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B
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order,
it's
4
p.m.
We
do
have
a
quorum,
so
we
can
begin
good
afternoon.
I'm
chair,
darren
green,
and
I
want
to
welcome
you
to
the
february
10
2022
asheville
area
river
redevelopment
commission
meeting.
The
purpose
of
the
aarc
is
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
county
an
overall
policy
for
the
continued
development
and
sustainability
of
the
regional
riverfront.
The
commission
provides
recommendations
to
the
city
and
county
for
effective
management
of
the
public
resources
for
the
districts
and
actively
pursues
and
assists
private
sector
investments
in
the
districts.
B
It
appears
I
lost
connection
there.
The
commission
is
made
up
of
14
members
representing
the
city
of
asheville,
the
council
of
independent
business
owners,
riverlink
asheville
city
council,
buncombe,
county
commission
in
the
town
of
woodfin.
Our
committees
consist
of
mobility
and
transportation
connections
and
public
safety,
including
river
recreation
and
water
quality.
B
All
commission
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently
pursuant
to
north
carolina
general
statute,
16
6a,
19.24
f.
This
will
be
a
remote
meeting
which
is
which
the
public
can
access
by
any
of
the
following
means.
B
B
B
Excuse
me,
karen
craig
nolan
karen
passed
away
earlier
this
year
and
under
miss
craig
nolan's
leadership
and
vision.
The
french
broad
watershed
in
asheville
has
and
continues
to
be,
transformed
from
an
area
sometimes
used
for
dumping,
trash
and
hazardous
waste
to
places
we
take
care
of
and
cherish
like
the
river
arts
district.
The
vision
and
mission
of
cleaning
up
asheville's
riverfront
continues
to
stimulate
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
in
economic
development,
encourages
our
community
to
experience
and
support
the
environment
and
help
support
asheville's
creative
commerce
led
by
artists
and
small
businesses.
B
Thank
you.
Karen
will
be
greatly
missed.
I'd
like
to
update
our
membership
to
this
commission
and
welcome
ann
keller.
She
was
appointed
by
riverlink
and
I'd
like
to
give
this
opportunity
opportunity
for
anne
to
introduce
herself
and
say
hello.
C
Hi
everyone.
Thank
you
darren.
I'm
pleased
to
be
involved
in
this
in
this
commission.
I
think
it's
a
really
important
one.
C
I've
been
on
the
riverlink
board
for
five
years
and
I've
been
on
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
also
almost
or
that
long,
and
this
is
another
great
opportunity
to
work
with
wonderful
people
on
really
important
projects.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Darren
steph,
everybody
else,
looking
forward
to
it.
Hi
sage.
B
Thank
you
and
we're
excited
to
have
you
and
we
thank
you
and
appreciate
all
your
hard
work
and
efforts
and
community
service.
The
next
point
is
that
we
do
have
a
design
review
committee
seat
available
for
commissioners
to
submit
their
application,
and
I'd
like
to
pass
this
to
kate.
E
B
B
To
the
city
I'd
like
to
mention
also
that
we
submitted
our
final
annual
report.
I
know
there
are
some
additional
edits
that
are
going
to
take
place,
but
the
city
council
has
received
it
and
they
have
received
our
recommendations
which
continue
to
ask
for
and
submit
a
request
to
have
the
city
put
in
some
effort
into
establishing
some
new
design
review
standards.
So
hopefully
that
will
happen
in
the
next
in
the
next
year
or
so
or
sooner.
B
F
B
Thank
you
now,
I'm
going
to
call
on
each
each
of
you
individually
and
just
please
say
if
you
approve
them,
yay
or
nay.
Vice
chair
david
brown,
yay.
G
H
E
F
E
I
D
J
B
Great
all
right,
thank
you
all
right,
they
have
passed.
Minutes
have
passed
right.
Moving
on
to,
let's
see
we
have
we
received
any
public
comment.
B
All
right
we're
going
to
move
on
to
some
new
business.
I
would
like
to
introduce
brian
schick
he's
the
representative
from
woodfield
development.
That's
the
former
rad
lofts
project
in
the
river
arts
district
and
I'd
like
to
give
brian
the
floor.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thanks
stephanie
for
arranging
this
and
happy
to
speak
to
your
group.
I've
become
a
rather
popular
person,
apparently
my
dance,
card's
kind
of
full.
I
spoke
to
the
river
arts
district
artist
association
last
night.
L
I've
had
a
zoom
call
with
rad
pack,
some
many
representatives
of
brad
buff,
so
I'm
trying
to
be
as
available
as
possible
and
answer
as
many
questions
and
frankly,
I
think
there
has
been
a
a
bit
of
a
communications
breakdown
about
our
intentions
for
building
what
we're
calling
the
river
arts
apartment
on
the
old
dave
steele
site,
and
we
are
trying
to
be
as
accommodating
as
possible,
and
it's
all
stems
on
how
long
we
need
to
close
the
section
in
front
of
our
property
on
robert
street
to
do
two
things
one.
L
There
is,
I'm
sure
you
all
know
a
fairly
major
public
works
project
that
we
are
doing
is
part
of
the
ordinance
that
was
passed
by
council
that
we
at
our
expense,
upsized
the
existing
4.2
by
4
foot,
storm
water
culvert.
That
goes
through
the
entire
length
that
used
to
be
underneath
dave's
steel
and
to
upsize
it
to
72
inch
round
pipe,
and
we
look
to
begin
that
project
first
before
we're
able
to,
of
course
build
anything
on
top
of
it.
L
Our
general
contractor,
cf
evans,
believes
they
need
12
months
to
not
only
do
the
public
works
portion
of
that,
but
also
to
one
once
it's
tied
in
that
pipe
is
tied
in
that
carries.
I'm
told
a
good
amount
of
the
storm
water
that
flows
from
downtown
asheville
tie
it
in
to
the
street
to
the
existing
pipe
and
roberts.
L
We
also
are
going
to
lift
up
robert
street
because
there's
quite
a
dip
right
there
and
about
that
point
is
where
the
entrance
to
the
public
parking
garage
is
going
to
be
just
to
remind
you.
We
inherited
an
exhibit
b
of
the
ordinance
from
the
previous
developer,
we're
going
to
have
upwards
of
60
plus
public
parking
spaces
available
in
that
garage.
Also
we're
going
to
have
about
16
000
square
feet
of
retail
all
along
the
roberts
street
elevation.
L
If
you
will,
in
the
laurel,
clingman
there's
also
an
entrance
for
the
parking
garage,
but
that's
exclusively
for
our
residents
for
those
who
haven't,
read
the
articles
or
just
to
recap:
237
apartments
will
be
in
there,
as
well
as
the
parking
garage,
our
amenities
that
are
internal
to
the
building
and
the
16
plus
thousand
feet
of
retail.
We
also
own
the
small,
what's
currently
a
gravel
parking
lot
across
robert
street
that
abuts
the
trees
that
create
essentially
the
property
line
with
a
gravel
lot.
L
So
when
we
learned
that
this
was
quite
a
shock
to
the
merchants
in
the
area,
we've
we've
had
multiple
conversations.
Zoom
calls
meetings
to
try
to
be
as
accommodating
as
possible
to
the
existing
merchants,
we're
very
sensitive
that
the
merchants
went
through
two
three
years
worth
of
disruption
to
get
the
beautiful
completion.
Finally,
of
the
river
arts,
district
transportation
improvement
program,
which
is
absolutely
outstanding,
but
right
on
the
heels
of
that
we
have
a
pandemic,
and
now
we
have
this
developer
coming
in.
L
That's
going
to
rip
a
scab
off
if
you
will,
so
we
want
to
be
as
accommodating
as
possible
and
for
those
of
you,
who've
heard
this
before.
I
see
that
shannon's
on
the
phone.
Our
three
main
priorities
are,
of
course,
safety,
safety
of
the
public
safety
of
the
pedestrian,
the
the
public
vehicle
and,
of
course,
our
construction
workers,
second,
is
to
not
do
anything
to
disrupt
the
schedule,
which
is
a
26.
Let's
just
call
it
now
25
months
schedule,
because
everybody
wants
this
thing
done
and
they
want
the
access
they
want.
L
The
street
put
back
together.
They
want
to
use
those
public
parking
spaces,
we're
providing
and
then.
Lastly,
our
pledge
from
woodfield
and
myself
personally
is
we're
the
newest
neighbors
to
the
river
arts
district,
and
we
want
to
do
what
we
can
to
be
as
to
minimize
the
disruption
and
to
keep
the
free
flow
of
commerce
and
keep
these
businesses
healthy
and
the
folks
that
come
to
visit
them
and
patronize
them,
and
the
gallery
walks
the
second
saturday
to
keep
that
flowing.
