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From YouTube: Design Review Committee – June 15, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Design Review Committee.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/design-review-committee/
Participate before and during the meeting on our public engagement hub: https://publicinput.com/X0764
A
Is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
districts.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
view.
Hotels,
taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee.
A
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
now
participating
in
person.
We
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
web
site
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
YouTube
channel
either
live
or
recorded.
I
will
now
take
roll
call.
A
Jeremy
Goldstein
is
not
present.
Catherine
and
Kaya
here,
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
here,
Thomas
McLaughlin,
Michael
McDonough,
is
also
absent.
Brian
Moffett,
here,
Robin
Raines
is
absent
and
Ricardo
Seiko,
great
and
I
believe
we
do
have
a
quorum
because
we
have
more
than
five
members
in
attendance
and
we
need
to
approve
the
meeting
minutes
from
last
meeting.
A
Right
and
our
first
order
of
business
is
the
are
we
approving
the
formal
design
of
the
old.
B
D
B
Right
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
continue
the
68
Carter
Street
to
the
July
meeting
July.
E
A
Yeah
yeah:
let's
go
backwards;
okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
meeting
minutes
from
the
last
meeting,
please
say:
aye.
D
B
C
Sorry
I'm
sorry,
so
this
is
an
informal
review
for
a
hotel
site.
South
of
the
68
Carter
Street
looks
like
a
team
from
the
applicants.
Are
here.
I
have
a
very
short
presentation.
If
you'd
like
to
do
it,
it's
not
something
we
normally
do
on
informals,
but
okay.
It
helps
me
keep
my
thoughts
together
and
it
can
give
you
some
context
and
then
we
can
have
the
applicants
take
over
with
their
material.
They
submit.
C
Chair
committee
members,
my
name
is
Clay
Mitchell
for
planning
and
Urban
Design
urban
planner.
This
is
an
informal
review
and
now
that
we're
fully
stacked
up
will
and
I
are
talking
about
trying
to
get
a
little
more
involved
now
that
we
have
time
and
some
staff
people
to
actually
do
some
of
the
work.
C
So
this
is
this.
Is
the
property
and
I
wanted
to
show
you
this?
Just
to
give
you
some
background
there.
There
was
some
discussion
at
the
technical
review
committee
meeting
about
a
right-of-way
along
the
southern
portion
of
the
property
and
that
that
right
away
is
shown
on
the
left
there
in
the
in
a
1926
deed
in
to
the
South.
Those
eight
lots
are
now
where
Jan
Davis
Tire
is
and
then
to
the
north
is,
is
where
the
proposed
site
is
on
on
the
right
side.
C
You
can
see
from
the
application
materials
that
the
church
actually
is
is
built
a
little
bit
in
that
right
of
way,
so
that
right-of-way
doesn't
actually
burden
the
parcel.
It's
a
separate
parcel
and
the
survey
and
the
plan
take
that
into
account.
There
was
some
discussion
about.
C
Where
is
this
right-of-way,
and
this
is
apparently
where
it
comes
from
a
historic
Deed
from
almost
100
years
ago,
here's
the
site
immediately
behind
Jan
Davis
Tire
that
the
the
church
is
still
there,
but
the
building
just
north
of
the
church
in
the
gray
roof
is,
is
gone
here.
You
see
kind
of
a
rough
sketch
that
nice
Apple
part
of
the
application
materials
shows
the
outline
of
the
building.
In
the
context,
the
large
parking
lot
to
the
north
is
where
68
Carter
Street,
the
other
hotel
is
located.
C
The
large
dirt
area
is
now
where
the
Embassy
Suites
is
being
constructed,
so
a
lot
of
activity
in
the
Ann
and
Carter
Street
area.
This
is
a
street
view
from
January
2023.
Looking
North
up,
Carter
Street.
You
can
actually
see
the
some
of
the
beginning
construction
of
the
Embassy
Suites
up
there.
It
looks
like
the
site's
being
used
as
staging
maybe
for
the
Embassy
Suites.
This.
G
C
One
of
the
topics
in
the
TRC,
particularly
with
respect
to
the
fire
department,
is
this
question
about
the
overhead
utilities.
It's
kind
of
a
jungle
out
there
in
terms
of
utilities,
and
it
really
interferes
with
kind
of
the
public
streetscape
when
when
I
went
out
and
did
a
closer
look
at
this,
you
you
can
see
on
the
left.
