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B
All
right
well
welcome
everybody
to
the
september
2022
meeting
of
the
asheville
urban
forestry
commission.
My
name
is
amy
smith.
I'm
the
chair
of
this
illustrious
group.
So
we'll
do
some
introductions
to
start
us
off
I'll.
Just
go
kind
of
around
the
commission
members,
as
I
have
you
on
my
screen
here
so
we'll
start
with
sharon.
C
Sharon
hi
everybody
sharon,
sumrall
urban,
forestry,
commission
and
representative
for
technical
review
committee.
B
B
G
B
All
right,
so
that
is
our
commission
members
here
today
we
have
some
city
staff
with
us,
so
I'll
start
with
nancy.
A
Hi
nancy,
watford,
stormwater,
supervisor
and
stephanie
is
on
to
urban
forestry
commission.
B
Thank
you,
ricky.
B
Thank
you
mark.
B
B
Good
to
have
you
here
all
right,
welcome
everybody,
so
we'll
start
off
with
approval
of
the
minutes
from
not
last
month
our
last
meeting
was
july.
So
if
everybody
had
a
chance
to
review
those
minutes
in
the
action
minutes,
we
need
a
motion
and
a
second
so
move.
B
G
I
I
Great,
thank
you,
scott.
It's
nice
to
have
you
with
us
today,
I'm
going
ahead
to
close
the
line.
If
you
don't
have
any
public
comment
at
this
time,.
B
L
Well,
it's
been
a
pretty
typical
august.
We
just
finished
out,
you
know
all
the
usual
running
around
getting
fallen,
trees
out
of
the
road
and
taking
down
dead
ones
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
I've
begun
working
on
my
planting
list
for
next
spring
got
about.
I
think
it
was
eight
cbd
tree
locations
that
are
on
the
list.
So
far
I
tend
to
prioritize
cbd
because
of
urban
heat
island
effect,
and
that's
about
it
for
right
now,
unless
you
have
any
questions.
B
Okay,
all
right
is
there
any
other
questions
for
mark
all
right.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
I
guess
chad
and
mark.
We
have
you
on
here.
So
in
light
of
actually
some
tree
falls
recently,
we
invite
you
both
to
talk
to
us
about
the
tree
removal
process.
I
know
this
is
a
bit
complicated
because
of
public
and
private
land
issues,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
all
wanted
to
start
off
this
conversation
with
some
information
and
we'll
see
where
we
end
up.
L
Well,
the
removal
process
is
not
super
complicated
until
you
run
into
private
property
or
ncdot
roads
or
whatever,
which
is
what
occurred
in
the
most
recent
situation,
you're
speaking
of
otherwise,
if
it's
just
city
streets,
you
know
the
tree
is
either
brought
to
my
attention
by
a
citizen
who
lives
next
to
it
or
behind
it
or
whatever,
or
I
notice
it
while
I'm
driving
to
go.
L
Look
at
one
of
those
trees
that
some
citizen
called
me
about,
and
the
tree's
evaluated
for
its
structural
condition
and
its
amount
of
live
leaf
area,
and
if
it
looks
like
it
one
that
needs
to
go
away,
then
it
a
work
order
is
generated
by
me
and
the
tree
is
put
in
the
queue
and
I've
had
essentially
one
functional
tree
crew
for
the
last
three
years.
So
the
queue
is
really
long.
L
And
we
work
on
them
as
soon
as
we
get
to
them
according
to
priority,
and
and
that's
about
it.
If
we're
talking
about
this
situation,
specifically
on
merriman,
the
tree
was
brought
to
my
attention
and
I
went
and
took
a
look
and
compared
the
appearance
of
the
tree.
It's
it's
stem
angle
and
the
height
of
the
branches
above
the
road
compared
that
to
google
street
view.
L
Images
from
I
guess,
going
back
to
2008,
I
think,
is
when
they
started
doing
those
those
that
photography
and
it
was
evident
to
me
the
tree
is
moving,
and
so
I
got
in
contact
after
a
certain
amount
of
difficulty
with
folks
from
the
church.
L
Let
them
know
of
my
concern,
though
I
later
learned
that
somebody
from
the
forest
service-
I
can't
recall
if
it
was
state
or
federal,
had
gone
out
there
and
done
an
exist,
a
resistive
graph,
examination
of
the
roots
and
found
them
to
be
fine.
L
The
tree
failed
at
the
roots,
so
I
don't
know
how
much
experience
that
person
had
with
the
resistograph
or
or
whatever-
and
I
don't
know
if
they
did
any
kind
of
photography
comparison,
but
yeah
the
tree
wound
up
failing
at
3am.
Luckily,
if
we,
because
we
can't
really
tell
the
state
okay
we're
going
to
shut
down
highway
25,
you
know
they're
we're
also
in
the
process
of
trying
to
reach
out
to
dot
and
trying
to
work
out
some
sort
of
process
by
which
we
can
coordinate
on
these
things.
L
It's
not
uncommon
for
me
to
absorb
work
on
trees
along
dot
rights
of
way.
For
example,
we
just
got
done
doing
another
year
of
deadwooding
on
the
sycamores
out
at
beaver
lake.
That's
highway
25!
Those
aren't
my
trees,
but
I
don't
want
them
dropping
branches
on
passing
cars
and
you
know
runners,
so
you
know
I
jump
on
that
grenade
and
so
anyway.
Hopefully
our
attempts
to
communicate
with
d.o.t
will
bear
fruit.
So
to
speak
soon,
and
so
we
can
work
out
some
sort
of
process
by
which
we
can
work
with
them.
On
these
situations.
J
To
this
entire,
so,
like
mark
said,
he
was
contacted
and
he
reached
out
to
the
church,
because
the
tree
was
rooted
on
private
property
along
airman
avenue,
ncdot
us25.
J
So,
within
that
same
time
frame
I
actually
received
a
call
from
a
d.o.t
supervisor
that
had
been
contacted
by
someone
with
concerns
about
the
tree
and
they
immediately
called
me
because
this
was
actually
one
of
the
treasured
trees
from
the
treasure
tree
program.
J
I
don't
know
what
five
six
years
ago
now
give
or
take,
and
first
thing
he
said
he's
was
you
know
unless
I'm
directly
directed
I'm
not
touching
this
tree
with
that
sign
on
it,
and
I
mean
I
can
understand
why,
because
of
that-
and
you
know,
with
all
the
other
complexities,
d.o.t
route,
private
property.
So
on
so
forth
I
picked
up
the
phone
called
eric
eric
bradford
at
greenworks.
I
said
eric,
you
know:
can
you
offer
some
advice
here,
because
it
was
one
of
the
treasured
trees
eric
made
some
phone
calls?
J
I
then
I
think
my
next
phone
call
was
from
ed.
I'm
assuming
eric,
probably
contacted
him
and,
just
like
mark
said,
the
church
had
contacted
someone
to
do
some
investigation
of
it
turns
out
a
resistograph,
and
verbally
we
got
a
clean
bill
of
health.
From
for
that
tree,
I
think
ed
was
promised
a
report
that
he
never
received
and
eddie
was
going
to
send
that
on
to
me
once
he
got
it,
but
I
mean
if
he
doesn't
get
something
he
can't
send
it
to
me.
J
J
So
really
what
in
post
conversations
with
mark
and
ed-
and
I
talking
about
this
situation-
ed's
suggestion
was-
maybe
we
come
in
front
of
you
all
today
kind
of
like
the
old.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
remembers,
maybe
cecil
you
may,
but
the
old
citizen
review
committee,
I
think,
is
what
it
was
called
when
there
was
a
call
on
a
tree
to
cut
or
not
cut
and
somewhat
controversial-
and
I
know
this
one's
in
in
hindsight
and
there's
nothing
we
can
do
about
putting
the
tree
back
up.
J
Obviously,
but
not
so
much
of
was
there
anything
done
right
or
wrong,
no
fault
findings.
What
we're
looking
for,
but
more
of
like
mark,
said
earlier
procedural,
because
we
do
have
the
ordinance
in
chapter
20
that
says
public
works
director
can
order
it
to
be
taken
down,
but
this
one
was
was
complex
and
that
it
was
the
ot
route,
not
our
route.
It
is
city
limits,
so
I
mean
it's.
J
It's
a
complex
issue
there
and,
like
mark
said,
we
have
reached
out
to
d.o.t.
I
asked
them
I
was
like
who
do
they
want
at
the
table
to
discuss
this?
The
future
issue
of
such
of
this
kind
of
complexity?
