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B
Second,
I
just
got
an
email
from
guillau
he's
having
some
trouble
getting
in
welcome
everybody
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
meeting
for
december
2nd
2020..
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
will
hear
public
comments.
Only
on
items
that
appear
on
the
agenda.
Presentations
by
the
public
shall
be
limited
to
no
more
than
10
minutes
for
the
main
spokesperson
for
a
group
and
no
more
than
three
minutes
for
other
individuals.
B
Additional
information,
as
always
may
be
conveyed
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
in
written
form,
and
if
you
will
go
to
the
city
website,
you
will
find
a
number
of
ways
that
you
can
either
view
or
submit
information,
and
that
website
address
is
ashevillenc.gov
forward.
Slash
department
forward,
slash
city
clerk
forward,
slash
boards
and
commissions
forward,
slash
planning
and
zoning
commission.
B
C
I
apologize
chair
houser,
if
you
all
could
just
just
say
present.
If
I
call
your
name
so
chairhouser.
B
D
C
Great
all
right,
mr
chair,
we
have
a
quorum.
C
And
just
to
clarify
those
that
it's
included
identifying
who
made
the
motion
for
one
of
the
items
and
a
typographical
error
regarding
some
dates.
B
B
Do
I
need
to
move?
Do
we
need
a
motion
to
move
the
hotel
items
to
the
next
meeting.
C
E
G
B
We
have
a
request
to
conditionally
re-zone
a
portion
of
the
property
located
at
99999
sandhill
road
from
commercial
industrial
to
commercial
expansion
additional
zone,
along
with
the
change
in
the
future
land
use
map
from
urban
center
to
employment,
slash
anchor
institution
center
properties
identified
as
property
identification;
number
nine,
six
one,
seven,
four:
three:
zero:
four:
four:
zero
in
the
buncombe
county
tax
record,
the
owner
is
anka
partners
of
asheville
llc
and
the
contact
is
brian
hall.
The
planner
coordinating
the
review
is
ms,
shannon
tuff.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
as
mr
hauser
has
indicated,
this
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
conditional
zoning
request
for
the
property
located
at
999
sandhill
road,
of
course,
that
5
9
address
identifies
that
the
property
is
currently
undeveloped.
C
C
The
subject
property
is
currently
zoned
commercial
industrial
conditional
zone,
which
is
the
result
of
a
former
development
proposal
from
back
in
2010.
That
was
a
very
large
retail
center
that
included
more
than
just
this
property.
It
actually
included
property
to
the
east.
That's
now
in
buncombe
county's
jurisdiction.
C
That
proposal
was
never
built,
so
the
applicant
this
evening
is
requesting
a
rezoning
to
commercial
expansion
cz
to
accommodate
a
new
distribution
and
warehousing
facility.
The
property
is
located
on
the
edge
of
the
city's
jurisdiction.
You
can
see
the
buncombe
county
jurisdiction
and
zoning
line
there
on
the
east
side
of
the
subject
property.
C
C
C
H
C
C
I
apologize.
Let
me
let
me
go
back
here
just
a
little
bit,
so
here's
that
exhibit
a
map
that
I
was
referring
to.
You
can
see
it's
it's
a
large
site
located
near
smoky
park.
Highway
you've
got
the
buncombe
county
property
there
on
the
east,
and
you
can
see
that
bold
kind
of
purple
blue
line
is
that
is
the
jurisdictional
line
between
the
city
and
the
county.
C
I
probably
don't
need
to
go
back
over
the
explanation
that
it
was
formerly
commercial
industrial
conditional
zone
for
a
large
retail
center.
It's
now
proposed
to
be
commercial
expansion,
so
here's
that
aerial
image
that
I
started
to
talk
about,
and
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
imagery
that
the
site
had
been
part
of
a
larger
industrial
complex
at
one
point
in
time,
the
structures
and
pavement
and
walkways
and
parking
areas.
All
of
that
has
now
been
removed.
C
C
Also
from
the
aerial
you
can
see
the
location
of
harmony
creek
along
the
northern
and
western
edges
of
the
property,
the
creek
and
its
corresponding
stream.
Buffers
don't
actually
abut
the
property.
So
remember
this
is
just
the
project
area
is
just
a
portion
of
this
larger
site,
so
there's
actually
other
property.
That's
between
the
project
area
and
the
creek.
However,
there
is
a
tributary
here
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
property
that
does
come
into
the
project
area.
C
Should
this
rezoning
be
supported,
it
would
also
require
a
change
to
the
city's
future
land
use
map,
which
is
part
of
our
comprehensive
plan.
Today,
this
this
is
showing
the
proposed
future
land
use
map.
Today,
this
this
area
is
blue.
The
employment
anchor
institution
area,
that's
the
subject.
Property
is
blue
and
it's
the
urban
center
designation
and
again
that
urban
center
designation
is
a
remnant
from
that
2010
retail
project
that
never
move
forward,
so
employment
anchor
institution
is,
is
more
appropriate
for
the
proposal
that's
being
offered
this
evening.
C
It's
also
consistent
with
the
surrounding
designations,
including
the
industrial
manufacturing
that
still
exists
to
the
south,
the
employment
anchor
institution
property
to
the
west,
which
is
the
av
tech,
property
and
then
across
smokey
park.
Highway
is
urban
corridor
designation,
which
supports
a
variety
of
sort
of
highway,
oriented
businesses.
C
So
in
reviewing
the
site
plan,
I've
taken
the
site
plan
out
of
your
package
and
and
tipped
it.
It
took
me
a
minute
to
realize
that
the
orientation
wasn't
correct
in
the
plans
when
I
first
looked
at
them
or
it's
not
that
it
was
incorrect,
but
it's
not
oriented
to
north,
so
I've
spun
it
around.
So
it's
consistent
with
the
other
maps
so
that
north
is
at
the
top
of
the
page.
So
again,
the
project
area
is
a
little
under
32
acres.
C
The
building
that
is
proposed
located
there
on
the
eastern
side
is
a
one-story
48
foot
tall,
warehouse
and
distribution
building
approximately
130
000
square
feet.
There
is
an
employee
parking
lot
to
the
north
here
on
the
north
side
of
278
spaces,
and
then
we
have.
We
call
it
a
van
parking
lot,
but
it's
it's
really.
I
mean
it's
a
parking
lot
because
you're
parking
vehicles,
but
it's
really
a
storage
area
for
the
distribution
facilities,
work
vehicles.
So
that's
the
band
parking
area
and
that's
a
larger
parking
lot
of
696
spaces.
C
C
We
have
sidewalks
throughout
the
site
that
range
in
width
from
four
feet
to
12
feet
and
they're
they're
narrower
sidewalks,
four
or
five
foot
wide
sidewalks
the
further
away
from
the
building.
