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A
B
I
think
her,
I
think
her
chair
was
having
tech
problems.
She
was
in
the
meeting
and
then
dropped
out,
so
she
might
have
to
restart
her
computer
or
something
oh
there.
She
is
sheriff
you
can,
if
you
can
hear
us,
think
you're
having
some
tech
problems
earlier.
We
are,
we
are
live
with
our
free
meeting.
C
D
For
those
just
a
little
background
on
the
substation
part,
so
the
public
meeting
lineup
was
going
to
be
design
review
ped
on
august,
8th
council
august
23rd
ped
on
august
8th
has
been
canceled
and
we
are
pulling
it
from
our
august
23rd
hearing
at
council.
So
we
may
we'll
have
more
time,
but
hopefully
robin
can
hear
me
because
it
sounds
like
you
may
or
may
not
have
public
comment
today.
D
C
E
Also,
will
we
we
received
a
couple
of
emails.
We
received
one
to
the
downtown
commission
directly
from
friends
of
lexington
avenue,
okay
and
then
several
of
us.
I
don't
know
if
I
forwarded
that
to
you.
I
received
one
from
michael
mcdonough,
so
there's
I've
been
getting
some
kind
of
back
channel
stuff.
Maybe
on
that
I
want
to
make
sure
and
pass
along
I'm
going
to
do
that.
Real
quick,
make
sure
you've
got
that.
C
I
mean
that's
a
good
segue
for
my
question,
while
robin's
trying
to
get
on
that.
I
was
very
interested
to
hear
my
fellow
committee
members
thoughts
on
but
and
yours
will
but
we're
a
design
review
committee
and
I've
gotten
that
email
from
michael
mcdonough
I'm
getting
phone
calls
and
texts
from
all
sorts
of
folks.
C
B
Sure
so
you
know
the
way
I
think
is
to
look
at
it
is
that
your
purview
is
regarding
the
design
and
based
on
the
downtown
design
guidelines,
at
least
for
the,
but
the
formal
review
and
any
reasons
for
supporting
it
or
not
should
be
based
on
the
guidelines.
I
think
for
informal.
B
It
doesn't
have
to
be
as
structured
as
everything
based
on
the
guidelines,
but
it
should
be
about
the
design,
so
it
shouldn't
be
about
whether
you
know
whether
this
is
a
good
idea.
Whether
a
potential
land
spot
should
happen.
That
should
not
be
part
of
the
discussion.
You
know
you
can
say.
B
Maybe
things
about
you
know
the
height
or
some
parameters
of
the
design
or
whatever
some
of
those
things
can't
really
be
moved.
So
it's
more
about.
How
does
the?
How
do
the?
How
do
the
elements
like
the
walls
get
designed
in
a
way?
B
E
And
jeremy,
I
would
say
you
know,
I
think
that's
true
for
for
this.
I
think,
as
the
downtown
commission,
the
my
fellow
members
who
are
members
of
the
downtown
commission,
we
can
speak
directly
to
how
it
fits
in
with
policies
for
the
city
of
asheville,
and
so,
if
you,
my,
my
fellow
members
of
drc,
are
not
on
the
downtown
commission,
but
you've
got
thoughts
on
that.
Send
those
to
us
and
we'll
make
sure
they
get
addressed
when
it
comes
before
us
as
well.
That.
E
She's
she's
in
video,
but
I
don't
think
she's
got
sound.
B
Is
the
calling
option
we've
been
the
number
and
enter
the
the
pin
to
connect
just
by
your
phone
if
you're.
D
Having
microsoft
microphone
issues
I'll
paste
that
into
the
chat
now
google
meet,
has
that
option
too?
B
Right,
you
can
I'll,
have
it
call
you,
you
click
on
the
dots
at
the
bottom
and
then
say
use
a
phone
for
audio.
G
Well,
I'm
probably
following
up
on
jeremy's
comment.
I
came
in
a
little
late.
Sorry
I
just
I
heard
you
say
to
stay
in
the
design
lane
on
what's
proposed
here,
but
wondering
about
the
size
of
the
substation
and
questions
around
like
upgrades
to
the
existing
one.
Would
that
reduce
the
size
and
therefore
the
footprint
and
then
how
that
could
all
be
reorganized
or
arranged?
Is
that
something
we
can
talk
about
today,
or
is
that
more
for
another
committee.
B
I
mean
I
think,
talking
about
the
design
of
the
of
the
proposed
substation
is
fine.
They
might
not
be
able
to
change
the
configuration
of
the
elements.
Necessarily,
I
wouldn't
necessarily
want
to
talking
too
much
about
what,
if
they
redeveloped
the
existing
one
or
what,
if
they
did
this
or
that
they're
not
proposing
that
today,
so
I
would
focus
on
what
they're
proposing
they
might
want
to
give
some
background
about
different
options.
They've
been
pursuing
and
the
pros
and
cons
to
each
one
but
yeah.
C
Kate,
you
know
in
speaking
to
the
size,
question
oftentimes
I
mean.
Obviously
we
look
project
by
project,
but
this
is,
I
believe,
cbd
zoning
and
allows
a
certain
height.
So
I'm
always
asking
myself:
okay.
If
this
is
not
this
project,
what
else
could
go
there
and
if
there's
a
12
story
towering
building
there
that's
allowed
to
be
built
by
right.
C
You
know,
I
always
consider
those
things
as
well.
I'm
sure
you
do
too,
but.
B
This
review
in
the
formal
review.
More
importantly,
that's
like
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance,
so
the
project's
technically
a
level.
It's
a
level
one
project,
you
know
it's
not
a
hotel,
so
it
doesn't
doesn't
need
to
be
to
have
approval.
B
The
project
itself
be
approved
at
a
more
administrative
level,
depending
on
any
variances
that
have
to
go
to
work.
Adjustment
or
whatnot
like
elements
of
the
streetscape.
The
potential
land
swap
would
be
voted
by
city
council.
B
B
E
Well,
it's
not
just
the
streetscape,
it's
the
retaining
wall
and
tree
canopy,
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
they
that
they
do
that
for
and
I'm
not
sure
where
we
plug
into
that
is
drc.
They
have
to
get
a
positive
that
I'm
a
little
unclear
on
that
tree
canopy
and
the
landscape
piece.
E
B
B
C
J
E
B
I'm
robin
since
you
can
hear
us
now.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
you
know
we
did
receive
public
comment
mostly
on
the
I
think,
they're
all
on
the
substation
project.
We
were
not
aware
of
that
until
just
about
half
an
hour
ago,
because
for
some
reason
we
weren't
getting
the
notification
emails
from
our
system,
public
input
system.
B
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
process
them
and
post
them
after
the
meeting
and
they'll
be
available
at
any
point
forward.
Since,
since
the
substation
project
is
an
informal
review,
there's
no
public
comment
associated
with
that.
It's
only
up
to
the
chair's
discretion.
If
they
want
to
take
live
public
comment,
we
we
do
try
to
provide
any
public
comment
ahead
of
time,
even
for
informal
review.
E
But
we're
okay,
you
know
regardless,
but
it'll
be
available
lately
this
afternoon
and
you
can
look
at
it
in
the
meantime.
Prior
to
the
formal
review
of
projects.
E
So
will
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
they're
asking
for
variances
on
street
trees,
tree
canopy
preservation,
the
property
line
buffer
and
the
five
foot
wide
planning
strip
around
the
retaining
wall,
and
I'm
talking
about
the
substation.
Obviously
those
are
the
variances
that
they
are
currently
requesting.
Is
that
correct.
B
A
I
B
B
I
mean
I
don't
know.
Maybe
at
the
end
of
the
committee's
discussion
of
the
of
the
item,
there
are
two
informal
items:
the
the
micro
housing
project
at
aston.
