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A
Okay,
I
just
would
like
to
welcome
everybody
to
this
meeting
of
the
design
review
committee
on
september
16
2021.
I
am
jane
matthews.
The
chair.
A
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
district.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process,
with
one
exception
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
this
committee.
A
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually
today.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
online.
We
are
also
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city's
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
committee's
page.
You
can
also
watch
the
meeting
on
the
city's
youtube
channel,
which
sasha
just
turned
on.
A
And
enter
code
9410
when
we
get
to
the
public
comment
section
later,
you
may
dial
the
same
number
and
press
star
3.
for
those
of
you
out
there
today
with
us.
Welcome
I'd
like
to
start
first
by
going
through
the
roll
call
and
choose
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating
virtually
with
us
today
again,
please
make
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
if.
A
A
A
Not
sure
if
she
got
that
brian
muffett.
B
G
A
So
moving
on
to
the
new
business
portion
of
our
agenda,
we
have
three
projects
seeking
formal
design
review.
We
will
take
these
cases
in
the
order
that
they
appear
on
the
agenda.
Staff
will
kick
things
off
with
a
short
presentation,
after
which
the
applicant
or
their
design
team
members
will
be
invited
to
speak
once
presentations
are
done.
We
will
also
pause
to
take
any
public
comment.
A
Please
keep
in
mind
that
it's
not
uncommon
to
have
technology
issues
during
these
presentations,
such
as
screen
freezing
or
during
public
comments,
such
as
participants
losing
connections.
If
this
happens,
exit
the
meeting
and
re-enter
using
the
same
link
or
call-in
number
you
used
to
join,
we
will
now
begin
with
the
first
new
business
item
on
our
agenda.
39
patent
avenue.
A
Thank
you,
chair
matthews,
so
this
is
sasha
vertinski
the
planner
here
today.
Shannon
tuck
is
not
here
for
the
yom
kippur
holiday.
So
I
will
be
talking
a
lot
today.
So
I'll
apologize
and
try
not
to
talk
too
much.
This
is
a
project,
a
level
one
project
at
39
patent.
A
A
A
And
I
can't
see
the
screen
so
if
or
if
somebody
has
a
hand
or
a
question,
I
won't
be
able
to
see
it.
So
in
this
document
this
page
covers
all
the
changes
they're
making
to
the
existing
facade,
and
these
were
these
drawings
show
the
new
storefronts
on
the
on
the
bottom
of
each
side
of
the
building.
A
A
So
it's
showing
you
know
existing
bricks
to
remain
there's
some
additional
limestone,
cladding
wood
windows,
the
back
side
of
the
you
know.
The
college
street
side
is
a
different
style,
it's
more
of
a
little
bit
of
an
industrial
style,
and
so
they
have
steel
windows
and
then
here
on.
The
second
page
is
really
the.
A
Sorry
kind
of
the
prettier
versions
of
what
is
expected
to
to
be
the
outcome
of
this
project.
This
project
was
reviewed
by
the
downtown
commission
last
friday
at
their
meeting
and
there
were
no
substantial
big
comments.
There
were
a
couple
questions
around
trees
are
remaining
in
place
and
there
was
a
question
and
I
alerted
the
architect
about
a
utility
cabinet
here
on
the
college
street
side,
but
otherwise
I
think
people
were
very
supportive
of
this
project.
A
H
Sure,
thanks
sasha,
this
is
katie
gay
from
carlton
edwards.
I
hope
you
all
can
hear
me
as
sasha
said
this
project's
largely
restorative
and
we're
following
secretary
of
the
interior
and
national
park
service
guidelines
for
repairing
the
prismatic
glass.
As
you
see
on
the
patent
side,
that's
the
side
with
the
yellow,
brick
there
and
the
diamond
motif
above
and
essentially
most
of
our
new
work
happens
at
the
street
level,
where
we've
worked
with
the
state
historic
preservation
office
to
get
the
appropriate
proportions
of
the
storefront.
I
H
As
the
molie
ends
and
the
height
of
the
transom
windows
above
and
just
trying
to
create
kind
of
a
nicer
connection
to
the
sidewalk
on
both
levels
on
the
college
street
side,
as
sasha
pointed
out
historically,
this
was
more
of
a
like
a
delivery
side
to
the
pollock
shoe
store
whose
storefront
was
on
the
patton
avenue
side.
So
we're
kind
of
sticking
again
with
that
more
industrial,
aesthetic
we're
coming
back
in
with
still
windows
to
match.
That
would
be
operable
for
our
emergency
egress.
H
H
Yeah
absolutely
do
you
mind
navigating
to
the
existing
photo
of
college
street.
H
B
H
Now
that
we
would
actually
put
it
on
that
return
wall,
so
it's
largely
in
a
a
similar
position,
as
it
was
as
far
as
the
routing
from
that
box.
I
just
would
not
be
as
visible
from
the
street
side.
A
E
Very
quickly
yeah
and
yes,
sasha.
I
think
I
was
one
of
the
ones
that
asked
that
that
that
answers
the
question
I
saw
it
in
plan
on
these
revised
drawings.
I
have
a
question
regarding
this
elevation
with
the
metal
panels.
E
A
It's
a
good
question.
I
don't
think
I'm.
E
I
didn't
catch
that
for
some
reason
I
thought
it
was
like
it
was.
You
know,
like
fret,
glass
or
something
like
that,
at
least
it
it
read
like
that
it
does
it
does
in
this
image.
I
was
reading
that
as
like
you
know,
obscure
glass,
so
I
was
a
little
confused.
A
E
A
Yeah,
so
we
do
measure
and
we've
been
doing
this
for
like
10
years
now,
and
it's
a
little
crazy,
but
not
crazy.
It's
just
not
written
exactly
like
this
in
the
code,
but
we
measure
ground
floor
fenestration
by
length,
so
we
do
do
like
70
by
length.
So
we
would
take
the
full
facade
and
do
the
length
of
windows
and
so
yeah.
We
would
be
look
if
the
current
building,
when
you
have
an
existing
building,
that's
not
complying.
A
E
E
In
a
mechanical
room
behind
that,
so
they
could
make
that,
like
an
obscure
glass
in
lieu
of
the
metal
panels
that
they
currently
have
shown
is
that
is
that
correct.
H
Yeah
I
get,
I
can
speak
through
some
of
that.
H
So,
for
I
guess
a
few
pieces
of
context
so
currently,
while
we're
upgrading
the
electrical
service
to
the
building
and
the
water
is
coming
in,
underneath
that
storefront,
actually
it's
like
kind
of
in
between
those
right
to
glass
pieces,
so
we've
actually
located
our
mechanical
room
on
that
facade.
