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C
D
A
E
All
right,
a
lot
of
stuff
yeah.
C
Yeah
and
yeah
like
like
in
the
past,
we'll
we'll
take
a
time
check
around
two
o'clock
and
if
folks,
wanna
need
to
drop
out,
yeah
thoughts
and
comments
can
always
be
sent
directly
to
me
and
I
can
forward
those.
E
On
to
the
applicant
so
General
comment:
when
we
get
public
comment
like
I,
think
we
had
an
email
in
for
the
46
Aston
I
think
maybe
one
of
the
only
one
of
the
items
actually
applies
to
the
design
of
the
project
right.
E
C
Mean
I
think
you
can
you
don't
have
to
necessarily
address
public
comment
and
they'll
post
it
and
they're
there
for
you
to
look
at
okay.
So
as
long
as
you're
aware
of
the
comments
you
can
consider
them,
but
obviously
the
ones
that
are
to
remain
to
the
design
could
be
considered
more
than
the
others.
You
don't
necessarily
have
to
respond
or
read.
F
E
No
yeah
yeah
number
two,
because
the
other
she's
calling
the
liar
in
one
and
then
the
the
number
three
is
I,
don't
know
a
monetary
something
it's
so
it
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
design
review
board
or
anything.
Actually,
the
city
of
Asheville
has
purview
over
and
the
the
second
one,
maybe
so,
I
I
get
I,
guess
I'm,
just
asking
Is
it
wise
for
us
to
at
least
on
record
when
we
get
public
comment
like
that,
make
some
kind
of
response.
It
seems
to
me
it
would
be.
C
Yeah
I'll
leave
it
up
to
the
discretion
of
of
the
committee
and
that
the
direction
of
the
the
chair
and
vice
chair
is
appropriate.
It's
not
I.
Don't
think
we're
required
to
respond
directly
to
every
point
in
public
comment
sure
but
yeah.
If
that's
something
that
you
want
to
address
or
have
thoughts
about,
then
absolutely
well.
D
E
You
know
that
when
the
it
seems
to
me
that
as
a
public
entity
that
when
public
we
get
public
comment,
we
should
make
a
point
to
respond
to
their
points,
even
if
we
disagree
with
them
or
if
we
think
that
the
applicant
has
addressed
them.
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
putting
out
there
for
the
rest
of
my
fellow
members
to
to
think
about
is
you
know,
I
think
we
should,
and
we
should
be
explicit,
that
we're
addressing
this
issue.
E
E
Could
just
address
there
were
a
couple
design
issues
raised
by
you
know
in
public
comment
here
they
are
and
here's
where,
how
we
think
it's
being
it's
being
hand
or
not
handled
or
it's
relevant
or
not
relevant,
sounds
good.
Okay,.
D
E
And
then
I
also
had
a
kind
of
a
I
mean
that
that
one
down
in
the
river
Arts
is
humongous.
So
it's
got
to
go
through
city
council,
correct.
That's.
E
So
so,
even
though
it's
not
mandatory
compliance
with
us,
because
it's
not
a
hotel,
because
it's
city
council,
they
would
be
very
wise
to
listen
to
what
we
say
correct.
That
is
correct
all
right.
One
last
question
for
you
will
when,
when
we,
when
they
calculate
an
area
of
a
project
like
this
as
to
whether
or
not
it
goes
to
city
council,
does
the
size
of
the
garage
the
parking
garage
go
into
the
building
project
for
that
hundred
thousand
square
foot
rule.
C
So,
typically,
not
if
it's
not
like
occupiable
space,
that's
what.
C
But
outside
the
cvd,
it's
calculated
by
residential
units
or
or
square
footage
right.
So
in
this
case
I
guess
both
congruent.
It's
pretty
it's
pretty
easy
to
get
above
100
units
downtown.
It's
only
based
on
the
square
footage.
So
like
the
acid
and
solar
micro.
Housing
is
200
some
odd
units,
but
it's
not
99
000
square
feet
so
that
doesn't
doesn't
need
to
see
it
doesn't
need
a
CZ.
It's.
E
B
You
go
I'd
like
to
bring
something
up
since
I.
Might
it's
about
the
informal
review
which
in
case
you
guys
leave
I
I've
been
on
Ann
Street
for
20
years
I'm,
not
there
anymore,
but
I
own
two
buildings
on
Ann
Street,
so
I
I
don't
have
to
recuse
myself,
because
I
have
no
financial
interest
in
this
project,
but.
B
My
understanding
of
the
downtown
for
my
time
on
P
and
z
are
a
couple
of
things.
Is
one
I
mean
Ann
Street's,
not
an
alley?
It's
a
street
yeah,
there's
no
pedestrian
connectivity.
They're
treating
this
like
it's
the
back
of
the
property
I
know
from
building
my
current
building
the
river
Arts
District.
They
considered
three
sides
of
my
building
up
front
because
of
the
way
the
road
curved
around
it.
B
That's
the
front
of
the
Ann
Street
and
it
looks
like
you've
built
a
building
on
one
side
and
have
I
don't
buy
the
rule
like
we
can
aggregate
our
openings
on
a
different
street
and
leave
one
other
Street
completely
without
any
pedestrian
connectivity.
That's
one
and
another
question
to
you
guys
would
be
I'm
pretty
sure
we
had
a
Udo
change
where
all
structures
in
CBD
had
to
have
a
minimum
two
stories
of
occupiable
space,
not
just
the
height
but
actually
a
second
story.
That's
occupyable,
oh
yeah,
yeah
yeah.
E
We
did
remember
it:
we,
it
came
up
Jeremy
in
that
hotel
going
right
across
at
the
old
Sheriff's
Office
because
they
had
that
two-story
thing
on
the
on
the
front
of
that,
and
it
wasn't
really
two
stories
right.
B
My
big
concern
is,
you
know,
we're
gonna
have
to
live
with
this
for
the
next
1500
years.
Whatever
my
guess
is,
people
are
trying
to
stay
away
from
Ann
Street,
because
we
have
this
little
Homeward,
Bound
a
hope.
That's
attracting
all
these
people
that
and
all
this
activity
that
is
not
desirable,
but
the
only
way
to
sort
of
counteract
that
is
to
fill
it
with
other
positive
pedestrian
activity
and
connectivity.
C
Yeah
I
haven't
looked
in
a
couple
of
those
points
in
detail.
My
understanding
is
that
the
the
aggregate,
the
activation
requirements
for
ground
floor
uses
can
be
aggregated
between
frontages,
so
I,
don't
think
that's
an
issue
and
I
will
I
will
double
check
about
two
stories.
We
definitely
correct
that
minimum
of
two
occupyable
stories
required
a
mezzanine
level.
It's
not
count,
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
if
it
means
you
know.
C
People
building
that's
at
least
two
on
one
side
and
steps
down
to
one
if
that
counts,
or
if
it
means
that
you
have
to
have
the
code,
isn't
I'm
reading
the
code
now
and
it's
not
super
clear
whether
it
means
all
Street
fromages
have
to
have
two
stories,
but
I
can
definitely
check
with
some
folks.
In
the
meantime,.
A
I
remember
when
after
Community
Theater
was
going
to
do
an
addition
and
they
were
going
to
extend
their
Lobby
and
they're
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
because
it
wasn't
going
to
be
two
stories
so
I
think.
If
we
make
Asheville
Community
Theater
have
to
do
two
stories,
then
a
hotel
has
to
do
some
storage.
E
I
H
Downtown
code
says
something
about
avoiding
prototypes
in
the
design
guidelines.
I
was
looking
through
it,
I,
don't
know
if
the
river
has
the
same,
but
I
thought
that
was
interesting
in
terms
of
avoiding
those
formulaic
buildings.
H
Yeah
they're
building
because
multi-family
in
Charlotte
and
it's
definitely
a
prototype.
G
B
G
G
B
B
It
is
borders
ahope
to
the
South
and
the
Salvation
Army
to
the
north
Yep.
B
E
D
E
A
J
Christina
for
the
the
River
District
I
think
this
falls
in
the
core
River
District,
which
they
have.
They
reference
like
character,
buildings
and
building
facades
in
their
guidelines.
Yeah.
H
I
think
it's
I
could
I
think
it's
actually
right
at
the
edge
of
it's
actually
not
in
the
court.
I,
don't
think
yeah.
It's
just
an
alignment.
H
H
And
I
think
to
that
point,
there's
the
just
the
way
that
this
buildings
surrounding
the
scale
of
them
is
totally
different.
Yeah
I
mean
there's
a
lot
lots
of
points
to
be
made.
B
E
We've
got
to
vote
on
that
right,
yeah,
so
so,
for
the
downtown
commission
are
are
kind
of
thinking.
I,
don't
know
what
you
guys
are
thinking,
but
well.
My
thinking,
at
least,
is
that
this
format
makes
it
easier
for
public
and
out
of
town
consultants
and
everybody
to
persist,
participate
and
until
we
can
provide
a
hybrid
option,
I
mean
I
would
very
much
like
to
get
together
with
you
guys
just
to
talk
goodness.
E
It
would
be
really
nice,
but
you
know
until
we
can
allow
a
hybrid
option,
I
think
I
think
we
should
keep
doing
this
option.
It
would
be
my
two
cents
just
because
it
allows
more
of
the
public.
They
don't
have
to
get
in
a
car
and
drive
and
come
down
and
and
see
these
things
and
they
can't
actually
participate
in
real
time.
This
way,
where
you
know
just
watching
watching
a
recording
later
is
not
quite
the
same.
A
Good
afternoon
I'm
Robin
Raines
and
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
October
20th
2022
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
districts.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process
with
one
exception
and
that's
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
reviews.
Hotels,
taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
this
committee.
A
All
committee
members
are,
and
staff
are
participating,
virtually
I'm
going
to
skip
the
patient's
part.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
City
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen
but
live
by
calling
in
and
the
number
is
855-925-2801
and
enter
code
9410.
A
When
we
get
to
the
public
comment
section,
you
may
dial
this
same
number
and
press
star
three
for
those
of
you
with
us.
Today,
welcome
I
will
now
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
If
you
are
not
speaking
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you
are
done.
A
Committee
members
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
say
a
quick
hello,
Jeremy,
Goldstein,
Vice,
chair.
B
D
D
A
D
A
And
I
am
Robin
Raines
to
help
our
audience.
Follow
along
I'll
stay
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
If
there's
a
vote
to
be
taken,
additionally,
I
ask
that
committee
members
raise
their
hands
to
speak
and
I
will
call
upon
them.
We
will
begin
with
our
administrative
items
and
any
unfinished
business.
First
on
the
administrative
items,
did
everybody
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
minutes
from
the
previous
meeting
foreign.
D
A
I
am
an
eye,
so
the
minutes
are
approved
and
next
on
the
agenda
is
the
remote
meeting
discussion
and
voting
about
that
this.
This
is
where
we,
as
a
committee,
will
vote
to
decide
whether
we
are
going
to
meet
in
person
or
continue
virtually
Stephen
Lee.
G
I
had
a
question
for
staff:
where
would
if
we
meet
in
person
and
when
we
do?
Where
would
we
be
needing.
D
G
So
I
pretty
I
feel
pretty
strongly
about
the
fact
that
there's
a
a
very
different
level
of
exchange
that
it
can
occur
with
the
design
team
when
it's
in
person
online
is
extremely
convenient.
It
saves
us
all
half
an
hour
an
hour
of
time
literally,
but
I
just
feel
like
that.
Being
able
to
talk
face
to
face
point
at
plans
with
other
members
of
this
committee
and
engage
that
way
is
just
really
important.
G
I
know
that
it
sounds
like
I
mean,
certainly
there's
a
way
that
the
either
members
that
are
unable
to
attend
at
the
committee
or
citizens
would
be
able
to
Simply
log
in
the
same
way.
They're
doing
now,
I
would
assume
no.
G
Okay,
well
I
I
just
feel
personally
that
we
need
to
be
meeting
and
present
it's
a
it's
a
game-changing
environment
when
we're
all
there
together,
you
know
design
teams
if
they're
from
out
of
town,
they
need
to
be
in
town
when
we're
meeting
and
I
have
to
go
out
of
town
to
meet
on
out
of
town
projects
and
it
it
changes
the
tone
to
me
with
the
meeting
in
terms
of
the
serious
nature
of
what
it
is
we're
discussing
and
it's
I
think
it's
a
much
more
collaborative
approach
among
the
committee
members
and
I
think
that,
as
always,
the
meeting
is
open
to
the
public.
G
There's
room
in
that
in
that
facility
to
house
the
public
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
more
people
from
the
general
public
that
tend
to
attend
the
downtown
commission
meetings.
But
that's
just
my
thought.
B
I
would
have
to
agree
with
Stephen
Lee,
well,
I,
completely
understand
where
Brian's
coming
from
in
terms
of
convenience
and
maybe
a
different
level
of
accessibility,
I,
think
the
attention
span
of
not
only
the
committee
members,
speaking
for
myself,
as
an
ADHD
person
being
in
person,
I'm
much
more
focused
as
well
as
attention
span
of
you
know,
other
people
to
meeting
the
relationships
both
with
the
applicants,
the
public
and
fellow
committee
members
in
person.
B
There's
there's
no
difference,
I
mean
there's
no
comparison
and
I
also
think
that
you
know
there
should
be
a
certain
level
of
commitment
engagement
to
present.
It
makes
it
almost
too
easy
to
have.
If
you
want
to
have
three
informal
reviews
and
come
on
down,
you
know
it's
easy
just
to
do
it
remotely
and
not
show
up.
I
agree
with
everything.
Stephen
Lee
said.
H
J
Yeah
I
I
hear
what
Stephen,
Lee
and
and
Jeremy
are
saying
and
I.
Think
I've
been
mostly
concerned
about
the
convenience.
All
along
I
haven't
participated
in
one
of
these
boards
or
commissions
other
than
virtually
so
I,
don't
know,
I
don't
have
much
to
compare
it
with,
but
I
I
think
that
there
are
some
good
points
about
the
quality
of
the
review
that
we
should
be
considering
in
addition
to
convenience,
and
then
also
accessibility,
so
but
I
think
prior
to
today's
discussion,
we've
mostly
talked
about
accessibility
and
convenience.
E
So
I
actually
agree
with
Stephen
Lee's
points.
I
would
also
bring
up
that
it
makes
a
lot
easier
to
review
actual
materials
when
we're
when
we're
looking
at
these,
we
used
to
make
them
bring
physical
samples,
and
we
would
again
if
we
were
meeting
in
person
that
said
I
I
into
Christina's
point.
You
know
public
would
be
able
to
watch,
but
they'd
watch
it
after
the
fact
not
in
real
time,
and
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
engage.
E
So
even
though
I
agree
with
Stephen
Lee,
I
I
think
I'd
like
to
keep
the
pressure
on
the
city
to
provide
a
hybrid
option
as
much
as
possible
and
I'm
going
to
respectfully
disagree.
Even
though
I
agree,
if
that
makes
sense,
go
from
there.
H
L
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
point
about
the
remote
that.
G
L
Know
it
it
would
be,
the
public
would
be
able
to
watch
the
meeting,
but
it
would
it
would
be
after
the
fact
it
wouldn't
be.
A
live
stream.
E
We're
gonna
we're
gonna
stay
virtual
for
the
next
year
and
and
again
Stephen
Lee.
A
lot
of
this
is
based
on
the
amount
of
public
involvement
and
I.
Think
you're
right
that
you
know
the
the
DTC
sees
more
public
input
and
and
involvement.
Sometimes,
then,
then,
this
board
has
seemed
to,
and
so
that's
a
that's
a
fair
point
and
I.
Don't
know
how
to
weight
that.
