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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission – June 21, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Planning & Zoning Commission.
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A
B
C
A
Commissioner
president,
we
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you,
Mr
Palmquist.
We
have
two
items
on
the
agenda.
Unfortunately,
one
item
is
going
to
be
continued.
It
is
the
request
to
conditionally
rezone
property,
located
at
one
oak
street,
from
central
business
district
to
Central
business
district
expansion,
conditional
Zone,
it's
the
property
that
contains
the
First
Baptist
Church
and
the
YMCA
of
Asheville
otherwise
known
as
project
Aspire.
A
That
leaves
us
with
one
last
item
on
the
agenda.
This
is
actually
continuation
from
our
last
two
meetings,
both
the
May
3rd
and
the
June
7th
meeting.
It
is
a
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
7
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
revise
the
allowed
uses
table.
Planar
coordinating
review
is
Clay
Mitchell
Mr.
E
Churchill,
thank
you.
Commissioners
I
appreciate
that
you're
here,
even
though
you
had
the
large
application
continued.
This
is
a
project
that
that
I've
been
working
on
for
a
few
months
now,
with
with
Haley
and
with
all
staff,
both
at
DSC,
as
well
as
the
planning
and
Urban
Design
Department.
It
means
a
lot
to
all
of
us
because
it
helps
us
in
administrating.
E
Our
obligations
under
the
Udo
and
I
know
you've
been
through
this
a
couple
of
times
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
this
again
very
quickly
and
then
share
with
you,
some
updates
and
which
are
the
reason
why
we
had
to
continue
it
to
tonight's
meeting.
So
we
have
been
logging
needed
changes
to
the
Udo
for
quite
some
time,
and
a
lot
of
major
updates
are
needed.
E
However,
there
are
some
updates
that
can
take
place
now
that
are
are
not
very
substantive,
but
are
more
structural
or
formatting
in
nature
that
actually
have
a
significant
impact
on
our
ability
to
provide
the
services
that
we
do
and
the
one
that
immediately
floated
to
the
top
was
the
fact
that
we
have
essentially
four
Separate
Tables
in
the
Udo
that
describe
what
and
how
people
can
use
their
property,
and
it
creates
a
lot
of
confusion
for
residents,
and
it
creates
frustration
when
planners
who
understand
that
have
to
kind
of
correct
people's
expectations
about
what
use
is
allowed
and
what
district,
where
to
go,
to
find
it
and
importantly,
in
the
analysis
of
non-conforming
uses,
we
have
not
only
a
separate
table
of
uses,
but
it's
formatted
in
a
completely
different
way
than
other
Tables.
E
By
unifying
it,
everything
is
in
one
place,
everything
is
in
one
table,
it
can
be
extracted
and
moved
around
and
read,
and
it
provides
the
opportunity
for
us
if
we
do
want
to
make
amendments
to
the
uses,
whether
it's
the
definition
or
how
they're
treated
there's
only
one
place
to
go
in
the
past.
When
you
have
four
different
locations,
there's
been
a
disconnect
between
the
treatment
of
the
use
in
the
different
areas,
and
so
this
unification
corrects
some
of
that
disconnect.
E
We
feel
that
this
is
something
that
was
important
enough
to
take
up
our
time,
because
in
the
long
run
it
lessens
the
amount
of
time
sap
will
have
to
take
helping
people
lead
the
way
through
the
confusing
ordinance
as
it
stands
also,
unfortunately,
we're
still
not
sure
when
the
comprehensive
updates
to
the
udos
will
be
taking
place,
and
so
these
kind
of
changes
are
going
to
probably
become
a
little
bit
more
frequent,
because
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
well.
Let's
just
wait
till
we
do
the
comprehensive
Udo
update.
E
E
We
engaged
internally
on
this
project
because
the
the
intent
of
the
project
was
not
to
make
substantive
changes.
There
were
no
changes
to
the
wording
of
the
definitions.
Some
uses
in
you
know
were
were
merged.
E
For
instance,
in
one
table
we
had
a
use
called
clinic
and
in
another
table
we
had
to
use
called
a
health
clinic.
