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This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city
of
asheville's,
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
city
council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
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B
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done
speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello
and-
and
I
I
guess,
if
you're
here
so
I'll,
go
through
the
list,
karen
craig
nolan,
I
believe
she's
absent
today
and
jeremy
goldstein
has
already
said,
he's
going
to
be
away
kimberly
hunter
she's,
not
here
steven
lee
johnson.
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Brian
moffitt,
here
ben
williamson,
here
vice
chair,
robin
reigns
here
and
I'm
here,
jane
okay,.
B
So
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
If
there
is
a
vote
to
be
taken.
Additionally,
I
ask
that
committee
members
raise
their
hand
using
the
the
raise
hand
icon,
and
I
will
call
upon
you.
We
will
begin
with
our
administrative
items
in
the
unfinished
business.
So
the
only
administrative
item
we
have
is
approval
of
minutes
of
our
december
of
our
november
18th
2021
meeting
as
everybody
reviewed
that
and
if
so,
if
there's
a
motion.
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B
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A
Sure
I'll
just
say
very
quickly
that
they
are,
I
think,
on
the
agenda
for
a
variance
for
their
fenestration,
and
we
think
that
will
be
completed
before
your
next
january
meeting.
So
we
think
january
it
will
be
ready
to
go.
B
Is
there
a
second
a
second,
I
have
a
motion
a
second
now
again
I'll
call
the
agenda
I'll
call
the
roll
and
ask
for
a
vote.
F
B
G
A
Oh,
that
didn't
work;
okay,
this
project,
you
all
looked
at
this
project
last.
A
H
A
And
this
project
is
here
at
123,
haywood
street.
It
is
these
two
lots
and
they
they
total
about,
not
quite
a
quarter
acre
and
I'm
going
to
have
to
reshare.
Sorry,
I
don't.
A
Okay,
this
will
work
better,
and
so
just
so,
everyone
can
see
that
240
is
immediately
to
the
north.
The
basilica
property
is
to
the
east,
and
so
this
property
is
this
small,
this
small
parking
lot.
So,
even
though
it's
two
parcels,
it's
really
just
one
parking
lot,
and
so
there
is
a
separation
here
between
the
basilica
and
this
project.
A
I
fortunately
I
have
dumbness
too
many
too
many
ways.
G
A
A
A
And
so
it's
been
a
lot
of
math
to
fit
this
all
in
and
I
think
the
drawings
you
saw.
We
discussed
this
at
the
last
meeting.
A
They
have
revised
the
plans
if
you
will
recall
that
and
downtown
commission
members
talked
about
this.
Last
friday
there
was
a
one-story
piece
of
the
building
here
which
isn't
allowed
by
code,
so
they
have
changed
that
to
have
it
before
stories
and
in
my
staff
report
I
noted
that
there
were
there's
been
some
concerns
about
the
white
color
and
the
reflectivity.
A
There
were
comments
that
folks
actually
preferred
the
one
story
piece
here
on
the
front,
because
it
provided
some
relief
and
it
had
a
green
roof
there
and
these
little
scrolls
from
the
next
and
in
the
last
time
you
all
talked
about
this
in
your
formal
review.
You
talked
about
the
spacing
between
the
glass
here,
and
that
was
changed
for
construction
reasons,
and
now
it's
been
altered
to
show
this
kind
of
a
blue
grayish
color,
it's
a
metal
panel.
A
This
piece
may
or
may
not
come
out,
may
come
out
for
cost
considerations
and
I'll.
Let
john
mang
who's
here.
Talk
about
that-
and
I
believe
these
this
kind
of
break
with
the
balcony.
A
I
don't
remember
it
that
way,
but
but
I
guess
it
was
there,
so
we
have
these
balconies
and
we
have
the
material
palette
I
did
notice.
I
did
note
in
my
staff
report
that
our
design
guidelines
don't
address
modern
construction
or
modern
architecture.
Styles
as
well
as
they
could.
So
you
know
in
the
guidelines.
I
did
note
how
this
project
meets
the
guidelines.
A
Rooftop
equipment
and
terraces
are
screened,
but
in
terms
of
some
other
parts
of
the
guidelines
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
pieces
of
the
guidelines
around
colors,
discussing
discussing,
muted
colors
and
maybe
using
materials
from
other
his
surrounding
historic
structures
in
the
building
and.
A
Building
to
me,
in
my
mind,
relates
most
closely
to
the
indigo
to
the
west,
and
the
indigo
has
stone
at
the
base
and
some
in
some
masonry
as
a
part
of
it,
and
I
know
I
think
brian
worked
on
that
project
and
could
speak
to
that
some,
but
so
I'm
partly
relying
on
the
architects
and
designers
of
this
and
all
of
you
on
this
committee
to
help
kind
of
navigate
this
and
how
to
you
know
if,
if
this
design
were
going
to
be
improved,
how
that
would
work,
they
did.
B
A
John
did
send
kind
of
some
diagrams
about
how
equipment's
going
to
be
screened.
I
think
the
idea
is
that
there's
hvac
units
on
the
roof,
but
there
is
that
metal,
perforated
metal
screening
around
them.
So
that's
being
you
know,
satisfied,
and
then
this
was
a
revised
concept
that
he
sent.
You
know
without
the
roof
terrace
if
the
roof
terrace
didn't
happen.
A
I
mean
I
guess,
as
far
as
staff's
recommendation
is
concerned,
we're
I
mean
I
think
overall,
it's
a
pretty
decent
project.
I
think
there
are
ways
to
strengthen
the
design
and
I
would
really
look
to
you
all
to
help
craft
how
that
those
those
items
frankly
and
I'm
going
to
stop
there
and
john.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
anything
now
and
and
jane.
I
can't
see
folks
so
therefore,.
E
J
J
I
mean,
I
guess
it's
screening,
it's
a
wall,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
stair
up
to
the
roof
and
the
the
corrugated
panel
gives
a
very
stripey
appearance
in
this
rendering,
and
I
don't
know
if
it
will
read
that
way
in
actuality,
but
I
think
that
the
material
for
that
roof
bump
up
should
be
a
different
material
than
what's
around
the
rest
of
the
building.
J
It
just
looks
tacked
on
to
me
and
I
get
that
the
part
is
angled
over
the
stair,
because
I
do
that
myself
when
I
design
you
want
to
keep
the
height
shorter,
but
it
just
this
is
such
a
rectilinear
angled
building
that
that
is
just
very
distracting.
D
Yeah,
I
think,
we'll
let
the
designer
speak
maybe
a
little
bit
and
then
then
we
can
launch
in.
I
I
agree
with
robin
the
little
tumor
on
the
top
is
the
this
is
maybe
the
second
least
mostly
successful
after
the
the
blue
accents.
B
K
Sure,
thanks
thanks
sasha
and
thanks
to
all
the
committee
members
for
all
the
the
feedback
to
date
and
having
us
here
today,
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
fact
before
we
get
too
far
from
answering
questions,
that
this
is
a
a
project
that
the
you
know
was
previously
approved
from
the
aesthetic
standpoint.
K
The
only
change
here,
obviously,
is
we're.
You
know
adding
the
the
three
floors
over
that
that
single
story,
retail
component,
that
we
added
to
meet
the
hotel
overlay,
but
from
an
aesthetic
standpoint.
This
is
all
something
that
was
reviewed
a
year
a
year
ago
and
approved
and
gone
as
far
as
to
be
permitted
from
a
construction
standpoint
and
ready
to
outside
of
any
revisions
we
need
to
make.
You
know,
permits
to
be
pulled
and
and
to
bring
this
thing
out
of
the
ground.
K
So
what
has
been
approved
is
previously.
What
you're
seeing
here
is
is
not
that
far
of
a
departure
from
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
reiterate
that
fact,
one
last
time
to
answer
some
of
the
immediate
questions
regarding
the
the
the
metal
panel
accents
between
the
windows.
I
think
that
was
in
response
to
the
informal
review
that
we
had
last
month.
