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C
Okay
good
afternoon,
I'm
vice
chair
eakins,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
april
14
2021
historic
resources.
Commission
meeting
the
hrc
is
a
quasi-judicial
body
that
is
governed
by
north
carolina
general
statutes,
the
city
of
asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
buncombe
county
ordinance.
C
C
C
Themselves,
I'm
vice
chair
eakins,
commissioner
mercedes
hello,
commissioner
gardner.
E
F
C
C
I
think
the
name
of
the
applicant
o'neill,
I
think
after
the
apostrophe
it
should
be
an
upper
case
and
anybody
have
any
other
corrections.
B
I
I
E
C
C
The
hrc
must
make
its
decision
upon
competent
material
and
substantial
evidence
to
determine
the
facts
of
the
hearing.
The
hrc
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
the
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
The
commissioners,
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion
nor
susceptible,
not
susceptible
to
change.
C
C
If
you
will
be
speaking
as
a
witness,
please
focus
on
the
facts
and
how
they
relate
to
the
relevant
historic
district
standards
and
guidelines,
not
personal
preference
or
opinion
witnesses
must
swear
or
affirm
their
testimony.
At
this
time,
they'll
administer
the
oath
to
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
H
E,
yes,
this
is
attorney
ashley.
It
may
be
helpful
to
swear
in
as
we
go
along
per
matter,
so
anyone
to
speak
on
that
particular
matter
and
swear
them
in
and
then
thereafter
we
can
because
we
have
quite
an
agenda
tonight.
So
if
we
were
to
swear
everyone
in
it
might
be
helpful
to
go
one
matter
at
a
time.
C
Okay,
so
the
the
first
matter
is
141
cumberland
avenue.
C
I
should
point
out
that
holding
this
meeting
virtually
under
session
law
2020-3,
which
was
passed
as
part
of
the
state's
emergency
pandemic
declaration,
that
all
interested
parties
must
be
given
notice
and
consent
to
the
remote
meeting
and
interested
parties
may
object
to
holding
the
meeting
remotely.
C
J
Myself
vice
chair,
eakins
alex
you'll.
I
need
to
be
sworn
in
and
then
we'll
have
to
swear
in
any
callers
as
they
call
in
they're
not
actually
present
in
the
google
meet.
C
Okay,
so
let's
see
so
that's
ms
stevens
going
to
miss
cole,
do
you
call
him?
I
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is,
will
be
truthful
and
accurate
to
the
best
of
your
ability.
K
I
H
Mr
eakins,
yes,
it's
attorney.
Ashley
again,
we've
been
made
aware
that
there
are
interested
parties.
H
People
who
have
standing
neighbors
have
emailed
that
they
may
object
to
this
being
heard
as
a
remote
meeting,
and
so
I
would
advise
that
we
start
with
just
the
procedural
question
before
the
applicant
goes
into
the
presentation
on
the
subdivision
to
see
if
we
are
able
to
move
forward
with
a
remote
hearing.
So,
okay.
C
And
council:
it's
your
opinion
that
any
objection
to
holding
the
meeting
remotely
may
not
be
made
by
email
but
must
be
made
at
the
virtual
meeting.
C
Okay,
is
there
anybody
on
the
line
to
or
otherwise
present
to,
who
is
an
interested
party?
Who
wishes
to
speak
to
the
procedural
question.
A
Mr
chair,
we
have
five
callers
in
the
queue
and
I
will
bring
in
the
first
caller
now.
C
C
L
L
This
proposed
subdivision
of
141
cumberland
avenue
is
controversial.
L
I
and
many
of
our
neighbors
have
issues
with
the
subdivision
as
presented
and
feel
that
a
project
that
generates
such
strong
feelings
should
not
be
in
the
zoom
format.
L
I
think
this
should
be
postponed
and
so
to
our
neighbors
until
you
have
a
live
meeting
which
I
assume
will
be
next
month
or
june,
given
the
progress
of
the
vaccination
program,
the
program,
I
have
many
comments
on
this
subdivision,
but
I
would
prefer
to
make
them
in
person,
as
would
by
neighbors.
So
I
respectfully
request
that
this
item
be
postponed
until
such
time
as
you
resume
live
meetings.
C
Mr
stanley,
thank
you.
Could
you
please
remind
me
why
you're
an
interested
party?
Do
you
live
next
door
to
this
property
or
whatever.
L
I
live
opposite.
I
live
caddy
corner
within
within
us
within
a
pitching
wedge
of
the.
C
C
Yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
for
making
your
views
known
on
the
procedural
aspect
of
this.
Is
there
another
caller.
H
C
Mickey
mono
where's
182
cumberland
in
connection
to
this,
the
property
subject
to
the
application.
A
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair,
we
disconnected
ms
yamato
after
you
asked
for
the
next
caller.
C
Okay,
well,
we
know
she's
at
182
cumberland,
and
we
can
relate
that
to
the
property
being
some
that's
subject
to
the
application
who's.
The
next
caller.
C
Okay,
mr
heart,
hang
on.
Please
I
need
to
swear
you
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
the
truth
and
accurate
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge.
N
N
N
O
C
C
Six
cumberland:
do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth
and
accurate
to
the
best
of
your
ability.
C
And
your
address
is
what
again
and
what.
And
where
is
that
in
relation
to
141
cumberland.
C
Okay,
what's
your
contribution
to
the
subject
of
whether
this
meeting
should
be
held
virtually
or
not,.
M
C
Hi,
miss
brown,
would
you
please
just
let
us
where
you?
When
do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
the
truth,
an
actor
to
the
extent
of
your
knowledge
and
ability?
Yes,
I
do,
and
you
are
an
interested
party,
because
the
where
you
live,
I
assume
yeah.
I.
O
O
C
Wish
to
contribute
to
the
discussion
of
whether
the
meeting
should
be
held
virtually
or
not.
A
K
K
Okay
hi,
my
name
is
rachel
reese.
I
live
right
at
180.
C
Yeah,
I
just
need
to
swear
you
in.
Do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
will
be
the
truth
and
accurate
to
the
extent
of
your
knowledge,
I
do
okay
and
you
were
stating
your
address,
which
I
assume
will
establish
that
you
are
an
interested
party.
You'll.
Tell
me
where
that
address
is
in
relation
to
the
property
subject
to
the
application.
K
Okay,
I
live
at
188
flint
street.
It
is
directly
across
the
alley,
along
short
magnolia
across
the
back
of
the
apartment,
the
property
141.
C
Okay,
what
is
your
position
as
to
whether
the
meetings
the
application
should
be
considered
virtually
or
in
person.
K
C
Okay,
council,
where
do
we
proceed
from
here?
I
would
assume
that
the
objections
stand
on
their
own
and
the.
P
Llc-
and
we
do
understand
that
the
community
has
concerned
concerns,
as
often
appears
with
any
kind
of
change,
and
we
plan
to
reach
out
and
offer
opportunities
to
learn
more
about
the
project
and
to
answer
any
questions
and
concerns.
Folks
may
have
so
they
feel
more
comfortable
about
the
review
of
the
project
in
a
virtual
setting.
P
We'd
like
to
do
that
because
we,
you
know,
although
comments
were
made,
that
this
may
be
next
month
or
the
following
month.
We
actually
have
no
kind
of
concrete
idea
of
when
a
hybrid
model
or
in-person
format
will
be
a
viable
option.
P
So
we're
just
trying
to
do
a
little
bit
of
community
outreach
to
to
help
folks
feel
a
little
more
comfortable
and,
as
I
said,
just
answer
any
questions
and
concerns.
C
G
Yeah,
it's
benjamin
mitchell
just
wanted
to
put
it
on
the
record
that
I
have
a
pre-existing
relationship
with
ms
stevenson.
It
will
not
affect
my
objectivity
to
the
extent
I'm
asked
to
render
some
sort
of
decision
here.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
mitchell.
Ms
ashley,
do
we
at
this
point
simply.
C
H
We
do
require
a
vote,
but
I
do
need
to
advise
you
that,
because
of
the
session
law
2020-33,
which
you
mentioned,
mr
eakins
it
it
does
require
that
in
quasi-judicial
hearings
that
are
held
remotely
require
the
consent
of
all
parties
with
standing
and
those
parties
also
have
to
have
notice.
H
So,
in
light
of
that
to
comply
with
the
law,
I
cannot
advise
you
to
move
forward
with
this
matter
and
instead
you
would
have
to
adjourn
it
to
such
time
that
we
can
have
an
in-person
hearing
which,
as
the
applicant
stated,
we
do
not
know
the
city
has
yet
to
have
any
in-person
quasi-judicial
hearings.
H
We
have
not
had
one
in
more
than
a
year
or
as
we
could
also
continue
it
or
reconvene
it
if
the
parties
come
to
the
conclusion
that
having
this
in
a
remote
format
is
acceptable,
so
that
would
be
my
recommendation
to
you
to
adjourn
it
until
one
of
those
two
scenarios
can
occur.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you,
ms
ashley
commissioners.
Is
there
any
discussion?
If
not,
is
there
a
motion
to
recess
the
application
for
141
cumberland
avenue
until
such
time
as
the
meeting
may
be
held
in
an
in-person
format
or
in
such
a
format,
including
virtual
format,
as
the
parties
may
agree.
G
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
I
take
it
as
true,
and
someone
says
they're
directly
adjacent
that
they
are
an
interested
party.
I
haven't
looked
at
the
definition
of
that
janice,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
someone
who
does
not
share
a
boundary
with
this
subject-
property
may
not
be
a
an
interested
party.
H
C
Okay,
the
motion
has
been
made
and
seconded.
I
will
now
call
the
role
commissioner,
mercedes.
A
I
G
C
C
We
will
now
consider
the
application,
which
was
continued
from
our
march
10th
meeting
for
ten
biltmore
plaza
is
the
applicant
or
her
representative
present
and
thank
you
and
we
will
need
to
swear
you
in
so
present.
We've
got
to
be
sworn
in.
We've
got
emily
mcmahon,
correct
me.
If
I
must
pronounce
your
name
and
sherry
caggiola.
C
G
Mitchell
again,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt.
I
did
last
month,
I
need
to
recuse
myself
from
this
matter.
Miss
caggiola
is
under
my
direct
supervision
as
a
real
estate
agent.
C
Okay,
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor.
That's
been
seconded,
we'll
call
the
roll
commissioner
mercedes
aye,
mr
gardner
aye,
mr
hornaday.
E
C
Mr
mitchell,
oh
no
you're
accused
commissioner
spring
aye.
Mr
west
aye,
mr
bond
aye
aye.
Terry
comes
aye.
Okay.
Let
me
proceed
to
swear
on
the
two
applicants.
You
us
were
affirmed
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth
and
accurate
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge
and
ability.
I
J
J
We
did
look
at
it
last
month
since
the
initial
submittal
there
have
been
some
several
revisions
to
this
project,
so
hopefully
we're
in
a
better
place
today.
So
the
main
change
to
the
application
is,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
the
renderings
that
the
proposal
has
they've
removed
the
garage
doors
from
the
proposal
and
are
now
just
proposing
a
simple
shed
roof
that
will
attach
to
the
existing
hip
roof
that
wraps
the
building.
J
J
But
if
you
have
your
packet
open,
you
can
probably
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
but
currently
there's
a
grass
lawn,
that
is
between
the
the
sidewalk
and
the
inter
internal
walkway
within
the
the
site,
so
they're
using
that
area.
Right
now
for
informal
dining,
you
know
to
accommodate
more
more
tables
during
the
pandemic,
so
they're
proposing
to
to
more
formalize
that
patio
and
pave
it
with
stamped
concrete
papers
so
per
my
feedback,
they've
added
or
well.
J
The
only
issue
that
I
have
noted
just
added
it
if
this
is
an
image
of
the
paving
that
they
want
to
use-
and
I
may
not
have
included
it
in
my
slides,
but
at
the
very
bottom
of
the
of
the
the
patio
where
it's
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk
facing
brook
street.
