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The
purpose
of
the
aarc
is
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
county
and
overall
policy
for
the
continued
development
and
sustainability
of
the
regional
riverfront.
The
commission
provides
recommendations
to
the
city
and
county
for
effective
management
of
the
public
resources
for
the
districts
and
actively
pursues
the
private
sector
investments
in
the
districts.
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The
commission
is
made
up
of
14
members
representing
the
city
of
asheville,
the
council
of
independent
business
owners,
riverlink
asheville
city
council,
buncombe,
county
commission
and
the
town
of
woodfin.
Our
committees
consist
of
transportation
and
mobility
and
public
safety,
including
water
quality.
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C
The
meeting
code
number
is
4602
for
callers
to
call
in
and
listen
and
make
comments
if
you'd
like
to
send
comments
by
email
to
you
can
send
them
to
riverfront
commission
march
25
at
public
input
dot
com
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
commissioners,
please
make
sure
to
meet
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done
speaking
all
right.
We
can
start
this
agenda.
C
I
would
like
to
start
off
by
just
acknowledging
and
thanking
all
the
hard
work
that
was
put
into
yesterday's
live
retreat
and
a
big
shout
out
and
thanks
to
steph
dahl
for
all
of
her
hard
work
and
professionalism,
and
I
for
one
really
enjoyed
and
appreciated
having
most
of
the
commission
members
there
and
touring
through
the
the
district
and
meeting
new
business
owners
and
and
then
the
the
last
part
of
the
the
day.
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A
C
So
we
I'm
going
to
ask
if
there
has
been
any
public
comment.
A
C
Okay,
well
we'll
move
into
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
the
sharing
out
of
three
things
that
we're
hoping
two
two
to
three
things
that
that
really
stood
out
individually
for
each
of
the
the
commission.
Members
that
were
were
on
the
tour
yesterday.
Is
there
a
would
somebody
like
to
to
begin
this.
G
I
first
thank
sam
for
your
presentation
and
that's
my
first
takeaway
as
staff
and
other
people
know
that
I've
been
commenting
at
least
about
the
condition
of
the
river
for
a
number
of
years,
and
while
it's
talking
to
derrick
later
in
the
evening,
I
know
it's
going
to
be
hard
for
people
who
have
business
depends
on
the
river
to
have
to
acknowledge
the
condition
it's
in
and
at
the
same
time
I
do
think
that
it's
if
we
had
any
other
resource
that
was
if
the
biltmore
in
the
state
was
collapsing
and
dangerous
we'd
probably
fix
it.
G
So
I
think
it's
it's
great
to
get
the
news
out
there
and
get
in
that
direction.
My
second
takeaway
was,
I
enjoyed
hearing
jay
a
couple
of
times
yesterday
from
black
wall
street
through
bizworks
and
a
couple
other
things.
G
We've
partnered
with
him,
and
I've
always
had
phone
conversations,
not
really
talk
to
him
so
to
see
his
professionalism
and
see
what
he's
going
to
do
to
lead.
That
is
was
good
for
me
and
the
third
was
just
acknowledging
what's
going
down
amboy
road
and
that
their
own
little
section
I
do
have
questions
about
the
last
place.
We
went,
and
you
know
that
hearing
the
numbers
that
was
going
to
cost
them
to
run
that
place.
It's
it'll
be
interesting
to
watch.
That's
that's
what
I
got.
F
Darren
I
had
a
few
thoughts.
One
of
them
is
similar
to
what
tim
just
said
about
the
amber
road
area
becoming
the
next
rat
or
whatever.
We
want
to
call
it
outdoor
activity
center
area.
I
think
that's
something
we
all
need
to
pay
attention
to
and
be
thoughtful
about.
F
The
second
one
is,
I
think,
more
than
I
had
started
to
think
ahead
of
time.
I
feel
like
it
would
be
helpful
to
think
about
perhaps
pushing
for
this
riverfront
commission
to
to
be
a
little
bit
different
than
it
might
be,
maybe
whatever
new
goals
or
priorities,
what
can
we
get
approved,
even
though
we're
in
the
middle
potentially
in
the
city
we're
doing
all
these
commissions?
F
Because
that's
where
we're
headed
and
everybody
will
suffer
from
that-
and
the
last
thing
was,
I
feel
like
it's
part
of
our
duty
as
well,
to
talk
more
with
the
city
about
stormwater
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
the
development
down.
There
katie
and
I
talked
a
little
bit
to
brian
schick,
about
the
lofts
or
whatever
they're
called
now,
and
how
we
have
an
opportunity
there
to
maybe
upgrade
the
storm
water
treatment
rather
than
just
putting
a
big
pipe
to
make
it
go
faster
through
that
area.
F
What
could
we
do
and
how
can
we
discuss
that
with
the
city,
public
works
and
city
council
and
whoever
else
to
try
to
get
that?
It's
an
opportunity
they're
already
going
to
be
tearing
the
road
up
and
doing
things.
Why?
Wouldn't
we
take
a
chance
to
get
that
to
help
us
in
the
future?
Those
were
my
three
takeaways.
B
Darren,
if
I
may,
I'm
just
going
to
re-interrupt
what
tim
had
said
about
ann's
presentation,
I
thought
it
was
excellent
and
it
certainly
points
out
the
fact
that
the
water
quality
is
going
to
be
it's
a
problem.
Now
it's
going
to
continue
to
be
in
the
future.
Some
kind
of
long-term
funding
needs
to
be
addressed.
B
I
was
impressed
by
the
entrepreneurial
spirit
and
of
the
the
young
people,
these
businesses
down
there
for
them
to
put
their
money
and
their
time
and
effort
into
making
the
river
area
a
outdoor
spot
for
where
families
and
people
from
out
of
town
can
come
and
enjoy
themselves
in
our
community.
