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And
after
the
meeting
I'll
just
make
sure
to
get
that
signed
and
sent
over
to
you
this
evening,
great.
B
All
right
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
february
2nd
2022
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
for
the
city
of
asheville.
Excuse
me,
my
name
is
joe
archibald
and
I'm
the
current
chair
of
the
commission.
All
commission
members
staff
and
applicants
are
participating
virtually
and
we
appreciate
your
patience
during
this
time
of
virtual
meetings.
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And
using
code
9273,
all
of
this
information
is
listed
on
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
website
for
future
reference.
Please
note
that
all
comments
that
are
received
prior
to
the
meetings
are
shared
with
all
commission
members.
However,
they
may
not
be
read
aloud
individually
during
the
meeting.
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E
C
Commissioner
bubenik
here
and
it
looks
like
commissioner
faircloth
has
not
joined
us,
so
that
is
six
out
of
seven.
So,
mr
chair,
we
do
have
a
quorum.
B
So
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
an
administrative
item.
It
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
on
january.
5Th.
2022
also
included
with
this
minutes,
are
the
approval
of
the
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
regarding
the
48
south
market
street
variants
that
we
heard
and
approved
at
our
last
meeting.
F
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes,
including
the
quasi-judicial
public
hearing
that
we
had.
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B
We
have
two
items
on
our
agenda
that
are
being
postponed.
The
first
one
is
item
number
three,
which
is
a
conditional
zone:
conditional
zoning
for
property
located
at
1001,
patton
avenue,
property
owner
being
ingalls
markets.
B
Okay,
so
that
would
be
item
would
be
continued
to
our
march
2nd
2022
meeting.
Yes,
the
other
item
that
is
being
postponed
or
continued,
I
should
say,
is
item
number
four,
which
is
another
conditional
zoning
for
properties
located
at
273,
291,
long
shoals,
road
and
300
400
julian
shoals,
road
property
owners,
long
shoals
partners,
weaverville
shopping
center
and
long
shoals
development
bojo.
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B
Sorry
about
that,
can
I
get
a
motion
to
continue
those
two
agenda
items.
G
C
B
Okay,
do
another
roll
call
vote,
commissioner
faircloth.
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C
And
I,
if
we
could
just
note
for
the
record
that
commissioner
barton
has
joined
us
now,
so
we
have
a
full
quorum.
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B
On
to
the
one
remaining
conditional
zoning
for
this
evening,
request
to
conditionally
rezone
multiple
properties
located
at
six
363
hilliard
avenue,
32
clingman
avenue,
99999
clingman
avenue,
99999,
hillyard
avenue
and
99999
pearl
street
from
central
business
district
cbd
to
central
business.
District
expansion,
conditional
zone
cbd,
exp
dash
cz
properties
are
identified
as
pins.
B
9648-19-315-3115-3278-4329-3422-4116
four
one,
one:
five,
one:
four:
zero:
five:
three:
nine
one:
six:
two:
zero
five
and
six
one:
two:
five
in
the
buncombe
county
tax
record,
the
property
owners
are
del
rey
at
hilliard,
avenue,
llc
del
rey,
patton
avenue,
llc
and
the
us
postal
service
and
the
applicant
is
daniel.
A
jimenez
planner
coordinating
review
is,
will
palmquist
and
welcome
mr
palmquist.
This
is
your
inaugural
presentation.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
glad
to
be
here
going
to
share
my
screen.
J
I
will
be
giving
the
staff
presentation
for
this
project
is
referred
to
as
the
avery
and
it's
a
conditional
zoning
request
here.
You
can
see
the
existing
zoning
on
the
left,
which
is
cbd,
central
business
district
and
then
the
assemblage
of
nine
parcels
outlined
in
red
that
make
up
the
project
site
located
in
the
downtown
neighborhood
of
asheville
right
outside
of
the
weekend
neighborhood
to
the
southwest
and
then
on.
J
And
here
you
can
see
an
aerial
image
of
the
site
outlined
in
red.
It's
currently
a
couple
kind
of
light:
industrial
type,
businesses
a
parking
lot
and
then
some
mostly
vacant
land
to
the
north
is
a
apartment
project
called
the
patton
which
was
developed
by
this
same
developer.
Team
in
between
that
existing
project
and
the
proposed
one
is
a
u.s
postal
service
fleet
maintenance
facility
to
the
south
which
looks
empty,
is
now
360,
hilliard
apartments
and
then
aston
park
located
also
to
the
south
of
the
project.