There
is
a
little
low
retaining
wall
that
wraps
the
site.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
find
a
helpful
image,
so
they
are
proposing
a
railing
along
the
wall.
There.
R
E
J
O
R
In
lieu
of
the
railing
for
like
liquor
license
reason,
you
have
to
have
it
like
a
separate
set
area
so
that
that'll
give
us
our
like
boundaries
of
where
everything's.
J
J
To
me,
this
is
very
different
than
if
we
were
considering
the
cottage
area
where
the
yards
are
more
part
of
like
the
residential
style
feeling
of
the
district
versus
here,
where
it
is
more
kind
of
like
has
more
of
an
urban
quality.
More
urban
and
commercial
quality
and
and
its
guidelines
do
say
that
landscaping
around
paved
areas
is,
is
what
is
encouraged
as
well
as
using
decorative
paving
materials.
So
they've
checked
both
of
those
boxes.
J
The
only
other
thing
that
I've
noted
in
my
staff
report-
and
it's
it's
difficult
to
see
here,
but
in
the
in
the
gable
end,
the
half
cable
end
that's
exposed
on
the
new
shed
roof
they're
leaving
that
open.
I
noted
that
as
a
concern.
Just
it's
not
something
I
think
is
you
know
a
deal
breaker
by
any
means.
I
just
wanted
to
note
it
to
the
commission
that
it's
sort
of
in
some
way
appears
maybe
less
finished,
and
I
would
be
you
know,
interested
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
that.
J
R
R
E
R
But
it's
covered
in,
and
then
it
just
has
siding
on
it.
Okay
and
that
same
detail
is
perfectly
acceptable
there
as
well.
J
R
J
R
One
other
thing
that
we
moved
the
stairs
over
and
reduced
the
size
of
it
per
y'all's
request.
It
got
shifted
over
one
base
and
then
because
we
don't
have
the
garage
doors,
we
didn't
need
the
five
foot
landing
anymore,
so
I
could
bring
those
in
five
feet,
so
it
greatly
reduced
the
size
of
them
also,
and
we
got
rid
of
now.
They
just
have
a
handrail
and
guard
rail,
that's
just
wood
and
matches,
so
they
they
are
much
smaller
in
scale
now,
but.
J
C
Commissioners,
are
there
any
questions
for
ms
cole.
C
Okay,
we'll
now
open
the
floor
for
public
comments.
Have
we
got
any
members
of
the
public.
C
Okay,
that
being
the
case,
we'll
close
the
four
for
public
comment.
Any
discussion
by
commissioners.
O
N
Q
Could
you
hear
that
was
my
sound
on.
B
Actually,
my
audio
is
off.
Go
ahead,
emily.
Q
I'm
not
scrolling
through
the
documents,
but
I'm
trying
to
find
okay
here
it
is
vice
chairman,
based
on
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
photographs
and
plans.
Eight
pages
exhibit
b
landscaping
plan
received
february
24,
2021,
exhibit
c
revised
drawings
and
plans.
Three
pages
received
march
1st
2021,
exhibit
d
section
detail
received
march
3rd
2021,
exhibit
e
revised
drawings
and
plans
10
pages
received
march
24th
2021.
Q
And
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one,
that
the
application
is
to
construct
new
section
of
shed
roof
over
western
portion
of
existing
patio
shed
roof
will
be
finished,
with
gaf
timberline
asphalt,
shingles
and
hickory
color
and
will
be
tied
to
existing
hip
roof.
That
extends
around
the
front.
Elevation
of
the
building
new
section
of
roof
will
be
supported
by
six
by
six
painted
wood
posts.
Matching
the
existing
half
gable
will
be
finished
with.
J
Q
I
would
I
would
say,
as
shown
in
in
drawings,
repair
existing
concrete
flooring
surface
on
upper
patio
construct,
new
red
brick
stairway
extending
from
the
upper
level
patio
into
a
new
decorative
stamped
concrete
patio
in
front
of
the
building.
Stairway
handrail
will
match
existing
handrails
on
upper
patio.
Existing
concrete
walkway
will
be
removed
to
construct
new
patio
in
front
of
building.
Putty
will
be
screened
with
landscaping,
remove
existing
shrubs
at
base
of
upper
patio,
install
a
french
drain
and
reinstall
the
landscaping
rebuild.
Q
J
Q
Okay,
adopted
on
october
1st
1988
and
no
amendment
were
okay.
We're
used
to
evaluate
this
request
number
three.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
guidelines
for
the
following
reasons:
a
the
subject:
building
is
non-contributing.
Building
in
the
district
b,
the
new
shed
roof
covering
will
not
hinder
the
ability
to
interpret
the
design
character
of
the
historic
period
of
biltmore
village,
see
the
new
shed
roof
covering
will
be
located
on
the
side
elevation
and
will
not
obscure
or
damage
significant
ornament
or
detail
d.
Q
E
new
trees
will
be
consistent
with
the
biltmore
village
landscape
plan
in
terms
of
species
and
placement
number
four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
biltmore
village.
Historic
district
based
upon
the
foregoing,
finale.
C
Hang
on
just
for
a
second
sorry,
second
vaughn,
okay,
I'll
call
the
roll
commissioner
mercedes
aye,
commissioner
gardner
hi,
mr
hornaday.
E
C
Commissioner
sprang.
B
B
F
J
Thank
you.
So
this
is
the
also
the
second
go
around
for
for
this
application.
They
have
made
some
changes
based
on
the
feedback
from
the
last
hearing.
The
main
change.
You'll
notice
is
the
front
elevation
they
addressed.
They
changed
the
fenestration
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
noted
before
so
I
think
it's
a
more
simplified
design
that
does
help
it
appear
more
as
a
front
elevation
versus
a
side
elevation.
J
I
did
note
it's
just
a
question
mark
to
the
applicant
the
material
around
the
window
here.
I
believe
that
I
got
an.
I
got
a
note
from
the
architect
earlier
today
that
it
was
anticipated
to
be
submit
panels
just
articulate
the
corner
windows
as
unique,
but
he
said
that
they
they
may
look
at
wrapping
them
with
shake
siding.
So
that
was
just
something
I
wanted
to
point
out
as
something
a
little
different
than
than
what
we've
seen
on
on
new
construction
applications
in
the
past.
J
J
Primarily
because,
as
we
pointed
out
at
the
last
meeting,
having
pedestrian
doors
on
the
second
story
definitely
makes
that
present
more
like
a
second
story
or
two-story
structure,
so
that
is
still
I
just
wanted
to
leave
that
conversation
open.
J
J
I
don't
think
last
time
we
were
more
so
talking
more
generally
about
the
front
elevation
of
the
primary
structure
and
whether
or
not
the
accessory
structure
presented
as
a
two-story
structure,
and
otherwise
mr
mcdonough
sent
me
a
list
today
of
some
some
details
that
I
just
needed
to
get
ironed
out
so,
and
I
also
got
an
email
from
the
property
owner
earlier
today
that
they
that
their
contractor
would
be
emailing
me
all
the
outstanding
items
that
I've
listed
in
terms
of
specifications
for
doors,
mechanical
unit,
patio,
material,
etc.
J
So
those
are
all
things
that
you
know
are
not
atypical
for
staff
to
review
after
the
approval,
so
those
are
all
things
I've
just
listed
out,
so
I
don't
think
that
I
have
any
other
questions
or
concerns
or
thoughts
to
share
with
you
all.
But
I'm
happy
to
answer
your
questions.
If
you
have
any.
J
I
don't
think
so,
you'll
be
able
to
see
it
like
just
a
little
bit
sticking
out
the
side
here,
obviously
from
from
the
from
the
primary
structure,
but-
and
I
I
didn't
put
a
site
plan
in
here
since
we
didn't
there-
weren't
really
any
issues
around
that
last
go-around,
but
I
can
pull
it
up.
It's
pretty
far
except
pretty
far
back
from
the
street,
and
this
is
this
lot
has
a
lot
of
mature
trees
on
it.
So
it
really,
it
wouldn't
be
very
visible
if
it
were
visible
at
all.
S
Thank
you.
That's
what
I
was
wondering
on
that
adu,
because
I
went
by
the
one
on
cumberland
and
chestnut
which
the
a
new
build,
which
does
that
adu
in
the
back.
You
know
which
one
I'm
talking
about
that
long,
skinny
lot.
J
E
J
To
me,
I
don't,
even
if
it
were
completely
off
to
the
side.
I
don't
think
that
would
be
a
challenge
and
and
from
a
height
perspective,
I
think
it's
similar
to
other
accessory
structures
we've
approved,
so
it
was
just
it's
just
the
design
hadn't
really
changed,
and
that
was
something
that
in
particular
chair
kite
who's.
Not
here
today
had
talked
about
there.
J
Wasn't
a
lot
of
people
were
kind
of
quiet
at
the
last
meeting
in
the
discussion,
so
it
was
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
her
giving
comments
so
anyways
just
just
sharing.
That
is
something
that
that
the
design
hasn't
really
changed.
That
much
with
the
exception
of
the
the
removing
one
of
the
dormers
from
the
last
go-around.
So.
C
Yeah,
we'll
need
to
swear
you
in.
Are
there
other
people
speaking
for
the
application.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
swear
the
three
of
you
in
and
then
you
can
make
your
presentation.
Do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth
and
accurate
to
the
best
of
your
ability.
T
T
Okay,
it
sounds
like
I'm
not
really
sure
how
to
attack
this,
but
I
think
alex
you
brought
up
the
believe.
The
scale
of
the
adu
is
within
the
intention
of
the
guidelines.
It's
the
guidelines
are
written
to
provide
a
hierarchy
between
the
primary
structure
and
the
secondary
structure,
and
I
believe
we
have
that
just
as
a
reminder.
T
We
recessed
the
we
stepped
the
the
lower
level
of
the
adu
down
about
16
inches
from
the
main
floor
of
the
house,
so
it's
set
below
the
house
and
there's
only
an
eight
foot
ceiling
in
the
garage
there's
a
shallow
floor
system,
because
it's
in
only
a
one
bay,
wide
garage
and
the
plate
that
holds
up
the
rafters
on
the
second
floor
is
at
four
foot
one.
T
So
I
believe
that
kind
of
meets
all
the
definitions
of
a
one
and
a
half
story
and
the
side
elevation
that
you're,
looking
at
right
now
kind
of
to
me
shows
the
hierarchy,
which
is
what
I
believe
the
design
guidelines
were
intended
for
us
to
meet.
There
was
some
discussion
about
doors.
T
On
the
exterior
on
the
upper
floor,
we
chose
to
put
the
stair
on
the
outside
of
the
building,
which
is
a
good
way
to
reduce
the
scale
of
the
adu.
If
we
were
to
move
the
access
to
the
upper
floor
within
the
adu,
obviously
the
adu
would
get
bigger,
which
is
contrary
to
what
the
guidelines
are
wanting
us
to
do.
T
And
obviously,
if
you
have
an
exterior
stair,
you
gotta
have
an
exterior
door,
so
we
are
left
with
an
exterior
door
on
one
side
that
I
don't
believe
anyone
other
than
the
residents
can
see.
T
T
I
I
wasn't
really
clear
what
the
exact
concerns
were,
but
in
keeping
with
kind
of
a
victorian
corner
porch
we
increased
the
pitch
of
the
that
corner,
screen,
porch
and
kind
of
articulated
it
more
as
its
own
little
corner
porch
and
the
lower
slope.
Three
and
twelve
roof
kind
of
flows
around
from
the
front
to
the
to
that
porch.
T
So
I
believe
that
was
maybe
what
y'all
were
looking
for,
and
I
can't
think
of
any
other
issues
that
we
felt
like
we
really
had
to
attack.
T
Michael,
this
is
a
couple
more
things:
we
there
was
a
roof
that
connected
the
house
to
the
garage
and
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
how
that
kind
of
muddied
the
waters
between
primary
and
secondary
structure.
