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From YouTube: Neighborhood Advisory Committee – February 27, 2023
Description
Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Neighborhood Advisory Committee.
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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
meeting,
which
is
February
27th
from
6
to
7
30
p.m.
First
I'd
like
for
my
name,
is
Babette
Mays
and
I.
Am
the
chair
of
this
committee
and
so
I'm
going
to
ask
everyone
to
give
a
small
greeting
to
let
people
know
that
you're
here
and
who
you
are
and
what
ZIP
code
you
represent.
I
do
represent
2803
and
287-04
and,
let's
start
with
Wendy.
A
G
A
I
need
to
get
approval
of
the
draft
minutes
from
January
the
23rd
are
there
any
addition.
Is
there
any
corrections
to
anything
that
was
on
that
track?
A
Second,
it
if
the
motion
has
been
made
in
second
it
made
by
Elise
and
second
by
Peter.
Is
there
any
questions
to
the
motion,
if
not
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed?
Okay?
A
So,
if
everybody's
gotten
a
chance
to
look
at
the
agenda
for
this
evening,
we
do
have
someone
the
assistant
fire
chief
Patrick
is
here,
and
we
have
Chris.
Finally,
is
here:
if
there's
anything
else
that
we
need
to
add
on
to
that
or
we
would
like
to
add
on
until
before
we
go
on
so
I
just
want
to
make
a
brief
comment
that,
as
these
people
come
up
to
speak,
that
if
we
will
wait
until
they're
finished
with
their
presentation
before
we
ask
questions,
that'll
help
us
to
move
on.
A
H
I
Good
evening,
how's
everyone
good
evening,
good
good
good,
so
just
to
give
you
an
update,
so
we
have
contracted
with
Percy's
consulting
company
and
we're
working
on
a
continuity
of
operation.
We
call
it
coop
for
short
and
EOP
emergency
operation
planning
as
a
city
as
an
organization.
What
that
means
for
our
neighborhoods
that
we
serve
is.
I
It
enables
us
to
prepare
in
advance
to
be
a
better
Organization
for
you
to
citizens
to
be
able
to
continue
our
operation,
no
matter
what
emergency
happens
with
this
cyber
man-made
natural,
whatever
comes
our
way,
makes
us
a
better
organization,
makes
us
more
prepared
to
serve
you.
The
citizens,
so
continuity
of
operation
is
pretty
much
whatever
disaster
happens.
How
are
we
going
to
continue
to
provide
our
services
to
our
Citizens
emergency
operation?
I
Planning
is
yes,
as
it
sounds
that
we
have
an
emergency,
how
we're
going
to
plan
around
those
emergencies
every
day
we
have
well
not
every
day,
but
often
we
have
fires.
Car
wrecks
medical
calls
things
we
consider
routine
in
the
city
with
emergency
operation
planning.
Those
are
larger
events
that
might
happen
in
our
city,
whether
it
be
weather
events,
heaven
forbid,
any
type
of
Cyber
attack
earthquakes.
B
I
would
like
to
ask:
how
are
you
getting
this
information
out
to
the
city.
I
So
with
our
with
the
help
of
our
Cape
team
and
and
our
pios,
our
public
engagement
we'll
push
that
through
to
our
neighborhoods
to
our
communities,
they're
the
experts,
so
they
will
push
all
the
information
out
as
we
start
to
develop
our
plans.
B
We
have
so
many
new
neighbors
new
people
coming
into
Asheville,
that
many
of
them
don't
even
know
where
our
fire
department
is
located.
Is
it
something
that
you
could
also
incorporate
with
the
fire
truck,
is
to
go
throughout
the
neighborhoods
and
and
let
them
know
where
you
are,
if
they
need
any
help,
and
that
type
of
thing
so.
I
So
we
actually
have
a
Citizens
fire
academy,
so
we
encourage
our
community
to
come,
be
a
part
of
our
citizen
fire
academy.
Not
only
will
you
learn
where
your
fire
stations
are,
but
you
actually
learn
the
functions
and
services
that
we
provide
and
you
get
to
be
a
part
of
you
could
come
to
the
station
sit
down
and
have
a
meal
sit
with
firefighters
or
firefighters,
your
city
and
ask
all
the
questions
that
you
like
and.
C
I
Will
you
invited
me
here?
So
that's
a
start.
So
what
we
like
to
do
is
make
sure
that
our
citizens
and
our
community
know
that
we're
here
in
the
services
that
we
do
provide
and
that,
if
you
ever
need
anything,
always
come
to
a
station.
There's
a
station
close
to
all
of
you.
That's
how
our
stations
are
built
and
designed.
There's
a
fire
station
and
every
at
least
one
in
every
neighborhood.
H
I
So,
currently,
the
stations
would
not
have
that
they're,
a
part
of
the
development
they're
part
of
the
process
that
the
fire
department
and
the
city
is
putting
together,
but
they
may
not
have
that
information.
Currently,
if
you
needed
that
information,
you
would
come
through
through
our
Cape
program
or
our
fire
department.
H
J
And
chief
crew,
if
I
can
I
can
add,
we
just
met
earlier
this
week.
I
think
it
was
her
last
week.
J
There's
more
so,
we
are
putting
together
a
comprehensive
plan
so
that
we
can
keep
people
connected
with
it
and
they
can
get
the
kind
of
input
that
they
need
to
from
our
from
our
community
to
put
together
a
really
great
plan.
So
there
will
be
more
information
coming
on
that
on
the
engagement
right
now,
they're
really
focused
on
internal
services
and
making
sure
we've
got
the
lay
of
that
land.
A
So
some
of
our
neighborhoods
have
newsletters
Shiloh
will
be
putting
out
one
in
April.
I
know:
Eastern
Valley
you
have
one
and
Burton
Street
has
one.
So
if
you
could
make
sure
that
you
get
that
information
when
it
starts
up,
we
can
put
that
in
our
newsletters
and
that'll
go
out
because
we're
going
to
start
expanding
our
newsletter
to
the
churches
too,
in
the
neighborhood.
So
information
will
get
out
more.
A
B
I
B
B
Okay,
great
we're
looking
for
a
neighborhood
event
for
the
whole
city,
so
this
would
be
a
great
opportunity
for
you
to
have
a
table
to
talk
about
your
project
as
well
as
to
have
a
fire
truck
to
let
the
children
explore.
E
A
B
J
One
in
in
years
past,
but
but
the
advisory
committee
is
working
to
hold.
J
K
H
D
Well,
to
summarize,
Peter
did
a
good
job
of
kind
of
looking
through
them
and
suggesting
some
edits
and
I
and
Sharon
have
made
some
comments
and
we're
kind
of
just
discussing
a
few
more
details.
But
it's
yeah.
H
Those
resolutions,
because
they're
voted
on
the
council
and
according
to
change
anything
in
the
bylaws
on
those
particular
items,
and
we
had
to
go
back
to
council
with
them
so
I
added
them,
which
probably
should
add
the
to
the
to
the
comments
and
our
bylaws
that
if
anybody
in
the
future
wants
to
change
in
the
event,
if
it's
going
to
be
Council
driven
and
then
I
just
agreed
with
your
comments.
So.
D
D
We
have
to
prepare
like
to
get
your
finalization
yeah
and
then
exactly
show
like
which
wording
is
changing
and
changing
to
what
so
we'll
have
a
sheet
that
shows
that
prepared
before
the
next
meeting.
Okay.
B
So
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
looking
at
doing
a
neighborhood
Festival.
Is
this
what
you
wanted
me
to
talk
about
right
now?
Okay,
because
I
also
have
some
other
things.
I
I
want
to
talk
about,
but
anyway,
I
have
been
in
touch
with
John
Philman
and
we
have
been
working
together
and
have
locked
in
carrier,
Park
and
I'm
so
excited
about
Kerry.
Apart
for
our
neighborhood,
I
have
also
filled
out
all
of
the
information
that
is
necessary
for
the
outdoor
public
space.
