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A
B
Hey
sasha
before
we
get
started,
I'm
trying
to
notice
has
karen
joined
the
meeting?
No,
yes,
so
we
have
a
small
issue
that
we
don't
have
a
quorum
right,
so
we
can
we're
we're
expecting
to
have
a
quorum.
I
think
as
soon
as
karen
joins
right,
so
I
think
we
can
go
forward
with
the
presentation,
but
in
terms
of
making
recommendations
you
know
we.
Ideally
we
would
have.
B
Yes,
it's
a
nine
person
committee.
Eight
seats
filled,
so
we
still
need
a
majority,
so
we
still
need
five
out
of
eight.
So
for
those
folks
who
are
just
joining
us
new.
We
just
received
word
from
three
of
our
commissioners
this
morning
that
for
different
reasons,
they
are
unable
to
attend
or
unlikely
to
attend.
We
had
one
who
might
join
late,
one
who,
if
their
wi-fi
improved,
would
try
to
join
and
then
a
third
who
was
was
unable
to
attend
it
all
so
we're
hoping
that
we
can
get
our
fifth
member
here.
A
She
can
phone
in
and
I
did
not
send
a
message
to
steven
lee.
I
don't
know
if.
B
You
did
or
I
I
can
try
to
see-
let's
see,
I'm
not
sure
if
he
had.
B
D
A
A
A
D
B
B
B
B
B
Thank
you
for
joining
us,
stephen
lee.
We
appreciate
it.
Okay,
jane
we've
got
a
quorum
if
you'd
like
to
kick
things
off.
Okay,.
A
Well
good
afternoon,
I'm
jane
matthews,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
june
3rd
2021
design,
review
committee.
This
is
information.
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
with
eight
appointed
members
currently
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
districts.
A
A
A
A
And
enter
code
9410
when
you
get
to
the
public
comment
section
later
in
the
meeting,
you
may
dial
the
same
number
and
press
star
3.
for
those
of
you
out
there
who
have
joined
us
today.
Welcome
I'd
like
to
begin
by
calling
the
roll
call
and
introduce
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
and
ask
you
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
you
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done.
A
Speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello
and
okay
vice
chair
robin
reigns
good
morning
good
morning,
karen
craig
nolan.
C
F
H
A
A
I
I
will
note.
According
to
the
staff
I
mean
we
have
five
members
present
currently
right
or
we
have
more
than
85
that
it
will
take
for
the
level
two
hotel
review
when
we
move
to
a
vote.
If
we
only
have
five
members
present,
we
will
need
all
five
members
to
move
it
along
or
else
it
will
need
to
go
to
city
council
for
review,
and
it
is
the
applicant's
right
to
request
a
to
put
this.
A
You
delay
the
vote
until
a
later
time
or
bring
it
back
at
another
meeting.
So
when
we
get
to
that
point,
if
the
applicant
wants
to
do
that,
just
to
let
me
know,
I
think
I've
got
that
right.
So
that's
correction,
I'm
add.
B
Living
here,
yeah,
no,
that's
correct!
So
we
because
it
requires
all
five
members
present
to
vote
in
favor
of
the
project
to
meet
the
requirement
to
skip
council
review.
B
If
it
looks
like,
I
would
recommend-
maybe
perhaps
taking
a
straw
poll
at
that
time
after
some
discussion.
If
it's
not
apparent
and
if
it
looks
like
they're,
we
don't
have
the
votes
for
whatever
reason,
then
I
think
we
ask
if
they
would
like
to
continue
to
the
following
month.
A
A
To
help
the
audience
follow
along
I'll,
say
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
If
there
is
a
vote
to
be
taken.
Additionally,
I
ask
that
committee
members
raise
their
hands
to
speak
and
I
will
call
upon
them.
We
will
begin
with
our
administrative
items
in
any
unfinished
business.
So
our
first
administrative
item
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
may
20th,
2021.
A
Okay,
second
by
brian
moffatt,
all
those
in
favor,
oh
I'll,
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Jeremy,
goldstein.
I
F
A
Second,
item
on
our
agenda
is
unfinished
business,
which
is
adoption
of
rules
and
procedure
for
this
committee.
Has
everybody
had
a
chance
to
review
those?
We
were
given
them
at
the
last
meeting
and
if
so,
if
there
are
any
comments
or
changes
or
revisions
that
need
to
happen
at
this
point
or
a
motion
to
approve,
as
submitted
by
staff,.
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D
G
A
A
So,
moving
on
to
new
business
portion
of
our
agenda,
we
have
four
projects
seeking
formal
design
review.
We
will
take
these
cases
in
the
order
that
they
appear
on
the
agenda.
Staff
will
kick
things
off
with
a
short
presentation,
after
which
the
applicant
or
their
design
team
members
will
be
invited
to
speak
once
presentations
are
done.
We
will
also
pause
to
take
any
public
comment.
A
I
don't
know.
Thank
you,
chair
matthews.
I
I
will
present
the
two
level
one
projects.
If
karen
craignolan
is
listening,
I
texted
you
the
phone
number.
She
tried
to
come
in
on
the
public
input
number,
but
that's.
We
don't
really
use
that
number
for
participating
in
meetings,
so
I
sent
her
the
google
invite
number
via
text.
So
our
first
project
is
57
robert
street.
I
will
share
my
screen
now.
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A
A
A
It
is
currently
a
vacant
piece
of
land,
it's
only
0.12
acres
and
the
proposal,
and
so
here's
some
also
context
photos
for
buildings
that
are
in
the
area,
and
this
is
a
view
here
looking
down
robert
street,
so
the
proposal
is
for
a
three-story,
brick
building.
There
is
a
basement
on
the
rear.
As
you
know,
the
land
does
fall
away.
A
It's
calling
for
it's
a
masonry
building
with
a
tan,
brick,
veneer
and
cmu
on
the
sides
and
rear.
That's
painted
the
same
similar
color
to
this
brick
veneer
gooseneck
lamps.
You
can
see,
I
will
zoom
in
a
little
bit
here
for
you.
There
are
metal,
I
believe,
steel
canopies
over
both
doors,
limestone
lentils
and
headers
on
these
windows,
black
aluminum
window,
casings
and
storefront
windows.
A
A
This
is
the
basement
area.
This
is
robert
street
on
the
right.
There's
a
driveway
that
comes
off
robert
street
and
you
turn
into
an
under
you,
know,
kind
of
under
the
in
the
building
parking
area,
and
then
part
of
it
is
outside.
A
There's
a
small
gallery
space
on
the
first
floor
and
then
the
second
and
third
floors
are
residential.
The
second
floor
is
two
units,
and
the
top
floor
is
one
unit.
A
A
A
There
is
some
small
equipment
on
the
rooftop
that
is
screened
by
a
parapet.
There
are
two
street
trees
being
planted.
I
believe
there's
service
berries
which
are
appropriate
and
edibles
and
in
season
now,
if
anyone
wants
to
go
pick,
there
are
windows
on
the
south,
facade
and
and
not
any
on
the
north
facade,
as
the
understanding
is
that
the.
A
There
is,
you,
know,
fenestration
and
a
deck
on
the
third
floor,
and
I
will
I'm
happy
to
stop
there
and
I
think
my
staff
report
sums
it
up
and
I
don't
know
if
promise
the
architect
would
like
to
make
any
comments.
Now.
F
F
You
hit
you
hit
everything,
the
owners
are
local
and
they
are
artists,
so
they
are
excited
about
helping
this
area
and
kind
of
rejuvenating
it
and
keeping
a
gallery
too
everyone's
an
artist
so
having
a
gallery.
A
Thank
you
sasha.
Thank
you,
thomas
thanks
and
I'll
open
up
for
discussion
among
the
committee
members,
new
comments.
A
I'll
offer
one
comment:
you
know
that
I
haven't
and
looking
at
it
a
second
time,
and
that
is
just
the
use
of
a
tan
brick.
It's
just
not
doesn't
seem
compatible
to
the
street
facades
and
the
existing
buildings
on
robert
street,
which
are
all
brown
red
brick
buildings
and
where
tan
is
it's
painted
brick
or
it's
the
back
side
of
a
building
like
on
an
alley,
and
so
it's
not
a
common
material.
And
that's
the
only
thing
I
would.
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A
F
D
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F
Talked
to
the
client
about
that,
and
as
they
would
be
open,
but
they
really
love
this
color,
and
the
idea
was
that
klingman,
I
thought
had
a
little
more
flexibility
and,
like
jeremy
mentioned,
we
didn't
want
to
we're
not
there
to
make
it
look
exactly
like
the
buildings
next
door.
We
had
one
of
the
x
add
a
little
variety,
so
that's
kind
of
why
we
I
we
went
with
that.
J
I'm
sorry
jane
I'm
trying
to
look
up
the
river
arts
guidelines
for
that.
So.
C
A
A
Yeah,
when
I
was
reviewing
this
project,
I'm
sorry,
jeremy,
I
did
look
at
you-
know:
patty
torno's
buildings
down
there
on
river
arts,
place
and
they're
tan,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
those
were
painted
or
original,
you
know
kind
of
a
wider,
even
bright,
a
little
lighter
than
this
brick.
But
I.
D
C
I
mean
my
my
opinion
would
be
natural
brick
of
I
guess.
The
color
is
less
important
to
me.
The
fact
that
we're
using
natural
unpainted
brick
seems
to
be
a
good
design
choice
and
the
fact
that
there's
a
lot
of
red
brick
that
may
have
been
what
was
available
at
the
time
if
those
older
buildings
were
built,
but
I
don't
think
it's
incompatible.
But
again,
that's
just
my
opinion.
K
Hello,
this
is
rachel
larson
from
park
square,
hi,
sasha,
jane
and
many
other
people
that
devote
so
much
of
your
time
to
making
our
community
beautiful.
I
guess
I
had
one
question
about
the
height
of
the
building
with
the
parapet.
K
It's
definitely
a
more
modern
look
than
some
of
the
other
buildings
I
do
enjoy.
You
know
kind
of
more
eclectic,
but
I
I
don't
mind
the
lighter
color,
so
I
do
like
that.
Thank
you
for
your.
A
Comments
thanks
staff.
Are
there
any
concerns
about
the
height
in
relation
to
the
form
based
code?
I
am
looking
as
fast
as
I
can
to
see
what
the
height
limit
is.
I
will
tell
you
all
that
I
don't
do
a
zoning
review.
I
am
just
doing
just
some.
K
A
The
overall
height
when
adjacent
to
residentially,
zoned
property,
is
three
stories
or
45
feet.
So
that's
the
zoning
code
and
I
believe,
obviously
it's
three
stories
and
45
feet
seems
like
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
extra
room
for
parapets
thomas.
Does
that
sound
like
the
total
height
of
your
building
from
the
front
door.
F
F
And
I
think
we're
about
45..
I
think
we're
allowed
four
stories
up
with
a
setback.
Possibly
I
don't
know
that's
I
don't
that's
true
or
not,
but
I
right
now
we're
at
43
in
just
three
stores.
A
E
A
C
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
second,
a
second
okay?
Thank
you,
robin
I'll
call
the
call
the
question
vice
chair,
robin
reigns:
hi,
okay,
did
karen
cognolan
join
no
okay,
jeremy
goldstein.
D
G
E
A
A
Sorry,
let
me
so
the
second
project
is
at
240
clingman
avenue,
and
this
is
in
an
existing
building.
That's
a
part
of
a
set
of
brick
buildings
built
in
the
40s.
A
A
So
this
committee
is
just
concerned
with
the
external
changes
and
I
did
not.
I
didn't
pull
up
a
street
view,
but
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
For
you
all
the
front
of
this,
this
is
the
old
jonas
gerard
studio
space
and
currently
so,
if
you
see
here
on
this
plan,
these
windows
and
the
door,
those
are
all
staying
exactly
the
same,
and
my
understanding
and
I'll.
Let
matt
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
My
understanding
is
that
this
is
the
location
of
the
current
kind
of
white
roll-up
garage
door.
A
A
These
two,
I
think,
it's
just
one
door
but
all
glass
and
then
adding
a
new
aluminum
storefront
door.
