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A
Okay,
the
live
stream
is
all
set,
so
I
believe
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
started.
Thank
you.
C
C
D
Sorry,
hi
everybody,
sharon,
sumrall
urban
forestry,
technical
review,
commission
appointee
thanks
ed.
C
C
And
don
is
actually
the
vice
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission
thanks
tom
and
then
let's
see
I
have
zoe.
C
All
right,
I
believe,
that's
all
the
commission
members
in
attendance,
cecil
bothwell-
is
absent.
So
far,
hopefully,
he'll
join
in
sharon
hold
on
I'm
going
to
do
the
introductions
for
everyone
and
then
I'll
loop
back.
A
Hi
haley
mahoney,
branding
technician
with
development
services
and
a
staff
assistant
to
the
urban
forestry
commission.
A
C
K
Ricky
hurley
planning
supervisor
and
I'm
filling
in
for
nancy
walter
today
for
y'all.
C
L
Hey
I'm
valerie,
I
am
with
stormwater
and
in
the
capital,
improvements
pro
and
capital
improvement
projects.
Side
in
public
works,
there's
a
mouthful.
H
O
C
P
Hi,
I'm
megan
carpenter,
not
new
to
the
area
but
fairly
new
to
this
position.
I
work
with
duke
energy
as
a
public
engagement
manager
and
thank
you
for
the
invitation
glad
to
be
here.
Q
Good
afternoon
jason
walls-
I
am
the
west
region
director
with
government
community
relations
for
duke
energy,
thanks
for
having
us
afternoon.
C
Thank
you,
and
finally,
I
think,
last
but
not
least,
scott
fowler.
R
Hi,
I'm
scott
fowler
and
I
am
working
with
businesses
and
neighbors
on
north
lexington
and
rankin
avenue
in
regards
to
the
proposed
substation.
C
All
right
did
I
miss
anybody.
Okay
got
everybody
all
right
so
before
we
officially
call
to
order
sharon.
D
Hi
everybody
I'd
like
to
ask
madam
chair
for
a
agenda
revision.
I
have
a
a
quick
comment
and
probably
a
question
to
ricky
regarding
a
steep
slope
issue
on
elk
mountain
ridge,
so
I'd
like
to
add
that
to
new
business.
If
I
may.
C
Yes,
does
anyone
know,
do
we
have
to
vote
on
that
to
add,
I
believe,
to
add
an
agenda
item?
I
think
so.
So
if
you
want
to
say,
I
guess
a
motion
to
add
a
new
business
item
for
elk
mountain.
I
guess
that
is
the
motion.
Can
we
have
a
second.
E
I
C
I
N
C
C
Here,
haley.
C
C
C
E
R
C
And
I
bought
I
okay,
so
we
have
our
agenda
set,
so
we
will
officially
call
the
order.
We
need
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
the
action
minutes.
Hopefully,
everybody
had
a
chance
to
review
those
linked
through
the
documents
for
today
just
need
a
motion
and
a
second.
C
A
Let
me
see
here
if
we
got
any
callers
on
the
line.
Let
me
just
refresh
the
page.
We
did
not
receive
any
written
comments
prior
to
the
meeting
and
we
do
not
have
any
colors
on
the
line,
but
we're
good
to
move
forward.
C
Thank
you,
okay.
So
then,
first
on
the
agenda
is
the
public
works
capital
projects,
update
on
the
carter
and
stormwater
improvement
project.
C
So
I
don't
know
whoever
wanted
to
kick
that
off
and
if
you
have
a
presentation
or
if
you're
just
chatting
with
us
today,.
M
M
So
I
won't
go
into
the
entire
stormwater
project,
but
this
is
the
carter
and
patent
stormwater
project.
We
call
it
caps,
project
carter
and
patent
stormwater,
but
this
is
the
project
originated,
because
this
is
the
last
bit
of
paving
planned,
paving
along
patton
avenue
from
clingman
avenue
to
south
french
broad
before
that
road
is
paved.
We
identified
some
significant
drainage
concerns
along
that
area.
Any
of
you
that
have
driven
during
a
rain
event
there's
a
lot
of
ponding
on
the
wall.
M
There
are
collapsed
pipes
that
are
outside
of
the
right
of
way,
there's
some
flooding
along
south
and
avenue
some
flooding
along
carter
street,
just
an
old,
outdated
and
in
need
of
dire
repair,
stormwater
system
that
comes
along
with
the
planned
paving
where
we
will
reset
all
the
manhole
covers
and
valves
in
the
street,
make
and
make
patton
avenue
a
much
better
driving
situation
when
we
got
into
the
design
of
the
project
and
really
got
deep
down
into
it.
M
We
realized
that
there
are
significant
pedestrian
issues
along
this
section
of
patent
avenue
on
the
sidewalks
there's
difficulty
at
the
ramps
at
the
intersections
there's,
not
great
pedestrian,
thoroughfares,
around
drive
entrances
and
a
lot
of
issues
where
trees
have
outgrown
their
grates
or
we
have
where
the
roots
have
lifted
up
the
sidewall,
creating
tow
trips
and
other
ada
issues.
M
So
a
significant
portion
of
this
stormwater
project
is
going
to
be
reworking
the
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
this
section
of
patton
avenue.
When
we
started
looking
at
the
sidewalks,
we
really
then
had
to
look
at
one
of
the
primary
considerations
is
the
existing
trees
that
are
there.
A
lot
of
these
trees
are
diseased
or
or
dying,
or
have
really
out
yeah,
I,
I
sure,
will
they've
really
outgrown
their
their
area.
M
So
I
will,
I
will
zoom
in
here
in
the
western
side
of
clingman
avenue,
so
the
the
project
will
include
on
most
of
the
trees
except
the
ones
that
are
directly
in
front
of
this
area,
which
is
the
new
condominiums
built
a
couple
of
years
ago
called
the
patton.
That's
at
the
corner
of
klingman
and
patent
avenue.
We're
not
going
to
be
messing
with
the
trees
or
the
tree
grates
in
front
of
that
building,
but
the
rest
of
the
trees.
M
We
will
either
be
replacing
the
grapes
to
give
them
a
larger
area
to
grow
into
if
the
tree
is
completely
fine
and
doesn't
need
any
modification,
some
of
the
trees
that
are
planted
too
shallow
and
have
lifted
up
the
sidewall
or
are
creating
hazards
that
we
can't
work
around
we're
going
to
remove
those
trees
and
replace
them
in
place,
and
there
are
a
few
trees
that
are
in
really
awkward
locations
like
they're
in
the
site
triangle
of
an
intersection
or
directly
near
some
other
physical
barrier.
M
M
We
will
net
out
exactly
the
same
number
of
trees,
but
we've
worked
with
the
arborist
the
city
arborist,
to
give
us
suggestions,
recommendations
of
the
proper
trees
to
go
back
into
these
areas,
we'll
be
able
on
the
new
trees
that
will
be
put
in
they'll,
have
proper
tree
wells
planted
at
the
proper
elevation.
So
they.
N
Have
a
lot
better
chance
of
survival
and
success
along
the
corridor.
M
But
just
generally
moving
you
down
from
clingman,
there
are
so
the
trees
that
we
are
going
with,
we'll
be
cl,
planting,
11,
japanese,
elkova
and
14
ginkgos,
and
then
there's
an
alternate
of
the
little
leaf
lighten
in
there
if,
if
that
is
appropriate
at
the
time,
but
generally
you
know,
this
is
an
and
good
example
where
we
are
moving
from.
You
know
a
tree
just
a
few
feet
over
to
get
rid
of
a
hazard
and
put
it
in
a
proper
tree.
M
Well
again,
they're,
you
know
we're
not
significantly
changing
anything,
but
this
is
one
of
the
primary
vehicular
entrances
into
downtown
from
the
city
of
asheville
and
the
combination
of
the
sidewalks
and
trees
has
really
kind
of
made
it
not
not
what
it
needs
to
be.
So
this
will
be
a
upgrade
to
the
health
of
the
trees
and
an
upgrade
to
the.
N
The
longevity
of
the
trees,
because
several
of
them
were
really
in
in
bad
shape
and
mark.
M
C
Yeah
thanks
russ
looks
like
we
have
a
couple
questions:
sharon.
M
D
M
D
M
We're
going
with
a
four
by
nine
all
the
way
down.
That
seems
to
give
us
a
the
right
planting
detail,
there's
a
ton
of
existing
utilities
that
are
in
the
ground,
so
the
trees,
where
we
are
relocating
they're
they're,
going
to
be
tough
to
find
a
spot
to
dig
in
that
doesn't
have
some
fiber
optic
or
gas
lines
or
some
other
utility,
the
ones
that
are
where
we're
replacing
the
grate
in
in
the
same
area.
Those
will
be
a
little
easier
to
get
installed.
D
And
then
my
last
question
is
who's
going
to
maintain
these,
because
we
have
had
some
trees
planted
on
I'm
going
to
use
the
ginkgos
on
charlotte
street
that
have
not
been
established
at
all
and
they've
been
dead
and
replanted
and
struggling.
So
is
there
going
to
be
a
maintenance
contract
on
this,
so
that
someone
is
watering
these
the
first
year
to
establish
them.
M
We
will
not
have
a
maintenance
contract,
we
will
have
a
warranty
on
the
trees,
though,
and
we
will
you
know:
they'll
just
fall
into
the
standard
maintenance
that
the
city
public
works.
Does.
E
All
right,
yeah,
I
I
comment
more
than
a
question.
I
would
recommend
or
strongly
encourage
that
you
use
the
little
leaf,
linden
and
sort
of
forget
about
the
zelkovas
and
the
ginkgos
they.
If
you
look
around
town,
the
ginkgos
are
just
underperformers,
they
don't
produce
much
canopy
and
they
don't
seem
to
survive
very
well
and
the
zelkova's
the
same
thing.