B
The
event
used
in
query
and
I
have
it
for
Darwa
and
I
have
a
question
for
our
group,
and
that
is
what
would
we
like
to
call
our
Festival
as
I
was
doing
a
lot
of
research
recently,
that's
one
of
the
things
I
enjoy
doing
is
researching,
but
one
of
the
things
I
Came
Upon
was
a
lot
of
the
cities
around
our
country.
Call
It,
Good,
Neighbor,
Day,
Festival
and
I
thought.
Oh,
what
a
great
idea
Good
Neighbor,
because
that's
what
we
want.
B
B
So
that's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
consider
another
one
is
just
a
neighborhood
Festival,
but
Good
Neighbor,
Day
Festival,
and
that
is
also
an
event
that
President
Carter
had
implemented
back
for
September
23rd
as
a
national
neighborhood
day,
and
so
what
we
have
tried
to
do
is
find
a
Saturday
within
that
time
frame
as
to
when
we
could
have
our
event
and
so
there's
the
23rd
of
September,
which
is
also
a
Saturday,
and
then
the
other
one
is
the
30th
of
September
and
we're
aiming
for
the
30th
right
now
and
that
will
be
the
one
we
lock
in
I
have
filled
out
all
the
paperwork,
that's
necessary
and
have
everything
right
here
to
submit
to
dawa.
E
B
What
we
envision-
and
this
is
our
vision
board-
is
that
each
neighborhood,
that
is,
a
28804,
there's
10
different
neighborhoods
in
that
zip
code
area.
What
we
would
like
for
them
to
do
is
set
up
a
table
from
each
of
the
neighborhoods
within
that
area,
and
they
would
all
be
clumped
together,
so
that
the
people
could
walk
around
and
find
what
neighborhood
is
appropriate
for
their
area
find
out
what's
going
on
in
their
neighborhood.
What
are
they
doing?
B
That
would
be
something
that
they
could
participate
with,
and
so
that
would
be,
and
we'd
have
big
signs
saying
this
is
28804,
and
this
is
2805
or
whatever
the
ZIP
code
is,
and
then
they
can
walk
over
in
the
into
those
areas
and
say:
oh
well,
I'm
with
Beaver
Lake.
So
what
is
the
name
of
that
one?
B
And
so
then
we
can
help
them
direct
and
they
would
also
have
an
assignment
Peter
that
the
people
within
that
neighborhood
would
help
man
the
tables
and
help
us
with
volunteer
work
as
well
as
set
up
and
break
down.
B
Also
were
interested
in
adding
some
organizations,
so
many
people
are
new
to
our
neighborhoods
and
they
don't
know
about
the
Lions
Clubs
or
they
don't
know
about
rotary.
They
don't
know
about
these
other
organizations
that
are
real
beneficial
for
our
our
city
and
I.
Think
it
would
be
wonderful
if
they
would
also
have
tables
set
up.
I've
also
had
a
wonderful
conversation
with
Keith
who's
over
at
Montford
Park,
and
they
work
with
Buncombe
County
partnership
for
children
and
have
a
mobile
playground.
B
So
this
is
a
modular
unit
that
they
will
bring
out.
Keith
said
he
would
be
more
than
happy
to
arrange
to
have
this
playground
it's
where
children
can
work
together
and
build
a
construction
and
have
a
really
good
time
interacting
together.
So
this
is
a
mobile
playground
that
is
done
through
Buncombe
County
partnership
for
children
and
Asheville,
Parks
and
Rec
and
Keith
said
that
he
would
be
more
than
happy
to
to
put
that
on
the
schedule.
So
that
was
really
great.
We
also
talked
about
food
trucks
having
them
come
and
provide.
G
C
C
We
did
spend
some
time
talking
about
getting
affordable
food
options
because
not
everybody
can
get
a
12
taco
or
something
from
the
food
truck.
So
we
really
want
it
to
be
accessible
to
everyone
and
then
one
of
the
biggest
things
if
we
want
to
have
music
is
stage
and
permits
and
a
lot
of
the
logistics
around
that.
So
those
are
just
a
lot
of
things
that
came
up
in
our
conversation.
C
C
That's
what
okay,
the
right
terminology-
and
there
were
39
I,
think
listed
there,
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
I
know
Babette
you're,
always
asking
us
to
go
to
people's
neighborhood
association
meetings
that
are
not
just
in
our
own
neighborhood
and
I
wondered
if
we
could
each
take
two
or
three
neighborhood
associations
and
be
the
liaison
to
funnel
information
to
those
few
about
what's
happening
with
the
Festival
of
neighborhood
planning
and
recruiting
for
volunteers.
So
that
was
one
idea.
B
We
had
lots
of
ideas
that
just
lots
and
lots
of
ideas
and
coming
back
to
the
group
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
you
would
like
to
implement
and
see.
One
of
the
things
I
was
thinking
about
is
the
majorettes.
B
If
we
had
a
team
of
children
are
dancing
on
on
a
stage
that
would
be
absolutely
fantastic,
something
that
shows
the
community
in
a
whole
I
also
thought
of
a
mariachi
band,
some
way
to
touch
base
with
all
the
cultural
diversity
that
is
in
our
city
and
also
have
them
have
tables
set
up
so
that
they
can
give
out
information
to
the
the
public.
B
We
also
talked
about
possibly
having
some
down
time
and
having
some
yoga
for
some
of
the
people
and
having
actual
Community
yoga
do
some
of
that.
So
we
we
want
to
include
all
all
kinds
of
ways
that
the
city
can
represents
itself
not
only
within
the
neighborhood
but
as
a
whole.
B
Yeah.
One
of
the
things
I
also
wanted
to
talk
about
is
our
initiative,
as
a
committee
has
been
given
from
the
mayor
to
start
looking
at
I'm,
just
going
to
say
civil
defense
ways
that
we
can
prepare
ourselves
for
if
there's
a
type
of
catastrophe,
as
you
were
talking
about-
and
this
is
another
wonderful
way
to
have
our
police
present
and
talk
about
things
as
well
as
having
the
library
bus
there
and
having
information
to
hand
out
to
people
so
that
they
can
take
it
back
and
think
about.
B
You
know
if
our
water
is
cut
off
again
or
we
have
any
problems
with
our
electrical
grid.
What
do
we
do
as
individuals
as
well
as
what
do
we
do
in
our
community
in
our
neighborhood?
So
those
are
all
things
that
I
mean
it's
a
huge
encompassing
picture
that
would
be
involved,
but
that's
many
of
the
ideas
that
we
had.
F
Have
you
been
in
contact
with
Mike
Sewell
at
Echelon
bikes
to
possibly
bring.
A
K
A
And
I
want
to
think
about.
If
I
were
to
engage
in
my
community
for
young
people
to
come,
would
they
be
interested
in
all
the
pieces
that
you're
talking
about?
Are
young
adults
with
all
the
pieces
that
you're
talking
about,
and
that
kind
of
like
is
it
makes
me
feel
like
it's
not
designed
for
us,
because
it's
a
carrier
part
which
is
an
area
where
it's
far
off
from
where
the
mainstream
of
communities
are
for
not
for
where
I
live
and
in
that
location?
And
would
somebody
want
to
travel
there
for
how
are
you?
A
How
are
you
going
to
get
people
excited
about
coming
to
an
all-day
Festival,
because
just
by
having
tables
set
out,
that's
not
going
to
Intrigue
people
to
want
to
come
and
stay
or
to
go
home
and
invite
somebody
else
to
stay.
A
So
I
would
just
ask
it's
not
for
a
discussion
or
to
take
time
on,
but,
as
you
look
into
this,
you've
got
to
understand
that
we
live
in
a
time
where
you
know
diversity
plays
a
key
and
I
mean
I,
see
all
I
see
people
all
over,
and
it's
not
just
about
One
race
of
people.
One
genre
of
people,
but
for
all
people
and
I
would
hope
that
you
would
go
back
and
look
at
maybe
some
things
outside
of
your
own
comfort
zone
as
to
how
we
can
engage
the
entire
city.
