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A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Well,
welcome
everybody
to
the
December
meeting
of
the
Asheville
urban
forestry
commission.
My
name
is
Amy
Smith
I'm
the
chair,
we're
going
to
just
start
off
with
introductions
and
go
from
there
so
again,
Amy
Smith,
the
vice
chair,
Don
Chavez,
is
not
here.
Currently
we're
hoping
she'll
pop
in
late,
but
moving
around
the
room
as
I
see
you
all
on
my
screen.
Cecil.
A
E
A
C
Chair
before
we
get
into
the
agenda,
I
see
that
we
have
public
comment
and
then
followed
by
the
presentation
on
the
Municipal,
Golf
Course,
and
you
know
by
previous
emails.
The
public
comment
is
about
the
municipal
golf
course
and
the
tree
removal
there.
C
So
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
amend
the
agenda
and
move
item:
five
old
business
up
to
above
item
four
staff
reports
and
updates
and
move
item
D
of
old
business
up
to
make
that
item
a
under
old
business.
So
we
have
that
flow
of
comment,
presentation
and
then
discussion
on
the
municipal
golf
course
tree
removal.
A
A
F
I
would
also
like
to
add
new
business
to
the
agenda
if
possible,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
add
the
recommendation
and
resolution
on
the
preservation
of
Heritage
trees
to
the
agenda.
A
C
I,
don't
have
any
opposition
to
this,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
staff
if
we
can
add
new
items
to
the
agenda
once
it's
been
published.
A
B
C
B
I
just
wanted
to
say,
welcome
to
Mark
the
new
interim
boss.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
at
the
meeting.
A
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
sir
I
appreciate
that
see
you
soon
introduction
so
I'm
Mark,
nathani
I'm,
currently
the
interim
director
for
development
services
for
the
period
of
time
replacing
Ben,
Woody
who's
moved
up
to
our
assistant
city
manager.
We
we
did
an
interim
process,
that'll
be
another
couple
of
months,
we'll
do
another
full
round
of
interviews
for
the.
I
Position
which
I'll
be
a
part
of
that
process
as
well
and
hopefully
be
just
be
able
to
take
the
interim
out
of
my
title.
So
thank
you.
It's
great
to
be
here.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
and
while
we're
on
marks
Mark
Foster
you're
on
me,
Mark.
F
K
Just
kidding
Mark
Foster
City
Arborist
public
works
department.
Thank.
A
You
all
right,
City
staff,
Nancy.
A
M
A
Thank
you
all
right,
well,
I
think
that's
everybody!
We
unfortunately
do
not
have
our
presenter,
yet
that's,
okay,
so
we're
calling
the
meeting
to
order
and
next
step
is
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
November
meeting
and
I
believe
everyone
here
was
present
at
that
meeting.
So
I
just
need
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
minutes
or
do
I
just
vote
on
it.
Okay,
well
we'll
motion.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
second.
A
Are
approved
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
public
comment
is:
are
there
any
callers
before
we
go
to
the
written?
Let.
M
We
do
have
some
callers
on
the
line,
let's
see
if
they
would
like
to
provide
comment
callers
on
the
line.
If
you'd
like
to
provide
public
comment,
please
press
star
3
now.
M
M
J
And
having
reviewed
the
I'm.
J
I'm
Queen
lady
passion,
yeah
I'm,
very
involved
in
the
tree
protection
task
force
and
tree
saving
and
preservation
of
Heritage
trees
as
well,
such
as
the
Magnolias,
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
that's
been
added,
hopefully
to
the
agenda
that
needs
to
move
forward.
But
my
concern
is
that,
having
reviewed
the
plans
and
having
considered
the
City
Arborist
beliefs
that
you
know
designation,
that
about
157
153,
it
varies
trees
on
the
municipal
golf
course
are
dead
or
have
Oak
wither
or
similar
such
things
as
well
as
Pines.
J
According
to
people
that
frequent
the
golf
course
should
be
selled
after
having
the
grass
having
been
mismanaged
by
a
previous
company
and
the
new
company,
having
very
very
to
me
upon
review,
sketchy
and
suspect
and
doubtful
plans
for
restoration
and
I
believe
it
to
be
violation
of
the
new
city
tree
protection,
zero
net
loss
ordinance.
J
These
courses,
and,
if
they're
in
a
chemical
stew,
seedlings
won't
Thrive
if
the
mature
trees
aren't
thriving
and
I,
think
it
opens
up
the
city
to
liability,
not
just
from
leaning,
trees
that
are
trying
to
get
sunlight,
which
is
natural,
but
from
lack
of
trying
to
abide
by
the
ordinance
and
trying
to
go
more
eco-friendly
and
avoid.
You
know:
liability
lawsuits
from
Roundup
and
all
kinds
of
the
chemicals
that
they
use.
J
M
E
I've
also
read
the
presentation
and
inventory
documents
for
the
muni
Golf
Course
tree
removal
requests
that
you're
about
to
see
and
I
I
too,
have
some
questions
and
concerns
that
I
hope
will
be
addressed
pretty
similar
ones.
I
think
the
golf
course
is
a
valuable
institution
in
the
Asheville
Community,
but
not
just
for
golfers.
It's
also
a
large
mature
green
space
that
plays
an
important
role
in
helping
protect
our
Urban
ecosystem
from
the
effects
of
climate
change.
E
So
I
I
am
wondering,
first
of
all,
why
I
don't
see
anything
in
the
presentation
about
sustainable
Landscaping
practices,
because
Golf
Course
is
typically
are
notorious
sources
of
aquifer
pollution,
both
above
ground
and
below
ground,
thanks
to
their
intensive
use
of
toxic
chemical
pesticides
and
fertilizers.
But
there
is
a
movement
nationally
to
change
that
and
substitute
organic
fertilizers
and
best
Pest
management
practices,
even
if
it
means
a
slightly
less
Perfect
Lawn.
E
So
why
isn't
the
municipal
golf
course
of
our
famously
eco-conscious
City,
taking
this
opportunity
to
switch
over
to
sustainable
management
practices
and
I'm
wondering
if
some
of
the
oak
trees,
for
example,
that
are
slated
for
removal,
because
they're
dying
from
Oak
Wilt
as
lady
passion
mentioned,
would
in
fact
recover?
If
the
golf
course
made,
this
switch
because
I've
heard
some
local
experts
that
chemical
fertilizers
could
be
a
cause
of
this.
Has
any
soil
testing
been
done?
I'm
also
wondering
why
some
30
or
so
trees
on
holes?
E
Three
and
five
only
are
sentenced
to
removal
on
mass
because
of
end
of
life
once
that
generic
phrase
mean
other
than
that
you're
ending
their
life
by
cutting
them
down.
That's
a
question
I'd
like
to
have
answered
finally
I'm
wondering
how
many
of
the
trees
being
removed,
because
they're
leaning
actually
do
pose
a
hazard
of
falling
and
how
many
are
leading
simply
because
they're
seeking
the
light
and
have
compensated
Against
Gravity
as
trees
often
do
by
strengthening
their
wood,
and
that's
something
I'd
like
to
hear
addressed
by
you
all
three
experts
sitting
on
commission.
M
Thank
you
color,
our
next
color.
This
number
is
ending
in
five
four
two:
zero
I'm
gonna
unmute.
You
now,
please
speak
when
you're
ready.
N
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Nancy.
Casey
I've
lived
in
Asheville
for
15
years.
Thank
you,
Commissioners,
council
member
Roney,
and
for
all
everybody's
service
to
the
city
of
Asheville
I'm,
absolutely
in
favor
of
improving
and
restoring
our
beloved
mini
golf
course,
and
everyone
I've
talked
to
is
also,
at
the
same
time,
I'm
hopeful
that
the
city
can
come
up
with
a
revised
tree
plan
that
emphasizes
tree
trimming
over
tree
cutting
and
better
reflects
our
community
values
on
saving
mature
trees.
N
This
is
a
chance
for
the
city
to
live
up
to
its
own
ideals,
by
working
with
arborists
that
are
committed
to
caring
for
tree
Health
rather
than
tree
destruction.
We
entrusted
the
previous
operator
Pope
Gulf
to
care
for
the
course
they
were
negligent
did
nothing
to
nurture
the
grass,
which
was
in
good
condition
under
these
same
large,
mature,
shade
trees
just
a
few
years
ago.
N
M
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
also
received
many
written
comments.
The
last
tally
was
around
80..
Much
of
the
public
comment
received
at
obviously
I'm
not
able
to
read
all
of
them
in
the
time
allotted
here.
Many
were
the
same
comments
that
we
just
heard
about
the
golf
course
and
saving
the
trees
questions
about
the
Arbors
reporting
that
we
have
here.
You
know
wanting
to
see
a
different
type
of
reporting
that
might
have
more
detail.
A
So
that's
just
a
sum
up,
but
the
callers
pretty
much
went
through
all
of
the
same
issues
as
the
written
comments.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
written
comment
and
for
calling
in
so
that
brings
us
to
our
presentation.
Obviously
we're
gonna
wait
and
hear
from
Chris
coral,
and
then
we
can
ask
questions
and
address
the
issues
that
have
been
raised.
A
O
Okay,
have
their
Haley.
Are
you
driving
this
I.
O
Nancy
is
okay.
Well,
all
right,
then
disregard
where
my
face
is
pointing
because
my
computer
and
my
camera
in
different
ways
so
I'm
looking
at
you,
but
not
at
the
camera,
all
the
time.
So
apologies
for
that.
So
first
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
myself
and
our
department
because
our
department
is
relatively
new.
We
were
formed
in
January
of
2022,
so
I'm
Chris,
Coral
I'm,
the
director
of
the
community
and
Regional
Entertainment
facilities,
department
and
next
slide.
Please
we
are
covering
I
guess
you
have
to
click
twice:
I,
don't.
O
O
O
It
was
the
first
public
course
in
North
and
South
Carolina
in
the
first
course
in
the
Southeast
region
to
be
integrated
and
at
that
same
time,
the
Skyview
Golf
Association
was
formed
back
in
1959
by
a
group
of
local
black
golfers
and
Community
leaders,
and
they
have
helped
the
Skyview
open,
which
is
an
annual
tournament
in
July
every
year,
since
I
think
they're
on
their
63rd
year.
This
coming
and
it's
the
only
surviving
black
owned
and
operated
3D
professional
golf
tournament
in
the
country.
O
So
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
history
at
that
course,
and
I
could
go
on
and
on.
But
that's
not
what
we're
worried
about
today.
So
we
could
keep
going.
It
was
opened
in
1927,
it's
a
par
72.
We
do
about
41
000
rounds
a
year
on
average
that
was
a
pre-covered
average.
There's
been
a
pretty
good
bump
since
then
I'm
waiting
for
it
to
re-plate.
So
before
we
start
quoting
numbers
that
are
probably
higher
than
they
should
be
because
in
2021,
for
example,
we
did
about
46
000
rounds.
O
A
lot
of
the
golfers
there
treated
as
their
Community
Center
and
if
you
stop
by
any
day
of
the
week,
you'll
really
understand
that
even
if
you're,
a
stranger
they're
going
to
come
up
and
say,
hey
and
see
how
you're
doing
and
just
kind
of
chat
you
up,
and
it's
a
home
Golf
Course
for
three
middle
school
and
three
High
School
golf
programs
and
for
practice
and
play
and
all
the
local
high
school
teams,
except
for
one
play
all
of
their
matches
there
next
slide.
O
Please
it's
really
an
ideal
course
for
growing
the
game.
