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A
B
Good
afternoon,
everyone
I'm
chair
kite,
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
november
11th
2020
historic
resources.
Commission
meeting
the
hrc
is
a
quasi-judicial
board
body
that
is
governed
by
the
north
carolina
general
statutes,
the
city
of
asheville's,
unified
development,
ordinance
and
buncombe
county
ordinance.
B
All
commissioners
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
commission
meetings
a
bit
differently
than
normal.
We
are
streaming
live
on
the
city's
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website,
as
well
as
through
the
link
on
the
hrc
webpage.
B
855-925-2800
and
entering
code
9384
welcome
to
all
of
you
that
are
joining
us
today.
I
will
now
ask
all
of
the
commission
members
who
are
participating
to
introduce
themselves.
Please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if
you're,
not
speaking,
and
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak
to
speak
unmute
your
microphone.
Please
remember
to
mute
yourself
after
you're
done.
Commission
members,
as
I
call
your
name,
please
say
a
quick
hello,
vice
chair
eakins
all
right,
mr
hornaday.
C
D
G
B
To
help
our
audience
follow
along,
I
will
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
aloud
and
will
ask
for
a
vocal
roll
call
vote,
roll
call
for
each
vote.
We
will
consider
the
minutes
from
the
october
2020
meeting
of
the
hrc.
The
meeting
the
minutes
include
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
for
certificates
of
appropriateness.
H
I
move
that
the
that
we
adopt
the
october
14
2020
minutes
and
finding
some
facts
and
conclusions
of
law.
I
B
Okay,
that
was
a
motion
by
vice
chair
eakins
and
a
second
by
ms
watson.
I
will
confirm
that
with
a
roll
call
vote
vice
chair,
eagans.
H
D
B
B
B
The
hrc
will
use
judgment
and
discretion
to
apply
these
standards
contained
in
the
relevant
guidelines
to
the
facts.
The
commissioners,
in
voting
for
an
item
will
not
have
a
fixed
opinion.
Not
susceptible
to
change
will
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
and
will
not
have
engaged
in
ex-parte
communication
regarding
the
application.
B
At
this
time
I
will
administer
the
oath
for
all
individuals
who
intend
to
provide
witness
testimony.
I
understand
that
some
folks
with
applications
are
already
present
in
the
meeting
and
that
we
may
repeat
this
exercise
as
folks
join
for
applications
further
down
in
the
agenda
or,
as
the
public
may
wish
to
comment.
So
this
may
happen
a
few
times
over
the
course
of
this
meeting
today.
B
D
E
E
K
E
Okay,
no
problem,
if
you
have
to
if
you
drop
off
and
you
need
to
call
in
and
it's
time
for
your
item,
just
just
chime
in
so
we
know
you're
there
or
you
can
just
send
me
a
quick
email.
And
let
me
know
if
you
need
to
call
in.
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
read
the
affirmation
and
then
ask
you
individually
by
name
to
affirm
sort
of
one
at
a
time.
So
if
you'll
just
bear
with
us
as
we
sort
of
go
through
this
in
a
in
a
systematic
way,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
that
the
information
you
present
during
the
hearing
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
before
the
historic
resources
commission
shall
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
L
B
B
M
K
N
J
D
B
B
Once
the
staff
presentation
is
finished,
the
commission
will
get
to
ask
any
questions
and
then
we'll
turn
the
presentation
over
to
the
applicant
for
any
additional
information
or
comment
with
follow-up
questions
by
commissioners
following
that
will
be
an
opportunity
for
public
comment
and
our
cape
folks
will.
Let
us
know
if
there's
callers
on
the
line
to
address
a
particular
application
and
then
we'll
have
some
follow-up
discussion
and
and
resolve
whatever
things
need
to
be
resolved
in
a
particular
application.
So
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
old
business.
B
Before
we
get
to
16,
the
circle
is
the
first
application.
We
do
have
one.
Other
item
of
old
business
that
has
requested
a
continuance
to
the
december
meeting,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
do
that
prior
to
starting
our
application.
P
E
Thank
you,
chair
kite
and
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
alex
cole.
I'm
an
urban
planner
with
the
planning
urban
design
department
and
the
first
item
is
old
business
from
the
last
meeting,
some
updates
on
this
application.
So
initially
it
was
for
the
four
items
or
five
items:
repair,
a
walkway
or
sorry,
repair
of
the
large
retaining
wall,
repair
and
rebuild
of
a
smaller
garden
wall
stream,
bed,
restoration,
a
new
walkway
and
then
installing
a
stone
veneer
on
the
concrete
block
patio
foundation.
E
So
since
the
last
hearing
mr
templeton
communicated
to
me
that
they
were
gonna,
remove
the
patio
foundation
and
this
the
creek
restoration
pieces
from
this
application,
as
they
seem
to
be
complicating
matters
a
bit
more.
So
for
now
it's
just
the
two
retaining
walls
in
the
walkway.
So
I
didn't
add
anything
into
my
presentation
for
the
walkway,
since
that
seemed
to
be
or
seemed
to
be
consensus
for
that
being.
Okay
at
the
last
meeting.
E
So
really
the
only
change
in
this
application,
and
I
and
I
would
like
to
ask
mr
trump
to
clarify
a
little
bit,
because
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
clear,
but
I
believe
that
the
plan
is
to
do
the
retaining
wall
would
be
repaired
partially
with
concrete
block
where
it
had
been
concrete
blocked
before
and
then
where
the
stone
portion
collapsed.
That
would
be
a
stone
veneer.
E
I've
noted
in
my
staff
report
the
same
or
just
reiterated
what
I
said
to
you
all
last
week
that
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
rebuild
the
wall
with
concrete
block
any
portion
of
it,
even
if
it
was
that
way
to
begin
with,
whenever,
where
folks
are
doing
repairs
in
the
historic
district,
if
they're
repairing
something
that
was
not
historically
appropriate
in
the
first
place,
then
it
should
go
back
in
a
something
that
meets
the
standard.
E
So
obviously,
this
wall
needs
some
structural
support,
so
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
construct
it
with
concrete
block,
but
to
face
it
with
a
stone
veneer,
the
whole
section
that
is
being
repaired
and
then
the
second
thing
I've
noted
is
also
a
reiteration
from
last
meeting
that
we
should
that
there
should
be
a
condition
in
the
ca
that
staff
is
consulted
in
the
field
once
vegetation
is
being
removed
from
the
from
the
other
wall,
so
that
we
can
verify
that
the
stone
material
to
be
used
is
similar
or
matching
to
what's
there
as
closely
as
possible.
E
Another
thing
I
think
we
probably
need
to
just
confirm
or
reconfirm
I'm
not
sure
on-
is
that
that
wall
is
also
partly
concrete
block
and
partly
stone.
So
I
just
want
to
verify
that
everyone
is
on
the
same
page
as
far
as
the
repair
material
for
that
ball.
So
so
those
are
my
my
points
and
they're
again.
They're
they're,
basically
the
same
as
as
last
time
around
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
all
have.
B
Commissioners,
you
have
any
follow-up
questions
for.
L
It
just
was
my
understanding.
I
guess
this
is
from
the
neighborhood
that
when
something
fails
falls
apart,
that
it's
replaced
with
what
was
failed
or
fell
apart
or
better
that.
So,
if
a.
L
L
So
that's
why
I
put
in
there
or
put
in
the
proposal
that,
where
the
stone
had
failed
because
of
the
flood
that
stone
would
be
replaced
there
and
that
where
cement
block
had
fallen
down,
that
would
be
replaced
with
cement
block.
So
it
will
be
going
back
to
what
we
originally
purchased
in
2003,
plus,
being
more
secure
or
more
stable.
L
L
Stone
or
stone
veneer
to
look
like
the
other,
retaining
walls
in
all
my
and
in
the
yard,
as
well
as
there
are
several
others
in
the
neighborhood
that
all
look
very
similar
and
there's
a
picture
from
the
first
application
that
will
represent
this.
F
Yeah,
can
you
refresh
our
memory
how
much
of
the
cinder
block
portion
of
this
wall
is
visible
to
the
public
versus
mr
templeton
or
his
neighbors?
Please.
L
So
if
you
there
is
a
picture,
there's
a
few
pictures
in
there
that
I
sent
in
the
second
in
the
second
package
in
the
summer
for
the
public
for
anybody
driving
on
albemarle.
Excuse
me
on
canterbury.
L
You
really
can't
see
the
wall
in
the
in
the
winter.
When
the
the
leaves
fall,
you
get
an
obstruction
obstructed
view
of
the
wall.
The
matthews
from
their
porch
can
see
part
of
the
wall.
Of
course,
if
they
walk
into
their
backyard,
they
can
see
all
of
it.
E
Sorry
I
was
looking
through
the
images
john
and
I
usually
go
in
and
manipulate
the
photos
to
rotate
them,
so
that
they're
not
sideways,
but
I
would
just
back
into
the
scan
and
they're
all
still
sideways.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
helpful
to
show
those
but
to
to
his
point.