J
H
The
tree
was
pretty
visible
to
people
in
the
community
as
well,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
chatter
on
next
door
neighbor
about
the
tree
and
that
it
was
it
was
leaning
further
and
further,
and
when
the
tree
eventually
failed,
there
was
more
chatter
about
the
city,
not
doing
anything
about
it.
You
know,
even
though
the
city
was-
and
it
was
a
complicated
issue,
but
I
guess
there
is
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
H
Folks
are
pretty
gun
shy
about
trees
falling,
especially
after
the
incident
that
occurred
at
biltmore
and
and
and
and
so
they
there
was.
There
was
this
expectation
that
grew
out
there
that
the
city
somehow
respond
to
this
event
in
a
way
that
assures
the
community
that
it
doesn't
happen
again,
because
if
the
tree
had
fallen
at
two
at
three
o'clock
in
the
afternoon,
the
outcome
could
have
been
a
lot
worse.
B
Yeah
well
we'll
continue
the
discussion
don
good.
F
Thanks
first,
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
mark
for
taking
care
of
trees
that
are
not
really
under
your
purview
and
owe
you
a
debt
of
gratitude
for
that,
and
also
so.
This
is
a,
as
you
said,
a
complicated
issue,
and
I
just
want
to
assure
you
that
the
treasured
trees
program
well,
its
aim
is
to
honor
and
recognize
trees
in
our
communities
for
building
awareness
and
protection
for
trees.
F
It
doesn't
offer
any
legal
protection,
and
I
know
you
know
that,
but
I'm
just
also
stating
this
for
the
record.
So
if
you,
I
appreciate
you
reaching
out
to
greenworks
to
eric
to
talk
about
this.
F
F
It's
a
shame,
I
mean
I'm
glad.
No
one
got
hurt
or
worse
when
that
tree
fell
and
at
the
same
time
it's
it's.
It
could
have
the
effect
of
people
actually
taking
down
trees
more
so
than
protecting
them,
because
they're
afraid
that
trees
are
going
to
fall.
So
I
wish
we,
like
you,
said
hindsight's
20
20,
but
we
can.
You
know,
work
together
to
make
the
best
decision
for
all
involved.
J
J
This
is
not
something
to
be
taken
lightly
kind
of
thing.
So,
but
no,
I
do
appreciate
you
verbalizing
that.
F
G
G
I
have
immediately
confronted
this
in
my
own
property,
the
question
of
whether
to
try
to
save
a
tree
or
which
could
be
maybe
cabled
and
maybe
saved,
or
have
it
cut
down,
because
if
it
splits
it's
a
double
trunk,
that's
splitting
at
the
bottom,
if
it
splits
it
will
destroy
my
vehicles,
maybe
my
house-
and
maybe
my
neighbor's
house-
it's
a
tough,
very
tough
decision
to
make
I
mean
I
am
obviously
the
reason
I'm
here
is:
I
want
to
save
trees.
G
C
So
this
brings
me
to.
We
cannot
possibly
know
all
the
complex
questions
or
answers
we're
gonna
get
through
here,
but
it
brings
me
to
chapter
20
and
putting
in
there.
I
don't
do
social
media,
but
I
do
we'll
answer
three
questions
on
next
door
and
I
did
read
about
that
and
I
was
finally
went
and
saw
some
email
stuff
going
on
and
knew
that
behind
the
scenes
there
was
a
whole
lot
of
stuff
going
on.
C
So
I'm
thinking
as
urban
forestry
commission
goes
on
that
we're
probably
going
to
need
some
kind
of
social
media
guru
to
respond
to
certain
things
when
necessary
to
let
the
public
know
that
this
is
being
handled
and
that
we
have
some
kind
of
methodology
in
chapter
20
giving
a
few
scenarios
I
mean
we
cannot
possibly
come
up
with
all
the
scenarios,
but
in
this
case
we've
got
a
private
tree.
Ncdot
is
a
hazard.
C
What's
our
flow
chart
and
do
we
have
like?
Let's
just
say:
chad
bandy
is
our
contact
and
he
contacts
his
contact
at
ncdot
and
we've
got
some
kind
of
order
so
that
in
the
future,
when
we
get
something
crazy
like
this,
because
we
will
it'll
just
have
a
different
iteration
that
we've
got
some
kind
of
flow
chart
with
it
and
then
for
me
at
the
bottom
of
this
social
media.
Is
I
mean
I
don't
do
facebook
or
any
of
the
other?
C
So
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
believe
that,
like
me
on
trc,
we
may
need
somebody
that
monitors
our
social
media
to
come.
If
we
need
to,
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
or
not
and
let
the
public
know
that
this
is
being
handled,
I'm
not
sure
that's
necessary
on
our
part,
but
it's
a
discussion.
I
think
we
could
have
so
that's
my
two
cents
on
that.
H
Of
the
situation,
there's
two,
I
think
two
issues
at
hand.
The
first
is
what
cesar
was
alluding
to
and
that's
you
know:
does
the
tree
stay
or
does
it
go
and
and
there's
a
a
very
good
process
or
protocol
that
exists?
That
should
be
followed
and
it's
based
on
national
industry
standards,
nca
300
part
nine,
which
is
the
risk
assessment
standard
and
mark,
is
familiar
with
this
and
and
mark
you're
you're
you're
track
qualified.
H
Aren't
you
yeah
just
renewed
okay
and
I'm
I'm
track
qualified,
but
but
but
when,
when
there's
an
issue
at
hand,
that
protocol
should
be
followed
and
it
answers
basically
answers
the
question:
should
the
tree
be
removed
or
not,
based
on
the
likelihood
of
the
tree's
failure
and
the
consequences
of
that
failure
and
and
whether
or
not
that
risk
can
be
mitigated
some
other
way.
H
So
there
is
a
decision
process
there
and
with
future
revisions,
chapter
20
it
really
encouraged
the
city
to
adopt
that
standard
as
a
methodology
for
determining
hazard,
because
it's
a
very
effective
protocol.
The
second,
the
second
issue
is
when
we're
dealing
with
multiple
ownerships.
H
In
this
case,
private
owner
d.o.t,
but
a
public
perception
that
the
city
has
overall
responsibility
for
public
safety,
that
there's
got
to
be
a
protocol
in
place
for
making
emergency
decisions
under
life-threatening
situations
and
where,
where
the
city
can
make
a
call
to
remove
the
tree,
even
though
the
city
may
not
own
it.
H
If,
if
that
tree
could
potentially
kill
somebody,
as
was
this
case
and
again,
I
think
that
as
sharon
was
suggesting,
that
requires
a
rapid
form
of
communication
of
a
communication
tree,
but
but
some
way
to
move
quickly
and
and
mitigate
this
risk
when
it
exists
and
again
that's
the
revision
of
chapter
20.
I
think.
L
I
routinely
send
out
certified
letters
to
private
property
owners
who
have
trees
that
are
determined
by
me
to
be
an
a
non-tolerable
risk
next
to
our
roads,
and
if
they
take
no
action,
we
remove
those
trees.
You
know,
there's
nothing
gets
in
our
way
when
it's
our
road,
the
the
problem
with
this
being
dot's
road
and
a
four-lane
highway
really
hung
me
up
this
time
around
because
trying
to
close
dots
traffic
lanes
without
their
blessing
or
participation.
L
You
know
the
state
doesn't
doesn't
take
well
to
cities
telling
them
what
to
do.
You
might
have
noticed,
and
so
that's
where
I
I
really
want
to
have
some
sort
of
communication
and
process
protocol
in
place
with
dot,
because
I
want
us
to
be
good
partners
on
these
kind
of
things.
I
mean
one
so
that
you
know
I'm
not
necessarily
taking
care
of
their
work
for
them,
but
also
just
to
keep
people
safe.
H
I
I
think,
there's
got
to
be
some
sort
of
rapid
response
element
to
this
too,
sometimes
waiting
for
certified
letters
to
get
delivered
and
people
act,
and
you
know,
get
estimates
through
trees
and
that
process
can
take
weeks
where
clearly,
this
whole
series
of
events
transpired
in
about
two
weeks.
If
not
well,
I
I
know
from
when
I
first
looked
at
the
tree
to
when
it
fell.
H
It
was
about
a
two-week
period,
so
I
so
you
know
maybe
a
discussion
with
d.o.t
on
how
we
can
act
quickly
in
a
situation
like
this
and
and
the
city
needs
to
think
about.
It
is
a
certified
letter
enough.
Do
you
redirect
traffic?
L
No,
when
the
situation
dictates,
we
we
don't.
You
know,
stick
with
the
30-day
nasty
gram
you
know,
so
you
know
we're
we're
aware
that
time
is
of
the
essence
in
a
lot
of
cases,
and
so
this
last
one
really
had
me
wound
pretty
tight
and
I'd
had
communication
with
the
property
owner.
