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From YouTube: Affordable Housing Advisory Committee – January 5, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Affordable Housing Advisory Committee.
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A
Hello,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
January
5th
2023
meeting
of
the
Asheville
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
calling
meeting
to
order
I'm
going
to
do
a
roll
call
vote
of
our
members
that
are
here.
Margie.
A
I
A
A
And
I'm
chairman
here
see
first
up
on
our
agenda
is
the
approval
of
our
minutes
from
our
December
meeting,
as
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
them.
So
do
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
motion.
A
Thank
you
so
much
next
up,
so
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
set
in
an
election
or
chair
and
vice
chair
for
our
next
meeting,
currently
I'm
serving
as
chair
Margie
serving
as
Vice
chair,
and
we
had
some
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
about
those
who
may
be
interested
so
I,
don't
know
if
there's
actual
like
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
actually
formal
process
other
than
do
we
want.
Is
there
any?
Is
there
anyone
I
guess?
F
That's
one
way
to
do
it
or
you
could.
If
there's,
if
there's.
F
Knows
they're
definitely
not
going
to
serve
yeah
cancer
or
won't
Whatever
yeah
they're,
definitely
not
putting
themselves
up,
they
could
volunteer
to
take
not
take
nominations
and
in
the
next
month
you
know
over
the
next
few
weeks,
people
can
think
about
it
and
submit
their
name.
A
Yeah
this
one
basically
I
first,
would
want
to
see
who
is
interested.
Who,
who
has
interest
in
leadership
roles?
That
way,
then?
Maybe
we
can
have
a
discussion
of
how
that
might
look,
because
traditionally
you
know
traditionally
a
lot
of
these
times
like
the
vice
chair,
would
move
into
the
chair
role.
Margie
has
concerns
about
the
time
you
know
just
the
time
convince
you'll
have
with
work,
so
so
some
of
the
like
the
normal
Paces,
the
normal
process,
might
not
be
there.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
we've
had
some
discussion
at
the
last
meeting.
You
know
Paul
was
remote
present,
but
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
you
know,
get
an
idea
first
like
who
has
interest
that
way.
We
can
then
figure
out
what
process
and
whether
it
looks
like
a
chair
whether
it's
co-chairs,
Vice
chairs,
chairs,
three
people
so
I
think
seeing
who
has
interest
in
it
would
be
helpful.
So
we
can
figure
out
next
steps.
A
A
J
A
Don't
think
she
I
met
with
Bob's,
you
did
yeah
yeah
I
mean
I.
Can
let
her
speak
she's,
not
here,
but
I
think
she's
she's
concerned
about
her
time
because,
like
she
might
have
some
travel
coming
up
that
she's
concerned
about
time.
Commitments
is
what
she
shared
with
me
when
we
met
so
okay.
A
J
A
Next
up,
we
have
presentation
on
the
agenda
from
the
land
of
Sky,
Associates
and
Realtors
from
their
affordable
housing
committee,
presentation
and
I'll.
Let
you
so
Athena.
Are
you
gonna,
okay,
come
up
and
share
what
you
all
have
been
doing.
K
Hello,
my
name
is
Athena
digerd
I
am
the
chair
of
the
affordable
housing
committee,
Atlanta
of
the
sky,
Association
of
Realtors.
We've
been
really
trying
to
work
on
kind
of
creating
more
presence
and
being
more
available
and
connecting
people
in
the
area
with
resources
they
need
around
housing
in
general
and
especially
in
the
vein
of
affordable
housing.
A
lot
of
the
things
we
do,
we
do
on
a
regular,
ongoing
yearly
basis.
We
may
targeted
gifts
to
local
organizations
that
work
in
the
field
of
affordable
housing.
K
We
try
and
have
volunteer
days
with
heart
and
Hammer
Western
North
Carolina,
our
Mountain
housing,
our
habitat,
as
often
as
we
can
those
this
past
year.
Those
opportunities
have
been
kind
of
few
and
far
between.
K
We've
also
created
a
partnership
with
Thrive
Asheville
and
their
landlord
tenant
partnership,
which
I'm
sure
you're
all
familiar
with
and
trying
to
help
connect
landlords
with
folks
who
are
in
need
of
federal
housing
monies
so
that
you
know
we
have
more
options,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
more
landlords
who
have
properties
to
join
in
these
Partnerships
and
create
some
more
affordable
inventory,
because
we're
so
low
on
inventory
and
affordable,
inventory
and
inventory
that's
accessible
to
people
who
have
housing.
Choice
vouchers
is
scarily
scarily
low.
K
In
that
inventory,
we
are
working
on
some
things
that
we
feel
like
can
go
a
long
way.
We
have
in
the
past,
also
done
our
annual
housing
Fair,
which
was
kind
of
re-resurrected
postcovid.
This
year
we
had
about
30
different
Community
organizations
that
were
there
to
share
information
about
their
programs
and,
along
with
that,
we
also
had
updated
our
2022,
affordable
housing
guide,
which
we
have
available
digitally
as
well
as
physical
copies
in
both
English
and
Spanish.
K
K
K
K
That
is
gonna,
be
something
along
the
lines
of
like
affordablewnc.com
or
something
like
that
that
we
can
have
these
housing
guides
available
that
we
can
have
a
year-round
resource
that
people
can
just
go
to,
and
initially
we
had
Zach
Penland,
who
is
one
of
our
members,
creating
kind
of
a
housing
road
map?
And
when
we
all
came
together.
K
This
last
meeting
we
said
but
getting
into
housing
is
not
always
linear
and
we
can't
make
the
assumption
that
someone's
goal
is
homeownership
when
right
now,
they're
just
trying
to
find
a
stable,
supportive
place
to
live
or
they're
trying
to
fix
their
credit
or
they're
dealing
with
things
like
recovery
or
Justice
involvement,
and
so
we're
working
really
hard
right
now
to
kind
of
Define.
K
We
can
point
them
there
and,
depending
on
what
the
situation
is,
we're
giving
them
the
resources
they
need
and
the
places
they
need
to
call
and
the
people
they
need
to
contact
to
meet
those
needs
and
yeah,
so
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
really
good
thing.
We
did
discuss
also,
potentially
aside
from
just
having
that
digital
presence
trying
to
get
information
out
and
have
it,
maybe
as
a
resource
available
when
people
call
2-1-1
that
they
kind
of
already
have.
K
You
know
a
pool
of
different
resources
for
different
things
and,
and
it's
a
place
that
hopefully
we
can
drive
people
there,
and
it
also
serves
as
a
really
good
would
serve
as
a
great
resources
for
landlords
that
are
trying
to
get
involved
so
that
they
know
the
organizations
to
reach
out
to
to
find
out
about
landlord-tenant
law
or
partnership
programs
and
really
kind
of
meet
all
of
those
needs.
K
My
friend,
Tommy
back
here
is
going
to
start
working
aside
from
just
having
the
one
housing
Fair
per
year,
we're
considering
doing
quarterly
workshops
that
come
to
local
community
centers,
and
things
like
that,
so
that
we
can
give
education
around
Financial,
Health
and
renters
rights
and
the
home
buying
process
and
credit,
and
all
of
these
different
things
that
people
need
and
they're
not
having
to
wait
and
so
we're
hoping
to
create
some
Partnerships
with
the
city
and
maybe
community
centers,
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
have
some
of
these
topics
covered
with
folks
on
a
more
regular
basis.
K
We
have
debated
and
I,
don't
know
where
we're
going
on
this,
maybe
creating
some
sort
of
middle
or
High
School
level.
Financial
education,
Workshop
we've
had
recently
Junior,
Achievement
and
and
Mad
City
money
and
different
programs
that
have
happened
in
the
past.
That
just
really
don't
happen
anymore
and
I
feel
like
if,
if
we're
sending
young
people
out
into
the
world,
whether
they're,
College,
Bound
or
not,
there
are
certain
skills
that
I
you
know
financially.
K
It
helps
people
to
know
about.
I've
got
my
own
just
grown
kids
that
you
know
they're
faced
with
a
20-page
lease
and
they're
like
really
like.
Can
they
really
just
kick
me
out
for
this,
or
they
can
blame
me
for
this,
and
a
lot
of
leases
are
so
favorable
toward
landlords
that
they
really
are
scary
to
young
people
who
haven't
had
any
connection
with
this
type
of
decision
making,
so
I
feel
like
being
able
to
get
people
educated.
Earlier
is
a
great
thing.
K
We
have
David
Goldstein
coming
March
3rd
and
he's
with
he's
a
representative
of
the
joint
ownership
entity,
which
is
a
new
york-based
Housing
Coalition,
and
we
were
thinking
that
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
resources
here,
but
we
don't
really
have
a
coalition
of
all
those
resources
so
that
the
right
hand
knows
what
the
left
is
doing
and
if
we
can
get
a
coalition
together
that
we
have
all
of
our
organizations
coming
and
pitching
in
and
knowing
who
does?
K
What
and
being
able
to
have
those
collaborative
relationships
that,
hopefully
we
can
get
more
done,
and
it's
not
individual
organizations
or
committees
governmentally
that
that
are
kind
of
doing
their
own
thing.
And
maybe
we
can
get
more
done
if
we
are
finding
a
way
to
work
as
a
team
rather
than
everybody
just
focusing
from
their
own
perspective
and
I.
Think
the
last
thing
is
we
previously
before
covid,
we
were
the
only
secular
organization
to
take
part
in
room
in
the
end.
K
Every
year,
through
Homeward
Bound,
we
very
much
enjoyed
that
work
and
being
able
to
kind
of
take
some
of
the
load
off
of
our
local
churches
during
the
holiday
season,
and
we
would
have
the
women
for
room
in
the
end.
For
a
week,
the
week
of
Christmas
with
covid.
That
program
has
gone
away.
We
don't
think
it'll
come
back,
but
there
are
three
churches
that
have
started
what
they're
calling
the
Asheville
ecumenical
shelter.
