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B
Good
afternoon
I'm
chair,
Darren,
Green
and
I'd
like
to
welcome
you,
welcome
you
to
the
October
13
2022
Asheville
area,
Riverfront
Redevelopment,
commission
meeting.
The
purpose
of
the
aarrc
is
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
county
and
overall
policy
for
the
continued
development
and
sustainability
of
the
regional
Riverfront.
The
commission
provides
recommendations
to
the
city
and
county
for
Effective
management
of
the
public
resources
for
the
districts
and
actively
pursues
and
assist
private
sector
investments
in
the
districts.
B
B
Made
up
of
14
members
representing
the
city
of
Asheville,
the
Council
of
Independent
Business
owners,
riverlink
Asheville
city
council,
Buncombe,
County,
Commission
and
the
town
of
Woodfin.
Our
committees
consist
of
mobility
and
transportation
connections
and
Public
Safety,
including
River
Recreation
and
water
quality.
All
commission
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
the
committee
meetings,
a
bit
differently
for
cement
to
North
Carolina
General
statute
166a-19.24.
This
will
be
a
remote
meeting
which
the
public
can
access
by
any
of
the
following
means.
B
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
to
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
Public
Public
to
Listen
by
phone
by
calling
855-925-2801.
The
meeting
code
number
is
9385
for
callers
to
call
in
and
listen
send
public
comments
by
email
to
Riverfront,
commission
October
13
at
public
input.com.
For
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
today.
Welcome
what
I
call
this
meeting
to
order.
B
E
B
Thank
you
all.
We
do
have
more
than
seven
members,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum
to
vote
staff.
Was
there
any
public
comment
received
in
advance
of
this
meeting.
B
Thank
you
moving
on
to
continuing
business
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
part
for
participating
and
and
helping
out
in
the
water
quality
Summit,
which
was
surprisingly
only
a
month
ago.
B
It
seems
like
it
was
six
months
ago
and
I
think
it
was
a
a
really
successful
event
and
again
big
thanks
to
to
Ann
Keller
for
for
helping
to
put
that
event
together
and
and
Samantha
and
Kate
and
Joe
for
also
contributing
and
all
of
you
for
being
there
and
and
supporting
it
has
has
everyone
have
had
an
opportunity
to
read
through
the
water
quality
Summit
report?
B
Okay,
we're
going
to
use
that
and
we're
going
to
vote
on
that.
As
from
our
minutes
from
the
last
meeting,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
roll
call
again
and
actually
excuse
me,
I'm
going
to
go
back,
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
those
that
document
as
our
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
E
B
F
E
B
Two
things
that
really
stood
out
from
that
report
were
that
there
needs
to
be
more
emphasis
on
working
with
elected
officials,
both
the
in
the
local
Regional
and
state
Statewide,
and
as
well
as
the
education
and
marketing
to
the
public
and
I'd
like
to
take
a
couple
minutes
and
I'm,
going
to
throw
it
to
Ann
right
now
to
talk
about
speaking
to
and
communicating
some
ideas
and
doing
also
some
education
for
our
elected
officials
and
what
what
we
might
want
to
do
as
a
commission
moving
forward
and.
D
Well,
I
think
it
was
pretty
clear
that
getting
people
to
be
more
aware
of
and
knowledgeable
about
the
river
and
its
health
is
a
top
priority,
and
you
know
considering
there's
different
ways
of
doing
that.
Obviously,
we
need
more
public
awareness
and
concern
because
they're
the
ones
who
ask
city,
council
or
county
commissioner
whomever
it
is
to
take
action,
but
the
other
part
of
it
is
helping.
The
elected
officials
understand
the
situation
with
education
with
information.
D
D
B
Yeah
and
you
had
we
had
shared,
we
had
had
a
conversation,
you
and
I
about
having
to
be
a
small
teen
of
folks
that
could
have
those
one-on-one
small
group
meetings
with
these
elected
officials.
Yeah.
D
I
think
that's
really
important
to
schedule
meetings
not
till
after
the
elections,
because
people
will
be
changing
and
that
would
be
kind
of
a
waste
of
time
and
they're
not
interested
anyway
right
now,
but
to
set
up
some
meetings
with
various
elected
officials
and
go
to
their
offices
and
talk
to
them
about
the
situation
and
get
a
sense
of
where
they
are
and
see.
If
we
can
move
them
a
little
bit
towards
a
a
better
way
of
dealing
with
this,
whether
that's
money
or
new
legislation
or
whatever.
D
That
might
be
so
so
that
we're
talking
about
two
or
three
people
who
could
make
those
meetings
and
you
know,
be
consistently
involved.
Who
are
who
would
be
able
to
voice
the
the
results
of
the
meeting,
but
also
elicit
some
interaction
and
thought
from
the
elected
officials.
B
Thank
you.
So
would
you
like
those
who
might
be
interested
to
reach
out
to
you
directly
Ann,
and
you
too,
you
all
can
have
a
conversation
about
what
that
would
entail.
D
Sure
Kate
has
already
indicated
interest
in
that.
So
there's
two
of
us
already
another
person
would
be
nice
to
have
to
you
know,
provide
other
approaches
and
input
on
that
who
could
consistently
attend
and
be
thoughtful
about
it
so
yeah
if
you're
interested,
let
me
know,
and
let's
see
what
we
can
put
together.
F
Are
you
asking
for
others
from
our
commission
Darren
or
from
the
community
or.
F
D
We're
talking
about
all
over
this
all
over
the
region,
state
county
I
mean
yeah
snake
County
local
it'd
be
quite
a
bit
of
work
so
anyway,
we'll
have
to
see
who's
interested
and
who
can
make
a
commitment,
and
we
would
then
develop
a
plan
and
go
about
it.
B
Thank
you.
The
other
big
point
that
was
discussed
over
the
at
the
summit
was
education
and,
and
that
could
come
in
all
kinds
of
forms.
B
I've
been
doing
a
little
research
on
what
other
organizations
and
communities
have
been
doing
to
promote
the
water
quality
in
their
region.
I've
started
to
find
some
really
interesting
documents
too,
from
the
EPA,
where
it's
almost
a
handbook
on
how
to
how
to
how
to
craft
and
basically
develop
a
marketing
plan,
a
social
media
campaign
on
getting
the
public
involved
and
interested
and
focused
on
water
quality.
So
I
am
happy
to
help.
B
You
know
lead
this
working
group
on
the
development
of
some
ideas
and
some
crafting
some.
You
know
some
some
documents
that
could
that
we
could
share
with
both
our
city
and
county
officials
per
our
purview
and-
and
you
know,
let's
find
some
ways
on
educating
the
public
on
what
what
we
have
found
out.
What
we've
learned
again,
another
just
another
way
to
put
a
little
more
emphasis
on
these
issues
that
you
know
that.
B
Officials
may
not
be
thinking
about,
may
not
have
on
their
radar
and
if
we
can
get
the
public
involved
in
in
really
helping
to
push
this
initiative.
It'll
it'll
probably
have
a
lot
of
have
a
big
impact
on
being
able
to
make
some
changes.
So
I
am
happy
to
open
that
up
for
discussion
and
invite
anybody
who
would
like
to
work
with
me
on
that.
F
I
had
a
couple
of
questions,
I
guess
maybe
to
Anne
or
anyone
who
might
know.