But
as
you
get
closer
to
the
building
the
sidewalks
widen,
you
know,
as
you
get
closer,
you
get
the
wider
easier
to
navigate
sidewalks
closer
to
the
building.
C
C
You
may
recall
from
when
you
reviewed
that
ordinance
that
there
are
three
different
ways
of
complying.
You
can
preserve
existing
trees
on
the
site.
You
can
reforest
portions
of
the
site
or
you
can
pay
a
fee
in
lieu
or
any
combination
of
those
three.
So
in
this
particular
case,
there
might
be
just
a
very
small
bit
of
tree
canopy
that
can
be
preserved
around
this
creek
area,
but
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
reforest
about
10
percent
of
the
site
and
and
then
pay
a
fee
in
lieu
for
the
balance
of
whatever
that
final
number
ends.
C
Up
being
so
they
will
comply
with
treat
preservation,
there's
also
an
open
space
requirement
which,
for
this
project,
would
be
15
percent
of
the
site
area.
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
b
one
conditions
in
a
little
more
detail
in
a
bit,
but
those
conditions
refer
to
five
percent
open
space.
However,
commissioners
may
recall
from
the
conversation
about
the
tree
canopy
preservation
that
tree
canopy
can
overlap
open
space.
C
So,
while
the
applicant
has
designated
five
percent
of
the
site,
which
is
the
area
around
the
greenway,
that
is
on
the
western
side
of
the
property
here
as
open
space
which
satisfies
that
requirement
and
that's
it
is
land
that
is
suitable
for
open
space
designation.
But,
additionally,
we
have
these
areas
of
tree
preservation.
That
can
also
be
counted.
C
C
We
also
have
the
historic
clock
tower
that
is
proposed
to
be
preserved
and
that's
located
here,
sort
of
in
the
center
of
the
site,
kind
of
on
that
northeast
corner
of
the
van
parking
area,
and
then
we
have
greenway
easements
the
anka
heritage.
Greenway
trail
is
located
here
along
the
western
boundary.
C
It
is
a
proposed
to
be
a
10-foot
wide
greenway
with
a
15-foot
easement
and
a
25-foot
construction
easement.
The
applicant
has
been
in
contact
with
the
buncombe
county
staff.
This
is
a
buncombe
county,
greenway,
so
they'll
be
working
with
them.
On
the
exact
and
precise
alignment
and
location
of
those
easements
and
greenway,
we
also
have
access
to
the
site
via
a
new
road
that
will
be
coming
from
the
new
bridge
that
is
located
on
smoky
park
highway.
C
It's
not
yet
open,
but
it
will
be
soon
and
that
will
connect
through
some
new
road
construction
to
the
project
area
and
then
from
coming
into
the
new
project
area.
There
are
bike
lanes
along
this
access
road
into
the
employee
parking
lot,
and
so
that's
just
a
good
that,
combined
with
the
sidewalks
and
the
greenway,
satisfies
the
multimodal
requirement.
C
Building
elevations
they're
they're
relatively
non-descript.
It
is
a
warehouse
and
distribution
facility.
The
primary
facade
would
be
this
eastern
facade
at
the
top
of
the
page.
The
commercial
expansion
district
really
contemplates
a
different
kind
of
commercial
project,
typically
located
along
a
primary
corridor.
C
In
this
particular
case,
the
the
property
doesn't
really
have
road
frontage,
but
even
if
it
did,
this
would
be
the
primary
facade.
The
requirement
is
40
fenestration
at
the
ground
level.
I
have
not
yet
received
the
fenestration
number
for
this
ground
level,
but
in
just
eyeballing
it
it's,
it
appears
to
be
about
40.
So
I
think
that
requirement
is
either
satisfied
or
is
very
close
to
being
satisfied.
C
There's
also
a
requirement
that
doors
be
spaced
every
a
minimum
of
75
feet.
Again,
that's
imagining
a
different
kind
of
commercial
project.
I
don't
know
that
we
would
feel
the
need
to
to
satisfy
that
requirement
with
this
particular
land
use.
However,
they
do
satisfy
that
for
these
three
doors,
this
appears
to
be
just
over
75
feet,
a
little
over
80
feet
so
again,
they're
very
close
to
complying,
even
though
it's
not
the
kind
of
business
that
would
normally
need
operable
entrances,
and
then
every
conditional
zoning
does
include
a
list
of
conditions.
C
We've
been
talking
with
the
applicant
the
conditions,
it's
customary
for
conditional
zoning
conditions
to
kind
of
evolve
as
you
go
through
the
review
process.
This
is
sort
of
where
we
started
when
we
started
the
trc
review
and
we've
identified
a
few
things
that
we'll
probably
want
to
update
before
we
go
to
city
council,
including
some
minor
revisions,
to
what
exactly
is
being
modified.
C
Condition
number
eight
refers
to
the
stream
buffer.
I
think
I
think
that
we
just
need
a
correction.
It
talks
about
the
western
and
northern
boundary
and
I
think
that's
when
we
didn't
recognize.
I
think
that's
a
lost
in
translation
error
and
we
just
need
to
correct
and
refer
to
the
proper
eastern
boundary
where
there
is
a
stream
buffer
condition.
Number
11
is
that
open
space
requirement
that
we
just
want
to
get
the
exact
number
and
get
that
updated
so
that
it's
accurately
reflected
and
then
condition.
C
Number
12,
of
course
refers
to
the
historic
clock
tower
when
this
these
b1
conditions
were
submitted.
The
applicant
was
in
the
process
of
obtaining
a
structural
analysis
of
the
tower
to
kind
of
understand
what
the
options
were
for
preservation,
they've
obtained
that
report
now
and
are
committing
to
preserving
the
tower
moving
forward.
C
So
we
need
to
just
update
this
condition,
number
12
to
reflect
that,
and
then
we
have
conditions
13
through
15
I
haven't
included,
but
those
are
the
city's
standard
conditions
for
the
duration
of
the
approval
acquiring
all
of
the
permits
and
just
our
standards
for
boilerplate
language,
that
the
subsequent
plans
need
to
substantially
comply
with
what's
being
reviewed
this
evening,
and
that
concludes
my
introduction
and
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
the.
I
know
that
the
developer
and
their
team
are
here
and
would
like
to
say
a
few
words
as
well.
F
C
It
is
going
to
be
a
subdivision,
and
I
should
so
you
can
see
this
is
the
northern
portion
of
the
property
is
so
here's
the
property
line
of
the
project
area,
so
the
northern
portion
of
the
property
is
not
included,
so
that
would
be
sort
of
this
area
and
the
you
can
see
that
it
does
sort
of
leave
this
odd
little
remnant
of
urban
center
kind
of
around
the
subject
area.