This
is
where
the
main
power
lines
cross
the
street
and
they're,
then
undergrounded
and
then
there's
multiple
connections
to
the
Sycamore
Temple
off
that
pole,
the
upper
ones
are
the
electric
load.
C
The
lower
ones
are
communication
lines
and
then,
from
that
point
forward,
going
north
on
Ann
Street
on
the
east
side
of
the
street,
it
appears
that
it's
only
the
communication
line
that
travels
up
the
road.
There
are
a
few
drops
or
or
links
with
power
lines,
but
it
appears
that
the
sole
purpose
of
those
links
are
to
power
street
lights,
and
so
the
fire
department
is
working.
The
applicant
to
bury
those
lines
at
this
site,
but
there
is
an
opportunity
potentially
to
you,
know.
C
Here's
an
overview
of
the
site
plan.
You
can
see
the
external
boundary
lines,
Street,
trees
on
either
Frontage
Carter
Street
to
the
right
and
Street
to
the
left.
Some
additional
room
for
landscaping
at
the
northern
part
in
the
southern
part
of
the
property
sidewalks
to
the
north
of
the
site
is
the
access
Place
point
for
the
for
trash
receptacles.
C
So
a
little
bit
about
the
building
itself.
This
is
ground
level.
At
the
Carter
Street,
on
on
the
right
side
of
the
plans,
you
see
the
below
deck
parking.
There
are
two
levels
of
parking
on
on
the
left.
You
see
the
ground
level.
The
blue
area
is
activated
separate,
leasable
space
that
is
almost
on
the
entirety
of
the
building
along
Ann
Street.
On
the
right
side
on
Carter
Street,
the
orange
area
is
associated
with
the
the
employees
of
the
hotel.
The
yellow
area
is,
what's
called
a
jump
Lobby,
which
guests
will
come
in
there.
C
They
won't
register
they'll
immediately.
Take
an
elevator
to
the
top
and
I'll
show
you
what
that
looks
like
what
you
can
see
here
is
the
entrance
area.
There
has
Transportation
we've
discussed
in
technical
review
about
the
configuration
and
the
Heil
wits
and-
and
we
expect
to
see-
maybe
some
changes
to
that
a
little
bit
more
in
issues
also
with
how
this
the
functionality
and
the
programming
of
the
parking
is
it's
all.
C
Here's
beginning
with
some
of
the
renderings.
This
is
the
Ann
Street.
Basically,
you
see
the
the
building
rendering
at
the
top
of
flat
on
you,
can
see
the
activation
in
the
windows
along
as
much
of
the
grade
as
you
can
on
Ann
Street.
This
is
a
little
bit
less
pronounced
in
terms
of
the
topography.
Changes
for
the
northern
site,
but
you
can
see
the
applicant-
has
accommodated
that
in
place
two
doorways
to
that
leasable
space
that
fronts
along
and
Street
on
Carter
Street.
The
entrance
is
under
the
building
to
the
right.
C
You
can
see
the
difference.
The
glass
is
the
area.
That's
the
lobby.
The
Masonry
and
the
vertical
windows
are
the
area
that
provides
the
act,
the
uses
for
staff
at
the
hotel
floor
plans
standard.
You
have
multiple
rooms
with
Suites
on
the
corner.
This
is
this.
Is
my
high
tech
explanation
of
how
the
jump
Lobby
works?
You
can
go
at
the
elevators
and
then
you're
at
the
top.
This
is
new
I've.
Never
seen
anything
like
this
I
think
it's
a
pretty
interesting
approach,
so
the
guests
will
come.
C
They
will
immediately
be
at
the
top
floor
of
this
hotel,
I
assume
enjoying
the
views
of
Asheville.
It's
it's
very
open.
There's
a
lot
of
the
meeting
space.
The
fitness
space
is
on
the
top
floor.
There's
a
restaurant,
a
bar
with
Terraces
on
either
side
of
the
building,
as
well
as
kind
of
facing
south,
so
there'll
be
a
pretty
expansive
views.
From
the
top
floor
of
this
building,
there's
the
pool
rendering
set
I
think
the
applicants
have
submitted
additional
ones
that
they'll
probably
talk
about
I'm,
not
going
to
steal
their
Thunder.
