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B
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone
I'm
brian
moffett,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
meeting
of
the
actual
downtown
commission
for
july
8
2022..
The
actual
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
urban
center
of
western
north
carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
B
In
addition,
downtown
commissioners
currently
fill
four
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design
review
committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
arts,
district
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
B
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
and
we
appreciate
everyone's
patience
as
we
continue
to
do
this,
for
I
think
this
month,
the
next
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
also
linked
on
the
downtown
committee
commission's
page.
We
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
welcome
to
everyone
listening
with
us
today.
B
B
Good
morning,
tal
frankfurt
good
morning,
everyone
good
morning
is
kimberly
hunter.
Did
she
log
in
no
okay,
stephen
lee
johnson
good
morning
good
morning,
I
am
here
robin
reigns
good
morning
good
morning,
megan
rogers.
B
B
So
I
will
begin
our
agenda
items.
I
will
try
to
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
our
first
item
is
our
approval
of
minutes.
We
have
our
draft
action
minutes
again.
That
is
linked
on
our
committee
page,
if
you'd
like
to
see
that
the
full
minutes
are,
is
the
video
recording
of
our
meeting
and
but
we
have
the
draft
action
meeting
minutes
there
for
our
approval.
D
B
The
motion
carries
very
good.
I
think
I
don't
think
we
received
any
public
comment
to
this
point
in
time.
We
do
have
a
live
call
in
and
we
will
address
that
if
there
are
any
other,
is
there
any
public
comment?
I'm
missing
folks.
B
Okay,
our
staff
is
pinch,
hitting
congratulations
to
dana.
She
had
a
baby
girl
yesterday.
Let
me
see
if
I
get
the
name
right
amari
pearl
did
I
do
that?
Okay,
so
congratulations
to
dana,
so
we
have
multiple
staff.
It
takes
about
four
staff
members
to
fill
her
shoes,
helping
us
out
this
morning,
so
we
will
move
on
into
our
new
business.
We
only
have
one
item
to
review
today
and
that
is
the
downtown
public
safety
updates.
B
We
have
captain
mike
lamb
with
asheville
police
department
here
to
discuss
that
with
us,
and
we
appreciate
you
putting
information
together
and
responding
to
some
of
our
questions
and
I'm
being
here
with
it
today,
and
so
I
turn
it
over
to
you.
G
Great,
thank
you
brian
yeah.
About
a
month
ago,
I
was
asked
to
put
together
what
our
crime
stats
are
updates
for
this
year.
2022
so
far
the
stats
will
be
from
january
to
june,
so
it'll
be
the
first
six
months
of
the
year
and
also
a
five-year
comparison.
G
G
Okay,
so
this
is
the
geographical
geographical
area
that
that
we're
looking
at
so
it's
from
the
roundabout
charlotte,
south
charlotte
street,
being
the
border
including
south
slope
and
then
western
end
of
patton,
the
patton
clingman
area
and
then,
of
course,
you've
got
downtown
central
business
district
as
well,
so
stats
are
taken
for
the
last
five
years
and
all
crimes
are
year
to
date
from
january
to
june.
G
I
guess,
let
me
see
there,
we
go
okay,
so
looking
at
our
stats
this
year,
we
have
the
probably
the
main
point
is
violent.
Crime
is
the
highest
that
has
been
for
the
last
five
years.
Our
these
are
our
part,
one
ucr
crimes,
so
it's
our
violent
crime
and
then
our
property
crime.
G
G
We
had
also
28
violent
crime,
191
incidents
of
property,
crime
2021
we
had
35
incidents
and
you
can
see
property
crime
was
was
higher
during
our
2021
year
and
then
so
far
this
year
we've
had
38
incidents,
violent
crime
and
then
223
instances
of
of
property
crime.
G
But
one
thing
to
also
consider
is
that
you
know
we
are
seeing
under
reporting
here,
especially
over
the
last
two
years,
because
we
of
the
list
of
incidents
list
of
crimes
that
or
at
least
incidents
that
we
are
not
responding
to
because
of
our
low
staffing
numbers.
So
it's
incumbent
on
a
lot
of
folks,
especially
with
property
crime
to
self-report,
so
they
have
to
go
online
use
our
online
reporting
tool,
especially
if
it's
for
stuff,
like
graffiti
property
damage
larcenies
that
are
not
in
progress
and
then
those
related
incidents.
G
G
Prostitution,
charges
and
stuff
like
that,
there's
two
ways
that
we
get
stats
on
nuisance
crimes.
The
first
way
is,
is
officer
initiated
so
when
an
officer
witnesses
a
a
crime
in
progress
and
then
they
address
it
and
then
that
calls
built
based
on
the
officer
initiating
that
call.
The
second
way
is
this
public
reporting.
So
if
we
have
someone
from
the
the
community
that
calls
and
reports
the
nuisance
crime,
so
that
is
what
these
stats
are
comprised
of.
G
G
So
we
were
talking
about
the
high
number
in
2019,
especially
with
citizen,
citizen
call-ins,
and
that
we
believe
coincides
with
the
what
citizens
are
aware,
that
officers
will
respond
to
and
then
also
will
it
will
address
so,
and
so
we
again
think
lower
numbers
now,
because
of
the
the
list
of
calls
that
we
we
put
out
that
we
can't
respond
to
because
of
our
low
staffing
numbers.
G
C
Yeah
captain
lamb
I've
got
a
question
about
exactly
what
makes
up
one
crime.
You
know
so,
for
instance,
in
oftentimes,
there's
a
crime,
there's
multiple
charges
in
the
same
event,
you
know
assault
and
battery.
You
know
possession
of
a
weapon
or
in
the
same
event.
So
when
you,
when
you
say,
there's
38
violent
crimes,
there
are
38
charges.
There
are
38
individuals
who
have
been
charged
38,
distinct
incidents.
What
exactly
makes
up
one
unit
in
that
stack.
G
So
the
good
question:
it
is
not
the
individuals
charged
and
not
the
list
of
charges,
it's
per
incident,
so
it's
based
on
our
ucr
status,
which
is,
I
think,
now
it's
just
transferred
over
to
nybers,
which
is
our
mandatory
reporting
that
and
we
turn
in
all
that
data
to
the
fbi
so
that
they
have
the
stats
also
and
it
you
know
that's
kind
of
what's
factored
into
when
you
look
at
a
community's
crime
stats
on
some
of
these
other,
like
neighborhood
scout
and
those
other
pages
that
look
at
crime
stats
throughout
the
nation.