It's
really
not
highly
visible
from
the
road,
but
it
is
visible
within
the
neighbor's
yard,
and
I
would
just
add
that
in
the
past
like,
I
think,
that's
a
great
example
that
he
mentioned
about
windows
because
we
do
actually
require.
E
If
you
have
a
if
you,
if
something
is
a
historic
material
and
it's
damaged
beyond
repair,
then
we
we
say
for
like
a
wall,
we
say
reuse
as
much
existing
material
as
possible
and
then
it
should
be
any
new
material
should
match
existing
as
closely
as
possible.
But
if
you're,
if
it's
something,
that's
not
historic,
that
doesn't
mean
that
you,
if
it's
damaged-
and
you
need
to
replace
it-
that
the
commission
hasn't
in
the
past
approved
for
something
to
go
back
with
a
modern
material.
E
Like
a
window
like
it.
We've
in
the
past
had
applications
where
someone
had
a
whole
bank
of
vinyl
windows
that
they
needed
to
replace
and
the
commission
required
that
they
be
wood
because
it
was
a
historic
house.
So
you
know
it
probably
that's,
because
we
recognize
in
preservation
or
in
normal
life.
You
know.
Sometimes
things
are
altered
in
a
modern
way.
You
know
before
the
guidelines
existed,
or
you
know
and
whatever
the
situation
may
be,
but
then
once
something
starts
to
fall
apart,
that's
an
opportunity
to
restore
it
to
something:
that's
more
historically
appropriate.
E
No,
I
I
I
my
recommendation
in
the
report
is
that
the
wall
should
be
entirely
stem
veneer
for
the
portion,
that's
being
repaired,
so
it's
you
know
just
because
it
was
concrete
block
at
some
point
in
time
doesn't
mean
that
that
is,
what's
historically
appropriate
to
go
back
with
now
so.
L
Does
it
make
a
difference
that
this
wasn't
by
choice?
You
know
this
is
a
mis
and
you
know
it
was
flood
brought
this
down
and
I
have
to
repair
it.
It's
it's
not
something
I
wanted
to
do
to
make
it
look
better
or
to
change
the
look
or
what
have
you
does
that
make
a
difference,
because
it
was
unintended.
I
L
Adds
a
fair
amount
to
the
to
the
value
to
the
cost,
and
that's-
and
I
I
do
not
you
know-
I'm
a
physician,
I'm
comfortable,
but
I'm
a
pediatrician.
I
have
limited
budget
here.
That
is
part
of
the
reason.
Some
of
the
other
things
were
pulled
off
the
work
list
was
you
know
I
I
only
have
so
much
to
spend
on
this
project.
M
Alex
or
dr
templeton
there's
a
updated
application,
drawing
received
eleven
nine.
Can
you
go
to
that
alex
the
drawing
of
the
entire
section
of
wall
and
dr
trump?
You
could
say
how
far
do
you
think
you're
repairing
the
concrete,
the
cinder
block
portion.
L
16
feet
that
is
going
to
be
repaired:
it's
not
a
16
foot
portion
of
wall
that
has
fallen
at
present,
but
with
the
engineer
and
and
the
and
the
contractor
will
to
make
it
secure
and
work
well,
it
will
be
about
16
feet
which
will
be.
L
Will
be
altered
during
this
repair,
and
it's
about
eight
and
eight
best
I
could
tell
from
the
damage
is,
and
it's
shown
in
that
drawing.
I
think,
you're
referencing,
that
the
where
the
cement
culvert
is
was
about
the
union
point
of
the
cement
block
and
the
stone,
and
there
should
be
a
representation
of
the
intact.
I
sent
in
a
two-scale
reposition
of
intact
wall
and
and
the
just
instructed
one
and
the
damaged
wall.
E
M
So
there's
27
feet
of
stone,
bridge
getting
repaired
with
materials
of
stone
and
then
an
additional
16
feet
headed
south
no.
L
L
The
visual
is
much
better
when
alex
can
get
it
pulled
up
and
it's
12
feet
of
before
damaged
before
the
flood
of
of
cement
block
of
the
entire
90
feet,
only
27
feet
or
stone.
F
L
L
Okay
and
on
the
left
of
that
which
is
out
of
the
picture,
is
12
feet
of
cinder
block
from
the
original
before
it
went
before.
It
fell
down.
Okay,
now
so
of
the
27
feet
that
you
can
see
on
that
lower
picture.
If
you
could
see
that
the
rest
of
the
rendering
you
would
see
that
there
is
eight
feet
that
need
to
be
repaired
and
then
also
eight
feet
of
cinder
block
that
need
to
be
repaired.
L
Unfortunately,
these
are
to
make
it
look
better.
I
put
it
on
eight
eight
by
twelve,
so
there's
there's
you
know
this
doesn't
help
as
much
as
what
if
it
was
in,
you
could
see
the
entire
thing.
E
E
I
mean
I
haven't
done
anything
with
the
pages
these,
except
for
rotate,
the
pages.
So
I
mean
I,
I
don't
know
what
to
say,
because
we
don't
have
what
you're
describing
in
the
documents
that
you
submitted
just
these
two
drawings
where
what
was
in
there
and
then
it
goes
into
photos.
M
M
L
L
The
damaged
part
of
the
rock
is
less
than
eight
feet,
but
we
estimate
when
it's
repaired,
eight
feet
of
rock
will
have
to
be
changed
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
we'll
go
back
as
as
stone
veneer,
so
it'll
look
like
it
did
before
it
fell.
D
A
G
D
D
D
A
A
So
alex
it
looks
like
someone
in
the
meeting
muted,
our
conference
bridge
the
last
numbers
ending
one,
and
so
I'm
having
difficulty
connecting
to
miss
matthew's
standby.
I
can't
unmute
from
on
this
side.
Can
you
unmute
that
number
since
you're
the
organizer.
A
Q
What
if
I
forward
ms
matthews
the
meeting
link.
S
D
A
B
R
I
do
okay,
thank
you.
So
again,
my
name
is
jane
matthews,
my
family
lives
adjacent
to
the
templeton's
at
12.
The
circle
and
the
wall
in
question
is
our
boundary
between
our
two
properties.
R
I
apologize,
and
I
realized
that
probably
the
pdf
was
not
sized
for
the
size,
drawing
that
mr
temple
dr
templeton
had,
but
so
I
do
not
quite
understand,
but
if
I'm
looking
at
the
drawing
that
is
currently
on
your
screen,
the
stone
actually
went
at
least
in
as
it
was
in
situ
before
the
the
damage
to
the
culvert
to
the
at
least
the
center
line
of
the
culvert,
and,
as
I
pointed
out
to
alex,
I
mean
I
haven't
seen
any
drawings
since
the
last
meeting,
but
I
did
point
out
that
there
have
been
two
walls
built
with
hrc
approval
within
the
district.
R
You
know
since
we've
had
guidelines
and
that's
been
the
one
along
cherokee
road
and
the
wall
of
the
top
of
cherokee
and
and
sunset
terrace
and
those
walls
are
veneered
walls.
They
they
were
originally
all
stone,
but
they
went
back
as
block
or
concrete
walls
that
then
were
veneered
with
stone
to
fit
into
the
character
of
the
community,
and
I
support
staff's
recommendation
to
try
to
do
that
to
keep
the
integrity
of
the
community
as
best
we
can
and
even
though
it's
not
visible
all
year
round,
it
is
visible.
R
You
know
it
is
visible
to
us
in
our
backyard
as
we
use
it.
It
is
visible
from
the
road
during
the
winter.
So
I
encourage
at
least
the
commissioned
to
consider
you
know
having
a
veneered
and
the
dimensions
on
this
drawing
that
is
currently
on
the
screen
that
I
am
seeing,
it
means
not
doesn't
add
up
to
all
the
square
footage
of
this
existing
stone
wall,
so
I
know
it
says
approximately
10
feet,
but
it
is,
I
think
dr
templeton
pointed
out.
The
wall
is
at
least
20.
R
I
think
28
feet
of
stone,
so
it
is,
is
a
longer
stone
wall
and,
as
I
think
was
pointed
out,
was
probably
part
of
a
bridge
system
that
went
over
the
stream
at
one
point.
So
thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
consideration
of
that.
As
you
look
at
this.
A
B
Heather,
I'm
going
to
need
to
swear
you
in
before
we
get
to
your
input.
Okay.
O
O
Yours,
I
want
to
give
a
little
background
to
the
wall
and
why
the
wall
collapsed.
To
begin
with
the
city
and
the
hrc
built
a
wall
up
above
us
on
cherokee
a
stone
wall,
and
there
was
an
easement
given
by
one
of
our
neighbors
that
rerouted
water
onto
the
below
properties
onto
canterbury,
and
that
is
the
property
that
is
above
us
and
us,
and
then
on
down
to
the
matthews
on
down
to
the
garvins
and
then
to
the
manor
inn.
