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Good
afternoon,
everyone
I
am
chair,
kite
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
all
to
the
July
8
2020
historic
resources.
Commission
meeting
the
HRC
is
a
quasi
judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
the
North
Carolina
General
Statutes.
The
city
of
Asheville
is
unified
development,
ordinance
and
Buncombe
County
ordinance.
We
are
authorized
to
hear
requests
for
certificates
of
appropriateness
for
alterations,
demolitions,
new
construction
and
other
work
within
historic
districts
or
for
the
alteration
and
demolition
of
historic
landmarks
and
other
duties,
including
preliminary
review
of
subdivisions
as
specified
in
the
ordinance
for
the
HRC.
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All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
in
this
meeting.
Virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
the
Commission
meetings
in
this
little
bit
different
format.
We
are
streaming
live
on
the
city's
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
as
well
as
through
the
link.
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F
E
C
D
Did
you
get
Commissioner
lisara's
I
did.
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A
vocal
roll
call
vote
for
each
vote.
Additionally,
I'll
ask
that
Commissioner
members
raise
their
hand
to
speak
and
I
will
call
on
you
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
always
see
everybody's
video.
So
if
I'd,
if
I
I'm,
overlooking
you
at
any
point
in
time,
please
feel
free
to
unmute
and
interject,
with
whatever
your
thoughts
are.
We
are
going
to
first
adopt
the
minutes
from
our
March
11th
2020
meeting
for
the
HRC.
The
meetings
include
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
for
certificates
of
appropriateness.
C
We
will
now
begin
the
evidentiary
hearings
for
the
items
listed
on
the
agenda
as
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding.
The
HRC
is
not
setting
policy,
nor
are
we
soliciting
public
opinion
on
the
desirability
of
an
application.
The
HRC
hears
and
considers
evidence
presented
and
applies
the
standards
set
forth
in
the
guidelines
and
standards
of
the
specific
historic
district
for
that
application.
The
HRC
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
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C
It's
not
susceptible
to
change
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
will
not
have
engaged
in
ex
parte
communication
regarding
the
application.
The
rules
for
speaking
are
as
follows.
This
meeting
is
open
to
the
public,
but
participation
is
limited
to
interested
parties
who
wish
to
provide
comment
or
testimony
regarding
the
proposal.
C
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
real
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion
witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
administer
the
oath
for
all
of
the
individuals
that
are
currently
present
with
us
in
the
meeting.
This
would
be
an
ongoing
process
throughout
the
meeting
as
folks
for
other
applications
and
members
of
the
public
join
the
meeting
for
comment.
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B
H
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D
Okay,
so
this
application
is
for
new
construction
of
a
two-story
little
under
3,000
square
foot,
primary
structure
on
the
north
end
of
offered,
because
you
can
see
from
this
slide
this
sorry,
the
streets
aren't
labeled,
but
the
curving
street
is
Panola,
so
it's
on
the
very
far
in
and
the
bend
kind
of
adjacent
to
UNC
a
property
next
five
things,
so
this
application
originally
came
before
the
Commission
in
2018
and
the
plans
that
are
being
shown
right
now.
These
are
the
plans
that
were
approved
at
that
time.
The
CA
expired
for
this
project.
D
So
that's
why
this
item
is
back
before
you
today.
Shannon
next
slide,
please,
and
so
since
2018
from
that
approval,
the
main
change
to
the
design.
It's
just
the
addition
of
this
two-story
front
and
rear
porch
in
the
old
design.
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C
I
E
D
D
I
have
a
really
bad
echo.
Am
I
into
you,
but
it
just
stopped
no
okay,
so
the
original
proposal
took
three
earrings
to
get
through,
and
the
reason
why
that
was
is
the
way
that
this
lot
was
subdivided
on
the
parent
lot.
If
you
noticed
on
the
slide,
where
I
showed
the
personal
map,
there's
a
flag
left
behind
it.
So
it
was
this
kind
of
larger
master
lot.
D
You
know
fairly
in
line
with
that
building
and
there
is
some
variation
of
building
footprint
in
this
general
area
of
the
district
and
then
also
on
the
other
side
of
it
is
UNC
a
property
that
will
that's
not
subject
to
the
development
standard.
So
it's
they.
You
know
they
eventually
voted
in
favor
of
it
after
the
applicant
pulled
pulled
the
building
back
as
far
as
they
absolutely
could,
and
really
it's
mostly
the
front
porch,
that's
extending
beyond
the
front
porch
of
the
adjacent
house.
So
does
that
answer
your
question?
Will
it.
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E
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H
D
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C
Okay,
hearing
no
public
comment:
I
will
open
up
for
further
discussion
by
the
Commission
I'm.
J
Chairwoman,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
new
construction,
worksheet
or
pages
Exhibit
B
streetscape
and
perspective,
rendering
two
pages:
Exhibit
C
for
plan
site
plans
and
elevation
drawings.
Three
pages
Exhibit
D,
revised
floor
plan,
site
plans
and
elevation
drawings
received
June
26
2020
exhibit
a
revised
floor
plan,
site
plans
and
elevation
drawings
received
June
29th
2020
exhibit
F
window
door,
siding
lighting
and
trash
enclosure
specifications
10
pages
received
June
29th
2020
exhibit
G
partial
map
exhibit
H
roofing
specifications.
Eight
pages
received
July
26
2020,
exhibit
I
skylight
specifications.
J
Three
pages
received
July
6
2020
exhibit
J
revised
color
palette,
July
6
2020
exhibit
K
revised
new
construction
worksheet
four
pages
received
July
6
2020
exhibit
L
revised
fruit.
Food
specifications
received
your
life.
Seventh
2020
exhibit
M
revised
color
palette,
received
July,
7
2020
and
the
Commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members.
Yes,
very
good,
I
move
that
this
Commission
approved
the
preliminary
wait
a
minute.
Sorry.
J
Number
one
that
the
application
is
to
construct
a
new
two
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventy
square
foot
two
and
a
half
story:
primary
structure.
The
structure
will
have
a
stuccoed
foundation,
smooth
hardiplank
lap,
siding
with
5-inch
reveal
and
fiber
cement,
shingle
siding
with
straight
edge
and
six
inch
exposure
front
and
rear
porches
will
be
supported
by
stucco
peers
with
paint
and
square
lattice
between
porters
will
have
8
inch
by
8
inch
post
with
2
inch
by
2
inch,
wood
pickets
at
3,
inches
on
center
Florine
and
stairs
will
be
wood.
J
D
J
Roofing
material
be
standing,
seam,
metal
and
charcoal
gray.
Color
windows
will
be
Windsor,
pinnacle
1
over
1
double
hung,
aluminum,
clad
and
single
light,
aluminum,
clad,
awning
and
charcoal
gray.
Whenever
one
storm
windows
will
be
installed
over
double
home
hung
windows,
120
two
and
a
half
by
45
and
3/4
of
Velux
skylight
will
be
mounted
on
the
west
facing
portion
of
the
roof.
Pedestrian
doors
will
be
12
light
over
wood
panel
and
single
pane
aluminum
clad
two
pairs
of
carriage
house
wood
panel
garage
door.
J
Retaining
walls
at
the
sides
of
the
driveway
wall
heights
would
be
between
three
foot
to
four
foot:
six
construct:
a
six
foot
long
by
five
foot
tall
up
by
three
foot
wide
painted
wood
enclosure
for
garbage
receptacles
at
the
south
end
of
the
driveway
install
HVAC
unit
on
the
east
elevation
install
new,
concrete
walkway
from
front
entry
to
the
street,
remove
one
which
mature
poplar
tree
and
lund
mature
in
luxury
to
accommodate
construction.
All
other
trees
will
be
provided
tree
protection
as
necessary
during
construction
site.
J
A
substantially
wooded,
no
new
trees
are
required,
foundation,
plantings
will
be
installed.
Ground
cover
must
be
established
within
15
days
of
completion
of
construction,
and
the
remainder
of
the
landscaping
must
be
installed
within
three
years.
If
archaeological
resources
are
discovered
during
site,
work,
work
will
cease
until
City
staff
have
been
notified
and
if
inspected
the
site,
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
are
approvals,
as
required
by
law
must
be
obtained
before
work.
J
Make
commits
number
two
that
the
standards
for
new
construction
primary
structures
found
on
pages
92
to
93
fences
and
walls.
On
pages
40
through
41
landscaping
and
trees,
on
pages
40
through
41
lighting
on
pages
40
to
42
through
43
utilities
and
mechanical
systems,
on
pages
83
through
83
archeology
on
pages
32
through
33
and
walkways
driveways
and
off
street
parking
on
pages
50
through
51
in
the
Montford
historic
district
poseidon
review
guidelines
adopted
april
14th,
2010
and
amended
december
11th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Number
3.
J
In
the
district
II,
the
size,
location,
materials
of
windows
and
doors
are
compatible
and
placement
orientation
spacing
proportion,
size
and
scale
with
surrounding
historic
buildings.
F
materials
and
finishes
are
typical
of
the
neighborhood
and
are
compatible
and
composition.
Texture
pattern
detailing
color
to
historic
materials
found
in
the
district
G
the
rococo.
D
J
Thank
you.
Retaining
walls
will
have
stucco
h,
driveway,
walkway
and
patio
will
be
constructed
of
concrete
and/or
brick.
I
landscape
plan
incorporates
foundation,
plantings
of
native
or
regionally
adapted
species
tree
6,
inches,
DBH
or
greater
will
be
protected
during
construction
number
4
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruent
with
a
special
historic
character
of
the
Montford
historic
district.
Second,.
C
J
C
E
D
D
So
this
is
the
site
plan.
The
property
is
located
at
the
corner
of
9th
Street
and
Elizabeth
Street
and
just
to
clarify
on
the
front,
and
the
request
is
for
982
square
foot
accessory
structure
just
to
anticipate
any
questions
that
you
all
might
have
about.
The
size
limitations
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
just
a
note
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
utilized
or
per
minute
as
an
Adu,
it's
the
studio
space,
so
it
can
exceed
the
800
square
feet.
That's
allowed
for
gaming
use,
so
I
have
a
later
slide.
D
But
just
a
note,
the
proposed
accessory
structure
footprint
that
you
see
on
this
slide.
There
was
actually
a
historic
structure
located
there
at
some
time
that
was
been
later
replaced
with
something
else,
but
I've
got
the
Sanborn
maps
in
a
couple
of
later
slides.
