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B
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone
I'm
Brian,
Moffett
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
the
meeting
of
the
Asheville
downtown
commission
for
December
9th
2022..
The
Asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
the
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
Urban
Center
of
Western
North
Carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
B
In
addition,
downtown
Commissioners
currently
fill
four
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design,
Review
Committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business
district,
the
river
Arts,
District
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
B
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
maybe
for
the
last
time
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
Hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
Hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee
page.
We
also
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
for
anyone
out
there.
Listening
with
us
today.
Welcome
at
this
time.
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
the
committee
members
who
are
participating.
Virtually
you
folks
know
the
drill
how
to
mute
and
unmute.
C
B
Good
morning,
tal
Frankfurt
good
morning,
everyone
good
morning,
Kimberly
Hunter,
hey
Kimmy,
Stephen
Lee
Johnson
good
morning.
Robin
is
sick.
Megan
Rogers
morning
Guillermo
Rodriguez.
D
There
you
are
Ricardo
seho,.
B
Good
morning,
good
morning,
it's
Miss
Ruth
here
Ruth,
Summers,
hello,
hello
and
did
Sage
log
in
Sage
Turner,
our
city
council
liaison-
not
yet
maybe
okay,
hopefully
soon,
all
right.
Thank
you
all
for
coming
today.
B
I
will
start
our
agenda
at
this
time,
and
our
first
item
is
the
approval
of
our
draft
action
minutes
from
our
October
14th
2022
meeting.
We
did
not
have
a
meeting
in
November
again.
These
are
the
draft
action
minutes.
The
actual
full
recording
is
available
on
our
website.
Are
there
any
revisions
or
additions
to
the
draft
action
minutes,
or
is
there
a
motion
to
accept
them.
B
D
D
There
you
go
Ricardo
hi,.
B
Ruth
hi
very
good.
The
motion
passes
all
right,
so
we've
got
a
a
few
items
to
cover
today
on
the
agenda.
We
will
be
talking
about
the
college
patent
bike.
Lane
updates
and
I
recommend
making
a
recommendation
on
that.
Hopefully
we
will
have
time
to
talk
about
the
pack
Square
Plaza
visioning
project.
B
We
need
to
revisit
the
remote
in-person
meeting
discussion.
We
want
to
talk
if
we
can
about
the
annual
report
work
session
and
I'm
going
to
shift
a
little
bit.
We
normally
talk
about
our
our
public
comment
before
we
jump
into
new
business,
but
I
would
like
to
allow
the
public
to
make
a
comment
on
the
the
main
item
that
we
have
received.
The
most
public
comment
for
which
is
the
the
patent
bike
lane.
B
So
we're
going
to
let
Jessica
Morris
make
give
her
update
on
that
project
and
the
process,
and
then
we
will
take
public
comment
and
then
we
will
have
a
discussion
that
makes
sense
to
everybody.
Yes,
very
good
Jessica.
You
have.
I
Thank
you.
Good
morning,
everybody
Jessica
Morris
assistant
director
of
Transportation,
going
to
get
you
guys,
a
quick
update,
hopefully
on
this
college
patent
bike,
lane
project
that
that
is
being
proposed.
Some
of
the
key
takeaways-
and
this
is
just
kind
of
a
summary
of
the
presentation,
we'll
talk
about
City
plans
and
policies
that
directly
call
for
more
bike
facilities.
I'll
talk
about
how
the
project
connects
to
other
bike
lanes
and
other
facilities.
I
So
this
is
a
diagram
of
the
proposed
project
and
we
are
proposing
to
ADD
protected
bike
Lanes
to
college
and
patent
downtown,
and
that
is
the
green
lines.
The
red
lines
are
existing
facilities
and
the
yellow
lines
are
future
facilities
that
are
proposed.
So,
as
you
can
see,
we're
attempting
to
make
some
connections
to
other
locations
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
I
This
is
a
couple
of
photos
of
what
it
will
look
like
a
little
bit,
so
we're
proposing
a
bike
lane
on
the
left
side
of
the
street,
which
is
actually
a
found
to
be
a
safer
option
rather
than
the
right
side
of
the
street,
especially
for
one-way
streets.
So
that
is
why
we're
proposing
it
there.
In
short,
just
to
give
some
more
context
about
why?
I
Obviously,
through
covid,
we
saw
a
lot
of
changes,
but
I'd
say
a
good
one
was
that
we
saw
an
increase
in
bike
and
Pad
activity,
and
we
also
had
a
lot
of
things
that
we
reimagined
particularly
downtown
in
terms
of
how
we
use
our
public
space
and
the
the
vast
majority
of
our
public
space
is
actually
streets
and
sidewalks,
especially
downtown
we've
seen.
Electric
bike
use
grow
and
one
really
bad
thing
that
we
always
rank
at
the
top.
I
Four
is
bike
and
pedestrians
fatalities
so
having
connective
facilities
can
facilitate
safety
additional
contacts
where
we
Stack
Up
in
terms
of
other
cities
with
bike
network
connectivity.
So
you
can
see
that
18
in
this
circle,
that
does
not
mean
18
were
ranked
18th
in
the
country.
It's
a
rating,
so
we're
actually
ranked
18th
overall
I'm.
Sorry
not
ranked
we're
rated
18
out
of
100,
which
is
not
necessarily
the
best
number.
I
As
far
as
our
Network,
which
is
looking
at
network
connectivity,
we
are
an
eight
out
of
100
and
the
average
for
all
cities.
This
year
was
25,
so
we're
well
below
average
in
terms
of
network
connectivity.
I
Here
are
some
of
our
supporting
plans
and
specific
goals
and
objectives
that
are
called
out
in
our
plans,
including
the
living
Asheville
comp
plan,
the
Asheville
in
motion
Mobility
plan,
which
does
specifically
recommend
bike
Lanes
on
Patton
Avenue
between
clingman
and
Biltmore,
and
then,
of
course,
the
2009
downtown
master
plan,
which
calls
for
continuous
bike
and
pedestrian
routes
tied
to
Regional
systems.
I
So
that's
a
bit
of
the
overall
context.
Why
is
this
project
in
particular
particular
being
proposed?
Collagen
patent,
as
you
know,
are
Maine
East-West
streets
through
downtown.
They
connect
to
East
and
West
Asheville.
This
project
would
connect
existing
bike
facilities
in
future
facilities,
and
you
know
overall,
our
goal
is
to
give
visitors
and
downtown
workers
and
everyone
else
who
wants
to
visit
downtown
other
options
other
than
having
to
own
a
car
and
find
parking
and
all
of
that
stuff.
I
So
these
maps
are
intended
to
show
some
of
the
broader
connectivity.
This
is
just
existing
infrastructure,
so
it
doesn't
show
proposed
facilities,
of
which
there
are
our
other
proposed
ones.
But
what
I
wanted
to
show
was
what
we
have
on
the
ground
right
now:
the
red
the
red
lines.
Here,
that's
the
proposed
project,
the
green
are
existing
bike
lanes
and
then
there's
a
couple
of
blue
facilities
that
you
see
as
you
zoom
out
and
those
are
existing
Greenways.
I
So,
as
you
can
see,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
connections
in
the
center
of
our
city
and
and
outward,
and
you
can
see
that
we're
trying
to
piece
those
pieces
together
as
well
as
Greenways
mm-hmm,
who
is
this
project
for
I,
won't
go
into
the
the
nitty-gritty
of
this
that
basically
there's
different
types
of
bicyclists.
I
There's
the
what
are
called
the
strong
and
fearless
which
are
probably
more
like
what
you'd
see
like
Road,
bikers
spandex
folks,
those
kind
of
folks
they
they
will
ride,
no
matter
what,
wherever
they
don't,
have
fear
about
riding
in
traffic.
That's
not
the
majority
of
folks
that
might
be
interested
in
riding
a
bicycle.
50
of
the
population
is
Falls
in
this
interested
but
concerned
category.
So
what
that
means
is
somebody
they
they
might
be
interested
in
in
riding
their
bike.
I
More
often
to
commute
or
to
go
to
the
grocery
store,
but
if
they
don't
have
a
facility
that
they
feel
relatively
comfortable
on
that's
separated
from
cars,
then
they're
probably
not
going
to
jump
on
a
bike.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
aim
our
facilities
towards
this
category
of
people.
We're
not
we're
you
know.
Sometimes
we
can
only
fit
a
facility
that
might
might
fit
better
someone,
who's,
enthusiastic
and
confident
has
a
little
bit
more
confidence.
I
I
won't
go
into
all
of
these,
but
we've
listed
all
of
the
public
engagement
that
we
did,
starting
in
February
of
earlier
this
year,
included
both
direct
Outreach
to
stakeholders
or
people
that
are
on
the
corridor
or
have
Corridor
are,
are
engaged
in
that
Corridor
own
property
owned
businesses
Etc,
and
we
also
had
a
lot
of
I'll,
say:
indirect
engagement,
which
included
meetings
with
multimodal
downtown
commission
and
public
Space
Management
committee
and
others,
and
these
are
just
some
of
the
news
articles
that
were
out
in
the
very
beginning
of
this
project.
I
Back
in
March,
we
did
walking
tours
Flyers
Etc,
so
just
to
go
into
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
there.
There's
was
a
lot
of
concern
and
continues
to
be
about
loading,
and
this
is
an
issue
all
over
downtown.
I
I
Through
this
project,
we
are
going
to
be
adding
approximately
115
feet
of
additional
loading
zones
and
adding
one
new
loading
zone
and
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
moment,
parking
loss.
Of
course
is
a
concern
that
we've
heard
there
is
a
an
impact
to
parking,
there's
16
metered
parking
spaces
that
would
be
proposed
to
be
removed.
10
of
these
are
where
we
are
converting
to
loading
zones
and
that's
something
that
we
heard
a
lot
about
and
think
that
that
would
help
the
loading
situation.