So
we
removed
that
roof
and
there
was
also
kind
of
a
fence
wall.
We
called
it
a
fence.
It
was
more
like
a
wall
that
created
some
enclosure
for
that
rear
courtyard.
Q
Q
Yeah
this
is
commissioner,
sprang
question
for
you,
michael
so,
first
off,
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
looks
like
it
addresses
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
last
time.
I
think
the
front
with
with
your
rows
of
windows,
you've
really
addressed
that
well
and
breaking
that
up,
I,
I
think,
has
had
the
effect
that
we
wanted
it
to
also
regarding
the
accessory
structure.
Q
I
do
agree
with
alex
that
the
scale
looks
appropriate
and
is
scaled
well
in
relationship
to
to
the
primary
structure.
I
do
still
have
that
concern
about
the
the
stairwell
wrapping
and
the
second
story
door.
Last
time
we
had
mentioned
possibly
trying
to
find
some
other
examples
or
precedent
of
an
accessory
structure
that
has
that
same
type
of
upper
level
exterior
door.
I
was
just
curious
to
see
if,
if
you
had
happened
to
find
any
of
those.
T
Well,
I
believe
I
was
asked
to
look
for
examples
not
from
the
period
of
significance,
but
from
the
period
at
which
the
guidelines
were
amended.
I
think
in
2014
or
15
that
were
approved
by
this
body,
and
I
don't
really
know
how
I
go
about.
T
I
found
plenty
of
examples
of
doors
on
second
floors,
but
they
were
from
the
period
of
significance
not
since
the
guidelines
were
amended,
and
I
could
not
find
anything
in
the
guidelines
that
actually
talked
about
whether
a
second
story
door
in
an
adu
was
appropriate
or
not
or
allowed
or
not.
So
I'm
not.
T
Q
Yeah,
I
think
the
concern
from
the
last
meeting
was
that
having
an
upper
level
door,
it
makes
you
think
of
it
as
more
of
a
two-story
than
a
one
and
a
half,
but
alex
do
you?
Do
you
have
any
input
on
on
that
particular
pr?
The
precedent
of
second
story,
doors.
J
I
I
have
no
idea
how
many
structures
there
are
that
may
or
may
not.
You
know
that
may
have
second
story
doors
a
lot
of
times.
What
folks
do
for
that
type
of
question
is
they'll,
find
examples
and
then
supply
them
with
the
addresses,
because,
without
that,
we
can't
look
at
our
file
to
see
if
there
was
something
that
the
hrc
approved
or
not.
J
J
J
But
if
you,
if
you
want
to
know
michael
if
there
are
any
examples
that
we
were
as
we
described
last
time
that
have
occurred
within
the
last
five
or
six
years
since
the
guidelines
were
amended,
you
know
if
you
wanted
to
provide
those
with
the
addresses.
We
can
certainly
try
to
look
in
our
files
to
see
what
information
we
have.
J
J
Yeah,
I
think
that
they're,
if
they're,
if
there
were
any
you,
know
historically
larger
ones,
they
were
more
babes
than
they
were
taller.
T
Well
might
add
that
I
think
we're
getting
hung
up
on
something.
That's
not
in
the
guidelines.
I
think
the
one
and
a
half
story
is
about
the
scale
it's
about
keeping
the
roof
volume
secondary
to
the
primary
structure.
I
don't,
I
think,
if
there
was
concern
about
the
appearance
of
the
second
floor
being
habitable,
it
should
have
been
in
the
guidelines.
I
think
one
can
make
the
argument
that
there
are
plenty
of
upper
levels
of
adus
that
are
habitable
and
they
may
have
large
windows.
They
may
have
doors,
they
may
have
balconies.
It's
not.
J
J
Here's
the
image
I
was
thinking
of
not
related
to
this
project,
but
there
there
is
an
image
of
a
of
a
of
a
historic
accessory
building
that
was
as
stable.
So
not
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
here,
but
there
are
doors
on
this
upper
level.
T
Well,
I
guess
my
point
is:
is
that
where,
in
the
guidelines
regarding
carriage
house
garages
and
accessory
structures,
is
there
any
language
about
trying
to
avoid
the
appearance
of
being
able
to
walk
through
an
opening
from
that
upper
floor
to
the
outside,
which
is
what
this
conversation
seems
to
be
about?
No.
J
T
Well,
what
I'm
saying
is:
if,
if
we
keep
the
stairs
on
the
outside,
you
gotta
have
a
door
outside.
If
we
move
the
stairs
inside,
then
we
increase
the
scale
of
the
adu,
which
is
clearly
what
the
guidelines
are.
Not
wanting
us
to
do.
So,
I
think
we're
taking
a
nuance.
That's
that's,
maybe
not
in
the
guidelines
and
pushing
us
towards
a
design
strategy
that
conflicts
with
what
is
clearly
in
the
design
guidelines.
B
T
Well,
it's
a
one-bay
garage.
So
in
order
to
park
a
car
and
fit
a
stair,
we'd
have
to
widen
it
a
little
bit.
But
but
again,
I'm
just
saying
that
item
number
six
in
the
guidelines
where
it
does
talk
about
one
and
a
half
stories
is
in
the
same
paragraph
it's
talking
about
thirty
percent
of
the
scale.
So
it's
in
my
opinion,
it's
all
about
the
scale
and
whether
or
not
there's
a
door
on
the
outside
of
the
upper
floor.
Q
T
Going
back
going
back
to
the
example
on
the
corner
of
cumberland
and
chestnut,
if
you
all
have
seen
that
the
the
massing
of
that
accessory
structure
is
there,
and
that
is
clearly
not
in
keeping
with
the
history
of
montford.
That
is
clearly
a
separate
dwelling.
T
So
if
the
guidelines
are
written
to
create
a
hierarchy
between
a
primary
structure,
that
is,
that
is
the
owner's
residence
and
a
secondary
structure
that
is
for
a
carriage
or
a
car,
with
storage
or
sleeping
space.
Above
it's
all
about
the
scale,
and
so
I
would
argue
that
this,
this
accessory
structure
is
much
smaller,
whether
it
has
an
upper
story
door
or
not
than
the
one
that
was
improved.
That's
under
construction.
Q
When
I
don't,
I
don't
have
any
concern
about
the
hierarchy
here.
I
think
that
you've
accomplished
that
really
well,
I
like
the
scale
of
the
building,
and
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
the
home
for
me
personally,
it's
just
or
professionally
I'd
say
it's.
It's
just
more
about
the
design
of
a
wrapping.
Stairwell
doesn't
seem
like
something
that
would
fit
toward
the
period
of
significance,
but
do
any
of
the
other
commissioners
have
an
opinion.
B
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
quick
question
alex.
I
don't
know
how
much
within
earshot
you
were.
Mr
mcdonough
brought
up
a
property
that
he
says
clearly
has
mr
mcdonough.
Maybe
you
could
repeat
your
point
about
that
property.
You
said
that
is
clearly
looks
like
a
a
a
residence.
Even
though
it's
supposed
to
be
accessory
structure,
and
it's
it's
too
big.
My
point,
my
question
was
going
to
be:
is
that
one
that
was
done
pre
or
post
the
the
design
guidelines.
T
It's
under
construction
right
now,
it's
that
lot
on
the
corner
of
chestnut
and
cumberland.
That
was
proposed
to
be
subdivided
and
it
was
recombined.
It's
on
the
northwest
corner
of
cumberland
chestnut.
T
T
Well,
what
I'm
saying
is
the
guidelines?
Don't
talk
about
exterior
stairs,
they
don't
talk
about
exterior
doors,
they
talk
about
scale,
and
so
our
goal
was
to
minimize
the
scale
of
the
accessory
structure,
because
that's
what
the
guidelines
are
focused
on,
whereas
the
project
on
the
corner,
cumberland
chestnut
they
put
the
stairs
inside
and
therefore
this
the
accessory
unit
is
much
bigger
and
to
me
it
comes
off
as
being
a
second
primary
structure
rather
than
a
secondary
structure.
So.
B
T
So
again,
I'm
just
asking
where,
in
the
guidelines
is
there
any
discussion
about
whether
an
exterior
stair,
either
on
the
primary
structure
or
on
the
secondary
structure,
is
something
that
the
guidelines
are
intending
to
discuss?
Well.
J
Michael,
I
think
you
have
to
consider
that
when
we're
reviewing
major
work,
applications
or
any
application
for
that
matter,
we're
looking
at
all
all
elements
of
design,
not
just
you
know,
siding
or
a
chimney
or
whatever
it's
it's.
It's
the
cohesive
elements
that
make
up
a
building
that
we're
looking
at.
So
the
stair
is
part
of
the
conversation,
as
are
the
doors,
and
there
are
guidelines
specifically
related
to
the
doors
to
fenestration,
as
I
noted
so,
and
I'm
not
saying
the
doors
of
themselves
are
an
issue.
J
It
just
relates
back
to
the
building
appearing
as
two
stories
versus.
If
you
had
windows
there,
it
would
appear
as
a
half
stew
more
as
a
half
story
in
some
of
our
opinion.
I
don't
know
if
everyone
here
agrees
with
that,
but
that
is
the
point
we're
trying
to
make,
so
we
don't
have
to
argue
it
to
death,
but
or
if
there
are
other
commissioners
that
have
do,
you
have
opinions
that
you
want
to
share
that
might
help.
B
Sorry
alex,
I
do
have
one
question
that
will
help
inform
at
least
my
decision
to
what
extent
if
we
approve
this,
are
we
setting
a
precedent
where
other
applicants
can
come
and
point
to
this
project
and
say
you?
Let
them
do
an
exterior
staircase
with
a
second
story
entrance.
Would
we
then
suddenly
be
compelled
to
do
that
in
others
where
it
is
either
either
dicier
or
even
more
clear-cut
that
it
shouldn't
be
allowed,
but
that
we've
got
this
as
a
precedent.
J
Yes,
I
think,
that's
true
for
to
a
large
degree
any
decision
that
is
might
be
that
you
that
you
make
is
setting
a
precedent
to
some
degree.
I
will
say,
though,
that
every
every
building
design
is
different
in
some
way,
so
it's
obviously
possible
that
if
there
were
another
one
where
they
came
in
with
doors
on
the
second
story,
it
might
be.
You
know
far
more
clear
that
it
was.
You
know
a
two-story
building
versus
a
one-story
building.
J
T
J
T
Just
the
basic
terminology,
a
one
and
a
half
story
building
suggests
that
there's
an
upper
floor
that
is
habitable,
otherwise
it
would
be
a
one-story
building
and
that
the
that
specific
language
which
I
actually
helped.
I
was
involved
in
the
whole
amendment
to
these
guidelines
in
in
response
to
a
project
on
flint
street.
The
whole
goal
was
to
keep
the
scale
of
the
accessory
units
from
overpowering
the
scale
of
the
primary
dwelling.
T
S
I
think
that
the
building
is
blocked,
the
adu
is
blocked
by
the
primary
residence
and
the
oh
and
same
as
last
month,
taking
out
an
original
window
on
the
back
of
a
house
on.
Well,
I
don't
remember
the
street,
but
within
a
block
of
this,
that
large
house,
this
is
only
going
to
be
seen
by
the
property
owners.
Is
that
and
with
the
dark
color.
S
I
think
it's
going
to
melt
away
and
I'm
have
no
problem
with
having
access
from
outside
versus
an
internal
staircase,
and
I
think
the
small
scale
and
being
totally
enveloped
by
the
primary
structure
makes
this
a
point
of
someone
in
the
backyard
and
if
new
construction
should
pr
should
differentiate
from
historic
buildings
in
the
district,
but
number
six
on
new
construction,
how
it
should
differentiate
from
historic
buildings
but
be
compatible.
S
Is
is
hidden
by
the
main
structure
and
I
wouldn't
like
to
see
the
building
get
larger
to
accommodate
an
internal
staircase
and
I
think
it
it
works.
