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A
B
So
so
welcome
to
those
who
may
be
joining
us
virtually
as
well
as
those
who
are
present
on
this
google
meet
I'm
jane
matthews.
I
am
chair
of
the
asheville
riverfront
commission's
planning
and
design
review
committee
and
members
who
are
in
attendance.
If
you
could,
please
welcome
yourself
and
identify
yourself,
and
let
us
know
you're
here
with
us.
B
So
do
we
have
a
quorum?
I
guess
we
yeah.
We
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we
can
begin
with
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
make
a
presentation.
We're
welcome
to
receive
that
now.
E
Right,
thank
you.
My
name
is
thomas
sizzix
and
I
am
an
architect
with
ruger
riley
incurate
locally
in
asheville,
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
present
today.
My
clients
are
as
well
local.
Both
of
them
are
active
in
the
river
arts
district.
There
they
have
a
store
there
and
they
also
one
of
them,
is
an
artist,
so
they're
very,
very
active
in
this
process
and
excited
about
building
their.
F
E
The
address
for
this
site,
it
will
be
at
57
roberts
street,
it's
just
north
of
clingman,
and
it
is
in
that
cleanman
depot
sector
for
design.
The.
E
E
Is
vacant
most
of
that
area
is
vacant
in
that
surrounding
area?
Do
you
see
the
left
and
right?
It's
similar.
We
to
the
left
is
just
a
flat
lot,
where
some
parking
is
curves
right
now
and
to
the
right
is
another
vacant
lot.
Now
these
lots
do
suck
down
towards
the
river.
E
As
you
go
on
this
lot
about
50
feet
back
it'll
start
then
to
slope
and
it
does
drop
down
to
in
the
rear
where
there
is
zoned,
a
grass
alleyway
which
currently
isn't
used,
and
it's
a
quite
quite
it's
a
little
tight
in
spaces.
So
I'm
not
sure
how
functional
it
is,
but
it
does
exist
behind
there
immediately
across
the
street
if
anyone's
promote
robert
street.
It
is
a
tight,
tooling
road,
two-way
road
and
immediately
across
from
us
in
the
middle
there
you'll
see
there
it's
just
a
an
old
stolen
wall.
E
It
is
a
residential
neighborhood
in
that
area,
so
perched
up
there
you
will
see
homes.
There
are,
probably
you
know,
probably
into
probably
a
story
and
a
half
up
and
then
to
the
to
the
right
and
left
of
that.
It's
the
same
as
just
some
white
residential.
That's
probably
been
there
for
quite
some
time
and.
E
F
E
We're
at
there's
a
lot
of
vacant
space
and
it
is
pretty
quite
quite
open
for
for
construction
there,
and
we
do
see
some
residential
being
built
further
down
the
road
to
the
south,
which
is
nice
to
see
the.
E
E
We
went
through
a
lot
of
early
assistance
meetings
and
we
did
our
best.
We
weren't
able
to
build
it
as
large
as
we
would
want
it
to
see,
but
we
that's
due
to
the
kind
of
parking
requirements
with
the
with
the
narrow
street.
There
really
wasn't
any
room
for
street
parking
along
that
road,
so
we
did
our
best
to
kind
of
make
parking
available
behind
in
behind
the
building.
E
This
area
is
the
appointment
depot
sector
and
it's
kind
of
we
wanted
to
put
in
that
regard.
We
wanted
to
provide
residential
and,
as
I
said,
my
client
is
also
really
interested
in
keeping
the
unart
gallery
on
that
pedestrian
level
as
well.
It
is
a
three-story
building,
so
the
gallery
and
parking
will
be.
On
the
first
level,
we
did
attempt
with
the
sloping
to
provide
parking
at
a
lower
level.
E
Are
approximately
three
residential
units
and
the
square
footage
is
approximately
on
each
for
2
400
square
feet,
except
for
the
ground
level
we
are
at.
We
have
a
gallery
space
of
about
700
square
feet
and
then
the
parking
beyond
that.
Let's
see
here,
if
you
want.
E
Sorry
can
go
back
to
this,
the
first
level
I
think
one
more
there
you
go.
Thank
you
sasha,
so
this
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
plan
play
out
again,
given
the
site
conditions
and
we
the
need
to
provide
parking.