J
Site
so
here
is
the
site
plan
for
the
project
and
then
some
highlights
about
it.
The
project
is
broken
up
between
two
different
buildings,
so
this
larger
one
we'll
be
referring
to
and
as
noted
on,
the
plans
is
building
number
one
and
then
a
smaller,
separate
building
in
the
southeast
corner
of
the
site
referred
to
as
building
number
two.
J
So
building
number
one
is
proposed
to
be
five
stories:
mixed
use,
a
total
of
159
residential
units
and
a
combination
of
commercial
space
and
amenities,
slash
leasing,
space
for
the
for
those
residential
units
at
around
14
000
square
feet
or
so
building
number
two
is
proposed
to
be
residential.
Only
at
three
stories,
with
28
residential
dwelling
units
and
of
those
187
residential
units.
5
are
proposed
to
be
affordable
at
80
percent
or
below
area
median
income
in
the
in
the
cbd
district.
J
Access
to
the
parking
lot
and
the
covered
parking
spaces
from
the
right-of-ways
are
from
hilliard
avenue
on
the
south
side
of
the
site
and
then
pearl
street
on
the
east
side
of
the
site,
and
just
note
that
there
are
a
couple
public
alleys
being
proposed
to
be
closed.
J
So
number
of
building
elevations
proposed
this
is
the
south
elevation
of
building
one
along
hilliard
avenue.
You
can
see
the
separate
retail
or
office
spaces
on
the
ground
floor
with
the
residential
units
above.
J
And
then
around
the
corner
on
clingman
avenue
for
building
number
one
is
the
west
elevation
you
can
see.
You
know
it's
a
long
building
and
the
project
team
has
worked.
You
know
really
hard
to
design
it
in
a
way
that
kind
of
breaks
up
the
massing.
We
can
talk
a
little
more
about
that,
but
later
on
I'll
mention
you
can
see
the
different
materials
being
used.
J
You
can
see
the
entrances
being
proposed
at
the
corner
of
clingman
hilliard
and
then
also
multiple
entrances
along
clingman
avenue
and,
like
I
said,
different
material
like
the
brick
veneer
and
fiber
cement,
siding
to
try
to
differentiate
the
different
sections
of
the
building.
J
This
elevation
is
kind
of
around
the
corner
of
the
north
side
of
the
clingman
avenue,
so
this
is
not
visible
directly
from
the
right-of-way,
but
this
would
be
fronting
across
the
existing
alley
to
the
u.s
postal
service
building.
J
J
And
then
around
the
corner
on
pearl
street
elevation,
the
east
elevation-
you
can
see
it's
mostly
brick
veneer
with
different
brick
detailings,
especially
between
the
windows,
a
total
of
three
stories.
J
J
So
you
can
see
the
retail
space
on
the
ground
floor,
mostly
along
hillary
avenue
kind
of
this
main
focal
point
with
the
avery
signage
and
then
further
up,
clingman
avenue,
we'll
I'll
discuss
this
a
little
bit
later
on
too.
But
you
can
see
the
proposed
bike
lane
being
added
between
the
right
turn
lane
and
through
left
lane
on
the
clingman
avenue
and
then
further
in
the
background
is
building
number
two
with
the
driveway
entrance
between
the
two
off
of
hillyard.
J
And
here
you
can
kind
of
see
the
new
entrances
being
added
to
engage
with
the
street
and
help
enliven
the
street
different
kind
of
materials
and
brick
detailing
to
kind
of
add
texture
to
the
to
the
elevation
kind
of
recess
between
different
elements.
To
kind
of
articulate
that
facade,
more
or
less
additional
windows
were
added
over
time
to
the
design
and
the
all
the
balcony
features
that
that
are
proposed
as
well.
J
And
then,
finally,
a
perspective
looking
down
hilliard
avenue
from
the
corner
of
pearl
street
focused
the
corner
of
building
number
two,
the
smaller
residential
only
building.
J
So
you
can
kind
of
see
the
the
ground
floor,
interaction,
these
kind
of
small,
stupid,
porches
kind
of
going
down
the
the
side
of
the
building
to
access
the
units
in
that
building.
J
So,
just
to
kind
of
recap:
the
the
review
process
so
far
for
this
project.