That
right
now
is
three
churches.
K
They're
holding
they've
got
their
unhoused
clientele
for
a
month
at
a
time,
and
we
have
reached
out
to
them
to
see
if
we
can
partner
them
with
them
again
at
Christmas
time
and
be
able
to
take
some
of
that
burden
off
of
them
and
to
work
with
them
as
they
try
to
go
from
being
a
three
Church
three
month
out
of
the
year
event
or
organization
to
potentially
stretching
that
out
for
the
full
year
and
helping
them
to
meet
some
of
those
goals.
So
I
don't
know
any
questions.
A
Couple
couple
questions
I
know:
there's
been
you
know:
we've
had
some
discussion
outside
of
this
about
the
board
of
realtors
starting
kind
of
the
affordable
housing
designation
and
maybe
a
CE
class
for
realtors
about
that
I
just
want
to
kind
of
see.
If
you
can
speak
about.
What's
going
on
with
that
and
then
also
we're,
you
know
where
we
can
support
that
with
maybe
some
content
you.
K
Know
I,
that's
something
that
I
personally
feel
would
be
a
really
great
thing
and
I'd
probably
be
the
first
person
to
sign
up
to
do
it,
because
this
affordable
housing
is
a
passion
of
mine
and
something
that
I
have
been
personally
affected
by
and
affordable.
K
Housing
has
been
life-changing
for
me,
I
feel
like
it
is
a
wonderful
idea
and
we
have
a
Workforce
housing
specialist
designation,
that's
sponsored
by
that's
a
Statewide
certification,
and
it
has
a
lot
of
those
the
the
components
of
knowing
about
special
types
of
financing
and
affordable
housing
options,
and
things
like
that.
K
A
Yeah
is
there
a
way
to,
and
is
that
like,
because
that
hasn't
necessarily
been
active
in
this
market
for
a
while?
Is
that
right?
That
designation
is
there?
Is
there
there
might
be
a
way,
maybe
to
expand
on
that
designation
to
include
more
encompassing
housing
and
then
see
how
we
can
support
that,
because
you
know
I
know
in
some
of
our
discussions,
there's
the
helping
for
affordable
housing,
but
then
there's
also
the
how
to
how
how
Brokers
and
Realtors
can
help
with
investor
buyers.
A
J
A
Affordable
housing
and
how
there's
some
training
from
that
to
understand?
Is
there
so
many
programs
that
the
city
has
and
that
the
state
has
that?
Maybe
we
can
help
connect
in
that
for
more
investment
buyers,
but
but
anyway,
I
just
wanna
I
appreciate
the
dialogue
to
connect
in
and
then
we
would.
J
K
K
And
I
think
there's
definitely
value
to
anyone
who
has
kind
of
that
Statewide
designation
to
kind
of
dig
more
in
locally
to
what
the
the
city
and
county
incentive
incentives
are
and
what
resources
we
have
available
for
both
for
ourselves
and
our
clients
and
investors
and
landlords.
But
I
don't
really
have
a
Clear
Vision
right
now
of
what
that
could.
Maybe
look
like.
K
It's
available
on
the
North
Carolina
level,
I,
don't
I
mean
I,
could
probably
I
know
who
to
contact
to
get
that
list.
But
yes,
it
is,
it
is
attainable.
Actually,
if
you
go
to
maybe
NC
Realtors,
you
can
search
for
an
agent
and
you
can
specifically
search
agents
with
certain
designations
and
certifications.
K
K
A
K
Okay,
he
helped
form
the
organization
ownership
entity.
I
I
had
a
question
about
the
the
response
that
you're
seeing
to
to
the
affordable
housing
guide.
I
I
feel,
like
he's,
spend
a
lot
of
time.
Thinking
about
you
know
how
well
the.
K
K
K
This
thing,
I
think
one
of
the
benefits
to
it
is
and
I
know
these
units
are
scarce,
but
a
lot
of
folks
don't
even
realize
that
there
are
say
apartment
complexes
that
when
they're
built
you
know
they're
as
part
of
their
zoning,
they
have
to
have
so
many
affordable
units
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
that
hey
this
really
nice
apartment
complex
over
here,
that's
way
too
expensive
for
me
to
live
in,
but
they
have
affordable
units
and
people
just
don't
know
about
them,
and
they
don't
know
that
you
can
call
and
say:
hey.
H
H
H
K
Yeah
I
feel
like
we
wanted
to
kind
of
change
that
format
this
year,
but
with
some
of
the
Staffing
changes
at
the
city
like
it
was
not,
we
didn't
get.
We
weren't
able
to
get
that
done
this
year,
but
we're
hoping
that
for
2023
we
can
get
that
expanded
and
I.
Think
part
of
the
benefit
of
that
is
that
people
who
very
often
feel
like
they're
in
a
hopeless
situation,
and
there
aren't
options.
K
There
are
organizations
and
people
and
and
our
government
entities
that
really
are
trying
to
figure
out
some
answers
for
these
issues
that
are
very
complex
and
having
been
in
that
place
before
of
not
knowing
what
the
options
were
or
if
there
were
safe,
affordable
places
to
have
my
family
just
knowing
and
finding
out
that
those
resources
were
there
and
that
people
and
organizations
were
trying,
and
they
cared
like
that
in
itself.
Just
kind
of
goes
a
long
way
to
know
that
things
are
really.
H
Have
you
thought
about
maybe
I'm
doing
a
different
type
of
flyer?
What
we
have
discuss
many
times
on
this
committee
is
that
you
know
there's
resources
for
certain
levels,
but
the
working
class
yeah.
Those
of
us
who
work
but
are
over
the
income
for
affordable
housing.
H
The
income
is
succeed,
we
need
those,
we
need
some
yeah
resources
forward,
we're
working
yeah.
K
K
It's
not
a
gap,
it's
not
a
falling
through
the
Gap,
it's
a
Chasm
and
it
takes
a
lot
to
get
from
one
side
of
that
to
the
other,
and
you
know,
I
I
feel
like
the
work.
The
whole
working
class
kind
of
that
is
that
missing
middle
type
situation,
that
kind
of
gets
overlooked
because
kind
of
the
same
thing
with
like
the
need
for
deeply
deeply
affordable
housing
in
terms
of
the
unhoused,
like
that's
a
whole
different
animal
from
Workforce
stuff.
That
has
to
be
approached
in
a
completely
different
way.
G
K
K
G
To
have
them
report
on
the
affordable
unit
to
find
affordable,
we
could
make
it
up
to
you
know
you
know
110
or
20
percent
of
median
income,
and
so
that
we
could,
you
know,
get
a
sense
for.
What's
out
there
in
inventory,
which
is
one
of
the
missing
pieces.
We
have
for
tracking
affordability,
I.
Think
as
a
community
is
just
knowing
you
know,
if
I
need
a
two-bedroom
unit,
how
many
are
available
today,
yeah.
J
K
I
think
another
similar
problem
is
that
in
this
area,
property
managers
don't
use
the
MLS
for
rentals
at
all
I.
You
know:
I've
got
two
adult
children
that
both
lived
in
Charlotte
at
one
point
and
I
could
hop
on
the
MLS,
because
we
share
the
same
system
and
send
them
hundreds
of
listings
of
rentals
and
because
our
inventory
is
so
low
here
and
because
most
property
managers
can
just
rent
them
out
on
Word
of
Mouth
to
whoever's
moving
out
hey.
K
Do
you
have
a
friend
that
wants
this
apartment
like
it
never
even
gets
out
to
a
lot
of
properties,
just
don't
even
get
out
to
the
general
public,
because
we
don't
use
the
MLS
in
that
way
in
this
area.
So
that's
kind
of
another
downfall
that
people
come
to
me
to
look
for
rentals,
and
the
best
I
can
do
is
give
them
an
email
attempt
that
I
have
that's,
got
like
30
or
40
different
property
management
companies
on
there,
because
we
don't
use
our
MLS
as
a
centralized
location
for
for
available.
Rentals
is.
K
A
necessary
tool-
and
it's
just
extra
work
in
this
particular
area,
because
a
lot
of
places
can
just
be
filled
by
word
of
mouth
so
and
I,
expend
the
time,
money
and
energy
to
advertise
and
and
do
MLS
inputs.
When
they've
got
people
knocking
down
the
door
just
trying
to
get
into
a
place.
E
K
A
Estate
brokers
are
trained
for
real
estate
sales,
so
that's
really
trained
for
real
estate
rentals,
where,
in
other
larger
markets,
there's
firms
that
are
trained
for
real
estate,
rentals
and
I.
Wonder
if
that's
something
that
you
know
y'all
can
look
at
opening
up
like
we're,
because
I've
never
really
seen
any
of
the
brokerages
recruiting
for
leasing
agents,
but
I
wonder
if
that,
like
you're
helping
to
get
the
people,
would
then
get
more
landlords
involved.
K
D
F
J
F
A
K
K
K
H
K
H
If
you
do
do
an
application,
do
that
background
check
once
you
pass
the
background
check,
then
you
go
to
tell
if
you
don't
stop
that
process.
K
And
again
that
comes
into
kind
of
our
trying
to
bring
in
Justice
and
involved
folks
and
Recovery
folks
that
are
in
recovery,
because
there
are
some
special
needs
along
those
lines.
That
I
mean
honestly.
For
me,
I've
known
was
a
thing,
but
recently
has
kind
of
come
a
little
more
to
the
Forefront
of.
We
need
to
make
sure
to
include
these
populations
because
they
do
have
a
separate
set
of
needs.
J
A
Thing
and
one
other
thing,
I
thought
when,
when
you
were
talking
about
maybe
doing
some
quarterly
workshops,
if
it
gets
to
that
you
know,
we
should
have
some
discussion
right
before
covid.
Our
committee
was
talking
about
how
we
would
like,
maybe
once
a
quarter
our
meetings
to
be
more
evening
meetings
and
be
out
in
you
know,
maybe
in
a
Housing
Authority
meeting
space.