I
I
really
want
to
say
a
heads
up
to
them
and
the
other
thing
is
there's
going
to
be
so
much
growth
and
expansion.
E
Well,
I
can
go
next
I'll.
Just
read
off
some
notes
that
I
put
in
last
night.
Just
I
want
to
say
number
one.
We
are
fortunate
to
have
here
in
asheville
such
passionate,
dedicated
and
resourceful
city
staff,
whose
caring
and
hard
work
have
brought
many
players
and
stakeholders
together
and
help
to
facilitate
solutions
and
evolving
understanding
of
the
developing
riverfront
with
the
challenges,
as
well
as
opportunities
that
entails.
E
And
also
successful
projects
take
a
bold
vision.
This
is
sort
of
echoing
on
what
david
was
saying:
creativity
and
willingness
to
invest
time
and
money
to
achieve
achieve
the
desired
results.
E
And
number
three
take
away
was
that
the
river-
and
I
here
I
meant
the
french
broad
and
the
swan
of
are
noah,
formidable
presence,
beautiful
and
constantly
moving
and
changing,
but
always
with
the
potential
to
rise
and
show
the
terrible
force
of
water
to
move
and
rearrange
and
cover
with
mud,
the
landscape
and
our
human-built
roads
and
structures.
H
I
sure
did
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
echo
first
of
all
everything
that
folks
have
already
said
in
terms
of
thanking
staff
for
the
very
very
intentional
and
purposeful
work
that
they
do
every
day
to
help
ensure
that
the
growth
that
our
community
is
experiencing
is
something
that
happens
as
sustainably
as
possible,
and
I
do
mean
sustainably
in
every
sense
of
the
word.
H
H
I
really
appreciate
that
that
was
part
of
the
agenda,
and
that
was
something
we
could
all
learn
from
and
also
I
just
want
to
echo
a
little
note
that
you
made
yesterday
steph
during
policy
on
tap,
which
is
whenever
we
were
talking
about
ways
to
ensure
that
art
and
artists
can
remain
at
the
forefront
of
you
know
the
the
river
arts
district,
of
course,
but
also
doing
what
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
there
is
more
housing
and
that
there
is
more
infrastructure
available
in
this
district
and,
of
course,
around
our
community
to
meet
a
need
that
is
quite
outstanding.
H
D
I
can
jump
in
first
of
all,
the
day
was
great.
It
was
like
a
mental
health
day
for
me,
because
I
haven't
been
out
like
that
since
around
like
two
and
a
half
years,
so
thank
you
all
for
being
so
such
fun
to
be
with
so
my
three
takeaways.
D
D
I
still
see
the
development
just
kind
of
using
the
river
not
doing
a
whole
lot
to
contribute
to
its
health,
and
I
think
that
will
work
for
some
time,
because
you
know
nature
takes
its
time,
but
at
some
point
it's
going
to
end
up
like
the
story
of
the
giving
tree,
and
I
and
even
on
the
panel
last
night,
with
the
exception
of
stuff,
I
don't
think
anyone
talked
about
sustainability
or
storm
water
for
new
buildings
or
development,
and
I
really
don't
think
that
any
of
these
folks
would
be
doing
what
they're
doing
or
be
as
excited
about
what
they're
doing
if
the
river
wasn't
there-
and
I
also
want
to
be
clear
that
I
don't
think
that
development
and
environmental
resilience
are
like
mutually
exclusive.
D
I
think
that
we
can
do
both
and
there's
so
many
great
models
out
there.
So
I
guess
that's
that's
my
big
takeaway
and
then
the
other
takeaway,
I
think,
is
more
like
emotional.
Is
that
you
know
reflecting
on
the
day
last
night
and
being
at
the
policy
on
tap
event.
D
What
happens
in
asheville
is
it?
It
can't
be
binary.
It
just
can't
be
development
and
economics
and
the
developers
on
the
panel,
and
it
can't
just
remain
the
same
meaning
the
rad
area,
as
some
people
in
the
audience
like
so
desperately
won,
and
I
think
that
the
tension
that
I
felt
and
that
was
in
the
room
actually
is
a
whole
lot
of
progress.
D
I
think
that
that's
a
signal
of
sustainable
development
and
progress
when
things
do
get
hard
and
we're
trying
to
balance
really
tough
positions
and,
and
what,
on
the,
I
guess
at
first
glance,
seem
like
really
impossible
positions
that
can't
go
together.
I
think
that
we
actually
do
have
a
path
forward,
because
those
people
were
all
in
the
room
together,
and
I
guess
related
to
that
is
just
that.
D
I
Good
morning,
everybody,
I
definitely
learned
a
lot
from
ann
yesterday
and
that
was
probably
number
one
number
two
was
all
of
the
new
stuff
happening
on
amboy
road.
I'm
pleasantly
surprised
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
great
spot
and
then
the
karen
craig
nolan
park
very
excited
about
that.
I
think
that
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
asset
to
that
area
and
and
to
all
of
us
and
the
whole
community.
C
Thanks,
christy
and
I'll
go
it's
hard
to
go
after
all,
you
very
smart.
C
C
I
had
never
met
him
before
in
person,
so
actually
meeting
him
in
person
and
sitting
in
that
small
room
listening
to
him
was
really
really
enlightening
and
inspiring,
and
something
that
we
have
talked
about
a
little
bit
over
the
years
is
the
diversity
within
our
own
commission
and
the
lack
of
it
I
should
say,
and
the
outreach
to
the
to
the
bipod
community,
especially
you
know
part
of
our
name,
is
the
redevelopment
commission
and
I
I
feel
like
that
community
could
really
use
some
support
in
in
in
helping
to
redevelop
an
area
that
was
once
thriving
with
black
owned
businesses.