If
you
want
to
see
so
Shannon,
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide
now,
this
is
just
an
image
of
the
front
of
the
primary
structure
and
it
looks
fairly
diminutive
in
this
picture.
D
So
it's
dass
opinion
that
the
accessory
structure
is
compatible
with
the
size
and
overall
proportion
of
the
main
house
Shannon.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
For
me,
this
is
the
rendering
that
shows
kind
of
you're
looking
at
from
Elizabeth
Street,
both
structures
and
I
think
this
rendering
honestly
looks
a
little
bit
deceiving
in
terms
of
I.
D
Guess
not
deceiving.
Isn't
the
right
word
I
feel
like
this
sort
of
makes
that
look
bigger
than
I
think
it
will
appear
within
the
landscape.
It
looks
like
the
footprint
of
the
old,
like
the
historic
structure
that
was
there
was
pretty
much
in
the
same
foundation,
shape
I
think
it
was
truly
a
one
story
structure
way
back
then,
but
obviously
the
guidelines
now
do
allow
for
one
and
a
half
story.
So
this
is
what
the
what
it
will
basically
look
like
from
the
side
if
you're
looking
at
it
from
Elizabeth
Street
next
slide,
please
Shannon!
D
That's
just
an
image
of
the
street
view
looking
at
the
same
at
the
same
view,
so
it's
kind
of
the
topography
Rises
slightly
from
the
street,
so
the
building
will
be
tucked
back
on
to
that
back
corner
and
I
think
will
be
like
look
further
away
than
it
looks
than
that.
Not
rendering
that
you
see
is
straight
on
next
slide.
Please
Shanna.
D
Sorry,
if
I
go
too
fast,
anyone
you
can
tell
me
to
slow
down
at
any
point.
This
is
a
little
different
in
terms
of
presenting
format.
So
so,
if
I'm
moving
too
fast,
just
let
me
now
so
this
is
the
Sanborn
map.
As
you
can
see,
this,
the
house
had
a
different
number.
It
was
132,
which
is
a
little
bit
hard
to
see
on
the
screen,
but
if
we
saw
it
in
your
packet,
it's
the
one.
D
That's
like
roughly
pretty
much
right
in
the
middle
of
the
of
the
slide
so
that
two-story
dwelling
with
the
little
accessory
unit.
That's
tucked
right
back
behind
it.
It's
the
same
same
location,
pretty
much
just
oriented
a
little
bit
differently,
so
so
yeah
and
then
I
think
the
next
slide
I
have
sorry
Shannon
I'm
trying
to
follow
along
with
you
on
my
my
screen,
so
that
I
know
where
I
need
to
go
next
and
remember
what
I
included.
D
So
the
next
couple
of
slides
are
there's
floor
plans
and
then
the
elevation
drawings
or
may
be
more
pertinent
to
go
through
and
talk
about.
They
I
think
we're
very
thoughtful
about
you
know
taking
it
stuff,
just
feedback
in
matching
the
primary
structure,
details
and
particular
the
windows
as
they
worked
on
those
some
to
mimic
thee
in
your
pocket.
There's
an
image
of
the
sleeping-porch.
D
C
J
D
J
D
D
There
is
so
as
Brian
is
describing
on
the
1951
scan
where
map,
if
you
have
your
materials,
open
or
I,
can
still
the
steering
from
Shannon,
and
it's
helpful
there
in
the
location
of
the
Sanborn
map
image
that
we
both
accessory
structure.
We
were
just
showing
to
you.
There
is
it's
the
top
one
Shannon.
D
Thank
you.
So,
as
you
can
see
like
on
the
property
on
the
corner
of
plan
Elizabeth
right
there,
there
are
the
kind
of
side
by
side
accessory
units
together
behind
the
building
in
the
same
location.
So
to
your
point,
Brian
the
Commissioner
Muppet.
The
footprint
is
larger
at
that
point
in
time
than
it
than
it
was
originally.
C
M
C
Okay,
so
if
the
three
of
you
could
please
raise
your
right
hand
and
then
I
will
ask
you
to
respond
one
at
a
time
as
I
call
your
name
once
I've
read
through
the
swearing-in.
Could
please
raise
your
right
hand?
Do
you
solemnly
swear
to
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
before
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth,
Steven
Vaughn,
Nichols
I
do.
N
We're
open
to
questions,
but
I
will
say
that
we've
been
working
on
this
project
for
really
since
last
year
and
we've
been
very
sensitive
to
the
commissioners
requirements
and
to
the
best
of
our
abilities.
We've
addressed
the
HRC's
planning
guidelines
and
we'll
build
it
and
we'll
continue
to
do
our
best
to
be
appropriate
to
the
neighborhood
yeah.
M
A
C
C
P
Okay,
senator
Mitchell
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
form
134.
One
Street
chairman,
based
upon
the
evidence
permit
presented
to
this
commission,
including
Exhibit
A
existing
and
proposed
site
plans,
Exhibit
B,
Street,
View,
renting,
rendering
Exhibit
C
photographs
of
subject
property.
Eight
pages
extended,
D
window
indoor
specifications,
25
pages,
exhibit
e'en
new
construction.
Worksheet
four
pages
exhibit
F
four
plans:
route
planning,
elevation,
drawings,
five
pages,
exhibit
things
of
in
G,
1951
Sanborn,
fire
insurance
and
math
exhibit
H
1917
Sanborn
fire
insurance
map
exhibit
I,
revised
or
and
lighting
specification.
D
P
It
was
a
republishing
in
the
1925
document
for
clarity
and
the
commissioners.
The
Commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
by
all
movers
except
I,
moved
in
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
application
is
to
remove
existing
non-historic
utility
of
building
old
brick
accessory
structure
foundation,
section
of
existing
drive
eight
and
one
18
inch
and
the
churun
Eastern
hemlocks,
another
property,
boundary
and
location
of
new
accessory
structure
constructed
one
and
one
that
story.
P
182
square
foot,
accessory
structure
adjacent
to
the
southern
property
boundary
in
rear
yard,
conforming
with
setbacks
and
structure
will
have
five
inch
reveal,
would
laugh
and
seven
inch
exposure,
wood,
shingle,
siding
and
gray
asphalt.
Shingle
group
matching
primary
sure
all
sighing
materials
will
be
painted
to
match
primary
structures.
Structure
windows
will
be
weathershield,
aluminum,
clad
one
over
one.
Double
long
and
eight
light
and
four
light.
Stl
on
doors
will
be
wood.
Twelve,
like
French
and
wood.
With
half
light
/
panel
concrete
pads
will
be
installed
in
front
of
doors.
P
One
42
inch
by
38
inch
by
14
inch
mini-split
unit
will
be
installed
on
adjacent,
install
upon
adjacent
to
South
elevation
of
new
structure
due
to
limited
area
hostas
will
be
planted
along
North
elevation
and
around
parking
area
western
edge.
Exposing
parking
area
will
be
slightly
expanded
along
with
new
concrete.
If
archaeological
resources
are
discovered
during
side
work,
work
will
cease
until
city
staff
has
been
notified
and
inspected,
the
site
have
been
notified
and
inspected
aside.
All
permits,
variances
and
provable,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
in
the
port
of
work.
P
This
application
does
meet
his
design
standard
for
the
following
reasons:
a
proportion
of
new
accessory
structural
is
compatible
with
the
main
house
in
terms
of
light
footprint
and
massive
new
stretch.
Accessory
structure
is
not
more
than
30%
of
the
scale
of
the
main
house
and
is
not
taller
than
one.
When
that
stories
be
new
accessory
structure
has
a
traditional
room,
form
materials
and
details
compatible
with
the
meet
main
building
and
other
historic
accessory
structures.
In
the
district,
see
new
accessory
structure
will
be
cited
in
a
location
where
a
previous
accessory
structure
existed.
P
That
is
in
keeping
with
a
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
relationships,
two
primary
structures,
traditional
the
ancillary
buildings,
orientation
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures,
item
D,
new
structure,
new
accessory
structure.
Has
it
a
traditional
route
for
materials
and
details
compatible
with
the
main
building
and
other
historic
accessory
structure
constructed
in
the
district?
He
knew
McCaffrey
M
will
be
located
adjacent
to
the
rear
elevation
of
nobility,
and
for
that,
the
action
and
improvements
proposing
the
application
before
us
were
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
P
A
I
P
C
D
D
Okay,
thank
you
to
kite
Shannon.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
slide
for
new
things
right,
so
this
application
is
for
preliminary
subdivision
approval
request
to
subdivide
an
existing
1.72
acre
parcel
on
Pearson
Drive
and
to
two
Lots
one
being
one
point,
three
one:
seven
April
lot
containing
the
existing
historic
structure
and
they
non-historic
non-historic
accessory
structure
that
are
located
on
the
site
and
then
the
new
lap
will
be
0.43
acre
lot
fronting
on
Pearson
Drive,
which
we'll
look
at
on
the
next
slide.
I
just
wanted
to
get
you
as
far
as
like
the
aerial.
D
What
you're
looking
at
there
as
you
can
see
the
historic
structure.
That's
existing
on
this
site
is
to
the
southeast
of
the
lot
it's
kind
of
in
this
on
the
site
plant
or
on
the
proposed
pot.
It
looks
like
a
little
bit
of
a
funky
subdivision.
However,
they
do
need
driveway
access
to
the
structure
beyond
and
on
the
next
slide.
Shannon,
as
you
can
see
on
the
Sanborn
map,.
D
J
D
It
is
a
weird
light:
I
didn't
ask
them
that,
to
be
honest,
I
don't
feel
like
having
the
driveway.
There
is
not
very
visible
as
you're
going
down
the
street
so
and
I
think
that
if
you,
if
any
new
development
on
this
parcel
occurs,
I,
don't
think
that
the
driveways
will
be
competing
with
one
another,
which
is
sometimes
what
we
see
right
so
but
I
mean
that's
a
good
question
and
maybe
the
applicant
can
can
speak
to
that
and
what
they're
required
in
terms
of
accessing
that
structure.
That's
on
a
lot.
D
C
Q
Q
C
Q
Q
Q
Q
L
J
That
she
provided
in
the
tree
canopy
they
when
you
zoom
in
you,
can
see
them
a
little
bit
better.
It's
in
the
aerial
map.
There
you
go.
There's
two
pretty
large
deciduous
trees
that
if
you
extended
the
existing
truncated
driveway
to
try
to
connect
to
the
studio,
you
would
have
to
pass
right
under
and
probably
disturb
those
trees.