H
Yeah
we
had
that
discussion.
Our
problem
is,
is
what
was
available
to
us
that
we
could
accomplish.
Where
would
we
wouldn't
have
to
rent
a
stage
so
that
we
could
have
why
we
were
looking
at
by
Wendy
and
I,
went
over
to
Mumford
and
looked
over
there,
because
we
need
something
set
up
with
electricity
and
we
didn't
have
it
at
this
East
in
Valley.
You.
A
A
B
A
So
without,
if
you're
talking
about
a
stage
without
the
cost
and.
K
A
H
G
J
Can
I
can
say
that
we've
got
it's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
involved
at
that
level,
I
think
there
may
be
some
rental
things
that
we
have
available,
but
I
don't
know
that
there
are
a
whole
lot
that
the
city
itself
could
print
out
for
events,
but
that
is
certainly
something
that
we
can
get
a
list
to.
You
guys
Recreation.
H
A
H
Your
whatever
your
plans
there's
a
preset
for
an
hour
and
we
brainstormed.
We
wanted
it
to
Eastern
Valley.
But,
having
done
a
me
organized
part
with
my
community,
knowing
the
logistics
of
what
it
took
to
set
that
up
for
everything,
so
I
mean
if
you've
got
I
mean
it'd,
be
great.
If
you
have
opinions
and
ideas
so
come
join
us
on
this.
So
we
don't
head
down
a
rabbit
hole
and
you
see
us
going
someplace.
A
A
Carrier
party
is
not
a
place,
I
would
say,
I
would
come
to
right
and
if
I
talk
to
the
shallow
Community
Association,
you
might
have
some
of
the
seniors
that
may
come
and
set
up
a
table.
But
if
we're
talking
about
a
festival
for
community-
and
you
won't
get
my
community
there
because
of
where
it's
working
and
what
you
you
won't
draw
them,
you
won't
draw
other
people
from
from
invalid
right
to
come.
You
won't
draw
even
the
people
from
stop
town
which
is
still
there
so
I'm
still
there.
So
we're.
K
H
J
K
B
A
A
B
B
We
thought
that
might
be
a
little
small.
Oh
you,
you
were
concerned
about
the
baseball
field.
C
I
would
I
would
like
to
ask
everybody
on
the
neighborhood
advisory
committee
to
consider
you
know
being
the
liaison
about
this
and
getting
information
to
a
couple
of
other
neighborhood
associations,
and
you
know
if
people
want
I,
don't
know
if
that's
feasible,
if
that's
doable,
but
people
can
sort
of
say,
okay,
I'll.
Take
these
three
I'll.
K
C
L
L
There
we
go
and
it's
almost
okay,
okay,
good
evening
everybody
I
am
Chris
Collins,
as
you
said,
I'm
playing
the
vote,
division
manager
with
development
services
for
the
city
and
I'm
happy
to
be
here
tonight
to
talk
to
you
all
about
the
pre-development
community
meeting
requirements
and
what
that
is
before
I
start
flipping
through
a
few
slides.
Whenever
a
prospective
developer
has
the
idea
that
they
want
to
want
to
develop
a
piece
of
land
right
and
it's
going
to
qualify
as
one
of
our
larger
development
thresholds
and
per.
K
L
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
say,
Throw
around
terms
at
a
level
two
development
level,
three
you've
probably
heard
of
conditional
rezonings
and
major
subdivisions
I'll
try
and
keep
those
real
simple
about
what
those
are
anything.
That's
commercial,
that's
going
to
be
over
20
000
square
feet
in
a
new
building,
any
subdivision
of
land,
that's
going
to
be
creating
new
roads
or
extending
utilities,
and
things
like
that
and
any
development
at
all.
That's
seeking
to
change
the
zoning
when
it
comes
in.
L
So
those
are
the
types
of
developments
we're
talking
about
here.
When
we
talk
about
this
now
a
while
back
a
few
years
ago,
the
city
introduced
a
requirement
for
these
pre-application
Community
meetings
and
the
important
thing
that
I
want
to
leave.
Y'all
with
tonight
after
I,
go
through
a
few
slides
and
points
and
answer
some
questions.
Is
that
we're
looking
to
do
a
text
Amendment
to
the
unified
development
ordinance?
So
that's
our
zoning,
that's
going
to
create
and
I
say,
create.
L
So,
like
I
said
it's
going
to
replace
some
very
general
code
language
right
now,
it
essentially
says
notify
everybody
within
200
feet
choose
a
time,
that's
convenient
time
and
place.
That's
designed
to
be
convenient.
The
ordinance
says
and
have
the
meeting
right.
L
That's
pretty
much
the
only
guideline,
that's
in
there
right
now,
so
so
far
in
developing
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
all
tonight,
we've
worked
extensively
with
some
members
of
the
Coalition
of
national
neighborhoods
because
they
really
approached
us
about
this
from
the
beginning
and
said:
hey:
can
you
make
this
better
and
it
wasn't
on
anybody's
work
plan,
but
we
were
like
you're
right.
It
does
need
to
be
better,
let's
see
what
we
can
do,
but
we've
also
kind
of
as
a
counterbalance
to
that.
We've
worked
with
the
development
customer
Advisory
Group.
L
So
that's
a
group
made
up
of
Engineers
landowners.
Attorneys
developers
where
we
can
kind
of
say,
is
what
we're
about
to
propose
crazy
right.
Is
this
going
to
make
you
guys
really
upset
just
so
we
know
right
and
we've
also
made
some
appearances
with
the
Buncombe
County
Legacy
neighborhoods
coalition,
to
talk
about
this
as
well.
So
we've
tried
to
reach
out
and
now
this
is
kind
of
moving
through
the
official
channels
and
we
are
starting
with
neighborhood
advisory
committee.
L
So,
let's
talk
about
these
notifications,
there's
a
few
key
components
here
right
there
is
a
radius,
that's
required
to
be
notified,
so
radius
around
the
properties,
and
there
is
a
timing
of
the
notice.
So
how
far
in
advance
the
neighbors
need
to
be
notified
that
this
individual
is
seeking
to
file
an
application.
L
I
should
have
asked
how
many
of
y'all
have
received
one
of
these
notifications
before
okay
copy
you
all
right,
so
you
know
a
little
bit
what
I'm
talking
about
so
right
now
that
we're
going
to
start
with
the
radius
right
now
that
radius
is
all
Property
Owners
within
200
feet
and
I
just
picked
a
parcel
at
random.
This
is
somewhere
on
Charlotte,
Street
I
think
it
might
be
the
old
abandoned,
maybe
Ingles
on
site,
but
this.
K
L
L
What
we're
looking
to
do
or
for
our
proposed
Udo
text
amendment
is
going
to
change
that
to
400
feet,
and
it
is
in
this
same
example
that
shows
it
doubles
the
radius.
It
would
take
it
up
to
77
property
owners
that
are
notified
now
I'm
going
to
make
one
statement
and
ask
that
you.
Let
me
explain
this
in
a
slide
a
little
later,
but
CB.
L
Proposed
to
remain
with
a
200
foot
notification
radius,
but
I
promise
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
that
all
right.
The
next
kind
of
major
change
or
change.
That's
going
to
have
an
impact
is
the
notification
timing.
So
this
timeline
right
here
shows
that,
right
now
the
ordinance
requires
that
notification
that
goes
out
to
the
neighbors
to
provide
10
days
notice
of
the
impending
meeting
date.
L
L
Period
right
now,
but
we
haven't
found
a
lot
of
use
out
of
that
waiting
period.
Yet
honestly,
so
didn't
really
come
up
to
change
that
so
once
that
goes
on.
So
at
this
point
we've
notified
every
property
here
within
400
feet:
we've
given
them
14
days
notice
that
we're
going
to
have
a
meeting
about
this
development.
L
But
as
far
as
the
location
and
time
of
the
meeting,
I
kind
of
quoted
you
what
that
is,
it
says
the
location
to
design
time
designed
to
be
allowed
to
allow
interested
neighbors
to
attend
well
for
City
staff.