So
it's
so
we
can
access
it.
J
A
Right,
I'll
be
so
sobering,
even
for
one
in
the
beer
business
all
right.
Next,
up
on
agenda,
we've
got
our
work
plan
and
parties
discussion.
We
have
a
document
that
shared
that
kind
of
is
sorry.
My
Chromebook
just
signed
out
so.
A
But
I
think
because
I
didn't
print
that
one
but
I
think
you.
You
had
shared
your
kind.
F
Right,
so
it's
a
retreat.
We
talked
a
little
bit
around,
maybe
directly
about
this
topic
of
you
know
the
purview
of
ahac.
What
you're
working
on
the
next
agenda
item
is
your
annual
report
to
city
council
and
part
of
that
report
is
two
things.
What
are
your
recommendation
policy
recommendations
to
counsel
two?
What
are
you
planning
on
working
on
for
the
next
year?
F
So
Barry
and
I
discussed
this
and
thought
this
discussion
made
sense
first
and
in
your
Chromebooks
Andy
sent
me
just
this
morning,
like
a
draft
suggested
work
plan
which
is
awesome,
so
we
could
even
use
that
to
help
our
discussion
and
I
dropped
it
into
your
materials
folder,
which
you
can
access
from
these
Chromebooks
I
could
pull
it
up
on
the
screen,
or
we
could
talk
about
this
in
general.
F
F
What
we're
planning
on
working
on,
which
is
you
know
if
I,
were
going
to
quickly
summarize
it's
Luigi
policy
revisions,
looking
it
up
or
working
on
an
update
to
our
affordable
housing
plan,
and
that
may
include
hiring
a
consultant
to
kind
of
re.
You
know
two
parts
update
our
data,
our
housing
needs
assessment.
You
know
all
these
numbers
we
keep
talking
about.
We
haven't
done
that
for
over
two
years
for
the
city
and
then
really
working
with
the
community
to
focus
on
like
what
are
your
top
strategies?
F
Are
there
things
we're
missing
out
on
here
in
Asheville
that
we
should
be
doing
that
are
best
practices?
And
what
have
we
done?
That's
worked
well,
so
there's
kind
of
an
evaluation
data,
Gathering
evaluation
and
where,
where
do
we
go
from
here,
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
scoring
thing
Andy
included
in
his
Matrix
his
table
I'll
say
also
something
I
think
that
you
know
I
feel
like
luige
is
the
next
thing
coming
and
then
the
affordable
in
the
affordable
housing
plan
trying
to
remember
what
else
was
there.
A
F
A
Okay,
so
whatever
you
know
one
of
our
thoughts
on
this,
there
is
the
the
staff
work
plan
that
was
in
there
for
the
year
and
I
thought
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
look
at
kind
of
our
single
lines
with
where
they
need
input
that
we
can
align
ours
with
theirs
and
see.
Documents
are
coming
up
and
then
Andy.
What
I'll
probably
do
is
since
you've
sent
the
document
over
and
we're
all
trying
to
pull
it
up.
Oh
maybe
I'll.
Let
you
leave
and
kind
of
share
like
your
thoughts
of
where
you
came
up.
A
I
A
I
Sorry
for
getting
this
out
so.
I
Working
on
it,
right
after
we
had
our
retreat
with,
while
all
of
the
all
of
our
great
thoughts
were
fresh
in
our
mind
and
then
it
got
into
you
know
a
place
that
things
go,
that
aren't
your
regular
work
holiday
season.
So
I
tried
to
go
back
and
revisit.
K
I
I
This
is
a
just
just
a
obviously
not
fleshed
out,
but
a
work
planning
tool
that
I've
used
that
just
kind
of
laid
out
who's
responsible
for
things
when
it
needs
to
start,
and
it
needs
to
be
done
where
it
is
that
we
might
use
to
track
the
things
that
we're
doing
I
didn't
sequence,
any
of
these
any
of
the
the
projects
or
tasks,
but
I
do
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
sync
those
up
with
the
timelines
that
are
in
the
CD
staff
work
plan
for
the
year,
so
that
we,
you
know
we're
making
sure
that
we're
doing
things
in
a
timely
way.
I
But
I
I
took
the
large
projects
that
we
were,
that
we
identified
in
our
Retreat
and
and
then
also
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
kicking
around
for
a
while
and
and
started
going
through
those
projects
and
breaking
them
down
into
like
okay.
Well,
what
actually
needs
to
happen
for
us
to
move
these
things
forward
in
one
way
or
the
other,
so
those
the
large
projects
being
looking
at
the
scoring
on
the
Housing
Trust
Fund?
J
K
I
Good
job
of
gathering
you
know
performing
our
role
of
gathering
Community
input
to
the
staff's
work
around
the
Luigi
policy,
updating
the
affordable
housing
strategies
in
2008
housing
plan,
City
on
land
and
kind
of
the
land
disposition
policy,
and
also
some
of
the
active
city-owned
sites
that
were
discussed
at
our
Retreat.
And
then
we've
been
working
for
a
while
on
kind.
I
Edges
of
easing
zoning
restrictions
around
mobile
homes
and
developing,
if
we
can't
use
it
if
we
can't
use
federal
funds
for
mobile
home
repair,
finding
a
way
to
fund
mobile
home
repair
at
the
local
level
launching
or
relaunching
reimagining
the
the
stalled
DPA
program
document
assistance
program,
I
think
the
work
that
the
build
committee
has
been
doing
kind
of
stress
testing
is
my
term.
I
For
you
know
the
regulatory
barriers
to
affordable
housing
is
kind
of
working
through
the
permit
process
system,
the
Regulatory
and
entitlement
you
know
process
and
making
sure
that
we
know
where
the
pain
points
are
for
developers
and
for
for
City
staff
and
then
for
a
while.
It's
been
on
our
list
to
do
something
you
know
to
try
to
tailor
affordable
housing
production
incentives
that
work
for
smaller
developers
and
smaller
landlords,
and
then
the
the
piece
that
came
up
again.
J
I
Retreat
around
the
MSD
and
their
ability
to
expand
service
within
the
city
limits
and
just
figuring
out
a
way
to
take
some
take
some
action
on
that
so
you're
working
through
our
our
existing
representation
as
a
city
on
the
MSD
board,
or
actually
open
seeds
on
the
MSD
board,
advocating
for
some
sort
of
affordable
housing
Focus
within
that
within
that
decision-making
body.
So
these
were
things
that
I
felt
like
we.
I
You
know
we
have
talked
about,
or
we
talked
about
in
our
Retreat
as
as
projects
that
this
committee
would
like
to
take
on
that
felt
like
they
were
within
our
purview
and
then,
like
I,
said,
the
the
things
that
aren't
in
bold
on
this
sheet
were
just
me
trying
to
plug
in
the
things
that
we
discussed
or
things
that
seem
like
logical
tasks
that
led
up
to
the
completion
of
those
projects,
and
obviously
you
can
see
where
I
you
know
fleshed
out
some
of
the
early
ones
in
more
detail
than
I
fleshed
out
some
of
the
later
ones.
I
But
you
know
that's
that
we
can
continue
to
refine
this
at
the
task
force
level.
D
Barry
I'd
like
to
add
one
thing,
as
you
may
reference
the
last
item
you
had
on
here
back
in
November
the
city
as
they
always
do
as
we
all
applied
for
applications
for
this
board.
The
city
announced
and
had
listed
out
the
MSD
MSD
role
as
one
and
so
just
before
the
end
of
the
year,
I
applied
and
ref
reflected
in
my
application.
That
I
was
a
member
of
ahec
with
the
intention
of
bringing
to
light
in
in
that
position.
A
That
particular
note
that
you
went
in
your
work
plan
it
you
mentioned
I
was
going
to
bring
it
as
when
we
do
our
build
test.
Of
course,
updates.
We
will
discuss
this
and
I've
actually
prepared
a
draft
motion
for
us
to
recommend
his
appointment
to
it,
but
but
we'll
we'll
get
to
that.
But
yeah,
it's
I,
think
Christopher
for
it's
an
interesting,
proactive,
yeah,
yeah
and
I'll.
Explain
it
later
like
it's
it's
why?
Why
hey
thinks.
F
I
make
a
suggestion,
or
a
thought
here
is
that
with
the
one
here
around
the
stress
test,
regulatory
burial
barriers-
and
maybe
incentives-
is
that,
with
this
missing
middle
study,
that's
happening
that
you
all
one
of
your
goals
here
could
be
being
an
active
participant
in
that
study,
and
that
may
accomplish
some
of
these
things.
A
I
have
a
couple
questions
that,
because
I
think
it
will
help
the
to
understand
because
I
looked
at,
you
know
basically
I
look
thinking
of
like
what
our
flow
is
and
from
Andy's
list
and
then
from
the
staff's
list.
Can
you
just
share
a
little
bit
of
the
timelines
for
when
what
is
up
with
the
missing
middle?
What
are
the
due
dates
on
that
and
then
also
from
our
you
know,
I
know
from
our
last
meeting
every
things
went
to
HD
things
went
to
council,
so
there
is
currently
a
deadline
set
for
applications
for.
A
F
Meetings
well,
I,
think
missing.
Middle
I
think
the
project
manager,
who's
vadillas
Africa
is
negotiating
right
now
with
our
Top
Choice
consultant
when
they
negotiate
that
contract
and
have
a
signed
agreement,
they'll
announce
who
that
is
and
then
maybe
start
releasing
some
general
timelines
I
think
that's
going
to
take
about
a
year
really
to
do
that.
Full
study.
It's
not
a
quick
one
and
done
you
know
it's
not
a
quick
three-month
thing
or
anything.
It
could
be
less
I,
don't
know,
but
it'll
be
during
2023
and
maybe
into
a
little
bit
of
24.
A
F
We
interviewed
yeah
I
was
on
the
selection
panel.