E
We
do
have
a
couple
spots
for
including
a
handicap
for
the
art
gallery
and
the
rest
is
provided
for
the
residential
units
above,
given
that
we
we
want
to
maximize
the
footprint
and
we
have
a
building,
that's
35
feet
wide
just
so
we
can
get
access
to
that
back,
rear
parking
and
in
the
rear.
E
And
then
the
idea
is
that
storm
water
management
will
occur
under
the
slab
and
exit
out
the
rear,
and
then
the
we
do
have
landscaping
up
in
front.
F
E
E
E
D
E
Can
do
to
minimize
their
footprint.
They
are
very
excited
about
doing
panels
up
there,
so
they're
hoping
that
will
fit
into
the
budget
and
they
can
provide
electricity
and
power
to
the
to
the
building
through
through
solar.
E
E
To
kind
of
get
into
the
design
portion
of
this,
I
think
on
sheet.
E
F
E
E
The
there
are
inspired
insets.
The
clients
did
want
to
spend
the
money
and
do
something
a
little
more
robust.
They
don't
want
to
do
framing
and
stucco.
They
want
a
masonry
building,
they
want
to
make
sure
it's
going
to
last
and
hold
up
and
it
doesn't
doesn't
waver
in
the
wind
and
they
really
want
to
make
sure
this
is
something
that's
going
to
last
a
lifetime,
so
they
went
with
brick
veneer
on
the
front
and
they're
doing
a
painted
block
cmu
on
those
on
the
sides
in
the
rear.
E
The
way
we
are
zoned.
Unfortunately,
they
we
we
can
go
to
the
property
line
and
there
is
intent
from
the.
E
Site
that
they
will
build
to
the
property
line
so
to
the
north,
we
did
leave
the
facade
quite
blank
in
anticipation
that
there
will
be
a
building
right
next
to
us
on
the
other.
E
E
E
D
E
And
then,
with
limestone
or
and
brick
accents
as
far
as
the
insets
and
then
doing
a
black
windows,
the
larger
factory
style,
black,
double
hungs
and
then
at
the
store
front,
as
well
doing
a
black
with
a
canopies
darker
tone
as
well,
and
then
lighting
they
trying
to
keep
in
kind
of
tune
with
the
neighborhood
as
well,
within
more
of
an
industrial
and
kind
of
what
they
see
going
up.
E
Currently
in
that
area,
as
well
and
kind
of
a
more
of
a
vintage
style
lighting
more
to
enlighten
the
building
and
the
walkway
at
the
pedestrian
level,
but
not
to
you
know
not
to
impede
on
our
neighbors.
It
is
a
residential
area.
We
don't
want
to
make
it
so
bright
where
we
are
flooding
our
neighbors
with
too
much
light
so
enough
to
wash
the
building
and
make
that
feel
like
a
very
safe
and
pleasant
area
for
walking
at
night
and
to
bring
people
into
the
gallery.
E
E
Design
they
just
they
want
to
keep
in
tune
with
the
area,
but
they
also,
you
know,
want
to
make
something.
That's
going
to
last
and
they're
very
excited
about
helping
the
neighborhood.
They
do
sit
on
these
meetings
with
other
buildings.
They
see
the
activity
in
their
area
and
they
are
a
bit
of
pioneers
for
that
area.
D
B
Thomas,
I
have
a
few
questions.
This
is
jane.
I
see
that
there's
a
standing
steam
roof
on
the
back
porch
and
I'm
wondering
what
that
is.
If
what
what
color
that
might
be,
and
the
steel
porch
if
that
frame
is
painted.
E
B
E
Think
they
were,
they
were
looking
more
they're,
something
that's
not
going
to
heat
up
too
bad
or
but
something's
not
going
to
stick
out.
They
were
looking
at
doing
a
galvatis,
a
galvalume
look
just
something:
that's
just
a
natural
material
and
not
not
a
bright
red
or
a
bright,
green
or
anything
like
that.
Just
something
more
natural
and
then
to
the
to
the
material
itself.
E
It
will
be
painted,
but
it
will
be,
you
know
it
will
probably
be
black
or
a
dark
gray.
It'll
be
something
more
in
keeping
to
the
building
colors
and
nothing,
nothing
bright
or
flashy.
E
B
E
Is
we
are
because
of
the
budget?
We
are
trying
to
do
a
flat,
but
we
will
probably
we're
looking
to
paint
it
in
the
tone
of
of
depending
on
what
the
final
veneer
color
is,
but
we're
hoping
to
be
somewhere
in
something
more
organic
and
something
more
like.
