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From YouTube: Urban Forestry Commission – February 7, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Urban Forestry Commission.
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C
All
right,
well,
that's
me
welcome
everybody
so
glad
you
could
make
it
and
we'll
start
just
a
few
minutes
late
for
the
February
meeting
of
the
urban
forestry
Commission,
so
happy
to
see
everybody
here,
we
will
start
with
introductions
and
then
get
to
the
rest
of
our
agenda.
My
name
is
Amy
Smith
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission,
Don
Chavez,
will
be
here.
The
vice
chair,
she's
running
a
little
late.
C
I
also
am
missing
today,
Sharon
Sumrall
is
absent
and
that's
it
of
our
regular
commission
members.
So
I'll
start
with
commission
members.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
I'll
just
go
on
my
screen
here:
shardon.
G
Yeah
I
figured
out
the
button
Chardon
Dietrich.
This
is
my
first
urban
forestry
Commission
meeting.
C
Thank
you
and
Karen.
That's
who
I
missed.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
here.
So
sorry
go
ahead:
hi
everyone,
Karen,
McNeil,
urban
forestry
Commission.
Thank
you.
We
also
have
with
us
our
city
council
liaison
Kim
Ronnie.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
good
afternoon,
Kim
Rhody,
Asheville,
City.
H
C
Thank
you.
We
have
a
lot
of
City
staff
with
us
today,
we'll
start
with
Nancy.
B
Hi
Nancy
Watford,
stormwater
supervisor
and
development
services
and
staff
liaison
to
urban
forestry
Commission.
A
Haley
Mahoney
development
review,
specialist
staff
assistant
to
the
urban
forestry
Commission.
Thank
you.
Sam.
I
C
You,
let's
see,
looks
like
Jennifer
and
I'm,
not
sure.
J
Thank
you
Amy
and
chroniumizer,
with
Jennifer
urban
planner
development
services,
department.
C
Thanks,
let's
see
Chris
Collins.
M
Good
afternoon
I'm
slow
clicking
buttons,
Chris,
Collins,
City
official
development.
C
All
right
all
right,
then
I'm,
just
gonna
go
along
here
for
the
people
that
I
don't
know.
So
is
this
jargon,
restaurant,
but
I
assume
you
have
another
name.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself,
please.
C
O
C
Right
and
then
thank
you,
Marnie.
C
Thank
you,
Brianna
Brina,
I'm
sure
I
said
that
wrong.
C
M
We
go
owner
of
183
Broadway
here
to
listen
in.
C
C
Oh
I,
think
they're
logged
out
to
try
to
come
back
in
Kim
was
giving
us
some
tips.
You
can
also
use
the
call-in
number
for
the
audio
if
you're
having
trouble.
P
C
K
All
right,
his
name
is
Sean
Spicer
if
I
mean
I'm.
Sorry,
Sean
Piper,
if
that's
you've,
shown
with
high
wire
I,
mean
with
the
jargon
restaurant
yeah,
Sean,
Piper,
yeah,.
C
Okay,
yeah
he
put
in
there.
Thank
you
so
much,
okay
did
I
miss
anyone
speak
up.
Okay!
Thank
you.
So
much
so
we'll
call
this
meeting
to
order,
starting
with
an
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting,
which
I
believe
is
at
the
the
retreat
was
the
for
January
Retreat.
Okay,
so
we
just
have
a
roll
call
vote.
We
need
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second,
so.
C
Oh,
you
were
absent.
Sorry
short
on.
Q
C
Patrick
bye,
Karen,
hi
and
I
vote
I,
so
the
minutes
are
approved,
so
we'll
jump
right
on
into
our
alternative
compliance.
We
have
several
properties
we'll
be
taking
a
look
at
I
believe
the
first
is
Elizabeth
Place
and
Broadway.
That's
the
first
on
the
agenda
is
that,
where
we're
starting
that.
I
I
Yeah
absolutely
so,
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
requests,
we'll
go
through
some
of
the
site
photos
that
I
have
taken
and
provided
in
this
presentation
and
then
of
course,
I'll
stand
for
questions
again
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Sam
Starbomb
I'm,
a
planner
with
Planning
and
Zoning
before
us.
Today
we
have
this
case,
which
is
addressed
as
23
and
25
Elizabeth
place
and
183
Broadway
Street.
On
the
next
slide.
We
have
a
project
description.
I
This
shows
the
location
in
an
aerial
photo.
You
can
see
that
it
fronts
really
three
streets,
there's
Elizabeth
place
to
the
southwest
of
this
photo.
You
have
Starnes,
Avenue
and,
of
course,
Broadway
Avenue.
What
the
applicant
who
is
with
us
today,
Suzanne
Godsey,
is
proposing
is
a
two
unit
building
on
23
and
25
Elizabeth
Street,
and
then
there
will
be
a
mixed-use
building
fronting
183
Broadway.
This
site
has
different
Parcels
different
zoning
and
different
HRC
requirements.
This
is
quite
a
doozy
from
the
perspective
of
overlay
zoning.
I
So
what
brings
us
here
today
is
that
the
applicant
is
seeking
alternative
compliance
for
landscape
buffers
to
adjacent
residential
zones
and
also
a
administrative
relief
from
any
Street
trees
along
Broadway
because
of
the
presence
of
guy
wires.
There
is
a
creek
that
runs
through
there
and
a
number
of
other
things
and
in
lieu
of
the
requirements
which
were
outlined
in
the
staff
memo,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
plant
an
additional
23
trees
and
69
shrubs
instead
of
the
requirements
for
those
three
trees
and
that
buffers
can
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
So
again,
this
is
just
talking
about
what
it
is
in
the
Udo
the
applicant
is
seeking
relief
from.
There
is
a
requirement
in
the
NCD
neighborhood
Corridor
district
for
an
opaque
screen
to
have
a
buffer
there.
The
applicant
is
seeking
relief
from
that
and
again
there
is
a
requirement
for
Three
Trees
along
Broadway
and
storms
in
the
Landscaping
code.
The
applicant
can
meet
most
of
these,
however,
because
of
the
tight
site,
design
and
inclusion
of
other
overhead
utilities
utility
elements
and
that
Creek
they
are
not
able
to
meet
all
of
them.
I
They're
able
to
install
four
of
the
required
six
or
you
can
see
they're
on
the
presentation
what
they
are
able
to
install
and
the
last
one
is
about
shrubs,
which
is
also
required
along
the
parking
spaces.
So
that
requires
three
buffer
planting,
not
quite
able
to
meet.
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide
yeah?
So
this
is
I
think
an
excellent
photo
that
shows
the
challenges
with
developing
this
site
along
Broadway,
Street
and
again.
Broadway
Street
is
a
different
parcel
than
the
ones
you
will
see
on
2325.
I
This
is
where
the
mixed
use
building
and
the
parking
is
going
so
effectively.
What
is
happening
here
is
this
site
will
have
the
mixed-use
building
and
the
parking
the
other
site
will
have
the
two
residential
buildings
and
the
majority
of
the
Landscaping.
So
from
the
staff
perspective,
it
makes
sense
to
have
the
Landscaping
where
you
can
have
Landscaping
the
parking
where
you
can
have
parking
and
again
you
can
see
the
presence
of
the
guy
wires.
You
can
see
the
overhead
utilities,
you
can
see
some
existing
Street
trees,
but
believe
it
or
not.
I
This
is
also
where
the
recognized
Creek
runs
through
here
along
Broadway,
so
there
are
other
River
challenges
here
next
slide.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
from
Starnes
Avenue
facing
Northeast.
You
can
see
sort
of
there
to
the
left
of
the
photo
exactly
where
those
two
residential
buildings
will
be
going.
You
can
see
that
there
are.
This
is
also
an
area
where
there
are
utilities
present.
You
can
see
the
two
poles
really
in
the
middle
of
the
photo
and
then
just
to
the
right
of
that
photo.
I
You
can
see
the
existing
trees,
but
largely
the
challenges
with
the
slope
as
well.
Next
slide.
I
Here
it
is
from
Elizabeth
place
looking
towards
Broadway
again.
This
is
where
the
two
residential
buildings
will
be
going
and
and
a
majority
of
the
landscaping
again
the
applicant
is
proposing
in
addition
of
what
they
are
required
to
do
in
the
minimum
in
lieu
of
the
required
Street,
trees,
shrubs
and
that
NCD
fence
so
what's
happening
here
is
this
is
where
a
lot
of
those
shrubs
will
go
is
here
on
this
Elizabeth
side.
I
I
You
can
see
the
different
zoning
and
you
can
see
the
access
challenges
presented
with
this
site
so
where
that
existing
building
is
now
again
that
is
facing
Broadway.
That
is
where
the
mixed
use
building
and
the
parking
will
be
going.
Everything
to
the
left
there,
which
is
residential
and
by
the
way
our
code
again,
does
require
that
there
is
a
buffer
between
residential
and
other
more
intensive
uses.
So
that
is
one
of
the
items
that
the
applicant
is
seeking
alternative
compliance
for.
I
This
will
show
the
landscape
plan
specifically
for
the
Mixed
use.
Building
again,
this
is
the
one
facing
Broadway.
This
is
plan
View
North
in
the
red
along
the
entrance
to
Broadway.
You
can
see
exactly
where
they
are
seeking
to
not
have
those
three
trees
again
because
of
the
utilities
in
the
creek
shown,
and
then
you
can
see
to
the
right
of
the
plan,
which
would
be
plan
view
East.
I
You
can
see
where
there
are
trees
proposed
not
to
be
also
no
shrubs
because
of
those
two
utility
poles
shown
in
the
existing
conditions,
and
the
next
slide
will
show
exactly
where
the
majority
of
landscaping
will
be.
This
will
be
on
that
residential
side
in
Elizabeth
place.
This
is
something
that
neighborhood
input
has
really
driven
to
have
as
much
screening
and
vegetation
on
that
neighborhood
side.
