour
a
pad,
and
so
I'm
not
noting
that
as
a
concern.
B
And
just
to
add
a
little
more
context,
this
is
the
perspective
rendering
of
the
two
structures
together
the
existing
and
the
proposed.
So
I'm
going
to
let
the
applicant
speak
more
to
the
information
on
the
age
and
state
of
the
accessory
structure.
B
If
you
all
have
more
questions
about
that,
because
I
kind
of
did
all
the
sleuthing
that
I
could
and
I'm
not
an
expert
in
dating
buildings,
and
so
I,
but
after
again
after
seeing
especially
the
interior
in
person,
it
seems
clear
to
me
that
it's
not
it's
not
historic
in
the
state
that
it's
in
and
it
is
substantially
deteriorated.
B
So
with
that,
I
will
offer
to
answer
questions
if
you
all
have
any.
G
Alex
has
there
been
a
precedent
for
maybe
doing
a
half
of
shingle
above
the
fan
board,
since
the
original
garage
didn't
break
that
plane
quite
as
much
to.
P
G
Bring
in
an
element
of
shingle.
B
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
commonly
found
throughout
the
district,
so
if
you
all,
I
mean-
I
think
I
don't,
I
don't
have
a
strong
opinion
about
making
the
entire
structure
single.
I
think
that
is.
That
is
a
good
idea
to
to
just
do
it
in
the
gable
end,
so
that
then
it
ties
it
to
the
primary
structure
a
little
bit
more
than
it
currently
does.
D
S
S
Sorry,
I
I
just
saw
a
comment
pop
up:
I'm
not
sure
I
so
the
house
next
door
that
you
can
see
here
on
the
picture.
That
is
also
like
half
shake
and
half
clapboard
so
that
that
could
tie
in
architecturally
there
as
well,
but
the
in
talking
to
my
builder.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
want
to
know
more
about
what
what
he
said
about
the
structure
as
it
is,
but
he
gave
some
other
I
I
spoke.
S
He
actually
came
by
again
this
afternoon,
alex
after
after
you
came
and
took
another
look,
and
he
said
you
know,
the
studs
are
are
full
of
termites
and
they
appear
to
be
pine
and
one
and
a
half
by
three
and
a
half
inch,
studs
and
and
that
isn't
in
keeping
with
historic
construction
style
and
then
the
back,
the
back
wall
of
the
building
is
plywood
and
the
inside
the
ceiling
is
obviously
it's
got
barcodes
on
it
and
looks
like
came
from
home
depot
or
something
so
there's
and
then
the
cinder
blocks
in
the
foundation.
S
So
it
you
know
anybody
who's
been
in
this
place
or
looked
at
it
kind
of
doesn't
feel
it
seems
like
it
doesn't
feel
original
or
maybe
some
of
the
siding
could
have
been
original,
like
the
german
siding,
but
that's
only
part
of
the
building
so
yeah
I
don't
know.
Does
anyone
have
questions
for
me.
G
S
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
A
Okay,
we
will
close
the
floor
for
public
comment.
Commissioners,
let's
discuss.
A
Well,
I
tend
to
agree
with
you.
It
does
sort
of
feel
like
if
you
look
at
the
sort
of
side
photograph
of
the
garage
that
there's
someone
sort
of
made
it
longer
at
some
point.
You
can
sort
of
see
that
joint
right
there
and
then
might
explain
the
back
side.
I
mean
the
garage
is
clearly
in
very
terrible
shape.
A
A
A
G
Yeah,
I
agree
that
and
I
think
the
plan
for
the
adu
is
in
keeping
with
the
house
in
its
simple
form,
and
maybe
we
can
discuss
the
bull,
the,
whether
cedar,
shake
or
comes
back
in,
but
it's
an
improvement
on.
What's
there
from
the
garage
from
an
old
vinyl
garage
door
from
the
street
view.
F
Before
we
get
into
the
new
construction,
I
just
had
one
question
about
the
demolition.
The
shed,
I
mean
agreeing
with
everything.
Everyone
is
saying
it
looks
very
cobbled
together
and
not
components
of
great
age,
but
not
the
whole
thing.
Has
there
been
any
consideration
of,
if
possible,
perhaps
offering
some
of
the
wider
board
materials
for
reuse,
recycle
of
doom,
some
deconstruction?
And
some
of
that
I
don't
know
it's
hard
to
tell
from
the
photos.
G
G
Up
but
I'm
sure
there's
some
salvageable
wood
above
two.
S
We
haven't,
we
hadn't
taken
it
that
into
consideration
with
looking
at
this
plan,
but
that
would
be
something
that
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
to
look
at
a
way
to
to
try
to
reuse.
Some
of
that.
A
lot
of
it's
just
really
not
not
cute.
A
I
want
to
talk,
maybe
a
little
bit
about
placement
of
of
the
structure
and
sort
of
looking
between
the
existing
location
of
the
existing
garage,
which
is
obviously
really
close
to
that
to
the
property
line
and
the
sort
of
response
that
the
new
that
the
new
plan
shows,
which
sort
of
honors
that
side
set
back
holly.
Is
it
your?
A
It
would
be
your
intention
if
we're
in
a
sort
of
an
agreement,
to
move
closer
to
the
side
property
line
by
making
the
footprint
bigger
or
scooting
the
footprint
closer
to
the
property
line
on
that
sort
of
side
that
it's
closest
to.
S
So
it's
a
good
question
alex
just
brought
it
up
today
as
something
that
might
be
possible.
We
had
designed
this
with
the
the
thought
that
we
needed
to
be
six
feet
off,
that
property
line
to
the
side,
and
so,
if
we
had
a
little
bit
more
space
it
I
don't
know
I
kind
of
want
to
talk
with
the
architect
about.
S
A
I
mean
I,
I
have
a
real
strong
appreciation
for
the
size
and
scale
of
the
adu
and
its
closeness
to
the
you
know
to
the
size
of
the
garage,
just
in
sort
of
comparing
the
two
site
plans
together,
and
I
think
that
we
often
there's
certainly
a
a
pretty
modern
intention
to
make
ads
as
big
as
as
possible,
with
the
sort
of
you
know,
airbnb
in
this
kind
of
guest
house
approach,
which
is
a
little
bit
off
topic
of
what
the
adus
really
were
in
historic
montford.
A
In
contrast
to
some
some,
that
we
sort
of
look
at
that's,
really
sort
of
fighting
the
scale
and
size
requirements
for
these
and
how
they
relate
to
the
to
the
overall
massing
of
the
big
house.
So
I
really
appreciate
that-
and
I
would
you
know
from
my
standpoint.
A
One
or
two
feet
probably
doesn't
make
a
huge
difference
if
that
wants
to
get
a
little
bit
bigger,
but
I
have
sort
of
an
appreciation
for
it
in
the
size
and
scale
that
it
is
and
the
in
keeping
with
the
sort
of
story
and
a
half.
I
think
that's
that's
really
clear
in
this
proposal.
That's
another
concern
that
we
often
address
and
talk
about
when
we're
when
we're
looking
at
applications
for
accessory
structures.
A
That's
a
that's
one
that
we
wrestle
with
pretty
often,
and
I
think
that
one
is
also
pretty
clear
in
this
proposal,
and
so
I'm,
I
think,
pretty
comfortable.
I'm
a
little
bit
would
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
of
sort
of
what
happens
kind
of
on
the
back
edge
of
the
property.
A
You
know
there's
some
some
paving,
obviously
between
the
garage
and
the
main
house
and
then
there's
sort
of
a
shared
driveway
behind
there
and
is
comfortable
with
the
relationship
of
the
adu
to
that
shared
driveway.