This-
and
I
should
have
said
this
for
the
last
project
too.
Both
of
these
went
to
the
river
commission
as
well.
Just
for
review
it
says
this
came
in
later
in
I
think
in
april,
and
so
it
has
not
been
to
any
informal
reviews,
but
it's
a
fairly
small
project.
A
I
No
just
it
will
be
in
fact,
two
doors
there.
I
can
say
that
the
client's
very
interested
in
maintaining
and
the
landlord
are
interested
in
maintaining
the
historic
character
of
the
building,
and
we
feel
that
the
doors
that
we
have
proposed
are
adding
aesthetic
value.
They
will
certainly
increase
light
into
the
building
and
the
though
this
isn't
about
use,
but
we
do
feel
that
the
use
the
new
use
of
the
building
will
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
of
the
community
there.
So
that's
really
all.
A
I
Yes,
one
will
open
up
to
a
future
retail
space,
small
retail
space,
the
other
the
door
to
the
left
lines
up
with
a
loading
ramp
that
will
be
used
for
bringing
materials
in
and
out.
I
I
Correct
correct
yeah,
those
are
it
was
that
the
that
is
historically
a
loading
bay
right
there,
and
that
was
what
it
was
used
for.
Originally.
A
Thank
you,
dude
I'd.
C
Again,
we've
already
heard
this
the
river
commission,
so
I'm
used
to
recommend
approval
of
the
storefront
changing
240
clement
avenue
extension
is
presented
based
on
the
site
plans,
elevations
and
materials
submitted,
and
discussions
heard
during
this
review
and
find
that
the
project
meets
the
intent
of
the
river
district
design
review
guidelines.
A
A
second
I'll
second,
second,
by
robin,
reigns
I'll
call
the
roll
jeremy
goldstein.
C
G
A
B
B
B
So
if
you
need
me
to
pause,
please
just
speak
up
and
if
you
have
any
questions
so
as
madam
chair
had
indicated,
this
is
a
new
project
located
at
159
and
144
riverside
drive
the
this
is
actually
two
parcels.
The
entire
project
area
includes
two
parcels.
The
larger
parcel
is
just
under
three
acres
located
on
the
east
side
of
the
road.
This
is
where
the
majority
of
the
development
and
construction
will
occur
and
then
there's
a
smaller
parcel.
B
The
project's
been
through
technical
reviews
been
through
informal
review,
as
well
as
review
with
the
asheville
area.
Riverfront
redevelopment
commission
technical
review
identified
that
the
project
complies
with
most
of
the
forum
code
standards
that
would
apply
to
the
project.
There
are
just
a
couple
well,
I
should
point
out
that
there's
a
few
that
don't
comply,
but
it's
primarily
rooted
in
some
physical
constraints
that
are
associated
with
the
property.
B
The
the
project
includes
the
preservation
of
the
existing
mill
building
and
smokestack,
and
this
will
be
incorporated
into
the
new
construction,
and
so
this
mill
building
kind
of
creates,
like
a
little
bit
of
a
pinch
point
here
at
the
north
end,
we
also
have
some
overhead
utilities
that
kind
of
run
along
the
south
end
of
the
159
property.
That
that's.
Why
you
see
this
little
jog
in
the
building?
B
It's
it's
a
very
long
kind
of
linear
building,
but
it
does
have
a
little
bit
of
interest
in
this
jog,
but-
and
you
know
that
kind
of
creates
an
interesting
design
effect,
but
it's
it's
actually
primarily
based
in
this.
You
know
by
the
the
conflict
with
these.
You
overhead,
excuse
me
overhead
utility
lines,
so
we
have
as
a
result
of
these
constraints.
We've
got
a
couple
exceptions
related
to
the
planting
strip
located
on
the
north
end.
We
normally
require
six
feet.
This
is
approximately
four
feet.
We
also
have
a
setback.
B
The
setback
exceeds
the
maximum
allowed
in
the
district.
Just
only
slightly
and
again
it's
because
of
this
utility
conflict.
The
surface
parking
across
the
street
at
144
just
barely
encroaches
into
the
minimum
setback
for
parking
on
the
opposite
side
kind
of,
in
that
most
southern
corner
there
closest
to
the
road.
B
The
driveway
width
also
exceeds
the
maximum
allowed
and
normally
that's
24
feet.
I
I'm
not
sure
if
the
26
feet
that
is
shown
is
really
necessary
or
if
that's
just
something
that
the
designers
just
kind
of
went
with,
but
so,
if
that
could
be
modified
to
bring
it
down
to
24
feet
that
would
comply.
But
if
there's
a
compelling
reason
to
keep
the
26
feet,
then
that's
something
that
can
be
considered
as
an
exception,
as
this
project
moves
through
the
conditional
zoning
process.
B
B
This
zoning
district
has
a
maximum
story
height
of
five
stories,
which
would
include
any
above
ground
parking
podiums.
So
it's
about
controlling
the
visual
impact
of
the
structure,
so
we
would
count
anything
that's
sort
of
above
ground
and
that's
kind
of
described
in
the
code,
so
we
have
a
ground
level
parking
podium
and
then
we've
got
five
stories
above
that,
and
I
will
talk
through
that
a
little
bit
more
when
I
get
to
the
building
elevations.
B
But
while
I'm
on
the
site
plan,
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
that
there
is
an
exception
also
for
the
maximum
building
length.
This
is
a
fairly
long
building
facade,
it's
largely
driven
by
the
the
shape
of
the
lot
it's
kind
of
long
and
thin,
and
it
does
exceed
the
maximum
building
length
without
having
a
puncture
a
punctuation
through
the
building.
B
So,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
phone
form
code
standards,
it
gives
a
couple
options
where
the
parking
podium
is
allowed
to
be
continuous
across
the
entire
length
of
the
building,
but
for
the
stories
that
are
above
the
parking
podium,
they
give
you
two
options.
One
is
to
do
a
like
a
15
by
15
opening
that
can
have
stories
above,
but
it's
an
opening
to
air
and
light
that
allows
movement
through
the
building
or
you
could
just
sort
of
take
that
entire
section
out
and
that's
described
in
the
form
code.
This
project
includes
those.
B
So
these
are
the
renderings.
Here
we
go
so
here
you
see
the
what
should
be
every
200
feet.
You
should
have
an
opening,
so
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
is
to
glass
it
in
so
it's
it's
in
one
sense
open
to
light,
but
not
open
to
air,
and
so
it
doesn't
kind
of
punctuate
and
go
all
the
way
through.
So
it
technically
doesn't
comply.
I
think
they're
trying
to
meet
the
intent
to
some
degree,
but
I
think
that's
a
question
for
the
the
committee
to
to
wrestle
with
and
then
story
height.
B
Oh.
If
you
look
at
the
overall
elevation,
you've
got
five
stories
for
approximately
maybe
half
of
the
structure
and
then
you've
got
four
stories
on
the
ends
and
the
it's,
because
we
have
a
very
tall
sort
of
retail
commercial
level
on
either
end
tall
enough
that
for
this
midsection
you
can
actually
fit
two
residential
stories
in
there.
B
You
can
also
see
here
from
the
building
elevation,
the
incorporation
and
the
renovation
of
the
existing
mill
building.
So
you
can
see
that
they're
hoping
to
kind
of
channel
most
of
the
pedestrian
activity
through
this
mill
building
as
sort
of
the
primary
entrance
to
the
project
area,
and
then
there
will
be
connection
up
to
the
upper
level.
This
project
actually
has
two
pedestrian
zones.
B
The
material
palettes
were
included.
I
think
I've
got
a
better
yep
here
we
go
here.
You
can
see
some
of
the
materials
that
are
proposed.
They
are
attempting
to
reflect
the
historic
character
both
in
design
as
well
as
materials
with
this
project
by
using
the
sort
of
red
the
traditional
sort
of
red
brick
found
in
a
lot
of
the
mill
buildings
with
these
dark
metal,
accents
around
the
windows,
the
railings,
the
awnings
and
then
also
some
corten
steel
and
board
formed
concrete.
B
B
I'd
like
to
just
briefly
go
back
to
the
site
plans.
Now
that
we've
kind
of
talked
about
some
of
the
exceptions.
I
was
speaking
with
the
engineering
engineer
earlier
today,
so
all
conditional
zoning
projects
that
are
of
the
scale
level
three
conditional
zonings
have
to
re-zone
to
one
of
the
city's
expansion
districts.
Now
those
expansion
districts
say
if
you're
in
a
design
review
area,
you
actually
follow
the
form
code
standards
when
they're
in
conflict.
B
Now
the
form
code
district
requires
an
eight
foot
sidewalk,
and
so,
in
speaking
with
the
designer
earlier,
we
realized
that
one
of
those
exceptions
for
that
pinch
point
on
the
northern
end
could
probably
be
at
least
mitigated
if
not
removed
entirely
by
simply
reducing
the
sidewalk
from
ten
feet
to
eight
feet,
and
we
think
that
eight
feet
is
is
consistent
with
the
rad
code.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
more
consistent
to
have
this
planting
wider
planting
strip
with
the
with
the
sidewalk
behind
it
with
the
rest
of
the
sidewalk
work.
B
That's
been
included
in
the
rad
tip,
so
I
think
that
is
a
change
to
this
plan.
That
staff
would
support
and
would
help
address
that
one
particular
exception
that
was
noted
and
then-
and
I
should
also
say
that
story
height
is
not
a
particular
concern
of
staffs
either.
You
know,
as
I
said,
we
we
regulate
height
both
by
regulating
the
overall
height
and
the
number
of
stories.
In
this
particular
case,
the
project
complies
with
the
overall
height
standard.
B
It
just
simply
has
that
extra
story
in
it
and
they're
able
to
do
that
because
well
they're
doing
it,
partly
because
we're
counting
that
parking
podium.
If
you
didn't
count
it,
it
would
fully
comply.
But
the
code
makes
it
pretty
clear
that
you
should
count
it,
but
otherwise
it
does
comply.
I
I
think
our
concern
with
tucking
in
that
extra
story,
that
extra
residential
story
would
would
be
relevant
if
the
project
were
under
parked.
But
it's
not.
This
project
has
sufficient
parking
it's
comfortably
within
the
minimum
maximum.
B
B
One
thing
that
came
up
in
the
discussion
with
the
riverfront
commission
had
to
do
with
some
a
proposal
to
incorporate
some
signage
on
the
smokestack.
B
Let
me
sort
of
slide
it
over,
so
you
can
see
it
as
well
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
what
they're
thinking
they
did
clarify
in
the
last
discussion
that
they
they
are
referring
only
to
a
paint
on
it
would
not
be
applied
to
the
smoke
stack.
It
would
just
be
a
sign,
that's
painted
on,
and
there
may
be
some
artwork
associated
as
well.
Just
to
clarify
for
the
commission.
It
might
be.
B
If
there
is
going
to
be
business
or
project
identification
on
the
smug
stack,
we
would
account
that
as
signage
projects
like
this
are
permitted
a
what
we
call
sort
of
a
multi-tenant
identification
sign
that
could
be
included
that
could
potentially
meet
that
need
and
then
there's
separate
signage
allowances
for
the
individual
businesses.
If
there's
a
restaurant
or
other
commercial
retail
use
in
that
that
one
ground
level
or
that
one
level
above
the
parking
podium,
then
that's
a
separate
allowance.
B
That's
that's
contemplated
in
the
rad
code,
so
we
would
recommend
that
any
identification,
signage,
that's
included
on
the
tower,
be
included
in
the
overall
allowance
or
be
counted
towards
the
overall
allowance.
The
conditions
associated
with
this
project
make
it
separate,
so
they
would
have
this
sign
plus
any
other
signage
that
might
be
permitted
by
code.
B
B
So
the
applicant
is
requesting
that
this
signage
be
in
addition
to
whatever
signage
would
be
normally
allowed,
and
the
staff's
opinion
is
that
it
really
just
should
be
counted
as
part
of
the
sign.