That's
really
hard
to
judge
right!
It's
a
it's!
A
judgment
call
some
of
these.
We
can
look
at
yeah.
You
had
your
meeting
in
the
cul-de-sac
and
30-day
degree
rain.
L
We
don't
think
you
met
the
intent,
but
other
times
it's
a
little
more
gray.
The
registration
of
the
meeting
or
letting
the
city
know
that
it's
happening.
There's
no
specified
requirement
for
that
now:
format
there
of
required
signage
posted
on
the
property
and
even
signage
post
on
the
property.
That's
something
that's
not
necessarily
in
the
ordinance,
but
we
as
staff
have
been
telling
them
that
we
think
that's
what
the
ordinance
means.
So
we've
been
asking
them
to
do
that,
but
there
are
no
specified
requirements.
L
The
notice
that
you
get
for
those
of
you
all
that
have
gotten
it.
If
you've
gotten
more
than
one.
You
know
it's
different
every
time,
so
there's
no
specified
requirements
for
that
notice,
reporting
back
about
what
happened
at
that
meeting.
Who
came
to
the
meeting
all
those
things?
It's
pretty
free
form
right
now
we
sometimes
will
get
a
scribble
down
attendance
sheet
and
what
the
developer
thought
was.
The
important
discussion
right.
L
So
that's
where
we
are
right
now
on
that
and
in
the
proposed
regulations
and
I'm
going
to
dig
into
a
couple
of
these
a
little
deeper,
but
let's
kind
of
overview
them.
First
location
and
time
of
the
meeting,
we're
not
proposing
a
change
in
the
ordinance,
but
we
are
proposing
to
provide
a
little
more
guidance
and
a
couple
more
guide
rails.
There,
registration
of
the
meeting
with
the
city
we
are
going
to
be
in
this
proposal
requiring
that
they
register
that
meeting
with
the
city.
L
We
as
staff
see
it's
important,
that
this
meeting
happened
between
the
developer
and
the
neighbors
neighbors.
At
this
point,
this
is
before
an
application
has
come
in
and
no
staff
have
analyzed
it.
In
my
experience
and
in
years
of
doing
this
and
well
10
years
in
Asheville
now
and
many
years
other
places
when
staff
get
involved
early,
they
tend
to
kind
of
be
a
crutch
for
both
sides
and
can
often
act
as
a
barrier
to
that
communication
and
what
we
want.
L
L
That
gets
mailed
there'll
be
a
requirement
to
provide
at
a
minimum
what
we
provide
to
them
on
a
city
provided
template,
reporting
of
a
meeting,
a
requirement
to
report
via
a
city
provided
standardized
form.
I'll
tell
you
why
that's
important
a
little
later
and
format
and
best
meeting
practices-
and
this
is
a
really
great
part.
This
is
a
guide
we've
developed,
which
I'll
talk
about
a
little
here.
You
can
always
dig
into
it.
It's
on
our
TRC
webpage,
but
the
ordinance
itself
would
require
would
contain
a
requirement
that
the
developer
follow.
L
These
City
provided
best
practices
for
the
community
meeting
and,
like
I,
said
I'll
delve
into
that
a
little
more
one
final
requirement.
This
is
a
simple
one,
but
seems
to
be
a
good
one.
To
me
is
that
notification
of
registered
may
or.
K
L
Associations
that
the
city
knows
of
right
that
they
all
get
notified
via
email.
If
one
of
these
is
occurring
in
that
neighborhood,
all
right,
so
diving
in
a
little
deeper
on
a
couple
of
these
a
notice
template
that's
pretty
self-explanatory,
but
we
want
to
pull
up
and
say,
there's
a
minimum
amount
of
information.
K
L
Come
in
prepared
with
their
questions
or
know
what
they
want
to
get
out
of
that
meeting
at
that
point.
So
let's
talk
about
that
one.
A
little
best
practices
guide,
I,
just
snipped
the
front
page
there,
but
this
is
a
plain
language,
eight
page
guide
that
is
geared
towards
both
neighbors
and
developers
right.
We
want
both
sides
of
these
meetings
to
be
able
to
get
the
most
of
them
and,
among
other
things,
it's
going
to
align
the
best
practices
for
timing
of
meetings,
location
of
meetings,
content
of
meetings,
communication
and
providing
post
meeting
resources.
L
There
are
hard
guidelines
contained
in
there,
such
as
here
are
the
hours
you
need
to
Target,
and
you
need
to
explain
to
us
why
you
those
hours
weren't
targeted
when
you
scheduled
your
meeting
there
are
things
about
contents
of
meetings.
What
you
should
talk
about
what
you
should
present?
L
Doesn't
let
us
go
to
those
developers
and
say
you
didn't
do
what
the
ordinance
says
when
they
did
that.
So
that's
what
we're
trying
to
fix
and
post
meeting
resources
is
a
big
one.
There
are
recommendations
and
guidelines
on
there
for
larger
projects.
We
recommend
holding
having
a
developer,
have
their
own
informational
website
or
something
where
people
can
go
and
refer
back
to
this
after
the
meeting,
and
also
this
guide
will
provide
guidance
to
meeting
ordinance
requirements
because.
K
L
Know
how
ordinance
language
is
it's
not
always
the
easiest
to
follow
so
meeting
registration,
I
told
you
why
these
two
things
would
be
important.
This
one's
really
important
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
in
this
side
and
a
couple
more,
but
we've
created
an
online
form
that
we're
asking
them
to
asking
developers
to
report
these
meetings
when
they
scheduled
them,
and
this
allows
City
staff
to
check
their
mailing
list
to
make
sure
they're
correct,
make
sure
everybody's
being
included.
L
You
all
know
what
that
is.
Yet
anybody
signed
up
awesome,
okay,
I'll
talk
about
that.
A
little
more
here
in
a
minute,
but
we're
going
to
expand
that
to
be
able
to
be
used
to
provide
expanded
notice
of
these
pre-development
Community
meetings
as
well
and
I'm,
going
to
come
back
around
that
notification
tool
and
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute
as
well,
but
that's
a
huge
resource
meeting
reporting.
L
We
get
varying
things
from
two
sentences
to
two
pages,
not
a
lot,
but
with
this
form
we're
able
to
ask
specific
questions
of
the
developer
and
get
the
in
oh
well,
they
can
provide
some
interesting
answers,
I'm
sure
sometimes,
but
to
guide
them
in
what
information
we
want
to
receive
and
something
really
important
for
us
is
also
standardizes
data
that
is
collected
for
metrics
and.
L
When
we're
asking
the
same
question
every
time
we
can
come
back
and
say
it
was
answered
this
way
this
many
times,
so
this
is
important
for
us
as
well
that
second
sub
bullet
under
allows
City
staff.
There
is
really
important,
because
this
group
provides
a
Perpetual
record
of
that
neighborhood
meeting
if
a
decision
maker
or
something
goes
to
city
council
or
wherever
would
like
to
they
can
go
back
and
see
what
was
reflected
in
the
neighborhood
meeting,
and
that
seems
like
important
data
for
folks
to
have
all
right.
L
So
I
promised
I'd
come
back
to
the
CBD
zoning
thing.
This
is
one
area,
I've
already
gotten
a
couple
of
questions
so
right
now
we
the
changes
in
that
radius
that
we
looked
at
are
not
proposed
for
properties
within
the
CBD
zoning,
so
section
7591,
lots
of
numbers
right
now
requires
notification,
be
sent
to
All
addresses
and
all
Property
Owners
within
the
CBD,
so
by
the
nature
downtown
right.
L
You
know
we
have
more
density.
We
have
more
people
more
addresses,
more
units,
housing,
commercial,
whatever
they
may
be
within
that
200
feet
than
we
do
anywhere
else
in
the
city.
It's
a
pretty
wide
knit
that's
cast
already
at
this
point,
and
this
is
the
one
area
when
we
went
back
to
the
development
customer
Advisory
Group.