It's
kind
of
moving
a
little
bit
closer
to
that
compared
to
the
existing
the
existing
garage.
P
D
E
E
Concerns
yeah,
I
would,
I
would
just
mirror
that
I
I
also
appreciate
the
scale
as
proposed
and
I
think
it's
very
appropriate
to
the
site.
I
wouldn't
be
bothered
by
like
an
extra
foot
or
so
or
just
scooting
it
further
toward
the
property
line.
I
think
either
of
those
would
be
fine.
A
Other
commissioners,
I
think
we
still
want
to
maybe
talk
about
the
shakes
on
the
main
house
and
the
sort
of
difference
between
the
two.
S
Yes,
there
is
a
little
pendant
to
match.
What's
going
on
by
the
back
door
of
my
house,
okay,
and
I
think
it's
in
the
application.
B
Holly,
can
I
ask,
did
you
all
and
you
may
not
have
because
you
probably
assumed
that
had
to
match
exactly,
but
did
you
get
a
any
cost
info
on
synthetic
shake
versus
wood.
S
My
builder
was
kind
of
thinking
that
the
the
siding
sometimes
looks
better
than
synthetic
shake
it's
hard
to
put
synthetic
shake
next
to
real
shake
and
have
it
not
look
kind
of
fake,
but
maybe
I'm
wrong
about
that.
I
don't
know
a
lot
about
about
it.
B
But
I
think
you're
right,
especially
given
how
dominant
of
a
architectural
kind
of
character
the
shape
gives
to
the
your
house
and
that
it
is
a
natural
color
and
makes
it
even
more
dominating.
So
I
tend
to
agree
that
it
probably
wouldn't
work
for
this
structure
to
do
synthetic.
I
just
was
curious
kind
of
to
know
if
that
had
been,
if
you
guys
had
even
looked
at
that
as
maybe
something
you
wanted
to
do,.
S
H
S
A
I
wonder
if
there's
a
you
know:
well,
your
idea
about
putting
shakes
and
up
in
the
gable
is
kind
of
intriguing
to
me
as
a
way
to
maybe
make
that
connection
back
to
the
main
house
in
a
more
budget.
Budget-Conscious
way
where
we
didn't
have,
you
didn't,
have
shakes
sort
of
everywhere.
I
think
there's
some.
You
know
the
change
in
detailing
what
we
don't
see
on
the
main
house
is
that
sort
of
van
board,
at
the
eve
of
that
gable,
is
not
a
real
strong.
A
If
I
go
back
and
kind
of
make
sure
I'm
saying
the
right
thing
before
I
talk
about
this,
you
know
there's
certainly
a
strong
horizontal
on
the
front
with
the
porch.
You
know
with
the
sides.
You
know
the
side,
gables
don't
have
that
strong
sort
of
horizontal,
and
it
feels
like
it's
appropriate
for
this
accessory
structure
and
that
that
might
be
a
graceful
way
to
transition
between
shakes
sort
of
in
the
top
at
the
gable
at
the
gable
and
this
sort
of
shed
dormor
on
the
side
and
then
the
lap
siding.
G
Yeah
alex,
if
you
scroll
up
to
picture
slide
15
you
see
the
front
of
the
house
kind
of.
G
Band
board
slightly:
well,
that's
the
wrong
picture.
The
one
in
the
packet
on
exhibit
d
kind
of
shows
it
better
that
up
under
the
porch
is
a
there.
It
is
that
yeah,
I
kind
of
like
the
idea,
such
a
beautiful
house,
I'm
so
happy
to
see
this
house
and
the
color
is
really
nice,
but
that
doesn't
have
to
do
with
anything.
G
But
I
do
think
that
even
in
the
popped
out
window,
even
if
just
some
piece
of
the
main
house
got
over
there-
and
I
completely.
L
G
With
your,
the
assessment
of
your
builder
on
you've
got:
isn't
it?
Is
it
fiberboard
that
you're
putting
up
as
the
on
the
lower
on.
S
On
the
garage,
yes,.
G
Or
I
get
confused
a
little
or
I
flail
back
and
forth,
so
I'd.
J
E
I
think
I
may
have
a
slightly
different
perspective
than
a
couple
of
the
other
commissioners,
since
it
is
going
to
be
a
new
structure.
E
I
it
would
be
my
opinion
that
keeping
it
all
with
the
lap
siding
and
the
you
know
is
if
it's
going
to
be
like
fiberboard
or
just
the
horizontal
lap.
Siding
is
probably
what
I
would
do
to
differentiate
it
from
the
historic
home,
but
you
could
you
could
use
the
color
scheme
to
tie
the
two
together
with
your
your
trim.
Color,
perhaps
that's
that's
my
insight.
A
S
You
know
I,
I
certainly
want
the
house
to
feel
I
certainly
want
the
the
cottage
to
feel
as
authentic
as
possible.
I
guess
my
concerns
are
you
know,
one
is
cost,
and
the
builder
kind
of
quoting
me
with
with
real
cedar,
shake
three
to
four
times
what
the
lap
siding
would
cost.
S
And
then
you
know:
if
we're
not
going
to
use
real
cedar
shake,
then
the
synthetic
possibly
looking
like
it's
just
it's
trying,
but
it's
not
right.
It's
not
really
there,
and
I
don't
I'm
just
concerned
with
with
that
look,
and
so
so
those
would
be
my
concerns
that
the
other
thought
would
be
if
we
were
to
use
real
cedar
shake
and
try
to
really
make
it
look
like
the
other,
the
larger
house.
S
Would
it
be
okay
to
just
use
it
on
above
the
gable
and
then
on
the
on
the
wall
facing
the
street
rather
than
all
the
way
around,
or
would
that
be
cheesy?
Looking,
I
don't
know,
yeah.
N
A
A
I
don't
know
to
the
extent
I
think,
there's
been
a
lot
of
feedback
about
from
commissioners
that
seeing
some
shakes
would
be
would
be
nice.
I
don't
know
that
I
heard
a
lot
of
comments
from
commissioners
that
not
having
shakes
would
be
a
deal
breaker
necessarily
so
it
might
be
good
commissioners,
if
you,
if
you
really
got
a
strong
feeling
that
that's
really
the
only
way
the
project
should
move
forward,
is
with
shakes
in
a
configuration
like
we've
been
discussing,
or
if
anybody
feels
strongly
that
it
is
a
deal
breaker.
A
J
A
That's
gonna
be
supportive
yeah.
I
tend
to
feel
the
same,
and
I
I'm
looking
sort
of
at
the
difference
in
photographs.
You
know
on
the
the
darker
sides
of
the
house
on
the
main
house.
You
know
you
certainly
lose
some
of
the
texture
and
the
detail
of
the
shakes
with
the
dark
color
of
the
house
in
the
first
place,
and
I
wonder
if
there's
you
know,
certainly
the
sunny
and
that
nice
front
front
house
front
of
the
house
photograph
with
the
sun
hitting
it.
A
You
see
a
lot
of
really
rich
texture
and
of
the
shakes
which
is
very
charming.
You
know,
is
it?
Is
it
enough
to
to
really
make
a
strong
enough
impact
that
it's
really
necessary?
B
You
all
think
there's-
and
I've
maybe
mentioned
this
briefly
earlier,
but
I
mean
granted
we're
not
sure
when
the
existing
structure-
that's
there
was
put
there,
but
do
you
think
there's
any
case
to
be
made
that
since
it's
you
know
horizontal
siding
at
this
point
that
you
guys
could
support?
H
G
Brought
up
before
on
roof
forms,
materials
and
details
compatible
with
the
main
building
we're
starting
over
and
with
the
building
that
some.
H
G
G
It's
pretty
clear
on
on
using
materials,
compare
compatible
with
the
main
building.