I
In
that
Montford
area,
historic
district,
you
can
see
that
the
applicant
has
done
a
good
job
of
thoughtfully,
placing
what
our
native
species
in
a
way
that
doesn't
make
it
feel
over
vegetated,
but
still
meets
the
spirit
of
the
law
and
not
the
letter
of
the
law
here.
But
these
are
these
two
residential
buildings
with
the
additional
shrubs
and
trees
as
described
by
the
applicant,
and
that
should
be
it
for
my
next.
My
presentation,
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
Nancy.
I
Yeah,
so
this
is
exactly
the
same
staff
findings
that
is
in
my
report,
which
is
provided
with
materials
in
the
documents
prior
to
this
meeting.
The
staff
has
evaluated
this
request
and
finds
it's
a
reasonable
solution
just
due
to
the
existing
development
challenges,
those
being
the
overhead
utilities,
the
guy
wires
that
Creek
that
exists
and
the
topography,
as
well
as
a
series
of
zoning
and
overlay
challenges.
So
that's
my
presentation,
I
know
the
next
one
should
say
thank
you.
Questions
and
I'd
be
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
C
I
I
I
I
C
To
read
the
fine
print,
so
all
right
questions
from
the
commission
Zoe.
I
M
F
You
just
go
over
briefly
the
species
of
trees
that
you're
intending
to
plant.
I
I
think
that's
best
left
for
the
applicant,
that's
that
is
provided
in
the
narrative
and
the
materials
as
well.
I
can
pull
up
if
you
would
like
and
and
since
Nancy
is
driving,
she
can
maybe
pull
up
the
landscape
plan
that
was
submitted
as
part
of
the
application
documents,
but
there
are
I
can
tell
you,
let's
see,
there's.
S
O
O
And
if,
if
you're,
ready,
chair
Smith
answer
all
the
questions
go
ahead:
okay,
great
everybody,
I'm,
Suzanne,
Godsey,
I'm,
a
principal
at
sight,
work,
Studios
and
happy
to
be
with
you
with
you
all
today
to
talk
about
this
landscape
plan.
I
wanted
to
give
you
just
a
little
bit
of
background
about
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today.
O
As
Sam
mentioned,
this
project
is
pretty
complicated:
we've
gone
to
HRC
and
gotten
approval
for
the
site
and
the
two
buildings
that
are
fronting
on
Elizabeth
place
that
that
section
of
the
property
is
in
the
Montford
overlay
District,
so
that
so
that
portion
is
checked
on.
So
we
feel
great
about
that.
O
O
Please
try
to
get
as
much
parking
as
you
possibly
can
to
alleviate
The
Strain
on
the
on-street
parking
situations
that
they
have
in
Montford
lots
of
comments
about
being
sensitive
to
the
more
residential
portion
of
the
site
and
then
developing
a
nice
corner
piece
building
there
on
the
corner
of
Starnes
and
Broadway.
O
So
we
got
some
really
great
feedback:
lots
of
conversation
from
Neighbors
about
the
improvements
that
were
made
on
the
site
in
terms
of
re-piping
Reed,
Creek,
Reed
Creek
runs
under
Broadway,
as
you
all
know,
and
it
goes
diagonally
across
our
property
and
then
out
Falls
a
little
bit
to
the
north,
and
that
is
tied
to
a
massive
stream
restoration
project
that
the
developers
did
a
few
years
ago.
So
all
in
all,
really
positive
comments
from
the
neighborhood.
O
So
again
we're
going
through
this
process
because
there's
just
a
few
items
that
technically
we
can't
meet
mostly
due
to
utilities
for
the
Broadway
Street
side,
again
the
trees
that
are
red.
This
is
just
a
rendering
they're
hawthornes.
So
I
went
with
the
color
red
for
the
berries.
O
We
have
got
a
driveway
to
get
in,
we've
got
some
guy
poles,
we've
got
some
overhead
Electric
electrical
stuff
going
on
and
we've
got
a
giant
Transformer
box,
that
is
on
the
Northern
side
of
the
property,
which
is
Page
left
between
that
and
on
page
right
on
the
South
Side.
We've
got
the
intersection
of
Starnes
and
Broadway.
What
I've
been
noticing
about
a
lot
of
our
Urban
Enfield
projects,
especially
those
that
require
significant
sidewalk
improvements.
O
We
just
have
so
much
infrastructure
that
we
have
to
get
in
with
the
handicap
ramps
the
clearances
around
those
ramps
and
then
resolving
any
kind
of
grading
on
site
versus
out
in
the
public
right-of-way
that
it
just
airing
on
the
side
of
caution
of
trying
not
to
cram
in
too
many
trees
in
order
to
get
safe
visibility
at
our
intersections
and
that
type
of
thing,
I
settled
on
the
four
trees
that
we've
got
along
Broadway
and
again,
we've
got
overhead
power
lines,
so
those
are
small,
deciduous
trees.
O
In
fact,
we've
got
overhead
power
lines
all
over
the
site,
so
we
all
we
have
nothing
but
small,
deciduous
trees.
So
that
was
one
issue.
The
other
issue
is
we
having
a
challenge
and
getting
a
six
foot
sidewalk
on
Storms
plus
a
utility
strip
plus
for
Street
tree
planting,
in
that
one
area,
we're
heading
towards
the
the
corner
of
Storms
and
Broadway?
O
O
The
first
parking
space
that
you
get
to
that's
got
the
van
accessible
striping
immediately
adjacent
to
that
is
a
very
large
junction
box
and
that
junction
box
is
what's
preventing
us
from
being
able
to
place
that
last
shrub
for
Street
buffer,
so
that
that
was
the
need
for
that
one.
Small
request
and
I'm
trying
to
think
what
my
other
application
requests
are
say:
oh
okay,
the
the
last
one,
which
is
one
that
I
have
come
before
you
and
asked
for
before.
O
When
the
city
was
writing
the
zoning
code
and
was
writing
this
new
neighborhood
Corridor
District?
They
got
feedback
from
the
neighborhood
and
the
neighborhood
really
wanted
to
have
a
higher
fence
than
what's
normal
in
the
zoning
code.
So
in
the
landscape
standards
and
article
or
section
11,
it
says
you
have
to
have
a
six
foot
fence,
but
in
the
NCD
District,
when
you're
buffering,
you
have
to
put
in
an
eight
foot,
opaque
fence,
Nate
photo
Peg
fences.
Is
it's
a
beefy
fence?
It's
obviously
it's
a
little
bit
more
expensive.
O
O
All
of
the
plantings
in
that
buffer
area,
which
is
on
this
bottom
side
of
this
page
l301,
are
at
the
top
of
a
retaining
wall.
So
we've
got
plantings
at
the
top
of
our
retaining
wall.
The
retaining
wall
drops
down
to
Broadway
level,
obviously
behind
the
building
on
Broadway.
So
what
we're
asking
instead
of
we've,
got
all
the
landscape.
That's
not
an
issue!
O
We're
asking
that
in
lieu
of
that
opaque,
eight
foot,
opaque
fence
we
put
in
what
is
typically
required
at
the
top
of
our
retaining
wall,
which
is
the
the
black
metal
picket
safety,
rail,
fencing.
That
goes
on
top
of
most
of
our
retaining
walls
in
town,
so
that
that's
that
request
and
I
believe
that
in
the
packet
there
was
a
picture
of
that
metal
fencing
just
so
you
get
an
idea
of
of
what
that
looks
like.
O
But
what's
going
to
be
great
about
this
option
in
this
request
from
you
guys
is
that
that
Landscaping
will
be
visible
from
both
sides
of
the
development.
And
if
we
were
to
do
it
per
code,
we
would
have
just
a
retaining
wall
with
an
opaque
fence
and
all
of
the
Landscaping
would
not
be
visible
from
Broadway.
O
So
this
way
everybody
gets
to
to
see
that
Landscaping,
so
I've
I've
kind
of
babbled
through
a
few
things
and
or
know
that
we
had
one
question
about
preserving
any
of
the
existing
vegetation
on
site.
O
Due
to
the
fact
that
we've
got
so
much
topography
we're
having
to
build
that
retaining
wall,
that's
going
to
get
rid
of
some
of
the
landscaping!
That's
there!
Then
we've
got
parking
the
parking
lot
that
we've
got
to
get
in
and
the
two
trees
that
are
on
Broadway
they're,
maple,
trees
right
now,
they're
not
being
hacked
by
the
power
company,
but
they
will
eventually.
O
The
other
issue
I
was
noticing
when
I
was
on
site,
is
that
those
maples
have
got
really
shallow
roots?
You
can
go
out
there
and
see
them,
and
we've
got
to
build
sidewalk
all
around
them
and
so
I,
just
don't
I,
couldn't
see
any
way
to
keep
them
responsibly.
O
So
long
long
answer
to
your
question
that
everything
is
is
coming
out
that
that
is
there
right
now,
except
on
the
North
side.
There
is
a
row
of
Arborvitae
that
the
client
has
already
put
in
to
go
ahead
and
start
screening,
but
it
at
least
you
know,
gets
some
Landscaping
kind
of
up
and
growing
the
other
one
of
the
other
questions
that
we
had
from
a
member
about
plant
material,
we're
very
selective
on
the
Elizabeth
Street
side
to
kind
of
go
with
a
little
bit
more
historic
type
plants.
O
So
we've
got
some
Quince
and
we've
got
some
Hollies
and
we've
got
a
great
mix
of
different
types
of
hydrangeas
and
some
father
Gilla.
In
terms
of
our
trees.
We've
got
not
significant
amount.
We've
got
four
red
Maples,
we've
got
sugar,
Maples
Red,
Buds
dogwoods
Hawthorns
we've
got
two
ginkgo's
for
the
site:
we've
got
a
witch
hazel.
We've
got
a
couple
of
large
Evergreens
The
marinell
Holly
And
The
Nelly
R
Stevens.