We
interviewed
Consultants,
okay,
so
we're
negotiating
with
our
Top
Choice.
Okay,.
F
I
F
A
A
But
maybe
next
time,
maybe
if
that
deadline
has
passed,
then
maybe
we
could
have
a
Dilla
Maybe
you've
been
kind
of
giving
up
just
a
little
update
of
like
look
who
that
would
have
been
nice
to
just
nice
to
know
like
hey
there's.
We
may
have
asked
to
be
on
the
selection
committee
or
something
like
maybe.
E
J
A
If
we
been
involved-
and
we
may
have
been
asked
for
some
guidelines
on
this-
since
it
does
affect
so
much
of
what
we
do
but
for
next
meeting
and
then
I
do
and
I
did
hear
like
that,
Department's
about
to
go
through
a
change.
F
Right
so
I
guess
yeah
I'll
do
some
staff
updates
and
some
talking
but
yeah,
Taro
kolachini
is
leaving
the
city
this
month
and
he's
going
to
Nashville
where
he
will
be
the
deputy
director
of
their
planning
department.
F
So
his
last
day,
officially
is
the
27th,
but
last
real
day
is
the
20th
so
that
that
is
a
change
but
they've
actually
been
Staffing
up.
They
have
a
new
long-range
planner
who
took
my
place
Canada
to
show
me
to
Shoma
sorry
Kanda
tashoma,
and
they
have
a
new
business
services.
F
Person,
Jamie,
Allen,
who's
local
actually
grew
up
here
and
then
David
Hazard
has
moved
back
into
his
into
Urban
Design
they're
back
from
capital
projects,
and
then
they
have
a
couple
more
people,
they're
hiring
so
they're
almost
fully
you
know,
but
now,
but
now
Todd's
leaving.
But
it's
actually
Staffing
up
much
so
they're
a
little
bit
more
enforced.
Now.
F
D
F
Yeah
so
Ben's
pulled
back
from
DSD
Mark's
moved
up
and
yeah
Housing
Trust
Fund.
Yes,
we
did
open
that
up.
H
F
J
F
Been
for
this
cycle,
we
may
do
a
second
cycle
later
in
the
year.
We
have
that
option.
We
took
your
advice
and
said:
okay,
everybody
needs
to
do
an
early
assistance
meeting
and
I'm
going
to
send
out
a
reminder
to
people,
because
you
could.
F
Now,
right
and
I
mean
I
think
we'll
have
applicants.
Who've
already
got
their
zoning
in
place
too.
So
but
yeah
we
put
it.
We
changed
the
application
form
it's
on
form
site,
which
is
like
our
cdbg
home
applications.
I
think
it
looks
good
made
all
the
changes
we
discussed
and
Council
passed
on
December
13th.
That
was.
F
F
Not
changing
anything
rules
but
just
get
it
online.
So
it's
a
little
bit
easier
for
staff.
A
A
February
10th
is
not
that
far
away,
and
what
can
we
and
I
have
not
like
I'm
asking
about
it
with
like
the
Hat
of
a
chair
of
a
committee
and
as
a
developer
and
I
have
not
really
seen
it
like
put
out
there
in
the
public
that
much
what
so
I'm
just
saying,
I
think
what
can
we
do
in?
You
know
us
as
a
committee
and
then
what
can
the
city
do?
A
F
A
K
A
Are
like
some
really
big
things
and
I
honestly
only
know
about
the
planning
director
leaving
because
I
built
this
house,
and
he
asked
me
if
I
could
help
him
find
the
trim
that
was
put
in
the
house
years
ago,
because
the
dog
has
eaten
it.
So
that's
like
that's
the
only
way.
I
know
that
it's
a
planning
director,
the
City
of
Ash,
was
leaving
because.
A
F
F
A
Yeah
sorry
I'm
just
a
bigger
thing,
I'm
trying
to
think
like
especially
coming
off
of
poor
communication
like
how
do
we?
How
is
we,
as
the
city
get
like?
These-
are
some
pretty
big
information
pieces
and
how
do
we
make
sure
that
this
stuff
gets
out,
especially
those
of
us
who
are
strong
Advocates?
That
can
help
get
the
word
around
and
roll
being
filled,
but
those
are
like
planning
director
development,
development
services,
director
zoning
manager,
assistant,
City
matters.
There's
big
seats
have
interim
so.
F
Well,
I
will
definitely
send
you
all
a
thing
about
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
and
if
you
can
pass
it
along
to
people,
you
think
are
interested
that'd
be
great.
I
do
tend
to
think
we
do
know
of
at
least
three
four
applications
out
there.
You
know
we
know
some
people
who
are
planning
on
applying,
and
so
those
tend
to
be
the
bigger
developments
that
you
know.
G
A
D
A
Just
thinking,
if
like
they
would,
if
it
would
make
sense
to
put
together
to
put
the
word
out
like
a
quick
before
the
application
deadline,
almost
like
a
workshop
like
a
a
real,
quick
Workshop
of
how
to
submit
a
Housing
Trust
Fund
application,
because
these
are
especially
with
the
new
changes
like
it
feels
like.
A
We
kind
of
put
the
information
out
like
city
council
approved
some
stuff,
but
I
haven't
seen
much
information
come
out
to
the
public
and
those
and
I
wonder
if
it
would
be
valuable
to
have
the
same
way
like
an
RF
like
an
RFP
might
have
a
meeting
ahead
to
discuss
the
scope
of
it.
If
we
might
be
able
to
put
together
a
quick
informational
meeting
about
well
these.
This
is
what
this
is,
how
I
housing
you
know.
This
is
some
big
changes.
A
F
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
do
something
we
could
do
something
in
January,
I,
don't
I,
maybe
I'm
in
the
weeds
I,
don't
feel
like
the
changes.
Are
that
big?
We
actually
made
it
more
flexible
for
a
lot
of
in
a
lot
of
ways
for
people
I
think
the
only
new
requirement
is
the
early
assistance
and
the
only
other
big
change
is
there's
a
deadline.
It's
not
a
rolling
basis
thing.
So
yeah.
F
A
Think
it
helps
that
also
like
if
like,
if
we
say
hey,
we
think
this
is
a
good
like
I
mean
this
is
an
example
of
this.
This
is
a
good
thing.
We,
as
a
committee,
think
it
might
be
good
to
have
this
meeting
ahead,
having
been
in
the
weeds
of
some
of
this
process
and
knowing
that
there
are
changes.
How
do
we
get
the
word
out
and
then,
as
we
have
attention
of
you,
know,
for
a
meeting
like
this
having
and
for
this
as
an
HTT
to
have
so
many
attention
of
different
media?
A
Who
can
help
get
the
word
out
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
say:
hey
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
have
a
Housing
Trust
Fund
application,
Workshop
sometime
in
January,
you
know
I,
think
there'll
be
value
in
that
and
I
don't
know
if
like
if
the
next
step
is
like,
we,
we,
as
a
committee
likes
make
a
recommendation
that
there
should
be
I
mean.
Is
that
I'm
just
trying
to
think
like
what
do
we
need
I.
A
Okay,
but
yeah
right,
but
that's
kind
of
it,
doesn't
need
to
be
that
form
of
what
we're
saying.
That's
kind
of
some
in
some
ways.
That's
the
only
time
our
that's
the
only
way
a
voice,
a
collective
voice
of
our
committee
gets
heard.
If
we
make
a
motion,
so
I
don't
want
to
you
know,
I,
don't
think
it
really
needs
to
make
a
motion,
but
we're
I
think
it.
It
feels
like
there's
some
collective,
like
important,
saying
that
imperativeness
to
getting
worn
out
before
that
deadline.
F
A
F
And
maybe
I
can
also
ask
the
DSD
to
spread
the
word
along
there,
because
I
do
have
a
serve
of
I
think
they
have
some
kind
of
mailing
list
down
there,
not
a
listserv,
but
they
do
have
a
mailing
list.
In
addition,
and
I
did
on
the
website,
try
to
make
sure
like
the
presentation
we
gave
to
council
that
outlines,
the
changes
is
up
like
hey.
We
made
these
changes.
Look
at
this
presentation.
You
know
if
you
want
to
know
what
the
changes
are,
so
we
did
definitely
on
the
web
pages
themselves.
F
A
Okay,
so
knowing
back,
you
know
kind
of
back
with,
they
say
the
work,
your
work
plan
and
what
the
work
plan
that
that
Andy's
kind
of
helped
draft
of
the
timeliness
that
we
say
there's
this
missing
middle
at
least
conversation
of
who's
going
to
get
this
and
then
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
applications
will
be
coming
in
in
about
a
month
and
a
half
How.
Would
how
would
any
of
the?
A
How
do
how
do
the
needs
align
with,
because
when
those
applications
come
in,
that's
a
good
time
to
then
review
if
the
policies
really
work
for
if
the
policies
are
working
based
on
real
life,
applications
coming
in
so
I'm
just
trying
to
think
how
do
we?
How
can
we
look
at
put
one
of
the
items
like
one
of
the
reviewing
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
policy
in
as
a
timeline
based
on
once
we
get
the
applications
in
so
we
can
then
see
how
they
work
real
time.
J
F
I
G
E
B
G
F
A
Okay,
how
would
you
sue
the
order
I'm
just
looking
at
this.
F
So
let
me
let
me
just
like,
since
we're
on
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
topic
continue
a
little
just
to
lay
that
out
for
you
all,
so
we
get
applications
in
February,
10,
10.
staff
will
start.
You
know
collecting
that
and
looking
at
it
evaluating
that,
and
then
we
will
we'll
give
like
a
very
high
high
level
summary
to
hcd
their
meeting
in
February.
This
is
what
came
in
March
at
hcd.
We
will
present
those
applications
to
them
information.
Only
just
like
get
acquainted
with
these
applications
understand
the
asks.
What
are
your
questions?