G
Is
that
how
you
read
that
alex
when
you
were.
B
B
Having
said
that,
having
allowed
synthetic
materials
on
these
new
construction,
but
I
was
just
asking
that
as
maybe
a
way
you
know,
since
there
is
an
existing
structure
that
does
have
horizontal
siding
as
a
way
to
justify
the
new
structure
having
horizontal
lap
siding
that
it
was
just
an
idea.
It's
not
more
of
a
question
to
you.
G
Right,
but
at
one
story
garage
now
being
a
one
and
a
half
story:
adu,
it's
kind
of
changing
a
bit
of
it's
moving
to
a
carriage
house
or
cottage
like
the
applicant,
was
saying
that's
kind
of
how
I
I
feel
it
needs
to
have
a
lit
just
that
we
to
justify
the
this
in
the
standards,
make
sure
that
carries
into
the
into
the
neighborhood.
A
We
have
a
pretty
pretty
large
pile
of
very
conflicting
information
and
including
no
thank
you
to
the
sanborn
maps
which
just
which
don't
seem
to
clarify
much
of
anything
for
us,
especially
if
we
need
to
sort
of
interpret
what
they
meant
when
they
republished
something
years
later,
and
there
it's
mysteriously
there.
A
You
know,
I
part
of
me
wonders
if,
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
diminutive
scale
of
the
accessory
structure
in
comparison
to
the
house,
if,
if
the
sort
of
shakes
a
lot
of
shake
signing,
is
going
to
be
sort
of
too
much,
you
know
we
often
see
the
adus
with
sort
of
diminutive
window
detailing
in
comparison
to
the
main
house,
with
less
lights
and
less
kind
of
ornate.
A
You
know
shakes
maybe
too
much
all
over
the
whole
house,
but
I
guess
I
am
leaning
towards
I'd
like
to
it
mean
it
would,
I
think,
there's
a
consistency
in
the
standards
that
we
have,
that
we
are
helped
by
shakes
in
sort
of
referencing
back
to
the
standards
will.
A
So
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
there
in
sort
of
seeing
that
you
know
going
back
to
kind
of
seeing
the
shakes
on
the
gable
and
on
that
dormer
kind
of
on
both
sides
there,
but
I'm
not
sure
I
can
get
behind
it
being
a
complete
deal
breaker
if
it's
not
there
either.
D
B
I
will
just
say
that
I
obviously
we
can
all
appreciate
cost
for
any
project,
especially
construction.
These
days,
but-
and
I
I
know
you
all
are
understanding
of
of
you-
know-
trying
to
be
understanding
of
property
owners
and
their
their
needs.
But
I
will
just
say
that
that,
like
your,
your,
your
decision
has
to
ultimately
be
based
on
the
standards.
A
Well,
holly:
I
want
to
certainly
be
respectful
of
your
efforts
and
your
you
know
and
not
sort
of
directing
you
in
a
direction
that
you
don't
have
all
the
information
that
you
need
to
make
the
right
decision
either.
If
there's
you
know
more
budgeting
and
costing
that
might
need
to
be
done
on
your
end.
We
certainly
don't
want
to
put
you
in
a
position
to
commit
to
something
that
you
that
you
haven't
fully
vetted
either.
A
You
know,
I'm
struggle
a
little
bit
with
what
the
best
next
steps
are,
alex
and
being
sensitive
to
to
maybe
some
information
holly
that
you
still
need,
but
also
being
sensitive
to
the
approval
process,
and
you
know
what
happens
if
we
extend
this
out
another
month
and
until
you
can
make
maybe
a
more
firm
decision.
Holly.
I
B
Come
and
that
maybe
we
should
wait
another
month
if
her
builder
couldn't
come,
but
and
that
didn't
seem
ideal,
but
I
would
say,
like
nothing's,
really
going
to
change
right,
even
if
she
goes
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
like
prices
that
out
prices
out
doing
shape.
Just
on
the
second
story,
I
don't
know
that
that
really
change
will
change
much
in
terms
of
your
decision.
B
B
I
think
that
I
I
know
that
there
have
been
not
very
many
commissioners
that
have
spoken
up,
so
maybe
if
we
can
kind
of
hear
from
everyone
to
get
your
thoughts
and-
and
if
I
think
I
that
would
be
my
thought
is
that
it
would
be
best
to
find
consensus
today,
because
otherwise
we're
going
to
kind
of
go
through
the
same
conversation
in
a
month
and
yeah.
I
think
we
could
probably
get
it
taken
care
of
today.
L
E
I
also
agree:
I
think
that
the
the
design
of
the
building
is
acceptable,
even
if
it's
all
lap
siding,
but
the
element
of
adding
a
little
bit
of
shake
would
be
preferable.
Q
P
Q
B
I
could
just
offer
two
from
a
process:
standpoint.
Holly,
you
know.
One
option
is
certainly
to
continue
to
just
go
think
about
what
you
want
to
do,
or
you
could
say:
okay,
I'm
fine
with
amending
my
application
to
make
the
secondary
material
cedar
shingle
and
then
the
approval
happens
and
all
of
that
and
then,
if
you,
you
know,
go
back
to
your
builder
and
think
through
it
and
you
decide
you
want
to
change
it
back.
You
can
always
apply
for
an
amendment
to
the
ca
and
change
it
at
a
later
date.
E
B
B
Like
if
that,
if
it's
okay,
if
it's
the
consensus
that
everyone
is
okay
with
the
lap
siding,
then
I
think
you
know
you
all
should
proceed
as
is
that
it
sounds
like
there's
some
people.
You
know
maybe
a
couple.
People
who
feel
more
strongly
about
that
than
the
rest
of
everyone
seems
like
that's,
not
a
deal
breaker
for
me.
If
it's
not,
so,
if
that's
you
know,
if
the
majority
of
the
commissioners
think
it's
okay,
that
it's
all
lap
siding,
then
it
seems
like
we
have
a
way
forward,
but.
A
So
in
the
in
page,
93
item
8,
new
and
old
on
the
same
site,
the
only
historic
examples
of
this
in
the
neighborhood
are
out
buildings
such
as
garages,
carriage
houses
and
service
quarters
built
to
the
rear
of
main
buildings.
It
is
appropriate
for
the
newer
outbuildings
to
be
located
behind
and
be
smaller
and
similar
in
design.
B
Right
and
then
you've
got
all
the
all
the
all
the
standards
related
to
carriage
houses,
which
commissioner
hornaday
was
referencing
a
little
while
ago
that,
basically,
in
the
past,
we've
just
required,
you
know
accessory
structure
details
to
match,
for
the
most
part
you
know
match
would
be
simpler,
like
in
terms
of
fenestration
and
that
kind
of
thing,
especially
when
there's
a
main
house
like
this.
It's
got
real
decorative
windows.
B
I
can't
really
think
of
any
examples
where
the
commission
has
approved
for
an
entirely
different
siding
material
where
none
referenced
the
main
house.
However,
that's
kind
of
why
I
was
throwing
out
the,
and
maybe
that
just.
B
But
throwing
out
the
fact
that
the
existing
structure
has
the
horizontal
siding.
Currently
that
maybe
that's
the
way
you
support
it.
If
you
feel
like
it's
generally,
okay
with
you
that
the
the
new
structure
has
lap
siding,
but
if
you
feel
like
you
know,
the
only
way
to
meet
the
design
standard
is
to
have
a
siding
material
somewhere
on
the
structure
that
matches
the
main
house-
and
I
think
you
know,
then
that's
just
what
your
opinion
is.
But
I'm
not.
I
wasn't.
I
didn't
hear
that
from
all
the
commissioners.