O
O
We
never
ever
had
a
water
issue
until
I
think
it
was
six
years
ago,
the
matthews
are
shown
multiple
times,
filming
that
the
damage
that
was
being
caused
by
by
this
wall
of
above
destroyed
our
wall.
I
think
asking
us
to
do
something
that
was
never
I
mean
we
did
not
like,
I
said,
have
a
problem.
O
It
got
so
bad
that
we
as
a
neighborhood
on
canterbury,
got
together
as
a
neighborhood
and
hired
an
attorney
to
settle
with
the
city
to
pay
for
these
things.
Now
the
matthews
were
in
on
that
that
was
us.
That
was
the
cases
that
own
the
property
above
us
and
their
property
has
been
destroyed
beyond
repair.
It
involved
the
garbanz
and
it
involved
the
manner
in
being
in
on
this,
and
so
now
we
are
having
to
pay
for
something
that
we
never.
O
You
know
john
used
the
example
of
the
windows,
and
then
you
know
jane
used
the
example
of
the
stone
wall.
Well
then,
I
might
suggest
that
the
matthews
do
something
different
to
their
house,
because
that's
my
view,
the
wall
cannot
be
seen
from
anywhere
from
canterbury.
Even
with
the
leaves
falling
off
in
the
winter
is
hardly
visible.
O
It
actually
supports
a
historic
pillar.
The
cement
wall
supported
our
historic
pillars.
That
is
at
the
back
of
our
driveway,
and
I
think
if
we
all
start
talking
about
our
views
and
what
we
look
at
in
other
people's
yards
constantly
and
that
dictates,
we
are
really
seriously
should
look
at
changing
the
albemarle
park.
Guidelines.
O
D
H
I
thought
you
said
at
the
beginning
that
the
city
and
hrc
built
a
wall
from
an
hrc
wouldn't
actually
build
a
wall.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
O
O
O
We're
going
to
legally
cost
us,
probably
just
as
much,
if
not
more,
to
fix
it,
and
you
know
we,
we
threw
our
arms
up
and
said
we're
going
to
fix
it
and
the
guidelines
state
to
put
it
back
the
way
it
was,
and
so
I
think
we
really
are
setting
a
bad
precedence
if
we
start
to
say
as
jane
says,
this
is
my
view.
If
we
start
to
talk
about
that
kind
of
stuff,
we
should
really
start
to
look
at.
O
O
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
feedback.
B
L
If
I'm
going
to
interrupt
real,
quick,
we
haven't
talked
about
replacing
the
culvert
itself
does
that
is
that
within
the
purview
of
the
hrc
or
just
the
city.
E
Both,
I
think,
john,
I
think
you
know
you're,
obviously
going
to
need
a
permit
additional
permits
for
that
work,
so
you'll
need
to
contact
development
services
to
see
what's
required.
I
did
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
because
I
did
want
to
ask
you
about
the
trees
that
are
along
the
street.
E
L
We
frankly
don't
have
a
choice
but
to
replace
the
culvert
right,
I'm
just
going
to
do
our
best
and
what
we
plan
to
do
and
if
you
look
back
at
the
rocks
or
the
stone
that
was
that
you
took
a
picture
of
today.
There's
one
riverstone
in
there.
That's
small,
but
a
good
representative
we're
just
going
to
do
a
simple
head
wall
for
the
for
the
culvert
to
protect
it
from
from
erosion,
it'll,
be
very
simple
and
hopefully,
quickly,
grow
over
with
grass
and
moss
and
stuff
like
that.
E
Okay,
just
note
that
if
you
get
into
the
if
this
is
approved
and
you're
moving
forward
and
the
trees
are
going
to
be
affected,
you'll
need
to
follow
up
with
us,
so
we
can
amend
the
ca
okay,
I
just
shared
the
design
standard
folder
with
all
of
you.
E
I
don't
know
what
the
deal
is
with
all
of
these
shortcuts
I've
added,
but
are
you
able
to
open
the
individual
shortcut
for
the
landscape
standards?
I'm
trying?
E
B
N
M
F
M
Photograph
of
the
templeton's
entrance
of
the
the
circle-facing
wall
of
the
stone
is
seen
in
that
picture.
It's
a.
M
T
T
Miss
lazarus
this
is
janice
ashley,
you
mentioned
page
20
on
the
lance.
Is
it
the
landscape,
design,
standards
and
guidelines
is.
Is
that
what
you're
talking
about?
Because
I
don't
see
that
as
referencing.
N
T
And
people
can
look
through,
but
staff,
I
I
think
alex
you
had
mentioned
that
you,
you
had
a
specific
standard
in
mind
and
you
might
want
to
read
that
and
then
maybe
just
confer
with
the
applicant.
I
think
one
of
the
people
giving
testimony
said
somehow
this
is
going
outside
of
the
guidelines.
So
maybe
sometimes
we
have
very
clear
guidelines
in
this
regard.
T
Sometimes
they're
encouraged
suggest,
so
you
know
it
might
help
to
say
how
do
you
read
it
alex
and
then,
mr
templeton,
if
you
there's
a
particular
guideline
that
you
were
referring
to
that
you
you,
you
would
like
the
commission
to
consider
that
could
be
helpful,
so
alex.
Why
don't
you
if
you're
able
to
just
go
ahead
and
say
which
one
were
you
thinking
of
and
any
other
commissioners?
If
there's
one
in
particular
you're
looking
at
like
miss
lazarus?
That
might
be
helpful
to
this
conversation.
E
Sure
so
I
think
I
talked
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
when
I
was
giving
my
report
last
time
around
that
you
know
when
you
look
at
parsons
design,
for
this
first
of
all,
is
one
of
the
first
planned
neighborhoods
residential
neighborhoods
in
the
country
and
the
landscape
was
designed
specifically
for
this
neighborhood
low
stone
walls
were
found
throughout
the
district.
As
a
you
know,
everything
that
is
kind
of
in
albemarle
park
is
like
well
fitted
within
the
landscape.
There
aren't
any
walls
that
are
most
of
the
walls.
E
Aren't
you
know
big
barriers
or
anything
like
that,
so
most
commonly
are
these
low
stone
walls
that
you
can
see
on
page
34.?
One
thing
I've
said
last
at
the
last
meeting
was
that
you
know
the
guidelines.
Don't
specifically
prohibit
block
walls,
but
I
mean
that's
really
just.
I
think,
because
many
of
our
our
gut
design
guidelines
don't
prohibit
specific
materials
because
they
weren't
found
throughout
the
district,
so
they're
not
called
out
as
as
an
appropriate
material.
E
E
E
When
you
know
old
things
start
to
fail
over
time,
it
just
is
sort
of
the
nature
of
the
beast
and,
as
chair
kai
pointed
out
at
the
last
meeting,
one
thing
that's
clear
about
this
wall
is
that
the
stone
portion
is
withstanding
the
test
of
time
better
than
the
block
wall
that
was
added
later,
but
just
to.
L
Reiterate
the
stern
wall
isn't
there
of
the
90-some
feet,
there's
only
27
feet
of
stone
left.
E
Okay,
so
in
my
time
with
the
commission,
the
way
that
the
commission
has
operated
in
terms
of
restoring
something
back
if
something
is
damaged,
if
there's
a
treatment
that
wasn't
historically
appropriate,
it's
not
considered
appropriate
to
go
back
with
that
treatment
when
you're,
repairing
something
so
in
this
case,
staff
pulled
out
the
standard
that
speaks
to
the
stone
veneer,
because
this
wall
obviously
needs
more
structural
support
because
of
the
water
flowing
through.
So
that
is
the
those
are
the
guidelines
that
we
use.
E
I
will
say
that
the
way
that
the
albemarle
park
standards
are
written
overall,
I
think
for
more
of
the
context
to
understanding,
rather
than
having
so
many
specific
standards.
That
kind
of
bullet
point
out
like
what
is
specific.
If
you
read
all
of
the
whole
document,
it
really
talks
about
the
whole
context
of
the
neighborhood
and
again
stonewalls
were
you
know,
were
a
feature
historically
found
in
the
landscape,
so
in
concrete
block
is
not
would
not
be
considered
historically
appropriate
in
most
contexts.
B
I
think
one
point
of
clarification
in
terms
of
responding
alex
to
to
your
explanation
and
also
in
reading
the
guidelines,
certainly
there's
on
page
34.
It
says
all
repair
extension
and
replacement
of
existing
walls
shall
utilize
the
same
materials
techniques
and
maintain
the
same
appearance
as
the
original,
and
I
guess
for
me,
I
think,
the
the
divergence
in
how
alex
you're
interpreting
the
the
guidelines
and
how
I
think
at
least
some
of
us
as
commissioners
are
interpreting
it.
Clearly,
the
cinderblock
wall
is
not
an
original
part
of
the
albemarle
park
planned
community.
B
If
it
has
over
time,
been
replaced.
An
original
rock
wall
with
cinder
block,
then
certainly
using
original
materials
in
this
case
would
not
be
to
replace
it
with
concrete
block
again.