So
they're
there
they're
working
to
both
preserve
existing
tree
canopy,
as
well
as
meet
the
historic
pattern
and
so
I
I.
Don't
have
any
objections
to
the
proposed
application.
A
K
Have
a
question
for
the
applicant:
go
ahead:
GU,
you
know.
One
of
the
things
that
is
in
the
guidelines
that
were
tasked
with
keeping
an
eye
on
is
to
making
sure
that
known
archaeological
resources
that
are
significant
district
are
protected.
We
don't
know
whether
there's
something
there,
but
the
fact
that
you're,
essentially
building
over
a
known
large
residence
you're,
not
just
now
building
means
that
there's
probably
a
good
chance
you're
going
to
come
across
things.
Possibly
that
are
archaeological
and
resources
is
there?
N
K
D
I
will
just
add
that
that
when
ever
there
is
a
development
proposal,
obviously
helpful
for
you
all
Kevin
to
consider
that
on
the
front
end
of
things
but
will
also
cross
that
bridge
and
include
language.
You
know
the
appropriate
language
in
the
CA,
if
you
know,
and
when
development
is
approved
for
the
site
in
terms
of
making
sure
we
are
may
aware
of
any
resources
that
might
be
discovered
either
before
or
during
construction.
So.
C
J
Yes,
I
move
that
this
Commission
approved
the
preliminary
subdivision
approval
based
on
the
following
number
one
that
the
application
is
to
subdivide
an
existing
1.7
to
acre
parcel
into
a
one
point.
Three
one:
seven
acre
lot
containing
the
existing
structures
and
a
0.43
anchor
lot
fronting
on
Pearson
Drive
number:
two:
that
the
standards
for
new
construction
primary
structures
found
on
pages
92
and
93
in
the
Montford
historic
district
guidelines
adopted
April,
14,
2010
and
amended
December
14
2016
and
the
unified
development
ordinance
section.
715
one
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
J
Number
three:
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
following
reasons
a
the
subdivision
of
Lots
would
allow
for
new
development
features
at
a
minimum
to
be
built
in
a
manner
that
is
congruent
with
the
special
character
of
the
historic
district,
as
it
relates
to
building
setbacks,
orientation
and
consistency
with
the
historic
development
pattern.
B.
The
new
lot
with
existing
structures
will
retain
its
congruence
with
the
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
building
orientation,
setback,
retention
of
green
space
retention
of
tree
canopy
and
spacing
between
structures
added
something
there.
C
J
C
C
Okay,
that
concludes
our
hearing
for
72
73,
Pearson
drive
and
Montford
historic
district
Alex.
If
it's
all
right
with
you,
I'm
gonna
request
a
motion
for
the
continuance
of
74
st.
Dunstan's
circle
in
the
st.
Dunstan's
historic
district
and
then
take
a
quick
break
before
we
get
to
the
following.
The
last
three
remaining
items
on
the
agenda:
I
move.
C
Will
vote
again
by
roll
call,
vice-chair
Eakins
I'm
Commissioner
Hornaday
aye
Commissioner
Lazarus
aye
Commissioner
Moffitt
by
commissioner
spring
aye
Commissioner
Watson's
aye
Commissioner
West
I,
chair
kite
aye
motion
has
passed
to
continue
74
st.
Dunstan's
circle
to
the
August
HRC
meeting.
Now
I
would
like
to
invite
everyone
for
about
a
five
minute
break,
and
then
we
will
reconvene
for
the
remaining
three.
Q
C
C
C
D
I
can
hear
you
and
just
one
quick
note
that
bill
sent
me.
Maybe
I
got
a
typo,
but
for
that,
oh
he
clarified
that
a
swear
or
affirm
not
swear
to
affirm
but
I
guess
they
can't
swear
unless
they
have
a
Bible
right
then
so
we
could
just
say:
affirm:
I,
guess:
okay,.
C
C
D
D
Right,
so
this
application
is
for
has
a
few
different
parts
to
it.
So,
as
some
of
you
may
have
read
in
the
news
some
time
ago,
there
is
a
group-
that's
working
food
food
hall
into
the
smw,
with
the
anchor
tenant
being
Highland
Brewing,
and
so
at
this
point
they
have
been
patiently
waiting
for
many
months
to
do
some
site
work
to
allow
for
outdoor
dining,
which
is
one
component
that
we'll
talk
about
today,
and
they
also
are
proposing
some
signage
for
the
building,
as
well
as
a
new
front
entry
door.
D
D
A
note
on
the
on
the
stock
reporter
that
we
have
communicated
to
miss
Belle,
gala
and
the
applicant,
but
we
do
need
the
rendering
for
or
the
door
which
we
understand
will
be
custom,
so
that
will
just
need
to
be
a
condition
on
the
CA
when
we
get
to
that
point
that
we
have
that
at
some
point
for
stock
review.
If
you
all
are
comfortable
with
that,
but
we
don't
have
any
concerns
about
the
proposed
design
of
the
new
door
per
se.
D
It
sounds
pretty
straightforward
in
terms
of
what
you
typically
see
for
a
early
20th
century
commercial
structure
that
has
been
rehabilitated
so
in
this
image,
I
think
helpful
place
to
start
to
go
into
signage.
Just
I
think
I
might
be
going
out
of
order,
though
let's
let's
talk
about
the
outdoor
dining
first.
This
is
an
old
image
showing
that
the
doors
at
some
point
in
time
and
I'll
let
misspell
Gowan,
has
a
thorough
knowledge
of
kind
of
she's
done.
D
A
lot
of
reconnaissance
on
the
available
archival
photographs
in
trying
to
kind
of
cross-reference
to
understand
how
the
front
entry
looked
over
time,
not
just
for
the
doors
but
for
the
awnings
or
for
the
awning.
That's
there
presently,
and
so
this
is
just
an
image
showing
you
know
some
context
at
a
point
in
time.
You
can't
really
see
the
doors
there,
but
it
looks
like
they
were
at
that
point
in
time
and
it's
hard
to
tell
exactly
what
what
they
look
like.
D
Ok,
so
if
can
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Shannon
and
I'll
just
talk
about
the
site
plan.
So
probably
one
of
the
main
things
we
will
talk
about
today.
Besides
the
entry
is
this
sidewalk
expansion
that
they
are
applying
to
the
city
to
do
to
allow
for
outdoor
dining
in
front
of
the
building
and
I
think
the
city
staff
as
a
whole
have
been
supportive
of
this
idea,
part
in
part,
because
this
building
has
really
struggled
to
keep
a
tenant
in
it.
D
It's
obviously
a
very
unique
space,
and
so
I
think
that
having
outdoor
dining
is
great
for
this
location
to
you
know,
draw
draw
customers
to
the
building
so
that
they
can
enjoy
the
space.
We
did
work
with
the
architect
on
trying
to
minimize
the
visual
impact
of
the
outdoor
dining
features
to
the
front
facade,
obviously
the
as
even
I
think
it's
in
the
National
Register
nomination
that
Ellington's,
which
was
for
this
building
to
be
highly
visible.
D
D
D
Sorry,
there's
four
foot
I
think
I
poured
four
inches
in
the
sea
request,
but
it's
four
feet:
Fowler's
metal
bollards
with
the
chain
height
will
be
at
32
inches,
and
then
there
will
be
four
of
these
black
steel
planters.
That
kind
of
also
help
delineate
the
space
which
is
required
for
ABC,
permitting
for
outdoor
dining,
that
there'd
be
some
barrier
between
the
pedestrian
movement
and
the
people
that
are
utilizing
that
space.
D
So
there
is
a
one
thing:
that's
important
to
note
that
I
added
to
the
to
the
staff
report
fairly
late,
because
this
is
a
site
improvement
to
a
city
sidewalk.
There
is
a
requirement
that
they
plant
street
trees
and
buy
something
that
I
want
to
get
the
feedback
from
the
Commission
on
it's
critical
to
the
applicant.
They
don't
really
want
to
plant
trees
in
front
of
the
building
need
to
talk
about.
D
If
there
were
trees
required
that
they
could
be
kind
of
punctuated
at
the
edges
of
the
building
facade,
I,
think
to
the
building
to
the
west.
It
would
be
like
in
between
the
snw
itself
and
an
ability,
adjacent
and
then
I,
think
and
the
architect
can
clarify
this-
that
the
second
Street
tree
would
be
where
between
the
two
entrances
on
SMW
but
I'll.
Let
her
clarify
on
that.
So
we
need
to
get
a
clear
ruling
on
you
from
the
HRC.
D
Almost
whether
or
not
you
think
Street
bridge
street
trees
should
be
required
here
or
whether
you
think
they
will
inhibit
the
view
of
the
front
facade
of
the
building
as
one
comes
down,
Haywood
Street,
so
those
are
the
site
features
to
consider.
There
will
be
some
other
aside
from
the
tables
just
to
know
there
won't
be
any
other
vertical
features
than
what's
shown
here.
There
won't
be
any
umbrellas
or
other
things
that
stick
in
front
of
the
windows:
we're
really
trying
to
help
them,
keep
it
low.
D
D
Next
slide,
please
Shannon,
so
the
third
piece
to
that
we
are
considering
or
that
you
all
are
considering
today
are
the
signage
option.
So
this
building,
obviously
when
you're
looking
at
the
front
facade,
has
pretty
much
covered
and
architectural
features
which
make
signage
a
challenge
for
any
tenants
here.
So
they
have
developed
a
plan
for
doing
a
blade
sign
underneath
the
existing
awning
that
would
be
suspended,
and
so
that
wouldn't
actually
patch,
where
interfere
with
the
with
the
awning
from.
D
Like
from
terms
of
like
damage
again
anyway,
I
think
they've
designed
it
really
carefully.
There
are
two
different
options
for
the
blade
sign.
There's
this
option,
which
is
there
I,
have
it
as
option
one,
because
it's
the
way
my
slides
are
ordered,
but
it's
actually
there's
there
number
two
option
preferred
option
for
color
for
the
side,
so
I've
noted
that
as
a
concern
I
understand
that
they
want
signage
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
think
it's
completely
appropriate
under
awning
we
have.
D
However,
I,
don't
I,
don't
completely
disagree
with
it
as
an
option,
but
I
do
have
some
hesitancy
about
it.
I
think,
if
stop
we're
gonna
recommend
Shannon.
We
go
to
the
next
slide
for
me
please.