A
beige
like
you
see
on
the
front
of
the
building.
E
You
mean
adding
color
to
the
block
yeah
to
match
the
brick
yeah
we
have
and
it's
it
comes
down
to
costs
and
materials.
Right
now
are
just
so
outrageous
that
we're
really
worried
about
our
budget
right
now.
E
B
Okay,
thank
you
sure.
Oh
one,
more
question,
thomas
on
the
exposed
concrete,
is
that
painted,
or
is
that
porridge
at
all.
E
B
And
are
those
scuppers
on
the
side
of
the
building?
I
guess
that
would
be
the
south
side.
Yes,
either
those
aluminum
like
a
painted
aluminum,
tread.
E
E
They're
black
or
we
leave
them
as
galvalume,
something
a
little
more
natural
to
go
with
the
building.
Thank.
C
C
That
she's
fine
I've,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
landscape
on
here,
but
there's
a
couple
quick,
just
comments:
the
service
berries
are
great,
trees,
love
them,
but
one
thing
I
saw
in
the
rendering
and
then
on
this
drawing
it's
a
great
example
of
the
scale
that
we're
showing,
I
think
is
really
nice,
but
that's
not
indicative
of
a
service
berry
tree,
you
know.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
is
overhead
utility
along
the
street
right
there
is
that
why
you
chose
the
service
ferry
it.
E
C
C
E
E
So
I
worry
about
things
not
being
able
to
grow
down
low
but
yeah,
but
right
now
we
were
just
thinking,
maybe
a
mulch
or
can
kind
of
get
grass
in
there
or
some
smaller
plants.
We
definitely
will.
C
Yeah,
you
could
go
with
some
cool
season,
grasses
and
just
plant
those
really
densely.
If
you
go
with,
you
know
a
plug
size
or
something
like
that.
You
could
get
some
good
coverage.
C
C
E
A
alleyway
so
right
now
there's
a
green
alleyway
down
there
and
then
be
on
on
the.
C
C
Pretty
much
yeah,
okay,
I
would
I
mean
again
this
isn't
required,
but
just
you
know
the
area
of
disturbance
and
thinking
about
how
we
can
you
know
cover
that
soil
and
then
hope,
maybe
help
to
just
soften
that
that
tall
wall
back
there
for.
E
E
E
So
we
could
look
at
even
doing
something
if
it's
not
too
invasive
that
might
cover
the
the
concrete
back
there.
Maybe
some
kind
of
vines
or
something.
B
E
Sure,
if,
if
you
can
go
sasha,
if
you
go.
E
E
System,
it's
called
if
you
go
up
to.
E
E
C
D
D
Thomas,
when
you
say
exited
out
of
the
back,
do
you
mean
connect
with
the
the
the
city
storm
drain
of
some
kind
or
just
spilling
out?
Or
what
do
you
mean.
D
Okay,
I
have
one
question
about
the
parking
area.
D
E
Correct
correct:
there's
no
plans
for
gates.
Quite
yet
my
client
is
worried
about
that
area,
a
little
about
protecting
the
vehicles,
but
currently
they
don't.
They
want
to
leave
it
open
if
they
can
so
right
now
the
parking
is
open
on
three
sides
and
then
you
know
it
enters
through
the
through
the
side.
Driveway
there.
D
B
E
Yeah
it'll
be
solid,
there
won't
be
any.
It
will
probably
be
kind
of
what
you
see
fencing,
but
there
won't
be
any
gaps
in
the
fencing.
It
will
be
99
concealed
from
the.
E
F
D
E
C
E
E
You
know
we're
not
crazy
about
having
so
much
not
having
enough
landscape
there.
At
one
point
they
were
looking
at
doing
maybe
a
green
roof,
but
they
yeah.
Unfortunately,
that
site
just
became
really
complicated,
especially
trying
to
get
into
the
parking
requirements
they
looked
for
buying
the
adjacent
site.
They
looked
at
everything
they
started,
trying
to
get
parking
out
of
there
and
make
it
a
little
less
concrete,
but
they
just
they
weren't
able
to
find
anything.
B
D
D
D
I
mean
I'm
aware,
and
I
know
everyone
else
was
of
the
lack
of
sidewalk
along
that
section
of
robert
street
it'll
be
great
to
have.