That's
all
right.
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
commissioner
hornaday
and
you
know
I
think,
focusing
on
mr
mcdonough's
point
that
the
roof
doesn't
cover
this
stairway,
I'm
reminded
of
the
sentence
and
on
decks
where
it
says
decks
are
essentially
uncovered
porches,
which
is
somewhat
analogous.
That
says,
locate
decks
in
inconspicuous
areas,
and
I
think
this
is
sufficiently
inconspicuous
so
that
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
bother
me.
B
So
long
as
this
doesn't
create
a
precedent
and
that
we
still
have
the
ability
to
be
able
to
say
in
future,
you
can
see
this
from
the
street.
This
does,
you
know,
feel
distinctly
more
like
a
two-story,
I
I
agree.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
creating
problems
for
ourselves
down
the
road.
C
Yeah,
this
is
not
a
body
that
follows
story
decisis,
so
you
know
we
aren't
bound
by
precedent,
but
I
think
just
the
discussion
tonight
does
make
it
clear
that
you
know
we
will
often
ask
applicants.
Can
you
find
something
else
in
period
x?
That
is
is
similar,
so
we
will
be
influenced
by
it.
But
it's
not
binding
precedent.
T
Well,
I'll
just
remind
you
that
there
are
plenty
of
examples,
but
the
fact
that
the
only
examples
we
could
use
and
present
are
examples
that
were
reviewed
and
approved
since
the
rewording
of
the
guidelines
regarding
carriage
houses
made
it
kind
of
an
impossible
challenge.
I
mean
my
property,
I'm
looking
out
the
window.
I
have
a
two-story
adu
with
a
deck
and
a
door,
and
there
are
plenty
of
examples
so.
C
Q
Q
So
like,
like
commissioner
hornaday,
was
saying
the
fact
that
this
property
conceals
that
accessory
structure.
I
think
that
does
help
the
case,
but
I'm
also
concerned
about
you
know
setting
the
precedent
for
a
project
that
may
have
a
very
visible
accessory
structure
and
you
know
a
wraparound
staircase.
I
mean
my
my
concern.
Q
You
know
it
is
what
it
is.
It's
not
not
going
away,
but
I
would
be
interested
to
hear
if
any
other
commissioners
had
had
anything
to
say
about
it.
S
Would
it
help
if,
in
the
motion,
there's
a
wording
about
the
discreteness
of
the
second
story,
access,
oh
a
story
and
a
half
access.
J
You
could
probably
like
just
tag
on
something
to
to
letter
h
in
that
list.
There's
several
standards
in
there
about
the
accessory
structure
that
are
just
you
know
like
verbatim
from
the
standards,
but
you
could,
you
know,
add
something
easily
to
h
that
you
know
illustrates
what
you're,
what
you're
speaking
to
so
that
it's.
J
S
Not
on
mute
chairman,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
new
construction
worksheet
four
pages
exhibit
b
project
description,
exhibit
c
site
plans,
floor
plans
and
elevation
drawings,
five
pages
exhibit
c
section
drawings.
Three
pages
exhibit
d
context:
plan
exhibit
e
front
door,
specifications
exhibit
f,
1917,
sanborn
fire
insurance
map,
exhibit
g
photographs
of
the
subject
and
neighboring
properties.
Four
pages
exhibit
eight
revised
new
instruction
worksheets
four
pages
received
march
first
1st
2021
exhibit
I
revised
plans.
S
Nine
pages
received
march
1st
21
exhibit
j
windows
specifications
15
pages
received
march,
2nd
2021
exhibit
k,
siding
specifications
three
pages.
I
hope
I'm
not
on
mute
receive
march.
Second,
exhibit
l
did
I
finish
that
exhibit
k
citing
specification.
Three
pages
march,
2nd
2021,
exhibit
lgis
map
added
by
staff
march
9th
2021
exhibit
m
revised
drawings
and
plans.
24
pages
received,
mark
24,
2021,
exhibit
end
lighting
specifications
and
color
rendering
received
april
12th.
S
2021
exhibit
oh
railing.
Details
received
march
14th
exhibit
p
help
me
alex.
S
Okay
and
the
part
about
oh
and
the
commissioner's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
the
subject
property
by
all
members
except
everybody
went.
I
moved
that
the
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one,
that
the
application
is
two
one
construct:
a
two
story:
2
325
foot
square
foot,
primary
structure
structure,
we'll
have
a
stucco
foundation,
smooth
fiber
cement,
flap
siding
with
six
inch
revealed,
smooth,
fiber
cement,
shaped
siding
with
six
inch
reveal
roof
material
will
be
asphalt,
single
shingle
and
weathered
wood.
S
Color
windows
will
be
sierra
pacific,
h3,
4,
1
s,
d,
l
double
hung
six
light,
sdl,
awning
and
four
light.
Casement
aluminum,
clad
in
a
color
to
be
determined
front
entry
door
will
be
rogue
valley,
wood
three
light
over
panel
with
single
light
side
lights
and
doors
inside
rear
elevations
will
be
single
light.
S
Aluminum
clad
a
covered
porch
will
extend
front
entry
along
the
south
elevation
and
will
terminate
in
a
14
by
14
foot,
enclosed
screen,
porch
number
two
construction
of
a
one
and
a
half
story:
768
square
foot,
eighty
accessory
structure
behind
a
new
primary
structure.
All
materials
will
match
primary
structure.
Windows
will
be
sincere,
pacific,
sdl,
aluminum,
clad
six
light
awning
and
four
light.
S
Casement
one
pair
of
garage
doors
will
be
constructed
on
the
north
elevation
and
pedestrian
doors
will
be
single
light,
aluminum,
clad,
second
story,
entry,
doors,
entry
doors
will
be
accessed
by
a
wood
stair
and
landing
with
the
wood
railing
and
two
inch
by
two
inch.
Picket
space
4.5
on
center
number,
three
construct:
a
stamped
patio
concrete,
a
stamped
concrete
patio
at
rear
elevation
and
primary
structure.
A
12
foot
wide
12
foot
wide,
a
peak,
gravel,
driveway,
adjusted
adjacent
to
the
accessory
structure.
A
peak
rival
path
will
be
extended
from
the
front
entry.
S
Okay
foundation,
plantings
will
be
installed,
grand
cover
must
be
established
within
15
days
of
completion
of
construction
and
the
remainder
15
days.
Remainder
of
the
landscaping
will
be
installed
within
three
years.
If
archaeological
resources
are
discovered
during
the
work,
all
work
will
cease.
Until
city
staff
have
been
notified
have
inspected
the
site,
adequate
protection
will
be
provided
for
all
mature
trees
on
the
site
during
construction,
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
and
approvals
required
by
law
must
be
obtained
before
any
work
may
commence.
S
S
On
pages
32-33
in
the
montford
historic
design
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
on
december,
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Number
three:
the
application
does,
does
meet
the
design
guidelines
for
the
following
reason.
New
primary
structure
is
cited
so
that
to
be
similar
to
historic
patterns
in
terms
of
orientation,
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures
b.
New
primary
structure
is
designed
so
that
the
overall
character
of
the
adjacent,
streetscape
and
building
site
is
maintained.
S
C,
new
primary
structure
is
compatible
in
height
form
and
height
form,
a
roof
form
scale,
massing
footprint,
material,
detail,
fenestration
and
proportion
with
surrounding
historic
buildings
and
other
historic
buildings
in
the
district,
location
and
size
of
windows
and
door.
Openings
are
compatible
in
placement
orientation.
Spacing
proportion,
size
and
scale
with
historic
surrounding
historic
buildings.
Materials
and
finishes
are
typical.
Those
found
in
the
district
f
new
accessory
structure
is
compatible
with
the
new
primary
structure
in
terms
of
height
footprint
and
massing
new.
S
It's
accessory
structures,
no
more
than
30
of
the
scale
of
the
main
house
and
is
no
taller
than
one
and
a
half
stories.
G
new
accessory
structures
in
keeping
with
historic
pattern
in
terms
of
relationship
to
primary
structures,
tradition,
traditional
location
of
ancillary
buildings,
orientation,
setback,
retention
of
green
space
and
spacing
between
structures.
Each
new
accessory
structure
has
a
traditional
roof
form
materials
and
details
compatible
with
the
main
building
and
other
historic
accessory
structures
in
the
district.
I
S
Stairwell
is
the.
J
S
Hidden
from
the
view
from
the
street,
I,
the
new,
driveway
and
walkway
will
be
dark.
Colored,
pea,
gravel
j
mechanical
units
will
be
located
on
non-character,
defining
elevations
and
will
be
screened
for
the
actions
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
the
special
historic
character
of
monfort
historic
district.
O
G
G
C
P
S
Thank
y'all
based
on
the
four
going
findings
and
for
the
reasons
set
forth
they're
in
I
move
that
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions.
S
One
manufacturer
specifications
for
all
materials,
including
pedestrian
and
garage
doors,
mechanical
unit,
shake
siding
and
patio
material
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval
window.
Two
window
color
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and
approval
three
revised
site
plans,
showing
width
of
gravel
walkway
will
be
submitted
for
staff
review
and.
G
E
E
E
C
Will
now
move
on
to
the
first
item
of
new
business
since
the
procedural
matter,
and
that
is
local,
landmark
48
patent
avenue
the
drew
moore
building.
G
H
I'm
not
sure
it
sounded
that
alex
had
said
there
might
be
another
commissioner
joining
us,
and
I
am
not
sure
if
that's
the
case
now,.
F
Hey
alex
I've
recused
myself
from
this
one
before
due
to
just
my
professional
relationship
with
the
owners.
I
don't
know
if
that
affects
quorum
or
not.
H
H
C
B
E
Q
C
Okay,
commissioner,
west,
I
guess
you
can
vote
on
whether
to
recuse
yourself,
hi
mr
vaughan
and
vice
chair
eagan's
eye.
The
motion
carries
so
is
cole.
J
Oh,
thank
you
vice
chair
eakins.
I
think
we
have
a
couple
of
folks
or
a
few
folks
that
need
to
be
sworn
in
for
this
item.
Michael
logan
is
here:
amanda
warren,
our
special
guest
of
previous
hrc
member
and
andrew
atherton,.
C
Okay,
I
need
to
square
you
three
in
please
individually,
you
know,
swear
or
affirm
after
I
read
the
oath.
Do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth
and
accurate
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge.
E
C
Okay,
that
was
all
three
of
you,
michael
andrew
and
amanda,.
U
J
Okay,
so
I
made
this
one
pretty
brief,
because
I
feel
like
it's
a
pretty
straightforward
request
at
this
point.
So
as
some
of
we
have
some
new
commissioners
who
weren't
here
when
the
first,
when
we
last
heard
this
application
last
year,
but
the
drummer
building
is
one
of
our
49
local
historic
landmarks.
It's
I'm
sure.
Most
of
you
know
this
building
it's
right
in
the
middle
of
downtown.
J
I
can't
remember
how
many
original
windows
there
are
in
this
building,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
them
and
many
of
them
have
fallen
into
disrepair.
So
when
this
came
to
the
commission
before
a
conditions
assessment,
as
required
by
park,
service
standards
had
not
been
submitted
at
that
time.
So
the
the
commission
was
unable
to
make
the
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
any
or
all
of
the
windows
that
were
proposed
for
replacement
needed
to
be
replaced.
J
J
It's
a
little
bit
hard
to
read
the
keys,
because
I
think
that
they're
like
lightly
written
but
the
spreadsheet
that's
in
the
packet-
is
keyed
back
to
the
building
elevations
that
are
in
there
and
so
he
verified.
You
know
which
sashes
needed
to
be
replaced
and
and
all
the
details
that
we
needed
to
support
the
application.
And
so
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns
in
my
staff
report.
J
We
we
appreciate
the
fact
that
they've
gone
to
this
effort
to
to
do
the
conditions
assessment,
and
that
makes
the
decision
a
lot
easier,
obviously
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
any
for
me.