Maybe
someone
from
the
city
or
other
City
people
back
on
board.
Are
they
still
excluded?
Here?
Are
the
city
people
listening.
C
F
Okay,
okay,
well
I
I,
know
in
the
notes
and
that
there
was
a
part
where
it
talked
about.
You
know.
Part
of
the
problems
with
storm
water
was
where
Lake
was
from
leaking
septic
tanks
sewer
over
overflows,
poor
agricultural
practices.
How
much
or
do
we
know
have
any
idea
about
old
infrastructure
in
the
city
like
old
sewer
lines
themselves
that
have
been
there
100
years
and
maybe
leaking
I
know,
there's
a
there's,
some
kind
of
effort
to
replace,
but
do
they
replace
Stephanie?
You
might
know
this:
do
they
replace
them?
A
A
But
this
we
do
have
a
very
large
backlog
of
me
of
for
a
maintenance
list,
it's
very
large,
and
it
includes
both
problems
that
someone
just
calls
in,
because
something
is
broken
or
we
have
a
sinkhole
or
something
like
that,
and
then
it
includes
planned
Capital
Improvements,
where
City
staff
knows
that
we
need
to
make
some
major
infrastructure
changes.
I
am
not
aware-
and
maybe
somebody
else
is
here,
but
it
is
not
within
my
expertise
to
know
that
we
would
actually
have
data
on.
A
You
know
like
we
wouldn't
have
the
entire
system
for
the
city
of
Asheville
mapped
out.
That
says
how
old
these
structures
are
and
where
and
and
real
data.
That
would
say
it's
leaking
here
or
leaking
there
and
in
your
work
with
the
stormwater
task
force.
Would
you
be
able
to
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more
than
me.
D
You
know:
there's
water
quality
sampling
going
on
that
people
can
use.
You
can
backtrack
up
to
locations,
sometimes
with
that,
but
right
now
I,
don't
think
it's
it's
it's
enough!
You
know
we
don't
have
all
the
information
about
that.
I
think
the
city
staff
are
aware
of
where
some
of
the
old
things
are
and
yeah
it's
a
matter
of
not
enough
money
and
not
enough
people
right
now
that
to
address
some
of
these
things.
A
I
can
also
add
that
whenever
we
have
a
a
significant
Capital
project,
we
do
our
best
to
I'll.
Give
an
example:
Cox
avenue
is
a
project
that
we're
starting
the
design
work
for
next
year,
probably
in
January
February.
A
We
will
actually
get
the
entire
system
underneath
Cox
avenue
videoed,
so
we
will
go
through
there
and
we
will
look
so
that
we
can
identify
any
issues,
knowing
that,
because
we're
doing
a
major
streetscape
project
that
we're
going
to
redo
the
infrastructure
and
before
we
start
ripping
things
up,
we
want
to
know
what
the
concerns
are.
F
That
sounds
good.
The
other
question
that
I
had
was
that
you
know
we
talked
about
some
about
runoff
from
livestock
and
other
animals,
and
then
I
mentioned
you
know
stream.
Bank
erosion
is
that
are
those
two
parts
of
the
same
thing
Ann?
Is
that
where
people
have
cows
and
they
get
their
water
from
a
stream
or
they
go
up
and
down
a
bank
to
get
to
the
stream
or
do
we
must
have
data
on
on?
Where
that
comes
into
the
into
play?.
D
I
think
the
impacts
you're
mentioning
could
be
separate
or
together
they
could
be
simultaneous
or
they
could
be
separate
and
I.
Don't
think
they're
as
adequate
information
on
that.
There
are
a
lot
of
interesting
limits
on
information
related
to
the
agricultural
sector
based
on
the
farm
bill,
so
it
creates
another
interesting
knowledge
challenge.
E
D
F
D
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
efforts
underway
and
and
lots
of
different
sources
of
funding,
it's
a
matter
of
who
can
do
what,
when
and
how
much
they
have
to
contribute
for
their
matching
and
all
these
other
sorts
of
things
Joe.
It's
it's
not
an
easy
answer.
Okay,.
B
So
the
final,
well,
not
the
final,
but
one
of
the
other
big
parts
of
the
the
next
steps
on
the
water
quality
Summit
is
to
actually
develop
a
plan,
something
that
we
can.
We
can
share
with
both
the
city
and
county
officials.
That
say
this
is
what
we,
after
our
due
diligence
and
research
and
our
efforts.
This
is
what
we
recommend
they
do,
and
this
may
not
come
out
for
a
few
months.
B
You
know
we
we
need
time
to
talk
to
officials
and
talk
to
other
organizations
and
Galvanize
this
this
Galvanize
these
thoughts
and
make
sure
that
they're
in
line
with
with
what
needs
to
happen.
D
Darren
I
want
to
just
interrupt
there
because
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
plan
amongst
ourselves
in
this
group
I,
don't
think
we
have
enough
expertise
or
enough
information.
I
think
we
have
to
work
with
city
and
county
and
state
and
federal
agencies
and
organizations
and
non-profits
and
a
lot
so
they
need
to
be
part
of
the
conversation.
That's
my
recommendation.
Yeah.
D
Not
us,
we
have
to
establish
a
work
group,
including
other
people,
who
would
be
able
to
identify
this
and
it's
it's
a
tall
order.
So
it
could
take
a
very
long
time,
it's
hard
to
know,
but
I
think
we
have
to
organize
it
and
have
it
established
and
these
other
entities
have
to
agree
to
participate.
There
could
be
some
reasons
that
they
are
overwhelmed
and
don't
want
to
or
can't
or
have
something
else
already
ongoing
and
I
think.
The
first
thing
is
to
have
the
conversation
with
the
appropriate
different
folks,
I.
H
I'd
just
want
to
reiterate
what
I
heard
Darren
say
was
I
think
these
two
committees,
by
gathering
information
for
the
education
and
for
what
Ann
and
her
group
was
going
to
do,
will
elicit
more
information.
You
know,
there's
nothing
like
you
know.
Learning
by
teaching,
so
I
I
think
that
we
know
it's
going
to
take
a
while,
but
I
think
that,
having
a
maybe
a
time
frame
as
to
when
we
want
to
get
to
that
or
just
not
letting
all
that
effort
that
we
that
was
put
out
dissipate
is
is
important.
D
D
What's
the
right
word,
I
can't
think
of
it
right
now,
but
wrong
if
we
just
sat
down
and
started
doing
it
even
after
we
have
these
discussions,
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
group
that
is
including
representatives
from
these
other
organizations
they
have
to
be
buying
in
and
contributing
to
it
because
they're
going
to
have
to
implement
it,
we
don't
have
money
or
people
to
do
any
Watershed
work.
Let's
be
honest,.
B
Yeah
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement
here
and
I
think
you
know,
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
our
our
our
mission,
our
goal.
Our
purpose
is
to
provide
recommendations.
So,
at
the
end
of
this
year
we
are
going
to
want
to
provide
a
bullet
point
list
of
recommendations
to
both
the
city
and
the
county
and
I
think
some
of
what
we're
talking
about
now.
What
we've
discussed
last
month
are
going
to
be
distilled.