F
Hcd
like
really
discuss
it
and
let
them
think
about
it
and
then
at
the
April
meeting,
bring
back
a
staff
recommendation
on
the
applications
and
awards
where
they
would
vote
and
then
the
idea
is
then
go
to
count.
The
next
council
meeting
so
by
the
end
of
April.
We
have
awards
that
are
in
time
for
the
tax,
credit
deadlines
and
lining
up
counties
on
the
very
their
committee
meetings
aren't
on
the
same
days,
but
same
schedule.
F
G
Yeah
I
think
here's
what
came
in,
how
it
was
scored
and
then
from
then
we
can
take
it
on
to
starting
to
revise
the
criteria,
because
once
it
goes
to
hcd
or
Council,
and
they
start
varying
from
the
criteria
based
on
their
own
judgment
that
that's
kind
of
irrelevant
to
the
scoring
mechanism.
F
A
A
G
A
F
So
is
it
good
with
you
all
if
I
add,
participate
in
the
missing
middle
study
to
this
workplace?
Yes,
it's
a
lot.
So
there's
two
documents
in
there
there's
the
docx
that
Andy
put
in
which
we
don't
whatever
there's
also
a
Google
Document
there,
which
is
a
live
document,
so
I
just
changed
it
here.
It's
on
the
screen,
yeah.
C
J
F
A
F
F
Yet
really
honestly,
I
mean
I
think
we're
going
to
talk
hcd
just
for
like
five
minutes
about
it.
In
a
couple
weeks,
here's.
F
F
Kind
of
evaluate-
what's
happened
so
far
with
the
wage
and
then
there's
stakeholder
engagement,
talking
with
developers
talking
with
community
members
and
and
then
working
on
policy
revisions,
I
learning
from
the
HTF
process,
I'll
just
say
that
it
feels
like
once
we
open
up
a
scoring
thing.
You
know
it's
hard
to
you
know
it's!
It's
really
open
it's
hard
for
people
to
just
tweak
right,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
take.
I
want
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time.
J
A
Just
take
the
Luigi
section
so
and
like
what
we've
I'm
trying
to
think
the
order,
because
his
in
things
have
changed
over
the
years
like
historically,
we
would
come
up
with
recommendations.
We
would
we
would
have
discussions,
we
would
then
craft
certain
things,
then
it
would
go
to
hcd
and
and
staff
would
and-
and
what's
happened,
though,
is
you
know
where
a
lot
of
our
frustration
was?
A
A
Just
thinking
when
would
if
staff
was
working
on
this
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
present
something
to
hcd
with
the
idea
they're
then
they're
going
to
kind
of
ask
for
their
questions
and
then
is
that
when
trying
to
think
wind
is
the
best
part,
do
we
get
engaged
on
the
early
side
yeah
or
do
we
want
to
wait
until
it's
been
some
feedback
from
hcd,
because
I
think
that's
what
everything
changes,
so
we
don't
want
to?
We
don't
want
to
waste
valuable
time.
Talking
about
things
that
aren't
that
aren't
going
to
be
violent
because.
F
J
F
I've
got
some
more
coming.
We've
got
some
more
coming
into
February
Council,
so
we
know
that
sometimes
sustainability
asks
is
asked
questions
we,
the
voucher,
is
the
one
that
always
gets
asked
right.
So
there's
certain
things
that
always
come
up
at
Council
and
bedrooms.
Those
are
like
the
three
things.
I
can
tell
you
right
now
always
come
up
at
every
Council.
F
That's
not
to
say
that's
all
this
is
about
right,
I
mean
I.
I've
noticed
some
problems
in
the
policy
and
I'm
not
excited
about
and
I
mean
I
think
there's
some
questions
like
some
Financial
questions
for
the
city,
and
this
is
where
conversations
with
developers
really
matter
is.
You
know,
I
think
for
everyday
lay
people
when
they
see
the
amounts
of
the
subsidies
they
feel
like
we're.
Giving
away
too
much
and
I
feel
like
there
needs
to
be
a
reality
check
of
like
okay.
This
is
what
it
really
costs.
F
This
is
you
know
it's
it's
kind
of
like
when
we
did
the
hotel,
Community
benef
public
benefits
table.
We
really
had
to
like
figure
out
where's
the
balance
and
understand.
What's
the
reality
of
building
something,
how
much
it
costs
all
those
layers
I
mean
I
think
there
was
a
change
a
couple
years
ago,
where
the
points
the
number
of
points
per
year
of
taxes
granted
back
changed
and
so
all
of
a
sudden
we
were
giving
many
more
years
than
we
were
before.
F
J
F
I
guess
I'm
not
saying
I'm,
not
disagreeing
with
what
you're
saying
Barry
but
I
think
I
want
to
keep
you
in
the
loop
the
whole
time,
and
maybe
some
of
this
data
stuff
that
Andy
has
here
about
assess
the
outcomes
of
luigi-funded
projects.
Project
case
studies,
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
we
could
do
on
the
front
end
kind
of
like
you
were
from
like
with
the
scoring
you
wish
you
had
it
earlier.
F
J
A
So
if
we
look
it
just
I'm
trying
to
just
put
a
rough
like
you
know,
I
just
put
March
June
I
just
put
some
kind
of
quarterly
guidelines
down
here.
So
to
more
take
this.
So
if
let's
just
look
at
this,
March
is
basically
that
would
be
the
like.
The
spring
would
then
be
the
time,
maybe
to
review
the
house
like
do
this
kind
of
supposed
more
post,
mortal
Housing
Trust
Fund
applications.
G
Question
I
have
for
the
group,
though,
is,
should
we
try
to
do
this
in
this
large
session
or
use
either
one
of
our
two
existing
working
groups
or
another
working
group
to
like
meet
with
Sasha,
go
into
some
detail
and
then
be
able
to
bring
to
the
group.
You
know
a
set
of
here.
Some
proposed
simple
things.
G
You
think
everyone
would
agree
in
here
are
some
points
of
different
disagreement
on
how
things
should
be
changed,
so
we
can
kind
of
get
to
a
quicker
discussion
rather
than
trying
to
you
know
everyone
be
given
a
policy
in
a
meeting
and
then
trying
to
just
you
know
quickly
react
to
it
that
could
take
us
several
sessions
and
the
majority
of
several
sessions.
A
Do
we
want
to
ask
like
what
I'm
thinking
I
mean?
You
know,
part
of
our
frustration
has
always
been.
We
do
things
and
it
goes,
and
everything
has
changed
and
we've
tried
to
try
to
not
create
more
of
a
direct
agenda
link
with
how
with
hcd
do
like
whatever
do
we,
if
we're
gonna,
say
we're
going
to
work
on
the
weeds
first.
A
Do
we
more
ask
like
do
we
always
ask
ACD
for
the
guidance
first
like
tell
us
what
you
want
us
to
focus
on
that
way,
we
focus
on
what
we
know:
they're
supportive,
rather
than
focus
on
things.
That's
not
supportive!
That's
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
asking
is
like.
Do
we
kind
of
put
our
okay
we're
gonna
We
want
to
ask
about
what
they
think
about
Luigi
first
and
then
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
afterwards,
and
that
way
we
focus
on
at
least
where
we
know
there's
some
support
from
well.
I
K
I
A
Okay,
you
know
having
been
through
many
Council
changes
and
like
and
there's
going
to
be,
it's
going
to
be
a
new
Shuffle
and
then
I
think
I
mean
I,
I.
Think
the
next
two
months,
they're
going
to
be
so
preoccupied
with
the
water
deal.
What
happened
that
there's
not
going
to
be
there's
gonna,
be
so
much
energy
stuff
going
on
with
that
that
I,
don't
know
I
mean
it
feels
like
we
have
the
opportunity
like,
because
we've
we've
now
kind
of
set
this
connection
with
hcd
they're
like
well,
we'll
tell
us
what
to
do
so.
A
We're
kind
of
saying,
okay.
This
is
these
are
the
details,
but
these
are
the
four
overarching
things.
There's
leads:
there's
housing,
trust
funds,
right,
there's
housing
strategies
in
City
on
land
and
ask
almost
in
bytes
to
go
to
go
to
ATD
and
in
bytes.
First,
like
okay,
we're
going
to
work
on
the
weeds
this
quarter.
What
do
you?
What
do
you
see
as
your
priorities
of
it?
That
way,
we
know
our
parties
alignment
we
work
on,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
working
on
things
that
there
are
supporting.
A
G
Some
of
it's
just
in
the
way
in
which
you
gather
the
feedback,
if
you
ask
them
to
do
it
like
a
comprehensive
review
of
the
policy
that
takes
a
lot
of
mental
energy
and
a
lot
of
time,
if
you
ask
them,
what's
your
frustrations
with
something
that's
an
easier
thing,
because
you
go
like
I,
never
get
an
answer
on
how
many
units
there
are
I'm
always
concerned.
The
subsidies
are
too
high.
You
know,
et
cetera,
I
mean
those
are
right
things.
G
People
can
do
top
of
Mind
versus
having
to
read
the
whole
policy
and
Redline
it
yeah.
So
again,
I
think
it's
easier
to
say
what
do
you
find
frustrating
in
the
current
Louise
apology
and
work
to
we
go
through
the
details,
as
well
as
trying
to
address
those
frustrations
and
then
bring
the
whole
package
back,
but
and
I
think
you
could
do
that
with
the
whole
Council,
because
these
things
just
go
from
ACD
to
hold
the
whole
Council
and
they
all
have
to
vote
on
it.
So.
F
So
a
couple
pieces
of
information,
so
finance
committee
has
moved
because
right
now
the
applications
go
to
both
hcd
and
finance
and
finance
committees
change
their
schedule.
They
are
now
the
second
Tuesday
of
the
month
and
they've
changed
their
members.
So
it's
the
mayor,
Kim
Roney
and
Maggie
Ullman,
and
so
next
Tuesday
Nikki
I'm
out
of
town
next
week.