K
The
intent
is
not
for
them
to
be
blue,
but
to
be
you
know
more
with
the
color
of
the
glass,
so
it
appears
to
be
more
of
a
seamless
vertical
ribbon,
as
it
comes
off
of
that
first
floor
and
you
know,
goes
up
through
the
building
to
meet
the
you
know:
the
the
verticality
requirements
in
terms
of
massing
and
and
fenestration.
K
Since
that's
the
approach
we
took
when
it
came
to
meeting
that
section
of
the
of
the
the
downtown
ordinance
the
rooftop
stair,
I
know
that's,
I
don't
believe
that
was
was
something
that
was
presented,
the
rooftop
patio,
that
was
in
one
of
the
images.
That
is
something
that
may
be
value
engineered
out
of
the
project
and
and
might
not
go
forward.
So
if
that
is
the
case,
that
will
change
considerably.
K
So
I
don't
see
an
issue
in
working
around.
You
know
any
any
comments
or
suggestions
regarding
the
stair.
K
And
you
know
our
intent
is
to
limit
that
as
as
much
as
possible
from
a
visual
impact
side
of
things.
We
will
need
to
provide
access
to
the
roof
with
the
mechanical
units
up
there
that
will
be
required
by
code,
so
we
will
have
to
get
some
somebody
up
there
to
or
provide
safe
access
to
the
to
maintenance,
crews
and
contractors
to
to
maintain
those
mechanical
units
so
I'll
stop
there.
If
there's
any
further
questions
feel
free
to
answer
them.
B
John,
this
is
jane
matthews.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
then
stephen
lee
has
at
least
one
and
brian
moffatt
too.
So
I'll
take
that's
my
first
question.
It
looks
like
the
stair
on
the
the
west
side
is
caged.
In
a
way,
can
you
explain?
What's
going
on,
there
looks
like
it's
like
bars,
going
all
the
way
from
ceiling
to
floor.
K
Okay,
yeah,
I
wouldn't
say
it's:
it's
caged.
It
is
it's
screened
with
a
perforated
metal
panel.
It's
the
idea
is
that
it's
a
sculptural
element
on
that
corner
to
kind
of
help,
break
up
the
massing
and
also
provide
a
you
know,
an
element.
K
And
security
for
for
residents
and
guests,
so
it's
it
was
detailed
out
fully
in
the
construction
document
package
with
elevations
and
details
that
I
maybe
should
have
attached
to
this,
to
kind
of
show.
The
intent
of
the
the
varying
levels
of
of
openness
and-
and
I
would
say,
closeness
but
the
there's
different
aperture
sizes
on
the
perforations
and
some
of
the
metal
panels.
That
might
not
be
reading
as
true
as
it
is
intended
in
in
this
rendering
versus
you
know
the
actual
drawings.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
john,
and
my
second
question
is
regarding
passenger
unloading
and
and
servicing
to
the
building.
I
don't
I
don't
understand
how
that's
happening
in
your
plan.
Can
you
talk
about
that?
Are
people
stopping
in
front
of
the
building
to
get
in
and
out
or.
K
No
there
there
will
be
a
a
security
grill
that
that
covers
the
that
can
be
rolled
down
and
to
open
and
shield
the
garage
opening.
There
are
two
dedicated
spaces
for
guests
and
for
or
for
loading
and
unloading
inside
of
the
parking
garage
which
will
be
accessible
to
all
guests
at
all
times.
Upon
arrival.
B
K
Thank
you
off
street
yep
and
and
one
of
the
things
when
we
when
this
was
reviewed.
You
know
previously,
we
from
a
transportation
standpoint
that
ingressing
egress
out
of
out
of
the
deck
is
very
that
was
scrutinized
very
heavily
in
that
review,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
stacking
inside
the
the
deck
and
and
also
getting
off
of
the
street.
K
We
work
closely
with
the
transportation
department
to
have
the
make
sure
it's
it's
known,
that
we
have
the
the
highest
speed
gate
that
is
possibly
that
they
manufacture
to
be
able
to
get
cars
off
the
street
and
not
you
know
kind
of
back
up
traffic
on
haywood
street
on
that
corner
to
in
the
on-ramp
to
240.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
really
busy
intersection,
stephen
lee
johnson.
You
have
a
question
or
comment.
E
E
I
know
this
has
gone
before
review
for
a
condominium
use,
but
we
have
a
completely
different
use
now,
and
this
is
going
to
have
to
receive
the
approval
of
this
committee
and
sasha.
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible,
but
is
it
possible
for
anybody
to
bring
up
the
original
design
when
it
was
a
condominium?
E
One
of
the
things
about
that
design
john,
was
that
the
way
that
the
the
corner,
I
guess,
would
be
the
southwest
corner
of
that
building
looked
and
that's
a
really
important
view
that
most
of
us,
I
think,
are
going
to
experience
this
place
and
the
original
building
design,
I
believe,
had
a
beautiful
courtyard
there
and
then
last
month,
when
we
saw
it
in
in
the
retail
space
there
it
had
a
green
roof
over.
E
It
appeared
to
have,
and
it
just
seemed
like
there
was
a
level
of
detail
that
presented
a
unique
character
to
the
building
right
there.
That
made
it
really
nice
to
look
at
so
the
corner.
That's
that's
one
concern
and
thought
I
wanted
to
bring
up
the
the
other
is
that
the
in
terms
of
the
streetscape
and
how
citizens
of
asheville
and
visitors
to
asheville
are
going
to
engage
with
this.
E
I
think
there's
a
layer,
that's
off
or
something
on
this
civil
plan,
but
I'd
like
for
you
to
address
how
we're
going
to
know
what
it
is
you're
going
to
be
putting
there
on
site
it'd
be
nice
to
create
some
type
of
sense
of
place
here.
I'll
give
you
an
example:
if
just
a
block
away
at
hotel
indigo,
some
really
really
simple.
Things
have
been
done
there
to
to
give
it
a
sense
of
place
with
interesting
streetscape,
with
some
containers
that
are
set
out
front
with
some
seating.
E
That
is
right
along
the
the
sidewalk
with
some
clever
landscape
treatment.
I
guess
there's
a
zoning
compliant
there's
a
compliance
plan.
I
know
this
is
downtown,
there's
not
buffer
plans
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
I
think
that
the
design
review
committee
needs
to
know
exactly
what
the
streets
tape
experience
is
going
to
be
on
the
project
in
order
to
approve
it.
I'm
looking
at
blowing
up
the
pdf
that
we
received
and
I
can
make
out
some
labels
I
think,
are
just
off.
I
can't
read
them
really
well.
A
Stephen
lee,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
here,
real
quick,
if
I,
if
I'm
correct
and
john,
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
there,
I
believe
there's
actually
utility
lines
along
the
front
of
the
sidewalk,
and
so
the
street
there
was
alternative
compliance
granted
for
the
street
trees
on
the
front.
I
think
they
are
planting
more
around
the
site.
E
E
If
you,
if
you
do
google
street
view,
you
can
see
what
I'm
talking
about
but
sasha.
Thank
you
for
pulling
up
that
earlier
plan
and
I
guess
just
to
kind
of
so
it's
not
necessarily
on
that
side.
But
if
you
go
across
on
the
other
side
of
the
interstate
there,
okay,
but
yeah
there
you
go.
E
E
So
those
are
my
concerns,
I'd
like
to
know
exactly
what
is
being
planned
at
street
level,
and
I
understand
there
are
some
variances
that
have
been
applied
given
the
constraints
of
utilities,
but
I'd
love
to
see
some
type
of
green
roof.
Reintroduced
on
this.
I
was
really
excited
about
that
last
month,
and
it
might
be
that
if
you
do
the
roof,
terrace
there's
a
really
great
opportunity
to
expand
that
up
there.
But
I'm
assuming
these,
the
mechanical
units
are
on
the
roof.
They're
just
not
shown
on
the
rendering.
Is
that
right.
K
E
D
Yeah
I
wanted
to
echo
what
what
stephen
lee
was
talking
about.
I
appreciated
I,
I
know
you're
meeting
a
compliance
plan
and
you're
having
to
bring
the
building
out
in
terms
of
massing,
but
I
I
much
preferred
the
previous
scheme
even
with
that
one
story
piece
that
on
the
street,
I
just
thought
it.