I
You
can
look
at
this
probably
more
closely
in
your
PDF
or
in
this
presentation,
but
what
we're
pointing
out
here
are
some
of
the
places
where
we've
added
loading
zones,
we've
added
I'll,
say
significant
loading
space
on
patent
kind
of
in
front
of
the
lobster
trap
several
of
those
parking
spaces,
they're
we're
just
going
to
convert
everything
to
loading
zone
and
then
on
on
College
on
the
North
side,
there's
existing
loading
space
that
we
are
lengthening
and
expanding
and
removing
I
think
maybe
three
or
four
parking
space
or
seven
parking
spaces
from
this
area,
but
converting
it
to
loading
zone.
I
I
It
is
smaller
than
what
we
have
on
the
north
side
of
Pritchard
Park.
We're
also
going
to
be
converting
this
little
bump
in
space
here
to
loading
zone,
and
so
overall,
what
we're
looking
at
is
an
additional
100
plus
seat
of
loading
space.
The
only
major
change
here
is
that
we
are
proposing
to
move
a
loading
zone.
That's
currently
up
against
the
curb
at
the
Eris
Hotel
we're
moving
it
across
the
street
so
and
lengthening
that
as
well.
I
This
slide
shows
the
daily
traffic
volumes
average
daily
traffic
volumes,
which
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
before
you
can
see
these
dots
here.
These
are
stations
that
get
counted
once
a
year
or
I'm.
Sorry,
they
get
counted
every
three
years
by
dot,
but
the
city
often
will
go,
go
and
do
counts
and
we
actually
just
updated
our
counts,
but
you
can
see
that
we've
got
on
Biltmore
about
10
000
average
per
day,
and
college
and
patent
are
about
half
of
that,
but
even
Biltmore,
as
well,
within
a
single
Lane
capacity
for
that
volume.
I
And
just
anecdotally,
no,
we
did
not
do
a
study,
but
what
we've
seen
is
kind
of
studies
being
done
in
the
wild
here,
where
we've
got
lane
closures
in
downtown
and
and
what
we
we
feel
that
there
won't
be
any
significant
impacts
to
traffic
or
additional
congestion,
because
this
is
the
kind
of
Lane
reduction
that
we
see
pretty
frequently
due
to
construction.
I
I
The
bike
lane
is
actually
wide
enough
to
be
used
by
emergency
vehicles
if
they
absolutely
have
to
and
the
delineators
that
are
going
to
be
used
in
the
project
are
designed
to
be
able
to
be
run
over
by
emergency
vehicles
and
adding
bike
facilities
actually
has
been
shown
to
improve
safety
for
all
users,
because
you're
providing
very
you're
providing
space
for
everyone,
that's
predictable
and
that
predictability
increases
safety
overall
there's
been
concerns
that
businesses
will
lose
money.
There
are
a
lot
of
studies
that
actually
say
the
opposite.
I
I've
concluded
some
references
at
the
end
of
this
presentation.
If
you
want
to
dive
into
that,
and
of
course,
we
always
are
hearing
that
the
bike,
Advocates
are
the
ones
that
are
advocating
and
pushing
this
project.
But,
as
I've
mentioned,
these
kinds
of
projects
are
long-standing
policies
that
the
city
has,
and
we
have
other
commissions
and
groups
that
are
interested
in
the
project
as
well.
I
We
also
one
of
the
things
we
did
recently
November
mid-november.
We
met
with
the
public
Space
Management
task
force,
which,
as
you
know,
is
a
subcommittee
of
this
group.
I
There
was
I
would
say
very
limited
attendance
on
that
day
and
so
I
don't
know
that
I
personally
would
characterize
it
as
having
like
the
most
Broad
and
diverse
group
of
folks
there
that
day,
there
was
definitely
a
majority
of
people
that
were
there
were
not
in
favor
of
this
project.
So
I
wanted
to
mention
that,
since
they
are
a
subcommittee,
there
was
not
a
an
official,
Vote
or
anything.
But
many
of
the
concerns
that
were
raised
at
this
meeting
were
similar
or
the
same
to
the
ones
that
I
just
mentioned
previously.
I
I
All
this
stuff
I
will
mention
that
we
plan
to
go
to
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee
meeting,
which
is
a
council
committee
on
January,
9th
and
I'll,
likely
give
a
similar
presentation,
maybe
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
shorter
to
them,
and
there
will
be
public
comment
opportunity
at
that
meeting
as
well-
and
this
is
just
a
repeat
of
our
key
takeaways
and
summarizing
summarizing
the
project
overall,
and
we
have
this
proposed
motion.
I
If
supportive
and
of
course,
if
not
supportive,
then
then
you
wouldn't
make
this
motion
and
I
think
that's
all
I've
got
for
you,
so
I
am
going
to
stop
sharing
for
the
moment.
B
Thank
you,
Jessica.
Okay,
so
I
want
to
note
that
we
have
received
a
good
bit
of
public
comment
that
has
been
unthoughtfully
arranged
for
us.
Thank
you
Dana,
and
it
is
linked
on
the
Asheville
downtown
commission's
page
as
part
of
our
materials
and
one
second
yo.
If
there
are
any
I
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
allow
any
current
callers,
if
we
have
any
current
live
public
comment
that
needs
to
come
in
now
so
is
there?
Is
there
anyone
in
the
queue
for
public
comment
at
this
time.
J
Yes,
we
have,
it
looks
like
four
or
five
people
in
the
queue
if
we
can
figure
so
I'm
gonna.
Look
for
caller
with
the
last
two
digits.
Two
three
see
if
this
works.
G
K
L
We
can
hear
you
okay,
my
name
is
Edwards
I'm
calling
to
voice
my
opposition
to
the
proposed
bike
lane
plan
as
it
currently
stands,
on
Patton
Avenue
in
College
Street,
as
well
as
my
disappointment
with
this
process,
the
majority
of
business
and
property
owners,
weren't
notified
or
given
an
opportunity
for
input
until
after
the
plan
was
announced
in
the
media,
I've
seen
the
stakeholder
engagement,
traffic
tracking
and
it
represents
very
few
businesses
and
demonstrates
from
the
businesses
that
were
represented,
the
concerns
that
we
all
have
and
that
Transportation
has
been
unable
to
address
the
plan
as
of
right
now,
really
demonstrate
the
lack
of
understanding
of
our
current
needs,
especially
in
the
Pritchard
Park
area,
with
concerning
mainly
unloading
and
loading
and
accessibility
issues.
L
If
you
look
at
the
Prichard
Park
area
on
the
current
plan,
the
only
loading
zone
that
would
fit
a
semi
is
in
front
of
the
Wells
Fargo
building,
which
is
the
furthest
point
from
any
of
the
14
restaurants,
bars
and
Retail
spots.
That's
around
the
park.
Many
of
these
loading
and
Loan
loadings
take
like
seven
plus
prips.
Sometimes
we
have
six
semis
or
loadings
like
passenger
vans.
At
the
same
time,
around
the
park
and
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
work
around
that,
if
that
is
the
only
loading.
E
D
L
You
add
in
the
restaurant
trash
pickup
bus
stops
the
current
construction
on
the
hotel,
and
it
just
is
really
unrealistic.
I
am
a
cyclist.
I
support,
multimodal
transportation
in
the
expansion
of
bike
Lanes
in
a
realistic
manner,
but
I
feel
like
there's,
been
a
lot
of
misrepresentation
of
the
project
and
our
comments
and
Outreach
have
been.
L
Defensively
and
dismissed
I
hope
that
people
will
actually
take
the
time
to
come
to
our
block
and
observe
our
current
challenges
and
help
us
come
up
with
a
solution.
That's
realistic
because
I
think
that
you
know
the
future
and
the
future
multimetal
Transportation,
you
know
we'll.
We
will
move
in
that
direction,
but
I,
don't
think
what's
being
proposed
is
realistic
at
this
time.
L
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
D
G
Is
Sophie
Mullinax,
okay,
great
my
name's
Sophie
Mullinax
I
live
in
West
Asheville
near
Hall,
Fletcher
Elementary,
calling
to
voice
my
support
for
the
college
in
Patton,
Avenue
bike,
lane
I'm
a
bike
commuter
and
a
recreational
cyclist.
Along
with
my
young
family,
you
probably
saw
a
picture
of
my
two
kids
on
one
of
our
cargo
bikes
on
slide
23
in
Jessica's
presentation
just
now,
every
day
that
it's
not
pouring
rain
or
below
freezing
either
my
partner
or
I
ride,
downtown
from
West
Asheville
and
back
with
our
four-year-old
to
and
from
her
school
downtown.
G
J
J
Should
have
a
new
color
last
digits,
eight
one.
N
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
hey
hey
everybody.
This
is
Barry
Bialik
I
own,
the
Thirsty
Monk
downtown,
my
own
compact
cottages
and
I.
Also
chair
the
affordable
housing
committee
for
the
city
of
Asheville.
I
just
want
to
voice
my
opposition
to
this
plan
as
a
downtown
business
owner
for
14
years
that
corner.
You
know
that
area
of
patent
has
always
been
kind
of
a
cluster
mess
and
I
would
say
the
community
engagement
of
this
has
been
very
poor.
It's
just.
N
It
was
brought
to
a
lot
of
our
we'll.
Have
the
business
attend
business
owners
on
that
Corridor
fairly
recently,
as
one
of
you
know,
I
consider
myself
rather
active
in
city
ongoings
and
then
aware
of
mailings
and
I
did
not
see
any
mailings
about
this
to
have
any
early
engagement
on
it.
N
It's
currently
one
who
we
we
get
lots
of
deliveries.
I
would
say
that
patent
Avenue
is
kind
of
a
mess.
Turning
you
know,
I
I
occur,
I
would
say.
Cox
avenue
is
probably
our
current
loading
zone
to
get
you
know
for
deliveries
to
the
first
month,
and
a
good
part
of
that
is
that
intersection
is,
is
a
really
hard
one
to
navigate
it's
a
coming
off
of
Cox.
It's
a
there's,
no
right
turn
allowed
on
red.
N
So
that
means,
when
the
light
turns
green
on
patent,
you
have
to
wait
for
all
of
the
you
know.
All
of
the
pedestrians
to
cross
before
you
can
take
any
turns.
So
it's
kind
of
a
and
it's
a
hard
turn.