The
clinic
is
not
defined,
however
Health
Clinic
is
are
as
far
as
we
could
tell.
The
original
intent
was
that
clinic
was
actually
supposed
to
be
a
health
clinic,
so
we
eliminated
the
use
clinic
in
I,
think
it
was
a
river
Arts,
District
former
District
and
just
called
that
Health
Clinic
when
we
moved
the
terms,
so
we
didn't
have
to
create
a
health
clinic
and
then
a
clinic
in
it.
E
That
was
part
of
those
amendments
that
get
confusing
the
way
we
did
this
was
we
opened
up
the
table
to
everybody
in
the
planning
staff
and
had
people
put
comments.
There
were
58
threads
of
commentary
generated,
which
resulted
in
about
350
comments
on
how
to
deal
with
these
kind
of
things.
E
What
uses
there
were
a
lot
of
formatting
errors
when
the
Haywood
Road
district
and
and
the
in
the
river
Arts
District
were
created,
so
we
had
to
go
through
some
discussion
to
make
sure
we
all
understood
what
the
formatting
problems
were
and
what
the
intent
in
in
I'll
spare
you
all
the
details
on
that
we
built
a
new
draft
table
based
on
that
we
had
three
or
four
full
staff
meetings
where
we
invited
anybody
who
wanted
to
be
there
and
we
went
through
all
the
ones
that
were
really
Troublesome
and
reached
consensus
on
a
point
we
were
able
to
get
to
this
table
this
unified
table.
E
Originally
we
were
going
to
do
the
land
use
impact
table
as
a
step
two,
but
because
the
council
was
needed
to
delay
our
hearing,
which
actually
turned
out
to
be
great.
We
were
able
to
include
the
land
use
impact
table
because
it's
a
little
bit
more
complicated
to
reformat
the
table,
so
it
gave
us
enough
time
to
do
that.
One
project
one
table
now
we're
done
yeah,
so
you're,
probably
familiar
with
this.
This
is
our
main
table
of
permitted
uses.
It
lists
all
the
the
districts
that
we
have.
E
It
has
either
PS
or
S's,
and
then
we
found
some
x's
which
are
not
detailed
in
the
table.
Nobody,
it
doesn't
say
what
an
X
is
and
those
are
in
the
manufactured
housing
overlay
districts.
That's
one
of
the
formatting
changes
that
we're
correcting.
We
everybody
understands
that
that
was
supposed
to
be
a
p,
but
for
some
reason
it
went
into
the
table
as
an
X.
E
This
is
the
Haywood
Road
Forum
District.
You
can
see
it's
very
similar,
but
it's
not
exactly
the
same.
So
there
are
some
uses
that
are
described
in
the
main
table
that
aren't
even
described
or
they're
listed
a
little
differently
and
it
creates
confusion,
River
Arts
same
kind
of
style.
So
once
we
looked
at
all
these,
it
was
we.
It
became
very
clear
that
we
could
unify
these
tables
and
not
have
people
moving
all
over
the
Udo
to
make
that
happen.
E
This
is
what
I'm
talking
about
with
the
land
use
impact
table.
So
if
a
citizen
or
landowner
comes
in
and
they're
doing
a
use
and
they
want
to
change
the
use
non-conforming
uses,
you
have
to
comply
with
additional
requirements.
If
you
increase
the
intensity
of
the
non-conformity
and
in
our
Udo
we
categorize
low,
medium
and
high.
So
if
you
can
stay
in
the
low
bracket,
the
amount
of
changes
you
have
to
make
are
minimal.
If
you
go
from
low
to
medium
or
low
to
high,
you
have
to
do
additional
requirements.
E
This
is
how
the
uses
are
listed
in
the
Udo.
It's
just
a
gigantic
mishmash
of
text,
and
you
can
see
some
of
them
are
listed
by
square
footage
as
well,
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
broke
that
all
out
and
formatted
it
like
it
like
in
the
the
existing
table
of
permitted
uses
and
I'll
show
you
what
that
looks
like
in
a
second.
E
This
is
J.
This
is
not
meant
to
be
readable
and
I
apologize.
This
is
what
the
ordinance
will
look
like.