B
B
So
and
I
think
working
with
these
smaller
groups,
we
can
try
to
even
distill
these
bigger,
broader
Concepts
into
something
more
defined
and
share
those
with
those
other
non-profits
and
other
other
folks
that
are
already
working
on
this
work.
B
All
saying
the
same
thing
and
that
again
I
appreciate
everybody's
work
and
efforts,
and
this
and
for
those
of
you
who
would
like
to
work
on
the
marketing
part.
Please
contact
me.
The
marketing
education
and,
if
you're,
interested
in
working
with
Ann
I,
know
she's
looking
for
probably
one
or
two
more
people
reach
out
to
her
so
I.
B
All
right,
so
we
have
a
development
impact
review.
It's
for
the
stone
yard
project,
it's
online
extension
and
Lyman,
Street,
Road
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
pass
the
microphone
over
to
the
folks
that
are
representing
this
development.
I
Thank
you,
chair,
I'll
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
us
started
here.
We
do
have
folks
from
the
development
team
good
afternoon.
Everyone
I'm
will
Palmquist
principal
planner
with
planning
and
Urban
Design
I
am
working
on
reviewing
this
new
project
in
the
riverfront
design
area
also
be
taking
it
through
to
designer
view,
committee
and
eventually
city
council
for
the
conditional
zoning
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
here.
I
B
I
So
I'll
just
walk
through
some
of
the
basic
overview
of
the
project
and
then
kind
of
think
through
a
little
bit
of
the
development
impacts
framework
for
the
riverfront
Commission
as
well,
and
then
we
can
turn
it
over
to
the
applicants
who
are
representing
the
project
if
there
are
any
more
any
more
questions,
so
this
project
is
located
in
the
Lyman
streets
sector
of
the
riverfront
design
area.
I
It's
just
in
that
corner
where,
where
Lyman
Street
turns
at
the
roundabout,
where
Riverside
Drive
continues
on
and
this
project
and
the
site
was
actually
approved
for
a
conditional
zoning
a
couple
years
ago,
a
couple
few
years
ago,
I
think
they
originally
were
proposing.
I
133
residential
units
and
the
project
has
been,
has
changed,
hands
and
basically
the
applicants
coming
back
with
a
an
amendment
to
that
conditional
zoning
and
what's
being
proposed,
is
a
six-story
building
with
263
residential
units
and
about
four
to
five
thousand
square
feet
of
retail
space
and
artist
studio
space
to
yes,
this
is
the
old
brickyards
site,
I
believe
those
structures
were
were
structurally
compromised
and
they
were
I'm
demolished
recently
and
there's
an
old,
maybe
ice
house
I.
A
Yeah
I
think
most
people
knew
it
all.
This
is
the
staff
hi.
Everybody
is
and
I'll
just
remind
everybody.
So
for
the
interest
of
the
public
being
able
to
hear
the
questions
too,
just
raise
your
hand
and
will
will
call
on
you.
This
was
called
the
stone
yard.
So
the
original
development
proposal
on
this
site
that
was
completely
approved
through
city
council
was
the
stone
yard
site.
I
Yep
and
then
this
project
has
kind
of
renamed
to
Woodfield
stone
yard.
So,
as
mentioned,
the
project
requires
a
conditional
zoning
so
to
the
residential
I
guess
actually,
the
commercial
expansion
District,
because
it
has
mixed-use
elements,
but
a
lot
of
the
rad
River
form
code
applies.
I
So
that's
how
staff
will
be
evaluating
it
when
it
goes
to
planning
and
zoning,
and
then
city
council
eventually
and
then
review
next
week
at
design,
Review
Committee
and
then
other
any
comments
that
kind
of
get
generated
today
throughout
the
discussion
we'll
get
forwarded
on
to
to
that
committee
for
their
consideration,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
the
overall
layout
of
the
building,
mostly
a
square
shape,
with
a
kind
of
a
courtyard
inset
in
the
northwest
corner
of
the
site.
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
read
it
on
the
on
the
plans,
but
essentially
the
first
two
stories
is
a
structured
Parking
Deck
with
four
stories
of
apartments.
Above
on
the
ground
floor,
there
is
a
Lobby
space
and
and
I
don't
know.
If
you
can
see
my
cursor
I
think
you
can
a
Lobby
space
located
on
the
southern
side
of
the
courtyard,
and
then
the
retail
artist
studios
are
located
on
the
Northern
elevation
at
Lyman,
Street
North,
so
to
speak.
I
Project
is
a
bit
challenging
because
a
lot
of
it
is
in
a
flood
plain.
So
a
lot
of
the
design
considerations
are
kind
of
driven
by
that
reality.
To
some
degree,
some
of
the
parking
will
be
available
for
the
public
and
for
the
retail
artists,
spaces
and
the
rest
will
be
available
will
be
for
residents
that
that
live
there.
I
Oh,
let's
see
I'm
gonna
flip
to
the
elevation
drawings.
So
this
first
elevation
is
the
west
elevation.
So
this
is
what
be
facing
kind
of
Lyman
Street
on
the
west
side,
if
you're
looking
at
it
kind
of
from
the
river,
so
to
speak,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
two-story
parking
deck
parking
structure
with
some
screening
elements,
one
of
the
garage
entrances
located
further
south
on
that
elevation,
as
well
as
a
loading
overhead
door
where
folks
can
can
move
in,
can
be
used
for
moving.
I
It
can
be
used
for
for
dumpster
and
trash
collection
as
well.
You
also
get
a
sense
of
some
of
the
materials
being
proposed
kind
of
a
combination
of
different
things,
so
fiber
cement
panels,
brick
veneer
and
then
some
like
aluminum
and
metal
accent,
components
as
well
scrolling
down
a
bit
to
the
North
elevation.
I
So
this
is
kind
of
facing
the
traffics.
The
the
roundabout
there's
also
there's
another
garage
entrance
on
on
that
elevation
as
well.
So
there
are
two
entrances,
one
off
of
each
side
of
Lyman
Street.
I
We
can
see
some
of
the
stone
veneer
proposed
in
the
center
section
of
the
elevation
as
well,
and
then
the
storefronts
located
here,
they're
noted
as
having
Floodgate
Channel
systems.
So
they
can,
if
you
mitigate
any
any
kind
of
flooding
events,
and
then
the
artist
studios
are,
are
detailed
in
this
Center
portion
of
the
building.
I
Oh,
let's
see
there
are
some
Courtyard
elevations.
So
in
that
corner
you
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
how
that
how
that
would
work,
there's
also
some
Courtyard,
renderings
and
Concepts
that
the
applicant
has
provided
that
we
can
look
through
as
well
and
might
be
a
little
more
illustrative.
I
I
So
I'm
trying
to
give
you
a
thorough,
a
lot
of
elevations.
Let's
see.
J
I
do
hi
if
you're
looking
for
the
East
Elevation
yeah.
B
J
I
Yeah,
okay,
yeah
and
then
this
is
the
the
East
Elevation
kind
of
the
back
of
the
building,
so
to
speak,
facing
the
railroad
tracks.
Those
are
all
the
major
elevations.
I
There
are
additional
elevations
for
the
courtyard
renderings
and
then
a
few
of
those
Concepts.
Actually
let
me
show
you
the
some
of
the
renderings
the
applicant
has
provided.