So
it's
very
difficult
to
navigate
already
I'd
say
that
area
of
town
is
already
a
CL
is,
is
pretty
cluster
and
while
I
support,
you
know
additional
bike
lanes
for
sure
I.
Just
don't
think
this
plan
was
designed
with
good
stakeholder
input
and
I
think
there's
other
options.
N
One
idea
that
came
up
at
a
meeting
that
we
were
at
business
owners
was
actually
utilizing
the
existing
Park
as
kind
of
some
as
the
bike
Corridor.
So
here
we're
where
we've
got
Pritchard
Park
in
the
middle
and
then
we're
putting
bike
Lanes
on
the
streets
right.
N
Why
is
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
explored
of
just
navigating
the
bike
Lanes
to
go
through
Pritchard
Park
and
putting
the
parking
for
bikes
in
there
rather
than
have
to
take
up
valuable
space
on
the
streets,
so
overall
I
would
I
would
share
my
opposition
to
this.
I
would
say
this
area
has
not
had
good
input
from
business
owners
and
it
already
is
a
very
tight
corner
and
I'd
suggest
taking
a
fresh
look
at
this.
Thank
you
all
for
hearing
me
up
thanks.
D
O
O
This
morning,
the
the
company,
if
you're,
looking
at
slide
16
on
the
presentation,
owns
the
building
that
is
in
that
center
block
there
and
has
some
very
deep
concerns
about
the
proposal
as
it's
currently
constituted,
and
what
they
have
asked
me
to
do
is
to
ask
that
this
commission
continue
its
consideration
or
move
the
the
its
determination
or
recommendation
until
its
next
meeting,
so
that
we
have
adequate
time
to
try
and
talk
with
the
members
of
the
commission
as
well
as
attend
a
meeting
and
provide
additional
information
about
these
problems.
O
O
Unfortunately,
just
not
a
legal
option
for
the
city
to
pursue.
The
second
reason
and
I
know
that
it
was
mentioned
by
staff
that
moving
bike
Lanes
to
the
left
side
of
the
road
May.
O
Be
a
safer
option
in
this
context,
it
is
not
because
the
entrance
to
the
parking
for
the
Biltmore
building
is
underground
and
on
the
left
side
of
college,
which
would
put
this
bike
lane
in
a
situation
where
bikers
were
going
through,
traffic
and
cars
were
trying
to
take
a
left
through
the
bike
lane
into
the
building,
which
creates
a
significant
safety
issue
for
bikers
and
for
the
cars
that
use
the
building.
The
last
is
and
I
know.
M
O
D
Q
O
Recently
been
diagnosed
with
cancer
and
is
undergoing
chemo
treatments
today
and
could
not
be
available,
and
I
only
mentioned
that,
because
you
know,
billboard
is
not
at
all
opposed
to
this
project
on
a
whole.
But
it
doesn't
believe
that,
as
it's
planned
to
have
this
land
on
the
southern
side
of
the
road,
it's
safe
or
legal,
and
would
like
for
this
project
to
be
reconstituted
in
a
way
that
could
achieve
the
city's
goals
and
respect
those
easement
rights
and
the
safety
of
bikers.
At
the
same
time.
So.
O
P
O
S
Hello,
yes,
my
name
is
Richie
Rizal
I'm,
one
of
the
owners
of
the
flying
bike,
which
is
a
electric
bike,
tour
company
that
operates
adjacent
to
downtown
and
I'm,
calling
to
support
this
plan.
We
as
a
company
and
as
a
proprietor
of
the
company,
use
this
Corridor
on
a
regular
basis.
S
We
put
as
many
as
30
to
40
people
through
this
part
of
downtown,
including
parents
with
children
on
a
daily
basis,
and
one
thing
that
we
have
found
over
time
is
that
the
centrality
of
this,
which
is
what
puts
it
into
contention,
obviously,
is
why
this
sort
of
improvement
is
necessary.
The
roadway
as
it
exists
now
is
often
chaotic.
There
are
Lane
mergers,
departures.
S
There
are,
of
course,
deliveries
as
have
been
mentioned
by
other
commenters,
but
those
deliveries,
because
they're
not
in
demarcated
areas,
occur
in
a
haphazard
manner,
often
with
trucks
parking
in
ways
that
obstruct
views
of
pedestrians
and
cyclists
and
other
cars,
and
by
making
these
improvements,
safety
and
Order
would
be
brought
to
the
street.
S
Undoubtedly,
lives
could
be
saved,
but
it's
also
a
beginning
step
of
an
improvement,
and
this
project
has
been
scoped
is
flexible
in
manner
it's
one
that
can
be
iterated
upon
and
it
is
absolutely
an
improvement
on
the
state
of
the
street
now,
and
not
only
that
because
of
the
centrality
of
this
project.
It's
critical
to
other
plans
approved
by
city
government,
including
the
closer
Gap
plan,
and
it's
part
and
parcel
to
to
the
ncbots
complete
Street
obligations,
and
so
I
would
like
to
support
this
and
encourage
that
it
moved
forward
as
a
safety.
S
D
J
There
are
several
colors
I
see
connected,
and
so,
if
those
folks
are
wanting
to
make
comments,
I
think
you
need
to
call
back
and
and
press
star
three
in
order
to
be
connected
to
make
comments.
So.
B
And
I'll
go
ahead
and
say
before
the
next
caller.
If
someone
calls
in
for
public
comment,
while
we're
having
our
discussion
we'll
try
to
we'll
try
to
engage
that
the
the
point
is
not
to
and
I
wanted
to
apologize
to,
Mr
Noor.
Yes,
the
agenda
did
say
that
but
I'm
trying
to
or
order
our
public
comment
with
the
discussion
at
hand.
So
everybody
can
follow
along
okay,
I
apologize
caller!
Please
go
ahead.
R
Hi
yeah
I
think
you
might
have
cut
into
my
three
minutes
that
the
recording
told
me
I
had
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
I'll
be
cut
off,
my
name
is
Jan.
Shocket
and
I
am
a
property
owner
on
Patton
Avenue
at
14
and
16
Patton
Avenue,
and
these
are
buildings
that
have
been
that
literally,
like
literally
I,
grew
up
in
in
the
1960s
and
70s.
When
my
parents
bought
that
those
buildings
in
the
1960s
and
70s
and
I
have
watched
this
for
low
those
many
years.
R
That
I
doubt
hardly
anybody
on
this
call
or
in
this
meeting
have
done.
But
this
is
I'd
like
to
make
three
points
number
one
I
would
be
very
curious
to
know
what
months
those
numbers
of
how
many
cars
go
on
those
Lanes.
What
month
were
those
from
because,
as
you
may
or
may,
not
know
from
not
being
there
all
the
time
six
days
a
week,
January
through
April
or
May
numbers
are
very,
very
different
than
June
through
November
or
December
numbers.
R
Currently,
so
that's
Point
number
one
point
number
two
is
why
don't
you
send
a
survey
out
to
well
business
owners?
We
didn't
get
the
survey
or
the
information
that
you
sent.
We
didn't
have
a
chance
for
input,
but
why
don't
you
send
the
survey
out
to
Asheville
residence
to
see
what
they
have
to
say
about
this,
because
every
Asheville
person
that
I've
talked
to
most
of
the
people
I
know
are
long
time,
lifelong
people
and
we're
not
negative
about
stuff.
R
But
we
like
to
have
input,
and
we
have
also
all
seen
many
people
blow
through
town
with
great
ideas
who
want
to
make
them
happen
and
then,
within
five
years,
they're
gone
and
we're
left
with
the
results,
if
that
actually
ends
up
happening,
if
they
actually
end
up
happening.
So
every
single
person
that
I
have
spoken
to
said
good
bike
Lanes,
which
lane
right
lane
left
lane,
like
the
previous
caller.
R
Any
car
pulling
out
or
making
a
turn
to
the
right
or
the
left,
whichever
line
the
traffic,
the
bicycles,
are
in
the
stand,
a
really
good
chance
of
hitting
somebody,
and
whose
fault
is
it?
It's
probably
the
driver's
fault
and
if
God
forbid,
that
person
should
be
poorly
injured
or
killed,
then
the
driver
is
going
to
get
sued
teams
to
a
lot
of
people
that
I
talk
to
that.
R
You
know
a
very
small
number
of
people
I.E.
The
cyclists
are
trying
to
have
this
happen
when
it
really
affects
a
much
larger
number
of
residents
and
tourists.
Remember:
a
million
people
come
to
Downtown
Nashville
every
day,
I
mean
I'm
sorry
every
year.
That's
a
lot
of
people
and
they're,
mostly
not
driving
or
riding
bicycles,
because
there's
a
lot
of
them
and
they
have
a
lot
of
luggage.
So
I'm,
just
not
in
favor
of
this,
as
you
can
tell,
and
I
really
would
like
for
you
to
postpone
it.
It's
not
a
bad
idea.
R
There
are
many
other
possibilities,
but
having
bikes
go
through
downtown,
but
at
this
time
when
there
are
not
other
connecting
bike
lanes
for
them
to
really
connect
up
with
perfectly
and
when
it's
not
been
discussed
enough,
I
think
it's
really
important
that
this
be
postponed
until
a
later
date
for
a
vote
or
a
conversation.
Thank
you.
P
Q
P
D
P
Thank
you.
My
name
is:
hunt
Mallette
and
I
own
the
buildings.
My
family
owns
the
buildings
at
90,
Patton,
Avenue
and
I
conduct
my
business
at
The,
Wine
House,
here,
along
with
several
of
the
renters
and
I'm
about
10
feet
from
the
traffic
on
Patton,
Avenue
and
I,
see
it
every
day.
P
P
However,
downtown's
a
different
situation:
I'm
a
biker,
I
own,
a
bike
that
I
bought
from
flying
by
down
the
hill
I'm
very
happy
with
it.
But
when
you
get
downtown
to
the
section
where
this
particular
plan
is
is
proposed,
traffic
is
so
slow
that
I've
never
ever
had
any
problems
with
negotiating
those
areas,
because
the
traffic
is
slow.