Remember
the
answer
that
they
really
had
an
interest
in
having
us
look
at.
Let's
keep
this
at
200
in
the
CBD
downtown,
because
those
lists
already
are
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
names
long
and
by
the
nature
of
downtown.
G
L
L
We
call
it
the
development,
notification
and
information
tool,
it's
on
the
city's
Simplicity
website,
but
it
does
allow
you
anyone
to
go
in
choose
a
geographic
location
in
the
city,
presumably
where
you
live,
but
you
could
choose
some
random
other
point
in
the
city.
If
you
wanted
to
and
choose
a
geographic
boundary
quarter
mile,
half
mile
mile
and
say
I
want
you
to
know
about
I
want
you
to.
L
Let
me
you
the
city
to
let
me
know
about
each
of
these
types
of
development
applications
when
they
come
in
and
when
people
are
registered
for
that
they
get
a
simple
email.
With
a
link
that
says
a
new
development
application
has
come
in
that
link,
directs
them
to
a
page
with
information
and
access
to
all
the
documents
the
city
has
on
that
application
and
contact
information
for
City
staff
for
more
questions.
L
So
you
see
it's
kind
of
convenient
I,
don't
know
why
there's
a
blink,
it's
really
faint!
There's
a
blank
checkbox
down
there.
That's
not
labeled
I!
Don't
know
why
that's
there,
but
I
was
like
that's
great
because
that's
where
I'd
like
to
see
neighborhood
meetings
show
up,
but
that
would
cast
an
even
wider
net.
400
foot
radius
outside
of
CBD
plus
the
Simplicity
tool,
plus
email
notification
required
to
neighbors
associations
that
we
know
of
should
get
a
lot
more.
People
informed.
L
C
So,
thank
you
so
much
Chris
I'm
really
glad
to
know
that
these
are
getting
more
specific
and
the
length
of
time
is
increasing.
I.
Think
of
of
all
the
feedback
from
the
last
several
years
of
living
in
Asheville
notification
of
meetings
seems
to
rise
to
the
top
people,
not
feeling
informed
so
kudos
to
your
office
for
trying
to
address
some
of
those
one
of
the
things
that,
when
you
said,
you're
moving
the
timing
from
10
days
to
14
days,
I
think
it's
a
great
step
in
the
right
direction.
C
Knowing
that
probably
the
last
time
this
was
made,
we
had
a
post
office.
That
was,
you
know
in
the
Asheville
area
that
everything
didn't
have
to
be
sent
to
Greenville.
So
my
question
maybe
may
sound
really
specific,
but
it
I
think
it's
a
broader
reality
that
I
could
mail
something
to
my
neighbor
across
the
street
and
it
may
not
get
there
for
seven
days.
C
C
L
Feel
like
we
did,
discuss
that
and
ended
up
back
at
14.
upon
going
back
out
to
that.
L
L
Timing
is
a
big
thing
with
them,
because
the
process
is
so
long
already
and
I'm,
not
saying
like,
oh
that
we
shouldn't
make
it
longer
that
we
couldn't
consider
that
but
kind
of
what
we
looked
at
was
hey.
We're
going
for
conditional
zoning,
we're
already
looking
at
a
nine
month
process
to
get
a
project
approved.
So
they
can
be
a
little
sensitive
about
timing.
L
But
I
I
hear
your
point
for
sure.
I
think
we
landed
on
the
14
as
a
counterbalance
I
feel
certain
when
we
started
with
Coalition
National
neighborhoods.
That
would
we
were
being
asked,
let's
go
longer
than
14.,
but
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
look
and
see
exactly
how
long
it
took
us
to
get
to
14
and
where
we
got
there
from
I
can
certainly
do
that.
Yeah.
L
So
I.
E
E
Okay,
Sid
no
City
staff
are
in
attendance,
okay,
so
I
and
and
then
how
much
weight
then
does
this
have
with
with
the
city,
council
and
I
guess
my
my
red
flag
goes
up
when
you
know
it's
sort
of
like
the
fox
and
the
hen
house
again.
This
might
be
off
topic,
but
I'm
just
curious
of
how
how
the
neighborhood,
really
what
power
do
they
have.
L
Yeah
Okay,
so
what
I
didn't
say
about
the
different
levels
of
development
is
that
it
would
be
different
depending
on
what
we're
looking
at
right.
We
have
the
unified
development
ordinance,
which
is.
L
Essentially-
and
it
sets
forth
a
certain
level
of
project
that
all
they
have
to
do,
all
they
have
to
do
is
meet
the
requirements
in
that
code.
So
I
said
level
two
major
subdivisions,
those
two
right
there
are
two
that
all
they
have
to
do
is
meet
the
minimum
requirements
of
the
code,
so
that
you
know
it
begs
the
question.
Well.
Is
it
disingenuous
to
hold
a
community
meeting
because
they
don't
have
to
do
anything?
L
We
say
our
hope
is
that
it
starts
that
dialogue
and,
if
there's
some
easy
wins
between
the
set
between
the
two
groups.
Maybe
something
will
happen
right
for
those
projects.
Now,
when
we
get
above
that
we
get
to
those
level
threes,
which
are
the
really
really
big
projects,
100
000
square
feet
or
anything
they're.
Changing
the
zoning
on
we're
going
to
city
council,
it's
a
legislative
decision,
so
really
city,
council.
L
Anything
they
need
to
or
want
to
to
make
that
decision,
so
neighborhood
impact
in
my
years
of
doing
this,
neighborhood
input
can
be
a
really
big
factor
in
conditional
zoning
decisions
for
various
councils
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
I
saw
pointed
out
here
is
creating
a
record
of
that
that
carries
on
with
this
document
as
an
appendix
to
a
staff
report,
or
something
like
that
presents.
G
L
Information
to
the
decision
makers
might
make
it
make
it
happen,
make
an
input
impact
in
a
kind
of
an
idealistic
mind.
My
hope
is:
everybody
gets
together
his
neighborhood
meetings
and
agrees.
They
all
want
the
same
things
and
everything
but
I
know
that's
not
how
it
goes,
but
I
hope
that
answered
part
of
your
question.
L
So
it
can
have
an
impact
and
it
may
have
an
impact,
but
it
doesn't
always
have
to
have
an
impact
and
then,
as
far
as
reporting,
that's
kind
of
why
we're
introducing
these
guidelines
in
how
they
report
it
and
what
we
tell
them.
We
want
to
know
about
the
meeting.
L
We've
gone
back
and
forth
with
various
folks
that
have
helped
us
kind
of
to
develop
these
regulations
about.
Well,
we
have
to
tell
them
they
have
to
tell
us
this
exact
thing
and
I'm
like
well.
I,
don't
know
how
to
tell
them
that
it's
difficult
to
say
word
it
exactly
like
this
and
say
it
exactly
this,
but
what
we
can
do
is
break
it
down
by
prompts
who
was
there
what
happened?
L
What
are
the
top
three
issues
that
were
presented
and
then
we
can
say
upload
a
recording
of
the
meeting
and
which
that
Forum
does
ask
for
so
I'm
hoping
that
addresses
some
of
that
by
providing
standardized
data
and
asking
for
evidence
of
the
meeting.
D
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
it
is
required
that
the
developers
submit
a
report.
Maybe
we
could
encourage
neighborhoods
to
prepare
their
own
report.
That
would
become
absolutely.
L
H
Issue,
it
was
a
pleasure
working
with
you
on
this
yeah.
Can
it
was.
You
did
a
lot
of
work
with
us
and
you
heard
a
lot
of
our
concerns.
So
it's
wonderful
to
see
this
here.
My
problem,
it's
been
with
the
CZ
with
not
giving
the
information
at
the
at
the
neighborhood
meetings
and
they
will
have
things
called
conditions
that
they're
not
wanting
to
meet
and
most
on
the
CZ.
H
It
will
go
through
the
development
before
it
gets
to
that
conditioned
place
of
what
are
they
going
to
ask
for
a
relief
from
them
or
not?