C
So
I
would
like
to
see
the
commission
take
some
bold
steps
in
helping
that
community
develop
redevelop
that
area
in
a
sustainable
way
that
can
have
some
generational
positive
movement,
so
that
was
one
takeaway,
of
course
I
loved
anne's.
This
is
not
one
of
my
takeaways,
but
I'll
just
throw
it
in
there.
I
loved
ann's
presentation.
C
C
But
the
way
you
were
able
to
share
that
pretty
complex
information
in
20
minutes
was
was
really
powerful
and
I
thought
maybe
we
could
have
you
do
it
again
on
camera,
because
I
think
it
it
was
it's
something
that
we
could
share.
C
But
to
that
point
I
think
touring
for
me
touring
the
the
future
kc
park
was
really
impactful.
I
had
not
been
on
that
piece
of
land.
Ever
it's
been
fenced
as
fenced
in
as
long
as
I
can
can
remember,
and
without
having
anything
done
to
it's
just
a
really
beautiful
pastoral
piece
of
real
estate,
piece
of
land
and
I'm
so
glad
it's
in
your
hands
and
then
that's
not
going
to
be
developed
into
something
that
we
might
might
have
to
debate
over.
C
And
it's
it's
it's
exciting
to
see
that
that
happen
and
have
there
be
some
sort
of
a
realistic
timeline
on
that
and
the
third
thing
that
was
a
takeaway
that
I
had
it
was
from
the
policy
on
tap
the
panel,
and
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
the
projects
like
the
radical,
a
project
that
is
going
way
out
of
their
way
to
be,
in
my
opinion,
to
be
cool
and
to
fit
in.
C
I
worry
that
sometimes
those
really
kitschy
design
for
projects
might
completely
miss
the
mark
and
stain
the
actual,
authentic,
beautiful
organic
art.
That's
happening
within
the
district.
C
So
I'm
sorry
that's
kind
of
a
negative,
but
that
is
a
concern
and
something
that
I
picked
up
on
is
that
you
know
a
project
like
that:
hires,
a
new
york
designer
to
come
in
and
put
their
spin
on
what
they
think
that
that
project
would
would
need
to
fit
in
or
to
be
impactful
in
our
district
and
I've.
Never,
I
think
the
beauty
of
the
art
that's
being
produced
and
the
creativity
that's
being
produced
in
the
district.
So
far
that
I
can
see
has
been
very
organic
and
it's
been.
C
It's
been
people
collaborating
with
one
another
and
learning
from
one
another
by
trial
and
error,
and
so
that
type
of
over-the-top
development
concerns
me.
So
that
was
my
final.
My
final
point
there.
So
I
do
appreciate
again
everybody's
insight
and
I
think
these
notes
are
going
to
be
really
helpful
and
and
allowing
us
as
a
commission
to
come
together
and
create
some
strategic
priorities
for
this
upcoming
year.
C
So
steph,
I'm
wondering
in
the
effort
of
time.
I
know
that
we
missed
an
icebreaker.
Maybe
we
should
do
the
icebreaker
with
the
whole
commission,
but
the
icebreaker
was
to
to
tell
everybody
about
the
a
a
positive
experience
you
individually
have
had
with
a
body
of
water
outside
of
the
french
broad.
So
that
might
be
something
that
we
want
to
save
so
I'll
table
that
for
now,
but
I
thought
it
was
a
great
idea.
C
Steph
do
we
want
to
move
into
the
either
the
the
potential
boards
and
commission
restructure
or
the
project
planning?
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
go
into
the
commission
background
at
this
meeting.
Steph.
You
have
thoughts
there
or
david.
B
I
missed
the
first
part
of
the
meetings
yesterday
and
I
thought
on
the
agenda
that
was
going
to
be
discussed
some
at
that
point.
So
I
didn't.
Was
there
any
discussion
yesterday
before
lunch
about
the
the
change
in
the
commission?
B
A
So
I'll,
just
maybe
I'll
just
say
a
few
notes
and
then
maybe
we
will
get
into
project
planning,
since
there
are
at
least
two
people
in
this
meeting
that
have
to
leave
early.
So
we
have
a
small
group
today
and
I
dare-
and
I
appreciate
what
you
said
about
making
sure
that
all
the
commission
members
are
here
for
certain
conversations,
so
just
for
the
for
the
record,
since
the
meeting
is
being
recorded.
A
I
just
wanted
to
note
for
attendance
purposes
that
today
county
commissioner
parker
sloane
is
not
attending
city
councilwoman
sage
turner
is
not
attending.
Mr
ben
williamson
could
not
attend.
Mr
jeremy.
Goldstein
could
not
attend,
and
jim
mcallister
is
not
attending
and
that's
again
just
for
minute
purposes
and
what
have
you?
I
will
say
that,
instead
of
going
through
a
presentation,
I
was
going
to
have
with
you
all
that.
A
The
commission
did
start
meeting
in
may
of
2010,
but
the
commission
was
formed
after
more
than
one
year
period,
where
there
was
a
study
group
made
up
of
various
stakeholders
from
around
the
region,
convened
by
the
city
talking
about
what
we
should
do
next
for
the
river
and
so
that
history
of
the
study
group
and
the
formation
of
the
commission
really
will
help
us
understand
the
purpose
and
the.
Why?
A
Behind
behind
your
current
structure
and
to
ann's
point
with
her
type,
take
away
when
she
said,
I
really
think
we
should
kind
of
reconsider
the
scope
and
I
think
she
means
the
the
geographic
scope
and
what
we
focus
on.
You
know
that
that
conversation.
A
I
this
morning
I
was
looking
at
the
minutes
from
the
very
first
meeting
you
know
and
one
of
the
the
comments
made
by
one
of
the
attendees
was,
you
know:
hey,
yes,
let's
go
out
and
reach
out
to
black
mountain
and
some
other
folks
and
aft,
and
within
one
year
the
commission
changed
its
name.