The
the
building
did
a
better
job
of
addressing
the
streetscape
with
that
with
that
plan.
D
Secondly,
I
agree
with
robin
that
the
access
stair
either
needs
to
be
more
like
the
building
or
less
like
the
building.
I
don't
know
that
she
said
it
more
like
the
building,
but
it
it
kind
of
needs
to
either
be
its
own
thing
sitting
up
there.
It
the
way
it's
screened
and
the
way
it's
that
that
massing,
or
it
probably
needs
to
look
more
like
the
building
it
just.
It
feels
a
little
less
resolved
than
than
than
than
what
you've
done.
D
And
then
I
understand,
I
think
that
you
said
that,
based
on
what
we
discussed
last
time
that
you're
you're
you're
working
on
you
know
making
the
windows
read
more
like
that
more
like
an
element
similar
to
what
it
was
in.
The
very
first
renderings,
which
I
I
still
prefer,
have
you
thought
of
using
like
a
spandrel
glass
or
something
like
that,
because
at
least
the
way
it's
rendered
in
this
it
just
does
not
look.
D
It
just
looks
like
a
siding
material
and
it's
distracting,
and
I
really
want
that
that
that
vertical
element
to
all
read
is
glass.
I
mean
it's
such
an
elegant
design.
It's
like
you
know.
If
you're
going
to
go
myer,
let's
go
all
the
way.
K
That's
certainly
something
we
can.
We
can
consider
you
know,
there's
a
cost
factor,
obviously,
that
we're
gonna
have
to
weed
through
with
the
people
that
I
have
to
answer
to
on
that,
so
we'll
I'll
take
that
back
to
them.
I'm.
K
I
I
really
appreciate
that.
I
I
really
love
it
if
we
get
a
little
bit
of
more
fighting
for
that
green
roof
back
along
haywood
street
too,
because
I.
B
J
J
I
think
what
what
bothers
me
more
about
the
newer
version
is
the
original
renderings
felt
more
open
and
airy,
and
this
feels
more
constrained
and
it's
it's
so
rectilinear
now
and
I
understand
that
that's
the
result
of
moving
it
to
the
street
for
the
hotel
use,
but
I
I
wish
that
there
could
be
more
the
gap
in
the
front.
J
Maybe
I
don't
know
if
it
could
open
up
more
and
allow
more
of
a
break
in
the
building
and
if
the
roof
that
goes
away,
I
would
vote
for
continuing
the
cage
up
the
side,
all
the
way
to
the
roof
and
having
that
be
your
access.
I
think
that
could
be
an
interesting
feature.
D
B
D
The
the
the
previous
rendering,
I
think
that
you
that
you
had
up
just
a
second
ago,
man,
look
at
that
see.
That
was
just
the
the
the
proportion
of
glass
to
siding
the
the
way
that
that
reads
is
so
different
than
what
we're
looking
at
right
now,
at
least
to
my
eyes,
just
just
a
a
lot
more
elegant
and,
like
robin
said,
just
airy.
J
B
J
Floor
line
makes
it
less
blocky
to
me,
and
the
white
was
less
ominous.
K
And-
and
we
can,
we
can
provide
samples
of
of
materials
and
colors
too.
You
know
when
we
get
to
that
point
of
of
actually
having
the
physical
ones
and-
and
you
know,
we'd
be
happy
once
this
gets
along
to
probably
do
a
mock-up
panel
on
site
too,
where
everyone
can
can
look
at
it
and
touch
it
and
feel
it.
D
Well,
yeah,
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time
on
this,
so
I
I'm
just
thinking
through
your
comment
about
you
know.
Well,
it
shouldn't
be
like
a
stark
white,
but
so
I'm
thinking
a
lot
about
you
know
what
what
we're
looking
for
and
how
to
communicate
that
to
designers.
You
know
in
in
terms
of
what
predictability
and
and
and
and
how
we're
going
to
review
things
and
and
what
what
is,
what
is
the
quality
of
design
that
we're
looking
for
and
and
one
of
the
you
know
he's
like?
D
Well,
you
know,
but
man,
modern
architecture,
we've
got
a
lot
of
really.
You
know
kind
of
black
and
white
buildings
like
this,
that
that
kind
of
celebrate
that
that
that
stark,
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
term
impact
on
the
landscape.
D
I'm
not
opposed
to
that.
If
it's
done
well,
and
so
maybe
the
question
is,
is:
is
this
doing
it
as
well
as
it
could
again?
I
think
the
previous
design
was
less
that
way,
just
because
of
the
proportion
of
the
glass
to
the
siding
and
and
we're
we're
all
asking
them
to
to
look
at.
You
know
ways
to
move
back
more
towards
that,
but
I'm
not.
D
I
don't
think.
I
agree
that
that
it
can't
be
a
white
building.
We
had
one
of
the
one
of
the
designers
on
the
downtown
commission.
I
think
dio
had
that
comment
and
during
our
our
meeting
that
you
know
he
didn't
like
the
just
the
stark
white
building,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure.
I
agree
with
that.
I'm
just
curious
about
some
of
the
other
architects
and
designers
on
the
on
the
commission
what
they
think
about
that
and
maybe
how
we
can
communicate
that
clearly.
B
Anybody
else
have
any
comments,
any
other
architects
I
mean
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
white
boxes
but
and
and
the
fact
that
they're
using
you
know
concrete
block,
which
I
assume
maybe
is
painted.
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
the
materials
are
not
they're,
not
rich
to
me,
but
stephen
lee.
You
had
a
comment.
E
I
think
that
this
is
a
comment
for
the
architect.
Is
the
white
collar
something
that's
very
strongly
client
driven
and
did
you
explore
other
color
options?
I
guess
you
can
see
that
it.
It's
definitely
bringing
on
some
concert
conversation
but-
and
I
think
that
I
just
have
to
the
one
point-
that's
kind
of
standing
out
of
my
mind
is
what
jane
matthews
architect
mentioned
earlier.
K
B
K
I
K
Sits
around
at
least
on
the
edge
with
the
basilica.
You
know
we,
you
know
whether
it's
kind
of
a
an
off-white
or
a
shade
of
of
of
gray
or
something
along
those
lines.
We
felt
that
this
was
just
kind
of
the
most
pure
and
it's
in
its
essence,
and
and
again
with
the
you
know,
just
trying
to
hold
it
to
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
a
simple
streamlined
design
concept
that
I
always
felt
that
it
was
best
to
go
down
that
road
versus
introducing
a
color.
K
So
to
speak,
whether
it's
white
or
the
white
elephant,
the
room
or
the
you
know,
the
the
blue
or
the
gray
or
the
red
elephant
in
the
room.
It's
it's
kind
of
is
what
it
is,
and
you
know
that's
the
way
we
left
it.
D
Exactly
you
know,
how
do
we
you
know
so
when
I
think
of
like
the
great
buildings
that
you
know
how
ellington
brought
deco
to
asheville
then,
but
then
made
it
not
just
plain
deco
but
made
it
asheville
and
and
green
did
the
same
with
neo
gothic
and
neil
victoria,
and
you
know
our
our
our
biltmore
tutor
is
biltmore
village
tutor.
It's
not
like
tudor
anywhere
else,
and
our
montford
victorian
is
montford
victorian
and
you
know
how
did
they?
J
Well,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
would
make
it
belong
in
nashville
is,
if
we
all
agreed
that
it
celebrated
really
good
design.
I
mean
we
have
lots
of
examples,
especially
in
downtown
of
buildings,
that
celebrate
really
good
design.
There's
the
basilica
there's
the
grove
arcade,
and
I
don't
necessarily
think
it's
the
era
of
the
design
that
make
it
fit
in
so
well.
J
It's
kind
of
it
goes
back
to
what
stephen
lee
keeps
bringing
up
about
a
sense
of
place,
and
you
know
I
think
that
if
we
can
get
to
a
place
where
we
look
at,
I
think
that
the
first
that's
what
made
the
first
iteration
of
this
more
successful
to
me
is
it.