F
Street
has
asked
to
be
postponed,
so
I
think
folks
saw
that
so
we
won't
be
holding
the
informal
review
for
that.
F
The
the
variances
are
listed
on
one
of
their
on
the
on
one
of
their
documents:
street
trees,
tree
canopy,
preservation,
buffer
property
line
buffer
and
the
five
foot
planning
strip.
A
D
I
E
Robin
this
is
the
rankin
substation.
J
Good
afternoon
I'm
robin
raines,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
july
21st
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine-person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
the
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design,
review
areas,
downtown
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel.
K
J
Zoning
district:
this
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process
with
one
exception
and
that's
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
committee,
all
committee
members
and
staff
for
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience.
J
We
are
streaming
live
on
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
youtube
channel.
J
J
Please
remember
to
mute
your
microphone
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
catherine
and
kaya
hello,
christina
boor,
hi,
hi,
kimberly
hunter.
L
L
J
And
vice
chair,
jeremy,
goldstein.
M
J
Hello,
hey
now
we'll
move
on
to
our
agenda
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
If
there's
a
vote
to
be
taken.
Additionally,
I
will
ask
that
committee
members
raise
their
hand
to
speak
and
I
will
call
upon
them.
We
will
begin
with
our
administrative
items
and.
J
J
Second,
okay,
thanks:
I
will
do
the
roll
call
vote.
Catherine
hi,
christina
hi,
stephen
lee.
N
J
N
J
H
J
B
B
B
All
right,
this
is
a
review
for
an
exterior
rehabilitation
of
an
existing
building
located
at
58
north
lexington
avenue,
it's
relatively
minor
small
scale
project.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
technically
a
major
work,
but
one
of
those
projects
that
is
kind
of
about
what
staff
can
administratively
approve.
B
So
I
wanted
to
bring
it
all
to
the
committee
for
your
pre-review
here
today,
so
this
project
at
58,
north
lexington,
the
property
itself,
consists
of
two
existing
two
and
three-story
buildings
with
a
mix
of
uses
and
ground
for
commercial.
B
The
proposed
work
is
to
the
existing
two-story
building
located
on
the
north
side
of
the
property.
It
includes
an
installation
of
a
new
storefront
entrance
along
the
property
line,
replacement
of
the
storefront
windows,
recycling
at
the
front
of
the
building
and
repainting
of
the
building's
exterior.
B
B
The
new
storefront
windows
on
either
side
will
consist
of
two
sets
of
tempered
glass
panels
with
aluminum
three-grade
structure
spaced
about
five
feet
apart
with
fixed
transoms,
and
the
proposed
storefront
windows
will
pretty
much
mirror
the
adjacent
building
to
the
south
at
the
three-story
building
on
the
same
property.
B
There,
a
project
is
supported
by
a
number
of
the
guidelines
that
the
downtown
design
guideline
document,
including
and
establishing
a
zero
front
setback
from
the
right-of-way,
with
festered
entrances
on
the
frontage
line,
especially
on
key
pedestrian
streets,
traditional
facade
components
being
incorporated
into
the
design,
the
appropriate
scale
and
consideration
of
ratios
and
proportions
of
solids
in
between
doors
and
windows
or
storefronts
and
doors
storefronts
being
developed
as
panels
made
of
glass
non-mason
materials
that
fill
the
facade
between
the
buildings,
structural
columns
and
lentils.
B
Therefore,
staff
supports
the
proposed
exterior
rehabilitation
at
58.
North
lexington
avenue
recommends
approval,
as
the
project
is
in
alignment
with
requirements
and
guidelines,
but
to
answer
any
questions,
then
we
also
have
the
applicant
dave
brown
in
the
meeting
with
us.
If
there
are
any
questions
for
him.
O
The
architect
is
also
emily
mcmahon.
I'm
also
here
for
any
questions.
One
thing
I
would
note
is
this:
was
the
permit
set
we've
been
working
directly
for
tax
credits,
so
we've
actually
modified
the
transcends
and
the
doors
to
be
actually
more
like
the
original
storefront,
so
it
even
is
more
historically
accurate.
Now,
based
on
that,
but
it's
it's
basically
still
this
it's
three
bays
with
a
transom.
We
just
have
an
eight
foot
door,
now,
no
side
light
as
the
basic
changes.
F
A
couple
of
questions
it
looks
like
you
know
the
the
elevations
say:
stucco
is
that
are
we
talking
about
real
stuff
or
are
we
talking
about
a
dafs,
and
I
see
that
in
one
of
the
wall
or
in
the
wall
section
there's
a
reference
to
styrofoam.
So
that
sounds
like
ephes
to
me
and
I
thought
ethis
was
not
allowed
downtown
on
first
floor
on
the
first
floor
buildings
and
to
that
you
know
to
that
point.
If
it's
like
a
dafs
system
without
the
styrofoam
is
that
okay,
at
the
first
floor
of
buildings,.
F
B
Sure
yeah,
I
know
synthetic
materials
like
evis
are
discouraged
in
the
downtown
pipelines.
Can
yeah
architect.
O
Yes,
we
have
about
a
4
inch
strip
that
we
have
to
fill
in.
The
existing
is
all
is
already
stucco
the
we
had
done
the
styrofoam
to
help
her
it
out
to
make
it
match
just
for
the
depth,
but
it
it
can
be
done
differently.
O
Like
I
said,
the
stucco
is
already
there,
so
we're
just
matching
existing
for
some
reason:
there's
a
weird
four
inch
gap
where
there's
a
and
we're
just
filling
that
in
to
make
it
all
flush
again.
So
it's
really
just
an
infill
construction
and
it
can
be
whatever
it
needs
to
be
to
support
the
stucco.
O
F
Yes,
I
mean
I,
I
would
definitely
discourage
using
foam
the
styrofoam
at
that
level
just
from
a
from
a
practical
perspective,
but
you
know
that
my
question
is
also
to
design
guidelines
the
guidelines
themselves.
You
know,
if
it's
a
you
know
the
does
the
does
that
dafs
I
mean
when
you
I'm
sorry.
The
question
to
the
architect
is
is
so
you
are
using
you're,
not
using
a
dafs
you're
using
like
a
cementitious
stoko
traditional.
O
F
J
O
Yes,
the
door
is
now
eight
feet
tall
and
is
slid
to
the
right
and
those
panels.
The
the
transom
is
now
at
the
height
of
where
the
eight
foot
door
is
so
there's
not
this
double
transom
over
the
door.
O
So
it's
just
one
one
transom
all
the
way
across
it's
a
little
larger
than
shown
kind
of
split
the
difference
of
what's
there
and
yes,
this
sidelight's
gone
because
the
door
slid
over.
J
Okay,
do
we
have
any
public
comments?
J
A
B
J
B
J
F
J
Jeremy
hi-
and
I
am
an
I
that
project
is
approved
and
we
will
move
on
to
the
informal
design
review.
First
up
on
informal
design
review.
We
have
57
rankin
street,
the
rankin
street
substation
a
level
one.
B
Thank
you
for
a
minute
there
chair.
I
will
be
showing
my
screen
with
the
plans
and
the
presentation
at.
L
L
I
I
I
I
I
just
want
to
introduce
myself,
I'm
brian
lowther,
I'm
in
substation
engineering
with
duke
energy,
and
my
role
is
to
help
with
the
site,
design
and
permitting,
and
so
we
have
a
team
to
help
help
with
that,
and
we
have
a
consultant
at
mcadams
as
well
as
designers,
to
do
the
the
physical
substation
design,
and
so
patrick
cool
is
also
on
so
he'll
go
over
the
renderings
and
I
was
going
to
share
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
the
project
history
and
then
show
the
preliminary
site
plan
and
then
show
the
renderings.