G
B
G
No
no
worries
it's
so
ucr
uniform
crime
reporting
has
transferred
over
to
neighbors
nibrs,
which
is
the
national.
I
think
this
national
incident-
I
can't
remember
all
the
acronyms,
for
it
is
the
new
fbi's
reporting
standards
for
agencies
to
to
turn
over
information
to
the
to
the
federal
government
as
far
as
crimes.
G
And
it
came
to
me
also:
it's
national
incident-based
reporting
system
is
neighbors,
so
just
took
me
a
second
okay,
looking
at
apd
attrition
by
the
numbers
since
june
2020
we've
had
98
officers,
resign,
one
resigned
twice
and
two
retired
and
two
were
terminated
out
of
that
loss
of
officer
experience.
We
lost
580
total
years
of
combined
experience.
G
So,
looking
at
a
pediatrician
by
the
numbers
for
this
year,
we
have
13
officers.
So
far
this
year
have
resigned
in
2022.
We
have
sworn
officers
that
are
available
to
work.
We
have
a
158
out
of
our
allotted
238
officers
and
then,
when
you
factor
in
various
types
of
leave
medical
leave
injuries,
we
actually
have
a
147
out
of
a
allotted
238.
H
Yeah,
just
how
do
you,
what
do
you
treat
the
attrition
for?
What
are
the
reasons
that
you
know
people
are
giving
so.
G
We,
since
2020
we've
had
a
variety
of
reasons
anywhere
from
compensation
to
lack
of
community
support,
to
lack
of
political
support,
to
moving
away
to
be
with
family
to
moving
on
to
better
paying
jobs.
Initially,
the
bulk
was
basically
just
an
overall
lack
of
lack
of
support,
combined
with
the
the
low
compensation.
G
Yeah,
especially
initially
when
we
started
having
resignations,
we
had,
we
had
several
that
went
to
henderson
county
sheriff's
office.
We
had
a
few
that
went
to
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office,
haywood
county
sheriff's
office,
which
you
know
initially.
That
was
we've
never
really
seen
that
because
they
you
go
from
a
municipality
to
a
sheriff's
office,
which
you
know
could
potentially
have
a
new
sheriff
elected
every
couple
years.
G
So
then
there's
concerns
about
job
security
there
and
then,
but
at
the
same
time
we
were
also
seeing
sheriff's
office,
different
sheriff's
offices
that
were
paying
more
than
the
asheville
police
department,
which
is
new
compared
to
what
I've
experienced
over
the
last
24
years.
Yes,
andrew.
C
So
do
you
have
any
information
about
how
apd
is
when
one
department
of
the
city
is
is
is
having
trouble,
you
know,
being
fully
staffed
and
is
there
an
average
baseline
for
all
city
departments
about
like
because
I
know
I
know
that
a
lot
of
what's
affecting
working-class
jobs?
C
You
know
whether
they're
in
municipal
government,
or
even
you
know,
I
know,
restaurants
that
are
down
40
staff
too.
So
you
know
can
how?
How
different
are
the
numbers
with
the
police
department's
struggle
with
staffing
compared
to
say
the
fire
department
or
parks
and
record?
Do
we
know
we
have
a
do?
We
have
any
idea
of
a
of
how
this
compares
to
other
departments
and
whether
it's
a
city-wide
problem
or
not?
That's
a
great.
G
Yeah,
that
is
a
great
question.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
numbers
look
like
within
within
the
other
city
departments,
but
I
think
we
can
get
hr
to
get
that
get
those
get
that
information
together
for
sure.
H
G
But
then
we
had
some
of
that
money
used
for
compensation
whenever
the
I
don't
know,
if
y'all
remember
the
compensation
study
that
was
done,
2019
2020,
and
so
there
were
adjustments
made
in
conference
that
kicked
in
in
compensation
later
in
2020
and
2021.
G
Okay,
I'll
move
on
to
the
next
slide,
so
hiring.
We
have
12
new
officers
that
have
completed
basic
training
being
sworn
in
today
at
two
o'clock.
They
will
start
field
training
this
month
we
have
nine
new
officers
that
have
completed
their
field
training
this
spring
and
that
are
now
now
working
patrol.
G
G
At
this
point,
so
we're
hoping
that
the
the
company
that
we
contracted
with
with
epic
that
once
they
get
back
our
our
recruitment
packages,
that
we
can,
you
know,
get
those
out
and
start
generating
more
numbers
from
what
the
recruitment
company
presents
to
us
and
is
able
to
to
that
we're
able
to
use
to
get
get
more
recruits.
G
G
I
was
the
district
commander
for
that
district.
I
had
four
different
sergeants
and
the
majority
officers
were
either
on
bicycle
or
on
foot
most
of
the
time,
so
that
you
had
greater
officer
presence
within
the
downtown
area.
Plus
it
was
officers
that
worked
there
full
time
that
knew
the
knew.
The
businesses
knew
the
folks
that
lived
downtown
and
were
able
to
to
be
out
on
foot
talking
with
with
people
and
and
building
relationships
there.
G
So
in
2020,
downtown
coverage
went
from
eight
officers,
typically
covering
out
a
shift
down
to
two
officers
covering
out
a
shift.
So
we
did
a
recombination
of
trolley
district
and
david
district,
which
is
south
asheville.
So
now
the
district,
which
downtown
is
ranges
all
the
way
from
240
in
the
central
business
district,
all
the
way
down
to
airport
road
in
south
asheville.
G
So
that's
a
large
geographical
area
and
looking
district
wide
at
the
three
different
districts
that
we
have,
which
is
baker
which
is
east
asheville,
north
asheville
adam,
which
is
west
asheville
everything
west
of
the
french
broad
river
and
then
charlie
david.
We
have
an
average
of
five
or
six
officers
per
district,
which
is
our
daily
average.
G
G
To
make
sure
that
everyone's
safe
downtown,
that
everyone
is
able
to
exercise
their
their
first
amendment
right,
but
also
to
be
safe
to
from
any
kind
of
outside
influences
there.
So
it's
it's
difficult
because,
with
only
five
to
six
officers
per
district,
that
means
that
other
districts
are
not
not
being
covered.
G
So
there's
less
police
covers
that
are
out
there
in
the
neighborhoods.