So
when
you
go
to
a
neighborhood
and
they
bring
up
what
I
call
the
dog
and
pony
show
and
they
hold
it
all
out
there
and
they'll
eat
this
Grant
and
then
look
at
what's
going
asking
for
you
for
the
Udo
to
ask
for
that?
They
don't
want
to
do
that
and
that's
where
they'll
go
to
city,
council
and
they'll
say
well.
H
We
asked
for
that
in
our
condition
and
the
council
will
go
and
they've
asked
for
that
in
the
condition
and
they'll
review
how
impactful
that
is
on
the
development.
The
neighborhoods
will
not
see
that
in
the
beginning,
for
a
couple
of
reasons
why
they
don't
want
the
neighborhoods
to
have
a
discussion
about
them
too.
They
haven't
gotten
that
far
in
their
development
process
to
figure
out.
Well,
we
don't
want
the
10
foot
wide
sidewalk.
H
We
only
want
to
go
five
feet
wide
and
it
may
make
a
difference
in
the
neighborhood
and
that's
where
me
who
Waits
through
Simplicity,
knows
how
to
read
and
will
get
the
neighbors
will
call
me
and
go
so
what
are
they
asking
for
that
they're
not
going
to
do
what
do
they
showed
us?
What
they're
not
going
to
do
and
then
I
have
to
wait
through
everything
and
go
They're
not
going
to
do
this
they're
not
going
to
do
this
and
they're
not
going
to
do
and.
H
H
It's
buffers
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
our
our
beat
buffer,
we're
going
to
have
to
do
an
a
buffer
which
may
impact
the
neighborhood
right
next
to
them,
and
that's
a
big
deal
for
the
neighborhoods
now
level,
twos
and
threes.
We
generally
see
it
ahead
of
time
that
the
cz's
impact
us
the
biggest
and
the
developers
have
got
to
come
to
us,
and
then
that
brings
me
and
I
know
that
I
go
on
and
on
is.
H
The
staff
report
for
the
neighborhoods
and
that
brings
the
spot
to
the
person
that's
reading
the
meeting,
because
I've
been
sending
and
you've
been
getting
the
emails
I've
been
sending
them
to
Patrick.
They
didn't
say
anything
of
this
email
I
mean
on
this
neighborhood
needing
to
neighbors.
Why
didn't
they
say?
Do
they
have
to
do
another
neighborhood
meeting?
They
should
have
to
come
back
and
explain
more
and
because
they
don't
and
then
you
made
a
response
back
in
a
couple
of
them.
H
Well
we're
going
to
make
them
do
that
or
they're
not
they're,
going
to
give
us
more
information,
so
will
that
stuff
go
in
the
staff
report
where
whomever's
reading
the
staff
report
is
like
I
do
with
Urban
Forester,
commission
and
I
make
my
note
so
they're
going
to
make
a
note
and
say
well,
this
needs
to
be
responded
to
in
the
neighborhoods
in
another
mailer
or
another
meeting
to
let
them
know.
What's
really
going
on
see
what
I'm
saying
yes.
L
I
do
and
I
remember
back
some
of
these
conversations
that
we
had
and
then
again
the
hard
part
is
quantifying
change
right
so
that
we,
as
staff,
can
only
impart
what
the
ordinance
tells
us.
We
can
impart
and
we've
so
some
of
the
changes
that
are
qualitative
not
not,
that
they
don't.
K
L
G
L
Says
you
can't
stop
me
or
whatever
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
end
up
in
that
same
situation.
So.
A
A
Now,
our
association,
we
are
directly
involved
with
everything
that
goes
on
the
first
meeting
we
had
with
them.
They
talked
to
us
so
bad
it
was.
It
was
an
embarrassment
the
way
they
talked
to
us
about
what
they
wanted
to
do
and
to
actually
say
they
wanted
to
come
into
our
neighborhood
because
it
was
cheaper.
The
land
was
cheaper.
This
is
what
they
said
to
us.
Then
we
had
they
had
to
go
back
and
when
they
came
back
to
us
again,
we
had
a
meeting
the
people
in
the
200
radius.
A
A
That,
if
you
want
to,
we
can't
tell
you
not
to
build
houses
but
build
houses,
because
it's
a
residential
area
because
they
do
need
to
rezone.
They
only
have
one
area
that
they
can
put
houses
in,
but
I,
don't
know
what
they
go
back
and
say,
and
we
have
to
continuously
look
and
see
when
they're
going
to
go
to
City
Council
yeah,
because
we
did
stop
a
development
that
was
on
the
corner
of
Forest
Street
and
Hendersonville
Road,
where
somebody
wanted
to
put
up
one
of
those
big
storage
units
and.
K
A
A
But
someone
needs
to
be
at
these
meetings
if
it's
going
to
be
recorded
to
you,
because
if
you
just
waiting
on
the
developers,
the
engineers
or
the
people
that
are
doing
it
to
give
you
a
report
on
what
was
said
at
the
meeting,
we
don't
even
trust
them
in
the
meeting
because
they
do
talk.
They
they
talk
to
us
really
bad
and-
and
it's
unfortunate
and
I,
don't
know
about
anybody
else.
But
I've
been
in
these
things.
You
know
this
is
the
third
time
I've
had
you
know.
A
We've
had
people
that
want
to
come
in
and
want
to
do
development
of
large
places
and
they
say
affordable
housing
and
we
don't
consider
it
affordable.
But
if
you're
going
to
put
houses
that,
if
you're
talking
about
21
townhouses
and
the
street
is
narrow-
and
that
was
our
question
and
everything
else-
their
own
houses
that
people
have
owned.
A
D
You
mentioned
this
best
practices
guide
and
I.
Just
can't
remember
if
you
said
if
those
guidelines
are
really
just
guidelines
or
if
they're
like
binding.
It's.
L
A
mix
right,
I'm,
gonna,
say
most
of
it,
because
the
reason
this
stuff
isn't
in
the
proposed.
L
It's
really
hard
to
make
into
code
right,
not
every
situation
fits
everything
and
I've
gone
back
and
forth
with
people
about
timing
of
meetings,
because,
okay
evening
works
for
everybody
who
has
a
day
job,
it
doesn't
work
for
people
in
the
service
industry
who
work
the
night
shift.
So
it's
hard
to
find
that
Universal
right
thing
that
works
because
it
doesn't
exist.
L
So
that's
why
we've
set
a
lot
of
this
up
in
the
series
of
guidelines
and
I'll
be
happy
to
if
I
send
a
link
to
it
to
you
all.
Could
you
provide
it
to
them
after
this
and
they
could
take
a
look
at
it?
Okay,
awesome
yeah.
It's
eight
pages,
some
of
it's
boring,
but
there's
some
stuff
in
there
that
addresses
even
what
what
you
were
just
saying
about
how
to
conduct
a
meeting
and
how
to
communicate
things.
We.
G
L
L
A
D
I
had
one
more
question
yeah
about
this
waiting
period
between
when
the
meeting
happens
and
when
what
what
comes
after
that.
Just.
L
D
K
L
What
happened
in
that
meeting
if
they
promised
us
something
we'd
like
to
something
to
show
that,
so
we
can
come
back
at
the
end
and
be
like
hey,
either
developer,
you
promises,
you
didn't,
do
it
or
hey
city
council,
they
told
the
neighborhood
things
they're
not
doing
whatever.
That
might
be.
I
know
that
record
was
important,
so.
B
Mr
Collins,
thank
you
so
much
for
all
this
information.
I
do
have
a
suggestion
on
best
practices,
and
that
is
pertaining
to
your
signs.
They
are
too
small.
They
need
to
be
larger,
everybody's
shaking
their
head.
Yes,
you
drive
by
quickly,
you
don't
see
all
the
information
that's
necessary.
You
have
no
space
to
park
the
car
you
can't
get
out.
You
can't
get
the
information
in
yet
you've
wondered
what
does
this
entail?
Well,
what
is
this
encompassing?