F
B
There
is
a
there
is
a
standard
that
perhaps
you
could
pull
out.
That
says
if
an
original
carriage
house,
garage
or
other
accessory
structure
is
completely
missing,
replace
it
with
either
a
reconstruction
based
on
complete
on
accurate
documentation
or
a
new
design
compatible
with
the
historic
district
or
of
the
main
building
or
other
historic
accessory
structures
in
the
district.
M
G
Or
you
know,
I
I
think
if
I,
if,
if
I
was
the
architect
on
this,
I
would
have
and
it
was
an
original
it's
back
in
1895.
P
G
G
Of
the
main
house
on
this
and
it's
minor-
it's
not
the
overwhelmingness
of
a
full
cape
cod
cedar
shake,
but
something
and
I'm
guided
by
the
standards
to
say
that
look
to
the
main
house
to
have
something
here,
and
I
could
see
this
fitting,
and
I
agree
with
all
of
you
that
I
could
see
this
fitting
in
just
perfectly
the
way
it
is.
But
I'm.
G
A
I
mean
I,
as
I'm
there's
several
things
I
think
in
these
accessory
structure
standards
that
I
am
feeling
more
comfortable
if
the
house
doesn't
have
shakes
on
it,
retain
and
preserve
historic
accessory
structures,
garages
and
out
building
materials
such
as
siding
masonry,
roofing
materials
and
wooden
trim.
If
replacement
is
necessary,
use
new
materials
that
match
the
historic
materials
and
composition,
dimension,
shape
color
pattern
and
texture,
it
doesn't
really
isn't,
doesn't
really
clarify
where
you
pull
those
historic
materials
from
whether
it
be
the
main
house
or
the
the
historic
accessory
structure.
A
A
There
is
if
the
carriage
house
is
completely
missing,
replace
it
either
a
reconstruction
based
on
accurate
documentation
or
a
new
design
compatible
with
the
historic
character
of
the
main
building
or
other
historic
accessory
structures
in
the
district.
I
think
that
allows
us
to
look
more
broadly
than
just
the
house
for
our
guidance
on
how
that
would
look
and
certainly
there's
prevalence
of
lap
siding
throughout
the
district.
B
A
T
As
miss
mason,
would
you
have
a
lot
of
heartburn
if,
if
we
were
to
put
a
pin
in
this
and
say
we'd
like
to
see
shakes
up
in
the
gables
as
has
been
discussed,
or
would
you
really
really
really
really?
Rather,
we
just
put
the
pin
in
this
and
say:
let
you
do
it
as
originally
proposed.
I
think
that
will
help
us
settle
on
this.
S
T
Yes,
I
if
you're
agreeable
to
the
shake,
I
say
we
move
forward.
If
you
say
no,
I
really
don't
want
to
do
the
shake
enough.
People
have
said
we're.
You
know
we
can
live
with
this.
We
can
find
a
way
to
justify
this
in
some
way
or
another,
and
we
would
just
go
forward
with
that.
So
I'm
asking
you:
if
you
would
please
help
us
here
and
and
say
yeah,
I'm
willing
to
do
the
shake
or
no
I'm
not
willing
to
do
the
shake
and
it
was
going
to
hate
you.
S
S
Then
I
mean
I
guess
I
just
have
to
see
how
how
much
extra
over
you
know
over
what
I
was
thinking.
The
budget
would
be
like.
I
don't
know
how
ridiculous
or
how
delayed
like
getting
those
materials
could
be
so
that
those
are
my
concerns
with
it.
I
guess
I
I
I
would
be
willing
to
do
the
shake
if
it's
not
if
it's
not
crazy,
you
know,
especially
if
we're
just
talking
about
the
the
top
half.
S
I
think
it'd
be
kind
of
an
interesting
architectural
detail,
but
I
guess
I'd
I'd
love
to
have
approval
for
not
doing
the
shake
in
case.
It
is
a
major
obstacle
and
could
we
just
move
forward
with
the
project
anyway?
That
makes
sense.
B
I
think
probably
the
thing
that
makes
the
most
sense
as
far
as
how
to
proceed
then
would
be
to
approve
the
application,
with
the
shake
siding
on
the
second
floor
and
then,
if
you
holly
again,
if
you
get
into
the
you
know,
project
planning
and
you're
like
this
just
isn't
feasible
and
I
don't
want
to
do
this.
Then
you
submit
an
amendment
application.
S
A
B
And
the
conversation
might
be
the
exact
same
right.
We
might
have
to
hash
it
out
again
because
it
it
it's
just.
It
may
not
be
the
same
group
of
commissioners.
We
have
new
commissioners
all
the
time.
You
know
there
may
be
differing
opinions
or
interpretations
of
the
standards,
even
even
in
the
future,
and
that's
just
that.
Actually,
the
standards
are
set
up
that
way
to
help
property
owners.
B
You
know
so
that
there
is
kind
of
some
room
for
interpretation
by
the
commission
in
terms
of
of
what's
most
appropriate,
but
that's
why
I
was
saying
like
if,
if
there
are
enough
commissioners
that
that
feel
like
that,
the
shake
is,
you
know
critical
to
meeting
the
standards
that
you
all
should
be
clear
and
approve
that
now
I
that
it's
kind
of
an
unusual
situation
we
haven't
been
asked
before,
if
like
staff,
could
approve
that
after
the
you
know
after
the
fact,
it
would
be
kind
of
a
weird
thing
to
do,
since
it
would
still
be
a
question
mark
from
the
commission's
standpoint
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
the
entire
building
being
cited
in
lap,
siding
would
be
appropriate.
B
So
my
thought
would
be
you
all
either
approve
it,
as
you
know,
shake
on
the
second
story,
if
there's
enough
commissioners
who
feel
strongly
about
that
today
and
then
how
you
get
into
the
project
and
either
that
works
or
you
come
back
and
make
your
case
again
in
the
future.
For
it,
you.
N
P
B
Whenever
that
comes
up,
that
would
be
my
thought
unless
you
like,
you
said
it
could
just
go
to
a
vote.
S
A
I
yeah,
I
think
I
mean
maybe
the
best
summary
and
commissioners
you
can
help
me
if
I
misinterpret
what
we've
said,
or
you
said,
I
think
the
the
consensus
is.
Is
that
shakes
on
the
on
the
gable
and
the
dormer
absolutely
meets
the
standards
for
carriage
houses
and
accessory
structures
and
for
the
new
construction
standards?
I
think
there's
no
one.
A
That
would
argue
that
that
isn't
in
full
alignment
with
what
the
standards
say,
and
I
think
that
the
the
second
half
of
that
is-
is
that
there's
some
vague
language
in
the
accessory
structures,
guidelines
on
34
and
35
that
that
that
reference,
the
larger
context
of
the
historic
district
in
looking
for
influence
on
what
an
accessory
structure
should
look
like
in
the
district
that,
let's
that
gives
us
room
to
look
beyond
just
the
information
that
we
have
available
from
the
main
house.
A
And
I
don't
know
that
every
commissioners
really
weighed
in
on
whether
they
believe
that
that's
the
case
and
their
interpretation
of
the
of
the
the
guidelines,
which
would
be
a
sort
of
a
some
better
confirmation
on
approving
the
application.
As
is
so
commissioners.
I
don't
know
if
that's
if
I've
accurately
sort
of
summarized
what
everyone
has
said.
E
I
think,
given
the
fact
that
an
approval
of
you
know
the
shakes
in
the
in
the
dorm
in
the
gables
would
allow
the
applicant
to
begin
the
process
of
construction.
E
J
O
E
So
it
sounds
like
maybe
someone
will
make
a
motion
with
and
with
an
amendment
in
it.