Nikki
is
going
to
do
a
presentation
for
me
just
like
an
intro
to
luige,
so
just
to
kind
of
introduce
them.
F
Even
though
the
mayor
and
councilwoman
Roney
have
both
seen
these
applications
at
Council
and
probably
are
somewhat
familiar,
but
but
none
of
them
have
been
involved
in
a
more
detailed
review,
so
we're
going
to
do
kind
of
an
intro
for
them
next
week,
and
that
would
be
maybe
a
chance
to
ask
that
question
or
if
they
have
questions
I,
think
it's
a
it's
a
great
role
for
hcd
to
play,
to
kind
of
be
that
I
mean
it's
and
it's
really
Frank.
It
could
also
be
staff's
job.
To
ask
that
question.
F
It's
a
good
question
and
I
think
that's
part
of
our
thing
in
in
two
weeks.
January,
17th
is
to
say
we're
doing
this
process.
What
are
the
questions
and
we
could
say
or
your
frustrations
with
this
process
and
if
there's
other,
we
could
ask,
we
could
work
with
the
city
management
to
see
if
we
could
ask
maybe
one
of
the
chair
to
pull
other
council
members
for
us.
They
are
going
to
be
subsumed
with
other
work.
I
do
think.
I
do
think.
F
F
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
not
forget
to
say,
is
that
in
February,
Rachel,
Wood
Assistant
city
manager
said
to
us
yesterday.
You
know
some
of
the
Committees
that
there's
a
new
Council
committee
called
Equitable
development,
I'm,
not
saying
it
right,
equity
and
but
in
some
of
their
committees,
are
reporting
to
them
and
getting
some
time.
So
then
the
February
hcd
meeting
would
be
a
great
time.
We
could
have
a
slot
for
somebody
from
ahac
to
come.
Talk
to
them
be
a
chance
to
have
that
direct
communication.
B
F
So
they
will
have
several,
they
will
have
they've
got
several
different
boards
and
commissions.
You
know
it's
just
a
little
bit
of
a.
F
L
Don't
I
don't
know
exactly
what
their
scope
like
I
couldn't
give
the
byline,
but
I
know
that,
for
instance,
one
of
the
one
component
of
our
work
plan
that
we're
bringing
forward
to
this
committee
is
the
SPF
right.
So
the
Strategic
partnership
funds
will
cycle
up
through
the
equity
and
engagement
committee
versus
how
it
has
previously
gone
to
hcd.
L
I
F
It
did
not
change,
so
it's
staying
the
same,
I
really
and
I
just
to
address
that
issue
of
count.
Knowing
what
council
wants
and
this
kind
of
feedback
loops
I
think
it
was
so
helpful
that
councilwoman
Mosley
was
at
your
retreat.
Yes,
and
just
it
Fed
so
beautifully
right
into
the
council
meeting,
it
was
just
very
smooth
because
she
was
there.
She
got
her
input.
She
you
know
she
could
tell
the
rest
of
council
what
you
all
said.
You
know
what
I
mean
so
I
think
it's
all
working
much
better
than
it
was.
A
Yeah
I
think
we
have
pretty
I
mean,
especially
with
hcd
at
least
two
or
three.
We
have
pretty
good
Community.
We
have
good
communication
with
and
I
think.
That's
that's
why
I
feel
it's
like
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
I
mean
over
the
overarching
work
plan.
A
A
I
think
that's
really
what
we
I
think.
That's
really
that
biggest
thing.
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
working
on
things.
We
know
there's
some
supportive
and
we're
working
on
helping
discuss
some
of
those
and
add
some
in,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
working
on
things.
We
know
there's
not
because
we
just
don't
all
have
the
time
and.
G
A
C
A
Post-Mortem
review
of
the
applications,
and
then
we
can
look
at
how
the
application
is
scored,
currently
how
they
would
have
scored
with
different
matrices,
so
that
yeah
that
would
make
sense
for
that
to
be
kind
of
a
number
kind
of
the
missing
middle.
So
I
was
like
maybe
we
can
get
briefed
on
what's
going
on,
but
really
the
work
of
that
is
going
to
be
a
year
long.
So
that
could
be
more
coming
after
the
Housing
Trust
Fund
review,
possibly
I.
A
J
F
A
Yeah,
it's
kind
of
like
I'm
just
trying
to
get
it
like
remember,
I,
mean
years
before
coven
I
mean
our
work
plan
was
basically
we
had
at
least
like
we
had
a
calendar
broken
down
by.
This
is
what
we're
focusing
on
just
quarter
this
month.
Just
with
like
this
conversation
is
like
too
much
three
months
and
kind
of
that's
all.
You
know
from
covet,
that's
kind
of
fall
apart
and
then
also
you
know
all
of
the
down
payment
assistance.
Frustration
was
like
you
know
we
all
kind
of
like
and.
A
It
sounds
like
basically
Luigi's
policy
update,
Housing,
Trust,
Fund
scoring
and
policy
based
on
review
of
applications
that
come
in
the
missing.
You
know
missing
middle
input,
and
then
you
know
with
this
overall
arching
update
of
updating
that
affordable
housing
strategy
of
the
2008
plan
and
to
kind
of
see
how
that
what?
What
is
what
is
stamps?
Like,
oh
I,
don't
know
the
pro
like.
What
is
the
process
for
because
that's
it
I
mean
that's
a
biggie.
You
know
that's
a
towing
committee,
Cafe
Forest
Works.
What
is
the?
F
Oh
I
would
really
love
to
get
an
RFP
out
this
year.
You
know
in
the
first
in
the
next
six
months
and
kind
of
get
that
going
like.
F
A
A
A
F
A
Okay,
all
right
well,
I
guess
that
gives
us
at
least
the
somewhat
of
an
order
of
a
December
simultaneous,
and
that
was
you
know,
that's
kind
of
how
we
used
to
we
used
to
have
kind
of
this
a
calendar
and
then
we'd
have
the
color.
You
know
some
things
would
definitely
take
three
months
four
months.
Some
would
take
all
year
sure,
but
at
least
then
we
had
discussion
timelines
and
then
we
would
try
to
line
it
up
with
hcd
input
and
meeting.
So
it
sounds
like
it.
A
A
Please
keep
it
so
I
think
there's
any.
Does
anyone
want
to
besides
those
four?
What
is
what
is
it
I
mean
any
other
kind
of
focuses.
We
want
to
get
on
the
overarching
work
plan
that
anyone
wants
to
bring
up
where
you
know
we're
I,
guess
we're
saying
to
the
the
2008
Plan
update,
Luigi's,
Housing,
Trust,
Fund
and
then
kind
of
missing
middle
making,
building
easier,
slash,
studio
and
payment.
I,
don't
know
if
City
own
land
is
a
separate
thing
or
that
might
some
of
how
that
plays
out
might
be
affected
by
this
housing.
F
I
think
when
we
have
a
consultant
on
board
and
we
have
a
general
like
a
scope
and
a
schedule,
we
can
send
that
you
know
we
can
either
send
it
to
you
or
have
the
Dilla
come
to
a
meeting.
Just
one.
That's
ready
like
I,
don't
want
him
to
just
come
and
you
know
not
give
you
substantial
information
so
and
how
you
can
plug
in
and
if
there's
going
to
be
an
advisory
committee,
we'll.
G
G
G
A
C
A
That
have
done
some
of
these
some
of
the
background
of
this
and
to
see
when
he
thinks
he
would
be
a
good
time
for
him
to
present.
If
it's
next
meeting
the
meeting
after
that,
get
some
input
from
him
for
what
he
thinks,
but
I
guess
also
yeah
their
their
their
Department
also
become
a
little
bit
of
a
shake-up
with
without
the
department
yep.
I
It
feels
like
we
can
move
the
city
on
land
out
of
our
out
of
next
year,
just
in
terms
of
the
what's
a
reasonable
workload,
unless
we
think
something
significant
is
going
to
happen
with
either
well
with
any
of
the
existing
City
young
major.
You
know
large
city
on
sites
in
the
coming
in
the
coming
year
that
we're
thinking
about
you
know
some
kind
of
significant
new
land,
banking
or
side
acquisition
on
the
city's
part.
L
That
I
said
I
would
agree
with
that,
because
yeah,
because
you
know
we
had
set
aside
money
in
the
bond
for
some
planning
and
obviously
deep
review
is
top
of
mind
for
me
and
for
our
team
but
I.
Think
just
realistically,
we've
got
we've
got
a
good
slide
out
in
front
of
us
at
least
I
mean
I.
Think
if
we're
trying
to
get
that
RFP
out
for
the
housing
strategies
update,
it
could
be
next
fiscal
year
before
we
look
at
doing
some
kind
of
planning
and
infrastructure
and
investigation.
A
L
B
L
L
A
B
I
F
A
A
It
also
feels
like
there's,
been
more
I'm
hearing
more
and
more
about
privatized,
DBA
programs,
like
so
I,
think
it's
you
know,
I
think
and
also
as
far
as
like
for
at
least
the
next
year,
probably
with
interest
rates
home
ownership
is
going
to
be
so
out
of
the
reach.
So
more
and
more
and
more
that
probably
the
city,
you
know
us,
as
a
committee
focusing
on
a
city
depart,
you
know,
DPA
program
is
probably
not
gonna
happen.
A
J
A
Yeah
I'm
hearing
like
I,
know
I
mean
there's
two
different
private
private
entertainment
assistance
programs,
an
addition
to
Mountain
housing
that
are
floating
around
town
now,
but
which
is
good
yeah.
It's
like
if
the
city
can't
be
that's
what
we
lose,
so
you
can't
do
everything.
So
it's
good
that
there's
creative
how
to
solve
gaps.
A
A
J
A
All
right,
so
we
can
we'll
we'll
just
work
we'll
work
on
calendaring,
maybe
those
kind
of
putting
together
those
those
main
those
top
four
items
will
reach
out
to
hcd
for
ask
what
some
of
their
thoughts
and
frustrations
are
about,
who
we
age.