It
was
reviewed
you
know,
informally
by
by
the
downtown
commission,
and
they
gave
feedback
and
comments
at
their
december
10
meeting
and
then
was
provided
just
kind
of
an
informational
update
at
their
january
14
meeting
as
well,
since
downtown
commission
doesn't
technically
review
projects
formally
any
longer.
J
Since
the
design
review
committee
was
created,
the
project's
gone
through
a
few
different
reviews
at
the
design
review
committee
october
was
just
an
informal
review
at
the
december
meeting
was
continued
and
at
the
january
20th
meeting
the
the
committee
consulting
with
the
applicant
voted
to
not
recommend
approval
of
the
project
based
on
that
current
design.
J
Since
that
meeting,
there's
been
kind
of
more
discussion
with
staff
and
some
of
the
committee
members
and
a
new
design
focused
mostly
on
clingman
avenue,
elevation
of
building
number
one
and
also
the
hilliard
avenue
elevation
as
well,
and
a
lot
of
changes
have
been
made,
such
as
the
addition
of
the
entrances
and
the
articulation
of
the
facade,
the
different
materials
and
window
treatments
to
help
break
up
the
massing
of
that
elevation,
and
so
far
we've
heard
feedback
from
three
of
the
designer
review
committee.
J
Members
that
they,
you
know,
would
approve
if
they
were
reviewing
it
today.
They
would
approve
that
that
new
design.
So
it's
definitely
made
a
lot
of
progress
since
the
last
couple
of
reviews,
and
it
will
be
going
back
to
the
design
review
committee
in
in
february.
J
You
know,
regardless
of
the
outcome
of
the
review
tonight,
so
between
planning
and
zoning,
commission
review
and
city
council
review
will
be
going
back
before
the
design
design
review
committee.
Even
if
it's
more
of
an
informal
review
at
that
point,.
J
So,
as
far
as
the
project's
applicability
and
compatibility
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
it
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
of
living,
asheville
comprehensive
plan
by
providing
high
density
mix.
Use
development
that
encourages
responsible
growth
by
providing
infill
development
and
targeted
growth
areas
also
increases
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
options
downtown
and
then,
by
the
improvements
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
bike
lanes.
It
makes
streets
more
walkable,
comfortable
and
connected
by
supporting
multimodal
transportation
and
in
reference
to
the
we
can
citizens
master
plan
adopted
in
2000.
J
It
is
compatible
with
one
of
the
goals
mentioned
in
that
plan,
which
kind
of
envisioned
that
clingman
avenue
between
billiard
and
patent
avenue.
So
the
section
where
this
project
is
is
is
viewed
as
a
mixed-use
residential
commercial
street
and
would
provide
for
the
for
the
neighborhood's
retail
needs,
so
those
those
retail
store,
storefronts
and
other
uses
mixed
use
would
help
to
achieve
the
vision
outlined
in
in
that
plan
as
well.
J
Currently
the
requirement
is
70
percent
street
level.
Openings
along
the
along
the
ground
floor
for
streets
on
key
pedestrian
streets,
which
is
what
clingman
avenue
is
and
then
also
a
modification
for
a
35
percent
street
level,
facade
opening
for
the
pearl
street
elevation
building
number
two,
where
the
requirement
is
fifty
percent
along
pearl
street,
as
it
is
not
a
key
pedestrian
street.
J
Some
other
conditions
outlined
by
the
project
team
of
the
187
total
residential
units.
Five
percent
will
be
affordable
at
or
below
80
ami
for
20
years.
Five
of
the
affordable
units
will
accept
housing,
choice,
hud
vouchers,
as
mentioned
earlier.
J
Hillary
avenue
you'd
have
to
turn
left
on
the
pearl
street,
so
that
left
turn
lane
will
help
to
facilitate
that
turning
movement
and
then
also
you
know
as
as
will
be
and
to
be
agreed
with
the
utility
providers.
J
J
So
therefore,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
conditional
zoning
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
think
we
also
have
members
from
the
project
team
with
us
this
evening
as
well.
B
Great,
thank
you,
mr
palmquist.
Do
any
of
the
commissioners
have
any
comments
or
questions
for
staff
at
this
moment.
B
K
I
will
mr
chairman
wyatt
stevens
for
del
rey
ventures.
It's
a
real
privilege
to
be
back
in
front
of
this
commission,
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
time
and
attention.
I
also
want
to
thank,
will
and
shannon
for
really
all
the
work
they've
done
on
this
project.