It
would
be
to
return
it
to
what
would
have
been
part
of
the
planned
community
in
the
first
place,
which
was
would
certainly
not
have
been
concrete
block,
and
so
I
think
that's.
B
The
challenge
that
we're
facing
is
in
understanding
you
know
and
and
making
a
decision
on
what
we
think
those
guidelines
say
in
this
context,
because
it
is
clear
that
over
time
the
original
wall
has
been
replaced
with
concrete
block
and
that
the
original
wall
would
have
been
stone
and
there's
certainly
evidence
that
portions
of
it
obviously
still
are
stone
and-
and
so
I'm
a
little
bit
stuck
on
the
idea
that
we're
going
to
put
back
a
wall
that
doesn't
move
back
in
the
direction
of
the
original
that
would
have
been
in
place
there
and
I'm
a
little
stuck
on
the
idea
that
it's
going
to
be
sort
of
a
mix
match.
B
And
I
understand
that
a
90-foot
wall
is
is
a
lot
to
tackle
and
and
certainly
we
would
never
replace
the
whole
thing
at
once.
If
it
was
structured,
it
had
structural
integrity
to
it,
but
as
the
opportunity
presents,
I
think
in
every
case
and
other
instances
where
we've
added
walls
in
the
neighborhood,
they
have
been
required
to
be
at
least
have
stone.
Veneer.
B
U
Chairman,
I
I
feel
that
the
statement
you
just
read
from
the
middle
of
page
34-
that's
really
probably
the
the
most
important
aspect
of
the
guidelines
that
we
would
be
referring
to
right
now.
So
I
think
just
just
that.
U
One,
like
two
sentence
statement,
pretty
much
sums
up
what
the
guidelines
are,
calling
for
they're
calling
for
something
as
close
to
an
original
material
and
even
an
original
type
of
structure
as
possible-
and
I
know
in
this
case
like
building
with
an
actual
stacked
stone
in
order
to
be
just
like
the
original
is
probably
not
not
very
logical,
just
just
because
since
this
wall
has
failed
before
I
know
they
need
to
keep
it
very
structurally
stable,
but
I
think
putting
at
least
a
stone
veneer
on
the
exterior
and
order
it
in
order
for
it
to
mimic
what
would
have
been
the
original
would
be
the
most
appropriate
decision.
F
Madam
chairman,
yes,
so
is
there
some
solomonic
way
of
splitting
the
baby
here
a
little
bit,
because
I
am
not
insensitive
to
the
templeton's
comments
about
being
in
the
middle
of
a
pandemic
and
economic
distress?
Is
there
a
pr
something
we've
done
in
the
past,
where
we've
spread
this
out
over
time
where
we
said
you
you've
got
two
years
to
finish
the
veneer,
because
clearly
they
have
to
rebuild
the
wall.
Clearly,
we
wouldn't
want
them
to
just
walk
away
and
say
fine,
we're
just
going
to
leave
this
as
it
is.
F
B
I
would
I
don't
know
the
specific
answer
to
that,
so
I
would
look
to
alex
or
janice
to
help
us
with
the
specifics
of
your
question
regarding
a
length
of
time,
but
I
would
like
to
remind
the
commission
and
to
caution
the
commission
about
our
purview
and
understanding
that
it's
our
responsibility
as
a
commission
to
make
decisions
around
the
context
of
the
guidelines
and
that
we,
it
is
more
difficult
to
consider
other
factors
beyond
that,
because
that
be
that
that
allows
opportunity
for
inconsistency
in
future
applications.
And
so
I
would.
B
I
would
remind
us,
in
our
context,
that
while
we
all
are
empathetic
to
the
situation
and
certainly
we're
in
the
midst
of
things
that
are
not
the
uncharted
territory
for
all
of
us,
economically
and
in
the
pandemic,
that
we
we
do
want
to
be
very
cautious
that
we
are
that
we
stay
within
our
purview
as
to
the
question
of
time
and
whether
or
not
there's
additional
consideration
for
how
long
a
project
can
stay
open
to
allow
opportunity
for
it
to
be
finished.
E
The
only
other
example
where
I
can
think
that
we
do,
that
is
for
new
construction
projects
for
landscaping,
and
obviously
we
have
to
do
it
that
way.
I
don't
know
that
janice
there
would
be
any
legal
issues.
So
much
as
it
would
like
you
said,
share
quite
be
kind
of
setting
a
precedent
that
might
be
a
challenge
for
us
to
manage,
because
how
do
we
not
give
extra
time
to
all
applicants?
You
know
the
ca
expires
within
a
year,
but
they,
but
they
they
don't
have
to
finish
the
work
within
the
year.
E
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
kind
of
expand
their
amount
of
time
that
they
could
finish
the
work,
but
it
it
seems
like
it
would
be
a
little
bit
of
a
challenging
precedent
to
set
in
terms
of
us
being
able
to
follow
these.
You
know
till
the
end,
if
they're
stretching
way
out
beyond
you
know
the
kind
of
allotted
amount
of
time
that
is
typical,
shannon
janice
any
other
thoughts.
Q
So,
as
alex
indicated
there,
there
is
a
fair
amount
of
time
already
sort
of
built
into
the
the
process.
So
I
think
the
hrc
approval
will
be
good
for
a
period
of
time
during
which
the
permit
would
need
to
be
applied
for
once
the
permit
is
applied
for
then
it
takes
some
time
for
that
to
be
approved,
and
then
once
it's
approved
and
issued
it's
good
for
a
year
during
which
the
project
just
needs
to
be
initiated,
not
completed,
so
that
tends
to
kind
of
stretch
out
and
oftentimes.
Q
It
could
be
extended
almost
two
years
a
year
and
a
half
or
so.
If
that's,
what
somebody
wanted?
That's,
not
typically
what
people
do
usually
they
they
intend
to
initiate
the
project
as
soon
as
they
get
their
permits,
but
there
have
been
instances
where
people
have
stretched
it
out.
The
only
other
way
we
could
potentially
extend
an
approval
is
through
bonding
for
the
infrastructure,
but
you
won't
ever
get.
You
won't
get
final
approval.
Q
Until
I
mean
you
won't
get
a
ca,
you
won't
get
that
renata
ca,
but
the
final.
Well,
it's
not
really
a
co
for
a
wall,
but
you
won't
get
that
final
close
out
until
that
work
is
completed
and
the
bond
is
closed
or
voided
and
there
is
a
cost
associated
with
bond.
Typically,
it's
usually
bonds
are
usually
held
out
for
very
large
projects
that
might
be
constructed
in
phases,
not
something
like
a
simple
construction
wall
so
or
a
retaining
wall.
So
it's
it
would
be
a
very
unusual
case,
so
I
I
don't.
T
I'm
not
sure
how
what
what
kind
of
timeline
you
were
thinking
of,
or
what
the
applicant
thinks
of
that,
but
perhaps
just
knowing
that
there
would
be
time
to
come
back
and
apply
the
the
stone
veneer.
If
that's,
if
that's
the
process,
the
main
point
is
that
the
approval,
what
gets
approved
and
you
could
not
receive
your
final
permit
unless
it
was
done
in
accordance
with
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
So
if
it
might
help
time,
you
know
economically
to
do
it
over
a
year
and
a
year
and
a
half,
maybe
the
applicant
under.
T
If
they
understand
that
this
process
can
be
longer,
I
don't
think
that
the
commission
would
put
that
in
as
part
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
give
them.
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
you're
thinking
beyond
two
years.
I
can
only
think
one
time
there
was
someone
who
had
a
fence,
she
had
a
vinyl
fence
in
montford
and
she
did
have
an
economic
hardship,
but
unfortunately,
as
the
commissioners
have
said,
that
is
not
cannot
be
a
consideration,
because
this
is
a
process
where
you're
granting
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
these
specific
standards.
T
And
so
anyone
could
come
with
their
personal
issues
of
why
they
can't
or
can't
meet
the
standards
and
when
you're
in
historic
district.
It's
the
standards
that
that
have
to
guide
that
and,
in
addition
to
the
specific
standards
that
are
mentioned,
the
overarching
approval,
that's
required
by
statute
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
is
that
it's
compatible
with
the
historic
character
of
that
historic
district.
T
So
long
way
to
say
I
you
know
it
sounds
like
that
is
is
with
the
way
the
commissioners
are
reading
it,
but
the
timing
that
may
help
in
terms
of
getting
that
done.
But
if
the
the
approval
would
look
very
much
the
same,
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
would
say
the
the
stone
veneer
would
have
to
be
on
there
at
some
point
before
final
certificate
could
be
granted.
Q
I
did,
I
did
just
double
check
the
the
validity
period
so
that
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
once
issued
is
good
for
a
year
during
which
you
would
apply
for
your
building
permit.
So
you
could
wait.
You
know,
11
months,
11
and
a
half
months
apply
for
your
building.
Permit
that
permit
would
be
good
for
six
months.
At
least
you
could
probably
get
that
extended.
So
so
there
is
time
if
that
is
what
somebody
needs
or
wants
to
help
get
the
project
completed.