H
So
that's
been
what
has
informed
the
fenestrations
at
the
street
level.
Here
I
do
if
I
think
I
would
need
to
know
the
definition
of
obscure
class.
If
you're
you
know,
meaning
like
a
filmed
glass
or.
B
E
It
says
glass
may
be
tended,
but
shall
not
be
reflective.
I'm
in
I'm
in
under
the
central
business
district,
7,
8
18
of
the
munich
code,
something
item,
13,
designing
operational
standards,
a
point:
five
is
the
building
fenestration
section
there.
A
And
I
think,
because
this
is
a
code
issue,
this
will
be
caught
in
your
review
so
and
this
is
kind
of
the
downside
of
taking
this
through
design
review
before
going
through
the
level
one
review
with
the
dsd
planners.
A
So
I
mean
this
committee
doesn't
have
the
power
to
grant
variances
or
anything
like
that
and
that's
a
whole
other
process
with
in
downtown
it's
pnz
that
does
variances
and
you
have
to
prove
a
hardship,
but
but
we
could
we
could
make
a
motion
that
at
least
referenced
that
section
for
clients
and
that
could
be
the
city's
determination,
whether
it
changes
or
not
sure.
Absolutely
yes,
yeah,
I
mean
yeah.
I
just
I.
B
A
For
katie,
I
I
lived
in
this
building
for
a
while,
I'm
curious
what
you're
doing
with
the
third
floor
cross
bracing,
which
is
very
visible
from
college
street.
It
doesn't
show
up
in
your
renderings,
but
it
shows
up
in
the
photos
both
of
the
existing
building
and
then.
B
H
Yeah,
so
we're
making
a
fairly
substantial
structural
improvements
to
the
building,
so,
in
short,
that
cross
bracing
will
be
removed.
I'm
sure
you've
been
to
the
very
top
floor
where
that
cross
bracing
actually
happens
between
multiple
bays,
so
that
was
kind
of
problem
number
one
to
solve.
H
So
we're
actually
going
to
use
our
central
stair
tower
and
elevator
core,
basically,
as
our
lateral
bracing,
exactly.
A
Well,
I
I
just
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
public
comment,
sasha,
oh
yeah,
sorry.
E
Would
like
to
I
very
much
like
this
project,
I
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
39
patent
avenue
project
as
presented
based
on
site
plans,
elevations
materials
submitted,
and
discussions
heard
during
this
review.
We
find
that
the
project
meets
the
intent
of
the
downtown
design
guidelines,
but
we
would
like
to
subject
it
to
the
following
conditions:
number
one
that
they
work
with:
staff
to
meet
the
fenestration
requirements
of
70
percent
of
glass,
composed
of
windows,
doors
and
other
openings
on
a
key
pedestrian
street.
A
She
may
have
gone.
I
saw
kim
hunter
joined
us
kim
aye,
okay,
brian
moffitt
ben
williamson,.
J
A
A
Thank
you,
chair,
matthews,
yes,
so
this
is
2017
hilliard.
This
was
at
your
last
meeting
as
a
informal
review.
Just
as
a
reminder.
This
is
the
location
it
is
between
grove
street
and
ashland
avenue.
A
This
project
is
an
infill
building
of
32
000
square
feet,
four
stories,
all
at
least.
Let
me
go
to
the
and
with
80
units,
there's
no
parking
associated
with
this
project,
but
it
is
providing
bicycle
parking
for
approximately
58
bicycles.
A
So
you
can
see
from
the
landscaping
plan,
there's
a
there's,
a
very
small
if
you'll
remember
it's
like
maybe
two
feet
wide
here
and
then
people
usually
end
up
kind
of
walking
in
the
street.
This
project
will
widen
the
sidewalk
to
a
full
10
feet
for
its
whole
frontage.
It
adds
three
street
trees
and
then
they
are
actually
going
to
finish
out
the
sidewalk
to
the
corner
with
an
eight
foot
sidewalk,
which
is
great
there's
two
areas
here
on
the
property
for
tree
canopy
protection
area.
A
This
project
is
required
to
have
ten
percent
of
the
lot
for
tree
canopy
and
they're,
providing
five
percent
and
the
other
five.
The
other
five
percent
will
be
taken
care
of
through
a
fee
in
lieu.
That
is
a
new
requirement
for
all
the
city,
depending
on
what
district
you're
in
and
what
conditions
you're
in.
A
Somebody
could
mute,
I'm
not
sure
who
that
is,
you
know,
as
indicated
on
the
planes
and
renderings
the
primary
facade
materials.
Are
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
sorry
concrete
the
words
escaping
me,
but
kind
of
dark,
gray,
non-combustible,
material,
simulated,
wood
or
stained
or
painted.
A
We
did
have
a
conversation
at
your
last
meeting
about
the
wall,
material
and
I'll.
Let
brian
talk
about
that.
We
touched
face
about
that
this
week.
A
A
We
only
take
murals
if
they're
going
to
be
city-owned
proper,
like
city-owned,
public
art,
on
public
property
or,
and
that
goes
through
the
public
art
board,
and
we
actually
don't
even
have
guidelines
for
murals.
I
mean,
I
think,
generally
speaking,
we
don't
expect
them
to
be
kind
of
profane
or
you
know
really
objectionable.
A
That
might
be
an
issue,
but
otherwise
we
don't
have
rules
around
that
and
I
did
a
little
bit
of
research
about
other
cities
and
what
they
do
and
we
could
consider
having
some
guidelines.
A
I
don't
know
that
as
a
city,
we
want
to
really
go
too
far
down
that
rabbit,
hole
and
start
trying
to
judge
subjective
art,
and
so
there's
that
in
your
last
discussion
you
also
talked
about
this
fin
up
here
above
the
deck,
and
I
believe
the
owner
wanted
to
keep
that
in
my
stack
report
I
kind
of
outlined
how
it
meets
the
design
guidelines.
A
But
if,
but
we
don't
require
it,
we
have
not
changed
an
ordinance
to
actually
require
that.
So
we
do
ask
if
somebody's
pulling
up
granite,
curb
that
it
gets
turned
over
to
the
city
so
that
the
city
can
use
it
in
another
part
of
downtown
if
you're
not
going
to
use
it,
because
I
know
it
can
be
a
little
bit
more
expensive
process
and
a
higher
skill
level
to
set
the
grand
code.
But
you
know
it
is
a
very
long,
lasting
material.
Obviously
so
downtown
commission
talked
about
this.
A
One
of
the
questions
that
came
up
was
about
noise
dampening
materials
and,
if
maybe
these,
it
might
be
appropriate
for
these
apartments
to
be
designed
to
have
glass.