S
Are
we
talking
about
if
what
tell
me
again
about
the
amendment.
A
So
the
amendment
would
state
that
you
would
like
to
change
the
siding
material
in
the
gables
and
the
dormer
to
cedar-shaped
siding
to
match
the
house.
That
would
be
the
design
change
that
you
want
to
make,
and
it
would.
A
We
would
consider
the
motion
with
that
amendment
in
place
and
then
you
would
or
that
change
in
place,
and
then
you
would
a
later
date
if
you
need
to
make
a
change
to
what
we
approved
to
go
back
to
lap
siding
because
you've
encountered
an
obstacle
in
inside
the
project
budget
or
you
know,
supply
chain
issues,
material,
availability
or
whatever
those
obstacles
are,
and
you
want
to
change
back
to
lap
siding.
You
could
amend
it
at
a
later
date,
going
back
through
the
application
process
for
an
amendment.
A
Q
S
Yes,
I'm
okay
with
that,
can
it
be?
Can
we
also
consider
if
there
are
any
synthetic
versions
of
the
the
shake
that
look,
not
super
cheap,
okay,.
A
B
Level,
the
other
thing
just
real,
quick,
the
door
I
mentioned
there.
The
door
that
was
submitted
was
today
is
masonite
and
that
the
commission
has
only
allowed
wood
doors,
so
we
would
also
need
a
revised
spec
for
that,
too.
G
B
S
G
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion.
Are
you
ready,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
in
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
application
and
project
description?
Three
pages
exhibit
b
new
construction,
worksheet,
four
pages,
exhibit
c
plans
and
renderings
eight
pages
exhibit
d
photos
of
property.
G
The
new
photos
that
you
just
took
today,
yes,
okay
e
material
specifications,
13
pages,
exhibit
f
sanborn
1917
fire
insurance
map
exhibit
g
1915
insurance
map
exhibit
h.
1951
sandboard
map,
which
is
a
reproduction
of
the
1925
map,
exhibit
I
the
1925
sandborn
got
all
those
maps
in
there
alex
that's
nice
sanborn
fire
insurance
exhibit
j
additional
photos
of
subject:
property
10
pages
taken
by
sapphireness
january
12,
2022
exhibit
k
entry
door
specifications
three
pages
received
january
12th,
2022,
exhibit
l
email
from
contractor,
received
january
12
2022.
G
And
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
property
by
mall
members
accepting
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following.
The
application
is
to
demolish
existing
one-story
324
foot
accessory
structure
in
the
rear
yard.
Construct
new
one
story
for
152
square
foot
accessory
structure
in
the
same
location
structure
will
have
a
smooth
lp,
smart
side.
Lap
siding
with
five
inch
reveal
cedar,
shakes,
siding
above
that
and
on
dormer
smooth
lp,
smart
side
trim
with
five
inch
reveal
and
gaf
timberline
asphalt,
shingle
roof
and
charcoal
color
windows.
C
P
G
G
Okay,
new
22
inch
by
26
and
a
half
inch
by
12,
dalkin,
mini
split
unit
will
be
taken,
will
be
bracket
mounted
to
the
south
elevation
and
will
screen
by
small
shrubs
from
the
month
for
recommended
species
list.
If
architectural
resources
are
discovered
during
site,
work,
work
will
cease
until
staff
have
been
notified,
an
inspection
of
site
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
G
All
permits,
variances
and
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence
that
the
standards
for
demolitions
on
page
60
to
61,
non-contributing
structures
on
page
68,
69,
carriage
houses,
garage
and
accessory
structures
on
page
34,
35
utilities
and
mechanical
systems
on
page
8283
lighting
on
pages
42
and
43
in
archaeology.
G
On
pages
32
and
33
in
the
montford
historic
design
review
standards
adopted
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9
2019
reused
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons:
structured
to
be
demo,
a
structure
to
be
demolished
is
not
original
to
the
site.
It's
not
consistent
with
the
style
and
detail
of
the
main
house
and
is
in
a
state
of
significant
disrepair.
G
Two
accessories
struck,
a
new
accessory
structure
has
a
traditional
roof
form
materials
and
details
are
compatible
with
the
main
building
and
other
accessory
structures
in
the
district.
P
G
Structure
is
cited
in
a
location
that
is
in
keeping
with
the
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
relationship
to
primary
structures.
Traditional.
G
Than
one
and
a
half
stories,
e
mechanical
unit
will
be
located
on
side
elevation
and
screened
with
plantings.
G
Number
four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
a
special
historic
character
of
the
montford
historic
district.
P
G
Based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
the
reasons
set
forth
there
and
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions,
one
following
condition:
one
that
the
shake
siding
and
revised
door.
Specific
specification
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval.
P
A
B
Yes,
I
am
going
to
turn
it
over
to
jillian
phillips.
She
is
the
long-range
planning
manager
with
buncombe
county,
and
she
is
going
to
give
you
all
some
information
on
the
buncombe
county,
comprehensive
plan
update
that
is
either
underway
or
about
to
be
underway.
It
is.
U
U
U
I
am
going
to
ask
you
to
engage
with
my
google
slide
set,
so
I'm
going
to
drop
in
the
chat,
a
link
to
the
google
slide
set
and
you're
going
to
leave
it
on
the
edit
edit
mode,
and
I
will
tell
you
when
to
move
through
the
slides.
Does
that
make
sense
to
everyone?
I
know
it's
a
little
different,
I'm
trying
to
make
it
more
interesting
for
you,
so
you
don't
fall
asleep.
U
U
U
U
Everybody
got
that
okay.
So
with
that,
I'm
gonna
have
everybody
move
to
slide
two,
and
this
is
the
interactive
part.
I
just
want
everyone
to
put
their
name,
and
in
this
case
you're
all
you
know
your
profession
or
something
you
want
to
tell
us
about
yourself
and
then
one
thing
you're
looking
forward
to
for
spring.
U
I'll
give
you
guys
a
few
more
seconds,
but
it
looks
like
everybody's
got
the
idea
of
interacting
with
the
slides
and
it
looks
like
we
have
some
gardeners
in
the
group
which
I
am
not
a
gardener
and
it
looks
like
we
are
good
to
move
to
slide
three.
U
So
this
is
just
our
very
short
agenda
today
regarding
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
what
we're
going
to
be
asking
for
you,
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
what
a
comprehensive
plan
is,
I'm
going
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
planning
process
and
project
type
timeline,
and
then
I'm
going
to
start
asking
you
for
some
information
and
that
information
will
be
collectively
put
into
a
survey
using
our
public
input
software
for
the
historic
resources
commission
as
a
whole.
Okay.
U
So
what
is
a
comprehensive
plan,
I'm
assuming
that
you
guys
probably
had
something
to
do
with
the
city
of
asheville's
comprehensive
plan
that
they
just
did,
but
just
to
review
a
comprehensive
plan
is
a
20-year
vision
for
the
county.
U
U
It
will
help
guide
growth,
it
will
address
community
needs
and
wants,
and
it
will,
most
importantly
for
you
guys,
identify
vision,
policies,
strategies
and
actions
for
the
the
county
and
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
it
fits
in
with
sort
of
the
other
plans
we
always
hear
about
and
how
counties
use
it.
We
like
to
call
this
the
planning
cycle,
so
your
number
one
is
you
set
policy
priorities
and
that's
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it
can
be
other
plans
number
two.
You
set
your
work
priorities
through
your
strategic
plan.
U
U
U
U
We
created
the
branding
and
website.
We
worked
out
project
management
and
engagement
plans,
so
we
are
continue.