So
that's
the
offer
that
we
have.
L
This
is
a
rather
fluid
situation,
shannon
and
I
shannon
tuck
and
I
traded
some
emails
today,
we're
looking
forward
to
sitting
down
with
the
city
transportation
department,
maybe
public
safety,
maybe
the
fire
marshal.
Whoever
needs
to
be
the
principals
of
the
city
to
look
at
this,
and
what
currently
is
a
road
closure
request.
That's
upcoming
that
we
thought
were
going
to
close
the
entire
section
and
we're
working
on
a
new
concept
that
we're
going
to
throw
out
there
for
this
city
transportation.
L
Folks
to
consider-
and
that
is
we
thought
on
our
section
of
roberts-
we
would
put
our
double-wide
construction
trailer.
There
receive
18-wheel
trucks,
delivering
material,
have
a
crawler
crane
that
moves
around,
to
lift
material
off
and
into
the
construction
site.
And
of
course,
man
lifts
these
scissor
mantlets,
you
see
and
then
what
they
call
a
lull
which
is
essentially
a
rubber
tire,
large
forklift,
moving
that
material
off
the
trucks
and
to
the
workers
into
the
building.
L
And
then
you
know
for
some
parking
what
we're
looking
into
and
we've
gotten.
Some
very
positive
feedback
is
using
the
stone
yard
site,
just
a
block
or
so
away
as
a
way
to
put
gravel
on
that
site
park.
Our
construction
workers
down
there,
so
they
don't
monopolize
public
parking,
put
our
construction
trailer
down
there
and
make
our
employees
our
gc's
employees,
walk
up
the
hill
and
use
that
as
some
additional
what
we
call
lay
down
space
for
materials
to
try
to
minimize
the
impact
of
this.
L
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
widely
known
secret
now,
but
woodfield
is
also
under
contract
to
take
to
purchase
the
stone
yard
site,
which
was
already
approved,
as
you
may
know,
for
137
apartments
and
we'll
be
starting
that
public
process
soon
to
essentially
go
through
another
conditional
zoning
to
hopefully
densify
that
site
to
get
more
units.
We've
already
had
some
conversations
with
senior
staff,
and
we
understand
to
do
so.
L
The
city
is
going
to
want
us
to
have
enter
in
the
negotiations
of
adding
some
affordable
housing
and
currently,
what
was
approved
has
zero.
So
we
understand
that
we're
very
keen
to
learn
more
about
the
luigi
luigi
incentives
that
are
out
there,
and
I
know
that
council.
L
We
have
a
council
person
on
the
call,
so
look
forward
to
meeting
you
and
senior
staff
in
person
to
start
that
process.
So
we've
had
some
good
calls
with
the
owner
of
that
lamb,
with
whom
we're
under
contract
to
to
at
our
expense,
move
our
trailer
down
there
parker
construction
workers
down
there,
use
that
as
some
lay
down
and
in
so
doing,
if
it's
okay
with
the
fire
marshal
and
the
city
transportation,
we
can
find
a
safe
way
on
the
outside
of
our
construction
fence
closer
to
our
border
with
the
norfolk
southern
gravel
lot.
L
That's
kind
of
the
wedge
parking
to
see
if
that
can
be
a
solution
to
still
allow
at
least
box
trucks
to
come
down
roberts
and
then
curve
around
the
outside
of
our
hard
construction
fence
to
keep
at
least
a
one-way
flow
of
traffic
going.
So
those
businesses
that
are
up
on
roberts
are
not
adversely
impacting
they
can
continue
to
receive
shipments.
So
I'll
press
pause
there,
that's
kind
of
what
I
know
for
now
again
we're
waiting
for
that
meeting
with
city
transportation.
L
I
know
ken
putnam's
reply:
email
he's
he's
under
the
weather
for
the
balance
of
this
week,
so
we're
hoping
that
will
happen
as
soon
as
next
week
so
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Mr
chairman,
at
this
point.
B
H
Yes,
I
have
one
question
brian,
I
I
know
we
were
told
earlier
on
and
I
know
that's
before
you
purchased
this
project,
but
that
roberts
would
be
one
way.
I
I
work
in
the
building.
That's
on
the
corner
of
robertson,
artful
way
to
the
two-story
part
there,
and
I
understood
from
there
up
to
our
little
round
about
there.
It
would
be
two-way
and
then
from
there
on
down
to
depot
street.
H
L
L
The
concept
we're
working
on
is,
to
maybe
add
a
temporary
lane
that
flanks
around
our
hard
construction
safety
fence
to
allow
folks
that
come
down
the
hill
on
roberts
that
still
stays
two-way
up
on
that
portion
between
your
building
and
tim's,
wedge
studios
and
going
back
up
towards
the
hayward
road
roundabout,
and
so
that
stays
two-way
artful
way
comes
down.
Still,
you
can
turn
left.
You
can
turn
right.
The
concept
that
we're
gonna,
that
again
we
are
willing
to
discuss
with
the
city.
L
If
the
city
is
okay
with
it
city
transportation,
is
there
a
way
to
safely
make
kind
of
a
curvilinear
temporary
road
that
allows
at
least
one-way
traffic
and
I've
been
told
by
some
of
the
folks
that,
like
tim
and
others,
that
represent
the
the
merchants
on
roberts
that
the
most
sense,
if
it
has
to
be
only
one
way,
it
makes
sense
for
it
to
go
downhill.
So
a
lot
of
this
is
tbd.
L
So
in
a
perfect
world
it
could
be
wide
enough
to
accommodate
a
slow-moving
car
going
one
way
and
to
some
way
protect
the
pedestrian,
so
we're
hoping
we
can
serve
both
and
then
I
think,
really
good
way.
Finding
and
signage
is
going
to
be
necessary
as
well,
particularly
just
assume
someone's
never
been
to
asheville
or
never
been
to
the
river
arts
district
before
really
kind
of
idiot
proof
signage.
So
people
know
how
to
get
around
this
construction
project
safely.
I
I
H
D
H
I
E
Hi
thanks
brian,
I
have
a
quick
question.
I,
like
you,
know
the
alternative,
material,
storage
and
staging,
and
we
worked
on
a
project
in
another
city
and
we
had
to
abide
by
some
really
interesting
scheduling
for
our
construction,
because
it
was
in
an
area
that
was
high
use
with
with
pedestrians
and
businesses.
So
just
wondering
if
that
is
also
something
to
maybe
think
about.
L
So
I'm
learning
a
lot
of
new
things,
but
I
none
of
those
particular
schedule.
Constraints
have
been
mentioned
today
that
maybe,
since
this
is
a
a
collective
problem
solving
when
we
sit
down
with
the
city
and
we
at
woodfield
and
our
general
contractor
cf
evans
see
what
they
throw
on
the
table
again.
We
we
want
to
get
this
built
as
quickly
as
possible
and
minimize
the
disruptions.
So
I
don't
know
what
your
project
you're,
referring
to,
what
that
meant?
Is
it
just
reduced
the
hours?
E
Yeah
totally,
I
think
it
was
more
just
making
like
buttoning
up
those
constructions,
that
construction
site
a
little
bit
more
because
it
was
it
is
high
density.
People
were
walking
around
so
the
concern
about
safety
for
pedestrians.
So
the
end
of
the
day
we
had
to
work
a
little
harder
to
even
like
tidy
up
our
our
areas
or
our
materials,
because
it
had
to
function
outside
of
like
the
construction
time,
which
is
like
seven
to
three
or
you
know,
seven
to
four.
E
L
As
you
say,
buttoned
up
a
bad
actor
can
jump
a
site
for
sure,
but
to
make
sure
we
stay
on
top
of
it
for
public
safety
and
keep
people
off
of
you
know
injuring
themselves
or
getting
onto
the
construction
site
proper,
and
it's
going
to
take
constant
visual
vigilance
to
make
sure
that
if
we
create
this
construction
parking
area
that
folks
use
it
that
they
don't
have
their
daily
food
trucks
that
come
to
service,
the
construction
workers
show
up
and
try
to
park
on
clingman.
L
L
Yeah
and
then
then
also
related
to
this,
I
should
mention
that
we
are:
we've
created
a
domain
as
soon
as
we
launch
it,
we'll
share
it
with
all
these
groups
that
I'm
being
introduced
to
that
can
be
a
website,
hopefully
with
an
opt-in,
email
functionality.
So
we
can
put
our
site
plan.
We
can
put
our
street
closure
plan.
We
can
kind
of
put
these
rules
of
engagement.