I
I
L
D
K
D
E
D
I
Right
and
we
don't-
we
have
enclosures
for
the
you-
know:
control
enclosure
and
switchgear,
but
we
they're
not
considered
dwelling.
So
we
figured.
We
were
under
that
20-foot
threshold.
I
A
I
I
It's
a
background
on
on
the
we
have
an
agreement
with
the
city
of
asheville,
with
a
duke
energy
to
enter
and
a
memo
of
understanding
and
right
of
entry
agreement,
and
that
was
in
september
2021
to
explore
the
opportunities
to
do
a
property
transaction
and
that's
why
we're
highlighting
these
the
green
and
then
the
blue.
That's
those
those
properties,
the
property
transaction,
would
transition
57,
rankin
avenue
from
the
city
to
the
to
duke
energy
and
moving
the
vanderbilt
substation
from
72
rake
inhabited
to
57
rankin
avenue.
I
So
we
we
are
in
the
design
process
in
order
to
figure
out
if
we,
this
property
is
viable
and
and
it's
feasible
to
build
on
and
we're
we're
in
the
the
design
of
the
substation,
as
well
as
the
site
and
and
trying
to
figure
all
that
out,
and
so
that's
what
we're
going
to
present
today.
A
I
Prepared
and
that
currently
we
have
renderings
and
that's
been
helpful
in
the
process,
and
we
have.
We
show
multiple
options
to
initiate
the
conversation
they're
in
a
preliminary
state,
so
we're
trying
to
facilitate
the
the
best
option
for
the
neighboring
properties
and
then
aesthetics
and
all
that.
So
so
that's
why
we
provide
multiple
renderings.
We
have
landscape
plants
to
support
that.
I
We
have
two
options:
that
kind
of
show
the
we're
trying
to
meet
the
setbacks
for
the
retaining
wall,
and
then
it
gets
two
different
options
for
that
and
depending
on
how
we,
how
high
the
their
chain
wall
is,
and
then
we
also
have
a
75
site
plan
that
we
kind
of
shows
where
the
equipment
is
the
retaining
wall
and.
A
I
I
It
shows
the
parking
lot
property
that
and
we're
proposing
a
retaining
wall,
surround
three
three
sides
of
it
and
then,
but
you
also
can
see
the
layout
of
the
transmission
lines
coming
in.
We
have
the
two
transformers
in
the
middle.
We
have
a
control
enclosure
we'll
have
oil
containment,
so
that's
kind
of
what
we're
showing
in
this
and
then
it
shows
the
setbacks.
We
have
the
five
feet
from
the
the
properties
on
the
right
side
of
the
page
and
then
we're
set
back
a
little
further
on
the
the
south
side.
I
So
in
general
we're
just
going
to
kind
of
give
a
quick
overview
and
then
I
was
going
to
let
patrick
cover
for
mcadams
who's,
helping
they've
prepared
some
renderings.
That
have
been
helpful.
So
if
you
want
to
go
through
those
patrick.
A
P
Okay,
so
we
have.
P
For
several
different
perspectives
of
the
proposed
substation-
there's
quite
a
few
slides
here,
so
I
might
go
quickly
through
them,
but
stop
if
you
want
to
take
a
look
or
discuss
anything.
P
P
P
So
the
way
the
options
are
are
split
up.
We
we
looked
at
having
a
wall
that
ties
into
the
existing
slope
at
the
property
line,
which
is
this
one,
and
it
keeps
that
existing
slope
and
also
we
looked
at
different
finishes
for
the
screen
wall.
P
P
That's
the
part,
that's
actually
retaining
soil
and
then
the
kind
of
little
lighter
part
about
that
is
the
the
screening
and
also
security
wall
for
the
substation,
and
that's
where
we
looked
at
a
couple
of
different
options
for
finishes.
So
this.
K
I
No
it
it's
it's
right
on
top
of
the
so
we
have
a
retaining
wall,
and
then
we
have
a
screen
wall
that
we
that's
protects
the
substation
and
that's
currently.
Usually,
we
have
a
like
a
chain-link
fence
with
barbed
wire,
but
in
this
case
we
have
to
have
a
taller
non-conductive
wall,
and
so
that's
10
feet
and
it's
right
on
top
of
the
retaining
wall
and
surround
the
whole
substation.
P
P
Next
slide
here,
so
this
is
the
option:
it's
the
same
screen,
wall
security
wall,
but
the
retaining
wall
is
extended
downward
and
the
existing
slope
between
the
property
line
and
that
gravel
lots
removed.
Of
course,
in
this
option
there
we
have
to
have
coordination
with
the
adjacent
property
owners
to
obtain
permission,
to
remove
that
slope.
P
I
P
A
P
A
P
Thank
you,
and
the
next
perspective
is
from
rankin
avenue.
Looking
west
there's
an
existing
the
site
is
about
where
that
person
is
standing.
Is
the
the
near
side
of
the
site
there's
an
existing
retaining
wall
there
and
then
our
next
slide
will
show
proposed
retaining
wall
and
screening
wall
in
that
location,
same
four
options.
Just
from
this
perspective,.
P
Stone
well
two
options,
so
there's
a
stone
finish
there
on
the
on
the
screen
wall
and
then
previous
was
metal
they're
on
this
on
this
side,
there's
we're
we're
tying
in
just
back
of
an
existing
retaining
wall.
So
there's
only
there's
two
possibilities
here:.
A
P
And
now
same
direction,
but
looking
but
moving
farther
along
the
street,
we'll
see
screen
walls
and
proposed
gate.
This
is
one.
M
P
Is
the
this
stone
with
the
gate
and
to
the
right
just
simulating
what
that's
the
existing
substation
to
the
right
that
if,
if
approved
that
land
swap
in
this
project,
move
forward
could
be,
there
could
be
some
development
there.
So
just
illustrating
that
something
may
occur
on
that
site.
Q
You
have
two
questions
and
apologize.
If
you
already
mentioned
this,
but
you
keep
saying
screen
wall
is
that
transparent
or
opaque.
Q
I
I
We're
working
with
some
vendors
to
try
to
figure
that
out
the
the
final
product.
One
is
one
vendor
we're
working
on
with
this
vanquish
and
it's
a
non-conductive
material
I'll
have
to
look
into
exactly
where
it
is,
but.
Q
And
then
are
there
any
like
designers
or
consultants
that
you've
worked
with
on
this
project
designer
for
the
project
in
general
and
then
like
consultants
for
the
vine
walls
or.
Q
Just
consultants
for
the
green
wall
for
maintaining
that
or
for
the
design
of
that
or
any
architects
or
designers
involved
on
the
project
in
general.
I
Yeah
we
have
a
project
team,
that's
that's
helping
us
and
so
mcadams
is
doing
the
site.
Design
and
they've
helped
with
the
renderings.
That
includes
the
landscape
plans.
We've
submitted
two
of
those
and
they
just
support
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
rain
and
the
renderings,
and
then
we
have
a
consult
to
help
with
the
retaining
wall,
design
and
then
there's
there's
actually
another
consultant.
That's
working
on
some
of
the
the
substation
design
parts.
So.
H
We've
all
gone
through
these
images
and
I
guess
just
to
kind
of
carry
on.
I
think
what
christina
was
trying
to
say
or
was
beginning
to
discuss,
and
I
guess
just
to
be
really
blunt.
You
know
christina
was
asking
if
there
was
designer
that
was
on
board,
and
I
think
that
what
we're
all
interested
in
is
perhaps
seeing
an
approach
to
this
that
actually
has
some
design
attached
to
it.
H
Like
they're,
like
from
an
architect
all
of
us
that
live
and
work
here
in
downtown
asheville
know
that
this
is
beside,
probably
well
lexington
avenue
and
will
be
viewed
from
lexington
avenue,
which
is
perhaps
one
of
the
most
creative
unique
artistic,
diverse
pedestrian
streets
in
the
united
states.
