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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Sustainability Advisory Committee on Energy and the Environment.
Access the agenda and other meeting materials at the City of Asheville website: https://www.ashevillenc.gov/department/city-clerk/boards-and-commissions/sustainability-advisory-committee-on-energy-and-the-environment/
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A
B
Okay
good
afternoon,
everybody
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
meeting.
My
name
is
Tim
Ormand
and
I
am
serving
as
chair.
This
is
our
May
17
2023
meeting
all
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating.
Virtually
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
B
B
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
particip
to
provide
live
public
comment
over
the
phone
through
the
phone
number
listed
on
the
engagement
Hub,
which
is
linked
on
the
committee
web
page
on
today's
agenda.
There
will
be
an
opportunity
to
provide
public
comment
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
for
those
of
you
out
there
with
us
or
many
adoring
fans
in
the
metaverse.
Welcome
I
would
now
like
to
go
through
and
introduce
all
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone.
B
D
F
B
All
right,
I,
don't
think
we
have
our
city
council
liaison
Maggie
Allman
with
us.
Yet
we
do
have
our
wonderful
staff,
members
from
the
sustainability
office,
Bridget
Perry.
B
Guilty:
okay:
to
help
our
audience
follow
along
I'll
State
each
section
of
the
agenda
allowed
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
for
each
vote.
Additionally,
I
ask
the
committee
members
raise
their
hand
to
speak
and
I
will
call
upon
them.
B
B
Is
that
correct
I
should
know
all
this.
So
if
you
decide
to
approve
the
minutes,
I'd
ask
you
to
say
I
after
I
call
your
name
and
if
you
choose
not
to
then
say
nay,
so
Kim
Austin.
C
B
B
Sophie
Mullinax
and
I
also
am
an
I
the
eyes:
have
it
the
meeting,
then
it's
our
approved.
Thank
you
everybody.
So
now
we
will
go
into
our
updates.
We'll
start
with
our
working
group
updates
and
our
first
one
is
the
energy
and
carbon
working
group
in
Sophie.
Monarchs
is
going
to
update
us.
Take
it
away,
Sophie.
F
Yeah
hi
give
me
a
second
to
pull
up
some
notes
that
I
wanted
to
share.
F
F
This
committee
had
its
first
meeting
on
April
26th
and
it
was
followed
by
a
building
our
city
speaker
series
presentation,
so
the
advisory
committee
is
made
up
of
a
pretty
broad
swath
as
a
community,
including
lots
of
Builders
and
Architects
and
people
in
a
sustainability
field
in
community
members
and
just
looking
at
the
presentation
just
thinking
about
how
I
can
serve
on
this
committee
and
represent
a
sustainability
mindset
and
perspective
I'll
be
sharing
updates
with
you
all
as
often
as
possible,
but
I
love
to
get
your
thoughts
on
what
perspectives
or
issues
I
could
bring
up
at
the
meetings.
F
There's
two
more
advisory
meetings
and
we'll
be
looking
at
there's
a
consulting
firm
that
is
looking
at
barriers
to
missing
middle
housing
in
Asheville
and
defining
missing
middle
housing.
I
should
have
started
with
that
I'm
sorry.
They
are
house
scale
buildings
with
multiple
units
in
walkable
neighborhoods,
so
you
have
single
family
detached
houses
on
one
end
of
a
spectrum
and
then
on
the
other
end,
you
have
large
sort
of
mid-rise
apartment
buildings
and
Beyond.
F
The
missing
middle
is
anything
from
a
duplex
to
Triplex
fourplex
Courtyard,
Apartments,
Cottage,
courts,
multiplexes
live
work
situations,
and
that
is
what
we
I
guess
have
a
dearth
of
in
Asheville,
so
opticose
design
is
the
consulting
firm
that
the
city
has
contracted
with
to
perform
this
missing
middle
housing
study
and
they
are
going
to
be
looking
at
the
barriers
to
missing
middle
housing,
as
well
as
a
leading
this
Advisory
Group,
to
ensure
that
the
community's
input
is
taken
into
account
and
listened
to
along
the
way.
F
F
Having
done
some
work
with
the
city
and
the
county
and
the
community
engagement
space,
it
felt
nice
to
be
in
a
room
with
people
who
are
caring
about
this
type
of
stuff,
but
missing
middle
housing,
I
think
can
be
a
solution
to
the
affordable
housing
crisis
that
Asheville
and
so
many
other
cities
around
the
country
are
facing
right
now
and
my
understanding
of
it.
You
know
the
term
missing.
F
Middle
housing
is
actually
new
to
me
and
I
think
it
was
only
coined
just
about
10
or
15
years
ago,
but
my
understanding
of
it
is
it
could
potentially
increase
density
while
not
increasing
lot
size
and
just
an
example
is
thinking
about
where
I
live
in
West
Asheville
I
live
near
Paul,
Fletcher,
Elementary
School
on
my
street.
There
are
actually
some
quad
plexes
and
triplexes
and
duplexes,
but
they
blend
in
really
well
with
the
neighborhood.
It's
tradition.
F
F
You
may
also
know
that
I
do
some
volunteer
work
with
the
tree
protection
task
force
with
Asheville
GreenWorks.
So
that's
another
perspective.
I'm
trying
to
keep
at
the
Forefront
of
my
mind
anytime,
you
develop
on
a
lot.
Trees
will
be
impacted
and
it's
possible
that
missing
middle
housing
could
impact
tree
canopy
even
more
than
single
family
development.
F
So
just
keeping
you
know
you're
to
the
ground
eyes
open
about
how
to
balance.
You
know
so
many
different
competing
needs
in
terms
of
sustainability
and
affordable
housing
and
tree
canopy
protection
and
walkability
and
multi-modal
Transit,
and
you
know
all
the
things
that
make
a
really
good
livable
workable
City
in
this
whole
process.
So
I'll
stop
there
but
I'm
happy
to
entertain
its
discussion
or
some
questions.
B
Thanks
Sophie
Steve
has
a
question.
I
I
But
my
my
what
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
I
took
a
quick
look
at
the
site
and
I
was
struck
by
if
I'm
correct,
seeing
that
two-thirds
of
all
the
neighborhoods
in
our
city
only
allow
single-family
homes
and
so
I
guess
am
I
correct
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
possible
things
you'll
the
study
will
be
considering
would
be
whether
to
recommend
some
kind
of
relaxation
or
change
in
those
zoning
restrictions
to
allow
for
duplexes
Townhomes
the
the
kind
of
missing
middle
thing
since
they,
since
I
guess
currently
in
two-thirds
of
the
areas
they're
just
not
allowed
I
guess
the
other
thing
I
thought
about
when
I
was
talking
about
this
briefly,
is
that
you
know
just
like
with
anything.
I
Housing
is
there's
supply
and
demand,
and
there's
a
question
of
there
are
lots
of
questions
of
affordability
and
and
who
wants
who,
with
changing
demographics,
who
wants
to
live
in
a
duplex
versus
having
a
single.
You
know
a
separate
home
versus
Apartments,
all
that
and
I
guess
all
I'm
doing
is
coming
to
coming
to
the
conclusion
that
there
is
no
conclusion.
I
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
be
balancing
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
these
factors
and
does
the
group
have
a
sense
of
where
this
is
where
this
is
headed
or
is
it
kind
of
a
is
there
kind
of
this
implicit
it's
missing
and
therefore
we
need
to
find
some
some
of
it
and
and
encourage
some
of
it
or
is
it
just
kind
of
a
let's
take
a
look
at
all
the
factors
and
see
where,
where
we
are
and
what
might
be
best.
F
I
think
it's
all
the
above.
You
know
the
U.S
historically
has
built
missing
middle
housing.
It's
just
not
really
built
today
and
you
mentioned
shifting
demographics.
F
Today,
30
of
the
US
households
are
single
persons
by
2025
and
just
18
months,
75
to
85
percent
of
American,
households
won't
have
children
and
by
2030
one
in
five
Americans
will
be
over
the
age
of
65.
and
so
missing.
F
Middle
housing
you
know,
could
very
well
fit
the
needs
of
our
changing
demographics
in
terms
of
being
smaller
units
in
more
walkable
neighborhoods
with
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
like
more
of
a
sense
of
community,
but
you
know
inherently
fostering
more
of
a
community
with
neighbors
and
I
listened
to
this
really
great
podcast
on
loneliness
and
elderly.
Folks,
it
was
the
Ezra
Klein
show
if
anybody
listens
to
that
it
was
one
of
the
most
recent
ones,
and
that
is
a
very
scary
and
sad
epidemic.
F
A
Yeah
I
just
want
to
say
Sophie
I
think
that's
awesome
that
you're
doing
it
sounds
like
your
group
is
really
focused
on
smart
growth
and
like
walkable
neighborhoods
already
one
of
the
areas
that
I've
spent
some
time
reading
about
and
researching
is
like
Urban
growth
boundaries
and
how
Portland
Oregon
was
like
one
of
the
ones
to
kind
of
kick
start
that
what
in
putting
an
urban
growth
boundary
in
it
focuses
the
development
to
be
pretty
much
all
smart
within
the
city
limits
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
that's
on
the
table,
or
it's
been
discussed
in
your
group
at
all
and
also
I've
heard
a
rumor
that
Urban
growth
boundaries
are
illegal
in
North
Carolina
like
most
Goods
sustainable
things,
but
but
I
don't
know.
F
That
term
has
not
been
brought
up,
I
can
bring
it
up,
and
maybe
you
know
one
of
our
other
folks
on
the
call
know
if
it's
not
allowed
or
not
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
it's
not,
as
you
said,
but
no
one
of
the
driving
I
think
motivations
behind
this,
too,
is
infill
development
and
reducing
sprawl,
which
you
know,
there's
many
sides
and
pluses
and
minuses
to
infill
development
as
well.
F
As
you
know,
the
more
suburban
sprawl
that
we
see
and
I
feel
you
know
most
of
the
city,
folks
that
I've
interacted
with
through
this
advisory
committee
and
the
building
our
city
presentation
after
the
committee
met.
You
know,
feel
really
strongly
about
not
having
Asheville
become
this
really
sprawling
town,
where
you
have
to
be
very
car,
dependent
and
you're
isolated
from
your
community.
F
Your
job,
your
you,
know,
areas
your
daily
destinations,
other
things
that
the
study
opticos
is
going
to
be
looking
at
are
like
a
very
close
examination
of
different
types
of
barriers
plans.
Sorry,
policy
barriers,
zoning
in
particular,
as
well
as
doing
a
displacement
assessment
and
analyzing
different
neighborhoods
around
the
city,
for
their
displacement,
vulnerability,
meaning
if
more
missing
metal
housing
is
built
in
this
neighborhood.
What
is
the
vulnerability
of
those
existing
residents
for
being
displaced,
which
we
all
know
is
a
very
serious
issue.
F
E
Thank
you,
sorry
that
was,
it
is
an
excellent,
informative
overview.
Thank
you.
So
much
so
much
sorry.
E
The
only
question
I
had
will
they've
been
looking
at
this
report
of
all
electric
buildings
so
that
they
save
on
avoiding
gas
hookups
and
also
roof
lines
that
are
solar,
capable.
F
B
Great
and
welcome
councilwoman
Alvin
your
turn.