You
know
so
the
the
30-day
letter-
that's
usually
the
icebreaker.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Cecil.
G
J
Yeah
cecil,
that's
a
good
point
because,
as
many
of
you,
I'm
sure
are
aware
that
d.o.t
is
happy
to
basically
have
us
maintain
every
road
within
the
city
except
for
u.s
primaries
or
primary
routes.
Numbered
highways,
u.s
25
in
this
case
and
interstates
so
and
you're
exactly
right
to
see
so
a
numbered
primary
going
through
a
city
is
not
unique.
To
asheville
I
mean
it's
probably
every
municipality
in
the
state.
E
So
I
would
recommend
that
the
policy
working
group
work
with
city
staff
to
put
together
the
protocols
that
ed
and
sharon
has
suggested.
E
So
we
have
some
movement
on
this
and
I
believe
and
that
when
we
revise
chapter
20-
and
we
got
to
the
rig
assessment
portion
of
that
ordinance-
that
we
did
include
that
assessment
protocol
that
you
mentioned
earlier
in
that.
B
All
right,
so
patrick
is
suggesting
that
the
policy
working
group
be
the
body
to
take
this
on
further
for
more
discussion,
ensuring
that
as
a
group,
whatever
we
can
do
to
assist
and
communicate
with
city
staff
to
you
know,
work
through
these
issues
and
avoid
them
in
the
future.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
vote
on
that
or,
if
everybody's
just
good,
with
shuffling
it
on
over
to
the
policy
working
group.
B
I'm
sure
the
working
group
is
good
with
dealing
with
that,
but
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
anybody
else
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
that
we
could
change
up
that
configuration
of
people
if
we
needed
to.
J
Amy
before
before
any
of
that,
I'll
just
add
that
you
know
if
myself
or
mark
can
be
of
any
assistance
on
that
of
you
know
what
is
city
policy
capabilities
so
on
so
forth,
we're
happy
to
be
involved
and
then
also,
as
we
have
response
from
d.o.t
about
follow-up
conversations
because
and
like
mark
said,
I
think
the
action
is
pretty
clear
when
it's
cut
and
dry,
it's
going
to
fall
in
our
road
know
this
when
we're
bringing
in
another
partner.
It's
that's
what
makes
it
more
complex.
J
B
I
appreciate
that
chad
yeah
I
take
that
for
granted.
We
know
how
to
get
a
hold
of
y'all,
so
we
can
do
that.
But
if
you're
already
in
communication
with
ed,
for
example,
he's
on
the
working
group
feel
free
to
loot
me
in
on
any
of
those
messages
for
coordination
but
yeah,
we
know
how
to
get
ahold
of
you
guys
and
what
we're
talking
about
is.
B
The
working
group
has
proposed
revisions
to
chapter
20
and
worked
through
some
of
those
already
that
we're
hoping
to
work
with
public
works
and
others
to
get
some
of
those
revisions
implemented.
So
this
would
be
working
together
with
that
piece
and,
if
need
be,
clarifying
things
like
you
said
for
communication
and
and
whatnot.
G
L
Well,
if
I
see
a
notch
face
cut
in
it,
pointing
it
toward
my
road,
I'm
gonna
get
suspicious
season.
G
B
Yeah
yeah
yeah
city's
not
there
for
that
all
right
any
last
comments
on
this
or
questions.
B
B
So
as
we
meet
for
the
policy
working
group
we'll
see
about
you,
know
I'll,
look
backward
look
forward
how
we
can
coordinate
the
different
groups
on
this
issue
really
appreciate
your
time,
chad
and
mark.
J
B
Bye
all
right
next
on
the
agenda
is
the
an
update
on
the
hiring
process
for
the
urban
forester.
So
nancy
did
you
have
an
update
for
us
or
I
can
take
it.
A
I
mean
not
really
so
not
really
chris
collins
and
I
are
working
on
creating
what
is
called
the
pdq.
So
it's
this
document
that
we
send
to
hr
that
then
helps
establish
the
roles
and
responsibilities
from
that
we're
pulling
from
the
job
description
that
y'all
so
back.
C
A
Job
description,
ed
and
I
think
amy
and
a
couple
other
folks,
were
really
instrumental
in
helping
develop
the
job
description
with
us,
so
we're
taking
that
putting
it
into
our
hr
form
and
working
on
getting
the
position
established
at
then,
which
point
we
can
post
the
position
and
start
the
interview
process
a
recruitment
process.
A
I
think
chris's
nice
target
is
to
have
that
up
and
rolling,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
the
month.
So
I
think
our
goal
is
posting
by
the
end
of
month.
I
know
we
have
a
work
session
on
this
tomorrow
to
hopefully
complete
the
documentation
that
our
hr
needs
to
be
able
to
establish,
like
houses
fit
in
our
organization
for
other
people's
roles
and
responsibilities,
and
how
do
they
align
to
make
sure
that
they
are
classed
correctly?
That
sort
of
thing?
So
that's
where
we
are
any.
A
A
Absolutely
that
was
that
is
on
our
our
things
to
do
list.
A
B
Okay,
okay,
that
was
it
thanks
nancy.
Were
there
any
other
questions?
Thank
you
and
then
we
have
the
tree
protection
ordinance
report.
A
Probably
not
so
the
fee
in
lieu.
A
A
That
sort
of
thing,
I
think,
that
the
cbd
projects
that
we've
seen
come
through
haven't
gotten
to
final
construction
permitting,
which
is
where
we're
still
not
seeing
those
numbers
come
up
yet.
C
C
C
M
A
Is
their
kind
of
final
step,
because
sometimes
it's
a
moving
target
a
little
bit
and
then
they
have
to
get
paid
before
we
issue
the
permit.
So
that's
it!
It's.
E
B
All
right
any
other
questions
for
nancy
all
right,
moving
on
to
old
business,
so
we
have
our
working
groups
that
are
still
in
operation,
so
the
policy
working
group-
let's
start
with,
I
don't
know,
patrick
if
you
want
to
talk
about
the
719
revision
and
the
possible
issue
along
the
grove
park
in
golf
course.
B
That
was
the
one
that
you
sent
to
me,
where
they
weren't
sure
if
it
was
a
street
tree
violation
or
private
property
with
trees
coming
down
along,
I
think
was
kimberly.
E
Oh
from
catherine,
I
can't
remember.
C
C
I'd
looked
it
up
on
the
buncombe
county
gis
to
see
if
it
was
private
or
if
it
was
public.
E
So
I
think
I
think
we
resolved
that
issue
in
terms
of
I
believe
that
mark
foster
weighed
in
on
that,
and
we
you
know,
let
the
constituent
know
that
you
know
719
is
not
going
to
protect
every
tree
in
the
city
of
asheville,
and
that
in
that
you
know
it,
it
really
is
geared
toward
a
new
develop
new
development,
and
so
the
last
I
heard
from
her.
She
reluctantly
accepted
those
explanations,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
additional
to
add.
C
I
remember
it
now:
it
was
a
development
on
patent
avenue,
but
I'm
not
grove
park
yeah.
That's
why
that
was
a
development
that
that
ed
was
involved
in
with
greenworks
or
the
tree
protection
long
time
ago,
walking
the
property
with
them,
but
their
development
happened
before
even
7-eleven
three
happened.
That's.
F
C
That
was
a
that
was
down
on
patent
down
on
lower
patent,
so
yeah
and
I
sent
you
emails.
I
have
all
the
information.
I
accelerated
send
her
all
the
violation
reports.
There
was
no
violation
so
and
that's
because
all
of
this
occurred
the
development
way
before
anything
was
in
place.
B
Okay,
so
we
don't
have
a
specific
issue:
okay,
so
then
backing
up
the
policy
working
group
is
working
with
the
city
to
go
through
revisions
to
719
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordnance,
so
that'll
be
worked
on
and
amended
soon,
so
we're
currently
working
with
the
city
on
their
revisions.
B
Anything
else
there
from
the
group
on
chapter
19
or
article
19,
pardon
me
and
then
chapter
20.
As
I
mentioned
previously,
we
already
have
a
revision
ready
and
we
have
been
in
communication
with
public
works,
as
hopefully
the
primary
city
department
to
work
on
revising
chapter
20.,
patrick.
E
Yes,
you
know.
D
E
Greg
schuler
the
link
to
the
existing
version
of
the
chapter
20
revision
that
ed
and
I
and
the
policy
working
group
worked
on.
I
didn't
get
a
response
from
him,
but
responding
to
his
email
responses
to
you.