Youth
play
smaller
tournaments
and
we're
opening
up
with
our
new
agreement
targets
to
go
after
junior
tournaments,
NCAA,
mid
major
tournaments,
PGA
league
and
section
events
to
really
try
to
boost
some
of
the
tournament
business
there
and
co-in
to
coincide
with
our
hotel
tax
grant
that
we
received
next
slide.
Please!
O
So
the
course
for
anybody
that's
been
out.
There
is
in
pretty
rough
shape
right
now,
and
this
is
a
picture
here
of
the
16th
Fairway,
which
is
one
of
the
worst
Fairways
they're,
not
all
like
this
and
I
guess.
I
would
mention
just
because
I
heard
one
of
the
callers
bring
this
up.
The
grass
was
better
yes,
four
or
five
years
ago,
but
not
throughout
the
course.
O
There
are
certain
areas
that
have
really
declined
heavily
since
hope
stopped
taking
care
of
the
course,
but
most
of
the
areas
that
we're
concentrating
on
are
areas
that
have
been
bad
for
decades.
O
If
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
So
our
main
challenge
is
with
the
course
are
storm
water.
Like
I
mentioned
all
of
the
bunkers
have
terrible
drainage.
Even
a
small
rainstorm
you'll
see
little
Lakes
inside
every
bunker.
Cart
paths
have
a
lot
of
damage
in
potholes
throughout
the
entirety
of
the
course
trees
which
we'll
obviously
get
into
greens.
O
We've
got
a
lot
of
drainage
issues
on
greens
and,
additionally,
in
some
specific
greens,
some
molding
issues
with
the
grass
and
real
challenges
growing
at
13,
14
and
16
are
real
big
targets.
There
tee
boxes
similar,
there's
a
lot
of
shading
and
rooting
issues
from
trees
that
are
causing
challenges
for
keeping
the
tea
boxes
covered
in
grass
and
not
dirt.
There's
truly
just
like
hard
mud
compaction
and
a
lot
of
them.
O
If
you
could
go
to
next
slide,
please
so
our
funding
status
we're
working
on
a
gold
total
project
of
about
3.5
million
through
various
funds
from
different
grants,
city
funding
and
some
future
Revenue.
That's
going
to
be
generated
from
the
golf
course
next
slide,
please.
O
So
our
total
committed
funding
as
of
today
is
at
about
2.8
million,
so
we're
about
700
000
short
of
our
goal,
but
some
of
the
grants
that
we
had
been
planning
on
applying
for
still
have
not
opened
for
the
application,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
we're
not
all
the
way
up
there
yet,
but
hopefully
those
grants
come
through
next
slide,
please.
O
So
our
initial
gold
budget,
which
included
based
on
the
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
project
as
some
storm
water
retention
and
storm
water,
repair
and
water
retention
design.
The
tree
study
that's
already
been
spent
our
storm
water
assessment,
which
is
money
that
was
already
spent.
But
so
a
significant
portion
of
this
project
is
really
on
stormwater
remediation
and
the
irritate
irrigation
water
retention.
O
So
what
that
means
is
fixing
all
the
bad
pipes,
but
also
trying
to
find
a
place
on
the
golf
course
at
the
low-lying
areas
that
we
can
create
a
pond
or
a
small
Lake.
If
you
will
right
now,
the
golf
course
pays
every
time
that
we
run
this
sprinklers.
It's
City
potable
water
and
that
bill
is
significant,
like
in
150
000
a
year
range
and
if
we
have
a
way
to
catch
all
of
that
storm
water.
O
That
currently
is
causing
a
challenge
when
we
fix
the
pipe
and
they're
the
low-lying
areas
where
the
irrigation
Taps
into
City
water-
and
we
can
pump
that
into
the
irrigation
system.
We
can
reuse
that
water,
while
watering
the
grass
to
have
a
better
opportunity
to
give
the
water
the
grass
all
the
water
it
needs
slow
down
the
water
before
it
hits
the
river
and
lower
our
annual
operating
costs.
O
So
then
other
upgrades
greens
and
bunkers
Fairway
regressing,
where
possible,
tree
removal,
thinning
and
replacement
which
we're
going
to
talk
about
today.
Heart
path,
repairs,
historical
marker,
signage
and
installation,
and
some
basic
work
in
the
clubhouse
and
when
I
say
that
I
mean
truly
basic
like
new
carpet
new
paints.
Some
fixtures
not
like
a
renovation
of
the
clubhouse
next
slide,
please.
O
So
our
Target
timeline
was
to
start
tree
work
in
the
winter
of
22-23
spring
and
summer,
we'll
get
into
cart
paths,
storm
water,
bunkers,
teas
and
greens,
and
skipping
a
lot
of
work
in
the
summer,
because
that's
heavy
play
time
and
we
don't
want
to
drastically
affect
Revenue
coming
in.
While
we're
trying
to
do
this
project
falling
into
fall,
where
we
would
start
tree
planting
and
grass
planting
next
slide,
please
so
moving
forward
future
phases,
we'd
really
like
to
do
something
with
the
clubhouse
and
bring
it
back
to
its
historical
significance.
O
It
used
to
be
a
really
nice
place
before
someone
committed
arson
back
in
the
60s.
We
need
some
practice
areas
and
there's
two
on-course
facilities,
restroom
spaces
that
are
in
pretty
bad
shape
and
really
could
use
some
renovation
for
the
players
next
slide,
please!
So
how
we're
going
to
get
there?
The
new
management
structure
is
different
than
that
of
Pope,
golfs
and
I.
Think
it's
important
that
everyone's
clear
on
how
that
works,
poke
golf
leased
the
course.
O
So
we
were
essentially
with
the
landlord
and
they
came
in
and
they
had
full
control
of
everything,
and
we
we
see
that
that
did
not
work
out
very
well
when
something
didn't
go
in
their
favor
and
they
decided
to
really
stop
assisting
at
the
course.
So
the
new
management
structure
is
a
licensing
agreement
where
we're
essentially
Revenue
share
Partners.
So
the
city
is
now
taking
Financial
Risk
on
the
golf
course.
O
So
it's
important
for
us
that
we're
running
an
operation,
that's
lean
and
efficient,
but
we've
also
instituted
a
one
dollar
facility
management
fee
on
All
Greens
fees
for
non-annual
pass
holders.
So
that
means,
if
you
don't,
have
an
annual
pass
and
you
show
up
and
you
buy
a
round
of
18
holes
and
it
used
to
cost
twenty
dollars.
O
Now
it
costs
twenty
one,
and
one
dollar
goes
directly
into
our
Capital
Improvement
plan
for
next
year,
and
we
anticipate
that
that
should
bring
in
about
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year
so
that
we
could
put
that
towards
future
Capital
Improvements
and
work
at
the
course
in
a
profitable
situation.
We're
going
to
settle
every
quarter
with
Commonwealth,
we'll
split
revenues,
45
City,
55
percent
Commonwealth
after
the
first
five
thousand,
which
goes
100
to
them
and
if
there's
a
loss,
the
city
is
going
to
cover
65
percent
of
that
loss
from
zero
dollar.
O
They
also
get
some
green
fee
commissions
on
new
room
nights
and
they're
managing
the
capital
Improvement
project
for
us,
with
a
four
percent
management
fee
on
all
capital
over
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
They're
also
required
to
do
active
tournament
Recruitment
and
expand
the
youth
programs
that
exist
at
the
course,
because,
right
now
we
we
basically
do
the
bare
minimum
to
keep
that
youth.
O
On
course,
designation
I
mentioned
earlier,
which
is
the
minimum
that
they
were
required
of
by
Parks
and
Rec
when
Pope
took
over
10
years
ago,
and
so
we
want
to
expand
that
and
get
some
actual
youth
programming
in
there
next
slide.
Please
so
I
just
mentioned
most
of
these,
so
I'm
gonna
kind
of
scoot
by
this
quickly,
but
all
of
our
money
then
gets
reinvested.
Is
the
long
story
short
on
that,
so
next
slide?
O
Preservation,
Society
of
Asheville
Buncombe
County,
has
stepped
up
to
help
as
a
non-profit
fiduciary,
because
they
feel
the
course
is
very
important
as
a
historical
marker
in
the
city.
So
they
are
acting
as
a
way
that
if
people
want
to
donate
money
to
the
project
they
can
and
they
can
donate
it
to
the
preservation
Society
for
tax
deduction
purposes,
and
it
comes
straight
to
the
course
and
they're
actually
covering
any
credit
card
fees
and
other
expenses
that
come
to
that
as
their
contribution
to
the
project.
O
Next
slide,
please
so
I
already
mentioned
the
41
000
rounds.
It's
mostly
local
members,
there's
a
lot
of
local
tournaments
One
Professional
tournament
that
has
an
impact
of
around
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
we
get
significant
use
by
out
of
Market
guests
next
slide.
O
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
where
everyone's
coming
from
there's
a
lot
in
the
local
region,
but
it
truly
has
like
a
at
least
East
Coast
impact,
and
you
can
argue
National
if
you
wanted
to
all
right
so
next
slide
and
we'll
get
into
the
tree
work
specifically
so
step
one
in
this
whole
process.
We
brought
in
the
United
States
Golf
Association
to
do
what
they
call
a
tree
evaluation,
which
was
completed
in
May
of
2022..
O
We
got
about
eight
holes
through
with
the
agronomist,
and
he
gave
me
a
phrase
around
saying
that
we
were
going
to
need
to
remove
well
over
a
thousand
trees
and
I
said
hold
on.
Let's.
Let's
only
talk
about
greens
and
teas
at
this
point,
because
we
knew
that
there's
no
appetite
for
the
city
to
try
to
cut
down
a
thousand
trees
in
that
course
it
just
was
not
realistic
and
not
something
we
wanted
to
get
into.
So
their
evaluation
then
focused
strictly
on
greens,
teas
and
the
Really
worst
areas
of
the
fairways.
O
An
outcome
was
a
suggestion
to
remove
well
over
500
total
trees
in
the
property.
Next
slide,
please!
O
So
after
that
evaluation
we
had
a
golf
architect
come
in
volunteer,
volunteer
golf
architect
not
paid
by
the
city
to
come
in
and
kind
of
review.
That
USGA
report
review
the
course
and
give
us
some
suggestions
and
he
helped
us
Target
about
200
225
trees
that
he
felt
like
should
be
the
trees
that
we
should
focus
on
removal
at
the
course
we
went
through
and
we
ended
up
tagging
a
little
over
200
and
then
had
a
track.
Certified
arborists
come
in
and
take
a
look.
O
One
of
them
was
the
city's
arborist
and
the
other
was
a
private
arborist
and
the
Revolt
results
came
to
that
list
that
you've
seen
posted
on
the
website
in
that
process.
Some
trees
were
added
to
the
list
that
we
did
not
have
many
trees
were
removed
and
many
trees
were
adjusted
to
a
pruning
plan
and
two
of
them
specifically,
we
were
asked
to
do
some
more
testing
and
further
review
of
the
tree
to
see
what
the
best
results
would
be
for
it
next
slide.
Please
so
of
that
list.
O
There's
a
good
bit
of
an
invasives
I
think
it's
around
10
or
11
off
to
get
the
list
up
on
the
screen
here
shortly
to
make
sure
I
have
the
right
numbers
there,
but
we're
targeting
invasive
trees,
unhealthy
Hazard
trees
and
then
trees
that
are
directly
competing
with
golf
play.
So
anything
that's
got
severe
shading
on
either
a
tea
box
or
a
green
competing
for
heavy
water
access
and
then
playability.
So
what
that
means
is
like
the
golfer's
eye
is
the
phrase
that's
used
in
golf.