This
is
kind
of
the
northern
perspective,
the
artist
studio
spaces
and
then
sorry,
computer's
being
a
bit
slow.
I
And
then
the
view
looking
kind
of
Southeast
across
the
the
roundabout
to
LA
to
both
Lyman
streets,
you
get
a
kind
of
a
sense
of
the
the
scale,
interaction
of
the
courtyard
and
the
first
two
stories
of
the
the
structured
parking
with
the
building
above
and
then
the
way
the
different
bays
and
massings
kind
of
work
together.
In
that
regard,
a
little
more
of
a
digital
view
that
same
kind
of
angle.
I
This
is
the
north
Northeast
perspective.
Looking
down
Lyman
Street
a
few
of
the
plaza
Concepts
that
have
been
submitted.
They
all
kind
of
have
some
similar
elements.
I
This
one
is
kind
of
thinking
about
a
rain
Garden
in
the
center,
with
the
bioswale
along
the
sidewalk,
with
with
seating
towards
the
building
kind
of
a
similar
concept.
Here,
concept
number
two
with
some
different
spatial
configurations,
trying
to
kind
of
tie
into
some
of
the
existing
materials
in
the
built
environment
nearby
and
then
concept
number
three
kind
of
a
combined
bioswale
and
Rain
garden
and
more
of
a
kind
of
Hardscape
Plaza.
I
So
and
then,
lastly,
just
thinking
about
some
of
the
the
framework
checklists
and
some
of
the
Thematic
items
to
kind
of
help
think
through
some
of
the
impacts
and
benefits
of
the
projects,
so
thinking
about
water
quality
and
storm
water,
you
know
I,
think
the
projects
incorporate
some
of
those
aspects
like
the
BIOS
whale
and
and
and
so
forth.
I
In
the
courtyard
I
know,
the
building
is,
is
designed
to
be
flood
resistant
and
and
designed
to
be
such
so
it
is
a
challenging
site
and
the
Project's
kind
of
designed
to
mitigate
the
the
fact
that
it's
in
the
floodplain
and
the
potential
impacts
of
that
parking
and
multimodal
transportation.
The
project
does
provide
about
80
public
spaces,
that'll
be
used
for
folks,
visiting
the
retail
spaces
or
the
artist
Studios.
I
The
the
sidewalks
are
just
proposed
to
remain
in
place.
They're
they're,
pretty
new
as
part
of
the
rad
tip
project,
so
those
existing
sidewalks
would
remain.
Although
the
plaza
area,
the
corner
will
be,
will
be
increased
and
improved
as
well.
There's
also
bicycle
parking
located
along
Lyman,
Street
and
interior
to
the
garage
as
well.
G
J
We
do
this
is
Lisa
with
housing
studio.
We
do
have
both
public
and
residential
EB
charging
stations.
I
think
we're
accounting
for
at
least
eight
or
nine.
At
this
point,
and
then
we
have
the
capability
for
expansions
in
the
future.
So.
J
I
think
I
think
that
we're
continuing
to
look
at
that
because
I
know
the
demand
for
that
is
growing
and
I'm
I'm
just
right
now.
Cold
I
can't
remember
the
number
on
top
of
my
and
what
what
we
put
in
there,
but
we
do
have
the
thought
of
there
being
a
need
for
more
I,
know
we're
not
putting
in
you
know
50
EB
chargers
at
this
point,
but
again
we
have
within
our
design
when
we
hit
the
street,
we'll
have
the
capability,
the
condiment
in
place
and
the
electrical
load
capacity
for
expansion
in.
G
The
future
I'm
aware
of
I'm,
aware
of
one
large
luxury
apartment
building
in
within
that's
having
difficulty
their
tenant
turnover
is
skyrocketing,
and
the
manager
tells
us
that
that's
one
of
the
top
reasons
that
kind
of
rinsed
their
charging
their
tenants
are
demanding
charging
stations
and
they're
not
able
to
supply
them.
So
I
I'd
really
hope
that
you'd
at
least
put
the
infrastructure
in
for
100
of
them,
or
maybe
200,
because
that's
that
is
our
future
or
it
appears
to
be.
K
I'll
chime
in,
but
my
name
is
Brian
Schick
I'm,
the
applicant
and
developer
with
Woodfield,
and
you
raised
a
great
point.
This
is
a
moving
Target,
as
you
know,
Mr
McAllister,
so
just
to
kind
of
amplify
what
Lisa
said
we
already
have
eight
or
ten
planned
for
both
our
residents
and
the
public
and
the
the
key
that
our
consultants
and
our
contractors
tell
us
is
design
our
panels
to
be
expandable.
So
that's
that's!
K
Really
the
Holy
Grail,
it's
far
cheaper
for
us
to
design
our
electrical
panels
today
for
expansion
for
these
needs
because
they
take
about
40
or
50
amps
per
charger,
which
is
a
good
bit
of
demand
so
build
that
into
the
panel
today.
Conduit
is
cheap
and
then,
as
we
see
how
it's
used
and
where
it's
used,
we
we're
planning
for
the
future.
So
we
we
hear
you
loud
and
clear,
and
and
it's
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
it's
good
for
economics
as
well.
That's.
K
F
It
was
very
different,
but
one
thing
we
had
concern
about
was
what
the
pedestrians
see
when
they're
walking
along
the
building
along
the
sidewalk
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
there's
the
courtyard
in
that
corner,
I
guess
it's,
it
would
be
the
Western
yeah,
the
one
towards
the
the
roundabout
that
little
elevated
Courtyard
is
a
is
a
good
addition
and
I
guess
there
will
be
the
artist
Studios
there.
F
K
Joe,
this
is
Brian
I'll,
chime
in
again
and
just
and
Lisa
can
chime
in
as
well
so
will,
if
you
could,
let's
just
move
this
image
up
a
little
bit,
so
folks
can
see.
Well,
let's
just
talk
about
the
top
image
there,
so
this
is
looking
from
David
and
Patty's
perspective
coming
down
river
Arts
place
where
we
have
our
garage
entering
from
the
same
Vantage
Point,
our
four
retail
Bays
to
the
there
are
four
base
to
the
right,
which
you
see
lit
up,
and
rather
colorful
one
to
the
left.
K
The
one
to
the
left
is
larger.
We
think
that
has
the
capacity
to
be
a
food
service
opportunity
and
we're
putting
a
grease
trap
nearby.
For
that
reason,
we
say:
artists
Studios,
we're
not
sure
if
they're
all
going
to
be
filled
by
artists,
some
sort
of
hard
Goods
retailers
or
is
an
option
as
well
and
I've
already
had
conversations
with
Jay
Hackett
at
Black,
Wall
Street
and
we
want
them
to
have
their
entrepreneurs
use
at
least
one
of
those
five
Bays.
K
So
we
have
that
memorandum
of
understanding
going
and
will
mentioned
that
to
meet
the
current
code.
Essentially,
we
think
both
levels
of
the
garage
are
potential
for
floods.
Certainly,
the
the
ground
floor
level.
I,
don't
have
to
tell
anybody
more
about
that
than
this
commission.
So
current
code
requires
us
to
have
an
habitated
areas
to
have
flood
gates
very
expensive.
The
gates
will
be
stored
in
the
garage,
we'll
go
into
slots
and
put
down
when
we
see
a
major
flood
event
like
we
just
saw
at
the
end.