They
tend
to
die
out
after
about
10
or
15
years
and
they're
really
prone
to
sun
scald,
because
they're
a
smooth
bark
tree.
E
The
the
little
leaf
linden
is
a
is
a
very
appropriate
species
for
this
site
and
it's
it's
an
underutilized
tree,
but
an
excellent
choice.
I
think
so
just
fyi.
If
you
look
at
the
ginkgos
that
are
outside
of
the
epa
building
on
patent
avenue,
they're
just
performing
horribly,
they
they
just
don't
do
well.
E
N
M
Okay,
well
noted,
and
I
don't
I
don't
personally-
have
a
preference.
So
that
sounds
great
to
me.
D
Yeah,
I
I
pack
up
ed:
I
take
care
of
a
shopping
center
parking
lot
and
all
the
zelkovas
have
scald
and
peeling
bark,
really
bad
they're,
high
maintenance
and
reflected
heat
areas
and
the
lindens.
I
totally
agree
with
that.
100
on
that.
D
Much
yeah
they
do
much
better
and,
and
they
do
better
canopy,
the
zelkova
just
don't
seem
to
do
a
canopy
of
any
size
it
in
that
constrained
area.
Okay,.
M
Well,
we
will
we'll
carry
that
forward,
because
that
is
great
information.
I
definitely.
N
D
C
Thanks
for
the
update
all
right
well,
next,
we
moved
up
the
agenda
item
for
the
proposed
duke
energy
substation
relocation
on
rankin
avenue
and
I'm
not
sure
if
anyone
was
prepared
to
present
anything
but
I'll
just
start
with
a
brief
overview
or
actually
rachel,
or
someone
might
be
able
to
back
me
up
with
that
right
now.
This
is
just
a
proposed
project.
Nothing
firm
in
the
works
right.
C
As
far
as
I
know
at
this
point,
this
came
to
me
through
citizens
in
the
community
who
learned
about
this
project
and
were
concerned
about
the
potential
loss
of
trees.
If
the
substation
does
move
to
the
proposed
location
on
rankin
avenue,
there's
a
line
of
trees
on
a
steep
hill
that
could
potentially
be
lost,
and
so
that's
where
this
group
comes
into
play
on
this
project,
I'm
going
to.
D
C
Wow,
okay!
Well,
I
hope
everybody,
that's
okay!
Thank
you!
For
being
here
we
are
just
starting
a
discussion
item
on
the
proposed
duke
energy
substation
relocation,
all
right
so
yeah.
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
take
this
from
here.
If
someone
from
duke
or
the
city
wants
to
fill
in
some
gaps
there,
and
then
we
can
discuss
that.
So
I
don't
know
rachel
if
you
have
anything
to
add.
H
Sure
I
can
give
the
overview
of
my
involvement
and
this
project
so
far.
So
a
couple
of
questions
that
came
up
at
the
tail
end
of
last
week.
H
One
was
why
did
this
come
through
community
and
economic
development,
as
opposed
to
initially
coming
through,
like
the
more
of
the
planning
side
of
things,
and
that
is
for
several
reasons.
H
I
got
involved
with
the
project
because
I
am
in
the
community
and
economic
development
department
which
also
houses
our
city
real
estate
office
and,
at
that
time,
house
the
harris
cherokee
center,
and
so
for
those
two
reasons,
because
the
proposed
project
was
looking
at
potentially
a
land
exchange
to
facilitate
the
new,
a
build
of
the
new
substation
and
also
looking
at
the
the
interest
of
the
herod's
cherokee
center.
H
The
removal
of
the
existing
substation
would
allow
for
increased
access
to
the
rear
entrance
of
the
event
center
there
and
possibly
allow
for
some
leeway
and
developing
a
thomas
wolf
auditorium,
and
so
we
took
that
to
council
last
fall
and
agreed
to
work
in
good
faith
with
duke
through
an
mou,
and
we
also
secured
a
write-up
entry
to
allow
you
to
do
a
little
bit
of
testing
on
the
city's
real
estate
on
that
parking
lot
property.
And
so
with
that
I
will
pause.
That's
a
very
broad
overview.
C
No,
that's,
okay!
Thank
you.
So
the
issues
that
have
come
up
are
number
one.
The
substation
must
be
rebuilt,
it's
old
and
it
needs
to
be
enhanced
and
I'm
sure,
duke
energy
representatives
can
discuss
that
further.
So
the
option
is
to
rebuild
it
in
place,
but
that
does
not
allow
the
city
the
opportunity
to
expand
the
civic
center.
The
thomas
wolfe
auditorium
cherokee
harris
cherokee
center
there.
If
the
substation
moves
across
the
street
to
the
parking
lot
that
currently
exists,
then
the
substation
can
be
expanded
and
improved.
C
But
then
the
downside
would
be
the
potential
tree
loss
disruption
to
those
businesses
on
rankin,
also
on
lexington
down
below
and
the
potential
loss
of
parking
there's
a
handful
of
parking
spots
there
for
the
city
staff.
So
those
are
the
issues
that
have
come
up.
Obviously,
with
this
group,
the
biggest
concern
is
the
tree
loss.
It's
a
very
well
canopied
and
vegetated
slope.
That
is
very
vertical.
So
there's
some
stormwater
concern
as
well.
So
at
this
point
I
guess
I'll
open
it
up.
C
If
scott
a
representative
of
the
neighborhood
residents
had
anything
to
add
before
we
have
more
discussion.
R
R
Oh
yeah
yay.
Well,
it
looks
like
for
whatever
reason
I
cannot
share
my
screen.
Google
and
zoom
are
fighting
right
now,
so.
C
That's
okay,
so
you
can
kim
suggests
you
can
forward
it
to
city
staff
to
hayley
or
myself.
We
can
try
to
present
it
for
you,
but
also
I
will
offer
this
and
I
believe
this
was
linked
in
the
agenda.
C
C
R
Great,
so
that
is
the
northern
end
of
the
parking
lot
you
can
see.
These
are
not
insignificant
trees.
Some
of
these
trees
were
planted.
Many
were
not
many
are
volunteers,
but
they
all
serve.
You
know
critical
needs
to
to
downtown
whether
it's
sound
buffering
temperature
regulation,
air
cleaning.
R
You
know
you
name
it
not
to
mention
shade
and
and
very
importantly,
to
all
those
buildings
on
north
lexington.
They
are
holding
a
very
steep
bank
solidly
in
place,
so
those
trees
serve
many
many
purposes
on
that
site.
R
And
I,
the
our
website
will
soon
have
more
accessible
images
right
now.
You're
gonna
find
that
with
each
click,
you're
just
getting
a
very
view,
but
it
is
it's
substantial
and
we
have
an
aerial
drone,
video
that
shows
all
of
the
canopies
in
the
central
business
district,
and
this
one
is
clearly
one
of
the
larger
ones.
C
All
right,
thanks
if
y'all
haven't,
visited
the
site.
I
do
encourage
that
as
well
all
right.
So,
while
we're
before
we
have
a
full
discussion,
chris
quarles,
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
opportunity.
If
there's
anything
you
wanted
to
add
from
the
perspective
of
the
civic
center.
O
I
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
lot
to
add
right
now,
other
than
if
the
substation
were
to
move,
that.
That
makes
a
big
change
for
our
ability
to
renovate
and
update
the
thomas
wolfe
auditorium.
O
You
may
remember
in
february
of
2020
right
before
the
pandemic,
we
announced
the
design
plan
for
the
thomas
wolf,
that
was
100
million
dollar
price
tag.
A
lot
of
that
major
expense
came
from
the
fact
that
we
had
to
assume
that
the
duke
energy
substation
would
not
move
because
at
that
time
there
was
not
any
indication
that
that
would
happen
so
trying
to
fit
within
our
footprint
to
meet
all
the
guidelines
of
up-to-date
theaters
was
expensive
and
challenging
so
having
that
ability
to
move
backwards.
C
All
right,
thank
you
all
right
at
this
point,
then
I'll
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
on
one
more
key
point.
So
last
friday
there
was
a
meeting
on
site
with
some
of
the
local
residents
and
business
owners
representatives
from
duke
energy
city
staff,
several
city,
council
members,
and
luckily
I
was
looped
in
on
this
meeting.
C
Don
was
there
as
well
that,
unfortunately,
we
did
not
hear
about
through
the
city
and
had
to
kind
of
hear
about
on
our
own,
but
it
was
a
good
meeting
getting
people
together
to
talk
about
the
pros
and
cons
of
a
potential
moving
of
the
of
the
facility,
so
just
to
loop.
Everybody
in
that
this
is
something
that
is
being
talked
about.
The
residents
are
very
concerned
mostly
about
the
trees
being
lost,
so
I
think
jason
had
a
hand
up
next.
Q
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
bit
of
context
about
the
station
and
thank
you
whoever
put
that
up.
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
guess
it
was
hayley
or
maybe
russ,
but
just
to
kind
of
reiterate
the
state.
One
of
the
things
that
has
to
happen
is
that
the
station
does
have
to
be
rebuilt.
The
last
significant
improvement
was
made
in
the
60s
and
for
those
of
you
who
were
may
or
may
not
have
been
around
asheville
in
the
60s.
Q
A
lot
has
changed
since
then,
and
this
station
really
supports
really
all
of
the
central
business
district
from
more
or
less,
and
I'm
just
using
a
description
here,
but
basically
from
south
french
broad,
all
the
way
over
to
kind
of
biltmore
avenue
in
that
whole
general
area,
and
so
it's
the
station.
That
is
that's.
It's
really
important.
Q
The
thing
I
wanted
to
to
stress
is
about
the
process,
so
the
company
has
has
intended
and
planned
all
along
and
and
still
does
to
go
through
the
city's
informal
design
review
process
so
that
we
can
gather
feedback
on
the
informal
plans
prior
to
submitting
prior
to
submittal
of
the
of
the
plans
for
for
consideration
of
approval,
and
so
we
anticipate
doing
that
within
the
next
couple
of
a
couple
of
three
weeks
somewhere
around
there.