That's
more
dampening
for
noise.
We
are
in
downtown
and
we
kind
of
know
what
happens
when
people
are
living
downtown
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
events
going
on.
A
Yeah
so,
and
that's
that's
pretty
much
it
I
would.
Madam
chair,
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
asked
questions
or
yeah
karen
craig
nolan
has
your
hand
raised
with
a
question.
D
You
know
I'm
having
trouble
distinguishing
between
what
a
sign
is
and
what
that
logo
is
on
the
side
of
the
building
and
the
mural.
It
looks
to
me
like
signage
or
promotional
signage,
and
the
other
question
is:
how
is
it
that
we're
not
asking
for
any
parking
here.
A
A
All
80
units
are
supposed
to
be
at
80
percent,
ami
or
below,
and
park.
Structured
parking
is
very
expensive
to
provide.
So
I
did
do
some
checking
and
the
buncombe
county
parking
deck.
That's
on
cox
avenue
it's
approximately
a
about
a
third
of
a
mile
away
and
offers
monthly
permits,
and
that
would
really
be
if
somebody
had
a
car
and
they
really
needed
to
have
a
car.
A
That
would
be
the
place
to
put
your
car
and
that's
that's
been
a
long
time
practice
of
a
lot
of
buildings
downtown
in
early
revitalization,
where
the
city
did
build
decks
and
people
got
monthly
parking
permits.
The
city
really
isn't
building
decks
these
days
as
of
late.
A
J
Thank
you
so
not
to
get
too
deep
down
the
rabbit
hole
here,
but
I
think
what
you're
saying
sasha
then
not
necessarily
specifically
for
this
building,
because
I'm
not
trying
to
you
know
target
it,
but
any
time
parking
is
not
implemented.
Then
it
means
that
people
with
different
abilities
are
really
restricted
in
terms
of
their
ability
to
get
mobility
in
and
out,
I
mean
yeah
sure
the
buildings
meeting
ada
requirements,
but
if
your
physical
abilities
require
a
vehicle,
then
there's
a
there's
a
barrier
there.
Potentially,
yes,.
A
Always
a
balance
with
parking
and
disability,
yes
for
sure,
and
so
I'm
not
against
all
parking
by
any
means,
but
I
think
we
just
have
to
it's
one
of
those
issues.
We
have
to
be
careful
about
yeah
and
karen
has
her
hand
up
again,
and
I
would
just
add
that
I
think
it
might.
I
said
to
sasha
earlier
that
it
might
be
something
we
want
to
bring
to
city
council
to
consider.
A
I
think
it's
definitely
putting
some
burden
on
the
city
by
not
having
parking
people
want
to
have
parking,
and
I
I
know
from
having
seen
that
a
lot
of
people
park
in
neighborhoods
adjacent
to
downtown
which
puts
a
burden
on
those
adjacent
neighborhoods.
So
it
may
be
something
to
consider
in
the
future.
But
that
said,
and
robin
has
also
her
hand
raised,
but
let's
karen
first
and
then
robin.
A
B
A
Yes,
sorry
so,
yes,
so
any
part
of-
and
I
don't
have
a
ton
of
experience
with
sign
ordinance-
and
this
is
the
hard
part
of
shannon
not
being
here
so
like
on
this
part
of
the
wall,
where
there
is
this
logo,
and
that
would
count
towards
your
sign
allotment.
And
so
would
this
on
the
front.
But
as
long
as
the
mural
is
not
a
part
of
your
company
logo
and
is
not
advertising
like
products
like
if
you
had.
A
If
this
was
high
high-wire
brewing
and
there
was
a
big
logo
of
a
giant
high-wire
can
of
beer
or
something.
You
know
that
that
would
count
towards
your
sign.
But
if
the
murals,
you
know
somewhat
unrelated
to
the
business
or
what's
going
on
inside,
then
it
doesn't
count.
So
we
would
count
the
the
big
n
and
the
niche
nishan
hillyard
part,
but
the
rest
of
it
wouldn't
count
towards
the
sign.
F
I
I
might
I
I
wondered
if
we
knew
how
long
this
is
going
to
be
affordable.
Is
there
any
indication
on
that.
A
I
would
I
would
ask
the
project
team
to
answer
those
questions
if
you
all
are
ready
to
turn
it
over
to
them,
because
I
probably
didn't
cover
absolutely
everything.
E
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
the
question,
so
the
design
team
can
get
into
it
a
couple
more
things
somewhat.
Design
related
that
we
got
into
at
the
downtown
commission
was
regarding
one
following
best
practices
on
the
tree:
planting
standards
based
on
the
discussions
that
the
working
group
has
been
having
regarding
sharing,
basically
soil
between
the
trees
and
the
other,
is
on
site
lighting
on
on
addressing
lighting
along
the
street
and
how
the
how
the
building
is
being
lit.
And
then
I've
got
a
couple
more
little
nitpicky
things
on
design.
E
But
we
can
do
that
once
brian
and
company
get
started.
A
I
Yeah
you
can,
you
can
continue
navigating
that's
fine,
so
yeah,
I'm
thank
you
everyone.
My
name
is
brian
cook,
I'm
an
architect
with
macmillan,
thousand-smith
architecture
and
yeah.
Some
of
the
questions
I
think,
is
starting
with
this
image.
Looking
at
at
the
logo.
To
be
honest,
that's
really
just
a
a
preliminary
proposed
spot
for
it,
but
yeah
the
the
mural
is
not
intended
to
be
part
of
the
logo,
so
that
would
be
a
separate
thing
and
then
obviously
be
reviewed
during
the
signed
permit
application
process.
I
I
guess
just
to
address
a
couple
of
the
other
comments
I
mean
I
think
as
far
as
parking
you
know,
I
mean,
as
far
as
you
know,
udo
and
unicode.
It's
it's
not
required,
so
we're
not
providing
it
and
we're
looking
at
this
as
really
being
more
of
a
you
know:
pedestrian
oriented
bike,
oriented
facility
and
and
sasha,
I
think,
like
you
said,
the
the
the
county
parking
deck
is
two
blocks
away
and
has
over
you
know
a
couple
hundred
parking
spaces
available.
I
There's
also
there's
also
a
number
of
surface
parking
lots
within
within
half
a
block
from
this
building.
That
also
has
availability.
So
there
there
are,
there's
pl,
there's
plenty
of
available
parking
available
for
rent
in
the
vicinity.
I
As
far
as
some
of
the
sight
walls,
I
think
we
had
talked
about
last
week,
there's
some.