K
So
when
we
have
advanced
notice
of
a
big
event
heading
our
way,
the
leasing
office
and
those
will
be
closed
up,
but
we're
trying
to
be
very
intentional
to
your
original
Point
Joe
about
having
The
Pedestrian
realm
be
very
engaging.
Well,
if
you
could
slide
up
or,
however,
you
see
it
down
to
show
this
color
rendering
down
below,
and
so
this
is
one
of
our
first
renderings.
We
did
very
different
than
the
last
concept
from
the
previous
developer.
K
We
saw
one
of
the
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
we
are
here
for
this
site
is
the
river
and
all
of
the
public
investment.
The
city
has
made
in
the
rad
tip
with
the
the
Dyckman
trail,
with
the
protected
bike
Lanes
with
the
traffic
circles,
the
way
finding
the
responsible,
bios
whales
and
engagement
with
the
river.
We
want
to
complement
that
and
and
enhance
that
further.
So
we
saw
this
corner
is
critical.
It's
a
gateway
to
the
river
Arts
District.
K
We
wanted
to
make
it
open
air
and
inviting
to
both
the
public
and
our
residents
to
not
have
it
closed
off
as
a
space
just
for
the
residents.
So
it's
essentially
public
space
on
private
land.
We
had
a
really
good
session
with
stakeholders
in
the
group
led
by
the
radpac
organization,
some
of
whom
are
on
this
call.
We
sat
on
stood
on
site
in
the
sun,
with
our
civil
engineer
and
with
our
Land
and
Landscape
planter
Seaman
Whiteside,
and
we
talked
about
it.
K
So
those
we
could
go
back
in
if
you
like,
but
a
lot
of
the
feedback
we
got
that
we're
trying
to
fulfill
is
to
use
the
existing
crosswalks.
Is
it
a
point
of
Engagement
understand
that
people
are
not
just
going
to
walk
a
90
degree
around
the
corner,
they're
going
to
want
to
cut
through
and
really
invite
them
to
cut
through
the
corner,
to
engage
with
with
it
to
continue
the
theme
of
what
was
done
with
the
radtip
responsibly,
with
the
bio,
swells
and
pervious
pavement?
K
So
we're
trying
to
achieve
that
and
then
again
back
to
your
original
comment,
Joe
to
make
it
engaging
to
both
the
resident
and
to
the
public,
because
this
is
kind
of
a
front
door.
If
you
will
to
the
river
Arts
District.
K
If
you
look
on
this
image
going
down
Lyman
towards
the
Swannanoa,
though,
that
front
that
elevation
in
The
Pedestrian
realm
is
entrances
to
the
garage
we're
trying
to
avoid
what
some
critics
have
called
cars
behind
bars
and
to
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
let
it
be
functional
to
let
the
water
flow
in
and
flow
out,
as
it
certainly
is,
going
to
do,
but
use
it
for
art
opportunities
on
one
of
the
other.
K
Elevations
you've
seen
we're
consideringly
seriously
talking
to
at
the
University
of
North
Carolina
Asheville
and
their
students
with
their
plasma
cutting
capability
to
create
a
plasma,
cutted
images
in
there
that
are
both
functional
and
attractive
and
will
engage
folks
as
they
walk
along
that
elevation.
And
then
we've
added
these.
These
weather
steel
or
core
10
elements
to
the
building,
which
is
a
bit
of
an
homage
to
the
industrial
area
that
the
the
river
and
the
the
railroad
and
this
Warehouse
District
have
been
long
ago
and
I'd
be
remiss.
K
It
probably
won't
end
up
looking
just
like
this,
but
we
have
harvested
many
of
the
pallets
of
bricks
from
the
old
coal
and
Ice
building,
and
we
intend
to
bring
those
back
in
that
courtyard
as
an
homage
Will's
now
zooming
in
on
the
elevation
where
those
we
see
the
holes,
that's
just
the
first
crack
at
what
could
be.
Maybe
some
Core
10
cutouts
to
let
water
flow
in
and
out,
but
still
have
some
some
visual
interest
to
The
Pedestrian
as
they
they
walk
through
along
this
building
online.
H
Or
Brian
spoke
about
meeting
with
Rat
Pack
a
meeting
with
a
group
in
front
of
the
building
with
with
David
and
Patty,
who
were
the
closest
neighbors
and
they
have
at
this
point,
the
developers
have
been
really
taking
information
from
the
local
community
and
trying
to
incorporate
it.
So
I
was
staying
quiet
in
the
beginning
of
this,
because
I
do
want
to
have
the
other
Commissioners
have
their
input
to
them.
But
I
will
say.
The
neighborhood
is
at
this
point
pretty
much
approving
of
the
aesthetic
of
what's
happening
to
this
site.
I
E
Sorry
I
actually
took
it
just
down.
If
you're
going
to
talk
about
economics.
Well,
I
I,
don't
know
if
I
missed
it.
I
was
just
curious
if
there's
any
initial
idea
of
affordability
in
terms
of
percentage
Ami
on
some
of
these
units
and
what
the
breakdown
is
as
it
stands
now,
on
residences.
K
Spin
I'll
speak
to
that.
This
is
Brian
with
Woodfield,
as
you
may
know,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
do
know,
but
the
last
product
to
get
approved
had
no
affordability.
So
it
was
100
market
rate.
K
We've
noticed
that
and
then
we've
also
heard
from
the
neighborhood,
particularly
the
merchants
that
they
appreciate
the
challenge
of
the
site
being
in
a
flood
plain.
They
appreciate
the
challenge
of
the
site,
also
being
a
Brownfield
and
we're
seeking
a
Brownfield
designation
from
the
state
of
North
Carolina.
So
that
does
bring
some
challenges
to
the
economics
of
the
site
for
sure
not
to
say
that
public
parking
is
more
important
in
affordable
housing
by
any
means.
K
But
we
did
get
a
lot
of
feedback
that
asking
us
to
continue
to
provide
the
same
number
of
public
parking
and
one
of
the
bullets
that
will
had
up
addresses
that
to
where
it
Parks.
Not
only
our
residents,
which
we
strive
for
one
parking
space
per
bedroom,
which
is
more
than
one
per
unit
of
course,
and
we
believe
believe
we're
in
a
position
to
to
both
offer
those
parking
spaces.
K
80
80
plus
public
parking
spaces
and
we're
offering-
and
it's
in
our
application
with
the
city
to
offer
to
go
from
zero
percent
affordable
to
five
percent
affordable
at
80
percent
of
the
area,
median
income
and
I
believe
that's
consistent
with
what
was
approved
going
down.
River
I
think
it's
called
159
Riverside.
Maybe
Stephanie
can
confirm
that.
B
E
I,
don't
thanks
Brian
appreciate
it.
B
F
I'm
sorry,
I
I
have
a
question
regarding
the
storm
water
I
know
the
site
was
originally
or
the
last
developer
told
us.
The
whole
site
was
considered
impervious
because
of
all
the
the
traffic
that
had
been
there
and
and
various
uses,
and
I
saw
that
you
you
had
that
small
Courtyard
area
with
a
bio
soil,
but
and
there's
something
underground,
some
kind
of
catchment
basin.