O
So
we're
trying
to
grow
that
golfer's
eye
out
and
then
also
there's
some
situations
where
the
fairways
used
to
be
saying,
150,
feet
wide
and
now
they're
100
feet
wide
or
similar
situations
throughout
the
course
they
vary
at
every
single
hole,
and
that
has
some
direct
access
or
issues
with
shadings
and
when
the
sun
goes
up
through
the
sky
throughout
the
day,
if
the
Fairway
is
only
getting
an
hour
or
two
of
sunlight
that
doesn't
allow
opportunity
for
the
grass
to
grow
and
there's
many
many
places
on
the
course.
O
There's
many
trees
that
Mark
when
he
came
through,
is
our
arborist
that
we
had
marked
as
removed
that
he
encouraged
us
to
prune
first
and
if
it's
still
a
very
big
challenge.
Moving
forward
in
a
few
years,
then
reevaluate
for
potential
removal
and
we're
trying
to
take
the
animals
into
account.
O
I
gotta
say
we
have
done
nothing
to
look
at
reviewing
process
for
the
squirrels,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
squirrels,
but
we
have
looked
into
the
birds
specifically
and
there's
a
already
small
Wetland
space
that
we'd
like
to
expand.
That's
between
Fairway,
five
or
four
excuse
me,
a
nine
and
we've
targeted
a
few
trees
that
we
found
that
have
a
nest
of
some
Hawks
in
the
neighborhood
that
we're
making
sure
one
not
to
disturb
those
trees
but
also
trees
in
a
25
foot
radius
of
that
Nest.
O
O
Thanks
all
right,
so
this
recap
Sheet's,
really
just
kind
of
what
I
wanted
to
touch
base
on
First
and
we
did
go
through
and
we
counted
every
single
tree
on
the
property.
I'm
sure
we
missed
the
couple.
But
this
is
a
pretty
good
close
number
that
tree's
over
six
inches
in
diameter
at
breast
height
we're
at
23.87.
O
It's
a
122
acre
property
which
comes
out
to
an
average
of
about
20
trees
per
acre
and
we're
looking
to
remove
10
invasive
trees,
six
trees
that
are
removal
specifically
for
golf
purposes
and
when
I
say
that
I
I
do
want
to
be
clear.
Both
arborists
told
us
that
they
did
not
have
a
good
reason
that
they
could
see
as
a
track
arborist
that
that
tree
had
to
be
removed,
that
it
was
strictly
us
asking,
because
it
is
for
golf
purposes
and.
O
The
other
trees
on
the
property
working
through
with
the
arborists
there
was
a
arborist
style
reason
for
each
tree
that
it
could
be
removed
and
that
we
could
justify
as
like
a
good
reason
that
tree
needed
to
be
removed
and
replaced,
and
in
a
lot
of
those
cases
it
was
Heavy
shading,
leaning
over
the
golf
cart
path
or
in
some
cases
the
roadway
around
the
golf
course
or
leaning
over
a
green,
a
lot
of
competition
of
roots
and
again
that
shading
of
the
Fairway
left
to
right,
and
so,
in
speaking
with
Nancy,
there
wasn't
a
specific
calculation
formula
for
this
type
of
project,
because
there's
no
development
with
it.
O
I
know.
I
spoke
with
some
of
you
and
you
suggested
going
back
and
looking
at
those
calculators
to
use
that
method
and,
after
speaking
with
Nancy,
it
I
think
it
was
easier
to
stick
with
this
because
there's
not
development.
That's
coming
after
the
trees
are
cut
down,
there's
just
tree
removal
and
replacement
here.
O
So
what
we
did
was
we
valued
the
tree
canopy
with
a
large,
a
large
style
tree
at
one
medium
at
0.75
and
a
small
at
five,
so
that
we
could
get
to
the
same
level
of
recalculation
for
planting
in
the
future.
And
so,
if
you
could
go
down
just
a
little
bit
Nancy,
we
did
a
breakdown
of
every
single
different
type
of
tree.
That
was
identified.
The
total
number
to
be
removed.
O
And
so
then
we
have
come
up
with
a
rough
estimate
on
the
different
types
of
trees
that
we
would
replace
being
large,
medium
small,
because
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
different
levels
of
canopy
there.
So
it's
where
we
are
replacing.
It
is
like
a
true
deciduous
forest
right
like
there
should
be
small
trees
in
the
medium
size
and
big
ones,
and
they
should
go
up
and
down
and
travel
around.
O
So
one
of
those
things
doesn't
really
work
well
in
certain
situations
so
trying
to
find
that
opportunity
to
move
some
of
the
trees
off
property
was
really
key.
So
we
created
this
ability
for
Neighbors
in
East
Asheville,
not
just
in
the
neighborhood,
but
just
in
that
General
region
of
East
Asheville
can
sign
up
to
have
a
tree
purchased
for
them
and
delivered
to
their
home
and
if
they
need
help
with
it,
even
help
planting
it
on
their
property,
and
we
have
not
advertised
this.
Yet.
O
We
literally
just
have
it
up
on
the
website,
and
it
was
mentioned
at
a
public
meeting
that
we
had
in
September
and
so
far
we've
had
10
different
Property
Owners
sign
up
for
four
or
21
trees
to
be
delivered,
so
we're
trying
to
find
that
way
to
take
those
trees
and
get
them
off
property
onto
someone's
property
nearby
and
I'm,
really
hoping
that
that
can
help
grow.
Our
total
knp
value
replacement
and
then
not
have
to
run
into
a
tree
conversation
again
in
20
30
years
as
these
trees
grow
up
on
property
and
I.
O
Do
think
that
we'll
have
a
really
good
response
whenever
we
push
this
out
and
like
truly
advertise
that
program
and
they're
not
sapling
trees,
either
just
to
be
clear.
We're
budgeting
for
six
to
eight
foot,
trees
that
are
in
a
10
to
15,
gallon
bucket
and
their
native,
Hardwoods
and
or
native
Evergreens
would
be
the
trees
that
you
could
sign
up
for
and
that'll
be
based
on
Final
availability,
with
the
nursery
that
we
select.
O
So
the
operator
is
currently
talking
to
a
couple:
different
nurseries
in
the
area
to
see
who
could
handle
that
volume
and
the
logistics
around
selling
a
tree
to
one
place
but
having
to
plant
them
in.
You
know
30
or
40
different
places,
so
yeah.
That's
that's
the
brief
overview
and
I'm
happy
to
keep
going,
but
I
feel
like
it's
probably
a
good
time
for
questions.
A
All
right
thanks,
I'm
gonna
jump
in
real,
quick
and
Chris
briefly
mentioned
that
we
did
have
a
chance
for
some
urban
forestry
commission
members
to
meet
with
Chris
on
site
and
run
around
and
take
a
look
at
some
of
these
trees,
and
that
was
myself
and
Karen
and
Zoe,
and
my
impression
from
that
meeting
was
quite
positive,
as
Chris
pointed
out,
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
the
golf
organizations
you
know
if
it
were
just
you
know
up
to
only
golfing
somewhere,
not
in
Asheville.
A
There
would
be
well
over
a
thousand
trees
being
removed
between
500
and
a
thousand,
but
I
think
Chris
has
done
a
really
good
job
of
setting
the
expectation
that
this
is
Asheville
and
we
do
have
a
priority
on
trees,
and
so
this
plan
has
been
whittled
down
to
what
you
see
here.
So
just
want
to
stress
that.
A
G
Yeah
I
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
with
the
risk
assessments
that
were
conducted
on
on
these
trees
and
and
just
seeing
what
I've
seen
from
the
reports
and
from
the
spreadsheet
I'm
not
seeing
typical
risk
assessment.
Language
used
the
degree
of
risk,
that's
associated
with
the
trees
and
any
any
options
for
mitigating
risk
other
than
removal
you
you
mentioned,
you
had
a
track
Arbors
for
those
that
don't
know
track
means
tree.
G
Risk
assessment
qualified,
but
you
know,
use
of
the
word
Hazard,
for
example,
is
is
not
part
of
the
risk
assessment
protocol
anymore.
Yet
it's
still
being
used
in
this
report
and
and
I'm
not
seeing
any
of
the
typical
Hazard
or
I'm
sorry
risk
assessment
documentation
that
I
would
see
with
the
risk
report
so
I'm
kind
of
curious.
G
You
know
I
think
that
probably
a
lot
of
these
trees
that
that
might
have
issues
could
probably
have
these
issues
mitigated
and
then
the
likelihood
of
any
of
these
trees,
failing
if
they're
in
a
wooded
area
having
any
type
of
consequential
impact
you
know
is,
is
not
likely
so
the
trees
wouldn't
be
a
risk
so
I'm.
You
know
I'm
suspect,
of
the
whole
risk
assessment,
part
of
this
report
and
I'm
hoping.
Maybe
you
have
some
more
information
that
you
could
share
with
us,
or
you
can
elaborate
on
that.
G
The
other
thing
is
that
you
know
I
can
I
I
appreciate
the
conflict
between
trees
and
grass.
I
agree
with
you.
It's
like
water
and
oil,
I,
I
I.
Think,
though,
that
with
judicious
pruning,
you
could
probably
open
up
a
lot
more
view,
Shin
a
lot
more
sunlight
without
having
to
completely
remove
trees.
So
you
know
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
being
critical
of
of
what
you're
proposing
except
I
I
think
you
maybe
don't
have
all
the
information
that
you
could
have
to
make
the
decisions
that
you
need
to
make.
O
Mm-Hmm
well
so
for
the
hazard
trees,
hazard's,
like
a
generic
term
that
we've
used
for
any
other
like
danger,
trees,
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
track
word
would
be
for
that.
But
essentially
I'd
have
to
go
and
look
at
every
single
specific
one.
But
I
would
say
that
the
vast
majority,
if
not
all,
of
the
ones
that
are
listed
as
Hazard
directly
have
the
ability
to
follow
on
golf
cart
path
on
T
or
on
green,
so
like
in
area
of
play.
O
There's
not
really
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
trees
that
are
inside,
like
a
quote-unquote
wooded
area
that
would
fall
and
land.
Also
in
wooded
area
right
I
mean
we're
we're
in
a
golf
course.
So
most
of
the
tree
spacing
is
kind
of
thin.
There's
a
few
areas
in
the
course
that
we
do
intend
to
leave
as
wooded
areas
and
essentially
only
deal
with
a
tree
that
falls
down
on
its
own.
O
The
left
side
of
16
for
one
between
13
and
14,
like
there's
some
spaces,
that
the
trees
are
truly
not
affecting
golf
in
any
way
and
we
don't
want
to
mess
with
those
trees.
And
we
want
to
let
them
go
and
do
their
thing.
G
But
well,
the
the
tree
risk
assessment
protocol
looks
at
the
likelihood
of
failure
the
likelihood
of
failure
striking
a
Target
and
whether
or
not
you
know
the
failures
can
be.
The
likelihood
of
it
could
be,
can
be
mitigated
so
and
then
they
attribute
risk
as
being
low
medium
high,
severe
based
on
these
likelihoods
following
a
matrix
that
was
established
by
the
tree
care
industry,
I,
don't
think
any
of
that
was
employed
in
any
of
these
risk
assessments.
G
The
difference
is
between
a
large
oak
tree,
getting
ready
to
fall
into
a
busy
intersection
on
Merriman
Avenue
versus
a
pine
tree.
Dropping
a
branch
on
a
golf
course
golf
path,
the
likelihood
of
causing
a
significant
impact
is,
is
quite
measurably
less
and
could
be
mitigated
with
pruning.
So
without
all
of
all
of
that
information,
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
say.
Yes,
this
is
a
good
plan
or
no
it's
a
failed
plan
or
a
flawed
plan.
G
So
you
know
again,
my
question
is:
did
your
arborist
your
track?