G
C
I'm
not
sure
when
they
adopt
when
city
council
adopted
the
resolution,
they
I
think
made
a
amendment
to
it.
The
night
of
the
meeting
to
continue
to
investigate
hybrid
options.
C
C
Special
meetings
can
be
called
just
as
they
always
can
be,
and
those
meanings
can
be
chosen
to
be
in
person
or
virtual
in
any
case,
but
the
regularly
scheduled
meetings
will
be
one
of
the
other
for
at
least
a
year,
maybe
that
maybe
it
can
be
re-evaluated
in
one
year
and
maybe
there's
a
new
system
in
place
to
change
the
the
way
the
meeting
could
be
run
and
then,
finally,
we
would
need
a
super
majority
of
the
committee
to
vote
to
stay
virtual.
C
J
Jeremy
and
just
one
more
question
about
accessibility:
is
there
how
many
people
participate
live?
Is
there
a
way
for
us
to
know
how
many
people
are
taking
advantage
of
that
access,
because
I
feel
like
access
is
a
really
important
Point
here,
and
so
we
should
also
evaluate
it
based
on
what
it's
actually
providing.
C
It's
hard
to
say:
I,
don't
know
if
caught
my
head,
I
know
like
YouTube
has
a
view,
a
view
counter,
and
maybe
maybe
10
or
20
of
those
views
are
just
for
me
alone
for
running
up
staff
reports.
So
I'm
not
sure
is
discreet,
like
individuals,
viewing
the
video
and
that
kind
of
thing
definitely
don't
know
like
I
have
no
idea.
If
there
are
two
people
or
200
people
streaming
right
now,
YouTube
live
sometimes
after
the
meeting
they'll
tell
you
the
number.
C
Yeah
I
do
not
know
like
last
meeting.
There
were
67
views
on
the
YouTube
page,
doesn't
say
whether
it
was
live
or
recorded,
or
what
so
I'll
I'll
put.
B
C
C
Well,
two-thirds
of
nine
is
six,
so
we
need
six
people
to
vote
to
stay
virtual,
so.
C
D
C
D
J
I,
just
don't
feel
like
I
have
enough
information
to
make
a
vote.
I
mean
if
we're
deciding
to
do
it.
For
so
people
can
participate,
live
stream,
but
we
don't
know
if
anyone
or
how
many
people
are
feels
like
you
know,
I
want
to
cause
a
problem,
but
it
just
feels
like
we
don't
have
the
information
we
need
to
make
a
informed
decision.
Then.
K
A
Okay
is.
K
K
Okay-
and
you
all
can
can
judge
based
on
you
know
the
number
of
public
comments
we've
received
on
the
line
stuff
like
that.
E
Right
does
that
help
Catherine,
maybe
okay,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion.
Let's,
let's
fight
this
out,
move
on
I
moved
that
we
remain
virtual
for
the
the
for
the
year
until
the
city
can
set
up
hybrid
meetings.
A
B
D
A
C
Yeah,
my
understanding
is
that
a
month
from
now
will
be
on
the
first
floor,
North
conference
room
so
we'll
we'll
kind
of
we
have
some
experience
getting
back
to
in-person
meetings
with
Planning
and
Zoning
commissions,
so
I
assume
we'll
kind
of
do
a
similar
set
up
with
folks
who
are
on
the
table.
We'll
have
probably
have
Chromebooks
available
for
folks
to
power
during
the
meeting
to
view
materials,
since
everything
is
still
electronic.
We're
not
going
to
have
paper
plans
in
any
at
any
rate,
going
forward.
A
It's
very
exciting,
very
exciting:
okay,
let's
move
on
to
our
first
formal
design,
review
that
is
46
Aston
Street,
the
Ashton
and
Sawyer
micro
housing
project.
C
All
right,
I
will
share
my
screen
into
a
brief
presentation.
We
have
a
applicant
team
with
us
here
today
as
well
to
answer
any
questions
or
provide
a
presentation
as
necessary.
Foreign.
C
This
is
a
downtown
design
review
for
a
couple
new
buildings
and
a
reuse
of
an
existing
building.
Downtown
46
Aston
Street.
The
property
is
0.64
Acres.
It's
currently
a
surface
parking
lot.
Some
friends
in
the
Moon
okay
is
currently
a
surface
parking
lot
with
a
one-story
system.
C
Former
garage
building,
let's
see
here
in
the
in
the
parcel,
is
kind
of
an
odd
shape
parcel.
There
are
retaining
walls
on
the
back
side
as
it
kind
of
steps
down
towards
soil.
Street
I
can
see
some
of
the
surrounding
uses.
There's
a
they
asked
in
aluminums
to
the
East
Church
to
the
north
and
some
Buncombe
County
administrative
buildings
and
public
parking
garage
as
well
other
entertainment
uses.
C
You
can
see
that
rabbit,
rabbit,
I
believe
so
then
so
the
Southwest
in
the
area
as
well,
so
the
property
Zone
CBD,
it's
it's
outside
in
traditional
downtown
core.
It's
the
property
is
actually
split
between
the
tallest,
tight
Zone
and
the
intermediate
hike
Zone.
Something
does
not
have
any
privileges
on
any
key
pedestrian
streaks.
C
Let's
pick
the
site
plan,
so,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
project
consists
of
two
new
seven-story
buildings
and
on
that
between
the
two
of
them
will
have
231
micro
housing
units.
C
So
essentially,
what
that
is
is
a
it's
not
technically
a
dwelling
unit
according
to
our
Udo,
it's
more
of
a
to
be
considered
more
like
a
dormitory
use,
so
they're
they're
living
spaces
that
do
not
have
a
kitchen,
but
they
have
a
bathroom
and
on
each
floor
of
the
building.
There's
a
communal
kitchen
and
a
lounge
space
as
well,
and
it's
kind
of
a
newer
model
of
housing
to
address
kind
of
the
it's
kind
of
a
market
solution
to
affordable
housing
problems.
C
It's
not
technically,
affordable
housing,
there's
no
guaranteed
income
limits
to
that
kind
of
thing,
but
it's
a
more
a
marketed
and
kind
of
solution
to
help
with
individual
housing
costs.
A
another
approved
project
on
Hilliard
micro
housing
was
approved
recently
that
hasn't
been
built
yet,
but
to
make
them
AC
more
of
these
in
the
future.
C
C
So
no,
no
off-street
parking
is
required
for
residential
abuses
in
the
CBD
and
then
no
off
street
parking
is
provided
with
the
projects.
There
will
be
bicycle
parking
provided,
however,
new
sidewalks
will
be
constructed
along
acid
and
Sawyer
streets
and
there's
a
dumpster
roll
out
off
the
alley.
Just
the
rest
of
the
building,
so
I
should
also
mention.
This
is
a
level
two
project,
so
it
will
not
need
approval
by
city
council.
C
It
will
need
a
ministerial
review
by
planning
zoning
commission,
which
is
scheduled
for
next
month
number
of
seconds,
which
is
basically
more
of
a
Udo
safe
plan
compliance
review.
It's
not
not
legislative,
it's
not
based
on
the
living
actual
comprehensive
plan.
It's
just
kind
of
a
would
be
a
confirmation
that
it
meets
the
the
udl
requirements
for
rebuilding
construction.
And
then
the
review
today
by
by
this
committee,
is
a
a
mandatory
review.
Voluntary
compliance
situation.
C
Here,
overall,
though,
the
siding
the
height
and
massing
meets
the
requirements
of
the
UVO,
as
well
as
The
Pedestrian
entrances
are
provided
along
from
majest,
also,
the
compliance
Administration
and
opening
for
building
facades
in
the
CBD
district,
secure
the
floor
plans
and
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
the
the
unit
unit
layout
for
one
of
the
buildings
and
then
the
combined
kitchen
and
lounge
space.
C
C
You
can
kind
of
see
how
the
slope
plays
into
the
design
of
the
ground
floor
kind
of
a
lower
cap
of
the
building,
and
then
the
set
the
required
set
step
back
at
the
street
Wall
height,
and
then
the
upper
portion
of
the
building
as
the
main
facade
here
that
fronts
on
Aston
Street
and
the
two
Sun
facades
on
here
and
the
other
gear
and
then
kind
of
the
South
elevation,
which
kind
of
fronts
the
interior
of
the
project
more
or
less
the
second
building
smaller
footprint.
C
Overall,
it's
the
same
height
as
the
other
building
at
front
sun
on
Sawyer
Street.
This
is
the
main
elevation
South
in
the
top
Lux
here
main
entrance.
It
was
aluminum
storefront.
The
future
shown
here
as
well
closing
elevation,
North
elevation
of
spaces
kind
of
the
other
other
building
in
the
two
side,
elevations
the
east
of
which
is,
is
limited
about
the
number
of
the
amount
of
openings
due
to
a
fire
separation
standards,
as
as
an
Obama
plans.
C
So
this
this
view
of
building
a
on
Patterson
Street
gives
a
better
sense
of
kind
of
the
design
and
feel
of
the
building,
as
well
as
the
materials
that
you
propose.
You
can
see
a
dark
gray,
brick
vertical
corrugated
metal
panel,
fiber
cement,
siding
a
couple,
different
colors
and
then
the
metal,
canopy
and
aluminum
storefront
features
so
a
few
different
views
of
the
building
different
angles
in
relation
to
the
massing
of
other
buildings
in
the
vicinity.
C
And
then
the
renderings
of
the
Sawyer
Street
Building,
let's
see
if
in
relation
to
the
other
proposed
building
here
and
then
also
the
similar
material
palettes.
This
this
building
also
includes
a
flush
metal
panel
and
then
metal
sun
shades
on
the
those
of
the
units.
C
So
I
won't
go
Point
by
point
for
all
the
requirements,
but
you
know
overall,
the
building
meets
the
majority,
all
the
requirements
of
the
of
the
CBD
district
in
the
in
the
Udo
and
the
majority
of
the
recommendations
as
well,
including
items
related
to
Street
orientation
and
lot
layout
and
hype
and
Madison
the
facade
relationships
and
proportions,
facade
materials
and
administration.
C
So
some
other
guidelines
for
which
the
project
is
not
aligned
or
only
partially
aligned,
include
recommendation
1f
under
facade
relationships
and
proportions
regarding
the
overall
kind
of
Rhythm
of
the
building
to
mimic
traditional
wits
Lots,
especially
at
the
base
portions
of
buildings.
So
some
of
the
kind
of
some
of
these
long
stretches
of
the
building
it's
broken
up,
but
perhaps
not
as
much
as
as
traditional
you
know.
Downtown
Development
is
based
on
some
of
the
existing
fabric.
C
So
that's
that's
the
one
where
the
the
build
project
may
not
be
completely
aligned
with
the
guidelines
Also
regarding
the
required
the
recommendation
for
under
facade
materials
and
pedestration
details
that
suggests
that
authentic
materials
are
encouraged
and
other
simulated
finish
systems
should
not
be
used
so
the
project.
You
know
those
purpose
and
synthetic
Wall,
Systems
and
metal
panels
which
are
are
not
authentic
materials.
C
The
project
also
proposes
horizontal
lab
siding,
which
may
be
considered
an
inappropriate
and
incompatible
material
and
design
for
large-scale
buildings
downtown
the
project
was
reviewed
informally
by
by
this
committee,
a
couple
times
in
July
and
August
overall
comments
regarded
the
opportunity
for
other
Green
Building
Technology,
such
as
a
ring
roof
a
consideration
for
Street
trees
that
that
cast
a
significant
amount
of
shade,
given
a
lot
of
the
kind
of
concrete
and
lack
of
shade
in
the
area
of
the
Heat
and
summertime
at
some
of
the
elevations
appear
flat.
C
Without
a
lot
of
articulation
or
detailing,
and
then
a
suggestion
of
more
changes
in
color
and
texture
on
some
of
the
portions
of
the
building,
the
project
was
also
reviewed
by
the
downtown
Commission
on
October
14th
and
overall,
the
commission
was
supportive
of
projects.
It
talked
about
noted
that
The
Pedestrian
connectivity
between
two
buildings
could
be
improved
kind
of
given
the
kind
of
the
topographical
layout
and
then
the
retaining
walls
there's
not
really
a
direct
path
between
the
two
buildings.
C
So
there's
no
parking
provided
for
this
project,
but
there
is
public
parking
in
the
vicinity
and
also
that
the
balance
of
use
is
within
the
project,
such
as
the
residential
units
and
then
the
renovated
garage
space
could
include
Public
Safety
in
the
area
with
more
activity
and
also
the
comment
that
the
horizontal
left
side
I
think
it's
not
appropriate.
C
Building
material
for
downtown
overall
staff
supports
the
proposed
building
design
of
this
project
and
recommends
approval,
as
the
project
is
mostly
in
alignment
with
requirements
in
alignment
of
all
requirements
and
guidelines,
and
mostly
in
alignment
with
all
the
recommendations
and
the
in
downtown
design
guidelines.
C
M
Speaks
no,
this
is
Cynthia
I'm
from
the
architect's
office,
MPS
and
Brian
couldn't
join
today.
He
had
a
conflict
so
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
or
receive
your
comments
from
the
review.
We'll.
Thank
you
for
the
thorough
review
of
the
project.
A
Thank
you.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
Cynthia
or
will
Stephen
Lee.
G
Thank
you,
I
was
curious.
I
know
that
there's
an
existing
Residential
Building
beside
these
proposed
buildings.
Is
there
a
central
Chiller
system
for
this
building
or
their
individual
HVAC
units
for
each
of
the
units?
I'm.
Just
thinking
about
sound
that
might
come
from
the
building.
M
Our
MEP
engineer
hasn't
fully
reviewed
this,
yet
we're
not
at
that
stage.
So
what
we've
done
on
a
previous
project,
though,
is
we
had
individual
units
in
the
ceilings
of
each
unit,
not
through
wall
units
but
with
I
think
we
noted
on
the
drawings
that
any
any
rooftop
units
that
have
to
go
for
the
to
provide
cold
air
for
the
units
will
be.
You
know
screened
or
you
know
not
in
view
from
the
street,
so
I'm
not
sure
yet
fully.
A
And
it
could
lead
to
some
discussion,
but
we
did
have
one
public
comments
sent
to
us
about
the
height
of
the
building
being
incongruous
with
the
neighborhood,
impacting
the
view
of
corridors
and
have
Shadow
impacts
and
heat
retention
and
worrying
that
the
building
would
seem
higher
than
seven
stories,
because
Sawyer
Street
is
raced
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
Brian.
E
Hi
I
I,
don't
think
the
horizontal
lap
siding
is
an
appropriate
material
for
urban
context.
Like
this,
have
you
considered
other
types
of
siding
for
that
I
mean
and
it's
a
humongous
block
of
both
buildings?
Have
you
considered
other
sightings
I
mean
I'm
the
brick
and
I'm
the
the
I
think
the
brick
and
the
metal
panels
are
are
appropriate
Urban
materials
in
in
context
with
this
design,
but
I,
don't
think
the
horizontal
lap
siding
is.
E
M
M
Don't
think,
we've
considered
at
this
point
to
change
that,
although
we
are
trying
to
elevate
that
material
from
the
street
so
they're
only
on
the
upper
floors
and
also
we're
trying
to
make
it
a
little
more
interesting
just
than
just
a
blank
wall
of
flop,
sighting
trying
to
change
some
colors
and
trying
to
create
a
grid,
sometimes
on
on
those
facets
where
it
does
use
lab
citing,
but
changing
them
to
a
different
type
of
material
together,
hasn't
been
considered.
Yet
for
us.
E
But,
but
it's
not
just
the
interest
in
the
material
or
the
block
of
the
material.
