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C
D
This
is
sasha
bertinski,
I'm
a
planner
with
planning
and
urban
design.
This
is
a
joint
meeting
of
the
downtown
design
review
committee
and
the
riverfront
design
review
and
planning
committee
just
for
quick
housekeeping
for
anybody
who
has
just
joined
on
our
meeting.
We
asked
people
that
they
generally
mute
themselves
unless
they're
speaking.
D
If
we
see
feedback
coming
on
your
line
and
you
you
are
not
speaking,
we
may
mute
you,
but
you
can
always
unmute
yourself.
If
you're
calling
in
by
the
phone,
you
can
mute
with
starsix,
and
that
said,
I
will
call
roll
really
quickly
for
downtown
and
then
I'll.
Let
jane
do
the
riverfront,
and
we
just
do
this
as
a
where
I
can
do
both.
We
do
this
as
a
just
a
public
record
of
who's
in
the
meeting
so
for
downtown
design.
D
Review
committee-
stephen
lee
johnson,
here
jim
winkler,
here
robin
reagan
here,
brian
moffitt,.
A
So,
and
for
the
planning
and
design
review
committee
of
the
riverfront
commission,
lindsey
rhoden,
here,
jeremy
goldstein
here
joe
ransmeier,
kate
and
kaya
here
and
I'm
here
with
jane
matthews.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
jane,
so
we're
I'm
gonna
share
my.
D
D
So
the
purpose
of
today's
joint
meeting
is
to
talk
about
the
hotel
development
study
and
what
are
the
implications
for
design
review?
We
have
some
ideas.
Staff
has
developed
a
proposal,
it's
not
really
a
formal
proposal
yet,
but
we'll
get
to
that,
and
this
is
in
the
context
of
the
hotel
moratorium.
The
hotel
moratorium
started
on
september,
24th,
2019
and
so
we're
about
two
months
out
from
the
end
of
that
moratorium,
and
we
are
working
towards
an
ordinance
to
go
before
city
council
with
planning
and
zoning
and
then
city
council.
D
D
B
You're
muted,
if
you're
looking
yeah,
I
already
did
it-
I'm
stacey
martin
sasha,
said
planner
with
planning
and
urban
design
and
the
project
manager
for
the
hotel
study
project.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here
today
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
go
through
this
really
briefly,
but
just
to
kind
of
bring
everybody
up
to
speed.
I
know
a
few
of
you
have
already
seen
this
presentation,
so
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
B
So,
just
to
kind
of
orient
everyone
where
we
are
in
the
process.
As
sasha
said,
the
hotel
moratorium
was
enacted
last
september.
It
does
expire
this
september.
We
are
going
to
extend
it
for,
but
just
for
a
two
month
period
we
can
legally.
We
can't
really
extend
it
indefinitely,
but
due
to
the
delays
caused
from
the
covet
epidemic,
we
are
going
to
extend
it
a
couple
of
months
and
basically
we're
in
this
last
phase
of
of
the
project
we
are.
B
We
have
developed
a
draft
ordinance
and
I
think
most
of
you
have
probably
seen
a
survey
that
we
put
out
and
we
are
we're
still
in
the
public
input
phase.
So
we've
held
a
few
focus
groups
in
addition
to
the
survey,
and
we
will
be
refining
the
ordinance
and
the
map
overlay
based
on
the
input
that
we're
receiving
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
B
So
just
to
summarize,
the
issues
that
we
heard
through
from
the
public
primarily
earlier
in
the
project
when
uli
was
here
and
throughout
the
project
as
well,
but
certainly
the
need
to
balance
the
economic
benefits
of
tourism
with
hotel
development.
B
We
know
that
a
lot
of
that
tourism
is
a
hot
button
issue
and
a
lot
of
folks
in
the
community
want
to
try
to
pin
a
lot
of
problems
on
hotel
development,
but
this
project
specifically
is
looking
at
hotel
development
and
not
tourism.
In
general,
the
uli
report
did
touch
a
little
bit
on
tourism
overall,
but
this
particular
initiative
is
focused
specifically
on
the
regulatory
process.
B
The
hotel
development
approval
process
needs
more
predictability
and
transparency.
We
heard
that
both
from
the
public,
as
well
as
from
the
development
community,
there's
concern
about
the
impacts
of
hood
development
on
the
character
of
the
asheville,
skyline
and
streetscape.
So
design
issues
are
really
important
to
the
community
and
we
heard
that
and
then
there's
a
general
concern
about
the
impacts
of
hotel
on
quality
of
life,
particularly
economic
impacts,
affordable
housing
and
also
on
the
impacts
to
the
public
infrastructure.
B
So
the
next
slide
kind
of
shows
how
we
are
trying
to
to
attempt
to
mitigate
some
of
those
things
that
we
heard
through
the
regulations,
and
so
first
of
all,
we
are
proposing
to
reintroduce
hotels
as
an
allowed
use
in
select
areas,
and
the
map
shows
at
least
our
thinking.
B
B
We
are
introducing
a
public
benefits
requirement
for
new
hotel
development,
and
we
won't
talk
a
whole
lot
about
that
today.
But
just
so
you
understand
that
that
is
part
of
the
would
be
part
of
a
requirement
that
a
hotel
would
need
to
meet
some
level
of
public
benefit
in
order
to
build
and
then
again
trying
to
create
greater
predictability
in
the
development
review
process
in
general
versus
the
conditional
zoning
process,
as
it
is
now
for
hotels
next
slide,
please.
B
So
the
initial
proposal
that
we
put
out
shows-
or
what
we've
done
is
we're
talking
about
creating
an
overlay
district
where
there
are
specific
requirements
for
hotels
and
the
areas
in
blue
on
the
map
are
areas
where
we
would
propose
to
allow
both
large
and
small
hotels.
B
So
we
really
didn't
think
this
would
be
a
major
issue.
It
has
turned
out
to
be
very
concerning
to
a
lot
of
folks,
so
I
we
are
in
active
discussions
about
how
we
can
scale
back,
especially
the
area
for
small
hotels
next
slide,
and
this
is
just
generally
basically
explaining
that
the
overlay
itself
will
include
development
regulations
that
touch
on
site
access,
external
environmental
issues
such
as
noise
and
light
building
design
and
operational
requirements.
B
And
then,
as
I
mentioned,
we
have
we're
trying
to
build
into
this.
A
public
benefits
matrix.
This
is
a
way
that
we
can
legally
try
to
get
benefit
to
the
community
from
the
hotel
development
and
we're
trying
to
make
this
as
simple
and
effective
as
possible,
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
input
on
this
and
we're
continuing
to
have
community
input
on
the
public
benefits
table
next
slide,
and
this
is
just
trying
to
explain
how
the
overlay
will
work
it.
B
It
will
be
applied
in
conjunction
with
the
underlying
zoning
and
depending
on
the
specific
standard
it
may
modify
or
provide
additional
standards,
but
essentially
the
overlay
will
control
primarily
in
the
areas
outside
of
where
we
have
existing
form
codes
or
other
design
criteria,
and
I
think
one
thing
to
add
to
this
list
is
also
biltmore
village.
In
biltmore
village,
the
hotel
I
mean
the
historic
district
overlay
will
also
control.
B
If
there
happens
to
be,
there
might
be
a
few
standards
where
there
there
may
not
be
a
specific
standard
like,
for
example,
in
the
in
the
biltmore
village
guidelines,
then
in
that
case
the
the
overlay
will
will
have
influence
on
that.
But
ultimately,
the
biltmore
village
guidelines
will
control
and
then
we've
drafted
some
guidelines
that
would
basically
apply
to
all
the
other
areas.
The
other
suburban
areas
of
asheville.