We've
got
again
kind
of
going
back
to
the
older
type
plants.
O
We've
got
a
flowering
cherry
tree
and
we've
got
some
Nuttall
Oaks
and
Japanese
Snowbell.
So
those
are
some
of
the
plant
material
that
we've
got.
We've
got
some
ground
cover
as
well.
That's
already
identified
on
site
just
trying
to
place,
make
those
two
Elizabeth
Street
Elizabeth
place
buildings
and
we've
got
dianthus
and
some
sedge
and
some
amsonia
and
some
ajuga,
so
I
I
could
talk
plants
a
little
bit
more
if
anybody
wants
to
talk
plants,
but
that
kind
of
gives
you
a
broad
brush
of
of
the
plant
material.
That's
on
the
site.
D
Yeah,
my
question
is:
why
not
merge
these
two
buildings
to
the
north
and
leave
the
existing
trees
that
are
on
the
Starnes
Street
side
I
mean?
What's
the
point
of
cutting
down
existing
canopy,
to
enable
two
buildings
when
there
could
be
one
building.
O
Let
me
see
if
I
understand
what
you're
saying
you're.
Are
you
wanting
to
have
the
183
building
move
to
the
north.
D
O
I'm
sorry,
I
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
question
is.
Is
this.
O
Okay,
so
those
two
buildings
were
broken
up
into
two,
because
we
went
to
HRC
pre-pandemic
with
two
larger
buildings
and
we
got
a
lot
of
neighborhood
pushback.
So
this
went
to
HRC
with
two
buildings
and
broken
up
to
look
like
two
more
single
family,
residential
looking
buildings
so
to
go
back
and
divide
design.
One
large
building
is
not
going
to
work
for
HRC
I,
don't
believe,
and
to
the
point
of
saving
the
existing
trees
that
are
out
there.
O
N
O
I
The
applicant
also
has
the
unenviable
position
of
having
to
meet
HRC
requirements,
and
then
these
requirements
and
then
she's,
going
to
get
hit
with
another
one
of
our
presentations
at
TRC.
What
is
to
the
South
here
along
Elizabeth
is
zoned
rm8,
which
does
have
density
standards,
which
is
different
from
the
nced
to
the
north,
and
that
is
gross
floor
area
for
the
entirety
of
a
single
building,
so
to
meet
the
standards
of
the
overlay
to
meet
the
standards
of
the
base,
zoning
district
and
then
to
also
make
this
North
plan
work.
I
That
makes
sense
as
a
use
by
right
right
now
absent
the
two
residential
buildings.
They
could
take
out
more
trees
on
183,
so
this
is
actually
I.
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
preservation?
That's
why
I
was
hesitant
to
comment.
I,
couldn't
quite
remember
that
this
jogs
my
memory.
There
are
more
plantings
here
than
what
is
allowed
as
a
use
by
right.
If
we
were
just
to
do
one
single
building
on
183
Broadway,
so
it's
it
is.
I
M
The
we
we
do
aim
always
you
know
we
put
a
lot
more
into
our
Landscaping.
Not
never
do
we
do
the
minimum
and
the
property
next
door,
which
is
the
Broadway.
The
20
Town
Homes,
is
a
very
good
example.
M
The
two
Maples
that
are
in
front
of
that
are
Street
trees.
Right
now,
I
mean
I
actually
planted
those
12
years
ago.
When
I
did
the
pioneer
building
so
I,
we,
you
know
we
take
pride
in
what
we're
doing
down
here
on
Broadway
and
we
will.
What
we
put
back
will
enhance
the
entire
area.
O
We
do
it's
not
part
of
what's
being
shown
in
this,
the
middle
packet,
but
we
do
have
an
existing
conditions
and
demolition
sheet
that
we
had
to
provide
for
HRC
and
they
are
mostly
Locust.
O
There's
a
pine
that
has
been
pretty
pretty
hacked
up.
Think
that's
it
I
can
pull
up.
I
can
double
check,
but.
G
Yeah,
it
was
just
a
curiosity
if
there's,
if
there's
a
list
of
the
sizes
in
the
species,
you
know
Google
Maps,
you
know,
I
see
a
couple:
Red
Oaks
and
a
black
walnut
and
there's
a
number
of
trees
in
there.
But
I
was
mostly
concerned
about
the
size,
because
you
know
he
spoke
about
the
shallow
roots
on
the
red
maple
on
Broadway
and
in
my
experience
the
shallow
roots
happens
because
of
poor
soil
conditions.
The
Roots
need
a
certain
amount
of
air,
so
they
stay
on
the
surface.
G
So
you
know
all
this
grading
and
all
this
landscaping
that's
going
to
happen.
What
kind
of
guarantee
is
there
that
we're
not
going
to
be
in
the
same
boat
that
those
Ray
Maples
are
in?
You
know,
20
years
down
the
road
15
years
down
the
road
you
know,
I
get.
G
You
know,
replanting
a
lot
of
trees,
but
if
you're
removing
all
the
native
trees
that
are
volunteers
and
we're
really
well
grown
and
holding
that
whole
Bank
up,
you
could
end
up
with
subpar
species
and
subpar
specimens
down
the
road
because
of
the
state
of
the
soil
and
planty
techniques.
O
So
that,
for
so,
first
of
all,
the
slope's
not
going
to
be
there
anymore
because
we're
building
a
retaining
wall,
so
the
slope
is,
is
no
longer
there.
Our
trees
that
are
going
in
place
of
the
red,
maple
or
smartest
small
deciduous
our
drawings.
I.
O
Don't
know
if
our
site
to
plan
is
in
here,
but
we
are
proposing
to
use
the
city's
detail
of
the
silver
cells
so
we're
creating
the
best
opportunity
we
can
for
the
street
trees,
which
is
better
than
a
lot
of
the
street
trees
that
are
existing
in
town
now,
and
we
do
have
robust
landscape
specification
standards
for
all
of
our
projects
that
go
in
so
and
I
know
that
our
client
uses
reputable
nurseries
to
get
his
material.
O
G
I'm
happy
to
hear
you
all
are
using
silver
cells
that
that's
a
lot
more
than
a
lot
of
people.
Do
that's
great.
The
last
question
I
had
was
on
the
corner
of
Starnes
and
Broadway.
There's
a
lot
of
sky
space
there,
and
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
things
redone
there,
including
removing
those
red
Maples,
I,
wonder
about
putting
a
larger
specimen
tree
there.
That
would,
you
know,
be
much
larger
than
anything
else
that
you're
installing
and
have
the
sky
space.
G
To
do
that
it
seems
like
there's
a
good
buffer
between
any
power
lines.
You
know,
there's
a
couple
power
drops,
but
I'd
imagine
those
are
going
to
be
gone
and
it
could.
It
could
be
a
way
to
you
know,
increase
the
shade
on
the
building
and
from
the
south
to
put
a
larger
tree
there,
especially
if
you're
doing
silver
cells
and
providing
adequate
soil
space
for
it.
O
I
I
totally
hear
what
you're
saying
I
when,
when
soup
comes
to
Soup
To
Nuts
on
projects
like
this,
with
these
intersections
in
the
urban
core,
trying
to
get
all
of
our
ADA
requirements
and
trying
to
get
all
get
into
the
buildings,
even
though
you
think
it's
a
flat
side
out
there,
we
are
going
to
have
some
issues
of
getting
into
the
building,
and
so
what
you're
really
not
seeing
on
here,
because
it
hasn't
been
100
formulated,
is
there
are
going
to
be
some
type
of
stairs
and
handicap
ramping
that
is
going
to
take
place
on
the
private
side
of
the
building?
O
That's
just
not
showing
right.
Now.
We
also
have
site
visibility
triangle
that
we
need
to
stay
out
of
and
that's
identified
on
the
plan
and,
while
normally
putting
a
large
deciduous
tree,
isn't
really
an
issue
and
sometimes
a
small
deciduous
tree
if
they're
limbed
up
properly.
O
C
Thank
you.
We
are
running
really
short
on
time.
So
unless
there's
other
questions,
is
there
any
public
comment
on
the
line
for
this
one
Haley.
A
I
do
believe
we
have
some
callers
on
the
line
callers
on
the
line.
If
you'd
like
to
make
public
comment
for
this
item,
please
top
star
three,
now
speaker
ending
in
nine
one:
zero,
zero
I'm
about
to
allow
you
into
the
speaker
queue.
You
have
three
minutes.
R
We
are
Provisions
to
use
the
city's
detail
facility,
so
we're
creating
the
best
opportunity
we
can
for
the
straight
trade,
which
is
better
than
a
lot
of
pastries
that
are
existing
and
sound
now,
and
we
do
have
45
landscape
specification
standards
for
all
of
our
projects
that
go
in
so
and
I
know
that
our
employees
is
reputable
nurseries
to
get
his
material.
A
Okay,
caller
ending
in
5859
I'm
about
to
make
you
live
color.
You
should
be
live
any
second
and
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
S
S
You
know,
I,
hear
all
kinds
of
excuses
again
for
why
the
existing
environments
can't
be
kept,
why
the
existing
trees
have
to
all
be
cut
down
or
placed
with
dubiously
soil,
healthy,
Landscaping
trees,
and,
once
again
you
know
we're
going
to
take
a
hit
to
our
street
canopy
by
the
loss
of
these
mature
trees.
Now
this
seemingly
the
fundamental
issue
here,
the
trees
are
always
treated
as
an
astro
spot.
You've
already
been
to
HRC
you've
already
been
to
all
these
others,
and
so
you
know
by
the
time
you
get
to
the
tree.
S
Commission.
Oh
well,
you
know,
honestly
we're
really
going
to
make
this
better
really.
But
if
you
had
integrated
concern
for
the
environment
from
the
beginning
into
your
plans,
maybe
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
replacing
those
giant
trees.