M
H
M
Like
to,
I
think,
I'm
looking
on
page
14
of
the
landscape
guidelines
standards,
the
basic
principles
of
the
landscape
standards
and
I'll
read
that
number
nine
new
plantings
and
landscape
improvement
should
follow
the
original
design
principles
of
albemarle
park
established
by
samuel
parsons.
M
I
think
if,
if
the
city
who
built
the
wall
on
cherokee
and
cherokee
were
held
to
a
standard
of
of
a
veneer,
then
I
think
the
home,
especially
this
is
an
eight.
I
thought
it
was
maybe
more
than
that
some
places,
but
at
least
an
eight
foot
tall
piece
section
of
cinderblock
and
also
in
the
architectural
guidelines.
M
It
specifically
says-
and
again
this
is
architectural
standards
that
brick
con
exposed,
concrete
block
and
formed
concrete
are
not
allowed.
So
if
it's
not
on
houses,
it's
I
think
introducing
it
for
such
a
large
section,
not
introducing
it,
but
not
skewing
better
skewing
a
more
natural
stone
would
be
not
following
the
I
don't
see
it.
It's
fall
in
the
spirit
of
it.
That's
sort
of
my
take
on
it.
M
Paige
architectural
is
page
30
top
of
the
three
columns
that
column
to
the
top
paragraph.
B
Well,
I
don't
know
that,
as
the
application
stands,
that
we've
reached
any
real
consensus
as
a
commission
on
on
it.
How
it's
as
it's
a
as
it's
submitted
is
my
concern.
B
Okay,
so
that's
a
request
to
amend.
B
Right
so
that's
the
applicant
requesting
to
amend
the
application
to
include
stone
veneer
on
the
portion
of
the
wall,
that's
being
replaced.
L
K
L
T
E
Yeah,
so
it's
the
garden
wall
and
the
retaining
or
the
walkway.
Those
are
the
two
other
things.
I
wrote
the
ca
request
in
the
motion
to
be
similar
to
the
the
other
retaining
wall
that
the
well
any
new
material
would
match
the
existing
stone
as
closely
as
possible.
E
I
don't
know
if
y'all
are
comfortable
with
that,
we
can
leave
it
or
whoever
reads
the
mission
can
change
it
to
whatever
you
all
want,
but
and
then
I
again,
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
for
staff
to
verify
the
the
stone
in
the
field
with
the
applicant
once
the
vegetation
has
been
removed
from
the
wall.
B
And
I
think
alex
from
our
last
meeting
we
didn't
have
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
conversation
or
concerns
about
the
other
portions
of
this
application,
especially
since,
from
from
last
month
to
this
month,
the
creek
bed
has
been
removed
from
that
from
the
scope
of
this
project.
Application.
E
Right
right,
so
it's
been
pared
down
to
have
less
elements,
so
I,
unless
you
all,
have
you
know
any
thoughts
on
the
garden
wall.
It
seemed
like
you
all
had
consensus
on
the
walkway
last.
H
Time,
okay,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
project
description,
exhibit
b,
aerial
images.
Five
pages
exhibit
c
wall
drawings.
Two
pages
exhibit
t
photographs
of
subject:
property.
14
pages,
exhibit
e
image
of
culvert
pipe
site
plans.
Three
pages
received
october
11,
2020,
exhibit
f
photographs
taken
by
staff.
H
Three
pages
october
14
2020
exhibit
g
images
of
stone
samples.
Four
pages
received
october
12,
2020,
exhibit
h,
updated
application,
drawings
and
images
33
pages
received
november
9
2020
exhibit
I
stone
sample
images,
five
pages
taken
by
staff
november
11
2020,
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except.
H
H
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
and
approved
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence
two,
but
the
standards
for
walls
found
on
pages
34-35
and
pass
and
walkways
on
page
31
and
architectural
standards
on
page
30
of
the
albemarle
park.
Historic
district
landscape
design
standards,
as
well
as
the
standards
for
foundations
and
exterior
walls,
found
on
page
30.
Sorry,
it
was
already
there
in
the
albemarle
park,
historic
district,
architectural
design,
standards
adopted
july
8,
2015..
H
T
I'm
sorry,
I
think,
there's
page
14
in
the
landscape
guide.
That's
the
landstate,
the
landscape
standards
that
was
mentioned
as
well,
page
14.,.
H
Thank
you.
Let's
add
that
we're
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
existing
culvert
wall
is
being
repaired
and
will
have
veneered
stone
facing
matching
existing
sections
of
stone
as
closely
as
possible.
The
existing
garden
wall
will
be
rebuilt
using
as
much
original
stone
as
possible.
B
M
D
H
Okay,
so
the
motion
having
passed
based
upon
the
foregoing
findings
and
for
the
reason
set
forth
therein.
I
move
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
be
issued
with
the
following
conditions
during
construction
after
vegetation
is
removed,
staff
should
be
consulted
by
the
applicant
so
that
staff
may
compare
the
stone
being
used
to
the
existing
stone
to
make
sure
that
the
stone
matches
and
do
we
want
a
separate
condition
as
to
vegetation
as
to
trees.
E
B
B
H
M
B
E
The
proposal
is
to
add
a
a
metal
awning
covering
over
the
patio,
if
you're
looking
at
the
building
from
boston
way,
if
you're
looking
at
it
straight
on
the
patio,
is
to
the
left.
This
is
looking
at
it
at
an
angle
from
boston
way,
so
it's
kind
of
a
smallish
patio
area.
That's
tucked
in
behind
this.
E
This
hedgerow
and
right
now,
they've
got
umbrellas
out
there
covering
the
patio
in
anticipation
of
winter
season
and
navigating
the
pandemic
and
accommodating
outdoor
dining.
During
this
time,
the
applicants
are
requesting
to
install
a
metal
awning
over
where
the
replacing
the
umbrellas
with
this
metal
awning
are
covering.
I'm
not
sure
I
keep
referring
it
to
referring
to
it
as
something
different,
but
it's
really
just
a
simple
structure
with
four
posts.
It's
actually
pretty
neat.
Looking,
I
think,
in
terms
of
things
that
I
haven't
seen
before.
E
E
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
basic
extruded
aluminum
structure
with
eight
by
or
see
six
by
six
posts
and
then
the
top
of
it
is
lubered
so
that
in
the
when,
when
the
weather's
nice,
it
can
be
open
to
allow
light
in
and
then
it's
it's
fully
closable
when
needed
and
has
a
built-in
guttering
system
so
that
they
can
kind
of
have
this
enclosed
space
outdoors,
but
it
will
be
fully
detached
from
the
building.
E
So
I,
in
looking
through
the
design
standards
for
bill
moore
village,
I
mean
they're.
They
were
adopted
in
1988,
so
not
sure
that
they
anticipated
necessarily
something
like
this,
certainly
not
a
pandemic.
And
so
you
know
I
I
thought
a
lot
of
I
thought
about
this.
E
You
know
long
and
hard
and
at
first
kind
of
wasn't
quite
sure
where
to
land,
but
I
I
feel
like
really
when
you're
looking
at
the
standards,
I
looked
at
the
standards
for
site
design
and
they're
they're
a
little
bit
more
general
than
I
would
have
hoped,
but
I
think
that
that
helps
actually
in
this
situation
give
us
a
little
bit
of
leeway.
In
my
opinion,
it
will
not
be
highly
visible.
I
think
the
fact
that
it's
metal
helps
it.
You
know
with
not
being
a
more
visible
within
the
landscape.
E
It's
also
not
to
me
like
presenting
as
an
architectural
feature.
That's
part
of
the
building,
it's
more
kind
of
like
just
part
of
the
site.
You
know
in
just
a
simple
simple
covering
to
me.
It
also
won't
be
attached
to
the
building,
so
it
can
be
easily
removed
and
doesn't
really
obscure
any
architectural
features
at
all.
If
you're
looking
at
it
from
the
side
angle,
you
know
it
it.
E
Obviously
it
kind
of
covers
those
windows,
but
you
really
don't
look
you
don't
really
don't
see
that
I
don't
think
it's
not
very
visible
from
the
street
anyway,
and
it's
not
going
to
extend
beyond
that
front
the
front
building
plane.
E
So
I'm
not
noting
any
concerns
in
my
staff
report,
but
I'm
happy
to
go
back
through
any
of
this
information.
There's
I
added
in
the
slides,
like
the
applicant,
submitted
some
some
drawings
that
are
helpful.
This
is
looking
at
it
straight
on
as
an
elevation,
and
this
is,
if
you
were
standing
in
the
at
the
you
know,
in
the
building
next
door.
Basically
and
there's
also
some
images
in
your
packet
of
this,
like
an
example
of
the
what
the
structure
looks
like
kind
of
from
within.
E
So
you
know
it's
strange
time,
so
I
I
think
this
is
a
unique
solution
to
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish
and
again,
if,
if
it
were
presenting
as
an
architectural
feature,
I
think
I
might
have
a
little
more
pause
if
it
were
like
appearing
as
an
addition.