So
now,
citizens
or
landowners
or
or
people
that
are
interested
in
our
code
will
open
it
up
and
they'll
be
able
to
see
every
single
zoning
District
across
the
top,
including
the
land
use
impact.
The
colors
are
not
going
to
stay
in
the
final
adoption.
That's
just
for
everybody
to
see
what
the
new
columns
are.
E
This
is
what
the
land
use
impact
table
looks
like
now,
so
we've
taken
all
of
those
uses
from
that
mishmash
of
text
and
broken
them
out
into
the
columns
where
the
use
lines,
so
in
the
other
one
you
would
have
had
daycare
adult
daycare
child
and
all
those
things
listed
together
in
the
low
in
the
low
cell
and
instead,
we've
broken
it
out
and
matched
it
up
to
the
uses
in
the
existing
table.
So
now
it's
very
clear.
E
You
read
it
from
left
to
right
and
you
can
see
whether
the
use
you
have
is
low
and
what
you
and
then
you
find
the
use
you
want
to
go
to
and
you
get
to
medium.
We
did
have
to
add
these
square
footage
limits,
because
those
are
in
the
original
table
and
and
like
I
said
at
the
beginning,
we
weren't
in
a
place
yet
where
we
were
wanting
to
make
substantive
changes.
E
We
looked
at
the
comprehensive
plan
facilitating
real
estate
development.
That
maximizes
public
benefit
is,
is
the
the
best
strategy
that
mirrors
what
we're
trying
to
do
it.
It
does
not
propose
any
substantive
changes,
but
it
helps
and
shoot,
and
this
is
taken
directly
from
the
text
of
the
plan.
It
ensures
consistency
in
the
enforcement
of
development
regulations
and
it's
an
update
that
ensures
all
necessary
land
use.
Types
are
provided
for,
so
we're
taking
the
disparate
disparate
uses
and
bringing
together
in
one
central
location.
E
It's
very
clear
to
us
that
this
is
a
key
component
for
our
ability
to
improve
and
expand
core
Services
it.
It
doesn't
happen
on
a
daily
basis,
but
staff
at
DSD
did
anecdotally
convey
to
us
that
some
people
were
frustrated
with
the
complexity
of
our
ordinance,
particularly
where
it
came
to
the
land.
Use
impact
table
so
being
able
to
bring
this
together
in
especially
in
staff's
position,
is
going
to
reduce
that
frustration
and
really
make
our
Udo
more
accessible
in
this
manner.
E
So
that
is
our
goal,
one
unified
table.
These
are
all
the
reasons
it
corrects
formatting
errors.
It
allows
us
to
this
final
bullet
I
want
to
clarify
that,
because
it
looks
a
little
odd.
We
can
do
our
amendments
to
am
legal
all
at
once,
so
that
will
actually
save
the
city.
I
think
a
little
money
if
we
piecemeal
request
amendments
to
the
actual
code
online
I
think
it
costs
additional
money.
E
So
this
is
coming
in
at
a
time
that
we
can
bring
all
those
amendments
together
and
it
could
be
one
request
with
am
legal
to
make
those
changes
take
place
and
here's
what
happened
why
we
couldn't
move
forward
on
this
formally
I
did
not
have
the
full
draft
ordinance
prepared
for
you
at
the
last
meeting.
It
is
now
prepared
it,
it
was
substantial.
E
It
was
18
pages
long
I
gave
you
a
one-page
kind
of
summary
for
each
section
and
I'll
go
over
one
section,
which
is
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we
originally
intended
to
tackle.
But
once
we
looked
at
the
code
it
made
so
much
sense
to
deal
with,
and
that's
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
now
my
staff
report,
of
course,
and
the
final
version
of
the
ordinance
itself.
E
E
That
means
that
it's
a
use
by
right,
but
it's
subject
to
special
conditions,
special
requirements
and
and
the
text
of
those
requirements
are
in
a
completely
separate
section
of
the
code,
and
so
you
go
to
this
section
716
one,
and
you
see
that
there
are
these
different
uses
that
are
designated
as
s
in
the
table,
in
this
case
child
day
care
centers
in
each
and
every
one,
and
there
are
I
believe
76
there's.