It's
that
that
lap
siding
is
typically
a
a
residential
Suburban
rural
type
of
material,
and
this
is
a
deeply
Urban
project
and
it's
just
not
a
it's.
Just,
not
a
suitable
material
for
downtown.
M
B
I
was
muted,
I
may
be
wrong
about
this,
but
doesn't
the
building
at
the
corner
of
Hilliard
and
patton,
which
is
also
downtown,
have
lap
starting.
B
E
From
yeah,
no
so
so
that
was
also
voluntary
or
mandatory
review.
Voluntary
compliance,
I
yelled
about
it,
Jane
yelled
about
it
I
think
we
even
put
it
in
as
a
condition
and
they
went
yeah
and
we're
doing
it
anyway.
That's
my
recollection,
I'm
happy
to
be
wrong,
but
I
know
I
yelled
about
it.
G
Think
regarding
Brian's
comment
on
the
siding
Jeremy
at
that
building
is
also
kind
of
a
Gateway
for
a
neighborhood
and
yeah
I
moved
I
mean
I
think
in
the
same
building
the
one
beside
the
tennis
courts,
yeah.
G
But
this
one
is,
like
you
know,
in
the
heart
of
a
very
urban
area,
surrounded
by
buildings
that
don't
have
any
type
of
residential
scale,
so
I
think
that
it's
a
really
good
comment
that
Brian
and
Robin
have
brought
up
on
this.
That
I
know
we're
all
in
favor
of
trying
to
get
an
affordable
product
out
there,
but
this
is
also
something
that
people
nearby
you
know
they've
invested
in
and
everybody
kind
of
deserves
to
have
a
building.
That's
feels
appropriate
for
the
space
in
terms
of
materials
thanks.
E
I
was
just
going
to
say
real
quickly
to
there
was
one
I
can't
remember
now,
which
set
of
comments
I'm
responding
to
it
might
have
been
the
public
comment,
or
maybe
even
in
Wills,
talking
about
the
basically
the
grain,
the
repeating
pattern
that
this
has
a
little
bit,
you
know
longer
blocks
of
organization
and
I-
think
that's
actually
appropriate
for
this
part
of
town.
If
you
go
on
down
the
street,
you've
got
the
Sawyer
building.
E
In
this
context,
especially,
you
know
it's
right
across
from
Buncombe
County
building,
there's
a
couple
of
buildings
in
that
area
that
have
that
kind
of
long
Gestalt
to
the
block,
so
I,
just
I
just
want
to
do
say
that
I
do
think.
The
building
organization
is
appropriate
for
this
context
of
downtown
just
lose
the
horizontal
siding
do
something
more
like
they
did
on
that
little
apartment
thing
on
the
back
of
the
Aloft,
something
like
that.
E
Chair
I'll
I'll:
do
it
okay,
give
me
one
second
to
get
to
my
cheat
sheet
there
we
go
Cherry
rains
I,
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
Aston
and
Sawyer
micro
housing
project
as
presented
based
on
site
plans,
elevations
and
materials
submitted,
and
discussions
heard
during
this
review,
and
we
find
that
the
project
meets
the
intent
of
the
downtown
design
guidelines,
subject
to
the
condition
that
the
applicant
provide
a
suitable
alternate
material
to
the
horizontal
lap,
siding.
A
Thank
you,
Stephen
Lee,
okay,
we'll
take
a
vote.
Now
that
is
Jeremy.
B
D
D
C
C
The
staff
report
can
also
have
folks
from
the
development
team
with
us
here
today,
so
this
property
was
approved
for
a
conditional
zoning
back
in
2017
I
believe
for
around
100
or
150
residential
units.
The
project
has
since
been
been
redesigned
in
a
new
proposal
with
a
different
site
plan
is
being
proposed
here,
which
consists
of
a
new
building.
That
would
be
six
stories
with
263
residential
units
about
5,
000
square,
feet
of
retail
and
artist,
studio,
space
and
367
structured
parking
spaces.
C
C
Essentially,
the
projects
will
be
changing
the
zoning
from
the
existing
mixed
use,
expansion,
District,
which
which
no
longer
exists
in
our
Udo
to
the
commercial
expansion
districts.
But
then
the
the
rad
River
form
code
is
kind
of
a
controlling
design
standards,
as
as
specified
for
things
like
site,
sighting
and
height
and
massing,
and
that
type
of
thing.
C
So
here's
the
overall
layout
of
the
site.
You
can
see
it's
kind
of
at
the
corner
of
Lyman
Street
and
Lyman
Street,
which
is
a
bit
confusing.
So
I
refer
to
alignment
Street,
West
and
Monument
Street
North
in
the
staff
report,
Norfolk
Southern
Railroad
to
the
to
the
east.
C
You
can
see
this
is
the
main
parking
level
and
then
the
lobby
and
then
the
retail
and
artist
studio
spaces
around
the
north
elevation.
C
Just
go
to
the
well:
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
requirements
for
Street
trees,
as
provided
along
both
Lima
streets,
as
shown,
as
shown
here,
consists
of
a
total
of
20
sorry
16
Street
trees,
which
are
proposed
to
be
a
fruitless
sweetgums,
and
then
the
parking
garage
screening
around
the
sides
of
the
building,
which
consists
of
a
total
of
27
trees
and
54
shrubs,
there's
also
the
true
canopy
preservation
standards,
which
I
believe
are
met
through
a
combination
of
new
plantings
and
entertainments.
C
Let's
go
go
to
the
architectural
plans,
so
the
first
you
know
couple
levels
of
the
garage
and
the
retail
and
Studio
spaces,
and
then
the
residential
units
begin
on
the
second
floor.
C
Continue,
you
start
to
see
some
of
these
rooftop
Courtyard
features
shown
in
the
center
of
the
building
and
this
kind
of
donut
and
then
also
on
the
west
elevation,
where
a
pool
deck
is
proposed.
C
Perhaps
that
was
a
typical,
typical
floor
plane.
So
here
are
the
elevation
drawings
of
the
building.
C
So
essentially
the
the
front
main
elevation
was
shown
in
the
middle
of
this
west
elevation.
You
can
see
some
of
the
different
elements
that
run
through
the
building.
A
kind
of
Courtyard
is
proposed
at
the
corner
of
lineman
streets
where
the
traffic
circle
currently
is.
You
can
see
the
inset
smaller
Courtyard
here,
which
faces
lineman,
Street,
West
kind
of
the
organization,
the
building
with
with
the
kind
of
Podium
garage
spacing
and
then
the
kind
of
residential
units
above
this
is
the
East
Elevation.
C
So
this
will
be
facing
kind
of
the
railroad
tracks
and
as
you're
driving
West
as
you're
driving
West
on
Monument
Street
north
towards
the
traffic
around
about
this
is
what
you
would
see
on
that
side.
C
Sorry
this
is
the
the
north
elevation
shown
here,
so
you
get
a
sense
of
the
storefronts
and
artist
Studios
with
the
the
flood
control
measures.
One
thing
to
mention
is
that
you
know
the
the
property
is
in
a
flood
Plains.
C
So
a
lot
of
the
design
of
the
building
is
kind
of
driven
by
that
reality,
and
so
that
kind
of
influences
the
layout
of
the
residential
units
about
the
flood
elevation
level
and
then
some
of
the
mitigating
factors
like
the
collect
control
Gates
that
are
that
are
going
to
be
proposed
as
part
of
the
building
foreign.
C
Shown
here
as
well,
the
courtyard
elevation-
so
this
is
the
the
courtyard
that
would
be
on
Lyman
Street,
West
kind
of
we'll
carve
out
in
the
space
where
the
pool
deck
would
be,
gives
you
a
little
more
sense
of
kind
of
a
layout
and
arrangement
to
those
elevations
with
the
balconies
and
residential
units,
and
then
these
elevations
of
Courtyard
2,
which
is
that
interior
Center
Courtyard
kind
of
a
similar,
similar
elevations
of
the
upper
Flores
stories
which
are
about
the
parking
garage
and
that
if
there
are
more
detailed
zoomed
in
elevations
too
that
that
are
available-
and
you
know
one
thing
that
the
the
project
is
also
trying
to
do-
is
create
this
kind
of
Plaza
space
at
the
corner
of
the
building
to
provide
kind
of
a
public
private
interaction
with
the
street
to
engage
it
a
little
bit
more.
C
They
have
submitted
a
few
different
potential
designs
of
that
space.
Some
of
the
typical
elements
include
areas
for
seating,
storm
water
features
like
a
rain
garden
and
bios
whale
that
are
kind
of
based
on
some
some
other
examples
from
from
the
from
the
area.
This
is
concept
number
number
one,
with
kind
of
a
rain
Garden
in
the
center
of
the
site
concept.
Two
that
has
a
larger
bioscale
feature
along
the
curb
line,
thanks
constant
three,
which
is
a
little
more
hard
Skates
with
a
combined
bio
square
and
green
garden.
C
We
also
just
received
today
a
couple
hours
before
meeting
these
renderings
of
a
little
closer
in
of
what
that
Plaza
could
look
like
I,
believe,
mostly
based
on
concept
number
one
that
has
the
rain
garden
with
The
Walking
path
through
the
center
gives
you
a
sense
of
how
the
plaza
would
interact
with
the
proposed
building
as
well.
C
There's
also
renderings
of
the
building.
Let's
see
now,
let's
see
this
is
kind
of
the
view
of
the
northern
elevation
of
the
building.
Looking
at
the
proposed
artist
studio
spaces
on
top
here
and
then
more
of
a
bird's
eye
view
looking
across
from
the
river
looking
East
at
that
kind
of
Center,
Courtyard
future.
C
And
then
a
similar
a
little
more
updated
computer
render
view
of
that
same
view
showing
how
to
have
a
building,
interacts
and
fronts
on
the
river
and
fronts
on
that
traffic
around
with
the
Falls
of
the
feature
as
well,
and
then
this
is
that
view
as
looking
West
if
you're
traveling
down
Monument
Street
the
northern
section
of
it
and
going
west,
and
it
really
attracts
you
in
the
foregrounds
here.
C
C
Overall,
the
project
was
evaluated
against
the
requirements
and
both
the
commercial
expansion
and
rad
River
zoning
districts,
which
the
project
mostly
meets.
There
will
be
some
technical
modifications
needed
through
the
conditional
zoning
process,
such
as
for
the
overall
height
of
the
building,
which
is
a
little
bit
above.
What
is
allowed
in
the
rad
River
districts
project
was
also
reviewed
against
the
the
River
District
design
review
guidelines,
specifically
the
Lyman
Street
Design
District.
C
Overall,
the
project
does
does
meet.
C
C
One
thing
to
note
is
access
to
the
building
is
after
that,
per
se
plan
is
off
of
kind
of
two
sides
of
lineman
street,
so
you
have
a
northern
access
point
and
a
western
access
point
and
then
access
to
the
south
of
that
garage
access
driveway
is
a
loading
area
for
moving
loading
and
then
trash
and
recycling
pickup
as
well.
C
So
this
project
was
reviewed
by
the
Asheville
area,
Riverfront
Redevelopment
Commission,
on
October
13th.
Overall,
the
question
was
very
supportive
of
the
project.
We
discussed
a
few
numbers,
a
number
of
items
with
the
applicant,
including
the
suggestion
of
more
electrical
Eagle
charging
stations
in
the
parking
garage
which
will
be
able
to
expanded
according
to
the
applicant
that
they
will
have
sufficient
electrical
infrastructure
for
the
building
with
more
charging
stations
are
needed.
C
The
fact
that
the
African
has
been
engaging
with
the
surrounding
community
and
dialoguing
with
folks
such
as
Black
Wall
Street
about
potential
tenants
for
the
retail
and
artist
spaces,
some
of
the
Innovative
storm
water
mitigation
techniques
proposed
and
then
the
potential
for
any
new
or
enhanced
bus
stops
in
the
area,
depending
at
Future
Transit
routes
that
there
are
a
couple
couple
new
projects
coming
online
in
this
area,
the
riverfront
of
the
rad,
and
while
there
are
no
bus,
stop
no
bus
routes
online.
C
The
street
currently
I
believe
the
understanding
was
that
the
applicant
would
be
you
know
interested
in
either
allowing
space
or
helping
with
the
design
or
something
of
that
of
a
new
bus.
Stop
should
should
the
echo
get
routed
on
through
this
descending
overall
staff
supports
the
proposed
building
design
of
the
Whitfield
stone
yard
project
and
reference
approval,
as
the
project
was
in
alignment
with
required
with
the
requirements
and
consent
of
the
guidelines
for
the
following
reasons.
The
design
and
materials
used
in
the
building
are
generally
in
keeping
of
character.
C
Buildings
within
the
lineman
Street
Design,
District
site
plan
places
the
building
appropriately
and
provides
connectivity
for
pedestrians
and
vehicles,
and
also
that
service
loading
and
dumpster
access
is
discreetly
located
within
the
parking
garage.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
Without
answering
any
questions
and
like
I
said,
we
also
have
on
the
project
team
with
us
here
today
as
well.
E
Right
will
on
it's
in
floor
plans,
elevations
and
renderings
in
our
site
materials,
a
5.830
there's,
a
set
of
of
looks,
like
you
know,
hand,
colored,
renderings,
and
then
the
next
page
is
kind
of
like
a
in
the
the
details
between
that
set
of
hand.
Colored
renderings
and
the
details
in
the
3D
model
are
different,
for
example,
in
the
bottom,
rendering
the
north
perspective
from
around
about
you
have
the
little
arched
opening
in
that
brick
piece
facing
the
plaza.
E
You've
got
a
lot
of
kind
of
Warehouse,
looking
windows
in
the
in
the
podium
piece
and
it
looked
like
it
was
picking
up
more
of
the
brick
details
and
more
the
kind
of
contextual
stuff
in
the
in
the
district,
whereas
in
the
actual
one
on
the
next
page,
the
a5.831.
E
You
know
all
that's
gone,
it's
just
gone
and
so,
which
one
are
we
reviewing,
because
I
would
much
rather
review
the
hand
drawn
that's
a
much
better
design
and
again,
which
one
are
we
reviewing?
Why
was
that
included?.
C
Yeah
I
think
the
the
previous
rendering
was
an
earlier
version
and
then
this
one
they're
looking
at
right
now,
computerized
rendering
is
more
closely
reflecting
of
the
cemented
elevation.
So
I'd
refer
back
to
the
elevations,
the
renderings
are
useful,
but
the
elevations
are
what
would
be
codified
and
included
in
any
ordinance
for
conditional
zoning
and
and
this
rendering
corresponds
with
with
those
elevations.
G
I
think
that
the
slide
that
we're
looking
at
is
very
important
and
I
know
that
the
development
team
is
considered
this
hopefully,
but
you
know
right
across
the
street-
is
the
French
Broad
River,
the
the
enhancements
that
have
been
shown
in
these
options,
for
the
stone
yard,
Plaza
I
think
a
really
exciting
and
I'm
sure
they'll
choose
one
of
those
that
that
works.
G
The
best
I
think
that
I
mean
just
for
me:
I'm,
not
sure
that
you
know
that's
a
gesture
of
sustainability,
but
are
there
any
other
elements
on
this
site
that
are
kind
of
recognizing
the
fact
that
they're
right
across
from
the
river
and
talk
about
impact
they
could
have
some
amazing
impact?
I
think
that's
my
biggest
concern.
Architecturally
we've
got
great
Architects
on
this
team,
so
I'm
sure
they've
got
concerns
about.
E
G
Yeah
I
think
I'm
gonna,
let
let's
see
Kate's
got
her
Kate
I'm
gonna
assume
you're
going
to
be
talking
about.
Maybe
what
I
was
just
mentioning
but
I,
just
let's
not
lose
the
fact
that
we're
seeing
a
rain
Garden,
but
it's
just
one
rain
garden
and
you
know
I
was
looking
at
the
the
storm
water.