You
know,
50
feet
of
sidewalk,
but
besides
that
this
we're
still
left
with
nowhere
for
people
to
walk,
hopefully,
it'll
be
filled
in
and
joined
two
years.
A
So,
just
as
a
note
to
everybody
here
and
the
general
public
this
project,
this
is
the
committee
vote,
which
is
great,
and
this
project
will
move
thomas.
We
haven't
talked
about
this
because
you
haven't
actually
filed
any
permits
yet
for
this
project.
Is
that
correct
correct?
A
So
this
project
will
move
to
the
new
design
review
committee
or
design.
I
I'm
not
sure
design
review
committee,
which
is
a
new
committee,
that's
being
formed
right
now
and
probably
will
not
have
any
official
business
until
may,
but
I
think
this
this
vote
gives
you
the
confidence,
I
think
to
move
ahead
with
your
level,
one
submittal
and
start
working
on
all
those
things
and
by
the
you
know,
I
think
it'll
match
up
so
by
the
time
that
commission
is
or
committee
is
up
and
running,
you'd
probably
be
maybe
first
on
their
first
agenda.
A
E
A
Not
if
he
hasn't
submitted
yet
if
he
had
submitted
part
level,
one
permits
like
say
last,
you
know
before
the
hotel
the
vote.
Yes,
it
would
be
going
to
the
arc
so
that
was
kind
of
our
dividing
line.
Last
tuesday,
okay
yeah,
I
think
thomas
this
would
be
the
since
this
is
a
level
one,
but
it's
a
major
work.
A
So
it
needs
the
design
review
vote
and
I
am
not.
I
think,
basically,
you
need
that
official
design
review
vote
before
you
and
zoning
permit
is
issued.
So
I
think
you'll
turn
in.
If
you
turned
in
your
drawings
at
the
end
of
march,
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
comments
going
back
and
forth
between
you
and
staff,
and
so
I
don't
think
it
should
hold
you
up.
E
Okay,
that's
why
I
was
curious,
they're,
anxious
to
break
round,
and
I
don't
know
where
that
kind
of
puts
us
as
far
as
the
timeline.
If.
A
Well,
that's
it
so
it's
a
brand
new
committee,
that's
starting
up,
so
I
think
when
you
submit
your,
I
mean
I
know
about
it.
Staff
shannon
tuck
is
online
here
she
will
be
the
official
liaison
to
that
board
and
we
know
about
it
and
once
you
submit
your
permits
that
helps
us.
You
know,
but.
A
E
A
I
think
so
yeah
and
just
you
know
always
feel
free
to
reach
out.
If
you
have
any
questions
and
what
we're
doing
is
we've,
I
believe,
we've
advertised.
A
Basically,
this
new
committee
is
being
formed
from
the
riverfront
commission
in
the
downtown
commission,
mostly
and
council,
will
be
appointing
four
members
from
each
commission,
probably
april
23rd,
and
so
then,
maybe
within
that
a
week
of
that
there'll
be
an
administrative
kind
of
orientation
meeting
for
that
group
to
get
going,
and
they
have
that
those
eight
people
will
appoint
a
ninth
member
who's,
a
design
professional
at
large
and
we'll
be
taking
applications
for
that
as
well,
and
then
so.
I
would
anticipate
that
in
may.
A
E
A
A
Shannon
on
muted
herself
she
made
do
you
shannon.
Did
you
want
to
add
to
that
at
all?
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
we're
we're
tentatively
targeting
may
18th
as
being
the
meeting
date
for
the
design
review
committee
sasha
already
went
through.
I
was
just
going
to
say:
you
know
we're
expecting
appointments
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
april
and
a
meeting
in
may,
but
that's
what
sasha
said.
So
I
don't
have
too
much.
I
don't
think
at
this
stage
we
have
much
more.
A
It
is
a
little
bit
of
a
proceed
at
your
own
risk.
You
know
if
you
invest
the
time
into
drawings,
and
then
you
go
before
the
design
review
committee
and
there's
some
issue.
I
don't
know
on
earth
what
that
would
be,
but
it
is
a
little
bit
of
a
proceed
at
your
own
risk
until
you
get
that
approval
from
the
design
review
committee.
A
I.
I
also
work
with
the
hrc,
so
sometimes
I
get
the
mandatory
compliance
and
voluntary
compliance
mixed
up.