C
I've
already
spoken
with
the
property
owner
who
owns
the
property
outside
of
the
project
area
about
needing
to
re-zone
and
updating
the
future
land
use
map
for
this
piece
as
well.
You
recall
that
I
mentioned
that
former
2010
retail
development
and
it
included
not
just
this
property
but
property
to
the
east
in
buncombe
county.
So
at
one
point
in
time
that
property
was
in
the
city's
etj
and
this
looked
more
normal.
C
A
C
Well,
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
the
future
land
use
map
which
right
it's
a
little
confusing,
because
we
use
terms
like
urban
center
or
industrial,
but
the
designations,
the
land
use
future
land
use
designations
are
different
from
our
zoning
districts.
So
if
we
go
back
to
the
zoning
map,
you
can
see,
we
have
industrial
industrial.
C
A
C
C
C
Am
not
sure
it
it.
The
property
has
the
the
division
of
land
around
the
subject.
Property
is
a
little
unusual.
You've
got
sort
of
a
strip
that
kind
of
runs
along
the
waterway
and
then
you've
got
you
know
the
stuff
that's
kind
of
around
the
periphery
plus
the
property.
That's
going
to
be
left
over
on
the
northern
side
of
this
parcel.
C
I
know
that
it's
the
fletcher
partners
property
here
and
I
believe
in
this
area,
I'm
not
sure
about
the
ownership
of
the
strip
along
the
creek.
I
believe
it.
It
has
a
different
like
llc,
name
or
trust
name,
it's
not
the
fletcher
partners,
but
it
I'm.
I
believe
it
was
at
one
point
in
time.
I
think
they
may
have
subdivided
and
created
a
different
ownership
entity,
but
I
didn't
research
it
so
I'm
not
100
sure.
C
There
yeah
so
if
we
go
back
to
the
site
plan,
so
all
of
this
is
off
site.
So
this
whole
creek
area,
so
yeah.
E
D
A
D
Just
curious,
if
you,
if
there
had
been
any
input
or
feedback
from
buncombe
county
on
like
I
you
know,
I
realized
this.
Is
you
know
it's
a
buncombe
county
greenway,
so
how
buncombe
county
felt
about
that?
I
assume
that
the
applicant
has
spoken
with
the
county
and
dealt
with
all
of
that.
So.
C
So,
what's
reflected
on
the
plans,
is
what
duncan
county
asked
for,
but
you
can
see
the
greenway
here.
This
is
the
the
I
believe.
It's
the
15
foot
maintenance
easement
with
the
25
foot
construction
easement
through
the
edge
along
the
edge
of
the
subject
property,
but
of
course
it
continues
off-site.
C
So
the
hope
is,
you
know
eventually,
this
will
all
be
connected,
but
this
is
the
the
portion
of
the
greenway
that
we
would
want
to
get
the
easement
clarified,
and
that
would
be
another
clarification
to
the
b1
conditions.
We
want
to
more
specifically
identify
the
easement
and
the
location,
the
you
know,
general
location
of
the
greenway
eastmans.
It
is
called
out
on
the
plans,
but
probably
best
to
have
that
reflected
in
the
conditions
as
well.
C
They
are
using
the
easement
as
part
of
their
open
space,
and
we
want
them
to
that
that
in
the
open
space
standards
we
identify
the
different
kind
of
lands,
land
typologies
that
are
acceptable
as
open
space
and
because
greenways
are
such
a
high
priority
for
the
city.
We
want
to
make
it
super
easy
for
people
to
set
aside
that
land,
so
it
does
count
towards
their
open
space
requirement.
B
C
C
It's
somewhere
in
between
it's
based
on
the
number
of
employees
during
the
shift
of
greatest
employment.
B
Okay,
and
as
you
know,
I
can't
tell
from
this
plan:
do
you
know
if
there
is
any
plan
to
connect
to
the
greenway
so
that
employees
might
have
the
opportunity
to
use
that
as
their
mode
of
travel.
C
C
All
right,
well,
I
believe
the
developer
or
the
representative
is
here,
and
I
think
he
has
his
team
I'll
leave
my
screen
up
in
case.
We
want
to
refer
to
these
images
during
the
conversation,
but
brian,
I
don't
know.
If
are
you
going
to
kick
things
off.
I
Yes,
ma'am
I'd
be
happy
to
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
hear
our
project
and
thanks
for
the
opportunity
for
us
to
be
in
front
of
you.
First,
let
me
compliment
shannon
and
your
staff.
I
You
guys
have
a
great
staff
that
do
a
great
job
on
advising
folks
like
us
that
are
not
working
in
your
jurisdiction
every
day
about
what
what's
important
for
us
to
be
able
to
address
and
what's
important
for
us
as
we
approach
a
project
like
this
and
have
a
customer
who
is
asking
us
to
to
put
a
project
like
this
in
place,
and
so
we
appreciate
staff
and
the
hard
work
that
they've
done
and
feel
great
about
how
they
have
guided
us,
particularly
I'll
address
the
clock
tower.
I
First,
as
I've
heard
some
of
the
questions
that
you
have
chair
houser,
we
do
have.
The
report
actually
received
the
final
report
yesterday
and
let
me
say
we
appreciate
the
time
that
we
were
given
to
evaluate
that
clock
tower.
We
heard
certainly
the
public
comments,
as
I'm
sure
all
of
you
did
and
appreciate
those
public
comments
and
worked
to
try
to
address
them
in
as
quickly
and
as
responsibly
of
a
way
as
we
could.
First
and
foremost
for
us
was
the
structural
integrity
of
that
tower,
which
we
evaluated.
I
We
have
the
report
back
both
from
our
engineers
and
architects,
and
they
have
confirmed
that
the
tower
is
structurally
sound,
then.
Secondly,
the
tower
requires
both
some
repair
and
maintenance
items.
If
you've
gotten
a
closer
look
at
that
tower,
you
know
there's
some
there's
some
mortar
that
is
missing
that
has
come
out
due
to
asian
weather.
That's
got
to
be
replaced.
I
There
are
some
bricks
in
that
tower
that
need
to
be
replaced,
they've,
either
cracked
or
crumbled
or
have
come
out
over
the
years,
and
so
there's
some
work
to
do
on
that
tower,
which
we
are
prepared
to
do
and
are
willing
to
do
and
then,
finally,
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
the
tower
was
not
a
concern
or
threat
to
public
safety
over
the
years,
people
have
accessed
that
tower.