But
to
me
it
is
more
of
a
simple
form
within
the
site.
So
that's
not
highly
visible.
D
M
Alex
the
natural
material
sort
of
guidelines
in
the
standards
for
biltmore
it
kind
of
touches
on
it.
I
can't
put
my
finger
on
it
right
now,
but
since
this
is
temporary,
is
that
sort
of
your
thinking
or.
M
But
not
too
built
is
that
your
thinking
on
the
materials
being
okay.
E
I
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
find
some
big
pot
of
money
to
update
these
design
standards
and
condense
them,
because
they
are
separated
into
these
books,
which
makes
it
a
little
bit
hard
to
find
stuff,
but
the
I
at
first
I
started
like
kind
of
hybrid
looking
at
the
standards
for
editions
kind
of
alongside
the
site,
design
standards.
But
the
more
I
thought
about
it.
It
really
does
not
read
as
an
addition,
or
you
know,
like
a
building
to
me,
so
I
didn't
use
the
I
didn't
use.
E
M
One
part
is
on
the
regular
covered,
dining
next
door.
There
seems
to
be
a
a
an
addition
that
roofline
is
aesthetic
it's
just
a
foe,
pitched
on
a
flat
roof
building.
It
appears
from
the
street
that
it's
cloth
right.
It.
C
Is
it's
a
kind
of
that?
It's
like
the
stuff,
they
it's
like
a
cloth
and
then
they
paint
on
it
with
sort
of
this
very
thick
paint.
That
makes
it
stiffer
right
and,
of
course,
that
patio
that
you
see
in
the
middle
between
the
house
and
the
structure
we're
discussing
today
was
added
20
years
ago,
maybe
25
years
ago.
So
it's
pretty
new.
I
think
that
used
to
be
the
driveway
for
the
house
or
something
so
that's
new
as
well.
Apparently.
M
Yeah,
I
wonder
if
that
was
mandated
by
the
when
it
went
through
alex
through
the
hrc
20
years
ago
to
soften
the
flat
roof,
and
I
don't
think
this
is
the
same,
but
it
seems
like
that
was
very
intentional
to,
and
this
is
as
permanent
as
the
restaurant
is,
is
going
to
be
pretty
permanent,
the
the
bergola
that's
being
added.
M
I
don't
think
it's
necessary,
especially.
I
think
it
would
draw
more
attention
to
I'm
talking
through
this
out
loud
crazily,
but
I
think
it
would
draw
more
attention
to
it.
The
only
other
thing
I
wondered
from
alex
is:
if
it
wasn't
a
pandemic,
would
you
approve
it
and,
and
that
and
that-
and
I'm
totally
in
sympathy
with
with
the
kurt's
need,
and
but
I
just
wonder
your
opinion
announced.
E
Yeah,
I
still
I
I
think,
that's
that
goes
back
to
the
same
thing
as
having
purview
about
costs,
or
things
like
that
that
are
you
know
those
aren't
things
we
can
consider
right.
I
mean
we
can
as
human
beings,
certainly
because
we
are
sympathetic
to
all
these
different
challenges
that
everyone
faces,
even
without
pandemics
happening.
So
I
definitely
thought
through
that,
and
I
don't
think
it's
not
my.
My
recommendation
is
not
coming
from
a
place
of
sympathy,
even
though
I
do
have
that
I
have
sympathy,
but
it's
not
that's.
E
It
is
more
just
like
a
like
a
landscape
structure
in
a
way,
so
I'm
looking
at
it
from
a
site
perspective,
rather
than
it
being
like
a
built
element
attached
to
an
existing
historic
building.
If
you
will,
if
that
helps
clarify.
C
Can
I
can
I
insert
something
here,
alex.
C
C
It's
another
fairly
significant
chunk
of
days
that
we
could
use
the
patio,
but
once
we
started
looking
at
it
and
we've
had
you
know
six
or
eight
single
umbrellas
out
there
on
the
patio
and
now
we've
got
these
two
big
ones
that
make
it
look
like
a
almost
like
a
room
with
no
walls.
C
They
are
all
kind
of
they're,
not
very
pretty.
You
know
there
are
wires,
there's
ropes,
there's
pulleys!
There
are
all
kinds
of
things
that
you
see
from
the
inside
of
the
restaurant
and
I
guess
from
the
street
too.
Looking
for
that
kind
of
thing,
and
once
we
sort
of
looked
at
that
and
then
saw
this
really
clean
structure,
it
actually
seemed
like
it's
a
better
solution,
long
term,
without
even
considering
the
pandemic,
it's
just
a
cleaner
neater.
C
Look
when
people
walk
by
the
house,
it's
not
historic.
We
know
that,
but
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
struck
us
and
it
sort
of
went
the
way
of.
Oh,
my
it's
going
to
look
better
anyway,
so
to
us,
so
just
throwing
that.
B
I
will
close
the
floor
for
public
comment.
Commissioners.
What
other
feedback
would
you
like
to
provide
or
questions?
I
think
from
my
perspective,
I
appreciate
the
transparency
of
of
it.
B
You
know,
I
think,
just
as
an
architect,
I
think
the
roof
is
great
and
I,
like
the
transparency
of
the
entire
thing,
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
it
is
on
some
level
temporary
and
that
it's
to
return
the
the
building
to
its
original
original
configuration
would
not
be
particularly
difficult,
and
I
know,
over
the
years
we've
considered
other
applications
in
other
districts
for
commercial
properties
where
outdoor
seating
was
important,
and
that
was
always
been
one
of
our
considerations
is
how
easy
is
it
to
get
it
sort
of
back
to
its
historic?
B
You
know
restoring
its
historic
integrity
down
the
road,
if
that's
the
direction
that
a
different
property
owner
might
want
to
go
in
the
future,
and
I
know
there's
there's
been
a
couple
of
examples
in
montford
historic
district
over
the
years.
Where
that's
been
a
consideration,
I
think
for
me
the
transparency
makes
it
really
easy
to
see
the
intact
sort
of
historic
pieces
of
the
property.
B
Without
this
new
thing
overriding
that-
and
so
I
I
think
it's
a
pretty
elegant
solution
in
this
particular
case
and
I'd
love
to
hear
some.
N
Very
simple
feedback:
it's
a
simple
low
profile
solution
and
I
have
really
no
further
comments
on
it.
U
Chairman,
I
think
that,
when
looking
at
visit
somewhat
reminds
me
of
past
projects
that
have
been
for
awnings
and
and
things
like
that,
where,
where
we'll
we'll
say
that,
since
it
is
temporary
or
not
permanent,
it
kind
of
allows
us
to
get
away
with
more
modern
materials.
U
So-
and
I
also
agree
with
what's
been
said-
that
the
transparency
of
it
and
the
fact
that
it
is
not
obstructing
the
view
of
the
historic
structure.
I
think
that
helps
as
well.
P
Madam
chairman,
I
agree
with
everything
that
has
been
said.
I
really
liked
how
it
is
transparent.
I
like
the
design
of
it
and
I
I
definitely
appreciate
that
it'll
be
replacing
the
umbrellas
that
are
currently
serving
this
purpose.
I
think
it's
going
to
look
a
lot
better
than
those
two
umbrellas.
H
Madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
excuse
me
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
project
description,
exhibit
b
aerial
images.
Excuse
me,
we've
got
the
wrong
one.
I.
E
H
E
Yeah,
let
me
just
yeah
sorry,
I
don't
know
what
I
did
here.
Oh
okay,
so
for
two,
the
design
standards
on
the
staff
report
are
correct.
If
you
want
to
just
use
that
if
you
have
that
in
front.
H
H
Okay
and
the
subject
property
will
yeah
will
be
changed,
but
that's
not
part
of
the
motion.
So,
madam
chair,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
to
this
commission,
including
exhibit
a
project
description,
two
pages
exhibit
b
elevation
drawings,
two
pages,
exhibit
c
site
plan,
exhibit
t
photographs
and
subject
property.
Three
pages
exhibit
e
rendering
of
proposed
structure.
Two
pages
exhibit
f
images
of
proposed
material.
Four
pages
exhibit
g
manufacturer
specifications
four
and
cost
estimates
for
metal
structure.
Five
pages
exhibit
h.
H
Google
street
view
image
and
the
commission's
actual
inspection
and
review
of
subject
property
by
all
members,
except
I
move
that
the
commission
approved
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
based
on
the
following
one,
but
the
application
is
to
remove
existing
patio
umbrellas
and
install
a
14
foot
by
27
foot
wide
by
nine
foot.
Four
inch
tall,
dark,
bronze,
extruded
aluminum,
covering
over
patio
area
structure,
will
have
two
inch
by
four
two
inch
by
eight
inch
cross
beams,
supported
by
six
inch
by
six
inch
posts.
H
Top
of
structure
will
be
louvered
and
will
have
a
motorized
operation
to
open
and
close
drop-down
plastic
screening
will
be
installed
within
the
structure
to
accommodate
inclement
weather.
All
work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
may
commence.