V
V
So
I
was
hired
to
do
an
assessment
of
the
windows
on
the
third
and
fourth
floor
of
the
drummer
building
and
that
included
46
total
units,
and
we
did
a
full
assessment
from
the
exterior
the
firm,
rented,
a
lift
for
us
to
use
for
that
assessment
and
the
maintenance
supervisor
accompanied
me
on
that
assessment.
V
V
Even
even
with
this
condition,
I
believe
the
windows
are
good
candidates
for
restoration,
as
many
of
the
original
windows
are
present
on
the
third
and
fourth
floor
all,
but
six
of
the
original
frames
are
present,
so
I
recommended
that
the
windows
be
restored
to
their
original
condition,
by
removing
the
sash
for
transport
to
the
shop
and
then
at
the
shop
they
get
stripped
to
bare
wood
and
we
restore
all
the
original
hardware.
V
Everything
gets
tripped
to
bare
wood.
Like
I
said,
and
then
we
use
all
new
linseed
oil
based
glazing,
which
is
a
traditional
glazing,
putty,
that's
long,
lasting
and
appropriate
for
these
windows,
any
repairs
necessary.
We
make
using
epoxy
repairs
or
dutchman
repairs
where
possible.
There
are
about
34
of
the
sash
that
will
need
to
be
reproduced.
V
V
In
addition,
we
had
there
are
those
six
full
units
that
had
been
replaced
sometime
in
in
the
90s
with
units
that
are
have
finger.
Jointed
frames,
which
is
a
quite
inferior
frame
material
and
the
the
quality
of
the
sashes
that
were
used
are
also
not
great,
so
those
are
literally
disintegrating
as
we
as
we
speak
here.
V
So
I
propose
that
for
those
six
locations
that
frames
be
be
reproduced
that
mimic
all
the
original
design
and
function
of
the
of
the
originals,
including
a
pulley
counterbalance
system,
and
these
these
would
not
alter
or
veer
from
the
original
design
in
any
way
and
as
well
as
there's
two
units
on
the
south
elevation
that
that
are
original
frames,
but
they
have
an
extreme
case
of
deferred
maintenance
and
much
of
the
wood
is
actually
missing
from
being
rotted
away.
V
The
the
seal
is
completely
missing,
it's
just
just
straight
on
the
concrete,
so
I
would
propose
that
those
be
reproduced
as
well
to
mimic
that
what
was
there
a
lift
would
be
necessary
due
to
due
to
caulking
and
painting,
which
is
typical
from
windows
that
we
work
with
they're,
almost
always
painted
shut
and
yeah.
That's
about
all.
V
I
had,
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
second
to
introduce
a
colleague
of
mine,
amanda,
warren
she's
with
quercus
alba
preservation
consulting
and
she
was
just
gonna-
add
a
couple
things
about
window
restoration
in
general.
C
U
All
right,
thank
you
for
listening
to
us
tonight.
Commissioners,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
actually
going
to
read
from
a
report
that
I
have
prepared
for
michael
logan.
U
I
think
it'll
just
cover
as
much
information
as
possible
as
concisely,
as
I
can
point
one
replication
of
six
full
units
and
34
individual
sash
that
are
unoriginal
in
replacement
windows
using
existing
and
extend
original
windows
to
create
matching
profiles,
dimension,
perception
of
depth
and
shadow
and
overall
appearance
sash
to
be
replicated
or
not
all
from
the
same
are
not
all
from
the
same
double
hung
units
there
are
individual
sashes
kind
of
pieced
from
different
different
units
throughout
the
building
goal
is
that
these
units
will
blend
seamlessly
with
the
entire
structure
when
viewed
from
street
and
point
two
windows
will
not
be
removed
in
entirety,
for
repairs.
U
Point
three
window:
framing
trim,
weight,
pockets
and
sills
will
remain
in
sutu,
while
it
is
not
known
that
any
of
these
components
will
require
work
beyond
general
or
minor
repairs
as
expected,
but
with
deferred
maintenance.
That
will
always
be
a
possibility,
barring
a
significant
issue,
it
is
expected
that
this
kind
of
work
will
also
be
performed
on
site
port
4,
minor
and
small
repairs
will
be
treated
using
a
variety
of
methods.
The
best
method
will
be
determined
as
the
project
moves
ahead.
U
This
includes
consolidation,
epoxy
superficial
fillers,
treatment
for
fungal
or
pest
damage
and
other
common
issues
that
can
be
found
in
any
type
of
wood
point:
five:
wood
requiring
repairs
larger
than
approximately
two
inches
parallel
to
grain
or
three
quarters
of
an
again
three
quarters
of
an
inch
against
the
grain
or
penetrating
through
grain,
will
receive
dolphin
repairs
with
appropriate
wood,
filler
and
epoxy
systems.
This
is
a
standard
and
accepted
practice
within
the
preservation
trades
point.
Six.
The
window
work
proposed
allows
the
property
owners
should
they
wish
to
pursue
it.
U
The
ability
to
qualify
for
some
tax
credits
as
the
work
will
retain
the
historic
and
original
materials
while
only
minimally
replacing
pieces
beyond
repair
point.
Seven
work
proposed
by
michael
logan
is
in
keeping
with
practices
and
methodology
recognized
and
sanctioned
by
the
window:
preservation
standards,
collaborative
the
national
wind
association
of
window,
restoration,
present
specialists,
the
preservation,
trades,
collabor
collaborative
and
speaking
for
myself
as
an
executive
on
the
board
of
the
international
preservation
trades
network.
I
have
asked
our
board
and
we
all
fully
support
the
work
proposed
by
michael
logan.
S
So
the
covered
up
windows
on
the
eyebrow
is
that
the
right
word.
Third,
fourth
story:
those
are
being
replaced
with
glass
again
right.
U
I
V
Yeah,
the
transom
windows,
those
would
all
be
removed
for
restoration
and
put
and
put
back
in.
Is
that
what
you're
asking.
V
Correct
so
the
transom
window,
the
top
kind
of
semi-circle
windows
would
also
be
removed.
So
those
are
concealed
from
the
interior
due
to
the
drop
ceiling.
So
we
would
remove
those
from
the
exterior
and
put
them
back
in
and
I'm.
V
C
There
being
no
callers
in
the
queue
we
will
close
the
floor
for
public
comment.
Commissioners
discussion.
B
You
want
me
to
take
my
turn
vice
chairman,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
drummer
building,
landmark
ordinance,
exhibit
b
photographs
of
other
historic
building
examples.
Eight
pages
exhibit
c
aluminum,
clad
window
specifications,
26
pages,
exhibit
d
photographs
of
subject
property,
15
pages,
exhibit
e
additional
examples
of
historic
buildings
with
aluminum
clad
windows,
12
pages
received
june
26,
2020,
exhibit
f
window
conditions
assessment,
36
pages
received
june
26
2020,
exhibit
g
additional
detailed
drawings
of
proposed
windows.
B
Three
pages
received
july
22,
2020,
exhibit
h
window
restoration,
estimate
received
august
3rd
2020,
exhibit
1
national
park
service
guidelines
on
documenting,
evaluating
and
replacing
original
windows.
Three
pages
received
july
12
2020
exhibit
j
email
from
earth
home
received
july
22
2020
exhibit
k,
revised
description
of
work
and
elevation
drawings.
B
Four
pages
received
march
18,
2021,
exhibit
l
window
inventory,
slash
conditions,
assessment,
two
pages
received
march
18
2021
exhibit
m
none
and
the
commission's
actual
expect
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one.
Commissioner,.
J
Vaughn,
can
I
interrupt
you
really
quickly
sure
sorry,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
michael
I
I
wrote
the
ca
to
just
reflect
rep
repair
and
replace
as
needed,
because
that's
commonly
how
we
write
this
type
of
approval,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
get
the
number
of
windows
correct,
because
I
had
put
54
but
doesn't
sound
like
that.
I
did
the
math
right.
I.
J
B
Got
it
moving
on
one
that
the
application
is
to
repair
and
replace
as
needed,
46
wood
windows
on
third
and
fourth
floors
of
north
and
east,
facing
elevations,
east
and
north,
facing
facades
on
third
and
fourth
floors
and
two
original
wood
windows
on
rear
elevation?
All
new
sashes
will
be
custom
built
to
match
existing
in
design,
dimension,
material,
detail
and
color
repair
and
replace
brick
moldings
as
needed.
Paint
glass
of
the
fourth
floor,
transom
windows,
black
to
screen
ductwork
from
exterior
view
all
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
improved
drawings
and
plans.
B
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence
that
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards,
specifically
the
standards
for
windows,
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
guidelines
for
the
following
reasons:
an
in-depth
survey
of
the
existing
conditions
of
the
windows
by
a
specialist
in
wood
window
restoration
has
been
conducted
as
much
original
material
is
being
retained
and
preserved
as
possible.
Sashing
sashed
being
replaced
are
extensively
deteriorated.
K
C
Commissioner
gardner
aye
mr
hornaday
aye
commissioner
spring
aye,
commissioner
west.
Oh,
oh
sorry,
she's
requesting.
C
E
N
C
J
Thank
you
bye,
sure,
egan's,
michael,
I
will
follow
up
with
you.
You
guys
are
welcome
to
jump
off
the
meeting
and
I'll
follow
up
with
you
by
sometime
early
next
week.
V
J
J
Yes,
jeremy
cohen,
is
the
apple
camp
for
two.
C
I'm
here,
okay,
mr
cohen,
I
will
swear
you
in.
Do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
us
the
truth
and
will
be
accurate
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge.
C
J
J
J
J
The
the
current
door
and
window
configuration
is
not
original
according
to
mr
cohen,
and
so
he
is
proposing
to
add
french
doors
where
the
previous
door
opening
is
existing
from
what
they
can
tell
and
then
add
a
new
wood
six
over
one
window
here
and
they'll
also
add
a
small
six
over
one
window
on
the
basement
level.
So
and
those
are
it's
pretty
straightforward
and
I
don't
have
any
concerns
based
on
the
fact
that
all
of
these
changes
are
on
non-character,
defining
elevations
of
the
building
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
you
have.
J
C
Hey
the
applicant
like
to
make
a
presentation.
A
C
E
S
Mr
vice
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence,
presented
the
commissioning
suit,
including
exhibit
a
project
description,
elevation,
drawings,
doors
and
windows,
specifications
and
photographs.
25
pages
exhibit
b
photograph
of
south
south
elevation
received
april
12,
2021
exhibits.
There
was
no
exhibit
c
and
the
commissioner's
actual
inspection
of
the
subject
property
by
all
members.
S
S
Remove
one
vinyl
nine
over
one
double
hung
window
on
the
north
elevation
close
opening
and
cover
exterior
with
pebble
dash
matching
existing
material
and
texture
and
color,
remove
one
single
pane
door
and
one
single
light.
Casement
window.
On
the
first
floor
of
the
rear
elevation
install
one
marvin
sdl
six
over
one
double
hung:
wood
window
and
wood
tdl
multi-light
french
doors
install
one
new
marvin
sdl
six
over
one
double
hung:
wood
window
in
new
opening
on
basement
level
of
rear
elevation.
S
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
any
work
may
commence.
Two.
The
standards
for
windows
and
doors
found
on
pages
84
through
85
of
the
montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
april
14,
2010
and
amended
april
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
S
This
application
does
meet
the
design
guidelines
for
the
following
reasons:
a
final
windows
which
are
not
appropriate
for
the
district
are
being
removed
or
replaced
with
wood
windows,
b
windows
and
door
openings
being
modified
on
the
rear
and
non-character.
Defining
facades
of
the
building,
see
new
windows
and
doors
will
be
wood
and
compatible
with
overall
design
of
the
building
number
four
that
action,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
appropriateness,
are
congruence
and
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
modford
historic
district.
K
E
S
C
Okay,
I'll
call
the
roll
commissioner
mercedes.