A
So
we'll
go
through
more
of
that
that
type
of
stuff,
and
also
a
little
bit,
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
how
to
get
onto
uni
code
and
find
your
ordinance
and
really
be
able
to
pick
through
it
and
see
what
this
charter
says
about
your
group
and
then
the
third
thing
is
in
lieu
of
going
through
some
of
this
board
and
commission
proposal
restructure
right
now
I'll,
send
the
entire
commission
some
links
and
ask
that
people
look
at
a
couple
things
in
advance
of
our
next
meeting
so
that
we
can
have
a
an
efficient
discussion
about
it.
A
So
does
that
sound?
Okay,
we'll
do
all
of
those
things
at
our
next
meeting,
based
on
darren's
input
and
david's
support,
I
think
so,
and
what
we
could
do
if
darren
was
headed.
This
way
he's
looking
to
move
on
to
talking
about
your
ul's
kind
of
current
focus
area,
the
thing
that's
rising
to
the
top,
which
is
coming
out
of
the
public
safety
and
water
quality
committee.
C
C
I
C
I
was
gonna
say
for
the
past,
probably
six
weeks
or
so
steph
joe
and
ann,
and
I
have
met
virtually
to
discuss
as
what
we're
calling
a
kind
of
a
running
name.
A
a
water
quality
summit
and
I've
got
some
notes
from
of
our
meetings.
C
But
the
goal
of
this
summit
is
to
share
info
to
the
public
about
you
know
what
organizations
are
doing
and
to
share
the
information
that
was
just
released
from
the
303
d,
the
impaired
waters
list
that
that
anne
brought
up
in
her
her
presentation.
Yesterday
we
have
started
to
name
some
of
the
partners
that
we
would
like
to
see.
C
You
know
what
this,
what
this
panel
discussion
could
look
like.
Would
there
be
a
keynote
speaker
who
might
that
keynote
speaker
be
having
somebody
from
the
epa
discuss
the
actual
303d
impaired
waters
list,
and
what
does
that
mean
get
into
some
of
the
causes
and
treatments
of
of
of
the
impaired
waters?
C
And
that
would
be
the
part
one
of
of
this
summit
so
we're
thinking,
maybe
that
might
be
about
an
hour
and
a
half
a
part.
Two
would
be
talking
about
the
action
steps
at
that
point.
We
would
identify
the
partners
that
we'd
like
to
connect
with
we'd,
also
try
and
identify
funding
and
grant
opportunities
to.
F
F
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
okay,
that's
the
state
as
opposed
to
getting
somebody
to
come
from
atlanta,
which
I
could
try
to
do,
but
it
might
be
easier
and
better
to
have
landon
who
knows
the
area
and
has
been
working
here
and
certainly
has
more
relationship
with
all
of
us,
so
he
might
be
good
but
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
really
good
identifying
the
problem,
how
we
got
here
what
the
sources
are
like.
F
I
did
yesterday,
but
a
little
more
in
detail,
perhaps
and
some
ideas
what
people
are
doing
already,
some
of
them
not
excuse
me
nonprofits,
I
think
renee
fortner
from
riverlink
could
really
do
a
great
presentation
on
the
south
side
project
and
what
she's
doing
with
a
bunch
of
partners.
I
think
I
may
have
mentioned
that
mentioned
that
passing
quickly
yesterday
to
improve
water
quality
in
in
the
river,
but
also
the
quality
of
life
in
the
public
housing
area.
F
That's
just
upslope
from
the
river.
I
think
it's
a
great
project.
There
are
other
people
like
greenworks
and
mountain
true
and
others
that
we
might
bring
in
depending
on
our
time
and
interest.
I
think
it
also
might
be
very
interesting,
even
though
it
might
be
difficult.
Tim
fox
and
I
from
deq
were
talking.
F
I
have
been
trying
to
talk
to
the
soil
and
water
conservation
district
people
about
you
know
how
can
we
engage
with
the
agricultural
community
to
get
them
interested
in
the
issue
and
is
a
challenge
in
many
ways
because
of
the
complexity
of
their
lives
and
their
work
and
the
limited,
as
I
said
yesterday,
limited
area
they
have
to
to
farm,
but
that's
another
idea
and
weaving
in
the
economic
impact
study,
I
think,
would
be
a
benefit
because
then
you
tie
the
the
value
of
the
river
in
economics,
which
some
people
understand
and
appreciate
more
than
they
might
the
environmental
or
personal.
F
And
so
then
you
put
the
two
together
and
people
then
have
a
feeling
of
what,
whichever
area
you
might
be
interested
in.
You
have
a
knowledge
of
what
the
status
of
the
river
is
now
what
it
means
to
all
of
us
and
what
we
can
do
about
it.
So
I
think
those
were
real.
I
think
that
would
really
be
a
great
program.
Darren
thanks.
C
E
Great,
I
I
agree.
It's
a
good
thing
to
plan
towards
and
having
just
riverland
having
just
completed
the
central
asheville
watershed
plan
and
having
some
real
suggestions
for
for
things
to
implement
to
improve
our
storm
water
in
in
the
riverfront
area.
E
It's
I
mean
we
are
we
partnered
we
had
to
partner
with
people
to
get
grants
to
have
that
study
done,
and
I
know
the
pigeon
river
fund
was
was
helpful
to
us
and
I
don't
know
who
else
specifically,
but
you
know
that's
something.
That's
that's
that
we've
already
got
things
to
look
at,
but
that's
only
a
starting
place
for
the
the
whole
watershed,
but
we
we
might
as
well.