J
Because
I'm
very
excited
about
this
I
think
that
this
missing
middle
study,
coupled
with
the
pending
financial
commitment,
that
we
hope
will
come
through
to
do
an
urban
forestry
master
plan
with
some
other
things
that
relate
to
how
we
grow
where
we
grow.
When
we
grow
what
sprawl
we
can
resist.
All
this
type
of
stuff
I
think
is
going
to
move
us
in
the
right
direction
to
have
the
nuance
and
like
scalpel
strategies
that
are
necessary
because
saying
infill
anywhere
isn't
going
to
work.
J
Seeing
NEP,
saying
never
cut
a
tree
anywhere
also
isn't
going
to
work,
and
so
the
fact
that
we
can
have
this
be
kind
of
moving
in
a
similar
Direction
on
a
similar
timeline
allows
us
to
I
I
hope
be
a
lot
more
strategic
about
how
we
manage
the
growth
instead
of
sitting
on
our
hands
and
having
it
come
our
way
and
I.
So
I'm
enthusiastic
about
that
in
just
one
other
two
cents
to
Michael's
comment.
J
My
sense
is
that
this
missing
middle
study
likely
won't
address
things
around
building,
capabilities
for
electrification
or
Renewables
I.
Think
it's
really
going
to
be
a
lot
more
focused
on
zoning,
which
typically
doesn't
address
the
the
building
itself
and
I
think
that
there
are
growing
conversations
that
having
Advocate
support
like
folks
from
CC
in
the
community
to
talk
about
us
really
looking
at
our
unified
development.
Ordinance
at
large
is
important.
J
I
also
think,
looking
at
the
existing
development
incentives
we
already
have
and
how
they
could
be
incentivizing
Greening
are
two
places
where
I
think
the
conversation
you
brought
up
my
goal
of.
Where
can
we
be
really
pushing
for
Renewables
and
electrification?
Those
are
two
of
the
sources.
I
think
that
we
might
see
the
most
the
most
opportunity
so
there's
my
two
cents,
thanks
for
listening.
B
Thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that
great
discussion
and
update
Sophie.
Please
keep
us
posted
and,
as
a
middle
child,
myself,
I
have
a
strong
interest
in
this
topic.
At
this
point,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
Ashley
for
our
resilience
group
update.
A
Hi
everybody,
so
our
resilience
working
group
met
last
month
and
we
had
the
pleasure
of
having
Jeremy
or
Jeremy
1910
is
that
did
I,
say
his
name
correctly
night
or
night,
who's
he's
the
captain
of
Asheville's
fire
department
and
he's
also.
A
He
also
does
division
of
Emergency
Management
and
he
came
or
he
showed
us
a
presentation
that
you
all
will
actually
see
as
well
on
the
emergency
operation
plan
and
the
continuing
continuing
the
operations
plan,
so
the
EOP
in
the
coop,
or
that
he
was
referring
to
it
as
coop,
and
so
both
of
these
plans.
A
They
both
sound,
like
they're
still
in
the
development
phase
and
still
getting
a
lot
of
community
engagement
and
trying
to
engage,
engage
stakeholders
as
well
and
both
of
the
plans
will
support
and
work
with
existing
departmental
plans.
Initiatives
like
the
climate,
Justice
initiative
and
the
Water
Resource
emergency
response
plan,
and
so
he
was
also
really
talking
to
us
about
the
surveys
and
that
that
he's
trying
to
get
out
there-
and
hopefully
we
can
help
get
the
surveys
out
there
for
him.
A
A
Also
what
people
are
most
concerned
about
and
what
areas
they
need
to
focus
on
mostly,
and
then
he
also
discussed
how
Asheville,
City
departments
are
able
to
help
people
feel
more
prepared
for
extreme
weather
events
or
water
outages
and
he's
talking
about
like
having
workshops
or
handing
out
preparedness,
safety
kits
or
even
just
checklists
like,
even
if
you
already
have
a
lot
of
the
stuff,
but
you
don't
necessarily
know
what
needs
to
be
in
your
kit
so
having
that
checklist
available
and
there
he
was
also
talking
about
doing
maybe
some
or
in
the
presentation
it
was
talking
about,
doing
like
pop-ups
for
Tent,
Events
or
just
to
help
inform
the
public.
A
So
the
other
thing
that
he
mentioned,
which
is
good
to
know
if
you
don't
have
a
landline.
So
if
you
have
an
Asheville
landline,
then
you
get
phone
calls
about
anything
whether
it's
an
outage
or
a
big,
a
big
hazardous
event,
I
suppose.
A
A
Times
not
hazardous
times
but
hazardous
events
or
like
the
loss
of
water
or
powder.
E
E
A
That's
a
great
question
and
we
didn't
he
didn't
specifically
talk
about
that,
and
that
was
not
one
of
the
on
the
survey
I'm.
Not
remembering
that
specifically,
is
one
of
the
things
that
you
could
check
now
there
might
have
been
I,
don't
even
think
like
chemical
spill
or
anything
like
that
was
an
option
for
checking
things
that
you
were
concerned
with.
A
B
Questions
comments
here,
we'll
move
it
right
along
and
turn
it
over
to
Joel
who's
going
to
give
us
our
swwwg,
also
known
as
swag,
also
known
as
swig
stormwater
and
green
infrastructure.
Working
group
update
Take
it
Away
Joe.
H
Excellent,
thank
you.
Tim
I
love,
all
the
acronyms
we
got
to
run
around
here,
so
we
last
met
on
I
believe
it
was
Tuesday
March
21st.
In
our
combined
meeting
we
reviewed
and
just
discussed
that
swtf,
which
is
the
stormwater
task
force
report.
H
We
had
a
good
substantial
discussion
around
the
approaches
and
progress
that
the
city
has
made
related
to
various
aspects
of
open
space,
green
infrastructure,
green
roofs,
storm
water,
Alternatives
Etc.
H
We
also
had
a
good
review
session
with
Mr
vadilla
septica
from
urban
planning,
and
he
presented
some
updates
to
landscape
code
that
they're
working
through
related
to
canopy
and
tree
soil
and
I
guess
area
for
a
good
root
structure
updates,
which
is
near
and
dear
as
a
landscape
architect,
and
very
appreciative
of
that
also,
some
good
conversations
around
green
roofs
and
and
how
to
move
forward
with
more
implementation
of
bringing
roofs
and
sort
of
Maintenance
of
roofs
around
the
city
of
Asheville
and
I
believe
the
next
step
that
was
all
leveraging
towards
also
a
review
of
a
storm
water
fee,
study
and
I.
H
Believe
our
next
meeting
May
focus
on
that,
and
while
we
had
a
meeting
scheduled
for
earlier
this
week,
that
was
postponed
until
a
later
date.
So
that
is
my
quick
update
but
yeah
happy
to
fill
in
gaps
or
certainly
feel
free,
Alicia
or
Tim.
If
I
have
left
any
gaps
there.
B
Thank
you,
Joel
I
think
that
was
pretty
thorough.
We
was
good.
We
expect
we'll
have
more
to
report
very
soon
and
if
there
are
no
questions,
we'll
turn
it
over
to
Bridget
for
the
sustainability
Department
update.
G
Good
afternoon,
everyone
Bridget
here
in
the
sustainability
director
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
together
a
memo
that
just
summarizes
some
of
the
happenings
that
have
been
going
on
in
the
department
that
aren't
really
on
this
agenda,
just
to
keep
you
all
in
the
loop,
so
the
the
survey
to
inform
the
continuity
of
operations
plan
and
the
Emergency
Operations
plan,
and
that
project
page
is
linked
into
this
memo.
So
anybody
in
the
community
that's
watching
this
as
well
as
Stacy
members
that
would
like
to
participate
in
this.
G
G
We've
received
some
applications
and
Council
will
be
considering
that
at
their
June
meeting
so
pending
their
approval
of
one
of
those
applications
in
case
they
or
if
they
choose
to
re-advertise
we'd,
anticipate
that
they'll
be
a
new
member
on
the
committee
for
your
next
meeting
in
July
I'm
excited
to
report
that
the
municipal
climate
action
plan
was
unanimously
adopted
by
Council
so
included
in
the
blog
post.
For
that
very
exciting,
and
thank
you
all
again
for
your
hard
work
on
that
initiative
and
excited
to
start
thinking
about
shifting
into
implementation.
G
We
had
the
food
scratch
drop-off
program.
The
city
council
approved
an
interlocal
agreement
with
Buncombe
County
to
kind
of
co-manage
that
program,
so
we're
happy
to
see
kind
of
a
formalized
partnership
with
that.
So
we
can
see
that
program
grow
and
expand
since
it's
been
so
popular
and
we're
excited
to
see
more
action
happening
with
expanding
opportunities
for
compost
besides
the
backyard
option.
So
not
everybody
has
that
and
then
mentioned
that
the
sustainability
coordinator
position
became
vacant
at
the
end
of
March.
G
I
Yeah
I
wanted
to
share
my
excitement
at
the
edition
of
two
new
locations
for
food
scraps
drop
off,
one,
that's
very
convenient
to
me
and
since
we
last
met
I've
even
dug
a
big
hole
in
my
backyard,
so
I've
got
it
going
all
the
way
around
so
I'm
enthusiastic
I'll
be
a
novice
on
composting.
I
I've
been
kind
of
looking
at
this
because
I'm
so
interested
in
it
I
wanted
to
share
some
observations
with
you
for
discussion.
I
The
expansion,
this
expansion
of
the
drop-offs
is
really
great
and
I
think
the
numbers
are
160.
Tons
of
food
waste
have
been
diverted
from
the
from
the
landfill
to
date.
That's
two
and
a
half
years,
and
then
it's
anticipated
and
pure
or
bridgeable
correct
me
that
going
forward
with
the
expanded
sites
that
it
we
may
be
looking
at
something
like
225
tons
avoided
annually,
which
is
a
significant,
a
significant
increase.
I
I
The
numbers
that
I
have
come
across
if
they're
accurate
is
that
each
year
we
have
an
estimated
in
excess
of
57
000
tons
of
food,
that's
wasted
in
Buncombe
County
and
that
takes
up
fully
a
quarter
of
the
of
the
LA
of
our
landfill
requirements
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
really
important
and
great
if
we
could
somehow
work
on
developing
kind
of
a
going
forward
way
to
scale
up,
find
ways
to
scale
up
really
scale
up
the
kind
of
the
kind
of
diversions,
food
scraps,
diversion
and
composting.
I
We
did
get
a
public
comment
a
couple
weeks
ago
that
Tim
and
Bridget
have
responded
to
that
suggested
that
curbside
pickup
is
the
way
to
go,
avoids
driving
to
the
you
know:
greenhouse
gas
emissions
avoids
driving
there
and
suggested
that
the
county
landfill
might
be
a
place
to
increase
composting
capacity
easily
said
I'm
sure,
but
something
worth
looking
into.
The
comment
noted
that
New
York,
City
and
Boulder
Colorado
both
have
curbside
I
took
a
look
New
York
City
has
both
drop
off
and
curbside
and
and
curbside
isn't
complete.
I
It's
expanding
to
different
boroughs.
Boulder
does
not
do
it,
but
the
city
Boulder
does
not
do
it.
They
have
you.