F
But
is
there
any
other
thought
of
using
any
green
roof
structures
or
any
any
other
creative
ways
to
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
water
fall
on
that
on
those
buildings,
and
are
you
basically
going
to
just
send
it
to
the
river,
or
is
it
going
to
be
to
try
to
slow
some
of
it
down
with
some
creative
methods?
There?
Second.
M
H
M
So
certainly
heard
in
the
group
meeting
from
a
couple
weeks
ago
that
that
sort
of
public-private
area
on
the
corner
was
a
was
a
key
area
to
not
only
have
interest,
but
also,
you
know,
maybe
do
a
little
bit
of
Education
as
people
go
through
there.
So
I
think
that
area
specifically
will
definitely
have
some
storm
water
function
and
we'll
do
some
some
some
real
treatment,
some
real
volume
but
I
think
it's
more
of
an
educational
piece.
M
The
piece
that's
inside
the
deck
that
is
the
storm
Tech,
would
be
the
the
primary
storm
water
control
for
the
site.
That's
where
we're
expecting.
You
know
the
roof,
The
Hardscape
everything
to
sort
of
go
through
and
certainly
function
through
it.
Recognizing
that
we're
then
flood.
You
know
flood
plain
and
they'll
be
water.
That
will
want
to
come
both
directions
on
that.
M
M
You
know
a
fair
amount
of
green
area.
You
know
that
I
think
will
will
certainly
be
nice
for
the
residents,
but
it
also
is
just
you
know.
It
definitely
makes
the
the
whole
situation
a
lot
better,
so
that
would
be
kind
of
how
we're
seeing
the
storm
water
and
one
other
thing,
while
I'm
sort
of
on
the
mic
yeah
along
that
that
East-West
part
of
of
Lyman.
Just
talking
about
the
interest
and
the
the
sidewalk
we
will
have.
M
You
know
lineman
at
first
glance,
you
don't
think
it
drops
a
whole
lot,
but
there's
quite
a
bit
of
of
slope
alignment
as
you're
going
towards
the
river,
and
in
doing
so
and
having
that
retail
artist
space,
we
are
having
to
kind
of
Step
those.
So
we
do
have
sidewalks
that
are
going
to
be
splitting
from
one
another.
M
So
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
interest
where
you're
going
to
pull
people
up
onto
that
area
where
the
the
re
retail
artist
there
he
is
and
then
you'll
have
the
more
public
realm
where
they'll
be
following
the
actual
slope
of
of
linemen.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
neat
interesting
area
where
people
will
be
able
to
kind
of
make
two
decisions
there
and
then
that'll
tie
you
right
into
that
public
private
area
and
then
around
to
the
main
part
alignment.
That's
parallel
on
the
river.
J
So
hey
yeah:
this
is
Lisa
just
one
more
point
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
emphasize
that
we
are
looking
at
Green
roofs
on
these
elevated
Courtyard
components,
level,
three
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
in
a
beautiful
and
functional
and
important
part
of
this
overall
design.
So.
E
J
People
that
are
living
in
these
elevated
units
have
a
bit
of
relief
with
some
green
space
plus
it
serves
that
function
of
slow
and
water
down,
taking
up
some
of
that
water
and
not
having
such
an
impact
on
the
area
around
there.
M
That's
right,
in
fact,
I
think
the
existing
pipe
that's
going
underlinement
now
I
believe
the
survey
says
there's
already
a
a
a
one-way
valve.
If
you
will
that
helps
out
that
flood
stay
in
the
river
and
not
come
back
through
there,
so
yeah
we'll
certainly
have
that.
Keep
that
and
if
we
need
to
do
more
of
that
to
protect
not
only
this
building,
but
other
buildings
were
certainly
I'm,
certainly
willing
to
do
that.
M
We
did
that
down
on
the
the
park
at
at
Amboy
and
I
was
super
excited
a
few
years
ago,
when
there
was
a
big
flood.
How
well
it
how
well
it
did
it
it
actually
didn't
didn't
go
into
the
bowl
like
I
thought
it
would
so
it
was
a
huge
success.
I
All
righty,
any
other
questions
at
the
moment
feel
free
to
jump
in
with
anything
it's
working
down
the
Matrix
thinking
about
economics
and
business
climate.
You
know
the
project
does
and
retail
uses
and
artists
Studio
spaces,
so
we'll
contribute
to
kind
of
enlightening
the
area
bringing
visitors
to
the
area.
Folks,
who
don't
just
necessarily
live
here.
I
I
I
Sorry
we'll
go
a
long
ways
to
kind
of
helping
the
have
a
have
a
more
diverse
kind
of
resonance
mix.
Then
then
it
was
just
all
at
market
rate.
I
I
You
know
as
they're
as
they're
passing
by
or
coming
specifically
to
the
uses
in
those
retail
artist,
studio,
spaces,
I,
think
Brian
was
talking
or
maybe
I
saw
it
on
the
application
there's
opportunity
for
for
public
art
as
well.
In
some
locations
that
might
be
a
future
stage
that
that
we
would
we
would
work
with
the
applicant
on
through
the
typical
process.
I
I,
don't
think
I
have
a
lot
of
details
on
signage
and
lighting
currently
and
then
landscaping
and
planting.
You
know
some
of
the
green
roof
elements,
the
courtyard
element
and
then
the
required
Street
trees
and
in
the
parking
parking
garage
impact
screening
would
be
will
be
pretty
significant
as
well
to
help
soften
the
built
environment
throughout
that
location.
I
Sorry,
I,
don't
know
that's
having
a
hard
time
navigating
this,
so
I,
don't
believe
I,
don't
believe
the
project
has
a
specific
green
certification
that
it's
going
for
you
know
we
did
talk
about
some
of
the
charging
stations
that
will
make
it
easier
for
residents
who
have
electric
vehicles
and
the
possibility
to
add
more
of
those
in
the
future.
I
You
know
things
like
healthy
food,
Community,
Gardens,
edible
plantings,
you
know,
I,
don't
I,
can't
think
of
anything
off
the
top
of
my
head.
That
I've
seen
in
the
project
so
far,
except
the
project
you
know
will
be-
will
be
kind
of
in
a
more
mixed-use
area
with
more
opportunity,
for
you
know:
Food
Services
and
restaurants,
and
some
limited
grocery,
but
also
with
more
residents
living
here.
It
can
definitely
Drive
the
demand
for
perhaps
a
grocery
store
and
more
of
those
kinds
of
services.
I
So
it's
definitely
a
a
virtuous
cycle
as
far
as
amenities
and
food
access
goes
with
more
folks
living
here.
I
I
K
If
you're
asking
I
can
speak
to
that,
I'll
take
a
step
back
to
sustainability.
We
may
have
shame
on
us.
We
left
it
out
of
our
application.
We
we
generally
built
to
at
least
a
bronze,
if
not
a
silver
National
Grid
building
standard,
which
is
an
alternative
to
the
usgbc
I'm,
a
Lee
accredited
professional.
So
it's
something
that
we
do
in
all
of
our
Woodfield
projects,
so
it
will
be
a
sustainably
built
building.
We
have
reached
out
to
Black
Wall
Street.