E
G
It
so
it's
a
stretch,
but
michael
regan,
you
know,
has
been
in
the
cloud
room
has
been
the
french
broad
he's
already.
You
know
he's
the
epa
director
for
the
federal
government
he's
in
north
carolina.
It
may
be
worth
a
shot
just
to
see
if
he's
ever
going
to
be
in
the
area.
C
So
I'm
going
to
echo
something
that
steph
said
yesterday
in
here.
I
won't
get
it
right,
but
in
your
panel
discussion,
but
it
just
was
kind
of
reigniting
the
community
to
recognize
that
you
know
there
there
are.
C
It
is
likely
going
to
take
community
involvement
and
and
likely
it
will
take
the
community
getting
educated
and
loud
and
make
it
a
priority
to
our
elected
officials
to
actually
devote
the
time
and
resources
to
this
to
this
issue,
and
it
it's
not
like
this
issue
is
going
to
correct
itself.
This
is
not
one
of
these
things.
That's
just
gonna
happen
on
its
own
that
it's
gonna
take
the
community,
the
non-profits,
the
the
city
council,
the
county
commission,
to
actually
make
it
a
priority.
C
So
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
we,
we
will
be
able
to
market
this,
and
I
think
that's
another
component
of
this-
that
we
have
to
discuss
about
as
a
commission
is
how
to
best
market
this
summit
to
the
public
so
that
they
feel
engaged
and
they
feel
a
a
responsibility
to
learn
and
get
involved.
So
that'll
be
something
too
that
we
all
as
a
commission,
have
to
use
our
networking
abilities
to
reach
out
and
get
it
on
blue
ridge
radio
and
have
somebody
from
wlos.
C
Maybe
talk
about
it
in
a
news
story
and
we're
gonna
have
to
use
all
of
our
networking
to
push
this
out.
There.
F
Would
we
want
to
do
this?
You
know
in
public
in
a
venue
where
people
could
participate
and
listen
and
engage.
I
mean
there's
some
attractiveness
for
me
to
that.
I'm
just
making
up
a
location
somewhere
in
new
belgium
or
somewhere,
where
we
can
be
outdoors,
but
it's
interesting
and
people
can
listen,
and
maybe
there
are
other
places
as
well,
but
that's
right
on
the
river,
so
it
popped
into
my
brain.
F
I
don't
know
what
others
are
thinking
it
just
seems
like
if,
if
we
could
work
towards
that
and
have
a
fallback,
it's
always
a
fallback.
It's
always
easy
to
be
online,
but
if
we
could
have
a
have
a
plan
to
do
it
live
in
person
that
I
think
would
have
more
impact
than
doing
it.
Hopefully,.
C
I
could
not
agree
more.
We
had
david's
steph
and
I
had
talked
about
some
possible
venues.
They
were
all
indoor
venues,
some
of
them
costing
money,
some
of
them
could
be,
could
be
done
without
any.
You
know
without
any
money,
but
I
love
the
idea
of
hosting
it
outdoors
new
belgium
might
be
a
perfect
spot
to
do
it
right
there
on
the
river
they're,
they're,
developing
or
they're
building,
if
they've
not
already
completed
their
their
covered
patio,
which
would
cover
that
contingency.
C
If,
if
it
were
raining
but
they've
always
been
a
very
willing
partner,
and
I
think
that
could
be
a
really
great
venue
just
to
shoot
for.
J
I
know
that
also,
I
think
tim
you're
getting
I'm
getting
feedback.
I
see
your
mic
must
be
open.
F
The
the
indoor
the
liquid
center,
no,
the
brew
house
has
me
you
know
multimedia
and
we've
used
that
in
the
past
for
a
couple
of
meetings
on
different
things.
F
That's
one
thing
that
in
fact
the
french
word
river
partnership
is
talking
about
having
our
annual
meeting
there
in
the
morning
sometime
in
the
fall
and
then
because
they
use
it
in
the
afternoon
for
tours
and
then
going
outside
to
the
to
their
new
expanded
or
their
covered
air
whatever
it
is,
and
you
know
likely
that
isn't
because
if
you
do
it,
if
we
did
it
during,
I
don't
know
what
you
were
thinking.
F
E
E
You
know
take
time
out
of
their
busy
busy
schedules
to
participate
in
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some,
you
know
lead
up
to
it
or
some
some
kind
of
I
don't
know
something
something
to
attract,
attract
people
to
to
wanting
to
participate
in.
F
You
know
joe
part
of
the
conversation
I
remember
as
having
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
more
like
may
than
fall,
and
then
we
were
thinking
and
that
would
be
tied
well
to
the
publication
of
the
impaired
waters
list
which
will
happen
in
may
in
this
recent
economic
impact
study.
So
we
were
at
that
moment.
We
we
were
in
my
mind
that
was
perfect
timing.
The
media
is
taking
starting
to
pay
attention.
F
E
F
Just
one
more
comment,
joe
because
you
just
reminded
me
of
something
the
economic
impact
study
is
going
to
be
presented
at
the
outdoor
economy
conference
on
april
6th,
so
that
would
have
again
been
another
lead
into
a
may
gathering,
because
we
could
have
harnessed
that
energy,
but
but
yeah
you're
right.
We
didn't
talk
about
that
and
we
did
talk
about
the
outfitters
darren.
We
need
to
put
them
back
on
the
list.
F
C
I
think
we
pushed
it
out
a
little
bit
because
we
didn't
think
we
would
be
able
to
put
it
together
by
may,
but
you
know
if,
if
we
can
do
it
by
may
then
I
support
that
if
you
think
there's
enough.
F
F
A
I'll
I'll
provide
some
comments
from
like
a
staff
perspective
or
city
perspective.
Is
that
all
right,
so,
okay?
The
first
thing
is
just
a
reminder
that
councilwoman
turner
and
commissioner
parker
sloan
are
not
here.