B
And
these
are
just
some
sort
of
general
ideas
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
to
include
in
the
public
benefits
table
we've
this
again
this,
but
this
was
an
earlier
kind
of
list
of
things.
So
there's
things
that
have
been
added
and
things
have
been
taken
off,
but
you
kind
of
this
is
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
types
of
things
we're
looking
at:
affordable
housing,
housing
sustainability
and
green
ish
green
building
issues.
B
Things
like
that
to
include
to
require-
and
the
point
system
is
structured,
so
that
folks
will
have
opportunity
to
choose
from
different
what
things,
which
is
the
way
that
we
can
actually
require
it
to
to
work.
Since
we
can't
actually
charge
a
specific
impact
fee
next
slide.
I
think
that
might
be
it
for
my
section.
Are
there
any
questions
before
sasha
gets
into
the
specifics
about
the
design
review
piece?
Are
there
any
questions
that
you
all
have
in
general
about
what
I
just
talked
about.
F
G
About
the
the
idea
of
public
benefits,
what's
what's
really
behind
that
is
that
trying
to
I
mean,
could
it
be
as
simple
as
having
a
restaurant
in
the
hotel
or
or
not?
If
you're
looking
for
something
sort
of
sort
of
a
if
they're
going
to
build
a
hotel,
then
we
need
to
see
something
else
done
outside
of
the
hotel
premises
or
what?
What
exactly
I'm
a
little
confused
by
that.
B
We're
really
looking
we're
really
looking
for
things
that
that
the
city
needs
like
affordable,
like
affordable
housing,
other
other
goals
that
the
city
has
affordable,
housing
and
sustainability
being
two
big
goals
that
were
that
we're
trying
to
trying
to
use
this
public
benefits
table
as
a
way
to
get
those
things
in
it.
B
And
so
it's
again
it's
trying
to
balance
out
on
the
impacts
that
hotels
have
on
the
community
with
you
know
the
also
the
benefits
that
they
provide,
but
it's
a
way
to
sort
of
get
out
from
developers
and
from
the
hotel
developers
in
this
case
to
give
back
to
the
community.
B
So
it's
not
just
something
as
simple
as
a
restaurant,
we're
really
trying
to
shoot
a
little
bit
higher
than
that.
Probably
the
biggest
focus
is
on
affordable
housing.
D
The
other
thing
I
would
add
is
that,
instead
of
having
these
last
minute,
deals
struck
at
council,
it's
up
front,
and
so
everybody
knows
what's
on
the
table
and
it's
a
little
bit
easier
for
everybody,
I'm
going
to
keep
going
since,
because
what
we
really
want
to
hear
from
you
all
is
your
thoughts
about
these
ideas.
D
D
So
currently
you
all
may
know
this,
and
this
is
this
is
for
everybody
in
the
public.
The
downtown
design
review
committee
is
three
downtown
commission
members,
they're,
usually
design
professionals,
but
those
are
not
mandated
seats
and
then
we
have
two
outside
volunteers
that
are
design
professionals
we
currently
have
one
vacancy
and
that-
and
that
committee
has
a
pretty
somewhat
informal
way
of
meeting
with
developers
ahead
of
time
before
they
come
to
the
downtown
commission
for
design
review.
D
The
riverfront
design
and
planning
committee
has
three
aarrc
members,
one
design
professional,
and
that
is
a
designated
seat.
Now
that's
gene
matthews,
one
property
owner
and
one
riverlink
representative
and
then
in
addition,
there
are
two
design
professionals
outside
of
aarc,
and
we
several
years
ago
we
changed
the
downtown
committee
to
to
mirror
the
riverfront
design
committee.
The
downtown
one
used
to
only
have
three
folks,
and
we
have
definitely
seen
an
improved
process
from
having
five
folks
on
that
committee.
D
So
the
goals
for
this
new
we're
proposing
is
a
new
design
review
board
and
basically
the
idea
is
that
we
would
elevate
the
importance
of
design
in
the
community
and
the
development
process
fulfilling
some
of
those
other
plans
not
only
living
asheville,
but
also
the
downtown
master
plan.
D
We
would
like
to
formalize
and
professionalize
the
design
review
process
a
little
bit.
You
know
both
of
these
committees
review
plans
and
they're
a
little
bit
more,
have
more
expertise,
and
then
they
go
to
either
the
asheville
area.
Riverfront
redevelopment,
commission
or
the
downtown
commission
and
those
commissions
have
less
expertise
so
there
you
know
it
becomes
a
little
bit
more
muddied
and
and
it's
a
little
bit
harder
with
this
uneven
kind
of
knowledge
base.
D
We
are
thinking
that
it
would
be
more
formalized
with
findings
and
clear
guidelines
more
like
hrc
the
historic
resources
commission.
It
wouldn't
be
quasi-judicial
like
hrc,
but
it
would
kind
of
force
everyone
to
be
really
clear
about:
what's
not
working
in
a
design
and
what
is
working,
sometimes
we're
not
as
clear
now
as
we
should
be.
D
D
But
we
really
want
to
keep
design
to
be
about
design
as
much
as
possible
and
then
providing
a
resource
to
the
development
community
and
the
city.
So
this
design
review
board.
I'm
not
sure
what
this
would.
D
D
It
actually
uses
more
staff
time,
which
is
a
less
efficient
use
of
city
resources
and
taxpayer
dollars
we're
trying
to
make
hotel
development
review
consistent
with
you
know
our
project
recommendations,
study
recommendations
and
we're
hoping-
and
the
idea
here
is
that
I
haven't
said
this
explicitly-
that
if,
if
a
developer
wants
to
be
approved
and
not
have
to
go
to
council,
they
would
have
to
comply
with
the
design
review
board
recommendation.
D
So
if
the
design
review
board
felt
like
this
hotel
is
really
not
doing
what
it's
supposed
to
do
in
terms
of
design,
they
would
vote
to
disapprove
that
hotel
and
that
that
hotel
really
couldn't
go
forward.
And
it's
a
it's
a
balance
in
north
carolina.
We
generally
can't
have
mandatory
compliance
unless
you're
in
a
local
district,
but
this
is
an
option.
So
this
is
an
option
for
developers
and
if
you
don't
want
to
go
through
the
design
review
process,
you
can
go
directly
to
city.
H
D
H
K
H
D
Right
all
right,
thank
you.
I'm
sorry
a
little
bit
clear
about
that.
Now
I
hear
what
you're
saying
yeah,
so
it
would
still
be
mandatory
review
voluntary
compliance
for
your
regular
level,
2
projects
in
those
areas,
if
you're
not
a
hotel,
but
we
still
think
that
that
more
formalized
design
review
board
with
a
clear
process.
I
think
we're
going
to
get
perhaps
better
results.
D
No,
I
didn't
mean
to
say
it
that
way.
You
still
would
have
to
go
to
designer
view,
because
council
would
need
that
information
on
how
the
design
review
board
felt
about
that
project.
D
Okay
for
sure
and
we're
hoping
that
it
will
incentivize
better
design
frankly,
and
we
would
also
be
setting
by
having
one
board
would
we
be
setting
ourselves
up
for
any
future
if
we
decided
in
the
future,
if
the
community
decided
that
you
know
haywood
road
really
needs.
I'm
going
to
mute,
you
joe,
because
I
can
hear
myself
coming
through.
D
You
know
if
we
decided
as
a
community
heywood
road
really
needs
to
have
designer
view
or
charlotte's.
You
know
if
you
want
a
dad
charlotte
street
or
some
other
corridor
or
some
other
particular
area
that
wasn't
like
a
local,
historic
district.
That
could
that's
a
possibility.
We
don't
have
plans
for
that.
D
So
the
idea
here
is
that
it
would
be
nine
members
and
that's
not
set
in
stone.