L
D
L
Cdc
civil
design
concepts,
an
asheville-based
firm
is
our
civil
engineer
and
I
always
kind
of
joke
that
civil
engineers
went
to
school
to
learn
how
to
do
engineering,
but
half
of
their
job
is
also
to
kind
of
serve
as
sherpas,
for
developers
to
help
us
create
expectations
and
understand
the
process
and
the
nuances
to
go
through
approval.
So,
as
I
understand
it,
this
is
we'll
have
to
start
the
whole
conditional
zoning
process.
Again
we
met
in
their
offices
last
week.
L
They
kind
of
walked
us
through
the
10-step
process
and
they're
telling
us
they
think
this
is
probably
a
six
to
eight
month
process
to
get
it
through.
I
see
jeremy
nodding
his
head
just
to
kind
of
get
it
re-entitled
and
then
probably
a
couple
more
months
or
more
to
get
it
permitted.
L
L
D
G
G
Yeah
parker's
on
here
really
excited
to
see
some
in-field
development
like
this
and
that
lot's
been
vacant.
As
long
as
I
can
remember.
So
that's
a
that's
exciting.
I'm
curious
to
learn.
I
haven't
read
through
the
agenda
packet
or
seen
a
site
plan,
but
I'm
curious
to
hear
more
about
the
parking
deck.
It
sounds
like
it's
both
for
the
public
and
for
the
residents
business
owners
there.
G
L
I
hate
to
toss
it
back
to
shannon.
She
probably
knows
better
than
I
know.
Can
you
know
the
history
this
went
through.
I
understand
five
different
presentations
and
approvals
for
the
so-called
ordinance
with
the
actual
city
council
by
the
same
developer,
from
whom
we
purchased
the
site,
so
we
just
picked
up
their
entitlement
and
the
exhibit
b1
to
the
ordinance,
and
that
was
already
in
there
and
I'm
just
off
the
top
of
my
head
at
60
or
so
public
parking
spaces.
L
I'm
not
sure
how
they
arrived
at
that,
but
that
lower
level
of
the
garage
will
have
not
only
the
public
parking,
but
our
residents
can
go
in
there
and
toward
the
back
of
the
public
parking
garage.
They
will
encounter
what
we
call
a
california
gate
and
they
can
park
in
the
very
back
of
it.
Underneath
our
building,
the
garage
entrance
from
clingman
is
exclusively
for
our
residents
and
in
design
speak.
Those
two
levels
do
not
communicate.
I
I
We
def
there
was
definitely
interest
in
them,
providing
some
sort
of
public
benefit
in
order
to
help
offset
the
impacts
of
their
project,
and
so
some
amount
of
public
parking
was
desirable.
So
I
think
that's
just
what
they
were
able
to
work
into
their
project.
L
Gotcha
just
so
just
so,
you
know,
commissioner,
this
is
considered
a
class,
a
or
institutional
grade,
multi-family
mixed-use
asset
and
the
standard
in
these
new
infill
urban
projects.
The
standard
the
gold
standard
really
is
to
provide
one
parking
space
per
bedroom
even
more
than
one
per
unit
that
many
use
municipalities
strive
for.
L
So
I'm
not
quite
sure
I
think
we're
probably
about
1.5
per
unit
just
to
serve
our
residents
and
then
the
public's.
L
On
top
of
that,
and
then
I
don't
have
these
numbers
off
the
top
of
the
head,
we
would
my
head,
but
we
will
be
adding
for
the
the
plans
that
we
inherited
some
on-street
parking
kind
of
where
the
curb
goes
in
along
our
side
of
the
property
on
clingman,
parallel
parking,
some
on
in
front
of
our
retail,
on
roberts
on
our
side
of
the
street
and
then
there's
still
another
18
or
so
parking
spaces
that'll
be
over
on.
L
No,
that's
all
crystal
ball
kind
of
stuff
and
and
if
I
even
knew
I'm
not
allowed
to
tell
you
because
of
fair
housing
laws,
this
I'm
not
being
flipped.
It's
just.
We
really
can't
talk
about
demographics,
but
if
I
had
to
guess
who's
going
to
show
up
to
live
in
these
things,
I
think
we're
going
to
get
our
share
of
some
folks
that
decide
to
move
from
other
apartments,
because
this
is
one
of
the
first
opportunities
to
live
in
the
river
arts
district.
L
I
think
we're
going
to
get
our
share
of
folks
from
the
medical
campus
just
a
mile
and
a
half
away,
or
so
we
always
get
a
good
share
of
young
professionals
that
are
setting
up
shop
and
taking
jobs
in
in
a
city
like
asheville
and
and
here's
my
big
crystal
ball.
L
When
we
look
at
the
cost
to
buy
for
sale
like
second
homes
in
asheville,
compared
to
what
you
can
rent
it
for,
we
think
we're
gonna
have
some
empty
nester
types
who
just
want
to
have
a
place
that
they'll
be
more
than
happy
to
rent
12
months
out
of
the
year,
but
they
kind
of
use
as
a
temporary
home
and
whether,
wherever
they
live
the
rest
of
the
year,
we're
gonna
have
studios
one
bedrooms
and
two
bedrooms.
Only
four
three
bedrooms:
that's
all
we
could
get
in
there.
L
B
E
I
have
a
quick
question
about
parking,
we're
talking
about
cars,
but
wondering
because
it's
such
an
urban
space
and
so
much
walkable
area.
What
about
like
bike
bike
walks
or
you
know,
places
for
people
to
lock
up
their
bikes
and
they're
coming
down
to
visit,
or
even
some
of
the.
L
Great
great
point,
so
we
will
have
the
you
know
traditional
loops
for
that
guest.
That's
coming
to
the
community
or
driving
up
to
to
be
a
patron
of
the
retail
and
then
for
our
residents
inside
the
building.
We
have
a
can't
recall
the
exact
square
footage.
We
have
a
fairly
large
bikes,
secure
bike
storage
area
that
is
just
within
the
building
inside
the
parking
garage
with
two
level
bike.
Racks
we've
been
putting
those
in
our
communities
now
for
several
years.
They're
they're
extremely
well
received
and
it
provides
a
twofer.
L
Frankly,
it
also
keeps
it
keeps
them
from
storing
it
on
their
balcony
and
we
will
have
several
balconies
and
it's
just
kind
of
an
eyesore
when
you
go
by
and
see
people
they've
got
their
their
snow
skis
and
their
their
kayaking
their
their
bike
out
on
the
balcony.
It
just
kind
of
clutters
up
the
elevation
of
the
building,
and
so
we're
going
to
have
storage
and
bike
storage
ins
internal
to
the
building.
F
Yes,
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
what
about
charging
stations
for
electronic
vehicles.
L
Another
great
question:
this
is
a
moving
target
for
us
and
I'm
everybody's
okay,
but
I
I
had
a
16
year
old,
coming
home
from
high
school
run,
a
red
light
last
thursday
in
greenville
in
the
rain
and
t-boned
my
car
they're.
Fine
he's
fine,
I'm
fine,
but
my
car's
totaled.
So
this
has
expedited
my
desire
to
get
an
electronic
vehicle
and
we
started
putting
ev
chargers
just
one
or
two
probably
eight
years
ago,
and
now
this
thing
is
looking
like
a
hockey
stick
of
what
the
consultants
are
telling
us.
L
We
need
to
put
in
the
big
thing,
jim,
that
we're
doing
is
making
sure
that
our
panel,
our
electric
service,
is
big
enough
to
accommodate,
as
that
demand
grows,
but
this
project
will
have
at
least
six
to
start,
but
there's
plenty
of
room
in
the
panel
that
you
know
the
capacity
we
pull
to
the
circuit
breaker.
If
you
will
that
we
can
run
more
conduit
and
increase
it.
F
Okay,
good
we're
as
the
town
of
woodman
we're
aware
of
two
upscale
apartment
complexes
that
we've
talked
to
that
tell
us
that
that
is
becoming
a
barrier
to
renting.
So
maybe
it's
something
that
we're
going
to
address
it
specifically
in
woodfin.
But
I
hope
you
will
here
sounds
like
you
are.
L
Yeah,
there's
no
doubt
folks,
it
seems
like
tesla
is
the
company
that
kind
of
led
the
way
here
and
there
are
people
that
come
and
say
have
a
tesla.
If
you
don't
have
a
tesla
charger,
I'm
not
renting.
So
so
it's
interesting
we're
hoping
to
I'd
love
to
see.
I
don't
know
how
if
asheville
has
a
plan
to
add
more
out
in
the
public
spaces,
but
I
know
there's
a
big
tesla
supercharger
over
there
at
the
outlet
mall.
M
We
do
have
some
in
our
some
of
our
parking
decks
as
well
and
development
services,
but
you're
right
and
we
need
updated
equipment.
We
need
better
partnerships.
Some
in
the
garage
are
failing
at
bad
signal.