Whatever
the
signed
allowance
is
that
this
should
be
part
of
that
and
not
be
in
addition
to,
and
and
that's
something
that
we'll
take
up,
probably
through
the
conditions
associated
with
the
project
as
it
moves
through
city
council.
B
Let
me
move
these
off
sorry.
This
was
reviewed
by
the
informally
and
also
by
the
riverfront
commission.
The
the
commission
did
offer
a
number
of
comments
of
appreciation
for
the
balconies
for
opportunities
for
screening
of
the
parking
with
some
greenery,
the
the
use
of
the
materials,
the
general
industrial
aesthetic,
also
permeable,
paving,
is
proposed
for
the
park
surface
parking
across
the
street
that
was
noted
and
and
also
particularly
for
the
just
the
street
level
activation
that
you
can
see
in
these
renderings.
B
I
think
we
have
a
couple
more.
Let
me
see
if
we
get
to
the
end
here,
whoops.
B
No,
I
think
that
might
have
been
it
so
so
those
were
all
some
of
the
positive
things
that
they
pointed
out.
The
the
real
the
strongest
concern
that
was
expressed
was
providing
for
some
sort
of
safe
crossing
between
the
principal
building
and
that
surface
parking
lot
across
the
street
that
would
be
used
to
help
support
the
project.
B
The
conditions
for
the
project
that
were
submitted
by
the
applicant
includes
the
adding
a
crosswalk
at
that
north
end
across
the
across
riverside
drive.
Should
that
crosswalk
be
supported
by
the
approving
agency?
This
is
a
city-maintained
street,
so
that
would
be
the
city
so
provided
the
city
transportation
department
can
support
that.
The
applicant
is
committed
to
providing
that
crosswalk.
B
Yeah
I'd
be
happy
to
so.
This
is
the
north
end,
the
mill
building
and
I
that
the
applicants
and
their
team
members
are
in
the
meeting
as
well.
So
when
they
speak,
if
I
anything
I've
stated
incorrectly,
please
feel
free
to
correct
me,
but
from
what
I
understand
based
on
the
conditions
that
have
been
submitted
is
it
would
be
located
across
riverside
drive
here
at
that
north
end
from
the
mill
building
and
then
there's
an
existing
five-foot
sidewalk
that
comes
down
the
property
to
the
surface
parking.
B
So
staff
does
recommend.
We
do
think
that
this
project
is
aligned
with
the
requirements
and
guidelines
and
we
are
recommending
a
few
conditions,
one.
It
has
to
do
with
that
signage.
You
know
making
sure
that
the
committee
supports
the
signage
and
that
it
is
included
in
the
overall
sign
allowance
for
the
project
would
really
like
to
know
what
the
committee
thinks
of
the
punch
through
openings.
B
We
are
recommending
that
they
go
all
the
way
through
and
that
that
provides
light
and
air
and
that
they
not
be
glassed
in
and
the
tree
strip
be
widened,
which
does
mean
a
reduction
in
the
sidewalk
width,
but
we
think
that
that's
more
consistent
and
compatible
with
the
the
fabric
of
the
river
arts
district
today.
So
we
support
that.
So
we
would
be
swapping
one
exception
for
another
potentially,
but
I
think
it
would
result
in
better
tree
health
and
is
again
consistent
with
the
area.
B
So
those
would
be
our
recommendations.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
go
back
to
through
any
of
the
materials.
Otherwise
I
know
the
applicant
and
their
team
members
are
here.
I'm
sure
they
would
probably
like
to
add
a
little
more
detail
to
what
I've
already
offered.
A
B
B
So
so
that
would
be
binding
if
this,
if
this
project
were
to
be
approved
by
council,
those
conditions
become.
C
B
A
J
Shannon
so
would
staff
still
support
the
exception
to
the
building
length
if
the
punch
throughs
remain
glassed
in.
B
Sorry,
my
hang
on
one.
Second,
let
me
get
my
screen
back
here.
B
J
That's
over
the
200
feet,
yeah,
it
must
be
broken
up
with
daylit
openings
and
but
they're
enclosing
them
in
glass.
So
I
didn't
know
if
if
it
would
still
meet
the
intent,
if
there
are
glass
openings.
B
No,
no,
that's
why
it's
listed
as
an
exception
is
it
doesn't
meet
the
intent
if
they're
glassed
and
I'm
looking
through
the
I'm
looking
through
the
form
code
standards
here
and
I
can
share
with
the
committee.
Let
me
see
if
I
can't
find
it
real,
quick,
there's
a
good
illustration
in
the
code
that
kind
of
illustrates
what
here
we
go
here.
It
is,
let
me
know
when
you
can
see
that.
B
Maximum
building
length
options
for
the
street
facing
facade
it's
it
says
that
you
know
every
200
feet.
You
should
break
it
up.
It
gives
you
an
exception
for
the
parking
podium,
so
that
can
be
continuous
all
the
way
across
the
length
of
the
building.
But
you
have
these
two
options.
You
can
either
interrupt
and
just
provide
this
pedestrian
staircase
up
and
have
this
just
totally
open
or
you
can
provide
this
kind
of
punch
through
opening?
That's
you
know
open
to
light
and
air,
and
then
you
have
some
stories
above.
B
This
is
basically
what
the
applicant
is
proposing,
but
they're
proposing
to
glass
this
in
and
I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
that
really
meets
the
intent
of
what
was
the
the
goal,
which
is
to
really
have
that
open
and
have
the
shadow
and
the
air
movement
and
the
light
you
know
kind
of
going
through,
I
think
having
it
glassed
in
you
know,
allows
them
to
maintain
their
their
conditioned
space,
but
it
doesn't
really
achieve.
B
B
I
believe
they
both
have
to.
I
think
this
because
of
the
length
of
this
building
they're
required
to
punch,
throughs
or
two.
You
know:
openings
okay,.
J
And
I've
got
one
more
question.
Maybe
this
is
for
the
applicant.
Have
they
submitted
any
materials
on
how
they're
planning
to
flood
proof
the
adaptive,
reuse,
rehabilitation
of
the
existing
mill
building.
B
I
am
not,
I
am
not
aware
of
how
they
intend
to
do
that
and
I
would
defer
to
the
applicant.
It
is
a
historic
building.
I
think
there
are
some
exceptions
for
historic
buildings
and
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
that's
what
they're,
imagining
in
this
case
or
not
but.
J
Okay
and
then
I'm
assuming,
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
three-dimensional
representations
of
what
this
building
looks
like
from
the
rear
or
craven
street
or
any
of
the
other
angles.
Correct.
B
B
G
Yeah
sure
so,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
review
committee,
my
name
is
wyatt
stevens
with
robertson
stevens,
and
it's
privileged
to
be
here
today
on
behalf
of
brn
development.
The
developer
of
this
proposed
developer
of
this
project
with
me
today
is
warren
sugg,
whom
you
know
from
civil
design
concepts
and
also
chris
de
nome
with
the
beck
group.
G
The
bet
group
is
providing
the
architectural
and,
of
course,
cdc
is
providing
the
civil
engineering.
You
know
there
were
a
number
of
questions
raised
and
why
don't
we
just
jump
into
those?
I
think
the
most
recent
one
related
to
screening
on
the
back
side
of
the
building
chris
warren.
You
guys
want
to
jump
in
and
take
that
one.
E
Sure
this
is
chris.
We
do
have
to
keep
that
back
side
open,
but
we
are
screening
it
visually
with
a
and,
I
believe,
shown
on
the
site
plan
there.
We
do
have
a
fence
that
will
go
around
to
secure
parking
and
provide
some
visual
screening
on
the
back
side
of
that
now,
on
the
front
side
we
do
have
where
we
we
want
to
interact
and
and
have
the
pedestrian
traffic
there
along
riverside.
E
We
also
have
screening
there
that's
going
to
be
the
mesh
screening
which
again
will
allow
water
to
flow
through,
but
really
the
idea
there
is
to
have
a
vine
growing
on
that
mesh
so
that
it
again
allows
water
and
we
kind
of
meet
all
the
flood
requirements,
but
we
also
want
it
to
be
very
visually.
Appealing
there
on
that
ground
floor
also
provides
some
texture
down
there.
G
And
I
would
also
add,
madam
chair,
you
know
if,
if
you're
on
that
site,
you
know
that
right
behind
that
building
and,
of
course,
southern
railways.
A
G
It
is
a
little
bit
elevated
and
from
a
visual
standpoint,
I
agree
with
brian
it's
a
good.
It's
a
good
ask
to
have
a
rendering
of
that
backside.
So
we
all
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
but
in
my
mind
I'm
I'm
not
thinking
it's
going
to
be,
even
if
it
were
totally
open
that
it's
going
to
look
unusual
in
that
way
because
of
the
elevation
of
the
of
the
railroad
tracks.
There.
A
E
It's
going
to
be
something
more,
I
want
to
say
like
a
black
fence,
and
I
think
we
have
some
visuals
there.
Now
the
screening
material
is
going
to
be
and
again
we
we
provided
some
some
visuals
of
the
material
itself
yeah
so,
and
one
of
the
things
I
do
want
to
address.
I
know
it
was
brought
up
on
on
one
of
our
last
phone
calls
that
trash
enclosure.
We
would
most
definitely
screen
that
similar
to
how
we
would
on
the
front
side,
so
that
would
be
be
screened.
E
E
G
Okay,
so
I
think
the
next
question
in
in
in
terms
of
timing,
when
it
came
up,
was
the
punch
through
chris.
Can
you
speak
to
your
thoughts
on
from
a
you
know,
both
design
and
visual
standpoint,
but
also
you
know
environmental
consciousness
and
what
you're
thinking
was
about
not
punching
all
the
way
through
that
building
and
opening
it
up.
E
Sure-
and
I
think
brian,
maybe,
as
you
had
mentioned,
we
to
meet
code
standards,
we
do
need
to
have
both
of
those
punch
through
openings
there.
So
just
to
confirm
we
are
setting
those
openings
back
15
feet
from
the
face
of
the
buildings.
They
are
back
15
feet,
they
are
15
feet
wide
and
it
would
be
11
feet
clear,
height
from
structure,
to
structure
our
thought
process.
E
Very
candidly
was
we
were
meeting
the
spirit
of
the
code
to
be
able
to
provide
that
visual.
Look
through
the
building
again
full
glass,
full
transparency.
So
you
get
light.
You
do
get
the
shadow
effect.
You
get
everything,
but
from
a
standpoint
of
usability
functionality,
hvac
even
residents.
E
If
the
residents
had
to
cart
in
and
out
on
each
side,
we
just
we
looked
at
it
as
something
where
we
were
meeting
the
spirit
of
the
code
and
the
intent
by
again
providing
that
break
in
the
length
of
the
building,
because
that's
really
what
it
was
about
is
a
15
foot
back
and
then
a
15
foot
wide
break
in
that
building
to
give
it
the
appearance
of
of
multiple
sections
of
building.
So
yes,
we're
doing
that.
Our
our
request,
though,
is
just
the
on
that
first
floor.
E
There
and
again
we
think
it's
a
reasonable
request.
It's
not
not
something!
That's
that's
unallowable
per
the
form
based
code,
so
we
think
it's
reasonable
just
to
to
glass
those
in
from
a
security
in
an
hvac
standpoint,.
E
D
A
B
A
E
Again,
we
would
look
to
use
glass
and
glazing
there
so
that,
on
both
the
riverside
drive
side
and
also
on
the
back
side
that
that
is
fully
glassed
in
but
the
glass
allowing
light
movement
and
shadows
you
can,
you
can
see
it
there,
yeah.
M
E
L
E
E
It
makes
sense
to
class
that
in
and
that's
that's,
what
we're
humbly
to
request
is
permission
to
do
that
on
the
two
two
sides:
everything
else
about
that
setback
again
and
we
we
feel
mitsco,
but
everything
else
there
on
both
of
those
those
notches
meets
all
the
the
standards
as
far
as
what's
required
for
that
length
of
building-
and
really
this
is
driven
as
as
was
mentioned,
the
the
site
design.