Q
We
don't
have
an
exact
time
yet,
but
we're
coming
up
on
that
time,
where
we
will
be
submitting
for
informal
design
review.
Additionally,
you
know
we
are
we're
gonna,
be
holding
a
public
information,
a
public
information
meeting
on
august,
the
11th
to
collect
feedback
from
from
folks.
Q
C
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
so
I
will
open
it
up
to
commission
members
discussions
and
questions
so
cecil.
S
They
can't
get
big
sets
in
there
and
therefore
big
shows
don't
come
here.
Many
big
shows
don't
come
to
asheville
because
they
can't
they
have
to
back
in
beside
the
vanderbilt
and
if
a
truck
can't
back
in
can't
get
in
there,
they
can't
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
on
the
stage.
I
just
think
that's
kind
of
an
interesting
angle
on
this
they've
been
talking
about
wanting
to
move
that
substation
for
a
long
time.
Q
Sorry,
I
wasn't
expecting
to
participate
again.
The
it'll
be
at
the
hair
is
harris
cherokee
center
scott,
we're
still
working
out
all
the
details
with
times
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
it'll
be
the
date
is
august
11th
and
those
invitations
and
announcements
will
be
coming
out
very
very
soon,
so
that
people
can
make
plans.
N
E
Yeah,
I
you
know
it's
really
hard
to
react
to
something
when
it's
not
really
been
designed
yet
so,
but
it's
our
advantage
that
it
hasn't
been
designed
yet
because
we
can,
you
know,
strongly
encourage
a
design
that
would
be.
You
know
a
little
friendly
to
those
trees
on
that
slope
and
or
at
least
as
a
minimum
mitigate
the
loss
of
trees
completely,
and
we
could.
We
can
go
on
record
and
say
that
right
now
that
you
know
our
preference
is
that
we
don't
lose
any
trees
and
if
we
do
lose
trees.
D
Jason
will
this
be
posted
on
the
city's
website,
so
other
people
can
see
it
how's
the
method
of
delivering
to
let
the
public
know.
This
is
going
on.
C
So
sharon
besides
duke's
website,
there
is-
and
I
put
it
in
the
chat-
the
city's
website
on
the
same
project-
okay,
and
they
also,
if
they
believe,
that's
also
linked
through
our
agenda
the
city's
website.
I
As
mr
fowler's
photography
suggests,
it
is
a
significant
row
of
trees
or
grouping
of
trees,
and
I
also
want
to
reiterate
how
steep
that
slope
is
scott
mentioned
this.
It's
it's
nigh
on
a
cliff.
It's
you
can't
get
much
steeper
than
that
slope,
and
so
the
concerns
about
erosion,
slope
failure
are,
are
tremendous
on
that
site
were
the
trees
to
be
removed.
I
So
I
I'm
sympathetic
to
ed's
statement
that
it's
hard
to
respond
to
a
project
that
hasn't
been
designed
yet
could
maybe
I
missed
this?
What
is
the?
What
is
the
rationale
for
moving
the
station
across
the
street.
Q
Sure
I'm
I'm
happy
to
it
actually
dates
back
to
2013
when
a
certain
former
city
council,
member
who
may
or
may
not
be
on
this
call
talk
to
me
about.
Is
there
any
possibility
of
moving
this
substation?
It
was
one
of
our
first
interactions
back
in
2013
and
2014..
Q
So
there's
been
a
conversation
for
a
long
time
about.
Is
there
the
opportunity
for
the
company
to
move
the
station?
The
substation
is
very
similar.
Like
a
breaker
panel
in
your
house,
you
have
a
main
source
that
comes
in,
and
then
you
have
wires
that
come
out
from
that
to
power.
Your
receptacles
and
your
refrigerators
and
other
things.
Hours
are
just
larger
lines
that
power
the
community,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
purpose
of
a
substation,
so
moving
a
substation
is
extremely
difficult.
Q
You're,
looking
at
a
50
to
60
year
asset
when
it
goes
into
the
ground,
and
so
when
we
realized,
we
had
reached
the
point
when
the
station
had
reached
the
end
of
its
useful
mechanical
life
that
we
needed
to
rebuild
the
substation
and
so
realizing
that
we
could
not
move
the
substation
on
the
other
side
of
the
town.
For
instance,
because
that's
where
all
the
other
wires,
we
call
them
feeders
start
and
go
out
into
the
community
moving
it
across
the
street
is
more.
It
has
a
greater
possible
engineering.
Q
Q
It
started
almost
a
decade
ago,
with
just
general
conversations,
the
station
showed
signs
of
its
nearing
the
end
of
its
useful
life,
and
so
we
have
entertained
that
as
a
possibility,
but
have
not
really
put
the
plan
or
submitted
the
plans
for
consideration
even
from
an
informal
basis
at
this
point,
because
we're
just
not
there
in
the
process
yet,
and
so
the
reason
that
it
was
it
was
done.
Is
the
city
really
struggles?
Q
If
they
want
to
kind
of
unlock
that
larger
vision
for
the
thomas
wolfe
auditorium,
that
substation
and
its
location
is
currently
a
limiting
factor,
just
because
it
blocks
the
back
of
the
facility
from
from
greater
use,
and
so
it
started
with
a
conversation
and
then
over
time
as
the
civic
center
master
plan
was
developed
and
then
when
we
realized
it
was
time
to
replace
the
substation
it
was.
We
wanted
to
initiate
those
conversations
to
find
out
if
there
was
a
broader
interest
across
the
city
to
relocate
the
station.
I
Okay,
so
if
I
understand
you
correctly,
the
the
driving
rationale
is
to
expand
the
just
the
shows
that
could
be
brought
to
thomas
wolf
and
the
civic
center
by
making
the
loading
area
more
accommodating
to
bigger
bigger
rigs.
That's
what
it
sounds
like
that's
the
reason,
as
I
understand
other
than
that
it's
feasible
to
move.
That's
the
reason.
C
H
Yes,
thanks.
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in
about.
There
was
a
question
about
the
city's
project
page.
We
will
post
any
meetings
and
updates
as
we're
made
aware
of
them
the
meeting
last
week
we
didn't,
I
found
out
about
that
meeting
really
late.
So
that's
why
that
that
was
seemed
to
be
an
impromptu
and
informal
meeting.
H
So
that's
why
that
wasn't
put
on
there,
but
once
we
get
solid
by
details
about
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
we'll
put
that
on
our
project
website,
and
I
also
wanted
to
share
because
this
was
a
question
that
came
up
last
week
too.
The
question
was:
will
this
follow?
You
know
the
typical,
you
know
review
process,
and
it
definitely
will
just
because
it
originated
in
ced
just
in
case
that
was
a
question
that
anyone
had
out
there.
It
will
still
go
through
the
regular
processes.
G
Is
there
reason
to
think
that
there
may
not
be
a
need
to
to
cut
the
trees
for
space.
C
S
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
observe
that
as
I've
been
a
builder
for
50
years-
and
it
would
seem
to
me
from
a
practical
standpoint-
it'd
be
a
lot
easier
to
build
a
whole
new
facility
and
then
switch
the
wires
than
to
try
to
rebuild
within
the
facility
that
exists
there.
You
know
because
it
has
to
keep
working
the
whole
time.
They
can't
turn
it
off
right.
C
So,
as
far
as
a
you
know,
a
plus
to
moving
the
substation
is
you
can
rebuild
it?
Another
thing
that
came
up
in
the
meeting
last
week
is
obviously
a
new
substation
is
a
lot
different
than
what's
currently
existing.
So
it
looks
different.
It
has
different,
you
know,
components
so
potentially
could
be.
C
I
don't
know
less
impactful
in
some
way,
but
I
don't
again
any
construction
on
that
side.
I
I
think,
is
going
to
impact
that
slope.
So
I
not
sure
who
is
next
sharon.
D
G
R
One
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
to
the
commission
is
that
mayor,
mannheimer
described
the
process
of
duke's,
community
engagement
and
feedback
and
design
would
would
and
is
going
to
run
parallel
to
the
process
of
exchanging
the
land.
R
So,
instead
of
knowing
a
hundred
percent,
what
the
plan
is
for
that
property
and
then
deciding
to
exchange
the
land,
it
sounds
like
they're
going
to
run
neck
and
neck.
So
the
commission
should
be
aware
that
there
is
potential
for
problems
there.
In
the
event
the
land
is
exchanged
and
then
duke
decides
not
to
build
on
that
location
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
any
more
or
less
it's
just
the
potential
exists
for
that
to
happen.
I
I
At
the
moment
I
haven't
heard
any
questions
posed
to
us
yet,
but
nonetheless,
I
think
you
know
this
is
a
as
good
a
moment
as
any
to
point
out
that
if
plans
can
be,
if
a
proposal
can
be
put
together,
that's
specific
and
brought
to
us
for
feedback.
That
would
be
really
helpful
for
us
to
sort
of
get
a
lay
of
the
land
in
terms
of
what
the
overall
impact
to
urban
canopy
would
be.
I
I
So
can
we
produce
a
net
benefit
to
urban
canopy
long
run
for
the
city
of
asheville,
which
then
could
produce
cooling
benefits
for
the
civic
center,
because
trees
adjacent
to
the
civic
center
could
reduce
energy
costs
on
site
etc?
For
air
conditioning
and
what
have
you
and
other
spillover
benefits
to
the
community
from
an
increase
in
urban
trees
and
urban
canopies?
So
you
know
that
that's
my
unsolicited
feedback.
I
C
Thanks
parent
and
I'm
actually
really
glad
you
brought
that
up-
that
was
a
something
that
was
my
in
my
mind.
Standing
on
the
site
last
week
was
okay.