It's
specifically
lists
the
district
again
so
it's
listed
in
the
table.
E
Then
it's
listed
here
and
it's
listed
in
another
location,
so
it's
listed
in
three
locations
and
in
at
least
in
a
couple
of
circumstances,
they
don't
line
up
because
so
the
table
was
amended,
but
this
section
wasn't
amended,
and
so
there
is
some
incongruity
there
and
it
just
requires
just
makes
so
much
confusing
information.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
eliminated
this
wherever
we
could
and
so
for
instance
it
if
you
come
down
to.
B
E
Child
day
care
center
homes
use
districts,
we
would
strike
that
and
just
say,
as
provided
for
in
the
unified
table
of
rented
uses,
and
so
you
would
just
go
up
to
that
table.
If
there's
an
S,
that's
the
use
District
as
well
having
them
listed
out
textually
in
three
separate
locations
just
is,
is
fraught
with
Peril
when
it
comes
to
trying
to
maintain
this
ordinance
and
update
it,
the
the
reason
I
have
the
child
day
care
center.
E
So
you
will
just
we'll
have
this
one
General
Applause
that
says
these
uses
are
subject
to
special
requirements,
as
noted
in
section
781d,
which
is
the
new
unified
table
and
will
strike
all
of
that
attempt
to
list
out
all
the
specific
districts,
and
so
that's
why
that's
why
this
thing
got
to
18
pages
long.
So
we
very
carefully
reviewed
every
single
section
of
the
code
to
find
that
and
remove
those
and
if
they
were
like
the
child,
Cape
daycare,
we
left
it
out
so
you'll
see
that.
F
F
E
D
F
E
So
you
see
these.
This
is
just
a
list
of
uses
and
the
designated
districts
when
you
get
to
see
is
when
they
start
telling
you
what
the
differences
are.
So
they
once
again
list
the
use
districts
and
then
they
talk
about
the
additional
requirements.
So
in
the
ordinance,
what
we're
proposing
is
in
section
B,
a
global
content
under
B
SES
by
right,
subject
to
special
requirements,
are
listed
by
zoning
district
and
then
the
new
languages,
as
noted
in
section
781d,
and
then
for
each
of
the
individual
uses,
we're
just
striking
the
district
language.
F
Okay,
I'll
have
to
go
in
I
thought.
You
were
saying
there
was
one
more
section
where
you
were
not
cutting
the
reference
to
the
districts
in.
E
E
This
so
each
individual
sex,
so
Adult
Day,
Care
Centers,
you
districts
elicited
and
in
that
one
we
could
say.
Okay,
all
districts,
as
noted
in
the
table
of
permitted,
uses
all
right
as
and
and
then
you
can
see
there
that
the
child
care
one
as
I
go
down
a
little
bit.
We
couldn't
include
that
because
of
the
separate
treatment
in
the
child
day,
care
centers,
so
that
one
is.
F
E
F
E
Yeah
you've
got
it
so
left
you'll
go
to
716c.
For
instance,
let's
look
at
Adult
Day
Care
Centers.
What
what
will
if,
if
this
amendment
passes?
What
you
will
see
here
under
a
is
use
districts,
colon,
as
determined
in
the
table
of
uses
and
then
b
c
d
and
e-
will
stay,
because
those
are
the
special
requirements.
A
D
C
A
Know
a
lot
of
that
is
what
what
comes
up
is
Right.
Somebody
has
a
property,
it
already
has
a
use,
they
want
to
change
the
use,
they
maybe
not
don't
want
to
go
through
it's
easy
or
they
don't
want
to
deal
with
it.
If
it's
easily
see
this
is
what
I
have
now.
This
is
what
I
want
to
do.
Oh,
maybe
I
should
do
something
less,
because
that's
going
from
low
to
high
or.
A
B
F
I
can
probably
go
over
this
with,
but
I
was
just
trying
all
right.
So
what
you
were
just
showing
me
it's
it's
saying
the
2000,
the
adult
one
2
000
square
feet
that
is
7
16
1c3,
but
what
you're
amending
here
is
7
16,
so
it
would
take
out
all
of
the
C's
which
I
just
I,
think
you
might
be
missing.