Maybe
you
could
have
found
something
that
satisfied
HRC
with
the
in
the
way
that
Cecil
suggested
by
unifying
those
two
buildings.
S
I'm,
just
you
know,
I,
don't
know
how
three
commission
is
urban
forestry
commission
is
going
to
resolve
this,
but
I
would
just
like
to
point
out
that
this
is
once
again
business
as
usual.
Thank
you.
A
C
All
right,
if
we
are
ready
to
vote
on
this
alternative,
so
real
quick
just
that
and
thank
you
for
putting
it
on
this
slide.
Our
limitations
are
based
on
these
criteria.
We
must
vote
based
on
the
physical
constraints
and
proposed
Alternatives
compared
to
the
landscape
standards.
So
before
we
have
a
vote
unless
Cecil
you're
having
a
motion.
D
No
I
do
not
have
emotion,
but
I
am
once
again
Disturbed
that
over
and
over
again,
it
seems
to
me
that
we
are
pressed
to
not
enforce
the
idea
of
a
preservation,
but
instead
offered
the
exceptional
level
of
we'll
put
a
few
sticks
in
the
ground
and
that
will
compensate
I'm.
Sorry,
I
can't
support.
C
And
I
think
Cecil,
and
we
can
talk
about
this
in
a
moment
but
to
address
that
we're
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
standards
and
ordinances
because,
as
currently
existing.
This
is
where
we're
at
so.
O
A
landscape
architect,
it's
a
little
bit
hard,
not
to
be
incredibly
offended
by
some
of
the
comments
that
are
made
in
terms
of
the
care
that
is
taken
from
our
firm
to
balance,
infill
development
and
all
the
other
things
that
we
have
to
balance
to.
C
Excuse
me
I'm
sorry,
I'm
gonna
have
to
cut
you
off.
We
are
super
short
on
time
and
we
have
to
get
to
our
vote.
No
one
on
this
commission
was
arguing
that
your
Landscaping
was
not
appropriate
or
you
know
adequate
for
this
client.
So
I'm
really
sorry
to
cut
you
off,
but
we
are
really
running
late
mark.
L
My
familiarity
with
the
site
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
volanthus
and
Polonia
a
lot
of
locust,
some
silver
maple,
a
busted
up
pine
tree.
It's
not
the
sort
of
stand
of
trees
that
you
know
at
the
hill.
You
want
to
die
on
when
you're
familiar
with
the
actual
trees
on
site,
so
just
throw
that
out.
There
appreciate.
C
C
H
Oh
there's
just
a
matter
of
procedure:
I
wasn't
sure
if,
if
any
members
knew
that
one
could
make
a
motion
to
deny
if,
if
that
was
ever
needed
for
future
use,
correct.
C
And
we
can
also
move
to
postpone-
or
you
know,
gather
more
information
if
we
need
something
further
on
this
absolutely
yeah
and
I
mean
as
far
as
discussion.
This
is
a
big
project.
This
is
a
lot
of
land.
It's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
going
on
the
alternative
is
really
in
my
mind.
Not
that
great
you
know
we
can
argue
about
the
you
know:
preservation,
standards
and
the
tree
protection
ordinance
and
things
like
that.
C
But
when
looking
at
this
alternative
there's
only
a
couple
of
Street
trees
that
they're
asking
to
not
have
in
alternatively
plant
Elsewhere
on
the
site,
so
that's
what
we're
looking
at
as
far
as
the
alternative
compliance.
So
we
have
a
motion
a
second,
so
discussion,
that's
lost.
Who
was
next
in
line
Patrick.
F
So
I
believe
the
the
Montford
historic
district
has
its
own
set
of
rules
regarding
trees.
Is
that
correct.
C
F
Right
so
the
part
that's
in
the
historic
district
would
come
under
that
those
rules
that.
I
F
And
did
the
HRC
have
any
issues.
F
So
I
guess
for
discussion
purposes.
F
G
G
You
know
I
understand
that
there
are
tree
of
heavens
and
Polonius
in
there,
but
just
looking
at
street
view,
I
mean
I
know
there's
at
least
one
black
walnut
looks
like
there's
one
red
oak
and
I
think
that
would
help
us.
You
know
if
it
is
a
bank
full
of
tree
heavens
of
Polonia.
Maybe
that'll
help
us
move
forward
with
this,
but
I
I,
really
Echo
Cecil's
and
the
caller
Steve's
sentiments
about
this
is
just
kind
of
business
as
usual,
not
prioritizing
the
trees
that
are
already
there
in
the
planning
process.
G
So
no
understanding
what
trees
are
actually
there
on
paper
would
help
me.
B
C
C
Trees
as
long
as
you
meet
canopy
requirements
in
replanting
or
preservation,
so
these
are
options
that
we
currently
have
available
to
any
development
project
and
I
don't
want
to
sound
like
I'm.
Only
arguing
one
side
here,
I
just
think
we're
getting
a
little
off
of
our
mission,
now
again
great
discussion.
We
should
be
having
it.
We
should
look
at
it
in
our
ordinances,
but
based
on
this
application,
you
know
that's
that's
what
we
need
to
look
at
any
other
discussion,
questions
Patrick.
F
F
C
E
Yeah
I
just
have
a
procedural
question
of
whether
the
removal
of
the
trees
is
comes
under
this
actual
alternative
compliance
that
we
are
reviewing,
or
is
that
going
to
be
a
different
issue?.
C
Does
that
make
sense,
so
we
could
look
at
it,
but
they've
done
that
work.
You
know
we
could
ask
for
it
obviously-
and
it
probably
should
be
part
of
these
packets
now
that
we
have
the
ordinance,
but
you
know
if
they're
meeting
it,
then
that's
all
it's
going
to
be
shown.
M
Right,
that's
what
I
wanted
to
add
yeah
good
good
Nancy.
Could
you
pull
up
back
to
the
page
of
what
we're
specifically
requesting
yeah.
I
That's
in
the
presentation
first.
M
Everything
else
is
meets
all
city
ordinances,
I
mean
we.
You
know
we,
but
we've
done
hours
of
meetings
with
HRC
Neighbors.
You
know
design
professionals
we're
you
know
at
like
hours,
so
I'm
asking
or
that
this
is
what
we
look
at
for
your
vote.
Yeah.
C
This
is
perfect,
so
yeah.
This
is
exactly
what
we're
voting
on
the
change
of
Defense,
which
I
think
makes
a
lot
of
sense
personally
and
then
so.
The
tree
part
is
the
two
Street
trees
on
Broadway,
which
we
talked
about:
the
limitations
there
and
one
missing,
Street
Tree
on
Starnes
and
then
three
or
four
shrubs,
and
that's
what
Suzanne
was
talking
about
in
that
Broadway
side
parking
lot.
So
this
is
the
alternative.
I.
C
I
F
C
Correct
that's
they're,
already
complying
with
all
ordinances.
In
that
sense,.
T
F
So
I
would
move
to
amend
the
motion
on
the
table
to
make
approval
condition
upon
a
a
tree
removal
inventory
so
that,
even
though
that's
not
part
of
the
alternative
compliance
and
we
approve
the
Eternal
alternative
compliance
with
in
addition
to
getting
that
tree
removal
inventory,
if
that's.
C
Right
and
so
I
believe
that
already
exists
so
you're
just
asking
to
see
it
correct:
okay,
I
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
a
problem.
Okay.
So
the
motion
is
to
approve
the
requested
alternative,
but
the
commission
is
seeking
just
some
more
background
information
on
the
canopy
removals
and
installation
math.
C
That
was
done
so
I
know
you
all
have
that
if
you
went
by
the
ordinance
awesome
all
right
any
other
discussion
all
right
before
we
vote
I
saw
that
Don
joined
us
so
don
I
know
you
missed
the
beginning
of
our
discussion,
but
since
the
packet
was
available,
do
you
feel,
like
you,
have
enough
information.
E
D
M
F
Madame
chair
I'm,
going
to
vote
I,
although
I
do
sort
of
agree
with
the
principle
that
that
Cecil
has
articulated
as
well
as
Chardon,
but
given
the
fact
that
we
are
looking
at
a
very
narrow
alternative,
compliant
request
and
everything
else
meets
all
city
ordinances,
I
am
going
to
vote.
I.
C
Thank
you,
Karen
hi
and
I
vote
I.
So
the
vote
is
four
to
two.
So
hopefully
that
passes,
and
so
if
Sam
or
the
applicant
could
get
the
materials
to
Nancy
and
Haley,
they
can
distribute
them
to
us.
Yeah.
Thank.
I
F
Madam,
chair
I
have
to
but
unfortunately
leave
the
meeting
at
this
time.
Okay,.
F
C
E
I
just
want
to
briefly
ask
maybe
a
dumb
question,
but
who
approves
that
the
other
part
the
removal
according
to
the
tree
ordinance,
it.
R
B
Y'all
are
making
that's
part
of
a
question
yeah
as
part
of
alternative
compliance.
You
are
making
a
recommendation
to
the
planning
director.
You
are
not
approving
or
denying
you're
making
a
recommendation
for
the
alternative
Landscaping
that
is
proposed
to
the
planning
director.
They
ultimately
make
the
final
decision.
You
really
haven't
ever
changed
it
that
I
know
of,
but
you
know
if
that
can
be
appealed
to
the
board
of
desmonds
staff
reviews
everything
else
for
compliance
with
all
the
other
codes
at
an
administrative
letter
level,
this
is
going
to
TRC.
B
So
this
is
an
entitlement
to
our
C
Level.
All
of
that
is
public
information
as
well
on
the
TRC
websites,
but
so
staff
generally
does
those
reviews
and
make
sure
that
everything
else
is
compliant
with
all
of
the
other
portions
of
the
ordinance
that
apply,
and
in
this
case
it
will
be
same
yeah
well.