You
could
tell
from
the
timeline
there've
been
a
lot
of
meetings
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
interaction
and
it's
been
a
very
iterative
process
and
I
think
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
we
have
a
project
that
is
worthy
of
the
city
of
asheville.
K
I'm
proud
to
be
associated
with
this
project
with
me
this
evening
is
daniel
jimenez,
one
of
the
owners
of
the
family-owned
company
del
rey
ventures
out
of
charlotte
also
warren
sugg
of
civil
design
concepts.
They'll.
Do
the
civil
design
and
engineering
on
the
project.
Mark
ward
is
here,
he's
the
architect
and
they
can
answer
any
questions
you
have
that
are
specific
to
the
design
or
the
or
the
civil
plans
and
so
forth.
We
also
have
jeff
moore.
You
know.
Jeff
is
a
former
traffic
engineer
for
the
city
of
asheville.
K
K
You
know
the
the
data
shows
that
apartment
complexes
like
this
don't
have
a
major
impact
on
the
traffic.
You
know
this
is
a.
This
is
an
important
intersection
and
roadway,
and
it
has
been
designed
in
such
a
way
with
the
right
in
and
right
out
off
of
hilliard
and
then
the
secondary
access
off
of
pearl,
that
the
traffic
flow
should
be
largely
unaffected
by
this
project.
K
K
Go
right
ahead.
Okay,
there
we
go.
K
Okay,
this
is
when
it
shows
up,
so
this
is
exhibit
b.
This
is
the
overview
and
it's
kind
of
helpful
to
think
about
the
history
of
this
part
of
the
city.
K
You
know
up
at
the
top.
Here
is
patton
avenue,
then
there's
clingman
down
here
and
then,
of
course,
hilliard
in
2000,
when
the
weeknd
neighborhood
gathered
together
to
do
the
long
range
planning
that
will
mentioned
earlier.
There
wasn't
much
here
on
the
corner.
Here
was
a
surface
used
car
lot
and
then
the
structures
you
see
here
were
were
there.
You
can
see
this
structure
to
the
left.
K
That's
the
old
volvo
dealership
and
now,
as
as
will
pointed
out,
that
site
is
empty,
it
will
be
the
duke
substation
and
then
moving
down
clingman
across
the
street.
As
will
pointed
out,
that's
the
360
hillyard,
that's
the
the
joint
venture
that
the
city
did
with
the
developer
to
create
a
for
40,
affordable
units
and,
I
believe,
60
percent
market
rate
units-
that's
all
within.
K
Merit
park
development
that
includes
both
their
corporate
offices
as
well
as
affordable,
condos,
those
those
were
established
in
2002
and,
I
would
argue,
helped
spark
the
the
or
or
begin
to
develop
the
vision
that
was
created
by
the
2000
weekend
neighborhood
plan.
K
It's
been
a
real
transformation,
but
this
part
of
the
weekend
neighborhood
really
was
pretty
dormant
for
a
long
time
until
daniel
and
his
family
approached
the
sheley
family,
local
asheville
family,
that
owned
that
surface
slot
up
on
the
corner
of
patton
and
clingman
and
said
you
know
we,
you
know
we
want
to
do
what
we've
done
successfully
in
charlotte
and
they've
now
done
successfully
in
nashville
tennessee.
We
want
to
build
a
high
quality
urban
infill,
multi-family
development,
and
that
became
the
patent
apartments.
K
A
lot
of
people
raised
their
eyebrows
when
they
saw
the
kind
of
investment
that
they
were
willing
to
make
in
that
part
of
town.
But
it's
been
very
successful
and
you
can
you
can
just
sense
that
when
you
walk
on
the
corner,
it's
starting
to
come
alive
in
a
way
that
we
really
needed
to
have
happen
on
that
western
edge
of
downtown
with
the
success
of
the
patent,
though
they
looked
just
to
their
south
and
realized.
K
There
were
all
of
these
parcels.
There's
you
know
you.
You
heard
mr
chairman,
read
each
of
the
pins
out,
there's
like
nine
parcels
they
had
to
assimilate
together
to
try
to
make
this
happen.
It's
it's
a
challenging
sight.
Part
of
it
is
a
brownfield
site.
That
means
it
suffered
from
contamination.
In
the
past
there
it
has
gone
through
regulatory
approval
with
the
state
of
north
carolina.
There
will
be
construction,
expensive
construction
requirements
required
to
ensure
the
health
and
safety
of
this
project
for
multi-family
mixed-use
development.