W
E
C
C
Okay,
the
applicant
is
emily
brown
ma'am
I'll
need
to
was
where
you
in.
Do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
is
the
truth
and
accurate?
To
the
extent
of
your
knowledge,
I
do
okay,
miss
cole.
J
Thank
you
vice
chair
eakins.
That
said,
this
application
is
also
pretty
simple,
straightforward
one.
The
house
is
a
little
bungalow
style
that
has
a
non-original
front
door,
so
the
applicant
is
proposing
is
the
the
front
door
with
a
new
wood
door,
and
the
second
part
of
the
request
is
that
the
on
the
side
elevation
of
the
house,
there
are
these
kind
of
sweet,
little
garage
doors
that
are
obviously
in
bad
shape
and
need
to
be
replaced.
So
they're
proposing.
E
J
Replace
them,
it
does
not
appear
to
me
that
these
openings
are
like
it's
kind
of
hard
to
tell
whether
they
were
original
or
not
so.
I've
talked
with
miss
brown
about
whether
or
not
those
openings
should
be
retained
and
she
had
already
completed
the
drawing
before
we
just
started
discussing
it.
So
I
think,
if,
if
you
all
feel
like
the
opening
should
be
present
on
the
new
doors
that
she
is
opening
to
hearing
your
thoughts
on
that.
J
The
issue
with
that
is
that
what
this
opening
behind
has
been
kind
of
modified
to,
where
it's
like
filled
in
and
there's
a
pedestrian
door
back
here
and
so
making
it
visible
to
the
exterior
is
not
necessarily
ideal,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
could
necessarily
fully
determine
whether
or
not
these
openings
have
always
been
there
or
not.
So
we
just
kind
of
left
that
question
open
ended
for
you
all
to
to
discuss
today.
Q
I
have
one
question:
is
the
the
garage
door
design
that's
proposed?
Would
that
be
wood
like
the
front
door.
W
C
W
W
W
I
am
and
alex-
and
I
talked
about
it-
something
I
am
willing
to
consider
is
putting
the
window
like
making
it
look
like
their
windows
were
there,
but
closing
it
in
if
that's
a
possibility.
S
Yeah,
it's
not
stained.
You're
gonna
paint
the
the
garage
doors
right.
S
And
I'm
I
think
I
like
them
with
the
function
behind
them
being
another
set
of
doors.
I
I'm
fine
with
them
going
to
what
appears
to
be
original
from
looking
at
them,
solid
without
lights,
but
that's
my
opinion
that
if
that's
what
you
want
to
do,
yeah.
W
That's
what
I
would
prefer
to
do.
It
would
be
much
easier
yes,
but
I
want
to
do
whatever
you
all
think
is
appropriate.
S
Does
anyone
feel
like
there
needs
to
be
lights
on
the
the
doors.
Q
E
S
Vice
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
the
commissioning
zoo,
including
exhibit
a
photographs,
door,
specifications
and
renderings
10
pages
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
brokenness
based
on
the
following
that
the
application
is
to
replace
non-original
front
entry
door
with
new
six
light
wood
panel
door,
replace
deteriorated
door
trim
with
new
wood
trim,
matching
existing
in
dimension
and
design
rebuild
existing
deteriorating
wood
garage
doors
on
east
elevation
per
attached,
drawings
and
plans.
S
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
any
work
may
commence.
Two,
that
the
design
standards
for
wood
doors
for
windows
and
doors
found
on
pages
84
through
85,
the
monfort
historic
design,
review
standards
adopted
april
14th,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019.
When
used
to
evaluate
this
request,
this
application
does
meet
the
design
guidelines
for
the
following
reasons:
existing
front,
a
existing
front
door
is
not
original
or
historic
replacement
door
will
be
wood
and
compatible
with
overall
design
of
the
building
b.
K
N
Q
S
Q
A
E
D
Of
course,
don't
they
always
my
sweet
girl
has
been
sick
lately,
so
all
she
wants
to
do
is
sit
on
my
lap.
J
R
C
Miss
good
speed
we're
going
to
need
to
square
you
in
before
the
application
is
considered.
It's
good
to
be.
Do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth
and
accurate
to
the
extent
of
your.
J
C
J
Thank
you
vice
chair
egan,
so
this
application
is
for
this
little
ranch
house
on
cumberland
avenue.
This
is
the
front
elevation
to
provide
context.
J
I've
added
some
photos
in
here
just
to
help
illustrate
what
we're
talking
about
so
on
the
if
you're
this
is
facing
the
back.
So
if
you're,
looking
at
the
back
of
the
house,
there's
a
this
little
bump
out
on
the
right
hand,
side
that
is
not
original
to
the
structure
and
is
pretty
small,
and
so
they
just
are
trying
to
enlarge
the
space
a
little
bit
for
better
usability.
J
I've
added
a
an
aerial
photo
in
here
to
help.
You
also
see
what
it
looks
like
if
you
didn't
visit
the
site.
So
it's
just
this
little
bump
out
that
they're
going
to
extend
a
pretty
small
amount
out
into
the
back.
So
here's
the
floor
plan
existing
floor
plan
on
the
left
and
the
proposed
floor
plan
on
the
right.
J
These
are
the
elevation
drawings.
If
you're
looking
at
the
rear,
I
did
meet
on
site
today
with
miss
goodspeed
and
we
I
did.
I
did
note
to
her
that
I
wasn't
sure
that
the
fenestration
style
being
proposed
was
quite
ripe
for
this
more
contemporary
style
structure.
We
talked
about.
J
Perhaps
the
using
casement
windows
with
no
no
muttons
might
be.
Okay,
if
you
all
feel
like
you
know,
the
sleeping
porch
style
is
appropriate
to
a
house
like
this.
Alternatively,
I
you
know
there
are.
There
are
these
smaller
double
hung
windows
and
these
larger
that
are
more
new,
newer
double
hung
windows
that
are
present
on
the
building,
so
we
did
talk
about
potentially
changing
them
to
to
be
double
hung
more
consistent
with,
what's
found
on
the
rest
of
the
building,
so
she's
open
to
your
thoughts
on
that.
J
These
are
just
quickly
the
other
elevations
existing
and
proposed,
and
obviously
this
is
not
a
contributing
building
to
the
district.
So
I
am
not
noting
any
concerns,
except
for
that.
I
just
did
ask
for
clarification
on
the
proposed
foundation
and
citing
materials
that
the
main
part
of
the
house
has.
J
I'm
not
sure
I
think
miss
goodspeed
said
that
that
her
contractor
said
it
was
wood,
but
I
think
if
you
look
at
the
siding
on
this
house,
it
sort
of
looks
like
that.
Like
kind
of
masonite
paneling,
that's
made
to
look
like
a
wood
grain
like
a
not
a
shake,
but
a
more
contemporary
version
of
that,
and
then,
as
you
move
around
the
house
on
the
back,
you
can't
see
it
from
this
photo,
but
there's
some
vertical
paneling
and
it's
a
little
bit
unclear
what
that
material
is.
J
It
doesn't
necessarily
look
like
wood,
but
it
could
be
just
you
know
some
some,
you
know
would
what's
the
the
term
isn't
coming
to
my
mind
like
fabricated
wood,
paneling
and
there's
also
some
faux
board
and
batten
on
this
side
of
the
house
too.
J
So
what
we
talked
about
today
when
I
made
the
site
visit,
was
just
saying
in
the
in
the
ca
that
the
sighting
would
would
be
vertical
wood,
paneling
matching
what's
here
and
that
if
they
get
into
the
field
and
the
material
is
different
and
they
need
to
match
it
in
some
other
way
that
then
they
would
just
reach
back
out
to
me
and
we
would
proceed
with
potentially
amending
the
the
ca
approval
if
we
need
it
to
and
then
the
foundation
will
be
cmu
finished
with
stucco.
S
J
Yeah,
I
think
what
I
was
envisioning
was
like.
Maybe
you
know
three
pairs
of
double
hung
windows
like
what's
there,
the
larger
double
hung
windows,
because
obviously
the
goal
is
to
have
more
light
in
that
space.
Alternatively,
if
the
commission
is
okay
with
the
awning
windows,
because
they
you
know
like
the
idea
of
having
something
that
would
open,
you
know
like
an
awning
window,
would
I
think
that
if
just
you
know
throwing
the
option
in
there
that
they
could,
you
know,
lose
the
dividers
in
the
in
the
awning
windows?
J
If
that
would
help-
and
you
all
would
be
okay
with
with
the
awning
windows
and
that
in
that
con
configuration,
so
those
were
just
a
couple
ideas
that
we
talked
about
today
in
the
field,
but
I
think
she's
open
to
what
you
all
think
is
most
appropriate.
I
mean
the
you
know.
The
rest
of
the
windows
on
the
house
are
double
hung,
so.
X
Q
This
is
commissioner,
sprang.
I
I
do
agree
with
alex
that
there
there
may
be
another
way
to
address
those
that
bank
of
windows
that's
a
little
bit
more
congruence
with
the
rest
of
the
house.
My
vote
would
be
for
double
hung
windows
and
the
the
massing
of
those
windows
looks
so
like
slightly
large.
Q
For
for
that
one
facade,
so
I
might
also
recommend
bringing
the
size
down
just
slightly,
so
maybe
so
the
there's
a
little
bit
more
siding
to
the
left
and
right
of
of
the
windows,
but
I
think
one
over
one
double
hungs
is
what
I
would
recommend.
S
So
how
many
windows
would
the
window
would
be
wider,
commissioner
spring
and
fewer?
So
there
would
be.
Q
Perhaps
if
if
these
are
so,
it's
kind
of
reading
in
the
drawing
like
there
are
three
doubles
right
now
is
that
is
that
correct
ken.
Q
So
if
you,
if
you
kept
the
that
organization
of
three
doubles,
then
I
would
say
each
each
one
would
just
get
slightly
narrower
or
the
another
option
could
be
to
to
switch
to
like
five
singles.
But
I
I
would
prefer
to
keep
with
the
doubles,
because
there's
other
instances
of
double
windows
on
the
home.
S
It
does
yeah
that
that.
B
Q
Typically,
typically,
the
sizes,
the
standard
sizes
are
incremental,
so
so
they
may
be
able
to
just
go
down
a
couple
inches
to
the
next
standard
size,
and
I
mean
it
in
addition
to
keep
the
the
proportions
looking
right,
the
the
sill
height
would
probably
have
to
come
up
a
little
bit
as
well.
Q
I
would
say
one
over
one:
yes,
and
you
know,
as
alex
was
saying.
Oh
sorry,
what
was
that.
S
I
was
but
and
alex
could
describe
that
or
from
or
is
that
something
we
have
to
decide
now.
Q
Motion
yeah,
I
think
I
can
make
a
motion
and
I'll
just
put
in
the
exceptions,
we'll
say
that
the
revised
drawing
should
be
sub
or
revised
window
selection
should
be
submitted
to
staff.
Does
that
sound.
B
I
Q
So
on
this
drawing
those
those
three
windows
are
the
new
proposed
right
and
we
could,
I
would
say,
make
those
the
one
over
one
double
hungs
as
well
to
keep
it
consistent,
and
I
mean
the
plus
side.
Is
that
also
maximizes,
your
view
from
the
interior.
J
And
then
this
is
the
other
side
where
the
doors
are
proposed.
I
mean
they
could
always
do
the
lights
without
the
the
dividers,
if
you
think
that's
more
appropriate
for
the
doors
also.
Q
If,
if
no
one
else
has
an
opinion
on
it,
I
I
would
probably
do
full
view
glass.
X
Thank
you.
I
would
I'm
okay
with
the
double
hung
windows.
I
mean
we
just
want
to
get
this
edition
done.
So
you
know
we
want
the
most
light
to
come
in
as
possible
and
airflow
as
well.
That's
why
we
had
picked
casement
windows,
but
I'm
definitely
open
to
doing
what's
going
to
move
this
through
the
quickest.