This
is
the
first
I've
heard
of
it.
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
anxiety,
that's
built
into
that,
and
the
signs
need
to
be
larger
for
everyone
to
be
able
to
read
easy,
better
font
on
something
another
way,
and
then
one
of
the
questions
that
came
up
is
that
after
the
first
meeting-
and
there
is
a
lot
of
input
from
the
neighborhood
and
the
developer
goes
back
and
say:
well,
we
understand
your
dilemma
and
your
and
your
questions
and
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
B
Will
there
be
a
second
meeting
by
the
developer
to
inform
everyone
instead
of
having
to
read
this
information
in
the
newspaper?
That's
three
or
four
days
late,
so
those
are
the
things
that
I
I
would
like
to
see
implemented
along
the
best
practices.
That
notification
would
be.
If
there's
going
to
not
be
another
meeting,
it
would
be
announced
at
that
meeting
the
first
meeting,
so
everybody
is
very
much
aware:
what's
going
to
happen
next,
the
next
steps.
L
Tackling
that
backwards,
two
things:
okay,
we
can
definitely
incorporate
that
into
the
best
practices
guide.
The
great
thing
about
it
not
being
in
the
ordinance
is
we
can
make
minor
updates
to
it
without
having
to
go
through.
You
know
a
four-month
process,
saying
that's
really
good
and
with
the
signs
there's
two
types
of
signs.
L
The
signs
that
we're
talking
about
tonight,
which
are
those
will
be
put
up
by
the
developer,
so
our
template,
we're
proposing
or
not
proposing
we
were
proposing
to
require
them-
is
larger
than
what
you've
probably
seen
from
most
of
those.
The
second
type
are
the
signs,
the
city
posts
about
rezoning
hearings.
L
B
H
You
that
when
I
looked
at
that
and
they
brought
it
to
Eastern
Valley,
it's
not
going
to
end
up
looking
like
that.
So
for
me
for
the
neighborhood.
That
was
because
there's
so
many
things
are
going
to
have
to
change
with
that.
They
show
trees
that
aren't
going
to
be
there.
They
show
Green
Space
that
aren't
going
to
be
there.
It's
just
not
going
to
be
showing
entrances
that
are
probably
not
going
to
be
there.
L
L
That's
in
right
now,
so
the
way
that's
being
handled
right
now
is
a
master
plan
and
you're
mentioned
conditions.
There's
going
to
be
conditions
that
break
down
how
each
phase
is
reviewed.
After
that
initial
Council
review
and
I
can
suggest
to
the
planner
working
on
it
that
exploring
one
of
those
conditions
being
holding
a
neighborhood
meeting
for
each
one
of
those,
because.
H
And
that's
going
to
change
that
the
neighbors
haven't
seen
and
then
it's
going
to
be
broken
down
into
the
phases
of
it.
That
will
be
within
the
Udo
requirements,
but
they're
going
to
have
a
huge
amount
of
lists
of
conditions
that
they're
going
to
ask
for
that.
We
don't
know:
I
can
kind
of
sort
of
guess
by
looking
at
it.
I'm,
not
a
planner,
but
I've
sat
around
long
enough
to
know.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
that
by
the
time
it
goes
to
council
and.
K
H
The
only
ones
disseminating
information
to
the
neighborhood
that
this
is
what
this
is
going
to
look
like.
We
need
to
rally
and
talk
about
the
fact
that
they're
not
going
to
make
their
open
space
so
they're
not
going
to
make
their
their
sidewalks
of
whatever
it
is
that
they're
trying
not
to
make
because
once
Council
approves
that,
then
there's
nothing
to
be
said
when
it
goes
to
a
level
two
or
level
three
I
mean
a
level
two
when
they
divide
it
up
now,
I,
don't
know
when
the
rest
of
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about.
H
But
what's
in
my
concern
with
this,
as
with
happened
with
Charlotte
Street,
and
my
concern
is
that
the
neighbors
didn't
know
what
was
going
to
happen
until
after
it
had
already
blown
up
in
everybody's,
face
and
I
mean
for
the
developer's
sake
and
for
the
Neighbors
sake
for
everybody's
sake,
it
shouldn't
be
a
blow
up
thing.
You
know
it
should
be.
Everybody
should
know
what's
going
on
and
have
an
opinion
whether
it
works
through
counsel.
It
doesn't
work
for
counsel
and
not
be
these
emergency
Kings
yeah.
A
K
A
Council
because
I
know
Council
changes
all
the
time.
I
look
for
their
agendas.
I!
Don't
think
that
some
things
have
gone
to
planning
zoning,
but
I,
don't
know
if
that's
what
you
were
like
want
to
know
what
the
next
steps
were.
If
it's
something
that
has
to
be
rezoned,
then
it
has
to
go
before
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
and
they're
the
ones
that
would
be.
You
know
saying
what
we
think
about
your
plans
and
and
what
you
in
my
career.
A
What
you,
what
about
the
development
and
how
they
would
have
to
actually
show
this?
That
is
an
opportunity
I've
been
in
that
meeting
too
that's
an
opportunity
where
the
neighborhoods
can
actually
go
to
that
meeting
and
they
can
actually
voice
their
opinion
on
why
they
do
not
think
that
that's
a
good
fit
and
I
know
there
was
some
property
on
London,
Road
and
West
Chapel,
that
used
to
be
Haynes
store
and
a
developed.
A
body.
K
A
When
he
showed
the
plans,
it
was
much
huger
than
what
he
ended
up.
Buying
is
still
not
good,
but
he
was
going
to
put
more
houses,
it's
going
to
cry
more
houses.
We
want
to
have
garage
apartments
and
we
kind
of
after
going
to
Council
planning
and
zoning
talking
to
him.
Let
me
tell
you
all
kind
of
kind
of
thing,
but
he
did
reduce
it
down,
but
he
was
still
able
to
build,
but
yeah.
L
L
It
is
so
the
Simplicity
tool
that
I
mentioned
will
it'll
track.
Those
dates
for
you
version
two
at
some
point,
will
have
a
button
where
you
can
hit
subscribe
and
it'll.
Tell
you
when
things
change,
but
we're
not
there.
Yet
we've
got
the
usual
the
usual,
not
enough
resources
of
the
city
to
get
everything
done.
We
want
fast
enough,
but
we're
working
towards
it.
F
I
had
a
question
about
the
CBD
limit
for
200
feet.
What
was
the
justification
for
deciding
to
notify
residents
and
tenants
versus
property
owners.
L
So
it's
in
the
CBD,
it's
both
and
the
reason
being
I'm
going
to
think
back
to
way
back
when
that
was
first,
the
reason
being.
L
L
B
C
Know
we've
had
a
lot
of
questions
for
you
so
again.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
It
seems
like
that
this
is
real.
The
the
city,
and
especially
your
group,
is
really
trying
to
put
some
teeth
behind
some
things.
If
they
didn't
have
the
Authority
or
written
part,
you
know
trying
to
get
to
the
letter
of
the
ordinance
is
there
you
know
say
a
developer
comes
in
and
they
they
go
by
the
ABS.
You
know
the
minimums
and
they
send
out
notifications.
It's
not
a
good
time
of
the
meeting
they
don't
have.
C
K
L
Is
as
much
as
I
I,
don't
like
the
how
I
call
it
squishy
language
of
the
current
code
time
and
place
and
convenience
is
something
we
couldn't
Crack
the
Code
of
on
how
to
really
codify
what
that
means.
L
K
L
K
L
A
L
The
link,
I
was
going
to
say,
would
be
the
the
best
practices
guide
or
anything
y'all
want.
I
can
get
it
to
you.
Yeah.
A
E
Connecticut
we
get
the
link
to
that.
E
L
A
C
We
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
met
last
week
and
we
had
two
or
three
main
items
on
the
agenda
that
took
up
most
of
the
time.
One
of
those
was.
E
C
I-26
connector
and
the
parts
that
were
I
may
be
using
the
wrong
language,
approved
and
I.