We
we
haggled
over
this
a
bunch
that
the
majority
would
be
design
professionals
that
there
would
be
some
community
seats
that
don't
have
to
be
designed
professionals
to
make
sure
we've
got
other
perspectives
on
that
board,
and
we
were
thinking
really
at
the
beginning
to
get
this
going.
D
We
could
just
take
the
two
committees
already
in
existence
and
kind
of
put
you
all
together,
and
we
would
you
know,
designate
some
staggered
seats
so
that
people
some
people
have
been
on
design
review
for
quite
a
while,
and
some
people
are
pretty
new,
but
so
that
we
could
start
rolling
through
and
create
this
board.
D
We
would
also,
frankly,
you
know,
eliminate
this
designation
of
a
non-profit
seat
or
a
property
owner.
Those
could
potentially
be
community
member
seats,
but
that
that's
just
not,
it
doesn't
necessarily
make
sense
in
terms
of
it
made
some
sense.
I
think
when
the
river
was
being
set
up
for
a
very
specific
area.
D
D
You
all
have
meetings
like
I
know,
lindsay
and
kate
aren't
on
those
commissions,
but
rivers
on
august
13th,
I
believe
thursday
afternoon
and
then
downtown
commissions
the
next
morning,
so
we'll
be
bringing
this
kind
of
forward
to
you
all
and
we,
of
course
we
now
we
want
to
hear
your
feedback
in
just
a
second
and
the
idea
is
to
incorporate
this
into
the
hotel
ordinance.
If
we're.
D
If
we
feel
good
about
it
and
we're,
we
would
have
to
make
some
changes
to
both
charters
for
each
commission,
because
those
both
commissions
have
language
in
their
in
the
ordinance
about
their
functions
and
the
last.
Lastly,
you
know
we
have
recognized,
there's
different
thresholds
for
both
of
these
areas
and
riverfront.
The
threshold
is
for
design
reviews,
1500
square
feet
by
the
commission
and
in
downtown
it's
20
000
square
feet.
D
So
it's
quite
a
differential
and
we've
been
seeing
some
level
one
smaller
buildings
coming
into
the
cbd
which
are
not
going
to
any
kind
of
a
formal
design
review,
and
that
is
that's
problematic.
We
think
so.
It's
just
staff,
and
sometimes
I
go
to
my
committee
members
and
ask
for
their
input,
which
they're
very
gracious
to
help
me
with,
but
it's
we
think
that
could
be
more
equal
and
more
consistent.
So
any
kind
of
new
buildings
in
downtown
really
should
be
reviewed
and
that
may
be
yeah
so
medium
to
long
term.
D
Developing
rules.
You
know
we
know
the
river
guidelines
need
to
be
revised
and
updated
and
then
maybe
downtown
downtown
needs
some
revisions,
but
training
of
board
members
and
staff,
which
many
of
you
know
what
you're
doing.
But
it's
good
for
everybody
to
be.
On
the
same
page
and,
and
you
know,
and
further
down
the
road
you
know
we
could
think
about
design
review
for
level
three
projects
in
general.
Now
you
know
level
three
are
the
really
big
either
czs?
We
don't
have
many
cups
anymore,
but
conditional
zonings.
D
So
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
timeline
before
I
think.
Stacy
could
probably
talk
to
stacey
or
shannon
could
talk
to
this.
I
think
we're
headed
to
planning
and
zoning,
probably
in
september
I'm
looking
to
get
to
council
in
september
october.
D
And
then,
lastly,
just
a
quick
mention,
there
is
a
survey
we
can
send
out
the
link,
if
you,
if
you
don't
have
it
for
those
and
we've
gotten.
I
think
we're
over
700
people
have
participated
in
that
survey
right
now
and
it
feels
a
little
bit
like
they're,
not
as
many
business
owners,
so
we're
still
looking
for
other
participants
in
that
and
that's
all
I
have.
I
will
go
back
a
little
bit
here,
but
just
open
it
up
for
a
conversation
from
you
all
and
I
can
stop
sharing
my
screen.
D
D
D
Absolutely
absolutely-
and
it's
not
like
I
mean
that's,
why
we
have
two
separate
sets
of
guidelines
and
it's
really
not
unlike
the
historic
resources
commission
that
you
know
they
review
projects
in
montford
versus
biltmore,
village,
being
a
more
commercial
district
or
st
dunstan's.
L
And
this
is
kadenkaya
talking
in
response
to
that
question.
Jeremy.
That's
a
good!
It's
a
good
point,
but
when
I
think
about
the
downtown
and
river
design
committees,
we're
not
talking
about
an
enormous
geographical
area,
asheville
that
map
that
we
saw
is
relatively
small
and
I
think
of
downtown
and
the
river
arts
district
is
really
impacting
one
another
and
so
having
them
all
being
thought
of
as
a
system
might
be
to
the
benefit
of
both
of.
L
D
G
We've
been
lobbying
to
get
new
guidelines
for
the
river
arts,
the
river
district
area-
and
I
know
maybe
the
downtown
commission-
is
a
little
further
along.
It
has
more
a
newer
set
of
guidelines,
but
in
merging
these
two
and
also
I
know
that
there's
a
shortfall
of
revenues
and
we're
not
likely
to
get
the
funds
soon
to
get
our
new
professional
professional
guidelines.
G
M
M
He
was
mentioning
also
he
was
asking:
how
does
this
potential
new
design
review
board
fit
into
the
context
of
asking
for
new
guidelines
and
what
I'd
say
is
we
have
been
asking
the
same
thing
and
what
sasha
laid
out
here,
which
is
that
part
of
this
part
of
the
process
of
creating
this
board
and
ensuring
that
it
functions
well,
would
mean
that
staff
would
need
to
do
some
internal
work
on
the
riverfront
guidelines.
M
If
anything,
I
would
say
that
it
puts
it
lights
a
little
bit
of
a
fire
underneath
us
and
brings
it
more
to
the
forefront
to
city
council
and
others
how
important
it
is
for
these
design
review
committees
or
a
new
design
review
board
to
have
not
just
adequate,
maybe
even
great
guidelines
that
allow
them
to
do
the
work
that
the
community
wants.
A
M
I
think
what
I
would
say
is
we
were
considering
on
a
staff
level
that
we
are
going
to
have
to
do
that
work
regardless,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
the
impact
impact.
The
creation
of
this
structure
or
the
operation
of
other
committees
like
both,
would
run
the
same.
I
don't
think
that
staff
would
be
recommending
delaying
the
creation
of
this
new
board
if,
if
we
were
to
go
that
way,
just
because
the
guidelines
had
not
been
updated
yet.
D
You
know
I
have
the
map
pulled
up
on
my
screen,
so
I'm
going
to
take
the
small
hotels
off
because
they're,
so
not
you
know
and
actually-
and
I
don't
want
to
get
really
into
a
discussion
of
these
areas
so
much,
but
basically
the
idea
here
is
that
the
blue
areas
are
what
we're
proposing
right
now
and
there
some
of
these
may
be
paired
back.
Frankly,
we
haven't
we're
discussing
that
right
now,
but
we
haven't
come
out
with
any
new
maps,
so
the
design
review
board
would
also
be
looking
at.
D
You
know
if
a
new
hotel
was
proposed
out
here
in
east
asheville
or
over
here
near
candler,
or
you
know
so,
and
those
are
different
contexts,
of
course,
but
we
want
to
have
some
designer
view
process
in
place
for
those
places
as
well
so
for
downtown.
This
is
the
blue.
It
doesn't
go
with
kate's
comment.
I
wish
I
had
the
boundaries
here
for
the
cbd,
but
you
know
so.
The
area
for
this
design
review
committee
would
be
bigger
for
than
this.