I
But
those
were
the
results
of
our
report,
and
so
we
appreciated
the
opportunity
to
get
through
that
to
confirm
those
things
and
understand
the
facts
surrounding
the
condition
of
that
tower,
to
be
able
to
make
the
statement
and
be
able
to
make
the
commitment
that
we
will
preserve
it,
which
we
will
and
the
site
plan
there
that
you
have
in
front
of.
You
confirms
that
also
important,
as
we
understood
and
have
been
working
on
this
project
for
some
months,
was
accommodating
that
greenway
that
you
guys
have
talked
about
in
missions.
I
We
understand
that's
important
and
we've
allocated
the
room
and
worked
with
buncombe
county
officials
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
width
that
they
need
both
not
only
for
the
greenway
to
exist,
but
also
for
the
construction
of
that
greenway
to
have
adequate
width
there
for
access
to
build
it
and
then
to
maintain
it
and
keep
it.
We
think.
That's
that's
really
important.
I
The
tax
base
and
the
job
growth
that
are
associated
with
this
project
are
important
to
us.
We,
we
are
cognizant
of
their
importance
to
both
the
county
and
the
city,
and-
and
we
appreciate
the
story
that
this
once
was
an
employment
center.
This
once
was
a
place
where
people
went
to
work
every
day
and
we're
working
to
return
that
to
a
place
where
people
will
go
to
work
every
day
in
a
very
new
and
an
influential
way
in
how
we
all
individually
receive
services,
goods
and
products
from
from
suppliers
and
providers.
I
Just
from
a
design
perspective,
the
the
van
storage
area,
we
will
be
investing
in
and
providing
electrical
conduit
underneath
that
entire
area
for
future
charging
of
each
one
of
those
individual
vans,
the
technology
and
the
capability
is
not
there
today,
but
we're
investing
in
the
electrical
infrastructure
underneath
that
storage
area
to
where
each
one
of
those
individual
vans
would
be
able
to
guard
electrically
in
the
future
upon
the
future
development
of
that
technology
and
the
implementation
of
fully
electric
vehicles
there
on
that
facility.
E
E
E
There's
hardly
a
lot
of
times
that
go
by
that
people
come
into
my
office
and
their
relatives
and
their
family
members
worked
in
this
in
this
plant
and
made
their
living,
and
it
came
in
in
the
late
20s
got
people
through
the
depression.
People
don't
realize
the
the
importance
that
plants
like
this
made
to
the
community.
They
had
newspapers
and
softball
teams
or
baseball
teams.
They
had
basketball
teams.
E
They
were
a
very
big
part
of
the
community
and
to
keep
this
clock
tower,
there
was
a
an
important
aspect
and
an
important
component
for
how
the
community
feels.
So
we
appreciate
you
doing
the
your
appraisal
and
that
the
that
it
came
back
that
the
that
you
can
keep
the
clock
tower
as
part
of
the
our
community.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
B
A
I
No
ma'am
it's
it
would.
I
would
call
it
very
common
goods
that
that
you
would
typically
receive
in
your
house
or
expect
to
receive
in
your
house
very,
very
typical
type.
So
it's
a
wide
range
of
goods
and
services
or
goods
and
products
that
come
out
of
that
facility.
I
One
of
the
earlier
questions
I
failed
to
mention,
while
I'm
speaking
was
you
ask
about
the
area?
That's
just
to
the
left
of
the
building
there,
and
so
that's
a
that's
a
loading
zone
where
the
vans
will
approach
the
building
to
be
loaded
for
their
deliveries
for
the
day
and
then
the
vans
will
leave
the
facility
upon
completion
of
being
loaded.
I
So
the
vans
come
from
the
storage
area
to
the
staging
area
that
shannon
mentioned
and
then
adjacent
to
the
building
to
be
loaded,
and
then
they
will
leave
the
facility
for
their
deliveries
for
the
day,
and
so
it's
a
wide
range
of
goods
and
services.
But
there
are
no
specific
hazardous
activities
that
are
happening
inside
the
facility
or
hazardous
materials
that
you
know
would
cause
any
sort
of
environmental
concern
associated
with
the
operation.
A
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
I'm
not
trying
to
snoop
and
find
out
who
it
is,
but
I'm
just
there's
been
a
lot
of
like
waste
in
this
area
from
the
industry
previously.
So
I
was
just
checking.
G
A
couple
of
comments
I
I
actually
have
been
passing
by
there
every
day
on
I'm
working
at
the
av
tech
campus
and
I
became
very
when
the
project
came
up.
I
I
noticed
that
I
passed
by
the
bridge
less
than
an
hour
ago.
The
one
that
is
is
that
the
one
that's
blocked
off
right
on
there
on
the
highway
as
you're
going
towards,
and
I
assume
that's
the
one
you're
talking
about
you
said,
and
you
said
that
the
traffic
calculations
were
based
on
peak
hours.
G
Could
you
be
more
specific
because
that
that
road
gets
a
lot
of
youth,
and
I
I
just
having
experienced
it
over
the
last
month
on
a
daily
basis,
almost
I'm
kind
of
concerned-
that
within
a
quarter
mile
of
the
intersections
of
sardis
road,
there
is
there's
suddenly
this
very
massive
amount
of
traffic
coming
out.
When
do
you
when,
when
is
peak
hours
of
operation?
I
Sure
yeah
excellent
question:
our
traffic
projections
are
relatively
constant
throughout
the
day.
It's
not
a
load,
all
the
all
the
vehicles
at
one
time
send
them
all
out
at
one
time.
I
You
can't
get
back
to
sandhill
road,
but
you're,
leaving
this
facility
and
turning
right
on
what
will
be
walk
off
way
to
head
due
south
to
get
back
by
some
of
the
other
industrial
users
that
are
close
by
and
so
the
traffic.
We
expect
to
not
solely
go
out
in
one
direction
and
it
does
not
solely
go
out
at
one
specific
time,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
a
great
answer
to
your
question
of
when
is
the
peak
time,
because
the
traffic
flow
is
pretty
consistent
throughout
the
day.
I
At
shift
change,
you've
got
a
large
amount
of
employee
traffic
or
the
employee
shift.
Change
is
probably
most
impactful
when
they're
changing
shifts
at
typical
shift
change
times,
one
in
the
morning,
one
in
the
late
afternoon,
but
from
a
from
the
vans
and
their
flow.
The
best
answer
I
can
give
you
is,
let
me
share
with
you
the
trip
generation
and
you
can
see
over
the
hours
how
the
trip
goes,
but
there's
not
one
peak
where
they
all
come
in
and
they
all
go
out.
If
that
makes
sense,.
G
It
does
the
other.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
about
specifically
the
smokey
park
entrance,
shannon
or
mr
hall.