There
were
some
comments
of
wanting
to
understand
more
more
of
the
intent
of
what
those
are.
We
are
looking
at
at
those
all
as
being
matching
the
building,
as
as
I
think
some
of
you
had
has
suggested
so
yeah,
so
so
making
that
material
match
the
building.
I
You
know
we
are
looking
at
that
as
being
a
polished,
cmu
block
and,
and
then
the
the
base
of
the
building
is
a
combination
of
polished,
cmu
and
brick.
So
you
know
all
the
mason
all
masonry
materials.
I
And
yeah
and
then
was
it.
What
was
brian,
I
think
brian
moffitt
had
another
question,
a
comment.
E
Two
questions
brian:
we
we
we
discussed
one's
just
that's
really
for
warren
and
company
on
getting
with
the
working
group
on
following
best
practices
on
the
street
trees
and
getting
appropriate
soil
volume
based
on
the
new
recommendations
that
we're
going
to
be
coming
out
with
that's
that's
simple:
that's
all
underground,
too
the
silver
cells
and
and
tree
grates.
The
other
one
was
regarding
and
and
kim.
E
If
you
want
to
talk
to
this
a
little
bit
really
regarding
sight
lighting
street
the
the
sidewalk
lighting
providing
appropriate
light
from
the
building
and
or
if
there's
gonna
be,
I
mean
we're
really
pleased
from
the
downtown
commission
really
really
pleased
with
the
sidewalk
work
and
and
widening
that
sidewalk
and
giving
us
a
sidewalk.
We
didn't
really
have
before
so
kudos
to
your
project
and
team
for
that.
But
with
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
as
as
good
as
sidewalk
lighting
as
we
can.
I
Right,
yes,
and
and
brian,
I
I
completely
agree
with
that.
I
think
I
think,
for
you
know,
for,
for
our
from
our
side.
We'd
also
want
to,
you
know,
provide
safety
to
the
building
into
the
building
occupants.
I
So
so
I
think
we
will
be
looking
at
building
lighting,
significant
building
lighting
that
that
helps
illuminate
the
you
know,
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
building,
not
only
for
people
walking
on
the
sidewalk,
but
also
just
up
against
the
building
where
we
have
the
planner.
You
know
so
that
there's
there,
the
people
that
live
in
those
units
on
that
first
floor
also
feel
secure.
E
Right
outside
their
window,
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
too
much
for
kim,
but
at
least
in
in
our
group
we
were
thinking
of
even
you
know.
Are
there
going
to
be
a
lot
basically
light
poles
included
going
up
to
the
grove
street
intersection.
I
K
Yeah
right
right
now,
brian
and
kim,
I
don't
think,
there's
intentions
to
have
additional
light
poles.
We
certainly
will
work
with
the
city
and
duke
and
lighting
design
if
we
need
to
on
it,
but
we're
certainly
hoping
to
try
to
keep
sort
of
the
impacts
of
that
to
the
to
the
building
frontage
and
a
couple
things
I
didn't
want
to
jump
in
until
it
became
my
turn.
So
I
would
mention
some
of
that
bicycle
parking.
We
brian
correct
me
we're
around
58
to
maybe
60
mark
bicycle
parking
spaces
at
this
spot.
D
K
And
for
this
group
to
know
too,
we
were
able
to
come
out
of
the
meeting
with
you
guys
last
time,
the
informal
and
the
trc,
and
we
had
a
good
follow-up
with
city
transportation
on
not
only
that
sidewalk,
but
also
the
bicycle
lane
through
there.
The
vehicle
lanes
some
re-striping
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
we
can
continue
all
those
discussions,
and
I
know
things
like
the
silver
cell.
The
the
plantings
as
well
as
the
lighting
can
all
be
further
discussed.
K
I
know
you
know
we
want
to
be
careful
that
it's
safe,
but
not
also
obtrusive
to
both
drivers
and
walkers,
so
we'll
we'll
happily
work
with
everybody,
but
right
now
we're
not
intended
to
add
new
parking.
Our
light
poles
unless
there's
needs
that
this
building
can't
can't
provide.
A
Brian,
I
don't
know
if
you
would
be
able
to
address
the
question
that
was
raised
by
robin
on
the
affordability,
the
length
of
affordability.
I
Yeah,
I
can't
give
a
you
know
a
complete
answer
on
this.
You
know
thinking
looking
into
the
future,
but
I
mean
as
of
right
now,
the
the
the
the
intent
of
of
rent
for
these
for
these
units
meets
or
exceeds
the
80
ami,
and
this
will
be
100
of
the
units
now
again
because
that's
based
on
the
ami,
as
as
that
comes
out
at
you
know
different
periods
over
years.
I
I
think
you
know
it
would
it
would
be
within
that
range,
but
but
we
I,
I
don't
think
we
could
guarantee.
You
know
that
that
that
might
that
that
would
change
five
ten
years
down
the
line.
J
Yeah,
I
don't
it's
not
a
question.
I
just
want
to
be
mindful
of
the
project.
I
think
it's
kind
of
groovy.
I
think
when
we
continue
to
talk
about
just
able-bodied
people.
I
recognize
this
product
is
for
just
able-bodied
people,
but
not
everybody
is
a
cyclist
or
can
walk.
So
I
just
want
to
keep
that
in
mind,
because
this
particular
stretch
of
street
has
a
lot
of
wheelchair
chair
users.
J
So
I'm
not
sure
if
everyone's
aware
of
that,
especially
as
a
developer
builder,
but
keep
in
mind
that,
even
though
the
building
itself
is
designed
for
able-bodied
persons,
a
host
of
folks
who
are
not
use
what's
in
front
of
that,
so
thanks.
K
Hey
this
is
warren
again
yeah.
Certainly
we
can.
We
can
work
with
the
city.
Public
works
on
that
find
out
what
additional
granite
they
have
around
I'm
zooming
into
it.
Now
it
does
look
very
like
there
is
some
granite,
that's
in
some
levels
of
failed
condition
and
some
of
it's
still
in
good
condition.
So
we're
happily
it
worked
with
public
works
on
it.
L
A
I
Yeah
I
mean
as
of
right
now
we
are
showing
a
a
a
a
more
of
a
retaining
wall.
That's
going
to
be
there
since
it
does
drop
down
a
couple
feet
from
our
level
to
the
hot
spots
parcel
so
that
again,
that
would
be
a
decorative
block
as.
A
B
I
Yeah
but
we're
still
kind
of
going
back
and
forth
as
to
whether
you
know
we'd
want
to
put
some
sort
of
screening
the
more
privacy
screening
you
know
for
those
units
below
and
and
again.