K
There
is
a
storm
drain
that
delray
and
the
city
of
asheville
joint
ventured
on
to
to
to
replace
and
enhance,
and
it
runs
right
through
the
heart
of
the
site
right
down
here,
where
that
entrance
will
go
on
hilliard
between
the
large
building
and
then
that
small
building
on
the
corner
of
hilliard
and
pearl
street.
K
But
they
don't.
They
don't
want
to
just
build
buildings.
They
want
to
build
nice
buildings
and
they
and
they
want
it,
and
they
want
to
bring
that
part
of
the
weekend
neighborhood
alive
in
a
way
that
it
probably
hasn't
been
in
more
than
50
years.
They
want
to
take
the
power
lines.
You
know
there
are
major
transmission
lines
that
run
along
clingman
around
the
corner
down
here
on
hilliard
that
they're
going
to
bury
those
at
great
expense,
and
they
want
to
create
something
that
I
think
we
can
all
be
proud
of.
K
Now
let
me
pull
those
renderings
real
quickly.
So
when
we
started
this
back
in
the
fall
and
we
went
to
downtown
commission
and
then
the
design
review
committee,
it
was,
it
was
still
a
work
in
process.
K
We
had
sort
of
the
two
dimensional
elevations,
but
not
the
fully
enhanced
renderings
that
you
now
see
on
the
screen
and
and
and
and
frankly,
it
was
not
as
as
developed
in
terms
of
materials
and
architectural
features
that
it
became,
and
I
really
give
both
downtown
commission
and
the
design
review
committee
real
credit
on
on
some
constructive
criticism
that
they
gave
all
the
way
through
each
of
those
meetings.
You
know
when
will
said
that
meetings
were
continued.
K
That
didn't
mean
the
meetings
didn't
happen.
They
happened
and
we
got
input
from
some
very
thoughtful
designers
that
recognize
that,
with
every
new
major
building
in
the
city,
we
need
that
building
to
be
as
good
as
it
can
be,
and
following
the
most
recent
meeting,
the
design
team
literally
spent
the
following
weekend.
This
is
just
like
two
weeks
ago
and
they
made
additional
changes,
will
covered
them
and-
and
we
see
the
result
of
those
changes
here.
This
corner,
I
think,
is
something
we
all
should
be
excited
about.
K
It's
a
you
know
it's
a
thoughtful
way
to
sort
of
draw
people
in
from
a
pedestrian
experience
with
the
ground
level.
Retail
here
so,
rather
than
just
have
a
you
know,
a
box
that
comes
into
a
corner
they're
going
to
spend
real
money
to
add
these
additional
features
here
on
the
corner
and
to
do
that
that
ground
level
retail
there
are
sidewalks
that
exist
on
sidewalk
and
hillary,
but
they're
expanding
that
and
therefore
giving
up
a
fair
amount
of
real
estate.
K
They're
going
to
have
10
foot
sidewalks,
but
they're
also
going
to
have
space
along
the
edges
where
the
residents
and
the
business
owners
and
customers
can
can
engage
and
interact.
One
of
the
coolest
things
that
I
really
give
design
review
committee
credit
on
they
said
do
something
more
with
the
clingman
avenue
elevation.
K
So
they
created
these
little
stoops
here.
That
will
talk
about
and
think
about
how
that
will
engage
and
activate
that
that
what
otherwise
would
be
kind
of
a
long
wall
in
a
really
meaningful
way,
and
you
can
see
the
landscaping
that
will
that
will
be
added
as
well.
We
we
see
this
image
here
of
clingman
and
now
we're
looking
back
from
the
corner
back
down
hilliard,
and
you
can
see
this
bike
lane
that
I
think
will
be
very
functional.
K
The
cyclists
that
we've
talked
to
say
you
know
if
you're
going
down
hillyard
in
that
direction,
you're
rarely
going
to
want
to
go
right
on
to
clingman
up
to
patton.
You
want
to
go
left
to
go
down
hillyard,
and
this
will
enable
that
to
happen.
K
There
is
additionally,
you
can't
see
it
from
this
angle,
but
when
you
get
down
to
pearl
street
headed
east,
if
you
will
there'll
be
a
turn
lane
that
that
will
allow
cars
that
are
turning
into
pearl
street
to
stack
up
a
few
cars
and
that
will
avoid-
or
at
least
mitigate
the
amount
of
of
traffic
back
up
for
eastbound
traffic.