E
E
You
know,
that's
a
big
assumption
there
and
they
weren't
comfortable
with
going
ahead
with
any
kind
of
ordinance
amendment
to
the
city
council
with
that
change,
because
we
may
or
may
not
have
an
urban
forester.
E
E
B
M
Just
a
reminder
that,
within
the
role
of
advising
the
city
council
on
the
matters
in
the
mission
of
the
urban
forestry
commission,
once
a
recommendation
is
made
I'll,
happily
carry
it
forward
to
the
full
council.
But
I
haven't
yet
heard
a
formal
recommendation
made.
H
Yeah,
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
ready
to
make
the
recommendation
yet
there's
a
couple
of
things.
We
need
to
reconcile,
particularly
that
heritage
tree
issue
which
really
crosses
over
into
chapter
19
as
well
into
the
canopy
amendment.
So
we
need
we
need
to
create
some,
we
need
we.
I
we
need
to
rehash
that
and
then
I
need
to
double
check
the
the
section
related
to
trees
at
risk
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
that
language
right.
H
So
the
policy
committee
needs
to
circle
back
one
more
time
and
and
quite
frankly,
I
would
prefer
to
offer
the
recommendation
with
public
works
buying
into
it.
It
makes
it
a
lot
easier,
so
we
need
a
little
more.
B
Yeah
well,
and
it
was
so
far,
it's
been
a
positive
email
thread,
the
most
recent
communications
with
public
works,
so
we
just
have
to
keep.
I
don't
want
to
say
pressure,
but
the
the
urgency
around
it
to
keep
it
going.
I
appreciate
that
reminder
kim.
Thank
you.
B
B
So
we
met
after
before
right
before
I
think
I'm
confusing
the
dates
probably,
but
regardless
we
had
made
one
big
step
forward
with
the
urban
forester
being
approved
and
hired
in
one
thing
about
that,
I
was
in
a
meeting
that
a
somebody
suggested
that
the
urban
forester's
contract
was
just
for
one
year
and
I
talked
to
ben
woody
and
clarified
that
it
is
a
permanent
position.
B
B
Do
we
have
more
requests
that
we
want
to
continue
the
budget
request
working
group
going
forward
for
next
year,
so
I
want
to
open
up
for
discussion
if
we're
ready
to
talk
about
that
now
or
if
we
wanted
to,
you
know
possibly
think
about
it
or
anyway.
Where
are
you
all
at
with
future
requests
for
next
spring
and
summer?.
B
I
agree
for
what
so
that's
what
we
have
to
talk
about
is:
what
is
the
next
priority
that
we
need
to
ask
city,
council
and
the
city
to
fund
don.
B
All
right
so
don
go
ahead.
F
Just
thinking
too,
you
know
the
care
and
maintenance
of
our
existing
trees.
The
program
for
that
is
deeply
underfunded.
F
We
have
a
backlog
of
yeah,
I
don't
know
how
long
mark
was
saying
it
was
really
long
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
cure
is
if
it's
more
funding
or
more
staff,
which
requires
more
funding,
but
I
think
we
should
consider
that
as
well
as
we're
looking
at
funding
opportunities.
L
Mark
well
in
the
I
guess
I
had
mentioned
earlier
in
the
last
three
years,
I've
been
running
on
one
tree
crew.
Essentially
it's
just
kind
of
a
conglomeration
of
the
pieces
of
the
two
tree.
Crews.
We've
not
been
able
to
attract
and
retain
people
to
fill
those
roles.
L
You
know
we
we
get
applications,
sometimes
from
people
who
are
not
very
desirable
candidates
for
one
reason
or
another,
and
the
people
who
would
know
what
they're
doing
or
have
any
kind
of
a
previous
experience
or
whatever,
especially
you,
know,
positions
you
can't
just
train
them
up
to
the
level
they
should
be
in
that
position.
You
know
like
a
lead
climber,
for
example,
that
person
has
to
have
years
of
experience.
You
know
you,
you
can't
just
teach
them.
You
know
when
they
come
to
us,
and
so
you
know
we.
L
We
had
our
position,
study
and
everything
here
recently
and
you
know,
there's
increase
in
pay,
but
it's
it's
still
not
keeping
up
with
the
market.
But
then
again,
even
the
private
sector
is
having
a
heck
of
a
time
attracting
and
retaining
good
people
for
their
positions.
We're
not
the
only
people
with
a
help
wanted
sign
hanging
out,
so
I
would,
I
would
love
it
if
we
had
more
assets
to
put
toward
this
stuff.
L
L
D
D
L
No,
not
really,
I
have
a
contract
line
and
it's
been
getting
better
some
years
lately,
but
contractors
charge
twice
what
it
costs
us
to
do
things
and
my
contract
line
will
usually
you
know,
cover
around
a
dozen
work
orders
or
something
at
you
know
twice
the
price
of
us
doing
it,
and
that
doesn't
make
a
very
big
dent.
In
my
to-do
pile
my
to-do
pile
for
high
priority
work
is
two
years
deep.
L
L
Weeds,
oh
well,
yes,
don't
even
get
me
started
on
the
mowing
program
that
we've
had
such
a
trouble
with
this
year.
You
know
the
medium
priority
stuff,
which
is
you
know
things
that,
yes,
that
would
be
good
management
for
us
to
take
care
of
that
situation.
That
kind
of
thing
you
know
you're
looking
three
four
five
years,
that
kind
of
stuff
and
but
we
also
have
an
urgent
pile
which
luckily
isn't
as
thick
and
that's
things
like
extremely
fragile
dead
trees.
L
Next
to
the
road,
for
example,
like
ash
trees,
I
don't
know
how
familiar
you
are.
The
group
is
with
ash
trees.
You
know
as
soon
as
asian
or
emerald
ash
borer
kills
an
ash
tree.
It
seems
like
instantaneously.
It
turns
into
this
brittle
mess
and
stems
this
thick,
you
know,
can
break
off
pretty
easily
with
minimal
wind
loading
or
anything,
and
so
I
put
things
like
that.
L
You
know
real
high
up
and
we
were
able
to
get
to
those
you
know
far
quicker
than
two
years
and
then
there's
just
stuff
that
just
falls
out
of
the
woods.
You
know
three
times
a
week
or
you
know
a
lot
during
thunderstorms
that
we
can
spend
all
week
cleaning
that
stuff
up
after
a
thunderstorm
and
that's
putting
us
another
week
behind
on
on
dealing
with
the
things
we
really
need
to
deal
with.
So
I
would
love
it
if
this
stuff
was
faster.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Mark
dawn.
F
Got
a
punchy
group
this
afternoon.
I
just
had
a
question
maybe
to
address
in
the
committee,
but
with
funding
for
say
a
tree
inventory
would
that
come
through
like
which
department
would
that
come
through?
Would
that
be
through
public
works
or
development
services?
You
know
when
we
did
the
tree
canopy
study.
It
was
channeled
through
public
works
because
we
were
under
that
at
the
time.
B
B
E
Yeah
I'd
be
willing
to
step
off
of
that
of
you
or
someone
else.
Take
my
place.
B
That's
very
sweet.
I
am
out
of
time
to
take
on
more
obviously
I'll,
be
working
on
that
in
the
background
with
my
current
role,
but
personally
I
won't
be
able
to.
But
you
know
this
might
be
something
that
we
do
we'll
get
to
it
farther
down
the
line,
but
we
are
missing
one
member
when
parents
step
down,
so
perhaps
our
new
member
will
have
some
time
to
pick
up
on
some
of
these
initiatives.
B
So
it's
up
to
you,
patrick.
We
don't
have
to
have
four
people
on
a
working
group.
That's
just
the
maximum.
B
Okay
sounds
good,
so
obviously
the
budget
request
working
group
can
formulate
your
work
and
plan
as
you
see
fit,
but
it
sounds
like
the
urban
forest
master
plan
as
a
whole.
The
tree
inventory
as
a
subset
or
potential
separate
piece
to
the
plan,
and
I
do
like
the
idea
of
at
least
talking
about
how
to
help
the
city
with
care
and
maintenance
of
existing
public
trees.
So,
but
you
guys
can
work
on
that.
B
E
B
All
right,
good,
okay,
which
actually
brings
us
to
the
the
last
two
working
groups,
the
fee
and
lou
and
urban
forest
master
plan
that
are
zoe
ed,
and
I
we
met
a
couple
weeks
ago
now,
and
we
talked
about
with
the
urban
forest
master
plan
in
particular
that
tree
inventory.
Being
you
know
really
the
next
step,
it
can
either
be
bundled
with
the
plan.
Typically,
the
contractors
that
help
write
and
formulate
and
coordinate
an
urban
forest
master
plan
also
do
tree
inventories.