Well,
this
definitely
could
be
a
problem
and
we'll
have
to
deal
with
what
could
happen
if
it
moves,
but
then
there's
all
this
potential
of
what
could
also
happen
on
a
plus
side
by
moving
the
substation
as
well
and
what
could
go
back
in
to
the
other
site
to
improve
things
there.
So
I
think
you're
exactly
right.
C
This
is
just
an
introduction
to
get
this
group
up
to
speed
on
this
proposal,
because
again
the
the
community
does
come
to
us
and
ask
us
about
these
kinds
of
projects,
so
hopefully
we're
now
at
least
all
up
to
speed
on
on
what
is
where
it's
at
now,
which
we
don't
have
any
specific
design.
C
Another
thing
that
I
think
is
good
about
having
this
meeting
so
early
is,
you
know
now
we
have
communication
with
duke
energy,
and
I've
already
talked
to
jason
about
our
questions
with
you
know,
duke
being
technically
a
member
of
the
ufc
and
we're
gonna
keep
talking
about
that
collaboration
and
how
we
can
continue
to
communicate
and
megan
being
here,
she's
new
in
her
role,
but
having
an
outreach
and
engagement
person
that
we
can
reach
out
to
is
is
great
as
well
and
scott
being
the
conduit
for
the
local
residents
and
businesses.
C
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here
and
rachel.
Thank
you
to
for
getting
this
together
so
that
we
can
be
a
part
of
the
conversation.
This
is
something
that
we
actually
haven't
seen
that
much
in
this
kind
of
project,
where
we
have
a
voice
and
input
this
early
on.
So
just
to
reiterate
what
ed
said
early
on
for
anyone
who
is
able
to
make
decisions
about
this,
obviously
our
preference
is
to
prevent
a
loss
of
mature
tree
canopy
and
enhance
anything
that
is
lost
with
replanting
and
redesign
as
necessary.
C
A
He
did
not
have
any
updates
for
us
and
he
is
on
vacation,
so
he
will
not
be
here
today.
C
All
right
well
hope
he's
enjoying
his
vacation.
The
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance
fianlu
report
is
present
here,
not
a
whole
lot
of
changes.
Right
now
I
did
submit
our
wish
list
to
nancy
and
chris
collins
so
that,
hopefully,
as
we
get
rolling,
we
can
get
updated,
metrics
some
other
data
to
be
able
to
understand.
What's
actually
going
on
as
the
ordinance
is
rolled
out,
what's
lost,
what's
planted
what's
gain,
how
can
we,
you
know,
manage
that
with
data
over
time?
C
Any
questions
on
those
pieces
all
right
so
for
old
business,
we're
about
halfway
through
the
year
right,
so
I
wanted
to
have
sort
of
a
review
of
our
working
groups,
so
the
four
working
groups
that
are
currently
in
action
are
the
policy
working
group,
the
budget
request
working
group
fee
in
lieu
and
urban
forest
master
plan.
C
So
I
wanted
to
before
we
get
into
the
details
of
each
group
or
kind
of
as
we
go
along,
throw
it
out
there
that
if
you
are
not
a
member
of
a
working
group-
and
you
want
to
be-
we
can
talk
about
that.
You
know
we
can
change
up
on
who's
on
these
groups.
As
needed,
if
we
need
a
new
working
group
or
to
eliminate
something,
we
can
also
do
that.
So
I
wanted
to
sort
of
have
a
semi-annual
check-in
on
our
working
group.
C
So
again,
if
anyone
has
a
desire
to
be
on
a
group
or
to
start
one
feel
free
to
jump
in
we'll,
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
policy
working
group,
and
we
have
had
a
couple
meetings
mostly
on
chapter
19
revisions.
Am
I
right
the
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance
updates
on
that
a
couple
other
items
in
there
with
the
planting
and
specification
standards
a
little
bit
on
steep
slope,
but
we'll
revisit
that
under
new
business
as
well.
C
Good
and
then,
if
everyone
is
satisfied
with
their,
you
know,
membership
on
that
group
we'll
keep
that
one
rolling
with
the
four
of
us
with
me
being
on
that.
P
C
All
right,
the
budget
request
working
group,
so
we
finally
have
good
news
to
report
all
right.
So
city
council
did
approve
the
request
for
the
funding
for
an
urban
forester
and
great
thanks
to
kim
rony.
Thank
you
so
much.
She
did
so
much
work
behind
the
scenes
to
help
us
get
that
push
forward,
and
here
we
are
so.
I
don't
know
kim
if
you
had
anything
to
speak
to
on
that.
B
All
I
will
say
is
that
it
took
several
years
of
deep
advocacy
across
our
community,
including
this
group
members,
current
and
past,
as
well
as
advocates
inside
out,
including
asheville
greenworks
and
others,
to
make
the
case,
and
I'm
very
glad
that
it
has
been
made.
C
All
right
well,
thank
you.
So
that
means
that
the
urban
forest
master
plan
was
not
yet
approved,
so
there
is
still
work
to
do
as
far
as
our
budget
request.
That'll
obviously
start
right
on
up
for
next
year's
request,
but
in
the
meantime
we
are
looking
forward
to
the
actual
process
of
hiring
urban
forester
ben
woody
has
already
reached
out
for
input
from
us.
If
anyone
has
other,
you
know,
thoughts
or
wants
to
be
involved
with
that.
C
Let
me
know,
but
we're
gonna
help
with
that
and
get
that
piece
going,
and
then
you
know,
I
don't
imagine
that
as
a
commission,
our
work
will
be
any
less
important
just
because
there
is
a
staff
position
as
well.
I
think
they
can
always
be
help.
You
know
I
if
I
were
the
urban
forester.
C
I
would
love
to
have
a
group
like
this
to
support
and
work
on
the
work
that
we
do
so
as
far
as
the
budget
request
working
group,
I
know
cecil
I
had
stepped
into
that
group-
was
it
that
one
or
the
other
one
that
I
had
stepped
in,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
wanted
to
come
back
in
on
that
one.
C
Yeah,
that's
right!
Okay!
Well,
if
that's
cool,
let's
go
ahead
and
put
you
back
on
there,
because
I
definitely
don't
need
to
be
on
every
working
group.
That's
not!
I
think
the
point
of
being
chair
is
not
that,
so
I
would
be
happy
to
step
away
from
that
group,
but
then
you
know
obviously
help
you
all
in
any
way,
so
that
one
is,
I
believe,
ed
and
cecil,
and
was
it
patrick
and
dawn.
I
Thanks,
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
discussion
topic
comment
on
this
item
and
I
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
best
time
for
it,
but
I,
before
we
move
on
from
urban
forester
urban
forest
master
plan,
I
just
want
to
discuss
this
a
little
bit.
So
my
perspective
is
that
the
urban
forester
really
is
a
position,
that's
in
service
of
the
urban
forest
master
plan,
and
so
it's
like
one
of
the
support
pillars
of
the
urban
forest
master
plan.
I
I'm
not
sure,
and-
and
I
want
to
hear
from
everybody
else-
what
is
it
that
we
feel
that
can
be
accomplished
by
retaining
an
urban
forester
without
having
an
urban
forest
master
plan?
What
can
we
do
in
the
interim
while
we're
pushing
for
that
funding
for
the
for
the
master
plan,
because
this
is
real
money
that
will
be
spent
on
the
urban
forester?
And
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that's
put
to
good
use
and
that
we're
we're.
C
E
Yeah,
I
there's
a
document
that
we
developed
when
we
were
advocating
for
the
position
that
I
will
go
ahead
and
post
if
I
can
in
the
chat
board,
because
that
that
paper
really
describes,
I
think
very
well.
A
lot
of
the
critical
job
needs
that
this
position
will
perform.
E
So
we've
already
gone
through
that
thought
process
and
I'm
sorry,
if
not
everybody
had
a
chance
to
see
it,
but
but
it
it
describes,
and
we
used
it
to
base
our
argument,
and
you
know
help
you
know
to
convince
the
city
that
we
needed
this
position
their
critical
needs.
So
I
think
that
answer's
already
there
for
you,
karen
I'll
I'll,
see
if
I
can
post
it
in
the
chat
room.
C
And
we
can
also
link
it
to
the
action
minutes,
but
I
think
part
of
what
ed's
getting
at
here
is
that
there's
more
to
the
position
than
really
just
the
plan.
I
get
what
you're
saying,
but
I
think
instead
of
urban
forest
master
plan,
it
seems
to
me
that
what
parent
is
describing
is
the
comprehensive
urban
forestry
program.
C
You
know
everything
that
the
city
is
working
on
and
the
plan
is
a
piece
of
that
and
it
helps
guide
that
work,
but
I
believe,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
the
urban
forester
can
be
acting
on,
while
a
specific
plan
is
being
implemented
within
the
framework
of
the
urban
forestry
program.
If
that
makes
sense
how
those
are
slightly
separate
pieces.
I
Right
exactly,
and
so
I
want
to
create
a
space
to
discuss.
What
are
we
going
to
do
with
the
urban
forester
first,
so
we're
going
to
have
a
year
with
no
clan
and
an
urban
forester.
So
what
do
we
do
with
them?
Here's
an
idea
inventory
the
urban
forest
of
the
city
of
asheville.
I
That
would
be
a
logical
first
step
right.
The
city
has
not
done
that.
I
mean
we
have
the
davey
resource
group
inventory,
which
could
be
updated
and
it
is
due
to
be
updated,
but
so
so
anyway,
I'm
asking
for
live
discussion
right
now,
not
posting
of
written
reports
like
let's
talk
about
our
ideas
and
flesh
this.
C
Out
a
little
bit
sure
I
see
where
you're
going
an
inventory
would
be
more
than
a
one-person
job,
but
that
might
be
something
obviously
that
the
urban
forester
would
want
to
have.
You
know
in
pieces
they
could
put
together
and
manage,
but
that's
going
to
require
a
funding
request
that
I
think
that
is
actually
probably
the
one
of
the
top
priorities
of
the
budget.