One
ref
I
think
what
you
cut
was
maybe
a
beginning
of
17,
16,
1.
F
B
E
E
No,
it's
great.
It's
great
I'd
rather
have
this
review
now
yeah,
okay,
so
this
is
B
yeah,
which
is
this
frankly
inexplicable
section
that
just
lists
the
use
and
the
districts
that
it's
permitted.
According
to
this
section
and.
F
B
A
B
A
Am
legal,
a
code
version
I'm.
E
So
so
this
would
be
the
so
then
I
could
do
three
documents,
this
one,
which
is
the
formal
ordinance,
the
second
one
that
shows
the
changes
in
place,
and
then
the
third
one,
which
is
this
is
how
it's
supposed
to
look
at
the
end.
Guys,
if
you
send
us
something
that
doesn't
look
like
this
you're
fixing
it
on
your
own
dime.
E
F
Mean
Council:
well,
it's
good
to
see
these
changes,
but
but
in
the
end,
we'll
just
show
them
what
you
wanted
to
continue
to
say:
okay,.
E
The
other
things
yeah
you're
welcome,
James.
The
other
thing
that
I'm
going
to
need
to
highlight
that
you
know
in
advance
because
it
takes
a
while
is
how
the
people
actually
has
to
be
presented
in
the
ordinance.
This
was
my
best
guess
and
that's
just
showing
the
resulting
new
columns,
because
it's
very.
A
Any
other
questions
comments.
I've
got
just
a
couple
really
tiny
questions
in
the
land.
Use
impact
I
noticed
that
there's
a
note
underneath
than
that
table
in
the
non-conforming
use
section
of
the
code
that
says,
drive-throughs
cause
a
used
to
be
upgraded
by
one
level
of
impact
and
when
I
compared
that
against
the
global
new
table.
A
D
A
The
table
it's
right
there,
no
uses
with
drive-through
service
or
facilities
increase
impact.
One
level
it
looks
like
that
was
carried
just
to
the
restaurants
in
the
new
table.
But
if.
E
A
Then
this
is
just
a
for
my
own
curiosity,
but
expressly
prohibited
list.
It's
that
that
continues
to
seem
a
little
duplicative.
You
know
there
are
certain
things
like
gas
stations
are
literally
in
the
retail
line,
I
think
and
then
that
same
exact
line
is
repeated
with
the
exact
same
information,
so
I'm
just
curious,
there's
a
few
of
them.
A
Some
of
the
explicit
explicitly
prohibited,
provides
new
information,
but
where
it's
duplicative
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
eliminate
I,
think
it
was
gas
stations,
jails,
adult
establishments-
you
know
the
three,
those
three
and
there
may
be
more
I,
don't
know,
but
that
that
was
something
I
noticed
too.
You.
B
A
A
A
A
A
B
E
E
A
B
E
Memo
on
it,
because
we
we
ran
into
it
when
we
were
talking
about
this
yeah
and
so
the
North
Carolina
Supreme
Court
made
a
ruling
that
it
said.
Look
just
saying
that
everything
is
proved
because
it's
not
listed
is
suspect
and
of
course
it
had
to
deal
with
the
shooting
range
and,
and
so
I.
Think
Asheville
in
in
response
to
this
case
was
very
specific
about
under.
D
E
F
B
F
A
lot
of
these
things,
so
that's
anyway,
it's
interesting.
A
E
Don't
know-
and
there
are
some
uses-
are
blank
in
the
land
in
the
columns,
so
we
again
trying
to
avoid.
We
just
carried
that
blank
cutting
thing
over
and
the
theory
being,
staff
will
have
to
do
the
same
thing
tomorrow
that
they
had
to
do
yesterday.
If
this
thing
were
adopted
right
now
and
and
that
I
think,
once
we
got
the
land
use
impact
into
this
format,
there
may
be
some.
A
A
E
A
The
and
then
my
last
sort
of
comment
question
is
just
a
rhetorical.
One
is
a
level
three
development
in
use.
F
F
C
B
C
Shop
and
that
sort
of
thing
I'm
sure
it
needs
more
work,
but.