Whenever
these
type
of
events
occur
occur
and
especially
one
that's
spontaneous
and
unplanned.
You
know.
We
definitely
appreciate
the
ones
that
folks
that
come
ahead
of
time
and
say,
hey
we're
having
this
event,
they
go
through,
usually
john
phillman,
with
the
with
permitting
and
then
that
helps
us
to
be
able
to
better
gauge
our
staffing
and
bring
extra
officers
in,
but
the
the
definitely
the
unplanned
ones
are
a
burden
on
our
district
staffing
and
affect
coverage.
Police
coverage,
city-wide.
A
Hey,
has
there
been
any
discussion
of
what
it
would
take
or
what
you
would
need
to
bring
back
the
downtown
unit.
G
Yeah,
I
know
the
that's
definitely
on
the
table.
I
think
we
we
have.
You
know
right
now.
We
have,
we
have
to
make
sure
our
districts
are
staffed.
G
Well
enough
to
you
know,
to
have
still
keep
our
response
times
flat,
and
you
know
we
have
nobody
in
general
assignment
for
in
our
detectives
division.
So
you
know
we
have
our
as
you've
seen
in
the
news.
I'm
sure
we've
had
our
retirees
coming
back
to
work.
G
Some
of
those
cases
part
time
to
help
with
having
no
detectives
in
general
assignment
and-
and
you
know,
like
my
staff,
the
community
resource
officers
community
unit,
we
lost
one
of
our
officers-
she
resigned
last
month,
so
now
I'm
down
to
one
officer
in
our
cross.
You
know
we
have
half
the
sros
the
school
resource
officers
that
we
used
to
and
then
half
of
the
housing
unit
that
we
used
to
so
patrol
was
the
focus,
but
we
also
have
to
backfill
these
these
other.
G
I
mean
it's
really
important
to
have
property
crime
detectives,
so
I
think
those
have
to
be
filled
first
and
then,
once
those
different
divisions
and
specialty
units
are
at
adequate
staffing,
then
we'll
look
at
bringing
back
a
downtown
bicycle
unit,
because
it's
those
relationships
and
being
out
on
foot
being
on
bicycle
is
really
important
for
us
and
I.
G
Seeing
the
officers
on
bike
and
officers
on
foot
so
so
yeah,
but
once
we,
I
think,
once
we
get
staffing
back
up
within
those
other
other
units,
we're
able
to
look
at
bringing
that
back
downtown.
G
All
right
so
last
we'll
talk
about
burnout.
So,
in
addition
to
the
two
officers
assigned
in
the
downtown
area,
we
do
hire
officers
extra
duty
to
help
cover
the
central
business
district.
These
officers
help
to
provide
extra
coverage
downtown.
The
unfortunate
thing
is
because
of
our
staffing,
these
assignments
are
only
being
filled
at
approximately
50
fill
rate,
so
we
may
have
an
additional
one
to
two
officers,
just
depending
on
who
is
signing
up
for
these
extra
duty
assignments
and
then
officers
in
competition
with
the
downtown
assignment.
G
We
also
have
to
have
officers
that
fill
vacancies
within
the
districts
whenever
somebody
is
out
injured.
We
know
we
have
to
have
an
officer
to
fill
that
slot,
so
they're
working
overtime
to
fill
those
vacancies
and
then,
whenever
we
do
have
a
planned
protest,
we
have
additional
officers
that
are
required
to
work
to
help
cover
those
special
events
and
protests,
and
you
know,
as
you
know,
downtown's
very
busy
so
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
these
events
over
the
last
couple
of
weekends.
G
So
we
have
several
officers
that
haven't
had
a
weekend
off
for
the
last
month
or
two
because
of
all
the
events
so
we're
we
are
starting
to
see
officers
experiencing
burnout.
You
know
just
valuing
time
off
to
rest
and
be
with
their
families
rather
than
then
work
overtime,
so
so
yeah.
This
is
definitely
what
we're
experiencing
now.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
for
for
doing
this
and
pulling
all
the
stats
and
for
all
the
work
you
all
are
doing.
So
what
do
you?
What
do
you?
What
do
you
need,
or
what
would
be
your
ask?
How
do
we
make
this
better,
because
it's
a
pretty
gloomy
picture
here
like
right,
crime
is
going
up.
Resources
are
going
down
potential
for
additional
burnout
right.
The
you
know:
we've
had
the
survey
from
businesses
in
the
area
that
are
right,
like
the
the
feeling
downtown.
H
I
think
there
was
a
comment
a
few
months
ago
that
on
on
this
call,
there
was
a
perception
that
crime
is
going
down
so
like
clearly,
crime
is
not
going
down.
So
what
can
we
do.
G
Well,
I
definitely
think
continue
to
show
support
for
especially
our
patrol
officers.
You
know,
there's
there
were
several
good
stories
that
came
out
of
this
last
fourth
of
july
event.
During
the
daytime,
the
officers
were
out
on
foot
having
interactions
with
folks
attending
the
event,
and
you
know
the
consensus
was
officers
just
explaining
how
it
was
so
nice
to
hear
people
you
know
tell
them
they're
appreciated.
You
know
thank
you
for
being
being
at
the
event.
It
seemed
like
everyone
was
having
a
good
time.
G
You
know,
except
for
a
handful
of
folks,
that
decided
to
cause
some
issues
later
on
that
evening,
but
but
that's
being
addressed,
but
in
general
there
was
a
just
a
sentiment
of
of
you
know
everyone
just
just
happy
to
be
there
and
happy
to
be
back
out
and
be
back
together,
so
definitely
more
community
support
which
we're
starting
to
see
really
come
in
now
also,
the
city
is
looking
at,
I
think
different,
like
hiring
bonuses
retention
bonuses
possible
stuff
to
draw
other
officers
to
this
area,
lateral
officers.
Also.
G
So
that's
that's
still
in
talks
because
it's
with,
as
you
know,
nationwide
a
lot
of
different
departments
are,
are
also
suffering
staffing
shortages,
so
you
know
actually
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
highest
percentage
losses
across
the
nation.
That's
the
whole
reason.
The
new
york
times
came
here
and
and
covered
us,
but
different
agencies
are
offering
different
incentive
packages
and
we
don't
have
any
of
that
yet.
But
I
know
it's
in
the
talks.