If,
if,
if
we
go
that
route,
it
would
be
more
of
a
decorative
perforated
screening
panel.
E
I
want
to
nitpick
just
a
couple,
quick
things.
If
I
can
so,
I
still
think
the
front
entrance.
I
saw
that
you
put
a
opaque
film
on
the
storefront
glass
of
the
stair
exit
of
your
fire
fire
exit.
I
still
feel
like,
though,
I'm
reading
a
couple
of
front
entrances
that
that
exit
reads
very
much
as
a
another
entrance
and
considering
it's
it's
kind
of
the
one
that
you
hit.
First,
as
you
walk
from
downtown,
I
I
just
feel
like
that
needs
to
be
de-emphasized
and
then
and
or
that
front
entrance.
E
The
main
entrance
needs
to
be
better
emphasized
and
I'm
still
not
sold
on
your
wing.
Sorry,
it's
just
I
I
want
to
either
see
it
more
and
I
want
to
see
it.
You
know
be
be
something
else.
I
don't
know
it
just
it.
It
still
feels
like
it's
kind
of
tacked
on
up
there,
a.
I
Little
like
it,
I
appreciate
it
yeah
I
mean,
as
far
as
addressing
the
the
the
the
entry
pieces
I
mean,
even
though
yes
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill,
that
is
a
entry
into
the
stairwell.
I
It's
also
I
mean
it's
mostly
an
exit,
but
it
could
also
be
an
entry
for
for
residents.
My
feeling
with
this
building
is
that
there
is
no
public
commercial
or
retail
space,
so
the
people
that
are
that
are
activating
are
there
they're
using
the
building.
Are
our
residents
so
they're
familiar
with
where
the
entry
is
and
where
the,
where
the
exit
is?
So
I
I
don't.
I
I
don't
feel
that
there
needs
to
be
for
for
this
this.
This
building,
in
particular
a
strong
of
a
a
entry
designation.
E
Buildings
change
function
through
the
years
and
this
building
is
going
to
be
a
100
year
building,
we
hope
I'm
sitting
in
asheville,
and
so
it
could,
it
could
undergo
a
a
variety
of
uses
in
its
lifespan.
Like
we've,
you
know
we
just
reviewed
one.
That's
been,
I
don't
know
how
many
different
uses.
I
know
lots
of
people
that
have
been
at
39
patent
at
different
phases
of
its
of
its
existence.
E
So
when
we
talk
about
design
organization,
when
we
talk
about
these
design,
we're
trying
to
do
good
design,
that
is
not
just
for
this
use
and
so
that
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
addressing
so
I
agree
with
brian
that
that
that,
for
the
current
use,
that
is,
that
is
true,
and
that
is
correct.
But
you
know
in
the
future:
20
25
30
40
50
years
from
now,
when
it
changes,
you
know
that
that
might
that
might
not
apply
anymore
anyway,
I'll
quit
I'll
quit
harping
on.
A
If
not,
is
there
anyone-
oh
kim
oh
kim,
agrees
with
brian?
So
if
anybody
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
E
So
we've
we've
reviewed
the
this.
According
to
the
design
review
guidelines,
we've
discussed
earlier
that
it
meets
the
recommendations
for
for
for
the
for
the
wall
materials.
It
meets
the
recommendations
for
fenestration
for
building
organization.
E
E
We
we
understand
that
we
are
not
at
this
time
reviewing
the
mural
or
the
signage
in
the
building,
we're
just
reviewing
the
building
as
it's
presented,
and
so
with
that,
I
would
like
to
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
217
hilliard
avenue
project
as
presented
based
on
site
plans,
elevations
and
materials
submitted,
and
the
discussions
heard
during
this
review.
E
A
A
G
Hi,
this
is
david
moritz,
I'm
one
of
the
developers,
so
we
as
developers
see
a
a
need
for
housing.
That's
reasonably
priced
in
asheville,
we're
building
this
project
to
help
address
that
issue
by
providing
reasonably
priced
units,
and
we
think
we
can
address
that
by
making
this
project.
However,
this
just
to
be
clear.
This
is
going
to
be
a
market
rate
project
and,
however,
based
on
the
rents
that
we
are
looking
to
charge,
they
would
currently
be
below
what
would
effectively
be
the
80
ami
qualification
by
the
city.
G
A
So
dave
a
question
when
you
say
it's
affordable,
it's
affordable,
based
on
the
square
footage
market
rate.
G
It's
not
based
on
the
square
footage.
There's
a
there's
a
chart
that
the
city
provides
that's
based
on
a
studio
apartment.
A
A
A
I
will
just
say
about
this:
is
that
we
don't
have
affordable
housing
requirements
if
they
choose
to
pursue
a
land,
use,
incentive,
grant
or
luigi,
then
generally,
usually
those
agreements
for
those
affordable
units
are
for
20
years.
You
know,
we've
got
you
know
if
we're
putting
money
into
something
and
we've
got
requirements
over
it.
Otherwise
we
have
no
requirements
I'll
just
say
that
okay.
A
E
D
Yeah,
I'm
here
I'm
voting.
I.
A
C
A
D
Can
I
just
make
a
comment
jane
sure,
karen
go
ahead,
you
know
we
have
so
little
to
dig
our
teeth
into
with
the
design,
review
and
there's
guidelines
that
we
have
from
the
city
and
they
the
applicants
have
to
bring
so
little
definite
information
to
us.
D
D
You
know.
We
don't
really
know
what
the
mural
is
going
to
look
like
and
we
I
I
don't
know
it
just
doesn't
seem
like
we
have
a
lot
of
of
facts
to
prove
or
disapprove
and
we're
you
know
we're
going
on
faith.
I
mean
I
went
into
this
project,
thinking
that
it
was
an
affordable
project.
E
But
this
this
is
a
this.
Is
the
design
review
board,
so
our
purview
is
over
design
issues,
not
necessarily
over
policy
issues,
which
would
be
what
the
affordable
housing
component
would
be
or
when
we
get
into
hotels.
You
know
things
like
that:
we're
really
just
focusing
on
design
and
at
this
stage
of
the
project
they
provided
that
now,
karen
I'm
going
to
use
your
comment
to
echo
and
amplify
yes
design
review
standards
yesterday.
Thank
you.
A
A
E
That's
a
great
that's,
a
great
point
sasha.
So
in
our
other,
my
previous
life.
As
on
the
historic
resources
commission,
we
had
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
that
that
delineated.
This
is
what
they
agreed
to
provide
right.
It
was
based
on
these
documents,
but
then
we
wrote
it
out
and
then,
if
someone
went
out
during
construction-
and
it
was
different,
then
they
could
they
could
come
to
us
and
they
would
either
have
to
amend
it
or
they'd
get
a
notice
of
violation.