We
do
expect
the
infrastructure
bill
to
allocate
some
funding
towards
this
type
of.
K
Thank
you
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you,
brian,
for
your
presentation,
and
this
is
just
for
my
own
familiarity
as
projects
like
this
get
discussed
when
you
mention
the
number
of
proposed,
affordable
housing
units
and
the
rate
and
the
time
domain.
For,
for
that
rate,
is
that
number
I
mean?
K
Is
that
a
num
when
you
come
up
with
those
number
of
units
and
the
in
the
percent
ami
and
all
that
is
that
strictly
from
the
developer,
or
is
that
set
in
conversations
with
the
city
or
how
do
how
do
those
numbers
come
about
as
different
developers
propose
projects
with
different
different
plans.
L
It
probably
definitely
changes
market
to
market
municipality
county
to
county.
In
this
case,
you
know
we
inherited
a
negotiation,
if
you
will
from
the
previous
developer
and
what
they
agreed
to
do.
10
at
80
percent
of
the
area,
median
income,
stone,
yard
site
got
approved
100
market
for
the
density
that
they
were
approved.
L
We
want
to
increase
the
density.
We
don't
believe
that
deal
would
work
at
that
number
of
units,
so
we
want
to
increase
it,
increase
it
upwards
to
300,
maybe
plus
some
retail
artist,
micro
units
etc,
and
we
understand
that
asheville
wants
us
to
to
stretch
and
provide
more
affordable
for
that.
We
get
it
we're
very
intrigued
to
learn
what
more
about
their
luigi
tool.
They
have.
M
D
M
M
And
I
do
remember
when
radlocks
came
through
the
first
time
and
how
it
was
so
our
conditional
zoning
I'll
just
give
you
a
little
background,
our
conditionals
zoning
triggers
at
50
or
more
units.
That's
a
unit
count
I
find
to
be
too
low,
especially
when
we're
crying
out
for
more
housing
density.
But
if
you
build
more
than
50
units,
you
have
to
come
to
council
and
get
conditional
approval,
express
approval,
and
when
that
happens,
all
things
come
into
play.
Is
it
traffic?
M
D
M
This
happened
and
I
think
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
with
the
other
one
doesn't
have
any
affordability
I'll
have
to
look
into
that.
L
L
We
think
it
would
fit
in
nicely
and
we
can
design
a
good
product
everybody's
happy
with
there
and
also
clean
up
another
eyesore,
the
other
corner
of
maine
and
maine,
to
respond
to
the
wonderful
rad
tip
project.
That
was
done.
So
just
can't
say
enough
about
that,
and
I
appreciate
you
doing
the
the
moment
of
science
for
karen
she's,
the
first
woman
I
met
in
asheville
when
I
was
looking
in
sights
nine
years
ago
in
the
river
arts
district
couldn't
be
more
delightful
and
I
met
her
in
her
office.
B
Thank
you.
Shannon
you'll
be
the
last
one
to
comment
on
this
and
we're
to
have
to
move
move
on.
I
Well,
I'm
I'm
selfishly
sort
of
taking
advantage
of
commissioner
williamson's
question
because,
as
councilwoman
turner
mentioned,
any
of
our
projects
that
are
over
50
units
automatically
triggers
a
conditional
zoning
and
all
conditional
zonings
have
to
demonstrate
compliance
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
So
every
project's
unique
and
we
look
at
what
the
developer
proposes,
what
their
concept
plan
is,
what
the
conditions
of
the
site
are.
What
are
the
impacts
on
adjacent
property
owners
or
people
in
the
area,
and
we
we
basically
enter
into
a
conversation
or
a
negotiation
about
you
know
what
are
in?
I
What
ways
can
their
projects
support
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
when
you
are
a
resident
residential
project
or
a
mixed-use
project
that
has
a
lot
of
residential?
The
very
you
know
the
the
low-hanging
fruit
is
to
provide
affordable
housing.
That
is
a
very
clear
way
to
demonstrate
support
and
it's
such
a
key
priority
in
our
plan
that
it
kind
of,
I
think
it
gets
weighed
a
little
bit
higher.
I
But
if
you
were
a
project
that
checked
a
lot
of
other
boxes,
you
provided
public
art,
you
provided
wider
sidewalks,
you
provide
public
parking,
you
have
all
of
these.
Other
public
benefits
associated
then
you
know
maybe
the
affordable
housing
you
know
gets
weighed
in
there.
You
know
to
a
lesser
degree,
so
I
think
it's.
The
question
is
a
good
opportunity
to
kind
of
help.
I
Let
you
all
know
how
we
look
at
these
conditional
zoning
projects
and
why
some
might
have
more
or
less
affordable,
affordability
in
them
and
bottom
line,
whatever
gets
proposed
as
conditions
in
a
project
or
what
the
developer
agrees
to.
So,
even
if
city
staff
say,
we
really
think
you
should
do
20
or
30,
and
they
come
back
and
said
we
did
the
numbers.
We
can
only
do
10
it's
the
best
we
can
do.
J
Commission
we
approved
the
stone
yards.
Everyone
needs
to
remember
that
there's
a
context
with
which
things
occur.
That
was
nine
years
ago.
Ten
years
ago,
it's
a
different.
J
However
many
years
it
was
there's
a
lot
of
other
different
concerns
at
that
time
as
well,
and
then,
finally,
just
shannon's
totally
right,
it
has
to
be
mutually
agreed
to
you
know:
council
cannot
make
the
developer,
do
it
and
the
developer
can't
make
counsel
it
has
to
be
weighing
whether
or
not
what
we
can
negotiate
is
better
than
what
someone
could
do
by
right
on
that
property,
which
oftentimes
could
be
much
worse.
So
it's
just
difficult
in
today,
today's
context
to
say
well,
why
didn't
they
agree
more.
L
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
know
the
add
to
that
jeremy
and
jeremy-
and
I
are
now
neighbors
that
whole
site's
in
the
floodplain
and
so
it's
a
very
challenge
site.
It's
got
a
couple
of
buildings
on
it
that
now
the
city
has
deemed
as
dangerous
and
need
to
come
down.
L
Although
they
what
was
approved
before
they
were
going
to
try
to
save
the
building
in
the
middle,
we're
still
looking
for
ways,
we
could
pin
that
back
with
buttresses
internally
to
try
to
save
at
least
one
of
the
facades,
because
I
think
it
complements
the
buildings
across
the
street
like
the
riverlink
building
and
curve
studios.
But
and
then
the
other
thing
is
it's
a
brownfield
site.
So
it's
got
some
inherent
sight
challenges,
but
thanks
for
that,
jeremy.
B
Well,
thank
you
everyone
for
this.
This
conversation,
brian,
thank
you
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
seeing
you
again.
B
N
Great
hi,
everybody
good
to
see
you,
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen
hold
on.
N
Oops
now
I'm
trying
to
share
the
presentation-
I'm
not
going
to
do
that,
but
give
me
a
second
stephanie
asked
me
to
come
in
and
give
a
presentation
on
the
swannanoa
greenway
that
we
are
currently
working
on,
but
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
and
refresh
the
memory
of
the
commissioners
that
have
been
on
on
the
riverfront
commission
for
a
while
and
to
introduce
this,
the
history
of
the
salon,
greenway
and
a
concept
that
we're
currently
working
on.
N
N
But
the
this
bright
green
line
that
you
see
here
is
on
top
of
the
city's
greenway
master
plan,
and
it
is
the
swannanoa
greenway
corridor.
N
The
difference
between
a
corridor
and
say
a
project
that
we're
working
on
is
that
in
the
master
plan
we
really
create
long
stretches
of
point
a
to
point
b
or
to
get
from
one
side
of
the
city
to
the
next
greenway
say,
but
we
rarely
work
on
an
entire
corridor
at
the
same
time.
So
the
corridor
in
our
master
plan
is
a
seven
and
a
half
mile
greenway
within
the
city
limits,
but
it
is
an
extremely
important
greenway
not
only
to
the
city
of
asheville.
N
It's
also
in
the
buncombe
county's
master
plan,
where
it's
called
the
wilma
deichmann
greenway
it's
in
the
regional
hellbender
trail,
which
is
which
is
a
greenway
and
trail
system
throughout
five
different
counties
that
the
land
of
sky
is
overseeing
and
the
fonteflora
state
trail.
One
of
the
few
state
trails
in
north
carolina,
which
originated
on
the
east
side
of
morganton
and
is,
and
at
this
time
terminates
in
nashville.
N
So
it's
a
long,
it's
a
long,
long
stretch
and
most
of
it
we
are
trying
to
piggyback
with
the
d.o.t
to
work
with
their
road
projects.