C
Yeah,
I'm
also
wondering
if
we
have
any
you
know
just
sort
of
looking
at
a
baseline.
It
would
seem
that
if
there's
a
national
rise
in
crime,
it
would
be
difficult
for
local
measures
to
really
make
a
big
difference.
If
we're
part
of
a
larger,
you
know
social
effect.
That's
hap
that's
happening,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
our
changes
in
our
data
like
how
closely
are
they
tracking
national
changes
and
are
we
an
outlier
in
that
way?.
G
So
that
yeah,
that
is
a
good
question.
We
in
the
news
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
incidents,
I'm
not
sure
how
we
compare
locally
to
to
other
cities
nationally,
because
you
know
asheville
is
so
unique
in
that
we
have.
G
D
C
Right
because
you
could
get
into
you're
measuring
often
crimes
per
resident,
not
crimes
per
person
in
the
area.
You
know,
which
is
a
really
in
a
in
a
town
like
ours.
We
know
that
such
a
huge
fluctuation
so
yeah
that
does
it
does
change
a
lot
of
the
data
I
mean
not
just
from
the
police
department,
but
so
many
things
that
that
you
know
we
end
up
seeing
here.
G
G
Yeah
now
I
know
they're
their
patrol
numbers
are
better
than
ours
as
far
as
their
percentage
staffing
with
patrol
coverage.
I
know
right
now.
The
buncombe
county
sheriff's
office
is
having
a
hard
time
filling
vacancies
within
the
within
the
jail,
so
their
staffing
numbers
are
pretty
low
within
within
a
detention
center,
but
patrol-wise
coverage-wise
we're
the
lowest
in
the
region.
Okay,.
B
Any
other
questions
for
captain
lynn,
while
we've
got
him.
G
They're
having
discussions
this
month,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
what
the
closed
timeline
is
I
can.
I
can
find
that
out
and
get
back
to
you.
B
Very
good:
well,
we
we
really
appreciate
you
coming
in
and
and
and
giving
that
information
to
us,
and
we
would
appreciate
being
just
kind
of
kept
in
the
loop
if
there's
something
that
we
can
do
as
a
as
a
group
to
advise
counsel
on
on
any
of
this
going
on.
Okay,
any
any
further
questions
for
captain
lamb
and
do
we
have
any
public
comment,
just
curious,
probably.
B
B
Well,
folks,
we're
going
to
move,
move
right
along
and
actually
end
on
time
today,
how
about
that
maybe
early
design,
review
committee
updates
and
reports
stephen
lee,
I
think
you're
up.
E
We
met
on
june
16th
and
we
had
one
project
that
we
had
a
final
formal
review,
and
this
was
72.
Broadway
you'll
probably
have
read
about
this,
and
you've
definitely
heard
about
it
through
our
reports.
I'm
going
to
guess
this
was
the
sixth
review,
perhaps
brian
and
fifth
review.
Just
as
a
reminder.
This
was
a
big.
This
is
a
really
big
one.
It's
a
nine
story,
they're
calling
it
mixed
use,
but
there's
there's
two
thousand
square
feet
of
commercial,
but
it's
22
hotel
units
and
18
residential
units.
E
We
had
a
very
long,
lengthy
discussion
and
there
was
lots
of
discussion
about
how
what
we're
seeing
now,
what
the
committee
was
seeing
now
and
then
what
the
final
design
development
will
be.
There
were
a
lot
of
changes
that
were
made
throughout
the
entire
review
process
and
the
architect
remained
open
to
suggestions.
E
I
think
that
the
just
the
biggest
concerns
were
that
there's
a
level
of
design
that
the
committee
would
love
to
see.
That
sometimes
is
not
available
in
the
review
process,
because
they
still
basically
have
to
go
through
design
development
themselves
in
the
design
process.
But
high
points
they're
definitely
doing
a
green
roof
on
this
building
as
a
part
of
the
review
process,
we
were
also
made
aware
that
the
same
team
did
a
really
large
green
roof
project
that
most
people
aren't
aware
of
that
145
biltmore.
E
There
was
decision
made
at
the
last
part
of
the
design
process
to
make
that
a
green
roof.
So
if
you
have
a
chance
to
see
it
when
you're
up
in
a
taller
building,
take
a
look
at
it,
but
so
this
is
starting
to
make
an
impact.
I
think
I'm
going
to
ask
any
of
the
other
architects
that
are
here
they
would
like
to
brian
or
robin
ricardo.
B
B
I
don't
know
what
all
the
answers
are.
Maybe
we
need
to
have
more
of
an
objective,
a
way
of
measuring
things,
and
maybe
we
just
need
to
communicate
better,
but
I
I
mean
I
believe
the
project
got
better
every
time
they
came
back
to
us.
I
That's
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say.
I
felt
like
this
project
was
a
good
example
of
the
lackings
of
design
review
committee.
In
a
way,
I
I
what
I
would
like
to
the
city
to
define
or
whoever's
job
it
is
to
define,
is
what
exactly
our
role
is,
especially
in
reviewing
these
hotels,
because
we
are
the
last
stop
for
this,
and
that
makes
me
feel
pressure.
I
don't
know
how
everybody
else
feels,
but
I
don't
know
what
our
purview
is.
I
I
guess,
or
what
our,
what
our
power-
or
I
don't
know
so
it
it
feels
stressful
and
then
reviewing
it
so
many
times
it
it.
I
know
that
the
design
team
was
very
stressed
and
frustrated
with
us
and
we
were
frustrated
with
them,
so
it
it
didn't.
It
didn't
feel
like
a
good
meeting
to
me.
E
And
I
think
there
was
there
was
there's
frustration
in
that
there
may
be
requests
that
are
made
or
questions
that
are
asked
of
the
design
team,
and
the
response
is
that
that
is
a
level
of
detail
that
we
don't
get
into
and
we
until
we
get
into
the
final
stages
of
design
development
and
it.
So
you
know
the
renderings
that
we
are
looking
at.
E
The
form
of
these
buildings
is
very
obvious,
but
a
level
of
detail
is
missing,
that
in
terms
of
exact
materials-
and
I
think
for
all
the
folks
on
the
committee
that
earned
their
living
doing
professional
services
and
and
doing
schematic
design,
design
development,
cds.
We
understand
the
risks
that
these
design
teams
will
have.