It
looked
like
a
really
good
piece
of
architecture
that
recognized
where
it
was
sitting,
and
I
think
if
we
can
get
to
a
place
where
we
all
agree
on
that,
the
style
of
architecture
is
less
important
than
the
quality.
C
B
So
committee
members
we're
at
the
point
we
either
have
more
questions
and
comments
discussion
or
we
entertain
a
motion.
K
And-
and
I
tend
to
agree
that
the
original
concept
is
is,
was
a
lot
more,
you
know
had
a
lot
more
going
for
it
in
terms
of
some
of
the
comments
that
we're
addressing
here
today,
and
I
think
the
thing
that's
you
know,
that's
that's
driving
a
lot
of
the
you
know.
The
the
adverse
reaction
to
what
we
we
came
back
with
today
is
is
that
you.
K
That
single
story
volume
over
the
retail
with
the
green
roof
and
and
kind
of
bringing
that
that
you
know
that
massing
all
the
way
up
on
the
corner
of
the
building
to
to
meet
a
requirement.
What's
the
process,
what
do
we
have
to
do
if
we
wanted
to
say
all
right?
Let's
go
back
to
that.
You
know
to
that
concept
that
we
looked
at
informally
last
month
to
go
with
that
single
story:
green
roof,
retail!
That's
on
you.
C
K
That
creates
a
little
bit
better
of
a
streetscape.
You
know
with
the
green
roof
and
and
all
that
along
haywood
street
versus
going
up
with
on
the
corner,
with
the
full
four
stories
just
to
meet
a
you
know,
an
ordinance
requirement.
A
A
A
stab
at
that
question,
so
I
think,
there's
two
questions,
two
things
here.
So
just
first
with
the
existing
design,
the
committee
has
three
options:
you
can
approve
the
design
with
conditions
you
could
deny
approval.
You
could
continue
this
item
and
ask
the
applicant
to
go
back
and
make
some
changes
and
come
back
now
going
back
to
the
one
story,
piece
of
it
with
the
last
iteration.
That
would
require
a
variance
and
and
then
there's
a
third
option
of
a
conditional
zoning.
A
A
G
B
G
A
very
hard
time
being
approved
for
variance,
I
think
you
would
have
better
luck,
potentially
with
the
conditional
zoning,
but
as
sasha
said
that
how
council
would
you
know,
review
a
hotel
after
having
gone
through
this
process,
to
establish
this
alternative
option
for
hotels?
I
I
don't
know
I
can't
say,
but.
D
A
B
A
Yeah,
the
code
would
have
to
be
written
differently
right.
The
code
would
have
to
like
literally
spell
out
an
option
for
a
one-story
piece
of
the
building
that
you'd
have
to
be
measurable.
Right,
like
one
story,
can
only
be
this
much
percentage
of
your
frontage
or
you
know,
there's
ways
you
could
do
it,
but
we
don't
have
that
in
our
code
today,.
G
Right,
so,
if
we're
going
to
consider
an
alternative
standard,
it
has
to
be
an
objective
standard
like
sasha
was
saying
it
has
to
be.
You
know
what
you
know:
minimum
stories
of
two
stories,
except
where
less
than
80
or
less
than
20
percent
of
the
street
facing
facade
etc
like
it
has
to
be
something,
that's
measurable
and
objective,
and
clearly
you
know
defined
another
anytime.
G
You
introduce
sort
of
this
kind
of
subjective's,
not
the
right
word,
but
this
more
sort
of
discretionary
decision
making
it
has
to
be
either
a
legislative
hearing
or
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
A
board
of
adjustment
variants
is
quasi-judicial.
G
You
know
they
could
do
that.
But
again
there
are
these
statutory
standards
that
you
know
describe
like.
What's
unique
about
the
property,
what
what
prevents
full
compliance
you
know
did
the
applicant
create
their
own
hardship.
You
know
so
that,
for
those
reasons
I
don't
think
this
is
a
good
candidate
for
a
board
of
adjustment
variants.
G
G
You
know,
maybe
it
wouldn't
be
a
big
deal,
but
it
you
do
open
yourself
up
to
other
conditions
that
could
the
council
could
want
to
see
happen
on
the
site.
I
don't
know
what
that
would
be
in
this
case,
but
so
I
don't
know
that
I
would
necessarily
discourage
a
conditional
zoning.
K
Yeah
yeah,
and
we
that
was
our
intent
all
along,
I
mean
that's
why
we
kept
this
at
a
level
one.
We
could
have
gone
to
a
level
two
very
easily
and
and
gone
through
this
whole
process,
but
we
wanted
to
keep
this
by
right
and,
within
you
know,
the
boundaries
of
a
level
two
or
I'm
sorry,
a
level
one
review,
so
that
remains
our.
D
B
E
I
think,
based
on
the
comments
that
we've
made,
the
only
way
that
I
see
that
this
could
move
forward
successfully
is
to
just
continue
the
discussion
and
have
the
additional
information
provided
to
us
from
the
design
team,
and
I
think
also
if
we
can
just
share
any
more
about
the
fact
that
you
know
this
was
approved.
E
A
a
design
for
this
lot
was
approved
as
condominiums
before
I
personally,
I
see
the
use
as
very,
very
different
and
very
different
for
those
who
who
work
and
live
downtown
and
those
who
live
close
to
downtown
no
longer.
Is
it
going
to
be
residents
downtown,
it's
going
to
be
hotel
and
that's
john.
I
don't
want
this
to
sound
like
or
make
it
feel
like
it's
a
very
difficult
process,
but
the
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
words.
E
The
the
game
has
changed
on
how
hotel
that's
a
level
one
review
gets
approved
and
the
bar
is
actually
higher
due
to
requests
and
outrage
from
citizens
and
what
led
to
a
moratorium
and
all
the
designers
that
you're
hearing
from
right
now
work
in
hospitality
design
and
we
work
in
multi-family
design
and
we
deal
with
budgets,
and
I
think
we
all
want
to
try
to
work
together
on
this.
But
there's
some
things
that
need
to
be
provided.
So
we
can
help
this
one
move
forward.
But
that
would
be
my
suggestion.
D
K
It
should,
and
if
it,
if
it
doesn't
sasha,
we
can
take
that
offline
and
if
we
need
to
punt
to
february
we
can.
We
can
deal
with
that.
Okay.
D
I'll
move
that
this
matter
be
continued
to
the
january
twentieth.
Twenty
twenty
two.
E
B
Okay,
second
from
stephen
lee
johnson,
okay
I'll
call
the
roll
steven
lee
johnson,
hi
brian
moffitt,.
D
B
Ben
williamson
aye
robin
reigns
hi
myself,
I
so
this
this
item,
123
haywood
street,
is-
is
continued
to
january's
meeting.
Thank
you.
Oh
thank
you,
john.
K
B
Thank
you
same
to
you.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
363
hilliard
at
the
avery,
and
I
think
will
is
going
to
present
that
yeah.
G
G
This
is
the
end
of
his
second
week
and
he
has
done
an
impressive
job
third
week
is
that
right,
three
weeks,
dang
time
flies
so,
but
in
that
short
time,
will's
done
a
very
impressive
job
of
familiarizing
himself,
with
our
development
standards
and
design
review
guidelines
so
seemed
appropriate
to
let
him
take
off
the
training
wheels
and
get
started
with
his
first
review
before
you
also.
I
just
wanted
to
introduce,
will
and
before
things
got
kicked
off.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
happy
to
be
here
so
quick
background
about
me.
I'm
from
upstate
new
york
originally,
but
came
here
by
way
of
richmond
virginia
where
I
was
a
planner
for
eight
years,
but
I've
always
I've
been
coming
out
to
the
asheville
western
north
carolina
area
for
gosh.
Since
I
was
like
five
or
six
years
old,
because
I
have
a
lot
of
family
out
here
and
it's
always
kind
of
been
a
dream
to
live
out
this
way.
So
I'm
very
excited
to
be
here
and
I'll
make
this
city
even
better.
H
So
I
will
go
ahead
and
share
my
stream
never
done
this
before
on
google.