The
the
SEPTA
I
mean
the
storm
water
plans
and
it
does
look
like
there's
a
good
bit
of
water
going
in
those.
But
you
know
how
much
of
this
existing
site
is
impervious.
G
How
much
is
permeable
today
and
if
you
look
at
the
you
know
the
plan
view
of
what's
about
to
happen.
It's
all
going
to
be.
You
know,
impervious.
J
Yeah,
so
I
would
just
follow
up
I
think
in
the
beginning
or
pre-development
it's
25
impervious
and
post
development
85.
So
this
is,
you
know,
Urban,
Development
and
so
I
think
what's
important
down
here,
but
across
Asheville
is
is
storm
water.
We
know
that
French
Broad
was
just
portions
of
it
were
just
listed
as
an
impaired
Waterway.
This
project
is
taking
advantage
of
the
French
Broad
because
it
has
beautiful
views
and
so
thinking
about
it
as
an
amenity.
J
So
we
need
to
take
care
of
it,
and
so
one
thing
I
was
really
excited
about.
Seeing
was
The
Green,
Storm
water
infrastructure
proposed
in
that
Plaza
and
I.
Think
I
saw
a
rain
garden
and
a
bios
whale
and
just
really
encourage
to
maximize
the
greenstorm
water
infrastructure.
That's
possible
on
this
project
and
for
it
not
to
be,
you
know,
presented
conceptually
and
then
later
down
the
road
just
turned
into
a
regular
Plaza.
J
This
is
really
really
important.
Development
and
urbanization,
and
just
more
impervious
surface,
is
a
direct
cause
of
impairments
to
the
French
fraud,
and
this
sits
right
on
the
banks
and
just
a
really
great
opportunity.
I,
like
the
precedent,
images
that
were
accompanying
the
plaza
designs
so
great
opportunity.
We
need
as
much
of
this
as
possible,
and
so
then
I
would
just
follow
up
with
wondering.
J
Are
those
rain,
Gardens
and
bios
Bells
proposed
to
just
collect
water
in
that
little
Plaza
area
is
any
of
the
water
from
the
building
or
down?
You
know
further
up
the
sidewalk
being
collected
into
that
rain,
Garden,
so
starting
to
think
about
how
we
can
maximize
the
amount
of
storm
water
that
is
treated
before
it
goes
into
the
French
Broad.
N
Sure
can
I
can
I
can
speak
to
a
little
bit
of
all
that
and
will
always
does
such
a
great
job
of
kind
of
giving
a
project
overview,
but
I
figured
I
would
just
touch
on
a
few
things
which
I
think
or
does
that
exactly
related
to
some
of
the
things
we've
already
heard
so
Warren
sucks,
simple
Design,
Concepts
I've
also
got
Brian
Schick
who's,
the
owner
developer
on
it
he's
also
familiar
with
the
area
he's
the
the
developer
on
Woodfield
River
Arts,
which
was
Once
Upon
a
Time
called
radloff's
just
for
everybody's
wrap
around
so
he's
intimately
involved
with
the
river
area
he's
investing
in
it.
N
This
is
his
next
project
also
got
Chad
and
Lisa
with
architecture
there
with
yeah
I,
just
couldn't
spit
it
out
fast
enough,
and
then
Nick
is
our
landscape
architect,
with
Seaman
Whiteside
and
and
some
of
the
things
you've
already
touched
on
with
the
the
plaza
area.
Is
you
know,
Nick's
putting
together
and
it
came
honestly
from
a
meeting
we
had
on
site
Brian's
done
a
great
job
of
of
interacting
with
the
local
stakeholders
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
heard
out.
N
There
was
that
that
public
private
area
needed
to
to
really
be
a
storm
water
area,
as
well
as
something
to
draw
people
in.
So
you
know
Catherine
to
your
point
and
a
little
bit
to
Stephen
Lee's
as
well.
It's
it's
certainly
on
the
plans.
It's
not
going
to
just
become
some
Hardscape
area.
N
That's
not
the
intent,
never
was
and
I
think
having
the
flexibility
to
make
it
the
best
thing
it
can
be
I
think
there
there's
some
opportunity
to
have
rain
Gardens
there,
bio
swells,
an
education
piece,
but
also
an
actual
usable
piece.
It
is
somewhat
limited
and
probably
the
the
area
that
can
come
to
it.
I
think
right.
Now,
the
the
face
of
the
buildings
that
all
sort
of
connect
to
it
likely
can
come
to
it
as
well
as
the
you
know,
the
sidewalks
and
hardscapes
around
it.
N
It
may
be
a
bit
challenging
to
get
some
of
the
other
roof
lines
all
the
way
to
it.
That's
that's
the
hints.
The
reason
why
we
do
have
the
storm
Tech
inside
the
building-
and
you
know
just
speaking
frankly
that
area
wouldn't
be
nearly
large
enough
to
to
deal
with
that.
A
large
amount
of
storm
water,
so
we
do
need
multiple
different
things.
N
To
do
that,
we
do
obviously
expect
Street
trees
along
this
area,
and
we
do
have
a
couple
of
those
green
areas
that
y'all
saw
in
some
of
the
the
the
third
and
fourth
floors.
Where
we'll
have
some
some
green
features,
we'll
have
some
some
areas
where
people
can
go
and
hang
out
at
a
residence,
but
one
of
the
major
stormwater
components
here
is
is
obviously
we're
in
the
floodway
and
flood
plain,
and
that
being
said,
that
that's
the
reason
the
it
pulls
to
the
building
height.
N
We
have
to
have
this
building
be
occupiable
space,
two
two
feet
above
base
flood
elevation
and
a
little
bit
of
a
wrap
around
is.
There
was
just
recently
a
study
and
the
base
flood
elevation.
All
throughout
this
area
is
actually
raised.
It's
not
even
been
fully
I,
think
adopted,
but
I've
had
maybe
five
or
six
different
conversations
with
Nancy
to
get
what
those
numbers
are
going
to
be,
because
we
want
to
be
proactive
in
having
our
finished
floor
where
it
needs
to
be,
and.
N
Where
that
first
level
of
of
Drive-In
parking
is
going
to
be
where
the
second
level
is
where
your
different
spaces
can
be
talking
on
that
Pro
on
the
parking
side
of
it
yeah,
we
have,
you
know
well
over
300
spaces
of
total
parking,
but
the
the
really
cool
thing
about
this
is
you
know,
80-ish
number
you
know
80
some
of
those
will
be
public
parking.
We
won't
need
those
for
the
residents
and
I
think
down
in
the
river
area.
That's
probably
a
much
needed
item,
especially
with
the
activation.
That's
happening.
N
You
know
in
all
kinds
of
different
areas.
Here,
there's
certainly
some
parking
back
there
along
the
railroad
in
the
gravel
areas,
but
this
will
be
a
really
nice
formalized
parking
area
that
that
we're
expecting
the
public
to
be
able
to
use.
It
is
an
infill
project.
It
was
once
upon
a
time
a
built
site.
It
has
a
you
know,
approval
on
it
from
a
few
years
ago,
Lisa
and
others
are
going
to
speak
to
you
about
some
of
the
buildings
that
were
taken
down
and
how
we're
going
to
reuse
some
of
that
material.
N
But
we're
really
excited
about
this
building
in
that
aspect,
obviously,
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
with
neighbors
myself,
Lisa
Chad
Brian.
It's
been
an
ongoing
dialogue
even
to
the
point
of
having
the
the
aarrc
meeting
last
week,
where
we
got
really
good
positive
feedback
and
excitement
for
the
project
and
those
are
you
know,
a
lot
of
the
major
stakeholders
in
the
area.
Just
a
couple
other
things
and
then
I
promise
I'll
be
quiet.
N
You
know
we
do
have
a
major
railroad
back
there
that
has
a
right-of-way
and
there's
a
lot
of
applications
that
come
with
that.
So
you
know
the
project
has
a
lot
of
things.
It's
dealing
with.
It's
got
the
flood
plain.
It's
got
the
railroad,
it's
brownsfield,
it's
trying
to
be.
N
You
know
very
respectful
of
the
area
that
it's
in
having
those
stakeholders
to
sort
of
play
into
it.
Like
we
said
or
like
we
heard
earlier,
the
aarc
meeting
you
heard
about
a
bus,
stop
Brian's
committed
to
that
he's.
He's
got
two
projects
that
are
going
to
be
in
this
area,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
other
things
that
are
happening
in
that
area.
I
think
it
makes
sense,
so
I
think
we're
very
excited
about
it.
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
on
the
on
the
site.
A
Thanks
Warren
Brian,
hey.
E
Warren
on
the
west
side
of
the
site,
it
looks
like
there's
a
significant
green
space
with
plantings
between
the
building
and
the
proposed
sidewalk
between
the
building
and
Lyman
Street
I
know
that
the
the
storm
Tech
is
under
the
building
and
then
the
the
storm
goes
through
there.
But
have
you
looked
at
using
utilizing
that
part
of
the
site
as
additional
rain?
Garden
storm
water
quality,
quantity
control
area.
N
Potentially,
there's
there
is
a
little
bit
of
space
there,
but
we
have
utilities
that
are
in
that
area,
both
overhead
and
below
ground.
There's
also
I
should
have
mentioned
this
earlier,
there's
currently
a
pipe
that
just
dumps
from
the
railroad
area
onto
our
site
and
then
the
pipe
that
basically
in
that
same
area
picks
it
back
up
we're
going
to
have
to
reroute
that
pipe
around
bypass
that,
because
that
would
over
challenge
any
any
kind
of
storm
water.
N
We
could
do
here
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
are
happening
there.
At
one
point,
we
thought
we're
going
to
have
our
water
meter
and
rpz
over
there,
but
in
talks
which
have
Pierce,
he
definitely
wanted
that
as
far
away
from
the
flood
way
as
we
could
get.
So
we
move
that
to
the
north
east,
most
Corner.
Sorry
I
had
to
use
my
hand
there
to
do
my
directions,
so
yeah
I
mean
we're
looking
at
that
area.
N
It's
it's
also
the
one
of
the
major
points
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
the
parking
deck,
and
it
is
our
our
garbage
and
loading
area.
J
Catherine
yeah
I'm,
just
gonna
jump
in
because
I
can't
help
myself
so
in
urban
developments.
We
have
a
lot
of
space
at
grade
to
treat
stormwater
because
we
want
to
maximize
Footprints.
We
want
to
house
a
lot
of
people,
we
want
to
have
pedestrian
areas,
and
so
I
have
worked
on
projects
where
The
Green
Roof,
which
a
green
roof
is.
The
first
line,
is
storm
water
capture
in
urban
developments.
J
It
doesn't
make
sense
in
Suburban
developments,
but
in
urban
areas
it
can
contribute
significantly
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
explored
that
option,
because
we've
worked
on
projects
where
that
ended
up,
reducing
or
eliminating
the
need
for
underground
storm
water
capture
and
containment,
which
ended
up
saving
the
client
money
down
the
road
so
just
wanted
to
see
if
that
was
also
explore,
because
we
have
just
a
little
limiter
around
this
building.
N
Yeah,
you
started
to
break
up
a
little
bit
there
at
the
end,
but
I
think
I
caught
most
everything,
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
nothing
is
completely
off
the
table,
we're
exploring
all
kinds
of
different
ideas,
we're
really
excited
about
what
we
do
have
and
I
do
think
some
of
those
those
Pub
or
those
residential
spaces
that
are
outdoor
above
above
the
second
and
third
levels
are
great
opportunities
for
us
to
have
planners.
N
Maybe
some
green
roof
areas
and
we
don't
know
exactly
what
it
is
yet,
but
we
do
know
we
want
to
go
above
and
beyond,
and
hence
that's
the
reason
why
the
the
image
we're
looking
at
right
now
is.
Is
you
know
the
first
step
in
that.
A
I
I
agree
with
Brian
that
those
hand
drawings
have
something
that
these
computer
renderings
don't
and
to
me-
and
this
is
my
opinion-
the
river
Arts
District
is
quirky
and
rough
and
tumbled
and
old
and
I-
don't
I.
Don't
get
a
lot
of
that
feeling
from
these
newer,
renderings
and
I
wish
that
there
was
some
way
to
incorporate
some
of
this
patina.
If
you
will
into
this
new
design.
O
Hey
everybody:
this
is
Lisa
I'm
with
housing,
Studio
and
I.
Just
would
like
to
just
maybe
walk
you
through
some
of
the
some
of
the
elements
and
the
pieces
and
components
that
we've
pulled
together
and
I
agree
the
hand
renderings
really
do
give
a
richness
and
an
intent,
and
they
show
color
where
this
rendering
I
think
the
trees
are
blocking
some
of
what
we're
trying
to
to
achieve,
especially
at
a
pedestrian
level
and
where
people
will
be
moving
in
and
around
this
building
and
engaging
with
the
intent
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
O
So
let
me
just
start
with
that.
It
was
referenced
earlier
that
wall
the
brick
element
and
that
the
earlier
conceptual
renderings
had
that
what
was
the
old
colonized
building
that
elevation
and
still
intact,
and
we
were
going
to
try
to
maintain
or
Salvage
that
elevation,
but
of
course
structurally,
it
just
wasn't
sound
enough.
O
What
we
are
doing,
though,
is
coming
back
into
that
and,
as
part
of
this
connection
between
the
infrastructure,
the
radtip
across
you
know
this
whole
Green
Space,
the
river
itself
and
the
neighborhood
we're
connecting
back
to
that
with
this
Courtyard
and
reusing
the
brick
that
we've
salvaged
from
that
colonized
building
and
we're
coming
back
in
a
way
and
doing
something
a
little
bit
more
modern
as
an
homage
and
a
connection
between
this
new
building
and
what
was
old.
And
so
that's
why
you
see
it
a
little
bit
differently
and
you
know
an
original
idea.
O
We
were
like
no
we're
just
we'll
try
to
we'll
try
to
shore
up
that
facade
as
it
was,
but
we
were
not
successful,
but
we
did,
you
know,
come
in
and
tie
an
elevated
deck
that
is
part
of
our
co-working
in
this
building
and
then
looks
out
over
this
Courtyard
and
then
has
a
view
again.
So
it's
like
all
these
layers
of
views
and
connection
that
we're
trying
to
weave
you
know
the
old
and
the
new.
O
We
did
pull
back
on
the
amount
of
weathered
steel
that
we
were
having,
because
we
wanted
to
do
it
in
a
in
a
meaningful
way,
and
so
we
have
this
large
weathered
steel
component.
But
if
you
look
at
the
elevations
along
the
west
side
of
this
building
that
are
below
the
courtyard,
we
have
opportunity-
and
this
is
something
that
we've
worked
really
closely
with
the
the
neighbors,
the
artists
and
neighbors
that
we're
moving
in
next
to
so.
If
you
write
there,
so
there
are
several
panels
that
that
serve
a
couple
of
purposes
here.
O
I
just
show
them,
as
you
know,
sort
of
a
graphic
representation
of
what
we
could
have,
but
the
opportunity
is
in
place
to
have
actual
artists
plasma,
cut
steel
panels
here
that
tie
back
to
the
intent
or
the
attitude
of
the
river
Arts
District
and
also
serve
as
our
flood
mitigation.
O
So
we
have
sort
of
a
a
responsibility
to
have
the
capability
of
having
water
flow
in
and
out
at
this
location,
but
we're
trying
to
do
it
in
an
Artful
way,
and
so
we
will
be
commissioning
panels
and
pieces
that
fill
in
that
space
that
relate
to
that
large
vertical
element.
And
then
we
have
weathering
steel.
That.