Can
there
are
like
six
I
think,
half
a
dozen
something
like
six
private
companies
that
will
do
curbside
pickup
for
you
and
we
have
one
right:
compost,
AVL
I,
don't
know
much
about
them,
but
but
that
is
one
option
that
we
currently
have,
and
there
are
others
that
I
looked
at
like
my
old
Hometown,
the
City
of
Austin
has
since
I've
left
in
the
last
three
or
four
years.
I
They
have
curbside
pickup
with
your
separate
food
scrap
container
and
you
can
you
can
choose
a
downsized,
regular
landfill
trash
container
to
save
money
from
doing
that
diversion.
So
that's
an
incentive,
Charlotte
does
Charlotte.
I
Charlotte
has
something
something
private,
I
think
and
the
like,
but
I
I
just
I
just
think
that
there's
such
good
potential
benefits
I
would
hope,
hope
we
would
find
low-hanging
fruit
from
doing
this,
not
just
avoiding
landfill
but
method
of
reducing
methane
emissions
right
and
obviously
reducing
the
amount
of
food.
That's
wasted
because
I,
at
least
for
me
food
waste.
I
It's
increased
food
waste
Consciousness
when
you
have
to
throw
your
food
as
well
in
a
special
place
and,
of
course,
the
there's,
the
garden
soil
that
comes
out
at
the
end
of
all
this,
so
I
would
like
to
see
at
some
point
the
consideration
of
some
kind
of
study
to
kind
of
explore
and
quantify
the
benefits
and
costs
of
different
options.
Curb
you
know
the
kinds
of
issues
that
you
that
you
think
about
one.
Do
we
have
cup
composting
facilities
enough?
How
much
would
be
cost
to
develop
it?
Curbside
pickup?
I
Is
that
something
the
city
could
do
City
by
contract.
Rfps
could
do.
Is
that
something
that
should
be
left
to
private
but
maybe
encouraged
in
some
way
and
I
guess
that's
sort
of
where
I
am
where
I
am
on
this
I
know
the
single-use
plastic
study
kind
of
looked
at
the
pros
and
cons
of
what's
feasible,
to
do
with
plastic
bags,
and
there
was
a
250
2015
study
that
Bridget
shared
this
pays.
I
You
throw
study
that
kind
of
did
a
look
back
then
at
some
some
options,
so
I
think,
let's,
let's
build
on
what
we
have
and
and
really
see
if
we
can
get
some
big
big
numbers
up
in
the
in
the
some
sometime
in
the
future.
If
we
can,
if
it
makes
sense,
thank
you
for
bearing
with
me
thanks.
B
Steve
Michael
has
a
comment:
question.
C
E
And
affirm
what
Steve
just
said:
I
think
that's
great
ideas
and
that
once
when
I
had
my
hand
raised
but
Cindy
raised
this
and
I
guess,
maybe
other
people
comment
I'll
wait
to
make.
My
other
question
raise
another
question.
E
B
If
Bridget
has
any
response,
she'd
like
to
share
I
know,
she
has
probably
the
deepest
history
and
knowledge
on
this
in
this
group,
maybe
with
the
exception
of
Maggie,
but.
G
Yeah
well,
I
mean
I,
think
it
goes
all
the
way
back
to
when
councilwoman
Allman
was
in
my
position.
So
I
think
this
is
an
issue.
The
city
has
been
looking
at
for
a
long
time.
There's
some
infrastructure
challenges
with
being
able
to
process
that
amount
of
compost
that
outsizes
the
current
infrastructure
that
we
have
available
and
actually
a
previous
iteration
of
the
sustainability
advisory
committee,
went
on
a
field
trip
to
tour
Atlas
Organics,
which
is
in
Spartanburg
South
Carolina,
which
is
the
closest
commercial
composting
facility
that
we
currently
have.
G
G
J
I
would
love
to
see
this
happen,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
like
how
to
be
like
politer
I,
don't
know
like
City
council-ish
but
like
this
has
been
a
dream.
I've
had
for
a
really
long
time
and
it's
major
infrastructure
change
and
it's
major
Service
delivery
change,
but
that's
okay.
We
can
keep
working.
J
It
feels
like
one
of
those
bee
hags
big
hairy,
audacious
goals,
but
it
seems
really
worth
it.
I
think
the
leadership
Bridget
has
been
exhibiting
in
the
partnership
that
she
and
Jess
Foster
and
our
sanitation
department
continue
to
cultivate
with
the
County's.
Landfill,
are
really
moving
this
in
the
right
direction
because
you
know
just
because
we
have
a
drop-off
site.
J
It
goes
somewhere
right
and
it
goes
to
the
landfill
and
the
landfill
has
basically
started
a
pilot
Compost
Facility,
it's
tiny,
but
it's
tiny
by
Design,
because
it's
like
as
big
as
they
can
go
without
jumping
into
a
regulatory
threshold
right,
so
they
they
took
on
as
much
as
they
could
to
test
some
functions
and
some
operations
before
they'd
have
to
invest
in
like
a
lot
of
legal
stuff.
So
it
was
very
smart
on
their
part.
J
Very
smart
on
your
part,
I'll
also
say
that
I
have
the
privilege
of
sitting
on
the
county
commissions,
environment
and
energy
subcommittee,
there's
three
Commissioners
and
then
a
couple
of
US
citizens
are
appointed,
and
so
we
talk
about
land,
solid
waste,
a
lot
in
Dean,
the
head
of
the
the
landfill
comes,
and
this
is
a
conversation
that
is
also
being
had
there.
J
So
no
one's
like
let's
do
this
yesterday,
but
it's
more
like
that
landfill's
Gonna,
Fill
Up
and
our
prices
are
going
to
Skyrocket
and
then
we're
going
to
be
hauling
our
waste
to
South
Carolina.
Nobody
wants
that
so
I
I
see
nothing
but
really
positive
signals,
but
very
slow
and
calculated
signals
as
I
would
want
something
with
such
major
major
infrastructures.
So
let's
put
some
I
was
gonna,
say
two
cents,
but
it's
probably
more
like
16.,
okay,.
I
D
I'll
just
quickly
say:
I
think
we
can't
have
it
all
at
once,
and
it's
good
to
keep
it
in
mind
and
something
to
be
sad
is
it's
also,
even
if
you
had
it
a
curbside,
not
everyone
Behavior
really
will
want
to
bring
out
their
compost
and
separate
it
and
two
another
issue
since
I
spent
all
yesterday
with
a
bear
in
my
backyard.
Is
that
if
you
do
have
it
something
we
need
to
consider
is
you
have
curbside
people
are
bringing
out
their
food
scraps
to
a
curbside
recycling?
D
What
is
that
going
to
do
for
all
of
our
wildlife
in
the
area
and
like
bringing
Bears
to
places
I
mean
I,
know
people
take
out
their
trash
every
night,
but
I
don't
know
something
to
consider
when
we
make
all
these
decisions
of
Behavioral
changes.
Even
if
you
provided
not,
everyone
wants
to
have
two
separate
trash
cans
in
their
house
and
bring
it
out.
D
I
Oh,
why
can't
it
happen
yesterday,
I
I,
just
I,
just
what
I
meant
to
do
really
was
not
was
just
to
raise
the
question
of
whether
at
some
point
it's
worth
doing
a
doing
a
kind
of
a
study
to
put
numbers
on
their
real
costs.
I
Obviously,
in
this
and
infrastructure
costs
and
behavior
questions,
and
there
are
real
substantial
benefits
as
you
as
councilman
Allman
indicated,
the
landfill
filling
up
you
know
is
an
issue
being
able
to
sell
garden
soil
at
the
end
of
the
day
is
a
possible
benefit.
Just
is
there?
I
Is
there
a
time
at
some
point,
and
maybe
it's
not
now-
and
maybe
it's
not
for
several
years,
I
guess,
but
is
there
a
point
at
which
it's
worth
trying
to
take
a
hard
look
at
what
the
numbers
would
be
both
on
the
plus
and
minus
side,
to
make
a
call
on
on
on
on
questions
of
how
how
we
can
scale
up?
Because
right
now
it
you
know
it's,
it's
really
very
small,
so
and
I
understand
why
the
reasons
why,
but
that's
that
was
my
thought.
Thanks.
Thank.
B
You
Steve,
we
should
probably
move
on
I
I
do
know.
18
years
ago,
when
I
lived
in
San
Francisco,
they
did
have
curbside
compost,
pickup
I,
think
city-wide.
So
that's
it's
much
denser
City,
but
it
may
be
an
example
of
a
success
story,
or
so
let's
keep
going
we're
going
to
move
into
Old
business
and
on
our
agenda
we
have
plastic
reduction,
project,
update
sanitation,
analysis,
memo
and
presentation.
Jess
Foster
welcome.
K
K
K
E
B
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
we
have
an
alternate
agenda
to
to
go
to
unless
I'm
assuming
Bridget
you're
public
input,
survey
sort
of
Builds
on
what
Jess
is
going
to
present
or.
K
K
So
we're
going
to
start
out
with
the
key
takeaways
that
I'm
going
to
go
over
today,
so
today,
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
key
data
that
demonstrates
that
our
current
Municipal
Solid
Waste
Services
are
inadequate
to
properly
capture
and
manage
certain
single-use
plastic
wastes.
K
Changing
or
expanding
our
service
operations
to
properly
manage
that
waste
are
really
not
financially
or
operationally
feasible
and
the
current
local
infrastructure
outside
of
our
Municipal
services
to
properly
capture
the
waste
like
the
magnitude
and
the
types
of
waste
that
we're
targeting
that
infrastructure
is
limited.
K
E
K
K
The
next
slide
is
just
a
background
slide,
so
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
say,
as
you
know,
cancel
directed
staff
to
look
at
strategies
to
reduce
single-use
plastic
waste,
and
so
we've
implemented
phase
one
which
was
changing
that
ordinance
and
so
we're
now
prohibiting
plastic
bags
from
yard
waste
collection.
Effective,
August
1st,
now
we're
looking
at
point
of
sale,
plastic
reduction,
particularly
for
retail
plastic
bags
and
EPS
food,
to
go
styrofoam,
so
sustainability
office
is
doing
all
of
the
public
input
engagement
surveys
all
of
that
Gathering.
K
But
we
were
also
asked
to
look
at
our
sanitation
operations
and
analyze
their
ability
to
capture
and
properly
manage
plastic
bags
and
eps,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
today.
Next
slide.
K
I'll
just
start
talking
and
then
it'll
catch
up,
okay,
so
first
we,
our
staff,
started
by
just
Gathering
as
much
data
and
information
as
we
could.
K
K
Thank
you
so
like
since
July,
like
Asheville
GreenWorks,
has
picked
up
over
seven
tons
of
of
litter
from
roadways,
most
of
that
being
single
use
and
a
lot
of
it
being
plastic
waste
and
since
2017
over
five
tons
of
waste
captured
in
their
trash
trouts
that
they've
been
building
in
the
streams,
and
you
know
you
have
to
think
about
five
tons
of
of
waste
when
it's
like
little
plastic
lightweight
bits.
K
That's
that's
a
lot
of
little
lightweight
bits
of
plastic,
so
we
there's
also
significant
cost
for
staff
contractors
and
volunteer
time
in
managing
plastic
waste
that
escapes
our
system.