That
way,
we
have
some
input
for
our
discussions
and
then
we'll
kind
of
wait
for.
J
F
It
helps
me
know
what
you
know:
I
think
you
in
February,
if
you
all,
come
and
present
to
them,
we
we
all
had
a
discussion
about
the
luige
policy
process
and
then,
if
you
have
additional
questions
or
discussion,
you
want
to
have
with
them.
Maybe
we
can
or
if
I,
find
out
certain
things,
and
you
want
to
ask
the
question
again
like.
G
J
I
If
you
can
just
try
to
get
clarity
for
us,
what
what
role
they
would
like
a
hat
to
play,
what
you
know
again
to
my
sort
of
dot
dot
dot
up
there?
What
is
what
would
we
be
trying
to
achieve
with
the
revision
of
the
Luigi
policy
that
we
aren't
achieving
with
the
current
yeah
and.
A
We've
kind
of
set
up
I
mean
we've,
we've
we've
got
to
them,
and
we've
got
to
this
point
already
where
we
said
with
the
hcd
like
they're,
going
to
their
worst
with
this
new
committees.
You
know,
structure
they're
supposed
to
be
giving
us
their
guidelines
or
priorities
that
we
can
work
on
it.
So
I
guess
that
that's
what
yeah
you
can
separate
that
software
for
the
next
meeting.
What
is
it.
L
I
I
You
can
design
a
revision
that
goes
that
direction
and
that's
the
you
know,
there's
public
good
at
the
end
of
that
trail
and
there's
also,
we
want
it
to
be,
you
know
more
Equitable
and
create
units
that
serve
the
hardest
to
house
families
and
there's
a
public
good
at
the
end
of
that
road,
but
they're
two
different
roads
right.
So
we
need
to.
We
need
to
know
what
the
public
good
that
they're
looking
for
out
of
their
Vision,
so
that
we
spend
our
time.
A
A
Yeah,
so
on
the
to
annual
report,
the
one
I
think
there
was
margin
had
a
change
he
wanted
to
put
on
there
for
accomplishments
and
then
definitely
one
accomplishment
I'd
like
to
add
on
there
is
that
you
know
ahac
advocated
for
the
creation
of
your
position.
You
know
the
affordable
housing
officer
position.
We
were
part
of
the
selection
process
for
that
and
we're
helping
to
kind
of
craft.
You
know
be
part
of
what
that
position
looks
like
in
the
city,
but
I
think.
A
J
F
So
there's
a
PDF
of
the
original
and
then
I
added
a
Google
doc
in
there
again,
so
we
could
edit
it
today.
So
really
the
main
thing
we
need
to
do
today
quickly,
if
possible-
and
maybe
it
comes
right
out
of
this
discussion
we
just
had
or
like
you
know,
do
you
have
I
would
suggest
two
or
three
important
policy
recommendations
to
city
council
that
you
want
to
make.
A
B
G
Yeah
we
want
to
include
in
here
I
mean
I'm.
Also,
you
know,
there's
certain
things
like
changing
some
of
the
you
know
single
family
zoning
I
know
or
what
you
know.
There's
this
notion
we're
having
this
missing
middle
study,
we're
going
to
wait
a
year
to
tell
us
you
should
get
rid
of
the
zoning
like.
Why
don't
we
just
do
it
now
versus
waiting,
because
every.
G
You
can
research
online
says,
get
rid
of
single
families
owning
so
why
don't
we
just
get
rid
of
single
family
zoning?
Now
that
would
be
like
one
thing
we
could
recommend
like.
Why
wait.
G
A
Do
we
want
to
I'm
just
thinking
because
this
could
take
out
like
we've
got
the
overarching
kind
of
Luigi
Housing
Trust
Fund
missing
my
little
Plan
update
I,
wonder
maybe
if
we
have
specific
ones
since
we
have
a
little
rather
than
I
wonder
if
we
can
submit
them,
because
we
can
get
on
there's
good,
suggesting
that
we
drop
single
families
earning
might
be
really
hard
to
put
on
as
a
policy
recommendation
for
us
all
to
agree
on
or
I
mean
or
like
the
other
thing
that's
come
up.
A
F
A
So
we
could,
you
know,
theoretically,
we
could
each
vote
between
now
and
then
we
could
committee
like
we
could
task
force
meat
and
each.
However,
you
want
to
do
that
in
each
task.
Force
may
be
recommends.
Each
task
force
rate
comes
up
before
the
21st,
with
a
recommendation,
one
from
connect,
one
from
build
is
that
or
they.
B
We
have
yeah
I,
think
that
we
should
consider
is
recommending
to
them
that
they
start
putting
in
escalation
clauses
into
some
of
the
policies,
because
we
don't
have
any
control
over
things
that
are
happening
in
the
construction
world
or
in
some.
You
know
that
we
have
to
think
about
escalation
Clauses
and
that's
what
you
know.
It's
the
out
of
control
stuff
that
has
to
be
yeah.
J
A
Don't
we
do
that
because
just
for
timing-
because,
let's
do
that
so
it's
like
maybe
each
group
each
task
force.
Can
you
know
that
we
can
discuss
this
and
we
can
have
one
that
comes
from
middle
one
again
and
I
mean
maybe
there's
multiple,
but
but
just
as
as
far
as
knowing
like
the
fewer
items,
the
fewer
items
there
are
the
more
attention
they.
A
F
It
doesn't
have
to
be
yeah.
A
I
Cleaner
is
that
can
we
have
a
can?
We
have
a
full
committee
policy
recommendation
then,
regarding
the
updating,
the
affordable
house,
housing
strategy.
I
I
think
it
would
be
nice
and
that
that
gives
us
a
big
umbrella
that
took
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things
under
make
that
a
yes,
it's
on
our
work
plan.
It's
on
the
staff's
work
plan
and
move
that
we
that
we
advance
that,
as
our
policy
priority
coming
out
of
the
whole
way,
a
single
policy.
E
E
A
A
I
Okay,
so
so
the
motion
would
be
that
we
recommend
that
the
adoption
of
a
comprehensive
housing
plan
and
then
that
we're
that
we're
adopting
yeah
an
additional
policy
recommendation
from
each
ahexa
committee
or
not
subcommittee
working
group
I
mean
do.
We
I
feel
like
we
as
a
group
need
to
say
that
that's.
A
Updating
the
2008
Ford
will
have
plan
and
develop
a
conference,
comprehens
comprehensive,
affordable
housing
plan
and
that
each
of
the
working
age
of
the
task
force
I
think
that's
the
term
each
of
the
affordable.
The
ahac
test
courses
will
provide
an
additional
full
provided
recommendation
to
go
along
with
our
annual
report.
A
F
I
We
need
to
and.
J
A
H
A
Know
during
during
the
build
task
force,
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
was
about
MSD
from
our
discussions
of
having
Kevin
Johnson
there
we
learned
about
them
not
being
able
to
extend
their
own
lines.
We
were
all
shocked
about
that.
We
have
already
attended
some
MSD
board
a
board
meeting
on
and
a
planning
meeting
on,
WE
advise
some
of
the
board
members
who
didn't
even
know
that
they
couldn't
do
that.
A
So
one
of
the
things
that's
happened
is
there's
an
open
seat
on
the
MSD
board
that
we've
advocated
for
Chris
day
to
apply
which
we
did
and
what
I
would
like
to
do.
If
we
could
is
offer
I,
have
a
motion
to
prepare
to
us
offer
our
support
for
that
one
of
the
things
why
this
is
timely,
so
it's
a
January,
10th
and
I
did
a
little
bit
of
background
checking
on
this.
A
It
was
advertised
as
an
open
C,
but
historically
the
both
seats,
the
the
city
that
the
city
has
two
seats
on
the
MSD
board.
Historically,
it's
been
the
mayor
and
a
council
member,
and
so
it
has
to
be
at
least
I
think
it
has
to
be
the
mayor
and
then
historically
it's
been
a
council
member,
but
there's
nothing
that
says
it
has
to
be
account.
Survivor.
The
city
is
allowed
to
designate
someone
else
for
that
second
seat,
so
because
councilman
whistler's,
left
and
I
think
she
had
that
seat.
A
That's
opened
up
why
the
seat
was
advertised,
even
though
it
kind
of
in
the
past
has
just
been
a
council
appointed
seat,
but
it's
it
doesn't
have
to
be
I
clarified.
That's
a
jury!
This
morning,
we're
doing
we've
clarified
that
some
council
members
so
offering
our
support
is
a
strong
statement
for
this.
So
I
prepared
it
a
motion.
A
It
says,
during
whatever
ran
it
through
Chris
I,
had
during
meetings
of
the
Asheville,
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
build
task
force.
It
was
discovered
that
metropolitan
sewer
district
has
in
their
Charter
language
that
prohibits
the
district
from
proactively
extending
their
sewer
main
lines.
Recognizing
that
adequate
sewer
infrastructure
is
essential
for
the
creation
of
additional,
affordable
housing.
Ahac
hereby
recommends
the
appointment
of
ahec
member
and
civil
engineer.
G
Because
we
now
have
our
meetings
recorded
rather
than
minutes,
does
exit
something
go
to
council.
That
says
they
did
this
yeah.
This
will.
Okay
in
writing,
goes
to
careful
specifically
saying
yeah.
A
That's
why
the
strength
of
this
yeah
that
will
basically
have
an
item,
an
action
item
on
this.
We
have
a
motion.
That's
drafted,
we'll
send
this.
You
know
we'll
send
this
on
to
the
boards
and
the
we'll
send
this
on
somebody.
Council,
members
they'll
know,
but
they're
really
the
next
discussion.
The
first
discussion
of
this
would
be
next
week
at
whenever
you
get
the
tent
that
boards
and
commissions,
and
then
it
goes
to
council,
okay,
yeah.