D
Sorry,
let
me
zoom
in
you
know
downtown
comes
down
to
about.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
my
cursor,
but
down
here
and
then
you
know
the
riverfront
design
area
is
much
much
larger
than
just
this
blue
area.
It
extends
to
the
north
and
actually
out
to
the
swananoa,
I
think,
about
to
the
target
somewhere
out.
There.
D
I
I
I've
thought
about
it.
I
I
think
that
streamlining
the
process
and.
I
The
design
in
a
in
a
single
design
review
that's
more
formal
that
has
findings
both
staff
findings
and
then
we
won't
necessarily
call
them
finding
the
fact,
because
it's
not
quasi-judicial,
but
that
has
a
a
more
predictable
process
for
designers
coming
to
the
city.
I
I
like
it
very
much.
I
would
like
to
see
better
guidelines
so
that
both
the
designers
bringing
things
before
the
the
review
board
would
know
what
we're
looking
for
and
that
we
would
have
something
tangible
to
measure
it
against.
I
I
think
similar
similar
to
what
we
do
with
the
standards
guidelines
for
for
hrc,
and
I
think
those
could
very
much
be
tailored
to
different
regional
areas
within
you
know,
basically,
almost
at
a
neighborhood
level
within
an
actual.
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing.
I
I
do
think
that
could
be
brought
online
as
we
move
forward
and
learn
a
way
around
the
process.
I
don't.
I
I
don't
think
that
it's
going
to
be
difficult
for
a
group
of
design
professionals
to
understand
the
difference
between
a
project
in
downtown
or
river
arts
or
the
village
or
tunnel
road
or
smoky
park,
or
any
of
the
other
areas
that
are
we're
currently
looking
at
under
review,
and
I
don't
know
I've
thought
about
it-
a
good
deal,
I
kind
of
wonder
if
there
aren't
other
projects
that
might
eventually
go
into
that
kind
of
process.
I
And
again
I
think
the
specific
standards
that
are
brought
online
are
going
to
be
one
of
the
more
critical
aspects
to
it
and
the
way
I
understood
somewhat
answered
jeremy's
a
question
is
that
this
was
either
or
but
it
didn't
necessarily
take
the
design
review
away
from
the
the
dual
paths.
I
N
Sasha
this
is
stephen
lee.
I
had
a
thought
about
the
design
and
impact
aspects
of
the
new
ordinance,
and
this
may
be
the
intention
already,
but
I'm
just
putting
on
my
design
hat
and
a
client
developer
hat.
I
think
it's
important
to
have
requirements
for
spec,
the
the
specific
design
impact,
design,
elements
and
impact
and
not
either
or
so,
for
example,
developer
can't
do
in
a
magnificent
total
green
roof
and
then
not
do
anything
that
impacts
the
public
realm.
N
Green
roofs
are
wonderful,
but
I
think
they
need
to
have
impact
elements
like
storm
water
and
then
items
there's
like
two
categories.
What
are
you
doing
for
your
impact?
What
are
you
doing
for
you
to
design
and
otherwise
there's
going
to
be
ways
to
kind
of
squiggle
around?
I
think
some
of
the
design
elements
that
everybody
that
impact
the
public
realm
so
much.
So
that's
my
thought.
L
Yeah,
I
couldn't
agree
more
with
that,
and
you
know
going
back
to
these
public
benefits.
I
saw
you
know
a
lead
certification
and
some
of
those
things
and-
and
those
are
important
metrics
to
strive
for,
but
when
I
think
about
being
a
citizen
of
asheville,
I'm
interacting
with
the
outside
of
the
building
at
grade,
and
so
are
we
when
we
look
back
at
those
public
benefits,
they're
a
great
list
of
things,
but
are
they
really
impacting
the
quality
of
life,
the
public
health,
all
those
important
things
for
our
citizens?
L
What
else
did
I
see
that
you
know
community
space
all
of
those
things,
but
then
thinking
about
at
grade
you
know
trees
or
access
to
greenways
or
really
making
a
bigger
impact
in
terms
of
benefit
for
the
community
and
just
thinking
about
you
know
what
does
that
mean?
I
think,
even
about
building
massing
and
like
how
that
creates
space
for
people
moving
around
their
community.
I
B
I
I
don't
not
easily
actually
not
at
the
moment.
It's
still
so
much
influx
that
and
it
changes
all
the
time.
I
I
guess
the
one
thing
I
wanted
to
say
about
that:
the
public
benefits.
So
I
I
hear
what
you're
all
are
saying
and
I
think
that
the
way
that
we're
structuring
where
we
have
we've
got
the
development
regulations
which
talk
to
a
lot
of
the
actual
the
site
conditions
and
the
access
requirements,
and
then
we
also
have
the
design
review,
which
impacts
those
things.
B
And
then
the
public
benefits
is
just
like
another
aspect:
to
try
to
actually
meet
what
we've
heard
from
the
community
about
the
things
that
they
think
are
important
to
to
include.
So
we
still,
we
still
have
all
that
other.
Like
review
process,
you
know
not
the
public
benefits.
Aren't
the
only
thing
right.
We
still
have
all
these
regulations
in
the
design
review
piece.
So
yeah,
yeah
right,
I
mean
that's,
you
know
it
it.
We
all
of
those
things
are
important,
but
they're,
just
being
addressed,
sort
of
in
a
different
fashion.
D
D
The
way
it's
currently
done
with
points
that
you
can't
just
do
affordable
housing
and
ignore
everything
else.
You
can't
just
do
a
green
roof
and
ignore
everything
else,
so
it
is
kind
of
actually
probably
that
way.
G
Have
educational
component
to
it
where,
if
they
want
to
do
a
green
roof,
they
can
also
somehow
educate
the
public
or
actually
be
a
community
gardener
for
the
neighborhood.
G
D
D
O
I
do
I
just
quickly
and
I've
got
myself
toddler
free,
so
I
can
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
add
the
things
I
really
like
about.
It
would
be
like
the
meeting
once
once
a
month
and
we
kind
of
know
what's
happening,
also
to
me
any
kind
of
keeping
ourselves
in
our
lane.
Maybe
that's
not
the
right
way
to
phrase
it,
but
that
you
know
we're
there
to
talk
about
the
design
and
and
with
better
guidelines
or
improved
guidelines.
O
I
think
that
would
really
help
and-
and
I'm
trying
to
think
the
that
might
be
echoing
what
brian
was
saying.
But
you
know
from
both
sides
of
the
table.
I'm
kind
of
it
can
be
frustrating
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
have
that
so
those
same
kind
of
like
just
guidelines
and
make
sure
we
know
what
we're
there
to
discuss
it's
designed,
and
we
know
that
the
other
boxes
are
getting
checked
and
discussed
in
other
groups.
O
So
I
I'm
kind
of
all
for
the
more
organized
and
I
would
think
if
we
have
guidelines,
then
whatever
profession
design
professionals
are
on
this,
you
know
for
the
future
could
speak
to
those
too
and
provide
critique.
So
it
doesn't,
I
don't
feel
stressed
by
it,
by
the
convo
like
river
expertise
versus
downtown,
but
my
true
sense.
F
M
I
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
pam.
One
of
the
things
I
think
that
got
brought
up
for
downtown,
for
example,
was
the
conversation
that
everyone
would
have
had
for
the
flatiron
project
as
a
design-based
conversation
versus
an
impact
to
the
physical,
social
and
other
pieces
of
downtown.
So
there
could
have
been
more
emphasis
for
the
downtown
commission
to
talk
about
the
displacement
of
local
businesses
and
to
make
a
clear
statement
on
that.
M
That's
just
one
example
that
I'm
thinking
of
so
I
think
does
that
make
sense
to
you
right
and
then.
Similarly,
I
think
for
the
the
riverfront
commission.