P
That
kind
of
gives
a
false
lean
to
the
idea
that
the
traffic
count
is
so
much
within
the
one
lane
scenario
that
the
city
planner
had
given
those
traffic
lanes
and
on
Merriman
Charlotte
Street,
all
those
that
were
compared
the
traffic's
moving,
much
quicker,
not
the
case
here
in
town
I've
got
a
real
big
safety
concern
when
the
fire
trucks
that
come
so
often
Down,
College
Street
from
the
fire
station
tried
to
negotiate
a
one-lane
road.
P
She
was
saying
that
that
it
was
wide
enough
on
the
bike
lane
to
get
a
fire
truck
through
or
an
emergency
vehicle.
That's
just
not
the
case
they're
proposing
to
have
both
the
bike
lane
and
these
loading
zones
to
make
up
the
room
for
that.
Well,
if
you
have
a
18-wheeler,
that's
parked
in
one
of
the
loading
zones
that
narrows
the
down
to
just
the
bike
lane
and
the
fire
truck
is
not
going
to
fit
through
through
that
area.
P
In
addition
to
that,
the
loading
zones
on
the
left
hand
side
of
the
road
mean
that
anyone
unloading
a
hand
truck
full
of
of
materials,
we'll
have
to
cross
this
one
lane
of
traffic.
That's
now
servicing
all
the
traffic
that's
coming
through
and
that's
just
unattainable,
because
I
get
deliveries
all
the
time.
P
In
fact,
I've
got
one
rolling
in
right
now
and
crossing
the
traffic
lane
will
be
a
an
additional
Hazard
for
those
slow
down
business
so
in
in
again,
I
think
most
of
these
downtown
stakeholders
that
are
not
opposed
to
trying
to
increase
bike
movement
among
our
city
is
just
that
in
this
little
block
area
or,
however
many
blocks,
it
seems
like
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
P
We're
trying
to
make
a
little
area
right
in
the
center
of
town,
which
is
already
congested
even
more
so
and
I,
would
urge
the
commission
to
if
nothing
else,
delay
the
vote
to
take
a
quicker
look
at
this
and
get
some
real
life
experience.
P
Consideration
to
what
may
look
good
on
paper
is
just
not
going
to
work
in
reality.
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
T
K
T
Okay,
hi
I'm
Patty
Glazer.
Can
you
hear
me?
Loser
architecture
I've
been
an
resident
of
Asheville
for
40
years
and
have
worked
downtown
and
I'm
business
owner
and
property
owner
there
for
that
full
time,
and
although
I've
already
submitted
a
lot
of
written
comments,
I
thought
I
would
just
highlight
a
couple
things
for
those
folks
who
are
listening
and
haven't
received
any
written
information.
T
A
lot
of
these
points
have
already
been
made,
but
I
do
need
to
reiterate
that
as
both
a
business
owner
and
a
property
owner
on
the
route,
we
did
not
receive
any
notification
and
although
the
plan
has
been
modified
slightly,
given
some
recent
input
that
the
business
owners
and
property
owners
have
made
that
there's
still
a
lot
of
issues,
the
deliveries,
although
the
transportation
guys
how
many
linear
feet
there
are,
if
there's
really
an
issue
of
the
size
and
the
location
of
those
delivery
areas
as
well.
T
As
you
know,
beer
and
beer
trucks,
beverage
trucks
have
to
load
and
unload
on
both
sides
of
the
truck
they
would
be
in
the
one
moving
traffic
lane
or
in
the
bicycle
lane,
which
clearly
is
not
safe.
I
think
part
of
the
problem
is
given
the
fact
that
the
width
of
the
streets
is
not
going
to
change
that
the
two
streets
that
you've
selected
college
and
patent
just
really
aren't
wide
enough
to
be
able
to
afford
to
give
up
a
lane
and
have
a
single
Lane
of
moving
traffic.
T
If
a
bus
stops
to
load
unload
people,
if
somebody's
dropping
off
someone
to
go
to
work,
if
there's
a
handicap
person
that
will
stop
100
percent
of
the
traffic
to
a
you
know,
a
standstill,
I
think
that's
a
concern
that
hasn't
been
addressed
and
the
other
thing
I'd
like
to
address.
Is
this
talk
about
people
cycling
to
work
from
folks?
I've
talked
to
you
know
these
cycle,
these
these
folks,
who
often
work
downtown,
live
at
maybe
Sweden,
Creek
or
Swannanoa,
or
something,
and
they
really
can't
realistically
Drive
downtown
ride
their
bikes
downtown.
T
T
Is
continue
to
look
maybe
for
a
place
to
put
bike
Lanes
downtown,
but
take
them
off
of
these
two
streets
where
clearly,
we
have
so
much
congestion
already
with
the
deliveries,
the
tourists,
the
folks
looking
at
their
cell
phones,
and
if
you
push
these
these
bike,
Lanes
off
to
other
East-West
corridors,
it'll,
be
a
much
safer
situation
and
it
won't
compromise
the
future
of
these
operating
businesses.
T
So
I
would
like
you
to
consider
that
as
an
alternative,
so
thank
you
very
much
and
I
won't
get
into
any
more
specific,
since
we've
already
sent
in
written
statements.
That
really
is
a
compilation
of
at
least
30
of
us
business
owners
in
the
area
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
B
No
more
no
more
public
comment:
okay,
okay,
I've
got
based
on
some
of
the
public
comment.
We
we
heard,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
I
wanted
to.
Let
Jessica
speak
and
then
hear
some
public
comment
and
then
maybe
give
Jessica
a
chance
to
respond
to
some
of
the
things
we
heard.
Does
that
sound
okay
with
everyone
before
we
get
back
into
our
discussion
so
I'll
own?
It
Jessica.
If
you
don't
mind
addressing
a
couple
of
points
that
I
did
not
see
in
your
presentation,
maybe
or
I
just
missed
it.
B
So
one
was
a
question
of
when
were
the
traffic
counts,
the
average
daily
traffic
volumes?
Given
that's
a
one
and
then
if
you
could
address,
there's
two
two
specific
pieces
of
the
of
the
plan.
So
there's
a
lot
of
people
voice
in
support
and
a
lot
of
people
voice
in
opposition,
but
I
heard
two
specific
places
for
the
opposition,
and
one
had
to
do
do
with
loading
unloading
around
Pritchard
Park
and
the
other
one
had
to
do
with
the
location
of
the
bike
lane
on
the
north
side
of
the
Biltmore
company.
B
Building
on
that
that
south
side
of
Patton
right
there,
so
if
you
could
address
again
the
the
when
the
traffic
counts
were
taken,
if
you
know
that
one
and
then
address
loading
at
Pritchard
Park
and
the
bike
lane
at
that
part
of
Patton
just
north
of
the
Biltmore
building,
those
were
the
three
specific
pieces
of
opposition
that
we
heard
that
I'd
like
to
see
addressed.
I
Okay,
I'll
do
my
best
and
you
might
have
to
remind
me,
but
so
these
traffic
counts
here
actually
from
ncdot
and
when
it
says
annual
average
daily
traffic.
What
they're
doing
these
are
stations
that
some
of
them
are
permanent
stations
or,
and
some
of
them
are
when
I
mean
permanent,
that
that
means
they're
actually
embedded
in
their
their
they're
counting
all
the
time,
and
some
of
them
are
spots
that
they
do
I
believe
once
a
year
and
when
what
they
do
is
they
they
calculate
the
average
annual
daily
traffic.
I
So
it's
not
just
one
point
in
time:
it's
throughout
the
whole
year
and
then
they
average
it
out
over
the
day.
So
there
could
certainly
be
fluctuations
up
and
down
different
times
of
year,
but
on
the
whole,
these
are
the
average
daily
volumes
and
I
will
say
that
you
know
the
capacity
of
generally
speaking,
the
capacity
of
a
single
travel
Lane
is
about
12
000
vehicles
per
day.
So
it's
you
know,
like
I,
said
before
we're
seeing
traffic
here
in
downtown.
I
That's
a
lot
less
than
what
you
even
see
on
Charlotte
Street,
where
we
just
implemented
a
road
diet.
So
you
know
from
a
traffic
per
engineering
perspective,
these
volumes
are
relatively
low,
speeds
are
low
and
there
there
shouldn't
be
an
overall
congestion
problem.
Will
there
be?
I
Is
there
going
to
continue
to
be
congestion
in
the
peak
hours
there
could
be,
but
overall
there
should
not
be
a
significant
impact
to
traffic.
That
answer.
Question
number
one.
B
It
does
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
that
average
annual
day
daily
traffic
is
actually
a
a
a
public
application
that
anybody
can
go
to
on
the
ncdot
website
and
you
can
go
right
to
Asheville
and
pull
that
up
for
the
years
going
back
through
2002.,
all
right,
okay,
so
the
next
one
was
loading
unloading
around
Pritchard
Park.
We
heard
several
folks
talking
about
that
in
moving
the
loading
zone
to
the
basically
right
across
from
the
Wells
Fargo
away
from.
S
B
Of
where
they
have
some
loading
and
loading
zones
now
and
there's
a
there's,
a
ton
of
restaurants
around
that.
If
you
could
address
that,
please.
G
I
And
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
it's
not
shown
on
this
this
current
drawing,
but
on
the
Patton
Avenue,
where
we've
got
the
restoration
hotel,
that's
currently
being
constructed
and
right
in
front
of
the
Asheville
Discount
Pharmacy.
There
are
some
existing
loading
zones.
I
think
they're
being
shifted
a
little
bit
with
the
construction
of
of
the
restoration
project.
I
So
there
is
some
additional
loading
zone.
That's
going
to
be
here
on
the
south
side
of
Patton
Avenue,
that's
not
shown
here.
So
so!
Yes,
we
are.
We
are
proposing
to
move
the
existing
loading,
that's
taking
place
here
on
the
north
side
of
Pritchard
Park
and
there's
also
a
space
for
a
police
vehicle,
and
so
we've
transitioned
all
of
that
over
to
the
the
other
side
of
the
park.
It
is
a
change
and
it
is,
you
know
something
that
I
think
delivery
drivers
will
have
to
get
used
to
you
know.