C
Some
of
the
issues
that
you
have
talked
about
in
past
applications
as
as
I,
become
familiar
with
concerns,
maybe
articulation
there's
a
couple
of
facades
that
show
a
significant
amount
of
blank
space.
This
is
something
you've
discussed
in
the
past
green
Roots,
alternative
storm
water
management.
This
is
the
roof
to
the
extent
that
I
can
provide
it.
The
roof
plan
there's
likely
to
be
a
lot
of
Mechanicals
up
there
shielded
from
view.
Of
course,
you
can
see
the
Terrace
areas
which
would
not
be
available
for
that
kind
of
thing.
C
One
of
the
questions
that
I
raised
at
TRC,
anticipating
DRC
wanting
to
talk
about
it,
is
the
step
back
at
the
street
wall.
It
is
entirely
compliant
around
the
building.
It
it
kind
of
goes
back
at
the
entrance.
You
can
see
the
little
wall
that
sticks
out
that
just
pointing
out
for
your
consideration,
Street
trees,
compliant
the
question
on
Ann
Street.
If,
if
those
utilities
can
be
undergrounded,
they
can
move
from
smaller
maturing
trees
to
large
maturing
trees
and
really
build
up
that
streetscape
on
on
Ann
Street
this.
C
This
issues
that
applicant
is
going
to
deal
with,
and
it's
it's
kind
of
complicated,
that
abutting
property
has
built
a
opaque
fence
way
up
to
the
the
property
line,
but
it
also
appears
that
the
fence
is
on
the
property
of
the
hotel.
So
we
expect
to
see
some
kind
of
resolution
there,
because
the
the
other
thing
you
remember
from
the
site
plan.
This
is
where
the
entrance
is
so
in
order
to
get
a
good
sight
distance
north
on
Carter
Street,
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some
accommodation
in
this
location
and
I.
C
B
B
Me
yeah,
we
I
can't
remember
now
we
had
a
comment
when
we
started
we
knew
this
was
coming
from
downtown
commission,
Carter
and
Ian
are
very
narrow,
streets
right
now,
they're
very
difficult
streets.
D
B
We
were
wondering
if
at
some
point,
the
city
would
consider
making
those
one
way,
yeah
and
I
didn't
know
if
traffic
engineering
had
said
that,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
point
out
is
that
they
they
have
the
trash
kind
of
oriented
in
a
certain
direction
in
this
current
design,
and
if
that
was
going
to
become
a
one-way
street,
that
would
obviously
impact
you
know
if
it
was
the
wrong
one-way.
That
would
impact
how
what
easily
that
trash
was
impacted.
B
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
on
anybody's
radar
right
now,
but
those
are
really
narrow
streets,
we're
adding
a
ton
of
traffic
to
them
and
I
think
I
think
making
them
one
way
would
make
them
better
for
pedestrians
and
a
lot
of
different
things
anyway.
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
a
that's,
not
really
a
DRC
question,
but
it
would
impact
the
design
of
the
trash
piece
on
get
my
streets
right,
yeah,
yeah,
so.
C
I
I,
it
is
on
every
someone's
radar
now
because
we
talked
about
it
in
public
meeting
but-
and
you
know,
I
am
by
no
means
a
traffic
engineer,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
most
coherent
and
logical
way,
if
that
were
to
be
implemented,
would
be
Ann,
Street,
North,
Carter,
Street
South,
so
that
people
could
do
right
turns
to
to
circumvent
the
loot.
If
you
did,
the
other
way,
you'd
be
creating
four
left
turns,
and
it
would
be
chaos.
C
D
C
So
the
cyclins
you
can
just
scroll
through
and
then
the
renderings
see
the
little
arrows
you
can
go
back
and
forth
between
the
three
files.
That
was
the
site
plan
yeah,
okay
perfectly,
and
these
things
get
a
little
wacky,
they're
opposite
of
a
normal
computer,
because
everybody
wants
to
be
different
to
go
down.
C
D
H
Yeah
Matt
Gower
with
Oda
architecture,
no
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you
for
that
great
presentation.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
specific
to
add
to
it
other
than
just
you
know,
have
a
conversation
with
you
all
about
about
the
project.
I
mean
I.