We
had
a
similar,
really
hard
design
review
this
past
year
with
jetty
reyes
and
a
lot
of
the
conversation
revolved
around
questions
that
were
much
bigger
than
just
whether
or
not
it
aligned
with
the
design
guidelines
it.
It
was
really
about
whether
or
not
we
had
decent
guidelines
and
whether
or
not
space
should
even
be
allowing
you
know.
D
I
mean
I
do
think
there
is
some.
Maybe
this
is
obvious
for
everybody,
but
there
is
overlap
in
terms
of
when
we
talk
about
impact
like
with
going
back
to
the
flatiron,
since
that's
somewhat
fresh
in
our
minds
like
the
design
around
trash
and
how
does
the
sidewalk
function
and
kind
of
that
that
public
realm
that
kate
was
talking
about.
D
I
mean
that's,
definitely
design
to
me
right,
I
mean
that's,
and
you
know
that
you
know
people
in
downtown
may
want
to
talk
about
that
at
the
downtown
commission
as
well,
but
there
should
be
a
design
solution
for
some
of
those
right
and.
M
They
can
talk
about
in
a
bigger
picture
like
should
there
should
we
be
looking
at
a
system
or
network
of
drop-off
areas,
or
should
we
be
looking
at
improvements
to
the
way
that
trash
and
sanitation
are
handled
in
downtown,
and
how
do
these
projects
illuminate
the
problems
that
we're
seeing.
A
So
sasha
and
stephanie
is
the
chain
within
the
members
who,
like
are
currently
on
the
downtown
or
riverfront
commission
who
helped
to
bring
the
dialogue
in
design
related
to
the
social
and
economic
impacts.
A
Now,
devoid
of
that
I
mean,
are
we
then
separated
into
two
different
entities,
and
so
there's
no
interaction,
so
I
mean
right
now
there
are
members
who
are
on
both
design
and
commission
and
what
you,
I
think,
what
you
are
suggesting
is
a
different
scenario
where
they
wouldn't
be
impacting
the
commission
in
terms
of
that,
bringing
that
education
bringing
that
knowledge.
Bringing
that
experience
to
discussion
for
other
issues
and
how
it
impacts.
D
We
definitely
had
a
conversation
about
that
and
I
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
it,
and
so
here
it
says
to
start
at
the
beginning,
offering
existing
members
of
the
downtown
and
river
seat
on
the
board
we
talked
about.
Does
it
make
sense
to
have
somebody
to
make
sure
that
there's
always
somebody
on
the
commission
who's
also
in
the
design
review
board,
somehow
to
provide
that
connectivity
that
you're
talking
about.
A
I
think
it's
been
a
beneficial
relationship
to
have
commission
members
who
are
on
both
to
help
further
that
discussion
when
it
overlaps,
which
it
does,
I
mean
design,
sometimes
overlaps
into
these
other
areas
of
benefits
and
use,
and
you
know,
interpretation
of
plans.
So
I
see
that
as
a
downside.
If
it
isn't
that
connected,
I
see.
I
I
understood
it
to
be
connected,
I
mean
the
the
downtown
design
review
is
basically
or
has
been.
I
thought,
a
subcommittee
of
the
downtown
commission
itself
and
while
this
one
would
not
necessarily
be
a
subcommittee,
I
was
under
the
impression
that
there
was
still
going
to
be
that
link,
but
I'm
now
realizing
it's
not
necessarily
built
in,
but
maybe
it
should
be.
M
Even
creative
creative
ways,
like
maybe
something
different
and
jane,
I
really
appreciated
that
comment.
I
think
there
has
been
good
connectivity.
One
of
the
reasons
we
thought.
Maybe
we
should
allow
a
discussion
where
there
wouldn't
be
a
shared
membership
for
some
of
those
was
just
volunteer
time
and
knowing
that
many
board
members
have
a
lot
of
things
to
do
so
having
to
serve
on
these
two
you
know
to
serve
on
two
commissions
might
be
a
lot
to
ask,
so
that
would
be
like
jane.
What
do
you
think
about
that?.
A
So
I
think
that's
actually
a
benefit
to
have
those
linked,
and
you
know
I
look
back
to
you
know,
and
I
know
some
of
the
staff
know
this,
but
when
design
review
used
to
be
in
planning
and
zoning
commission,
I
was
on
a
commission
and
we're
talking
decades
ago.
Now,
and
but
I
was
the
only
design
professional
and
so
there
is
benefit
to
having
additional
design
professionals
to
dialogue,
about
a
design
issue
and
not
just
be
a
commission.
So
you
know
I'm
trying
to
find
the
happy
balance
between
those
two
relationships.
A
You
know
because
it
didn't
work
when
it
was
with
planning
and
zoning
and
it
you
know
it.
It
works
now
as
to
a
commission
with
a
separate
committee
that
reports
back
to
the
commission
and
they
inform
each
other.
So
I
don't
know
and
the
interest
in
other
people's
opinions,
but
I
think
it's
worked
well
enough.
I
think
the
downfall
has
been
the
lack
of
guidelines
and
I've
been.
A
As
you
know,
I've
been
screaming
about
guidelines
and
I
think
it
is
important
that
it
be
a
well
thought
through
a
well
prepared
set
of
guidelines
like
hrc,
I
you
know
stacy
will
know.
I
I
come
to
hrc
a
lot,
and
I
am
appreciative
of
the
fact
that
there
are
very
well
developed
guidelines
that
help
guide
that
process
for
all
for
designing
professionals
and
citizens
alike.
So
that's
been
my
model
and
I
think
that
that's
you
know
if
we
could
get
there
with
these
other
commissions.
That
would
be
great.
F
D
I
do,
I
think
the
design
review
board
meetings
could
be
longer.
Frankly,
I
mean,
if
you
I
mean-
maybe
not
a
lot
longer.
A
It
really
depends
too,
on
the
amount
of
design
projects
that
we've
had
as
my
committee.
Well
now,
we
haven't
had
much
of
a
input
in
terms
of
design
projects
over
the
last
few
months
and
it
comes
in
waves,
so
there
are
months
that
are
more
intense
and
there
are
months
that
are
just
you
know.
Nothing
happening
right.
D
Right
so
I
guess,
let
me
pose
this
question.
Is
there
anyone
opposed
to
this
idea
or
wants
to
speak
more
negatively
about
it,
because
we
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
hear
all
the
things,
but
I
want
you
to
be
eating
your
dinner
and
saying
I
should
have
said
this
and
blob.
You
know
sasha
darn
her
something
I
don't
know
what
you're
gonna
say.
G
Well,
I'm
I'm
wondering
you
know
what
what's
the
big
driver
to
make.
This
change
is
it
to
just
say,
save
staff
time
or
to
make
it
more
efficient
for
staff,
because
you
know
it's
it's
kind
of
working
the
way
it
is
I
mean,
but
this
is
I'm
not
sure.
What
did
I
see
the
benefit
of
combining
these
personally.
D
You
know
joe,
I
think
the
downtown
experience
is
very
different
and
I
would
love
to
hear
from
you
know:
pam,
stephen
or
well
robin's.
Not
who
else
is
my
other
person,
but
brian
just
got
on
the
commission
everybody's
new
right
yeah,
I
guess
pam
and
steven
lee
are
saying
you
know
brent
campbell
just
came
off,
but
I
think
downtown
has
not
been
a
perfect.
It's
not
necessarily
a
great
process.
D
B
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
that
you
said
it
at
the
beginning.
Is
it
we
really
are
trying
to
elevate
design
just
overall,
you
know
and,
and
that-
and
I
thought
steph
made
a
good
point
that
hopefully
this
would
put
a
little
bit
more
light
on
this
new
board
and
may
help
to
accelerate
the
possibility
of
improving
the
guidelines.