What
is
the
process
if
it
changes
and
who
decides
that.
A
Usually,
that's
that's
happening
at
a
staff
level.
Sometimes
we
think
we
see
designs
go
stay,
the
same
all
the
way
through,
like
p
and
z
and
then
even
maybe
even
final
trc,
because
they
have
to
come
back
through
technical
review
after
pnz
in
downtown
and
then
maybe
something
changes
they
find
something
out
and
then
like
in
a
year
from
now,
all
of
a
sudden.
They
want
to
change
something,
and
I
guess
there's
a
decision
point
we
we
will
look
like.
A
Is
this
a
substantial
change
so
there's
some
kind
of
threshold
there
that
we
have
to
make
a
decision
about,
and
sometimes
it's
we
try
to?
Maybe
use
math
right
like
so
did
something
change
more
than
10
or
are
there
you
know?
Sometimes
it's
a
landscaping
change
yeah.
So
I
don't
have
a
super
clear
answer
for
you
all,
but
and
shannon
would
be
better
to
answer
that
question,
but
it
does
happen.
I
had
a
building
change
where
people
took
out.
Thank
you
kim
really.
A
I
had
a
building
change
where
they
took
out
two
floor.
They
had
a
parking
deck
in
the
middle
of
the
building
and
they
took
that
out
or
if
us,
you
know,
if
a
big
style
change
happened,
we
would
bring
that
back.
Sometimes
we
bring
things
back
just
more
to
inform.
A
commission
like
this
is
a
minor
change,
that's
happening.
We
want
to
let
you
know
so.
D
Since
there
there
is
an
agreement,
I
think
with
the
commissioners
for
the
design
review
that
we
need
stronger
guidelines.
Can
you
tell
me
the
status
of
where
the
city
is
with
providing
those
stage?
I
see
you're
laughing.
C
Oh,
oh,
no,
I'm
not
laughing.
I'm
smiling
because
I
believe
they
are
desperately
in
need
of
update.
But
to
your
point
you
know
we
have
been.
I
think
you
know
before
my
role.
Currently
I
was
on
the
downtown
commission
for
a
very
long
time
and
we
were
consistently
recognizing
it
as
one
of
our
primary
needs,
and
I
continue
to
echo
that
to
my
fellow
councilwoman
and
city
staff,
as
we
talk
about
budgets
didn't
make
it
this
year,
maybe
next
year.
C
I
think
there
was
an
estimate
of
three
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
actually
do
that
and
300
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
right.
So
it's
an
important
document.
I
don't.
A
To
can
we
make
amendments
to
the
design
guidelines?
Yes
and
yes,
we
could-
and
I-
and
I
did
you
know-
we
did
start
a
process
a
few
years
ago
and
brian
was
a
part
of
that
and
a
number
of
people
who've
kind
of
rotated
off
since,
but
we
kept
all
our
notes
from
those
meetings
and
we
can
make
amendments,
I
think
the
300
to
500
000
sage
is
the
udo
it's
not
designed
to.
A
This
number
seems
slightly
higher.
I
think
that's
the
udo
I'd
apply
if
it
were
that
much
yeah
yeah,
but.
A
And
we
could
definitely
sometimes
I
look
at
them
and
I
think
gosh,
if
I
could
just
take
three
days
and
we
could
just
do
a
charade
almost
and
look
like,
let's
just
workshop
like
what
are
the
major
problems
here
and
kind
of
get
those
adopted.
And
frankly,
I
think
if
it's
still
the
way
it
was
five
years
ago,
it's
not
even
a
council
action.
It
may
just
be
able
to
be
adopted
by
this
group,
but
I'm
not
sure
about
that.
Now.
A
A
Back
with
you
with
a
better
update
next
month,
so
I
can
add
that
too
okay,
we
have
one
more
project
on
our
list
for
today
it's
61
biltmore
avenue.
A
A
This
project
is
on
just
under
an
acre.
This
project
was
planned
for
a
number
of
years
ago
and
was
a
part
of
the
conditional
zoning
that
happened
with
the
aloft
project
at
city
council.
It's
an
eight
new,
eight
story.
Forty
six
thousand
six
hundred
square
foot
building
condominium
addition,
so
you
know:
there's
different
condos
really
on
this
property,
there's
the
parking
deck
that
the
city
owns,
there's
the
a
loft
hotel
and
then
there's
this
hotel,
so
it
would
contain
115
new
rooms
plus
a
lobby.
An
amenity
space.
A
Shannon
is
the
planner
and
she
couldn't
be
here
today,
but
it
she
she's,
found
that
the
project
does
comply
with
all
the
udo
requirements,
including
the
50
of
having
a
storefront
when
you
combined
with
all
the
other
uses
in
the
building,
and
they
have.
There
have
been
a
couple
of
changes
to
this
building
since
you've
seen
it,
and
if
I
don't
do
a
good
job
I'll
ask
lindsay
the
architect
to
cover
that.
A
The
idea
here
is
to
close
this
driveway
on
biltmore,
which
is
an
alley.
This
is
a
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
it's
a
it's
a
private
alley,
but
it's
it's
publicly
accessible.
A
The
city
doesn't
maintain
it
to
my
knowledge,
so
there
would
be
a
new
curb
here,
so
this
would
be
a
pedestrian
way
through
the
block,
which
is
great
because
we
have
such
long
blocks
in
some
parts
of
our
downtown.
A
They
are
requesting
a
new
loading
zone
and
this
would
actually
be
to
help
the
wine
store
here,
and
I
guess
this
is
67
biltmore,
because
they
would
be
losing
the
loading
capability
here.
On
this
back
alley,
I
mean,
then
that
is
a
pedestrian
improvement
to
have
less
driveways
along
biltmore.
There
is
also
staff
and
the
team
are
exploring
putting
these
street
trees
into
this
island.
Here,
it's
not
really
an
island,
but
this
extension
we
don't
have
a
definite
answer.
Yet
if
that
can
happen,
this
biltmore
is
a
d.o.t
street.
A
I
don't
have
the
site
the
thing
pulled
up,
but
sorry
there
is
an
elevator
here
in
this
corner
of
this,
and
that
would
be
an
exit
there.
A
Also
another
update,
since
you
saw
this
for
your
informal
review-
was
that
they've
changed
the
colors
slightly
of
the
building
and
made
it
a
little
bit
of
a
darker
gray,
which
does
help
differentiate
this
building
from
the
rest
of
the
aloft
building
staff
thinks
this
is
an
appropriate
response.