So
I
broke
up
that
three
that
bright
green
line
into
three
significant
projects,
one
this
pink
one
here-
is
the
meadow
road
project
of
the
dots,
the
bright
green.
One
here
is
one
section
of
the
swannanoa
river
road
and
the
blue
section
here
is
the
second
section
of
the
swannanoa
river
road.
These
are
all
road
projects
in
the
tip.
N
This
gobbledygook
map
here
shows
you
a
couple
of
projects.
These
two
here
were
the
green
and
blue
road
projects
of
the
d.o.t.
These
are
the
tipped
numbers
and
two,
maybe
three
years
ago
now
the
city
conducted
two
feasibility
studies
for
the
swannanoa
river
greenway,
that
correlated
with
the
project
areas
of
both
of
those
road
projects
in
order
to
find
out
where
the
best
place
to
put
the
greenways
would
be
both
of
these
projects,
like
the
rest,
are
in
danger
of
being
taken
off
the
tip.
N
However,
they
we
were
able
to
save
some
money
in
their
current
work
to
conduct
the
hydrology
study
of
u5832.
N
That
section
is
between
biltmore
avenue
and
south
tunnel
road,
so
to
put
it
easier
to
understand
it's
between
kinkos
and
lowe's,
and
currently
originally
it
was
supposed
to
be
constructed
in
2024,
which
was
very
exciting,
because
we
would
have
piggybacked
on
that
road
project
and
used
the
side
of
the
road
for
a
multi-use
path
in
that
area,
but
it
is
currently
at
2029
for
construction
or
beyond.
So
it's
a
wide
open
timeline.
N
Another
issue
with
this
area,
specifically
between
biltmore
avenue
and
south
tunnel
road,
but
throughout
the
swannanoa
area,
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
flooding
problems.
This
map
shows
the
floodplain
and
the
floodway
areas.
The
light
blue
is
the
floodway,
and
the
dark
blue
is
the
flood
the
floodway.
I
hope
I
said
that
right.
N
The
light
blue
is
a
flood
plain,
and
the
dark
blue
is
a
flood
way
and
most
of
the
suanano
river
road,
as
well
as
most
of
thompson
street,
are
in
the
flood
way,
and
this
map
will
show
you-
and
this
is
from
information,
that
the
land
of
sky
created
that
is
taking
a
look
at
vulnerability
and
risk
in
consideration
of
flooding.
N
It's
very
short
distance
away
from
the
river,
but
between
that
you
can
see
utility
poles.
These
are
the
high
tension,
transmission
lines
that
are
on
those
really
big
metal.
Poles,
not
the
creosote
wooden
poles,
like
you
see
on
this
side
and
duke,
is
duke
power,
is
going
through
some
considerably
considerable
expenses
to
move
these
transmission
lines
from
one
side
of
the
road
to
the
other,
and
that
is
because
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
issues
with
undercutting
of
the
river.
N
This
is
happening
on
both
sides
of
the
road,
but
it
is
starting
to
compromise
the
roads.
It's
definitely
compromising
the
area
where
they
have
their
utilities
and
that,
in
combination
with
rapid
growth,
is
making
this
area
a
pretty.
It's
making
me
nervous
about
where
we're
going
to
put
the
greenway.
N
So
we
have
a
myriad
of
problems
here.
We've
got
the
river
that
likes
to
flood
the
roads
that
are
too
close
to
the
banks
of
this
river
and
the
banks
are
changing.
All
the
time
we
are
having
a
really
hard
time
deciding
finding
a
place
to
put
the
greenway,
and
we
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
utilities
that
are
in
danger
in
this
area
from
the
frequent
flooding
and
it's
not
just
the
electrical
poles.
We
also
have
a
really
big
sewer
line
going
through
there
and
among
other
among
other
utilities.
N
N
So
that
is
it
in
a
nutshell:
we
are
still
having
conversations
with
the
ncdot
and
with
the
mpo
and
people
from
land
of
sky
to
see
what
would
be
the
best
approach.
N
N
Both
of
them
are
designed
to
really
address
resiliency
to
climate
change
and
especially
for
the
transportation
one,
how
it
would
relate
to
transportation.
So
we
do
feel
like
we've
got
some
funding
that
we
could
possibly
strive
towards,
but
we
really
need
to
get
our
ducks
in
a
row
to
figure
out
how
to
approach
it.
It's
this
is
a
ginormous
concept
and
between
the
departments
of
transportation,
planning
and
storm
water
in
the
city
of
nashville.
N
We
did
find
that
with
our
3.6
million
dollars
of
bond
funds
from
the
transportation
bond,
we
can
work
on
a
one
mile
section
of
the
swannanoa
greenway,
and
that
section
is
an
off-road
section.
It
was
definitely
known
to
us.
It
would
be
a
city
project
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
partner
with
the
d.o.t
to
do,
because
it's
not
next
to
the
road.
It
is
behind
people's
properties
and
off
the
road.
So
we
felt
confident
that
we
should
move
forward
with
with
that
project,
and
this
is
what
it
looks
like.
N
This
is
glendale
avenue
and
thompson
street,
and
it
said
it's
at
the
end
of
thompson
and,
as
I
said,
behind
people's
properties,
it
goes
under
south
tunnel,
road
bridge
and
the
240
bridges,
and
it
will
hook
up
to
the
existing
greenway
at
walmart,
and
then
we
will
carry
it
through
the
walmart
property
and
terminate
it
at
the
swananoa
intersection
in
bleachery
road.
This
is
the
bleachery
road
bridge.
N
If
you
want
to
know
more,
we
have
a
project
page
which
has
the
super
long
address.
But
if
you,
google,
asheville
swannanoa,
greenway
you'll
get
there
just
as
fast
and
on
that
greenway,
and
I
please
indulge
me
to
spend
five
minutes
of
your
time
to
show
you
this
really
great
video,
which
is
gonna,
explain
our
project
way
better
than
I
can,
and
it's
got
nice
music
to
do
so
so
hold
on.
A
A
Here's
a
quick
overview
of
the
entire
swannanoa
greenway
and
the
feasibility
study
completed
in
2020.,
spontaneous
greenway
is
part
of
a
much
larger
plan,
trail
corridor,
known
as
the
fontaflora
trail.
The
trail
is
proposed
to
connect
the
black
mountain
old
port
around
lake
james
and
onto
morganton.
A
A
Ensuring
that
is
accessible
to
all
safe
is
activated
by
diversity
of
users
and
the
public
and
partners
were
engaged.
The
feasibility
study
proposed
a
connection
from
biltmore
avenue
and
biltmore
village
to
azalea
park
in
east
asheville.
It
focuses
on
a
corridor
that
is
part
of
a
greater
urban
revitalization,
with
increased
multi-family
housing
and
density.
A
The
greenway
will
connect
to
several
commercial
hubs
and
access
safer,
pedestrian,
bicycle
mobility
and
an
opportunity
to
connect
to
public
transit.
The
feasibility
study
identified
segment
one
as
a
priority.
This
segment
is
from
glendale
avenue
to
the
existing
greenway
at
walmart,
as
well
as
a
newly,
fully
accessible
greenway
up
to
bleachery
boulevard,
which
connects
to
spontanoa
river
road,
the
area
shown
in
light
green
or
segment.
One
is
one
mile.
A
A
Now
that
you've
seen
the
big
picture,
let's
look
at
the
details,
the
swan
or
no
greenway
segment
when
designed
the
12
foot
wide
greenway
is
shown
here
as
a
white
line.
Let's
look
at
the
details
starting
near
the
intersection
of
glendale
avenue
and
thompson
street.
The
greenway
will
travel
along
the
river.
Quick
access
will
be
provided
via
a
trailhead
with
some
parking
and
storm
water
treatment
that
ensures
water
runoff
from
the
greenway
is
treated
before
entering
the
river.
A
A
When
the
greenway
nears
wood
avenue
an
ada
accessible
connection,
will
travel
up
to
wood
avenue
with
important
connections
to
commercial
and
a
transit
stop
just
south
of
the
greenway.
The
greenway
will
continue
on
traveling,
underneath
both
wood
avenue
and
interstate
240,
where
it
will
connect
into
the
existing
riverbend
greenway
near
walmart.
A
The
city
is
pursuing
additional
funding
for
a
connection
up
to
and
through
the
walmart
parking
lot
that
will
connect
greenway
users
to
bleachery
boulevards
bridge
and
the
swananova
river
road
intersection.
This
addition
will
be
a
separated
and
buffered
greenway.
Here's
a
detailed
redesign
of
the
bleachery
boulevard
bridge
to
accommodate
the
greenway.
A
A
A
The
project
timeline
for
segment,
one
of
the
swannanoa
greenway,
has
a
milestone
this
spring
of
2022,
with
all
design
or
construction
documents
complete
in
summer
of
2022.