We
are
currently
in
phase
two,
which
is
our
establishing
the
visions
and
goals
and
we're
gonna
assess
existing
conditions,
identify
future
planning,
influences,
develop
plan
framework
and
visions
and
goals,
and
that
is
our
first
community
engagement
window.
We
have
our
first
virtual
meeting
coming
up
at
the
end
of
january
next
week
and
then
february,
hopefully
covid
willing.
U
If
covent
numbers
go
down,
we
will
have
a
set
of
in-person
engagement
near
the
middle
of
february,
so
everyone
move
to
slide
seven,
and
at
this
point
I'm
gonna
ask
I'm
gonna.
Ask
you
all
if
you
have
any
questions
about
the
comp
plan
and
if
you
would,
if
you
would
just
type
them
into
the
little
white
boxes
on
the
slides.
U
U
Okay,
so
I
think
we
have
our
last
question
being
typed.
So
I'll
start
with
this
first
question:
what
exactly
would
you
like
from
us
as
part
of
this
process?
We've
identified
a
bunch
of
boards
and
commissions
and
stakeholder
organizations
that
we
are
requesting
input
from
so
in
the
next
series
of
slides,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
a
series
of
questions,
the
big
one
being
we're
gonna.
U
What
the
consultants
and
staff
are
asking
for
is
for
your
commission
to
come
up
with
three
big
ideas
that
you
want
to
make
sure
that
our
it's
part
of
the
input
for
the
comp
plan
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask
you
two
other
questions
related
to
that.
U
U
So
resources
in
general,
it
can,
if
that
is,
why
we're
asking
for
feedback
from
you
and
if
there
is
a
public
will,
if
you
want
to
say
through
our
public
input,
to
conserve
historic
buildings,
or
we
talk
a
lot
about
character,
there's
been
a
discussion,
a
lot
about
characters,
especially
in
buncombe
county
in
our
rural
areas
and
preserving
that
character,
so
that
could
directly
relate
to
historic
resources
in
those
areas.
U
So
will
the
historic
preservation
master
plan
for
asheville
and
buncombe
county
be
referenced
as
part
of
this
process
as
part
of
this
process,
the
consultants
are
reviewing
plans
and,
if
I'm
not
sure,
if
they
looked
at
that
one
or
not,
but
if,
if
your
staff
would
like
to
send
it
to
me,
I
can
make
sure
that
they
get
a
hold
of
it
and
it's
part
of
that
policy.
Analysis
they're,
completing
right
now,.
U
U
In
the
team's
chat
or
I'm
sorry
in
the
google
meeting
chat-
and
this
is
our
website
and
on
our
website,
we
have
a
newsletter
that
we're
sending
out
weekly.
We
have.
We
have
a
public
input
portal
with
a
bunch
of
activities
and
through
that
public
input
portal
we
have
our
in-person
meetings,
but
also
our
virtual
meetings,
we're
gonna.
U
We
are
currently
building,
but
it
will
be
completely
built
out
after
our
first
virtual
meeting,
an
option
for
people
to
run
through
the
activities
for
this
first
phase
by
themselves
online
through
public
input,
and
we
are
trying
to
get
the
word
out.
We
sort
of
had
a
hiccup.
We
had
these
meetings
scheduled
for
january
and
we
had
to
reschedule
everything
so
you're
gonna
see
hopefully
in
the
community
at
our
libraries
at
grocery
stores,
the
posters
we're
gonna
put
up,
but
we
just
rescheduled
all
the
meetings,
so
we're
we're
gonna
start
doing
that.
U
U
If
the
big
endemic
continues
through
this
process,
will
there
be
any
in-person
input
sessions?
So
we
currently
have
in-person
input
sessions
scheduled
for
the
second
and
third
and
fourth
week
of
february,
but
we
are
watching
what
the
omicron
variant
is
doing
and
if
we
have
to
cancel
them
we
will
cancel
them
and
then
re-evaluate
what
is
the
best
and
safest
option
to
get
public
input.
We
are
all
hoping
for
best
case
scenario
that
the
numbers
go
down
and
we
can
have
those
meetings
in
person.
U
We
want
to
try
to
make
them
as
we
will.
We
will
make
them
as
safe
as
possible,
but
if
it
looks
like
the
numbers
are
continuing
the
trend
of
going
up,
then
we
will
have
to
re-evaluate,
and
that
would
be
a
decision
higher
than
me
at
the
management
level
and
the
commissioner
level
of
what
we
wanted
to
do.
The
commissioners
really
would
like
to
see
some
in-person
public
engagement.
U
But
if
you
know,
if
covet
continues
the
way
it's
been
going
lately,
then
we
might
have
to
re
reevaluate
that
so
how
does
the
comprehensive
plan
affect
funding
opportunities
or
resources
within
the
county?
So
the
comprehensive
plan
is
a
really
broad
policy
document,
it's
a
20-year
document,
but
that
comprehensive
plan
and
what
the
community
has
said
is
important
to
them
feeds
into
our
strategic
plan
and
our
street
strategic
plan.
So
that's
your
five-year
plan,
you
have
you
do
every
five
years,
which
I'm
sure
the
city
of
asheville
does
one
feeds
into
your
budget.
U
So
it
affects
it
on
a
broader
level
by
setting
those
policy
priorities
and
then
it
feeds
into
the
strategic
plan
and
then
it
feeds
into
the
budget.
U
Is
there
a
state
deadline
to
complete
this?
Not
currently,
there
is
some
new
state
regulations
regarding
regarding
having
a
comprehensive
plan
in
order
to
be
able
to
have
a
have
zoning
regulations.
U
U
So
those
would
probably
cover
us
for
the
deadline
which
I
think
is
july
2022
for
the
state
for
having
a
comp
plan
in
place.
But
we
are
going
to
try
our
best
to
get
this
comprehensive
plan
done
by
that
point.
But
if
it,
if
it's
not,
that's,
not
that's
not
the
biggest
deal
and
the
commissioners
have
committed
to
making
sure
again
that
engagement
piece
that
all
all
our
residents
are
engaged.
U
U
And
I'll
make
this
quick,
because
I
think
we
answered
this
question:
what
are
we
asking
from
the
historic
resources?
Commission?
You
can
see
a
link
to
our
public
input,
page
our
engagement
portal
and
I
highly
suggest
you
take
a
look
at
it.
There's
some
there's
some
great
ways
to
engage
in
the
comp
plan.
Even
if
you
don't
want
to
attend
a
meeting,
but
as
part
of
that
public
input
engagement
portal,
we
have
this
stakeholder
survey,
so
we
can
move
on
to
what
the
information
I
am
going
to
ask
for
you.
U
So
is
it?
Should
the
comp
plan
address
providing
new
resident
recreational
amenities,
creating
a
more
equitable
community
working
lands,
fostering
economy,
fostering
community
health
planning
for
climate
resiliency
and
hazard
mitigation
planning
for
growth,
land
use,
housing
and
transportation,
advancing
education
and
upward
economic
mobility
of
residents,
protecting
the
environment,
planning
for
sustainable
infrastructure,
or,
if
you
think,
there's
something
that
is
missing
that
you
would
like
to
add.
You
can
go
on
to
one
of
those
other
cards
and
add
it.
U
U
U
U
U
U
U
Affordable
housing,
which
this
is
a
theme
we've
been
seeing
a
lot
through
this
process,
update
county-wide
architectural
survey,
clean
the
creek
streams
and
french
broad
river,
identifying
protecting
historic
areas
and
historic
areas
in
downtown
area
through
survey
and
districting.
Perhaps
job
education
outside
of
outside
of
colleges
and
opportunities
for
more
in
our
community
and
comprehensive
inventory
of
historic
resources
in
the
county,
protect
historic
fabric,
integrity
of
historic
community
resources.