B
Many
of
them
also
have
the
software
that
helps
manage
those
inventories
going
forward.
So
that
would
definitely
be
a
piece
of
it.
It
could
be
broken
out
if
city
council
so
choose
to
fund
parts
and
not
the
whole
thing.
That
could
be
a
piece
on
its
own,
but
we
definitely
agree
that
that
is
a
recommendation
for
funding
and,
as
a
group,
we're
also
working
on
a
scope
of
work
for
an
urban
forest
master
plan.
B
We
talked
a
lot
about
you
know
what
do
what
would
we
do
with
this
money?
You
know
what
are
some
of
the
top
priorities
we
talked
about.
You
know
what
we've
talked
about
in
this
group:
a
lot
the
land
acquisition
tree
planting
things
like
that.
B
The
other
piece
of
it,
though,
that
came
out
of
that,
was
what
we
don't
have
as
a
city
is
a
framework
that
can
be
used
to
make
those
decisions,
and
so
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
try
to
at
least
get
something
together.
This
involves
many
departments,
many
stakeholders.
Anyone
when
you
talk
about
money,
you
know
10
people
will
have
10
different
ideas
on
how
to
spend
it.
So
a
framework
will
be
the
help
right.
How
do
you
make
that
decision?
So
sharon.
C
I
don't
know
whether
camel
remembered
or
not,
but
we
had
a
major
development
come
through,
that
they
were
showing
to
the
city
and
what
they
were
going
to
do
and
sage
councilwoman
sage
turner
asked
if
fee
and
lou
monies
could
be
used
for
the
trees
and
she
wasn't
aware
that
7-11-3
would
apply
and
7-19
would
apply,
and
so
I
thought
kind
of
an
odd
request
that
she
would
ask
if
they
wanted
to
use
fee
and
loo
money,
and
he
said
no,
because
it
was
obvious
that
he
didn't
know
fee
and
lou
money,
and
nor
was
it
an
appropriate
question
for
the
development
process
which
got
me
to
thinking
that.
C
Do
we
have
a
framework?
Do
we
know
who's
going
to
the
order
of
things
who
gets
to
assign
monies
to
whatever
development?
And
can
anybody
ask
to
say
hey?
I
need
some
money
over
here
to
do
this
tree
type
of
thing.
So
it
got
me
when
I
heard
her
ask
that
which
shocked
me.
I
went
well
because
I'm
not
part
of
that
group-
I
didn't
know
whether
we'd
even
gotten,
to
the
part
of
what's
the
order
of
things.
C
So
I
was
glad
to
hear
you
say
that
so
that
we
could
like
inform
everybody
down
the
road
that
this
is
not
available
to
anybody
to
just
ask.
We
have
major
criteria
that
have
to
go
on,
not
that
you
can't
ask,
or
we
don't
want
you
to
ask,
but
it's
got
to
fit
into
the
parameters
of
what
it
was
designed
for.
B
Yeah
you're
exactly
right
other
than
how
the
ordinance
was
written.
There
is
not
a
framework
in
place
and
that's
what
makes
it
complicated
because
you
know
we're
hoping
to
put
this
together
because
it
won't
be
just
the
ufc,
obviously
deciding
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
so
many
other
people
and,
like
you
said,
other
potential
uses
that
maybe
we're
not
envisioning
off
the
bat
so
yeah.
It
has
to
be
broad
and
flexible
and
yet
specific
and
targeted.
B
So
we're
going
gonna
see
what
we
can
put
together
and
then
we
definitely
will
bring
it
to
the
whole
group
for
input.
We
want
it
to
be
something
that
can
be
taken
to
the
rest
of
the
city
as
something
that
could
be
adopted.
So,
but
it's
coming,
it's
not
going
to
be
fast,
but
if
anybody
has
ideas,
you
know
if
you're
up
late
at
night
and
something
comes
to
you
about
how
this
might
work,
send
me
an
email,
I'd,
love
to
know.
M
Kim
you
may
already
have
this
on
your
to-do
list
when
you're
reviewing
fee
and
lou,
but
has
it
been
under
consideration
that
if
a
development
commits
to
fee
and
lou
and
then
for
whatever
reason
the
project
doesn't
go
through
to
certificate
of
occupancy,
when
will
there
be
a
notice
sent
that
that
fee
in
lieu
is
no
longer
going
to
be
going
through?
The
pipeline
would
be,
I
think,
an
important
matter
for
consideration.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
I
don't
know
if
it's
exactly
like
that,
but
there
is
in
the
reporting
we
get.
There
is
what
they
call
it
paid
and
assessed.
So
there
are
categories
of
probably
coming
and
already
here
so
yeah.
We,
I
personally
don't
consider
it
to
be
there
until
it's
there
so
but
yeah
exactly
good
point.
We
can't
plan
for
money.
That
is
not
there.
B
Any
other
questions
or
comments
on
fianlu
or
the
urban
forest
master
plan
all
right.
Oh
one
thing
about
working
groups,
so
I
talked
with
the
policy
working
group
about
having
a
like
a
lead
or
a
communications
lead.
Basically,
I
mean
I
don't
personally
mind
if
there's
a
leader
of
every
meeting
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
do
think
there
needs
to
be
someone
in
each
working
group.
Who
is
the
communications
liaison
primarily
with
me,
so
that
we
can
report
back
like
for
agenda
work
and
stuff
like
that.
B
So
just
somebody
in
the
budget
request
working
group
I'll
need
to
take
on
the
the
role
of
leader
just
to
keep
the
communication
flowing
so
that
as
a
group
we
know
what's
going
on
and
then
I'm
happy
to
do
that
for
the
two
groups
that
I'm
in
for
fee
and
lewin
urban
forest
master
plan.
But
that's
just
something
I
really
it'd
make
it
easier
for
me
to
know
like
who
I
can
go
to
for
an
update
for
those
groups,
patrick.
E
Was
there
ever
a
determination
made
whether
or
not
feel
money
could
fund
the
forest
master
plan
or
part
of
it.
B
I
don't
so
no,
not
a
yes
or
no.
As
far
as
I
know
it
is
generally,
you
know
what
in
our
interpretation
of
it
it's
possible,
but
when
it
comes
down
to
practicality,
I
don't
know
who
will
say
yes
or
no
to
that.
B
Nobody
that's
exactly
the
whole
problem
that
we're
talking
about
it.
There
isn't
there
there's.
There
is
absolutely
no
procedure
in
place.
Okay
and
that's
yeah
and
that's
what
we're
working
on
is.
Is
there
isn't
a
chain
of
command?
There
isn't
a
one
person
or
even
two
people
or
two
departments
right
now,
it's
just
there.
B
B
Well,
you
can
take
that
on
right
away
because
patrick
was
for
the
of
her
policy,
but
for
budget
requests.
Are
you
talking
about,
then?.
B
I
got
it
well,
I'm
on
that
one.
I
appreciate
that,
but
yeah
we'll
see
right
now
we
have
four
on
that.
One.
G
D
This
may
be
sort
of
an
off-the-wall
type
question,
but
when
we
were
talking
about
the
urban
forest
master
plan,
ed
mentioned
that
there
are
funds
in
the
inflation
reduction
act
for
urban
forestry,
and
so
I
was
wondering
if,
if
we
were
to
pursue
some
of
that
funding
to
fund
parts
of
that
plan,
who
would
that
go?
Who
would
actually
apply
for
that
type
of
grant?
I
mean,
would
it
be
the
urban
farce
commission,
or
would
it
be
a
city
entity
and
is
that
a
possibility.
H
Yeah
and
there's
1.3
billion
dollars
in
the
activity
spent
over
a
period
of
ten
years
and-
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
u.s
forest
service
just
last
week,
and
they
they
told
me
that
their
intention
is
to
target
larger
cities
major
metropolitan
areas.
First
with
the
funding,
so
you
know
places
like
atlanta,
new
york,
los
angeles,
chicago,
but
they'll
be
subsequent
waves.
H
I
probably
I
don't
expect
that
we'll
probably
see
money
for
a
year
or
two
coming
out
of
that,
but
then
subsequently
we
will
and
the
money
will
be
delivered
through
the
u.s
forest
service
to
the
state,
forestry
agencies,
so
the
north
carolina
forest
service
and
then
subsequently
it'll
be
available
to
grants
to
cities
and
non-profit
organizations.
So
in
this
case
greenworks
would
partner
with
the
city
of
asheville.
H
For
for
the
funding,
you
know,
I
wouldn't
wait
on
the
promises
of
that
money
being
available,
and
you
know
the
money
is
matching
funds,
so
the
city
would
have
to
either
ante
up
anyway
or
we'd
have
to
use
a
lot
of
volunteer
hours.