Think
the
main
thing
was
that
obviously
we're
working
on
the
68,
Carter,
Street
project
and
so
to.
H
We
certainly
tried
to
take
all
of
the
the
comments
and
concerns
with
the
development
of
that
project
and
apply
them
apply
them
to
this.
You
know
most
specifically
addressing
Ann
Street
appropriately,
making
sure
we
have
pedestrian
environments
on
on
both
Street
frontages.
H
Fronts
both
streets,
whereas
on
the
previous
project,
obviously
the
main
tower
is
kind
of
only
oriented
towards
towards
Charter
street.
So
in
terms
of
you
know,
Building
height
and
all
that
you
know,
I
think
we're
certainly
made
this
a
strong
effort
to
address
both
Street
frontages
appropriately.
H
You
know,
I
think
appreciate,
certainly
the
comments
of
the
blank
walls.
Obviously
this
is
still
in
development,
so
we're
still
working
through
that,
but
I'm
certainly
recognized
I.
Think,
especially
that
that
piece
facing
Ann
Street
right
there
that
you
see
in
the
view,
probably
would
benefit
from
from
a
bit
more
articulation
on
those.
You
know
for
the
podies
above
the.
B
B
B
The
the
you're
massing
how
you
differentiate
on
the
the
lower
level
kind
of
retail
pieces
and
then
the
hotel
piece
and
then
the
and
then
your
top
piece
now
you're
you're
treating
the
corner
differently
the
in
inside
Corners
differently
on
this
one
than
you
did
on
the
other
one,
but
like
on
this
one
on
the
last
one,
you
were
creating
framed
pieces
with
that
you
don't
really
have
that
language
in
this
one.
B
I
don't
know
this
little
piece
on
and
with
that
kind
of
storefront
and
then
the
double
band
is
that,
like
a
sign
band,
what
I
don't
know
it's
just
it?
It
doesn't
really
fit
the
language
of
the
rest
of
the
building.
There's
two
horizontal
double
bands:
I'm,
like
I'm
I,
see
it
it's
different
than
what
you've
done
everywhere
else
and
so
I'm
just
like!
Well,
okay,
it's!
G
I'll
be
like
a
long
brick
things
like
that,
and
it
wraps
around
the
front.
So
it's
pulling
two
different
datums.
It's
like
the
height
of
the
windows
and
as
on
the
front
because
of
the
different
grade,
change,
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
do
this.
G
Let's
see
so
here
is
when,
like
it
pulls
from
the
grade
change,
and
then
it
pulls
at
the
level
of
the
second
floor
and
kind
of
is
pulling
those
two
things,
but
we
are
imagining
it
as
kind
of
a
feature
material,
maybe
in
those
moments
kind
of
like
a
a
glazed
tile
or
a
glazed
brick
at
those
moments.
But
it's
it
is
slightly
supposed
to
like
kind
of
read
differently
than
like
the
building.
That's
coming
out
of
it.
I
guess
is.
B
Yeah,
it's
doing
that
I!
Guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say:
I'm,
not
I
apologize
I'm,
not
expressing
myself
well,
so
so
this
piece
on
Carter
Street
that
that
little
entrance
piece
is
a
on
the
on
the
previous
design.
It
was
really
kind
of
this.
These
framed
openings
setting
up
the
Rhythm
right,
and
so
it
was
a.
It
was
a
long,
horizontal
piece
that
kind
of
read
as
a
singular
element
with
with
these
framed
the.
B
Up
the
road
and
and
in
this
one
you've
got
it
set
up
with
a
with
a
pretty
strong
horizontality
for
that
little
piece,
the
other
one
gets
more
vertical
and
so
like
on
this
elevation.
That
makes
sense,
and
then
you
separated
that
so
the
the
the
the
dark
band
is
on
the
top
and
the
bottom
of
your
horizontals,
but
on
the
and
Street
side,
they're
stacked
differently,
and
it
just
looks
odd
to
me.
It
looks
like
you
had.
What
I'm
talking
about
is
those
two
kind
of
blue
bands
right
there.
B
B
Like
the
other
side,
the
elevation,
the
the
hierarchy
of
the
building,
is
making
sense
until
I
get
to
this
side,
specifically
that
lower
piece,
it
doesn't
have
the
same
level
of
no
I
mean
you're
activating
it
I
I,
see.