So
if
you're
not
from
asheville,
you
may
not
know
that,
but
this
street
is,
is
the
kind
of
street
that
people
from
all
over
the
world
visit
and
try
to
recreate
in
their
own
towns
and
in
cities
much
larger
than
asheville,
but
these
wall
systems.
H
That,
first
of
all,
I
I'm
very
grateful
that
the
the
presentation
includes
such
realistic
well
thought
out
perspectives.
This
is
really
helping
us
understand
the
scale
and
scope
of
this,
and
we
all
realize
I
realize
that
this
is
a
necessary
thing
that
we
all
have
to
have
downtown,
but
these
walls
look
like
what
we'd
see
as
sound
barriers
on
the
side
of
the
interstate
there's,
no
there's
no
design
we're
not
talking
about
structural
design,
we're
talking
about
artistic
design
so
to
to
have
this
set
downtown.
H
I
think
duke
may
be
missing
a
really
interesting
opportunity
to
do
something
that
could
be
incredibly
artistic
and
playful,
and
I
know
that
I'm
gonna
leave
my
comment
at
that,
and
I
know
that
several
other
committee
members
are
going
to
have
comments
as
well.
Thank
you.
J
E
I
was
just
going
to
say
before
we
tear
into
them,
let
I
think
I
think
they've
done
through
going
through
kind
of
the
basis,
and
we
I
very
much
appreciate
you
know
you
guys
providing
the
the
essentials
of
of
what
you're
doing.
I
think
we
should
probably
go
ahead
and
do
public
comment,
maybe
and
then,
and
then
the
design
t
the
the
drc
can
can
can
weigh
in
with
any
other
comments.
Does
that
suit?
Everybody.
B
I
was
gonna
suggest
if
we
finish
the
the
slides.
If
the
members
want
to
see
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
First,.
E
Okay,
yeah
and
then
and
then
do
public
comment
and
because
I
would
really
I've
got
a
lot
to
say
I
know
ricardo
does.
I
know
robin
does
I'm.
This
is
gonna,
be
fun.
Let's
go.
E
P
So
this
is
the
other
entrance,
the
the
two
wall
options
and
a
sliding
gate
here
to
allow
maintenance
vehicles
into
the
substation.
And
that's
that's
the
second
finishing
there.
P
And
then
same
general
location,
different
perspective,
metal
wall,
then
the
stone
veneer.
P
A
L
J
If
we'd
like
to
make
a
comment,
press.
L
N
This
is
scott
fowler
with
friends
of
lexington
avenue.
I
have
a
few
questions.
This
is
a
structure.
There
is
a
slab
I'd
like
to
know
the
square
footage
of
the
slab.
I
Yeah,
are
you
referring
to
the
like
the
control
enclosure
and
the
switch
gear
build
enclosure
that
we
have.
D
N
We
know
that
design
review
is
mandatory
and
compliance
is
somewhat
voluntary,
but
we,
the
city
of
asheville
own
this
property
and
therefore
your
comments
matter.
Second
of
all,
I
would
like
duke
to
show
a
better
rendering
of
the
impact
on
the
streetscapes
of
both
rankin
and
north
lexington
and
the
broader
downtown
area.
Right
now,
all
you
see
is
close-ups
and
it's
very
disorient.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
J
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
else
in
the
caller
queue.
L
J
Okay,
thank
you.
Brian.
E
And
I'll
go,
I'm
gonna
tag
on
to
what
christina
I
think
was
getting
to
and
where
stephen
lee
johnson
was
going
so
a
duke
team.
What
we're
looking
for
is
an
actual
design
of
looking
at
this,
not
as
okay.
We
know
we've
got
to
put
these
equipment
here
and
then
we
know
we've
got
to
screen
it,
but
I
want
to
design.
I
want
it
to
be
it's
its
own
thing
and
so
look
at,
I
think,
christina
posted
the
the.
I
think
it's
the
denny
substation
in
seattle.
E
Obviously
this
is
nowhere
near
that
big.
I
think
that
one
even
incorporated
some
public-facing
retail
or
something
but
there's
a
there's-
a
ton
of.
E
Built
works
that
you
can
look
at.
I
know
some
of
them
are
indoor
works,
but
some
of
them
are
just
exterior
pieces.
You
know
where,
where
they
really
designed
it
as
a
piece
and
they
really
thought
about
it
as
not
just
we're
just
you
know,
sticking
a
wall
around
a
substation,
but
they
really
designed
it
as
a.
This
is
an
artifact
that
people
are
going
to
engage
with
as
they
walk
around
and
so
we're
looking
for
for
for
that
level
of
of
of
thought
and
attention
to
detail.
E
Maybe
it's
it's
a
really
thoughtful.
Maybe
it's
artistic!
Maybe
it's
whimsical,
I
don't
know,
but
what
you've
got
right
here
is
not
going
to
receive
a
favorable,
a
favorable
review
by
this
committee
based
on
what
you're
seeing
and
it's
not
it's,
not
about.
Okay,
do
we
change
it?
Do
we
change
the
stone?
Do
we
change
this
to
steel
that
that's
not
even
you're,
not
that
if
you're,
that's
what
you're
hearing
then
that
I'm
not
communicating?
Well,
I'm
looking
for
an
entire
design.
E
Let's
look
at
this
thing
as
an
artifact
as
an
object
in
an
urban
environment
and
think
about
how
people
relate
to
it.
What
are
they
looking
at?
What
is
it
communicating
and
go
from
theirs?
So
we
can.
We
can
expand
on
that.
If
you'd
like
to,
we
can
go
into
some.
You
know
precedence
and
go
from
there,
but
I'll.
Let
my
other
commissioner
speak.
J
D
Sure
just
a
couple
things
I'd
like
to
ask
and
they
can
be
rolled
into
a
list
of
answers
as
we
get
through
public
questions
from
the
committee.
I
was
part
of
the
review
of
the
substation
over
on
clingman
avenue
and
patton,
and
it
was
the
first
gas
insulated
in
the
state.
I
believe
I'd
like
to
hear
feedback
on.
Why
that's
not
an
option
here.
D
I've
heard
various
things
like
that
particular
model
requires
more
square
footage,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
true
or
if
I've
just
heard
that
I
would
like
to
know
if
so
the
tree
protection
ordinance
when
it
comes
into
play.
Part
of
it
was
having
the
tree
species
identified
that
were
on
site,
I'm
wondering
if
that
is
done
like
when
I
look
at
that
hillside.
Am
I
looking
at
40
weeds
that
grew
into
trees
or
they're
12
good
trees?
D
I
really
am
not
aware
other
than
having
to
go
personally
look
at
trees,
so
I'm
wondering
if
that
exists,
and
then
from
the
duke
folks.
If
is
there
a
height
restrict
like
these
retaining
walls
and
walls
around
this?
Can
they
be
taller?
Is
there
some
reason
for
your
structure
that
they
can't?
I
mean
particularly
this
view
we're
looking
at.
J
Thank
you,
ricardo.
F
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
kind
of
tag
along
to
behind
what
brian
said
he
he
talked
about
the
way
that
people
interact
with
this,
the
the
way
that
people
look
at
it
the
people,
the
way
people
see
it.
You
know,
I
absolutely
agree
with
everything.
That's
been
said
so
far
it
it's
it's.
It
looks
it's
it's
just
a
box
with
very
tall
walls
with
no
design
thought
whatsoever.
F
I
would
you
know
I
would
make
suggestions
like
you
know.
If,
if
you're,
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
it
if
it
matters
to
the
to
the
to
the
operation
of
the
facility
itself,
but
as
far
as
like
the
screen
walls,
if
we're
just
trying
to
block
things
out,
you
know
we're
also
blocking
out
the
sky.