A
They've
provided
a
materials
board
that
was
in
your
folder
and
sorry.
Let
me.
A
A
Brian
actually
gave
a
presentation
to
the
downtown
commission
a
number
of
years
ago
that
you
know
with
new
buildings,
either
you're
doing
contextual
buildings.
Are
you
doing
things
that
kind
of
stand
out
and
are
differentiated,
and
so
this?
Clearly
this
is
a
differentiated,
more
modern
building,
which
is
really
refreshing,
and
I
think
it
fits
in
great
with
our
downtown
the
down.
The
downtown
commission
did
review
this
project
last
friday
and
they
had
an
appreciation
for
the
industrial
design.
A
They
were.
They
felt
really
good
about
having
this
pedestrian
connection
and
the
opportunity
for
art
along
that
alley,
and
there
was
a
discussion
about
a
mid-block
crossing
on
bill,
moore
which
again
is
a
dot
street,
and
so
that
gets
a
little
more
complicated
and
and
also
a
question
was
raised
about
how
to
minimize
impact
to
transit
users
during
construction,
which
is
definitely
something
that
staff
looks
at
when
we.
We
have
pre-construction
meetings
with
the
design,
team
and
contractors
when
they're
getting
ready
to
start
staging.
A
A
E
Question
at
the
downtown
commission,
we
we
did
mention
a
couple
things.
I
think
one
again
best
practices
for
the
new
street
trees
to
appropriate
sight
lighting
for
the
sidewalk
and
for
that
private
alley,
and
then
I
think
we
also
mentioned
something
about
that.
We
really
hoped
that
the
transit
station
would
be
redesigned,
so
it
would
be
more
congruent
with
the
new
building
or
something
because
that
just
doesn't
look
right
and
then
I've
got
some
issues
with
the
mural
and
everything
shown
as
as
it
looks
on
the
screen
here.
B
A
I
have
a
question,
but
I
can
wait
for
the
architect
to
make
comments
or
presentation.
They
would
like
to
make.
M
Okay,
thank
you.
Well,
at
the
last
informal
meeting
we
did
receive
positive
feedback
about
our
design
concept
and
we
were
happy
to
hear
that
we
also
have
a
number
of
stakeholders
in
this
project
to
have
and
want
to
say
a
lot
about
what
we're
doing,
not
the
least
of
which
is
the
franchise
franchise
organization.
Marriott
marriott
is
very
positive
about
where
we
are
from
a
design
point
of
view
right
now
concerning
the
mural.
This
is
a
placeholder
on
the
other
end
of
the
aloft
hotel.
M
There
is
also
a
mural
that
was
the
subject
of
a
competition
sponsored
by
the
developer
and
we're
envisioning
a
more
developed
process
to
determine
what
we're
going
to
do
at
this
end
of
the
building.
But
this
is
a
placeholder
to
show
we
do
want
to
use
a
mural
to
build
life
and
activity
to
that
otherwise.
Blank
wall
of
the
building
at
the
last
meeting,
suggestion
was
also
made
that
we
needed
to
use
the
hardscape
patterns
of
sidewalk
treatment
that
are
common
to
the
city
standards,
and
we
do
intend
to
do
that.
M
M
We
do
have
a
complete
sidewalk.
We
have
a
cafe
that
fronts
completely
onto
the
sidewalk
and
wind.
We
will
have
opening
areas
where
the
storefront
will
open
up
and
allow
the
sidewalk
to
be
a
part
of
the
inside
of
the
building.
Those
will
have
knee
walls
along
the
face,
so
pedestrians
can't
walk
in
anywhere.
They
want,
they
would
come
through
the
front
vestibule
entrance.
M
M
M
M
Yeah
here
we
go
one
more
down:
shannon
yeah,
still
one
more
down
one
floor,
lower
that
went
up.
M
M
We
have
glazing
systems
that
would
be
operable
and
able
to
open
so
that
you've
got
airflow
the
inside
and
the
outside
are
connected
more
in
that
regard,
the
inside
lobby
area
would
have
a
coffee
shop,
slash
bar
area,
and
this
is
also
in
the
branding
of
this
hotel
as
guests
come
in
and
actually
register
at
the
bar,
or
they
carry
their
cell
phone
and
have
pre-registered
and
can
access
directly
into
the
upper
levels
of
the
hotel.
M
Here
there
is
an
extension
of
the
lobby
area
on
the
next
floor,
above
where
the
public
areas
of
the
hotel
are
are
available
to
guests
for
use
for
more
private
meetings.
That's
this
level!
We
have
this
opening
that
connects
these
two
floors,
but
this
will
be
an
important
part
of
the
public
space.
The
hotel
also
fully
opened
to
the
street
out
to
the
front.
M
All
of
our
public
areas
are
on
the
top
floor,
so
one
of
these
elevators
will
open
onto
this
pedestrian
alley.
So
that
guests,
who
want
to
go
to
the
top
floor,
don't
have
to
come
through
the
hotel
and
compete
with
other
guests
for
the
access
to
the
upper
parts
of
the
building,
but
instead
they
can
come
all
the
way
up
to
the
top
floor
where
our
rooftop
bar
and
restaurant
is
to
be
located.
M
M
A
A
E
A
couple
couple
things
I'm
not
sure
if
I
can
even
yeah,
I
can
see
them
so
there's
these
little
diagonal
privacy
walls,
kind
of
right,
yeah
right
up
in
there.
I
see
them
even
better
on
this
image
that
you
just
did
on
the
upper
area
yeah.
What
are
those.
E
M
Oh,
it
would
be
an
opaque
glazing
system.
E
Okay,
so
it's
going
to
be
in
the
same
language
of
the
other
other
items
that
you
have
there.
It
would
just
be
opaque
instead
of
translucent
correct
all
right-
and
I
heard
you
say:
you're
you're,
pursuing
an
encroachment
permit
for
the
new
canopy
and
that
little
podium
or
whatever,
to
access
the
service
elevator
on
on
the
side.
E
I
this
this
leave
it
right
there
sasha
right
now,
if
you
don't
mind
that
this
edge
of
the
building
is
just
not
as
well
developed,
I
guess
all
all
the
design
energy
has
been
on
the
facade
really
and
when
you
turn
the
corner
and
wrap
around
and
what
I
see
in
that
alley,
it's
just
kind
of
a
it's
just
a
blank
wall.
I
mean
it.
E
Just
I
don't
know
it's
it's
it's
like
a
you
just
stopped
designing
there
and
you
drew
some
horizontal
lines
to
connect
everything
and
slapped
some
different
colors
on
it
and
called
it
a
day.
Is
there
any
way
to
get?