I
Unfortunately,
the
city
can't
provide
a
loading
space
for
everybody
and
it's
going
to
be
convenient.
Loading
spaces
are
going
to
be
convenient
for
some
businesses
and
inconvenient
for
others.
Every
time
we
move
one
somebody
benefits
and
somebody
doesn't
so
it's
a
change,
it's
just
it's
a
transition
and-
and
you
know
it's
definitely
something
that
we've
thought
about
really.
You
know
really
diligently.
G
I
Load
I
will
say,
though,
that
loading
zones
are
something
that
you
know
we
control
in
my
department
and
we
can
change
them
if,
if
we
need
to
so
you
know,
is
it
something
that
we
can
look
at
at
maybe
taking
some
loading
zones
or
some
parking
spaces
here
in
front
of
people
of
honey
and
Mesa
and
and
make
some
loading
space
there?
That's
a
possibility
that
we
could
look
at
for
sure
again
trade-offs
if
you're
taking
space
from
one
place
and
moving
it
to
another
it
it
hurts
them
and
helps
others.
B
Okay
and
then
the
the
the
other
item
and
then
we'll
talk
about
public
engagement
when
we
get
into
our
discussion.
The
other
item
had
to
do
with
so
the
the
bike
lane
on
I
guess:
that's
still
college
right.
There
is
on
the
right
side
and
then
it
shifts
over
and
you've
made
that
shift
in
front
of
the
the
Biltmore
company
building
the
north
right
there.
That's
correct,
no
I'm
not
going
to
address
the
the
right-of-way
access
legalities.
Obviously
anything
you
do.
You
have
to
do.
That's
legal
and
easements
I
can't.
D
B
Outside
of
what
we
do,
okay,
can
you
speak
to
the
the
safety
and
why
you
made
the
shift
there.
B
You
did
instead
of
keeping
it
on
the
North
and
then
making
the
shift
before
you
cross
broad
I.
Guess
that's
Broadway
right
there
right.
I
Yeah
I
can
yeah
and
I
can
I
can
speak
to
a
few
things
here
so
so
over
to
the
east.
There's
an
existing
bike
lane
on
College
and
it's
and
that's
also
where
College
Street.
This
is
where
College
Street
goes
from
two-way
to
one
way.
I
So
this
is
where
there's
a
transition
from
two-way
to
one-way
traffic,
and
so
this
is
the
the
most
logical
place
to
make
a
transition
to
a
left
side
bike
lane,
because
we're
going
to
into
a
one-way
Street
configuration
at
this
point
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
the
reason
why
a
left
side
bike
lane
bike
lane
is,
in
our
opinion
and
in
many
people's
opinions
in
traffic
engineering
and
safety,
that
it's
a
safer
configuration
overall
and
also
in
particular,
for
this
project.
I
So
we
did
a
very
comprehensive
analysis
of
both
corridors
and
looked
at
all
of
the
possible
conflicts
that
occur
and
no
matter
where
you
have
a
bike
lane
or
or
a
vehicle
Lane
wherever
there's
a
driveway
there's
a
potential
conflict
Point
wherever
you
have
parking
spaces
that
exist.
There's
a
conflict.
Point
bus
stops.
Additionally,
so
we
looked
at
all
of
the
locations
of
driveways
and
we
analyzed
left
side
versus
right
side
for
a
bike
lane
on
both
college
and
Patton
and
essentially
tallied
it
up
and
so
from
a
conflict
perspective.
I
Really
I
would
just
look
at
these
top
three
driveways
parking
and
bus
stops,
because
the
the
parking
losses
is
something
that
changed
since
this
slide
was
made,
but
there's
there's
less
driveways
that
you're
interfering
with
yes,
one
one
of
them
is
the
biltmore's
garage
driveway.
One
of
them
is
the
aeris's
garage
driveway,
and
one
of
them
is
the
Wells
Fargo
garage
driveway,
but
there's
six
more
driveways
on
the
right
side
or
there's
six
driveways
on
the
right
side.
I
A
huge
reason
why
we
felt
like
the
left
side
would
make
more
sense
and
be
safer,
so
we're
getting
out
of
the
way
of
bus
stops
when
we're
when
we're
moving
it
to
the
left-hand
side
as
a
one-way
Street.
We
also
don't
have
to
make
any
changes
to
traffic
signals.
So
that's
not
not
an
issue
that
we
had
to
deal
with
either
way,
so
that
speaks
to
the
safety,
and
you
know
I
could
talk
specifically
about
the
Biltmore.
I
You
know
we
we
had
Communications
with
them
at
the
very
beginning
of
this
project,
just
like
with
everybody
else
back
in
February
was
when
we
first
reached
out
to
them-
and
we
had
communication
probably
several
months
ago,
and
they
just
sent
us
information
last
night.
That
they
feel
is
is
that
they
have
easement.
They
have
an
easement
on
the
sidewalk,
but
they
don't
have
an
easement
in
the
street
from
what
we
can
tell
so
we'll
have
a
meeting
with
them.
I
What
we've
done
is-
and
this
is
very
common-
there's
a
break
in
the
bike
lane
and
this
green
paint
signifies
a
conflict
area,
and
you
can
see
these
these
green
in
dashed
lines.
This
is
where
conflict
areas
are,
but
this
alerts
the
the
bicyclists
that
they're
going
to
be
crossing
a
driveway,
the
the
vehicle
Lane,
so
people
would
be
able
to
turn
left
into
their
garage
and
they
would
be
able
to
turn
left
out
of
their
garage
just
like
they
do
now
and-
and
really.
B
Sure
so
folks,
we're
gonna
we're
we're
already
deep
into
our
schedule
and
we
haven't
even
gotten
into
our
second
item
yet
so
I
I
want
to
give
opportunity
for
everyone
to
speak,
and
so
we
can
consider
this
thoughtfully.
But
please
be
please
be
clear
and
if
we
don't
get
to
all
of
our
items
today,
then
then
that's
fine,
we'll
we'll
move
through
this
piece
as
as
thoroughly
as
we
can.
So
at
this
point,
I'd
like
to
open
the
floor
up
for
any
there.
B
We
go
y'all
know
how
to
do
this,
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
figure
out
who
went
first
open
the
queue
okay,
I
think
Kimmy
beat
out
everybody
and
then
Tylenol.
M
Hey
good
morning,
Aunt
Jessica
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
I
I
heard
of
one
of
the
callers
say
ask
about
bike
racks.
Can
we
just
address,
like
you
know,
with
the
addition
of
these
corridors,
where,
if
any,
will
there
be
additional
bike?
Racks
thanks.
I
I'm
sorry,
there
will
be
additional
bike
racks.
There
are
existing
bike
racks
in
the
throughout
the
corridor
and
we
plan
to
add
more
we've
looked
at
places
actually,
where
we
can
potentially
add
a
bike
Corral,
which
is
you've
seen
we
have
one
on
Biltmore.
We
have
one
on
Haywood
Road,
where
there's
a
set
of
bike
racks
all
together,
so
we
haven't,
pinpointed
or
I'll
say,
finalized
any
specific
locations
right
now,
but
the
intention
is
to
add
pockets
of
bike
racks
throughout
the
corridor.
I
D
U
Jessica
thanks
for
the
very
thoughtful
overview
and
thank
you
to
everyone
that
called
in
moving
in
from
a
city
that
has
bike
lanes
and
they're
accommodating
for
cyclists.
I
can
totally
see
the
value
of
this.
At
the
same
time.
You
know
we
do
have
to
be
considered
of
all
the
business
owners
and
it
doesn't
sound
like
they
were
super
involved
in
this
prop
in
this
process.
U
From
that
slide
slide
deck,
it
looks
like
the
property
owners
were
notified,
so
I
wonder
how
many
of
the
people
that
actually
own
the
businesses
and
might
be
renting
or
leasing
from
the
owners
were
involved
and
if
they're
it
sounds
like
there
should
be
another
effort
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
business
owners
regarding
the
average.
So
I
don't
know
that
average
is
a
really
good
way
to
look
at
the
number.
The
traffic
I'd
be
interested
to
know
how
many
months
we're
crossing
the
12
000
so
is.
U
It
is
the
number
the
same
in
October
like
or
the
in
November
or
September
Burling,
so
I
wonder
if
we
have
actual
numbers
to
see
if
we're
crossing
the
12
000
cars
a
day
and
as
though
as
a
whole
I,
don't
I.
Don't
fully
understand
why
the
lanes
need
to
go
there.
We
can
connect
the
lanes
through
other
streets
and
create
less
disruption
for
the
business
owners.
U
So
if
there,
if
the
concern
is
connecting
by
bike
Lanes,
then
maybe
we
can
move
them.
Foreign.
B
Let's
go
ahead
and
address
if
we
can
the
engagement
issue,
because
I'm
I'm
at
a
bit
of
a
loss
on
that,
because
we
talked
about
this
in
June
y'all.
This
group
did
March.
F
U
R
G
I
Yeah-
and
you
know,
this
is
a
thing
that
we
just
struggle
with
with
all
of
our
projects
is,
is
engagement
and
getting
people's
attention,
and
you
know
we
certainly
I
think
as
a
city
can
improve
our
engagement
efforts
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
did
send
letters
to
Property
Owners,
which
we
recognize
are
not
necessarily
business
owners
or
renters.
I
We
try
to
to
fill
that
Gap
by
delivering
flyers
in
late
February
to
businesses
and
those
those
in
letters
and
flyers
had
information
about
virtual
meetings
and
walking
tours
that
the
city
was
going
to
do
prior
to
the
virtual
meetings
and
walking
tours.
We
sent
a
press
release
out
and
that's
kind
of
what,
spurred
on
several
of
the
news
outlets,
putting
some
information
out,
which
is
indirect,
but
we're
trying
to
have
some
broad
publicity
as
well.
I
I
sent
an
email
out
prior
to
that
to
as
many
stakeholders
whose
email
I
had
so
you
know,
I
recognize
that
none
of
this
is
perfect
and
we
could
likely
have
done
even
more
to
flyer
deliveries
and
letters
and
such,
but
we
honestly
did
try
to
hit
as
many
people
as
we
could
and
and
obviously
it
sounds
like
folks
did
not
get
get
the
information
and
then
we
we
did
the
all
of
the
in-person
mocking
tours
and
virtual
meetings
in
March
and
Then,
followed
up
with.