You
know
you
can
incorporate
openings
into
that
and
the
trade-off
between
showing
a
little
bit
more
of
the
equipment
and
a
lot
more
of
the
sky.
You
know,
I
think,
is
valuable.
F
I
would
also
suggest
looking
at
you
know
it.
You
know
in
a
way
it
makes
me
think
of
a
fortress,
but
I've
seen
fortresses
that
are
beautiful
and
very
interesting.
You
know,
and
you
know
that
work
with
the
with
the
landscape-
you
know,
there's
an
albert,
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
here
to
create
almost
like
a
like
a
promenade
between
it
and
the
and
the
parking
lot
below
and
it
becomes
a
you
know,
a
connection
between
the
two
between
the
two
streets
between
like
lexington
and
rankin.
F
You
know
creates
an
opportunity
to
you
know
to
create
public
space
where
people
can
actually,
you
know,
be,
you
know,
move
through
it
and
be
you
know,
you
know,
live
in
it
interact.
I
know
that
it
sounds
like
an
odd
thing.
Next
to
a
powers,
you
know
the
substation,
but
at
the
same
time
it
is
in
the
middle
of
the
city,
and
you
know
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
there,
because
it
also
allows
you
to
break
up.
You
know
you
know,
create
levels.
You
know
create
depth.
F
You
know
as
as
we're
looking
up
at
this
thing.
I
do
appreciate
the
the
realism
of
the
of
the
of
the
perspectives
and
the
renderings.
I
agree
that
we
should
probably
you
know,
see
it
from
a
little
bit
farther
as
the
caller
suggested,
but
I
do
appreciate
that
you
guys
just
presented
this
straight
up
and
not
not
really
trying
to
sugarcoat
I
you
know
the
vegetation
looks
like
it's
shown
in
the
winter,
mostly
in
the
winter,
whereas
you
know
the
renderings,
you
know
have
ivy
growing
on
them,
and
things
like
that.
F
So
you
know
I
don't.
I
don't
know
how
that
how
that
plays
out,
but
I
think
that
the
the
the
massiveness
of
this
and
and
how
solid
it
is
and
how
there
there's
really
just
one
plane
to
this
there's
no
depth,
there's
no
articulation,
there's
no
engagement,
the
as
far
as
the
materials.
You
know,
the
the
one
that
looks
it's
made
to
look
like
stone
almost
looks
like
like
a
indiana
limestone
which
isn't
really
something
we
see
around
here.
F
J
Thank
you.
This
is
a
google
meet
question,
but
brian
and
patrick,
can
you
guys
see
the
chat?
There
are
four
good
examples
that
christina
and
brian
put
on
the
chat,
and
maybe
that
will
help
explain
more
than
words
to
what
we're
talking
about.
I
mean
I
just
think
if
this
were
more
exciting,
if
there
was
a
little
more
going
on
a
little
less
repetition,
and
I
think
that
all
four
of
these
examples
are
are.
M
J
To
look
at,
they
may
not
be
the
same
scale
or
size,
but
it's
it's.
It
explains
what
we're
talking
about
with
some
images
that
you
can
show
your
team,
so
those
would
be
good
to
tab
and
save.
H
Just
to
kind
of
summarize,
too,
I
think
what
we're
asking
for
is:
there
needs
to
be
another
design
team
member
added
to
the
team.
This
is
this
is
specifically
a
design
task
that
is
going
to
need
to
be
done
by
an
architect
in
order
for
us
to
begin
to
see
something
that
we
could
vote
in
favor
of
so
currently
that
that
team
member
does
not
appear
to
be
present.
So
just
to
be
clear
about
that.
Thank
you.
J
L
L
R
Hello,
this
is
michael,
rich
and
I
am
concerned
about
the
removal
of
the
canopy
which
is
beautiful
in
the
summer
and
provides
a
lot
of
cooling.
In
addition,
I
feel
that
the
whole
project
is
way
way
out
of
scale
for
lower
lexington,
which
was
awarded
one
of
the
great
streets
in
america
by
the
american
planning
association.
R
R
I
fear
that
it
would
really
turn
all
of
lexington
from
one
of
the
most
beautiful
of
american
landscapes
into
the
grimace
of
urban
landscapes,
and
my
concern
also,
is
that
not
only
would
this
project
be
visible
from
across
the
street
in
lexington,
but
it
would
be
visible
from
newly
constructed
hotels
and
condominiums
all
over
the
city,
especially
broadway.
This
area
is
just
two
blocks
from
downtown,
and
yet
there
is
no
perspective
of
what
it
looks
like
from
downtown
or
other
areas
in
asheville,
and
what
about
its
appearance
and
night?
R
R
Otherwise,
you
know,
asheville
is
not
a
medieval
town
with
a
fortress
and
fortresses,
don't
have
wires
and
large
transformers
coming
out
of
them.
I
respect
the
need
for
this
project,
but
I
fear
it
really
places
the
beauty
of
all
of
asheville
in
jeopardy,
and
I
would
urge
the
committee
to
recommend
that
the
substation
be
located
in
its
current
location
or
elsewhere.
J
L
Hi
caller,
if
you
can,
can
you
hear
us
or
well?
If
you
can
hear
us
just
state
your
name
and
it
should
be
giving
you
instructions.
I
don't
know,
looks
like
they're
connected,
but
I
don't
know
if
they're
having
trouble
speaking
my.
M
Name
is
michael
mcdonough.
Can
you
hear
me
yeah
sorry?
My
name
is
mike
mcdonough
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
comment
that
this
is
probably
a
feasibility
study.
It
doesn't
look
like
it
was
kind
of
fully
designed.
So
as
a
as
a
feasibility
study,
a
couple
things
are
kind
of
missing.
M
I
guess
the
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
of
rankin
as
the
applicant
may
know
that
there's
been
some
improvements
to
some
buildings
to
the
south,
so
rankin
is
beginning
to
come
alive
and
the
sidewalk
is
much
deeper
to
the
south
and
given
the
existing
power
station
and
the
parking
garage
to
the
west
side,
rankin,
that's
not
a
great
pedestrian
side
of
the
road.
So
we
really
need
this,
this
east
side
of
rankin
to
to
come
alive
as
it
moves
north.
The
renderings
show
very
narrow,
sidewalk
those
three
trees.
M
So
one
question
would
be
if
you
were
to
make
room
for
a
viable
sidewalk
as
for
guidelines
and
some
street
trees,
would
that
make
this
site
unviable
and
some
other
questions
about
the
trees
on
the
downhill
side
to
the
east.
It's
not
clear
whether
those
trees
are
on
this
site
or
are
they
on
the
adjacent
side?
So
it'd
be
helpful
if
there's
a
little
bit
more
information
about
where
the
property
line
is
relative
to
the
slope
and
the
trees
and
I'll
reiterate,
sage's
comment
about
the
gas
insulated
solution.
M
Why
wasn't
that
explored
and
also
exploring
recessing
the
the
equipment
platform
below
rankin
to
just
drop
the
height
of
everything
down,
and
it
looks
like
there's
a
an
apron
allowing
b
truck
access
onto
the
site,
so
maybe
that
could
happen
off
of
hiawassee
or
something
so
this
can
set
well
below
3..
I
Yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
think
I'm
the
best
person
to
speak
on
that
for
their
two
separate
projects
that
we've
been
focused
on
how
to
how
to
build
on
this
site.
So
I'm
sure
someone
can
follow
up
on
that.
A
D
J
Do
do
we
want
to
hear
from
jason
or
what
is
your
plan
moving
forward?
Another
informal
review.
I
Yes,
I
mean
we're
going
to
take
this
feedback
and
try
to
figure
out
what
the
next
steps
are.