C
And
to
back
that
up,
let's
just
say:
if
there's
a
development
project
on
some
parcel
anywhere
and
say
it
was
even
fully
forested
with
Native
species,
a
developer
could
choose
to
remove
all
those
trees,
yes
and
present
a
landscape
plan
that
meets
certain
canopy
standards.
Now,
when
you
plant
the
baby
trees,
they
have
to
plant
much
more.
C
I
Yeah,
if
I
may
add
to
it
Nancy
said
this
is
an
excellent
example.
So,
what
had
just
gone
before
the
TRC
was
on
Julian
Scholl's
Road.
It
had
trees,
it
met
all
the
requirements.
What
happens
is
it
goes
through
the
TRC
process.
We
check
for
landscape
compliance,
Transportation
Public,
Works
MSD.
They
checked
to
make
sure
that
they
have
site
triangles
all
of
those
which
impacts
landscapings.
We
had
seen
with
the
case
before
us.
H
I
Then
once
they
get
approved,
they
meet
all
these
other
zoning
conditions.
All
these
other
conditions
of
approval
at
TRC
or
it's
denied,
but
if
they
meet
approval,
then
they
are
able
to
have
a
pre-construction
meeting.
Then
it
goes
they
get
their
grading
permit
and
that's
covered
under
the
grading.
Permit.
C
T
C
Absent
today,
she
I'm
sure
would
have
plenty
to
chime
in
on
and
then
eventually
what
the
urban
Forester
will
be
a
part
of.
So
we
do
have
a
lot
of
pieces.
Moving
on
this
to
try
to
you
know,
alleviate
some
of
the
questions
and
concerns,
because
you
know,
as
the
UFC
of
course,
we're
concerned
with
the
removal
of
existing
trees.
Now
these
are
really
scrubby
on
that
side.
C
If
you've
been
out
there,
but
there
are
other
sites
where
they're
nice,
you
know,
and
so
maybe
that's
you
know
things
we
can
work
through
as
we
work
through
ordinances,
so
we
do
have
to
move
on,
but
Chardon
I
say
you
had
a
hand
up
well.
G
Just
really
quick
I
was
just,
and
maybe
you'll
just
describe
this,
but
it
was
I'm
curious.
Why
we're
just
now
hearing
this
like?
Why
like,
if,
if
our
for
prerogative,
is
to
vote
on
what
what
was
presented
to
us,
you
know
it
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
decisions
that
were
already
made
in
relation
to
trees
and
trees,
preservation
and
speaking
about
Cecil
and
Steve.
G
You
know
the
point
they
were
making
was
you
know
that
if,
if
the
trees
have
already
been
deemed
to
be
removed,
it
just
kind
of
makes
us
a
little
hand
tied
as
far
as
preserving
the
urban
canopy?
Well,.
C
We
do
get
this.
Hopefully
you
saw
the
packet
we've
had
this
packet
for
weeks
and
had
opportunity
to
visit
the
site
and
go
through
the
applications,
and
so
I
definitely
encourage
everybody.
Do
that
before
the
meetings,
so
that
we,
you
know,
are
all,
as
you
know,
educated
as
we
can
be
on
a
project
and
ask
those
background
questions
if
we
have
to
beforehand
all
right,
I
appreciate
everybody's
time
on
this
one
I
know:
that's
a
big
one
and
I
didn't
mean
to
shut
anybody
down,
but
starting
late
and
having
four.
C
K
Am
yes,
Jennifer
Blevins,
so
this
project
is
I,
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
the
restaurant
jargon
restaurant
at
717,
Haywood
Road,
it
is
a
project
to
move
the
expand.
The
restaurant
into
the
adjacent
building
and
the
the
code
would
only
require
them
to
comply
with
landscape
standards
and
that
standard.
The
only
applicable
standard
is
for
a
street
tree
along
Haywood
Road.
They
have
a
25
foot
wide
Frontage,
which
would
require
one
small
maturing
tree.
K
They
do
have
overhead
utilities
there
and
they
are
from
that
requirement
due
to
the
limited
width
of
the
sidewalk,
it's
seven
and
a
half
feet
wide
in
that
location
and
they
are
required
to
maintain
a
48
inch
wide
clear
path
per
the
Ada
standards.
K
They
do
not
have
a
site
survey,
but
we
suspect
that
there
are
underground
utilities
there
as
well,
because
there
are
no
Street
trees
at
all
along
that
block
and
that
side
of
Haywood
Road,
so
that
is
all
I
have
for
you.
It
seems
a
reasonable
request,
but
obviously
open
to
discussion
and
I'm
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
you
might
have.
C
Foreign,
thank
you
Jennifer,
so
this
alternative
is
requesting
just
the
absence
of
a
street
tree
with
no.
K
K
So
he's
not
he's
not
the
building
owner.
Okay
got
it.
C
A
Let's
see
do
we
have
any
callers
on
the
line
that
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment
for
this
agenda
item.
Please
press
star
three:
now
we
do
have
somebody
hanging
out
in
the
speaker
queue
but
they've
been
in
there
for
a
little
bit,
so
we'll
just
check
in
with
them
and
see.
If
this
was
the
item
that
they
wanted
to
make
comment
on
caller
ending
in
nine
one:
zero
zero.
You
are
live.
Q
Yes,
I
am
so
sorry,
but
I
was
trying
to
get
in
on
the
183
Broadway
Street,
which
I
requested
at
three
different
occasions,
but
was
unable
to
speak.
Nobody
ever
got
back
to
me,
and
so
now
I
know
you're
past
that,
but
I
still
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
If
I
could
either
send
it
by
email,
I
know
it's
over
within
the.
It
has
been
your
time.
You've
adjourned
from
that
time.
So
is
there
any
other
method
that
I
could
communicate
to
you?
Q
My
name
is
Martin
Murphy
I
live
in
the
Pioneer
Building
directly
across
from
the
place
in
question.
That's
going
to
that's.
Has
the
landscape
plan.
C
Well,
I
believe
this
is
just
kind
of
outside
the
UFC.
That
particular
project
does
still
have
some
steps
to
take
with
TRC
and
whatnot,
so
you
could
certainly
submit
some
public
comment
to
the
project
as
a
whole.
Yes,.
Q
Okay,
all
right
so
who
do
I,
send
my
comments
to
and
those
of
the
other
people
in
the
pioneer
building,
where
this
has
a
direct
effect
upon.
I
Yeah,
certainly
hi,
my
name
is
Sam
Starbomb
I
am
a
planner
that
will
be
taking
this
through
the
TRC
I
am
not
sure
what
the
availability
to
see
chat
is
here.
This
is
a
little
bit
different
of
a
rodeo
than
I'm
used
to
for
quasi-judicial
meetings,
but
you
can
reach
out
to
me
directly
259-5609
or
my
email.
Q
I
Q
Okay,
all
right
thanks,
so
my
name
is
Martin.
Murphey
I
live
in
the
Pioneer
Building
I'm,
a
retired
wildlife
biologist
and
a
GIS
specialist
with
the
United
States
Geological
Survey,
so
I
do
have
some
input
and
some
interesting
facts
that
you
want
to
make
you
aware
of
the
trees,
the
existing
trees
that
are
there
and
also
also
on
this
plan,
which
I
think
is
great.
I
M
A
Thank
you,
color
that
it
looks
like
that
was
all
we
had
hanging
out
in
the
queue
okay,
good.
C
So
back
to
717
Haywood
Road,
we
just
need
a
motion
and
a
second
for
this
alternative.
Oh
sorry,
Dawn
go
ahead.
No.
C
The
second
second
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote,
starting
with
dawns
all
right,
Zoe,
hi
Cecil?
R
C
C
K
K
One
site
plan
review
for
construction
of
a
new
building,
it's
a
mixed-use
building
and
about
15
000
square
feet,
and
so
the
Udo
requires
the
site
to
be
brought
into
compliance
with
all
of
the
standards
in
article
11.,
except
that
there
are
a
few
of
the
standards
in
the
Landscaping
section
that
are
modified
by
the
Haywood
Road
code.
So
they're
not
required
to
do
building
impact
Landscaping
they
can
reduce
or
eliminate
their
street
buffer
requirement
with
the
installation
of
a
short
wall
of
the
street
and
property
line.
K
K
There
are
overhead
utilities
on
both
Street
frontages,
both
Haywood
and
Virginia,
but
the
issue
along
Haywood
is
that
there's
a
a
six
inch
gas
Main
underneath
the
sidewalk
and
I
I'm,
not
sure
of
the
actual
easement
area,
but
that
is
causing
a
conflict,
because
the
Haywood
Road
code
has
a
minimum
and
a
maximum
building
setback
and
that's
zero
feet
and
five
feet.
K
So
in
many
cases,
if
it
were
in
another
zoning
District,
the
developer
could
push
the
building
further
back
and
then
plant
the
street
trees
outside
of
an
area
that
would
interfere
with
the
gas
main,
but
still
be
within
20
feet
of
the
street
Edge,
which
the
code
requires.
And
then
we
would
not
be
in
front
of
you,
but
in
this
case
there's
just
not
any
room
to
work
with,
even
if
they
push
their
their
building
back
the
maximum
amount,
they
would
still
probably
be
interfering
with
those
underground
utilities.
K
So
we
evaluated
this.
The
request
seems
reasonable.
They're
only
offering
two
trees.
There
were
seven
Street
trees
required.
Seven
small
maturing
trees
required
there
along
Haywood,
which
is
there
at
the
North
side
and
the
property
line
buffer.
Is
that
zigzagging
line
where
it
abuts
the
residential
district
they're,
offering
one
medium
deciduous
tree,
and
one
evergreen
tree
in
lieu
of
the
seven
small
maturing
deciduous
Street
trees
and
they're
going
to
be
planted
within
that
buffer
area?
C
K
It's
there
you're
right.
It
is
it's
unusual.
It's
unusual,
they're
required
to
to
be
that
close
to
the
street
and
then
have
a
little
section
of
building
that
even
wraps
around
the
corner.