So
if
I
get
one.
H
Great,
so
this
is
a
formal
review
for
a
project
known
as
the
avery
at
363
hillyard
avenues
for
a
conditional
zoning.
The
project
is
located
at
the
near
the
corner.
H
The
project
was
also
informally
reviewed
by
the
downtown
commission
last
friday.
The
10th
of
december,
similar
concerns
are
voiced
at
that
meeting
as
well,
including
a
lack
of
sense
of
place
for
the
area
which
is
located,
I
should
say,
is
located
in
the
downtown
review
area.
H
Other
concerns
that
downtown
commission
included
design
is
kind
of
more
focused
on
vehicular
access
and
less
so
on.
Pedestrian
and
bicycle
access
again
the
materials
and
also
the
lack
of
any
attempt
to
incorporate
best
management
practice,
stormwater
techniques,
so
we
actually
received
revised
drawings
for
the
projects.
H
Last
last
afternoon
they
have
been
uploaded
to
the
city's
website
under
the
design
review
committee
page.
So
I
don't
know
if
folks
have
had
a
chance
to
look
at
them.
I'd
like
to
kind
of
present
them
noting
some
of
the
key
changes
that
are
relatively
minor
overall
from
the
formal
submission.
H
I
believe
we
have
folks
from
the
development
team
here
that
can
probably
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
on
some
of
those
changes
and
answer
questions
as
well.
So
this
is
the
the
narrative
updated
narrative
for
the
project.
It
notes
a
total
of
184
residential
units
between
two
buildings.
H
It's
a
slight
reduction
of,
I
guess,
11
units
from
the
formal
submission,
although
the
configuration
and
size
of
the
two
buildings
has
not
changed
at
all,
building
a
or
building
one,
also
known
as
four
stories
wood
frame
over
one
story,
concrete
podium
and
then
building
b
is
a
three-story
residential.
Only
building.
H
Here
is
a
site
plan
for
the
proposal.
You
can
see
building
one
kind
of
anchors,
the
corner
of
klingman
and
hilliard
avenue
the
commercial
space
fronting
on
hilliard
avenue
the
parking
area
behind
the
buildings
with
an
underbuilding
parking
along
clingman
avenue
here
here
is
building
two
three
stories
residential.
Only
you
can
see
the
vehicular
access
points
on
pearl
street
as
well
as
hilliard
avenue.
H
H
H
A
change
materials
is
was
proposed
on
clingman
avenue
at
the
kind
of
northern
end
of
that
elevation,
where
the
building
kind
of
turns
the
corner
and
it
abouts
the
u.s
postal
service
fleet,
repair
property,
so
they've
changed
that
to
instead
of
a
fiber,
siding
fiber
spin
signing
on
the
on
the
three
stories.
It's
now
a
proposed
via
brick
veneer,
the
the
percentage
of
the
street
level
openings
has
decreased
slightly
to
53
percent,
as
opposed
to
the
required
70
percent.
H
H
This
elevation
is,
has
changed
relatively
dramatically.
I
think
for
the
for
the
better.
This
is
the
elevation
that
would
kind
of
be
facing
the
u.s
postal
service
property
on
the
right
is
kind
of
the
edge
of
the
klingman
avenue
elevation.
You
can
see
as
noted
here
it's
the
view
looking
at,
or
you
know
that
that
drawing
is
actually
accurate,
but
actually
no.
Yes,
it
is
so
the
building
wraps
kind
of
two
corners,
the
corner
of
clingman
and
hilliard,
and
also
wraps
around
the
corner
by
the
u.s
postal
service.
H
So
you
would
see
a
good
amount
of
this
from
clingman
avenue,
since
the
postal
service
building
is
relatively
small
but
they've
kind
of
reconfigured
the
materials
on
the
on
the
facade.
Perhaps
some
of
the
windows
as
as
well,
you
can
see
the
change
in
the
fiber
cement,
siding
used
and
also
the
addition
of
brick
near
on
portions
of
this
elevation,
and
then
this
elevation
just
shows
clingman
avenue,
as
seen
from
the
parking
lot,
which
has
not
changed.
H
And
then
some
updated
renderings
that
reflect
the
changes
in
some
of
the
materials
on
the
on
the
elevation.
This
one
has
not
changed
dramatically.
This
is
the
corner
of
clingman
and
hilliard.
You
can
see
the
kind
of
corner
storefront
feature
here:
more
retail
space
down
hillyard
and
presidential
up
clingman.
H
And
then
this
is
a
view
looking
south,
mostly
down
clingman.
H
H
You
can
see
the
addition
of
some
of
this
herringbone
brick
pattern,
also
the
kind
of
suggestion
of
a
some
kind
of
mural
or
design
on
what
would,
I
guess
otherwise,
just
be
a
blank
wall
on
that
elevation
as
well.
H
And
this
is
the
view
looking
up
hillyard
looking
west,
this
is
all
still
building
one,
the
retail
space
that
fronts
along
hillyard.
This
is
an
entrance
to
a
there's,
a
stairwell
and
an
entrance.
The
building
for
the
sidewalk
juts
in
here.
H
L
Hey
will
this
is
warren
sugg,
with
so
civil
design
concepts
good
to
meet
you?
I
don't
believe,
we've
we've
met
or
been
introduced
to
this
point.
Welcome
to
the
to
the
city.
Will
I
believe
you
had
one
more
exhibit
that
you
hadn't
shown
yet,
which
was
the
landscape
sheet?
Would.
H
You
would
you
click
on
that
yep,
sorry
yeah
here
it
is
so.
We
also
received
a
landscaping
plan
as
well.
That
notes
the
proposed
plantings
at
the
site.
L
Share
matthews,
if
it,
if
it's
good
with
you
I'll,
have
I'm
happy
to
go
through
the
landscape
plan
here
and
certainly
have
the
architects
on
the
line
as
well.
They
can
go
into
much
more
greater
detail
as
to
what
all
they've
done
over
the
last
few
days.
In
a
few
weeks
on
the
architectural
things.
L
Great,
so
I
welcome
all
the
comments
that
we've
received
over
the
last
few
weeks.
You
guys
have
been
great
in
giving
us
feedback,
as
well
as
dtc
working
with
staff
I'll
give
a
little
bit
of
wrap
around
about
all
the
different
groups
that
have
been
discussed
with
on
this
project
recently.
So
ncdot
certainly
plays
a
part
in
what
can
happen
along
clingman.
They
had
in
years
gone
by
had
concerns
over
street
trees
close
to
travel
lanes.
L
I
was
able
to
catch
up
with
nick
dorado
and
chris
medlen
and
speak
with
them
a
little
bit
about
tree
placements.
They
requested
that
trees
be
pushed
back
away
from
travel
lane
as
much
as
possible,
which
I
think,
really
closely
aligns
with
what
dtc
and
this
group
probably
wants
as
well,
which
is
a
nice
pallet
closer
to
the
building.
It
also
probably
still
meets
the
the
street
tree
requirements
being
within
traveling
distance
and
still
within
that
15
feet
also
sort
of
a
long
hilliard.
L
That's
not
d.o.t,
that
is
city
maintained
and
we
were
able
to
have
a
good
conversation
with
jessica
morris
as
well
as
chris,
christopher
and
ken
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
really
started
to
look
at
the
the
bike
lane,
as
as
many
of
you
guys
know,
probably
about
this
area.
There's
there's
kind
of
a
weird
switch
over
of
the
bike
as
you're
going
east
to
west
along
hilliard,
it's
on
your
outside
rightmost
way
and
then,
as
you
go
through
pearl,
it
actually
crosses
over
into
traffic
and
shares
a
lane
with
that
through
and
left.
L
So
hearing
that
and
then
also
hearing,
maybe
the
need
and
desire
to
get
that
that
bike
lane
out
of
travel
lane
up
somewhere,
where
it
could
be
protected
and
the
abundance
of
hardscape
that
we
had
along
that
frontage.
We
kind
of
came
up
with
this.