D
O
There's
also
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
did
not
miss
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
and
that
is
having
local
mural
artists
engage
with
this
project
as
well.
We
have
that
elevation,
that's
along
the
rail
line,
and
you
know
otherwise
it's
just
sort
of
a
there's,
a
blank
canvas
if
you
will
on
that
on
that
elevation.
So
if
you
go
to
the
East
Elevation.
O
And
there's
a
corner:
that's
right!
At
the
street
there
you
go
that
big
wall
that
just
has
a
nice
big
line
of
Windows.
There's
enough
space
there
to
have
a
beautiful
mural
along
that
or
over
that
entire
corner,
and
that
recess
is
back.
And
then
you
have
another
stair
that
you
see
sort
of
framing
that
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
computer,
rendering
elevation
of
that
as
the
cars
are
moving
past,
that
the
first
thing
they
would
see
when
they,
you
know,
come
around
the
corner.
O
That
elevation
that
just
shows
dark,
brick
and
dark
fiber
cement
panel
currently
will
be
enlivened
with
with
art
from
someone
who's
in
the
area.
O
A
F
Yeah
I
have
a
question
regarding
the
pierced
weather,
steel
art.
Would
that
be
local
artists
as
well?
Yes,.
O
That's
the
intent
is
to
have
I
think
every
bit
of
art
that
we
engage
or
put
into
or
onto
this
building
that
it
is
either
directly
from
the
Rivers
art,
district
or
very
close
proximity.
A
G
Lisa,
as
you
can
tell
this,
this
group
volunteer
group
we're
we're
really
passionate
about
new
projects,
especially
important
new
projects
like
this
one
coming
online,
and
we
really
appreciate
your
your
thorough
description
of
the
site,
especially
some
of
the
things
that
are
kind
of
still
in
formation,
and
it
helps
a
lot.
G
You
know
we're
all
local
and
we
all
most
of
us
live
really
close
to.
You
know
where
this
structure
is
or
we
go
by
it
almost
every
day
and-
and
we've
mentioned
the
river
earlier
and
I
just
can't
help,
but
bring
up
the
subject
again
about
what
was
mentioned
earlier
with
a
green
roof
system.
G
Have
has
your
firm
ever
had
a
green
roof
on
a
project
or
have
you
all
considered
the
benefits
of
green
roof
system
on
this
on
this
building
and
the
potential
cost
savings
for
your
client
yeah.
O
Well,
I
can
answer
to
one
of
those
we
have
considered
the
green
roof
on
this
particular
project
and
but
you
know
not
there's
portions
of
this
that
will
have
plantings
and
green
area
and,
and
those
will
be
those
elevated
Courtyards
for
sure
we'll
have
that,
because
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
surface
there,
that
will
be
collecting
water
and
one
of
those
opportunities
there
is.
You
know,
in
a
way
of
mitigating
that
amount
of
runoff
is
a
coarse
green
surface,
so
that
is
definitely
under
consideration.
G
We've
got
we've,
we've
got
some
successful
several
now,
actually
in
the
Asheville
area,
Greenway
projects
and
I
think
without
exception.
The
developers
that
have
decided
to
install
them
have
realized
benefits,
Beyond,
just
the
obvious,
the
the
public
perception
of
these
buildings
that
are
able
to
incorporate
them.
It's
really
really
huge
and
I.
G
Don't
is
I,
don't
know
if
a
developer
is
on
the
line
or
not,
but
it's
just
something
that
that
benefits
everyone
and
it
really
goes
a
long
long
way
and
kind
of
satisfying
at
least
some
of
the
requirements.
I'd
I'd
love
to
see
happen
thanks.
P
Jim
this
is
Brian
chick
I'm.
The
developer
I
am
on
the
call,
I've
appreciated
everyone's
comments,
I
think
Lisa.
Based
on
this,
we
can
take
another
look
at
what
we
have
in
the
pool
Courtyard
and
then
Lisa
referenced,
the
internal
Courtyard.
Maybe
will
you
could
show
that
in
plan
view,
there's
some
opportunities
there?
It's
a
rectangular
Courtyard
and
as
I've
listened
to
these
comments,
which
you
know
should
take
another
look
at
that
Lisa
to
see
if
there's
opportunities
there
so
sure.
D
P
Right
is
where
the
railroad
tracks
are,
and
then
that's
internal,
which
is
viewed
solely
by
the
residents,
but
there
could
be
some
real
opportunities
there
to
to
look
at
rain
Gardens
or
it
would
be
a
green
roof
technically
because
it's
over
the
parking
garage
podium,
but
we
have
focused
and
really
had
a
tremendous
feedback
from
the
Asheville
area.
Riverfront
Redevelopment,
commission,
I.
P
Think
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
the
chairman
said,
it's
look
forward
to
a
great
project
and
we
took
their
input
plus
an
on-site
meeting
of
the
neighbors,
the
immediate
neighbors
of
both
residents
and
businesses.
That's
where
the
idea
of
introducing
a
very
interactive
engaging
public
space,
public
engagement
in
the
courtyard
at
the
corner
of
Lyman
alignment
at
the
traffic
circle
on
private
land
is
to
make
it
engaging
and
inviting
to
the
public
use
it
for
education
and
also
have
it
to
be
a
a
very
active
and
functional
bias.
P
Well
and
Rain
Garden
there
like
you've
done
in
other
parts
of
the
the
rad
tip
along
Riverside,
Drive
and
Lyman
I,
think
we
can
continue
to
look
to
see
if
the
the
infrastructure,
that's
along,
that
elevation
on
the
west
has
any
additional
opportunities.
P
M
P
P
So
those
are
just
some
comments
on
you
know.
Responsibility
with
engagement
with
the
river
and
I
would
just
like
to
go
back
to
a
question
that
was
asked
about
the
plasma
opportunities.
Patty
torno,
immediate
neighbor,
resident
artist
is
the
one
that
helped
us
with
this
idea,
and
Our
intention
is
to
do
those
in
collaboration
with
the
University
of
North
Carolina
Asheville.
That
has
a
rather
a
robust
Workshop.
P
If
you
will
that
in
plasma
cutter
that
can
do
that,
we
do
have
a
challenge
that
will
mention
that
this
thing
is
not
if
it
floods
it's
when
it
floods.
It's
got
to
be
functional
for
the
weather
to
come
in
come
out,
but
we
didn't
want
to
have
the
classic
concern
of
cars
behind
bars.
So
we
wanted
to
make
it
cool
funky,
the
part
of
the
river
Arts
District
and
use
it
for
both
art
and
functionality.
P
Rob
I'm
sorry
I've
left
off
one
thing,
as
you
turn
the
corner
on
to
Lyman
from
Lyman,
where
we
do
have
those
five
opportunities
for
retail,
slash
artist,
Bays.
We
we
essentially
have
a
memorandum
of
understanding
in
place
with
Black
Wall
Street
that
at
least
one
of
their
burgeoning
entrepreneurs
will
will
be
in
that
space.
We
want.
We
want
to
I've
had
the
occasion
to
meet
Jay
Hackett
I
served
on
a
panel
with
him.
A
Thank
you.
We
have
Brian
and
then
Christina.
E
Yeah
I'll
bring
it
back
a
little
bit
to
the
architecture,
so
I'm.
Looking
at
a
page
three
of
the
river
Arts
guidelines,
the
river
Corps
District.
E
Basically,
all
buildings
in
the
riverfront
design,
core
District,
should
be
faced
with
materials
prevalent
in
nearby
character
buildings.
A
facade
should
incorporate
ailments,
found
in
character
buildings
in
the
immediate
area,
and
it
you
know,
goes
on
talks
about.
You
know,
west
of
the
railroad
tracks.
This
will
mean
red
brick
with
architectural
insets
designs
in
the
brick
yada
yada
yeah,
I
I'm,
just
struggling
to
differentiate
now
I
see
that
there's
there's
like
a
lot
of
pieces
about
this
that
are.
E
Are
that
I
really
like
like
I
I'm,
I'm
I'm
understanding
what
you're
doing
I
know
why
you're
doing
the
podium
design
I
get
that
and
I.
You
know
like
a
lot
of
the
artistic
pieces
that
you've
got
I
like
the
core
10
Tower
I,
like
a
lot
of
the
massing
pieces
that
you've
done
particularly
the
way
you
put
it
back
on
that
corner
I,
like
the
the
way
you've
kind
of
stepped
the
building
back
in
in
places.
There's
a
there's
a
lot
to
like
about
this
building.
E
The
thing
is
I,
just
don't
find
it
I,
don't
refined
it
find
Reflections
or
indications
of
of
the
context.
I
just
don't
see
pieces
of
the
or
even
a
homage
to
anything
in
the
area.
E
This
just
looks
like
another
piece
of
Charlotte
and
I
mean
this
is
a
you
know,
nice
piece
of
Charlotte,
but
it's
just
another
piece
of
Charlotte
that
got
plopped
down
in
the
river
Arts
District
and
I
I'd
like
to
see
some
more
attention
to
the
context
and
the
design
and
bringing
out
and
again
you
know
if
I
went
go
back
to
some
of
the
things
that
I
saw
in
in
in
the
original
renderings.
H
I
also
agree
with
the
comments
that
Brian
made
about
some
of
the
design
moves.
I
shared
two
projects,
because
sometimes
it's
just
easier
to
speak
in
images
than
comments
as
a
designer,
but
I
think
that
this
project
looks.
You
know
as
to
what
Brian
was
saying
to
me.
It
looks
very
residential
I.
Think
some
of
the
materials,
including
the
fiber
cement,
reveal
system,
looks
very
material.
H
The
push
I
mean
sorry
very
residential,
including
the
push
and
pools.
It's
just
something.
We
see
a
lot
in
Suburban
areas
and
more
residential
areas
and
I'd
love
to
see
just
something
more
interesting
in
the
river
Arts
District
I
actually
live
right
around
the
corner
on
on
Artful
way
and
so
I'm
watching
the
other
building
go
up
and
then
watch
the
buildings
on
this
property.
Go
down
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
area,
and
you
know
when
we're
walking
around
the
neighborhood.
We
often
go
through.
H
You
know
you
can
walk
through
the
wedge
or
you
can
walk
through
the
buildings
in
the
curved
Studios
and
there's
a
lot
of
porosity,
just
the
scale
of
the
buildings
in
the
area
and
the
way
they're
broken
up,
and
so
I'd
really
love
to
see.
H
Maybe
that
courtyard,
if
you
go
back
to
the
plan,
view
some
some
more
access
to
the
Courtyard.
You
know.
Why
does
that
internal
Courtyard
need
to
be
private?
Can
you
open
it
up?
H
Can
you
break
up
the
buildings
to
allow
some
access
to
through
the
site
to
make
it
more
porous,
I,
think
that
would
create
a
lot
more
interest,
and,
and
just
the
experience
of
the
building
would
totally
change
for
the
community
and
that's
more
of
a
layout
suggestion,
but
again
back
to
the
to
the
exterior
design.
I
just
think
it
doesn't
I
think
some
of
the
moves
that
are
Corton
and
are
more
Band-Aids
than
actual
references
to
the
industrial
nature
in
the
brick
of
the
area.
B
C
Here
just
give
me
one
second:
to
pull
them
up
and
share
that.
A
I've
got
Brian
and
then
Stephen
Lee
with
questions
after
this
also.
E
While
he's
pulling
those
up,
I
was
just
going
to
join
in
with
Christina
that
that
we
have
approved
you
know
the
couple
projects
on
an
Artful
way
that
are
are
very
modern.
So
when
I'm
talking
about
you
know
it's
paying
a
homage,
it's
contiguous,
it's
not
that
it
can't
be
something
new
and
interesting,
which
I
think
is
kind
of
what
Christina
is
going
for
here
with
these,
and
it's
not
like
you
have
to
reproduce
a
a
mill,
a
village
building.
It's
just
that
anyway,
go
ahead.
Christina.
H
Project
as
an
example,
because
you
can
see
that
there's
there's
parking
below
and
the
scale
is
going
to
be
different
than
what
we're
looking
at,
but
there's
some
things
to
take
from
it.
So
you
have
a
Podium
project.
H
Sorry,
that's
okay
with
residential
above,
but
you
can
see
that
there's
different
layers
of
access,
so
on
Granville
Avenue
plan
plan
left
or
a
section
left
I
guess
you
can
see
that
there's
Public
Access!
But
then,
if
you
look
maybe
at
a
3D
view,
there's
different
layers
where
maybe
the
public
can
or
cannot
access.
Maybe
it's
just
for
residents.
H
You
can
see
the
walk
through
the
bridge,
the
her
lack
of
better
word,
the
air
Bridges,
but
you
I
mean
there's
just
layers
that
create
more
interest
and
more
experiences,
which
I
think
is
what
what
you've?
What
you
see
in
the
river
I
mean
that's
what
you
experience
in
the
River
District
you
experience
layers
of
public
private
that
aren't
just
a
little
Courtyard
on
the
corner.
That's
a
small
percentage
of
the
site,
but
I'd
love.
H
If
anyone
else
would
like
to
jump
in
and
then
this
one
similarly
has,
you
know
it's
there's
more
access
to
internally.
So
if
you
keep
going
down,
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
rendering
a
little
bit
further
down.
H
Yeah
keep
going
yeah
so
I
mean
this
just
looks
much
more
engaging
and
I
I
understand
that
you
have
to
maximize
the
site,
but
maybe
there's
ways
to
start:
create
open
up
some
of
the
corridors
or
create
some
more
porosity
within
the
project
and
and
the
materials
on
both
of
these
projects.
I
think
are
more
appropriate
than
what
we're
seeing
that's
the
one
there
you
go
if
you
zoom
up
a
little
bit
that
plan
it's
it's
just
a
really
nice
view
of
pedestrian
and
you
can
see.
H
There's
still,
you
know
quite
a
bit
of
building
that
there's.
There's
access
throughout
the
project.
L
Hi
thanks
yeah
I'm,
I'm,
gonna,
I'm,
I'm,
gonna
underscore
what
what
Brian
and
Christina
have
mentioned.
I've
been
looking
at
the
renderings
against
the
you
know.
The
the
hand-drawn
renderings
ring
is
against
the
the
computer
renderings
and
just
to
hand
around
stuff.
Just
has
a
lot
of
the
character
of
the
Rat,
and
you
know
I,
for
for
what
it's
worth.
L
I
don't
live
down
there,
but
if
I'm
running
more
than
seven
miles,
I'm
running
by
this
site,
because
this
is
on
my
on
my
long
run
route-
and
you
know
those
those
hand
renderings
just
have
it
the
the
geometry,
the
massing
the
materials
they
they
really
do
fit,
whereas
the
the
the
the
stuff
on
the
computer
renderings.
It's
it's
just
not
there.
L
The
you
know
when
I
first
saw
the
well.
If
you
can
switch
to
page
20
on
the
PDF.
L
Yeah
that
guy,
when
I
first
saw
this,
you
know
the
the
tower
kind
of
really
stood
out,
because
it's
really
by
itself
and
I
thought
you
know.
I
was
looking
at
it
in
terms
of
the
courtyard
of
that
you
know.
Corner
Courtyard
and
the
it
struck
me
that
this
was
like
a
like
a
like
a
evil
twin
good.
You
know
good
and
evil
twin
buildings.
Next
to
you
know
to
one
side
or
the
other,
but
then
I
realized
that
it's
actually
more
of
a
almost
like
a
development.
L
If
you
read
it
from
from
right
to
left,
there's
this
you
know
you're
increasing,
articulation
and
you're
increasing.
You
know,
you
know
it's,
it's
just
getting
better
and
better
as
you
move
to
the
left,
and
then
it
struck
me
that
this
is
facing
the
river
and
there's
no
real
indication
of
that.