Initially,
we
weren't
thinking
another
informal
review.
I
was
I'd,
have
to
kind
of
get
back
with
the
project
team
to
see
if
that's
the
best
step,
so
so
we're
going
to
take
this
feedback
and
we
really
appreciate
it
and
then
and
figure
out
the
next
steps.
So
there
you
go.
D
With
that
in
mind,
our
design
review
body
and
I'm
the
city
councilor
on
this
liaison-
and
this
is
outside
design
brian-
I'm
going
to
encourage
you
to
take
their
feedback
also
to
reach
out
to
city
councilors
as
early
as
you
can,
because
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
kickback
and
a
lot
of
concerns,
particularly
around
trees,
buffer
destructivity,
how
it
looks
from
every
angle
not
being
able
to
get
those
zoomed
out
angles.
And
I
don't
I'm
not
getting
a
lot
of
positive
feedback.
So
I'm
sending
the
warning
signals
and
everyone
please.
G
Catherine
yeah,
thank
you
all.
I
I
think
one
thing
that
would
be
really
helpful
for
me
is:
I
have
not
designed
a
substation
before,
and
so
I
know
that
there
are
probably
some
pretty
basic
requirements
in
terms
of
vegetation
offset.
I
assume
and
heights
of
things,
and
it
would
be
good
to
know
what,
like
the
basic
requirements
are.
So
then,
when
we're
evaluating
the
design,
we're
offering
suggestions
that
are
realistic,.
F
That's
a
great
point,
catherine.
I
just
wanted
to
just
to
mention
that
when
you
guys
are
doing
the
zoomed
out
views,
you
know
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
this
from
you
know
eye
level
at
street
level.
You
know
don't
do
like
aerial
views,
because
that
doesn't
matter
just
make
sure
that
we're
seeing
it
the
way
that
the
public
is
going
to
see
it
from
from
the
street.
J
I
think
it
would
probably
be
best
if
you
guys
come
back
for
another
informal
review,
but
I
think
that'd
be
the
best
way
forward
for
this
project.
But
that's
my
opinion.
J
B
K
B
I'm
already
I
have
the
the
site
plan,
the
elevations
and
the
conceptual
renderings
just
direct
me
to
what
you'd
like
to
speak
to.
K
So
I'll
be
doing
the
presentation
for
the
site
and
the
renderings
that
we're
looking
for
to
get
some
feedback
on.
Could
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
because
I
have
a
larger.
B
Which
also
how
these
conceptual
renderings
there.
K
You
go
this
one
okay,
so
the
site
right
now
sits
on
46
aston
and
currently
it's
a
l-shaped
single
lot
on
the
north.
You
see
aston
and
on
the
south,
you
see
you
have
sawyer
street
we're
kind
of
in
the
center
of
the
of
the
block.
So
we
have
an
adjacent
property
on
the
right
side
and
beyond
that
we'll
have
church
street
and
on
the
west
side
we
have
another
adjoining
lot.
K
I
think
it's
owned
by
the
city
as
well,
and
then
beyond
that
we
have
cox
avenue.
Our
client
right
now
is
looking
to
subdivide
this
lot
into
three
parcels.
K
K
K
Could
you
go
to
the
next
slide
please
and
they
should
be
their
renderings
yeah,
so
on
the
is.
Are
you
able
to
zoom
in
to
some
of
these
images?
So
you
see
a
lot
more.
Can
you
zoom
in
to
the
left
side,
image.
K
So
this
is
yeah.
This
is
the
front
facade
of
of
the
building
on
aston
and
we're
seeing
three
you're
seeing
three
different
materials
here
representing
the
different
shades
of
color.
So
the
dark
gray
color
would
be
a
a
dark,
color,
brick,
so
we're
proposing
using
that
on
the
bottom
three
stories
on
the
left
side
as
it
moves
towards
the
right,
then
it
extends
up
to
the
sixth
story.
K
On
the
left
side
we
have
that
light
gray,
color
and
we've
played
a
pattern
with
the
windows
and
the
shading
of
that
color,
and
that
would
be
siding,
most
likely
fibers
mentality.
K
K
Okay,
this
is
on
the
left
side.
On
the
background
you
see
that
corner
of
aston
and
you
see
that
tall
brick
wrapping
around
the
corner
to
wrap
around
the
whole
corner
and
then
beyond
that
on
the
right
side
is
more
of
the
housing
or
residential
wall
with
sunshades
and
the
fiber
cement
siding
again
again
we're
using
the
metal
panel
to
break
up
that
brick,
facade
and
tall
windows
will
provide
light
to
this.
Some
of
these
are
common
areas
on
the
corner
on
the
foreground.
K
We
have
that
existing
one-story
building
that
is
currently
on
the
site.
Our
client
is
looking
to
enhance
the
exterior
basically,
but
leave
it
as
a
brick
building
at
the
moment,
we're
going
to
replace
windows
and
doors
provide
most
likely
new
storefront
on
the
bit
larger
openings
and
clean
up
that
existing
break,
possibly
provide
paint
for
it.
We
will
get
more
information
on
the
specific
colors
of
that
project.
K
Once
there's
a
tenant
schedule
to
go
into
that
space,
the
interior
work
will
be
done
by
the
tenant
and
on
the
background
on
this
image,
you
see
the
back
side
of
the
other
new
building
that
we're
proposing
for
since
sawyer
street,
we
are
using
similar
materials
on
both
buildings,
even
though
they
are
independent
buildings,
we
are
trying
to
link
them
with
the
use
of
of
some
of
the
small
materials
material.
K
So,
on
the
right
side,
you
have
that
reddish
orange
color,
which
represents
metal
cladding
and
on
the
left
side,
it's
the
the
horse,
the
lighter
gray,
horizontal
siding.
K
Okay-
and
this
is
also
an
ass
on
the
awesome
building
looking
on
the
opposite
corner,
so
you
see
that
three-story
base
of
brick
that
was
on
the
front
of
aston
rubbing
around
that
little
corner
and
died
into
that
a
tall
stair
tower
because
of
the
proximity
to
the
property
line.
K
There
we
weren't
allowed
to
do
any
openings,
so
we're
playing
we're
having
a
pattern
with
different
color
brick
to
to
break
up
that
facade,
left
of
that
it's
a
again
a
residential,
a
wall
facing
residential
units
and
so
we're
using
metal
preferred
metal
panels
to
create
that
sun
shades
on
the
windows
and
again
using
that
metal
cladding
on
this
face.
K
So
these
two
buildings,
or
these
two
images,
show
of
the
at
this:
the
new
building
facing
sawyer
on
this
top
image
on
the
corner.
It's
the
entry
and
you
can
see
that
by
the
amount
of
storefront
being
used
that
we're
also
using
that
on
aston
and
and
gives
access
to
that
that
lobby
we
are
using
again
the
dark,
gray
material
material
for
a
brick
on
the
base
of
the
building
and,
above
that,
on
that
corner,
we're
using
a
metal
cladding
as
well,
but
in
a
darker
gray,
color.
K
On
the
left
side,
we
have
that
reddish
orange
again
connecting
the
two
buildings,
but
using
metal
cladding
on
this
side
on
the
top
you
have
of
that
corner.
We
see
that
canopy
on
the
corner,
and
that
is
the
exterior
terrace
for
the
residents
use
on
the
right
side
of
this
image,
and
this
this
face
will
be
facing
sawyer.