So,
for
example,
Buncombe
County
pays
over
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
spends
over
1200
hours,
collecting
wind
blown
litter
at
their
facilities
and
that's
mostly
plastic
retail
plastic
bags.
K
You
know
the
city's
paying
contractors
to
pick
up
roadside
litter
right
now,
we're
supporting
Asheville
GreenWorks
in
their
trash,
trouts
and
cleanups.
All
of
that
amounts
to
a
significant
financial
and
time
investment.
We
were
also
able
to
get
some
good
data
from
our
recycling
contractor
on
the
cost
of
contamination,
so
curbside
management
who
processes
the
city's
recyclables.
They
they
landfill,
175
tons
a
month
of
of
waste
that
cannot
be
recycled,
and
that
is
plastic
waste
that
cannot
be
recycled
and
they
spend
around
ninety
thousand
dollars
a
year
disposing
of
that.
K
K
So
we
also
looked
at
at
like
why
these
particular
materials
are
are
challenging.
So
the
sort
of
just
like
wide
distribution
and
lightweight
nature
of
single-use
plastic
bags
makes
them
really
difficult
to
capture
in
our
Sanitation
Services.
K
So
you
know,
if
you,
if
you
put
a
plastic
bag
in
a
trash,
can
or
in
a
street
receptacle,
you
know
it
tends
to
just
it
can
just
blow
away
very
easily
and
so
they're
just
so
hard
to
capture,
because
they
they
blow
around
and
they're
so
widespread
that
the
recycling
contamination
rates
are
really
high.
K
I
think
it
was
estimated
that
if
we
were
to
prohibit
plastic
bags
at
the
point
of
sale,
we'd
be
able
to
eliminate
over
63
million
bags
a
year
so
that
widespread
nature
makes
them
very
prolific
out
in
the
environment
same
for
EPS,
it's
very
lightweight
which
results
in
it
being
able
to
be
blown
around
and
it
sort
of
crumbles
into
small
pieces,
particularly
it's
contaminated
with
food,
which
makes
recyclability
a
challenge.
K
K
So
we
did
look
at
you
know.
If
what
could
we
do
to
improve
our
services
to
properly
manage
this?
So
we're
like?
Okay,
what
if
we
did
dedicated
curbside
recycling
for
these
materials,
it
would
require
just
millions
of
dollars
in
an
investment
to
you
know,
start
up,
provide
carts,
have
vehicles,
have
staff
to
provide
a
collection
service
just
for
those
items,
so
that's
not
really
feasible,
and
it
would
only
capture
Residential
Waste,
because
that's
what
the
city
provides
service
for.
K
We
thought
what,
if
we
did
a
drop-off
system
right
like
similar
to
our
food
waste
drop-off
system,
what
if
we
had
a
drop-off
system
again
you're
looking
at
extensive
one-time
startup
costs
ongoing
operational
costs,
you
know
having
a
facility
to
process
the
material
it
it's
just.
It
becomes
a
very
costly
Endeavor
and
we
do
know
that
there
are
already
some
drop-off
programs
that
exist
for
plastic
bags.
So
it
would
be
like
duplicating
those
efforts.
K
We
did
talk
with
curbside
management.
Is
it
possible
for
them
to
pull
that
material
that
they're
getting
in
the
recycling
stream
and
Market
it
as
a
recyclable?
Can
they
recycle
it
and
the
material
is
unfortunately
just
too
contaminated
once
it
gets
to
them
to
be
sorted
and
marketed,
so
none
of
these
options
were
really
considered
feasible
for
us
yeah.
K
K
So
we
looked
at,
there
are
some
current
management,
other
Management
Solutions
other
than
our
Sanitation
Services-
that
are
around
right
now,
so
those
include
there's
recycling
for
clean
dry
plastic
bags
and
film
and
for
clean
white
EPS.
K
There's
there's
currently
one
vendor
accepting
that
clean
white
EPs,
and
so
that
doesn't
necessarily
include
food
contaminated
EPS,
which
is
what
we're
talking
about
here,
and
there
are
maybe
36
we'll
tell
there's,
maybe
36
retailers
within
30
miles
of
this
area,
accepting
plastic
bags
and
film
for
recycling.
K
But
we
would
suggest
that
you
know
the
data
on
the
presence
of
these
single-use
Plastics
in
the
landfill
and
in
litter
indicates
that
those
options
that
we
do
have
aren't
functioning
well
enough
to
really
handle
the
problem.
I
think
the
infrastructure
needed
to
capture
and
process
the
scale
that
we're
talking
about
is
just
really
insufficient
right.
Now.
K
K
So
just
that's
our
analysis
on
on
litter
and
and
plastic
waste
data.
So
for
now,
staff
is
just
going
to
consider
sorry
continue.
Gathering
input
from
residents
and
then
we'll
make
recommendations
to
council.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
the
scope
strategy
and
feasibility
of
any
ordinance
change
will
be
determined
by
this
analysis
of
our
current
service
provision.
B
I
Yes,
thank
you
and
I
I
read
the
the
report.
The
memo
also
that
was
included
in
the
materials
that
covered
covered
your
ground
in
a
little
more
detail.
Perhaps
all
all
very
interesting
but
I
have
two
questions
related
questions.
One
is
what
do
we
know?
I
I
didn't
see
it,
but
I
may
miss
it.
What
what
is
the
city's
current
capacity
to
do
plastic
if
you
get
clean
plastic
bags?
What
is
the
capacity
to
to
recycle
those?
I
The
second
question
I
have
is
apart
from
capacity.
The
challenge
that
you
identified
about
adapting
current
curbside
recycling
processes
is
that
the
bags
are
likely
to
be
contaminated.
If
they're
included
in
the
current
curbside
recycling
carts
and
the
thought
occurred
occurred
to
me,
is
there
some?
Would
it
be
possible
to
nonetheless
to
have
them
picked
up,
but
segregated
I
have
I'm?
Just
you
know,
I
have
to
ask
me
as
a
as
a
resident
to
when
I
get
all
my
bags
of
plastic
bags.
I
I
I
have
reusables,
but
when
I
pick
up
all
my
plastic
plastic
bags
and
collect
them
for
the
week,
I
try
to
reuse
them,
but
but
if
I,
if
I,
don't
just
put
them
in
a
larger
trash,
you
know
kitchen
trash
bag
and
have
them
put
out
at
the
same
time
with
your
for
brush
collection
or
for
everybody,
who's
gonna
do
or
or
for
your
bi-weekly
recycling,
so
that
they're
segregated
and
not
contaminated
and
clean
to
supplement
the
dropping
it
off
at
Ingles
or
Harris
Teeter
or
whatever.
I
Is
there
potential
there?
So
sorry,
those
two
questions
capacity
and,
and
that
is
an
up
to
keep
it
clean,
we'll.
K
Start
with
the
second
piece,
so
the
first
alternative
management
solution
that
we
looked
at
was
providing
separate
Recycling
services
just
for
those
items,
and
so
when
you're
talking
about
you
know,
segregating
it
and
then
having
a
whole
separate
collection
route
for
it.
We're
talking
like
how
like
how
else
would
it
be
collected
and.
I
Well,
when
the
brush
people
come
well,
recycling
comes
by
the
guy
came
by
today,
our
house
right.
He
took
all
the
cardboard
and
all
Etc
and
the,
and
did
it
if
I
had
alongside
it
all
the
plastic
bags
that
I've
that
I
get
when
I
check
out
in
a
segregated
in
a
white
kitchen
plastic
bag.
If
there's
a
place
to
keep
it
separate
in
the
truck.
I
K
I
mean
we
can
we
can
revisit
that
question
with
our
with
our
Murph,
but
they
did
indicate
trucks
are
compact,
they're,
compacting
and
there's
glass
and
stuff.
You
know
that
it,
the
material
is
too
contaminated
and
also
the
vendor
that
recycles
the
material
that
they
would
sell
it
to
does
not.
K
Does
it
states
they
state
that
they
don't
want
to
take
materials
from
Curbside
collection,
so
they're
they're
looking
for
claim,
you
know
they
want
it
to
be
super
clean
and
dry
and
their
specs
are
pretty
rigid,
but
you
know
we
can
always
go
back
and
ask
the
you
know
that
specific
scenario
that
you
mentioned
as
far
as
what
is
the
city's
capacity
to
collect
or
process
like
we
don't
there's,
not
a
recycling
processor
here
right,
so
there's
a
separate
there's
a
private
recycling
company
like
tricks,
for
example,
is
the
largest
one,
and
so
what
happens
now
is
retailers
they
collect.
K
K
I
A
I
was
just
curious
if
Trek's
company
is
the
same
company
that
makes
Trex
decking
boards.
Is
that
okay
cool?
Thank
you.
B
G
Thank
you-
and
this
is
us
for
coming
to
present
to
us
anytime.
We
consider
an
ordinance
that
would
impact
the
entire
city.
It's
going
to
touch
multiple
departments
and
sanitation
is
just
one
of
those
key
partners
that
would
be
involved
if,
if
the
city
was
to
take
on
this
initiative,
so
I'm
going
to
share
some
updates
from
the
plastic
engagement.
G
So
some
key
takeaways
that
I
want
to
leave
you
with
today.
Is
that
there's
definitely
a
high
level
of
interest
in
this
issue,
particularly
from
residents
that
participated
in
the
survey.
But
we
still
have
some
missing
voices,
particularly
from
the
business
Community,
where
I
feel,
like
participation,
was
too
low
for
us
really
to
draw
any
conclusions
from
that
input.
And
so
we
need
to
look
at
you
know
now
that
we
have
some
data
and
we
have
some
gaps.
G
We
can
start
to
focus
in
on
getting
some
input
from
those
missing
voices
and
and
make
some
different
strategies,
because
we
know
a
survey
is
not
a
one-size-fits-all.
Are
the
only
you
know
the
only
tool
that
we
have
to
engage
with
folks
that
do
business
and
live
here
so
just
an
overview
of
what
we
did
the
survey
it's
still
online,
but
we
promoted
it
in
being
open
as
March
20th
to
June
30th,
and
in
that
time
we
received
6850
responses.
G
So
that's
pretty
high
for
a
city
survey
so
definitely
a
lot
of
interest,
but
primarily
those
were
from
residents,
but
the
survey
was
designed
to
be
for
both
residents
and
businesses.
Brick
and
mortar
businesses
in
particular
folks,
had
the
opportunity
to
answer
the
survey
from
both
perspectives.
If
that
resonated
with
them
or
just
one
or
the
other
which
made
it
I
guess
a
little
confusing,
also
Choose
Your,
Own
Adventure.
So
there's
some
pros
and
cons
to
that
approach.
G
We've
built
the
survey
questions
off
of
the
initial
engagement
effort
and
surveying
that
was
done
by
plastic.
Free
wnc,
then
also
from
the
internal
surveying
and
polling
that
we
did
with
City
staff,
and
then
we
reviewed
the
draft
survey
with
a
number
of
different
interest
groups.
So
one
was
the
sustainability
advisory
committee
in
coordination
with
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee,
so
that
was
great
cross
board
collaboration
that
I
love
to
see.
So
thank
you
all
for
helping
to
facilitate
and
make
that
happen.