But
there's
no
reaction
in
the
in
in
there
I
don't
see
a
reaction
of
of
the
building
to
the
river
and
I.
L
Don't
you
know
that
doesn't
necessarily
I
mean
obviously
you're
across
the
street
and
all
that
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
something
that's
in
the
massing.
But
I
don't
know.
I
I
would
like
to
see
some
sort
of
reflection,
no
pun
intended
that
this
side
is
actually
facing
the
river
and
it's
doing
something
a
little
bit
different.
But
at
the
same
time
you
know,
if
going
back
to
the
those
hand
renderings
that
you
know
all
of
those
masses
are
all
they're
in
the
same
language.
You
know
these
aren't,
but
the
ones
you
know.
L
That's,
that's
one
of
the
one
of
the
I
think
the
one
of
the
failures
of
the
of
the
the
computer,
rendering
is
that
the
masses
aren't
really
in
congruence
with
each
other.
Whereas
these
are
you
know,
there's
a
there's.
A
uniformity
of
language
with
you
know,
with
with
articulation
still
happening.
So
it's
not
just
this
sort
of
blank
canvas
that
you
just
you
know,
threw
up
a
certain
language
across
the
whole
thing.
It
is,
it's
actually
articulated
and
it's
articulated
in
a
way.
L
That's
fitting
to
the
to
the
to
the
district
and
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
on
that.
D
L
I
would
I
would
very
much
encourage
you
not
to
rely
on
murals
or
anything
of
the
sort
I'd
like
to
see
the
architecture
do
the
work.
You
have
plenty
of
opportunities
to
do
that
and
you
know
that's
not
to
say
that
you
can't
have
murals
it.
You
know,
or
you
know,
have
a
space
for
art,
obviously,
but
I
I.
L
That
corner
is
pretty
it's
pretty
imposing,
especially
in
the
in
the
in
that
dark,
color
and
I
would
like
the
building
to
handle
the
corner
by
itself,
and
then,
if
you
know,
there's
room
for
it
and
there
you
know,
and
it's
still
a
good
place
for
art,
then
sure
put
up
the
art,
but
the
the
building
should
handle
that
corner
and
right
now,
I,
don't
think
it
does.
A
Thanks
Ricardo
I'm,
just
gonna,
say
really
quickly
that
it
is
208
and
from
this
discussion,
I
am
not
sure
that
we
would
be
ready
to
take
a
vote
on
this
project
today.
So
I
I
would
like
to
offer
that
maybe
this
could
come
back
to
us.
B
P
All
right,
so
we've
taken
a
lot
of
notes
and
it
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
interest
in
what
we
designed
initially
that
made
it
into
the
the
hand-drawn
rendering
to
have
more
of
the
Core
10.
Go
back
to
an
attempt
to
rebuild
the
arched
homage
to
the
colonized
building
and
address
some
of
those
colors,
and
we
are
certainly
willing
to
do
that
on
the
art
piece.
With
all
due
respect
to
the
comment
most
recently
made
a
bit
of
a
struggle.
P
And
then
art
is
a
way
to
make
it
cool
and
funky
and
representative
of
vanity
in
the
arts
district.
But
then,
then
again,
there's
you
know:
do
we
go
get
corrugated
metal
because
that's
on
a
building
down
the
way
or
introduce
red
brick,
because
there
used
to
be
a
warehouse
District.
So
a
bit
I
have
a
little
bit
of
struggle
with
that
one.
But
all
in
all
it
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
comments.
It
kind
of
went
back
to
the
architectural
comments
about
the
original
rendering
and
we
can.
P
We
can
take
that
back
up
and
show
you
another
version
of
that
on
a
second
pass
and
we
could
show
you
what
it
looks
like
with
the
rendering
with
a
mural
on
that
panel
and
what
it
looks
like
not
and
we're
happy
to
do
that
to
bring
that
back
to
you.
A
That
sounds
good
Brian,
Brian,
Moffett,
yeah.
E
You
you,
you
said
what
my
brain
was
saying,
but
I
didn't
know
it
was
saying
to
me:
is
that
the
image
that
will
has
pulled
up
right
now
does
a
good
job,
so
one
this
has
three
vertical
red
elements
that
are
all
different
but
they're,
they're,
they're
speaking
to
each
other,
whereas
the
current
one
only
has
kind
of
that
one,
and
so
it's
it's
it's
and
and
that
the
building
as
a
right,
left
or
left
or
right
is
they're
different
pieces,
but
they're
with
they're
all
cousins
of
each
other,
they're
speaking
the
same
language.
E
So
that's
really
good
and
then
I
also
want
to
point
out
to
the
design
team
that
one
of
the
things-
and
you
know
whether
you
you
reproduce
that
that
that
facade
or
not
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
if
you
do
it
there,
maybe
you
do
it
in
some
some
places.
I,
don't
know
that
you
have
to
do
it
everywhere.
One
of
the
things
that
I
responded
to
in
these
hand-drawn
is
is
in
the
Administration.
E
The
storefront
patterns
have
a
very
closely
spaced
a
million
spacing
that
is
reflective
of
more
of
a
kind
of
a
Mill
Village
look,
whereas
the
new
one.
You
have
great
these
great
big
panes
of
glass,
and
so
it's
it's
not
only
in
the
building
organization
and
the
languages,
even
in
the
detailing
I,
really
respond
better
to
this
building,
because
it's
picking
up
pieces
like
that
and
and
making
them
new
making
them
your
own,
making
it
a
new,
a
modern
building
of
its
time,
but
I
I
do
think
this
is
a
better
Direction.
E
B
Yeah
Brian
since
you're,
you
know
I,
guess
expressing
a
willingness
to
to
kind
of
come
back.
I
would
love
to
hear
you
know,
is
it
possible
or
why
you
can't
programmatically?
Is
there
a
way
to
sort
of
bring
people
through
it
a
little
bit
more
I
thought
Christina
brought
up
some
good
points
and
you
may
have
already
looked
at
that
or
you
may
you
know,
may
not
be
possible,
but
it
would
be
nice
just
to
hear
your
your
design
team's
thoughts
on
that
as
well.
P
I'll,
take
a
crack
at
that
Jeremy,
some
of
it
you
know
we're
coming
back,
because
the
past
developer
could
could
not
get
this
project
financed
at
the
density
that
they
proposed.
They
tried
for
months
and
months
and
months,
and
someone
mentioned
it
was
approved
in
2017.
in
the
design.
So
we
have
to
live
in
the
realm
of
reality
of
what
project
pencils
out
to
attract
investors.
So
that's
why
we're
coming
back
with
asking
for
increased
density.
Second
piece
is
just
to
remind
everybody,
even
though
this
isn't
a
design
review
thing.
P
But
it's
a
way
of
me
answering
your
question
that
what
was
approved
before
was
100
market
rate
and
we
are
offering
with
no
prompting
to
do
it.
The
last
developer
did
down
Riverside
Drive
of
offered
five
percent
affordability
at
80
percent
of
the
area,
median
income.
So
that's
that's
a
new
public
good.
P
That
would
just
take
a
huge
chunk
of
our
density
out
of
the
way
and
then
there's
also
concerns
about
opening
up
the
internal
Courtyard.
Those
units
open
up
and
walk
out
into
that
courtyard
and
to
welcome
the
public
in
there
would
create
safety
issues.
Quite
frankly,
so
we've
tried
to
engage
the
public
on
the
two
lymans,
the
others
of
the
railroads.
There's
no
engagement
opportunity
there
and
the
other
is
a
fence
up
against
the
bonnets
Warehouse.
So
we
feel,
like
we've,
tried
to
be
sensitive
engaged.
P
Also,
why
I've
gotten
the
microphone
again?
I
think
there's
some
good
comments
about
making
people
aware
that
we
are
mirroring
the
river
and
instead
of
circles.
Maybe
we
ought
to
put
waves
along
the
plasma
cut
steel
to
to
make
it
more
evocative
of
being
across
the
street
from
the
French
Broad,
so
I
hope.
That's
helpful
to
kind
of
weave
in
some
of
the
economics
and
thinking
of
the
of
the
project
outside
of
architecture
and.
O
Hey
this
is
Lisa
and
I
know
that
you
know:
we've
touched
on
the
nature
or
the
scale
of
that
brick
wall.
That
was
part
of
that
older
structure
on
site
and
with
the
Arches,
and
you
know
just
clearly
relating
back
to
or
two
structures
that
are
next
door.
We
can
bring
what
we're
showing
closer
to
that
we're
open
to
that
as
well,
and
we
can
also
bring
in
a
little
bit
more
of
the
Core
10
and
the
vertical
realm
as
well.
That's
that's
not
off
the
table.
O
But
the
massing
in
the
brick,
the
way
that
this
building
is
structured
is
exactly
the
same
with
the
exception
and
we
did
lose
a
stair.
We
had
a
stair
rotate
around
the
corner
on
on
the
right
hand,
side
because
we
needed
to
open
the
garage
up.
So
there
were
some
architectural
challenges
to
maintaining
that
vertical
element,
so
it
just
it
kind
of
slid
around
the
back
of
the
building.
O
So
these
are
just
some
of
the
you
know
where
we
stand
currently,
but
I
do
hear
you
and
I
agree.
We
can
adjust
the
coloring
and
bring
back
that
that
palette
and
the
way
that
the
building
was
I.
Guess
the
the
color.
The
way
that
yeah
there
you
go,
the
balconies
are
dark.
The
skin
itself
is
lighter,
will
bring
that
element
back.
If
that's
you
know
more
pleasing
and
then
again
bringing
in
these
warmer
tones
reworking
that
that
wall
element
I
think
definitely
could
do
that.
A
And
I
agree
with
Brian's
window
pattern,
suggestion
for.
A
And
Lauren
suck
Brian.
P
Q
A
Would
take
public
comment
before
discussion
and
get
ready
to
vote.
M
Q
What
you
know
I'm
trying
to
be
courageous
and
try
to
support
projects
that
developers
are
bringing
to
the
city
I'm
a
developer
myself
and
I
understand
the
difficulty
of
trying
to
get
projects
approved
through
the
city,
and
you
know,
I
hear
a
lot
of
nostalgia
about
the
river
Arts
District
and
I
love.
It
too
I've
been
here
for
10
years,
I
run
there
I
cycle
there,
but
some
of
the
comments
seem
to
be
based
on
Nostalgia,
not
really
the
reality
of
the
street
like
Lyman
Street.
Q
So
my
question
is
we
hear
about
has
to
be
with
the
character
of
the
city,
but
I
mean
I.
Look
at
Lyman,
Street
and
I.
Go
there
all
the
time,
I'm
curious
as
to
what
particular
building
that
we're
trying
to
match
the
the
context
with
so
we,
you
know
you
have
an
industrial
building
next
door,
a
few
blocks
down.
You
have
a
concrete
building
with
a
mural
of
you
know:
Homer
Simpson,
that's
just
a
big,
concrete
block,
and
so
my
view
is
that
River
Arts
District
is
incredibly
underutilized.
Q
I
mean
you
have
so
much
vacant
land
there
that's
not
being
used.
We
should
be
begging
somebody
to
build
housing
there.
The
only
housing
I'm
aware
of
that's
been
built
recently
is
by
Jeremy
Goldstein,
so
I'd
be
really
curious
to
hear
his
views
about
approval
process,
but
this
would
be
an
amazing
place
for
people
to
live
and
I.
Q
Think
I
feel
like
we're
splitting
hairs
when
the
reality
of
this
area
is
not
as
nostalgic
as
it
seems,
I
mean
the
river's
great
and
we
need
to
we,
but
but
the
best
thing
about
the
river
with
people
using
it
and
I
think
the
best
thing
we
could
do
is
get
people
living
in
this
area
and
I.
My
question
to
the
the
committee
would
just
be:
what
specific
building
are
we
trying
to
maintain
the
standard
of
relative
to
other
buildings
that
are
there
because
Lyman
Street
in
itself
is
just
to
decrepit?
Q
Let's
be
real,
I
mean
it's
a
decrepit
street
of
Old
industrial
buildings
that
are
in
disrepair.
So
I
I'd
like
to
get
specific
examples
when
we're
talking
about
that
it
needs
to
meet
the
character
of
the
area.
I
understand
there's
a
few
Old
Mills
that
are
brick
they're,
very
nice,
some
of
which
are
still
in
complete
this
repair
and.
M
Q
The
project
I,
don't
know
how
many
years
this
has
been
underway
and
I
just
want
to
offer
support
to
just
generally
that
we
need
housing
and
Asheville
desperately,
and
we
need
to
make
it
easier
for
developers
to
deliver
that
and
be
very
specific
in
terms
of
what
the
fabric
of
the
community
that
we're
trying
to
meet,
because
to
me,
Lyman
Street
is
just
a
lane
of
decrepit
old
industrial
buildings.
So
I'd
like
to
know
specifically
what
we're
trying
to
match.
What
building
is
it?
N
D
A
Ton
more
housing
in
Asheville
I
am
100
for
that
and
I.
Don't
think
that
any
of
us
are
arguing
about
the
number
of
housing
units
I.
Think
of
building
this
large,
it
is
a
very
large
building,
no
one's
going
to
argue
that
it's
going
to
set
a
press,
vent
and
I
think
what
we're
concerned
with
is
that
the
president
and
the
aesthetic
of
this
building
adds
to
the
river
Arts
District
and
feels
like
it's
uniquely
Asheville
instead
of
a
typical
building
that
could
be,
as
Brian
mentioned
earlier,
in
Charlotte
or
Atlanta.
A
So
we
are
I,
think
talking
about
not
specific
buildings,
but
yes,
the
mill
buildings
way
into
it,
but
I
think
the
river
Arts
District
as
a
whole
has
a
funkier
feel
than
a
Charlotte
or
Atlanta
type.
Building.
I
think
we
all
want
to
see
this
project
succeed,
I,
I,
think
200
and
some
units
of
housing
in
the
river
Arts
District
is
amazing
and
I'm
100
for
that
I
just
want
it
to
look
awesome,
Jeremy
I
think
he
wanted
to
hear
your
thoughts
too.
So
maybe
no.
A
Okay,
then
we'll
go
to
Warren.
Did
you
still
have
your
hand
raised
or
no
I.
P
P
Color
scheme
reintroducing
those
three
vertical
Core
10
red
colors,
going
back
to
the
arches
of
best
trying
to
recreate
an
homage
to
the
colonize
building
and
to
seek
opportunities,
greater
opportunities
for
rain,
Gardens
and
bioswales,
and
to
change
the
art
up
along
those
those
plasma
cut
Bays
to
use
the
opportunity
to
be
some
sort
of
a
art,
slash
design,
but
to
let
people
give
a
sense.
That's
evocative
of
the
river
so
not
to
play
member
of
the
design
review
board
to
make
a
motion.
P
But
that
would
be
my
preference
because
it
seems
like
we
have
shown
you
something
that
we
drew
with
our
same
architect
that
you
that
spoke
to
you,
that
we'd
be
willing
to
go
back
to.
And
if
we
could
have
some
way
to
advance
that
with
an
appropriate
condition
and
then
send
it
on
to
council,
so
don't
we
our
our
we,
our
contract,
expires
on
this
project
on
December
31st
and
we
very
much
were
hoping
to
get
it
through
Council
in
this
year.
H
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
I
totally
agree
with
the
callers
comments
and
Robin's
comments.
I
just
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
the
two
projects
that
I
showed
were
market
rate
and
one
of
them
has
affordable
units,
so
I
don't
think
doing
something.
Creative
and
inventive
is
impossible.