For
folks
that
are
going
to
try
to
pull
in.
K
I
think
personally,
you're
going
to
see
residents
instead
go
up,
klingman,
take
a
right
on
patent
and
then
take
a
right
down
on
pearl
street
to
access,
but
either
way
they
got
a
lot
of
ways
in
and
out
so
you're
not
going
to
have
kind
of
a
jam
up
there
at
any
of
these
access
points,
and
you,
you
know,
you
just
see
something
that
you
can
tell
folks
from
the
weeknd
neighborhood
and
elsewhere
they're
going
to
gravitate
up
to
this
new.
You
know
retail
level.
K
K
We
think
this
is
a
big
step
forward
to
making
that
happen,
and
you
know
there
are
plenty
of
developers
that
would
have
come
in
and
just
done,
multi-family
in
fact,
360
hillary
right
across
the
street.
That's
all
multi-family!
It's
80,
I
think
85,
maybe
86
units,
there's,
there's!
No
retail
retail
is
risky
for
a
developer.
You
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
be
able
to
lease
those
spaces,
I
think
they
will.
K
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
home
run,
but
it
costs
money
and-
and
you
don't
know
until
you
get
the
tenants
in
there
and
they
sign
leases
if
it
will
work,
you
can
see
that
all
over
the
city,
including
in
biltmore
park,
there
are
spaces
that
are
still
not
leased.
It's
challenging,
but
it's
important
to
make
this
a
neighborhood
and
make
it
walkable
and
accessible
this
stoop
right.
Here
we
see
on
the
corner
of
hillyard,
you
know
I
I
I
give
robin
reigns
credit
for
that.
K
She
said
you
know:
have
you
guys
thought
about
adding
a
little
soup
on
that
corner?
That
would
make
it
approachable,
and
so
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
we
added
that
you
see
the
brick.
Brick
is
expensive,
but
brick
is
high
quality
and
we're
we're
a
city
that
celebrates
our
brick
architecture,
and
you
see
that
demonstrated
in
these
in
these
renderings
so
and
then,
and
you
see
the
color
palettes
and
so
forth
that
are
that,
are
you
know
very
intentional?
You
know
we.
K
K
We
sat
down
with
paul
d'angelo,
who
used
to
have
the
affordable
housing
section
for
the
city,
and
we
said
well
what
about
a
land
use
incentive
grant
and
he
said
well:
you'd
have
to
do
20
affordable
and
we
crunched
the
numbers,
and
it
literally
did
not
work
at
20.
We
said
what
about
10.
He
said
I
can't
change
the
rules
and
therefore
you
wouldn't
qualify
for
a
luigi
grant
like
360
hillyard
did
across
the
street.
The
city
both
gave
a
luigi
grant
and
they
sold
that
property
at
below
market
value.
K
K
They
wish
they
could
do
more,
but
under
the
circumstances
I
would
contend
it's
more
than
reasonable
for
them
to
make
that
concession
to
make
this
a
holistic
really
great
project.
So
you
know
I've
talked
probably
more
more
than
I
was
supposed
to,
but
this
is
an
important
project
for
the
city.
It's
gotten
a
lot
of
attention
already
as
it
should.
K
C
B
B
Steems,
I
appreciate
all
of
that
information.
I
know
I
have
a
few
questions
for
the
development
team.
I'm
sure
some
of
the
other
commissioners
do
as
well
so
I'll
I'll.
Let
somebody
else
start,
though,
so.
H
Yes,
I
wanted
to
know
more
about
the
pearl
street
alley.
Wyatt.
You
had
mentioned
that
the
residents
would
have
the
option
of
going
out
that
direction.
Would
they
then
continue
on
to
end
or
would
they?
K
Currently
miss
levi
they,
you
know
there
is
an
access
on
pearl
street
for
the
patent
and
they
actually
have
an
access
into
their
parking
deck.
This
will
be
a
little
farther
down
in
that
regard.
K
And
I'll
let
warren
jump
in
if
I
say
anything,
that's
incorrect
but
yes,
there'll
be
access
into
that
surface
slot.
You
can
see
that
on
on
pearl
street.
C
And,
and
if
I
could
also
just
point
out
too
that
that
entrance
on
pearl
is
useful
for
a
few
reasons,
one
is
it,
it
can
go
straight
out
to
hillyard
avenue
and
you
have
movement
in
either
direction.