So
this
is
the
obviously
everyone
knows
Highlands
logo-
and
this
is
the
red-
is
kind
of
their
signature.
Color
I,
don't
not
convinced
about
is
the
appropriate
color
for
this
building.
D
26,
just
few
slides
back
the
line
of
the
front
of
the
building,
not
that
historic
one
but
the
ones
look
at
that.
One.
Thank
you.
So
you
can
see
where
they've
shown
the
edge
of
the
blade
sign
and
it's
pretty
minimal.
My
suggestion
would
be
that
it,
maybe
it's
black,
so
that
you
see
it
less
as
it
hangs
down
and
you're
looking
at
it
straight
on.
D
So
those
are
my
thoughts
on
the
blade
side.
There's
also
a
shannon.
If
you
go
to
slide
well,
I
didn't
include
any
slides
of
the
window
decal,
but
you
can
see
it.
If
you
go
back
to
sorry
the
slide.
We
were
just
on
to
the
left
of
the
entry
door
that
gold
paint
and
gold
sign
that
would
be
like
there
multi-tenant
signage,
to
show
who's
occupying
the
main
space.
D
On
the
first
floor
of
the
market,
there
will
be
I,
don't
know
five
or
six
vendors
in
there,
so
that
will
identify
those
business
names
they're
also
requesting
a
sandwich
board
sign
that
we
placed
on
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
building
and
I
think
we're
still
waiting
for
feedback
from
services
on
whether
that
other
sign
could
be
included
and
the
other
one
is
for
the
x
bar,
which
is
at
the
secondary
entrance
to
the
left
of
the
main
insurance.
They
have.
D
D
R
Yeah
I
have
one
question:
this
is
Stephanie
West
I
know
that
in
the
application
it
was
mentioned
that
there
was
not
going
to
be
any
umbrellas
or
anything
like
that
as
part
of
the
patio
seating
is
that
something
that
is
I,
guess
enforceable,
I
mean
I
would
hate
to
vote
YES
on
this
and
then
in
two
years
see
that
new
owners
or
something
put
up
a
bunch
of
umbrellas
on
that
patio,
which
kind
of
you
know,
doesn't
allow
that
you
know
visibility
from
Haywood,
Street,
yeah.
D
So
that's
that's
a
good
question.
So
if
it's
not
included
and
the
CA
approval,
then
it
would
be
something
they
would
have
to
apply
for
in
the
future.
They
wanted
it
and
if
they
put
up
umbrellas
without
or
any
other
feature
without
getting
a
CA,
then
they're,
technically
a
violation
of
the
ordinance.
So
so
I
understand
that.
But
it's
you
know
something
that
we
we
would
have
to
just
you
know.
D
Hopefully
the
odors
and
the
property
management
team
are
diligent
and
helping
manage
that
you
know
so
that
there
aren't
things
happening
that
are
outside
of
what's
what's
been
approved
in
this
CA,
but
we
would
cross
that
bridge.
If
you
know
they
decided
that
they
wanted
to
have
umbrellas
or
some
other
feature
at
a
later
date,
we
would
we
would
bring
that
back
to
the
Commission
or
the
crew
that
stopped
through
that
staff
level.
If
we,
if
it
were
something
minor
that
weren't
you
know
highly
visible,
it's
like
an
umbrella.
S
Thank
you.
I,
like
Emily
spring
I,
had
a
question
regarding
the
trees.
Did
you
say
before
these
were
required
by
by
someone?
Yes,.
E
E
J
D
And
I
think
that
in
the
we've
had
multiple
internal
discussions
on
this
issue
and
my
feedback
to
the
other
city
staff
was
that
I
have
some
concerns
about
it.
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
all
would,
but
ultimately
it's
up
to
you.
So
if
you
thing
to
go
to
the
street
trees,
unfortunately,
the
applicants
still
don't
have
to
go
to
to
wash
all
sort
of
in
compliance
to
the
urban
forestry.
For.
D
The
alternative
compliance
to
not
have
the
street
trees,
but
your
decision,
if
you
say
no
street
trees,
that
gives
them
you
know
that's.
Basically
it
will
help
the
process
or
alternate
for
clients
did
not
have
the
trees.
Otherwise,
if
you
all
are
okay
with
the
trees,
they're,
then
gonna
go
to
the
alternative
compliance
and
you
know,
make
their
pace
based
on
their
own
reasons,
for
the
for
not
having
street
use.
Does
that
make
sense,
yeah.
L
G
I
I
D
Yeah,
so
just
to
clarify
anything,
that's
not
included
in
the
CA
request
is
basically
not
approved,
like
they're.
What
they're
asking
for
is
described
in
the
CA,
and
that
is
what
you
all
would
be
issuing
an
approval
for.
So
anything
else
that
came
up
later
that
they
might
want
to
do
would
have
to
be
routed
back
through
the
review
process.
C
C
T
Okay,
so
I
am
Diana
Bell,
Gowen,
I'm,
the
architect
for
the
project
and
I.
Guess
probably
the
thing
that
I
should
addressed
first
is
the
trees
we
as
the
we
are
strongly
opposed
to
trees
on
this
site,
because
I
mean
even
in
the
writings
that
we
found
from
Douglas
Ellington.
It
was
always
his
intent
that
this
building
be
cited
for
its
view
down.
Hey
would,
it
does
not
historically
had
trees
and
we
are
not
proposing
the
addition
of
any
trees.
T
That's
why
we
have
some
planters,
because
we
think
greenery
is
important,
but
not
trees,
also
I'm
not
sure
how
this
all
falls
in,
but
we
do
have
a
permit
for
the
sidewalk
expansion
based
on
it
not
having
trees,
and
we
have
been
told
by
Ben
woody
that
trees
are
not
required.
We've
been
given
that
information
in
writing
so
I'm
not
sure
why
the
trees
are
coming
back
now,
but
I
guess.
As
far
as
the
Commission
goes,
we
would
appreciate
the
Commission
weighing
in
against
trees
in
front
of
this
buildings.
T
I
think
it's
just
such
an
important
building,
it's
so
visually
detailed.
It
doesn't
matter
what
the
trees
would
be.
They're
gonna
take
away
and
distract
from
this
important
facade,
so
that
would
be
my
thought
in
that
and
I
just
want
to
make
one
clarification
also
does
something
Alex
said
earlier
about
the
bollards
that
we're
proposing
you
had
mentioned,
that
there
were
48
inches
high
and
what
we're
actually
proposing
is
36
inch,
high
bollards
and
then
the
chains
will
start
at
32
because
we
want
to
keep
it.
T
T
Actually
excuse
me,
I
have
I,
do
have
one
other
thing.
I
would
like
to
sort
of
bring
before
the
Commission
in
terms
of
questions.
There
was
the
discussion
about
the
Highland
sign,
the
one
that
would
be
suspended
from
the
can't
be
awning
existing
awning
and
I.
Guess
I
would,
like
you
know
a
little
bit
of
direction
on
that.
T
What
we
really
you
know,
Highland
would
like
to
have
some
sort
of
visibility,
and
we
think
that,
having
a
sign
that
you
can
see
when
you're
walking
up
and
down
the
sidewalk
sort
of
tells
people
you
know
we're
here.
This
has
been
this
building's
been
a
cafeteria
since
its
inception,
but
it's
mostly
been
a
closed
restaurant
since
I
moved
to
Asheville
in
2000,
and
so
we
want
it
to
kind
of
look
alive
and
have
that
sign.
T
And
if
the
concern
about
that
sign
is
using
the
red
Highland
logo,
then
Highland
is
very
amenable
to
a
different
color.
That's
why
we
proposed
the
second
sign
in
the
packet,
which
is
black
I'm
thinking
that
that
kind
of
goes
better
with
it
and
then,
as
far
as
from
the
front
view,
that's
up
on
the
screen
having
it
be
gold
around
the
edges.
We
thought
that
that
would
be
helpful
because
of
the
gold
detailing
on
the
front
of
the
building.
T
But
if
it's
really
important
for
it
to
be
black
and
go
away
more,
you
know
I,
don't
can
we
would
be.
You
know
that
would
be
fine
too
we're
just
really
trying
to
look
for
doing
the
best
weekend
to
make
something
that
goes
well
with
the
facade
of
the
building
and
works
in
terms
of
the
colors
and
all
of
the
other
National
Park
Service
guidelines
that
were
intending
to
follow.
But
you
know
any
input
would
be
appreciated
from
the
Commission
I.
J
T
C
C
Okay,
there's
no
other
questions
for
the
applicant.
At
this
time,
I
will
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
If
you
are
listening
and
wish
to
comment
on
this
item,
now
is
the
time
to
press
star
three
on
your
phone
to
get
entered
into
the
queue
for
public
comment.
This
is
the
56th
Patton
Avenue
s,
NW
cafeteria
local,
landmark
project
that
we
are
discussing.
C
I
O
A
L
B
L
D
D
L
J
Review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
yes,
I,
move
that
this
Commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
number,
one,
that
the
application
is
replaced.
Existing
non
original
main
entry
door
with
new
painted
wood,
single
light
entry
door,
install
one
new
18-inch
diameter
by
two
and
a
half
inch
thick
round.
J
Black
framing
attached
to
a
three
and
three
quarter,
rectangular
white
metal
arm
suspended
from
the
center
of
the
existing
awning.
The
sign
will
be
attached
to
a
news
steel
to
fit
through
the
existing
awnings
of
the
integrity
of
the
on
in
itself
will
not
be
modified.
The
sign
will
be
down
lit
from
within
the
ani
install
one
new.
J
After
the
fact,
approval
for
30
inch
by
8
inch
gold
painted
window
signage
at
secondary
entrance,
widen
the
existing
sidewalk
and
install
for
its
diameter
by
36
inch
high
black
steel
metal
ball
alerts
connected
by
black
metal
chain
connected
at
32
inch
height,
which
bring
the
bollards
installed
for
36
inch
long
by
30,
inch
tall
by
10
inch
wide
black
steel
planners.
In
addition
to
bollards
as
a
perimeter
for
the
new
outdoor
area.
Is
that
good
Alex?
Yes,.
J
Periences
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence
number
two
that
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards,
specifically
the
standards
for
storefronts,
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Number
three:
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
the
existing
historic
storefront
and
decorative
features
that
are
important
in
defining
the
overall
historic
character
of
the
building
are
being
preserved,
be
the
non
original
front.
Entry
door
is
being
replaced.