K
It's
the
we're
using
the
horizontal
cider
siding,
I'm
sorry
in
a
light,
gray
color
and
we
have
metal,
perforated,
metal,
sun
shades
for
these
windows
and
if
you
could
go
to
the
last
image
at
least
just
giving
you
a
little
more
perspective
here,
you
see
the
front
facade
again
of
of
the
sawyer
the
building
facing
solid,
which
I
just
described,
and
then
the
back
facade
on
the
background
of
the
building
on
aston,
a
lot
of
the
materials
on
the
aston
building,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
rear,
we're
using
the
this,
the
siding
and
trying
to
wrap
around
the
the
street
materials
around
corners
here-
and
I
think
that
was
the
last
image
we're
just
simply
looking
for
some
of
your
input
on
the
color
palette,
we're
presenting
and
material
selection.
K
So
far,
these
are
preliminary
renderings
but
you're
coming
to
help
us
a
lot
in
trying
to
further
identify
these
materials.
J
Thank
you.
Does
anybody
on
the
committee
have
any
comments.
Q
K
So
right,
right
now
on
the
the
existing
building,
it's
simply
parking
on
the
front
of
it
facing
aston.
We
are
anticipating
or
a
client
is
anticipating
or
either
a
brewery
or
a
restaurant
tech
tenant.
We
don't
have
one
yet,
but
that's
what
we're
anticipating
and
so
we're
proposing.
Turning
that
existing
parking
lot
into
outdoor
seating
or
patio
to
align
with
existing
interior
floor,
and
so
the
retaining
wall
that
you
might
see
along
the
and
the
planters
that
you
see
along
the
sidewalk
are
trying
to
mediate
between
those
two
great
differences.
H
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna,
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
not
any
parking
associated
with
this.
Is
there.
K
No
because
we
are
in
the
cbd
district,
we're
not
part
of
any
parking,
and
there
is
a
besides
the
you
can
see
here.
Actually,
there's
other
parking
lots
around
the
area.
There's
also
a
big
parking
garage
across
the
street
buncombe
street
coming
towards
aston
has
the
county
services
building
and
a
big
garage
there
that
can
be
used
if
they
decide
to
use
that.
But
we
do
are
providing
the
bike.
Storage
for
the
residents.
H
Okay,
great
and
have
y'all
considered
what
your
storm
water
management
methods
are
going
to
be
on
this.
S
Hey,
I
can
jump
in
there.
This
is
warren
with
civil
design
concepts
thanks
man
yeah.
So
when
we
had
a
pre-op
meeting
with
the
with
the
city
a
few
weeks
back
and
I'm
not
sure
if
the
stormwater
plans
are
in
here,
but
we
do
recognize
we're
going
to
have
to
chase
stormwater
down
sawyer
a
little
bit
to
get
to
some
some
inlets
that
are
nearby.
S
We
made
the
trc
submittal
just
yesterday,
so
I'm
probably
thinking
about
those
plans
as
opposed
to
the
drc
plans.
But
we
do
recognize
there'll,
be
some
on-site
collection
and
and
trying
to
sort
of
route
that
to
to
nearby
inlets.
H
Okay,
I
guess
you
can
see
where
I'm
going
with
this
it
it's
you
think,
there's
any
chance
that
at
least
some
of
the
roof
area
would
be
considered
for
green
roof.
S
I
can't
answer
that,
but
I
know
that
that's
something
you
bring
up
at
each
one
of
the
drcs.
K
We
can
definitely
follow
up
and
and
check
with.
This
is
going
to
be
a
more
of
a
client
question
as
well.
We
have
done
I
I
I
previously
I've
done
some
of
the
projects
where
they
have
the
green
roof.
Even
if
it's
not
a,
I
think
expensive,
expensive,
green
roof,
but
that's
going
to
be
a
question
that
would
have
to
be
brought
up
to
the
to
the
client
for
further
wait
for
them
to
weigh
in.
H
Okay,
we
appreciate
you
looking
into
that.
It's
interesting
you
can
go.
L
H
If
you
just
go
to
the
right
of
that
slide
two
blocks,
you
can
see
multi-family
housing
that
has
a
really
great
execution
of
a
green
roof
that
wasn't
required,
but
it's
there
and
there's
several
new
ones
going
in
the
city,
and
I
think
that
it
would
really
go
a
long
way
for
this
project
and
the
developer
to
consider
it,
and
maybe
even
warren
could
come
up
with
the
way
that
it
would
maybe
save
money.
G
Thanks,
I
would
also
point
to
I
think
another
project
cdc
worked
on
on
145
biltmore,
that
used
the
green
roof
for
their
stormwater
is
similar
similar
kind
of
project.
But
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
this
project,
I'm
really
familiar
with
the
site
I
used
to
actually
park
down
in
that
parking
lot.
All
the
time
when
I
worked
on
church
street
and
church
street
is
such
a
lovely.
It's
like
one
of
my
favorite
streets
in
asheville,
amazing
streetscape.
G
Of
course
we're
talking
about
historic
plants,
historic
buildings,
but
just
to
say
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
improve
the
streetscape
and
the
quality
of
the
pedestrian
environment
on
aston,
and
so
I
really
love
seeing
the
street
trees.
Of
course,
I'm
sure
they're
required,
but
just
to
really
be
thoughtful
about
what
species
you're
choosing
maybe
find
something
that,
depending
on
what
the
overhead
utilities
are,
that
could
cast
a
lot
of
shade.
G
C
Actually,
my
question
is
for
kate,
if
you
could
speak
a
little
more
about
some
of
the
savings
from
having
that
green
roof
in
terms
of
operationally
and
energy
savings,
everyone's
always
focused
on
the
cost,
but
is
there
really
a
long-term
increase
in
cost
or
what
are
the
opportunities
there?
I
mean
now's
a
good
time
to
bring
it
up.
G
Sure
so,
from
an
economic
standpoint,
your
client
might
be
interested
to
know
that
their
roofing
is
going
to
last
two
to
three
times
longer
if
it's
covered
with
a
green
roof.
So
in
terms
of
long-term
operational
costs
and
maintenance,
there's
some
savings
there.
G
Warren
can
warren
and
his
colleagues
can
speak
to
the
cost
savings
associated
with.
I
don't
know
what
they
would
need
to
do
underground
for
this
particular
project,
but
it
might
be
good
to
compare
the
cost
for
that
versus
the
green
roof,
but
every
project's
different-
and
you
know
you
all-
handle
it
differently
depending
on
the
the
site,
but
just
to
say
that
sometimes
the
green
roof
tends
to
be
more
more
affordable
than
the
cost
to
do
underground,
stormwater
infrastructure,
but
again
that's
dependent
on
the
project
site.
G
What's
existing,
how
far
you
need
to
go,
but
warren
would
be
able
to
answer
that
question
much
better
than
I
can
in
terms
of
temperature.
If
we
just
talked
about
how
hot
this
area
is
that
roof
would
be
ambient
temperature,
it
wouldn't
be
very
hot,
it
wouldn't,
you
know,
fluctuate
in
temperature
and
help
to
cool
the
broader
area
around
that
green
roof.
So
those
are
some
some
benefits
and
then
I
would
just
say
with
the
storm
water.
You
know
the
water
that's
coming
off
this
roof.
G
So
these
are
just
general
points,
thanks
jeremy,
for
the
opportunity
to
share
this,
but
but
you're
in
good
hands,
with
cdc
they've
done
this
before.
E
So
this
is
pretty
preliminary
correct
because
it's
just
there's
just
it's
just
kind
of
colored
blocks
right
now,
like
katherine,
I'm
I'm
very
familiar
with
this.
My
truck
is
parked
down
aston
right
now
and
I'm
sitting
on
church
street,
so
I'll
walk
down
here
every
day,
there's
some
delightful
buildings,
the
building
on
the
that
residential
building,
the
four-story,
brick
building
on
the
corner
of
church,
and
I
shoot
the
one
that
goes
around
that
goes
down
towards
sawyer.