H
I
know
that
this
product
is
pretty
far
along
and
but
I
do
think
that
those
are
the
types
of
things
at
least
I
would
like
to
see
in
Asheville
and
that
and
that
we
should
be
looking
at
and
I
think
to
the
callers
comments.
I
just
like
to
say
that
I
think
the
only
building.
That
is
a
precedent
for
this.
The
look
of
this
building
is
the
other
building
built
by
the
same
developer.
That's
going
around
the
corner,
so
it's
not
so
much.
H
What
are
we
trying
to
look
at
in
the
area
to
match?
But
what
are
we
why
this
look?
You
know
so
anyways,
but
that's
those
are
my
comments.
A
So,
as
a
committee,
if
we
were
going
to
vote,
we
did
this
with
that
apartment,
building
on
Hillman
recently
where
they
went
on
to
TRC,
and
then
they
brought
their
designed
back.
Did
we
have
a
lot
of
conditions?
I
was
not
chair,
then
I
can't
remember,
but
did
we
vote
that
in
with
a
lot
of
conditions,
or
did
we
both
know,
and
then
they
came
back
I.
E
Thought
we
voted
it
in
I
thought
I
put
a
ton
of
conditions
on
it,
this
one's
honestly
easier
because
we
have
those
renderings,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
do
talk
a
texture
right,
I'm
willing
to
take
a
shot
at
it.
If
they
you
know
we
can.
We
can
go
that
direction
and
put
conditions
on
it
and
then
let
them
continue
with
their
process
and
then
have
them
come
back
to
show
us.
You
know
what
it
what
it
actually
looks
like
I
mean
they
I
I.
E
C
E
However,
you
want
to
say:
don't
put
that
in
as
a
condition
if
I'm
gonna
do
my
best
will
here
we
go
Fair
rains
I,
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
Woodfield
stone
yard
project
as
presented
and
discussed
based
on
site
plans,
elevations
and
materials
submitted,
and
discussions
heard
during
this
review
and
I
find
that
the
project
meets
the
intent
of
the
River
District
design
review
guidelines
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
one
that
the
applicant
incorporate
the
material
color,
fenestration
and
general
detailing,
as
shown
in
the
concept
renderings
on
sheet
A5
Point
a30
regarding
the
three
red
vertical
elements:
the
incorporation
of
brick
detailing
and
Arch
arches,
the
more
closely
spaced
store,
foot,
storefront,
mullions
and
other
details
as
present
on
that
design.
E
Two
that
the
applicant
incorporate
to
the
best
of
their
ability,
green
roof
and
other
storm
water
control
measures
within
the
building
design.
E
Is
there
a
third
condition,
Stephen
Lee
Catherine
did
I
cover
that
one
okay,
on
that,
okay
Ricardo
did
I
miss
anything
on
so
far
so
good,
Christina,
okay,
sorry,
I'm
walking
three
screens
here,
I.
H
A
E
E
Yeah
and
and
third
final,
that
the
applicant
returned
to
this
commission
to
provide
a
courtesy
review
after
they've
made
those
changes.
A
Great
Jeremy.
D
D
A
A
Sorry
Brian,
do
you
still
have
your
hand
raised
or
do
you
have
a
new
question.
A
I
Thanks
y'all,
just
a
quick
comment
to
just
make
sure
you
knew
that
I
was
here
and
listening
to
all
that
feedback
and
I
appreciate
the
input
from
this
committee
and
just
to
make
sure
that
this
development
team
sounds
relatively
new
to
the
area.
Knows
that
this
committee,
you
know
we
just
as
a
council,
put
this
Committee
in
place
last
year
and
are
leaning
heavily
on
this
committee
for
their
design
critique.
D
I
Input
so
we
certainly
value
the
input
that
is
coming
out
of
these
meetings
and
on
Council
we
certainly
read
it.
We
look
for
it
and
I.
Just
I
can't
appreciate
this
committee
enough,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
developer
knew
that
we
are
really
leaning
on
this
design
review
board
for
input
as
a
new
board,
especially
so
thank
you.
Everyone.
A
Thanks
Sage,
okay,
we
have
one
more
item
and
it
is
an
informal
review.
It
is
after
two,
so
anybody
that
needs
to
go.
You
don't
have
to
stay.
This
is
68
Carter,
Street,
Asheville
tributes,
Apartments.
C
So
I
can
share
the
plans.
I
don't
know
if
the
applicant
wants
to
to
leave
the
plan
sharing
I
like
to
have
it
out
before
discussion
purposes,
but
I'll,
basically.
A
Just
turn
it
over
to
them
to
walk
through
the
project
and
then
okay.
Well
one
question
this
says:
it's
68,
Carter
Street
Asheville
tribute
apartments
and
then
it
says
guest
room.
So
it's
a
hotel
right.
C
It's
a
yeah,
a
mixed
use,
project
with
hotel
guest
rooms
and
residential
uses
as
well.
C
R
All
right
I
can
share.
If
it's
easier,
though
sure.
C
R
R
Hello,
everybody
Matt
Gower
with
Oda
architecture,
I'm,
certainly
appreciate
the
time
and
look
forward
to
discussing
the
project
with
you.
So
the
project
is
I've
and
I
heard
some
earlier
comments
lacking
a.
M
R
Plan
I
apologize
for
not
including
that
in
the
presentation.
So
let
me
just
start
with
that.
Actually,
but
we
do
have
a
mixed-use
project
that
includes
a
hotel
and
and
condos
as
well
as
rooftop
humidity.
That
would
have
a
some
meeting
space
and
a
bar
restaurant
at
the
Rooftop
located
along
Carter
Street
and
Ann
Street
in
North.
Basically
above
Carter,
Street
hotel
is
primarily
situated
along
Carter
Street,
as
this
is
the
for
a
number
of
reasons.
R
But
the
the
site
slopes
dramatically
about
24
22
to
24
feet
from
the
northeast
corner
to
the
southwest
corner,
along
and
being
the
the
lowest
point.
And
so,
what's
that,
what
we've
done
is
is
place
the
hotel
here,
with
parking
behind
and
below
in
in
a
structure
and
then
lined
hand
street
with
some
sort
of
auxiliary
functions
to
to
the
project.
R
In
addition
to
that,
the
intent
was
in
its
orientation
to
capture
views
to
the
east
of
the
skyline
and
the
buildings
surrounding
the
pack
square
area,
and
even
you
know,
First
Baptist,
Church
and
then
on
to
the
top
physical
Force
Beyond,
and
then
the
West
facade
facing
obviously
towards
the
mountains
to
the
West,
as
well
as
being
able
to
capture
some
of
those
sunset
views
from
that
rooftop
I
mean.
R
Slight
change
in
orientation,
but
we've
got
Carter
Street
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
page
and
Ann
Street
up
here.
North
would
be
to
the
right
so
again
at
the
High
Point
we've
got
entry,
vehicular
entry
for
a
formal
drop-off
for
both
the
residential
and
and
hotel
functions,
as
well
as
primary
pedestrian
entry
and
then
fronting
Carter
with
our
hotel
lobby
bar
and
and
restaurant.
At
this
level
we
have
ramped
down
towards
Ann
Street
into
our
parking,
which
sits
under
the
bulk
of
of
the
structure.
R
So,
as
you
come
down,
the
ramp
you've
got
parking
here
with
some
of
those
ancillary
functions,
fronting
and
Street
as
as
mentioned,
and
then
we've
got
a
lower
level
of
parking.
R
R
Sorry
I
keep
thinking
on
the
wrong
screen
here.
Moving
up
from
the
first
floor,
we've
got
four
levels
of
hotel
guest
rooms.
R
I
R
I'm
gonna
jump
to
this
last
page
and
just
show
some
of
the
imagery
of
the
the
exterior
character,
as
well
as
the
massing
of
the
project.
We've
taken.
R
Some
inspiration
from
buildings
like
the
Grove
Arcade
and
some
of
those
surrounding
buildings,
which
are
probably
some
of
the
more
significant
buildings
that
are,
are
closely
adjacent
to
this
site,
not
so
much
in
trying
to
duplicate
their
character,
but
just
in
their
you
know,
beautiful
brick
detailing
the
depth
in
their
facade,
that
creates
nice
shadow
lines
and
and
and
particularly
on
on
the
Grove
Arcade
itself.
It's
you
know
deep
recessed
entries
and
so
along
Carter
Street.
R
You
know
we
see
some.
We
have
some
proposed
masonry
both
at
the
street
level,
and
this
element
that
is
out
10
feet
from
the
main
building
facade
would
be
our
act
as
our
street
wall.
R
D
R
Facade
to
start
to
create
some
some
interesting
Shadow
line
and
on
that
facade
in
the
East
facade
the
the
massing
in
and
character
of
the
building
kind
of
changes.
As
we
we
approach
the
Ann
Street
side.
R
You
know
we
sort
of
saw
the
The
Carter
side
is,
is
formal
and
facing
the
main
downtown
area
and
as
the
the
street
grid
of
Asheville
starts
to
sort
of
dissolve
in
this
in
this
direction.
The
the
building
kind
of
does
the
same
thing.
So
again,
we've
got
these
ancillary
spaces
back
here,
but
we
are
proposing
an
element
here
that
would
serve
as
secured
entry
for
for
residents
onto
the
property
from
from
Ann
Street,
as
well
as
down
towards
the
bottom.
Beyond
the
vehicular
entry.
R
You
know
some
other
amenity
for
the
residents
right
now,
we're
considering
bicycle
storage
and
sort
of
a
bicycle
repair
facility
for
for
residents
to
maintain
their
their
bicycles
and
and
would
have
some
some
transparency,
certainly
out
onto
the
street,
to
help
help
sort
of
activate
that.
R
Looking
at
sort
of
this
axon
view
we
can,
we
can
see
beyond
that.
There
is
again
some
more
Hotel
function.
This
would
be
the
fitness
center,
that's
actually
shared
by
the
hotel,
as
well
as
the
residents
and
then
our
pool
deck,
and
though
it
is
recessed,
you
know
or
stepped
back
a
bit
from
that
hand
Street
side.
You
know
we
certainly
we're
still
trying
to
to
face
and.
F
R
R
And
I
think
I
certainly
heard
some
of
the
discussion
before
the
meeting
started
regarding
Ann
Street.
So
we'd
certainly
like
to
respond
to
any
other
questions
of
that,
as
well
as
as
the
rest
of
the
project,
I
think
from
an
architectural
standpoint.
We
certainly.
I
R
Recommendations
for
specific,
you
know,
base
middle
cap
organization
and
that
started
as
sort
of
again
show
that
on
this,
what
we
call
the
more
formal
side
of
the
building-
okay
you're,
looking
at
it,
primarily
some
masonry
materials
with
you
know
secondary
materials
somewhat
undecided
yet
and
then
also
considering
you
know,
under
these
soffits
and
this
Auto
Court
here,
that's
sheltered
under
the
building
there's
some
some
rich
or
warm
materials.
It
could.
R
F
Yeah
I
have
a
question:
the
signage
is
that
just
like
placeholder
or
is
that
the
actual
the
design
the.
R
Biggest
placeholder
at
the
moment
you
know
I
think
certainly
some
pedestrian
level
sign
signage
along
Carter
Street
near
the
entry
would
make
some
sense,
and
you
know
we
don't
have
a
specific
name
for
the
hotel
or
anything
yet.
But
but
you
know,
typically,
there
are
required.
R
G
Just
as
a
point
of
clarification,
this
design,
Review
Committee,
is
reviewing
this
project
as
a
hotel
project.
Okay.
So
this
is
not
mandatory
review
voluntary
compliance,
correct
in
terms
of
the
comments
that
have
received
by
the
design
team
and
the
developer,
all
right
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
with
me.
Thank
you.
H
So
I
think
just
jumping
into
some
comments
on
the
architecture.
I
I
actually
really
like
the
I.
Think
the
Carter
Street
elevation
is
really
successful.
Can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
materials
going
up
the
building?
It
looks
like
there's
a
brick
and
then
it
switches
to
another
material.
R
Sure
yeah
some
of
this
is
certainly
still
in
development,
but
but
yeah
we
are
proposing
at
the
base
of
the
building
here
masonry
and
then
masonry
at
least
up
to
this
level.
We
may
carry
it
further,
but
right
now
we're
showing
you
know
potentially
some
transition.
It
could
just
be
a
transition
transition
in
maybe
the
texture,
if
it's
all
brick
or
or
we
have
explored.
You
know
kind
of
carrying
that
brick
all
the
way
up
to
that
sort
of
eighth
floor
line
and
then
just
from
a
massive
standpoint.
H
Okay
can
and
then
can
we
go
to
that
and
or
if
you
could
zoom
in
well,
maybe
on
that
rendering
that
shows
and
street
at
the
top
on
the
left.
H
I
don't
know
Matt
if
you
were
on
earlier,
when
Jeremy
made
some
comments
about
Ann
Street
and
this
side
of
the
building
feeling
like
I,
don't
know
that
the
ugly
stepchild
Maybe
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
that
you
could
maybe
I
know
you
said,
there's
a
private
entrance
here
and
some
ancillary
he
says
is
there
any
way
that
you
can
can
reorganize
some
of
that
or
the
entry
to
maybe
the
south
side
of
the
building
or
or
the
North
Side,
to
create
more
of
a
pedestrian
environment
out
here
on
Ann
Street,
have
you
all
looked
at
different
options.
H
Off
of
Ann
Street,
you
have
that
entry.
You
said
there's
some.
This
is
clearly
a
back
entrance.
This
is
clearly
not
the
pedestrian
entrance,
but
if
I'm
not
sure,
if
you
were
on
earlier,
but
Jeremy
had
mentioned
that
Ann
Street's
not
really
a
an
alley,
it's
it's
actually
a
a
street
that
would
need
some
pedestrian,
something
similar
to
what
you
have
on
Carter
Street.
H
R
I
mean
other
than
providing
entry
points.
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
know
that.
Are
you
suggesting
with
other
functions
or
yeah.
H
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
put
some
of
I'm
wondering
if
there's
an
an
option
to
put
some
of
the
more
utilitarian
functions
that
you
have
in
the
back
of
the
building
around
the
corner,
to
get
them
off
of
Ann
Street,
and
maybe
you
have
more
of
a
plaza
or
something
that
engages
the
at
The
Pedestrian
level
in
a
more
friendly
way.
Instead
of
it
just
being
a
back
entrance.
R
Sure
I
mean
I
think
that's
certainly
something
we
can
explore.
You
know
the
intent
with
I
guess
maybe
if
this
represents
it
very
well.
R
You
know
the
intent
wasn't
for
it
to
feel
like
a
back
entry.
It's
not
the
the
primary
entry
into
the
into
the
residential
Lobby
is.
Is
you
know
up
here?
So
we've
created
this
sort
of
Pavilion
that
that
would
act
as
resident
residential
entry.
I
mean
it
has
to
be
secured
because
it's
it's
an
apartment
or
a.
R
But
give
it
some
some
character
that
that
is
unique
and
feels
like
a
like
an
intentional
entry
point
and
not
a
back
door.
We've
got
sort
of
this
covered
lower
Joe
and
you
know
wall
along
the
edge
of
the
the
parking
with
some
Landscaping
to
help
kind
of
soften
that,
as
as,
as
you
come
down,
Ann
Street,
but
you
know
certainly
I
understand
the
point
that-
and
perhaps
it's
just
with
the
functions
that
are
placed
here.
R
It
feels
like
a
back
of
a
building
when
we
do
have
vehicular
entry.
We
are
proposing
other
amenities
at
this.
At
this
location,
I
had
talked
about
the
sort
of
bike,
storage
and
repair
facility
which
I
you
know
would
be
done
at
this
end
and
it's
you
know
really
think
of
it
as
sort
of
just
a
little
bike
shop
for
for
Workshop,
I
guess
I
should
say
for
for
residents
to
work
on
their
bikes
and
so
I
think
it
sounds
to
me
like.