E
I
think
that
personally
my
concern-
and
I
think
all
of
our
concerns-
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
the
committee,
but
given
the
scale
of
this
building,
you
know
there
are
suggestions
and
decisions
that
are
made
that
are
involving
you
know,
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
materials,
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
weight
being
put
on
this
committee
to
make
sure
that
these
buildings
look
fantastic
when
they
get
built.
E
So
ricardo.
J
Yeah
stephen
to
to
your
earlier
comment,
I
think
we
you
know
we
did
ask
for
there.
I
think
there
was
a
misunderstanding
on
the
part
of
the
design
team,
because
we
asked,
for
you
know
a
certain
level
of
development
or
a
certain
level
of
details,
just
basically
to
know
what
we
are
reviewing
and
what
we
are
accepting
and
really
what
we
were
talking
about,
at
least
for
myself,
was
really
just
schematic
level
stuff
and
they
kept
going
back
to.
J
Know
we
were
talking
about.
You
know
the
the
thing
with
the
metal
panel.
It
you
know
the
it
can
change.
You
can
do
so
many
things
with
metal
panel
that
it'll
change
the
character
of
that
building
completely.
So
at
what
point
does
a
change
in
the
way
that
they
handle
the
metal
panel
becomes
a
material
change
right,
even
though
they
haven't
technically
changed
the
material
so
yeah?
J
I
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
important
for
us,
especially
with
a
project
of
of
that
you
know
scale
and
that
caliber
to
really
understand
what
what
is
required
of
them
and
what
is
required
of
us,
because
you
know
we
reviewed
that
project.
To
a
certain
extent.
We
reviewed
it.
No,
you
know
no
different
than
any
other
project.
J
B
That
you
know
when
we're
when
we're
the
last
stop
for
these
used
by
right
hotels.
I
would
like
a
clear
set
of
guidelines
on
where,
where
my
purview
is
and
then
where
my
recommendations
start
so
that
I
can
know
what
they
can
ignore
and
what
they
can't
ignore,
and
then
we
can.
You
know
we.
We
know
what
we're
doing
and
maybe
that's
something
that
we
as
a
commission
can
inform
the
drc
on.
I
mean
we're
the
ones
that
kind
of
recommend
policy
to
counsel.
B
So
I
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
basically
saying
this.
This
is
not
just
design
guidelines.
This
is
this
goes
into
the
hotel
ordinance
itself
in
in
what
we're,
what
we're
proven,
what
we're
not
approving
and
what
kind
of
and
honestly
it
comes
down
to
how
we
communicate
what
we're
proven
to
staff
when
they
go
through
and
check
it.
You
know.
Suddenly
it's
got
vertical
siding
on
the
on
the
whole
thing.
Well,
it's
still
a
metal
panel.
Does
that
does
that
count?
You
know.
Well
you
and
I'm
ricardo.
B
H
B
We
don't
necessarily
know
so
we
are.
It
is
so
so
the
the
hotels
kind
of
have
two
paths
to
receive
an
approval
they
can,
if
they
keep
it
at
a
certain
size
as
a
level
2
project,
they
can
come
through
the
the
design
review
committee
for
approval
and
pnz,
but
they
have
to
get
a
positive
recommendation
from
us
every
other
design
project
that
goes
through
drc.
B
It's
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance,
but
in
this
case
it's
mandatory
review
mandatory
compliance
right
so
but
but
then
it's
like
well
what
are
and
or
they
can
go
to
council
right
and
then
it's
then
now
it's
political
football.
So
obviously
they
want
to
go
through
us
instead
of
counsel
all
right.
So
then
it's
like
well,
okay,
can
I
require
that
they
put
a
green
roof
on
there,
there's
nothing
in
the
design
guidelines
that
requires
that.
But
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea.
Stephen
lee
johnson
thinks
it's
a
really
good
idea.
B
So
the
two
of
us
team
up
and
say:
hey:
you
need
to
do
this
right
now
they
did
it
wasn't
me
and
stephen
lee.
It
was
steve
lee
and
a
couple
others,
but
anyway
it
was
a
good
idea
and
I
agree
with
it.
What
we're
trying
to
say,
though,
is
that
what
can
we
require
them
to
do
as
a
policy
measure
in
in
terms
of
design?
So
we
need
better.
We,
the
drc,
needs
better
understanding
of.
B
If,
if
we're
the
stop
for
these
things,
what
policies
and
initiatives
should
we
be
pushing
and
that's
something
I
think
the
downtown
commission
should
inform
hey
for
this
project.
Here's
what
we
want
you
to
do
drc
before
you
approve
this
project.
You
need
to
do
this
and
and
maybe
that's
a
set
of
guidelines-
maybe
that's
a
per
project
thing
I
don't
know,
go
ahead
andrew.
D
C
I
mean
I'm
wondering
how
much
it
seems
like
you
guys,
are
struggling
with
the
trying
to
get
like
an
objective
100
of
beauty,
essentially
of
something
that's
aesthetic,
and
that
is
pleasing.
I
mean
we're
not
talking
about
you
know
in
engineering
specifications
that
are
you
know
they
either
make
it
or
they
don't.
It
seems
that
that
the
nature
of
what
a
design
review
is.
C
C
B
That's
what
that's,
what
we
would
like
more
guidance
on,
I
think,
is
if,
if
you
had,
if
you
had
here's
some
objective
things
that
are
in
in
whether
it's
in
the
udo
or
in
a
set
of
design
guidelines
for
the
hotel
district
or
a
little
bit
of
both
great
you
know,
I've
been
pushing
for
design
guidelines
for
downtown,
for
I
don't
know
10
15
years
now.
Yes,
we
would
like
more
objective
standards
and
I'd
like
to
change
some
standards
that
are
dumb
or
or
poorly
written.
Excuse
me,
sorry,
allen!
D
B
So
I
would
like
to
change
some
things,
but
then,
and
then
there's
some
recommendations
from
a
policy
level
from
groups
like
this.
For
example,
this
project
needs
a
green
roof
before
it
receives
approval.
It's
not
in
a
guideline,
but
this
project
should
have
it
right.
So
then
there's
there's
the
policy
issues
and
then
there's
the
subjective
stuff
where
we
as
professionals
can
talk,
but
we
can
agree
to
disagree.