E
There
are
so
many
constraints
on
the
site,
that's
where
the
building
ended
up
being
so
long
and
rather
rather
thin
by
comparison,
we've
got
the
railroad
easement
on
the
back
side.
On
the
I
say,
the
back
side
on
the
east
side
on
the
west
side,
we
have
the
as
chinh
was
talking
about
the
power
lines
there.
E
On
the
north
side,
we
have
the
existing
mill
building
and
smoke
stack,
which
you
know
we
want
to
rehabilitate
those
and
utilize,
those
as
the
as
the
main
entrance
to
the
project
and
really
pull
people
into
that.
So
those
are
those
are
some
of
the
form
and
function
reasons
where
we
ended
up
with
this
design.
More
excited
about
it
more
happy
about
it.
D
G
Yeah,
shannon,
if
you
can
go
to
the
site
plan,
so
we
can
see
kind
of
from
above
where
the
power
lines
are
and
so
forth.
There
we
go
so
chris
or
warren.
Can
you
speak
to
you
know
there
were
there
were
several
things
in
the
staff
report
that
shannon
covered
related
to
setbacks?
One
was
the
building
set
back
on
the
south
end.
G
E
Certainly
yeah
and-
and
you
know
our
our
team-
everybody
on
the
on
the
team,
warren
included.
You
know
we
we've
worked
hard
to
to
meet
all
the
code
conditions
of
the
form-based
code
on
that
south
side
there,
because
we
do
have
a
public
utility
easement
and
it's
right
in
that
area.
We
are
up
against
that
utility
easement,
but
that
is
actually
allowable
per
the
form
based
code
because
or
as
a
result
of
that
easement,
the
the
setback
there
can
be
reduced
to
zero
and
we
are
at
zero
at
that
utility
easement.
E
So
again,
we've
we've
taken
the
building
itself
and
moved
it
up
to
riverside
as
as
much
as
possible
and
shannon
that's
a
little.
If
you,
if
you
go
to
the
river
section.
D
E
B
Than
15
feet
from
the
back
of
curb
the
minimum
step,
I
just
didn't
you
know.
Quite
honestly,
I
just
couldn't
quite
figure
out
how
to
interpret
that
the
minimum
setback
may
be
reduced
to
zero
feet
and
a
zero
foot
setback
usually
means
it's
up
against
the
street,
so
I
wasn't
sure
if
they're
trying
to
refer
to
utility
easement
at
the
rear
of
a
property,
but
that
doesn't
really
make
sense.
B
Right
so
we
we
definitely
did
not
have
any
concern.
I
mean
we
definitely
recognize
that
there
is
a
a
constraint
there,
and
so
it
may
be
that
we
could
interpret
that
section
that
this
that
that
complies
if
it
didn't
comply,
we
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
exception.
We
think
there's
really
no
way
around
it
short
of
just
not
building
the
building
there,
so
that
wasn't
a
particular
concern
of
ours,
but
I
think
it's
it's
helpful
to
to
have
the
conversation.
L
While
we're
in
that
area
we're
talking
about
that
utility
easement
and
I
think
there
was
a
comment
about
the
24
foot
driveway
because
of
that
easement
and
the
power
lines,
we
had
some
early
conversations
with
the
fire
marshal's
department
and
talked
with
brian
and
the
requirement
is
a
26
foot
wide
apparatus
road
through
there
and
because
of
that
limited
ability
to
get
an
apparatus
right
there
to
that
southern
area.
We
have
to
be
26
foot
wide
to
meet
the
the
state
and
the
city's
fire
codes.
So
we
you
know
it.
L
Yes,
so
we
do
have
some
bike
bike
storage
shown
sort
of
the
middle
of
the
page,
just
behind
the
stair
tower.
We
have
been
thinking
about
also
having
some
bike
storage
up
closer
to
the
mill
building
and
smoke
stack,
and
then
obviously
we
would
want
to
have
some
over
on
144
as
well.
L
We'd
even
contemplated
the
ideas
of
making
some
sort
of
public
art
type
thing
that
could
also
be
bike
storage
and
then
chris,
you
may
be
able
to
tell
us
a
little
more
about
the
internal
guts
of
the
building
and
some
bike
storage
that
could
happen.
Inside
of
that.
E
Sure
yeah
and
I
got
to
give
warren
all
the
credit
because
he
came
up
with
the
idea,
but
as
far
as
using
more
art,
as
opposed
to
a
standard
bike
storage,
we
do
have
a
currently
conceptually
at
each
one
of
the
public
entrances.
That's
along
riverside.
We've
got
storage
there
and
then
also
up
there
at
the
northeast
corner.
Excuse
me
northwest
corner
of
the
building
some
storage,
some
bike
storage
there.
We
wanted
to
really
put
it
at
all
the
adjacent
to
all
the
prominent
public
entrances.
E
E
We
we
think
the
the
city
has
done
a
great
job
as
far
as
activating
the
riverfront
there,
and
we
want
to
continue
that
and
we
really
want
to
be
the
anchor
and
pull
people
in
and
activate
that
that
first
floor
space
and
part
of
that
is
being
able
to
provide
the
public
bike
stores
so
that
people
who
are
biking
up
and
down
the
riverfront
when
they
do
want
to
stop
and
have
a
coffee
or
a
beer
or
whatever.
What
not
that
they
have
a
place
in
which
to
properly
secure
their
bike.
E
A
And
I
guess
my
question
for
staff
is:
how
does
that
get
confirmed
at
what
point
you
know
I
mean
I
mean,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
talk,
but
there's
nothing
on
the
drawings
that
shows
the
you
know.
Here's
the
you
know
it's
on
44.
You
know
we're
going
to
put
what
bike
parking,
because
that
was
brought
up.
B
Near
the
greenway,
so
it's
a
technical
requirement,
the
amount
of
bike
parking,
that's
required,
and
so,
unless
they're
seeking
a
specific
exception
to
that
requirement,
it's
all
all
of
the
technical
standards
would
have
to
be
satisfied.
So
we
would
check
that
at
final
trc.
A
B
B
B
So
I
think
if,
if
they
really
want
to
be
specific
about
it
and
it's
something
that
this
committee
feels
is
important,
you
could
make
some
recommendations
that
could
be
considered
where
we
are
very
specific
and
say
you
know,
50
is
located
here
and
the
other
you
know
rest
is
located
around
the
entrances.
However,
you
think
is
appropriate.
We
can
do
that,
but
otherwise
staff
would
just
check
to
make
sure
the
number
of
spaces
are
included
in
the
overall
project.
Yeah.
B
A
Recommendation
if
we
approve
it
yeah,
I
understand
brian,
I
think
sasha,
I
think
sasha
had
commented
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
I'm
ms
craig
nolan
can't
we
can't
hear
her
apparently
her
phone
number's
in
the
meeting,
and
so
she
can
hear
the
conversation
and
she's
asked
several
questions,
and
so
she
passed
them
on
to
me.
For
me,
too,.
B
A
L
Yeah,
so
I
can
speak
to
the
to
the
stormwater,
so
yeah
we
we've
been
looking
a
lot
of
different
stormwater
applications.
Here,
certainly
got
some
nice
green
spaces.
Where
we
fully
expected,
we
would
have
some
some
rain
gardens.
L
We
we
recognize
we're
going
to
have
to
have
an
underground
stormtext
system
for
capturing
runoff
and
infiltrating
and
release,
and
then
we
have
been
talking
about
in
the
planned
show
rainwater
harvesting,
and
you
know
we
are
still
pretty
early
on
in
the
process,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about.
You
know
the
the
correct
spot
for
that
correct
uses
for
that,
and
I
think
the
combination
of
all
those
things
are
going
to
meet
and
exceed
the
city's.
L
You
know
standards
on
on
storm
water
and
you
know,
as
mentioned
yeah,
I
mean
much
of
the
river
area
and
specifically
this
project
is
within
flood
plains.
So
you
know
we
do
have
that
parking.
That's
down
on
the
lowest
level.
We
do
have
to
have
that
ability
for
during
you
know,
big
events
waters
to
sort
of
flow
in
and
flow
out.
That's
the
whole
reason
why
we
have
to
have
that
screening,
but
then
to
meet
fema
and
state
requirements.
We
have
to
have
at
least
50
openings
on
that
on
that
screening.
L
A
L
No,
I
mean
you
have
the
you
have
this,
this
conditional
zoning
process
where
you,
where
you
lay
it
out,
and
it
goes
through
and
maybe
sasha
you
and
shannon
can
can
speak
more
to
it.
We
conceptually
lay
these
things
out,
put
them
to
the
correct
size,
but
the
final
construction
drawings
happen
after
final
trc
and
would
be
a
much
more
detailed
set
of
calculations
and
drawings.
A
Okay
anyways
a
couple:
let
me
just
say
these
questions,
and
maybe
you
can
quick,
you
know
respond
to
all
of
them.
I
don't
know
what
first
next
one
is,
how
much
of
design
placement
has
been
dictated
by
the
brownfield
agreement,
and
the
comment
is
when
we
first
got
the
building
and
karen
used
to
be
with
riverlink
that
owns
this
property
today.
So
when
we
first
got
the
building
and
we
were
trying
to
get
people
to
find
the
river,
no
one
knew
how
we
told
folks
just
to
follow
the
smokestack.
A
I
don't
support
any
written
item
on
the
smokestack.
I'd.
Much
prefer
some
public
art
on
the
riverside
and
that
is
visible
from
the
bridge
and
makes
a
statement.
So
that's,
I
guess
more
of
a
comment.
The
next
one
is
glass
on
the
parking
area.
Wouldn't
that
impede
the
flow
of
water
and
then
last
question
is:
what
is
the
plan
for
the
original
boiler
in
the
boiler
room
of
the
remaining
building,
which
I
guess
is
internal
to
that
building,
but
a
historic.
E
Piece,
I
can
just
to
make
sure
to
clarify:
there's,
there's
no
glass
on
the
ground
floor,
parking
level
just
to
hopefully
clarify
that
in
my
apologies,
if,
if
you
know,
if
I
misspoke
there
so
as
far
as
the
the
boiler
there,
there
are
not
any
specific
plans
for
that
at
this
point,
we
think
it's
an
awesome
piece
and
we
want
to
keep
it
and
do
something
with
it.
We're
just
not,
quite
frankly,
we're
not
at
the
stage
yet
there
for
that.
E
E
We
are
not
trying
to
create
any
type
of
project
signage
and
in
fact
that's
where
what
you
see
there
is
more
the
the
district
signage
and
related
to
district,
whether
it's
says
rad
or
river
arts.
E
E
As
far
as
we're
concerned,
but
we're
here
asking
this
committee,
you
know,
is
there
support
for
that
or
or
not
we
would
look
to
if
there
is
support
for
that
move
forward
and
kind
of
pull
those
forward
with
a
local
artist
and
work
with
a
local
artist
over
time
to
see
what
what
that
could
look
like
again.
We
just
we
didn't
want
to
go
through
that
step.
E
We
don't
feel
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
the
project
name
on
there,
but
we
did
feel
that
maybe
something
that
again
builds
upon
the
what
what
the
great
job
of
the
city's
done
as
far
as
the
river
arts
district,
something
that
signifies
that
and
and
helps
pull
people
there.
We
thought
that
would
would
would
help
so.
D
D
B
Questions
yeah
that
that's
a
really
helpful
distinction
about
the
about
the
signage
that
it's
not
meant
to
be
project
identification,
but
rather
district
identification
and
the
river
arts
district
does
have
some
of
their
own
signage.
B
You
know
you
may
have
seen
the
cog
as
like
one
of
the
logos,
and
so
they
they
actually
went
through
a
process
years
ago
to
actually
get
some
special
district
signage
allowances,
so
that
that
could
be
something
you
know
if,
if
supported
by
this
committee,
I
can
get
you
in
touch
with
the
right
people
to
explore
what
you
know.
What
that
you
know
what
would
be
appropriate,
I
guess,
based
on
like
what's
already
been
accepted
as
the
identifiers
for
the
districts.
D
B
A
I'll
just
say
just
really
quickly:
karen's
reply
or
comment
was
that
she
thinks
the
smoke
stack
is
iconic
enough.