Arbors,
do
a
comprehensive
risk
assessment
on
these
trees,
I'm
gonna
jump
in
on
this
Chris.
K
O
K
It
okay
well
before
I
talk
about
filling
out
track
forms
and
golf
course
grass
and
trees
I
want
to
bring
something
up.
That's
been
my
experience
with
the
commission
going
over.
You
know,
construction
and
Tree
project
and,
and
that
that
point
I'd
want
to
make
is
that
it's
a
lot
easier
to
visualize
how
decisions
were
made
when
you
go
on
the
field
trip
and
see
the
trees
versus
when
we're
speaking
in
generalities
and
you've
not
gone
on
the
field
trip
and
seen
the
trees
and
understand
the
plan.
G
K
When
we
went
to
Vermont
Avenue,
where,
when
Vermont
Avenue
earlier
in
the
process,
you
know
the
streetscape
work
was
on
the
table.
You
would
raise
concerns
about.
You
know
how
professional
was
this
done
and
you
know
were
the
appropriate
processes
followed
and
so
forth,
but
then
on
site.
K
It
was
our
experience
and
knowledge
and
training
in
the
track
process
and
in
the
site
factors
the
tree
factors
that
bring
a
track
qualified
arborist
to
say
this
tree,
probably
shouldn't
stay
okay,
we
and
if
we
were
still
filling
out
track,
forms
for
every
141
trees
or
whatever
I'd
need
to
have
a
full-time
job.
Doing
that
for
the
extent
of
the
process
extend
to
the
project,
but
since
I
have
a
full-time
job,
doing
other
things
as
well.
K
No
I
didn't
do
track
forms
for
all
these
trees,
but
experience
and
training
and
qualification
enabled
me
to
say
I
can
see
why
you
would
want
to
remove
this
tree.
No,
it's
not
necessarily
going
to
fall
down
because
its
roots
are
rotting
off.
So
there
are
trees
that
are
in
that
situation
and
some
trees
that
I
need
to
go
back
with
a
resistor
graph
to
see
how
bad
they
are.
But
it
was
evident
that
the
trees
in
question
could
benefit
the
site
and
the
people
using
the
site
by
not
being
there.
G
There
you
go
yeah,
so
my
response
to
the
90s
of
my
people.
That
said
in
public
comment
and
including
some
certified
and
track
Arbors
that
had
concerns
with
with
what's
being
reported.
My
my
response
to
them
is:
don't
worry,
just
trust
the
city
because
they
say
they
know
what's
best,
it's
basically
what
you're
saying
just
trust
me
did
you
expect.
G
You're
not
providing
any
proper
documentation,
I
would
I
would
fall
back
and
provide
it
Mark.
These
are
a
lot
of
trees
that
are
being
removed
and
we
don't
I
I'm
not
sold
on
the
fact
that
that
many
trees
could
present.
That's
that
severe
risk
that
they
have
to
be
removed
without
other
practices
that
could
mitigate
that
risk.
I
think.
K
Though
it's
been
clearly
pointed
out
that
not
every
tree
removal
is
because
that
tree
was
going
to
fall
down
in
the
next
15
minutes
and
kill
somebody,
but
because
it
was
to
the
benefit
of
making
the
site
functional
for
its
intended
purpose.
So
if
we
wanted
to
keep
all
the
trees,
then
you
can
certainly
have
a
non-functional
non-money-making
golf
course.
That
looks
you
know
really
rough
and
I.
K
Don't
understand
the
point
of
having
a
city
facility
that
doesn't
perform
its
function
and
I
reiterate
that
if
you
would
go
on
the
walk
around
with
Chris
and
see
the
trees
for
yourself
rather
than
forming
opinions,
side,
unseen,
I
think
you
would
probably
corroborate
the
vast
majority
of
what
I've
seen
in
my
impressions
of
it
as
a
professional,
arborist
and
track
qualified.
O
A
O
A
Thank
you
and
Ed.
Thank
you,
because
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
I
received
an
email
from
commission
member
Sharon,
Sumrall
who's
shared.
Basically
the
same
concern
and
I
think
the
concern
is
that
what
we're
seeing
on
paper
is
hard
to
decipher
from,
and
you
know,
arbiculture
perspective
if
I
could
sum
that
up.
For
you
next
hand,
up
I
believe
was
Karen.
F
Hi,
thank
you.
I
did
get
to
go
on
the
tour
with
Chris
and
I
also
went
on
an
additional
tour
with
local
arborist
Chardon
Dietrich
and
I
have
a
couple
questions
that
I
have
from
the
community
members
that
I've
spoken
to
that
I
think
will
maybe
just
help
with
transparency.
F
O
It's
possible,
but
not
again,
nothing
has
been
bid
yet
so
they
would
have
to
bid
on
the
project
and
be
a
little
bitter,
etc,
etc.
In
order
to
be
the
arborist
that
benefits
from
the
report.
F
Okay,
so
when
I
went
around
with
Chardon,
we
noticed
that
many
of
the
trees
marked
for
removal
due
to
leaning
could
be
responding
to
phototropism
so
and
when
trees
grow
like
that,
they
have
special
compression
and
tension
wood
that
helps
to
stabilize
them
so
they're,
potentially
as
stable
as
trees
that
are
growing
more
vertically,
so
I
just
feel
like
that's
important,
to
have
on
record
for
the
trees
that
are
marked
as
leaning
and
slated
for
removal.
F
O
Yes,
I
would
have
to
do
some
digging
in
my
email,
but
we've
had
soil
tests
done
on
greens
and
and
excuse
me
on
a
couple
of
the
fairways
as
well.
F
Okay,
I
think
that
information
would
be
really
helpful
to
share,
because
it's
possible
that
it's
due
to
the
deterioration
of
the
soil,
that's
causing
the
grass
to
not
be
as
healthy
as
possible
and
Oak
Wilt
is
mentioned
as
the
reason
to
remove
mature
Oaks
at
hole,
13.
and
I
inquired
further,
and
there
was
no
lab
test
to
confirm
this
diagnosis.
F
So
my
background
is
in
nursing,
so
we
really
rely
on
evidence-based
research
to
inform
best
practices,
and
this
prompted
me
to
look
into
the
best
management
practices
for
Carolina
golf
courses,
which
is
a
resource
compiled
by
The
Golf
Course,
Superintendent's
Association
of
America,
with
authors
from
Clemson
and
NC
State
University,
and
it
notes
on
page
85
that
nutrient
deficiency
is
caused
by
poor.
F
Soil
can
resemble
diseases
such
as
potassium
or
magnesium
deficiency,
which
might
is
why
I
think
that
soil
test
would
be
really
helpful
to
share
that
information
and
on
25
it
discusses
Environmental
Protection
strategies
from
the
best
management
practices
manual
that
emphasizes
the
incorporating
of
many
natural
features
and
areas
in
the
design
as
possible
to
minimize
disturbance
of
the
existing
ecology.
F
Again,
this
is
best
practices
to
seek
and
create
and
preserve
habitat
areas
that
enhance
the
area's
ecosystem
and
last
sleep
in
the
best
practices
that
I
found
while
I
was
looking
over
was
page
35,
which
discusses
the
Audubon
International
Cooperative
Sanctuary
program
that
was
created
to
educate
people
about
environmental
stewardship,
and
there
are
six
different
areas
that
a
golf
course
could
be
certified,
and
these
are
all
in
the
best
practices
manual.
That
I
feel
like,
because
this
is
city,
property
and
Community.
F
O
And
conveniently
actually
one
of
the
two
greens
that
we
do
have
soil
samples
from
is
green
13,
which
is
where
those
oak
World
trees
are
that
report
the
greens,
soil
sample
actually
literally
came
in
today.
I
have
not
read
it
yet.
The
fairways
was
a
month
or
two
ago,
so
we
will
have
some
more
information
that
I'll
probably
work
with
Marco
on,
because
I'm
not
going
to
know
enough
about
how
that
ties
in
with
the
oak
will,
but
that
will
be
his
world
for
sure
buckle.
F
Sorry,
sorry
about
that,
so
it's
also
important
to
note
that
glyphosate
cancellate
minerals
in
the
soil.
So
if
the
test
includes
a
glyphosate
level
that
would
be
indicative
of
whether
or
not
the
minerals
in
the
soil
are
even
available
to
the
surrounding
plants.
K
Yeah
I
wanted
to
clarify
a
point
about
trees
on
the
edges
of
the
roughs
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
the
right
term
for
the
wooded
part,
but
the
concern
with
those
a
lot
of
them
is
not
that
the
tree
is
going
to
fail
because
it
doesn't
have
adequate
compensatory
roots
on
the
tension
side
of
the
tree
or
something.
K
K
You
know
annually
the
the
stand
in
itself
is
creating
more
Forest,
you
know,
and
that's
that's
actually
how
this
site
got
as
rough
and
Woody
as
it
is.
If
you
look
at
aerial
photography,
comparing
this
site
with
any
other
Golf
Course
or
all
of
them,
which
I
did
in
the
Asheville
area,
this
is
a
very
furry
Golf
Course,
the
majority
of
golf
courses
in
the
area.
You
can
see
why
they
would
have
gone
with
that
500
or
a
thousand
tree
removal
plan,
because
that's
how
they
get
enough
light
to
grow
grass.
B
Enough
of
an
expert
on
trees
to
offer
any
any
useful
information
or
even
to
ask
a
smart
question,
but
I
do
find
it
Riley
amusing,
that
the
removal
of
these
150
trees
or
whatever
is
estimated
to
cost
about
as
much
as
we're
going
to
ask
for
to
preserve
all
the
trees
in
Asheville
next
year,
doing
a
study
and
and
creating
a
urban
forestry
plan.
It
just
seems
boggling
to
me
that
that
amount
of
money
is
necessary
to
cut
down
trees,
to.
O
C
Yes,
just
to
make
sure
I'm
reading
this
chart
correctly,
there
are
six
trees
slated
for
removal
for
golf
purposes.
Is
that
correct.
O
2025
I
will
do
that
again.
So
that's
the
trees
that
I
mentioned
earlier
that
the
two
arborists,
including
Mark,
said
you
know.
I
can't
give
you
a
good
arborist
justification
for
why
this
tree
should
come
down
if
you're
bringing
this
tree
down.
It
is
strictly
for
golf
purposes
and
so
a
good
number
of
those
we
did
move
to
the
prune
cycle,
but
there
are
some
that
we
have
listed
as
removed
and
those
were
there's
it's
perfectly
healthy
tree
to
be
completely
up
front.
There's
nothing
wrong
with
it.
C
H
C
So
no
I
I
understand
the
need
to
remove
some
trees
for
strictly
golf
purposes.
C
Although
I
don't
like
that,
I
understand
that
that's
just
par
for
the
course
pardon
my
pun,
but
I
would
think
that,
for
the
rest
of
the
trees
that
are
slated
for
removal,
think
I
think
that
where
Ed
and
was
going
and
and
others
is
that
we
should
make
every
effort
to
see
whether
those
trees
can
be
preserved,
whether
it's
for
another
two
years,
another
15
years
as
opposed
to
just
having
them
removed
and
so
I
would
agree
that
we
need
to
have
a
more
technical
assessment
of
the
trees
that
are
slated
for
removal.
O
And
I
don't
want
to
put
mark
on
the
spot
here,
but
I'm
about
to
so
I
apologize,
Mark,
but
I
guess
I,
wouldn't
I
would
note
you
know
I
I've
not
had
involvement
with
the
golf
course
until
January
of
this
year.