B
F
Hey
good
morning,
everyone
todd
o'clocheny
planning
urban
design,
director
great
great
discussion
around
all
this
right
and
and
ideally,
if
we
had,
you
know,
I
think
the
opportunity
to
at
some
point
evaluate
our
downtown
design
guidelines,
and
you
know
they're
they're
more
than
10
years
old,
now,
a
lot
of
great
discussion
around
kind
of
the
maybe
the
trade-off
between
having
subjective
guidelines
that
are
voluntary
versus
you
know
those
objective
standards-
and
I
think
you
know
the
udo-
has-
has
some
objectivity
to
it,
but
and
there's
again
that
trade-off
in
terms
of
you
know,
if
you
have
more
objective
standards
with
that
stymie
creativity
of
building
design
in
downtown,
or
is
that
something
that's
needed
at
this
point?
F
Because
you
know
we
feel
you
feel
like
the
the
quality
of
the
design
of
the
overall
product
and
the
overall
building
and
and
project
is
not
you're,
not
not
acceptable.
So
I
would
love
to
have
that
discussion.
I
know
it's
you
know.
Updating
the
downtown
design
guidelines
is
something
that's
been
kind
of
on
on
the
back
burner
of
our
our
respective
work
plan.
F
For
for
several
years
now,
and
but
but
going
forward
as
we
get
more
resources
within
the
planning
and
urban
design
department
and
and
continue
to
kind
of
work
with
the
the
new
design
review
committee,
I
think
you
know
one
one
of
the
things
we
liked
about
the
design
review
committee
is
we
felt
like
once
that
committee
was
formed,
that
that
might
be
the
spark
that
we
needed
to
really
make
some
progress
on
on
evaluating
those
downtown
design
guidelines.
F
So
I
I'd
love
to
have
that
discussion
with
you
and
and
and
maybe
more
detail
at
another
date
and
with
the
design
review
committee
about
how
we
might
be
able
to
to
accomplish
that,
and-
and
also
if,
if,
if
this
commission
would
like-
and
I
would
be
happy
to
you
know-
have
a
presentation
at
an
upcoming
meeting
to
downtown
commission
and
or
the
design
review
committee
to
maybe
clarify
those
roles
and
responsibilities.
In
terms
of
you
know
what
the
requirements
are
now
and
and
kind
of
clarify.
F
What
type
of
recommendations
could
could
be
the
most
helpful
for
the
design
review
committee
to
help
inform
you
know
their
their
decision
as
well,
and-
and
you
know
I
in
my
in
my
view-
I
think
the
downtown
commission,
where,
where
what
makes
you
really
unique
as
volunteers,
is
your
expertise
of
of
everything
going
on
in
downtown.
So
it's
you
have
this
higher
level
policy
knowledge
you.
F
You
have
this
knowledge
of
just
the
way
things
work
in
downtown,
and
I
think
you
could
really
add
value
by
you
know
maybe
making
recommendations
pertaining
to
kind
of
the
the
social
impacts
or
environmental
type
impacts
of
a
project
and
really
having
an
understanding
again
of
how
everything
functions
in
downtown.
F
I
would
caution,
though,
that
there's
like
the
green
roof
as
one
example,
because
it's
not
a
requirement
in
the
udo.
Certainly
this
commission
can
make
a
recommendation
or
drc
could
make
a
recommendation
like
that.
But
if
it's
not
a
requirement,
we
do
just
have
to
kind
of
balance
that,
with
you
know
what
what
we
have
the
authority
to
do
and
and
to
require
you
know
of
the
applicant.
But
but
again
I
you
know
we
with
the
design
review
committee.
F
This
is
the
type
of
feedback
that,
when
we
formed
it
that
we
we
would
love
to,
have
and
appreciate
getting
these
this
this
type
of
input,
because
we
we
think
it
could.
It
could
certainly
be
better
if
there
are
ways
to
improve
that
and
and
to
also
clarify
kind
of
the
roles
of
the
downtown
commission
versus
the
design
review
committee.
I'd
be
happy
to
you
know:
have
that
conversation
at
an
upcoming
meeting.
B
I
Well,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
say.
I
mean
if
I
don't
want
to
overstep
our
authority
with
this
commission,
the
design
review.
Commission
I
mean-
and
I
I
I
know
that
we
aren't
required
to
have
green
roofs.
So
technically
we
can't
or
shouldn't
require
required,
but
it
seems
like
if
we're
not
allowed
to
do
things
like
that.
All
we're
doing
is
saying:
do
you
meet
the
step
back
guidelines?
I
Do
you
have
the
street
wall
and
basically
we're
just
checking
off,
which
is
not
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
this
big
hotel
thing
that
we
went
through
and
it's
not
gonna.
It's
just
gonna
make
people
check
the
boxes
for
the
guidelines
and
and
if
that's,
what
we're
doing
and
that's
our
purview,
then
that's
fine
and
it's
good
to
know
and
that's
what
we'll
do,
but
if
we're
supposed
to
do
more
than
that,
I
really
want
direction
from
the
city
on
that.
D
Yeah
I,
when
I
looked
at
the
new
hotel
guidelines
I
had
so
helped.
I
had
so
wished
that
the
design
review
committee
might
have
a
little
bit
more
say
in
where
hotels
were
put
in
in
downtown
asheville.
D
I
feel
like
if
there's
a
vacant
piece
of
land,
a
developer
is
going
to
plop
a
hotel
there
and
I
think
the
design
review
committee
or
the
downtown
commission
should
somehow
the
pal.
We
have
the
power
to
say
this
street,
which
to
me
technically
is
broadway
has
a
lot
of
historic
buildings
on
it,
and
we
want
to
keep
that
feel
in
this
part
of
downtown
and
we
just
don't
want
high-rise
buildings
that
are
going
to
overshadow
some
of
the
historic
buildings
that
we
already
have.
D
And
I
look
at
charleston
and
I
look
at
their
mayor
who,
many
many
years
ago,
charles
riley
was
their
mayor
and
saks.
Fifth
avenue
wanted
to
come
into
downtown
charleston,
and
he
said
we
don't
want
a
big
saks.
Fifth
avenue.
If
you
can
build
a
small
one
and
you
can
keep
the
antique
facade,
we
will
welcome
you
with
open
arms,
and
I
had
so
hoped
that
the
downtown
commission
would
be
able
to
have
the
power
to
say
this
really
doesn't
fit
this
street.
D
But
that's
me
and
you
know
I
happen
to
be
a
preservationist.
I
happen
to
love
old
buildings.