I
think
on
its
own
so
and
then
there's
one
last
question
about:
did
the
brownfield
agreement
for
this
property
influenced
the
design
at
all
or
placement.
G
I
think
it's
kind
of
a
warren
question.
I
I
can
say
that
my
from
a
legal
standpoint,
my
law
partner,
billy
clark,
is
kind
of
the
environmental
law
expert
in
this
area
and
he's
been
advising
the
client
about
that
brownfield
agreement.
What's
permitted
what
isn't
and
obviously
we'll
continue
the
dialogue
with
the
state
about
that.
But
I
know
that
warren
and
cdc
is
well
aware
that
there
are
brownfield
there's
a
brownfield
agreement.
L
That's
right,
yeah.
We
we
recognize
the
brown
field
from
day
one
and
and
know
that
there
will
be
appropriate
reviews
and
steps
and
checks
at
that
time.
But
I
I
heard
that
the
question
is
two
part:
you
know
brown
field
side
and
then
how
are
we
handling
storm
water?
So
I
wanted
to
I
apologize
for
not
mentioning
the
rounds
feel
part
of
it
but
yeah.
We
we
recognize
that
it's
an
overarching
need
there.
G
And
and
to
be
clear,
you
know
that
there's
only
a
brownfields
agreement
on
the
159
parcel,
the
144
parcel
across
the
street
doesn't
have
an
agreement
in
place
it.
It
does
have
some
contamination
on
it,
but
since
we're
not
putting
any
structures
over
there
other
than
permeable
paving
for
parking,
it's
my
understanding
that
we,
you
know,
we
don't
need
a
brownfields
agreement
for
that.
But
you
know
we
were
cognizant
of
both
it's
it's.
G
J
To
say
something,
I'm
completely:
I
need
to
go
back
to
this
punch
through
thing.
So,
as
I
read
the
form
code,
you've
got
two
options
in
flood
prone
areas:
either
a
full
pass-through
correct
or
a
raised
staircase
with
a
partial
pass-through.
Am
I
reading
that
right?
Shannon.
J
So
they
could
they
could
they
could
keep
the
upper
stories
opaque
if
they
had
a
staircase
with
a
partial
pass-through
on
the
retail
level.
Is
that
correct.
J
And
I
saw
that
in
the
elevation,
so
we're
really
only
talking
about
not
not
telling
them
they
have
to
take
it
away
above
on
the
residential
areas,.
B
And
just
to
clarify
further,
I
believe
the
dimensions
also
all
comply.
It's
just
it's
just
that
it's
glassed
in
and
just
not
totally
open.
C
You
know,
I
guess
I'll
ask
it
now,
since
brian
brought
it
up,
and
I
it's
hard
to
answer
the
question
of
intent
unless
it
specifically
states-
and
maybe
it
does
in
the
in
the
code,
we
want
it
to
look
this
way
for
air
movement
like
movement.
You
know
I'm
just
wondering
to
myself
and
I'm
really
posing
it
to
the
other.
C
But
what
is
the
purpose
of
this
200
feet?
I
mean?
Is
it
to
say
we
don't
want
to
have
super
long
buildings.
We
want
separate
buildings
or
is
it
to
say
or
because
of
the
punch
through
aspect
and
setback
and
15
feet,
and
so
on.
Do
we
want
to
have
this
visual
separation
and
pedestrian
connectivity?
C
I'm
just
wondering
about
the
whole
air
thing.
If
that's
really
the
the
intent
or
just
one
interpretation
of
the
intent
and
really
I
guess
it's
more
for
the
designers
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
about
for
that,
because.
A
Yeah,
I
remember
early
discussions
with
design
review.
You
know
when
looking
at
the
form-based
code,
you
know
preventing
things
like
we
see
down
on
the
beaches.
You
know
in
coastal
areas
where
there
are
walls
of
buildings
blocking
the
view
from
anybody.
That's
behind
that
building
of
the
water,
and
I
know
that
there
was
at
least
trying
to
have
some
punctuation.
So
you
didn't
have
big
long
buildings
for
views
and
maybe
lightning
air
is
part
of
it.
But
you
know
that
was.
B
You
know
that
part
of
the
intent
is
to
break
up
the
visual
mass
of
that
building
and-
and
I
think
what
what
chris
is
saying
is
you
know,
they're
they're
attempting
to
meet
the
spirit
of
that
to
some
degree
by
recessing
it
kind
of
carving
out
that
little
niche
having
the
glass.
I
I
don't
know
that
glass,
even
though
it
is
transparent
glass.
I
don't
know
if
it
kind
of
gives
you
that
same
visual.
B
You
know
you
through
a
building,
but
but
I
think
again,
I
think
this
is
all
these
are
all
good
questions
for
the
committee
to
wrestle
with.
J
In
the
in
the
elevations,
the
it's
actually
like
a
core
10
material,
or
something
like
that
above
the
glass
on
that
commercial
core
and
that's,
what's
still
shown
on
the
punch
through
piece,
at
least
in
the
hatch
of
the
of
the
documents
that
we
were
provided
and
and
also
note
that
the
glass
doesn't
it's
not
the
full
story
of
that?
Okay,
larger
commercial
piece,
it's
just
it
just
goes
up
the
same
height
and.
J
E
E
So
I
think
one
of
the
just
point
of
point
of
corrections
is
that
glass
does
go
from
the
top
of
that
first
floor,
all
the
way
up
to
the
slab
above
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
full
glass
there.
So
the
from
structural
slab
to
structural
slab,
you're,
seeing
glass
but
cora
tan
again
is
set
back
in
that
15
feet,
and
that's
that's
vertical
back
in
the
15
feet
on
just
that
second
level.
Oh.
A
A
E
Yeah,
so
there
you
go,
and
that
only
happens
right
there,
shannon
only
in
that
area,
and
the
reason
is
is
because
that
that
cortan
continues,
as
you
see
further
north
above
the
retail
area
and
again
that
core
tan
and
that
retail
space,
all
of
that
is
pushed
back
underneath
the
building
and
even
the
glass
and
glazing
that
you're
seeing
there
on
that
second
story,
all
that
is
pushed
back
and
an
effort
of
pushing
that
back
is
to
activate
provide
some
public
walkway
that
is
on
that
north.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
shannon.
E
I
appreciate
it
on
that
north
side
there,
so
really
what
you're
seeing
on
the
core
tan
is.
It's
pushed
back
and
then
above
that
or
that
core
tan
is
only
from
that
second
floor
slab
up
to
the
underside
of
that.
What
is
basically
the
third
floor,
slab.
A
J
Yeah,
it's
it's
it's
so
that
those
design
elements
read
as
a
as
a
linear
piece.
You've
got
the
core
10
and
you've
got
that
and
you've
got
that
storefront
going
across
there.
So
I'm
not
reading
it
like
it's
a
part
of
the
break
in
the
building.
That's
actually
just
part
of
that
recessed
facade
and
plea.
Please
don't
if
I
could
step
back
just
a
little
bit,
I'm
I'm
extremely
jealous
of
this
design.
It's
a
it's
a
really!
Well
done!
It's
a
good!
It's
a
good
solution!
There's
a
lots
of
pieces!
J
I
like
about
it.
I've
got
quibbles
love
to
get
into
some
of
them
with
you.
You
won't
care,
but
but
but
I
we
really
have
to-
I
think-
address
this-
this
punch
through
issue
because
I
think
the
other
pieces
on
the
setbacks
and
things
like
that
are
all
well
within
grasp.
I
think
once
we
get
the
setback
issue
resolved,
I
think
we
can
start
to
to
move
towards
some
kind
of
motion.
At
least
that's
my
opinion.
A
I
mean
design
review
guidelines
on
page
seven
parking
should
be
minimized
and
not
above
the
street,
and
the
parking
lot
on
144
at
butts
the
street,
and
then
the
wilma
diagram
plan
also
says
minimize
the
impact
of
parking
lots
on
the
riverway
and
locate
them
on
to
the
side
or
below
the
building
and
like
you're
doing
with
the
building.
I
think
the
building
I
agree
with
brian
the
building
is,
you
know,
is
a
good
response,
but
these
other
issues.
A
G
You
know
what
what
you
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
with
folks
in
that
area:
stakeholders,
including
the
the
rad
business
folks,
and
what
we
heard
over
and
over
again
was
please,
please,
please
create
more
than
enough
parking
for
your
project,
because
we
don't
have
enough
in
the
river
architecture.
I.
A
Know
why?
But
you
have
to
understand
that
we
have
to
follow
the
guidelines
as
well
in
our
review,
and
there
are
things
like
buffering
the
parking
with
planting
that
isn't
happening.
You
know
to
shield
car
there's
a
height
limit,
not
to
see
the
hoods
of
cars
along
streets.
You
know
things
like
that.
That
are
part
of
the
guidelines.
You
know
are
things
that
we
have
to
look
at
as
we're
reviewing
it.
So
I
understand
the
the
request.
J
Jane
where
it
says
on
the
design
guidelines
that
it
shouldn't
directly
abut
the
street.
D
J
A
J
So
so,
if
they
had
a
better
vegetative
screen
between
the
the
across
street
parking
and
that
the
pedestrian,
the
road
that
would
meet
the
intent
of
that
guideline,
correct.
A
Well
and
it
talks
about
minimizing
parking-
and
I
understand
I
hear
you
know
the
attorneys-
you
know
saying
the
public's
asking
for
more
parking,
but
we
also
have
a
review
process
that
says
to
minimize
parking
and
they're
at
the
maximum
right.
I
mean
they're
at
the
maximum
allowable
parking
for
the
site.
L
Shannon
help
me
correct,
I
think
176
is
the
required
parking
spaces
and
we're
at
198,
so
we're
22
over
and
the
144
parking
lot
is
is
41
spaces.
So.
B
L
And
brian,
to
your
point
and
and
maybe
jane,
this
helps
as
well.
You
know
there's
an
abundance
of
of
plantings
that
are
happening
over
on
144
if
it,
if
it
pleases
this
group,
we
can
certainly
take
some
of
the
plantings
that
are
shown
to
the
northern
area
there,
and
you
know,
put
that
more
along
the
eastern
side
of
that
parking
lot,
barring
any
concerns
that
staff
has
with
with
doing
so,
but
yeah.
We
certainly
want
to
take
your
advice
on
it.
A
L
J
Yeah
warren,
I
think
we
just
make
that
a
condition
that
you
provide
vegetative
screening
on
the
144
property
between
the
road,
the
sidewalk
and
the
in
the
parking
area.
I
think
that's,
I
think
that
would
meet
the
intent
of
at
least,
as
I
understand
it,
of
what
that
requirement
is,
is
going
for.
A
I
think
the
only
other
comment
that
I
would
have
is
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
comments
that
have
been
previously
made
about
smokestack.
I
think
it
is
a
co
iconic
by
itself.
I
don't
think
it
needs
any
signage
on
it
and
it's
a
historic,
it's
part
of
the
historic
legacy
of
the
river
and
I
think
in
respect
of
historic
properties.
It
shouldn't
have
signage
and
art
on
it
itself,
and
the
idea
of
adding
art
in
other
public
areas
is
appropriate,
but
I
don't
think
on
the
smoke
stack
itself
agreed.
F
C
B
Yeah
I
mean
warren
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we
were
talking
about
this
earlier.
I
think
it's
largely
a
misunderstanding.
I
think
you
know
where
the
requirement
is
more
rigorous,
which
a
10-foot
sidewalk
would
be
more
rigorous
than
an
8-foot
sidewalk.
I
think
they
felt
like
perhaps
they
needed
to
show
the
10-foot
wide
sidewalk,
but
I
would
agree
that
you
know
where
there's
a
conflict
so
where
both
the
expansion
district
and
the
rad
code
have
different
standards,
the
rad
code
would
rule
so
the
eight
foot
sidewalk
would
be
the
minimum
required.
B
Now
anybody
can
al
always
offer
a
wider
sidewalk.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
talked
this
morning
is
like
you
know,
was
there
a
real
desire
to
have
a
10-foot
wide
sidewalk?