This,
hopefully
good
idea
where
we
can
have
that
shared
bike
and
pedestrian
area
out
along
the
outermost
area,
which
would
be
that
public
space
and
then
it
could
be
broken
up
with
a
green
space
to
help
define
public
and
private
area.
L
L
You'd
have
a
series
of
flumes
and
trenches,
and
things
like
that.
That
could
be
a
little
bit
cumbersome,
but
we
can
sort
of
further
evaluate
that.
But
what
it
does
do
is
gives
us
a
great
opportunity
to
define
the
two
spaces,
have
some
green
and
and
honestly
get
those
pedestrians
and
those
bikes
off
of
the
road,
but
still
within
eye
shots.
L
So
they're,
not
they're,
not
playing
chicken
with
with
trees
and
people
that
are
on
the
on
the
drive
areas
of
hilliard
are
not
having
to
wonder
when
they're
gonna
come
back
out
into
the
lanes.
L
Also,
what
we
heard
was,
you
know
some
more
green
areas
within
the
site,
so
we've
actually
cut
some
curbs
internal
to
the
site,
trying
to
get
storm
water
to
go
to
areas
that
can't
officially
be
bioretentions,
because
there's
just
not
enough
width
and
mass
there,
but
it
can
still
be
very
beneficial
to
slowing
water
down
cleaning
water,
cooling,
water,
all
those
different
things
that
are
stormwater
objectives
anyway.
L
So
we've
got
three
areas:
that
kind
of
have
that
blue
kind
of
pickled
look
to
them
the
main
center
north
north
south
island,
the
island,
that's
just
to
the
southeast
of
the
compactor,
and
then
we
do
have
a
little
area
there,
just
north
of
the
compactor,
where
we
expect
to
handle
some
storm
water.
L
L
That
would
be,
you
know,
facing
out
headlights
out
towards
pearl
and
anne
and
we've
got
a
landscape
wall
over
there
that
we
intend
to
not
only
integrate
with
the
materials
of
the
buildings,
but
it
also
would
keep
any
headlights
that
would
be
pointing
out
from
from
being
a
distraction
in
front
of
that
we
have
a
series
of
shrubs
and
green
areas
to
try
to
mute
that
wall
a
bit
and
to
just
kind
of
give
us
some
some
prettiness
when
we
are
encumbered
by
easements
such
as
that
storm
and
sewer
that's
coming
through
there,
I'm
gonna
sort
of
be
quiet
and
and
flip
it
over
to
architectural.
B
You
know
staff
mentioned
the
exit
entrance
off
of
hilliard
as
being
an
issue,
and
I
was
wondering
what
you
know.
Your
discussions
with
the
city
were
because
that's
a
busy
intersection
like
we
were
talking
earlier
about
haywood
that
that
gets
especially
at
rush
hour.
Hillary
is
a
major
crosstown
connection
back
to
clingman
back
to
240
and
that
traffic.
I
know
I've
tried
to
get
out
of
aston
park
at
that
you
know
or
in
that
area
and
it's
a
problem.
B
L
Yes,
ma'am,
it
is
compactor
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
so
that
would
be
our
trash
collection,
that's
unchanged
from
early
concept
drawings.
All
the
way.
To
this
point,
it's
always.
L
It
would
it
would
have
walls
that
would
be
screen
walls
and
then,
to
your
point
or
your
question
about
the
the
vehicular
points
of
access.
Those
are
unchanged
just
a
little
bit
of
a
reminder
both
of
those
line
up
perfectly
with
existing
public
sewer
and
public
sewer
that
comes
through
that
area.
I
don't
think
this
particular
plan.
L
Does
it,
although
you
do
see
the
the
dashed
gray
line?
That
I
believe
is
the.
I
believe
that
is
the
sewer
one
there's
a
storm
one,
that's
very
very
much
in
parallel
with
it.
So
honestly,
it's
a
great
use
of
that
space
that
space
can't
be
encumbered
with
buildings,
so
we
have
to
get
in
and
out
of
our
site.
We
have
a
tia,
that's
been
done
and
is
ongoing
in
review,
and
certainly,
if
there's
any
conflicts
with
that
location,
we'll
have
to
deal
with
it,
but
it
is.
J
L
So
it's
still
a
work
in
progress,
but
some
things
that
we've
been
discussing
with
jessica
in
transportation
is
that,
right
now,
when
they're
coming
along
hillyard
and
they
get
to
the
pearl
intersection,
will
you
zoom
in
just
a
little
bit
to
the
pearl
and
and
heal
your
interchange?
L
You
can
start
to
see
the
dashed
lines
as
you're
going
west,
where
they,
the
bike
traffic,
is
actually
bypassing
across
a
right
turn.
Vehicular
movement.
What
we're
thinking
and
what
jessica
had
sent
some
nice
photos
about
all
across
the
united
states
was
actually
having
the
bikes
segregated
up
onto
that
public
space.
L
Like
I
said,
we're
still
working
through
it.
We
right
now
have
10
foot
of
area
to
work
with.
We've
got
those
trees
that
are
out
from
being
right
there
at
the
curb
line,
which
I
think
would
help
visibly
be
able
to
see
those
bike,
users
and
and
walkers,
and
then
yes,
they
would
be
popping
up,
but
our
intent
would
be
a
nice
flattened
area
if
you
zoom
in
just
a
little
bit
more
you'll,
even
see
where
we
started
to
show
some
line.
L
Work
of
we
expect
that
whole
corner
to
be
sort
of
a
very
large
ramp
up.
B
L
We
would
we
would
certainly
work
with
city
staff
and
decide
what's
best
there,
some
of
the
pictures
that
were
shared
had
it
as
actually
kind
of
a
gray
color.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
painted
or
whether
that's
actual
a
material
thing.
I
know
the
city
has
standards
on
what
sidewalks
can
be.
As
far
as
hearing
bones
and
different
you
know
patterns
we're
not
nor
not
opposed
to
anything.
We
just
need
to
work
through
those
more
specific
details,
but
that
that's
the
idea.
L
L
The
other
thing
to
note
just
popped
in
my
head
is,
you
know
there
is
a
series
of
a
lot
of
different
utility
lines:
overhead
utility
lines
that
are
in
this
area,
not
only
along
hilliard
but
along
clingman
we've
been
having
hours
and
hours
of
conversations
with
those
different
utility
providers
to
better
understand
the
routes
where
those
things
can
go
below
grade
which
just
plays
into
all
these
different
site
components
and
also
the
architectural
components
I
did.
I
did
want
to
make
sure
you
guys
were
aware
that
those
are
ongoing
discussions.
E
Thank
you.
I
was
wondering
if
the
the
shared
sidewalk
bike
lane
sidewalk
it's
drawn
a
little
bit
of
concern.
I
know
it's
been
done,
but
I
was
wondering
if,
if
you
could
why
we
can't
have
a
traditional
bike
lane
and
then
a
some
type
of
linear,
bmp
or
linear
planted
area
and
then
a
10
foot
sidewalk.
L
Stephen
lee
good
question:
there
is
several
different
right-of-ways
that
are
happening
here
currently,
and
this
plan
is
perfect
right.
Where
you
see
the
aaa
cross
section,
you'll
notice
that
the
actual
property
line
or
right
away
line
is
along
the
curb
line
to
the
easternmost
point
about
where
we
have
the
bicycle
racks
that
that
then
jumps
in
and
then,
if
you
go
to
the
south,
there's
actually
some
different
right
way
lines.
L
So,
in
order
to
start
pushing
curves
and
public
things
further
and
further
into
the
site,
there
would
have
to
be
a
a
a
dedication
and
a
taking
of
land.
Okay,
so
that
plays
certainly
into
what
can
be
done.
E
The
warren
I
want
to
thank
you
for
y'all,
just
over
the
last
couple
days,
adding
several
of
these
elements
and
we
really
appreciate
y'all
working
with
the
city
and
staff
and
us
as
volunteers
on
this.
I
think
it's
really
moving
forward
in
a
very
positive
way.
E
I
would
like
to
encourage
you
to,
in
the
section
aa
where
they're
the
linear
planter
concept,
in
addition
to
sloping
the
sidewalks
in
that
area
to
get
storm
water
in
it
again
we're
trying
to
we're
trying
to
demonstrate
and
then
witness
innovative
storm
water
management
techniques
in
here.