But
when
you
use
volunteer
hours
for
a
project
like
that,
you
begin
to
compromise
the
quality
compared
to
what
you
get
with
professional
resources.
H
So
so
my
advice
to
the
group
is
that
we
just
push
ahead.
Looking
for
funding
to
do
this
locally
and
and
if
that
other
money
comes
available,
then
we'll
be
able
to
fund
implementation
of
the
plan
and
it'll
be
to
our
advantage,
because
we'll
already
have
a
plan
in
place.
H
H
Not
right
away,
but
it's
possible
and-
and
it's
really
to
our
advantage-
and
I
think
one
of
our
arguments
to
to
develop
the
plan
because
the
money
will
be
coming
and
we'll
be
better
prepared.
If
we
do
have
a
comprehensive
plan,
we'll
be
ready
to
know
how
we
need
to
spend
it
where
to
spend
it
best.
So.
F
F
That
I
don't
know
if
any
other
board
or
commission
has
such
a
thing,
but
it
seems
like
there
should
be
coordination
and
probably
beyond
just
green
works,
for
you
know,
in
partnership
with
the
city,
to
apply
for
funding
to
help
support
this.
Not
ever
all
the
funding
will
come
out
of
the
city
budget.
You
know
that's
why
we've
been
waiting
so
many
years
for
the
urban
forester
and
urban
forest
master
plan,
but
if
we
could
raise
money
jointly,
that
might
help
speed
things
up.
G
I
B
I
think
it
could
fall
under
there
as
long
as
everybody
on
that
group
is,
is
good
with
that,
at
least
to
start
the
work,
or
at
least
the
conversation
if
it
ends
up
being
different
or
bigger
than
we
can
talk
about
breaking
that
off.
B
That
work,
okay,
cool
and
so
yeah.
I
like
the
idea
of
because
that
also
meets
one
of
our
goals
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
of
coordinating
more
with
other
non-profits.
You
know
we've
we
had
riverlink
here
and
there
was
some
good
traction
there.
So
you
know,
perhaps
that
could
be
where
we
branch
out
to
those
other
relationships
as
well.
B
All
right,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
put
zoe
so
that'll,
be
ed,
dawn,
zoe
and
cecil,
coordinate
amongst
yourselves
and
loot
me
in,
especially
if
you
need
any
assistance
or
or
help
reaching
out
to
anybody
cool
all
right,
I'll
put
in
a
plug.
For
this
thursday.
There
is
a
river
redevelopment
summit
at
new
belgium,
starting
at
10
10
to
noon.
B
If
anybody
is
interested
in
I'll
be
there,
I
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
be
about,
but
it
sounds
exciting,
so
see
if
we
can
start
some
of
that
coordination
between
the
trees
and
rivers,
all
right,
good
working
group
discussions
all
right.
So
next
we
have
the
boards
and
commissions
realignment.
Just
a
brief
update.
I
am
I
know.
B
Sharon
and
I
have
been
trying
to
stay
on
top
of
this
as
much
as
we
can
it's
a
shifting
target,
but
where
we
stand
right
now
is
the
city
has,
in
writing
committed
to
pull
back
from
the
idea
that
any
boards
and
commissions
will
be
eliminated
or
merged.
For
now,
the
city
council
committees
are
going
ahead
with
their
realignment.
B
B
So
if
there's
any
other
questions
or
comments
around
that,
but
I
think
that's
our
path
forward
is
to
do
quality,
work
and
and
make
sure
that
the
city
knows
about
it.
So
all
right.
C
Sharon,
sorry,
I
couldn't
get
my
hand
up.
Some
of
you
may
be
getting
in.
Email
is
survey
about
questions
on
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work.
The
subcommittee
group
that
I'm
on
on
surveys
will
meet
in
person
and
talk
over
what
should
be
sent
out
as
a
survey
questions.
C
So
if
you
get
it
be
honest
and
fail
it
out
to
the
best
of
your
ability,
because
it's
the
only
way
we're
gonna
find
out
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work
with
boards
and
commissions,
and
I
mean
I'm
always
saying
that
we
work
great.
Everybody
knows
we
work
great,
we're
we're
fabulous
boarding
commission
so,
but
there's
a
lot
of
them
that
are
not,
and
so
we've
got
to
find
out
where
they're
failing
and
how
they're
failing.
So
we
can
either
dismantle
them,
regroup
them
or
change
the
tactics.
C
B
Thank
you.
Sharon.
That's
right,
yeah,
be
on
the
lookout
for
the
survey
all
right,
anything
else,
good.
So
the
duke
energy
rankin
street
project
that
we
we
had
a
big
discussion
about
it
at
our
last
meeting.
Currently
that's
on
hold.
I
don't
personally
have
any
other
information
about
it,
except
for
that.
It's
just
a
big
pause.
B
I
don't
know
of
any
plans
in
any
direction
on
that
project,
except
for
that
it
is
not
right
now,
so
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
any
other
updates.
If
anything
comes
through
I'll,
certainly
update
everybody
as
I
hear,
but
I
don't
have
any
other
information
other
than
nothing
right
now.
B
I
think
that's
where
it
is
all
right,
haley's
going
to
update
us
briefly
on
the
remote
meeting
policy.
We
talked
about
that
for
a
moment
at
our
last
meeting,
but
there's
a
update
from
the
city.
I
So
it
sounds
like
later
this
month
the
council
is
going
to
be
voting
on
kind
of
like
a
final
decision
on
the
policy
of
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
an
option
for
remote
meetings
for
boards
like
ours.
I
think
the
more
quasi
judicial
boards
and
that
sort
of
thing
are
going
to
be
required
to
meet
in
person,
but
is
my
understanding
that
advisory
boards
will
have
a
selection
between
remote
or
in
person,
but
the
catch
here
is.
I
G
As
I
have
advocated
repeatedly
in
these
meetings
and
elsewhere,
I
I
recognize
that
in-person
meetings
give
a
lot
of
feedback
from
facial
expression
and
so
forth
that
it's
different
than
online,
but
at
the
same
time,
if,
if
the
tree
commission,
the
urban
forestry
commission's
intent
is
to
green
the
city,
I
don't
see
how
we
can
argue
for
everybody
driving
to
a
central
point.
When
we
can
do
this,
I
mean
I
think
our
discussions
here
seem
valid.
I
think
they
work
out.
I
think
we
we
are
able
to
achieve.
E
G
B
B
City
council
decides,
if
they're
going
to
follow
the
policy
or
implement
this
policy,
then
the
advisory
board
has
a
chance
to
vote
and
it
has
to
be
a
two-thirds
majority
vote
in
either
direction
to
either
be
in
person
or
remote
and
then,
as
haley
said,
if
we
choose
remote,
you
have
to
commit
to
it.
I
assume,
if
you
choose
a
person,
either
way
it's
a
commitment
for
a
period
of
time.
B
So
at
this
point
I
don't
think
we
can
discuss,
but
I
believe
we
have.
We
should
anyway
wait
until
that
city
council
directive
to
actually
have
a
vote,
so
any
other
questions
at
this
time.
B
A
B
B
All
right,
last
old
business,
steep
slope,
tree
removal.
Obviously
we
talk
about
this
a
lot,
so
we
put
it
in
old
business.
So
it's
such
a
can
of
worms
because
we're
typically
talking
about
private
property,
but
there
are
specific
ordinances
that
you
know
require.
You
know
certain
outcomes
in
steep
slope,
but
when
there's
violations,
it's
not
exactly
clear,
that's
where
it
gets
muddy,
but
sharon
did
you
want
to
talk
about
the
specific
issue
that
came
up
and
we'll
see?
If,
if
there's
any
action,
we
can
take
as
a
group.
C
I
know
you
can't
escape
me.
I
do
know
that
in
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
the
planners
like
elk.
Mountain
may
not
know
that
that
is
a
steep
slope
b,
because
it's
kind
of
plateaued
on
the
top.
It's
not
like
bow
catcher
mountain,
it's
up
or
down.
So
unless
you
read
the
plans
and
know
that
it's
on
a
steep
slope,
it
won't
it
won't,
it
won't
be
a
specific
notation.
C
C
When
it's
on
a
steep
slope
have
more
of
what
is
required
and
that
the
new
planners
that
are
coming
in
know
what
those
requirements
are,
and
I
think
working
with
ricky
that
he's
making
some
changes
on
this,
and
I
don't
know
whether
it's
we
need
to
do
another
subcommittee
over
here
in
at
ufc
to
draft
up
what
we
think
is
best
that
the
city
can
use.