We
obviously
had
this
very
activated
streetscape,
you
know.
Maybe
that
was
their
preference
and
they
wanted
to
reduce
the
you
know
they
would
wanted
to.
You
know,
have
less
planting
strip
in
order
to
have
more
sidewalk,
but
after
speaking
with
warren,
I
think
you
know
it
was
just
no.
They
just
wanted
to
demonstrate
full
compliance.
L
Yeah,
I
agree
too,
and
I
don't
want
to
make
it
more
complicated
than
it
than
it
is,
but
I'm
looking
at
some
some
photos
and
being
out
there
recently.
It
looks
like
to
me
right
now:
there's
like
a
five
and
five,
so
five
foot
green
strip
and
five
foot
sidewalk.
That
was
just
installed
in
the
last.
You
know
18
months,
12
months,
so.
L
If
that's
more,
the
desire
of
the
of
the
river,
but
certainly
you
know,
eight
seems
to
be
something
that
we
can
all
agree
upon.
B
L
The
other
side
of
the
road,
I
think,
to
one
of
jane's
questions
a
little
earlier,
there's
a
there's,
a
bigger
sidewalk
on
the
other
side
of
riverside
than
is.
It
looks
to
be
probably
10
foot
wide
with
some
planting
wells
in
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
connectivity
in
this
area
with
the
with
the
recent
rad
improvements.
J
I
want
to
go
back
and
answer
jeremy.
He
asked
the
designers
to
answer
the
question
and
we
never
did
so
I'm
going
to
answer
it
for
him
or
at
least
give
give
jeremy.
My
answer,
I
think
the
the
the
the
intent
of
the
code
would
be
that
those
are
not
just
they're,
not
just
visual
breaks,
but
they're
actual
breaks
in
the
building
and
in
the
building
massing.
I
don't
think
the
glass
meets
the
intent
of
that
of
that
verbiage.
If
they
wanted
to
do
that,
they
could
have
just
said.
J
You
know:
we've
got
other
form
codes
that
talk
about
providing
differentiation
or
breaking
up
the
mass
of
the
building
for
the
downtown
district
and
other
other
districts.
The
haywood
road
forum
district,
whereas
a
a
full
break-in
is,
is
different,
and
so
I
don't
think
the
glass
actually
meets
that
even
if
they
you
know,
I
don't
know.
I
just
don't
think
that
would
meet
that
intent
of
that
code.
That's
my
two
cents.
E
And
and
brian
just
to
also
piggyback
on
and
give
you
give
you
some
of
some
of
our
thoughts.
Is
that
our
thought
was
you
don't
want
a
a
massive
building
that
is
flat
coming
down
that
on
down
riverside
drive,
I
mean
you
got
to
have
some
break
there.
Nobody
wants
that.
E
So
that's
where
we
did
take
a
look
and-
and
we
think
it's
appropriate-
that
the
code
says
if,
if
you
do
take
these
15
by
15
foot
notches
out
that
you
do
break
up
that
building,
and
so
we
think
we
were
feeling
between
that
between
the
balconies
that
we're
not
creating
a
flat
building
and
something
that
is
that
is
more
broken
up
and
and
visually
is,
is
more
appealing,
not
only
visually
more
appealing,
but
also
it.
E
It
gives
the
visual
appearance
of,
I
won't
say
three
separate
buildings,
but
three
portions
of
the
building.
That's
also
you
know
some
of
the
driving
factor
and
I
won't
say
all
of
it,
but
on
the
north
end
where
we
do
have
the
two-story
aspect
of
that
building.
I
do
want
to
get
back
to
the
glass
and
the
air
and
movement
going
through
that.
That's
not,
we
didn't
feel
that
was
necessarily
spelled
out
in
the
code
and
that's
where
we
we
felt
that
glass
would
still
allow
the
visual
break
of
that.
E
We
completely
understand
that
that
may
not
be
the
disposition
of
the
of
this
of
this
committee
here,
and
we
get
that.
I
will
say
anything
above
that
that
first
elevated
floor
level
there
or
completely
open
if
the
core
tan
isn't
the
right
material
to
utilize
above
the
glass
on
what
would
be
level
two.
E
We
would
be
completely
open
to
changing
that
material
above
the
glass
again
to
create
more
of
a
visual
appeal
there,
but
just
to
again
confirm
we.
We
thought
we
were
staying
within
this
or
we
feel
we're
staying
within
the
spirit
of
the
code
by
providing
that
light.
That
goes
through
there
and
that's
floor-to-ceiling
light
the
entire
15-foot
width,
which
is
the
width
of
that.
As
you
come
up,
the
15
foot
wide
stairs.
We
have
that
it's
set
15
foot
back,
so
we
kind
of
have
those
notches
that
divide
that
building
up.
J
Thank
you
and
chris,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I'm
just
going
to
try
to
tell
you
how
I'm
interpreting
what
I
see
in
the
diagrams
and
in
the
visual.
So
they
clearly
show
your
two,
your
two
options.
You
can
have
a
full
break
in
the
building
or
you
can
have
basically
a
pass
pass-through
in
the
building
and
because
they're
both
shown
with
stairs
leading
directly
up
to
it.
J
It's
not
just
for
visual,
it's
also
for
movement,
and
so
and-
and
so
I
read
that
as
both
pedestrian
movement
and
air
and
as
well
as
light,
and
so
that's
why
I
would
say
that
glass
wouldn't
meet
that
the
intent
of
that
of
that
of
both
the
images
and
the
in
the
text.
E
And
and
brian
I
will
say:
that's
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
wanted
to
bring
it
up
and
and
make
sure
that
we
get
everybody's
input
on
that
the
only
I
guess
in
closing
one
of
the
things
I
will
make
sure.
E
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
image
on
the
right
in
the
code
there,
that
glass
actually
is
is
set
even
further
back
than
the
15
feet.
So
you
do
come
up
the
stairs
and
you
don't
necessarily
hit
glass
wanna,
make
sure
that's
that's
clear,
so
that
glass
is
set
further
back,
especially
on
that
north
side,
because
we
want
to
create
that
pedestrian
movement,
as
on
the
north
end
where
people
are
pedestrians,
are
able
to
come
up
and
move
to
the
move
to
the
to
the
second
floor
area.
There.
E
So
there,
as
you,
come
up
the
stairs
on
this
north
side
here
you'll
see
and
again
it
doesn't
read
in
this,
but
that
that
glass
is
pushed
back
so
so.
D
K
D
E
E
I
believe
so
I
believe
so
now
we
can
make
adjustments
to
that
if,
if
that
would
help
the
the
committee,
you
know,
if
that's
a,
if
that's
a
committee
desire,
we
can
make
adjustments
to
that
and
put
those
in
different
planes
so
that
they
read
even
further
apart
along
with
changing
the
core
10
material
above.
M
So
I
feel
that
the
glass
as
shown
does
not
meet
the
intent,
because
it
is
the
same
language
as
the
storefront.
Next
to
it,
it's
divided
the
same
way.
So
to
me
it
does
not
read
visually
as
a
break.
If,
if
the
glass
was
more
open,
I
could
see
the
argument
there,
but
it's
it's.
M
C
On
the
committee,
I
mean
that
what
robin
just
said
really
kind
of
speaks
to
me
as
well.
I
look
at
these
pictures
that
shannon
has
up
and
what
speaks
to
me
is
pedestrian
connectivity.
We
want
to
not
only
visually
break
the
building
up,
but
we
want
to
provide
access
through,
so
I
feel
like
you're
doing
everything
other
than
it.
C
E
In
some
manner
would-
and
I
guess
if,
if
I
were
to
throw
an
option
out
there,
if
we
made
sure
that
those
that
that
glass
are
in
different
planes
visually
front
to
back
and
then
even
if
we
went
with
a
storefront
or
something
I
I'm
just
trying
to
trying
to
come
up
with
an
idea
that
visually
will
make
that
different,
while
still
allowing
from
a
security
in
in.
J
Hvac
standpoint,
if
you
look
at
the
the
two
elevation
sheets,
2.0
and
2.1,
I
think
it
was
for
me
a
lot
of
it
is
because
that
language
is
not
changing
at
all.
If
that
entire
void,
where
you're,
showing
corten
and
the
in
the
storefront,
that
was
all
glass
and
it
was
a
different.
J
Maybe
it
was
even
the
sash
kind
of
glas
that
you
have
it's
just
or
or
a
completely
different
language.
I
don't
know,
or
it
even
looked
more
like
your
screen
below.
I
don't
know
something
along
those
lines
where
you're
really
picking
up
a
different
element,
and
you
did
that
in
both
locations
and
it
was
the
full
if
you
could
go
shannon
to
the
other.
I
keep
trying
to
scroll.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
The
same
thing
here
you
know
again.
I
know
you
said
it
went
to
the
slab,
but
I'm
like
yeah,
but
it
doesn't.
It
needs
to
re.
You
know
if
you're
gonna
tell
the
story
that
this
is
a
five-story
building,
but
then
that
that
that's
not
telling
that
story,
so
that
should
all
be
if
that
was
what
we
were
going
for.
I
think
that
all
should
be
glass
with
without
the
corten
above
anyway.
J
J
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
trying
to
film
my
way
into
what
both
the
the
form
code
says,
as
well
as
the
design
standard,
say
and
and
and
how
we
apply
those
things
we're
not
completely
bound
by
star
decisis,
but
it
is
a
big
deal
when
we,
when
we
make
these
kind
of
applications
as
to
how
they're
going
to
be
interpreted
in
the
future.
B
E
Well-
and
that's
so,
I
think
this
is
the
the
crux
of
it
there
would
there's,
not
a
pedestrian.
You
know,
I
think
the
easiest
way
to
answer
that
shannon
is
right
now,
as
a
pedestrian
will
come
up
here,
this
this
portion
of
the
building
isn't
necessarily
public.
E
So
this
is
for
private
access
for
the
residents,
so
somebody
comes
up
this
staircase
and
they
hit
that
glass
there
or
even
an
opening.
That
would
be
clear
opening
and
as
of
right
now,
what
we
envisioned
is.
They
would
hit
that
the
glass
there
and
and
be
able
to
cart
in
and
go
to
their
residence
right
or
left
without
glass.
There
somebody
would
come
up
there
and
then
they
would
have
to
go
and
cart
into
the
right
or
cart
in
to
the
left
on
either
the
right
or
left
hand
side
same
being
is.
E
B
E
You
enter
into
the
building-
yes,
okay
and
and
brian
just,
and
only
because
I
want
to
make
a
point
of,
I
think
I
misspoke
or
maybe
in
fact
I
know
I
misspoke,
but
on
that
south
side,
everything
above
there
would
would
not
be
the
quartan
there
you
go
so
on
that
south
side,
that's
actually
what
you're
looking
at
would
be
the
brick
material
back
there.
E
On
the
north
side,
we
have
the
cortan,
but
again
that
cortan
would
only
run
on
that.
What
would
be
that
second
floor?
E
There
you
go
everything
above.
That
would
be
the
brick
material
as
it's
pushed
back
and
and
as
it's
pushed
back
and
required
to
be
pushed
back
for
the
code.
I
guess
the
only
other,
the
only
other
option
I
could
throw
out
there
from
a
standpoint
of
you
know.
E
Last
last
and
again
I'm
open
to
options
from
the
committee
themselves,
but
if
we
made
in
lieu
of
the
cortan
continued
the
glass
opening,
even
on
that
second
floor
area
or
even
moved
the
reduced
the
height
of
the
glass
and
glazing
in
what
I
would
say
to
the
north
or
to
plan
left
area
there.
E
If
that
would
be
acceptable
to
the
committee-
and
I
know
we're
kind
of
you
know
doing
design
on
a
fly,
but
that's
I
at
least
want
to
throw
that
out
there
as
an
option
to
see
any
feedback
or
if
there
is,
is
any
recommendations
that
the
committee
has
we're
happy
to
we're
happy
to
accept
those.