Working
group
moving
forward
is
a
two-piece
approach
with
the
inventory
and
the
urban
forest
master
plan.
C
We've
been
requesting
those
together
with
the
master
plan,
including
the
inventory,
and
that's
why
the
amount
was
so
large
is
because
it
did
include
that,
but
I
definitely
think
that
an
urban
forester
would
be
anticipating
and
working
toward
that,
because
there's
a
lot
of
background
work,
you
can
do
for
a
plan
and
for
an
inventory
to
prepare
so
sharon.
D
Yeah,
I
was
gonna
talk
to
parent
about
the
document
that
was
ed,
talked
about
with
our
critical
needs
and
also
it's
great.
They
don't
come
within
the
city
and
they
come
outside
of
the
city.
It's
going
to
take
them
a
long
time
to
figure
out
the
process
of
how
the
city
functions
on
even
on
the
technical
review,
end
of
it,
where
they
will
step
in
and
it's
going
to
take
a
while
for
them
to
understand
the
development
process.
What
they're?
Looking
at
the
technical
review
committee?
What
that
is
needed?
D
What
the
ordinances
look
like,
I
mean,
there's
going
to
be
a
big
learning
curve
as
somebody's
stepping
in
and
trying
to
absorb
how
the
city
functions.
I
mean
that's
what
I
see
for
because
I'm
looking
at
it
from
my
end
of
it
from
the
technical
end
of
it,
of
course,
and
there's
a
lot
of
knowledge
that
they're
going
to
have
to
learn
on
how
to
review
the
the
whole
process
of
of
our
development
and
field
work.
D
What
that
looks
like,
because
we're
in
definite
need
of
even
with
greenworks
help
help
in
the
field
end
of
things
the
physical
end
of
things
as
well
as
the
oh,
the
other
end
of
it.
So
that's
there's
a
huge
amount
of
work.
I
see
that
they're
just
going
to
have
to
sort
what
I
call
the
wheat.
We
do.
The
chaff
kind
of
even
with
ed's
fabulous
critical
needs
document
that
we
have
all
lined
up,
which
is
very
concise.
I
Yeah
thanks
for
posting
that
reporting,
I
will
check
that
out
ed.
To
what
extent
is
the
position?
That's
been
funded,
responsibilities
defined
already,
or
does
that
remain
to
be
completed.
C
That's
still
being
worked
on.
That's
what
ben
reached
out
to
request
some
help
with,
because
it's
now
again
the
very
early
stages
to
even
start
the
hiring
process
they
haven't.
Even
you
know
posted
opposition
so
very
early
stages.
It's
definitely
going
to
take
some
time.
E
Just
a
second
yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I
I
had
hard
to
ignore
what
I
posted.
I
had
a
hard
time
posting
it,
but
I
just
emailed
it
to
haley,
and
maybe
she
can
she
can
bring
it
up,
but
it
it
like.
Sharon
was
saying
it
lists
a
lot
of
the
critical
needs
that
we
have
right
now
with
respect
to
project
and
plan
review
implementation
of
the
canopy
ordinance.
E
Things
like
that
here
it
is
listed,
essential
functions,
and
you
know,
of
course,
we're
we're
in
advisory
capacity
of
the
city,
but
the
city
really
ultimately
creates
the
job
description
and
supervises
the
employee
and
you
know,
helps,
helps
define
their
job
themselves.
So
we
don't
want
to
get
out
too
far
ahead
of
the
city,
except
that
I
know
that
they
have
this
document
as
well,
and
we
we
developed
this
in
conversation
with
people
like
ben
woody
and
chris
collins
and
others.
E
So
you
know
hopefully
it'll
provide
a
road
map
for
for
this
new
employee
one
once
he
or
she
is
hired.
C
Thanks
ed
and
we'll
definitely
make
sure
this
is
attached
in
that
action
minutes
for
today,
so
they
can
see
it
all
right.
Any
other
discussion
about
that
and
and
parent
I
do
agree.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
up.
It
is
something
that
we
can
help
with,
but
to
ed's
point
it'll
be
a
city
staff
position.
We
can
advise
but
not
dictate,
but
it's
worth
talking
about
what
might
be
some
of
the
goals
that
would
be
in
front
of
this
person.
C
Thank
you,
so
budget
request,
working
group
I'll
be
leaving
cecil
will
come
back
in
we.
As
far
as
I
think
we
should
keep
this
group
going
with
revised
goals,
obviously
for
the
upcoming
year
and
hopefully
then
somebody
knew
this
urban
forester
to
help
facilitate
some
of
that
work
as
well
all
right.
So
next
working
group
is
the
fianlu
working
group.
We
haven't
met
thanks
kim
no
problem,
so
I
I
do
think
this
is
a
group.
We
should
keep
in
place
right
now.
C
It's
ed
and
zoe
and
myself,
but
somewhat
on
hold.
You
know
I
we
can
keep
working
on
it,
but
I
do
think
this
is
something
that
the
urban
forester
will
obviously
be
working
on
and
might
be
something
that
then
we
just
can
assist
and
advise.
You
know
our
usual
role,
but
I'm
definitely
hoping
that
the
fee
and
lou
issue
the
whole.
You
know
question
marks
that
we
have
around.
That
will
be
something
that
we
can
work
with
this
person
on
and
hopefully
get
some
traction
by
having
a
city
staff
person
in
place.
C
C
Next
is
the
urban
forest
master
plan
working
group.
That
was
me
and
ed
and
zoe.
Again
and
again,
I
think
kind
of
the
same
thing
here.
This
is
something
that
we'll
keep
requesting
as
a
funding
request
that
the
urban
forester
it's
definitely
gonna,
be
something
that
they
will
be
working
on,
but
we
can
do
a
lot.
C
We've
been
working
with
asheville,
greenworks
and
kind
of
putting
some
of
these
pieces
into
place
as
much
as
we
can
to
lay
the
groundwork
so
that
when
we
do
have
funding
it
can
be
a
more
seamless
integration
and
bringing
that
online.
So
again,
I
think
we
can
keep
this
group
going
if
anyone
we
do
have
room
both
of
those
groups.
We
have
room
for
one
more
person
if
anybody
was
interested
in
being
a
part
of
either
of
those,
and
we
can
keep
those
going
with
the
anticipation
of
working
together
with
the
urban
forester.
I
Okay,
I'm
being
such
a
squeaky
wheel
today,
so
the
connected
issue
of
the
inventory,
the
update
of
the
davey
resource
group
inventory,
came
up
in
a
recent
meeting.
C
Real
quick,
sorry,
just
real,
quick,
an
inventory
would
be
an
on-the-ground
measurement
tree
by
tree.
The
davey
research
is
a
canopy
study,
they're
just
slightly
different,
so
I
just
wanted
to
update
your
vocabulary.
So
canopy
study
and
inventory
would
be
more
on
the
ground.
I
Right
so
thank
you.
So
the
davy
resource
group,
canopy,
study
being
updated,
was
sort
of
on
a
five-year
interval
was
brought
up
at
a
recent
meeting
of
ours
and
ben.
Q
I
You
gave
us
you,
you
said
something
about
this
and
I
just
wanted
to
check
back
with
you
and
see
if
discussions
have
advanced
at
all.
If
there
are
any
updates
on
updating
the
and
funding
an
update
to
the
davie
resource
group
study.
J
Aaron,
I
don't
have
an
update
right
now
at
this
moment
on
that
okay,
but
I
would
certainly
don't
mind
connecting
with
staff
and
trying
to
see
if
there
have
been
any
discussions
on
next
steps.
For
that.
I
J
C
Thanks
man,
john.
F
With
regard
to
the
canopy
study,
the
last
the
one
that
davie
resource
group
performed
was
completed
in
october
2019
and
it
was
for
a
time
period
from
2008
to
2018,
so
the
five
year
mark
from
the
time
the
study
period
would
be
2023
and
then
it
probably
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
conducted
with
that
data
until
2024.
E
Yeah
don
is
spot
on
with
that.
But
then
another
variable
is
the
availability
of
nape
imagery,
because
they
they
don't.
They
don't
apply
those
images,
but
once
every
you
know
six
years
or
so
so
it
might
even
be
20
25
before
new
images
are
available,
which
is
why
we
use
2018
data
for
a
2019
study.
So,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
throw
out
there
is
that
that
might
be
an
appropriate
use
for
fee
and
lou
funds.
E
You
know,
do
those
reoccurring
periodic
you
know
five
years
is
pretty
often,
I
would
probably
want
to
stretch
them
out
seven
to
ten
years.
To
be
honest
with
you
to
really
get
change
detection,
but
that's
just
my
own
thoughts.
F
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
add
too
that
to
me
it
depends
on
what
we're
going
to
do
with
this
data
with
these
data,
because
we
have
the
the
data
from
this
10-year
period
ending
in
2018
and
what
have
we
done
with
it
now
so,
maybe
once
we
have
an
urban
forester
in
place,
we
can
do
more
based
on
the
report,
and
I
would
just
I
don't
see
the
usefulness
in
doing
repeated
studies
if
we're
not
going
to
actually
use
what
comes
out
of
them.
E
E
What
we
have
used
the
data
for
is
to
to
motivate
the
city
to
adopt
a
canopy
protection
ordinance
and
hire
an
urban
forester.
So
you
know
the
last
study
has
done
some
utility,
but
but
you
know
don's
correcting
that
we
have
a
lot
more
work
to
do
with
just
the
old
information.
We
know
we
know
where
the
heat
islands
are.
We
know,
there's
equity
issues.
E
We
could
really
focus
on
tree
planting
projects
and
programs,
you
know,
but
it
you
know,
we
don't
have
a
plan
in
place.
We
don't
have
a
plan
because
we
don't
have
funding
for
a
plan.
We
now
have
an
urban
forester.
We
could
start
planning
some
of
the
stuff
outside
of
the
scope
of
a
comprehensive
urban
forest
master
plan.
We
could
do
pieces
of
it
so.