X
J
X
Appropriate,
I
am
okay
with
that.
I
guess
you
know
this
is
all
brand
new
to
me,
so
I
am
a
little
bit
confused
by
the
language
with
the
preference
for
this
and
then
the
need
for
it.
So
I'm
just
not
sure
about
that,
but
you
know
if,
if
that's
what's
needed,
that's
what
we'll
do
for
sure.
J
Yeah,
I
think,
just
to
to
answer
that
question
to
you,
kim
it's
less
about
preference
and
more
about
what's
appropriate
to
the
building
and
then
also
just
thinking
about
like
well.
If
the
one
over
one
windows
are
more
appropriate,
then
probably
the
you
know,
the
divided
lights
in
the
doors
probably
aren't
appropriate
either,
as
I
think
the
thinking
here.
So
I
just
don't.
I
just
want
to
reassure
you
that
it's
not
neces,
it's
not
about
preference,
and
you
know
someone
liking
something
over.
Something
else
is
just
more
about
what's
appropriate
to
the
structure
so.
Q
Well,
unless
any
other
commissioners
would
like
to
give
their
input,
I
can
make
a
motion.
Q
Excellent
vice
chairman,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
photographs,
door
specifications
and
rendering
10
pages
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members.
I
move
that
this
commission
approved
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one
that
the
application
is
to
replace
non-original
front
entry
door
with
news.
J
Commissioner
springs,
sorry,
did
you
read
all
the
exhibits?
Did
I
miss
that.
Q
Okay,
vice
chairman,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
project
description
and
engineer
letter
three
pages.
This
is
the
right
one
right.
Yes,
yes,
exhibit
exhibit
b
drawings
and
plans.
Eleven
pages
exhibit
c
photographs.
Four
pages
exhibit
d
site
plan,
exhibit
e
site
plan,
exhibit
f
window
specifications.
Q
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
Two
that
the
standards
for
non-contributing
structures
found
on
pages.
68-69
of
the
montford
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9th
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
Q
This
application
does
does
meet
the
design
guidelines
for
the
following
reasons.
A
addition
does
not
alter
the
architectural
integrity
of
the
structure
b.
Addition
is
compatible
with
the
size,
scale,
color,
material
and
character
of
the
neighborhood,
the
building
and
its
environment.
Four.
But
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruence
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
montford
historic
district.
C
Is
there
a
second
okay?
The
motion
has
been
made
and
seconded
I'll
call.
The
roll
commissioner
mercedes.
A
S
F
F
C
Commissioner,
vaughan
aye
vice
terry
akins
by
the
motion
carries
why
don't
we
take
a
five-minute
break
since
that
concludes
the
public
hearings.
B
Hey
jesse,
I
don't
know
if
you're
there,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
this
portrait
behind
me
is
jake
chiles
and
was
loaned
to
us
by
the
by
the
child's
family
to
hang
here
at
child's
house.
B
B
Yeah
and
there's
some
books
in
this
cabinet
back
here
that
were
in
this
library
that
the
child's
family
gave
us
as
well.
Just
like
a
week
and
a
half
ago,
they've
been
through
hurricane
hugo,
so
they're
pretty
bad
shape,
but
we
have
the
photo
that
shows
where,
in
the
bookcase
here
in
the
library
they
actually
were
so
we're
actually
accumulating
things
that
were
have
been
in
child's
house
before.
So.
B
Right
they're
talking
about
temporary
learning
as
some
of
leah's
art
and
her
father's
art,
arkoot's,
art,
casimir,
and
so
those
will
probably
sit
here
in
the
library
because
they're
trying
to
determine
what
happened
to
those
long
term
but
they're
needing
a
place
for
them
to
be
temporarily
housed
and
taken
care
of.
So
and.
B
J
U
J
C
Well,
we
wanted
to
go
out
for
recess
so
that
we
would
pay
special
attention
to
what
you
have
to
say.
B
You,
the
secret,
is
snack
carbs
and
five
hour.
Energy.
D
J
B
Bill
there
was
apparently
the
the
necessary
uniform
mutual
uniform
today.
The
green
polo
shirt
with
the
the
emblem
yeah.
C
It's
I
wonder
if
I'll
ever
go
back
to
the
old
shirt
and
tie
routine.
The
last
time
I
put
a
suit
jacket
on,
I
had
shorts
down
below
where
nobody
could
see.
N
C
So,
let's
see,
I
don't
think
I've
got
a
full
picture
of
who's
who's
back.
Does
it
look
like
we've
got
most
of
the
commissioners
back,
I'm
basically
just
saying
the
three
of
us.
C
C
C
Okay,
good,
shall
we
start
up
again?
Is
everybody
around
alex?
Did
you
want
to
set
the
stage
before
the
presentation
now
that
we're
moving
on
to
new
business
item
a
that
yeah.
J
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
context
to
you
all
before
jesse
jumps
in
to
present
to
you,
and
I
realized
now,
because
things
got
really
hairy
with
that
one
subdivision
application
that
I
have
not
shared
with
you.
The
draft
resolution
that
that
jesse
sent
to
me.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll,
just
give
my
little
talk
first
and
then
when
jesse
starts
I
will.
I
will
share
those
documents
with
you,
so
I'm
just
sharing
on
my
screen.
J
J
So,
as
you
can
see
there
are
this
is-
and
this
is
the
proposed
part
of
the
proposed
site
plan,
I'm
just
trying
to
give
you
some
context
and
jessie
may
have
some
other
documents
in
her
presentation
to
share,
but
so
there
are
here.
Let
me
let
me
actually
pull
up.
E
J
J
Rear
corner
is
the
asheville
arms,
which
is
a
big
apartment,
complex,
that
is
a
non-contributing
structure
to
the
chestnut
hill,
national
register
district
and
so
the
whole
most
of
the
entire
block
is
proposed
for
redevelopment,
with
the
exception
of
some
of
the
the
houses
on
the
back
corner.
J
And
so
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
today
is
the
national
registered
district
and
what
affect
demolishing
13
historic
houses,
as
is
what
is
proposed
to
create
this
new
development.
How
that
will
impact
the
national
register
district
eligibility
as
well
as
any
potential
eligibility
for
local
district
designation?
J
And
so
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
little
bit
of
brief
information.
We're
not
going
to
talk
about
the
design
of
the
new
structures
or
anything
like
that.
We're
just
really
limiting,
since
you
all
don't
have
purview
over
the
new
development.
We're
really
just
asking
for
the
discussion
to
be
limited
on
your
thoughts
around
the
loss
of
those
historic
structures
on
the
block
and
how
that
would
affect
the
historic
district,
and
just
so,
you
all
know.
J
Chestnut
hill
was
designated
way
back
when
as
a
local
district,
but
the
district
designation
was
overturned
on
a
technicality,
I
think
related
to
the
signatures
required
for
for
moving
the
the
designation
forward
through
the
process.
So
it
was
a
technical
technicality,
unfortunately,
and
that
was
way
predated
my
time
with
the
city
and
I
believe
stacy's
as
well.
Stacy
is
supposed
to
join
us
if
she
can,
but
she
had
to
be
in
another
public
meeting,
so
hopefully
she'll
jump
on
here
at
some
point.
J
But
so
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
really
is
just
to
kind
of
give.
You
guys
some
very
basic
groundwork
for
what
we're
talking
about
today
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
jesse,
and
I
will
I'll
put
a
link
to
the
documents
that
she
shared
with
me
in
the
chat
so
that
you
guys
can
open
them,
alex
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
try
and
share
my
okay
yeah.
Let
me
let
me
stop
sharing,
so
you
can
kick
me
out
of
here.
Okay,
let's
see
how
that
works,.
O
M
A
E
I
J
See
there
you
go
okay.
Can
you
see
the
presentation
this?
The
presentation?
Yes,
all
right,
good
thanks,
everybody,
your
patience.
So
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me,
I'm
jessie
landale
the
executive
director
of
the
preservation
society,
thanks
for
having
me
tonight
just
for
a
quick
minute,
as
alex
just
mentioned,
there
is
a
development.
That's
currently
working
its
way
to
city
council,
and
the
current
proposal
includes
the
demolition
of
13
historic
homes
that
are
all
contributing
structures
to
the
chestnut
hill
national
register
district.
J
J
And
requesting
your
support
in
the
form
of
a
resolution
opposing
the
demolition
of
any
substantial
number
of
these
homes
in
consideration
of
the
damage
that
such
a
demolition
would
have
in
the
national
register.
District
and
alex
already
showed
us
a
little
bit
of
the
block.
But
this
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
of
how
large
the
space
we're
talking
about
is
in
the
district.
J
There
are
five
four
privately
owned
homes
over
here
on
the
corner
of
baird
street
that
are
not
included
in
the
demolition
and
also
the
asheville
arms,
which
is
that
apartment
complex
on
the
corner
of
furman
and
east
chestnut.
That
is,
is
owned
by
the
developers,
but
and
is
not
a
contributing
structure
to
the
national
register
district,
but
is
not
planned
for
demolition
at
this
time,
and
also,
I
should
note
that
the
home
here
right
around
here
on
east
chestnut
is
a
richard,
sharp
smith
design.
J
So
tonight
this
is
the
resolution
we
have
for
you
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
it
quickly,
whereas
the
homes
at
121,
123,
125,
129
and
135
charlotte
street
33,
15,
19,
23
and
25
baird,
street
132
and
134
furman
avenue
and
276
east
chestnut
are
contributing
structures
to
the
chestnut
hill,
national
register
of
historic
places
district
and
whereas
the
proposed
101
charlotte
street
development
includes
plans
to
demolish
some
or
all
of
these
homes
and
whereas
the
current
condition
of
these
homes
does
not
necessitate
their
demolition
and
whereas
economic
hardship
does
not
necessitate
their
demolition
and
whereas
there
are
no
unusual
or
compelling
circumstances
that
neces
necessitate
their
demolition
and
whereas
the
demolition
of
any
substantial
number
of
contributing
structures
within
the
chestnut
hill,
national
registered
of
historic
places,
district
would
result
in.
J
Of
the
historic
district
possible
reduction
of
district
boundaries,
should
they
be
reevaluated,
loss
of
embodied
energy
in
existing
buildings,
lost
of
distinctive
building
forms
and
styles,
loss
of
opportunity
to
utilize
investment
incentives
such
as
historic
preservation,
tax
credits
and
loss
of
tangible
connections
to
the
people
and
families
that
lived
here
before
us
built
our
city
and
made
it
the
place.
We
love
and
treasury
today.
J
B
Jesse
quick
question
for
you:
yes,
the
number
of
homes
are
talking
about
demolishing
versus
the
number
in
the
district.
I
know
most
of
these,
based
on
what
we're
trying
to
do
around
trials
was
based
on
a
formula.
How
close
does
that
put
you
to
the
formula
where
you
could
lose
your
overall
historic
designation
as
a
district.
J
B
Got
it
so
that
would
be
an
economic
taking
in
essence,
you
know
of
from
those
people
that
they
would
not
be
compensated
for.
Okay.
Thank
you.
J
And
I
think
to
to
you
know
to
add
to
this
conversation
too,
it's
important
from
the
perspective
of
this
commission
that
you
know.
I
think
this
resolution
is
a
good
idea
and
important,
because
I
feel
like
your
voice
here
will
be
important
to
hopefully
avoiding
setting
precedent
for
other
developments
that
would
encroach
on
to
the
historic
districts,
because
this
is
a
very
hot
topic.
We
have
gotten
contacted
about
other
developments
around
this
particular
corridor.
J
You
know
about
that
involved
some
demolition,
not
as
extensive
as
this,
but
still
the
more
we
chip
away,
obviously
the
more
we
chip
away.
So
I
think
it's,
I
think,
I'm
I'm
really
thankful
to
jesse
for
posing
this
idea.
I
think
it's
a
good
one,
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
too
that
you
know,
obviously,
if
losing
eligib,
you
know
losing
character
from
the
national
register
standpoint.