I
B
Okay,
so
I
I
mean
again
we
we
we
saw
this
the
first
time
in
March,
and
then
we
talked
about
it
again
in
June
and
then
we
touched
base.
You
know
we
we
even
talked
about
it
briefly
when
we
talked
about
the
one
that
did
not
go
forward
on
Biltmore
Avenue
as
a
as
a
as
a
different.
You
know.
B
One
of
the
reasons
we
weren't
in
favor
of
the
Illinois
Biltmore
Avenue
is
because
we
didn't
feel
like
the
businesses
were
being
given
time
to
respond,
and
this
one
I
I'm
struggling
to
see
how
they
haven't
had
time
to
respond.
I
mean
I,
I,
get
it
and
I
I
believe
Barry
I,
believe
Sherry
when
they
say
I
I
wasn't
notified,
but
anyway
we
we've
been
looking
at
it
for
a
while
I
think,
Geo,
you're
next
and
then
Kimmy
again,
then
Andrew
then
Stephen
Lee.
H
Okay,
some
of
the
questions
I
had
were
already
mentioned,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
of
comments
at
the
the
last
public
Space
Management
committee
meeting
we
did
not
hear
from
the
program
could
meet
from
the
excuse
me,
alternative
transportation,
so
I
think
we,
when
we
didn't
hear
that
aspect
of
we
heard
a
lot
of
issues
about
pragmatic
issues,
about
loading
and
so
forth,
as
we've
heard
today.
H
But
we
did
not
hear
from
the
back
and
I
was
very
surprised
how
many
positive
statements
we
got
from
our
our
this
week's
public
input
written
changes.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
very
quickly
is
we
did
have
there.
There
was
a
for
those
of
us
for
those
of
you
who
did
were
were
not
privy
to
the
the
the
or
listening
to
the
public
task
force
committee,
the
public
Space
Management
task
force
committee.
H
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
these
loading
zones
and
Jessica
I
just
wanted
to
know
has
the
the
plan
you
just
showed
us
changed
at
all
since
okay,
all
right.
So
it's
it's
the
same
plan
that
we
reviewed
during
the
public
Space
Management
committee
meeting.
Thank.
H
And
I
also
want
to
say
that
there
was
a
a
lot
of
discussion
about
enforcement.
I
think
Stephen
Lee
brought
up
the
issue
of
of
you
know:
active
enforcement
of
of
loading
zones
and
so
forth
and
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
public
knew
that
there
was
that
there
is
a
real
aspect
of
this.
That's
make
it
work
there.
There
must
be
enforcement
of
the
parking
and-
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
M
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'll
be
rolling
off
this
body
of
commission
soon
and
I
just
want
to
State.
This
isn't
any
individual's
problems
or
any
person.
You
know
problem
from
process,
but
I
see
a
constant
thread
because
we
did
discuss
this
I
recall
it.
We
would
I
think
it
was
first
introduced.
M
Maybe
in
a
year
ago,
like
as
a
thought
or
a
presentation,
there's
a
systemic
need
to
identify
and
engage
various
groups
of
stakeholders
and
I
see
it
repeated
in
everything
that
we
deal
with
and
the
three
that
I
think
I
heard
from
and
I'm
going
to
say
this
out
loud.
So
it
can
be
captured.
M
A
lot
of
writers
and
users
have
been
engaged
from
just
you
know:
that's
how
they're
going
to
they
want
it
because
they
use
it.
Then
the
other
group
is
business
owners
who
actually
are
Leasing
and
then
the
third
is
real
estate
owners
and
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
again
I'm
speaking
more
broadly,
but
this
is
like
the
beta
that
I'm
using
is
one
of
the
challenges
that
I
think
we
can.
M
You
know
when
I
roll
off
and
be
happy
to
continue
and
support
around
this
particular
need
is
identifying
the
various
groups
of
stakeholders
and
making
sure
there's
enough
volume
of
each
of
those
stakeholder
groups
to
be
able
to
make.
You
know
a
proper
assessment
as
to
how
everything,
intersects
and
I
think
you
said
it
really
well
Jessica
that
not
everybody's
going
to
win,
but
a
win-win-win
on
certain
aspects
can
happen
based
on
stakeholder
intersection.
So
I
just
wanted
to
name
that
and
I
think.
M
As
you
stated
so
eloquently
the
city
county
public
bodies,
many
bodies
do
their
best
with
the
resources
they
have
to
engage
the
public
at
the
same
time,
every
single
issue:
every
single
thing
to
vote
upon,
every
single
person's
rights
intersects
with
multiple
other
stakeholder
rights
and
to
be
able
to
convene
those
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
and
have
enough
body
of
information
is
challenging.
So
I
just
wanted
to
name
that
put
it
on
record
somewhere.
M
V
Thank
you.
First
Kimmy
I
think
that
that
is
a
that's,
a
great
idea
and
the
way
that
you
presented
that
every
project
and
there's
a
learning
situation
and
there's
probably
some
things
that
could
be
learned
from
this,
but
it
is
tough
I'm
gonna.
Do
this
kind
of
real
quickly.
V
V
My
business
is
on
Patton
Avenue
directly,
both
related
to
this
I
owned
the
space
my
building
is
in
my
business
is
in
the
one
thing
I
haven't
heard.
Anyone
discuss
today
is
how
this
proposed
project
I
feel
dramatically:
improves
Public
Safety
in
general,
as
a
pedestrian
me
trying
to
cross
a
crosswalk.
V
The
biggest
issue
I
see
with
traffic
in
this
Corridor
is
on
weekends
people
that
are
coming
to
downtown
because
they
want
to
drive
around
and
they
speed
through
downtown.
This
is
going
to
have
a
dramatic
impact
on
that.
My
second
thought,
Jessica
I,
believe
that
the
loading
zones
that
are
not
shown
on
the
current
drawing
in
front
of
the
restoration,
hotel
and
Asheville
Discount
Pharmacy
those
loading
zones
are
critical
to
the
success
of
this
project
and
we
need
to
see
those
very
clearly
they're,
critical,
otherwise
I
I.
V
Just
don't
think
that
it's
efficient,
so
I
think
that's
that's
very,
very,
very
important
that
we
see
that
regarding
the
safety
concerns,
we've
been
told
from
staff
staff
has
communicated,
and
this
has
been
reviewed
with
our
Public
Safety
department,
the
fire
department,
police
department,
no
concerns
or
concerns
have
been
addressed,
or
there
are
no
further
concerns.
So,
okay,
I
think
for
me.
That
speaks
for
itself.
V
V
Lastly,
I
feel
that
this
creation
of
a
new
type
of
loading
zone
is
actually
going
to
make
the
loading
zones
much
more
of
that
readily
available
for
the
people.
It's
intended
for
right
now,
as
we
discussed
last
month,
the
loading
zones
are
just
used
freely
by
people
that
aren't
unloading,
stuff
and
they'll
park
there
for
six
hours
and
it's
keeping
businesses
from
using
them.
V
It's
keeping
residents
from
being
able
to
unload
groceries
and
goods
and
I
think
that,
if
there's
a
way
to
enforce
this,
the
way
that
these
things
are
positioned
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
uncomfortable
for
someone
to
just
go
in
drive
into
one
of
these
Lanes
park,
the
car
for
half
a
day
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
very,
very
strong
consideration.
Everybody
needs
to
to
think
about.
V
Those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you.
B
Andrew,
let's,
let's
start
to
wrap
this
up
close
this
out.
C
Thanks
for
the
presentation,
Jessica
I
I
have
a
quick
question.
I
know
that
the
loading
zones
in
the
the
current
loading
zones
are
not
the
first
ones
that
propose
there's
been
some
change
from
the
original
proposal
to
now
correct
and
as
though
I
understand
that
those
changes
were
the
result
of
the
engagement
process.
Is
that
correct.
G
C
So
when
I
see
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
look
for
as
far
as
like
housing
engagement
process
going
is,
is
the
city
being
responsive
to
things
that
come
up
and
you
know
is?
Are
they
incorporating
some
of
the
feedback?
You
got
it's
my
understanding
that
the
reason
we
have
loading
zones
in
this
plan,
where
they're
at
is
because
of
the
engagement
process,
and
it's
not
the
this,
isn't
the
quite
the
original
fit.
Is
that
correct.
I
Correct
yeah,
the
original
concept
plan
that
we
had
back
in
February
late
February
early
March
did
not
have
nearly
as
much
loading
space
and
and
that's.
Why
that
that
slide.
That
I
showed
you
about
the
left
side
versus
right
side.
I
It
had
it
showed
less
parking
being
removed,
because
originally
we
were
proposing
to
remove
La,
we
weren't
proposing
as
much
parking
removal,
because
we
weren't
changing
the
loading
zones
as
much,
but
after
doing
the
virtual
meetings
and
the
walk
through
Tours,
we
heard
from
those
folks
that
loading
was
a
real
issue,
and
so
we
converted
some
parking
spaces
to
additional
loading,
so
negative
impact
on
parking
spaces,
positive
impact
on
loading
zones.
So
yes
from
February
to
now,
we've
made
several
iterations,
but
the
the
biggest
change
is
the
loading
space
that
we've
added.
C
What
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
the
city's
been
responsive
on
that
I
know
that
loading
zones
are
I
mean
it's
not
like.
We
live
in
the
ideal
world
of
loading
zones
right
now
anyway,
I
mean
we're
not
we're
it's
it's.
It
is
kind
of
a
hot
mess
and
there's
a
lot
of
just
flat
out
illegal
parking.
That's
going
on
that
I
have
to
navigate
around.
C
That
makes
things
a
lot
difficult,
so
I
I
see
there's
a
lot
of
advantage
in.