A
B
A
A
D
A
few
quick
ones,
real,
quick,
I,
think
they're
easy
again.
Thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
on
this
I
do
appreciate
it
on
the
top
level
of
the
zones
where
it
has
like
the
short
form
underneath
them.
B
E
A
D
These
have
it
on
there.
It's
just
yeah
and
that's
very
helpful
to
me,
and
probably
I
just
saw
just
the
river
Arts
once
the
only
one
that
jumped
out
of
me.
Another
question
order
operations
after
this
board,
then.
B
D
Through
legal
in
the
attorney's
office
for
a
review-
yes,
okay,
so
I
just
wasn't
quite
sure
if
that
last
well
hard
before
the
horse,
who
was
her?
Who
goes
first
cool?
It's
too
that's
where
I'm
not
just
making
things
up
what
is
going
to
safeguard
new
tables
not
being
born.
F
A
A
E
Yeah
so
I
we
did
some
kind
of
forensic
work
on
this
in
it
and
we
discovered
that
the
Haywood
Forum
district
and
the
river
Arts
Forum
District
were
adopted
at
two
separate
times
and
they
included
their
own
tables
within
the
adoption
rather
than
amending
the
this
table.
And
so
our
hope
would
be
that
if,
if
in
the
future,
the
city
proposes
some
new
District,
they
would
just
go
to
the
table
and
add
a
new
column
for
that
District.
Rather
than
create
a
separate
table.
D
E
Know
a
MicroCell
are
antennas
of
a
certain
size.
I'm,
not
it's.
Some
blend,
everybody
went
Bonkers
when
the
wireless
you
know
when
telecommunication
Towers
went
out,
you
know,
and
there
was
that
Federal
Telecommunications
Act
that
tried
to
take
away
local
zoning
Authority,
and
so
you
see
sections
of
codes
that
have
like
28
Pages
trying
to
address
Wireless
facilities
and
I.
Think
a
MicroCell
are
very
small
antennas
that
cover
a
very
small
location,
they're,
usually
on
top
of
utility
poles.
They're.
That's
right,
I
was
just
curious.
Thank
you.
E
Had
enough
so
Janice
I
have
a
question
for
you.
A
couple
of
these
things,
I
think
are
great
changes.
One
is
to
add
the
note
back
into
the
land
use
impact
about
drive-throughs
and
and
also
about
spelling
out
the
rap
district.
Is
that
something
that's
permissible
after
this
meeting?
Okay.
B
F
A
A
They
get
going
if
there's
no
other
comments
from
the
Commissioners,
we
will.
Thank
you
Mr
Mitchell.
Thank
you.
We
will
open
for
public
comment
at
5
41
and
there
is
it's
a
stampede
and
I'm
going
to
close
my.
A
A
A
C
The
proposed
wording,
amendments
to
chapter
7
of
the
Asheville
code
of
ordinances
and
find
that
the
proposed
amendments
are
reasonable
or
in
the
public.
Interest,
are
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meet
the
development
needs
of
the
community
and
that
the
amendment
will
one
help
promote
transparency
and
Clarity
for
all
users
of
the
Udo.
To
simplify
future
amendments
related
to
uses
definitions
and
accla
applicability
and
three
create
a
clear
and
coherent
unified
table
of
uses.
A
I'll,
second,
that
with
making
sure
we
get
the
the
couple
of
changes
of
having
drive-through
added
into
all
of
these
use
locations,
the
update
for
the
drive-throughs
that
Mr
Barton
mentioned
and
also
making
sure
that
the
rad
form
code
districts
are
spelled
out
for
each
one
of
those
particular
districts.
A
A
So
last
couple
things
there
will
be
no
meeting
on
Wednesday
July
5th.
The
meeting
has
been
moved
to
Wednesday
Wednesday
July
19th.
We
will
still
have
the
pre-meeting
at
4
30
and
the
meeting
starting
at
five,
since
that
will
be
our
normal
regular
meeting
and
again,
the
large
project
containing
the
First
Baptist
Church
in
Hawaii,
mnca
otherwise
known
as
project
Aspire,
will
be
heard.
During
that
meeting,
do
we.