A
Parker
sloane
is
a
part
of
your
subcommittee,
but
what
I
think
would
make
a
lot
of
sense,
especially
with
this
board
and
commission
restructure
conversation
happening,
which
part
of
the
impetus
for
that
is
to
really
get
clear
about
what
boards
and
commissions
need
to
be
doing
and
how
there's
a
connection
to
city
council
priorities.
A
Let
me
let
me
reframe
this.
I
think
you
need
to
talk
to
sage
and
parker
and
get
an
understanding
of
how
much
support
there
is
from
the
city
and
county
for
this
to
be
a
city
and
county
sponsored
activity
versus
more
of
a
partnership
or
civic
engagement
that
you
all
are
going
to
do
with
a
lot
of
other
stakeholders,
mountain
true
and
riverlink.
A
That
is
also
going
to
determine
the
level
of
participation
that
I'm
going
to
have
one
of
the
things.
Just
as
a
reminder.
My
input
originally
on
having
something
in
may
was
that
you
know
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
be
in
charge
of
creating
the
marketing
plan
or
doing
you
know
the
outreach
for
all
these
things
anyway.
But
as
far
as
to
be
able
to
facilitate
some
of
your
conversations
that
are
happening.
A
I
I
know
that
I,
with
my
position
right
now
and
having
so
many
staff
vacancies,
would
not
be
able
to
provide
you
sufficient
support
for
this
to
get
off
the
ground
in
may.
A
You
will
need
to
gather
other
resources,
and
one
of
the
conversations
that
we
had
in
the
small
group
that
I
think
is
important
to
flesh
out
more
is
to
make
a
list
of
what
those
resources
are.
So,
if
you
think
of
this
as
something
that
the
community
would
put
on
for
free,
it
needs
to
be
scaled
appropriately.
A
And
what
I
mean
by
is
that
that
all
it's
going
to
be
all
volunteer
effort,
you're
going
to
put
on
a
summit,
and
it's
not
going
to
cost
anybody
anything
to
get
there
and
you're
going
to
try
to
find
a
free
space
and
you're
going
to
shoe
string
of
marketing.
Like
then,
then,
it
just
needs
to
be
scaled
appropriately,
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is:
who
are
you
trying
to
attract
to
this?
A
Getting
back
to
joe's
comments
right
so
earlier
we
heard
you
talk
about
equity
and
about
engaging
some
communities
like
the
south
side
community
right.
So
if
you
wanted
members
of
the
south
side
community
to
come,
if
you
wanted
members
of
the
weekend
community
to
come
folks
that
are
near
some
of
these
areas,
places
in
oakley
or
what
have
you
the?
A
What
I
know
from
a
best
practice
in
public
participation
is
that
you
provide
those
people
stipends,
and
you
provide
those
people
if
you're
going
to
ask
them
to
come
to
a
multi-hour
activity.
You
do
make
sure
that
there's
refreshments
and
food
and
beverages
that
are
there
for
for
them
so
that
they
don't
have
to
worry
about
those
things
in
their
day-to-day
busy
lives.
A
A
So
again,
resources
you'll
want
to
grab
someone
who
has
a
background
in
marketing
and
create
a
marketing
plan,
even
if
it's
just
for
you
know,
even
though
this
is
a
small
event,
that's
the
professional
way
to
do
it
and
that
marketing
plan
will
have
as
an
outcome
a
list
of
different
things
that
you
might.
You
might
need
you
guys
are
also
ann
mentioned
this.
You
need
to
think
about
the
space
you
want
and
I'm
very
likely
it
could
cost
money.
A
You
know,
how
are
you
going
to
manage
all
of
that
so.
A
C
G
I
think
it's
it
did
occur
to
me
that
if
you
can,
it
might
be
good
to
talk
to
vic
and
see
if
the
tda
can
buy
into
the
that
the
river
is
a
problem
and
that's
you
know
it's
if
they're
marketing
the
river
that
maybe
they
have
to
be
ahead
of
the
problem
rather
than
the
other
way
around
and
obviously,
if
there's
funding,
that's
always
the
golden
goose
and
you
know
grab
it
because
it
sounds.
I
agree
with
what
steph
is
saying
it's
good
to
have
sponsorship.
G
G
I
understand
the
may
thing
because
that's
when
the
the
bad
news
is
going
to
come
out
and
having
led
neighborhood
groups
anytime,
there's
a
crime
problem,
you
get
people
showing
up,
so
bad
news
brings
people
out,
but-
and
I
don't
know
how
long
that
story
will
run.
So,
that's
a
question.
You
know
whether
how
long's
people's
interest
in
the
problem
we'll
stay
on
it,
but
that's
my
two
cents
for
three
cents.
F
I
have
mentioned
this
to
vic,
not
this
meeting
that
we're
just
now
talking
about,
but
the
fact
that
we
do
need
to
have
a
conversation
and
she
knows
about
the
economic
impact
and
the
impaired
waters,
because
I've
told
her
about
that
and
conversations
I've
had
over
the
last
month
or
six
weeks.
So
I
think
you
know
I
wasn't
even
thinking
about
this
meeting,
but
I
said
I
would
really
be.
I
would
love
to
get
developers
hoteliers
the
electeds.
F
You
know
the
the
environmental
and
community
members
together
to
have
a
conversation
about
the
issue
and
what
we're
gonna,
what
we
can
do
about
it.
That
was
a
recent
thought
I
shared
with
her,
but
I
haven't
heard
anything
back,
but
at
least
she's
thinking
about
it
tim
at
least
she's.
Aware
of
it.