H
Two
that
the
standards
for
site
design
found
in
chapter
5
on
pages
22
23-26
in
the
biltmore
village
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
on
just
the
correct
date
october
1
in
1988.
Yes,
it
is
they're
used
to
elevate
to
evaluate
this
request.
Three,
the
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
H
B
B
H
D
H
B
Motion
was
by
vice
chair
eakins
in
a
second
by
commissioner
lazarus
roll
call
vote
again.
Vice
chair
eagans.
M
B
E
Thank
you
turkite.
This
application
is
super
straightforward.
It's
for
a
replacement
of
a
non-original
front
door
on
this
house
on
woodlawn,
which
is
such
a
sweet
little
house.
I
have
to
say
so.
The
non-original
door
is
obviously
on
the
left
and
the
proposed
door
is
on
the
right,
the
rest
of
your
application
packet.
I
didn't
put
all
of
those
slides
in
just
to
kind
of
save
us
some
time,
but
there
the
rest
of
the
images
in
your
packet
are
of
other
examples
of
other
front
doors
similar
to
this
to
what's
proposed
in
montford.
E
B
The
applicant
like
to
can
add
any
other
additional
information.
I'm
looking
to
see
here
is
on.
E
He's
he's
the
786
number,
that's
muted,
but
I
can't
unmute
him.
So
if
you
hit
star
six.
E
And
emily
or
cheer
quite
I
was
talking
to
shannon
before
the
meeting
just
to
ask.
If
you
know
there
was
any
issue
with
him
joining
via
phone
instead
of
being
on
video
and
she
said
no
and
that
actually
an
applicant
doesn't
even
have
to
be
present.
I
don't
think
he
necessarily
has
anything
to
add.
Unless
you
guys
have
issues
or
questions
for
him,
I
think.
K
G
B
Me
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
questions
at
the
moment.
We've
got
to
take
care
of
any
public
comment
that
might
be
waiting
to
speak
on
this.
B
I'm
going
to
close
the
floor
for
public
comment
and
open
any
additional
commissioner
dialogue
or
entertain
a
motion
if
we're
ready
for.
B
D
B
H
H
In
the
montford
historic
district
design,
review
standards
adopted
on
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
This
application
does
meet
the
design
standards
for
the
following
reasons.
A
new
door
will
would
and
the
design
is
compatible
with
the
original
opening
and
historic
character
of
the
building,
or
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
far
congruent
with
a
special
character.
The
special
historic
character
of
the
montford
historic
district.
N
B
Was
thank
you.
We
will
vote.
H
B
H
F
B
Myself,
I
and
that
motion
also
carries.
That
concludes
our
hearing
for
55
woodlawn
avenue
in
montford.
D
E
I
was
just
going
to
say
thank
you
pierre.
I
will
follow
up
with
you
in
the
next
couple
of
days.
E
E
Okay,
thank
you
turk
height,
so
this
last
application
is.
Let
me
get
to
the
correct
slide
here,
so
this
application
is
for
the
applewood
manor
on
cumberland
circle,
colonial
revival,
two-story
colonial
revival,
structure
that
has
several
porches
there's
two
one
there's
one
on
either
end
and
then
there's
one
on
the
rear.
E
So
the
part
of
this
application
is
proposing
to
restore
this
rear
porch.
That
was
enclosed
at
some
point
to
its
original
configuration.
E
E
Here,
I
think,
where
they're
installing
two
hung
windows
within
that
opening,
and
then
I
think
rob
I'm
for
some
reason.
I'm
hearing
myself
on
here
is
that.
J
E
Or
maybe
just
can
I
mute
you
until
you're
ready
to
speak,
yeah,
okay
and
so
the
the
main
difference.
I
think
you
can
see
here's
the
side,
elevation
elevation,
the
main
difference
you
can
kind
of
see
as
you
look
at
the
original
drawings,
which
are
down
at
the
end
of
my
presentation,
there's
a
stair
that
comes
down
here
off
the
back
side.
What
they're
proposing
is
to
go
the
stair
would
go
off
of
the
side
here.
E
Initially
I
and
I
and
I'll
still
let
the
applicant
speak
to
this.
I
I
asked
for
clarification
on
why
it
wasn't
being
proposed
in
the
exact
location
as
the
original,
but
I
did
go
on
to
the
site
today,
just
to
kind
of
understand
what
the
lay
of
the
land
is
and
they've
got.
This
kind
of
concrete
patio
area
around
the
base
of
the
porch
so
be
pretty
tight.
There's
a
they
have
a
bunch
of
seating
and
stuff
out
here
to
be
a
little
bit
tight
to
kind
of
move
around.
E
It
wouldn't
be
impossible,
but
but
just
as
an
fyi
on
that-
and
I
and
also
you
know
the
this-
would
not
be
visible
from
the
street.
You
wouldn't
see
it
at
all,
because
it's
tucked
behind
the
porch
in
front
of
it.
E
So
that's
one
piece,
the
their.
The
application
also
includes
adding
two
new
skylights
no
big
deal
in
that.
That's
something
that
we
would
approve
as
a
minor
work.
They'll
just
match
the
one
skylight,
that's
already
there.
It's
on
a
rear,
the
rear
facing
portion
of
roof,
so
small
item,
the
the
biggest
issue
for
this
application
to
me
or
challenge
to
me
is
that
they're
proposing
to
change
all
the
railing
heights.
E
On
the
second
floor
to
meet
building
code,
you
know
historic
railings
were
most
often
30
inches
and
they're,
proposing
to
raise
them
up
to
36
inches.
E
I
there
is
a
provision
in
the
north
carolina
building
code
for
historic
buildings
that
allows
for
historic
railings
to
remain
in
place,
even
when
they're
not
meeting
the
current
standard
and
we've
encountered
this
many
times
and
for
safety
reasons.
We
understand
that
you
know
that
sometimes
that's
a
concern.
E
You
know,
install
a
some
kind
of
like
metal
cable
within
the
the
porch
that
you
wouldn't
really
see
from
the
ground
that
you
know
that
wouldn't
necessarily
be
an
architectural
feature.
You
wouldn't
really
even
see
it
just
as
a
safety
measure
to
kind
of
prevent
people
from
you
know
to
have
that
kind
of
height
issue
mitigated,
and
you
know
like
in
some
structures,
I
think,
on
all
historic
structures.
It's
important
from
preservation
perspective.
E
However,
for
this
particular
structure
I
feel
like
it's
even
more
critical
because
it
is
designed
with
these
double
level.
Porches,
where
you,
if
you
raise
the
railing
on
the
top,
it's
going
to
throw
off
the
proportions
with
the
rest
of
the
porch,
it
doesn't
appear
to
me
it
as
you
can
well,
you
can't
actually
see
it
in
this
image
where
the
they're
showing
the
portion
on
the
right
is
the
one
closest
to
you,
whereas
the
one
on
the
left
is
further
back
on
the
building.
E
You
know,
if
you
look
at
the
original
drawings,
you
can
see
that
the
the
railing
height
oh
shoot.
Did
I
not
put
the
front
in
here,
but
you
can
even
see
it
in
these,
where
the
railing
height
aligns
with
the
bottom
of
the
windows,
and
so
I
feel
like
that
is
just
you
know,
a
visual
that
would
harm
the
character
of
this
building
if
those
were
altered.
So
that's
my
main
concern
about
the
application.
E
The
there
was
also
in
the
project
description,
some,
the
replacement
of
the
porch
flooring
on
all
the
first
floor.
Porches
and
the
guidelines
require
that
you
know
historic
materials,
even
including
porch
flooring.
If
it's
original
to
be
retained
as
much
as
possible.
Obviously
you
know
kind
of
get
to
a
point
where
it
needs
to
be
replaced,
but
still
it's
not
super
common
for
us
to
approve
wholesale
replacement
unless
there's
substantial
damage.
E
So
I
asked
for
more
information
on
that
some
photographs
documenting
the
existing
conditions
of
those
porch
flooring,
and
I
I'm
not
sure
I'll.
Let
rob
or
one
of
the
other
folks
that
are
here
for
this
project
to
speak
to
this,
but
the
architect
conveyed
to
me
that
they
would
either
submit
additional
information
or
maybe
not
included
in
the
application.
I'm
not
really
sure
so.
E
I
haven't
received
any
any
additional
info
on
that,
so
so
we
would
recommend
you
know
repairing
as
much
as
possible
if
the
flooring
is
original,
but
obviously
that
would
just
be
pending
review
of
whatever
the
set,
whatever
the
conditions
are
on
the
site.
As
far
as
the
flooring
goes,
so
I
did
add
into
the
packet.
Hopefully
you
can
access
it,
but
just
let
me
know
if
you're
having
trouble
with
the
design
standard
folder,
I
did
add
the
section
of
building
code
in
there
that
refers
to
railings
for
historic
buildings.
E
So
I
think
that
is
all
all
that
I
have
to
to
share.
I
I
noted
some
additional
info
that
we
were
requesting
for
review.