C
All
right,
thank
you
and
actually
that
your
answer
to
my
question
then
also
makes
me
feel
better
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
update
that
specific
data.
Quite
so
often
it's
more
of
a
like
you
said
change,
detection
tool
to
see
trends
and
would
maybe
perhaps
want
a
little
more
time
all
right,
but
thank
you
parents
for
bringing
it
up
because
we
need
to
plan
to
pay
for
it.
C
So
that's
a
good
point
and
I
did
like
the
suggestion
of
possibly
using
fee
and
lube
funds,
because
those
the
idea
would
be
those
would
be
perpetually
regenerated.
You
know
well,
hopefully,
not
people
would
preserve,
but
there
will
likely
be
money
in
that
fund,
and
so
we
could
use
it
for
something
like
that,
all
right,
any
other
points
on
the
urban
forest
master
plan
or
fianlu
or
any
of
our
other
ongoing
working
groups.
C
All
right,
thank
you.
So
next
is
the
boards
and
commission's
realignment.
The
city
has
slightly
renamed
the
that
proposal
from
restructuring
to
realignment
the
current
status.
Of
that
I
know,
sharon
has
been
going
to
some
of
the
meetings
and
me
as
well.
The
city
took
a
step
back.
They
listened
to
the
feedback
from
concerned
boards
and
commissions,
members
and
other
city
residents
and
just
concerned
people
about
the
the
speed
of
this
restructuring,
and
so
they've
actually
stepped
back
and
have
worked
on
now.
C
Collecting
more
information
specifically
from
boards
and
commissions
members
they're,
hopefully
soon
will
be
a
survey
coming
out
to
collect.
You
know
the
ideas,
the
basic
of
what
they
probably
should
have
had
at
the
beginning.
What
is
working?
What's
not
working?
What
do
we
need
to
make
things
better?
Where
should
there
maybe
not
be
changes
so
they're
working
on
collecting
that
information?
C
There
was
a
meeting
at
the
end
of
june
with
breakout
groups
to
talk
about.
You
know
what
would
a
possible
improvement?
Look
like
you
know.
What
are
the
actual
needs
and
wants?
What
would
we
want
advisory
groups
and
commissions
to
actually
do
for
the
city?
You
know
what
would
that
look
like
if
there
were
changes
or
does
what
we
have
now
match?
What
we
want
it
to
be?
I
know
sharon,
I
believe,
did
you
work
on
the
survey
group
with
that
or.
D
No,
I
was
with
haley
and
annual
reports
report's.
D
And
I
want
to
just
say
that
the
common
theme,
all
the
way
around
has
been
urban
forestry
commission
is
a
working
commission
that
works,
so
that
has
been
the
common
thing
from
everybody
all
the
way
around
that
everybody
knows
that
we're
functional
and
we
work
very
well
at
a
high
level.
So
and
that's
been
mentioned
in
many
of
the
groups
that
I've
been
in
and
been
involved
in
so
there
we
go
the
pat
on
the
head
to
all
of
us.
C
Well
and
part
of
that,
you
know
you
hear
from
other
groups
that
people
don't
attend
meetings
and
they
don't
put
in
outside
time,
and
so
you
know
kudos
to
everyone
here
who
does
attend
puts
in
time
does
want
to
do
this
work.
Otherwise
you
know
why
beyond
the
group,
so
thank
you
to
everyone.
You
know
there's
that's.
The
main
reason
we
do
function
is
because
people
want
to
be
here
and
want
to
do
the
work
and
then
do
it.
So
thank
you.
C
So
if
you
are
still
interested
in
keeping
up
or
working
on
the
boards
and
commissions
realignment,
the
link
here
takes
you
to
the
city's
web
page.
There
are
links
within
there
to
all
of
the
pieces
that
they've
been
working
on
and
dates
for
the
next
meetings.
C
Right
now,
there
are
once
a
month
meetings
for
the
next
couple
months
to
work
through
this
input
process
with
the
people
that
are
already
involved,
and
then
I
expect
perhaps
or
exactly
what
the
plan
will
be
after
all
of
that
is
collected,
but
as
of
right
now,
there's
no
plan
to
change
anything
for
this
moment
so
we'll
see.
C
But
that's
the
update
right
now
and
just
like
what
we
said
all
along
until
we
know
we
don't
exist,
we'll
keep
working
so
we'll
go
with
that,
but
feel
free
to
link
through
there,
and
you
can
also
get
on
the
email
list.
They
send
out
email
updates,
if
you're
on
their
list,
if
you're
interested
in
getting
updates
from
the
realignment
anything
else,
questions
all
right.
C
Next
item
quorum
and
public
discourse,
discussion,
so
nancy
pulled
together
the
documents
from
the
ethics
policy
and
the
social
media
policy-
and
we
wanted
to
have
this
discussion-
I'm
glad
everybody's
here.
C
Just
briefly,
it's
not
really
a
big
deal,
but
I
know
that
at
times-
and
I
have
struggled
with
this
myself,
but
at
times
we
are
asked
or
find
it
something
we
want
to
do
to
talk
about
things
going
on
in
the
city.
That
may
overlap
with
work
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
is
doing
and
the
primary
thing
that
we
have
to
be
very
careful
of
is
separating
our
personal
opinions
and
beliefs
and
desires.
C
Our
our
words
out
in
the
community,
from
our
work
as
the
commission
and
again
that
can
be
hard
to
create
that
separation,
because
we're
so
invested
in
this
group
and
in
these
other
you
know,
projects
and
items
that
come
up
in
the
community.
C
But
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
and
make
sure
that
everyone
here
is
very
clear
and
on
the
same
page,
that
all
it
takes
is
to
be
very
clear
at
the
beginning
of
any
written
statement
or
public
statement.
If
it
is
not
specifically
something
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
has
written
up
and
voted
on,
then
it
would
be
your
personal
opinion
as
a
citizen
or
resident
which
you're
absolutely
welcome
to
have.
C
So
donald,
I
miss
anything
there
all
right
any
questions
or
other
discussion
all
right.
Please
refer
to
the
documents
on
the
ethics
and
social
media
policy
and
let
myself
or
nancy
know
if
there
are
any
questions.
F
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
noticed
at
the
one
of
the
city
council
meetings
where
I
was
in
attendance.
That
folks
were
mindful
of
saying
you
know
what
their
affiliations
were,
but
also
that
they
were
speaking
on
their
own
behalf.
F
So
I
appreciate
that
and
the
I
just
wanted
to
remind
folks
that
the
tree
protection
task
force
that
greenworks
organizes
is
part
of
greenworks.
It's
not
a
part
or
affiliated
with
the
urban
forestry
commission.
There
are
commission
members
who
also
attend
those
meetings.
So
there's
some
connectivity
there,
but
the
tree
protection
task
force
is
not
a
city
task
force
in
any
way.
C
S
Every
wednesday
morning
I
broadcast
a
radio
show
from
the
building
next
door
to
dawn's
office
at
wpvm,
which
kim
helped
found
not
wpv.
I'm
sorry,
asher
left
him
yeah,
oh
well,
beep,
and
at
the
end
of
each
show
I
have
to
do
a
disclaimer
and
I
say
views
and
opinions
expressed
on
the
horse's
mouth
are
obviously
well
considered
and
correct,
but
they
do
not
necessarily
reflect
the
opinions
of
asheville
fm.
C
C
Takes
that's
all
it
takes
and
to
dawn's
point
I
did.
I
wasn't
present,
but
I
did
watch
that
city
council
meeting
and
I
really
appreciated
everyone
being
there
and
speaking,
but
just
being
clear
that
that
you're
there
for
yourself
and
not
as
commissioned
you
know
technically
as
commission
members.
So
don't.
F
Yeah,
sometimes
it's
hard
because
I
I
know
that
even
if
I
say
I'm
speaking
on
my
own
behalf,
I
am
seen
as
synonymous
with
greenworks.
So
when
I
speak
in
public
it's
I
have
to
be
very
careful
because
it's
coming
from
greenworks
and
I
feel
the
same
way
about
the
urban
forestry
commission.
So
just
choosing
what
I
speak
about
and
where
I
speak
is
important.
C
C
We
put
this
under
new
business,
although
it's
sort
of
a
carryover
from
last
month
on
county
partnerships
and
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
past
as
well.
Last
month
we
talked
about
specifically
school
properties
as
potential
tree
planting
or
project
areas,
and
that
discussion
sort
of
morphed
into
a
broader
discussion
of
these
different
partnerships
that
we
might
be
able
to
facilitate
and
engage
in
to
promote
trees
and
tree
canopy
across
a
broader
area
than
just
the
city.
Obviously,
our
focus
is
certainly
the
city
of
asheville.
C
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
this
on
the
agenda.
I
see
don
your
name's
on
here
and
I
think
that
that's
because,
as
green
works,
that
might
be
the
place
to
have
those
partnerships
more
ingrained
because
greenworks
already
does
that.
But
where
can
the
ufc
fit
in
as
support
for
that
so
don.
F
Yeah,
so
the
county,
buncombe
county
does
not
have
an
entity
that
overseas
trees
or
urban
forests
at
that
level
at
the
county
level.
So
it's
really
dependent
on
the
municipalities.
F
The
city
of
asheville
has
a
quote
unquote
tree
board.
What
what
tree
city
usa
refers
to
as
a
tree
board?
We
have
the
urban
forestry
commission,
weaverville
and
black
mountain.
F
Had,
I
don't
know
if
they
currently
do
have,
I
don't
think
weaverville
does
and
black
mountain
there's
the
swannanoa
valley,
tree
alliance,
which
covers
more
than
black
mountains,
but
I
think
black
mountain
also
has
a
tree
board.
I
don't
know
if
it's
active
still,
so
I
think
like
when
we're
looking
county-wide.
F
One
of
the
areas
we
should
start
at
is
inviting
in
maybe
other
tree
boards
to
attend
meetings
and
just
see
what
we're
about
and
maybe
how
they
can
structure.