U
So,
as
a
group,
you
all
need
to
sort
of
decide
what
your
three
biggest
priorities
are.
So
again.
This
is
where
the
dots
come
in,
if
everyone
would
take
a
dot
and
put
it
on
their,
what
they
think
is
the
best
to
identify
those
three.
M
U
U
So
it
would
cover
the
county
and
it
would
cover
general
policy
decisions
like
sidewalks.
You
know
sidewalk
policy,
but
as
far
as
development
regs
it
cannot
do
anything
or
or
zoning
rights
it
couldn't
do
anything
within
the
city
of
asheville.
It
could
only
do
things
outside
in
the
unincorporated
parts
of
the
county
and
I
sort
of
see
that
everybody
sort
of
changed
their
mind
with
that
one
when
we
said
that
so
it
looks
like
everybody
is
done,.
U
That,
first
one
new
definitions,
okay,
I
was
trying
to
figure
that
out
new
definitions
of
historic
districts,
areas
that
are
easier
to
achieve
and
maintain
county
survey
to
examine
historic
properties,
fully
funding
hrc
fully
each
year
complete
architectural
survey
and
document
documentation
of
county
resources
in
terms
of
historic
properties.
Is
that
what
that?
One?
Just
to
clarify
that
one?
Yes,
okay,
overlay
zoning
district
to
protect
historic
communities
and
then
solidify
relationship
between
hrc
and
county,
consistent,
reliable
impactful
funding
of
hrc.
U
U
This
is
just
some
resources
for
you,
for
you,
there's
there's
our
website
signing
up
for
our
weekly
e-newsletter.
U
Attending
one
of
our
public
input
meetings
or
sharing
your
input
online
and
if
everyone
would
just
move
to
slide
13,
this
is
the
long-range
planning
division
team.
It's
myself,
then
shannon
capizzelli
and
haley,
and
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
or
comments
or
need
any
information
at
all.
Regarding
the
comp
plan
reach
out
to
us,
and
just
before
I
leave
I'll
open
it
up.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
or
anything,
you
want
to
ask
me.
U
And
then
end
the
night.
Well,
thank
you
guys
so
much
for
sticking
in
there
with
me.
Thank
you
for
the
input.
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
your
staff,
but
again,
thank
you
so
much
for
hanging
in
there
and
doing
that
for
us.
Thank
you.
E
B
All
right
everyone,
I
have
some
questions
about
a
couple
of
the
comments
you
guys
made
just
now,
just
to
clarify
we
do
have
a
national
registered
district
downtown.
That
does
include
an
inventory
that
was
updated
about
10
years
ago.
So
it's
pretty
up
to
date.
B
That
is
not
the
same
thing,
obviously
as
a
local
district,
which
we
talk
about
every
now
and
then
as
far
as
maybe
designated
character,
areas
downtown,
but
it's
sort
of
a
hot
potato,
but
if
you
all
ever
have
any
questions
about
clarifying
on
the
different
types
of
designation
or
which
areas
have
been
inventoried
and
which
ones
haven't
just.
Let
me
know,
I'm
happy
to
point
you
to
some
gis
information.
You
can
look
at
if
you're
curious.
B
That
includes
the
entire
state
of
north
carolina,
where
you
can
see
all
the
resources
that
have
been
surveyed
designated
determined
to
be
eligible
for
listing
in
the
national
register,
etc.
So
I
can
certainly
send
a
link
out
to
that.
If,
if
you
guys
are
interested-
and
you
haven't
used
that
before
I'm
curious
about
the
definition
of
historic
districts,
whoever
made
that
comment.
T
That
was
me
alex.
What
I
was
trying
to
with
such
a
small
thing
is
to
say
we
have
these
large
cumbersome
district
things,
but
are
there
ways
of
protecting
smaller
areas
that
aren't
quite
as
restrictive
and
all
that
stuff?
So
there
are
ways
we
can
identify
areas
that
could
be
nurtured
and
tried
to
maintain,
because
often
area
like
kenilworth
is
a
great
idea
area.
T
So
I
know
that's
more
of
a
city,
but
there
could
be
some
county
examples
of
that
type
of
thing.
So,
looking
for
new
ways
of
saying,
there's,
either
an
all
or
nothing
way
of
having
a
local
or
a
federal
district.
Is
there
some
other
way?
We
can
look
at
trying
to
encourage
and
find
ways
to
protect
some
of
these
areas
without
creating
something
that
is
so
hard
to
to
achieve.
B
Yeah,
I
see
what
you're
saying
I'm
not
taking
bogus
down
with
this,
but
you
know
because
of
the
way
that
the
framework
is
written
for
districting
sort
of
like
we
have
to
have
this
contiguous
area.
It
has
to
have
be
defined
and
I
think,
to
some
extent,
every
neighborhood
neighborhood
is
going
to
have
infill.
You
know
whether
it
was
from
50
years
ago
to
yesterday.
B
I
think
it
just
is
kind
of
a
matter
of
interpretation,
of
how
much
infill
might
tip
a
scale
to
kind
of
then
like
break
up
a
district
where
it
couldn't
be
designated,
but
we
could
certainly
look
at
that
with
kennel
worth.
If
you
know
there
was
interest
in
the
neighborhood
on
doing
a
study
to
see
what
a
district
might
look
like
there,
because
I
don't
think
we've
we've
never.
B
B
G
To
be
as
restrictive
as
modford
or
you
know,
it
could
just
be
keep
the
front
a
facade
of
of
the
buildings
somewhat
similar.
I.
P
B
I
we
don't
have
any
districts
like
that
here,
obviously-
and
I
don't
know
I
can
reach
out
on
there-
there's
a
preservation
staff
listserv
for
the
state
of
north
carolina,
and
I
can
reach
out
on
the
lesser
to
see
if
there
are
any
examples
of
place
neighborhoods
where
there
are
like
kind
of
facade
protections.
If
you
will
versus,
I
think
there
I
think
I
have
heard
of
somewhere.
B
It's
like
the
whole
front,
half
of
the
house
instead
of
the
entire
house
and
then
there's
also
like
neighborhood
conservation
overlays,
which
is
like
way
lighter.
B
It
doesn't
affect
really
any
design
details
to
the
degree
that
a
historic
district
would
it
more
so
looks
at,
like
setback
building
orientation
height
those
types
of
like
really
kind
of
basic
form
type
things,
but
we
can
certainly
explore
that
if
there's
interest
in
kennel
worth-
and
we
have
a
new
staff
member
from
from
richmond
that
just
joined
us
about
a
month
ago,
and
so
I
was
kind
of
picking
his
brain
about
what
they
do
up
there
and
they
have
some
districts
where
they
were
looking
at
like
these
are
more
like
for,
like
underrepresented
communities,
that
have
lost
a
lot
of
integrity
and
are
experiencing
demolition
and
insensitive
info
like
burton
street
and
easton.
B
They
were
looking
at
at
perhaps
having
some
kind
of
overlay
where
only
to
not
burden
the
existing
homeowners.
Who
may
not
be
able
to
afford
the
you
know,
maintenance
of
you
know,
keeping
all
of
the
wood
windows
or
whatever
like.
Could
they
just
regulate
new
construction
in
those
districts?
So
the
new
construction
projects
were
consistent
with
the
architectural
character
of
the
historic
building.
So
I
thought
that
was
maybe
kind
of
an
interesting
thought.
B
So
I
know
that's
not
exactly
what
you're
getting
at
james,
but
we've
kind
of
been
I've
been
thinking
on
these
ideas
of
different
ways.