I
I
realize
that,
that's
you
know
elevators
and
things
like
that,
but
the
facade
itself
just
seems
incredibly
blank
and
I
realize
you're
planning
on
doing
a
mural
to
address
part
of
that
blank
wall.
But
boy,
that's
a
it's
a
very
prominent
blank
wall
and,
as
I
drive
up
biltmore
avenue,.
M
M
That's
a
kind
of
a
premium
elevator
treatment,
but
not
out
of
the
question
which
would
allow
glazing
here,
but
this
building
is
probably
all
together
above
70,
transparent,
glazing,
having
a
break
of
solid
wall
surface
is
not
all
bad
just
to
give
it
some
substance
give
it.
E
A
E
Yeah,
partly
it
just
I
mean
the
the
the
aloft
has
a
lot
of
opaque
wall
as
well.
You
know,
especially
as
you
go
around
the
other
other
other
side.
It
just
doesn't
seem
like
it's.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
pull
some
of
the
detailing
that
you've
done
on
the
front,
not
necessarily
the
glass
kind
of
around
that
corner.
E
I
realize
you're
you're
up
against
your
property
line
it
just
it's
a
very
flat
wall,
there's
very
little
going
on.
There's
no
relief
in
the
materials,
it
just
seems
less
designed
than
than
your
front
facade.
M
You
know
a
thought
occurs
to
me
as
you're
discussing
this.
We
have
these
bands,
which
can
be
articulated
with
vertical
vertical
striation,
alternating
band
sections,
so
that
you
do
start
to
get
some
texture
and
some
feel
to
those
surfaces.
E
Yeah
yeah,
you
see
you
see
kind
of
what
I'm
saying.
I
mean
that's
just
such
a
prominent
piece.
I
I
realize
that
they're,
you
know,
I
mean
50
years
from
now.
There'll
probably
be
a
building
in
front
of
this,
but
I
really
see
this
on
peace.
A
lot
coming
up,
biltmore
avenue.
I
walk
in
this
area
all
the
time
and
it
just
feels
like
that
part
of
the
building
that
corner
of
the
building
especially
could
use.
E
Oh
any
movement
on
I
know
this
is
a
city-owned
transit
station,
but
are
you
folks
open
to
trying
to
do
a
quick
design
for
a
transit
station
that
would
be
more
in
keeping
it's
just
so
prominent
sitting
out
in
front
of
it,
and
I
really
wish
it
looked
more
like
your
building.
M
Yes,
our
the
developer
for
the
project
asked
for
that
made
that
suggestion
way
early
in
the
project
and
yes,
the
door
is
wide
open
for
improving
that
transit
station.
A
Sasha,
I
we
had
a
request
from
eric
rowan
to
speak,
but
I
this
is
just
time
for
the
commission
members
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
an
applicant
or
not
he's
a
part
of
the
applicant
team.
Yes,.
L
I
was
just
gonna
clarify
to
brian
that
those
dividers
they
actually
are
supposed
to
be
translucent.
L
If
you
go
down
and
look
at
the
ac
hotel,
we
have
very
similar
designers
and
buck
designed
those
as
well,
because
we're
trying
to
make
those
balconies
open
and
airy,
but
still
allow
a
little
bit
of
privacy.
That's
all.
A
L
But
can
speak
to
that.
I'm
not
100
sure.
M
F
A
Not
a
lawyer,
but
without
a
quorum,
I
don't
know
that
you
can
vote
on
it
yeah
you
know,
and
frankly
I
will
say
that,
given
that
this
is
a
hotel
and
your
positive
vote
is
required
to
move
forward.
I
was
wondering
about
this.
This
whole
discussion
that
just
took
place
about
the
wall
and
mr
lindsey
being
very.
I
guess
we
can
do
that.
It
seems
like
you
all
would
want
to
see
that
before,
because.
A
C
M
Might
it
be
possible
to
pull
the
present
members
and
pull
the
absent
members
separately.
A
So
here's
what
I'll
say
I
think
what
we
could
do
is
we
could
if
the
drc
members
were
willing
to
have
another
meeting
say
maybe
next
early
next
week
or-
and
we
could
be
very
short
just
to
review
you
know
and
take
the
vote.
We
we
put
our
legal
ad
and
I'm
hopefully,
shannon
won't,
kill
me
when
she
comes
back,
but
we
do
our
legal
ad
next
week
and
wait.
Let
me
look
at
my
calendar,
I
think
that's
possible.
We
could
do
a
short
public
meeting
next
week
with
appropriate
notice.
A
E
A
A
A
E
A
I
mean,
I
guess
you
could
do
it
as
a
condition
and
and
have
them
come
back
to
another
meeting,
but
it's
let
them
keep
going
forward.
J
E
I'm
going
to
make
the
motion
real
fast
kimmy
we're
going
to
get
your
eye
first,
all
right,
ready
set.
Go,
I
moved
to
recommend
approval
of
the
61
biltmore
building
edition
project
as
presented
based
on
the
site
plans,
elevations
and
materials
submitted,
and
the
discussions
heard
during
this
review.
E
We
find
that
the
project
meets
the
intent
of
the
downtown
design
guidelines,
subject
to
the
following
conditions
that
the
applicant
review,
the
southern
elevation
at
the
corner
of
the
private
alley
in
biltmore
avenue
that
the
applicant
review
the
best
practices
of
the
the
tree
planting
guidelines
and
that
the
applicant
appropriately
address
site
lighting.
F
A
Thank
you
robin
okay,
I'll
just
call
the
roll
for
a
vote.
I
renee
kim
I
okay,
karen
craig
nolan
bye.
B
A
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
the
staff
will
work
with
the
applicant
to
bring
back
some
some
more
detail
on
those
drawings
public
input.
I
think
we're
okay,
okay,
thank
you!
So.
B
B
A
In
front
of
me:
well,
that's
all
we
have
for
today.
I
know
we
have
at
least
one
informal
review
for
next
month,
but
there's
several
other.
A
In
the
wings
but
jane
and
robin,
I
should
work
with
you
in
the
next
few
weeks
just
to
go
over
agenda
stuff,
and
I
should
I
should.
I
need
to
do
a
better
job
with
that.
Okay,
that's
all!
Well,
I
appreciate
all
your
help
today,
especially
and
since
we
have
no
other
business,
if
we
could
have
a
motion,
I
guess
to
return.
A
A
You're,
a
team
all
those
in
favor
just
indicate
by
saying
aye
hi.
Okay,
thank
you
all
today.
Thank
you
all
for
those
who
joined
and
appreciate
and
presented,
appreciate
it
and
see
you
all
soon.
Thank
you.
Everyone.