P
I
I
agree,
this
is
robin
reigns
and
what
I
do
think
that
this
could
do
is
I
mean
I
see
this
as
a
possibility
to
elevate
the
design,
because
if
this
is
taken
as
a
commission,
I
think
that
the
social
issues
won't
get
in
the
way
of
that,
and
I
think
people
are
going
to
hear
the
design
review
as
a
more
important
factor
in
moving
forward
than
it's
just
a
suggestion.
And
let's
talk
about
you
know
social
issues
or
other
things,
so
I'm
for
it.
P
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
positive
change.
I
think
that
it
could,
you
know,
make
everything
work
in
a
more
expected
way
for
the
developers
and
more
expected
ways
for
architects,
and
I
I
don't
see
a
negative
really.
N
And
I
agree
with
robin
is
as
well.
I
think
it's
given
some
of
the
new
guidelines
and
ordinance
items.
I
think
it.
The
whole
design
process
just
needs
a
reboot
and
a
refresh,
and
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
just
for
everybody
to
step
back,
learn
the
new
ordinance
really
really
well
and
come
at
it
with
a
new
perspective.
F
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
streamline
everything
I
mean.
F
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
think
it
would
probably
streamline
things
I
think
in
the
downtown
commission,
when
we
separated
and
had
the
impacts
and
all
after
the
vote
that
that
worked,
but
it
just
made
for
some
really
long
hairy
meetings.
So
so
this
would
perhaps
streamline
some
things.
M
Okay,
I'm
hearing
sasha
is
this
right,
and
I
guess
group
is
this
right
that
maybe
one
of
the
major
concerns
that
this
group
would
have
moving
forward
is
determining
what
the
connection
would
still
be
between
the
downtown
and
riverfront
commissions
and
the
projects
that
are
being
reviewed
by
this
design
review
board
and
that,
maybe,
by
the
time
we
come
to
you
guys
at
the
full
commission,
we
should
provide
you
with
some
potential
options
for
what
that
would
look
like
right
and
then
to
jane's
point
it
also.
M
While
it's
somewhat
separate,
I
do
believe
it's
connected.
We
want
to
also
in
the
next
month,
have
some
internal
conversations
and
bring
to
you
some
information
about
how
we
might
be
able
to
address
improvements
to
the
guidelines
moving
forward.
M
D
D
So
we've
got
folks
for
the
next
agenda
item
joining
I
got
kind
of
give
them
a
heads
up.
I
thought
we
were
getting
near
the
end
of
this
item.
D
D
Does
the
committee
meeting
and
the
downtown
folks
can
there
you
are
free
to
go,
but
are
there
any
other
last
comments.
D
D
And
we
didn't
do
staff
introductions,
but
just
so
anybody
who's
watching
or
wanted
to
know
stephanie
with
strategic
planning
and
design
and
works
with
riverfront
is
here
and
stacy
is
the
project
manager
for
hotel
study
and
the
moratorium
project,
I'm
kind
of
the
administrator
of
design
review
and
we
also
had
dana
frankel
who
works
with
the
downtown
commission
and
jessica
bernstein,
who
is
a
planner
who
who
takes
a
lot
of
downtown
projects
through
the
process?
D
So
thanks
all
right
thanks,
everybody
don't
leave
if
you
can,
if
you
don't
if
you're
on
river
and
you
if
you
can
stay,
I
know
a
couple
of
you:
have
some
scheduling
issues
so
we'll
turn
the
meeting
over
to
you
or
stephanie.
What
were
you.
A
Again,
I
can
do
the
roll
call
for
the
planning
and
design
review
committee
lindsey
rhoden,
I'm
here.
Thank
you
lindsay
jeremy
goldstein.
I
am
here
joe
ramsmeyer.
A
Miss
pouring
or
I
don't
know
if
it's
me
or
the
system
so
you're,
where
was
I
joe,
are
you
there
yeah?
He
said
here,
okay
and
I
apologize.
I
did
not
hear
anybody
or
have
anybody
move
so
kate
and
kaya.
A
I
am
here
and
then
myself,
jane
matthews,
and
so
we
are
present.
We
have
a
quorum,
we
are
all
here.
I
guess
I
would
turn
it
over
to
staff
or
I
guess
how
we
proceed
in
terms
of
presentation
by
the
applicant.
D
Sure-
and
we
did
not
work
this
out
earlier-
I
have
I
have
what
they've
submitted
and
I
can
present
it,
but
jay
or
jeff
dalton
was
on
the
meeting.
M
Jeff,
maybe
we
could
have
the
app
the
applicants
himself,
yeah
yeah,
because
I
can't
tell
who
from
the
developers
are
here
as
well.
I
can
see
william
norris
and
there
he
is
or.
E
Q
And
also
greg
hoffman,
with
cdc.
D
Q
I
apologize
for
technical
difficulties.
Jeff
is
the
one
that
has
the
the
documents
for
the
presentation
so.
D
D
F
D
E
J
Okay,
phil
mechanic
building-
I
assume
everyone
knows
the
building
well
and
the
the
project
is
to
convert
it
to
a
mix
more
of
a
mixed
use.
Type
project.
J
We've
got
gallery
retail
artist
studios
on
the
lower
level,
some
food
and
beverage
on
the
second
floor
and
the
third
floor
is
a
lot
of
back
of
house
and
storage
and
the
fourth
floor,
which
is
the
street
level
on
robert's
his
restaurant
and
on
the
top
floor
we
have
an
event
space
and
the.
J
J
Adding
some
openings
on
the
south,
creating
some
openings
on
the
north
on
the
top
end,
also
on
the
second
floor,
replacing
a
garage
door
here
and
replacing
some
garage
door
and
some
of
the
item,
the
infill
items
that
exist
now.
J
Going
top
to
or
bottom
to
top.
J
J
Third
floor
is
storage,
which
also
has
a
this
is
a
mezzanine
with
a
large
opening
to
below,
and
this
is
the
roberts
street
level
roberts
is
on
the
right.
We
have
a
bar
kitchen
restaurant.
We
have
an
el
there's,
a
five
foot
difference
between
the
loading
dock
street
level
and
the
restaurant
level.
So
all
that
happens
along
column
line.
Seven.
J
We
have
a
stair
going
up
to
actually
through
throughout
all
levels,
and
the
goal
is
to
have
this
loading
dock,
the
outdoor
dining
area,
with
this
large
garage
door
that
opens
up
we've
created
a
new
opening
on
the
southeast
corner
to
go
to
a
little
dining
terrace.
That's
shown
better
on
the
site
plan,
then
the
top
four
we
are
removing
the
columns.
J
Dining-
and
this
is
the
south
elevation-
this
is
the
new
opening
on
the
fourth
floor
for
the
restaurant
and
then
on
the
lower
level,
we're
adding
some
larger
openings
to
get
more
light
into
the
retail
space,
and
that's
basically,
the
the
scheme.
This
is
the
existing
sign.
The
film
mechanic
sign
is
up
high
on
the
north.
Excuse
me
south
side,
and
it's
also
in
the
front
on
the
east
side
along
roberts.
J
C
A
Jeff,
I
would
like
to
see
the
site,
because
one
thing
I
don't
understand
is
exactly
your
dining
on
the
southeast
corner.
I
couldn't
couldn't
quite
figure
out
what
was
going
on
there.
J
Okay,
this-
these
are
existing
conditions
and
it's
this
area
right
here
that
we're
proposing
the
eating
area,
there's
a
guardrail
that
comes
around
the
corner
and
stops
a
little
short
of
the
building,
and
then
this
is
the
proposed
site
plan.
J
So
this
is
the
area
we're
talking
about
right
here,
we're
adding
street
trees,
and
you
may
want
to
spread
these
out
a
little
bit,
but
that
there's
the
door
going
out-
and
this
is
the
dining
area
and
that's
a
retaining
wall.