If
I,
what
improvements
will
be
made
to
smokey
park
so
that
the
there
there
are
turn.
Are
there
proposals
turning
lanes
into
it?
I
mean
I,
I
I'm
not
seeing
that
I
may
be
looking
at
the
wrong
document,
but
I
just
could
you
please
go
over
any
improvements
to
that
specific
interchange
that
will
help
traffic
flow
smoothly
along
smoking.
Part.
I
Sir,
mr
rodriguez,
I'll
start
and
staff
shannon
may
have
more
to
add,
but
ncdot.
I
Project
underway,
it's
outside
of
the
scope
of
our
project
and
is
totally
exclusive.
My
understanding
is
that
it
is
going
to
occur
whether
we
come
or
not,
and
that
project
is
to
extend
a
road
internal
to
this
greater
area
from
smoky
park.
They
will
connect
to
that
bridge
that
you
mentioned.
That's
blocked
off,
extend
the
road
in
to
connect
here
to
walk
off
way,
which
is
the
intersection.
I
The
intersection
of
inka
heritage,
parkway
and
walk
off
way
is
just
there
to
the
edge
of
the
page
sort
of
on
the
northeast
corner
of
the
page,
and
that
particular
intersection
is
all
with
under
the
jurisdiction
and
control
of
ncdot.
I
And
so
my
understanding
is
that
that
bridge
is
currently
sized
the
one
that's
currently
in
place
as
a
multi-lane
facility
out
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
want
to
say
it's
five
lanes
wide.
I
I
would
need
to
verify
that
with
our
traffic
impact
analysis,
but
those
five
five
lanes
of
that
bridge
coming
across
harmony,
creek
and
then
into
the
facility,
do
have
turn
lanes
and
and
do
have
sufficient
storage
capacity
for
our
vehicles
to
be
able
to
get
out
both
to
not
only
smoky
park
highway,
but
also
south
sand
hill
road,
as
as
proposed
traffic,
would
go
both
directions.
G
F
D
Mr
hall,
I
have
two
comment
or
two
questions
and
one
well.
One
goes
back
to
your
comment
about
doing
running
electrical
service
lines,
or
at
least
conduit
line.
Underneath
of
all
that
van
storage
parking
area.
I
was
curious
to
know
if
there
would
be
a
pv
system
installed
on
the
roof
of
the
building
or
the
canopy,
that
is
over
the
van
loading
area
or
even
over
the
entirety
of
that
van
storage
area.
D
D
Part
of
the
preservation
of
the
clock
tower
has
come
since
probably
the
initial
layout
of
all
of
that
van
storage
area
and
kind
of
the
traffic
flow
through
there.
But
the
clock
tower
does
seem
a
little
pinched
by
the
roads,
and
I
wonder
if
it
might,
I
guess,
behoove
everyone
incl,
including
the
developer
and
and
the
owner
of
the
you
know
this
facility,
as
well
as
the
community.
If
that
clock
tower
had
a
little
more
breathing
room.
D
Just
you
know
getting
it
getting
the
road
away
from
it,
the
internal
roads
away
from
it,
and
then,
if
there
was
any
consideration
as
to
whether
the
public
would
be
able
to
come
like
is
there
gonna
be
anything
there?
Is
there
gonna
be
a
plaque?
Is
there?
Is
the
public
going
to
be
allowed
to
come
to
the
clock
tower,
given
that
it
does
have
that
community
presence-
and
this
is
on
a
private-
you
know
commercial
property,
so.
I
Yeah
I'll
I'll
answer
your
questions
in
a
couple
of
ways,
mr
archibald,
thank
you
for
them.
First,
on
the
pv
we
are
providing
the
structural
capability,
both
in
the
building
and
the
canopy
to
hold
pv.
I
I
It
is
on
private
property.
Security
is
a
big
concern
for
our
project
and
so
having
public
access
or
allowing
public
access
is
a
security
concern
and
also
from
a
maintenance
perspective
for
all
intensive
purposes.
It's
it's
been
publicly
accessible
for
the
last
couple
of
you
know,
10
years,
and
it's
that
has
not
resulted
in
a
great
result
per
our
report
that
I
could
share
with
you
and
and
I'm
not
saying
it's
been
managed
or
maintained
in
the
way
that
it
should
be
either
and
that's
not
to
be
critical.
I
It's
just
some
of
the
damage
that
is
done
to
the
tower
that
we
need
to
repair
is
from
public
access,
as
you
might
expect,
and
so
we're
concerned
about
that
from
integrity
of
the
tower
maintaining
the
tower
for
the
future.
And
appreciating
it
one
thing
that
I
will
say
that
we
have
considered-
and
I
think
maybe
one
of
the
members
mentioned
it
earlier-
was
being
able
to
paint
the
letters
inca
back
on
the
tower.
The
way
that
it
once
was
the
ian
kia
enka
there
on
those
places.
I
I
We've
done
our
very
best
to
try
to
accommodate
it
in
and
among
all
the
parts
and
pieces
that
we're
juggling
to
make
the
project
work,
and
so
we
feel
great
that
we
that
we
have
been
able
to
do
that
and
that
it
continues
to
work
with
the
operation
of
the
facility
and
the
way
the
facility
wants
to
to
look
at
it.
But
security
and
public
access
are
concerning
to
us,
and
so
we
want
to
try
to
preserve
it
in
the
best
way.
D
Thanks
for
that,
I
your
answers
were
not
not
what
I
they
were.
What
I
expected
essentially
so,
but
I
appreciate
it.
E
Mr
hall,
has
the
have
your
discussions
with
the
d.o.t?
Is
there
going
to
be
another
traffic
light
at
that
bridge?.
I
C
No,
we
will,
and
we
have
one
person
in
the
meeting
who
will
like
to
make
public
comment
and
then
we
did
give
the
opportunity
for
people
to
phone
in
and
ashley.
Maybe
we
start
with
the
phone
in
folks.
Is
there
anybody
online
who
would
like
to
speak?
Shannon.
H
My
name
is
clark
duncan,
and
I
served
as
executive
director
for
the
economics
development
coalition
here
in
asheville
and
buncombe
county
for
the
past
15
years,
our
staff
and
board
has
worked
with
the
developers
of
inca
commerce
park
alongside
our
partners
at
the
city,
the
county
and
the
state
to
help
attract
funding
in
the
infrastructure
of
economic
development
for
inca
commerce
park,
the
bridge,
the
much
discussed
bridge,
the
interior,
roads
and
sidewalks
water,
sewer
power
and
gas
all
in
an
effort
to
attract
the
kind
of
quality
high
wage
employment
that
aligns
with
our
community
gold
and
economic
development.