The
new
painted
wood
entry
door
is
of
a
design
that
is
compatible
with
scale
size,
scale,
material
and
Colour.
J
A
district
building
see
the
new
signs
are
appropriately
scaled
and
do
not
obscure
damage
or
destroy
remaining
character.
Defining
features
of
the
historic
building
D
the
fenced
area
in
front
of
the
building
will
be
as
transparent
as
possible,
will
not
be
attached
to
the
historic
building
and
can
be
removed.
I.
J
D
J
C
D
G
Yes,
Dan
before
you
move
on.
That
concludes
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
but
I
wonder
if
it
might
be
appropriate
for
the
record
to
have
a
state
regarding
the
cheese
I
know
they
were
not
part
of
it.
The
choral
commissioners
clearly
stated
their
view
that
they
would
not
be
appropriate,
but
I.
Think
if
it
will,
it
will
help
the
situation
for
alternate
compliance.
You
might
want
to
take
a
vote
on
that
just
as
a
separate
matter.
Well,.
D
G
That
it
was
there
were
several
commissioners
who
strongly
and
I
guess
they
could
read
the
meeting
minutes,
but
I
thought
if
we
want
to
just
go
ahead
and
do
that,
it
might
be
easier
to
just
say
if
that
they
have
to
see
all
being
a
compliance.
What's
the
Commission's
view
of
that
it
avoid
it's
usually
I,
think.
E
E
C
C
C
T
C
R
F
D
K
D
D
D
D
There
was
some
information
included
in
the
project
description
about
previous
window
replacement
on
the
back
of
the
building
that
occurred
in
the
90s.
We
don't
have
any
record
on
CA
being
issued
were
thought
that
the
new
replacement
just
to
clarify
on
that.
But
there
are
some
aluminum
clad
windows
on
the
back
of
the
building
that
were
installed
back
in
the
90s
and
I've
included
an
image
or
slide
of
that
a
little
bit
further
into
the
presentation.
But
the
next
Chenier
go
to
the
next
slide,
Britney,
so
I.
D
Just
there
was
a
lot
of
information
in
this
packet.
So
I
won't
rely
on
my
slides
too
much
because
it's
pretty
hard
to
get
a
good
picture
of
the
whole
building,
also
hard
to
get.
You
know
up
close
shots
of
all
the
windows
that
are
proposed
for
replacement,
but
just
to
some
examples
of
you
know,
this
is
the
image
on
the
left
is
looking
at
the
building
from
across
Church,
Street
and
Shannon.
D
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
these
were
some
of
the
images
and
that
I
took
while
I
was
on
site
again
kind
of
hard
to
see.
If
you're,
not,
you
know
getting
up
close
and
personal,
but
the
existing
wood
windows,
which
there
are
all
existing,
pretty
much
on
the
side
in
front
elevations,
which
is
pretty
remarkable
that
we
have
commercial
building
with
this
many
window
openings
that
has
so
many
original
wood
windows,
but
they
have
they're.
D
You
know
very
detailed
in
terms
of
the
the
jams
and
all
the
sills
and
everything
so
and
there
were
a
couple
of
different
different
designs.
Not
they
didn't
vary
very
much
just
just
slightly
that
you
could
see
from
street
level
again
since
they
were
up
on
the
third
and
fourth
floor
that
we're
talking
about
kind
of
hard
to
see
and
the
image
on
there
right,
not
really
healthy,
I,
don't
think
to
you
all.
D
You
know
we
were
mostly
outside
there
were
people
occupying
the
building,
so
we
didn't
have
access
to
look
at
all
the
windows,
so
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
challenging
to
understand,
but
hopefully
went
through
the
packet
and
cross-reference
the
windows
that
were
key
to
the
elevation
plan
and
and
the
description
of
the
the
deteriorate
level
of
deterioration
that
they
were
key
to,
but
just
in
our
kind,
limited
investigation,
I
my
take
away
was
that
even
though
there
happens,
you
know
repairs
in
the
past
that
maybe
haven't
lasted
over
the
years.
D
It's
really
more
of
a
maintenance
problem
than
its
needing
to
replace
the
windows
there.
It
by
all
accounts
the
damage
that
is
described
in
the
inventory
or
the
deterioration
described
them
in
inventory.
It's
fairly
minor,
comparatively
it's
a
you,
know,
they're
being
completely
missing
sashes
or
you
know,
bricked
up
openings
where
there
are
no
new
windows
at
all
or
significant
deterioration.
We
just
didn't
see
that
it
wasn't
visibly
present
to
us,
and
our
feedback
is
that
the
windows
should
be
repaired
rather
than
replace
there
is.
There
is
some
language
that
mr.
D
Ramsey
who's
the
applicant
included
from
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
that
talks
about
replacement
of
original
windows
and
commercial
buildings,
and
it
seemed
to
indicate
that
it's
it's
okay
to
replace
with
alternative
material
if
it's
not
cost-effective
to
install
replaced
with
wood
windows.
However,
we
think
that
these
windows
for
the
most
part
can
be
repaired
and
they
don't
necessarily
also
need
to
be
replaced
and
there's
also
in
the
national
parks.
D
Exactly
I
did
ask
for
renderings
that
clearly
showed
existing
and
proposed
in
the
same
drawing
so
that
we
could
compare
exactly
like
a
detail
drawing,
but
in
my
review
of
information,
I
couldn't
deduce
based
on
just
the
measurements
and
that
and
some
of
the
scans
were
pretty
hard
to
read,
I
couldn't
introduce
and
it
seemed
like
close
from
the
measurements
that
he
noted
that
they
that
the
daylight
openings
were
potentially
the
same.
But
I
couldn't
tell
that
all
the
other
features
like
the
jamb
and
the
molding
and
the
sills
were
we're
the
same.
D
D
So
I
think
that
it
would
be
okay
to
to
replace
windows
on
the
back
for
the
aluminum
clad,
but
not
on
the
other
two
elevations,
because
they
are
highly
visible,
and
the
other
thing
to
consider
is
that,
even
though
these
are
not
third
important
floors
of
the
building,
they're
still
gonna
be
wood
windows
present
on
the
rest
of
those
two
elevation.
So
it
would
be.
You
know
unusual
to
have
that
kind
of
mix
of
materials,
and
the
last
thing
I
really
want
to
go
through
or
be
the
examples
that
that
mr.
D
Ramsey
provided
I
tried
to
go
back
in
your
files
just
to
get
a
better
idea
for
some
of
the
buildings,
in
particular
the
landmarks
that
were
included
as
examples
of
other
buildings
where
windows
have
been
replaced
so
number
one.
The
the
National
Bank
of
Commerce
immediately
behind
the
drummer
building
the
renovation
where
the
window
replacements
occurred,
took
place
prior
to
the
landmark
designation
for
that
building.
D
D
D
D
J
D
One's
a
little
bit,
maybe
more
obscure
to
find
it
is
in
the
technical
preservation
services,
not
necessarily
under
the
briefs,
have
information
and
a
lot
of
different
places.
This
was
actually
because
Jennifer
made
the
site
visit
with
me.
I
asked
her
to
summarize
her
comments
to
me,
which
I
just
got
a
little
while
ago,
and
she
forwarded
the
link
to
this.
D
So
it's
it's
just
now
something
that
I've
seen
this
before,
but
I
haven't
I,
didn't
look
at
it
in
reference
to
this
application
until
right
before
the
meeting
so
and
and
again
sorry
that
it's
a
little
bit
late
to
for
me
kind
of
getting
the
details
wrapped
up
on
this
application.
This
is
one
of
the
first
days,
I've
been
back
in
the
office
to
look
through
our
our
files
and
get
my
final
thoughts
together
on
my
staff
report.
But
and
it's
just
basically
the
the
main
things.
D
Replacement
windows
on
the
primary
straight
facing
or
any
highly
visible
elevations
that
are
part
of
the
base
of
high-rise
buildings
must
match
the
store,
windows
and
all
their
details
in
an
immaterial.
The
base
may
vary
in
number
of
stories,
but
is
generally
defined
by
mapping
or
architectural
detailing,
and.
D
I
can
also
to
Jennifer's
comments
were
that
character-defining
windows
that
are
repairable
should
not
be
replace.
She
agreed
that
it
was
okay
to
replace
my
nose
on
the
rear
elevation,
since
it's
not
character
finding,
but
she
said
that
you
know
if
you
all,
like
I
said,
were
willing
to
consider
replacement
windows.
They
should
the
the
deep
section
drawing
should
be
more
clear
in
terms
of
existing
and
proposed.
D
It's
totally
relevant
because
it
just
goes
into
further
detail.
It's
kind
of
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
are
the
parent.
You
know
guidance
on
on
all
of
it
and
then
that's
just
the
kind
of
more
working.
This
was
like
the
more
working
documents,
but
you
know
I
know
you're
very
familiar
with
in
terms
of
applying
to
rehab
projects,
so
they're
definitely
relevant
in
the
future.
I
will
certainly
make
sure
I've
I
shared
these
documents
with
you
all
or
hopefully,.
G
G
Into
more
detail,
but
they
shouldn't
it
sounds
like
they
should
be
consistent
with
the
standards
and
I
guess.
I
thought
that
yeah
someone
was,
or
maybe
the
applicant
had
seen
something
in
maybe
the
standards
or
in
this
technical
brief
that
led
them
to
believe
that
that
it
changed
the
standard
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure,
but
you're
saying
the
standard
is
payment
rather
than
replays.
D
Right
yeah
so
like
it
like.
Obviously
what
it's
saying
is
the
second
bullet
point
it
if
you're,
replacing,
if
you're,
replacing
I
think
in
terms
of
like
correlating
the
two
pieces,
that
I
was
saying
that
that
the
the
standards
document
itself
that
that
replacement
materials
can
be
considered
for
high-rise
buildings.
The
the
brief
goes
on
to
say
that
replacements
that
are
part
of
the
base
of
high-rise
buildings
mismatched
and
then
it
says
the
base
may
vary
in
a
number
of
stories,
but
is
generally
to
find
that
I'm
asking
are
architectural
detailing.
G
F
M
I
B
B
I
B
I
Then
the
other
ones
are
the
replacement
windows
and
it's
a
different
depth
today
and
I
wonder
if
that
would
be
good
to
keep
some
record
the
only
record
of
what
was
original.
It's
just
two
of
them.