G
We
also
reviewed
the
questions
with
some
representatives
from
Go
Local
and
the
Asheville
independent
restaurants,
as
well
as
plastic
free
wnc.
Before
we
finalize
those
questions,
the
surveys
were
available
in
English,
Spanish
and
Russian,
and
we
had
paper
surveys
that
were
available
at
recreation,
centers,
By
Request.
We
also
did
collaborations
with
mountain
true
and
the
Buncombe
County
communications
and
engagement
team
that
also
took
paper
surveys
out
into
the
community.
G
So
here
is
a
snapshot
of
some
of
our
Outreach
efforts,
I'm
not
going
to
read
through
them
all,
but
we
did
try
to
leverage
Partnerships,
as
I
mentioned,
with
classic
free
wnc,
with
Buncombe
County,
with
our
neighborhood
services
team,
with
our
community
and
economic
development
team
and
leverage,
some
of
our
local
media
and
social
media
as
well.
To
try
and
get
the
word
out
about
this,
so
some
Reflections
on
who
were
the
folks
that
were
answering
our
survey.
This
gives
you
a
little
snapshot
of
household
salary
that
people
reported
in
our
race
demographics.
G
G
So
there's
there
is
that,
but
what
we
do
is
we
take
a
look
at
the
demographics
and
we
compare
the
percentages
to
what
the
Census
Data
says.
We
have
to
see
if
we're
representative
in
that
percentage
category,
that's
reflective
of
our
population,
so
we
saw
not
as
many
folks
in
the
low
to
moderate
income
bracket
that
were
represented
in
terms
of
our
percentage
of
populations
according
to
census,
as
well
as
people
of
color.
That
percentage
was
also
lower,
yeah
and
then
census
data
we
also
added
for
zip
code.
G
So
this
just
kind
of
gives
you
a
spread
of
where
people
live
in
the
city
that
answered
this
survey
and
again
about
72
percent
were
home
owners,
and
so
that's
another
area
that
we
can
look
at
census.
Data
to
say,
is
a
little
high,
we're
underrepresented
by
renters
in
this
survey,
and
we
have
92
percent
saying
their
primary
mode
of
transportation.
Is
a
car
and
I
actually
checked
in
with
our
Transit
department
and
I?
G
Don't
think
we
have
local
numbers
for
that,
but
in
terms
of
the
National
Standard
that
actually
does
sync
up,
so
we
actually
do
meet
kind
of
that.
National
percentage
of
who's,
relying
on
transit
so
a
little
bit
more
about
the
actual
responses
themselves.
So
if
you
took
the
survey
which
I
hope
you
did,
there
were
some
questions
in
the
beginning
that
were
the
same
and
then
it
kind
of
spread
out
into
the
resident
or
the
business
perspective.
G
So
this
is
a
snapshot
of
kind
of
those
top
tier
questions
that
everybody
filled
out
regardless,
if
you
wanted
to
fill
it
out
as
a
business
owner
or
a
resident.
So
it
was
overwhelmingly
that
plastic
glitter
is
a
problem.
You
know
the
most
commonly
seen
plastic
glitter
that
was
reported
in
order
from
most
to
least
was
plastic
bags,
plastic
bottles
and
expanded
polystyrene
or
more
commonly
known
as
styrofoam
disposable,
foodware
products.
G
The
three
most
common
places
that
people
were
seeing
litter
in
their
neighborhoods
that
they
reported
was
roadways,
waterways
and
storm
drains.
So
all
of
those
had
over
50
percent,
as
reported
for
places
to
see
litter
and
then
the
the
number
one,
the
only
compliance
I
think
the
only
compliance
activity
that
got
over
50,
but
the
number
one
at
least
was
that
would
Support
Compliance
was
a
bag
program.
G
So
I
thought
those
were
interesting.
So
then,
going
specifically
down
into
just
the
resident
portion
of
the
survey,
we
see
a
high
level
of
support
for
folks
on
Banning,
both
plastic
bags
and
expanded
polystyrene,
but
we're
also
talking
to
people
who
are
already
kind
of
the
converted
right.
So
most
of
the
folks
that
responded
say
they
often
are
always
use
their
own
bags.
So
these
aren't
people
that,
and
they
also
you
know
low
to
medium
impact
on
their
lives.
G
So
not
folks
that,
with
this
change,
be
enacted
that
there
would
be
a
lot
of
change
required
on
their
part
from
their
day
to
day.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
as
we're
looking
at.
G
Who
are
those
missing
voices
still
the
source
which
I
think
is
helpful
for
us
in
helping
to
Target
our
next
phase
of
business
Outreach
of
like
where
these
products
come
from
in
people's
lives
was
primarily
grocery
stores
at
60
and
then
I
think
restaurants
came
in
at
22
and
then
everything
else
was
like
below
10
and
so
I
think
that
helps
us
really
focus
on
restaurants
and
Grocers.
G
As
we
look
at
this
next
phase
of
Engagement
with
the
business
community
and
then
also,
interestingly
enough,
only
39
reported
recycling
their
plastic
bags.
So
as
Jess
was
just
talking
about,
you
know
the
number
of
distribution
places
or
I
guess
not
just
Vision
collection
places
that
you
can
take
your
plastic
bags
to
to
be
recycled.
Most
people
are
not.
The
majority
of
people
who
responded
to
the
survey
are
utilizing
that
option.
Most
people
did
say
they
use
them
for
something
else.
G
They
repurpose
them
in
some
other
way
before
they
go
into
the
waste
stream,
but
did
think
that
was
interesting
in
terms
of
like
the
demand
for
actually
recycling
these
products.
G
So
again,
as
I
mentioned,
the
business
participation
was
a
lot
lower
than
we
had
hoped
and
we
had
gotten
no
participation
from
Grocers
and
most
of
the
businesses
that
participated.
Don't
utilize
these
products
in
their
business.
So
there's
no
impact
there,
because
we
ask
questions
about
impact
on
your
business.
We
ask
questions
about
what
products
you
offer
and
that
could
not
just
be
a
plastic
bag,
but
that
could
also
be
a
paper
bag
or
a
compostable
bag,
or
some
other
alternative
for
like
caring
things
right.
G
G
So
the
next
steps
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
are
to
look
at
strategies
that
are
going
to
get
increased
engagement
from
those
missing
voices,
so
impacted
businesses,
missing,
resident
voices
and
those
folks
out
there
that
aren't
utilizing
this
in
their
day-to-day.
That
would
be
surprised
or
heavily
impacted
should
an
ordinance
go
into
effect.
G
We've
looked
at
a
couple
of
different
strategies,
so
we've
tested
out,
we
put
out
a
request
for
quotes
for
ground
teams
looking
at
people
with
lived
experience
and
connection
in
the
community
that
are
interested
in
potentially
hosting
an
event
or
bringing
people
together
to
help
gather
that
input
and
so
we're
working
through
that
and
then
thinking
about.
G
How
is
the
way
that
we
start
to
Target
some
of
these
Grocers
some
of
these
restaurants
and
and
reach
out
to
them,
so
we're
trying
to
work
through
what
a
good
methodology
would
be,
recognizing
that
we
have
limited
staff
capacity
and
a
limited
amount
of
time
to
try
and
get
this
work
done
so
leave.
G
That's
all
I
have
so
again.
These
are
just
the
key
takeaways,
a
lot
of
interest,
a
lot
of
interest
from
folks
that
are
already
I
would
say
in
the
like
the
converted.
You
know
and
low
impact,
and
so
we
really
need
to
get
some
more
from
the
folks.
I
think
that
would
be
heavily
impacted,
should
an
ordinance
go
into
a
place
so
we're
looking
now
that
we
have
some
data
to
look
at
that
can
help
focus
our
efforts
as
we
think
about
some
different
engagement
strategies.
G
B
I
Oh,
my
I
was
I,
was
I,
read,
I,
read
your
presentation
and
was
disheartened
for
many
of
the
reasons
that
you
just
articulated
that
it
was
a
lot
of
self-selection
and
preaching
to
converted
that
showed
up
to
answer
these
questions
on
the
residential
side.
People
are
generally
appear
to
be
more
well
to
do.
70
some
percent
bring
their
own
bags
in
already,
so
that's
limited
helpfulness
and
the
question
on
the
missing
voices.
Residential
side
is,
as
you
say,
is
how
to
get
those
voices
one.
I
As
you
were
speaking,
one
thought
occurred
to
me
for
what
it's
worth
is
with
your
vast
staff.
That
I
know
is
available
to
do.
Work
like
this
is
setting
up,
maybe
setting
up
like
tables
outside
of
grocery
stores
or
outside
of
other
other
stores,
that
they
use
plastic,
that
have
plastic
bags
and
seeing
if
people
will
are
willing
to
stop
and
give
you
their
input.
According
to
you
know,
some
simplified
version
of
a
of
a
of
a
survey.
I
I,
don't
know
how
practical
that
is.
But
you
know
when
you,
when
you
see
people
checking
out
at
Target
as
I
did
this
morning:
they're
using
plastic
bags
right
left
and
getting
getting
their
input,
because
those
are
not
the
people
who
fill
out
these
questions,
and
then
you
know
on
the
business
side,
you're
you're,
probably
I,
don't
know
making
appointments
to
see
to
make
points
to
sit
down
with
someone
at
Ingles
or
right.
I
Someone
wherever
I,
don't
know
what
the
Staffing
capacity
is
to
do
that,
but
really
sort
of
trying
to
NAB
these
people
and
the
businesses
that
are
really
going
to
be
affected
by
this
and
getting
some
really
hard
feedback
would
be,
would
be
great
if,
if
Staffing
permitted,
my
two
cents.
G
Yeah
I
think
those
are
all
I
mean
that's
what
we're
trying
to
work
through
right
now
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
determine
a
methodology
so
that
we're
making
sure
that
wherever
we
Outreach
to
has
impacts
across
the
city,
because
we
can
only
go
to
so
many
places,
and
so
how
do
we
select
where
we
go?
What
days
and
times
do
we
go
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
getting
the
best
results
and
not
going
just
kind
of
haphazard
based
on
when
Bridget
and
Kiera
don't
have
a
meeting?
G
So
that's
a
tough
it's
a
tough
thing
to
do.
J
I
had
a
very
different
reaction
to
this
data.
I
thought
it
was
extremely
encouraging
and
basically
told
me
this
is
a
slam
dunk
in
the
community.
That's
what
I
saw
I,
don't
know
of
a
single
City
survey.
That's
had
more
responses.
J
J
And
it's
not
hotly
contested
I
understand
that
we're
that
there
are
some
voices,
absent,
I,
think
it's
important
that
we
get
to
our
bipoc
communities
and
our
low-income
communities
in
in
for
it.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
understand.
We
want
to
talk
to
the
impacted
businesses,
but
also,
if
you
came
and
knocked
on
my
door
and
said,
hey
can
I
regulate,
you
I
think
we
know
what
they're
gonna
say.
So,
if
we're
seeing
this
much
support
from
our
communities,
I'm
not
trying
to
be
Cavalier
and
I'm
not
trying
to
rush
it.
B
I
Seven
percent
is
a
big
number
for
surveys,
but
I
think
the
hard
question
you
have
to
ask
is:
how
representative
is
that
seven
percent
of
the
community,
in
particular
those
who
use
and
rely
on
single-use
plastic
bags,
so
the
the
raw
number
itself,
I,
don't
think,
gets
you
gets
you
there
and
I?