The
city
will
bid
the
project
out
and
in
fall.
2022-2023
construction
will
occur
for
further
updates
about
this
project
and
the
greater
swannanoa
greenway
corridor
visit
the
project
page
on
the
city's
website
shown
here.
Thanks
for
your
interest
and
in
support
of
greenways
and
happy
trails.
N
So
why
reinvent
the
whale
when
they
do
it
so
much
better
than
I
could
possibly
here?
We
are
now
we're
at
90
of
our
designs.
We
are
in
our
land
acquisition
phase
and
we
are
having
the
plans
reviewed
by
state
and
local
agencies
and
the
utility
companies
and
we've
found
from
our
most
recent
cost
estimates
that
we
are
two.
We
have
a
two
million
dollar
funding
gap
and
we
have
applied
for
tda
funds
to
make
up
for
that
funding
gap.
N
H
Oh
sure,
joe
lucy,
didn't
you
say
one
time
that
the
city
already
owned.
Some
of
this
property.
N
We
we
do
own
a
number
of
properties
along
the
swananoa
river
road.
We
bought
them
after
the
2004
floods
with
fema
funds,
but
they're,
not
in
this
section,
they're
farther
east
closer
to
the
golf
course
okay.
But
we
have
worked
out
some
trade-
I
guess
is
not
the
right
word
to
call
it,
but
with
the
the
brewery
at
155
thompson
street,
he
was
in
need
of
some
parking
and
to
close
a
right-of-way.
N
So
we
swapped
the
greenway
easement
for
the
right-of-way
closure,
which
was
nice
and
we're
working
with
the
old
three
mountaineers
property
on
possibly
giving
them
the
money.
They
need
to
do
the
last
tests
to
close
their
brownfield
wells
in
order
for
their
property
to
be
completely
clean
from
the
the
department
of
environmental
qualities
perspective.
H
Is
there
any
word
on
between
glendale
and
biltmore
avenue
that
section,
or
is
that
just
on
hold
right
now.
N
Yeah,
so
that
is
part
of
that's
really
the
whole
reason
why
we're
really
looking
at
that
swannano
river
road
flood
resiliency
concept,
because
there's
a
myriad
of
problems
that
have
all
come
together.
We've
got
a
lot
of
flooding.
The
riverbanks
are
literally
changing
from
all
of
the
flooding
that
is
taking
place.
N
In
fact,
the
water
rises
above
the
river
banks
with
just
a
two
inch
flood,
not
even
an
official
flood.
All
these
has
had
to
evacuate
their
customers
before
under
a
non-flood
situation,
and
our
stormwater
department
was
working
with
the
corps
of
engineers
at
trying
to
work
on
a
pinch
point
area
underneath
the
biltmore
avenue
bridge,
hoping
that
they
could
alleviate
some
of
the
flooding
problems
in
this
area.
But
the
utility
relocation
costs
were
too
expensive.
N
So
they
needed
to
end
that
in
that
project,
after
their
studies,
so
we're
all
coming
together
now,
realizing
that
our
problems
are
bigger
than
one
department
can
handle
and
working
on
ways
to
use
these
new
federal
funds
that
are
dedicated
to
climate,
resiliency
and
better
transportation
to
see
if
we
can
possibly
get
some
of
those
funds
to
work
on
this
problem.
N
E
N
There's
a
lot
of
you
parcels
that
are
for
sale
now,
so
we're
very
we're
trying
to
work
on
this
as
quickly
as
possible.
H
And
you
you
mentioned
possibly
relocating
the
road.
Further
away
from
the
river
is.
N
Well,
that
would
be
the
idea.
The
road
is
so
close
to
the
river
right
now
that
it's
going
to
fall
in
eventually
the
utility
poles
are
already
starting
to
lean
into
the
river.
So
the
road
is
next,
and
so
the
idea
would
be
to
push
the
road
out
of
the
floodway
and,
as
far
possibly
as
far
as
the
back
of
the
bank,
we
don't
know
yet.
N
There's
there's
so
many
studies
that
need
to
be
done
before
we
can
even
make
any
intelligent
choices
on
what
would
be
the
right
move,
but
I
ideally
if
this
were
to
work
out,
it
will
really
help
with
flood
resiliency.
G
Yeah
I've
got
several
questions
for
you.
I
guess.
First
of
all,
swannano
river
road
is
ncdot,
but
thompson
street
is
the
cities.
G
And
then
I
guess
without
getting
too
dramatic,
but
we
kind
of
already
went
there
trying
to
get
a
basic
understanding
of
the
timeline
and
risk
of
the
road
actually
being
washed
out
or
the
soil
under
it
being
washed
out.
Is
there
a
civil
engineer,
that's
like
from
dot
or
wherever?
That's
given
that
kind
of
description
or
analysis
or.
N
G
And
my
last
question
is,
and
I'm
no
hydrologist
in
fact
I
can
barely
pronounce
the
word
typically,
but
it
seems
to
me
that,
like
fixing
some
of
the
the
water
volume
and
water
speed
problems
upstream
in
some
of
the
tributaries
to
the
swannanoa
would
benefit
this
problem
and
all
the
others
you
listed
downstream.
G
N
Well,
I'm
I'm
so
glad
you
said
that,
because
the
county
did
do
a
flood
mitigation
study,
was
it
in
2008
ish
around
there.
That
still
is
very
pertinent
to
where,
where
the
pinch
points
and
the
issues
that
could
be
addressed
are-
and
this
area
is
one
of
them,
but
there
are
other
areas
further
upstream.
G
N
B
C
Hi
ann
hi-
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you.
I
know
we've
talked
several
times
about
the
federal
government
funding
and
I
appreciate
looking
into
that
because
you
know
we
don't
know.
What's
going
to
come
down
the
road,
we
should
grab
those
opportunities
as
fast
as
we
can
and
have
more
conversations,
certainly
with
fema
about
their
funding
and
other
stuff.
So
I'm
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
it
and
you
know
I
look
back
over
what
you
said.
C
You
know
what
seven
eight
years
ago,
whenever
that
that
flood
study
was
done
in
that
general
area,
the
biltmore
flooding
area
that
you
know
it's
too
expensive.
Now
it's
not
going
to
be
cheaper.
C
Later
it's
going
to
double
and
triple
every
year,
probably
the
cost,
and
so
I
don't
know
what
we
as
a
city
and
county
need
to
do
except
collaborate
understand
it's
going
to
get
really
bad,
probably
way
faster
than
we
think
and
maybe
parker
and
sage,
and
all
of
us
can
figure
out
an
approach
to
apply
along
with
land
to
sky,
for
some
of
the
money
that
we
really
need-
and
I
just
appreciate
your
thinking
on
this
lucy
and
your
work.
Thank
you
very,
very
much.
B
O
O
So
that's
a
relatively
new
committee
for
those
who
don't
know,
formerly,
projects
that
were
in
the
downtown
or
the
river
arts
area
were
reviewed
by
those
commissions,
including
this
one,
as
kind
of
a
voluntary
review
or
mandatory
review
on
a
voluntary
compliance
situation.
So
now
the
role
is,
I
think,
broader
and
more
kind
of
comprehensive
and
stephanie
had
sent
that.
O
Development
impact
framework
checklist
around
earlier
today
and
kind
of
asked
that
I
would
just
kind
of
speak
through
it
a
little
bit
in
regards
to
a
swan
nova,
greenway
project,
and
then
any
comments
from
this
commission
will
be
passed
along
to
the
design
review
committee
at
the
march
meeting,
where
it
will
be
formally
reviewed
by
them.
So
I'll
keep
this
really
brief,
because
lucy
did
a
great
job
with
the
overview
of
the
project.
Obviously,
the
greenway
has
a
lot
of
beneficial
impacts
to
a
lot
of
different
themes
and
areas
of
concern.
O
I
think
the
checklist
seems
probably
more
suitable
to
like
a
building
development
project,
but
I
think
it's
still,
you
know
very
applicable
to
this
greenway
project.
O
So
obviously,
lucy
was
talking
a
lot
about
the
flooding
and
storm
water
access
and
management
issues
that
will
be
potentially
improved
in
some
areas.
With
this
greenway
project
it
will
improve
the
multimodal
transportation
system
connecting
to
other
greenways
and
sidewalks,
as
well
also
will
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
business.
D
O
F
O
The
greenway
will
obviously
help
make
the
neighborhood
more
of
the
24
7
type
neighborhood
as
far
as
more
activity
and
better
services
and
amenities
for
the
existing
residents,
the
ones
that
will
be
coming
to
the
area,
with
either
new
projects
that
are
underway
or
once
coming
down
the
pike
in
the
future.