You
know
some
better,
better
traffic,
and
you
know
some
slightly
longer
walks,
but
I
actually
have
a
delivery
route
and
I've
got
about
a
dozen
locations
in
downtown
that
I
deliver
to
so
I
have
to
load
stuff
in
and
out
of
businesses
myself
and
I'm
I
I
feel
supported
with
this
is
going
to
make
things
easier
or
I
wish
that
there
was
more
loading.
C
You
know
there
was
a
look
at
the
places
where
I
have
to
do
some
of
those
loading
and
unloading
activities.
So
you
know
I
I
appreciate
the
the
responsiveness
that
the
city
has
shown
after
during
the
engagement
process.
F
Thank
you.
After
the
Biltmore
project
didn't
move
forward,
I
saw
a
lot
of
negative
critical.
All
criticism,
I
suppose,
is
negative,
but
criticism
aimed
at
businesses
and
just
want
to
remind
folks
that
for
the
most
part,
these
30
plus
businesses
on
the
corridor
who
have
concerns
are
small,
locally
owned
businesses
recovering
from
covid
they're
on
the
street
every
single
day.
F
They
know
the
ins
and
outs
and
I
think
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
them
is
that
they
are
open
to
looking
at
alternative
plans
working
further
into
this
and
trying
to
find
some
ways
that
you
know
we
can
find
something
that
works
for
everyone's
needs
on
the
street.
So
I
just
wanted
to
elevate
the
letter
that
we
got
from
those
businesses
earlier
this
week.
Thanks.
B
B
Are
there
any
other
comments
from
any
anyone?
Okay,
Ricardo
go
ahead
very
quickly,.
Q
Jessica
we
had
talked
about
the
possibility
of
doing
the
loading
zones
like
loading
times.
Was
that
ever
you
know
taking
a
study
further
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
get
your
comments
on
the
callers
comment
about
maybe
running
the
bike
lens
through
picture
park,
because
I
got
to
be
honest
when
I
first
saw
that
slide.
That
was
my
first
thought.
I
was
like
why?
I
G
I
Question:
okay,
your
first
question:
oh
gosh,
it
just
slipped
my
mind:
okay,
second
question:
I,
I,
don't
exactly
know!
What's
meant
by
running
them
into
the
park,
I
mean
there's,
definitely
grade
changes
in
the
park.
There's
steps
down,
there's
like
a
sunken
area
in
the
park,
there's
a
bunch
of
trees
and
benches
and
Fountain,
and
so
I.
Don't
know
what
that
what
that
means?
I
If,
if
the
intention
is
to
put
the
bike
Lanes
on
the
sidewalk,
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
personally
I
don't
think
that
makes
sense
from
a
safety
perspective,
so
the
bike
lanes
are
are
adjacent
to
the
park.
I
They're
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk
of
the
park,
which
will
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
having
parking
up
against
the
park.
The
primary
Park
boundaries
is,
creates
a
blockage
of
visibility,
so
I
think
this
actually
might
help
from
a
visibility
perspective
from
the
street
to
have
the
bike
Lanes
there.
I
B
He
asked
about
the
a
time.
I
And
you
know
my
answer,
I
think
is
similar
to
previous.
Is
that
we've
got
we've
got
to
do
something
I!
Think
it's
going
to
have
to
be
a
separate
initiative
that
the
city
undertakes
to
to
figure
out
better
ways
to
do
loading
and
delivery.
Because,
like
I
said
it's
not,
we
can't
give
everybody
a
loading
zone
and
it's
not
the
most
efficient
use
of
our
curb
space,
which
is
very
valuable
and
so
creating
turnover,
whether
it's
parking
space
and
loading
zone
or
whatever.
I
We
need
to
find
a
better
way
to
manage
that
and
enforcement
isn't
necessarily
the
whole
answer,
and
it
can't
be
because
we
just
don't
have
enough
people
to
do
that.
I
will
say
that
we
are
trying
to
do
more
enforcement
of
loading
zones
and
we've
just
purchased
some
equipment.
That's
going
to
help
help
us
with
that
and
with
people
that
are
abusing
the
time
limit
on
loading
zones
and
it
that
technological
Improvement
is
going
to
help
us
be
more
efficient
with
that
aspect.
But
it's
not
going
to
solve
the
problem.
I
So
I
do
think
that
it's
a
project
that
the
city
needs
to
take
on
and
and
try
to
fit
into
the
work
program.
Somehow
and
I
think
I
said
before
not
everything
needs
to
be
a
big
technological
investment.
We
could
figure
out
a
way
collectively
to
do
some
kind
of
simple
permit
system,
but
it
would
be
wouldn't
want
to
do
anything
without
having
a
larger
conversation
with
all
of
the
business
owners
downtown.
B
V
Quick
response
on
the
comment
about
the
Pritchard
Park
I
think
that
it
could
be
designed
in
a
way
that
it
could
definitely
take
some
of
the
pressure
off
the
project.
However,
it's
a
million
dollar
project.
It's
a
complete
redesign
of
the
park.
D
D
Man
thanks:
okay,
Geo,
go
ahead
very.
D
V
H
Much
of
my
professional
life
doing
pedestrian
and
and
bike
Greenways
and
stuff
it's
putting
the
combining
pedestrians
and
bikes
on
a
sidewalk
would
mean
winding
the
sidewalk
and
I
think
it
would
cause
more
conflicts
than
it's
worth.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
we're
starting
to
repeat
ourselves
folks,
so
I
think
we
tal
go
ahead.
Real,
quick,
but
then
I'm
gonna
push
us
towards
a.
U
Vote
but
quick
comment
on
safety.
Putting
bike
lens
is
not
a
way
to
address
people
speeding
through
the
roads
right
they're
different
right,
like
we
need
enforcement
and
maybe
other
measures
but
like
putting
the
bicycles.
There
is
not
really
the
way
to
address
people's
speeding
and
I
didn't
really
get
a
answer
on
what
are
the
routes
are
evaluated
for
this?
So
my
recommendation
is
going
to
be
to
delay
the
decision
and
vote
on
this
until
more
people
have
time
to
evaluate
and
respond.
B
To
this,
so
let
me
let
me
clear
up
a
procedural
issue:
real
quick
one.
Our
vote
doesn't
make
the
project
go
forward.
We
would
just
be
voting
to
recommend
it
and
it
would
go
to
the
there's
another
one
that
it
goes
to
after
us
before
it
goes
to
council
council's
the
one
who
votes
on
this.
Not
us
our
our
vote
just
recommends
to
council
Jessica
go
ahead
and
address
his
is
East-West
question.
G
I
Sure
so,
let's
see,
the
only
way
of
cycling
is
on
Hilliard,
which
is
the
only
other
East-West
Corridor
that
goes
through.
I
You
know
fully
through
from
east
to
west
so
and
we're
trying
to
connect
to
that,
and
we've
also
got
bike
Lanes
on
Ashland
and
Cox,
so
we're
trying
to
get
people
north
south
and
east
west.
So
there
there
isn't
another.
In
my
opinion,
East
West,
Court
or
that
thoroughly
goes
through
I
mean
we've
got
bike
Lanes
on
College
Street
here
by
by
pack
Square.
Sorry
and
our
you
know,
our
intention
is
to
get
them
all
the
way
out
to
Tunnel
Road.
I
We
also
you
know:
I
should
mention
the
I-26
project.
Eventually,
that
will
happen
and
there's
going
to
be
bike.
Lanes
on
the
new
Bowen
Bridge
there's
going
to
be
a-
and
there
is
a
Greenway
right
here
to
the
south
side
of
I-26
and
Our
intention
is
to
have
bike
Lanes
all
the
way,
all
the
way
into
downtown
on
Patton,
so
that
we're
truly
making
an
East
to
West
Connection
through
downtown
to
East
and
West
Asheville.
I
They
want
to
be
able
to
access
those
things
too,
and
so
having
them
go
on
a
lot
of
Securitas
routes
is
not
always
not
not
always
the
better
thing
for
for
that.
So
that's
my
response
to
that.
Thank.
B
You
all
right
folks
I've
got
two
folks
that
want
to
jump
off
at
11,
and
they
desperately
want
to
vote
on
this.
So
here's
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
recommend
implementation
of
the
of
the
college
patent
bike.
Lane
project
find
it
in
the
public
interest,
along
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
Asheville
in
motion
plan
and
downtown
master
plan,
and
the
project
would
enhance
East-West
mobility
and
diversify
Safe
Transportation
access
options
for
workers,
residents
and
visitors
coming
to
downtown
I.
B
Do
recommend
on
this
condition
that
the
city
of
actual
transportation
department
continue
to
work
with
to
properly
delineate
all
loading
zones
on
the
proposed
plan
that
they
would
continue
to
listen
and
work
with
the
businesses
along
that
to
make
any
required
adjustments
and
I
would
also
note
that
what
we're
talking
about
is
not
major
infrastructure.
This
is
mainly
a
restriping
project
and
would
and
and
could
be
adjusted
even
in
the
future,
if
something's
not
working
out
and
that
we
maintain
communication
through
the
implementation
of
this
project
as
it
goes
forward.
That's
my
motion.
B
B
Kimberly
I
Stephen
Lee,
hi
Megan.
S
B
She's,
not
I
thought
I
saw
Sage.
Okay,
thank
you
for
voting.
Thank
you
for
I'm
doing
that.
I
really
appreciate
the
no
votes,
it's
good
for
us
to
have
healthy
discussion.
I.
Think
that
motion
carry
did
it
not
yes,
okay,
so
again,
there
are
there's
at
least
one
more
public
engagement
piece
of
this
going
forward.
I
believe
that
the
public
can
engage
with
this
before
it
goes
to
council,
and
as
this
is
a
council
matter,
you
still
can
go
to
council
engage
there
there.
B
C
Really
quick
I
know
you
made
the
motion:
did
you
also
vote?
I
may
I
I
may
have
missed,
I
was
trying
to
count
you.
C
C
B
Yeah
very
good,
so
I
think
it
was
Tom,
Megan
and
Ruth
that
were
nay
is
what
I
wrote
down.
Is
that
right?
Okay,
Ricardo
did
I
get
you
I
can't,
remember,
I.
Think
I
did
now
now
my
memory
is
slipping.