F
You
know,
of
course,
it's
not
under
our
purview
as
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
to
go
out
and
advocate
with
the
county
or
other
municipalities
that
they
form
a
tree
board,
but
I
think
we
they
can
perhaps
learn
from
from
us
and
the
successes
that
we've
had
and
how
we
operate
and
also
greenworks
has
it
on
its
tree
protection
task
force
agenda
to
expand
our
advocacy
throughout
the
county.
F
So
that's
another
way
like
if
you're
interested
in
that,
rather
than
trying
to
go
through
the
urban
forestry
commission,
come
to
the
tree
production
task
force
and
you
can
have
an
outlet
for
that
that
enthusiasm
so
yeah,
I
I
don't
know
if
others
have
any
input
on
what
the
urban
forestry
commission's
role
is
or
could
be
with
regard
to
county-wide
practices.
I'd
love
to
hear
that.
C
E
Yeah
there's
a
statewide
organization,
the
north
carolina
urban
forest
council,
and
you
know
the
role.
One
of
the
roles
of
that
council
is
to
advocate
for
urban
forestry,
urban
forest
programs
in
communities
throughout
the
state.
But
it's
hard
to
reach
western
carolina.
You
know
it's
just
you
know
it's
it's
a
long
way
from
raleigh
and
and
as
I've
seen
in
other
states
and
have
encouraged
in
other
states
the
state
councils
sort
of
spin
off
chapters
that
will
allow
the
regionalization
of
programming,
educational
programs
or
advocacy
for
ordinances.
Things
like
that.
E
So
and
it's
something
that
I
mentioned
at
least
to
the
tree
protection
task
force
last
week
that
you
know
we
should
start
thinking
about
you
know
advocating
in
buncombe,
county
and
and
maybe
moving
towards
the
western
carolina
urban
tree
council.
You
know
as
a
as
a
splinter
group
of
the
statewide
organization.
E
Just
so
communities
can
get
together
and
and
and
share
what
they
know
and
and
share
resources.
So
I'm
certainly
not
looking
for
another
thing
to
do.
But,
but
you
know,
I
think,
if
we
find
the
right
people
with
the
right
amount
of
energy
would
probably
have
value.
F
E
Yeah,
I'm
not
either,
but
but
it's
it's
just
something
to
keep
in
the
back
of
our
minds
that
or
even
a
single
event
just
to
convene
other
communities.
To
have
that
conversation
you
know
or
or
we
can
talk
to
leslie
and
raleigh-
about
holding
a
state
conference
in
asheville.
So
we
can
bring
these
other
communities
in
so.
D
D
So
there's
also
talk
of
rewriting
their
udo
and
I
think
they're
going
to
take
a
a
part
of
what
we've
done
have
working
groups
that
submit
information
to
the
county.
And
then
I
have
no
idea,
but
I
know
she
is
going
to
go
work
on
the
open
space
rewrite
for
the
county,
so
they're
opening
up
some
kind,
I'm
calling
them
working
groups
because
I
don't
know
what
they're
calling
them,
but
they
are
forming
that
at
the
county
right
at
the
moment.
C
All
right,
thank
you
all
right,
so
I'm
not.
I
don't
think
this
is
something
we
need
to
maintain
on
the
agenda,
but
I
did
want
you
know
for
especially
any
community
residents.
You
know
people
watching
or
watching
the
recording
to
know
that
it
is
obviously
something
we
care
about.
It's
just
not
technically,
under
the
purview
of
the
ufc
to
reach
outside
of
the
city
and
projects
that
are
brought
to
us,
but
these
are
great
ideas.
I
love
the
idea
of
having
the
urban
forest
council
be
more
involved
out
here.
C
If
we
can
kind
of
help
get
them
out
here,
but
we'll
keep
talking
about
it
and
as
this
group,
if
opportunities
arise,
we
can
bring
them
up.
If
there's
any
place
that
you
see
where
we
can
make
those
connections
or
play
an
advisory
role,
that's
something
we
can
do
so.
I
Karen
follow-up
question:
for
sharon:
just
for
information
purposes,
were
you
talking
about
somebody
in
buncombe
county
working
on
open
space,
changes
in
buncombe
county
or
which
county
was
that.
D
Name:
okay,
yeah
they're,
an
open
space,
I'm
gonna
call
it
task
force
working
group.
I
O
C
D
So
I
got
a
email
from
a
a
neighbor
with
concerns
of
several
neighbors
on
a
steep
slope
b,
which
is
the
steepest
on
elk
mountain
ridge
and
what
makes
elk
mountain
ridge
kind
of
peculiar
is
that
it
doesn't
look
like
a
steep
slope
such
as
a
boat
catcher
mountain.
Does
it's
been
leveled
and
graded
and
there
are
houses
that
set
up
on
hills
and
down
in
hidey
holes,
but
it
is
still
a
steep
slope
b
due
to
its
elevation
and
certain
criteria.
D
D
But
what
has
happened
in
this
particular
area
and
I
sent
an
email
to
ricky
about
it-
is
that
when
I
they
said,
hundreds
of
trees
were
pulled
out
and
they
wanted
to
know
why
or
actually
were
more
trees
going
to
be
put
back
in
and
how
could
they
do
this?
D
The
standard
question
we
get,
and
so
I
pulled
on
excel
all
that
I
could
find
and
I
found
a
permit
to
pull
out
12
trees
that
were
disease
and
invasive,
and
I
did
go
by
and
check
the
site
and
it
is
a
nice
single
family
home
being
built
in
a
hole
and
a
almost
a
one
to
two
meaning.
D
Almost
a
very
steep
drive
going
down
and
it
does
look
like
and
I'm
gonna
guess
that
over
100
trees
have
been
removed
and
I
could
not
find
a
grading
plan
for
it
or
a
planting
plan.
I
found
a
grading
plan
for
the
driveway,
but
not
a
planting
plan,
so
I
sent
ricky
one
of
my
infamous
emails
to
and
said
hey.
What's
up,
I
couldn't
find
the
grading
permit.
I
knew
they
had
one
they
had
when
I
walked
by.
D
They
had
several
no
trespassing
signs
and
I
did
not
want
to
trespass
on
the
property
and
look
down
to
see
what
was
going
on.
So
I
tried
to
do
it
the
proper
and
polite
way
and
do
it
from
the
street,
and
it
was
hard
to
tell
so
I
sent
to
monty
on
the
grading
and
he
said
they
did
have
a
grading
permit,
which
I
assume
they
did
and
what
brings
me
to
and
I'm
sure
ricky's
gonna
whether
they
sent
somebody
I'll
give
you
some
information
on
it.
D
But
what
I
said
at
the
beginning
of
when
we
started
to
form
the
tree
the
tree
canopy
719,
is
that
a
lot
of
planners
don't
know
when
someone
fills
out
an
application
that
that's
on
a
steep
slope,
and
I
want
big
black
letters,
big
red
letters,
steep
slope,
a
steep
slope
b
on
the
application
so
that
when
a
a
new
planet
to
the
area
or
even
an
old
tired
planter
to
the
area,
looks
at
the
application.
They
can
see
that.
Well
it's
a
b.
D
Maybe
they
don't
need
this
whole
requirement
when
they're
removing
all
these
trees.
If
it's
an
a,
but
if
it's
a
b,
we
need
a
planting
plan
because
it's
required
to
this
percentage
of
the
slope
to
all
the
things
that
are
required
in
b,
and
I
couldn't
find
that
on
this,
that
the
planner
may
have
not
known
it
was
on
a
b
and
then
again
the
planter
may
have
known
and
for
some
reason,
ricky's
going
to
tell
me
later
that
they
didn't
need
to
do
a
plan
for
that
particular
development
for
the
trees.
D
They
removed
a
planting
plan
for
trees
that
are
going
to
go
back
in
so
I
was
just
waiting
for
ricky
whenever
he
had
time
to
put
it
all
together
in
his
busy
schedule
what
the
process
was
for
that
particular
development.
D
But
my
thing
is,
as
I
like
to
see
as
amy
and
I
chatted
on
the
email,
a
steep
slope
working
group
come
together
and
tune
up
the
steep
slope
to
say:
if
we're
going
to
fill
out
an
application,
let's
somehow
get
on
there,
that
it
is
a
steep
slope,
whether
it's
a
or
b-
and
these
are
the
requirements
for
it,
so
they
make
sure
to
be
adhered
to.
K
Sharon
we
we've
got
smoke
going
out.
We
had
a
lot
of
people
out
last
week,
but
I
will
say
that
the
approved
grading
plan,
which
is
also
the
zoning
approved
plan,
shows
the
limits
of
disturbance
being
the
driveway
and
the
house
footprint
itself.
There
was
no
other
tree.
Removal
authorized
by
that
approval,
so
hundreds
of
trees
removed
would
be
a
violation
of
the
zoning
permit
and
the
steep
slope,
and
so
we
wouldn't
allow
anybody
to
remove
extra
trees
and
staff
approve
a
landscaping
plan.
K
K
D
Real
quick,
I'm
sorry.
This
is
an
aside.
The
neighbors
wanted
to
pull
the
plans,
and
you
know
how
it's
required
to
have
those
boxes
on
site
that
show
what
work
is
being
done.
They've
got
one
way
down
below
behind
their
no
trespassing
signs.
So
the
neighbors
told
me
they
couldn't
go.
Look
at
the
plans
because
my
first
was:
did
you
look
at
the
plans?
D
So
a
part
of
that
also
is
allowing
access
to
plans,
so
the
neighbors
can
see
what's
going
on
and
open
up
that
white
box
and
pull
it
out
and
and
see
if
there's
a
plan
or
not
so
I
mean
if
that
was
adhered
to,
that
that
would
save
a
lot
of
people's
problems
that
they
could
just
look
something
up
on.
What's
going
on,
does
that
make
sense.