Potentially
at
that
intersection,
it
can
also
go
north
all
the
way
up
to
patent,
so
it
does
connect
all
the
way
through
it.
C
And
it
was
just
a
paper
alley.
Well,
if
you
go
back
to
the
ariel,
oh
actually,
yeah,
you
see
it
there
on
the
aerial.
It's
it
really
was.
It
doesn't
really
achieve
anything
because
it
basically
dead
ends
into
another
parcel.
It's
a
little
bit
different
than
the
alley
to
the
north,
which
had
a
little
bit
of
potential
for
connectivity.
C
This
project,
the
way
it's
designed
doesn't
really
allow
for
connecting
through
to
that
alley.
So
it
doesn't
serve
the
same
purpose
that
it
may
have
at
one
time
you
all
are
not
approving
the
closure.
That's
just
a
condition
of
this
project.
So
if,
for
some
reason
the
closure
is
not
approved,
then
we
would
have
to
kind
of
reconsider
and
sit
down
with
the
applicant.
It
may
or
may
not
require
a
reapproval
or
re-review
by
the
commission,
but
but
that
is
a
condition
of
this.
C
The
the
condition,
one
of
the
conditions
that
staff
is
recommending
with
the
closure
of
the
alley
at
the
north
is
that
we
maintain
an
easement
to
pedestrian
easement
through
that
property.
So
we
will
still
have
some
connectivity,
just
not
vehicular
connectivity.
H
B
Mr
palm
quest,
can
you
bring
up
that
the
their
sight
plane
again,
the
one
you
were
just
on,
because
it
does
yeah,
it
does
look
like
there
could
be
pedestrian
connectivity.
In
fact,
I'm
guessing,
that's
probably
a
fire
exit.
I
mean
it
seems
like
there's
going
to
have
to
be
something
out
there,
that
that
uses
that
alley
headed
towards
klingman
yeah.
B
L
J
B
Thing
I
know
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of
talk
or
I
heard
a
couple
of
things.
You
know
the
two
entrances
are
going
to
be
required.
I
know
by
code,
and
I
think
it's
great,
that
the
two
entrances,
or
at
least
there
is
not
an
entrance
on
on
clingman
avenue.
I'll
put
it
that
way.
B
B
I
noticed
that
there
is
an
accessible
parking
space
labeled
right
there
kind
of
right
up
close
to
hilliard,
but
I
wondered
as
far
as
the
parking
spots
that
front
the
side
of
building
two
if
any
consideration
had
been
giving
to
make
to
even
making
that
part
of
it
more
of
a
courtyard
space
as
opposed
to
parking.
You
know,
I
know
you're
dealing
with
the
sewer
line
underneath
of
there
and
you
know
things
that
can't
be
built
on
with
buildings.
B
M
Can
yeah
so
chair?
Yes,
we've
we've
looked
at
this
area
quite
a
bit,
there's
been
as
mr
stevens
and
and
mr
punk
was
had
said:
we've
gone
through
a
lot
of
drc
meetings,
not
only
that,
but
just
with
staff
and
trying
to
understand
this
entrance
a
little
bit
of
the
history,
and
you
mentioned
it-
we
got
the
sewer
that's
coming
through
there.
We
also
have
a
public
storm
line,
that's
coming
through
there,
which
really
sets
really
where
the,
where
that
opening
is
early
on.
M
This
was
a
full
movement
intersection,
and
you
know
recently
with
that
traffic
impact
study
and
with
conversations
with
staff
and
drc.
That's
when
we
went
to
write
in
right
out,
usually
as
you're
looking
at
traffic
coming
in
and
out
and
just
understanding
the
movements
of
that
and
parking.
M
You
can
start
to
to
minimize
some
of
those
things
here
with
the
amount
of
green
space
that
we
already
have
around
building
two,
some
of
the
stormwater
things
that
we've
done
up
in
some
of
the
islands
as
opposed.
In
addition,
what
we've
done
along
hillary,
we
felt
like
the
the
the
activated
space.
The
green
space
was
really
adequate
and
especially
along
building
one.
We
have
that
10-foot
sidewalk,
but
then
we
also
have
an
activated.
M
You
know
escape
area
there.
Where
is
where
we're
really
hoping
that
we're
drawing
people
towards
that
building,
one
where
that's
the
commercial
and
the
leasing
and
the
amenity
and
building
two
is
is,
as
mentioned
just
you
know,
just
all
residential.