K
It
was
great
to
get
to
meet
Jay
Hackett
I,
wasn't
aware
initially,
when
we
wintered
a
contract
on
the
site
that
they
were
in
discussions
with
the
city
to
take
the
lease
directly
across
Lyman
Street,
so
they're
they're,
our
neighbor,
we're
wanting
their
folks
to
be
in
the
building
and
we've
had
early
discussions
about
how
some
of
their
entrepreneurs
can
engage
as
vendors
or
subcontractors
or
sub
subcontractors.
As
we
build
the
project
so
we're
entering
into
those
efforts,
and
we
had
one
more
thing.
K
D
Hey
Brian,
this
is
Ann
Keller
I
got
distracted
a
minute
by
some
construction
going
next
door
and
I
might
have
missed
it.
But
do
you
know
how
much
of
the
storm
water
is
going
to
be
treated
or
slowed,
or
you
know
contained
on
site
before
it
goes
right
into
the
river
since
you're
so
close?
That
would
be
such
an
asset,
as
we
all
know,
there's
quite
a
challenge
with
water
quality.
K
And
we've
got
Warren
stuck
our
civil
on
the
on
the
call,
and
he
can.
He
can
speak
that
we
do
have
a
BMP
system
underneath
the
garage
to
capture
the
water
that
hits
our
all
of
our
previous
Services.
Okay,.
D
M
Yeah
yeah,
while
you're
away
yeah,
we
have
the
the
the
storm
Tech,
that's
below
the
parking
deck
area.
That
would
be
the
expectation
that
the
building
restraints
the
the
deck
itself.
Everything
would
flow
to
that
and
then
then
ultimately
flow
to
the
pipe
that's
already
under
lineman
into
the
river,
and
then
we
do
have
some
stormwater
rain,
Gardens
and
and
buyer
retention.
M
B
Brian
I
have
a
question
as
far
as
the
multimodal
you're
developing
at
my
math
may
be
off,
but
close
to
600
or
more
units
between
Dave
Steele
and
stone
yard.
B
I'm
wondering
if
you've
had
any
conversations
with
the
transportation
department
about
adding
another
stop
for
the
for
public
transportation
somewhere
nearby.
K
Yeah
so
Darren
237
units
and
we're
seeking
263
here,
so
you
know
rough
map,
500
units,
and
then
you
have
this
159
Riverside
down
down
river,
and
so
the
good
news
is
there's
people
are
going
to
be
living
in
the
river
Arts
District
was
the
it
was
the
major
missing
element,
so
I'd
be
more
than
welcoming
to
to
have
those
discussions.
We
of
course
have
had
a
couple
of
TRC
meetings
and
transportation
was
involved,
but
that
makes
all
the
sense
in
the
world
we'd
love.
K
We
find
a
lot
of
our
residents,
even
though
we
have
we
adequately
Park
them,
many
of
them
just
work
from
home
love
the
walkability.
They
choose
an
area
like
this
because
of
a
walk
score
and
it'd
be
be
great
to
have
better.
K
B
I
I
Obviously
the
Ada
component
was
mentioned
earlier,
that's
more
like
an
individual
safety
accessibility
concern
and
an
equity
concern
as
well
as
far
as
Public
Safety.
You
know,
I
think
having
more
folks
in
the
area
having
a
mix
of
uses.
I
So
it's
activated
at
different
times
of
the
day
having
visitors
having
residents
having
the
courtyard
I
think
that
the
design
itself
being
a
very
active
place
where
folks
are
going
to
want
to
go
whether
to
visit
or
live
and
a
decent
number
of
units
will
kind
of
naturally
kind
of
make
the
area
safer.
Make
the
you
know
experience
a
a
pleasant
one,
more
lighting,
more
activity,
I,
don't
know!
If
there's
anything
you'll
want
to
add
to
that.
That's
kind
of
my
my
take
on
it.
K
K
Obviously,
the
building
will
have
a
key
card
access
for
the
safety
of
our
residents,
but
the
combination
of
the
lighting
and
then
just
infusing.
These
people
that
actually
live
they'll
just
come
to
the
river
arts
and
leave
but
live
and
are
on
the
streets
in
the
evening.
It's
just
more
eyeballs
and
more
more
sense
of
community
and
more
sense
of
neighbors
looking
out
for
their
neighbors,
so
I
think
you've
had
on
two
key
points
of
that.
I
Yeah,
let's
see
the
Wilma
dichmann
plan
and
thinking
about
how
the
project
aligns
with
the
vision
for
a
connected,
Regional
Riverfront
with
the
balancing
balance
of
offerings,
yeah
I,
think
I.
Think
the
project
does
that
as
well,
and
the
fact
that
it's
mixed
use
with
commercial
artist,
space
and
residential
and
that
it's
you
know
located
right
on
the
river
and
it'll
bring
people
to
the
river
living
or
visiting
to
help
experience
it
more.
I
I
But
my
initial
take
is
that
you
know
the
project
does:
does
meet
many
of
the
visions
and
goals
of
of
the
Asheville
living
Asheville
plan
having
folks
live
in
a
growth
area,
a
mix
of
uses,
something
that's
kind
of
in
harmony
with
a
built
environment
with
some
Equity
components.
So
my
initial
take
is
that
it
does
check
a
lot
of
those
boxes
and
is
a
you
know
appropriate
for
where
it's
being
proposed.
F
Yes,
this
was
probably
for
Brian,
but
do
you
have
thoughts
about
having?
F
Is
there
going
to
be
someone
on
duty
24
hours
a
day
like
watching
security
cameras,
I
mean
I,
know,
for
instance,
Jeremy
when,
when
his
building
was
under
construction,
that
had
someone
trying
to
sleep
in
one
of
the
elevators,
and
you
know
things
like
that.
But
oh
I,
don't
know
how
far
you
are
with
that
kind
of
thinking
or
or
what
to
we.
K
We
do
have
cameras
throughout
the
building
for
sure
it's
not
as
if
we
have
a
control
room
with
with
folks
Staffing
it
we
generally
in
all
of
our
buildings,
also
offer
a
free
unit
for
a
member
of
the
local
police
department
and
in
exchange
for
that
they
kind
of
do
regular
walks
there.
A
resource
officer
available,
24
7
in
exchange
for
that
free
apartment,
so
we'll
be
extending
that
offer
to
to
the
local
Lieutenant
for
this
this
region
in
Asheville
as
well.
K
So
that's
certain
things
that
we
do
and
but
you
can
never
underestimate
the
ability
of
our
neighbors
to
be
making
calls
to
our
management
staff
and
it's
very
common
for
our
management
staff
to
live
on
site
as
well.
So
a
lot
of
eyeballs
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
concerned
citizens
and
we're
very
aware
of
you
know
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
I
mean
on
this
site.
K
We
and
we'd
inherited
initially
a
lot
of
folks
who
were
is
camping
on
the
site,
and
you
know
our
heart
goes
out
to
them
and
I
know
Asheville's
struggling
for
you
know
to
serve
them,
and
but
when
it
crosses
over
to
violence-
and
there
have
been
some
occasions
of
that
I
understand
in
this
area
and
that
that's
that
can
is
a
concern
for
the
the
greater
public.
So
we're
aware
of
it.
We're
trying
to
be
compassionate
but
attentive
and
and
and
and
focus
as
best
we
can
on
public
safety.
I
Alrighty
a
couple
more
points
here,
so
this
is
maybe
this.