That
sort
of
gray
box
on
the
left
side
of
your
screen
is
another
piece
of
the
building
that
is
required
to
be
up
against
the
street
there
along
the
side.
I
R
K
Meeting
all
the
standards
as
far
as
that
goes-
and
this
is
the
only
thing
they
are
requesting.
V
This
is
just
a
question
out
of
curiosity
or
developers
ever
able
to
ask
for
alternative
compliance
for
things
like
the
setback
I
mean,
if
they
could
say,
can
we
no
okay?
Well.
V
K
K
Is,
although
the
board
of
adjustment
standards
require
them,
I
think
to
exhaust
all
other
options
before
they
submit
an
application?
So
I
think
this
would
be
one
of
those
options.
Okay,.
C
K
Yeah,
unfortunately,
it's
not
a
small
line
that
they
can
move.
You
know,
in
some
cases,
even
a
small
feeder
line
or
sewer
line.
They
can
move
and
often
do,
but
this
one
is
I,
think
immovable
and
just
happens
to
conflict
with
our
form
code
standards
where
they
have
to
push
the
building
right
up
to
the
street.
K
N
R
C
U
C
Thank
you
so
much
all
right
thanks
one
more
alternative
compliance,
197,
Hilliard
and
I
say.
J
Your
name,
okay,
thank
you!
That
is
fine!
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Good
afternoon,
everybody
I'm
growing
your
Miser
with
development
services.
Planning
and
Zoning
I
have
197
Hilliard
Avenue
for
you
today.
This
has
been
to
Alternative
compliance
previously
in
2013,
so
they're
asking
again
for
the
same
relief
with
a
little
bit
of
change.
So
the
the
property
is
high
wire
and
they're
doing
it.
J
Internal
expansion
of
their
existing
business
and
there's
no
exterior
work
to
be
done
and
save
some
patching
of
some
Asphalt
in
the
back,
which
will
be
just
part
of
their
access
agreement.
J
So
the
the
project
is
a
level
one.
The
landscape
standard
that
would
apply
here
would
be
two
straight
trees,
along
Hilliard,
Avenue
and
they're,
requesting
relief
from
that
requirement
due
to
difficulties
along
the
sidewalk,
the
narrowness
of
the
sidewalk
buried,
MSD,
sewer
and
water
utilities,
and
also
overhead
utilities,
which
of
course,
could
be
addressed
through
through
smaller
trees.
J
But
they,
like
I,
said
they
did
ask
for
this
previously
in
2013
when
they
did
their
initial
Venture
into
this
building,
and
it
was
approved
with
planter
boxes
in
lieu
they're
asking
in
today's
application
to
not
have
to
plant
your
boxes
as
their
experience
from
2013
was
that
those
the
vegetation
and
plants
in
in
those
planter
boxes
did
not
Thrive
and
became
unsightly,
and
so
that's
really
all
I
have
and
I
did
visit.
The
site
confirmed
the
the
utilities
beneath
the
sidewalk.
J
It
is
an
arrow
sidewalk
staff
found
that
these
are
genuine
difficulties
that
are
presented
to
the
project
and
found
that
their
their
legitimate
difficulties
that
are
being
presented
to
the
business
to
be
able
to
comply
with
standard,
7-Eleven,
3.
C
Building
goes
all
the
way
to
the
sidewalk
on
the
Hillyard
side.
Is
there
a
setback?
Yes,
I,
don't
believe,
there's
any
space
in
the
back,
so
any
questions
or
grania
or
the
applicant
I
believe
is
still
here.
A
Oh,
let
me
just
make
sure
we
don't
have
any
public
comments.
I
appreciate
that
thank
you,
colors
on
the
line.
If
you'd
like
to
make
public
comment,
please
tap
star
three
now.
C
C
A
S
Hey
this
is
Steve
Rasmussen
again.
I
just
want
to
ask
an
advanced
question
about
the
discussion
of
the
revisions
to
section
711
I'm
wondering
if
it's
how
the
commission
is
addressing
and
this
this
is
the
place
to
address
the
problem
that
we
have
with
in
cell
development
in
neighborhoods,
whereby
the
division
of
attract
and
single
ownership
I'm
reading
here
from
715
one
whose
entire
area
is
no
greater
than
two
acres
into
not
more
than
three
lots,
basically
exempts
the
property
from
the
tree
ordinance.
In
other
words,
it's
a
subdivision.
S
That's
not
a
subdivision.
According
to
tournament,
state
law
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if,
like
I
say,
asking
in
advance
as
you
all
could
address
this
issue
too.
Does
that
make
sense
what
I'm
asking.
C
U
Hey
yeah,
no
problem,
thanks
for
having
me
Chris
Coral,
director
of
community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facilities
here,
so
back
with
an
update
for
the
Asheville
Municipal
Golf
Course.
We
took
your
recommendations
from
the
December
meeting,
I
guess
it
was
and
had
another
third,
a
third
party
arborist,
look
at
all
the
trees.
I
got
the
course
I
sent
some
soil
samples
over
I.
U
Don't
know
if
those
were
exactly
what
you
guys
were
looking
for,
since
they
were
based
off
of
our
greens,
but
that
was
the
soil
samples
we
had
and
so
through
some
adjustments
and
working
with
Mark
and
the
third
party
arborist
we've
reduced
the
tree
count
for
removal
from
I
think
it
was
157
down
to
111
total
trees
throughout
the
property
and
increase
the
total
number
of
trees
to
be
pruned
from
a
number
that
I
can't
remember
up
to
83
total
trees,
so
that
project
actually
kicked
off
this
week.
U
They
started
yesterday
afternoon
up
around
the
13th
green
and
it
was
bid
out
through
January
and
bid
to
the
lowest
responsible,
responsive,
responsible
bidder
in
that
time
period.
Since
we
last
talked,
we
also
award
were
awarded
a
30
000
Grant
from
the
Donald
Ross
Society
foundation
for
the
development
of
a
master
plan
and
the
architect
the
golf
architect.
That's
doing
that
master
plan
for
us.
U
Is
he
specializes
in
Donald,
Ross
Restorations
he's
going
to
help
us
develop
a
suggestion
on
what
types
of
trees
and
varieties
should
be
replanted
on
the
course
we
plan
to
give
that
final
say
to
I,
guess
Mark
and
this
group
I
don't
know
exactly
how
that
works,
but
we're
not
going
to
just
plant
what
he
says:
we're
going
to
bring
those
recommendations
back
to
this
group
and
work
with
Mark
to
figure
out
what
varieties
make
specific
sense
here
in
Asheville
the
number
we'll
plan
to
be
doing
that
replanting
back
in
the
fall,
August
September
time
frame
I
have
some
site
maps
that
I
can
share
my
screen
with
or
go
over
the
overview
document
that
you
guys
have
seen
before.
U
U
They
have
a
certified
Arborist
and
staff.
We
actually
met
with
the
arborist
Mark.
The
construction
team
and
I
met
yesterday,
just
to
kind
of
talk
through
process
of
how
they
take
down
the
trees
where
they
Park
Vehicles
they're,
not
parking
on
the
roots
of
trees
that
are
not
going
to
be
taken
down
Etc.
But,
yes,
they
have
a
certified
Arborist.
That's
part
of
the
bid
requirement
and.
U
Yes,
so
they're
planning
to
go
through
whatever
they
right
now,
they're,
starting
with
removals
and
then
they're
going
to
go
back
through
the
course
in
the
pruning,
but
so
they'll
have
that
arborist
there
on
site
to
deal
with
the
specific
prune
trees.
Most
of
them
are
canopy,
raises
dead
woods
and
then
there's
a
couple
where
branches
are
coming
out
into
the
sight
line
of
golf,
but
most
of
them
are
just
bringing
the
canopy
up.
U
As
far
as
like
maximum
like
diameter
of
the
branch,
no,
not
to
my
understanding
I
can
talk
to
Mark
about
that
and
see.
If
that's
something,
we
need
to
look
into
there's
a
couple
trees
on
12.
That
I
can
think
of
that
would
have
big
branches,
but
otherwise
most
are
not
like
enormous
half
tree
branches
or
anything
like
that.
G
Yeah
anything
over
four
inches
is
probably
going
to
get
a
fungal
infection.
There's
a
couple
trees
on
the
list
that
were
decayed
as
a
result
of
large
Korean
Cuts
in
the
past,
so
I'm
happy
to
hear
Survivor
versus
going
to
be
on
site
to
supervise
the
pruning.
I
would
just
caution
against
removing
large
limbs
for
many
reasons,
but
obvious
one
being
fungal
infections.
U
G
U
Can
you
say
that
who
the
arborist
is
yeah
I
can.
L
It
was
Gabe
from.
U
G
C
Yeah
all
right
any
other
questions.
Thank
you
all
right
and
I
believe
we
all
received
the
email,
and
so
you
have
a
link
to
the
project
website
for
more
information
as
well.
But
while
we
have
Chris
any
questions,
I
just
want
to
say.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
working
from
all
the
recommendations
that
we
provided.
Last
time
we
met
with
you
and
you
know
incorporating
that
I
think
that's
been
very
helpful.
C
U
We
have
43
trees
requested,
thus
far,
so
that's
almost
half
of
what's
coming
down.
That
would
not
go
back
specifically
on
the
golf
course,
which
I
was
a
little
surprised
about
how
many
people
have
signed
up
and
that
final
variety
of
trees
that
will
be
available
to
them
will
also
be
we're
going
to
make
it
similar
to
the
trees.
That
would
be
going
back
on
the
golf
course
and
no
set
specific
type
of
tree.
Although
we
gave
them
some
general
options
to
understand
what
people
are
asking
for.
C
L
It's
mostly
been
business
as
usual
other
than
bullying
the
turbo
on
our
75
foot
bucket
truck.
So
we've
been
down
that
lately,
but
we
have
a
rental
spider
lift
coming
in
this
week,
while
that's
being
repaired.