So
if
you
can
slope
your
sidewalks
towards
these
planters,
maybe
even
a
roofline,
a
roof
train
goes
into
these
and
we
really
begin
to
make
a
difference.
It
would
be
great
to
see
that
happen.
E
The
I
think
there's
a
huge
difference
in
the
parking
lot
and
how
again
your
demonstrated
innovative
management
techniques
of
storm
water
for
that
water.
That's
not
going
into
your
storm
tech
system,
so
we're
taking
hot
water
off
the
parking
lot,
instead
of
sending
it
directly
into
a
pipe
and
then
right
into
the
stream,
which
is
just
across
the
street
from
this
you're.
Potentially
cooling
it
off
and
letting
it
infiltrate,
so
this
may
be
an
architectural
question,
but
I'm
interested
about
what's
showing
up
on
the
west
side
of
the
building
with
the
green
screens.
E
B
I
Sure
katie
burke,
with
klein
I'm
on
the
design
team
I'll
just
briefly
go
through,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
will
maybe
toggling
back
to
some
of
the
renderings,
and
we
can
talk
through
specifically
the
ones
along
clingman,
because
I
feel
like
those
are
the
ones
that'll
have
the
most
concern.
Initially,
this
one
is
great.
So,
as
warren
alluded
to
and
steven
lee's
comments,
we
are
including
a
green
screen
breaker.
I
This
shows
obviously
a
tree
slime,
we're
not
including
the
green
screen
because
we're
still
working
out
some
of
the
details
there,
but
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
of
the
aspects
that
our
team
really
tried
to
hone
in
on
based
on
our
feedback
from
last
week,
one
of
which,
being
that
clingman
avenue.
I
One
of
the
comments
was
that
it
was
it
felt
to
be
too
long
and
not
broken
up
enough.
So
we
did
try
to
provide
a
bit
more
relief
between
the
balconies,
which
are
the
gray
three-story
masses
and
then
the
three-story
brick
component,
just
to
you,
know,
hone
in
more
so
on
a
residential
feel,
because
what's
very
nice
about
asheville
in
particular,
is
its
connection
with
of
the
built
environment.
I
With
the
beautiful
landscape
and
the
pedestrians-
and
we
obviously
do
not
want
to
detract
from
that-
we
want
to
add
to
the
urban
fabric,
so
you'll
see
that
with
the
palette,
we're
really
trying
to
tie
into
some
of
the
vernacular
richness.
That
is
actual
architecture
that
you
all
have
highlighted
throughout
this
meeting.
I
So
that's
one
thing:
just
providing
a
bit
more
relief
and
dynamic
dynamics
along
clingman
and
then
treating
the
roof
line
in
such
a
way
that
perhaps
could
tie
back
into
some
of
that
vernacular
bungalow
type
architecture.
Obviously
the
scale
is
very
different
here,
but
trying
our
best
to
just
pay
homage
to
some
of
those
elements,
and
then
this
view
in
particular,
you
see
the
terminus
of
klingman.
I
B
I
It
is
the
side
of
a
unit,
so
there
are
four
stacks
of
units
there.
However,
we
do
not
the
way
that
the
unit
is
situated.
We
wouldn't
necessarily
need
to
provide
windows
on
that
side.
That
unit
gets
a
lot
of
light
and
you
can
see
that
on
the
klingman
and
hillyard
corner.
So
you
know
we
were
just
trying
to
identify
ways
to
incorporate
the
community
a
bit
more
and
that's
all.
I
have
to
say
right
now
so
I'll
open
the
florida
questions.
D
Yeah
so,
first
of
all,
I
deeply
apologize.
The
downtown
commission
is
double
booked,
and
so
we're
gonna
have
to
what
you
need.
Sasha.
A
D
Okay,
perfect,
thank
you
yeah,
so
so
we're
we're
going
to
try
to
move
through
our
comments
as
quickly
as
possible.
Then
thank
you.
I've
got
lots
of
comments
I'm
going
to
key
in
on
the
last
one.
First,
a
north-facing
window
wall
wall
like
that
could
easily
have
glass
and
I
am
getting
less
and
less
fond
of
murals
in
lieu
of
architecture.
D
So
I
appreciate
a
lot
of
the
the
moves
that
you
folks
have
been
making
specifically
on
the
site
side.
It
looks
like
the
site
has
gone
a
long
way.
I
was
also
going
to
key
in
on
the
little
brownstone
building,
but
I'll
stay
where
you're
looking
right
now,
I
I
I
think
the
building
detail
in
massing.
I
see
the
little
the
little
pitched
roof
with
a
little
wooden
bracket.
You
know
I
see
elements
like
that
and
I
think
that
is
the
right
direction.
D
I'm
still
not
keen
on
boarding
batten
as
a
urban
material.
I
just
don't
think
it's
appropriate.
I
honestly
don't
think
lab
siding
is
appropriate
as
our
urban
material,
the
the
brick
detailing,
has
gotten
better.
I
think
that
general
massing
has
gotten
better.
It
still
feels
like
one
big
building
y'all
I
mean
this
is
this
is
much
better
than
what
I
saw,
but
it
still
feels
like
one
big
building
it
doesn't
it
because
the
colors
are
all
similar.
The
brick
is
all
similar.
The
the
paints
are
all
similar,
the
window
style
placement.
D
All
of
that
is
just
so
repetitive
that
it
still
feels
very
much
like
one
building.
As
I
look
at
this
as
I
look
at
this
a
piece
moving
to
the
there,
we
go,
the
the
the
kind
of
the
main
you
know
corner
piece.
D
I
I
think
that's
probably
the
most
successful
piece
that
you've
got
on
there.
I'm
again,
I'm
not
huge
on
the
fiber
cement,
but
you
know
as
a
as
a
as
a
color
as
a
as
an
idea.
I
I
think
that
I
think
that
corner
piece
is
fine
and
I
do
appreciate
and
I'll
yield
stephen
lee
on
on.
You
know
how
that
works.
D
I
do
not
see
the
green
screens
on
these
on
these
renderings,
so
I
really
don't
know
how
big
they
are,
or
what
they're
doing
and
then
again
moving
moving
kind
of
down
that
elevation
and
around
towards
the
brownstone
building.
The
the
the
little
building
on
the
corner
of
is
that
pearl,
the
brick
pieces
are
kind
of
fun,
and
I,
like
those,
I
I'm
still
not
buying
that
little
gray
board
and
batten
infill
in
between
that's
as
quick
and
concise
as
I
can
make
it
there.
You
go.
B
J
You're
next,
while
we're
on
this
view,
the
the
access
to
the
stairs
feels
like
a
missed
opportunity
to
me.
That
seems
like
that
could
be.
I
mean
if,
if
we're
talking
about
brownstones,
I
think
about
the
stair
is
the
brownstone
and
the
stair
could
be
a
place
to
gather
this?
D
So
what
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
clear
steven
lee
are
we
ready
to
vote?
Do
you
feel
like
you've
got
enough
information.
E
I
feel
like
there's
more
information
that
we
need.
I
think
that
I'm
not
going
to
really
speak
on
the
architecture,
but
I
do
think
that
there
have
been
some
major
major
improvements
on
this
about
as
fast
as
anything
could
happen
since
the
downtown
commission-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
development
team
and
the
architectural
team
design
team
realize
we
understand
and
greatly
appreciate
that
we
it
helps
us
understand
too,
better
the
design
constraints
because
of
right-of-ways
and
property
lines.
E
E
I
think
we
need
one
more
round.
Personally,
we
need
to
make
you
know
so
one
more
round.
D
D
E
D
B
M
I
did
I
just
wanted
to
speak
up
and
say
so,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
anything
further
than
what
we
have
provided
thus
far,
and
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
we
are
working
through
a
design
with
duke
energy
on
potentially
burying
those
power
lines.
Along
with
at
t's
lines
and
those
lines,
we've
been
made
very
clear
that
they
will
not
bury
those
lines
within
the
street.