So
to
me
the
city
really
needs
to
decide
what
it
wants
to
look
like.
B
This
is
a
good
discussion.
I
think
I'm
going
to
take
some
notes.
I
see
stephen
lee
and
try
to
figure
out
how
to
combine
what
todd
was
offering
in
a
future
meeting
and
really
address
this
from
a
policy
perspective,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
us
and
river
arts
that
in
the
hotel
and
staff
and
council
are
all
on
the
same
page.
I
knew
you
were
going
to
say
something
andrew.
Let
me
get
stephen
lee
first
go.
B
E
I
think
three
quick
things
one.
I
think
the
committee
has
gone
a
long
way
working
together
and
come
up
with
some
really
good
recommendations.
E
If
the
design
review
committee
said
you
know
what
we
can't
approve,
this
simple
location,
the
hard
part
is
that
oftentimes
projects
come
in
and
you
know
there
are
sometimes
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
design
fees
already
spent
in
developing
a
site
plan.
So,
but
I
think
it's
a
very,
very,
very
good
reminder.
B
I
just
I
wish
we
had
a
little
more
purview
because
you
know
if
it's
used
by
right
and
if
the
local
zoning
ordinance
allows
the
building
type
and
and
everything
then
I
I
don't
know
what
to
hang
my
hat
on.
Go
ahead.
Andrew.
C
Yeah,
I'm
just
going
to
note
that
you
know
the
this.
The
really
what
we're
talking
about
is
the
72
broadway
project
that
just
went
through.
I
mean
it's
the
today's
paper.
You
know
it's
what
people
are
you
know.
What's
I
think,
what
we're
really
reacting
to
right
now
I'll.
I
will
note
that
this
was
a
better
project
when
it
was
presented
to
city
council
three
years
ago.
C
I
think
so.
I
think
it
was
a
better
looking
project.
I
think
it
was
a
better
looking
project.
There
was
more
local
art.
There
was
more
diverse
uses.
I
believe
I
think
that
there
was
more
retail
ground
floor
retail.
I
think
city
council
was
a
tougher
customer
and
they
have
that
they
have
bigger
teeth
than
the
designer
view.
C
Committee
has,
and
I
think
that
that
means
that
that
the
projects
that
city
council
saw
were
you
know,
I
think
that
were
there's
more
pressure
on
the
applicant
to
have
to
really
to
to
sell
to
city
council.
I
believe
and
kicking
this
authority
down
to
a
design
review
committee.
I
think,
has
some
structural
problems
about
about.
C
C
We've
got
an
up-down
system,
yes,
no
it's
either
it's
either
gets
design,
review
approval
or
not,
and
I
feel
that
maybe
a
more
of
a
critical
process
where
a
grade
is
issued
that
an
a
grade,
for
instance,
would
have
the
most
points
and
a
d
grade
would
have
the
least
points
and
e
would
just
be
a
total
fail
and
a
denial.
C
I
wonder
if
that
might
being
able
to
add
some
some
some
ways
that
people
could
achieve
rather
than
just
getting
a
thumbs
up,
we
made
it
through,
might
might
be
helpful
and
might
be
able
to
sort
of
stack
onto
that
existing
point
system
for
hotel
approvals
that
we
have.
I
don't
know
just
I'm
just
I'm
just
brainstorming
in
public
right
now,.
B
I
think
that
was
a
good
discussion.
I've
got
some
notes.
I
will
circle
back
with
drc
and
and
talk
to
staff
about
a
putting
some
more
of
this
stuff
together.
I
don't
know
we'll
have
it
together
for
next
month's
meeting,
maybe
in
september
we
can
talk
about
this
again.
B
Thank
you,
stephen
lee.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
joining
in
asheville,
downtown
association,
update
megan.
A
Hey
good
morning,
my
time
has
been
largely
spent
on
events.
Lately,
we've
had
or
will
have
three
events
in
the
span
of
four
weeks,
including
monday's
fourth
of
july
celebration,
but
two
other
items
of
note.
We
used
to
do
this
every
other
year
and,
of
course,
kobet
has
impacted
that,
but
we
are
going
to
do
our
walkability
study
in
september,
and
this
is
when
we
bring
a
group
of
volunteers
together.
Would
love
to
have
some
help
from
the
downtown
commission
and
the
city
designed
an
app
for
us.
That's
really
easy
to
do.
A
We
give
folks
like
two
weeks
to
do
it
and
we
basically
give
you
an
area
of
downtown
and
ask
you
to
go
out
and
just
sort
of
look
at
the
pedestrian
experience
and
use
the
app
to
report
any
issues,
so
it
could
be
like
an
obstructed,
sidewalk
or
too
narrow,
of
a
sidewalk
ada
issues,
lighting
issues,
things
like
that.
The
app
really
does
make
it
easy
and
it
allows
the
city
to
track
that
data
and
we've
already
met
with
the
public
works
department.
A
They
really
appreciate
this
kind
of
work
that
that
volunteers
can
do
to
really
help
them
prioritize
their
projects
as
they
move
forward.
So
I
will
reach
out
with
more
information
on
that.
I
also
plan
to
check,
in
with
the
downtown
public
space
management
group,
to
get
some
feedback
from
them
before
we
go
go
forward
with
it
because
they
may
have
some
things
to
add
and
if
any
of
you
all
have
thoughts
on
on
what
we
could
be
looking
for
be
feel
free
to
share
those
with
me
and
then.
A
Lastly,
we
are
looking
to
do
a
candidate
forum
focused
on
city
council
on
mayworld
candidates,
probably
sometime
in
either
late
september
or
early
october.
My
original
date
had
a
conflict
so
working
out.
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
those,
so
we
may
partner
up
or
try
to
find
a
way
to
to
lessen
the
the
burden
on
candidates,
but
look
for
more
information
coming
up
on
that
too.
I
A
Think
yeah
yeah,
probably
the
highlights
there
were
and
both
robin
and
its
time
have
been
a
little
busy,
but
we,
the
the
budget
that
was
approved,
I
think
june
28th-
does
have
an
addition
of
a
homeless
strategy
project
specialist
as
well
as
code
purple
funding.
A
So
those
were
two
good
news
items
in
the
city
budget
and
then
I
think
probably
the
other
big
item
is
that
the
consultants
with
the
national
alliance
to
end
homelessness
did
begin
their
work
in
june
and
they
are
currently
doing
a
needs
assessment
talking
with
all
sorts
of
different
folks
resource
providers,
law
enforcement,
community
paramedics,
folks
that
are
experiencing
homelessness,
folks
that
have
been
through
the
system
and
have
exited
homelessness.