B
B
B
And
I
hear
you.
Obviously
you
already
know
that
we're
gonna
hit
these
two
kind
of
blankish
faces,
especially
going
on
on
North
End
right
there
that,
above
that
two-story
speech,
piece,
so
I
I
would
say
that
it
most
of
it's
developed.
The
way
that
you
know
we're
going
to
want
to
see
it,
except
for
really
just
this
Ann
Street
elevation
is
what
I'm
kind
of
keying
off
of
I.
Think
we've
got
some
questions
on
the
site
plan
and
stuff,
but
that's
just
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
seeing
that
correctly.
So.
G
Yeah
we
can
take
another
pass
that
actual
Heights
I
think
are
like
consistent
around
the
whole
thing.
The
datum
and
I
think
it's
just
probably
when
the
building
like
raised
in
the
Topo
went
down
like
the
scaling
and
the
ratios.
Don't
really.
D
B
B
B
B
Yeah,
you
see
the
strum
that
strong,
that
strong
band
that
you
start
to
take
around
that
that
that's
informing
that
that
piece
it
wraps
around,
and
so
it's
got
the
heavy
line,
light
line
heavy
line,
but
then
you
get
to
the
other
side
and
it's
just
heavy
line.
Heavy
lining
and
I.
Don't
know
it.
Doesn't
it's
a
really
strong
image
on
on
that,
but
it's
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
H
D
B
A
Okay,
maybe
I
saw
a
different,
is
I'm
guessing
you're,
stepping
the
slab
there
yeah
okay.
B
So,
can
you
speak
to
the
the
kind
of
or
maybe
we
should
I
want.
B
E
I'll
say
two
things:
three
things
I
again,
this
is
another
if
it's
it's
a
beautiful
building.
Overall,
you
know,
there's
oh.
H
D
G
E
And
this
is
this
is
just
because,
what's
happening
and
and
so
I'm
a
little
bit
disappointed
that
it
a
little
too
reminiscent
of
it,
yeah
just
a
little
bit
too
reminiscent
so
I
wish
you
hadn't
done
something
different
or
you
do
something
different
with
the
with
that
roof.
H
E
Know
same
sort
of
language
you
know:
could
this
guy
do
something
like
this
and
start
to?
You
know
flare
out,
I'm,
gonna
flare
out
and
something
like
that
and
just
start
to
differentiate
itself
a
little
bit
more
and
the
you
know.
That's
and
I
I,
I,
I'm,
sorry
I'm
trying
not
to
talk
about
68.,
but
on
16
I
didn't
make
the
comment
about
the
colors
I'm.
You
know
we're
seeing
render
eggs
the
color
renderings
have
a
warm.
E
You
know
warm
palette,
you
know
and
then
the
the
other
renderings
we
saw
were
much
more
Stark
I'm,
a
fan
of
contrast,
I'm
a
I
like
I,
like
materials
that
show
you
show
off
the
the
detailing
with
Shadow
lines
and
things
like
that.
E
Keep
that
in
mind-
and
hopefully
you
know
this
is
it
this
doesn't
end
up.
Looking
you
know
where,
where
I
thought
68
was,
you
know
overall
a
little
too
dark.
You
know
this
doesn't
end
up
being
too
light
and
import
or
lighting
the
wrong
way.
So
the
light
colors
are
going
to
make
sure
that
the
contrast,
Isn't
So
Stark,
because
some
of
those
renderings
clean
made
me
think
of
Stormtroopers
because
it
was
really
black
and.
E
Stripy
kind
of-
and
so
you
know
the
color
renderings-
that
you
provided
no
deal
with
that
a
lot
better
and.
E
D
D
A
Think
the
screens
I
think
my
main
reaction
to
this
is.
It
feels
I
think
there's
similar
massing
as
Ricardo
mentioned,
but
I
think
the
screening
on
68
and
some
of
the
detailing
that
you
were
doing
had
more
charm
or
more.
It
felt
more.
A
B
H
H
H
That
layer
to
really
hopefully
kind
of
yeah.
A
It's
a
general
statement:
I'm
not
getting
very
specific,
but
I
would
just
say
in
general
at
least
more
like
Suburban
off
the
highway
project
than
like
middle
of
the
city.