If
somebody
were
to
come
in
and
completely
restore
the
building
to
have
the
original,
because
you
see
on
that
first
row,
the
first
I
guess
it's
the
second
floor
of
the
building
that
the
windows,
the
the
spacing
of
the
windows,
are
different
sizes.
The
original.
I
B
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T
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U
Hey
how
are
y'all
today
my
the
reason
for
the
application
for
replacing
the
upper
windows.
The
owners
have
spent
a
great
deal
of
time,
maintaining
the
winners
and,
if
you
get
to
looking
at
it,
it
gives
the
illusion
that
the
windows
are
in
pretty
decent
shape,
but
actuality.
They
are
filled
and
painted
and
covered
up
and
spliced,
and
they
had
to
seal
the
windows
shut
to
keep
them
from
falling.
Apart
now
about
30
windows
have
been
replaced
in
the
building
18
on
the
back
twelve
wood
windows
on
the
side.
U
On
the
third
floor,
one
storefront
went
on
the
second
floor
in
the
front
and
then
about
27
windows.
Have
replacement
sashes
out
of
those
27
windows
about
a
third
of
them
need
replaced
again
because
they're
deteriorated
again
and
really
what's
become
the
problem.
Is
we
get
a
water
infiltration
from
these
windows
they're
difficult
to
get
to
to
maintain
because
the
building
70
foot
in
the
air
on
the
backside
by
Church
Street?
U
And
so
you
go
back
and
look
at
the
window
every
three
or
four
years,
and
it's
done
gotten
past
what
it
should
be
and
the
water
starts
infiltrate
and
I.
Think
in
the
packet
there's
a
few
pictures
of
where
you
can
see
the
plaster
walls
have
deteriorated.
The
owners
really
will
want
to
take
care
of
the
building.
It's
not
an
issue
of
lack
of
maintenance
or
not
wanting
to
do
the
main
for
the
windows.
But
what
happens?
Is
you
fix
the
windows
two
three
four
years
down
the
road
you're
back
again?
U
Well,
they
take
so
much
weather
because
of
the
high
rise
that
they're
in
that
it
actually
deteriorate.
S--
the
windows
and
they
don't
keep
up
with
it,
quick
enough
where,
if
it
was
a
residence
or
something
that
natured
have
overhangs
and
be
protected,
but
in
this
particular
case
they
catch
the
full
brunt
of
the
weather
and
the
windows
have
been
there
a
great
long
time.
All
the
seals
on
the
original
windows
have
been
covered
with
metal
because
of
the
original
window.
Seal
has
deteriorated
and
keep
water
from
going
in
there.
U
They
covered
it
with
metal
and
painted
everything.
It's
just
like
the
sides,
if
you
really
get
to
looking
at
the
jams
of
the
windows,
most
of
them
are
either
filled,
splice
or
patch
they've
been
there
a
long
time.
You
know.
Another
thing
would
be
for
this
to
consider
for
y'all
to
consider
repairing
the
upper
windows
take
the
most
weather
and
they
all
take
a
lot
of
maintenance
to
maintain.
U
This
would
allow
more
money
to
be
put
into
the
feature
windows
which
are
on
the
front
or
the
curved
ones,
I've
liked
anything,
there's
so
much
money
to
go
around,
and
this
would
allow
less
maintenance
on
the
upper
windows
in
and
save
the
building
really
because
the
water
comes
in
like
a
sponge.
So
what
happens
it
leaks
in
the
windows?
Every
few
years
goes
down
into
the
masonry
pops,
the
masonary,
then
you
need
to
retype
the
masonry
and
then
repaint
the
bill
that's
been
painted,
so
it
has
to
be
painted.
U
So
the
owners
came
to
me
and
I
even
mentioned
what
we
could
replace
them
back
with
wood
windows
and
the
twelve
wood
windows
they
replaced
in
94
I
believe
it
is
have
already
deteriorated
to
the
point.
Some
of
the
seals
on
them
are
completely
gone
as
far
as
the
design
of
the
window
and
I
probably
should
have.
Forgive
me.
U
This
is
my
first
presentation
for
y'all,
so
I
could
have
been
proved
a
little
bit,
but
I
have
talked
to
Marvin
architectural,
who
dooms
to
be
the
brand
and
I've
come
up
with
a
way
to
overlay
the
new
window
onto
the
old
one.
This
here,
this
may
be
something
if
you
want
to
consider.
I
could
present
that
with
an
overlay,
the
wind
is
basically
the
same
size
daylight.
Opening
on
the
width.
There's
one
sixteenth
of
an
inch
difference
in
the
daylight
opening
on
the
height
that's
about
3/8
of
an
inch.
U
So
the
winner
is
about
the
same.
The
casing
on
the
outside
the
brick
mold
as
you
might
call
it,
but
it's
actually
a
curb
casing.
Molding
is
almost
identical
to
the
original
window.
So
we've
looked
at
the
styles
of
the
windows,
though
the
meeting
rails,
check,
rails
and
I
know
you
don't
have
that
information,
you
do
have
it
on
the
new
window,
but
you
don't
have
it
on
the
old
when
you
do
have
a
lot
of
detailed
information.
U
U
These
are
not
windows
that
you
can
go
up
there
every
year
and
work
on.
You
have
to
rent
a
lift.
You
have
the
permits
to
get
on
the
sidewalks
closed
and
so
and
they're
not
accessible
from
the
inside
anymore.
They've
all
been
sealed
shut,
and
this
is
what's
kept.
The
windows
from
falling
apart
I
mean
overall
they've
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
money
over
the
last
25
years.
I
did
talk
to
the
superintendent
and
they
do
repair
on
these
windows
on
a
constant
basis,
and
this
is
what's
brought
us
to
this
juncture.
U
That's
why
we
go
and
I
use
it
like
Alex
didn't
mention.
I
looked
at
the
crest
building,
and
here
again
I
was
just
looking
for
references.
What
people
have
done
and
an
historic
landmark.
The
Chris
building
took
everything
above
the
second
floor
and
put
it
in
aluminum
or
aluminium,
clear
building,
it's
in
your
package.
You
can
see
it
and
they
match
the
style
of
the
window,
and
my
guess
is
they
had
the
same
problem.
U
I
would
have
loved
to
have
pulled
everything
on
buildings
that
had
been
done,
but
the
mass
you
know
as
far
as
the
the
mass
and
proportion
of
the
winners
they
are
almost
identical
and
can
be
provided.
You
know
the
drawings
can
be
provided
for
that
point.
The
real
question
is:
is
this
something
that
we
can?
U
You
know
get
past
I
looked
at
the
standards
and-
and
here
again
I'm
no
lawyer,
so
I
didn't
know,
I
just
looked
at
it
and
said:
if
it
was
a
high-rise
building,
then
there
may
be
an
alternative
other
than
wood
windows,
metal
or
aluminum
windows,
and
then
I
went
through
the
city
and
tried
to
find
landmark
buildings
that
I
thought
would
match,
and
we've
done
quite
a
few
buildings
in
the
city.
So
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
experience.
U
U
U
But
most
of
the
time,
if
you
go
into,
if
you're
really
going
to
restore
a
window,
then
cutting
and
splicing
the
window
is
not
a
great
respiration
of
the
wind.
If
you're
going
to
do
that,
you
should
pull
the
wind
to
pull
the
legs
that
are
bad,
pull
the
seals,
they're
all
mortise
to
notch
to
keep
that
water
from
going
down
there.
And
so
you
know,
if
you're
looking
at
that
point,
I
think
they
just
gotten
to
a
point.
They
had
worked
on
this
actually
in
94.
U
Every
window
was
reworked
that
I
spent
a
long
time
ago
and
then
they've
been
working
on
it
for
25
years,
since
this
is
what
they
tell
me
now,
I'm,
just
giving
you
information,
that's
supplied
to
me
by
the
owner.
I
have
no
way
to
verify
it
or
tell
you
that
it's
true,
but
they
say
they
have
to
work
on
these
windows.
You
know
every
other
year
and
they
do
get
a
quite
a
few
leaks
from
the
windows
and
you
know
to
ask:
could
you
restore
it
or
replicate
the
window?
Absolutely.
U
You
could
I
think
there's
no
question
about
this.
This
is
looking
at.
What
can
we
do
to
you
know
secure
the
envelope
of
the
building
for
the
longest
amount
of
time
for
the
best
cost
and
still
maintain
the
historic
significance
of
the
building.
Without
you
know,
without
change,
it's
like
the
upper
windows.
Somebody
at
some
time
has
covered
them
and
painted
them
over
there.
Actually,
where
the
floor
joist
is
and
stuff
and
suing
Joyce's
are
on
the
roof.
Well,
they
were
supposed
to
be
obscured.
U
Glass
original
well
they've
been
covered
up
with
a
coating
of
some
sort
and
then
painted
so
those
are
no
longer
covered
in.
My
quote,
though,
is
the
manufacturer
in
all
the
specifications
in
your
packet
for
the
manufacturer
of
the
windows
also
detailing
all
the
ratings
DP
ratings
water
ratings
and
I
know
it's
technical,
but
it
does
give
you
all
that
informations
in
there.
U
The
biggest
thing
you
don't
have
is
an
overlay
from
the
old
window
to
the
new
window
other
than
some
measurements
I've
made,
but
I've
looked
at
it
and
we
could
actually
do
an
overlay
for
the
new
window
on
top
of
the
old
when
the
here
again,
I
just
found
this
out
the
other
day
and
I
didn't
have
enough
time
to
get
it
back
over
to
Alex
I'm.
Sorry,
Alex
I
didn't
push
it
to
you,
quick
enough,
but
I
didn't
realize.
We
could
do
that.
F
U
On
the
finish
itself,
it's
a
darker
color
on
the
finish
itself.
It's
a
20-year
warranty
on
the
finish.
The
windows
themselves
have
a
20
year
warranty.
You
could
see
just
with
a
reasonable
and
I,
don't
like
to
say
forever,
there's
maintenance
on
every
window.
There
is
not
a
window
that
doesn't
have
maintenance
on,
and
this
one
is
just
no
different
than
the
rest,
but
you
know
you
would
probably
be
looking
at
not
much
to
do
for
the
next
20
years
other
than
clean
the
glass.
You
could
look
at
20
years
with
nothing
to
do.
U
I
would
say:
you'd
want
to
revisit
the
caulking.
The
pain
around
the
building,
of
course,
would
need
to
be
revisited.
That
would
be
an
ongoing
thing,
but
you
would
go
every
two
or
three
years,
every
ten
years
or
maybe
20
years.