E
That
building
has
so
much
detail
to
it,
and
this
building
just
looks
like
it's
gonna,
be
flat
plains
without
a
lot
going
on
on
the
windows,
and
you
know
obviously
we're
not
looking
for
you
to
provide
a
false
sense
of
historicity
or
any
kind
of
thing
like
that.
You
know
it
needs
to
be
of
its
time,
but
right
now
it
just
doesn't
look
developed
and
I'm
sure
that's
a
product
of
kind
of
where
you're
at
in
the
process.
E
But
I
would
just
strongly
recommend
when,
when
you
come
back
that
we
we
can
actually
see
what's
going
on
with
the
materials
in
the
building
and
that
it's
more
than
just
a
flat
plane
with
punched
openings.
I
don't
know
the
building
organization
seems
reasonable
to
me
right
now.
You
know
where
you've
got
some
of
the
pieces,
parts
and
pieces,
I'm
just
having
a
hard
time
figuring
out.
It
just
looks
like
a
different,
building's
kind
of
mashed
together
and
I
don't
know
which
ones
I
don't
know
why
they
why
they
change.
E
It
doesn't
seem
to
speak
to
functionality
or
or
anything
else,
it's
more
like.
Well,
we
know
we
need
to.
We
know
we
want
to
have
an
interesting
building,
so
we're
just
going
to
make
changes
and
poke
some
things
in
and
out.
I
just
would
be
looking
for
a
little
bit
more
of
a
developed
design
when
it
comes
back
to
us.
E
I
think
you
you're
starting
to
do
that
with
some
of
the
shading
elements,
you're
starting
to
do
that
with
how
you're
activating
things
on
the
streetscape,
I
don't
think
you
need
to
feel
like
you're
limited
to
base
middle
cap.
You
seem
pretty
set
on
that.
I
think
I
think
you've
got
more
freedom
there
than
than
you've
shown
so
far.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
that's
helpful,
but
that's
just
kind
of
what
I'm
looking
at
as
I
look
at
it.
A
K
Back
on
that
a
little
and
we
we
are
understanding
the
punched
opening
on
a
flat
surface
comment.
I
think
we
are
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
because
they're
micro
housing,
I
guess
we're
a
little
limited
on
how
much
windows
we
can
move
around
and
items
like
that,
but
we
are
trying
to
create
some
depth
and
patterns
on
the
walls
when
we
can,
with
the
sunshades,
for
example,
also
changing
sides
of
windows
so
that
the
interior
also
looks
a
little.
K
J
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
see
a
drawing
too,
where
all
these
perspectives
make
the
walls
look
angled.
So
I
would
like
to
see
a
flat
elevation
or
something
so
that
I
can
read
the
organization
a
little
better,
because
when
I
first
saw
this,
I
thought
the
walls
were
intentionally
angled,
but
I
think
it's
just
the
perspective.
E
J
F
I
was
actually
going
to
suggest
elevations
as
well,
because
I
think
the
I
think
your
your
design
is
is
doing
a
lot
of
things
that
already
that
the
perspectives
aren't
really
showing
very
well
they're,
not
doing
it
they're
not
doing
it
justice
and
I
think
elevation
drawings,
like
line
drawings
that
are
showing
what
the
patterns
you
know,
joint
patterns
and
the
orientation
of
those
metal
panels,
and
things
like
that-
and
you
know
you
know
brick.
You
know
brick
pattern.
F
You
know,
I
see
that
you've
got
or
it
looks
like
you've
got
some
stuff
going
on
around
some
of
those
windows
as
well.
That's
you
know
artful
and
playful,
and-
and
I
don't
think,
that's
really
coming
through
very
clearly
on
the
on
the
perspective,
so
I
think
a
line
drawing
that
shows
that
in
in
more
detail,
would
definitely
be
good.
F
K
J
L
R
Thank
you
just
a
brief
comment.
I
think
people
this
concerns
the
rankin
avenue
project.
I
think
that
people
may
not
realize
that.
Yes,
this
is
just
a
simple
land
swap
but
you're
moving
you're.
Now
locating
this
project
on
top
of
something
that's
10
meters
above
or
30
feet
above
the
surrounding
terrain
and
the
tallest
trees
actually
reach
about
36
feet
into
the
air,
those
at
the
edge
of
the
parking
lot.
Now.
That
means
that
this
will
be.
R
If
you
build
this
project,
it
will
be
visible
from
much
of
downtown
and
it's
important
to
consider
how
it
might
look
like
from
the
eris
hotel,
for
example,
and
other
of
these
new
very
you
know
expensive
and
beautiful
condominiums.
So
I
think,
in
addition
to
the
street
level
views
the
views
from
the
downtown
hotels
are
important
too.
I
think
it
was
just
an
error.
There
was
not
an
understanding
that
just
a
simple
translation
from
the
current
site
to
the
parking
lot
would
not.
You
know,
make
a
difference,
but
in
fact
it
makes
an
enormous
difference.
J
A
J
Well,
if
not,
then
thank
you.
J
Yeah,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
future
discussion
topics.
J
I
know
that
will-
and
I
have
talked
a
little
bit
about
talking
about
what
is
expected
of
this
committee
and
will
said
that
in
a
couple
months
we
may
have
a
presentation
from
the
city
about
what
they
expect
us
to
do.
Some
clarifications,
which
I
think
would
be
helpful
and
look
forward
to
that.
Yeah.
B
Yeah
director
jamie-
and
I
have
been
talking
about
that
a
little
bit
following
up
from
the
discussion
at
the
downtown
commission
meeting,
just
as
requested
to
help
kind
of
clarify
roles,
responsibilities
of
this
committee
of
that
downtown
commission
yeah.
I
think
you
guys
have
a
pretty
good
hang
of
it,
but
never
never
bad
idea
to
review
and
touch
base
and
get
on
the
same
page.
G
Yeah
that
would
be
helpful.
How
did
the
pre-meeting
work
for
everyone?
It
was
helpful
for
me,
this
is
my
first
I
don't
know.
Did
you
have
it
the
last
meeting
or
did.
G
J
G
Okay,
yeah.
I
thought
it
was
helpful,
I'm
just
adding
that.
F
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
tag
on
to
the
the
comment
about
you
know
the
roles
and
purview
and
and
that,
let's,
let's
try
to
make
that
happen,
you
know
I
I
I
I
appreciate
that.
There's
stuff
that's
already
planned
discussions
are
already
planned,
but
let's
just
make
sure
that
we
do
it
sooner
rather
than
later,
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
another
project
where
you
know
we
have
the
problem
and-
and
we
haven't
established
what
the
guidelines
really
are.
B
And
not
relevant
to
this
meeting,
because
it's
only
just
two
o'clock,
but
if
this,
if
we
were
still
in
informal
review,
we'd
be
taking
a
time
check
now.
I
think
that
and
the
pre-meeting
are
kind
of
our
two
major
improvements
to
help
manage
people's
time
and
understanding
the
projects,
and
then
the
informational
presentation
will
be
kind
of
a
another
improvement.
If
there's
anything
else
that
you
know,
you
all
want
to
talk
about
or
think
about,
feel
free
to
shoot
me
an
email
directly.
We
can
bring
it
up
to
the
next.
D
For
me
just
to
say
those
of
you
that
are
feeling
pretty
passionate
about
the
substation
discussion
and
fine.
If
you
want
to
talk
directly
with
me,
I
would
find
that
helpful.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
again.
Thank
you
for
all
your
expertise.
I've
been
more
than
pleased
and
impressed
every
time
this
board
gets
together
and
reviews
every
project.
So
just
a
big.
Thank
you.
J
Okay,
well,
if
nobody
has
anything
else,
I
think
that
we
are
ending
our
meeting
one
minute
late
and
that's
awesome.
So
thank
you,
everybody
and
see
you
next
time.