H
That
we're
still
kind
of
working
through
but
again
I
think
to
hear
that
from
you
is
appreciate
it
and
we
we
are
certainly
focusing
on
that.
B
So
for
this
site
plan,
I'm
gonna
make
the
same
comment
that
we
made
last
time
is
like
this
is
kind
of
a
minimal
compliance
plan.
You
know,
you've
got
trees,
you've
got
Paving
and
you've
got
you
know
it's
it's
it's
it's
hitting
the
the
boxes
and
it
does.
You
know
there
are
a
little
bit
more
I.
Don't
know
it's
hard,
it's
hard
for
me
to
tell
like
where's
pedestrian
I'm
going
and
not
going.
Maybe
that
surrendering.
Maybe
that's
I,
just
can't
side
plans,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
would
say
this.
F
Instead
of
the
bird's
eye
view,
plan
view
will
help
reveal
areas
where
it
is
Stark
and
we
do
need
some
warmth
or
we
do
need
some
vegetation
and
so
I'm
going
to
assume
that
it's
just
really
early
and
that
there's
going
to
be
more
done
in
that
realm,
because
that
is
such
an
important
part.
An
important
piece
of
this
project
for
our
community
people
who
will
come
stay
at
the
hotel,
will
just
be
here
for
a
period
of
short
period
of
time.
F
Oh
and
then
the
other
thing
I
would
just
say:
I
love
the
idea
of
the
utilities
being
buried
and
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
larger
Street
trees
on
that
side
of
the
street,
which
will
benefit
I,
think
the
building,
but
also
The,
Pedestrian,
environment
and
just
general
quality
of
that
street.
There's.
B
F
D
B
Know
a
little
bit
out
of
the
box.
Thinking
to
to
you
know,
provide
room
for
the
utilities,
as
well
as
the
root
space.
B
B
It
just
it's
going
to
require
some
thought
and
and
again
I'm
not
seeing
maybe
it's
there
and
I'm,
just
not
seeing
it,
but
I
really
don't
see
kind
of
any
kind
of
pedestrian
amenities
on
the
and
I
know,
there's
not
as
much
to
do
on
the
Carter
Street
side.
You
know,
that's
your
lobby,
that's
where
you're
bringing
people
this
stuff
but
I,
don't
know.
It's
just
kind
of
you
know.
D
I
I'd
like
to
bring
up
a
topic
Brian
that
you
had
earlier,
and
this
may
be
something
that
you
guys
want
to
really
bring
forth
to
the
city.
I
think
that
there's
a
huge
benefit
for
the
residents
and
your
customers
with
having
potentially
these
streets
turned
one
way,
I
think
it
could
have
a
huge
impact
on
the
quality
of,
especially
residents
that
are
going
to
be
walking
a
lot
around
there.
So
I
think
that
would
be.
I
That
would
be
an
important
thing
to
consider
and
if
you
really
feel
good
about
it
to
bring
it
in
front
of
traffic
engineering,
especially
given
the
scale
an
investment
that's
being
made
in
such
a
tight,
dense
area,
I
think
the
same
thing
goes
potentially
for
some
of
these
utilities.
I
don't
know
if
these
hotels
are
going
to
be
built
at
the
same
time
or
years
apart
or
or
months
apart,
but
you
might
Identify
some
some
challenges
that
are
there.
That
impact
both
properties
that
the
city
might
Entertain.
I
I
To
we'll
help
you
with
that,
we'll
we'll
take
care
of
that
or
we'll
do
it
at
Cost
and
you,
you
know
y'all
fund,
this
fund
give
the
dollars,
but
so
that's
something
to
consider
the
the
renderings
that
you
mentioned
I
think
are
going
to
help
with
in
terms
of
contacts.
But
you
know
these
are
Big
projects
that
are
so
close
together.
I
It
would
there's
a
great
opportunity
for
The
Pedestrian
experience
to
really
be
impacted
in
a
positive
way
in
honestly,
I'm
really
thinking
about
this
in
terms
of
your
customer
and
your
residence,
not
the
cities,
the
citizens
of
Asheville,
that's
the
bit,
that's
the
extra
benefit,
but
I
think
it's
just
money's
smartly
spent
again,
especially
given
the
state
things
are
now.
The
streets
got
a
long
way
to
go
so
I
think
that's
really
important.