O
I
will
incorporate
landscaping
and
plantings,
signage
and
lighting,
and
maybe
even
public
art,
as
well
as
far
as
urban
design
is
concerned,
and
in
regards
to
the
environment
and
sustainability.
This
is
a
huge
project
to
you
know:
help
reduce
emissions
potentially
from
folks
shifting
away
from
automobiles
into
more
bicycles
and
walking.
Potentially
as
far
as
equity
goes,
the
greenway
is
obviously
an
amenity
open
to
all
all
folks,
so
we'll
serve
a
wide
variety
of
the
population
and
be
open
and
accessible
to
everyone
free
of
charge.
O
It
will
help
improve
public
safety
with
more
folks
in
the
area
and
more
eyes
on
the
street
more
eyes
on
the
greenway,
so
it'll
be
beneficial
in
that
regard.
O
It's
part
of
the
wilma
dickman
plan
as
well,
so
it
relates
directly
to
that
regards
to
the
regional
riverfront
offerings
and
we'll
connect
other
greenways
as
well,
and
then,
as
far
as
the
alignment
with
the
citywide
comprehensive
plan
living
asheville,
there
are
a
lot
of
goals
that
will
be
affected
and
help
to
achieve
some
of
those
goals.
In
the
plan
from
this
greenway
in
particular,
I
highlighted
a
bunch
of
them
there's
about
a
dozen
or
so
goals
that
I
thought
this
would
apply
directly
to
some
of
which
are
are
very
obvious,
like
build
out.
O
The
greenway
network
increase
access
to
safe
bicycling,
multimodal
transportation,
well-maintained
parks
and
open
spaces,
naturalize
storm
water
management
techniques,
enhancing
public
safety,
promoting
general
health
and
wellness
and
enhancing
transportation
to
and
from
asheville,
since
this
will
become
a
regional
amenity
and
connection
at
some
point
public
input.
Obviously
this
is
going
through
a
public
process,
so
we'll
be
has
been.
You
know
vetted
over
time
with
the
public
and
will
continue
to
be
so,
and
noise
odor
other
negative
impacts.
O
Don't
think
that
really
applies
to
this
project.
So
that's
not
really
not
really
a
problem.
In
this
case,
so
that's
kind
of
my
quick
and
quick
and
dirty
take
on
the
development
matrix
in
regards
to
this
project
and,
like
I
said,
of
any
comments
or
questions
or
concerns,
you
all
have
will
be
summarized
and
a
staff
report
to
the
design
of
your
committee
in
march.
B
Thanks
will-
and
I
just
want
to
if
you'd
like
to
speak
about
the
stormwater
and
its
effect,
and
you
had
mentioned
it
in
the
chat.
I'd
like
to
give
you
the
floor
to
just
share
that
with
the
group.
C
Oh,
I
just
think
that
you
know
what
lucy
said
we
all
are
seeing,
and
I
know
the
county's
working
on
a
comp
plan
pretty
soon
there's
definitely
interest
in
discussion
about
stormwater
improvements
and
the
city
too.
How
do
we
slow
the
storm
water?
How
do
we
reduce
it?
How
do
we
improve
the
quality
of
it?
We
know
that
it's
definitely
impacting
the
river
and
its
health.
Also
when
you're
talking
here,
lucy's
talking
about
the
roadway
you
all
have
been
by
there
and
thompson
street
you've
seen
the
erosion
and
the
road's
going
to
fall
into
it.
C
E
Yeah
it's
in
line
with
what
anne's,
sharing
and
and
really
this
has
to
be
like
a
much
broader
commitment.
We
can
do
really
wonderful
things
along
the
greenway
and
that
will
help
downstream,
maybe
help
the
immediate
project.
But
until
there
is
like
this
broader
approach,
it's
it's
going
to
continue
and-
and
I
would
just
like
to
re-
you
know
state
that
stormwater
mitigation
and
stormwater
control
in
urban
areas
looks
very
different
than
it
does
in
suburban
areas,
and
so
distinguishing
those
approaches
and
and
being
creative
and
applying
them
is
really
critical.
B
Thank
you
both
well.
I
had
a
question
about
your
interface
with
property
and
business
owners.
What
what
has
that
experience
been
like?
How
have
those
folks
been
taking
the
you
know
the
news
of
the
greenway
and
some
of
them
are
probably
impacted.
N
Yeah,
so
the
section
that
we're
designing
and
planning
to
build
now
has
16
property
owners
and
we're
currently
in
the
midst
of
getting
our
land
acquisition.
Easements
done
so
far.
They've
all
been
very
supportive
of
the
project
excited
that
it's
coming
in.
We
have
one
property
that,
because
they
had
a
conditional,
zoning
already
had
an
easement
built
in.
So
we
love
those
and
we've
got
two
fairly
large
commercial
properties,
the
river
hills,
river
hills
shopping
center,
where
dick's
sporting
goods-
and
I
can't.
N
So
there's
also
a
restaurant,
that's
new.
It
used
to
be
bonefish,
but
it's
something
else.
Now
a
latin
kitchen
are
all
very
excited
about
the
idea
of
the
greenway
coming
in.
They
know
it's
going
to
be
good
for
their
business,
so
so
far,
no
contentious
issues
with
the
greenway
that
we're
about
to
build
for
the
rest
of
it.
It's
still
so
much
a
concept.
We
don't
have
our
game
plan
down.
N
H
H
What
what
would
happen
if,
if
those
properties
sold
and
someone
wanted
to
develop
on
those
properties
before
you
come
up
with
a
concept
or
a
plan,
but
that's
going
to
kind
of
be
a
crunch,
isn't
it
because
you'll
have
to
decide
whether
to
grant
a
permit
for
this
new
develop?
So
we
say
someone
must
build
an
apartment
building
on.
H
Of
the
swannanoa
river,
I
mean
you
know,
and
it
is
in
a
flood
floodway
and
you
don't
have
the
design
for
relocating
the
road
or
all
that
completed.
So
what
would
you
do?
You
just
have
to
say?
Well,
you
can't
have
your
your
permit
now
or.
N
Well,
shannon
would
probably
be
able
to
answer
that
more
but
yeah.
This
is
a.
This
is
a
big
worry
of
ours.
That
properties
are
turning
over.
People
are
coming
to
the
city
with
plans
and,
like
ann
said,
it's
only
getting
more
expensive
sure,
shannon
jump
in.
I
The
the
only
good
news
I
have
about
that
is
that
well,
there's
two
things:
one
is
that
we
do
tend
to
see
larger
project
requests,
and
so,
if
it's
a
conditional
zoning,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
them
to
consider
how
their
plan
might
accommodate
a
future
greenway.
The
other
is
that
we
do
have
some
flooding
issues.
I
mean
it's
still
in
the
flood
plain
or
the
flood
hazard
area.
I
So
oftentimes
applicants
want
to
kind
of
push
their
project
back
away
from
the
road
in
order
to
stay
out
of
the
floodway
or
the
floodplain,
so
that
might
help
also
but
yeah
it's
not
it's
not
ideal.
I
mean
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
prioritize
and
have
the
resources
to
really
develop
these
plans
so
that
we
don't
have
that
problem,
because
it
is
a
threat
to
the
greenway
system.
N
E
Yeah
I'll
be
real
fast.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
lucy,
I'm
really
excited
about
this.
This
is
in
an
area
where
I
live
and
I
always
see
people
riding
their
bikes
and
walking
along
swannano
river
road.
That's
the
only
way
to
get
between
tunnel
and
biltmore
village,
and
unless
you're
or
bill
more
avenue,
and
unless
you
live
in
those
neighborhoods,
you
have
nowhere
to
walk
except
on
the
road
and
it
it's
it.
It's
very
needed
and
thanks
for
this
great
work,
you're
welcome.
B
Thank
you,
it
sounds
like
we're.
Gonna
have
lucy
and
will
back.
I
appreciate
the
lively
discussion
and
I'm
sure
there's
more
to
follow.
So
thank
you.
B
B
Looking
at
the
first
day,
one
which
is
a
thursday,
it
would
be
in
person
we're
looking
at
probably
an
11
to
12
tour
likely
of
the
foundation
studio,
the
foundation
development
meeting
with
some
business
owners.
B
There
probably
meeting
with
the
developer
and
have
have
him
tell
us
about
the
project
and
where
they
are
and
where
they're
going
likely
lunch
in
that
area
from
12
to
one
and
then
we're
looking
at
doing
an
open
air
shuttle
ride
from
one
to
three
and
hitting
certain
spots,
a
hop
on
hop
off
going
probably
meeting
with
some
folks
at
riverland
to
look
at
some
of
the
areas
along
the
river,
probably
going
to
tour
some
of
the
developments
along
amboy
road
and
carrier
park
and
then
from
3
30
to
5.