K
K
G
D
G
D
Is
there
a
planting
plan
here
because
that's
my
first
thing:
did
you
check
the
box
for
the
plan
so
they
have
their
plans
posted
you
know,
so
I
mean
that
the
more
information
you
give,
in
my
opinion,
the
more
information
you
give,
the
neighborhood
the
happier
everybody's
going
to
be
because
they're
not
trying
to
contact
us
and
go
well.
Why
did
they
do
that?
You.
G
D
K
I
will
speak
to
the
inspections
coordinator
for
the
building
side,
because
zoning
typically
doesn't
go
out
to
residential
sites
unless
there's
issues,
that's
the
building
code
and
the
grading
inspectors
are
the
ones
that
should
be
looking
for
plans
on
site.
As
far
as
the
pre-construction,
you
know,
pre-grading
review
and
or
the
inspection
process
for
the
footer,
so
they
should
be
doing
having
plans
on
site
and
access
to
that
yeah.
C
Well,
no,
I
was
just
this
is
fine.
I
was
just
you
had
made
a
good
point,
sharon
or
a
question,
and
I
just
don't
know
if
it's
something
that
we
need
to
have
a
real
formal
process
for,
but
can
the
plans
that
are
in
steep
slope
have
some
sort
of
marking
to
make
it
very
obvious
and
clear
to
everyone
who
looks
at
that
plan?
That
is
steep
slope.
So
you
know
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
we
need
to
form
a
whole
working
group
around
which
we
certainly
can.
C
K
I'm
looking
at
this
one
in
particular,
and
it
says,
see
the
permit
for
conditions
and
we
know
not.
Everybody
always
goes
back
to
read
all
the
the
magna
carta
of
conditions
in
the
permit
set
so
I'll
I'll
double
check
to
make
sure
we're
stamping
conditions
on
the
plant
sets
too.
D
That'd
be
good,
we
I
know
on
like
level
twos
and
threes
it'll
have
on
a
checklist,
deep
slope
and
but
on
the
single
family
housing.
It's
not
as
it's
not
looked
at
as
as
closely
as
level
twos
and
on
up
you
know.
Oh.
K
D
No,
it's
like
they
need,
because
a
lot
of
people
come
in
and
buy
a
home
and
a
steep
slope,
and
I
know
when
I
bought
here,
I
I
didn't
know.
D
I
was
on
steep
slope
a
and
couldn't
take
my
dead
pine
trees
out
or
blah
blah
blah,
so
it
was
a
learning
curve,
even
for
me
in
2004,
so
I
mean
we've
got
to
give
a
benefit
of
the
doubt
that
the
the
people
that
are
moving
here
that
are
new
from
here
these
people
are
from
out
of
the
area
need
to
know
if
they
don't
know,
because
a
lot
of
this
just
really,
I
need
to
do
that.
Really,
you
know.
D
So
it's
just
more
information
again
the
happier
everybody
is
and
then
we
get
to
save
some
of
our
tree
canopy
if
at
all
possible.
C
C
And
if
you
all
could
loot
me
in
then
we
can
update
this
group
next
month
as
well
or
at
our
next
meeting,
all
right
anything
else
on
that
one
thanks
sharon
for
bringing
that
to
our
attention.
C
A
Yeah
I'd
be
happy
to
so
the
city
clerk's
office
have
reached
out
to
us
to
let
us
know
that
we're
going
to
be
facing
back
to
in
person
soon.
The
first
test
phase
will
happen
in
september
and
they're
looking
to
see
which
groups
might
be
interested
and
being
part
of
that.
A
S
I
opposed
it
seems
to
me
that
it
it's
antithetical
to
an
environmental
viewpoint
to
drive
to
get
together
when
we
don't
need
to
drive
to
get
together.
I
I
don't
get
that
also
with
omicron
kicking
up
again
and
they're,
expecting
it
may
get
worse
during
the
summer
and
we'll
see
about
that.
But
my
main
position
is:
why
get
into
a
car?
S
I
guess
we
could
all
bike
like
amy
used
to
do
to
the
to
stacy
meetings,
but
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
do
that.
G
C
To
bike,
but
honestly
in
nashville,
I'm
a
little
afraid
in
most
of
our
places
to
bike,
but
so
thank
you
for
that.
I
have
a
feeling.
This
is
gonna,
come
down
either
way
cecil.
Would
you
be
able
to
attend
if
we're
in
person.
S
It
would
depend
entirely
on
on
at
this
point
anyway.
The
the
covet
thing
we're
still
getting
300
to
400
cases
a
week
in
buncombe
county
and
you
don't
know
who's
got
it
that
two
people
I've
been
working
for.
Fortunately
I
was
working
outdoors,
but
they
just
came
down
with
it,
and
I
mean
it's
and
people
are
still
dying.
You
know.
I
Yeah,
the
last
time
we
met
in
person,
everybody.
I
Of
masking
up
and
everybody
in
the
room
was
masked,
except
for
by
dilla,
and
his
child
were
sitting
there
with
no
masks
on
throughout
the
entire
meeting,
in
a
room
with
closed
doors,
and
so
to
me,
that's
that's
kind
of
a
deal
breaker
to
have
a
tolerance
for
people
to
just
like
choose
whether
or
not
to
wear
their
masks.
A
I
don't
know
that
we
can
mandate
that
that's
something
I'll
have
to
ask
the
city
clerk's
office.
C
I
So
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
that's
that's
a
big
deciding
factor
for
me
personally
and
whether
or
not
to
to
attend.
So
if
there
isn't
an
allowance
for
that
rule,
then
that
means
I'm
a
no.
C
All
right,
thank
you
I'll
jump
in
and
say
I
I
personally
think
other
than
the
health
issues.
I
think
our
discourse
is
better
served
in
person
and
our
discussions
are
better.
We've
done
a
really
good
job.
I
commend
this
group
for
our
ability
to
perform
virtually,
but
I
am
in
favor
of
in
person
primarily
for
the
ability
to
sit
there
with
y'all
and
look
at
you
and
have
those
conversations.
C
The
health
concerns,
but
again
I
have
a
feeling
that
again,
this
is
at
the
discretion
of
the
city
clerk's
office,.
A
A
Again
we
won't
have
our
choice
on
the
matter
when
they
pick
the
date
for
us
to
go
back,
but
it
should
be
shortly
after
september,
if
not
not
september.
C
Yeah
haley,
I
would
agree
that
this
group
is
sounding
like
wait
until
we
are
have
no
choice
on
it.
Okay,
thank
you,
and
I
appreciate
it
all
right,
thanks
everybody
for
your
input
on
that
one,
okay,
the
last
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
august
meeting
I'm
going
to
be
on
vacation
and
will
not
be
able
to
attend,
and
I
believe
dawn
is
also
on
vacation
and
will
not
be
able
to
attend.
C
So
I
wanted
to
ask
this
group
if
there
was
opposition
to
canceling
the
august
meeting,
our
working
groups
are
still
welcome
to
meet
as
we
go
along,
but
to
reconvene
in
september.
C
The
only
thing
we
can
consider
is,
if
there's
an
alternative
compliance
request,
we
could
either
see
if
they're
able
to
postpone
you
know
the
applicant
is
able
to
postpone
until
september,
or
we
could
possibly
have
a
special
meeting
just
for
alternative
compliance,
but
I
don't
know
I
guess
something
we
want
to
discuss
or
make
a
motion
and
vote
on,
but
I
just
don't
know
if
we'll
be
actually
able
to
hold
a
meeting
in
august
with
at
least
two
people
being
absent.
D
Well,
that
brings
us
to
the
alternative
compliance
issue
I
mean:
do
we
need
a
full
board
on
alternative
compliance,
or
will
the
city
be
okay
with
us
not
reviewing
an
alternative
compliance?
Is
that
an
option
yeah.
C
So
I
asked
and
currently
there's
no
applications
on
the
table
at
this
moment,
and
so
we
were
going
to
wait
and
see
if
any
thing
comes
through
and
then
at
that
time
ask
the
applicant
if
they're
able
to
delay
you
know
if
it
wouldn't
cause
a
burden
for
them
to
delay
till
september
and
if
they,
if
it
would,
if
we
need
to
vote
on
it
either.
C
You
know
see
if
it's
possible
to
have
a
quorum
for
a
regular
meeting
time
or
set
up
an
alternative
meeting,
if
need
be
so
it
kind
of
it's
kind
of
in
the
air.
But
at
this
moment
we
don't
have
that
on
the
table.
We
don't
have
anything.
D
I'm
good
with
canceling
it
and
waiting
to
see
if
we
do
have
an
alternative
compliance
sitting
on
trc.
I
see
everything
in
advance
and
I
don't
see
anything
coming
up
so
far.
I've
got
to
review
four
of
them
this
week
and
if
I
think
one
of
them
says
on
there,
they
need
to
go
to
alternative
compliance.
I'll
shoot
you
an
email,
but
I
haven't
so
far
not
seen
anything
coming
through.
D
A
Haley,
so
there's
also
level
ones
out
there
that
you
know
might
submit
for
alternative
compliance
at
this
time.
I'm
not
expecting
anything
but
I'll
know
by
the
deadline
is
next
monday
at
noon,
so
we'll
be
able
to
follow
up
next
week
with
the
definite
on
whether
or
not
we've
received
any
applications.
C
Good
and
I
guess
the
alternative
is,
if
anyone's
interested,
I
don't
know
the
technical
way
this
slows
down,
but
if
somebody
wanted
to
step
in
and
run
the
meeting
and
have
discussions
if
we
had
a
quorum,
we
can
have
a
meeting.
I
just
don't
know
with
the
chair
and
vice
chair,
absent
exactly
how
that
works.
So
I
would
just
hate
to
schedule
the
meeting
and
then
knowing
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
hold
it
if
that
means
so
all
right,
so
I
don't
know
I
figured
just
for
the
formality.
P
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you
for
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record
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