The
thicker
line
there.
J
P
J
There's
street
level
and
the
great
this
this
is
an
existing
retaining
wall.
So
great's
doing,
you
know
basically
moving
in
a
straight
line
up
the
hill,
so
we're
putting
a
wall
there
and
filling
that.
J
Concrete,
I
think
it's
just
gonna
be
cast
concrete,
casting
place
concrete.
J
The
this
is
an
existing
concrete,
retaining
wall
and
at
the
lowest
level
on
the
south
side
there
it's
a
concrete
slab
that
used
to
have
some
big
tanks
and
other
items
out
there,
and
it's
all
cast
concrete
and
there
are
existing
cast
concrete,
retaining
walls
on
that
south
side.
So
we're
just
sticking
with
that
same.
A
And
jeff
on
the
on
that
elevation
on
payne's
way,
and
I
apologize-
you
haven't
been
out
much
in
the
pandemic,
but
in
looking
at
the
guidelines,
there's
a
photograph
on
the
character,
defense,
finding
photograph,
the
last
page
of
the
guidelines,
and
it
shows
two
garage
doors
on
the
back
side
and
maybe
a
window
different
on
the
back
side.
I
was
just
curious
if
that's
being
repaired
or
it
has
been
repaired
or
it,
it
would
be
too
garage
doors
side
by
side,
one
to
the
right,
at
least
in
the
photograph.
A
A
Yeah,
if
you
look
at
page,
I
think
it's
like
page
47
of
the
it's.
The
last
page
of
the
design
guidelines
is
a
historic
and
again
I
haven't
gone.
Those
guidelines
are
ancient,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
ancient
ancient,
but
they,
but
there
is
a
second
garage
door
and
there
is
kind
of
modeling
a
mishmash
of
stuff
going
on
at
that
level,
maybe
a
whole.
It
seemed
like
there
was
something
going
on
that
was
not
copacetic.
J
We
we'll
make
sure
that
that's
we
get
that
right,
the
we've
got,
we
were
using
cad
files
and-
and
we
missed
that
it
was
cad
files
from
a
previous
project.
So.
A
A
Down,
I
think,
on
the
floor
and
the
floor
above
I'm
just
looking.
I
pulled
it
up
the
floor
above
there's,
you
know
a
window
gone
and
the
opening
is
filled
with
block
and
been
expanded.
So
there's
there's
more
going
on
in
the
back,
and
I
just
just
being
clear
about
you
know
that
it
would
go
back
and
it
would
be
repaired
and
matching
for
whatever
your
intent
is
be
good
to
hear
that.
But
it's
definitely
got
a
bunch
of
other
things
going
on.
A
G
Jeff,
will
you
continue
to
use
the
existing
elevator
and
shaft
for
a
service,
elevator
or
and
then
introduce
a
secondary
elevator
or
a
new
elevator
for
other
use.
G
J
If
it's
workable
and
still
inspected
and
seems
appropriate,
we'll
keep
it,
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
spend
money
if
we
don't
have
to,
but
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
new
elevator.
Is
my
in
the
existing
shaft
we've
not
done
a
full
assessment
of
what
that
elevator.
J
A
As
chair,
I
want
to
make
sure
jeff
that
you
are,
you
know,
have
had
time
to
present
that
you've
presented
what
you
want
to
present,
because
I
know
I
have
and
I'm
sure
my
committee
has
specific
questions
that
maybe
you
can
help
answer
with
drawings
at
hand.
So
I'd
like
to.
I
mean
I've
asked
already
one,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
some
more,
but
I'm
sure
my
committee
might
also
have
other
questions
and
I
kind
of
opened
open
that,
if
you're,
if
you're
done
presenting
jeff.
O
Hey
lindsay,
the
one
I
was
wondering
about
was
let's
just
kind
of
look
at
street
lighting
and
building
lighting
and
signage,
and
I
noticed
you've
got
some
lights
sort
of
on
the
building
up
high.
But
I
didn't
know
if
you
were
thinking
about
at
the
pedestrian
scale
and
then
also
maybe
just
talking
about
the
signage
a
little
bit.
O
So
I
heard
we're
keeping
the
phil
mechanic
sign,
which
I
think
would
be
great
and
then
it
looked
like
there
was
like
a
metal,
thin
sign
and
I've
got
to
pull
the
guidelines
up
and
just
wondered
if
you
could
talk
about
the
old
guidelines.
The
guidelines
we
have,
but
as
it
relates
to
your
your
design,
efforts.
J
I'm
sorry
I
got
cut
off.
Could
you
repeat
the
question
you.
O
Missed
all
my
rambling,
then
you
missed
my
long
long
question.
I
was
I'll
try
to
make
it
more
concise.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
just
speak
about
the
street
lighting
and
building
lighting
as
well
as
signage
as
it
relates
to
the
guidelines
and
just
kind
of
elaborate
on
your
thoughts
at
this
point.
J
J
O
Yeah-
and
I
just
I
thought,
on
the
like
those
sort
of
showed
life
up
high
right
around
the
around
the
building
so
like.
O
Alliance
or
something
they
look
like
cylinder
type
thing
right
and
are
there
street
lights
for
this?
It's
kind
of
a
smaller
street
frontage.
I
guess
then,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
I
made
that
a
cdc
question,
but
what
are
you
guys
thinking
about
because
sometimes
we'll
get
little
images,
even
though
I
know
it's
really
early
and
schematic,
but
it
helps
us
kind
of
look
at
that
character.
A
And
we
could
make
that
potentially
contingent
on
a
review
by
staff
later
on
that
they
introduce,
if
they
introduce
lighting,
to
have
it
reviewed
by
staff.
L
Related
to
that
about
the
power
lines,
the
tree
species,
I
love
those
tree
species,
but
they
get
like
60
to
80
feet,
tall
and
they're
relatively
medium
and
fast
growers.
So
you
may
want
to
consider
a
smaller
tree
for
your
street
trees
and
also
too
there's
some
really
great
examples
down
there
and
maybe
just
continuing
what
is
doing
well
and
thriving
down
there
already
for
some
consistency.
A
So
jeff
I
have
some
questions
regarding
the
restaurant
uses
and
how
it's
something
that's
come
up.
Often
when
we're
reviewing-
and
I
know
you
mentioned
you're
at
schematic,
but
be
good
to
get
some
thoughts
and
having
done
a
lot
of
restaurants.
I
know
the
architects
here
can,
you
know,
can
attest
that
it
ends
up
having
a
lot
of
exhaust
requirements,
hoods
and
equipment
venting.
A
How
that
is
handled
is
sensitive
and
just
curious.
I
mean,
I
know
you
have
things
on
the
roof
behind
a
screen.
That
is
it's
just.
It
looks
like
it
may
be
metal
slap,
but
I
don't
know
what
it
is
really
you
know
I
haven't
it's
just
a
graphic,
I'm
not
quite
sure,
but
I'm
wondering.
Does
everything
go
up
to
that
to
the
roof,
or
are
you
eventually
going
out
because
those
hot
those
are
big,
honking,
mushrooms
on
the
side
of
a
building,
typically.
A
J
It's
probably
four
or
five
feet:
high
and
I've
got
I've
got
some
cut
sheets
on
metal
screens
that
can
get
to
you
that
we've
used
downtown
before.
J
A
If
the
venting
is
all
to
the
roof,
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem.
I
mean
sometimes
they're
huge,
but
you
know
five
foot
screen
and
maybe
the
angle
wouldn't
be
seen,
but
that's
good
that
you've,
given
that
consideration
as
to
where
those
are-
and
I
assume
then
all
of
the
equipment
is
behind
any
any
equipment
that
would
be
surface
or
roof
mounted,
would
be
in
that
general
area.