H
Very
briefly
here
tonight
to
support
my
support
for
the
rezoning
to
become
more
compatible
with
the
surrounding
high
value,
manufacturing
and
distribution
uses
in
the
park
and
really
to
connect
commend
the
developer
for
their
commitment
to
preserve
the
clock
tower
right
that
gives
incas
identity
as
an
economic
engine
in
asheville
and
western
buncombe
county.
Thank
you.
Shannon.
C
E
F
C
We
will
recess
this
public
hearing
and
take
it
up
on
december.
Our
mid-month
meeting
on
december
17th.
B
C
Thank
you
again,
mr
chair.
This.
This
item
is
a
wording
amendment
or
a
zoning
text
amendment
and,
as
this
commission
is
aware,
these
come
before
you
before
moving
on
to
city
council
for
final
review
and
approval,
this
amendment
has
to
do
with
the
city's
standards.
Special
standards
for
home
stays
home.
C
State
discussions
have
come
before
this
commission
on
a
number
of
different
occasions,
so
I
will
dispense
with
kind
of
reviewing
what
is
a
homestay
and
and
all
of
that,
but
I
will
begin
by
saying
that
really
a
lot
of
this
update
centered
around
the
definition
of
kitchen.
So
even
though
that
isn't
a
specific
home
stay
requirement,
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
the
definition
of
kitchen,
which
was
first
adopted
in
2018
and
that
definition
of
kitchen
came
along
with
some
other
changes
regarding
hotels
and
how
we
regulate
hotels.
C
That
was
part
of
the
big
change
in
hotel
regulation
back
in.
I
think
it
was
january
of
2018.,
and
at
that
time
we
we
adopted
a
definition
of
kitchen.
We
didn't
have
a
definition
before
that
and
we
were
operating
under
an
interpretation,
and
so
we
thought
best
to
clarify
this
and
establish
a
definition
and
that
definition
defined
a
kitchen
as
any
space
that
was
used
for
cooking
in
the
preparation
of
food
that
included
any
of
the
main
features
of
the
kitchen,
so
a
sink
a
full-size
refrigerator
or
stove.
C
So
if
you
had
any
one
of
those
three
things,
you
were
a
kitchen
and
that
was
by
design.
So
again,
this
was
kind
of
part
of
the
hotel
regulation.
We
wanted
to
allow
what
you
commonly
encounter
in
a
hotel
room.
You
know
sort
of
that
convenience
kitchen
where
you
have
a
coffee
pot
and
a
microwave
and
a
mini
fridge.
But
we
didn't
want
to
allow
the
full
spectrum
of
kitchen
amenities,
because
then
that
effectively
becomes
a
dwelling
unit.
And
if
you
have
a
separate
dwelling,
you
can't
have
a
home
stay
in
a
separate
dwelling
unit.
C
So
so
that
was
kind
of
the
rub.
Now
we
found
that
that
definition-
the
way
it
was
written,
was
a
little
bit
problematic
and
we
set
out
really
almost
right
away
to
try
to
revise
that
definition
so
that
we
didn't
have
that
interpretation
problem
that
we
were
having.
But
that
was
kind
of
where
we
kind
of
ran
into
some
issues.
So
not
everybody
could
agree
on.
C
You
know
what
that
definition
should
include
what
we're
we're
trying
to
understand
the
impacts
of
changes
to
the
definition,
and
it
sounds
funny
because
we're
just
talking
about
a
definition
of
a
kitchen,
but
it
really
was
a
pretty
complex
issue
so
and
then,
of
course,
the
pandemic
hit
and
things
got
kind
of
delayed.
So
this
conversation
really
started
back
in
2018
and
we
are
now,
I
think,
happily,
coming
around
to
a
proposal
that
we
think
works
for
for
a
lot
of
people.
C
So
we
have
been
working
with
representatives
of
the
homestay
network
as
well
as
talking
with
council
members
and
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee,
and
we
worked
on
trying
to
identify
what
were
our
common
goals
so
and
I
think
we
were.
We
succeeded
in
saying
that
we
wanted
to
expand
the
opportunity
to
have
a
home
stay,
so
there's
this
new
economic
opportunity
available
to
folks.
So
we
wanted
to
expand
that
to
the
greatest
number
of
people
who
wanted
to
take
advantage
of
it,
but
we
wanted
to
control
for
a
couple
things.
C
So
as
a
result
of
those
conversations,
we're
now
proposing
a
more
permissive
definition
of
kitchen
that
would
allow
a
homestay
owner
to
move
more
flexibly
between
short-term
and
long-term
renting,
and
that
was
one
of
the
big
goals
of
the
homestay
network.
Folks
is
that
you
know
in
the
pandemics
a
perfect
example.
So
what
might
have
been
a
very
active
home
stay
before
the
pandemic?
People
kind
of
stopped,
traveling
or
they're
encouraged,
not
to
travel
a
lot
of
that
business.
Sort
of
has
dried
up.
C
But
in
order
to
address
the
nuisance
issues
and
the
potential
loss
of
housing
stock,
we
really
needed
to
make
a
couple
pretty
significant
changes,
or
these
are
new
changes.
I
guess,
and
one
is
that
we
need
to
explicitly
state
in
the
standards
that
only
one
permit
is
allowed
per
person,
and
we
we
already
did
that
or
per
property
is
what
we
had
formally
done.
But
now
we're
trying
to
say
you
can
only
have
one
per
person
and
a
person
and
it's
not
just
a
person.
C
It
includes
a
person,
an
llc,
a
trust,
a
corporation
so
that,
if
you're
a
member
of
any
one
of
those
things,
you
only
get
one
permit.
So
if
you're,
a
property
owner,
a
property
investor-
and
you
have
seven
different
properties
in
nashville
and
they're
all
under
a
different
trust,
but
you're.
The
managing
member
of
that
trust.
C
We're
going
to
be
able
to
we're
going
to
research
that
and
figure
out
what
your
ownership
is
and
if
you
apply
for
another
piece
of
property,
we're
going
to
check
the
ownership
of
that
trust
and
realize
that
you
already
have
a
home
stay
at
this
property.
So
you're
not
going
to
be
eligible
for
another
homestay.
C
So
so
that
is
what
we
propose,
as
as
part
of
controlling.
C
So
if
you
are
wanting
to
have
a
homestay
permit,
we
used
to
not
allow
the
property
owner
to
be.
You
know
it
had
to
be.
The
homestay
had
to
be
run
and
operated
by
the
full-time
resident
of
the
property.
So
if
you
had
a
tenant
and
the
tenant
wanted
to
run
a
home
stay,
you
could
do
that
with
the
property
owner's
permission.