Think
it's
really
important
to
hear
from
people
from
everyone
else
is.
J
Context
that
we
barely
have
30
voter
participation,
so
so
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
a
significant
we're
not
going
to
get
responses
like
I
just
want
to
offer
the
context
that,
yes,
this
is
not
representative
of
the
full
community.
I
get
that
and
in
a
policy
context,
this
amount
of
contribution.
Anyone
who
participates
in
the
survey
is
the
choir,
whether
they
love
the
choir
or
they
hate
the
choir.
That's
just
the
nature
of
that
type
of
Engagement.
I
Point
made
on
I
take
your
point
on
on
residential.
We
got
nothing
back
on
business.
We
need
to
hear
from
those
people
and
I
understand
your
point.
If
you're
going
to
go
up
there
and
say
Ingles,
do
you
want
to
how
about
we
ban
plastic
bags?
I,
don't
know
I,
wouldn't
I
want
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say.
What
the
impact
on
cost
is
what
a
restaurant
that,
if
you're
going
to
tell
them,
they
can't
use
styrofoam
what
that's
going
to
mean
for
them.
I
I'm,
maybe
I'm
naive,
but
I
I
hope
that
we
would
get
be
able
to
get
some
kind
of
meaningful
ideas
about
what
kind
of
impact
it's
going
to
have
and
take
that
into
consideration.
So
that's
my
and.
G
G
You
know
what
alternatives
you
have
where
you're
purchasing
these
materials
and
and
if
support
was
needed.
What
would
it
look
like
because
there's
no
point
in
US
designing
a
program
to
support
people
in
a
transition
that
they
don't
need
right
so
figuring
out?
Who
might
need
that
support
and
what
it
would
look
like.
So
any
you
know,
implementation
plan
that
came
in
place
was
informed
by
those
needs.
C
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
add
to
this
I
think
it's
really
important
to
to
listen
to
both
of
the
presentations
and
it
is
encouraging
one.
We
know
the
city
does
not
have
the
capacity
to
deal
with
the
waste,
the
plastic
waste
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
going
to
be
a
solution
there
where
the
city
can
take.
This
on.
C
Also,
there's
large
support
for
a
change.
Yes
and
I
and
I
do
see
the
plastic
bag
half
full
approach.
We
would
love
to
hear
from
more
people.
I
think
engagement
from
the
citizens,
I
think.
Overall,
every
Department
would
like
to
have
more
engagement
from
our
citizens.
C
It's
a
big
change
but
I
think,
like
anything,
the
use
of
plastic
bags
has
become
more
of
a
habit
and
that
habit
needs
to
change.
It
should
not
be
automatic
you're
at
the
grocery
store
and
your
bag
or
bags
double
bagged
every
item
and
puts
three
things
in
that
bag.
C
So
you
know
it's
it's
a
matter
of
changing
habits
and
getting
people
to
look
at
things
differently.
This
isn't
going
to
happen
overnight.
There
are
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
pissed
off,
but
there's
also
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
that
are
really
happy,
so
I
think
the
presentation
that
both
Bridget
and
Jess
put
together
today
really
shows
us
that
we
have
an
issue
that
we
have
to
address
and
that
we
have
a
good
amount
of
support
for
making
a
change.
C
I
commend
both
of
you
and
Maggie
for
your
work
prior
as
well.
This
is
not
easy
and
it's
definitely
not
something.
That's
going
to
happen
overnight,
but
it's
great
I
think
the
biggest
thing
we
can
do
is
just
continue
to
try
and
find
more
voices.
But
at
some
point
we
have
to
say
we
have
collected
the
data
we
now
have
to
move
forward,
and
what
does
that
look
like.
I
Just
quick,
quick
question:
what's
the
time,
what's
the
timeline
for
going
forward
on
this.
I
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
new
business
and
first
up
is
Asheville
Buncombe
food
policy,
Council
contract
activity,
update
with
Gina
Smith.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
M
So,
just
a
little
background
about
the
food
policy
Council
really
quickly,
we
did
form
in
2011.,
so
we've
been
around
for
a
while,
and
we
continue
to
be
made
up
of
community
members
and
representatives
of
non-profits
neighborhood
leaders.
We
have
a
broad
range
of
folks
who
participate
and
our
mission
is
to
identify,
propose
and
advocate
for
policies
Etc
to
improve
and
protect
our
local
food
system.
M
So
just
a
few
highlights
of
the
past
fiscal
year,
we
have
been
for
the
past
three
years,
part
of
the
leadership
for
the
Western
North
Carolina
food
Justice
planning
initiative,
which
is
working
in
several
strategy
areas
over
18
counties
in
Western,
North
Carolina
on
food
Justice,
and
that
group
is
moving
towards
forming
a
501c3,
the
wnc
Food
Systems
Coalition.
So
that's
been
a
really
exciting
thing.
M
We've
been
working
on
we're
also
continuing
to
provide
leadership
for
the
food
Waste
Solutions
wnc
Coalition,
which
is
a
group
of
organizations
from
all
over
the
the
Western
North
Carolina
region,
who
lots
of
different
folks
are
part
of
this
group.
Unca
waste
reduction,
Partners
the
city,
for
example,
and
we
do
a
lot
of
educational
work
in
in
the
community
around
food
waste
reduction.
M
So
the
deliverables
for
those
action
items
I'll
get
into
now.
The
first
is
this
report,
so
I
can
check
that
one
off.
Second,
is
the
Neighborhood
emergency
food
preparedness
plans.
We've
been
collaborating,
like
I
said,
with
those
two
neighborhoods
with
East
End
Valley
street.
We
have
finalized
with
their
their
emergency
food
preparedness
plan
and
they
have
drafted
an
implementation
plan
and
at
their
last
meeting
in
April
they
did
choose
a
new
neighborhood
project
leader
to
lead
the
implementation
phase.
M
Her
name
is
Sharon,
green
and
through
funding
that
we
have
secured
from
the
Community
Foundation
we're
able
to
offer
Sharon
some
compensation
for
her
time.
In
doing
this,
which
is
great
with
Dave
review,
they
have
completed
their
neighborhood
input
surveys
and
they
have
developed
a
draft
Neighborhood
emergency
food
plan
and
so
they're
going
to
continue
to
gather
a
little
more
input
on
the
draft
plan.
Finalize
it
and
then
work
on
looking
at
some
prioritizing
some
action
items
the
photo
I
have.
M
M
The
next
steps
for
these
neighborhoods
are,
like
I,
said,
working
with
Sharon
green
we're
going
to
support
Sharon
and
the
neighborhood
association
to
begin
pursuing
their
plan
implementation
right
now,
Sharon
is
pulling
together
a
committee
to
to
work
on
this
and
in
deep
review,
like
I,
said
we're
Gathering
the
input
continuing
to
gather
input
on
the
draft
plan
and
finalize
in
working
with
the
two
neighborhood
leaders.
M
We
have
indeed
reviewed
to
develop
their
implementation
plan
and
in
general
we
just
want
to
work
with
both
neighborhoods
to
support
them
in
identifying
potential
areas
for
policy
advocacy
around
this
work
and
also
I
wanted
to
mention
in
the
past,
with
our
city,
deliverables.
We've
had
these
outdoor
pantries
have
been
part
of
part
of
that
they
weren't
this
year,
but
we've
continued
that
work
because
they've
been
very
popular.
M
We've
secured
other
funding
streams
to
support
that.
We
now
have
five
pantries
in
four
different
neighborhoods
in
Asheville.
We
have
them
in
Shiloh,
Easton,
Valley,
Street,
Deaver,
View
and
south
side,
and
the
most
recent
one
went
in
at
Grant
Center
and
the
artist
cleester
cotton
and
her
youth
artists
are
painting
that
as
we
speak,
they
do
it
on
Wednesdays
and
they
should
be
finishing
soon
and
there's
going
to
be
a
pantry
kit
project
happening
at
the
weekend.
M
Yeah.
Another
thing
that
has
come
out
of
our
neighborhood
emergency
food
preparedness
work
is
recognition
of
the
need
that
these
communities
have
have
mentioned
the
need
for
Community
Refrigeration.
So
we
have
a
Buncombe
County
tipping
Grant
this
year,
Tipping
Point
Grant
this
year
that
is
supporting
us
working
with
the
city
of
Asheville
to
to
look
at
developing
policy
around
Community,
Refrigeration,
Oakley
and
Shiloh
are
both
neighborhoods.
That
we've
been
in
in
conversations
with
about
this
and
they're,
both
very
interested
in
having
Community
Refrigeration
and
the
photo
is
just.
M
M
C
is
the
Asheville
Edibles
map,
so
the
food
policy
Council
has
been
working
with
the
city
for
the
past
two
years
on
changes
to
the
map
and
we
are
getting
to
the
point
when
we
launched
the
food
policy
council
is
going
to
support
promoting
that
launch
and
then
it's
going
to
transition
to
Bountiful
cities
who
will
do
be
maintaining
the
map
and
so
Bountiful
cities
is
also
coordinating
with
the
city
of
Asheville
office
of
sustainability
and
I.T
on
developing
a
plan
for
data
management
and
systems
updates
and
maintenance.
M
And
food
Waste
Solutions,
we
we
do
quarterly
leadership
meetings.
We
do.
We
have
several
working
groups
in
in
our
food
Waste
Solutions
group
and
the
food
policy
Council
supports
their
convenings.
We
also
do
quarterly
networking
public
facing
networking
meetings
where
we
invite
folks
out
to
to
participate
and
do
educational
activities
and
networking.
M
Thank
you.
This
is
a
photo
of
Kira
at
one
of
our
quarterly
networking
events
that
was
at
wedge
brewing
in
August.
We
tend
to
have
really
good
turnouts
for
these
events.
We
usually
have
around
30
to
40
folks
who
come
out,
and
usually
we
have
lots
of
new
people
in
the
mix,
which
is
great.
We
also
have
a
lot
of
Community
Partners
who
like
to
be
involved.
The
wnc
Farmers
Market
has
been
involved
in
these.
We
have
businesses
like
DJ's,
pickles
Who,
come
out
and
do
demos
they're,
really
fun.
M
So
April
was
food
waste
reduction
month
in
Asheville,
as
you
probably
know,
and
the
food
policy
Council
supports
food
Waste
Solutions
with
that
social
media
campaign
that
we
do
all
month
long
and
also
we
since
last
year,
we've
been
doing
the
taste
it
don't
wasted.
Asheville
Chef's,
challenge
to
sort
of
cap
off
food
waste
reduction
month.
That's
an
in-person
culinary
event
also
super
fun.
It
serves
as
one
of
our
quarterly
networking
events,
and
this
year
we
had
over
a
hundred
people
come
out.
M
B
D
I
was
just
it's
great
to
hear
your
update.
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
were
working
with
other,
like
Interfaith
initiatives,
because
I
know
I
work,
I,
volunteered
community
garden
in
the
county,
and
we
donate
80
of
our
food
to
churches
that
run
food
pantries
and
do
have
refrigeration
and
so
I'm.
Just
wondering.
Has
there
been
that
collaboration,
maybe
with
other
besides
businesses
like
Interfaith
partners,.