I
know
they're
planning
to
come
back.
A
I
think
they
said
in
august
and
do
some
more
interviews
with
other
groups,
and
then
they
will
be
making
recommendations.
I
believe
in
january-
and
this
consultant
group
is
focused
on
unsheltered
homelessness
for
our
area.
I
think
those
were
probably
the
two
big
things
robin
you
think.
B
Okay,
andrew,
is
there
anything
on
public
space
management
task
force.
C
Yeah
we
did
meet
in
and
we
had
a
small
meeting
but
had
made
some
had
some
really
good
discussions.
It
was
nice
to
have
another
member
of
multimodal
at
that,
and
I
want
to
say
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
keeps
coming
up
out
of
this
meeting
these
meetings
is
why
haven't
we
been
working
together
on
this
stuff
before
from
multimodal
and
downtown
commission,
because
there's
so
much
overlap
and
there's.
So
I
think
that
this
is
really
promising
it.
Really.
C
It's
really
been
really
great
to
see
people
work
together
on
this
stuff
because
it
turns
out
we
have
a
lot
of
the
same
goals
and
getting
out
of
each
getting
out
of
silos
and
working
together,
I
think
has
been
really
helpful
and
I
think
showing
that
there's
some
certainly
some
critical
mass
for
as
far
as
you
know,
some
new
approaches
to
how
to
use
down
how
to
use
our
downtown
and
the
experience
of
the
of
the
pandemic
has
been
incredibly
informative,
and
I
think
very
a
lot
of
people
have
have
seen
public
space
in
new
ways
due
to
the
experience
of
the
pandemic
and
how
quickly
we
we,
we
tried
to
adapt
for
that.
C
We're
going
to
be
kind
of
on
ice
now
during
dana's
maternity
leave.
So
we
there
we
may
get
together
and
we
were
encouraged
to
use
each
other
as
resources
and
communicate.
But
dana
is
really
our
our
key
person
and
behind
that
effort,
and
so
we
wish
her.
We
wish
her
well
in
her
new
motherhood
and
hope
to
see
her
in
the
early
fall.
B
Thank
you
andrew
everybody
should
have
the
downtown
update
report,
it's
it's
linked
in
the
agenda
and
I
think
dana
sent
it
out.
Someone
did
before
I
can
run
through
it
or
staff
can't
I'll
just
run
through
it.
Instead
of
making
todd,
do
it
so
pack
square
plaza
improvements.
B
City
council
is
working
with
mitchell
silver
and
mcadams
to
manage
the
community
visioning
process.
That's
a
six
to
nine
month,
public
engagement
and
they
are
working
on
a
temporary
public
art
program,
art
in
the
heart,
and
they
have
a
call
for
artists
through
august
1st
to
work
on
that
and
the
links
are
available
in
the
report.
B
The
avl
share
space
update,
there's
some.
They
made
an
update
to
planning
and
economic
development
about
that
initiative
on.
You
know
continuing
to
utilize,
some
of
our
public
sidewalks
private
parking,
lots.
You
know
and
and
working
on
a
few
paths
to
permanency.
I
think
that's
been
a
pretty
good
thing
as
I
walk
around
downtown
I've
enjoyed
it
immensely
carter
and
patton
storm
water
accessibility
improvements
that
project,
I
think,
is
supposed
to
begin
late
july,
yeah
through
or
or
august.
B
B
B
The
next
design
review
committee
meeting
will
be
july
21st.
We
should
have
informal
review
for
the
micro
housing
at
46.
Aston
there's.
I
don't
know
if
duke's
actually
coming
for
the
substation
on
rankin,
maybe
they
will
and
then
there's
a
small
formal
review
for
58
north
lexington
they're,
just
swapping
out
some
storefront
city
council
meetings
are
now
being
held
in
person.
They
adopted
the
the
budget
approval
on
june
28th.
B
The
july
12th
meeting
is
cancelled.
The
next
regular
meeting
will
be
july
26th,
and
I
know
that
one
of
the
things
they're
looking
at
is
the
nor
noise
ordinance
updates
consideration
of
adoption
of
the
south
side.
South
slope
vision
plan
that
would
be
in
august,
and
I
think
I
know
quite
so
as
far
as
this
leads
into
our
next
item.
All
city
boards
and
commissions
with
quasi-judicial
functions
are
in
person
and
I
believe
they
are
scheduled
for
the
other
boards
and
commissions
such
as
us.
B
It
would
be
september,
so
we
should
have
one
more
virtual
meeting
next
month
and
then
after
that,
we'll
go
back
to
our
for
our
what's
normal.
We
would
go
back
to
our
normal,
oh
sasha,
just
sent
me
or
everybody.
I
know
south
slope
vision
plan
has
a
good
chance
of
being
on
the
agenda
for
july
26th.
So
if
you're
interested
in
that,
please
attend
that
meeting,
but
our
in-person
meeting
will
most
likely
start
in.
C
C
8
30.
That
was
the
answer
to
my
question.
So
I
was
wondering
if
we
were
going
to
keep
the
the
9
30
time
that
we've
been
using
virtually
when
we
go
back
to
in
person.
B
Yeah,
I
think
we
would
go
back
to
the
830.
The
reason
we
had
to
go
back
to
the
930
was
to
give
staff
time
to
get
everything
ready
for
the
virtual
piece
was
my
understanding,
but
I
like
the
8
30
and
getting
out
of
there
at
a
decent
time
myself.
I
think
that's,
okay,
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
for
the
virtual.
It
allows
people
to
attend
and
view
that
wouldn't
be
able
to
otherwise
but
being
in
the
same
room
together.
Is
nice
too
so
anyway?
B
So
I
don't
know
when
the
updated
bike
lane
plan
is
coming
to
us
possibly
next
month.
I
I
don't
have
that
confirmed
yet
and
I'll
probably
start
putting
together
some
stuff
for
this
drc
guideline
discussion
for
our
september
meeting
any
any
comments
or
questions.
B
Wonderful,
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
early
look
at
that.
B
Very
good
robin
makes
the
motion:
is
there
a
second
second
second
by
andrew
all
in
favor
log
off
we'll
see
you
soon.