Don't
remember
the
actual
numbers,
but
there
were
of
the
sections.
We
talked
about
two
sections
and
looked
at
the
what
they
had
proposed
for
the
bike:
Lanes
The
Pedestrian
Lanes,
the
multi-use
lanes,
the
vegetation,
the
barriers,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
conversation
about
having
bikers
next
to
these
Lanes
without
any
kind
of
physical
barrier.
Rather
than
just
a
three
foot
section,
we're
like.
C
C
There
was
a
lot
of
really
good
discussion
about
what
that
would
look
like
and
the
bridge
and
where
that
would
go,
and
then
how
it
would
connect
to
the
greenway
that
would
continue
up
Riverside,
Drive
sort
of
the
next
phase
of
that
that
the
they
were
working
on.
Other
things
were
just
new
members
and
speed
limit
changes.
You
know
that
we've
been
looking
at
the
speed
limit
change.
You
know,
I
think
it's
35
in
general
unless
it's
posted
differently,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
streets.
C
We've
learned
around
Asheville
that
don't
have
posted
speed
limits,
so
a
lot
of
the
changes
were
enacting
things
that
made
sense,
and
there
were
several
decreases
where
it
was
35
decreasing
into
25
or
20..
So
the
the
main
flavor
of
that
was
to
look
at
what
is
a
reasonable
speed
limit
and
most
of
those
were
decreases.
C
I
don't
think
there
was
anything
that
was
an
increase
so
little
by
little
sections
around
town
are
being
completed
that
maybe
didn't
have
a
speed
limit
other
than
that
I
think
just
recruiting
for
some
new
members
and
one
piece
of
information.
That's
interesting
is
that
they're
very
there's
they're
not
often
vacancies
on
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
from
what
I
understand
what
they
talked
about.
So
when
we
were
looking
at
recruiting
people,
some
of
these
people's
applications
were
from
last
summer.
C
A
H
So
I
don't
know
if
everybody's
been
following
the
trees
on
Vermont
Street,
so
unfortunately
what
you're
reading
the
paper
isn't
always
necessarily
true,
and
you
can
only
write
so
many
lists
of
the
edited
correct
things.
Very
important
commission
was
deeply
involved
in
working
with
the
city
where
a
couple
years
I
was
involved
in
that,
along
with
other
people,
and
it's
so
fortunate,
but
the
trees
were
too
big
and
too
old
for
and
a
lot
of
the
work
at
what
we
call
end
of
Life,
trees
and
so
I'll.
Be
then.
H
Area
but
the
urban
Forester
commission
didn't
spend
two
years
working
with
the
City
to
make
it
better
than
what
it
was
and
wasn't
a
clear-cut
situation.
But
it
was
best
in
the
situation
and.
H
The
the.
H
H
In
that,
but
there
have
been
forestry
commission
was
deeply
committed
to
that.
It's
been
a
lot
of
time
on
that
and
didn't
make
recommendations,
so
we've
been
following
it
thoroughly.
Have
their
trees
been
removed
that
we're
not
supposed
to
be
removed,
I,
don't
know
and
I'd
probably
be
discussing
a
meeting
next
week.
D
Can
I
make
a
comment
about
the
Vermont
Street
trees?
Yes,
I
live
on
Brevard
Road,
which
is
just
two
streets
over
from
Vermont
and
I'm,
really
glad
you
brought
up
the
points
that
you
did.
I
know
it's
kind
of
like
you
can't
say
that
you
want
to
cut
down
a
tree
like
these
days,
but
these
trees
were
sick
and
the
sidewalks
there
are
horrendous.
There
are
they're
they're
literally
pushed
up
like
this.
D
You
can't
they're,
not
ADA
Compliant
at
all,
and
so,
while
I
know
that
people
were
very
very
attached
to
these
trees
and
the
character
that
it
gave
that
street
it
really
needed
to
be
done
and
I
know
that
it
was
a
long
process.
They
put
out
a
lot
of
different
suggestions
of
taking
out
the
trees
here
or
here
and
parking
and
different
little
places
that
come
out
where.
D
I
think
they
even
spoke
to
the
property
owners,
so
they
could
pick
which
kind
which
they
offered
several
options,
and
they
got
to
pick
what
they
wanted
in
front
of
their
house.
So
so
yeah
I
thought
they
handled
everything
really
well.
A
A
Items
for
next
are
upcoming
meeting
we're
going
to
ask
that
the
human
relations
commission
to
come
in
and
to
tell
us
about
some
of
the
things
that
they're
doing
good
and
it
will
not
just
be
limited
to
them.
If
there
are
any
other
organizations
that
you
would
like
for
us
that
you'd
like
for
us
to
have
to
come
to
see
it
to
give
us
a
talk
on
what
they're
doing,
and
how
can
we
help
if
we
can
engage
with
them
to?
K
A
If
that's
what
they
want
to,
do,
that's
what's
going
to
happen,
so
we're
going
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
come
in
and
we
can
see.
Joanna
would
be
nice
that,
as
we
get
ready
for
the
festival
since
you've
said
since
we're
talking
about
that,
if
the
forestry
could
come
during
that
festival
and
and
give
some
information
or
talk
about
the
tree,
somebody
if
I
get
you
if
I
get
you
some
fish.
A
G
I
would
love
to
thank
you
for
the
invitation
about
that.
So
a
couple
things
first.
Thank
you
all
for
your
service
glad
to
be
here
with
you
today.
I
wanted
to
follow
up
with
the
report
that
you
gave
from
multimodal.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
the
late,
the
liaison
when
you
were
referring
to
the
Aesthetics
committee
recommendation
I
just
want
to
let
all
of
you
know
that
we
made,
in
addition
to
the
Aesthetics
committee
recommendation,
which
is
the
betterments
that
improve
how
the
future
of
the
I-26
connector
project
will
function
and
be
connected.
G
Also,
there's
some
safety
elements
in
there,
as
well
as
the
visual
impact
and
the
environmental
impact.
But
one
of
the
things
that
a
majority
of
council
also
passed
was
a
recommendation
for
staff
to
write
a
letter
of
support
for
neighborhoods
that
will
be
impacted
by
the
project
explicitly
named
were
Montford
Burton,
Street
and
Hillcrest.
Now
the
Hill
Street
neighborhood
was
deeply
impacted
by
the
highway
expansion
years
ago,
so
dot
is
going
to
do
some
Outreach
with
the
residence
council
at
Hillcrest.
G
If
the
residence
Council
has
recommendations,
it
could
look
like
a
letter
in
support
of
those
recommendations.
Second
thing:
there
are
openings
on
our
boards
and
commissions.
We
did
talk
about
this
at
the
equity
and
and
engagement
subcommittee
of
council,
which
is
new,
we're
looking
at
considering
quarterly
appointments
to
our
boards
and
commissions.
G
We
always
have
openings
so
do
help
us
spread
the
word
and
then
also
I
wanted
to
point
out
the
work
that
you
do
on
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
the
comments
that
were
made
about
Vermont.
When
we
have
better
planning
that's
informed
by
our
neighborhoods,
we
can
get
in
front
of
those
kinds
of
situations
where
we
were
trying
to
do
trees
in
the
same
place
of
sidewalks.
G
K
C
Yes,
I
have
a
comment:
I
forgot
about
the
multimodal
Transportation
Commission
and
this
is
actually
something
that
is
sort
of
time
sensitive.
There
is
a
wnc
rail
committee
that
is
that
has
we
haven't
had
rail
to
Asheville
since
1975.
From
my
understand
the
passenger
rail
there
is
a
proposal
and
they're
asking
for
letters
of
support.
I
can
email
this
and
forward
it.
If
people
are
interested
to
say
to
Cheryl
Collins
at
the
North
Carolina
DOT,
it's
the
deadline
is
March
1st.
C
We
just
got
this
today
but
said
we
could
use
a
letter
of
support
if
you
could
write
one
email
it
to
Cheryl,
Collins
and
I.
Have
that
email
that
out.
C
K
G
So
Asheville.