O
Just
to
be
upfront,
I
have
been
around
the
golf
course
for
about
a
decade,
not
a
golfer,
just
in
just
the
general
area,
but
is
it
correct
Mark
in
that,
within
the
first
year
or
two
of
Pope
golf
coming
into
operating,
they
were
proposing
a
significant
tree
removal
plan,
but
they
couldn't
one
get
funding
and
two.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
City
support
for
it,
so
they
stopped
pushing
for
it
and
it
was
for
all
of
these
same
reasons.
Is
that
accurate,
I
think
I'll
recall
it
about
that
way.
Yeah
yeah
and.
O
Would
say
is
this
is
not
new,
it's
just
that
there
has
not
been
funding
for
it
ever
before,
and
we're
about
to
invest
a
significant
amount
of
money
both
from
the
tourism
Development
Authority
and
from
the
city
to
really
upfit
that
course,
and
make
it
financially
sustainable
for
years
to
come,
and
it's
that
opportunity
to
really
do
something
that
city
and
county
and
a
private
operator
in
the
past
have
all
wanted
to
do,
tried
to
do
and
been
unsuccessful
in
doing
and
that
that
could
make
a
really
big
boost
for
that
neighborhood
and
that
Golf
Course,
Long
Term
and
we're
needing
city,
ordinances
and
policy
with
the
replanting
plan
in
the
total
overall
canopies.
C
In
my
final
question
and
comment
would
be
I
didn't
hear
quite
a
firm
commitment
to
get
responses
to
the
questions
that
Karen
raised.
O
A
All
right
back
to
Cecil
yeah.
B
O
Yes,
so
the
greens
fees
are
actually
essentially
the
same
as
they
were
in
2015..
They
haven't
had
any
significant
rate
increases
Pope
told
me
as
they
were
on
their
way
out
that
they
have
not
increased
it
because
they
felt
like
the
quality
of
the
course
dictated
that
they
had
to
keep
it
at
a
lower
rate,
especially
with
inflation
and
and
the
increase
in
usage.
O
Over
the
last
few
years,
we
are
planning
on
doing
a
rate
increase
starting
on
April
1st,
so
there'll
be
not
a
huge
increase
for
locals,
but
anybody
that
does
not
have
a
city
of
Asheville
address
will
have
locals
city
of
Asheville
residents.
The
rate
goes
up
roughly
five
percent
for
non-
city
of
Asheville
residents,
which
is
county
and
anywhere
Beyond.
O
It's
pretty
significant
in
the
20
range,
and
we
do
have
a
planned
scope
for
that
out
of
Market
rates
to
go
up
even
more
once
we
complete
Renovations,
using
examples
from
both
Wilmington
Charleston
and,
of
course,
outside
of
Philadelphia.
It's
not
abnormal
for
the
out
of
market
rate
to
be
tripled
out
of
the
local
rate,
to
help
the
course
be
more
financially
stable.
A
Zoe
you'll
be
next
one,
so
I
just
wanted
to
myself
piggyback
on
what
Cecil
just
mentioned
and
I
know.
This
isn't
purely
a
tree
piece
of
this,
but
I
do
want
to
highlight.
You
know
Chris
mentioned
at
the
beginning
of
his
presentation
how
historically
significant
and
locally
significant.
This
golf
course
is
particularly
for
equity
and
the
black
Golf,
Community
and
I
do
think
it's
extremely
important
for
the
overall
Golf
Course
restoration,
so
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
and,
of
course,
we're
concerned
about
the
trees.
A
That's
why
we're
all
sitting
here
and
so
I,
don't
know.
If
anyone
with
the
specific
concerns
about
tree
health
is
ready
to
step
up
and
propose
to
be
the
one
to
look
at
them
themselves.
I'm,
not
a
certified
Arborist,
so
I
cannot
help
with
that
myself,
but
maybe
that's
something
that
this
group
could
help
with
even
more.
A
But
I
do
think
that
we've
had
a
good
conversation
with
the
city
to
this
point
and
as
far
as
the
UFC
as
long
as
we
stay
with
communication
and
moving
forward,
that's
what
we
can
provide
and
then
recommendations
for
how
they
can
move
forward
with
a
more
sustainable
tree
approach.
A
Also
Chris
didn't
mention,
but
he
did
on
our
our
golf
cart
trip
through
the
golf
course
that
the
city
is
looking
at
some
of
the
more
sustainable
maintenance
practices
such
as
the
fertilizers
and
things
like
that,
it's
all
over
the
gulf
community
and
I.
From
my
understanding
talking
to
Chris,
we
are
not
going
to
be
an
exception
to
that
Trend
in
moving
forward
more
sustainable
golf
course
management
practices.
So
he
can
address
that
further.
D
Go
ahead,
and
actually
the
two
things
I
was
going
to
mention
have
directly
to
do
with
what
Amy
mentioned.
First
I
was
actually
very
impressed
with
the
project
as
a
whole,
especially
the
prospect
of
restoring
some
of
the
Wetland
capacity
to
the
and
removing
a
lot
of
the
invasives
that
are
not
listed
on
here,
as
well
as
what
could
be
perceived
as
invasive
trees.
D
So
I
think,
if
there's
an
a
real-
and
this
is
just
my
suggestion-
I'm
not
an
expert,
but
if
there
is
a
re-evaluation
of
the
trees
to
be
cut,
I
would
limit
those
to
the
actual
oak
trees
of
a
certain
size
and
over
just
to
kind
of
keep
the
scope
of
the
work.
Reasonable,
I
personally,
also
really
like
shortleaf
Pines,
but
I
was
I,
accepted
the
reason
for
removing
those
and
they're
all
in
one
place.
So
if
anybody
else
has
as
concerns
about
that,
they
could
also
look
at
that
area.
D
The
second
thing
that
I
was
going
to
mention
also
is
that
the
two
callers
talked
about
maintenance
practices
and
what
the
future
of
those
would
be
in
terms
of
chemicals
and
I
I.
Think
that's
a
really
good
point
that
might
be
conveyed
to
the
public
to
allay
some
of
those
fears.
So
those
are
just
the
two
points
that
I
was
going
to
bring
up.
O
So,
of
course,
superintendents
are
actually
significantly
more
reliant
on
water,
airflow
and
sunlight
than
they
used
to
be
in
the
past,
which
is
good
right
because
you
have
runoff
and
it
pollutes
the
rivers
and
all
the
various
things.
But
then
it
also
requires
significant,
more
acts,
significantly
more
access
to
Sun
and
airflow
and
water.
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
retain
the
water
for
the
irrigation,
lift
up
the
canopy
and
then
place
this
removed
so
that
we
can
get
all
three
of
those
things.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
What
other
questions
do
we
have
for
Chris
while
we
have
him
here
as
a
group?
Of
course
you
know
our
goal.
Our
mandate
is
to
advise
city
council.
That's
another
thing:
I
just
wanted
to
address
real
quick
in
a
lot
of
the
comments
and
emails
I've
received.
They
were
asking
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
reject
this
plan,
but
we
actually
don't
have
any
power
to
do
so.
A
We
can
make
recommendations
to
city
council,
as
can
any
citizen,
so
that
might
be
a
recommendation
for
the
citizenry
who
is
concerned
that
city
council
might
have
more
of
a
say
than
than
we
do
as
a
group.
We're
here
to
coordinate,
help
assist
and
you
know
really
look
after
the
trees
that
are
present
and
the
ones
that
will
go
in
for
the
future.
So
we
do
not
have
power
to
just
unilaterally
reject
this
plan,
so
what
we
can
do
if
anybody
so
chose.
As
this
group,
we
can
provide
recommendations
and
I.
A
Believe
Chris
has
heard
our
concerns
and
our
recommendations
would
be
maybe
one
more
completely
separate,
arborist
report.
You
know
someone
who's
not
going
to
be
involved
in
removal,
not
involved
with
the
city
and
not
going
to
benefit
down
the
line
from
Trio
removal
as
someone
else
to
go
out
and
conduct
a
report
for
the
trees
that
are
still
slated
for
removal.
That
would
be
one
recommendation.
The
second
would
be
I,
do
not
see
here
yet
and
maybe
we're
just
not
there
yet,
but
any
specifics
about
the
replanting
plan.
A
What
species
would
be
going
in?
That's
another
thing
that
this
group
would
be
concerned
with.
Obviously
we
want
native
species
if
we're
taking
out
a
bunch
of
Oaks.
How
many
more
can
we
put
in
inappropriate
places,
for
example,
so
those
would
be
the
recommendations
that
I
would
have
just
informally
to
Chris
as
the
Director,
but
as
a
group
we
could
make
more
formal
recommendations
if
we
choose
so.
G
I
I
would
like
to
see
for
those
trees
that
are
being
removed
because
they're,
hazardous
I
I
would
like
to
see
that
risk
assessment
conducted
according
to
the
a300
part
9
and
the
best
accompanying
me
best
management
practice,
because
I
I
don't
think
that
was
done
and
you
know
we
have
to.
G
We
have
to
keep
in
mind
that
some
of
these
are
pretty
mature
oak
trees
and
it's
a
historic
golf
course,
and
these
trees
are
part
of
the
golf
course's
history,
but
I
I
I
think
that
we,
we
really
should
be
as
cautious
as
possible,
making
decisions
to
remove
these
trees
and
to
use
techniques
to
mitigate
any
risk
or
to
improve
shade
or
to
offset
any
negative
effect
on
playing
the
game
of
golf
in
our
decision
to
remove.
G
A
C
Yeah
I
I
agree
Madam,
chair
with
your
list
of
recommendations
as
well
as
the
one
that
Ed
just
made.
I
would
like
to
see
those
recommendations
be
formalized
with
with
a
list
and
a
vote.
A
C
So
I'm
not
really
clear
on
the
time
frame
here,
whether
that
would
give
us
enough
time
to
make
recommendations
to
hopefully
influence
or
affect
the
the
plan
or
whether
these
trees
would
be
will
start
coming
down
by
then
I
I,
don't
know
it's.
A
Possible
we
can
just
verbalize
it
and
vote
on
it
as
a
recommendation
if
that
works
as
well.
F
I
would
like
to
just
reiterate
the
need
for
information
about
the
soil
test
and
the
minerals
and
herbicides
like
glyphosate
to
be
in
that.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
E
A
C
A
Any
as
discussion
or
Corrections
on
the
motion
go
ahead:
Ed
you're
on
mute,
go
ahead
and
come
off.
You're
fine,
I.
G
I
would
like
to
add
one
more
thing
and
that's
to
also
explore
alternatives
to
removal
where
there
are
issues
related
to
shade
and
and
turf
conflicts.
A
D
Again,
I
would
I'm
looking
at
the
list
and
you
know,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
white
pines
on
hole,
five
that
are
dying,
Hazard
or
replace.
Do
we
want
this
arborist
to
have
to
go
through
and
evaluate
all
of
the
trees
or
or
the
ones
that
we're
most
concerned
about.
H
A
F
C
C
Chair
as
this
person
who's,
second,
a
demotion
I
agree
with
Ed's
Amendment
to
the
motion
perfect.
O
One
quick
question
related
to
the
replanting
plan
and
specific
varieties
since
we
aren't
planning
to
replant
until
the
fall
does
that
need
to
come
before
any
trees,
start
being
removed
or
just
a
commitment
of
size
of
canopy
and
then
come
back
later
in
the
summer,
when
we
actually
know
like
what
varieties
are
available
to
us
locally
and
what
they
are
with
the
replanting
portion
of
the
plan.
I'd.