So
that's
pretty
cool,
get
to
try
that
out.
L
L
Luckily,
one
of
the
trees
that
fell
in
a
house
wasn't
actually
my
tree.
So
I
was
pleased
about
that.
I
spend
way
too
much
time
visiting
places
where
trees
have
misbehaved.
It's
not
the
same
perspective
that
you
all
get,
let's
see
should
be
planting.
35
trees
through
contractor,
probably
in
March,
is
what
it's
looking
like
and,
of
course,
Parks
and
Rec.
They
also
do
planting
as
well.
B
C
B
R
B
C
We
could
see
it
and
then
do
we
have
an
update.
While
we
have
you
Nancy
on
the
Urban
Forester
hiring.
V
B
C
You
all
right
any
questions
for
Nancy
well,
I
think
it'd
be
great
if
we
could
get
total
in
the
fund
on
this
update
so
that
we
can
see,
you
know
just
kind
of
where
it's
at
Oh.
C
C
Next,
we
have
our
working
group
updates,
starting
with
the
budget
request.
Working
group
I,
don't
know
Don
did
you
want
to
take
that.
V
Sure
the
budget
request
working
group
put
together
a
recommendation
that
we
would
like
to
present
to
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
then
have
our
Council
liaison
councilwoman
Roney,
take
to
city
council
on
our
behalf,
so
I
hope
everyone
has
had
a
chance
to
review
the
recommendation
that
was
sent
out
in
the
the
packet
and
not
sure
how
to
go
about
that.
But
if
you'd
like
to,
if
we
need
to
make
it
a
formal
recommendation
with
a
vote.
C
Yeah
so
I
just
don't
know
if
we
need
to
read
the
whole
thing
for
the
sake
of
time,
but.
E
There
were
who
edits
that
were
offered
by
Karen
that
didn't
get
into
the
actual
packet,
but
they
are
on
the
site
as
o2.03.
C
And
would
you
be
able
to
point
out
to
us
the
changes.
E
Yes,
in
section
one
paragraph
number,
four,
a
surprising
collateral
effect
is
that
unshaded
trees
is
what
it
says
and
it
should
say
streets
required
in
there
and
the
other
one
is
in
section
four
paragraph
one
serve
as
liaison
and
I'd
left
out.
The
word
between
the
community
and
urban
forestry
partners
got
it.
Okay,.
E
D
I
moved
to
approve
the
request
for
the
funding
of
the
of
the
urban
forestry
plan.
C
C
Listening
in
what
we're
voting
on
is
a
recommendation
for
the
city
to
fund
a
comprehensive
urban
forestry
program,
including
the
Urban
Forest
inventory
and
urban
Force
Master
Plan,
and
in
the
document
it
outlines
the
need
and
benefits
for
improving
our
tree
canopy
and
the
steps
to
take
in
the
inventory
and
master
plan
so
that
everybody
knows
what
we're
doing
all
right.
We
will
have
a
vote
starting
with
Dawn
I
Zoe.
C
G
C
Hi
and
I
vote
I.
Thank
you
so
that
passes
and
we'll
get
councilwoman
Roney
that
information
to
take
to
city,
council
and
again
we'll
just
keep
pushing
that
the
city
needs
to
fund
this
program
so
that
we
can
enhance
our
tree
canopy,
and
this
is
a
critical
step.
The
urban
forestry
master
plan
will
outline
the
gaps
in
the
ordinances
that
all
of
these
callers
have
been
mentioning
about.
How
you
know
there
are
spaces
where
we
can
do
better
in
preservation,
conservation
and
tree
planting,
and
so
that
is
why
this
is
so
critical.
C
We
have
to
get
it
funded
so
that
we
have
the
game
plan
of
how
we're
moving
forward.
So
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
else
has
comment,
that's
I
just
had
to
get
that
out
there.
So
all
right,
thank
you,
and
so
the
budget
request
we'll
also
make
sure
that
we're
working
with
our
development
services
department
Partners
to
try
to
get
that
in
there,
but
we're
just
going
straight
to
city
council
to
hopefully
get
this
funded
as
well.
C
Something
else
from
the
budget
working
group
right
now:
nope,
okay
policy,
working
group
and
Patrick
had
to
go
he's
the
lead
on
that,
but
we
brought
in
Ed
Macy
the
consultant
who
hopefully
bring
us
up
to
speed
on
what
the
policy
working
group
is
working
on.
So
I
don't
know
Ed.
If
you
wanted
to
take
a
moment
and
update
us.
W
Hi
everybody
good
to
see
you
all
the
there's,
several
things
that
the
policy
working
group
have
been
working
on.
W
The
first
is
the
revision
of
chapter
20.,
and
this
is
a
project
that
we
rolled
our
sleeves
up
and
started
working
on
over
a
year
ago,
at
the
request
of
Public
Works
and
this
commission
to
revise,
and
the
purpose
of
that
revision
was
to
add
a
few
elements
that
were
missing
to
to
bring
chapter
20
up
to
date
to
clarify
some
of
some
of
the
language
in
chapter
20
and
also
better
align
it
with
719,
which
is
the
canopy
Amendment.
W
W
But
it
sat
there
for
quite
a
while
and
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
Patrick
started
pushing
on
the
status
and
we
found
out
that
Public
Works
sent
something
over
to
legal
for
review
and
we
asked
Public
Works
to
send
back
what
they
were
working
on
and
what
we
got
was
pretty
much
the
original
chapter,
20
document
they
haven't
been
working
off
the
one
we
had
as
of
yesterday,
Mark
Foster
sent
a
document
to
us,
which
was
the
one
that
he
was
working
on
and
it's
clear
that
that's
not
the
the
revision
that
the
policy
working
group
had
originally
been
asked
to
work
on
and
do
and
and
it
it's
just
it
almost
looked
like
the
original
document.
W
W
So
basically
it
was
a
non-revision
and
we're
just
wondering
why
you
know
when
public
works
first
asks
us
to
do
this
revision.
We
did
it
and
now
our
revision
has
sort
of
disappeared
within
Public
Works
and
we
still
have
a
very
good
document
that
we
worked
on
that
followed.
The
original
skeleton
of
chapter
20,
so
we'd
like
Public
Works,
to
sit
at
the
table
with
us
and
with
our
revision
and
have
some
discussion
around
it.
I
I
think
we've
got
a
meeting
scheduled
for
later
this
week.
Maybe
Thursday
I'm
not
sure
this.
W
And
hopefully
we
can
have
a
side-by-side
discussion
with
with
the
chapter
20
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
cobbled
together
versus
this.
This
document
that
we
just
saw
yesterday,
so
we
can
move
forward
with
this
thing,
so
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
with
that
we
also
were
given
for
719.
We
were
giving
some
revisions
at
development
service
had
worked
on
and
I.
W
Think
Amy
and
Patrick
and
I
gave
comments
back
on
that
we
have
another
meeting
coming
up
to
discuss,
discuss
where
we
are
with
those
revisions
versus
the
city.
So
that's
some
good
dialogue,
that's
going
forward
and
what's
the
last
policy
thing
that's
on
the
agenda,
I,
don't.
W
Well,
yeah
the
Landscaping
code
yeah,
we
we're
nearing
our
the
completion
of
our
work
on
that
Padilla
put
together
a
pretty
nice
link
that
has
all
of
our
meeting
notes,
all
of
the
product
of
our
work
side
by
side
comparison
of
the
landscape
standards
prior
to
our
work
versus
where
we
are
now
and
we're
in
a
tweaking
stage
with
that.
W
So
I'm
not
sure
how
comfortable
he
is
with
making
that
all
available
with
everybody,
but
I'll
check
with
him,
and
you
know,
I'm,
looking
forward
to
sharing
that
with
everybody,
because
I
think
that's
a
really
good
piece
of
work
and
I
appreciate
the
city's
effort
on
it.
I.
C
Believe
that
is
what
is
linked
in
the
agenda,
so
I,
don't
know
you
may
not
be
able
to
see
it
from
where
you're
at
it.
But
we
have
a
link
in
the
agenda
under
landscape
draft
code
so
that.
W
Okay
check
that
out,
okay,
so
everybody
can't
see
it
and
then
I
just
got
a
meeting.
Invite
now,
as
I
was
talking
that
our
next
chapter,
19
or
Article
19
review
meeting,
is
on
the
13th
at
10
o'clock.
So
so
we're
making
progress,
I
I
think
the
real
stick
in
the
mud
is
chapter
20
and
I'm,
not
really
clear
on
why
it's
so
difficult
or
why
it's
taking
so
long.
But
you
know
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
we
really
want
to
do
with
the
chapter
we
want
to
make
it.
W
You
know,
bring
it
up
to
the
21st
century
and
include
some
language
about
Heritage
trees,
which
I
know
is
really
important
to
a
lot
of
people
and
and
sort
of
align
it
with
Article
19.
So
we'll
keep
pushing
on
that.
C
I
agree:
one
thing:
sorry,
the
team
Mark
just
one
second
I
also
do
want
to
point
out
that
Chardon
the
policy
working
group
so
that
everyone
knows
so
short
on
policy
working
group,
and
he
also
volunteered
for
no
I.
Don't
have
you
on
here
for
appropriate
species
list
and
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
yep,
so
he
jumped
on
with
you
know
full
force
to
a
bunch
of
our
working
groups.
So
thank
you
for
that.
All.
B
L
Yeah
I
sure
do
I
just
opened
the
document
that
I
sent
and
checked
the
share
history
on
it
and
I
see
that
it
is
the
document
that
has
Asheville
GreenWorks
listed
Duke
Energy
listed
it
it's
the
most
up-to-date
copy
and
I
know.
The
question
came
up
a
couple
times
from
Patrick
about
whether
or
not
we
were
working
on
the
right
copy
of
ul's
document
and
Ed
just
brought
it
up
again.