M
With
churches,
you
know,
particularly
with
our
community
Refrigeration
I've,
been
having
conversations
with
churches
and
we
do
have
churches
participating
in
some
capacities
in
different
ways.
St
James
Church
in
East
End,
has
been
a
partner
for
a
few
years.
Now
they
they
actually
maintain
one
of
the
pantries
right
in
front
of
their
church.
So
we
do
yes,
periodically
have
have
Partnerships
with
churches.
It
just
depends
on
what
project
we're
working
on.
B
A
Sounds
like
you
guys
are
doing
some
really
awesome.
Stuff
I
was
curious
if
the
the
edible
map
that
you
are
doing
with
Bountiful
cities,
if
it
also
has
information
on
the
plant,
like
you,
know,
identification
when
to
pick
I
mean
I.
Just
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
seen
people
standing
around
a
mulberry
or
a
pawpaw
I'm.
C
M
M
This
has
some
more
bells
and
whistles
and
I
think
it's
a
little
more
visually
appealing
and
interactive
and
we're
changing
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
if
Kate's
going
to
be
speaking
about
this.
She
might
elaborate
about
this
in
her
presentation,
but
we're
changing
the
way
that
the
community
can
input
their
information.
M
So
it's
still
crowdsourced,
but
instead
of
just
putting
it
directly
in
to
the
the
map
platform,
people
are
going
to
be
going
through
the
Bountiful
cities
website,
I
believe
to
to
put
in
their
information,
and
there
will
be
some
folks
with
the
community
garden
Network
who
are
going
to
be
taking
that
information
and
checking
it
and
and
doing
a
little
bit
of
work
around
that.
So
it's
not
just
going
directly
to
the
map.
Now.
B
B
M
L
I'm
going
to
say
hello
and
then
I'm
going
to
tear
my
camera
off,
because
I
have
to
be
on
my
phone
because
my
computer
won't.
Let
me
use
sound
right
now.
I'm,
just
gonna
put
my
phone
down
before
I
get
started,
I
will
say
as
far
as
the
map
goes
it.
If
you
hover
over,
when
you
get
on
the
map,
you
hover
over
the
dot
or
click
on
it,
it
will
say
like
Serviceberry
here's
when
it's
you
can
Harvest
it
and
here's
what
you
can
use
it
for
and
all
of
that
information.
L
Some
of
that
is
going
to
the
input
by
us,
but
some
of
it
could
be
input
just
by
the
community.
So
there
may
you
know
we'll
have
to
have
some
sort
of
like
check
on
that
to
make
sure
that
it's
like
Wikipedia.
L
You
know
you're
like
this
is
entered
by
somebody
else,
and
we
have
to
double
check
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear,
so
we're
still
working
out
all
of
the
details
on
that,
but
it
should
have
some
of
that
with
pictures
and
location
and
all
of
those
things
so
I'm
Kate
Justin
with
Bountiful
cities,
and
we
do
work
in
Asheville
and
Buncombe
County
with
Urban
agriculture,
big
picture.
L
Our
specific
work
with
the
city
of
Asheville
is
with
the
food
policy
Council
and
with
the
community
garden
Network,
and
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
in
our
current
contract.
We
have
three
areas
that
we're
working
one.
The
first
one
is
to
support
the
maintenance
of
the
edible
Parks.
The
edible
parks
are
the
it's
like
the
edible
Forest,
so
it's
the
trees,
edible
Parks.
L
So
we
have
the
the
food
forests
and
the
Community
Gardens
that
grow
like
annuals
and
perennial
food,
also
supporting
the
Neighborhood
emergency
food
plan,
activities,
infrastructure
and
signage.
So
it's
getting
stuff
up,
buying
supplies,
helping
them
to
get
the
things
that
they
need
to
implement
their
plan.
L
And
this
is
just
some
of
the
highlights
of
what
we
have
been
doing.
We
hold
20
help
host
20
Community
work
days
at
the
edible
Parks,
that's
George,
Washington
Carver
over
at
Tempe
Avery,
and
then
the
West
Nashville,
edible
Park
that
focuses
on
tree
maintenance,
making
sure
invasives
are
removed.
Looking
at
you
know
how
those
trees
are
doing,
that
they
don't
have
disease.
What
kinds
of
additional
support
we
would
need
to
bring
in
if
there's
something
going
on
with
any
of
the
trees
that
are
fruit
or
food
producing.
L
We
are
piloting
doing
some
educational
workshops,
along
with
the
work
days
at
Tempe,
Avery
and
working
with
the
youth
that
is
there
for
after
school
programming
and
that's
been
going
pretty
well,
we
have
another
one
tomorrow,
they're
going
to
be
planting
a
salsa
Garden
in
the
gardens
that
are
underneath
the
I
think
it's
service,
berries
that
are
planted
there.
L
L
That
was
pretty
cool
and
then
we've
been
working
really
closely
with
the
folks
at
Stevens
Lee
Eastern
Valley,
neighborhood
association,
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
about
the
tree
canopy
over
at
George,
Washington
Carver,
it's
it's
a
very
large
and
established
Green
Space,
and
so
some
of
the
bigger
trees
are
now
casting
too
much
shade
over
the
smaller
fruit
bearing
trees
that
are
underneath
them,
and
some
of
the
fruit
bearing
trees
are
getting
really
large
as
well,
and
so
we
have
to
have
other
folks
be
able
to
come
in
to
take
care
of
those.
L
L
But
that's
been
going
really
well
to
figure
out
how
to
move
that
forward
and
then
we've
been
continuing
to
make
signs
and
install
signs
on
the
trees.
So
when
folks
walk
through
the
edible
Forest
when
they're
looking
around
and
they're
saying,
oh
I
wonder
what
this
is:
there's
a
sign
there.
That
says,
you
know
this
is
a
walnut
tree
and
this
is
a
apple
tree
or
whatever
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
I
have
some
photos:
the
George
Washington
Carver
Park.
You
know
we
have
monthly
work
days.
L
It's
currently
has
been
the
fourth
Friday
of
every
month,
they're
moving
it
to
the
third
Friday
moving
forward,
and
they
have
a
great
group
of
people
that
come
out
pretty
regularly.
There's
a
pretty
large
group
of
folks-
and
you
can
just
go
through
there's
just
a
few
pictures
on
here
and,
like
I
said
they
are
doing
a
lot
of
they're,
just
general
maintenance
in
the
area
we're
working
on
getting
them
their
own
tools,
so
they
have
what
they
need.
They
are
organizing
themselves.
L
L
And
so
that
has
been
really
great
with
them
and
that's
just
more
pictures
of
George,
Washington
Carver
and
then
the
Stevens
Lee
community
garden
is
also
at
that
same
location.
I'll
talk
about
that
in
just
a
minute,
but
they
have
put
in
some
raised
beds
and
have
some
annuals
planted
that
the
community
is
able
to
use
and
eat
from
those
spaces
as
well.
The
next
picture
has
a
little
up
close
of
the
garden
beds
and
what
they're
growing
in
there,
and
then
this
is
located.
L
If
you
see
on
the
picture
on
the
right
behind
that
tree,
where
that
shed
is
that's
one
of
the
compost
drop-off
sites
as
well,
that
y'all
were
talking
about
earlier
and
then
the
next
few
slides
are
of
the
West
Asheville
Park
and
community
garden.
They
just
this
was
right
after
they
did
mulching
at
the
West
Asheville
Community
or
the
for
the
food
Forest
there.
L
If
you
look
to
the
right,
they
have
installed
a
spigot,
so
they
can
actually
water
things
now
and
not
just
depend
on
hopefully
getting
rain
when
we
will,
whenever
we
get
it
and
then
the
next
picture
has
the
the
Community
Gardens
that
were
installed
and
the
season
extension
that
was
used
this
past
winter
to
try
to
get
some
of
the
greens
to
stay
a
little
bit
longer
down
there
and
they
had
a
really
great
group
of
folks
who
are
doing
most
of
the
work
again.
L
So
the
second
piece
that
we're
working
on
is
within
the
community
garden
Network.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
through
that
we
do
monthly
newsletters
that
have
educational
information
and
events
and
Community
connections
stuff
in
there.
That
goes
out
to
The
Community
guard
Network.
Listserv
folks
can
also
use
that
listserv
to
put
out
needs
or
to
say
I
have
extra
things
so,
like
I
have
you
know
Two
Flats
of
extra
tomatoes
who
would
like
them
or
I
need
compost?
L
Does
anybody
have
extra
I
only
need
you
know
x,
amount
or
something
like
that,
so
it's
a
great
way
for
Community
Gardens
to
communicate
with
each
other,
and
then
we
moderate
that
so,
if
something's
put
out
there
nobody
answers,
then
we
can
look
into
it
and
say
hey.
Why
don't
you
connect
with
this
person
because
I
know
they
have
a
need
for
tomatoes?
They
just
didn't
see
this
email.
L
We
also
do
educational
workshops.
We
are
doing
them
all
in
person
again,
which
is
great
because
doing
virtual
gardening
workshops
is
not
really
exciting
for
most
people
and
those
those
workshops
are
about
a
variety
of
things.
Sometimes
it
is
about.
You
know,
cooking
food,
what
to
do
with
it,
how
to
harvest
things.
L
Sometimes
it's
about
maintenance
and
Care
planning
for
gardening
and
how
to
work
in
a
community
garden,
and
then
we
also
do
networking
activities
as
well,
where
we'll
have
a
short
workshop
and
then
afterwards,
a
potluck
where
folks
can
just
sit
and
talk
to
each
other
and
kind
of
brainstorm.
What
they're
doing
in
their
Gardens
a
big
push
this
past
year
was
on
season
extension
materials
and
part
of
that
is
because
they
get
used
and
sometimes
destroyed.
L
So,
for
example,
we
had
a
little
hoop
house
at
one
of
the
gardens
and
a
bear
just
walked
through
it
and
there's
really
not
much.
You
can
do
about
that
because
they're
gonna
break
the
polls
and
rip
through
the
plastic,
and
you
know
we
can
try
to
mend
it
and
reuse
things,
but
we
end
up
having
to
replace
a
lot
of
that
stuff
when
things
like
that
happen.
L
So
the
next
couple
of
pictures
are
just
of
our
workshops
and
the
workshops
are
hosted
in
different
community
gardens
around
Asheville,
sometimes
they're
on
city
property,
sometimes
they're
in
some
of
the
privately
owned
Community,
Gardens
or
Gardens
that
are
on
private
land,
and
it
just
depends
on
the
workshop
and
the
facilitator.
L
The
next
picture
has
three
different
varieties.
One
was
a
cooking
demonstration
that
was
done
outside
second
one
I
think
that
was
at
Stevens
Lee.
So
there
was
an
actual
slideshow
presentation
that
was
done
and
then
the
last
one
was
in
this.
Was
this
winter
and
it
was
working
with
Asheville
tool
Library,
so
they
hosted
it,
and
then
we
brought
folks
out
to
work
with
them
as
well,
where
they
could
actually
help
repair
folks
tools,
which
was
really
great.
L
The
next
picture
is
it's
just
our
community,
our
Network
newsletter
that
goes
out
every
month.