A
Be
okay
with
that,
as
long
as
it's
before
they
go
in
yeah,
because
we
can
see
endoservice,
aware,
there's
stakes
in
the
ground
for
the
proposed
locations
of
the
trees,
based
on
the
full
plan
of
the
renovation
and,
if
you're
out
there
there's
a
couple
places
and
Chris
mentioned
this,
where
there's
pieces
of
the
golf
course
and
there's
no
golfing,
and
so
the
goal
is
to
really
saturate
some
of
those
areas
with
more
trees,
even
beyond
what
what's
there
now
so
anyway.
The
point
of
that
is
yes,
Chris,
I'm.
O
Yeah
and
just
because
you
mentioned
the
stakes,
we
have
had
some
issues
with
people
taking
our
stakes
and
taking
the
ribbons
off
of
the
trees.
So
we've
been
trying
to
keep
up
with
getting
those
back
on
they're
kind
of
checking
every
day
or
two,
but
you
may
see
something
that
looks
like
it
should
be
there
or
it
was
and
hasn't.
That's
just
because
we're
dealing
with
that
currently,
but
we're
putting
them
back
as
quickly
as
we
can.
Okay.
A
K
Motion
go
ahead.
Yeah
proceed
the
real
question
about
the
assessment.
If
we
understand
that
there's
a
Continuum
on
these
proposed
removals
between
something
that
is
exclusively
golf
related
and
something
that
is
exclusively
risk
related
and
there's
a
blend
of
those
in
between
the
person
doing
the
assessment
on
removal
of
you
know
this
long
list
of
trees
they're
not
going
to
have
high
risk
ratings
on
Plenty
of
the
trees
that
need
to
come
out.
K
A
What
the
community
has
requested
is
they
want
to
know
more
about
the
details
of
all
of
these
trees
and
you
know
maybe
the
category
changes
and
more
of
these
are
labeled
as
golf
purposes
than
Hazard.
You
know
so,
but
that's
a
separate
discussion
than
the
lack
of
detail
in
this
report
does
that
make
sense
sure
that's
what
I'm
seeing
is
the
difference.
So,
okay,
all
right.
Okay,
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
on
our
motion
as
our
recommendation,
so
starting
with
Ed
hi.
G
A
Hi,
thank
you:
Cecil
hi,
Patrick,
hi,
Karen,
hi
and
I
vote
aye,
so
the
recommendation
passes
and
I
guess.
I
just
want
to
sum
up
by
thanking
Chris
and
Mark
for
all
the
work
up
to
this
point
and
reiterate
that
what
Chris
said
if
we
want
to
take
another
tour
and
everyone
wants
to
go
out
and
be
on
site
and
look
at
some
of
this,
let's
do
that.
I
I
found
it
to
be
extremely
helpful
to
put
everything
in
perspective
on.
What's
going
on
out
there
all
right.
Thank
you
Chris.
A
Thank
you
guys
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
All
Right
Moving
On.
So
since
we
amended
the
agenda,
we
are
now
on
Old
business,
starting
with
working
group,
updates
real
quick.
What
we
added
to
the
agenda
for
transparency
and
organization
was
working
group
members
listed
on
the
agenda
in
a
separate
section,
but
I
made
a
mistake
and
the
budget
working
group-
and
you
all
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
should
not
include
Patrick.
A
C
Yes,
Regis
recently
received
the
cities
suggested
amendments
for
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation,
ordinance,
719
I,
asked
Chris
Collins
to
well.
Let
me
back
up
the
policy
working
group
met
last
week
to
go
over
that
document.
Sharon
Sumrall
did
her
own
independent,
deep
analysis
of
the
document
and
Ed
and
I
were
the
only
ones
who
were
available
for
the
policy
group
leading
we
took
Sharon's
detailed
analysis
and
went
through
all
the
proposed
changes
in
in
detail.
C
C
I'll
just
generally
say
that
you
know
about
a
third
of
their
recommendations.
We
agree
with
about
a
third.
We
don't
agree
with
in
about
a
third.
We
have
questions
about.
So
once
we
get
those
comments
into
that
document.
For
the
city
to
review.
We'll
share
that
information
with
the
rest
of
the
commission.
C
No?
Okay,
so
that's
where
we
are
probably
in
all
likelihood,
because
the
Christmas
holidays
are
quickly
approaching
we're
not
likely
to
actually
sit
down
with
City
staff
and
go
back
and
forth
on
those
recommendations
until
after
the
first
of
the
year.
So
I'll
be
glad
to
take
any
questions.
If
anyone
has
any
oh
I
will
say
in
one
detail,
the
city
did
add
Heritage
trees
as
a
mention
of
that
as
one
of
their
amendments.
However,
they
didn't
have
any
description
of
what
the
Heritage
tree
is.
C
Ed
wrote
one
to
include
in
the
revisions
of
chapter
20..
We
will
include
that
same
description
in
719.
A
Okay,
any
questions
for
Patrick
or
the
policy
group
all
right,
thanks
Patrick
for
all
your
work
on
that,
it's
awesome.
C
C
What's
the
the
city
staff
has
has
done
to
chapter
20
after
the
first
of
the
year
and
review
that
and
then
get
a
meeting
with
the
city
to
again
go
back
and
forth
and
come
to
some
kind
of
resolution.
A
Good,
thank
you
and
we'll
talk
in
a
minute
about
our
annual
retreat,
but
I.
Imagine
that
a
chunk
of
time
will
be
so
that
we
can
all
get
together
on
where
we're
at
with
policy,
because
it
sounds
like
it's
all
going
to
be
coming
together
around
that
time.
So
we'll
plan
ahead.
For
that.
Thank
you
is
that
it
any
questions
all
right.
So
the
budget
request
working
group
I,
know
Dawn,
isn't
here,
but
I
saw
some
emails
that
they
were
coordinating
a
meeting.
Anyone
here
did
you
all
have
a
meeting.
B
Yes,
we
did
Don
and
Ed
and
I
met
yesterday
to
talk
about
the
budget
and
it's
it's
good
news
that
we
got
the
urban
forestry
Urban
Forester,
positioned
through
in
the
last
budget
session
and
and
going
forward.
B
It's
pretty
clear
that
the
to
accomplish
our
goals,
including
the
urban
Forest
management
plan,
we
need
to
assess
what
we
already
have,
and
so
the
two
pieces
of
that
seem
to
be
at
the
low
end,
maybe
150
000
for
the
assessment
of
our
current
forest
and
then
perhaps
another
75
000
for
creating
the
plan,
so
we're
suggesting
that
a
minimum
mask
might
be
225
thousand
dollars.
B
Maybe
we
should
aim
for
275
thousand
as
an
initial
ask,
because
we'll
get
pushback
no
doubt
and
and
if
the
pushback
goes
far
enough,
the
assessment
would
be
the
thing
we
mostly
need
to
get
first
before
we
have
the
basis
for
creating
the
plan.
So
that's
what
we
arrived
at
our
meeting
do.
B
G
This
is
related
to
the
group.
That's
working
on
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
and
we
I
I
started
yesterday
converting
the
documents
that
we
have
into
a
scope
of
work
for
the
comprehensive
Urban
Forest
master
plan
and
in
the
inventory
and
we'll
be
able
to
co-mingle
the
documents
from
the
budget
working
group
with
the
master
plan
working
group.
So
we'll
have
a
single,
unified
budget
request
with
all
that
information
contained
and
I
should
have
that
done.
A
Great
perfect
and
then
just
pigtail
on
that
since
we're
all
together.
So
then
the
master
plan
group
can
come
in
and
and
take
a
look
at
that
and
have
something
sort
of
finalized
to
send
to
both
the
urban
Forester
when
they're
hired
and
the
budget
working
group
for
the
request,
so
perfect,
yep
and
then
Patrick.
C
Yeah
sisu
was
at
275
000
figure
the
amount
that
you're
suggesting
we
ask
the
city
for.
B
C
And
maybe
this
will
come
up
in
a
later
item,
Madam
chair,
but
we
had
I
think
some
discussion
about
whether
or
not
we
could
use
any
of
the
fee
move
funds
to
help
pay
for
this.
Is
that
still
on
the
table
or
have
we
not
got
any
kind
of
affirmative
response
from
the
city
about
how
those
fee
lufons
can
actually
be
spent?.
A
Yeah
you're,
the
latter
part
of
that
is
correct.
I
would
not
hold
my
breath
for
family
funds.
It
would
definitely
be
something
we
could
integrate
into
and
ask
you
know
or
recommend
that
those
funds
be
used
in
that
way,
but
I
have
a
feeling.
This
is
just
my
interpretation
that
that's
going
to
get
messy
and
tied
up
and
might
have
trouble
getting
pushed
through.
A
You
know
I
could
be
wrong
and
city
council
just
makes
the
decision
and
and
uses
the
money
in
a
specific
way,
but
my
guess
would
be
that
that
may
not
be
so
easy
so
again,
something
we
can
request,
but
I
I
don't
see
that
being
a
easy
process,
at
least
until
the
urban
Forester
is
in
place.
C
Patrick
yeah,
the
last
discussion
I
believe
we
had
with
the
city
which
I
believe
included
the
assistant.
City
attorney
was
that
the
fee
and
low
funds
could
be
used
for
anything
other
than
operational
costs,
so
in
other
words,
it
can
be
used
for
one-time
expenditures,
which,
of
course,
this
would
be.
A
Yeah,
it's
my
understanding
that
that
would
be
an
acceptable
use
under
the
ordinance,
but
I
think
that's
a
separate
thing
from
actually
getting
approval
to
spend
the
money
in
any
specific
way.
But,
yes,
you
are
right
that
our
our
guidance
was
that
that
is
a
use
Under
the
Umbrella,
the
way
the
ordinance
is
written.
Thank
you.
Nancy.
L
L
We
currently
do
not
have,
as
in
the
report,
you
can
see
funds
and
all
the
resource
management
districts,
which
would
be
part
of
potentially
an
issue
with
pooling
funds
to
have
a
city-wide
plan.
A
H
Got
you
guys
got
to
exactly
the
place?
I
was
gonna
say,
that's
the
greatest
difficulty
using
those
right
now,
so
we
don't
have
money
in
each
district.
Yet
so.
A
Actually,
that's
the
that's
one
that
we
would
expect
to
have
plenty.
You
know,
because
all
right,
no
because
they
don't
have
a
requirement-
is
that
their
requirements
are
less,
and
so
we
would
expect
a
I,
don't
know
I
guess
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
think
that
it
the
way
it
was
written
it.
It
should
be
an
option
even
for
Central
business,
district,
Chris,
good.
H
Foreign,
just
adding
my
insight
to
that
from
talking
to
applicants
and
Developers
a
lot
of
downtown
projects,
smaller
downtown
projects,
don't
involve
new
buildings
and
when
they
do
they're
pretty
large
and
we're
seeing
we
haven't
seen
this
come
to
fruition
yet,
but
we
are
seeing
plans
drawn
up
that
do
include
fee
and
lose
so
I
think.
Once
some
of
these
come
along,
you
will
see
that,
although
the
requirements
are
smaller,
there's.
J
A
Good
any
other
questions
on
that
point,
so
that
really
kind
of
brought
us
into
the
fee
and
Lou
working
group,
which
we've
really
just
still
been
talking
about
all
these
same
issues
and
trying
to
kind
of
figure
out
like
what
would
a
framework
look
like
you
know
something
we
could
help
the
urban
Forester
with
their
job
when
it's
time
so
nothing
new
in
that
group
or
before
it's
master
plan.
A
It
already
gave
us
the
update,
we're
working
on
a
scope
of
work
so
that
when
we
do
have
the
urban
Forester
we
can
be.
You
know
here's
what
we
envision,
you
know
and
go
from
there
and
that
that
will
then
help
the
budget
working
group
as
well
with
their
with
what
our
overall
ask
for
Budget
any
between
all
of
those
working
groups,
any
other
anything
I
missed
any
questions
and
at
our
Retreat,
we'll
deep
dive
into
all
of
these
as
well.