M
They
will
only
bury
those
lines
within
the
sidewalk
and
I'm
not
sure
necessarily
when
we're
going
to
release
them
on
a
full-on
design
of
what
that
will
entail.
But
we
certainly
won't
release
them
for
a
design
unless
we
know
that
we're
going
to
be
moving
forward
with
an
approval
on
the
project,
at
least
to
the
level
that
we're
going
to
be
in
front
of
planning
and
zoning
and
then
hopefully
see
what
that's
going
to
entail.
So
I
believe
that
we've
done
a
very
good
job.
M
The
team
collectively
providing
all
of
the
design
implications
that
you
all
could
would
need
in
order
to
make
a
approval
or
non-approval
today,
so
that
that
is
just.
I
want
you
all
to
be
clear
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
that
work
and
heavy
lifting,
and
I
think
we've
listened
to
what
the
neighbors
neighborhood
has
said.
M
The
planning
staff
has
said,
and
also
the
design
review
committee,
which
we
heard
it
in
in
very
great
detail
last
week
on
the
downtown
commission
committee,
but
I'll
just
stop
right
there,
I'm
not
sure
you
know
wyatt
stevens
is
on
the
call
as
well.
I'm
not
sure
if
he
has
anything,
he
would
like
to
say
further,
but
that's.
F
Yeah,
I
I'll
just
jump
in
here
wrote
real
quick,
madam
chair
wyatt,
stevens
for
the
developer.
You
know
I've
attended
each
of
the
meetings.
We've
had
three
two
design
review
committee
meetings
and
the
downtown
commission
and
I
have
watched
the
evolution
of
this
design
fairly
rapidly.
F
I
I've
heard
each
of
you
and
I
can
assure
you,
the
design
team
has
heard
each
of
you
and
your
comments
and
has
tried
hard
to
come
up
with
a
design
that
you
know
that
answers
a
lot
of
the
questions,
and
I
think
this
one
does
clearly.
There
are
a
few
questions
remaining,
including
the
bike
lane
sidewalk
question
the
green
screen
and
I
think
robin's
excellent
suggestion
dealing
with
the
you
know
the
the
the
the
stairwell
features
on
the
brownstone,
but
this
is
a
this
committee-
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance.
F
F
If,
if
it's
an
option-
and
I'm
and
I'll
I'll
ask
you
know
the
planners,
the
city
staff,
this
question,
if
it's
an
option
to
do
both,
if
if
this
would
not
hold
us
up,
we
could
still
go
to
planning
and
zoning,
then
I
think
we're
happy
to
come
back
understanding
that,
because
of
the
the
duke
power
line
question
we
may
not
be
able
to
really
ultimately
answer
the
sidewalk
question
in
a
month.
F
G
A
All
right
so
with
that
moving
on
just
before
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
that
we
have
time
for
the
informal
review
I
I
will
leave
that
to
the
committee,
but
before
that.
A
We
wanted
to
honor
jane
matthews.
This
is
her
last
meeting
of
the
design
review
committee.
Jane
is
finishing
her
term
on
nashville,
riverfront,
commission
and
where
she
has
served
for
six
years
and
robin
I
don't
I'll
give
it
to
you.
J
So
first
off
sasha
sent
me
jane's
cv
and
there's
far
too
much
to
even
begin
to
read.
If
we
want
to
get
off
here
by
three
o'clock
jane,
you
have
done
so
much
in
your
time
as
an
architect,
so
much
volunteer
time
and
so
much
time
to
make
design
changes
and
guidelines
for
the
betterment
of
asheville,
and
we
appreciate
you
for
that.
J
She's
been
involved
with
planning
and
design
issues
along
the
french
broad
river,
going
back
to
1989,
participating
in
the
open
space
design,
charette
in
1991
and
as
a
member
of
asheville,
riverfront
joint
aia,
aslar,
udat,
charette,
urban
linkages,
team
and
she's
been
a
very
active
member
of
the
preservation
community,
especially
in
auburn
mall
park
and
the
charlotte
street
corridor,
where
she
worked
on
the
corridor
overlay
district
for
that
area.
J
She's
been
the
chair
for
the
planning
and
design
committee
2015
to
2021.
That's
the
riverfront.
She
served
on
the
river
arts
district
form
base
code
advisory
committee
from
2015
to
27
2017.
J
She
was
appointed
to
the
design
review
committee
by
city
council
in
may
of
2021
and
has
served
as
the
first
chair
of
this
body,
for
which
we
are
extremely
grateful
and
through
all
these
years
jane,
you
have
always
been
a
consistent
advocate
for
great
design
and
quality
construction
in
our
community,
and
we
really
appreciate
all
you
have
done
for
asheville.
B
C
D
E
I
just
wanted
to
add
jane
you're
you're,
one
of
these
design
professionals,
that
when
I
started
a
business
17
years
ago,
you
served
in
many
ways
as
a
mentor
and
you've
always
been
one
of
these
people
that
has
been
like.
If
you
needed
something
done,
they
always
say:
ask
someone
who's
busy
and
you've
been
the
one.
That's
been
busy
and
you're
an
absolute
amazing
volunteer
and
your
mark
is
going
to
be
forever
on
asheville
now
and
into
the
future.
I'm
sure,
but
thanks
for
all
your
volunteerism.
B
B
But
I
know
you
all
have
another
meeting,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
table
the
informal
design
review
for
another
time
sasha.
I
look
to
you
on
that.
A
B
A
He's
gotten
shaggy,
it
looks
different,
and
so
they
had
the
star
building.
The
documents
are
in
a
folder
for
you
all
it's
a
historic
preservation
project.
Literally
in
eight
minutes
I
mean
really.
The
public
meeting
started
at
two
but
they're
pushing
back
to
two
o'clock,
2
15
for
you
all,
but
I
know
these
folks
might
need
a
break
jeff
and
robin.
I
don't
know
what
you
what
you
all
think.
J
I've
seen
this
project
before
I
think
it
looks
great
and
we
can
just
go
straight
to
you
know:
approval
no
conflict
of
interest,
I'm
just
kidding.
Obviously
I
have
no
say-so
in
this,
so
whatever
you
guys
want
to
do.
C
And
we
can
just
go
for
final
review
if
there's
not
time
today.
So
it's
it's
up
to
y'all.
B
D
Yeah
I'll
try
to
be
real,
fast
steven
lee
you
go
ahead
and
then
I'll
go.
E
Well,
this
is,
this
is
primarily
an
architectural
review,
but
the
I
look
out
over
this
building
from
where
I
live
downtown
and
I've
looked
over
these
drawings
very
carefully,
and
this
is
like
the
last
remaining
eyesore
downtown
and
one
of
the
last,
and
I
think,
especially
the
proposals
for
legend
avenue
that
elevation,
I
think
it's
it's
time
is
coming
and
I'd
like
to
support
it.
100
thanks.
B
D
Yeah,
I
I
also
tried
to
review
this
reasonably
carefully
and
I
just
tiny
little
nitpicks
jeff,
sorry
that
that
little
awning
on
the
side
of
the
building
that
faces
the
alley
something's,
I
don't
know
it
it,
it
doesn't
fit
with
the
door
or
the
window
or
something
and
the
way
the
the
supports
hit.
That
just
didn't
quite
sit
right
with
me.
I
think
that
could
use
some.
I
mean
it's
a
really
good
job.
D
You
guys
are
being
very
careful,
looks
like
you're,
like
you
said,
it's
kind
of
a
you're
following
all
the
regulations
and
the
repair
of
the
materials.
I
think
I
think
it
can
go
forward
and
we
can
do
anything
that
we
need
to
do
at
a
final
review
stage.
Okay,.
B
D
C
D
B
C
C
I
B
Thank
you
so
we'll
thank
you
we'll
just
continue
and
then
they'll
come
back
for
formal.
Is
that
what
we're
hearing
okay?
Do?
We
need
a
motion
on
that
sasha,
no.
D
B
Okay,
do
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting
then
or.
B
B
Okay,
so
I
guess
I'll
read
the
role:
let's
see.