L
We
worked
on
the
copy
that
Patrick
sent
us
and
when
he
said
this
isn't
the
right
copy,
and
so
we
said,
okay
send
it
again,
and
we
worked
on
that
copy
that
he
sent
us
so
I,
don't
know
where
that
fell
down.
I,
don't
think
it
was
something
we
did
wrong
and
regarding
process
back
in
October,
I
sent
an
email
to
the
policy
working
group.
L
Folks
and
you
know,
included
some
City
staff
on
there
outlining
what
our
strategy
was
going
to
be
after
we'd
had
a
chance
to
review
you
all's
submission
at
Great
length.
We
went
through
the
process
of
comparing
it
to
chapter
20
as
it
actually
exists
and
to
try
and
discern
okay.
What
what
changes
are
you
suggesting?
L
Because
there
were
there
wasn't
a
separate
list
of
these
are
the
things
that
are
important
to
us,
and
these
are
changes
we'd
like
to
see
that
we
had
to
go
down
through
the
document
to
find
what
those
changes
are,
and
we
found
many
of
them
that
were
very
workable
for
staff
and
for
our
goals
and
others
that
you
know
not
so
workable
and
to
Greg
Schuler's
credit.
My
department
director
director
of
Public
Works.
L
We
went
through
that
process.
We
made
those
adjustments.
Then
we
had
to
wait
a
little
bit
to
get
some
some
time
in
with
the
legal
department
they'd
been
occupied
with
some
other
things
they
went
through
and
reviewed,
and
the
last
communication
I
had
with
with
Patrick
when
he
was
wondering
you
know,
what's
going
on.
What's
what's
the
hold
up,
I
made
it
clear
to
him
that
that's
what
we
were
waiting
on
so
anyway,
legal
was
able
to
and
they
got
the
whole
document.
L
They
didn't
get
a
piece
of
it
or
something
they
had
the
whole
document
to
make
sure
that
what
changes
we're
making
are,
in
fact,
you
know
compliant
with
the
law
that
we're
not
making
some
drastic
change.
That
is
not
defensible
or
whatever
or
working
counter
to
the
needs
of
the
city
as
an
organization,
and
so
he
made
his
path
through
there
and
made
suggestions
made
changes.
L
He
did
not
find
that
the
Heritage
tree
was
something
a
designation
that
we
were
going
to
be
doing
because
a
historic
tree
designation
already
exists.
It
has
existed
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
nobody's
actually
ever
done
anything
with
it.
L
So
anyway,
as
I
say
things
that
looked
like
they
were
going
to
be
beneficial
changes
for
us
and
for
the
community.
We
went
with
those
things
that
did
not
seem
to
be
that
case.
We
didn't
go
with
those,
and
so
the
document
that
I've
shared
is
is
the
most
up-to-date
one
it
it's
not
missing.
Anything
and.
L
I
got
I
got
some
concern
from
Patrick
that
he
didn't
want
to
actually
read
the
document,
because
it
wasn't
the
document
that
you
all
worked
on
and
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
closed-minded.
L
C
W
Yeah,
there's
definitely
some
confusion,
because
the
document
that
I
opened
up
was
clearly
the
old
document,
so
there's
some
confusion.
W
What
was
sent
back
and
forth
and
we're
a
little
disappointed
that
it
went
to
Legal
if
you
guys
did
make
a
revision
to
our
revisions
without
vetting
it
with
us
case
in
point,
Heritage
trees,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
community
that
feel
really
strongly
about
that
and
if
the
old
way
hasn't
been
working
historic
tree
designation,
then
we
should
look
at
a
different
way
of
of
protecting
some
of
these
older
trees.
W
So
it's
a
kind
of
dialogue
that
we
were
denied
the
opportunity
to
have,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
having
this
meeting.
So
we
can
do
a
side-by-side
comparison,
but
the
document
that
I
opened
that
you
sent
yesterday
had
read-only
access
and
it
had
all
the
old
language
in
it.
So
there's
there's
some
pretty
major
confusion
in
there
somewhere
and
I
I
did
read
through
it
Mark
and
I'm,
pretty
sure
that
I
was
looking
at
an
old
document.
Okay,.
R
A
L
Kind
of
thing
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
some
kind
of
security
thing
or
something
where
because
you're,
not
in
the
organization
or
whatever
I,
don't
know,
but
it
before
I
share
something
with
somebody
outside
the
organization
it
asks.
Do
you
want
to
do
this
and
I
say
yes
and
so
I
you
wouldn't
have
anything
if
it
didn't
share
it.
So
yeah.
C
C
C
The
urban
Forest
master
plan
and
fee
and
Lou
group
met
Zoe.
Do
you
want
to
bring
us
up
to
date
on
what
we
talked
about
with
fee
and
Lou.
E
Yes,
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
We
got
together
and
we
talked
about
how
we
could
prioritize
the
projects
that
we
would
want
to
consider
using
feed
and
loop
funds,
for
we
did
agree
that
that
probably
will
be
looking
at
a
proposal.
Pro
a
proposal
process
to
ask
for
those
monies
and
I
won't
go
through
what
the
different
we
came
up
with
five
different
types
of
projects,
and
then
we
started
working
on
questions
that
can
be
guided
that
we
could
use
to
guide
prioritizing
those
types
of
projects.
E
C
To
remind
this
group,
our
work
for
fan
Liu
is
to
have
something
to
give
to
the
city
as
an
idea,
because
it
won't
be
the
UFC
deciding
where
the
money
spent
so
to
surveys
clear
on
that
we
would
love
to.
But
it's
going
to
be
a
city,
it's
City
budget
stuff,
so
we're
just
trying
to
help
and
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
So
it
was
a
really
great
meeting
with
Karen
and
Zoe
and
myself
recommended
or
sorry
appropriate
species
list.
We
have
two
names
going
on,
we'll
call
it
appropriate
species
list.
C
Has
there
been
any
working
on
that
I.
T
Have
been
in
touch
with
Mark,
Foster
and
Chad
Bandy
and
received
some
suggestions
about
how
to
make
the
new
list
more
user-friendly,
perhaps
having
a
short
list
and
then
an
as
needed
longer
list,
and
so
with
the
goal
of
getting
more
native
and
edible
species
on
there
and
yeah.
That's
my
update.
C
Perfect,
thank
you
and
yeah,
and
just
a
reminder
that
I
don't
know
if
I
got
looped
you
in
that
Chardon
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
that
group,
so
we'll
bring
him
in.
Thank
you
great
all
right,
all
right,
so
that's
it
for
working
group
updates
anything
else
from
anyone
all
right
all
right.
Lastly,
the
we
talked
briefly
at
The
Retreat
about
National
invasive
species.
Awareness
Week
did
we
receive
anything
from
community
members
on
that
Don.
V
Yes,
we,
the
So,
Raven
invases
management
and
Community
Partners,
including
Karen,
McNeil
and
Susan
certain,
have
submitted
a
request
for
a
proclamation
from
the
city
that
will
be
presented
next
week.
A
week
from
today
at
the
city
council,
meeting
declaring
the
week
of
the
I
want
to
say
the
20th
through
the
26th
as
invasive
species,
Awareness
Week,
and
also
want
to
note
that,
while
a
proclamation
is
great
for
raising
awareness,
the
actual
work
of
removing
invasive
species
is
what's
most
important.
V
So
there
will
be
activities
that
will
be
taking
place
that
are
sponsored
both
by
well
a
response.
You
can
correct
me
Karen
if
I
I'm
wrong,
but
you
know
that
the
Montford
neighborhood
association
received
a
grant
a
mini
Grant
from
the
city,
a
neighborhood
Grant,
to
do
some
invasive
species,
removal
in
in
Montford
and
are
working
with
or
even
invasive
management,
to
do
that
through
culture,
yeah,
okay,
great.
A
Mute
sorry
before
we
cut
today,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
didn't
get
a
chance
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
because
I
was
still
dealing
with
the
tech
issues
of
public
input.
But
I
wanted
to
introduce
you
all
to
Hunter.
A
C
Hi
welcome
all
right,
perfect!
Thank
you,
Hunter,
all
right,
sorry,
just
to
wrap
up
on
National
invasive
species
awareness
week
and
so
don
you're
talking
about
the
Montford
neighborhood
association,
invasive
cleanup
and
then
go
ahead
and
put
whatever.
V
V
V
If
there's
anything
that
I
can
share
back
with
them,
I
think
there's
a
public
meeting
notice,
that's
gone
out.
Foreign.
I
It's
it's
somewhere
else,
and
this
is
the
worst
part
in
terms
of
time
of
being
a
planner
is
there's
a
the
rumor
mill
is
going,
but
there
hasn't
been
anything
official
yet
so
I
get
a
lot
of
calls
about.
Why
is
Subaru
is
like
I
haven't
seen
anything
I
couldn't
possibly
comment,
but
there
is
there
is
there
will
be
something
coming
in
for
Subaru
there's.
It's
also
as
I
understand
it,
which
is
not
a
guarantee.
I
V
L
L
Going
on
with
those
documents,
when
I
was
sharing
it
to
myself,
it
says
you
know
this
guy's
outside
the
organization.
We
we
encourage
not
doing
that
and
you
have
a
decline
or
a
are
you
sure
you
want
to
do
it?
Yes
and
I
did
the
yes
I'm
sure
I
want
to
do
it.
You
know
just
like
all
the
other
times
so
yeah.
C
We'll
just
have
to
see
because
I
think
we
are
trying
to
get
together
on
it,
and
it's
just
not
right
so
well,
then,
for
adjourning
I
have
been
informed.
We
don't
have
to
roll
call
vote.
I
just
need
to
know
if
there's
any
objection
to
a
journey,
and
if
there
is
no
objection,
then
that
is
it
for
today
301
we
made
it.
Thank
you
so
much
everybody
and
we'll
see
you
next
month.
Thank
you,
bye.
Everyone
thank.