B
F
I
can
I
can
let
the
assistant
city
clerk
know
yeah.
Does
she
make
sure
that
boards
and
commission
gets
it
when
I
first
got
this
I
didn't
realize
it
was
a
motion
to
city
council
I
thought
it
was
to
MSD
itself.
It.
A
Great
yeah,
but
but
historically
just
you
know,
you're.
You
know
as
an
example
of
kind
of
what
a
chair
does
it's.
There
is
a
lot
of
like
this
lobbying
connecting
the
pieces
that
I
mean
staff's
doing
some
stuff,
but
there's
there's
the
Personal
Touch
towards
doing
making
sure
the
right
people
get
the
right
things
and
the
right
words
and
that's
kind
of
what
some
you
know.
What
I,
what
I've
done
is
here.
I'm,
gonna
and
other
I
mean
it's
not
just
me.
There's
other
chairs,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
there's.
J
A
A
And
then
any
is
any
updates.
You
want
to
do
from
connect
task
force,
or
will
we
did
not
meet
in
these?
Okay,
all
right
updates
from.
F
I'm
a
little
underwater
today
but
I'm
leaving
town
tomorrow,
but
I
do
have
two
Luigi
applications
going
to
hce
in
January
and
then
they
will
be
going
to
finance
after
your
next
meeting
and
I
could
give
you
more
information
then.
But
basically
it's
the
46
Aston
micro
units
project,
which
is
231
Apartments
47,
affordable,
it's
20
percent.
F
B
B
B
F
I
know,
and
it's
it's
difficult
and
I've
kind
of
done,
a
lot
of
prodding
about
it
and
I'm
gonna,
actually
I've
been
doing
some
having
some
conversations
with
housing
authority
staff
around
voucher
holders
and
what
kind
of
units
they're
looking
for
and-
and
just
you
know
again
with
that
whole
one
bedroom,
two
bedroom
thing
you.
F
And
I
think
that's
to
me.
That's
the
one
question
of
fairness
like
if
you
wanted
to
have
a
lower
rent
kind
of
line
for
that
and
I
so
I'm
hoping
to
have
a
conversation
with
David
Nash
around
you
know.
We've
got
these
other
projects
at
the
Ramada
and
the
Days
Inn,
which
will
probably
have
similar
size
units
and
what
is
the
sub?
You
know
what
are
the
rents
being
paid
there
and
if
they're,
similar
or
if
they're
low,
you
know
I'm
curious,
because
I
think
that
would
be
one
data
point
that
could
be
helpful.
F
C
F
And
we
did,
you
know
we
did
some
digging
back
in
the
fall
and
determined
that
it
does
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
with
you
all,
but
it
does.
It
does
fit
everything
we
thought
it
did
originally
with
the
first
project
so
and.
A
F
B
E
B
Other
cities,
but
this
is
I-
think
it's
Unique
to
Asheville,
because
we
don't
have
the
like
in
Washington
like
in
Washington
state,
where
they
happen
to
be,
and
in
Nashville,
where
there's
all
these
big
Mega
corporations
that
have
lots
of
young
people
that
are
making
decent
salaries
that
have
lots
of
restaurants
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff
to
go
eat
at
and
lots
of
Transportation.
That's
not
exactly
not.
A
A
That's
they're
a
little
bit
bigger,
but
essentially
their
hotel
rooms
and,
and
so
that's
probably
the
most
similar,
but
the
biggest
difference.
I
think
what
makes
it
controversial
is.
The
Hiawassee
was
a
motel
and
had
parking,
and
this
is
a
pro.
This
does
not
have
parking,
but
there's
not
required
EXO
anyway,
I
said
I,
don't
know
it's
it's
untested,
but
I
don't
know,
I,
look
at
I
still
there's
so
many.
You
know
again
when
it
comes
like
we're
talking
here
about
down
payment
assistance.
The
city
couldn't
come
up.
A
The
city
couldn't
make
a
down
payment.
Assistance
program
happen,
so
we've
got
non-profit
groups
coming
in.
We've
got
private
sectors
trying
to
come
up
with
it.
It
might
not
be
as
great
as
what
the
city
could
do,
but
when
we've
got
anybody
trying
to
create
more
housing
stock,
even
if
it's
tiny,
the
Market's
gonna
the
Market's
gonna
poop,
whether
it's
viable
or
not,
but.
G
K
G
F
And
I
did
you
know?
I
did
I've
been
following
some
of
that
conversation
with
vouchers
and
the
housing
authority,
and
why
do
people
return
units
who
are
return,
vouchers
and
people
who
can't
find
units,
or
they
tend
to
be
one
bedrooms
or
this
or
that
and
I
didn't
really
get
to
the
bottom
of
all
of
it?
But
one
bedroom
unit
vouchers
get
returned
at
the
highest
rate
of
all
the
returns.
F
People
and
apparently
pets
is
a
big
barrier.
Huge.
The
number
one
barrier
is
what
the
person
who
works
with
these
folks
said
is
Pets.
They
can't
find
places
that
I'll
accept
pets.
Sometimes
it's
people
need
ground
floor
units.
So
accessibility
is
an
issue.
Some
people
she
said,
have
just
a
clear.
You
know
if
they're
already
living
in
public
housing
and
they
have
a
voucher,
a
Mobility
voucher,
to
get
it
to
move.
They
have
a
super
clear
idea
about
what
they
want
and
they're
not
willing
to,
and.
B
Of
course,
these
fear
from
them
bringing
up
to
the
shared
kitchens,
which
is
a
you
know
depending
on
you
know
that
may
not
work
for
a
lot
of
people
if
they
have
specific
needs
and
yeah.
B
A
B
F
The
other
one
is
157
new
Leicester
Highway,
which
is
kind
of
a
more
traditional
Suburban
apartment.
J
J
F
A
Yeah
I
guess
we'll
see,
but
I
guess
maybe
they'll
have
a
public.
The
Luigi
application
will
be
I,
guess
that
the
one
will
be
discussed
at
hcd,
so
we'll
see
what
they're.
This
will
be.
An
interesting
thing
to
see
I
mean
I
guess
this
will
be
an
interesting
thing
like
here
we're
going
to
ask
we're
asking
HED
to
kind
of
tell
us
what
their
frustrations
are
with
Luigi,
and
here
they
basically
they're
going
to
have
this
application
in
front
of
them,
so
we'll
get
to
really
gauge.
Are
they?
What
do
they
feel
about
it?
A
F
F
A
Just
about
another
project:
is
there
the
project?
That's
going
on
on
Ashland
with
the
parking
the
parking
garage
that's
city
is.
A
F
A
F
A
A
My
understanding
was
it's
kind
of
a
psych
work
issue
and
it's
something
just
to
keep
in
mind,
because
this
recurring
site
work
issue
comes
up
all
over
town
as
we're
going
to
be
discussing.
You
know
319
that,
that's
probably
you
know
it's
it's
a
recurring
issue
in
town
about
all
of
our
poor
poor
land
conditions
and
how
it
leads
to
you.
D
Yeah
historic,
historically
downtown
I
mean
there's
been
so
much
Redevelopment
of
downtown
and
how
it's
changed
over
the
years.
There's
always
surprises
underneath
you
know
I
think
the
I
don't
know
all
the
details
on
the
the
one
on
Cox
Avenue
right
now,
but
the
site
work
I,
think
they've
gotten
it
now.
They've
got
a
lot
of
surprises
and
spent
a
lot
of
money
on
surprises,
but
I
think
they've
got
it
now
to
where
they
feel
comfortable.
If
someone
else
wanted
to
step
in
because
they're
fatigued
they're
fatigued
on
it.
B
A
A
J
J
B
A
Okay,
let's
see
I'm
just
gonna
wrap
up
it's
about
the
housing
data.
There's
links
to
it.
You
know
you
can
you
can
look
through
to
see
kind
of
the
trends
of
the
houses
under
375
and
it's
there's
really
not
there's
nothing
dramatic.
Changing
yet
like
there's,
not
there
hasn't
been
a
big
Market
ship,
there's
just
a
Slowdown
that
fills
the
seasonal
so
really
interested
to
see
what
happens
with
spring.
A
B
Over
I
was
just
going
to
say
yesterday's
paper.
There
was
a
great
article,
but
the
county
did.
It
was
a
total
review
of
all
14
projects
that
the
county
has
approved
and
the
number
of
units
for
the
county
going
forward.
So,
if
you
haven't
seen,
it
should
definitely
take
a
look
at
it
because
it
was
pretty
pretty
impressive.
It's.
A
A
Oh
yeah
I
was
actually
thinking
because
that
was
specifically
ones
that
the
county
has
approved.
I
thought
that
would
be
I
was
going
to
ask,
because
if
the
reporter
can
do
a
specific
one
for
the
city
like
what
would
because
it
was
very,
it
was
what
county
approved.
It
wasn't
specifically
what
the
city
approved
and
Iowa
I'm
just
going
to
suggest
that
they
do
that
same
wrap-up
for
what
was
approved
in
the
city,
and
maybe
it
works.
But.
A
Yeah,
okay
and
then
on
events,
I
guess,
there's
an
event.
January
25th
is
the
and
Hera's
joint
meeting
of
the
council
and
City
Commission.
A
So
if
you
want
to
attend,
sounds
like
it
could
be
helpful,
anyone
know
any
other
information
about
that.
They
want
to
share.
F
I
mean
the
Dogwood
Health
Trust
funded.
This
study,
the
National
Alliance
they've,
been
in
town
several
times,
have
done
a
big
kind
of
a
comprehensive
study
and
are
going
to
have
recommendations
about
where
we
should
be
heading
with
homelessness
issues
and
so
for
people
who
are
really
concerned
about
that.
I
think
it's
and
that
will
be
both
Council
and
the
County
Commission
meeting
together.
F
I
can
ask
him,
send
it
to
you
all
when
it
gets.