As
far
as
the
wind
goes
there,
it
wouldn't
be
so
much
on
the
Windham
as
it
would
be.
U
The
perimeter
of
the
window
is
where
you'd
want
to
make
sure
you
kept
that
sealed,
and
you
know
get
up
there
and
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
it's
just
really
difficult
to
get
to
these
windows
on
these
upper
floors.
And
so
what
happens?
Is
they
get
out
of
control
in
a
year?
You
know
you
think.
Well,
it
looks
pretty
good
from
here
and
then
you
get
up
there
and
find
out
that
half
the
Lego,
the
jams
gone
or
the
stop
is
falling
apart
or
in
some
cases
most
of
the
meeting
rails.
U
U
When
you
get
to
that
point,
that's
rotting
from
the
inside
out.
That's
not
rotting
from
the
outside.
You
and
the
water
goes
down
into
the
wood
and
the
old
windows
were
such
hard,
though
I'm
not
open
that
they
could
stand
the
water
much
better.
The
new
replacement
or
repair
parts
tend
to
rot,
let's
bicker,
but
to
answer
your
question:
are
they
repairable?
Yes,
they
could
be
repaired,
but
that
could
be
said
for
almost
any
way.
I
did
the
foundry
leaders
and
on
the
Eagle
Street
side
they
decided
they
were
going
to
replace
them
all.
U
But
technically
could
you
repair?
Yes,
you
could
have
repaired,
they
need
a
glass.
Some
of
the
sashes
need
to
be
replaced.
Could
you
repair
them?
Yes,
you
could
repair
them.
So
when
you
get
to
a
thing
of
repair
there's
you
know
you
can
repair
just
about
anything.
These
woman's.
Could
the
seals
say:
I've
got
one
in
the
back.
In
fact,
this
picture
you're
looking
at
I.
Believe
it's
the
one
to
the
top
or
the
second
one
down.
There
is
no
seal
left
on
that
window.
U
It's
gone,
there's
nothing
there,
but
the
your
the
brick
row
locked
under
the
window.
It
is
completely
deteriorated
and
the
check
rail
on
the
bottom
ones
are.
The
meeting
rails
are
completely
gone
now,
the
other
one
is
they
spent
more
time
maintaining
and
they
get
up
there
every
several
years,
so
I
am
told
to
repair
and
fill
and
try
to
keep
these
leaks
from.
You
know
infiltrating
into
the
women.
U
There
was
one
on
the
backside
on
Church
Street
and
it's
in
your
packet
there's
a
picture
it's
hard
to
see,
but
I
took
some
pictures
of
the
molding
around
the
window
and
you
can
see
where
the
moisture
just
come
in
and
just
destroyed
the
molding
around
the
women
peeled
all
the
paint
off.
Does
that
mean
everyone
is
to
that
degree?
U
Now
it
doesn't
but
but
they
all
have
issues
and
they
all
will
be
maintaining
every
two
years
or
so
and
what
usually
ends
up
happening
they
get
in
there
think
they
got
them
all
yeah
we
got
it,
it'll
be
good
and
then
too
late
it's
done
deteriorated.
Hands
like
I
said.
If
it
was,
the
lower
units
are
easier
to
spot
and
take
care
of
the
upper
units,
carry
more
weather
and
stuff
of
that
nature.
So
they
deteriorate
little
rapidly.
F
Can
I
legitimately
understand
from
what
you've
said
that
they
D
windows
worked
on
in
1994?
If
I
remember
correctly,
the
wood
portions
of
the
windows
that
were
replaced
were
replaced
instead
of
with
original
hard
pine,
they
were
replaced
with
oak,
and
that
is
a
significant
reason
for
the
current
problems.
No.
U
I
did
not
mean
to
say
that
I'm
sorry,
they
I
do
not
I
believe
they
were
prying.
Linda's
I
do
believe
and
I
can't
promise
you
this,
but
I
believe
they
told
me
they
were
Traco
windows.
This
would
be
the
same
windows
that
are
on
the
back.
That
is
my
understanding
and,
if
I'm
wrong
on
that
I
apologize,
but
that's
and
so
what
they
did.
This
is
what
brought
the
whole
issue.
U
They
went
back
and
put
all
the
men
painted
them
up,
got
them
fixed
up
in
there
and
there's
worse
shape
or
worse
shape
than
the
original
result,
but
they
have
gone
in
it's
not
like.
They
neglected
the
windows,
so
most
people
think
well,
they
just
neglected
them.
You
know
they
didn't
do
it,
but
they
deteriorate
every
2
or
3
years,
because
they're
exposed
to
so
much
weather,
and
this
is
what
creates
the
Pro.
You
know
what's
creating
the
problem,
and
so
the
owner
said,
can
we
come
up
with
a
solution?
U
That'll
be
long-term
and
they
will
protect
the
building
and
protect
the
envelope
of
the
building.
Some
of
the
pictures
you
can
see.
If
you
look
under
the
windows
you
can
see.
Actually
the
tuck
point
is:
are
the
masonry
popping
off
the
ability
and
it's
just
a
man-
you
know
it's
just
it's
nothing
leaking
they're
like
the
waterfall.
It
leaks
in
like
a
sponge
and
leaks
into
these
buildings.
So
the
reason
for
we're
asking
for
this
consideration
is
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
good
solution.
U
That's
historically
correct,
I
think
as
far
as
the
style
mass
of
the
window,
we
can
match
that
no
problem,
but
it
is
aluminum
clad
window,
not
a
woodland.
So,
as
you
get
to
looking
at
that,
you
know
that
is
a
consideration
and
I
just
tried
to
find
buildings
that
had
this
dome
and
so
I
did
the
four
examples
for
you.
I
do
not
know
all
the
history
of
those
buildings.
I
can't
tell
you
when
they
were
landmarks.
I
can
just
tell
you
that
they're
on
your
list
of
landmark
here
again
go
ahead.
Ask.
D
U
Cannot
answer
that
question
I
do
not
know,
and
so
I
don't
know
all
I
know.
Is
they
told
me
they've
been
repairing
them
on
a
regular
basis
for
25
years,
and
it's
accelerating
you
know.
As
the
windows
get
older,
they
deteriorate
quickly
and
you
can
see
where
people
have
cut
into
the
windows
changed
moldings,
even
the
sashes.
They
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
matching
it.
But
if
your
eye
is
careful,
you
can
see
the
difference
in
the
sashes,
but
the
rails
and
and
all
are
the
same.
U
But
the
profiles
on
all
the
OT,
moldings
and
stuff
are
slightly
different.
It's
not
a
bad
job,
but
due
to
the
wood,
doesn't
tend
to
hold
up
as
well.
They
started
deteriorating
themselves,
so
you've
got
the
original
windows
deteriorating.
You
got
the
repairs
back
deteriorating.
So
if
you
look
at
that,
so
from
my
point
of
view,
there's
about
like
I,
said
there's
about
31
thirty-two
windows
that
are
not
original
to
the
building
and
all
the
rest
are
original,
but
with
a
lot
of
them
having
sash
replacement.
U
So
when
you
really
look
at
the
original
image,
most
of
the
original
ones
are
the
curved
windows
due
to
the
you
know,
the
extent
of
trying
to
replacement
would
be
expensive,
and
then
there
are
course
there
are
some
windows
that
are
still
original.
They
did
happen,
but
everyone
has
been
sealed,
shut
and
screwed
shut.
Just
due
to
you
know
the
danger
of
them
coming
apart
and
stuff
of
that
nature.
C
Got
one
just
clarification,
I
think
it's
a
quick
question
in
the
packet
with
Marvin's
detailing
and
and
documentation
the
reference
to
spans
are
laughs,
I
presume
that
is
going
in
those
sort
of
arched
portions
of
the
windows
that
are
currently
painted
over.
On
the
top
floor,
where
you
said
that
the
roof
framing
is
there.
C
U
You
just
can't
see
through
it
and
I've
went
up
into
the
attic
of
the
building
and
from
the
best
I
can
tell
they
had
this
black
coating
on
the
inside
and
here
again,
I
can't
see
all
of
it,
but
it
was
black,
so
I'm,
guessing
that
it
deteriorated
over
the
years
and
looked
bad
from
the
outside.
That's
the
only
reason
I
can
think
that
they
would
have
covered
the
top
windows
and
in
painting
that's
because
it's
not
a
you
know,
added
benefit
to
the
you
know
to
the
building.
It
doesn't
make
the
building
look
better.
U
C
Commissioners,
are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
okay
hearing,
none
I'm
going
to
open
the
floor
for
public
comment.
If
you
are
listening
to
the
meeting
and
wish
to
comment
on
this
item,
which
is
48,
Patton
Avenue,
a
local
historic
landmark,
then
you
can
push
star
3
on
your
phone
at
this
time
to
be
placed
into
the
queue
for
public
comment.
C
F
Say
that
I'd
feel
a
lot
more
comfortable
with
the
application,
if
I
knew
the
applicant
had
least
consulted
a
window
restorer
and
I'm.
Also,
you
know
historic
window
was
somebody
expert
in
historic
restoration
of
windows
and
I'm,
also
very
uncomfortable
with
the
idea
of
changing
from
the
original
materials.
C
I
do
have
sort
of
ongoing
concerns
about
water
infiltration
into
historic
buildings
through
windows.
I
think
that
there
is
always
the
risk
that
ongoing
and
continued
damage
gets
done
to
these
buildings,
because
the
windows
often
present
this
kind
of
a
challenge
in
the
long
run
and
I
think
that,
obviously,
without
having
gotten
inside
the
building
and
done
a
window
by
window
assessment,
it's
hard
to
know
to
the
extent
that
that's
happening.
But
it
certainly
is.
C
J
The
Secretary
of
Interior
standards
very
much
make
preservation
of
existing
windows
a
goal.
If
you
walk
through
the
the
language
it
says
you
know
your
your
goal
should
always
be
to
preserve
the
existing
windows.
The
preservation,
brief
number
nine
repair
of
historic
wooden
windows
actually
goes
through,
and
it
has
three
classes
for
for
repair
for
what
the
call
routine
maintenance
stabilization
and
then
you
know
splices
two
parts
replacement
and
then
gets
up
into.
J
I
am
yet
to
really
see
evidence
that
they've
walked
through
those
levels
of
the
preservation,
brief
wood,
wood,
wood
show
and
then
to
get
us
to
the
point
where
we
would
all
agree.