The
last
one
is
our
newest
working
group,
the
recommended
species
list.
F
Well,
I
got
really
fired
up
to
work
on
this
list
when
I
accessed
it
through
American
legal
I
accessed
it
through
the
Udo
in
American,
legal,
but
I
think
it
was
just
accidentally.
F
The
older
version
was
transported
to
American
legal
for
mini
code,
so
the
updated
version
that
Sharon
has
is
fantastic.
She's
done
a
really
great
job
on
it.
I
had
seen
the
old
version
and
noticed
that
Brad
prepare
was
on
it
and
burning
bush
was
on
it
and
was
like
wait
a
minute
that
has
to
go.
F
You
know,
but
she's
already
done
that,
and
so
we've
moved
on
to
focusing
on
Native
species
and
perhaps
including
a
cover
letter,
including
or
focusing
on
promoting
native
trees
and
shrubs
for
pollinators
and
recommending
that
people
leave
the
leaves
for
pollinators
a
little
bit
of
Education,
perhaps
ahead
of
the
recommended
species
list
and,
along
with
that,
some
research
on
native
trees
regarding
their
suitability
for
Street
trees,
yard
parking,
lots,
downtown
settings
and
other
things
that
are
based
on
the
RSL
from
I.
F
Think
it's
in
Georgia,
Decatur
Georgia
that
maybe
Ed
suggested
as
a
guideline
and
and
then
two
other
species
that
were
recommended
by
local
arborists,
perhaps
to
be
added,
are
black
locust,
which
is
a
pioneer
species
in
Catalpa.
So
maybe
just
we
can
consider
those
additions
and,
and
then
I
had
a
couple.
A
Yeah
so
hold
your
two
questions:
I
just
saw
Mark's
hand
go
up,
did
that
relate
to
recommended
species
list.
K
Yeah,
the
the
standard
specifications
in
detail
manual,
as
it
still
exists,
has
sorry
I'm.
Gonna
take
my
hand
down
there.
We
go
has
the
old
list,
because
that's
the
new
list,
I,
don't
think
ever
made
it
onto
the
detail
manual
yet
because
it
hadn't
finished,
going
through
its
its
update
process,
so
the
the
list
that
is
newer
and
longer
and
has
far
more
species
and
far
more
categories
and
whatever
than
the
old
list.
K
My
experience
of
sharing
that
with
with
homeowners
when
I,
want
to
know
what
type
of
treatment
might
you
be
interested
in
having
back
in
your
yard,
it
makes
their
eyes
roll
up
in
their
head,
there's
so
many
options
there
and
so
many
categories.
So
many
pages.
K
If
so,
my
request
on
behalf
of
those
citizens
is
if
the
new
new
species
list
can
sort
of
be
in
between
the
old
one
and
the
last
new
one
somewhere
as
far
as
how
thick
it
is,
it
would
make
it
more
user
friendly
for
our
citizens.
And,
probably
you
know
anybody
who's
trying
to
you
know,
comply
with
with
Building
Development
rules.
You
know
and
make
they're
not
treat
people.
It
would
make
it
a
lot
easier
for
them.
You
know,
that's
the
suggestion.
F
K
Line
there
right-
and
you
know
things
that
are
actually
available
in
nurseries-
that
that's
important
information
too.
You
know
I,
don't
know
how
many
nurseries
are
growing.
Some
of
the
trees
that
you
know
would
look
good
on
the
list.
You
know
if
people
can't
get
a
hold
of
them,
yeah
kind
of
frustrating
for
them.
G
Yeah
to
answer
Karen's
other
question
regarding
silver
cells,
the
the
committee
that
was
working
on
that
was
looking
at
broader
issues
than
just
silver
cells,
but
more
focused
on
planting
requirements,
soil
ion
requirements,
third
party
inspections
for
newly
planted
trees,
things
like
that
and
I
know.
The
committee's
work
is
done,
I,
don't
know
where
the
city
is
with
rolling
out
all
of
the
work
that
the
committee
has
done.
G
There
are
still
some
occasional,
like
I,
guess,
lack
of
a
better
word.
Loose
Ends
vadilla
sends
messages
out
to
the
group
asking
some
questions
and
we've
had
one
one.
Recent
recommendation
to
him:
that
complements
the
urban
Forest
master
plan
and
and
that's
to
develop
a
detailed
downtown
planting
plan
so
that
we'd
have
specific
trees
for
locations
based
on
exposure
with
the
sidewalk
available
soil
iron.
G
Things
like
that
right,
rather
than
trying
to
cookbook
everything
that
gets
planted,
we
have
an
actual
plan
in
place,
so
you
know
I
guess
one
thing
I
can
do
is
circle
back
with
the
deal
and
ask
them
what
his
timeline
is
to
roll
this
stuff
out,
but
I
don't
really
know
where
they
are
at
this
point.
Beyond
that,.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Patrick.
C
Yeah
I'm
not
sure
whether
this
is
the
appropriate
place
in
the
agenda
to
bring
this
up,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
it
on
the
commission's
radar.
C
You
know
the
city
is
hiring
a
consultant
to
study
the
missing
middle
housing
issue
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
and
that
initiative
is
being
led
by
planning
an
Urban,
Design
and
I
understand
that
there's
been
some
discussion
about
exempting
certain
missing
middle
housing
projects
from
the
tree.
Canopy
preservation
ordinance
as
far.
J
C
I
know
it's
just
preliminary
discussion
about
this
in
terms
of
the
Coalition
of
Asheville
neighborhoods.
We
have
already
got
a
recommendation
from
plant
and
Urban
Design
that
if
they
put
together
any
kind
of
task
force
or
group
that
would
delve
more
deeply
into
the
missing
middle
housing
issue
that
can
be
at
that
table,
I
think
it
would
be
worth
our
effort
to
get
the
same
kind
of
pledge
from
planning
an
urban
design
that
there
have
been
forestry
commission
also
be
not
only
represented
at
that
table.
C
But
if
that
the
consultant
is
going
to
talk
to
stakeholders
about
missing
mental
housing,
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
be
one
of
those
stakeholders.
A
Okay,
I
think
that
is
definitely
worth
talking
about.
Let's
hold
that
for
just
a
moment.
I
do
think
we
can
work
that
in
here
where
we're
talking
about
our
working
groups,
but
I
did
want
to
Circle
back
before
we
got
too
far
away
from
Karen's
second
question,
because
there
was
the
one
about
the
silver
cells
and
planting.
That's
part
of
the
standards
and
specifications
update
that
Ed
was
talking
about.
F
A
The
issue
enforcement
and
our
hope
is
that,
along
with
the
urban
Forester,
not
that
they
would
go
around
doing
all
the
enforcement
but
sort
of
be
the
point
of
contact
to
help
with
enforcement
in
kind
of
all
of
our
tree
issues.
Because
I
think
that's
where
that
one
Falls
aside.
G
Right
and
with
third-party
inspections,
we
can
ensure
that
the
trees
are
planted
correctly
according
to
standard
details
and
their
quality
plant
material
so
and
then,
with
some
enforcement.
I
think
that
will
will
be
in
good
shape
with
that.
A
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
Patrick's
Point
about
the
missing
middle
housing,
but
I
wanted
to
get
to
the
hands
up
Nancy.
Did
you
sell
something?
Are
you.
L
I
was
going
to
say,
I
believe
the
council
has
requested
that
Padilla
continued
to
work
on
the
Landscaping
amendments,
because
both
of
those
questions
are
under
the
Landscaping
amendments
that
vadilla
is
working
on
and
has
been
working
on
with
working
groups.
B
I
was
thinking
to
address
Mark's
concerns
about
the
over
choice,
I,
wonder
if
it'd
be
possible
to
go
through
the
list
and
I
would
volunteer
to
do
this
and
I
might
regret
it
and
see
if
there's
some
way
to
asterisk.
The
species
that
are
available
in
the
area
readily
available.
I
mean
I'm,
not
exactly
how
you
define
it,
but
you
know
if
you
find
species
that
nobody
here
locally
carries.
B
A
A
Hey
all
right.
Well,
thank
you.
That's
a
good
idea.
Okay,
so
did
we
get
all
of
those
okay,
so
back
to
the
missing
middle
housing
through
planning
and
Urban
Development.
A
You
know,
however,
we
want
to
tackle
this
I
propose
that
maybe
it
starts
with
the
chair
reaching
out
through
the
context
in
the
city
and
seeing
if
we
can
be,
you
know,
sort
of
brought
into
the
fold
with
that
discussion
and
if
it,
if
that's,
not
a
favorable
response
with
that
level
of
Outreach,
then
we
can
push
it
in
some
other
way.
That's
an
idea.
Patrick
I.
C
Think
that's
a
good
idea.
I
would
send
your
email
requests
to
Todd
local,
Cheney
and
vadilla
because
vanilla,
it's
actually
hitting
this
initiative.
A
Perfect
got
it
okay.
Well,
then,
I'll
start
with
that
as
a
task
for
myself
and
I'll
report
back
at
the
retreat
or
sooner,
if
need
be,
where
we're
at
with
that
any
other
discussion
on
that
that
piece
there.
It
sounds
like
it's
in
the
works,
so
we'll
we'll
add
it
to
the
agenda
as
a
line
item
that
we
can
revisit
as
old
business
all
right,
then
we
are
at
okay,
the
boards
and
commissions
realignment.
A
So
I,
don't
know
if
everybody
saw
it,
it
was
hidden
in
the
news,
but
the
official
boards
and
commissions
realignment
has
been
pulled
by
city
council
that
is
no
longer
on
the
table
at
all.
There
is
an
active
citizen
working
group
working
on
behind
the
scenes
to
assess
boards
and
commissions
as
a
whole
and
see
if
there
is
still
the
need
for
any
sort
of
improvement
or
revision
there.
A
So
you
hopefully
received
a
survey
as
a
current
member
of
a
volunteer
Advisory
Board
to
complete
the
survey
and
provide
feedback
on
your
experience
to
that
group.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
so
that
information
is
just
currently
going
to
be
used
to
help
that
working
group,
you
know,
get
a
feel
for
people's
experiences
and
if
there
is
even
a
need
to
realign
or
reassess
or
re-envision
working
groups,
so
there
is
now
a
new
working
group
working
on
working
groups.
A
H
A
We
also
kept
on
the
agenda
that
Duke
Energy
Rankin
street
project.
There
is
no
motion
going
on
there,
there's
nothing
in
the
works
that
we've
seen
I've,
Haley
and
I,
trying
to
keep
tabs
on
if
there
is
a
public
meeting
that
they
have
suggested,
but
nothing's
going
on
so
we're
just
keeping
it
on
the
agenda
for
now
in
case,
something
happens
eventually
might
fall
off,
but
it's
still
out
there
there's
still
websites
that
talk
about
this
potential
project
but
as
far
as
we
know,
nothing's
happening.
So
that's
the
update,
nothing
new.
A
We
already
discussed
the
municipal
golf
course.
Tree
Project
brings
us
to
the
annual
Retreat.
You
should
have
all
received
a
Google
invitation
to
the
retreat
Friday
January
13th
at
9,
00
A.M,
we'll
have
a
good
Friday.
The
13th
meeting
it'll
be
in
person
at
the
Public
Works
building
we're
having
it
in
room
a109.
If
you're
familiar
with
that
room,
it
has
the
big
doors
that
open
up
on
the
side.
So,
if
need
be,
we
can
open
the
doors
so
bring
a
coat
so
that
we
can
ventilate
as
needed.