F
Let
me
say-
and
in
fact
yesterday,
when
we
were
at
the
I
had
to
leave
early
because
we
had
a
board
meeting
at
riverlink
last
night,
but
at
the
beginning,
when
I
saw
vic
come
in,
I
told
her
that
I
would
be
sending
her
the
information
about
the
impact
study
and
that
it
was
a
big
number.
So
I
appreciate
and
agree
with
you
tim
about
getting
tda
involved.
I
think
they
have
a
big
audience
and
certainly
funding
and
interest.
They
should
have
interest
anyway.
A
C
Would
it
be
appropriate
for
the
riverfront
commission
to
draft
a
a
press
release.
E
E
D
I
have
a
comment
I
am,
I
don't
know
how
much
of
a
surprise
this
all
is
for
anyone
who's,
paying
attention
to
the
river,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
a
summit
and
I
think,
about
public
presentations,
I
like
the
idea
of
inviting
the
outfitters
and
like
people
from
riverland
and
all
that
like,
but
they
already
know
all
this
and
they
already
care
like.
How
are
we
going
to
be
creative
about
reaching
out
to
the
people
who
will
care
or
once
they
know
more?
I
guess
I'm
just.
D
D
I'm
just
encouraging
us
to
maybe
think
about
that,
because
that
is
where
we're
going
to
actually
move
the
needle,
because
the
needle
has
already
been
moved
as
far
as
we
can
move
it
based
on
like
who
we
know
and
like
who
already
cares
about
the
river
or
has
like
an
economic
interest
in
the
river
because
they
take
people
out
on
rafts.
So
just
want
to
put
that
out.
There
too.
F
F
I
mean
if
you
talk
to
the
just
again,
as
I
mentioned,
the
farming
community,
they
get
water
for
their
animals
and
their
vegetables
and
whatever
else
they're
cultivating
from
the
river
in
large
part,
and
how
do
we
engage
them
in
a
conversation
that
has
meaning
and
benefit?
F
That's
a
big
challenge
and
people
who
don't
live
here
in
asheville.
How
do
we
engage
them
because,
whatever
we're
experiencing
they're
going
to
experience
given
a
few
more
years,
so
I
think
you're
right
about
not
talking
to
the
same
people
and
I
think
among
various
groups.
F
We
have
names
and
contacts
and
capacity
to
invite
and
there's
the
challenge
of
how
many
people
do
you
beat
over
the
head
and
how
many
people
do
you
invite
in
and
encourage
and
have
a
conversation,
that's
not
in
their
mind,
threatening
and
that
that's
a
that's
sort
of
a
nuanced
issue.
I
think
seth
probably
knows
how
to
do
that.
It's
not
one
of
my
strengths.
H
I
did
thanks.
H
I
just
want
to
reflect
the
earlier
comment
about
ways
that
conversations
like
these
can
be
convened
intentionally
to,
I
guess
include
voices
that
are
not
necessarily
well
represented
at
the
table
currently,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point,
and
it
also
it
also
kind
of
begs
the
question
about
how
to
make
sure
that
these
sorts
of
convenings
and
conversations
are
not
just
happening
at
a
place
of
access
for
a
lot
of
people
at
one
space
at
one
time,
but
also
whether
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
a
good
job
of
meeting
folks
where
they
are
anyway
and
knowing
that
the
rivershed
does
definitely
extend
past.
H
Just
the
river
arts
district.
Maybe
there's
some
room
to
talk
about,
facilitating
these
conversations
on
the
ground
in
multiple
places
over
time
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
meeting
folks
in
community
and
not
asking
everyone
to
show
up
at
a
space.
That's
maybe
familiar
to
this
commission,
but
less
so
to
folks
on
other
parts
of
the
river
shed.
So
just
a
thought.
A
C
Let's
see
so
next
on
the
agenda,
we're
really
jumping
around
here
in
an
effort
to
expedite
the
meeting
and
make
sure
everybody
has
time
for
the
entire
meeting.
But.
C
E
I
I'd
like
to
just
say
that
I
really
enjoyed
hearing
jay
hackett
talk
yesterday.
I
didn't
hear
him
in
the
afternoon,
but
I
heard
him
in
the
morning
and
you
know
hearing
him
speak
about.
E
E
And
I
think
if
we
want
them
to
participate
and
would
like
their
input,
we
need
to
to
really
have
you
know
a
better
understanding
of
how
to
do
that
and
how
to
make
that
outreach
and
in
a
way
that
would
attract
them
and
not
and
not
push
them
away
from
something
that
either
they
don't
think
is
relevant
or
or
or
that
they.
In
other
words,
we
need
to
respect.
You
know
what
they
can
bring
to
us
and
and
invite
their
their
input.
And
I
don't
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that.
E
You
know
on
the
banks
of
the
river,
you
know
in
several
places
and
it's
it's.
I
think
we'd
all
feel
better
if
if
they
were
more
included
and-
and
I
mean
just
little
things
like
the
they
didn't
want
to
change
the
name
of
nasty
branch,
they
wanted
it
to
be
nasty
right.
It
always
had
been
nasty
branch,
so
you
know
we
need
to
know
things
that
so
that
we
don't
push
them
away
further.
E
We
want,
we
want
to
include
them
and
know
what
what
their,
what
their
thoughts
and
their
and
their
participation,
what
what
would
participation
look
like
to
them
anyway?
That
was
one
thing
that
I
I
wanted
to
add.
D
H
I
just
want
a
second
bat.
I
think
it
is
really
important
and
a
value
that
should
really
be
central
to
a
lot
of
these
outreach
conversations
that
we're
having
as
a
board-
and
I
too
really
appreciated
hearing
those
suggestions
from
jay
yesterday
morning
and
another
nod
to
staff.