M
I
mean
I
do
think
that
notch
needs
to
look
different
and
open
for
this
to
be
a
valid
argument
and,
right
now
it
looks
exactly
like.
What's
next
to
it,
it's
not
really
the
plane
of
the
glass
that
I'm
struggling
with,
it's
just
the
visual
linearness
of
that
and
that
it,
the
storefronts,
even
divided
the
same
exact
way.
So
for
that
to
work
and
be
a
valid
argument,
I
would
think
that
the
second
floor
corten
would
go
away,
and
that
would
be
more
open,
glass
and
a
different
language
than
what's
next
to
it.
J
So
I'm
I'm
looking
at
your
renderings
and
so
you've
got
you've
got
the
language
of
the
storefront
for
the
commercial
piece.
You've
got
the
the
language
of
the
the
kind
of
industrial
sash
for
the
residential
piece
and
then
you've
got
the
language
of
the
a
different
kind
of
storefront
language
on
the
adaptive,
reuse
and
so
you've
got.
J
You
know
three
different
types
of
glass
kind
of
in
in
the
project
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
pull
in
the
the
language
of
the
glass
with
that
horizontal
mullion,
that
you've
got
on
the
top
of
the
of
the
the
mill
building
of
that
adaptive
reuse
and
you
incorporate
that
into
the
entire
notch
back
there,
so
that
you're
kind
of
one
you're
tying
the
two
pieces
together
a
little
bit.
That
was
actually
one
of
my
questions
and
it's
like
how
do
these
two
guys
talk
to
each
other
other
than
just
the
brick
material?
J
And
that
would
do
do
that
and
then
it
would.
It
would
offer
a
you
know,
a
level
of
of
transparency.
I
don't
know
what
jane
robin
and
jeremy
and
anybody
else
think
about
that.
J
But
that
would
be
my
suggestion,
where
you're
not
having
to
like
introduce
a
whole
new
thing,
but
you're
tying
in
tying
some
things
in
together
by
the
way
I
just
while
I'm
here,
the
the
I
love
the
I
love
a
lot
of
what
you're
doing,
but
the
exposed
little
column
on
the
corner
that
peeks
through
I'm
not
a
fan.
I
liked
it
better
when
you,
when
you
had
a
podium,
and
you
didn't
see
that
little
concrete
thing
peeking
in
at
the
corner-
that's
nitpicking,
that's
not
a
condition.
E
J
I
I'm
not
sure
I
think
again
again,
it
goes
to
you
know
what
jeremy
and
robin
were
pointing
towards
is
that
is
that
you
know,
is
the
intent
of
the
code,
a
full
movement
of
pedestrians
or
is
it
you
know
like
what
you
were
talking
about?
You
were
just
trying
to
prevent
the
flat
wall
and,
and
and
and
allowing
you
know,
is
it
is
it
is
it?
Is
it
views
or
is
it
people?
You
know.
E
And
brian
to
so,
first
of
all,
thank
you
know
that
is
that
is
helpful,
because
we
we
try
to.
We
tried
to
create
enough
distinction
there,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
pulling
that
glass
over.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
again,
I've
got
no.
We've
got
no
qualms
as
far
as
continuing
that
glass
even
higher-
and
I
would
say
not
that
glass,
but
again
some
glass
from
the
mill
and
kind
of
speaking
that
language,
as
you
said,
and
then
so
we
we
would
be
amenable
to
that.
That's
that's!
C
D
C
To
to
speak
to
the
views
issue,
the
fact
that
you're
allowed
to
put
a
hole
through
the
building
and
then
continue
up
above,
speaks
less
about
views
to
me.
You
know
if
there
was
a
requirement
to
keep
the
two
separate
buildings.
That
would
make
more
sense
to
me
to
me
it's
more
about
the
pedestrian
access.
J
I'm
looking
at
the
form
code
again-
and
it
says
you
know
a
direct
pedestrian
connection
on
top
of
the
parking
podium
is
provided
from
the
front
of
the
lot
to
the
rear
or
to
the
intersecting
alley
or
street
behind
that's
for
the
parking
podiums.
That's
something
similar
direct
pedestrian
connection
on
top
of
the
podium
provided
from
the
front
of
the
lot
to
the
rear,
well,
the
language
sort
of
point
pretty
clearly
to
a
pedestrian
connection
of
openness
from
the
front
of
the
lot
to
the
rear.
I
mean
that's
that's
pretty
plain
language.
E
You
know
again
basically
trying
to
funnel
people
to
or
and
or
through
the
mill
building
itself
and
creating
another
pedestrian
connection.
There.
J
J
B
Yeah,
I
would
just
suggest,
maybe
perhaps
like
the
commission
committee's
given
the
applicant
a
good
amount
of
feedback.
This
is
all
something
they
can
take
into
consideration
and
update
their
plans
if
they
so
choose.
Moving
before
you
know,
as
we
move
through
the
conditional
zoning
process,
whatever
they
settle
on
will
include,
it
is
in
their
conditions
and
will
reflect
that.
The
committee
expressed
certain
concerns
and
made
certain
suggestions,
etc
and.
C
A
B
A
A
E
That
that
is
correct,
so
that
mill
building
the
rehabilitation
of
that
mill,
building
wild
green
roof
over
it
and
then,
as
far
as
sound
proofing,
the
windows
themselves
will
be
dual
glazed
windows
from
a
soundproofing
perspective.
B
E
E
E
Yeah,
no,
I
completely
agree
with
you.
I
just
I
don't
know.
If
we've,
if
we've
been
able
to
fully
vet
those
out.
D
E
J
I
would,
I
would
really
like
to
be
able
to
make
a
motion
on
this
one,
but
I
can't
approve
it
with
the
language
about
the
the
pass-through
as
it
as
it's
currently
presented.
Okay,.
G
Could
I
suggest,
since
that
seems
to
be
a
continuing
concern
and
we
just
can't
design
it
on
the
fly
and
resolve
it
here
that,
if,
if,
if
this,
if
this
committee
was
so
inclined
to
make
a
a
recommendation
for
approval,
subject
to
you,
know
revision
of
that
issue
to
establish
a
clear
pass-through.
E
J
I'm
out
of
practice
jane,
I
was
writing
stuff
down
yeah
so
that
my
conditions
would
be
to
address
the
pass-through
issue
in
accordance
with
the
form
code
to
provide
vegetative
screening.
J
In
the
in
the
parking
lot
at
144
in
accordance
with
the
design
guidelines
and
then
to
adjust
the
width
of
the
sidewalk
to
the
eight
foot
width
and
increase
the
size
of
the
tree
planting
strip
as
proposed
by
staff.
And
then
I
think
that
would
and
then
that
we
are
not
recommending
any
project
or
or
district
identification.
Signage.
On
the
smoke
stack
and.
J
A
A
A
Hi
jeremy
goldstein.
C
D
A
A
Yeah
and
with
the
suggestions
that
brian
has
made,
my
my
biggest
concern
was
the
parking
and,
if
indeed
they
can
meet
the
guidelines,
I
still
think
there's
too
much
parking.
But
that's
that's
my
only
concern
and
I
understand
what
wyatt
said
about
the
neighborhood
asking
for
more,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
covenant
that
will
allow
public
parking.
A
A
L
I
just
keep
getting
luckier
and
luckier
is
peter
and
eric
and
the
image
that
he's
still
on.
B
B
We
have
an
advertisement
for
june
17th,
so
we
could
maybe
get
you
on
that
agenda
and
then
that
way,
the
team,
the
committee-
can
give
you
some
initial
feedback
based
on
the
design.
N
Well,
what
are
the
other
projects
scheduled
for
the
17th.
N
N
I
would
like
to
at
least
get
a
preliminary
read
from
this
group
as
to
the
their
opinion
on
the
project
as
it
stands
right
now,
maybe
just
a
brief
five
or
ten
minute
introduction,
and
maybe
you'll
like
it
well
enough
that
you
just
pass
it
now.
We
can
roll
on,
but.
A
B
N
B
B
All
right
jane,
would
you
like
me.
B
Okay,
let
me
get
my
screen
sharing
here
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
be
really
brief
and
then
we
can
let
peter
and
sid
kind
of
jump
in
and
share
some
more
thoughts.
So.
B
A
couple
of
you
have
seen
the
project
already.
This
is
basically
the
corner
of
biltmore
and
south
market
street
here
to
the
north.
If
you're
familiar
caddy
corner
to
the
northwest,
is
the
orange
peel
just
for
context,
and
you
also
are
probably
familiar
with
how
the
topography
really
drops
off.
So
if
you
drive
down
south
market,
you
know
you
really
drop.
An
elevation
same
is
true
for
this
property.
It
drops
across
the
back.
B
So
the
proposal
is
for
a
nine-story
mixed-use
building,
but
only
six
of
those
stories
are
going
to
be
visible
from
the
primary
pedestrian
street,
of
biltmore
avenue
and
and
also
from
south
market.
You
can
see
the
some
of
the
additional
stories
or
some
of
that
additional
height
on
the
shared
property
line
to
the
south
and
then
also
from
the
rear
from
the
south
market
extension
alley.
This
is
a
publicly
maintained
alley,
one
of
the
few
in
the
city
that
comes
off
of
south
market
so
for
the
plans
you
can
see
better
here.
B
This
is
the
this.
Is
the
south
market
elevation,
so
the
the
north
elevation
looking
at
the
building?
So
you
can
see
those
six
stories
at
the
ground
level,
we
have
a
commercial
non-residential
space
for
the
majority
of
south
market
and
for
all
of
biltmore.
There
is
a
portion
of
that
ground
level
that
will
have
some
residential
units,
but
at
least
as
far
as
the
street
facing
side
is
concerned,
it's
going
to
read
like
a
non-residential
ground
level,
commercial
space
then
wrapping
the
corner.
B
This
is
when
you
start
to
go
on
the
east
elevation,
so
this
would
be
the
the
rear
of
the
property
kind
of
going
clockwise
around
it.
This
is
off
of
that
south
market
extension.
So
here
you
can
see.
We
have
three
levels
of
structured
parking
tucked
underneath
the
six
stories
that
are
above
ground-
and
you
can
see
we
have
entrance
from
both
south
market
and
then
this
lower
entrance
from
the
south
market
extension.
B
This
is
the
elevation
on
the
shared
property
line
to
the
south.
Again,
you
can
see
some
of
that
additional
height
and
then
the
main
principal
facade
or
primary
facing
facade
is
here
on
biltmore
avenue.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
combination
of
fiber
cement
panels
and
ifis,
and
they
offered
this
kind
of
handy
key.
That
kind
of
shows
that,
on
the
most
visible
sides,
those
pedestrian
sides
of
market
street
and
biltmore
avenue
is
the
fiber
cement
panels
and
then
on
the
sort
of
more
hidden
sides.
B
B
The
applicant
provided
some
renderings
that
I
think
are
really
helpful,
where
you
can
kind
of
see
the
the
more
of
the
design
and
kind
of
what
to
expect
both
the
residences,
or
rather
you
see
that
one
of
the
principal
entrances
into
the
residences,
and
then
you
have
this
kind
of
recessed
covered
dining
area
for
the
restaurant
at
the
ground
level.
B
Here
you
are
on
the
biltmore
avenue
side
and
you
can
see
that
additional
commercial
space
with
the
for
the
retail
and
then
continuing
along
on
here's
more
of
an
axonometric
view
from
the
corner,
so
you
can
kind
of
really
see
the
building
and
then
from
the
rear
and
then
again
from
the
side.
B
So
I
think
these
are
helpful.
There's
also
a
close-up
of
the
courtyard
on
the
side,
and
then
here
is
the
project
in
context
with
the
the
block
the
this
project's
been
to
technical
review
it
it
actually
complies
there,
there's
one
little
piece
of
sidewalk,
that's
missing,
but
it's
because
of
the
unusual
shape
of
the
property
line
and
and
they'll
still
be
able
to
comply.
B
They
just
pay
a
small
fee
in
lieu
for
the
little
bit
of
sidewalk
that
they're
unable
to
construct,
but
otherwise
it
complies
with
the
step
back
requirements
which
really
don't
apply
in
this
particular
case
because
of
the
width
of
biltmore
avenue,
the
fenestration
requirements,
the
lot
coverage
and
frontage
requirements.