Okay,
yes
they've
done
everything
they
can,
though,
there's
basically
my
understanding
of
it
is
that
you,
you
replace
the
window
when
there's
there's
nothing,
there's
nothing
to
repair,
it's
deteriorated
to
the
point
of
where
it
can't
be
repaired
and
that's
usually
made
on
a
window
by
window
kind
of
kind
of
understanding,
I'm
still
a
little.
You
know.
J
Even
the
applicant
said
that
you
know
the
finish
on
the
exterior
aluminum.
Clad
is
a
20-year
finish
and
the
other
wood
windows
were
installed
in
94
I'm,
a
rough
math,
that's
roughly
the
same
kind
of
lifespan,
so
I'm
the
existing
wood
windows,
I,
think,
are
very
much
a
significant
feature
and
I
would
want
to
see
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
the
replacements
compared
to
the
existing.
J
S
K
Agree
that
an
existing
window
survey
or
inventory,
perhaps
even
with
some
professional
repair
cost
estimates
in
there
would
be
helpful
and
I.
Also,
second,
mister
Moffitt's.
You
had
kind
of
gone
through
with
just
because
it's
a
new
window
doesn't
necessarily
mean
no
matter
what
the
manufacturers
say
that
it's
going
to
last
as
long
as
a
original
window,
there
have
also
been
studies
down.
The
repairing
of
wood
windows
can
also
expand
the
life
for
further
than
a
new
window,
so
that
that
is
a.
I
Think
mr.
Ramsey,
for
having
for
going
to
all
this
distance,
to
bring
this
information
and
having
a
client
who's
willing
to
explore
these
options.
It's
a
it's
an
important
as
the
oldest
commercial,
downtown,
building
and
and
I
appreciate
his
willingness
to
work
with
us
on
kind
of
these
real.
This
is
a
touchy
one
for
a
lot
of
people
and
I'd
hate
to
be
the
person
to
vote
for
replacement
wholesale
replacement
of
the
top
two
floors
better.
So.
C
U
Well,
I'd
love
to
have
the
opportunity
to
amend
this,
maybe
and
resubmit
it
with
the
additional
information
that
you
would
like
here
again.
We're
not
trying
to
do
this
shove
it
through
I
actually
went
down
to
the
permit
office.
I
was
doing
Sawyer
building
I
walked
in
there.
I
got
the
permit
for
this
building
to
replace
the
windows.
Already
I
went
back.
I
said
you
know.
U
This
is
just
too
easy
and
so
we're
back
to
the
owners,
because
the
city
said
no
you're
good
to
go
start
putting
the
meat,
so
I
went
back
to
the
owners
and
we
had
to
research
the
letter
of
appropriateness
from
the
owners,
so
we're
not
trying.
This
is
not
some
we're
trying
to
show
through.
We
wanted
to
be
right,
and
not
only
for
the
owners
for
myself
I'm
a
local
businessman
here,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everything
we
do
is
up,
and
so
we're
not.
Looking,
though
we
just
want
to
change
these
winners.
U
It'll
be
great,
you
know,
that's
not
what
we're
looking
for
we're.
Looking
as
whether
we
do
the
Sawyer
building
the
church,
3
Rankin
Avenue,
it
doesn't
matter.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
we
match
it
and
that
when
everybody
looked
at
they
say,
hey
I
can
hardly
tell
the
difference
between
the
new
and
the
old,
and
maybe
we
can
improve
the
building
envelope.
On
top
of
it,
and
at
least
I
appreciate,
y'all's
consideration
and
I
would
like
to
have
opportunity
to
kind
of
modify
this
information
and
maybe
resubmit
it
back
next
moment.
U
D
U
B
J
I
could
I
would
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
that
we
continue
to
the
August
meeting
and
then,
if
the
applicant
is
unable
to
obtain
the
information
that
he
needs
in
the
meantime,
we
can
vote
to
continue
it
again
at
the
to
the
September.
I
wouldn't
have
a
issue
with
that,
and
I
really
appreciate
your
patience
with
us.
Sorry
well.
U
I
appreciate
y'all,
consider
I
know
this
is
difficult
and
it's
not
a
straightforward
thing.
I
do
realize
that
and
as
I
told
Alex
that
this
is
going
to
be
an
uphill
battle,
and
it
just
will
I
mean,
and
we
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
want
y'all,
do
the
right
thing
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
do
the
right
thing
for
the
money.
J
C
Okay,
we
will
vote
on
the
motion
to
continue
by
roll
call,
vice-chair
Eakins
High
Commissioner
for
today
I
Commissioner
Lazarus,
I
Commissioner
Moffitt
I
Commissioner
spring.
I,
commissioner
watson,
I
chair
kite.
I
and
the
motion
carries
Grampy.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
you
at
a
future
meeting.
Thank.
C
We're
gonna
move
forward
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
283
Victoria
Road,
which
is
the
Smith
McDowell
house,
local
historic
landmark,
and
before
Alex
we
get
to
your
staff
report.
I
would
like
to
request
to
recuse
myself
from
this
application.
I
have
been
the
architect
of
record
for
this
building
on
previous
applications
for
both
a
VTech
and
winch
ax.
Who
is
part
of
this
application,
both
parties
involved,
so
I
would
like
to
recuse.
Please
I
move.
C
N
C
D
Thank
you
guys
sure
Egan's
Shannon.
Can
you
keep
out
the
not
sure
what
slide
number
doesn't
need
to
be?
It
can
be
the
next
slide.
Please
thank
you.
So
I
I'm
sure
that
every
one
of
our
commissioners
is
familiar
with
the
Smith
mcdowell
house
being
that
fullest
house
in
Asheville
and
circa
1840
next
slide.
Please
Anand.
D
So
this
is
just
an
aerial
to
give
you
guys
an
idea
of
the
building
location.
So
that's
nothing
to
house
when
it
was
originally
constructed,
was
in
a
rural
environment
and
so
was
surrounded
by
a
lot
of
open
land
like
most
of
what
is
consisting
of
the
a
BTech
campus.
That
present-day
was
part
of
the
original
parcel.
D
So
in
my
research
for
reading
the
staff
report,
I
did
realize
that
in
the
designation
ordinance
there
is
a
reference
to
the
deed
book
and
page.
However,
we
weren't
able
to
officially
establish
and
draw
out
the
boundaries
of
what
was
included
in
the
designation
ordinance.
However,
we
can
we
can
assume,
based
on
the
information
that
we
have,
that
it
was
roughly
that
area.
However,
since
that
time
that
whole
space
has
been
consumed,
mostly
with
a
BTech
facilities,
so
I
next
slide,
please
genin.
D
So
this
is
the
proposed
plant
of
a
1.8
poor,
acre
parcel
for
the
sniffing
Towell
house,
and
the
outbuilding
and
landscape
surrounding
staff
is
supporting
this
request,
based
on
several
things,
one
being
that
there
is
an
existing
reservation
easement
on
the
property
that
defines
the
area
at
about
the
same.
That's
covered
outside
of
this
for
really
getting
into
more
a
BTEC
territory
and
futures
and
parts
of
the
landscape
that
aren't
are
pertinent
features
to
the
historic
property.
F
D
F
F
F
Speaking
as
applicant,
rather
than
was
counsel
for
the
applicant
okay,
it's
raise
your
right
hand
to
Childress.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
before
the
historic
Resources
Commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth?
F
P
A
little
context
to
what's
going
on
is
you.
This
survey
is
in
connection
with
a
transfer
of
the
property
from
a
BTech
2wc,
Historical
Association,
the
site
that
would
be
transferred
is,
is
that
a
site
has
been
leased
to
the
Historical
Association
ever
since
that
was
included
in
the
deed.
From
of
a
B
tab
campus
to
a
DTAC.
It's
there
have
been
fine
resolutions
and
findings
by
both
the
Board
of
Trustees
of
a
B
Tech,
as
well
as
the
NC
State
Board
of
community
colleges.
Approving
of
the
transfer.
P
The
reason
we
want
the
transfer
is
that
the
see
historical
has
some
funds.
They
can
apply
to
needed
repairs,
especially
the
Ruth
and,
and
to
do
so
it
would
like
to
be
the
the
owner
in
order
to
effectuate
those
repairs,
rather
than
just
a
lease
holder,
the
the
site.
We
don't
believe
it's
really
a
subdivision
at
all.
The
actual
historical
site
we
believe
remains
intact.
P
There
was,
you
know
there
is
a
meets
and
bounds
in
the
preservation
easement
that
pretty
much
matches
this
survey.
Also,
you
know,
the
geography
itself
somewhat
shows
what
the
site
is,
because
it's
as
you
can
see
in
that
aerial,
it
is
bounded
of
three
sides
by
roads
and
parking,
so
we
won't
believe
we're
releases.
We
are
not
so
dividing
a
historical
tract.
P
We
were
just
taking
the
historical
track
out
of
the
non
historical
part,
so
we
believe
that
you
know
moving
forward
with
this
transfer
of
property
and
recording
the
survey
is
going
to
be
a
benefit
to
the
community
benefit
to
the
preservation
efforts,
and
we
appreciate
your
approving
this.
Thank
you.
Any.
F
J
Yes,
I
moved
this
Commission
approved
the
preliminary
subdivision
approval
based
on
the
following
number
one
that
the
application
is
to
subdivide
a
1.84
acre
parcel
containing
the
Smith
McDonald
House
outbuilding
in
sight
from
the
existing
105
acre
parent
parcel
number
to
the
standards
for
new
construction.
Wait
a
minute.
That's
not
right.
A
D
J
Number
3:
this
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
2
subdivision
of
the
new
lot,
with
existing
and
historic
structures
in
landscape
will
not
remove
radically
changed
features
of
the
setting
which
are
important
in
defining
the
historic
character
of
the
property,
be
the
buildings
and
their
features
as
well
as
features
at
that
site
that
are
important
in
defining
its
overall
historic
character,
are
being
retained
and
preserved.
J
G
A
F
F
K
F
A
F
D
Just
went
in
to
update
I'm
sorry,
that's
okay,
I,
just
I
I!
Don't
want
to
keep
everyone
longer
because
I
know
at
7:30,
but
I'm
going
to
send
out
an
X.
There's
you
a
link
to
the
county
vacancy
posting
for
Brian
C
and
then
the
two
vacant
city
seats
as
well.
It's
my
understanding
that
council
is
going
to
be
making
those
appointments
in
August
for
the
for
the
city
seat.