This
item,
maybe
is
a
little
more
aimed
towards
commission
members
asking
if
they've
sought.
If,
if
commission
members
have
sought
a
diverse
perspective
on
the
project
and
has
the
public
commented
on
specific
items
through
the
public
meeting,
so
I
know
you
all
held
the
neighborhood
meeting
this,
the
developers
have
held
a
neighborhood
meeting
for
the
project.
I
I
haven't
I,
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
public
comment
for
this
item.
Yet
I'm
sure
there
will
be
some
I
know
there
weren't
any
for
this
meeting.
I
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
from
the
commission
or
development
team
wants
to
speak
with
some
of
those
in
any
engagement.
That's
been
going
on.
It
was
briefly
mentioned
earlier.
K
Tim
Tim
may
want
to
chime
in
but
and
I
feel
like
I'm
doing
all
the
talking
and
I
apologize,
but
we
did
have
our
requisite
neighbor
meeting.
But,
as
you
know,
we
don't
touch
a
lot
of
single-family,
so
Patty
torno
is
our
neighbor.
Now
David
Brown's
our
neighbor,
but
Patty's
like
our
real
neighbor
and
but
we
had
our
requisite
neighborhood
meeting.
We've
had
at
least
two,
if
not
three
Tim
rad
pack
meetings
so.
H
I
am
a
little
slow,
I
just
got
back
from
Portugal
yesterday,
so
I'm
in
a
different
time
zone.
So
sorry
not
to
jump
in.
Like
I
said
we
have
met,
we
met
on
site,
we
we
have
rad
bug
or
local
Business
Association.
We
have
a
little
off
suit
that
we
look
at
all
projects
and
Brian
has
brought
that
to
us,
and
then
we
asked
them
to
have
a
second
meeting
about
how
the
of
the
project
relates
to
radtip
relates
to
the
river
of
race
in
the
neighborhood
and
I.
I.
H
Do
think
he's
done
a
good
job
with
that
and
you
know,
meeting
with
Jay
at
Black.
Wall
Street
is
important
for
our
neighborhood.
So
at
this
point
Brian's
been
a
good
neighbor.
He's
had
to
learn
some
Asheville
idiosyncrasies
on
on
the
other
project.
H
I
Great,
the
last
item
here
is
just
thinking
about
the
potential
other
negative
impacts
like
noise
or
odors,
probably
not
too
much
odor
I
would
imagine,
and
as
far
as
noise
I
mean
it
does
have
the
potential
to
generate
some
noise.
Just
given
the
activity,
it's
obviously
not
a
music
venue
or
a
bar
restaurant,
although
maybe
maybe
it
could
be
a
restaurant
in
the
future.
I
But
you
know,
as
mentioned
before,
given
that
it's
not
right
adjacent
to
other
residential
necessarily,
that's
why
I
mitigate
those
concerns
are
probably
mitigated
a
little
bit,
and
this
is
a
place
where
people
expect
some
level
of
noise
and
activity
and
they
hope
for
it.
So
as
long
as
it
stays
reasonable,
then
would
probably
be
okay.
B
I
Then
we
have
time
for
a
new
last
comments
and
questions.
I
think
Ann
has
her
hand
up.
D
Yeah
well
I
just
wanted
to.
Maybe
it
was
presented
earlier
and
I
didn't
see
it
or
hear
it,
but
I
wonder:
if
are
these
one
or
two
bedroom
apartments?
Do
we
do
we
have
an
idea
about
that
Brian
or
will.
J
I
You
know
folks,
they
want
to
provide
any
comments
in
the
meantime
that
maybe
got
missed
to
provide
for
the
to
the
DRC
meeting
next
week
they
can
email
to
me
or
email
to
the
drc's
public
input,
email
which
is
listed
on
their
website
as
well
and
I,
appreciate
everyone's
time
to
consider
the
project
and
I
will
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair.
B
B
B
Will
can
you
and
and
share
yes
thanks.
F
C
Right
explain
this.
Thank
you
helpful
lighting
here.
Thank
you,
chair,
Dana,
Frankel,
stepping
in
for
Stuff
temporarily,
our
city
clerk's
office
is
asking
boards
and
commissions
to
consider
whether
they
would
like
to
continue
meeting
virtually
or
go
back
to
in-person
meetings,
which
would
be
the
default
unless
you
all
would
like
to
continue
meeting
virtually.
C
So
the
idea
is
that
you
will
set
that
meeting
location,
whether
virtual
or
in
person
for
the
next
year.
There
can
be
special
meetings
that
can
be
different
than
what
you've
set,
but
those
have
to
be
noticed
a
week
in
advance,
and
there
are
some
limitations
currently
to
in-person
meetings
in
terms
of
those
will
not
be
able
to
be
streamed,
and
so
just
want
you
all
to
be
aware
of
that
and
the
location
that
we
have
at
this
point
for
those
is
the
first
floor
of
City,
Hall
and
I.
C
Think
I
think
those
are
the
that's
the
basic
gist.
You
know,
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
you
all
to
discuss
this
and
to
vote.
We
will
need
a
two-thirds
majority
to
consider
that
vote.
If
you
all
do
want
to
continue
meeting
virtually.
G
C
C
Well,
the
way
we
run
it
now
Google
me
is
linked
on
the
back
end
with
YouTube,
and
also
this
public
input
platform
that
we
use
when
we're
in
person.
We
just
don't
have
those
same
tools
and
City
staff
is
is
looking
into
what's
possible
in
the
future.
It
would
be
ideal
if
we
could
do
that.
Also
if
hybrid
meetings
were
an
option
but
they're
just
not
right
now,.
D
Then
I
as
I
understand
it,
we
need
to
vote
to
either
be
in
person
or
online
and
an
exception
could
be
approved
for
a
particular
meeting.
But
if
we
had
an
exception,
if
we
were,
if
we
decided
to
go
in
person,
I
don't
know
exactly
why
or
how
we
would
decide,
then
to
go
for
one
meeting
online
to
me.
D
The
question
is:
are
we
in
safe
enough
circumstances
now
with
covet
to
have
in
person
and
plan
that
for
the
whole
year
and
if
you
I,
don't
see
how
you
jump
back
into
a
virtual
unless
there's
some
kind
of
I
mean
the
thing
that
that
created
this
virtual
situation
anyway
was
State,
I,
think
requirements
for
a
while
and
those
are
gone
now,
so
we
have
a
choice
as
I
see
it
to
choose
to
be
in
person
or
online
I.
D
F
H
D
Joe,
what
I
was
saying
is:
if
you
go
one
way
or
the
other.
If
you
go
virtual,
you
could
have
a
special
meeting
in
person,
but
if
you
go
the
other
way,
I
didn't
know
if
that
had
been
set
up,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
technology
and
staff
limitations
and
meeting
space.
You
know
the
challenges
of
how
to
do
that:
to
get
everything
available
to
the
public
so
that
people
can
see
and
hear
what
we're
actually
discussing.
B
L
L
H
L
B
B
E
B
B
Okay,
still
we'll
have
to
continue.
B
B
This
will
be
the
end
of
my
third
year
as
chair
the
end
of
David
Brown's
third
year
as
Vice
chair.
So.
F
B
F
H
B
Yeah
there's
several
of
us
who
probably
are
right,
need.