All
of
that
I
think,
as
far
as
the
udo
downtown
standards
go,
it
complies
the
design.
Guidelines
is
a
little
bit
harder.
B
There's
definitely
design
guidelines
that
are
absolutely
supported
and
addressed
the
one
that
is
a
little
bit
hard
to
interpret,
and
I
should
update
my
staff
report
because
I
noticed
I
accidentally
included.
I
think
it
was
like
one
f
and
one
g
in
both
the
complies
with
and
doesn't
comply,
and
I
think
that's
a
little.
B
I
think
I
meant
for
it
to
really
be
in
the
doesn't,
comply
or
partially
complies
section,
and
it's
really-
and
you
know
again,
it's
a
little
bit
like
the
punch
through
I'm
just
really
curious
what
this
committee
thinks
of
it's,
not
just
the
mass.
B
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
mishmash
of
materials
and
designs
in
this
particular
corner,
or
this
you
know
section
of
the
downtown,
but
it
just
this
building
just
has
a
lot
of
different
kind
of
roof
lines,
kind
of
jogging
around
and
up
and
down
and
cutting
in
and
cutting
out,
and
then
we
also
have
the
balconies
that
protrude
and
we
also
have
this
kind
of
hidden,
recessed
area.
Where
I
know
in
some
of
the
informal
discussion
there
was
some
question
about.
B
You
know
trying
to
enhance
the
principal
entrance
into
the
into
the
structure,
so
it
re
read,
you
know
stronger,
and
so
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
I
think
you
know.
Staff
is
particularly
curious
what
the
committee
thinks
and
whether
or
not
there
are
other
things
that
want
to
be
shared,
so
I'll
stop
there,
and
I
don't
know
if
peter
said
have
more
that
they
want
to
offer
or
if
the
committee
just
wants
to
kind
of
jump
in
with
some
questions.
N
Can
I
just
offer
one
comment
regarding
the
shape
of
the
building:
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
to
meet
the
step,
rack
requirements
for
building
that's
even
modest
in
height,
because
the
step
backs
are
required
on
both
main
streets.
N
So
if
this
were
in
mid
block,
it
would
probably
most
likely
have
a
little
bit
more
of
or
fewer
step
backs,
but
because
we're
looking
at
a
we're
facing
two
key
streets,
the
step
backs
are
required
along
both
streets.
So
the
strategy
was,
we
would
step
in
the
required
10
feet
along
two
thirds
of
each
facade,
which
is
what
one
of
the
options
is
in
the
guidelines.
So
what
you're?
Looking
at
in
plan?
N
It
is
essentially
a
nine
square
grid
and
there's
a
third,
a
third,
a
third
on
the
south
market
street
side
and
one
third
one.
Third,
one.
Third,
on
the
biltmore
avenue
side,
we've
chosen
to
do
our
step
backs
based
on
pushing
in
two-thirds
of
each
facade
on
those
respective
streets
to
meet
that
requirement
above
the
height
limit.
N
B
So
I
might
have
to
defer
to
sasha
on
this,
but
I
actually
didn't
think
step
backs
applied,
because
the
width
of
biltmore
avenue
is
60
feet
and
you
establish
your
street
wall
based
on
the
width
of
biltmore
avenue
and
that
would
be
basically
the
floor
of
the
highest
level.
So
I
felt
like
we
measure
height
from
the
base
to
the
floor
of
the
highest
level,
so
that
is
60
feet
as
I
measured
it.
So
I
didn't
think
we
actually
had
a
step
back.
A
I'm
gonna
mute
you
guys
because
you're
so
much
feedback.
I
know
we
went
through
this
building
and
I
can't
remember
if
we
did
it
with
peter
and
eric
or
sid
and
with
jessica,
and
we
I
don't
entirely
remember
where
the
front.
If
the
front
was
south
market
or
was
the
front
on
the
water,
because.
N
N
A
N
B
Yeah,
I
I
it
might
be
me
peter.
I
might
be
misunderstanding.
I
I
thought
that
we
weren't
applying
step
backs
in
this
particular
project,
and
so
that
was
part
of
why
I
was
a
little
confused
about
all
of
the
lines
and
such,
but
we'll
talk
about
that.
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
best
use
of
our
limited
time
today.
So,
let's,
let's,
let's
you
me
and
sasha
kind
of
explore
that
more
and
we'll
figure
that
out.
B
J
I
still
like
it
peter
I
like
the
reveals
that
you've
introduced.
I,
like
the
materials,
that's
come
a
long
way.
I
got
got
some
nitpicks
as
as
usual.
So
let
me
let
me
back
up
real,
quick
and
address
shannon's
question,
so
my
understanding
of
that
one
f
is
talk
about
you
know.
We
don't
want
these
buildings
that
are
all
these
big
long
kind
of
you
know
100
foot
long
blocks.
We
don't
want
federal
buildings
in
anymore.
J
We
want
buildings
that
are
better
designed,
and
I
believe
this
one
is
that
it's
got
the
the
way
the
bait
is
articulated
the
way
the
corners
articulated
peter's
got
that
kind
of
recessed
piece
that
corresponds
with
the
break
in
the
restaurant
and
retail.
J
I
think
I
think
all
that
works
and
I
think
that
meets
my
interpretation
of
the
intent
of
that
section
of
the
design
guidelines,
at
least
at
least
that
would
be
my
interpretation
of
it
from
an
architectural
perspective,
nitpicks
peter
and
said
the
as
I'm
as
I'm
looking
at
this
image.
J
A
couple
things
one,
the
the
perforation
stuff
is
just
not
working
the
building
is,
is
got
a
fairly
high
level
of
refinement
and
the
way
that
piece
just
kind
of
hangs
down.
In
some
cases
it
it
it
hangs
out
over
the
nichihop
cladding
and
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
really
got
a
any
kind
of
bottom
to
it.
I
don't
know
it's
just.
J
J
I
think
part
of
it
is
that
you've
got
just
such
a
well-defined
with
with
the
way
you're
doing
the
reveals
and
the
way
you're
continuing
everything
everything
is
kind
of
boxed
and
framed,
and
then
you've
got
this
piece
that
kind
of
it's
like
it
doesn't
know
where
to
stop
so
it
hangs
down
below
and
above
and
it's
it's
just.
I
don't
know
it's
it's
for
some
reason.
It's
it's
jarring
to
me.
That
is
just
you
know
how
I
do
I'm
sorry
that
on.
D
J
Former
avenue
side
that
little
covered
area
that
yeah
that,
on
the
on
the
right
hand,
side
in
that
roof.
That
piece
looks
really
light
to
me
on
that
covered
roof.
I
don't
know
why
it's
like
it
wants
to
be
thicker
and
up
here,
more
yeah
that
the
way
that
that
thin
thing
is
it
just
kind
of
looks
tacked
on
right
now
and
the
way
that
column's
standing
out
there
in
the
middle
of
nowhere.
J
I
don't
know
it
just
it's
not
finished,
I
think,
and
then
I
would
say
I
like
like
this
is
a
great
elevation
to
look
at
so
you've.
I
like
the
way
you
kind
of
started
to
tuck
the
balconies
on
top
of
and
underneath
on
the
on
the
corner
there
at
biltmore
market
right,
so
they
feel
integrated
the
ones
on
the
other
side
feel
like
they're,
just
really
tacked
on
and
hanging
off.
N
J
J
D
A
Is
my
first
rodeo
with
downtown
design
guidelines
and
the
things
that
I
saw
peter
were
on
the
the
pallet
of
materials
they
came
across
as
non-urban
material
palette
and
looking
at
the
recommendations,
you
know
the
2f
talks
about
brick,
terracotta
cut
stone
or
other
materials
similar
to
brick
that
are
used
for
large
surfaces
and
then
a
recommendation.
2G
authentic
materials
are
encouraged
and
often
simulated
finished
systems.
D
A
It
would
last-
and
I
said
it
won't
last
long
as
we
all
know
and
that's
you
know
again,
I'm
looking
at
the
guidelines.
You
know
it
says
not
to
use
that
material.
N
Yeah
we,
the
the
thought
behind
the
fiber
cement
panel,
was
that
we're
trying
to
push
the
client
to
not
do
the
whole
building
in
ethos.
So
the
compromise
with
them
right
now
is
that
they
like
this
fiber
cement
pail.
It
has
a
linear
score
mark
in
it
that
it's
not
a
big
panel.
N
They
would
typically
see
on
a
on
a
more
of
a
market
rate
apartment
building,
but
something
that's
a
thicker
panel,
a
little
bit
more
refined
and
the
image
on
the
left
hand.
Side
is
an
image
that
shows
the
application
of
that
material,
I
believe
in
either
portland
or
seattle,
so
we're
trying
to
move
away
from
all
of
our
clients
who,
like
using
evis,
because
it's
inexpensive
to
move
them
into
something
that
is
a
better
longer
lasting
material.
So
this
is
our
our.
A
Your
compromise,
I
appreciate
that
I
understand,
but
I'm
just
looking
at
the
guidelines.
The
other
thought
was,
you
know.
It's
been
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
about
not
a
default,
there's
not
a
defined
entrance
to
the
building,
and
I
think
that
that's
another
design
issue
that
I
I've
noticed.
You
know
been
been
noted
a
couple
of
times
by
people.
N
Yeah
my
comment
or
response
to
that
is
they're
they're,
really
three
entrances
into
the
building.
One
is
the
retail
space
down
on
the
southwest
corner.
The
other
is
at
the
northwest
corner,
which
is
the
where
the
restaurant
entry
is
and
then
the
third
one,
of
course,
is
a
residential
entry
on
the
market
street
side.
So
we're
trying
to.
N
At
one
point,
we
had
more
room
but
had
to
push
the
building
north
in
order
to
have
windows
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
due
to
the
proximity
to
the
property
line,
so
we're
we're
shoehorning
this
building
in
and
and
due
to
the
sizes
of
the
units
that
are
really
on
the
small
side
compared
to
other
units
of
this
type.
So
we
we
felt.
N
N
N
But
we
put
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
put
into
trying
to
make
that
a
distinct
entry
that
is
really
private
from
the
other
parts
of
the
building
that
are
obviously
more
public.
J
I
felt
like
you'd
address
the
entrance
to
the
restaurant
from
the
earlier
schemes,
and
I
felt
like
the
residential
interest
was
was
more
prominent
than
it
was
before.
I
guess
it
would
be
that
that
little
entrance
on
the
retail
side
that
could
still
use
some.
J
N
J
Karen
craig
nolan
had
asked
she
said
with
no
sidewalk
on
one
side.
How
do
pedestrians
and
wheelchairs
access
here?
I
I
I'm
not
sure,
but
we
have
sidewalks
on
the
two
sides.
D
A
N
They're
all
the
parking
in
the
building
is
private,
so
you
would
go
in
the
building.
It's
for
the
the
you
know,
people
who
live
there,
there's
an
elevator
that
services
every
floor
of
the
parking
garage.
D
N
N
Yeah
you
come
out
that
that's
all
handicap
accessible
just
inside
that
door
is
a
it's
a
lobby
for
the
residents
and
then
just
past.
That's
the
elevator
that
services,
the
entire
building.
N
L
That's
that
road,
through
there
is
extremely
wide,
and
this
this
kind
of
helps,
define
it
a
little
bit
better.
If
you
look
at
curb
line,
curb
line
and
paint
out
there
on
our
wack
thereof
paint
it's
it's
kind
of
a
sea
of
of
asphalt.
B
B
B
A
My
only
comment
would
be:
there
is
a
reparations
event
tonight.
Atomic
wolf
auditorium,
which
you
can
also
watch,
live
and
staff,
including
myself,
will
be
there
so.
A
So
I
hope
that
helps
the
applicant
peter.
I
hope
that
helps.
A
And
I
would
ask
on
our
agenda,
is
a
informal
discussion
in
public
comment
and
if
we
have
anybody
david
waiting.