I
don't
know
whether
you
want
us
involved
or
whether
this
is
an
inside
job
on
yours,
and
then
I've
got
the
questions
on
also.
K
That's
fine,
so
sharon.
I
think
you're
right
with
what
you
said
about
elk
mountain,
and
so
I
I
clearly
we
went
out
there
me
and
kathy
went
out
there
and
done
a
walk
of
the
site
got
down
in
there
and
there
was
not
anything
malicious
I'll
say
that,
with
the
intent
of
the
the
owners
are
actually
building
the
house,
so
it's
actually
owner
builders.
K
They,
let's
walk
the
site.
I
one
thing
that
came
to
light
and
when
me
and
kathy
were
walking,
this
site
was
that
you
know
people
do
draw
these
plans
on
flat
pieces
of
paper
and
intended
to
or
not
it
seems
like.
Sometimes
we
get
forced
compliance
like
they.
They
show,
like
I
mean
literally
when
you
started
looking
at
it.
K
So
I
think
we
need
to
go
back
and
probably
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
say
you
need
to
incorporate
into
a
site
plan
that
it's
seven
or
ten
feet
from
a
foundation
wall
that
you
have
to
spec
out
a
grading
area,
that's
at
least
seven
or
ten
feet
from
a
foundation
wall.
And
then
that
is
your
assumed
grading
limits.
You
can't
just
dash
out
a
line,
and
so
the
plan
was
correct,
but
it
wasn't
feasible
on
the
ground,
and
so
they
they
stay.
They
did.
It
really
did
sharon
they.
K
They
tried
to
stay
very
tight,
but
there's
just
no
way
that
you
can
grade
and
dig
the
footers
that
you
need
on
a
slope
and
not
have
tree
roots
come
out
or
something
being
impacted,
and
so
we
we
did.
I
think,
in
the
end,
they're
about
1500
square
feet
over
because
there
is
a
big
right-of-way
and
some
of
the
area
that
was
graded
was
in
the
right
way.
K
K
Look
at
the
plans
and
you
start
looking
up
from
the
bottom
you're
like
it's,
not
quite
as
bad
as
I
thought
it
was,
and
so
we're
we're
going
to
be
working
with
them
to
try
to
get
some
sort
of
remediation
it
and
I'll
pick
back
up
with
kathy
we've
had
some
staff
turnover
I'll.
Just
tell
you
what
part
of
the
reason
why
me
and
nancy
have
got
urban
foster.
K
We've
had
several
people
quit,
we've
had
delays
getting
hr
and
so
we're
we're
trying
to
now
we're
moving
a
lot
of
people
around,
and
so
it's
just
been
one
of
things
that
we've
brought
on
a
new
enforcement
coordinator
in
the
since
we
met
last.
F
K
Those
duties
that
were
me
and
nancy
solely
have
shifted
over
to
that
enforcement
coordinator.
So
a
few
things
have
happened
in
the
past
couple
of
months.
That's
there's
been
a
lot.
That's
been
going
on
so
I'll
check
back
in,
but
there
there
is
remedial
action.
That
is
need
to
be
taken
to
say.
E
C
Real
quick
before
cecil
is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
to
offer.
You
know
to
tighten
up
the
tighten
up
the
plants
or
the
single
family
dwellings
so
that
they
know
I
mean.
I
know
it
was
a
homer,
a
bill.
Homeowner
builder-
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
problem
was
related
to
that.
I
also
know
because
they
were
down
deep
down
in
that
gully.
They
had
to
get
equipment
in
and
out
to
get
equipment
in
and
out.
C
They
had
to
remove
a
lot
of
trees
to
get
to
get
access
in
and
out
of
there.
So
I
do
know
that
they
had
some
access
issues
as
well.
So
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
make
it
easier
or
make
the
single
family
homeowner
that's
coming
in,
and
building
in
these
areas
is
happening
on
boatcatcher
everywhere,
where
they're,
taking
the
trees
out
in
steep
slope
zone
b
and
taking
everything
out
and
are
going
to
evidently
put
things
on
pylons
and
k.
C
Songs
like
my
house
is-
and
you
know,
can't
leave
her
out,
so
they
can
look
at
innsbruck
mall.
C
So
sorry,
sorry
to
throw
that
in
there,
because
he
took
out
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
trees
to
do
that,
which
is
his
right
to
do
in
a
single
family
dwelling,
but
was
it
within
the
scope
of
steep
slope
b?
I
doubt
it.
I
called
you
in
the
beginning
when
he
did
it.
C
I
told
the
owner
that
if
he
went
down
and
did
his
plans
and
did
it
within
the
steep
slope
criteria,
he
wouldn't
hear
from
me
anymore.
You
know,
do
it
right
and
you'll.
You
won't
hear
from
me
and
ask
you:
do
you
have
permits
to
remove
these
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
hundreds
of
year
old
trees
on
here?
So
I
think
that's
education.
I
suppose.
K
I
think
education,
as
you
said
it,
and
making
us
aware
and
and
also
letting
any
community
groups
that
are
interested
in
knowing
about
tree
removal
that
they
can
contact
us,
because
I
had
a
over
near
park
avenue
in
south
asheville
down
in
near
gerber
village.
That
area
there
was
confusion
around.
Can
they
cut
a
tree
down?
Do
they
need
a
permit
to
trim
the
tree
like
what
what's
going
on?
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
misunderstanding
or
you
know,
20
different
people
have
50
different
ways
of
understanding
what
the
rules
might
or
might
not
be.
K
You
can
talk
further,
maybe
figuring
out
like
when
there's
an
angle
of
the
slope
like
how
much
area
around
the
footprint
of
the
house
should
be
designated
as
a
grading
zone.
You
can
force
it
on
a
piece
of
paper.
Tell
me
you're
only
going
to
grade
two
feet
and
make
it
work
by
the
numbers
on
the
plan,
but
we
need
to
have
it
just
to
say.
K
So
if
there's
a
formula
out
there
that
we
could
just
apply,
you
know
quantitatively
that
might
be
good
information
for
us
to
just
as
a
policy
or
ordinance
just
to
say
we're
going
to
assume
this.
You
can't
force
a
compliance
by
lying
to
us
on
paper
and
that's
you.
You
nodding
your
head,
something
there.
K
K
A
K
I
think
that
if
the
designer
that
had
very
good
plans,
if
the
designer
would
have
just
like
really
just
to
put
some
reality
on
the
paper
we
could
have
gotten
in
front
of
or
they
could
have
got
in
front
of
and
moved
the
house
position
done,
a
smaller
house
adjusted
the
design
cantilevered,
something
you
know
because
the
oldest
teachers,
when
I
got
out
there
there
there
was
trees
that
yeah
they
were
still
standing,
but
the
critical
routes
don't
have
been
violated.
C
K
Straight
up
them
they're
dead,
they
don't
know
it
yet,
but
they're
dead,
and
maybe
they
will
recover,
because
trees
sometimes
are
resilient.
We
know
that,
but
there's
probably
some
compromise,
so
I
think
that
that
that's
probably
the
two
things
I
think
we
need
to
work
on.
It's
just
getting
people
connected
to
us
directly
in
that
and
that
I
know
cecil
had
something
to
say
before
we
jump
ahead.
G
Yeah
regarding
reality
on
paper,
when
these
kind
of
discussions
come
up
about
planning
versus.
What's
on
the
ground,
I'm
constantly
reminded
of
two
hotel
plans
that
came
before
council
when
I
was
there.
One
is
across
the
street
from
the
habitat
for
humanity,
restore
that
plan
came
through
with
palm
trees,
illustrated
in
front
of
the
buildings
and
then
the
other
one
was
the
hotel
over
near
the
grove
park.
F
B
K
Yeah,
I
mean
all
in
all
I'll
say
that
I
feel
like
that.
We
get
it
pretty
right.
Almost
on
most
of
the
times.
I
think
we
we've
you
know
sam
was
doing
a
fantastic
job
in
the
review
of
that
and
and
sam's
actually
moved
over
to
my
my
shop
as
of
three
weeks
ago
or
four
weeks
ago,
but
we
have
tyler
who
was
working
with
me,
who
is
now
moving
over
to
take
sam's
place
and
tyler
had
some.
K
He
has
some
experience
with
grading
russian
control
of
the
state
out
in
the
field
actually
on
the
ground,
doing
that
work
for
state
dot
projects
and
he's
been
doing
some
zoning
work
for
the
past
since
october.
K
So
I
think
we're
gonna
have
a
good
employee
in
that
steep
slope,
review
erosion,
control,
review
under
nancy's
side
of
the
house,
but
I
think
we
just
need
to
refine
and
get
in
front
of
some
of
these
plans
further
amy.