Now,
we're
saying
if
you,
the
property
owner,
don't
live
on
the
property
that
has
a
home
stay,
you
must
be
a
co-applicant,
and
this
is
part
of
how
we
track
the
investment
properties.
C
So
it
allows
us
to
do
a
better
job
with
with
controlling
that
and
regulating
that,
but
it
has
an
added
benefit
that
it
now
allows
the
property
owner
to
participate
in
the
management
of
the
homestay.
Before
we
said
only
the
resident
manager,
it's
an
opportunity
for
the
resident
manager
or
that
tenant
to
run
a
home
stay.
Maybe
they
could
build
some
equity
so
that
they
could
be
a
property
owner
someday,
it's
not
for
the
property
owner
right,
but
that
was
problematic
for
a
number
of
reasons.
It
didn't
really
work
the
way
we
had
intended
it.
C
So
now
we're
saying
you
know
you
have
to
be
a
co-applicant
and
you
get
the
benefit
of
participating
or
working
with
your
tenant
on
managing
that
homestay.
So
we
found
that
there
were
a
lot
of
situations
where
property
owners
you
know,
maybe
they
would
manage
the
bookings,
but
the
tenant
was
there
to
greet
people
or
manage
any
issues
that
might
have
might
arise
when
they're
on
you
know
on
the
property
or
maybe
the
tenant
would
help
with
cleaning
the
unit
in
between
gas.
C
Things
like
that,
so
this
gives
those
that
the
tenant
and
the
property
owner
the
flexibility
to
work
out
whatever
arrangement
works
best
for
them.
We
also
recognize
that
this
typically
results
in
a
an
affordable
housing
situation
for
those
resident
managers.
So
for
the
folks
who
are
living
there,
they
they
usually
get
some
cut
of
the
action
either
they're
directly
managing
the
bookings
and
getting
some
of
that
revenue
or
they're
helping
with
cleaning
or
they
get
a
discount
on
their
rent.
Or
you
know
something
like
that.
C
So
there's
there's
some
usually
some
economic
benefit
to
those
individuals
and
then
the
other
substantive
change
that
we're
proposing
is
to
no
longer
allow
detached
accessory
structures
to
be
used
as
home
stays.
We
already
weren't
allowing
separate
dwelling
units,
so
these
were
more
like,
like
studio
spaces
that
maybe
had
a
bathroom,
but
otherwise
we're
just
sort
of
an
open
room.
But
there
were
these
detached
structures.
We
have
not
many
of
these,
maybe
a
dozen
or
so
in
the
city
that
were
converted
into
home
stays.
C
This
concerned
a
lot
of
or
concerned
a
number
of
the
council
members
and
some
of
our
affordable
housing
advocates
who
had
lobbied
for
relaxed
standards
or
expanded
standards
for
accessory
dwelling
units
many
years
ago,
and
that
was
for
the
purpose
of
building
housing.
So
there
were
a
number
of
folks
who
were
concerned
that
this
you
know
we.
It
was
a
little
bit
of
a
bait
and
switch
that
we
allowed
more
accessory
dwelling
units.
C
We
expanded
the
size
of
accessory
dwelling
units,
and
now
they
were
being
used
as
home
stays,
so
they
they
wanted
to
really
hold
the
line
there
and
not
allow
detached
accessory
structures
to
be
used
as
home
states.
So
that
is
included
in
this
proposed
amendment
as
well.
So
those
are
the
three
big
changes,
so
we
have
the
change
of
the
kitchen
definition.
C
C
The
there
were
a
number
of
other
little
minor
cleanup
things,
but
I
don't
believe
any
of
those
were
of
great
concern
to
anybody.
The
homestay
network
folks
supported
those
other
changes.
I
think
the
the
items
that
I've
identified
or
the
main
issues
were
the
main
changes
so
that
pretty
much
concludes
my
introduction.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
go
over
any
of
the
details
in
the
draft
ordinance.
If
you
would
like.
A
Shannon
I
was
curious
about
since
there's
flexibility
to
go
from
below
30
days
to
over
30
days,
like
a
longer
term
person.
How
does
that
work
with
the
adu
and
the
basement?
Because
I
know
I
don't
know
it
used
to
be.
You
know
an
adu
needed
like
all
this
fire
reading
between
it's
a
separate
dwelling.
C
C
C
All
of
that
you,
you
have
to
meet
these
building
code
requirements,
so
the
fire
separation
and
some
other
things
under
the
zoning
code
and
the
building.
You
know
the
building
code
allows
like
sort
of
these
mother-in-law,
suites
that
are
part
of
the
house,
they're
connected
to
the
house,
they're,
not
separated
by
fire
rated.
C
You
know
materials
and
you
know
they're
all
on
one
set
of
utilities
and
but
they're
they
can't
they
can
kind
of
function
like
a
separate
dwelling
unit
like
you
might
have
your
own
little
kitchen,
space
you'll
have
a
separate
bathroom.
C
You
might
even
have
a
separate
entrance
and
a
lot
of
the
daylighted
basements
sort
of
fit
that
in
asheville,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
those
in
asheville,
so
they
can
either
be
a
complete,
independent
dwelling
unit,
in
which
case
you
can't
have
a
home
stay
in
it
or
it
can
be
part
of
the
house
and
if
it's
part
of
the
house,
then
you
can
have
a
home
stay
in
it.
A
C
Well,
so
it
is
important
for
folks
to
know
that
these
do
get
reviewed
by
our
building
safety
staff
as
well,
so
it
does
get
kind
of
run
by
them.
If
there's
something
that
looks
a
little
unusual,
but.
C
The
the
the
definition
of
family
it
may
or
may
not
apply.
You
know
we.
We
allow
an
unlimited
number
of
folks
in
a
residential
structure
if
they're
all
family
members,
if
they're
related
by
blood
or
marriage,
but
we
also
allow
up
to
five
unrelated
individuals
in
the
structure,
and
that
also
is
complies
with
building
codes.
So
if
you're
a
resident
manager-
and
you
live
in
the
house
and
you
rent
the
accessory
space,
you
know
that
mother-in-law
suite
to
a
couple
people.
You
know
you're
fully
within
the
residential
and
building
code
parameters.
C
So
it
doesn't
really.
We
don't
really
have
problems
with
that.
So
it's
I
I
may
not
be
explaining
this
as
well
as
like,
as
I
could,
or
as
well
as
somebody
in
building
safety
might,
but
I
think
the
bottom
line
is
it
just
gives
people
the
maximum
amount
of
flexibility
is
really
what
we're
kind
of.
D
D
They
can
call
it
a
homestay
and
then
end
up
with
an
adu
without
doing
all
those
like
building
code
things
and
and
so,
and
because
my
understanding
is
like
if
there
is
a
connection
between
say
it's,
it's
the
daylight
basement
issue.