Okay,
thank
you,
everybody
again
for
that
and
we
will
keep
going
so
Hey
Sage
go
ahead.
K
Hey
just
real
quick,
y'all
and
I'm
a
little
under
the
weather.
Sorry
about
my
voice,
but
generally
speaking
as
we're
reviewing
more
and
more
of
these
roads
and
bike
Lanes
I'm
listening
very
clearly
to
what
I
hear
is
a
call
for
more
types
of
Engagement,
not
just
how
an
example
I
would
like
to
revert
to
is.
If
you
came
to
the
Haywood
Road
Corridor
repaving
meeting
just
a
few
nights
ago,
ncdot
ruled
out
some
interesting
new
ways
of
showing
it
they
had
table
long
versions
of
the
streets.
K
K
So
what
I'm
hearing
is,
if
we're
going
to
keep
doing
these,
as
we
keep
doing
these
measures
of
change
in
our
streets,
we
need
to
do
more
of
that
type
stuff,
and
you
know,
however,
this
one
plays
out
we'll
go
to
ped
and
Council
and
so
on,
but
I
want
you
all
to
hear
that
we
I
do
hear
more
engagement
is
needed
all
around
and
better
tools
at
and
I.
Think
our
staff
are
very
capable
of
that
and
I.
Just
thank
everybody
for
hearing
this
again.
K
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
I
don't
know
that
we're
going
to
get
through
all
of
our
items,
Stephanie,
we
might
shoot.
A
B
Let
me
do
this
I'm
going
to
shift
our
agenda
around
if,
if
everyone
can
hang
on
for
about
give
me
at
least
10
more
minutes,
so
what
I
really
want
to
do
is
I
want
to
talk
about
the
remote
in-person
meeting,
because
that's
the
most
prevalent,
maybe
Stephanie
you
could
talk
about
just
maybe
send
out
something
as
an
update,
and
we
can
do
the
same
thing
with
our
updates
and
reports
if
needed,
and
then
I
wanted
to
give
tyl
a
chance.
B
He
had
requested
some
time
today,
so
very
quickly,
I'm
going
to
move
on.
If
that's,
if
that's
agreeable
to
everyone,
if
not
yell
at
me,
okay
hearing
none
so
one
of
the
we
voted
last
session
in
October,
as
we
were
told
to
to
whether
we
were
going
to
continue
with
remote
or
in
person.
B
B
Now
they
can't
do
the
the
full
public
Engagement
online
like
we're
doing
right
now
again,
public
comment
can
come
in
ahead
of
time
via
email
or
calls.
But
any
public
comment
to
our
meeting.
If
we
went
live,
they
would
actually
have
to
come
in
physically
to
the
meeting
at
this
time,
but
with
public
engagement.
B
Honestly,
we've
only
had
a
couple
years
here.
We've
only
had
true
a
lot
of
call-ins
on
this
issue
today
and
the
Duke
Energy
thing
and
I
think
people
would
come
to
those
anyway.
I
would
I
would
support
going
to
in
person
with
the
live
streaming
option,
and
we
need
to
have
a
vote
on
that
today.
C
Yeah,
you
know
for
me
the
getting
the
ability
to
do
live
streaming
in
person
like
that
is.
That
was
just
announced
in
that
first
floor
conference
room.
That
was
really
the
decision
point
that
I
made
going
the
opposite
way
in
October.
That
was
I.
Think
at
that
meeting,
where
I
voted
for
to
be
remote,
but
with
this
new
capability.
That
was
really
the
hinge
point
where
my
decision
was
on
this.
C
So
if
we
can
be
in
person
or
I,
think
the
quality
of
our
work
is
better
and
we
can
be
and
we
can
be
have
the
ability
to
live
stream,
so
people
can
connect
and
watch
from
home,
live
and
review
after
the
fact
you
know,
which
is
helpful
for
both
our
record
keeping
as
well.
You
know
that
that
really
changes
my
mind
so
I'm
I'm
gonna
be
in
favor
of
the
meeting
in
person
for
the
next
year
and
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion.
B
I
think
we
will.
Our
old
time
was.
B
B
Mean
we
do
8
30,
we
can
do
nine,
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
that.
You
know
what,
but,
but
for
me
the
ability,
I
I'm
I'm,
really
keen
on
public
engagement
as
much
as
possible,
so
I'll.
U
Say
that
my
biggest
concern
is
that
these
meetings
have
never
ended
on
time
and
it's
easier
to
stay
longer
when
it's
remote,
so
that
would
be
my
biggest
concern
because
I
got
I
have
a
full
day
ahead
of
me
and
I.
If
I
had
the
30
minute
drive,
then
I
cannot
stay
so
that
I
think
just
just
the
consideration,
but
I
will
vote
for
in
person.
B
Okay,
I
think
I
think
our
our
meeting
length
has
to
do
with
the
chair,
not
keeping
us
on
task.
So
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
move
to
in-person
meetings
at
City
Hall
and
that,
right
now
we
go
back
to
the
previous
time
of
our
in-person
meetings,
which
would
be
at
8,
30
and
and
be
out
by
10.
I.
Think
is
what
we
try
to
do
before.
V
B
All
right
no
Mark
set
go
Andrew
hi
tall
hi,
Stephen
Lee
hi
I'm,
an
I
Megan
hi
Gio
agio's
going
Ricardo
hi
Ruth
hi.
E
B
In
person
get
to
see
your
happy
smiling
faces
and
everybody
can
throw
tomatoes
directly
at
me
instead
of
afterwards
on
the
email.
So,
okay,
if
you
need
to
go
Ruth,
go
ahead.
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
our
meeting
in
January
is
the
meeting
for
visioning,
so
it
probably
will
be
held
somewhere
other
than
City
Hall.
B
Well,
we
wanted
to
talk
about
that.
If
we
could,
we
had
even
Dana
and
I
had
kicked
around
whether
we
would
put
a
put
off
or
cancel
our
January
meeting
so
that
we
could
all
go
to
that
and
then
maybe
even
have
our
a
work
session,
a
retreat
coinciding
with
it.
So
we'll
we'll
send
something
out
around
that.
How
is
everybody
for
time
I
know
some
of
you
might
need
to
log
off
and
if
you
do,
but
please
do
I
I.
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
sticking
with
us
today
again
we'll
send
out
the
updates
and
reports
just
via
email.
If
that's
okay,
Megan
didn't
want
to
talk
to
us
anyway
and
let's
see
and
I
already
told
Stephanie,
she
doesn't
have
to
do
the
pack
Square
thing
so
yeah
Dana.
Let's
just
talk
real
quick
about
our
annual
report
work
session
planning
in
that
in
that
January
meeting.
B
You
yeah
that
if.
B
Had
a
chance
to
go
to
one
of
those
or
or
see
their
stuff,
I'm
I'm,
really
looking
forward
to
you
I'm
looking
forward
to
talking
about
it
today,
but
I
think
Dana
had
suggested
that
maybe
we
not
have
our
January
meeting
and
in
lieu
of
that
go
to
this
work
session
instead
and
then
potentially
have
a
retreat
afterwards.
But
it
would
mean
you
know
kind
of
blocking
out
most
of
the
day,
so
I.
J
Think
either
that
I
know
that's
a
lot
to
ask.
We
do
have
some
business
to
take
care
of
recommendations
for
the
annual
report
and
Brian
and
I
have
started
thinking
about
some
other
items
for
the
retreat,
but
the
annual
report
is
due
in
January,
so
we
have
some
work
to
do
so.
We
could
either
tack
a
meeting
on
after
the
design
Workshop
which
ends
at
one.
So
we
could
say
you
know
for
the
remaining
portion
of
the
day
or
we
could
look
at
the
next
week
or.
V
Q
J
B
Any
any
strong
opinions
on
either
of
those
options
I
would
like
to
have
a
little
work,
retreat
with
you,
folks
and
and
figure
out
exactly
who
we
are
and
what
we
do
for
a
living
so
go
from
there.
B
So
what
we'll
do
is
Dana
and
I
will
we'll
put
together
a
little
Doodle
poll
on
some
of
our
options
on
that
and
send
that
around
and
I
think
we
do
probably
need
to
have
a
meeting
that
day
Dana,
because
I
think
we're
also
supposed
to
vote
on
chair
at
some
point
right.
We're.
D
J
J
J
B
Okay,
tal
or
if
you're
still
on
and
you
want
to,
has
he
already
dropped
I
think
he
dropped.
Didn't
he
okay
shoot.
He
had.
He
had
an
item
he
wanted
to
to
bring
up
to
us
today.
So
we'll
try
to
address
that
at
our
next
meeting.
B
Okay,
I
apologize
for
the
haphazard
manner
in
which
we
had
to
run
this
meeting,
but
I
think
we
had
a
needed
a
conversation
and
hopefully
everyone
felt
like
they
had
a
chance
to
give
input
and
engage
and
we'll
send
out
the
poll
regarding
our
January
meeting
our
energy
and
assuming
we
have
the
January
meeting
as
it
will
be
in
person
yay
all.
B
Yeah
I
was
juggling.
Chainsaws
is
always
fun.
Okay,
any
with
that
part
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
will
be
Staffing
updates
and
so
yeah.
Let's,
let's
do
the
let's
plan
on
the
officer
elections,
probably
February,
because
even
if
we
have
our
January
meeting,
I
would
like
to
keep
it
short
so
that
we
can
move
on
over
to
the
pack
square
visioning
and
have
as
much
input
as
possible.
B
Okay,
any
any
closing
comments
or
from
anyone
or
otherwise
I'd
love
to
adjourn
by
11
15.
Only
30
minutes
late.
C
Yeah
I'd
just
like
to
note
that,
in
my
opinion,
officer
elections
should
be
held
at
the
first
meeting
of
any
new
appointments
which
would
which
we
will
not
have
this
year,
but
in
the
future
would
be
in
February,
because
the
council
would
make
new
appointments
in
January
and
I
feel
like
those
people
should
be
seated
so
just
to
keep
us
on
schedule.
For
next
year.
C
B
Good,
all
in
favor
log
off
and
we'll
talk
to
you
later.
Thank
you.