We
did
get
the
skylight
dimensions
that
I
need
to
add
to
the
ca
request.
Well,
you
all
have
your
discussion.
E
The
window
specs
also
are
in
there,
and
so
that
was
it
so
happy
to
help
answer
questions.
M
Hey
alex
on
page
73
of
the
montford
guidelines
item
six,
I'm
sure
that's
what
you
were
talking
about
when
the
the
porch
is
missing
and
then
there's
a
a
drawing
of
what
it
should
be,
that
it
should
be.
It
should
go
to
that
if
historic,
porch,
entrance
or
balcony
is
missing,
replace
it
with
either
a
reconstruction
based
on
accurate
documentation
or
a
new
design
compatible
with
a
historic
character,
so
you're
kind
of
going
historic
character
instead
of
the
the
architectural
drawing
on
on
the
steps
going
up
to
the
kitchen.
E
Well,
so
I
think,
in
my
mean
and
again
I'll,
let
them
speak
to
you
all
on
their
reasoning
for
the
location
of
the
stairs.
I
to
me
it
wasn't
a
critical
feature
of
the
porch
you
know
like
if
it
were
in
a
different
location
and
it
were
highly
visible.
I
might
take
a
stronger
stance
on
it
being
entirely
exactly
like
the
original
plan
was,
but
that
it
won't
be
visible.
It's
not
really
to
me.
It
doesn't
really
alter
the
character
of
the
whole
porch
or
the
building
to
to
have
the
steps
in
a
different
orientation.
E
B
I
think
will
the
way
I
heard
what
you
were
just
reading
too
there's
a
it's
an
or
choice
without
hierarchy,
so
you
can
either
match
what
was
drawn
originally
or
design
or
do
something
that's
compatible.
There
didn't
seem
in
what
you
read
to
be
any
kind
of
hierarchy
on
which
is
preferred
gotcha
yeah,
I
guess
is
I'm
looking.
I
think,
a
little
bit
for
confirmation
will
from
you
that
maybe
you
read
it
the
same
way
or
that
others
read
it
that
way
as
well
as
we
look.
M
No,
I
I
agree
that
that
yeah,
that
it's
an
either
or
just
I
think
it's
a
little
glaring
when
the
plan
is
there
for
what
was
there
from
the
balustrade
to
the
to
those
stairs,
and
I
completely
agree
that
the
raising
that
to
30
a
a
bar,
a
booster
bar
on
top
of
there
or
some
other
solution,
that's
dark
and
disappears.
M
B
Okay,
it
looks
like
we've
got
a
few
folks
here
on
behalf
of
the
application.
Rob
is
there
anything
that
you
would
like
to
add.
J
Yeah
this
is
rob
moody
with
hands
of
sean
perry
and
been
talking
with
the
applicants,
and
they
are
okay
to
explore
the
cable
idea
in
the
upper
level.
J
J
So
we
could.
We
could
go
with
a
cable
design
there
and
and
totally
understood
that
that
the
massing
would
be
off,
and
it
was
something
that
we
had
talked
about
and
as
far
as
the
porch
floors
as
well,
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
historic
porches
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
think
there
is
a
fair
amount
that
we
can
salvage
and
only
a
place
where
it's
actually
rotten,
and
there
are.
There
are
a
few
boards
that
are
actually
rotten
but
we'd,
replace
it
again
with
tongue
groove
pine
that
would
match
the
original.
B
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant
or,
if
there's
other
folks
here
on
behalf
of
this
application,
that
would
like
to
add
something
I
think
there's
a
few
others
brent
campbell
or
robin
collins.
If
there's
anything
else,
you'd
like
to
add,
go
ahead.
F
J
I'll
also
add
that
the
location
of
the
stair
is
for
flow
and
use
of
that
back
area
for
entertainment.
It's
a
good
space
for
for
their
business
and
and
since
the
the
porch
and
the
full
foundation,
there's
a
there's,
a
stone
foundation
below
that
with
some
lattice.
J
You
really
cannot
see
the
stairs
from
the
front
at
all,
so
the
stairs
in
that
location
is
more
important
to
the
applicant
than
than
the
the
railing
is
since
there's
an
alternative
to
the
railing
being
raised
that
could
meet
the
safety
guidelines
and
also
the
historic
guidelines.
J
They're,
the
the
existing
skylight-
that's
in
there
is
22
by
28
so
sitting
between
what
I'm
assuming
is
24
inch
on
center
rafters
and
then
what
we
propose
is
that
we
go
back
with
22
24
by
24
is
the
call
number
for
the
v
lux
skylights,
but
it
would
be
22
by
on
the
inside,
and
I
I
don't
remember,
the
exact
height
but
close
to
24..
D
Correct
there
are
other
questions
for
the
applicant,
the
applicant.
B
B
I,
for
me,
I've
got
you
know
the
subject
of
the
railings.
I
think
it's.
I
appreciate
the
willingness
to
consider
options
there.
I
understand
where
this
is.
You
know
got
sort
of
a
commercial
use
in
a
residential
district.
I
think
there
is
maybe
a
heightened
need
for
us
to
consider
safety
differently
than
we
might
if
this
was
a
single
family
residence.
B
Obviously
I
spent
a
very
fair
bit
of
time
reading
the
building
code
every
day.
So
I
think
if
there
is
a
a
nice
elegant
solution
that
maintains
the
integrity
of
the
of
the
massing
of
those
porches
and
the
railings,
but
can
offer
a
level
of
comfort
and
encode
compliance
in
an
alternate
detail.
I
think
that
would
be
appreciated
in
terms
of
putting
a
cable
rail
system
or
something
behind
there.
That
can
be
really
just
sort
of
falls
away
from
what's
visible.
B
B
I
think
there
would
be
a
housekeeping
item
to
amend
the
application
to
reflect
the
the
change
to
the
railing
design.
If
that's
the
direction
that
the
applicant
would
like
to
go
and
so
rob
it
might
be.
If,
if
we
are
looking
to
move
forward
on
the
application
with
a
motion
tonight,
we
would
need
you
to
sort
of
address
the
commission
with
a
request
to
amend
the
application.
J
U
D
B
I
think
for
the
record,
we've
we've
got
an
amendment
to
or
request
to
amend
the
application,
to
submit
alternative
railing
details
to
staff
for
final
approval
and
that
the
existing
railings
would
remain
intact.
Is
that
correct.
E
Yeah-
and
I
I
think
also
whoever
reads
the
motion:
when
you
get
to
the
sentence
about
the
porch
flooring,
I
can
help
you,
but
just
basically
saying
repair
porch
flooring
as
needed,
retaining
as
much
original
material
as
possible
and
just
make
it
that
simple
and
then
that
way
they
can
repair
them
as
needed.
Does
that
work
for
you
rob?
Is
that
what
you
all
are.
H
H
The
primary
structure
construct
a
new
stairway
leading
from
restored
porch
to
side
yard,
install
two
marvin
wood
for
four
over
four
double
hung,
sdl
or
true,
divided
light
windows
and
existing
open
within
porch,
replacing
30
inch
tall,
original
wood,
porch
railings
on
second
story
of
the
structure.
I
can.
H
H
Okay,
install
cable
system
within
existing
porch
railings
on
second
story
of
the
structure.
H
Replace
any
replace
rotten,
porch
flooring
on
first
floor
with
matching
with
wood
flooring,
matching
original
install
two
new
vellux,
approximately
22
by
24
skylights
on
rear-facing
portion
of
roof
fall.
Work
will
be
in
accordance
with
attached
drawings
and
plans.
All
permits,
variances
or
approvals,
as
required
by
law,
must
be
obtained
before
work
day,
commence.
H
Two
that
the
standards
for
porches
entrances
and
balconies
found
on
pages,
72-73,
accessibility
and
life,
safety,
modifications
on
pages,
54-55
and
doors
on
pages,
84-85
and
utilities,
and
mechanical
systems.
On
pages
82-83
in
the
montford
historic
district
design
review
standards
adopted
april
14,
2010
and
amended
december
9
2019
were
used
to
evaluate
this
request.
H
New
porch
railings,
no
we're
not
going
to
do
any
of
that.
The
b
is
actually
we're
going
to
go
to
c
right.
Correct
porch
floors
are
being
repaired
as
needed,
while
retaining
and
preserving
as
much
historic
porch
flooring
material
as
possible
and
replacing
any
unretained
porch
flooring
material
with
wood
matching.
The
original
the
new
skylights
will
be
located
on
the
rear
facing
rope's
roof
slope.
Four,
that
the
action
and
improvements
proposed
in
the
application
before
us
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
are
congruent
with
the
special
historic
character
of
the
montford
historic
district.
B
That
was
a
motion
by
vice
chair
eakins
and
a
second
by
commissioner
watson,
we'll
vote
by
roll
call
vice.
K
G
K
B
B
H
H
D
J
P
G
B
E
We
have
other
business.
I
don't
have
anything
on
my
list
for
this
agenda,
but
if
you,
if
anyone
has
anything
that
they
want
to
discuss
now's
your
time.