D
I
Those
design
guidelines,
if
you
don't
have
a
copy
clay,
can
send
you
one,
but
it's
very
important
that
you
guys
read
those
design
guidelines
and
for
me,
especially
the
items
that
pertain
to
streetscapes
and
storm
water
quality,
there's
very
specific
statements.
They
are
not
requirements
in
the
design
in
the
design
guidelines,
but
they
are
recommendations
and
suggestions
and
we're.
Actually
that's
what
we're
looking
for
we're
looking
for
you
to
implement
those
in
a
substantial
way
and
not
by
adding
three
trees
to
what's
currently
required.
I
I'm,
not
seeing
a
level
and
I
know
not
necessarily,
but
this
because
this
is
informal
review.
But
it's
it's.
You
know
we're
seeing
it
kind
of
the
same
way
as
the
other
project
on
the
street
I'm,
not
seeing
a
level
of
detail
on
either
project
or
even
attention
being
paid
to
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
the
streetscape
and
it
may
be
y'all
need
to
bring
another
design
partner
on
on
your
team.
I
To
be
honest,
that
can
it's
got
experience
in
that
that
can
help
you
explore
some
options,
but
it's
it's
just
going
to
be
really
important.
I
G
I
Only
reason
we're
here
I
mean
we
want
to
help.
You
all
make
this
the
best
project
it
can
be,
and
then
lastly
I
know
these
are
separate
projects
and
potentially
separate
llc's
or
whatever,
but
the
the
compound
impact
to
the
storm
water
system,
as
it
goes
to
Patton
Avenue
now,
is
becoming
really
significant
and
the
capability
of
making
a
huge
impact
on
the
city
of
Asheville's
infrastructure.
I
Now,
just
double
and
I
think
that
that's
really
really
important
to
consider
in
the
design
guidelines.
One
of
the
recommendations
is
you
explore
Innovative
and
unique
storm
water
measurement
management.
I
H
I
Runs
along
clingman,
Avenue.
D
I
Oh
I'll,
think
of
it
a
second
but
and
it's
right
there
and
you
know
the
city-
is
down
below
this
property,
now
spending
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
trying
to
repair
a
decayed
stormwater
infrastructure
system
and
if
you
drive
through
the
site,
click
on
patent.
It's
like
a
year-long
project
where
the
taxpayers
of
Asheville
are
having
to
pay
for
an
old
system
just
like
every
other
city
in
the
east
coast.
I
So
I
really
need
to
see
these
things
implemented
in
order
to,
as
as
a
volunteer
person
on
this
committee
representing
other
fellow
downtown
business
owners
other
fellow
Asheville
residents,
in
order
to
say
that
I
can
I
feel
good
about
this
project
and
the
development
team
is
doing
their
best
to
work
with
and
help
and
follow
some
of
the
design
design
guidelines.
I
Otherwise
it's
just
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
a
no-go,
and
it's
it's
really
that
simple.
So
if
you
don't
have
the
guidelines,
clay
can
email
them
to
you,
but
they're
also
getting
redone
next
year.
Hopefully,
so
maybe
you
know
easy,
but
thank.
F
You
thank
you,
yeah
I
want
to
follow
up
on
that
because
we
see
these
projects
come
before
us
every
month
and
what
I'm,
seeing
a
consistent
trend
on
the
types
of
projects
are
downtown
info
projects
like
this
one
somewhere
around
60
to
75,
impervious
existing
going
up
to
95
I
think
this
one's
going
from
70
to
93,
and
so
that's
significant
when
we
only
have
a
little
bit
of
pervious
surface
and
we
already
are
having
the
types
of
problems
that
we're
having
with
our
storm
water
system,
now
we're
we're
contributing
unless
we're,
unless
we're
implementing
other
smart
applications
and
we're
just
continuing
to
contribute
to
an
already
insurmountable
problem.
I
And
last
month
on
a
similar
project
and
y'all
were
here
but
I
think
I
may
have
misunderstood.
Tony
Hauser
the
civil
engineer,
but
I
may
have
misunderstood
his
statement.
But
I
believe
he
made
a
statement
that
North
Carolina
does
not
accept
green
roofs
as
a
An
approved
method
for
managing
storm
water
quality
and
quantity.
I
I
D
I
D
H
D
D
B
D
C
B
You
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
adjourn.