A
The
other
question
I
had
was
about
the
deck
on
the
north
side,
what
that
was
made
out
of
and
what
it
was
being
supported
by
their
posts
shown
and
indication
by
metal
railing.
But
I
just
was
curious
as
to
what
that
was
in
terms
of
materiality.
C
A
C
A
To
your
credit,
I
did
look
at
the
windows
that
you
listed
and
I
think
that's
a
great
solution,
they're
trying
to
match
the
historic
quality
of
the
windows
repair
which
you
can
replace
and,
like.
I
think,
that's
great.
I
appreciate
that
that
information
was
helpful.
A
A
J
C
D
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
for
explaining
that
sure.
If
there
are
no
other
questions
of
the
committee
members
to
the
applicant
and
the
applicant,
there's
no
one
else
on
the
committee
on
the
applicant
side.
That
wants
to
add
anything.
We
will
close
that
public
comment
one
last
time
and
have
discussion
among
the
committee
members
on
the.
O
It's
flimsy
I
mean
in
general,
I
feel
like
it's
so
nice,
it's
almost
easier
to
look
at
a
building.
That's
existing
right
from
this
perspective,
so
something
new.
So
to
me
a
lot
all
the
the
approach
and
gestures
are
sort
of
making
a
lot
of
sense
and
I'm
just
excited
to
kind
of
see
it
continue
to
develop
the
only
the
parking
it
look
like
it's
just
going
to
be
the
gravel
parking.
A
Thing
I
missed
here
was
the
dumpster.
I
was
going
to
ask
jeff
about
that
because
I
thought
there
was
a
dumpster
shown
somewhere.
I
saw
on
a
site
plan,
but
no
information.
O
A
And
I
guess
what
I
would
say
if,
if
jeff
and
I
apologize
jeff-
I
should
have
done
this
during
the
hearing.
But
if
there
is
an
information
provided
it's
that's
usually
something
we
ask
for
is
design
of
the
dumpster.
Then
I
would
I'd
say
at
this
point:
we
probably
have
to
pump
that
one
back
to
sad
unless
jeff
is
going
to
materialize.
One
here
I
missed.
A
That
that
would
be
good
have
that
contingent
on
good
stuff
getting
that
and
if
again,
if
there's
questions
staff
came
down
to
us,
it's
just
that.
Sometimes
we
get
you
know
different
doors
and
different
materials
that
don't
relate
to
the
district,
so
we're
just
looking
at
those.
So
thank
you.
Chad,.
A
A
I
appreciate
the
moves
that
are
being
made
to
preserve
and
then,
where
new
is
being
added
in
most
cases
trying
to
keep
it
within
character
of
that
building
at
first
I
had
some
concern
about
the
strip
of
windows
at
the
top,
the
clear
story
and
looking
at
our
guidelines,
I
think
the
fact
that
it's
set
back
from
the
facades,
at
least
at
the
front,
is
this
one
and
back
from
the
back
with
the
screen
of
the
hvc
and
the
equipment,
helps
to
sort
of
tone
that
down
somewhat.
A
I
think,
if
one
more
literal
one
would
say,
that's
a
strip
of
glazing
that
we
really
don't
encourage
in
the
guidelines,
but
I
think
it
is
hidden
and
set
back
and
probably
won't
impact
the
historic
integrity
of
that
building.
C
A
Yeah,
it's
not
the
idea,
it's
not
the
concept
of
a
clear
story,
hf
so
much
as
it's
just
it's
it's
a
little
bit
more
like
a
strip
of
windows
versus
pop
pop
pop,
and
I
think
the
guidelines-
and
I
I
should
have
cited
that
page,
but
it
kind
of
was
more
encouraging
of
at
least
at
some
articulation
of
the
mullions,
and
you
have.
O
A
But
I
think
you
know
a
little
heavier
probably
would
have
probably
would
have
cut
it
down
a
little
bit
and
less
of
a
strip.
But
again
I
think
it's
set
back
it's
you
know
it's
it's!
It's
trying
to
be
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
there
is
a
historic
edge
to
the
building,
that's
being
maintained.
J
We
didn't-
we
don't
have
it
in
here,
but
as
a
straight
on
view
perspective
from
across
roberts
street,
you
don't
see
the
clear
story
at
all:
you've
got
to
get
down
the
street
or
around
the
side
somewhere
to
see
it
and
from
payne's
way,
you're
not
going
to
see
it
at
all,
because
it's
so
far
up
in
the
end,
good.
A
Are
there
any
comments
from
the
committee
any
other
comments
from
anyone
else,
joe
anybody?
If
not,
would
someone
like
to
propose
a
motion.
G
Up
as
loud
as
you
can,
okay,
you
say
that
in
the
claire
story,
room
upstairs
it's
an
event
space.
What
types
of
things
do
you
foresee
having
you?
Is
it
only
for
your
weddings
and
meetings
or
whatever
dances,
or
is
there
any
regular
use
or
what?
What
is?
What
is
your
vision
for
that?
G
J
All
gonna
be
by
zoom
joe
we're
and
I
have
events
and
no,
it
would
be.
You
know,
weddings
and
things
of
that
sort.
Music,
and
you
know
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
a
party
place,
assuming
that
we
can
all
get
together
one
day
in
person.
D
A
It
does
there's
a
small
roof
right.
It's
at
the
front.
A
Talking
about
the
front
the
front,
the
elevator,
penetrating
the
roof
right
above
the
entrance
sort
of.
J
L
Do
you
guys
have
any
views
from
coming
across
the
bridge
headed
in
that
direction,
that.
J
J
D
J
C
A
So
on
that
view
it
looks
like
it's.
I
know
I'm
looking
at
the
wrong
side,
never
mind
my
question.
I
just
answered
it.
Okay,
that
clear
story
is
more
punched
openings
on
the
north
side.
J
Yeah
yeah,
we
we
extended
the
brick
up
on
the
north
side,
yeah
the
parapet's
different
on
the
north
and
south
side.
So
it's
it's.
It
runs
level
all
the
way
across
on
the
south
side
on
the
north
side,
it's
kind
of
jumping
up
and
down,
so
we
made
the
decision
to
cut
it
and
run
it
and
cut
the
jumping
up
and
down
part
off
and
then
extend
the
brick
up
and
have
more
of
a
punched
opening
on
that.
That
side.
C
H
A
A
The
metal
screen
at
the
back
of
the
hvac
screening,
the
the
back
mechanical,
got
it.
A
One
second,
thank
you
lindsay
call
the
question
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
D
A
Thank
you.
Let's
see,
I
see
kate
kate,
how
do
you
vote
hi,
hi
jeremy
hi,
lindsay
hi
joe
hi
and
all
about
I.
A
It
doesn't
count
so
jeff
and
comrades.
You
have
approval
from
us
and
that
will
go
to
the
riverfront
commission
with
our
approval
at
their
august
something
meeting,
13
13
meeting.
J
A
I
would
say
you
know
it
would
be
if
you
have
information
jeff.
It
might
be
helpful
if
you
can
get
that
step
in
between
now
and
that
meeting
and
staff
sasha.
If
you
have
need
to
have
input
from
the
committee
anybody
you
know,
I
hope
you'll
call
upon
individuals,
okay,
yeah.
J
Talk
no
problem,
I
can
get
it
to
you
monday,.
A
J
A
I
guess
motion
to
adjourn
would
be
appropriate.
Did
someone
like
to
do
that
motion.
A
A
To
these
new
rules,
all
right
well,
thank
you
all
and
thank
you,
kate
and
jeremy
is
appreciate.
You
contributing
this
time,
your
your
first
real
meeting,
so
thank
you.
They're.