B
B
Policy
on
tap
and
that's
from
3
30
to
5.,
5
and
there's
going
to
be
a
couple
presenters
as
well
as
steph,
will
also
be
a
presenter.
So
whatever
anyone
is
able
to
attend,
that's
great.
We
tried
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
you
could,
if
you
couldn't
make
them
all
that
you
could
pick
and
choose
which
ones
you
thought
would
be
most
helpful
for
you
to
to
grasp
what's
happening
in
the
district.
B
But
that's
where
we
are
on
that
we're
calling
that
day,
one
learn
day:
two,
it
would
be
a
virtual
day
and
that's
a
discussion,
virtual
discussion
about
making
an
impact
with
this
information.
How
can
we?
How
can
we
move
forward
as
a
commission
and
make
an
impact?
B
B
Steph,
do
you
have
a
sense?
We
hadn't
really
talked
about
a
time
frame.
M
J
B
Well,
I
don't
think
it's
anything.
We
need
to
discuss
right
now.
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
with
with
with
some
of
you
just
to
let
you
know
that's
where
the
city
was,
they
were
having
this
discussion.
B
It's
at
this
point,
it's
pretty
informal
they're,
recognizing
some
of
the
challenges
of
the
commissions
and
one
of
them
being
there's
there's
too
many
for
the
size
of
our
our
city
and
and
the
the
tax
on
the
the
staff
that
has
to
to
manage
it
all
so
yeah,
I'm
sure
we'll
discuss
that
as
it
it
moves
through.
But
I
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to.
B
I
don't
think
it's
imminent
in
the
next
year
or
so
I
wouldn't
think.
That's
my
I
guess
so
any
other
questions
about
the
retreat.
B
All
right
I'll
speak
on
behalf
of
the
parking
and
mobility
I've
spoken
with
both
tim
and
christy,
the
the
arpa
grant.
B
I
actually
presented
a
two-minute
presentation
to
city
council
and
they
have
now
they
are
in
the
process
of
going
through
all
the
applications,
there's
over
50
million
dollars
worth
of
of
grant
request,
and
I
think
that
unfortunately,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
tough
for
us
to
to
be
selected
out
of
this
sage
has
mentioned
to
me
that
she
has
tried
to
get
the
other
commissioners
on
board
and
is
having
a
difficult
time,
getting
getting
a
consistent
consensus
about
about
this
being
something
that
they're
they're
at
this
time
willing
to
fund,
but
we'll
we'll
stay
tuned
and
we'll
hope
that
we
can
maybe
have
a
hybrid
solution
where
we,
maybe
we
get
funded
for
a
year
and
the
tda
is
able
to
then
step
in
with
some
support
there
and
then
christy.
B
Let
me
know
that
she
and
patty
torno
have
been
communicating
on
flood
response
in
the
in
the
communication
with
public
works,
and
it
was
christie's
opinion
that
things
were
actually
working
really
very
smoothly,
but
that
she,
personally,
as
a
business
owner
in
the
in
the
district,
was,
was
concerned
more
about
safety
and
public
safety
as
it
relates
to
you
know
some
of
the
homeless
camps
and
those
who
are
squatting
and
just
causing
some
concern
for
her
and
her
and
her
patrons
so
more
to
follow
on
that.
B
But
those
would
be
the
updates
that
I
have
for
the
parking
and
mobility
the.
H
Well,
we
we
did
have
a
meeting
and
had
some
discussion
about
how
we
should
prioritize
our
efforts
and
focus
in
on
on
how
how
to
you
know
have
have
some
event
that
would
would
draw
in
you
know,
community
members
that
might
participate
and
join
with
us.
B
Well,
we
had
yeah.
What
we
had
come
up
with
with
is
a
likely
a
three-part
series,
first,
two
parts
being
about
an
hour
and
a
half,
the
third
part,
being
a
optional
kind
of
outdoor
meet-and-greet
along
the
riverfront
part.
One
would
be.
The
question
is:
what
is
the
status
of
the
water
quality
along
asheville
riverfront?
E
B
Thank
you,
a
presentation
on
the
on
the
economic
impact
study,
as
well
as
the
impairments
and
part
two
would
be
action
steps.
What
can
we
do
identifying
partners
identifying,
funding
and
grant
opportunities?
So
that's
where
we
are
there.
H
B
Yes,
there's
a
document
that's
coming
out
through
the
through
the
it's
a
called
a
303
d
impaired
waters
list
it's
put
out
by
the
division
of
water
quality,
which
I
think
is
a
part
of
the
epa
so
more
to
follow.
On
that
we're
going
to
continue,
brainstorming
and
working
on
that.
B
That
will
likely
be
sometime
in
the
likely
in
the
summer
or
early
fall.
H
B
H
And
how
how
how
we
can
move
forward
with
those
improvements
to
right,
hopefully
improve
or
get
us
out
of
the
impaired
status
at
some
point,
correct.
H
We
are
going
to
involve
some
of
the
river
outfitters
who
want
to
participate
in
the
safety
aspect
of
recreation
on
the
river,
so
we
thought
that
would
be
better
done
a
little
bit
later
on
in
the
spring,
when
people
were
more,
you
know
actually
thinking
of
putting
their
feet
in
the
river.
So
right
so.
B
We're
about
to
we're
on
a
time
constraint:
steph,
do
you
have
an
update.
A
B
Yep,
commissioner
sloane,
I
give
you
the
floor
and
I
apologize
it's
only
for
a
couple
minutes.
G
Nah,
not
a
problem
darren.
The
agenda
for
bucking
county
commission
is
pretty
light
next
week.
What
I
wanted
to
update
you
guys
on
and
what
I'm
telling
everyone
I
speak
to
these
days
about,
is
the
the
budget
constraints
with
our
regional
transportation
authority,
otherwise
known
as
the
french
broad
mpo,
and
I'm
I'm
one
of
the
members
within
buncombe
county.
G
That's
appointed
that
board
on
your
behalf,
to
advocate
for
transportation
funding,
along
with
commissioner
brownie
newman,
a
member
of
montreal
town
council
mayor
vihan
of
woodfin,
trying
to
think
of
who
else
two
members
of
national
city
council-
and
I
will
I
will
link
that
roster
of
members
here
in
in
the
in
the
chat.
G
So
people
have
it
what
we're
looking
at
over
the
next
month
or
so
is
those
members
within
buncombe
county
getting
together
to
look
at
our
our
transportation
improvement
plan,
a
list
of
projects
that
range
from
highway
widenings
to
greenways
and
sidewalks,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
at
that
plan
and
those
lists
of
projects
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
our
region,
it's
a
little
bit
worse
than
the
state
level,
our
region's
around
50
over
budget,
with
the
with
the
the
projects
that
we
that
we
have
going
out
a
decade
and
that's
with
the
the
with
the
dollars
that
we
expect
to
come
down
through
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
package.
G
Those
list
of
folks
I
mentioned
will
be
trying
to
get
together
over
the
next
few
months
and
discuss
what
projects
we
might
we
really
want
which
projects
we
want
to
cut
down
scale
back
or
remove
entirely
and
that
that
will
be
an
interesting
exercise
and
something
that's
never
happened
before,
and
certainly
I've
never
participated
in.
So
if
you
have
opinions
and
and
concerns
and
questions,
please
reach
out
to
me
and
and
and
reach
out
to
those
other
members
from
buncombe
county.
G
Hopefully
what
will
happen
is
the
bunch
of
county
members.
We
will.
We
will
come
together
with
some
sort
of
consensus
on
what
to
fight
for
and
take
that
to
the
full
french
broad
mpo
board,
which
also
includes
people
from
from
haywood
county
and
henderson
county,
so
we're
all
kind
of,
as
we
always
have
competed
for
funding
for
things.
So
that's
a
quick,
that's
it!
That's
all
you
get.
B
Email
me,
if
you
have
questions
parker.
Thank
you.
Do
you
mind
emailing
those
info
that
information
out
because
we'll
probably
lose
it
in
the
chat?
Yeah.
B
Commission,
council,
woman
turner
is
no
longer
on
the
line
and
just
a
reminder.
Our
next
meeting
is
actually
the
annual
is
going
to
be
the
annual
retreat
on
march
24th
and
25th.
B
There
are
no
callers
on
the
line
and
I
would
finally
like
to
know
if
there's
somebody
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
and
before
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
the
lively
discussion.
I
think
it
was
a
really
impactful
meeting
and
probably
our
longest
one.
Yet
so
thank
you
all
for
for
hanging
in
there
and
I
do
appreciate
all
of
your
service
and
time
motion.