We
do
it
in
English
and
Spanish
right
now
and
try
to
get
we
work
with
several
Gardens,
who
are
primarily
Spanish
speaking
and
make
sure
that
we
have
ways
to
connect
folks
with
each
other.
L
That
way
as
well,
and
the
last
part
of
this
is
I've
already
spoken
about
some
of
this
with
those
previous
pictures
that
you
know,
we
do
have
some
really
great
leaders
who
are
doing
some
work,
but
we've
also
had
some
turnover
in
leadership.
L
So
you
know
that's
one
of
the
hard
things
with
Community
Gardens.
Is
that
it's
folks
who
live
there
and
have
time
and
capacity,
but
then
that
changes
sometimes?
And
so
then
you
have
a
brand
new
person
who
comes
in,
which
is
great,
because
there's
new
ideas
and
new
energy
and
new
excitement,
but
also
then
there's
this
need
for
someone
to
be
there.
That
has
the
story,
and
so
we
serve
as
as
that
person.
So
we
are
able
to
say
hey.
This
is
what
why
the
Murray
Hill
Garden
was
started,
what's
been
happening.
L
Several
of
the
gardens
were
on
the
urban
Gardens
tour
last
summer,
and
we
have
more
that
are
going
to
be
on
the
Urban
Garden
Tour
this
coming
year,
I
had
already
mentioned
the
water
spigot
at
West
Asheville,
and
we're
just
doing
a
lot
of
help
in
planning
right
now.
That's
that
seems
to
be
the
biggest
problem.
Is
that
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
stuff
and
and
even
the
things
that
y'all
have
been
talking
about
before
is
having
that
for
individuals
and
for
Community
had
to
have
capacity
for
this
stuff?
L
They
just
need
support
and
somebody
to
talk
through
it
with
so,
if
they're
talking
through
you
know
well,
I
want
to
plant
all
of
these
varieties
and
then
we'll
say
well,
that's
really
great,
but
your
garden
bed
is
only
you
know,
it's
only
a
quarter
of
an
acre,
and
so
how
much
can
you
actually
feasibly
actually
produce
there
and
and
then
we
can
help
them
to
break
that
out
and
look
at
budget
and
all
of
those
things
and
then,
if
you
want
to
go
through
the
last
couple
of
pictures,
there's
the
West,
Asheville,
Park
and
community
garden,
the
that's
a
an
example
of
one
of
the
signs
that
we
made.
L
That
has
a
lot
more
information.
Some
of
the
signs
that
we
make
are
just
identification
signs,
but
some
of
them
can
have
more
information
and
then
they
build
a
little
cover
over
it
as
well.
So
we
can
hopefully
have
it
last
a
little
bit
longer
and
then
the
picture
on
the
right
is
of
Elder
and
Sage,
which
is
downtown
and
that's
also
Elder
and
sage,
and
then
the
final
one
is
down
at
West
Asheville.
L
Again,
that's
one
of
their
work
days
and
Community
engagement,
things
where
they
all
came
down
and
painted
the
garden
beds.
L
That
is
it
some
questions.
B
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
Kate,
a
big
fan
of
the
work
that
you
do.
I
just
had
one
question,
I
know
maybe
10
12
years
ago,
y'all
were
having
some
issues
with
Parks
and
Rec,
and
a
maintenance
issue
with
establishing
plants
and
communication
with
City,
Parks
and
Rec.
Has
that
all
been
resolved?
Is
there
anything
that
y'all
have
as
sort
of
issues
or
hindrances
in
terms
of
communication
with
with
the
city
or
just
from
a
maintenance
standpoint.
L
Yeah
I
I
will
say
that
any
communication
issues
that
happen
with
any
maintenance.
It's
not
specific
to
the
city,
it
happens,
kind
of
everywhere
it
happened.
We
work
with
schools,
School
Gardens
as
well
and
there's
just
turnover.
So
usually
it's
very
unintentional
issues
and
we
work
really
hard
to
have
ongoing
communication
and
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
what's
going
on
and
sometimes
a
new
person
comes
in
and
then
mows
over
the
entire
herb
garden
and
they
just
didn't
know
they're
not
intentionally
trying
to
like
destroy
anything.
L
But
we
I
mean
that
just
happened
at
Lucy
s
Herring
a
month
ago
where
there
were
like
signs
that
were
like
pollinator
garden
and
work
with
the
bees.
It's
like
an
educational
garden
and
there's
all
this
stuff
and
we
came
in
on
Monday
and
it
was
like
completely
leveled
like
they
mowed
the,
and
it
was
you
know
it
was
inside
rocks
and
it
wasn't.
It
came
back
and
it
looks
beautiful,
there's
flowers
again
and
nobody
like
it
was
not
ill
intent
and
it
happens
all
the
time.
L
L
It
happens
in
neighborhoods
too.
So
it's
not.
You
know
like.
Oh,
it's
just
the
bigger
folks
that
are
just
not
paying
attention,
but.
L
Just
don't
know,
and,
and
so
there's
a
big
piece
of
education
and
communication,
we
are
really
trying
to
work
hard
with
Parks
and
Rec
to
be
engaged
in
like
we're
having
this
event
at
the
at
your
place.
You
know
we're
doing
this
thing
at
the
West
Asheville
Park.
Here
we
are
again
at
the
West
Asheville
Park
we're
going
to
be
here
again
at
Stevens
Lee.
You
know
like
so
we're
doing
that
a
lot
more.
H
Yeah
great
repetition,
it
definitely
helps
well
good
to
know.
I
was
also
just
curious
what
your
sort
of
five
to
ten
year
vision
is
for
Bountiful
cities
and,
if
there's
anything
that
we
with
the
sac
can
do
to
support
you
all.
L
I
will
say
that
our
current
right
now
is
to
work
to
support
the
neighborhoods
I
think
that
we've
seen
a
lot
of
folks
stepping
into
neighborhoods
and
doing
things
for
them
or
creating
dependency
on
ourselves
for
that
like
well,
we
can't
do
this
unless
Bountiful
cities
is
here
because
they
know
they're
the
ones
who
know
we
don't
know
we'd
like
to
give
them
the
knowledge
and
give
them
the
information,
give
them
the
tools
and
say
you
all
actually
can
do
this
and
we're
here
to
support
you.
It's
your
garden,
it's
your
space.
L
What
do
you
need
so
that
could
take
a
year
or
five
or
ten?
You
know
with
each
Community,
it's
different
and
Gina
spoke
to
that
in
you
know:
Eastern
Valley
neighborhood,
there's
a
lot
going
on
there
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
doing
stuff
in
the
Deep
review.
Neighborhood
it's
a
little
bit
harder
and
part
of
that
is
because
of
capacity,
and
we
find
that
in
this
in
the
school
Gardens
we
find
that
in
the
community
gardens
where
you
know
one
school,
their
PTO
is
real
strong.
L
They
have
a
lot
of
buy-in
and
support
in
the
other.
One
they're
just
dealing
with
a
lot
of
other
issues
and
I
think
that
that
is,
you
know
even
listening
to
the
plastic
conversation,
the
reason
that
you're
not
getting
information,
maybe
from
some
folks
is
they
just
they're
like
yeah.
It's
a
big
deal
and
also
I.
Don't
have
time
for
that
right
now,
I
need
to
figure
out
how
to
feed
my
family
or
get
to
work.
I,
don't
have
transportation
I,
don't
have
any
shoes.
You
know,
like
the
other.
L
Things
are
a
much
bigger
problem
in
their
Forefront
Vision
that
it's
not
that
you
know
growing
food
is
not
important
to
them,
but
it's
just
easier
to
go
to
buy
something.
That's
already
made
right
now,
because
they
just
don't
have
capacity
for
it.
So
you
know
it's
working
with
everybody
wherever
they're
at
and
it
is
a
it's
an
entirely
slow
process
and
I
think
that
the
hard
part
with
the
presentation
like
this
is
I'm
like
look.
H
Well,
so
thankful
I
really
believe
that
the
the
issue
with
the
food
policy
Council
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
with
Foods
food
insecurity
is
only
going
to
increase
in
our
city
with
time,
and
you
know,
as
our
city
becomes
a
spot
on
the
map
for
climate,
resiliency
and
people
are,
are
moving
here
and
want
to
live
here
because
of
issues
in
other
cities
and
other
communities.
H
This
this
access
to
good,
healthy
food
is
is
a
critical
piece
to
that
yeah
and
with
lack
of
potential
resources
on
the
horizon.
We're
gonna
be
in
a
scenario,
maybe
50
or
60
harvests,
where
or
years
Harvest
years,
where
we're
not
going
to
have
access
to
transportation,
to
bring
in
food
from
Ecuador
and
Mexico,
and
it's
going
to
be
important
to
be
able
to
grow
it
here.
So
I
appreciate
everything
that
y'all
are
doing.
It's
amazing.
L
Thank
you
and,
and
I
will
say
one
other
thing
with
that
it.
There
is
one
of
the
other
things
that
we're
really
focusing
on
with
folks
is
the
feeling
like
it's
okay
to
eat
food
off
of
public
land
or
or
city-owned
land?
There's
this
barrier
that
exists
where
people
who
are
used
to
being
able
to
walk
through
a
public
space
and
kind
of
do
what
they
want
are
like.
L
Oh
I
can
pick
this
apple
and
eat
it,
where
other
folks
are
used
to
being
questioned
about
what
they're
doing
there
or
why
they're
taking
it
or
have
to
explain
or
Justify
themselves
and
they're
going
to
walk
right
bad
by
the
Apple.
They
might
look
at
it
and
be
like.
Oh
I
really
want
to
pick
that
Apple.
But
that's
not
for
me
that
I
can't
take
that,
because
that
is
on
their
land
and
that's
not
my
land.
L
So
there's
we're
working
on
that,
as
well
as
like
changing
that
perception
and
that's
a
hard
one,
because
that
is
like
an
ingrained
piece
in
some
folks
that
it
is
the
only
land
that's
mine
has
been
taken
away
or
has
never
been
owned
by
someone
like
me:
I,
don't
own
anything
I,
rent,
I'm
transient,
whatever
it
is,
and
so
there's
there's
that
piece
that
sometimes
the
most
the
people
who
need
the
food,
the
most
will
pass
it
by
and
those
of
us
who
do
have
access
and
feel
safe
grabbing.
That
Apple
will.
L
So
that's
that's
another
one
of
the
focus
areas.
That's
not
a
really!
That's!
Not
a
deliverable
I!
Don't
know
how
to
report
on
that.
You
know
it's
like
how
many
people
like
more
fresh
vegetables
because
of
this
I
don't
know
it's
self-reported.
It's
really
hard
to
get
that
information,
but
but
that
is
a
Focus
right
now
as
well.
B
E
B
You
well
stated,
and
we
appreciate
your
passion
and
looks
like
we're
on
a
sinking
ship
and
we're
losing
passengers
here.
It.
B
30.
I
know
we
covered
old
business
and
that
new
business
and
there's
no
middle
business,
I
guess
the
middle
is
missing
again.
So
with
that
we're
going
to
go
to
public
comment,
is
there
any
public
on
that
Bridget.
B
Okay,
so
that
comments
the
email
from
Mr
McKinley
was
that
was
the
only
one.
Okay
and
does
it
need
to
be
presented
today
or
I?
Guess
we've
responded,
you.