Maybe
this
is
the
area
in
question
that.
R
Development-
and
certainly
you
know
we-
we
can
study
that
more
and
see
what
what
other
options
there
are.
I
mean
I,
think
you
know.
Certainly
the
reality
is
we
have
a
project
with
certain
functions
and
we
have.
We
have
secondary
functions.
Mechanical
service
functions
that
we
need
to
play
somewhere
in
rather
than
exposing
or
trying
to
just
cover
up
the
parking
garage
on
N
Street.
We
felt
that,
at
least
by
putting
those
functions
as
sort
of
a
liner
on
the
on
the
street
Frontage
to
Shield.
R
That
parking
garage
would
at
least
start
to
help
activate
that
you
know
recognizing
that
it's
not
you
know
it's
not
the
same
as
having
you
know,
retail
or
Lobby
space
there,
but
but
it
still
gives
us
a
mass
that
that
can
be
articulated
I
think
in
a
more
elegant
way
than
than
just
a
parking
garage
facade.
So
that
was
our
intent
there,
and
so
we
can
certainly
study
that
more,
but
but
would
love
to
hear
any
specific.
H
A
F
A
I
would
also
say
that
if
there
is
a
wall
there-
and
there
is
this
structure
there,
that
it
feel
more
like
a
building
so
that
it
feels
right
now,
I
feel
like
it
feels
like.
Neither
maybe
that's
part
of
the
problem
with
it.
I
don't
know.
If
there
are
any
function,
if
you're
worried
about
security,
I
think
putting
a
function
there,
that
residents
would
use
a
lot.
I,
don't
know
something
like
that.
A
That
would
be
activated
and
feel
more
like
a
space
that
you
needed
to
go
to,
instead
of
just
something
you
had
to
drive
by,
but
Jeremy
and
then
Catherine.
B
Hey
Matt,
as
I
mentioned,
the
pre-meeting
I
own
two
buildings
across
the
street
from
this
on
Ann
Street
I've
been
there
for
20
years,
so
I'm
intimately
familiar
with
this
area.
B
I'm,
also
not
an
architect,
so
take
that
for
what
it
is.
But
this
to
me
looks
like
a
building
on
car
street
with
a
parking
garage
or
a
parking
deck,
and
then
we've
just
sort
of
slapped
together,
something
to
on
Ann
Street,
where
Ann
Street's,
not
an
alley.
I,
don't
understand
the
comment
about
how
the
street
grid
dissolves.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
Activation
and
I.
It's
a
front
so
I
don't
understand
how
you
could
just
I,
don't
view
the
pool
or
the
pool
house
as
an
extension
of
Frontage
on
Ann
Street
I.
B
Don't
know
how
many
feet
back.
It
is,
but
it's
definitely
not
on
the
street
I
believe
the
code
requires
two
stories
of
habitable
space:
that's
activated
and
used
it
just
doesn't
it's
just
a
lost
opportunity
on
me,
so
I
feel
like
there
should
be.
Some
use
doesn't
have
to
be
as
Grand
and
large
as
what's
on
on
Carter
Street,
but
some
type
of
activation
and
use
on
that
side
of
the
street.
J
Oh
well,
Jeremy
finished
up,
but
you
and
Christina
started
I
agree
with
everything
that
the
three
of
you
said.
That
was
my
main
comment.
Just
about
Street,
Frontage
and
activation
I
did
want
to
look
really
quickly
at
the
site
plan.
I
want
to
see
the
property
line.
Can
we
pull
that
up.
R
D
R
We
are
proposing
minimum
10
foot
sidewalks
on
on
both
and
and
Carter
Street,
and
then
you
know
other
than
that.
Take
advantage
of
folks
putting
us
with
building
Frontage
on
those
two
sets.
G
G
For
me
personally,
in
addition
to
obviously
architecture
and
design
of
what's
visible,
it
needs
to
be
uniquely
special
because
we're
looking
at
a
hotel
project,
but
in
addition,
the
sustainability
Factor
needs
to
be
uniquely
special
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
ways
Matt
that
this
could
occur
would
be
through
obviously
I'm,
going
to
mention
a
green
roof,
but
a
project
like
this
another
hotel,
it's
low
hanging,
fruit
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
when
we
do
vote
on
it,
eventually
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
support
it
unless
it
does
have
a
full
green
roof.
E
Yeah
I
hadn't
gone
yet
I
just
appreciate
Stephen,
Lee's
consistency,
it's
it's
great,
so
Christina
did
a
good
job
talking
to
you
about
so,
first
of
all,
Matt
don't
feel
constrained
by
base
middle
cap.
E
That
I
think
I
think
the
code
even
says
something
organizational
such
as
and
I
kind
of
want
to
strike.
I
just
want
to
say
it
organization
we
just
want.
We
just
want
to
organize
design.
E
You
know
some
some,
a
semblance
of
design
so
and
I
I
think
what
you've
got
is
is
is
going
in
in
some
good
directions
in
terms
of
the
the
the
especially
the
depth
of
the
administration
and
the
overall
building
organization.
I
I,
like
a
lot
of
the
directions,
you're
going,
I'm
I'm
I,
am
concerned
with
the
two-story
pieces
on
both
Carter
and
and
I.
Won't
I
won't
beat
that
horse
anymore,
but
I'd
say
that
Carter
is
actually
you're
pushing
it
there.
E
You
know
whether
or
not
that's
actually
a
full
two-story
piece.
I
know
you've
got
the
set
step
back
and
stuff,
but
there's
it's
just.
You
know
we're
really
looking
for
some
some
really
good
pedestrian
activation.
E
These
aren't
key
pedestrian
streets,
but
you
know
they're
they're
gonna
become
even
more
pedestrian
than
they
are
now
with
development
like
this
coming
to
them,
and
then
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
in
the
renderings
and
stuff
you
know
you've
got
your
lumion
trees
in
there,
but
you
know
I'm
going
to
want
to
see
a
really
good
landscape
plan
and
Hardscape
plan
how
you're
activating
those
spaces
with
a
hotel
project-
Stephen
Lee,
didn't
say
it
so
I'll
say
it.
We
want
more
than
just
a
sidewalk
and
trees
with
tree.
E
Grates
I
want
a
really
well
designed
activated
pedestrian
space.
That
gives
me
places
to
sit
things
to
do
stuff
to
look
at
and
that
incorporates
the
best
practices
for
stormwater
management,
suspended
Paving
systems.
I
want
you
to
group
your
trees
together,
I
want
to
I.
Want
you
to
knock
my
socks
off
when
you
come
back
with
the
the
the
how
you
use
these
sidewalks,
so
I
think
I'll
leave
it
there
I
generally
I
kind
of
like
a
lot
of
pieces
on
this
I
like
a
lot
of
the
materials
I.
E
Think
there's
something
going
on.
I,
don't
know
what
it
is:
I
see
it
almost
more
in
the
elevations
than
maybe
the
renderings.
It
feels
like
the
building
is
a
little
cut
off.
E
There's
a
couple
things
so
like
on
the
when
I'm
looking
on
the
back
side
on
and
looking
at
Carter
you've
got
that
one
vertical
element,
and
it
kind
of
hints,
like
it's
peeking
above
that
that
horizontal
datum,
but
it's
like
it's
very
hesitant
and
I,
either
wanted
to
I
I,
want
that
horizontal
datum
just
to
remain
or
I
want
it
to
pop
up
enough
that
it
makes.
E
Do
you
see
what
I'm
saying
Matt
there's
this
piece
from
the
end
street
view
the
piece
that
has
the
Carter
Street
Hotel
on
it?
It's
just
not
proud
enough.
Yeah
yeah,
it's
just
not
proud
enough.
So
it's
like
you've
got
that
horizontal
datum
and
you've
got
one
piece
on
the
end,
but
that
piece
it
either
needs
to
be
more
special
or
or
less
because
it's
calling
attention
to
itself
and
then
it's
not
doing
anything.
E
So
there's
a
couple.
Moves
like
that.
I
know
I'm
nitpicking,
but
I'd
like
to
see
something
there
and
then
I'm
really
interested
in
this
piece
that
you've
got
in
the
middle
that
little
flat
roof
thing
that
you
can't
really
see
from
hardly
any
of
the
views.
E
I
don't
know
yeah
it
looks
like
it
could
be,
really
fascinating
and-
and
it's
just
not
yet
so
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
you're
doing
I
I
can
see
in
program.
You've
got
Fitness
and
it's
on
the
outside
of
the
pool
and
stuff,
but
that
that
is
severely
underdeveloped,
and
so
that
could
inform
maybe
some
of
what's
going
on
along
Ann,
Street
I.
E
Think
if
you
make
that
something
really
impressive
and
then
how
you
get
to
and
from
it
from
Main
Street,
maybe
for
for
the
residents
or
even
if
we
could
just
see
something,
maybe
not
see
what
they're
doing
in
there
but
see
the
building
itself
from
Anne.
That
just
looks
intriguing
to
me.
So
I'll
leave
it
there
yeah.
R
No
I
appreciate
the
comments
and
I
think
you
know,
admittedly
the
End
Street
side.
One
of
the
main
reasons
for
for
having
the
informal
today
was
to
to
get
some
some
feedback
and
and
Just
Thoughts
From.
The
committee
on
on
the
end,
Street
facade,
so
I
think
you
know
that's
some
great
great
comments
there
and
and
as
far
as
the
base
middle
cap
or
not,
we
know
we're
not
bound
to
that.
E
E
Doing
some
really
fun
stuff
on
that
front
on
that
Carter
Street.
You
know
where
you
broke,
that
horizontal
datum,
so
that
I
really
look
at
that
piece
and
then
you,
you
you're,
bringing
in
the
masonry
and
you're
bringing
the
hints
down
and
then
I
get
down
to
the
front
door
and
I
hardly
see
anything
so
like
I
want
to
see
that
little
stair-step
thing
that
you've
got
going
in
the
design
of
that
will.
E
Could
you
scroll
down
to
the
I,
think
it's
the
bottom
left
rendering
yeah
that
one
and
then
zoom
in
the
bottom
left.
Rendering
excuse
me
bottom
right.
Excuse
me
I'm!
So
sorry
you
gotta
look
at
which
finger
my
rings.
D
E
So
the
the
the
main
entry-
it's
underneath
that
so
you
again
you
broke
the
datum.
You've
got
that
special
piece.
You've
got
the
masonry
you
bring.
Those
hints
down
in
the
horizontals
and
I
come
down
to
the
entry
and
it
just
kind
of
dies.
It
Fizzles
out.
I
want
I,
want
that.
I
want
that.
Entry
to
Pop,
because
you've
you've
made
all
these
moves
and
then
I
get
to
the
end
of
it
and
there's
no
pot
of
gold
at
the
end
of
the
rainbow
so
fix
that
one
too.
K
E
J
Hey
Matt
I,
just
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
Phillips
comment.
I
think
you
know
what
was
missed
in
the
project
review
that
came
in
right
before
yours
was
the
distinction
between
a
roof
garden
and
a
green
roof
as
storm
water
infrastructure,
and
so
that
was
just
I
wasn't
brave
enough.
I
felt,
like
I,
had
talked
too
much
in
the
previous
project,
but
there's
a
unique
distinction
between
those
two
and
often
people,
think
of
them
as
the
same,
and
so
what
Stephen,
Lee
I
think
is
asking
for
is
not
a
roof.
J
Garden
to
add
a
ton
of
cost
to
your
project.
I
think
what
he's
asking
for
is
a
way
for
us
to
help
deal
with
our
storm
water
issues
in
Asheville
and
a
green
roof
is
one
way
to
do
that
in
urban
areas,
where
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
space
at
grade
to
manage
our
storm
water,
and
so
when
you're,
if
you
do
consider
a
green
roof,
I
would
really
encourage
you
not
to
go
with
a
modular
system
or
a
pre-vegetated
system,
as
those
are
very
expensive,
they're
right
for
certain
projects
that
are
really
visible.
J
But
for
this
project
people
aren't
going
to
be
seeing
the
roof,
so
you
can
go
with
a
much
more
inexpensive
system
that
can
provide
tremendous
storm
water
benefit,
and
so
just
I
don't
want
to
lead
you
down
a
path
where
we've
just
like
blown
up
your
project,
budget
and
you're.
You
know
expecting
we're
expecting
you
to
put
things
up
there,
that
we
just
simply
aren't
we're
just
thinking
about
storm
water,
Urban,
heat
island,
those
sorts
of
things.
So
I
wanted
to
point
that
out
and.
G
Kate
I
appreciate
your
your
expertise
on
this
and
for
sharing
that
detail
again.
Urban
heat
island
Matt.
That's
our
issue
and
it's
not
about
Aesthetics
on
this
because
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
it,
but
this
has
got
to
contribute
to
downtown
and
it's
got
to
be
in
addition
to
architecture-
and
this
is
the
low
hanging
fruit
on
this
for
me.
So
thanks,
Kate,
yeah.
J
There's
no
issue
at
all
with
that,
so
just
to
say
that
this
doesn't
have
to
be
incredibly
expensive,
but
it
it
could
really
benefit
our
community
in
a
lot
of
ways
beyond
your
site,
a
community-wide
benefit
and.
E
Kate
and
Stephen
Lee.
Is
it
not
true
that
the
city
of
Asheville
now
recognizes
green
roofs
as
reducing
the
storm
water?
So
it's
not
a
both
end
where
you
have
to
have
the,
in
other
words,
The
Green
Roof
reduces
the
amount
of
storm
water,
quality
and
quantity
control
that
the
project
is
required
to
have.
Is
that.
J
Yes,
that
we've
worked
on
projects
that
that
has
happened.
It
really
depends
on
how
the
engineer
calculates.
Those
calculates,
the
green
roof
and
the
system
that
you
use
each
system
is
different
and
produces
a
different
benefit,
and
so
it
would
just
be
important
to
work
with
someone
who
has
some
experience
with
that.
G
And
the
data
is
there:
Brian
ought
to
back
this
up
and
even
with
local
projects
and
I.
Think
it'd
be
interesting
to
share
that.
But
the
data
is
there
to
prove
that
these
systems
are
not
only
functional
but
their
function,
National
Beyond
expectations
and
that's
why
I
just
I
keep
pushing
it.
It's
it's
simple!
It's
easy
to
ask
for
and
a
project
I
think
it
needs
to
be
required.
A
Thanks
Steven
Ricardo
has
a
question
and
I
have
a
deadline,
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
go,
and
it's
weird
because
I'm
the
chair,
but.
F
A
Gonna
go
ask
for
public
comment
after
this
is
over
bye.
L
I
just
wanted
to
add
so
Brian's
comment
about
how
that
that
mass,
that
you
know
Stone
Mass,
just
sort
of
stops,
I
I,
completely
agree.
I
would
want
to
see
something
happening
under
you
know,
maybe
something
under
the
the
big
mass
of
the
of
the
of
the
main
volume
itself.
But
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out,
as
you
explore
moving
things
around
to
activate
the
and
Street
facade.
L
Think
about
how
you
know
adding
you
know
depth
to
that
facade,
obviously,
but
also
how
how
you
respond
to
the
grade.
You've
got
a
you
know
pretty
steep
grade
there
and
you
know
it's
it's
a
little
disappointing
to
just
see
these
sort
of
peers
coming
down,
and
then
things
just
happening
in
between
them.
L
I'd
love
to
see
something
that
responds
in.
You
know
almost
well,
not
almost
in
three
dimensions,
to
what's
happening
with
the
grade
and
create
opportunities
for
the
for
the
pedestrians.
That's
all
I
have.