You
know
you
have
a
one
level
living
and
then
you
have
a
daylight
basement.
If
you
have
a
stair
there
that
attaches
it
and
makes
it
one
dwelling
unit,
you
get
rid
of
the
stair
and
it's
two
dwelling
units,
but
you
could
put
two
doors
at
the
top
and
lock
them,
and
you.
C
According
to
our
yeah,
so
according
to
our
building
safety
staff,
they
don't
have
to
be
connected
with
an
internal
stairway
like
because
this
came
up
early
in
the
homestay
process,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
and
same
with
the
the
detached
structure.
C
You
know
the
detached
studio
is
considered
part
of
that
single-family
home,
even
though
they're
not
physically
connected
so
as
long
as
they're
part
of
the
single-family
home,
they're,
they're,
basically
eligible
for
a
homestay
and
what
you're
describing
you
know,
kind
of
like
you,
almost
kind
of
describing
like
somebody
might
try
to
game
the
system.
Let
me
tell
you
they
do
I
mean
today
you
can
turn
your
basement
into
a
mother-in-law
suite
right
there,
it's
totally
compliant
with
building
code,
there's
nothing
to
prevent
that
from
happening.
C
So
today,
if
you
have
a
daylighted
basement,
you
can
add
that
kitchen,
add
the
bathroom
and
and
get
a
homestay
permit.
Yeah,
there's
there's
nothing
to
prevent
that
from
happening,
because
the
building
safety
staff
say
it's
part
of
the
house,
the
so
the
homes
the
zoning
staff
have
no
choice
but
to
allow
it.
The
only
difference
we're
making
in
in
this
whole
scenario
is
that
homestay
space
used
to
not
be
allowed
to
have
a
kitchen,
a.
D
Yeah
well,
and-
and
the
reason
I
bring
it
up
is
because
I
mean
I
was
working
with
a
contractor
earlier
this
year
on
a
project
and-
and
we
ran
into
this
this
similar
problem,
it
was
on
a
septic
system.
They
weren't
able
to
technically
get
a
separate
adu
and
the
idea
was
we
were
gonna.
It
had
been
two
floors
of
living.
D
You
know
we're
gonna,
take
out
the
stair
all
that
they
had
to
be
connected
so
that
it
wasn't
considered
two
dwelling
units
because
they
couldn't
do
two
dwelling
units
because
it
was
on
a
septic
system.
So-
and
I
have
this,
I've
had
conversation
with
building
safety
too
about
like
well.
How
do
you
make
it
an
adu?
Well,
it
has
to
be
completely
separated.
You
can't
have
an
80,
you
know
two
dwelling
units,
and
so
it
I
don't
know
it
just
yeah.
It
seems
like
this
is
a
really
slippery
slope.
I
mean
I
appreciate.
C
I
have
been
dealing
with
this
for
the
last.
You
know,
eight
years
or
however
long
that
we've
been
managing
homestays.
I
know
exactly
what
you're
talking
about,
but
it's
it's
really
just
like
kind
of
how
you
want
to
look
at
it.
So
we
we
think
about
home
stays
as
being
part
of
a
house
and
can't
have
a
separate
kitchen.
C
It
can't
be
a
separate
dwelling
unit,
but
really
they
functionally
can
operate
like
separate
dwelling
units,
and
you
can,
if
you
want
that
separate
dwelling
unit,
you
can
go
the
route
of
having
that
full
fire.
Rated
separation,
separate
entrance,
separate
utilities
and
have,
and
then
that's
a
dwelling
unit,
and
that
can
be
rented
long
term
or
you
can
have
them
be
a
roommate
and
you
can
sublease
that
mother-in-law
suite
to
that
individual
and
they
just
you
know,
maybe
they
have
access.
Maybe
they
don't
people
might
lock
doors.
We
have
no
way
of
regulating
that.
C
So
what
this
allows
us
to
do
is
actually
stop
them
from
doing
it.
They
just
get
the
one
they
get
to
pick
one
and
then
the
rest
are
not
eligible
for
homestay
permits
at
all.
Whether
you
have
a
resident
manager,
whether
you
live
there
or
not.
So.
D
C
G
Yeah
yeah
get
in
line,
I
have
yeah.
Is
it
my
understanding.
G
C
So
one
of
the
nice
things
about
the
homestay
permits
is
that
their
annual
permits,
so
you
have
to
renew
them,
and
you
have
to
demonstrate
that
you
comply
with
every
renewal,
so
we
will
so
as
these
come
in,
they
will
be
checking
them.
Once
these
standards
are
adopted,
then
they
will
start
to
check
all
of
the
renewals
and
so
within
a
year's
time.
The
idea
is
that
we
will
have
everybody
in
compliance.
D
C
Now
we
did
not
to
confuse
the
issue
more,
but
we
did
sort
of
grandfather
people
who
had
kitchens
before
we
adopted
this
definition,
but
that
has
to
do
with
definitions
and
the
ordinance
says
that
you
must
comply.
You
know
you
must
get
an
annual
permit
and
you
must
comply
with
these
standards,
meaning
the
homestay
standards,
not
the
definitions.
C
D
C
So,
that's
how
you
that's,
how
you
do
it
if
you
want
to
grandfather
them,
you
have
to
give
them
that
specific
exemption,
but
in
the
case
of
the
so
we
didn't
want
to-
and
we
only
had
like
about
a
dozen
or
so
so
it
wasn't
like
a
huge
number
of
non-conformities
that
we'd
be
creating.
C
So
if
now,
if
those
folks
stop
renting
for
some
reason,
then
that
non-conformity
status
goes
away
and
they
would
have
to
come
to
compliance
after
that.
So.
B
As
with
the
previous
case,
we
had
public
input
that
was
shared
with
the
commission
on
this
topic.
Also-
and
I
suppose
at
this
point,
if
we
have
anybody
on
the
line,
we
can
open
for
public
comment.
D
B
And
I
believe,
that's
the
last
item
on
our
agenda.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
december
17th
and
comments
can
be
made
on
the
website
the
city's
website.
The
address
I
mentioned
earlier.
C
So
normally
mid
months
are
four
o'clock,
but
we're
gonna
do
five
o'clock,
because
just
some
people
need
to
be
able
to
get
off
work
and.
C
Correct
and
what
else
I
was
going
to
remind
everybody
about
that
too.
So
thank
you
for
that.
C
And
any
comments,
if
we
receive
any
additional
comment
I'll
be
sure
to
forward
it
to
all
of
you
before
that
december.
17Th
meeting.
C
D
I
wasn't
sure
if
it
was
yesterday
or
if
it
was
next
tuesday.