J
Also,
then,
potentially,
chips
away
at
eligibility
for
local
district
designation
should
that
be
pursued
again,
and
I
will
say
that
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
the
neighbors
interest
in
pursuing
that
again.
It's
something
that
we've
put
some
thought
into
and
decided
it's
not
the
right
time.
There's
there's
too
much
happening,
but
that
I
do
think
it's
something
that
you're
gonna
see
happening
in
the
next
year
or
so.
I
can
see
the
neighbors
wanting
to
make
a
move
like
that.
S
J
J
The
same.
The
von
rock
house
is
a
local
historic
landmark,
so
we
do
have.
The
commission
does
have
purview
over
that
structure.
Just
fyi
the
the
killian
families
owned
these
properties
for
a
really
long
time,
including
the
van
rock
estate,
and
then
about
a
year
a
little
more
than
a
year
ago.
Now
they
partnered
with
a
development
group
called
rcg
who
did
take
part
ownership
in
the
von
ruck
estate.
In
addition
to
these
13
properties
that
we're
talking
about
tonight.
S
Alex
or
stacy
or
shannon
or
janet,
is
there
what's
the
most
recent
example
of
this
large
of
a
demolition
threat
to
like
a
full
city
block
is,
is
that
is
there
one.
J
So
I
it
what
the
wording
I
used
is
any
substantial
demolition
in
of
contributing
structures
in
the
national
register
district,
and
the
reason
for
that
is.
I
do
believe
that
when
these
developers
submitted
this
plan
that
there
are
they,
they
sort
of
gave
us
the
worst
case
scenario,
and
they
wanted
to
leave
some
room
for
themselves
to
to
step
back
from
that.
J
So
I
believe
that
they
will
be
coming
forward
with
a
plan
that
intends
to
demolish
some
portion
of
these
homes
and,
I
believe
it'll
be
substantial,
but
I
think
it
might
be
reasonable
to
expect
that
they
will
give
up
the
demolition
of
the
two
on
furman,
for
example.
So
that's
why
we
wanted
to
leave
the
language
a
little
bit
loose.
So
I
didn't
have
to
come
back
and
ask
you
guys
for
another
resolution
if
it
was
to
be
11
houses
instead
of
13.
J
I
did
want
to
ask
stacey,
and
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
chat
this
week,
but
I
wanted
to
stacy.
Do
you
think
we
should
add
anything
to
the
resolution
related
to
potential
issues
around
the
eligibility
of
a
local
district.
Y
Q
What
about
noting
the
intention
of
a
potential
future
local
district.
Y
J
Appropriate,
I
just
forwarded
the
email,
the
document
to
all
of
you,
for
whatever
reason
google
drive
is
not
letting
me
open
it
or
share
the
link
in
the
chat,
don't
open
the
link.
I
sent
you
in
the
chat
because
you'll
then
be
reading
all
my
crazy
emails
from
the
last
couple
of
days
and
prepping
for
this
meeting,
but
I
I
can
I
just
forwarded,
so
you
can
just
read
it
again
if
you
would
like
to
and
I'm
gonna
print
a
copy.
J
H
Alex
this
is
janice.
I
was
just
looking
at
it.
It
might
fit
into
the
very
last,
whereas
so
you,
it
starts
out
by
saying
the
demolition
of
substantial
number
contributing
structures
would
result
in
the
loss
of
integrity
of
the
historic
district,
and
that's
what
jesse
said
and
reduce
the
boundaries
and
somewhere
in
there
say
and
may
affect
the
ability
for
this
area
to
qualify
as
a
local
district
in
the
future.
Just
yeah.
That's
that.
J
H
And
I
just
wanted
to
add
just
procedurally
well
we're
not
in
quasi-judicial
now,
but
you
know
I've
looked
at
this
before
this
is
squarely,
even
though
this
is
not
a
local
historic
district.
It's
certainly
within
your
purview
as
the
historic
resources
commission
to
be
commenting
on
historic
properties
and
and
what
happens
to
them
through
in
the
city
and
in
buncombe
county
and
but
I
do
want
the
commissioners
to
know
that
this
is
a
request
for
a
resolution.
H
It's
not
a
resolution
that
was
coming
from
the
staff,
so
you're
not
obligated
to
pass
a
resolution,
but
it
and
and
what
council
would
do
with
this
again,
you're,
not
really
impacting
the
ability
of
the
development
to
move
forward,
but
it
could
be
one
piece.
That's
considered,
so
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear
that
it
is
within
your
purview,
and
it
is
your
option
to
agree
to
pass
the
resolution
or
or
not.
Y
So
I
I
have
a
question:
if
you
all,
if
the
commission
does
decide
to
pass
it,
it
would
be
shared
with
council,
but
it
would
also
be
shared
with,
like
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
during
the
review
of
the
project.
A
Y
S
I
agree
that
it's
I
I
support
the
resolution.
Q
I
support
the
resolution
and
I
would
also
add
that
clause
about
hindering
the
the
potential
for
future
local
designation.
D
I
completely
agree,
I
think
that
thinking
to
the
future
is
very
important
here,
but
I
definitely
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said.
S
James
had
mentioned
the
the
potential
loss
of
taking
constricting
the
district
would
negatively
impact
people
uh's
ability
to
get
that
tax
credit
for
their
work.
Is
that
in
a
resolution,
or
can
that
be
or
is
that
too
dicey.
J
I
there
is
some
language
about
that.
Would
you
mind
sharing
your
screen
again
with
the
resume
sure
sure
it
went
so
smoothly.
Last
time,
yeah.
H
H
B
B
Right,
we
don't
want
to
get
risk.
You
know
over
engineering
over
wordsmithing,
but
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
to
the
average
person
just
skimming
through
this
that
hey
you
could
be
potentially
people
could
lose
their
tax
credit.
You
know
possibility
if
now
there's
a
lot
of
ifs
in
there.
So
we
have
to
be
careful
too,
because
you
know
we're
arguing
facts
that
aren't
necessarily
in
evidence.
Yet
you
know
it's
just
you
know
speculation
that
that
could
happen.
No
one
has
yet
proposed.
C
C
Right,
but
you
know
we
could
be
creating
a
historic
district
at
some
point
in
the
future.
I
just
assumed
leave
it
a
little
bit
slushy
in
in
that
language.
For
that
reason,
maybe
somebody
doesn't
quite
live
in
the
national
register.
District
might
get
the
idea
that
you
know
this
could
hurt
them
down
the
road,
and
you
know
we
need
all
the
support
we
can
get
for
this.
N
H
Certainly,
of
course,
if
the
ones
are
demolished,
they're
gone,
but
the
other
it
may
not
so
potential
loss
of
opportunity
for
people
for
people
is
that
what
you
said
bill
for
people
within
yeah.
C
Yeah,
well,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
this
practice
is
a
possibility
of
a
future
district.
Isn't
there
or
there's
a
possibility
of
boundary
changes
whatever
we
could
just
leave
it
vague
yeah,
just
yeah,
you
know.
So
is
somebody
ready
to
to
make
a
motion.
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
consensus
of
what
we're
doing.
J
H
Yeah,
actually
it's
it's
the
motion's
not
written
exactly,
but
it
should
be
motioned
to
adopt
the
resolution
opposing
the
substantial
demolition
of
homes.
So
so,
if
this
were
written
for
council
under
the
near
now,
therefore
it
would
say
the
historic,
the
historic
resources
commission
hereby
adopts
the
resolution
and
then
read
the
rest
of
it.
H
B
J
It's
a
great
question.
I
would
say
that
we
don't
believe
it's
going,
you
know
it's.
It
just
depends
on
the
timeline
of
the
of
the
the
developers.
J
J
It
before
then,
so
I
don't,
I
don't,
have
it
in
an
editable
format
right
now,
so
I
can't
add
anything.
H
This
sometimes
happens,
as
you
know,
even
at
council,
where
we
don't
have
the
resolution.
It
needs
a
few
changes,
but
as
long
as
the
motion
is
to
adopt
it
and
as
as
we've
we've
mentioned
these
amendments,
we
can
write
this
amendment
and
get
it
signed
by
the
chair.
H
Have
to
read
the
whole,
we
read
the
whole
resolution,
like
you
do
with
your
fuzzy
judicial.
You
would
just
be
reading.
So
so
that
say
when
it's
canceled
they
have
a
resolution.
They
say
a
motion
to
adopt
the
resolution
now
as
you,
if
you
want
to
say
the
resolution
as
amended,
but
basically
the
resolution
adopt
the
resolution
to
and
then
jump
to
the
bottom
line
to
pose
the
substantial
demolition
of
homes
for
the
proposed
101
charlotte
street
development.
Q
So
I
guess
it
would
go
I
motioned
to
adopt
move.
I
I
move.
You
move,
I
move
to
adopt
the
resolution
opposing
any
substantial
demolition
of
homes
for
the
proposed
101
charlotte
street
development.
E
S
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
tonight,
commissioners,
and
we
really
appreciate
the
resolution
as
well,
have.
U
C
E
J
So
I
it's
been
a
little
while,
since
I
forwarded
it,
but
the
only
nominations
that
I
got
were
from
commissioner
vaughn
and
I
think
I
added
that
email
to
the
folder
james,
I'm
gonna
try
to
find
up
your
email
here
here.
It
is
so.
Hopefully
y'all
took
a
minute
to
read
through
the
email
that
that
he
composed
he
would
like
to
submit
mr
george
taylor
and
mr
george
gibson
for
for
the
award.
J
He
noted
that
they
embody
the
spirit
of
the
award
to
be
champions,
and
so
their
their
work
is.
Forgive
me,
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
read
this
whole
email
while
I'm
trying
to
talk
at
the
same
time.
But
mr
gibson
is
the
one
who's
passed
away:
correct
the
gentlem,
nope
reverse.
J
Okay,
sorry,
they
both
did
have
contributed
substantial
work
to
maintaining
and
caretaking
of
the
south
asheville
cemetery,
which
is
one
of
our
historically
african
american
cemeteries,
where
many
unidentified
grave
sites
are
present
from
the
smith,
mcdowell,
property
slaves
who
worked
on
the
property
there
or
enslaved
persons
that
worked
on
the
property
there.
And
so
it's
got
a
very
old
and
rich
history.
And
so
james
is
proposing
to
nominate
both
mr
taylor,
who
has
passed
away
and,
and
mr
gibson,
who
is
still
alive,
but
he
is,
is
he
96?
J
J
Incidentally,
I
received
in
the
mail
today
the
national
register
nomination
for
the
south
asheville
cemetery
and
the
and
the
saint
john
a
baptist
church
that
is
connected
with
the
property,
so
this
will
be
on
an
upcoming
agenda
for
review.
It's
just
an
advisory
capacity,
but
yes,
it
is
a
very
important
historic
resources
resource
to
the
community.
J
So
so
with
that,
if
there's
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
make
a
nomination,
you
can
do
so
obviously-
or
you
are-
you
know-
can
certainly
just
vote
to
award
mr
taylor,
mr
gibson,
whatever
you
prefer.
J
Advice
dennis,
and
since
this
is
just
awarding
giving
an
award,
he
doesn't
need
to
recuse
for
that
right.
H
B
Well
then,
unless
someone
else
has
a
nomination,
then
I'm
happy
to
offer
a
motion
just
in
the
interest
of
time,
because
it's
been
running
late
too,
that
we
award
this
to
mr
taylor,
mr
gibson,
for
a
second.
C
Okay,
I'll
call
the
roll
commissioner
mercedes.
S
E
C
J
I
just
want
to
quickly
say
thank
you
to
commissioner
hornaday
for
his
work
on
the
award
itself
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
vaughn,
for
taking
time
to
to
draft
the
email
was
really
helpful.
Sometimes
folks
are
nominated
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
shared,
so
it
was.
It
was
nice
to
have
that.
Thank
you.
My.