A
A
If
you
would
like
to
attend
in
person-
and
we
really
hope
everybody
will
be
there,
so
the
other
piece
to
that
is
that
we're
going
to
have
just
a
optional
voluntary
fun
lunch.
After
so
maybe
mark
your
calendar
for
get
grabbing
some
lunch.
This
would
be
a
just
informal
us
going
out
and
hanging
out
any
questions
on
the
retreat.
Oh,
if
you
have
Retreat
agenda
ideas,
please
send
them
to
me
as
soon
as
possible,
I'm
going
to
start
putting
that
all
together.
A
The
actual
agenda
for
the
retreat
will
need
to
be
finalized
about
a
week
before
the
meeting,
but
give
me
your
ideas
as
soon
as
you
have
them,
so
I
can
start
working
on
that
all
right.
Lastly,
on
Old
business,
we
put
this
on
Old
business.
If
you
recall
the
this
group
made
a
recommendation
to
city
council
to
purchase
the
Ravenscroft
reserve,
the
piece
of
land
on
I
believe
Collier
Avenue
downtown
one
of
the
last
remaining
stands
of
mature
oak
trees
in
the
central
business
district
Ed.
G
I
I
understand
the
last
land
transfer
was
in
the
two
and
a
half
million
dollar
price
range,
so
it
sort
of
it
sort
of
kind
of
killed
any
any
possibility
of
raising
money
to
purchase
the
land.
At
this
point-
and
it's
just
too
far
out
of
reach,
and
so
the
Ravenscroft
Reserve
folks
are
basically
taking
a
time
out
to
see
what
happens
from
what
I
understand.
A
Yeah
this
I.
For
now
this
will
be
the
last
update,
but
we
just
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
it
did
change
hands
and
the
prices
is
very
high.
So
but
you
know
I'll
throw
it
out
there.
If
there's
anybody
in
the
community
that
feels
very
strongly
about
trees,
you
know
would
still
be
an
option.
All
right.
Anything
else.
Go
ahead.
Patrick.
C
F
We
feel
pretty
comfortable
in
that
we
exhausted
every
funding
opportunity
we
could.
We
did.
We
were
working
with
supporters
in
New,
York
and,
and
we
reached
out
to
every
possible
person
we
could
it.
We
were
up
against
politically
speaking.
It
was
difficult.
It
was
an
uphill
battle
to
get
support
because
of
the
affordable
housing
component
from
the
original
developers.
So
the
message
is
really
more
educational
than
anything
else.
At
this
point
that
sustainability
and
affordability
should
go
together.
This
shouldn't
be
in
conflict
with
each
other.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
okay,
so
there's
nothing
else
there
on
the
new
business.
So
the
annual
report
I
was
hoping
to
have
a
draft
for
you
all,
but
I
am
a
little
behind
once
I
do
get
a
draft
ready!
I
will
circulate
it
so
that
you
know
if
I
miss
anything
or
you
have
anything
to
add
to
our
annual
report.
You'll
have
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
it
before
it's
submitted
to
city
council,
which
it's
usually
due
around
the
middle
of
January.
A
A
After
this,
after
December
when
he
was
after
this
meeting,
you
have
the
whole
month
to
keep
going
and
we'll
be
staying
on
as
a
subject
matter,
expert
and
consultant
in
our
working
groups,
but
in
non-voting
member
of
the
commission,
so
I
just
first
want
to
formally
thank
Ed
on
behalf
of
the
commission
for
all
of
your
service
and
mentorship
and
expertise.
Thank
you.
So
much
I'm
sure
everybody
agrees
that
you
are
I
mean
invaluable.
A
We
cannot
do
this
without
you,
so
thank
you
feel
free
to
speak
if
you
want,
but
since
we're
running
short
on
time,
Patrick's
term
was
up,
but
he
accepted
a
renewal
for
another
term,
and
then
we
had
one
open
seat
to
replace
Ed,
which
brings
up
the
question:
it's
actually
not
officially
in
our
bylaws
and
procedures
for
choosing
new
members
to
the
commission.
A
So
historically,
we've
just
kind
of
had
informal
conversations
and
the
chair
and
vice
chair
get
together
and
review
all
the
applications
and
come
to
an
agreement
on
who
will
be
chosen.
If
we
have
time
sometimes
it
actually
bypasses
us
and
go
straight
to
city
council,
because
ultimately
they
are
who
is
deciding
on
the
commission
members
so
for
the
replacement
for
Ed,
we
did
have
the
applications,
Don
and
I
reviewed
them
and
again
we
don't
actually
decide.
A
We
just
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
and
they
typically
go
with
our
recommendation,
but
that
won't
be
officially
voted
until
their
is
it
their
December
or
January
meeting
I
think
it's
their
next
meeting
coming
up
if
I'm
not
wrong,
I,
don't
know
if
Haley
or
Nancy
know
when
that
actually
happens.
But
it's
it's
coming
up.
We'll
have
the
new
member
in
place
for
December
in
time
for
our
retreat,
Patrick.
A
I,
don't
know
I
think
so
we
recommended
the
arborist
I'm,
not
even
not
just
yet
I,
don't
know
how
to
pronounce
the
first
name.
Chardon
Dietrich
I
know:
Karen
you've
worked
with
him,
but
that
was
our
recommendation.
This
time
it
was
hard.
There
was
actually
the
applications
were
incredibly
qualified.
All
of
the
applicants
were
arborists
and
urban
Foresters
and
Forest
Service
retirees.
It
was
actually
a
very
hard
decision.
This
was
a
huge
batch
of
qualified
people.
A
It
made
me
feel
ill-qualified
to
be
on
this
group
with
the
applications
that
were
there
so
if
anyone's
watching,
we
really
appreciate
that
it
was
amazing,
but
we
just
we
had
to
recommend
one
to
city
council,
so
that
was
where
we
ended
up.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
Then
we
need
to
elect
officers
for
next
year.
So
we
need
to
take
nominations
and
have
a
vote
for
chair
and
vice
chair,
I,
guess,
I,
don't
know
I
guess
we
can
start
with
chair
Patrick.
C
Yeah
I
move
that
we
we
keep
Amy
Smith
as
chairperson
of
our
Commission.
A
Second,
thank
you.
I
am
happy
to
accept
after
a
vote,
unless
anyone
else
is
really
wanting
leadership.
Obviously
we
can
open
that
door.
It
is
wide
open,
so
anyone
wants
it.
But
if
there
are
no
other
nominations,
then
we
can
take
a
vote
all
right.
So
voting
for
The
re-election
of
myself,
Amy
Smith
as
chair
Ed,
hi,
Zoe,
aye
Cecil,.
A
C
A
A
C
I
would
mention
that
we
nominate
Don
Chavez
to
continue
as
our
vice
chair.
C
A
D
Yeah,
as
far
as
are
we
limited
in
the
number
of
members
that
we
have
thinking
that
we
got
so
many
qualified
people
wanting
to
be
on
our
group.
A
Currently,
yes,
it's
in
the
ordinances,
so
it
is
through
statute.
How
many
people?
However,
we
are
trying
to
kind
of
work
on
that,
because
there's
some
warding
in
there
for
these
historic
members,
for
example,
a
representative
from
Duke
Energy
and
representative
from
MSD
one
or
two
of
those
is
are
non-voting.
So
it's
not,
you
know,
really
a
big
deal.
A
However,
we
have
talked
about
kind
of
opening
that
up,
so
we
could
get
more
voices
in
the
group,
but
it'll
have
to
go
through
the
ordinance
revision,
so
we
can
certainly
take
a
look
at
where
we're
at
with
that
at
the
retreat
for
membership,
because
yeah,
we
have
discussed
that
as
a
possibility.
A
Else
all
right,
I
believe
we
can
scratch
the
next
item
for
the
appeal,
Review,
Committee
or
Nancy.
Do
we
still
want
to.
A
F
So
this
will
take
about
a
minute
to
read
through,
should
I
just
read
through
it
and
then
we
vote
on
it.
F
Forest,
see,
protect
and
enhance
property
values.
D
continue
to
provide
a
broad
range
of
ecological
and
environmental
services,
including
one
a
buffer
against
noise
and
wind
and
the
provision
of
privacy
to
Improvement
in
air
quality
through
the
interception
of
particulate
matter
and
production
of
oxygen.
Three:
the
interception
of
rainwater,
thus
reducing
storm
water,
runoff,
four
as
components
of
urban
Forest,
canopy
provision
of
shade
and
evaporative
cooling,
resulting
in
the
conservation
of
energy
and
a
reduction
of
urban
heat
island
effect.
F
Let
it
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
Asheville
urban
forestry
commission
strongly
urges
the
city
of
council,
the
city
of
Asheville
and
its
citizens
to
take
every
step
necessary,
both
in
practice
and
policy,
to
provide
the
protection
and
stewardship
of
the
city's
Heritage
trees.
To
ensure
these
benefits
for
future
generations
and
the
Heritage
tree
designation
is
we
propose
that
any
tree
stand
or
group
of
trees
growing
on
public
or
private
property
within
the
city?
Limits
that
meet
any
of
the
following
criteria
shall
have
the
Heritage
designation?
F
This
specimens
in
size,
structure
or
age
for
their
species,
determined
by
comparing
the
tree
to
average
trees
of
its
species
within
the
city
or
providing
valuable
habitat.
Any
recognized
tree
as
a
state
or
national
champion
tree
for
a
species
and
all
trees
designated
as
treasure,
trees
and
then.
Finally,
thank
you
for
your
patience.
Heritage
trees
provide
valuable
ecological
services
and
deserve
special
protection
under
Asheville's
tree
canopy
ordinance.
F
The
FC
urges
the
city
of
Asheville
to
amend
the
ordinance
to
include
double
credits
for
preservation
of
Heritage
trees
and
double
penalties
for
removing
them
BFC
further
Advocates
that
proposed
development
projects,
incorporate
existing
Heritage
trees
and
provide
proper
protection
and
maintenance
as
vital
components
of
the
city's
Urban
Forest
citizens
of
Ashland
Buncombe
County
are
encouraged
to
contact
Asheville
GreenWorks
with
questions
about
the
proper
care
of
Heritage
trees
and
resources
available
to
the
community
for
such
Care.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
that.
A
J
C
You
go
sorry,
I
have
a
question
but
I'll
wait
until
after
there's
a
motion
and
a
second
got.
It.
H
C
Yeah,
how
do
you
see
this
as
protecting
herod's
trees
on
private
property.
A
M
I
was
just
curious
if
someone
could
send
me
a
copy
of
the
resolution
to
link
to
the
action
minutes.
Please.
E
A
A
You,
okay,
the
last
thing:
oh,
we
kind
of
skipped
I'm.
So
sorry,
although
we
can
all
see
here
the
staff
reports
and
updates,
we
already
went
over
most
of
Mark's
updates.
We
can
see
the
chart
for
the
tree,
canopy,
ordinance,
fee
and
Lou
funds
collected
and
updates
there
any
questions
on
that
before
we
start
wrapping
up
and
then
the
last
item
on
the
agenda
was
the
Greenworks
update
Dawn.
They
have
held
the
tree
adoption
event:
I,
don't
know
Ed.
If
you
have
any
updates.
I
know
it
was
a
successful
event,
but.
G
Yeah
she
did
send
me
an
update
about
450
trees
were
available
for
adoption
and
325
people
registered
for
a
tree,
but
only
240
showed
up
to
pick
them
up
and
that
Greenworks
is
holding
some
late.
Pickup
dates,
which
is
this
Saturday,
and
next
Tuesday,
in
whatever
trees,
are
left
over
they're,
giving
to
the
city
of
Black
Mountain
for
planting
out
there.