So
we
just
need
to
tighten
up,
maybe
a
checklist,
and
maybe
it's
something
that's
going
to
try
to
work
on
the
next
few
months
and
get
that
maybe
just
see
what
y'all
think
of
that.
I
think,
but
y'all
y'all
keep
pointing
out
these
issues
to
us
and
we
appreciate
that
because
it
brings
up
concerns.
B
Well,
we
can't
stop
that,
but
yeah,
I
think
a
checklist
would
be
excellent.
Anything
we
can
do
to
help
would
be
appreciated.
Ed
you're
back.
H
Yeah,
I'm
back,
I'm
sorry
something
up
and
I
lost
the
screen
yeah
I
was
gonna,
suggest
a
checklist,
but
there's
there's
really
two
two
things
that
if
they're
shown
explicitly
on
the
plan,
you
could
solve
a
lot
of
these
problems.
H
One
is
a
very
detailed
grading
plan
down
to
two
foot
contours
which
which
they
should
be
able
to
generate,
and
then
the
second
is
a
critical
root
zone
overlay
on
the
grading
plan.
So,
with
those
two
elements
you'll
be
able
to
calculate
the
percentage
of
the
critical
root
zone,
that's
being
impacted
and
if
there's
anything
more
than
20,
the
tree
should
be
considered
destroyed
and
it's
just
a
simple
process
like
that.
That
would
and-
and
I
do
that,
all
the
time
with
plans
on
building
construction
sites-
it's
really
not
that
difficult.
K
Yeah
I'll
just
say
that
we've
worked
through
this
process
just
to
save
this
critical
route
zone,
we've
had
nancy
orchestrated
some
training
earlier
this
year
for
us
out
in
the
field
very
eye-opening,
a
lot
of
staff
got
to
walk
sites.
You
know
we
me
I'll.
Just
teach
we've
been
out
to
a
couple
of
final
site
inspections
and
we've
caught
some
tcp
areas
that
had
been
violated
and
got
plans
amended,
got
corrective
action
before
we
accepted
that
area.
K
K
We've
discovered
a
lot
of
actions
that
were
maybe
on
the
design
side
and
the
review
side
that
are
not
quite
working
out
like
they
should
be,
according
to
the
practices
that
ed
you
specifically
have
mentioned,
and
so
we're
starting
to
bend
that
curve
already
and
have
been
doing
so
over
the
past
year.
So
just
know
that
this
is
a
lot
of
information.
Y'all,
provide
to
us
is
very
helpful
to
our
teams.
B
Yay,
that's
great,
wonderful,
all
right!
Well,
let's
keep
it
going.
I
appreciate
your
time
here,
ricky!
Thank
you
so
much!
Thank
you!
Everybody!
It
feels
okay,
good
thanks
sharon
and
yeah.
We,
we
literally
cannot
stop
bringing
you
the
issues
because
that's
where
we
hear
from
from
the
ground,
so
yep
we'll
do
that
all
right!
That's
it
for
old
business!
B
So
for
new
business
we
have
the
merriman
avenue
tree
issue
that
I
believe
we
have
hashed
out.
Unless
anyone
wants
to
jump
in
there
again.
Otherwise
we
do
have
an
opening
for
a
new
member,
so
that
opening
has
been
advertised
through
the
city.
Please
let
anyone
that
you
think
might
be
a
good
candidate
know,
so
they
can
apply.
B
Previous
applications
do
stay
in
the
system
as
well,
so
don
and
I'll
be
getting
a
batch
basically
when
after
a
month
passes
and
they
forward
me
the
applications
I'll
get
together
with
dawn
and
we'll
look
through
them.
If
anyone
else
has
a
burning
desire
to
be
a
part
of
that
selection
process,
let
me
know
I'm
happy
to
loop
other
people
in,
but
basically,
as
a
group,
we
go
through
those
and
honestly
we're
really
looking
for
semi-professional
credentials.
You
know
I
mean
we
definitely
like
active
citizenship.
B
You
know
citizens
coming
in
and
talking
about
it,
but
because
we're
a
specialty
group,
we
do
look
for
some
level
of
specialization
in
urban
forestry
again,
not
that
it's
the
only
requirement.
Believe
me,
we
look
at
everything
but
we'll
put
together
a
recommendation.
That'll
come
through
and
go
to
city
council
sharon.
C
C
What's
going
on,
I
mean
it's
been
really
advantageous
for
me
to
be
able
to
be
on
trc,
look
at
plans
and
talk
to
everybody,
I'm
afraid
that
once
it
goes
into
an
urban
forester,
it
will
just
go
into
that
department
and
be
gone
forever
and
just
follow
a
process,
because
none
of
us
will
get
a
chance
to
look
at
the
plans
in
the
preview.
We
only
get
it
in
simplicity
after
it's
gone
through
its
process.
C
I'm
just
understanding
and
having
said
that,
I
really
think
it's
essential,
but
yeah
not
necessary
at
this
point.
All
right.
M
As
a
member
of
the
boarding
commission's
committee,
it
would
definitely
be
helpful
when
the
chair
is
asked
to
make
recommendations
or
if
the
group
would
like
to
make
a
recommendation
as
a
whole
that
if
you
have
a
very
specific
skill
that
you're
looking
for
someone
to
bring
lived
in
professional
experience
to
go
ahead
and
communicate.
That
as
well.
B
Yeah,
I
don't
think
that
specifically
plan
review
was
in
the
current
iteration
of
what
we're
looking
for,
but
but
if
you
know
someone
again
who
has
that
skill
they're
welcome
to
apply
to
the
opening
all
right,
thank
you
kim
anything
else
with
that.
Okay,
that
was
all
our
new
business
dawn.
Did
you
want
to
go
over
your
green
works,
update.
F
No,
it's
it's
there
in
the
agenda
just
to
review.
Oh
I
do.
I
do
want
to
say
something.
So
you
can
see.
We
have
our
tree
giveaway,
which
we're
renaming
our
tree
adoption
event.
F
On
october
30th-
and
it's
going
to
be
at
the
buncombe
county
sports
park,
where
we
have
our
tree
nursery
and
orchard
and
from
10
to
2,
the
sign
up
will
be
online
ahead
of
time
and
spaces
fill
quickly
so
be
on
the
lookout
for
that
or-
and
let
your
folks
in
your
neighborhoods
and
community
know
about
that
as
well.
That's
open
to
all
buncombe
county
residents,
and
then
we
have
a,
I
guess,
called
more
of
a
lack
of
staffing
update.
F
So
we
had
a
person
in
americorps
working
on
community
forestry
for
the
past
four
or
five
years
and
we're
changing
that
to
a
permanent
position
full-time.
Yet
we
are
carefully
designing
the
position
to
meet
our
growing
needs,
so
we
haven't
even
posted
it,
we're
not
close
to
posting
it
right
now.
What
that
means
is
that
our
capacity
to
carry
out
our
programs
is
reduced,
we're
still
doing,
and
we
still
have
to
take
care
of
our
4000
tree
nursery
and
our
orchards
and
get
programs
yet
we're
not
taking
on
any
new
efforts.
F
We
have
a
lot
of
requests
come
to
us
about
either
trees
of
concern
or
areas
like
properties
that
are
going
to
be
developed.
People
are
concerned
and
wanting
to
save
those
properties.
F
F
Our
treasure
trees
program
is
all
volunteer
right
now,
with
some
staff
support,
as
it
has
always
been.
We
do
appreciate
that
sort
of
effort.
We
have
our
tree
protection
task
force
as
well,
so
we
rely
heavily
on
volunteers,
but
we're
ready
to
take
our
urban
forestry
efforts
to
the
next
level
and
to
do
so
we
need
to
increase
our
staffing
so
I'll.
Keep
you
posted
on
that.
C
So
I
make
a
motion
journey
up
real
quick.
Can
we
get
duke?
Do
we
know
if
they're
going
to
show
up
on
a
meeting
or
not?
Has
anybody
been
in
contact
with
them.
B
So,
thank
you.
When
I
was
talking
to
jason
walls
about
the
rankin
street
project.
He
indicated
that
he
may
have
someone
who
might
be
a
good
fit
for
our
group,
but
I
have
not
heard
back
so
I'll
follow
up
again
and
see
where
that
goes,
but
as
as
of
this
moment,
no
new
news
on
that
front.
B
Is
there
a
second
thank
you,
roll
call
vote
don,
bye,
ed.
F
C
B
Cecil,
hi,
patrick
and
I'm
I
thank
you
very
much
everybody
good
meeting.
Let
me
know
your
working
group
updates
as
they
happen
and
we
will
meet
next
month.
Thank
you
have
a
good
day.