H
I
think
it
would
be
really
great
if
in
the
future,
as
we're
trying
to
have
these
conversations
about
how
to
plan
something
that
really
includes
a
lot
of
very
critical,
neighbor
and
community
feedback
that
perhaps
we
figure
out
a
way
to
loop,
neighborhood
services
and
folks
who
are
connected
with
neighbors
and
community
members
on
the
ground,
really
closely
community
centers,
faith-based
communities
etc
into
this
work,
so
that
we
can
be
making
sure
we're
offering
the
most
kind
of
inclusive
accessible
framework.
For
these
conversations
as
possible.
F
F
We
tried
to
have
a
resilience
community
input
session
right
before
and
during
covid
and
unfortunately,
it
got
impacted
by
covid,
but
you
know,
I
know
that
you
you're
just
really
talking
about
a
totally
different
level
of
effort
and
everybody
in
this
group
is
going
to
have
to
be
willing
to
really
pull
hard
push
hard,
dig
hard
and
spend
a
ton
more
time.
F
And
so
the
question
from
my
perspective
is
what
we:
what
do
we
want
as
far
as
an
outcome
from
this
summit,
if
we're
talking
about
people's
thoughts
and
feelings
about
something
or
other,
that's
really
great.
But
what
does
that
get
us?
And
how
do
we
act?
So
I
think
everybody
has
to
be
well
I'll,
just
say:
I'm
realistic
and
and
I'm
a
very
concrete
kind
of
person
and
my
whole
last
five
or
six
years
at
epa.
F
We
did
a
lot
of
community
meetings
around
the
region,
they're
very
challenging,
and
they
take
a
lot
a
lot
of
time.
So
just
my
two
cents
about
that.
D
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
anne.
Thank
you.
I
think
that
this
larger
conversation
has
to
do
with
the
summit,
but
also
more
generally,
about
the
commission
itself
and
how
we're
communicating
and
our
outreach
and
everything
so.
C
Well,
I
would
like
to
just
add
that
the
wesley
grant
center
has
a
amazing
little
auditorium
with
a
stage
which
could
be
a
fantastic
place
to
to
hold
part
of
the
summit
or,
as
I'm
even
sitting
here,
I'm
thinking
if
we
go
live
with
our
commission
meetings,
since
we
don't
really
have
a
well.
C
I
know
there
was
talk
about
having
it
at
the
city,
but
maybe
steph,
there's
a
way
to
hold
our
commission
meetings
remotely
around
around
the
city
and
in
places
like
the
wesley
grant
auditorium,
to
make
a
real
effort
to
bring
the
discussion
to
the
area.
C
C
Just
a
thought
because
they
do
have
a
wonderful
space
and
I,
in
my
opinion
it
seems
to
be
underutilized
for
holding
real
conversations,
and
I
think
that
that
gesture
could
be
the
kind
of
thing
we
need
to
to
show.
As
a
as
a
group.
E
Well,
there's
also
the
eddington
center
in
their
outdoor
pavilion,
which
I
had
a
little
hand
in
for
for
a
smaller
group.
I
mean
it
couldn't
take
a
huge
group,
but
it's
outdoors
and
it's
read
by
their
community
garden,
which
is
successful
and
anyway
that's
another
place
that
we
could
utilize
and,
I
think,
we'd
be
welcome.
I
know
we'd
be
welcomed.
There.
A
It
sounds
like
this
is
a
continuing
conversation
and
I
am
going
to
take
all
of
your
comments
and
go
through
ones
that
you
know
maybe
city
staff
can
help
address,
and
also
through
the
provision
of
resources
and
some
core
services
that
we
already
provide,
such
as
the
neighborhood
services
that
samantha
mentioned
and
or
through
our
equity
office
and
some
of
our
other
professional
capacities
in
the
organization.
A
C
C
Is
there
any
other?
Are
there
any
other
discussion
items
that
we
need
to
go
through
steph
before
we
before.
A
You
it
sounds
like
well,
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
few
things
that
we're
going
to
push
to
the
next
agenda.
As
far
as
some
you
know,
team
building
exercises,
and
I
I
think
that
there's
no
business
that
you
all
were
voting
on
today,
so
that
you
could
feel
good
in
a
journey.
C
C
E
Well,
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
that
our
smaller
group
that's
been
looking
at
these
issues.
You
know
meet
sometime
before
our
next
commission
meeting
to
try
to
focus
our
you
know
into
what
we
can
do
and
I
also
want.
I
wanted
to
mention
that
steph
stephanie
has
brought
on
some
new
helpers,
some
of
whom
we
met
yesterday
carly,
I
think
I
mean.
Maybe
she
could
I
mean
if
steph
doesn't
personally
have
time.
E
Maybe
she's
got
someone
else
on
her
team
that
could
fill
in
some
would
welcome
some
new,
a
new
challenge.
E
Anyway,
darren,
why
don't
you
send
out
or
why
don't
we
make
a
time
for
a
meeting,
so
we
can,
at
least
in
our
smaller
group,
continue
to
focus
our
next
effort.
A
Your
just
as
a
reminder,
your
next
riverfront
commission
meeting,
is
actually
coming
up
pretty
fast
since
we're
doing
this
retreat
or
annual
work
session
at
the
end
of
the
month.
Your
next
aarrc
meeting
is
april
14th,
so.
A
A
And
I
would
say
that
on
that
agenda,
just
what
it
sounds
like
to
me:
I'm
not
sure
that
this
is
correct,
but
what
I'm
hearing
is
there
may
be
some
kind
of
desire
to
have
something
in
may
or
to
rethink,
who
you
all
are
trying
to
reach
and
at
what
time
you
need
to
reach
them.
E
I
just
want
to
say
I
can't
make
it
on
the
31st.
We
had
a
death
in
our
family
and
I'll
be
away
that
day.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you.
Everybody
looks
like
we
lost
david,
so
it's
10
14
and
I'd
like
to
adjourn
this
meeting.