We
can
kind
of
be
more
creative
because
yeah,
the
traditional
framework,
work
of
preservation
and
districts
can
be
pretty
like
cumbersome
and
a
little
bit
hard
to
achieve
in
some
areas
where,
where
we
might
otherwise
want
to
so
so
thanks
for
bringing
that
up
and
for
clarifying
that's
helpful
food
for
thought
and
thanks
everyone
for
chiming
in
on
your
ideas
for
them,
I
think
you
know.
B
Obviously,
countywide
survey
is
awesome,
affordable,
housing
and
you
know
equitable
services.
Those
are
all
super
important
things,
so
I'm
glad
that
you
all
were
able
to
to
provide
input.
And
again
I
would
like
jillian,
you
know,
encourage
you
all
to
go
on
to
their.
You
know
virtual
platform
and
make
any
other
additional
comments
or
input
that
you
can.
So
thank
you
jill,
and
we
really
appreciate
you
being
here
with
us.
B
And
so
that's
kind
of
a
nice
tag
into
our
next
small
item
that
I
just
really
briefly
want
to
give
you
all
an
update
on
before
we
break
the
burton
street
survey
that
we've
been
working
on
since
spring
of
last
year.
We
are
almost
to
the
end
of
that.
B
We
we
had
to
give
a
little
bit
of
an
extension
to
the
consultant
to
work
on
the
draft
survey
report
so
hoping
to
have
that
by
the
end
of
next
week,
at
which
point
we'll
review
it
and
then
share
it
all
with
you
also
hoping
to
have
the
the
next
step
beyond
the
burton
street
architectural
survey.
Is
that
we're
going
to
create
a
pattern
book
for
the
neighborhood?
B
If
you
haven't
seen
a
pattern
book,
you
might
check
out
my
chat
home,
which
I
can
drop
drop
a
link
in
the
in
the
let's
see
if
I
can
find
it
in
the
chat.
B
It's
a
it's
chattanooga
they've
created
kind
of
a
digital
version
of
pattern
book
traditional
pattern,
books
tend
to
be
more
like
design
guidelines,
or
you
know,
paper
copy
and
really
expensive
to
pay
consultant
to
do
so.
B
We
have
this
cool
esri
story
map
software
that
we
can
use
to
create
an
interactive
version
where
what
we're
going
to
do
is
just
illustrate
the
common
building,
typologies
and
streetscape
features
and
kind
of
flesh
out
some
of
the
history
in
in
on
this
online
site,
where
you
can
kind
of
interact
with
a
map
and
look
at
the
different,
maybe
some
different
photographic
examples
throughout
the
neighborhood
and
our
goal
with
the
pattern
book
is
to
share
that
with
developers
so
that
they
can
kind
of
be
more
thoughtful
about
the
infill
development
they're.
B
Putting
in
that
neighborhood
it
like
many
of
our
other
neighborhoods,
has
no
offense.
If
anybody
loves
this
style,
I
don't
mean
this
in
a
negative
way
in
the
chicken
coop
houses
kind
of
tall
stilty
ones,
with
the
with
the
shed
roofs
on
them.
So
the
neighborhood
had
some
concerns
about
some
of
the
houses
that
were
going
up
in
that
in
their
neighborhood.
B
It's
a
legacy
neighborhood,
so
we're
helping
them
to
do
some
work
without
doing
a
full-blown
district
there.
That
would
kind
of
be
more
restrictive
on
the
property
owner,
so
so
that,
hopefully
we'll
we'll
get
started.
Working
on
the
pattern
block
here
later
in
the
year
and
that'll
be
a
pilot
for
us.
We've
never
done
that
before,
so
it
could
be
a
good
model
for
other
neighborhoods
too
and
yeah.
Then
the
african-american
heritage
survey
we
started
four
years
ago,
still
kind
of
lingering.
In
the
background,
we
haven't
gotten
the
the
draft.
B
The
final
revised
draft
back
from
the
consultant
who
was
working
on
all
the
revisions,
but
we
hope
to
have
that
in
the
very
near
future
as
well
to
share
with
you
all
and
then
and
then
publish
thanks
stacy,
just
posted
the
link
to
the
chattanooga
online
or
digital
pattern
book.
If
you
all
want
to
look
at
an
example
that
we're
kind
of
mimicking
our
work
on
so
any
questions
about
those
two
projects.
G
No,
but
on
burton
street
I
think
dwayne's
having
people
out
on
mlk
at
one
o'clock
on
bryant
street.
If
somebody
wants
to
on
monday
is.
P
G
A
major
event
alex
it's.
P
P
P
T
Only
mike
onstag
constant
yammering
about
let's
keep
an
eye
on
reparations
funding
and
any
way
we
can
help
weigh
in
with
the
reparations
committee
to
try
and
advocate
for
black
historic
resources
that
could
use
some
funding
for
preservation
like
the
ymi
and
and
similar.
B
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
brenda
mills,
who
is
our
equity
inclusion
director.
She
I
talked
to
her
a
little
bit
about
it
briefly.
The
other
day
and
they're
gonna
have
either
her
or
one
of
her
staff.
Members
are
gonna,
come
and
give
a
presentation
on
what
they
are
envisioning
for,
how
that
commission
will
work
and
what
the
priorities
they
think
will
be
for
that
funding.
So
look
for
that
on
the
agenda
sometime
soon.
B
B
She
reached
out
to
me,
because
there
was
a
a
little
house
on
map
street
in
the
east
end
that
was
proposed
for
demolition
as
part
of
an
infill
development,
and
one
of
the
reasons
she
heard
about.
It
is
because
there's
an
unopened
right-of-way
that
was
involved
and
they
always
have
to
weigh
in
on
whether.
B
Right-Of-Way
could
be
closed
permanently,
and
so
she
was
sad
to
hear
that
this
little
structure
was
going
to
be
demolished,
and
so
she
reached
out
to
me
and
asked
if
there's
anything
that
I
could
do
and
I
reached
out
to
the
preservation
society
and
they
stepped
in
then
learned
that
the
developer
was
planning
to
demolish.
B
Not
only
the
house
but
cappadocia,
which
is
a
1927
church
around
the
corner
and
psabc
was
able
to
talk
them
into
selling
the
property,
and
so
now
that
they
will
be
permanently
protected
and
the
plan
is
to
reuse
for
affordable
housing
for
both
structures.
So
hooray.
G
Thank
you
all
for
what
you
all
are
doing
on
that,
because
that
would
have
been
a
big,
a
big
tooth
taken
out
of
the
neighborhood,
which
is
pretty
freaking
intact
from
ridge
grail
max
it's
it's
on
the
there
needs
to
be
what
like
james
is
saying.
There
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
cobbling
together
a
conservation
district
that
works
for
that
community
to
stay
there.
After
what
they've
been
through
on
former
valley
street
anywho,
congratulations,
y'all
thank
y'all.
B
No
thanks
vote
here,
but
I'm
just
grateful
to
psabc
and
their
ability
to
get
stuff
done
because
they
really
are
out
there
doing
good
work
and
super
grateful
for
them.
So
and
then
we
also
internally,
I
talked
with
the
transportation
planner
I
mentioned
about.
We
have
a
broader
group,
that's
planning
services,
meaning
my
department
and
development
services
staff,
which
is
enormous.
They
have
like
over
50
staff
members,
not
all
of
them
join,
but
many
of
us
get
together
once
a
month
to
talk
about
random
stuff.
B
That's
going
on,
and
so
my
plan
is
to
bring
this
up
with
that
group
too,
so
that
they
we
can
all
try
to
keep
each
other
informed
when,
when
these
these
things
pop
up
and
and
people's
work,
so
that
you
know,
someone
can
know
that
there's
potential
for
demolition,
especially
in
our
underrepresented
neighborhoods.
So
you
can
try
to
do
something
about
it.