E
E
A
You
may
want
to
before
you
spend
more
time
you
may
want
to
read
out
reach
out
to
the
development
services
staff,
the
level
1
review
staff
about
the
sidewalk
and
the
door
swing.
We
don't
usually
allow
doors
to
swing
into
any
portion
of
the
required
width
of
the
sidewalk.
Okay.
E
A
We're
also
having
a
lot
of
difficulty
with
these
sort
of
zero
lot
line,
buildings
that
get
pulled
up
to
the
street
or
right
up
to
the
sidewalk,
with
accessibility,
accessible
entrances.
We
would
recommend
that
you,
you
know,
do
more
of
a
vestibule
entrance.
You
know
so
that
we
don't
run
into
these
slope
issues
as
people
are
trying
to
enter
that
building.
Now,
if
you
have
a
super
flat
site
and
you
feel
confident
about
it,
it
could
work,
but
we've
just
been
having
a
lot
a
lot
of
trouble
with
that,
and
it's
not
a
supportable
variance.
A
F
E
Cause
at
all,
but
it's
such
a
small
gallery
that
I
think
adding
a
vestibule
of
this.
D
Sasha
I
was
just
wondering
I
mean
I
don't
see
why,
because
you're
changing
the
design
review
procedure,
it
should
slow
down
their
ability
to
move
forward.
D
It
does
doesn't
what
we
did
today
count
as
anything
really
towards
towards
their
approval
process.
A
Well,
this
committee
is
not
in
the
udo;
let's
put
it
that
way.
So
in
the
udo
says
that
you
need
an
official
vote
by
you
know,
it
said
aarc
and
now
it
says
this
new
design
review
committee
and
so
shannon.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
address
that.
If
there's
any
other
shannon
would
be
the
even
more
of
a
process
expert
than
I
am,
but
it's
for
better
for
worse,
the
process
requirements
are
going
to
be
based
on
the
date
that
the
formal
application
is
submitted.
A
So
the
work
that
you
all
do,
as
this
design
review
committee
is,
is
almost
like
a
an
extra
benefit,
courtesy
that
you
offer
to
an
applicant.
You
know
to
kind
of
do
this
kind
of
early
review
and
pre-review,
and
I
mean
that's
kind
of
how
we
have
to
look
at
it
now
anyway.
A
So
it's
not
it's
in
their
best
interest
because
it
kind
of
gives
them
some
good
feedback
can
be
sort
of
a
resource
for
people
to
kind
of
get
them
on
the
right
path,
and
but
technically
it's
gonna
have
to
follow
the
new
process.
So
so
it's
worth
it.
It's
a
good
thing,
but
it
doesn't
help
them
with
the
timeline.
Unfortunately,
it's
kind
of
just
bad
timing,
just
with
the
the
formation
of
this
brand
new
committee
and
the
time
it
takes
to
kind
of
get
members
appointed.
A
A
Basically,
I
think
it's
a
majority
have
to
be
either
design
review
professionals
or
have
a
special
interest
or
background
training
so,
and
we
discussed
trying
to
seat
that
commission
very
quickly
and
giving
really
giving
this
very
quick
turnaround.
It's
all
based
on
the
council
schedule.
A
So
if
we
had
done
that,
I
think
applications
would
have
been
due
today.
Maybe
I
don't
know
it
was
going
to
be
so
fast.
It
didn't
seem.
It
seemed
discourteous
to
commission
members
really
to
do
it
that
way.
So
we
we
extended
it
to
april,
so
council
will
be
appointing
in
april.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
they
want
to
talk
about,
but
it
will
be
discussed
at
length
at
the
riverfront
commission
meeting.
A
And
we
do
expect
it
to
probably
be
a
little
bit
more
time
consuming
than
this
committee
has
been,
for
you
know,
it'll
be
a
little
more
it'll,
be
more
business
because
it'll
be
both
riverfront
and
downtown
and
any
hotels.
A
But
it's
it's
going
to
formalize
this
process
a
lot
more
and
I
think
it's
really
going
to
help
hopefully
design
throughout
the
city.
So.
B
Well,
thomas,
thank
you
again
for
bringing
your
project.
I
wish
you
luck
and
with
that
with
no
other
business,
I
will
call
the
adjournment
of
this
meeting
with
the
planning
and
design
review
committee.
Thank
you
all.
Thank.