K
And
I
would
also
add,
if
I
may,
there
will
be-
and
you
can't
see
it
in
this
image,
but
at
the
suggestion
of
drc
there
will
be
additional
landscape
screening
that
happens
on
either
side
of
that
entrance.
K
Pretty
significant
vegetative
screening
so
you're
not
just
looking
at
a
big
parking
lot
and
you
know
well,
would
it
be
better
to
have
a
courtyard
versus
a
parking
lot?
You
got
to
remember
this
retail
space
needs
to
work
and
to
work
folks
need
parking
where
they
can
access
retail
space
and
that's
the
nearest
folks
can
get
to
park,
and
I
imagine
there
it
might
even
be
striped
for
that
purpose,
so
that
residents
don't
park
there.
It's
for
the
general
public.
K
I
I
don't
know
that's
a
business
decision
that'll
happen
down
the
road,
but
you
could
imagine
if
you
were
a
prospective
retail
tenant.
It
would
matter
to
you
that
you
had
parking.
You
know
right
around
the
corner
rather
than
folks
having
to
go
all
the
way
in
back
behind
the
buildings
for
for
the
only
parking.
B
Yeah
certainly
yeah
and
I
wasn't
proposing
taking
it
all
the
way
and
obviously
the
accessible
space
needs
to
be
located.
You
know
within
certain
distance
so
that
one
makes
complete
sense.
Another
question
regarding
the
burial
of
those
power
lines
I
just
want
to
make
it
make
sure
I
understand
correctly
that's
along
both
klingon
and
hilliard.
Is
that
correct
and
it
is
where,
where
does
it?
Stop
and
start?
I
guess
is
the
other.
I
just
want
to
get
clarification.
M
So,
to
give
a
little
wraparound
to
that,
we've
had
a
lot
of
hours
of
conversations
with
not
only
duke
and
the
other
providers
that
are
on
those
lines
right
today
there
are
overhead
lines
along
hillyard
and
along
clinkman
and
and
most
y'all
know
the
the
duke
has
the
piece
of
property
on
the
opposite
side
of
klingman,
we're
still
in
conversations
trying
to
understand
where
the
duck
banks
would
go,
but,
generally
speaking,
we're
trying
to
along
both
those
frontages
get
get
everything
below
ground.
M
There's
a
lot
of
coordination
and
a
lot
of
dollars
and
cents
to
go
into
that.
But
we've
had
at
least
six
to
eight
meetings
and
emails
and
everything
else
going
along
just
those
lines
of
relocation
of
those
lines.
B
M
I
believe
duke
already
has
some
plans
for
relocation
in
in
that
area
in
general,
but
there
was
a
portion
of
clingman
that
was
still
in
conversations
with
duke
and
the
other
providers
to
understand,
say
that
last
you
know
25
to
50
along
clingman,
whether
it
could
then
shift
to
the
other
side
of
the
road,
whether
it
could
go
all
below
ground
they're,
still
making
some
conversations
there.
M
What
I
do
know
is
hillyard
is
currently
all
on
our
side,
and
the
discussions
to
this
point
has
been
it
going
below
ground
ish
around
where
pearl
is
and
then
not
coming
back
above
ground
unless,
unless
you
get
to
the
other
side
of
clingman
or
or
somewhere
down
on
the
other
side
of
hillyard,
if
you
get
to
the
other
side
of
the
intersection,
I
think
yeah
thanks.
Mr.
B
Suggs
and
I-
and
I
that
was
my
what
my
thinking
was
as
far
as
a
long
hilliard
and
I
figured
it-
would
go
under
clingman,
given
that
you
know
by
that
point,
you're
back
on
to
the
duke
property
as
well,
I'm
going
to
bring
up
two
things
that
I
always
seem
to
bring
up
dumpster,
which
I'm
guessing
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
labeled
right
there
in
the
center
and
then
bike
racks.
M
B
M
Absolutely
understand
yeah.
There
will
definitely
be
some
spaces
where
something
like
that
could
be
looked
at
and
accommodated.
L
Hi
this
is
mark.
This
is
martial.
This
is
mark
ward
with
klein
design.
I
want
to
just
want
to
jump
in
on
the
bike,
rack
comment
and
that,
yes,
this
will
we're
going
to
add
as
part
of
the
tenant
amenity,
an
actual
bike
room
for
bike
storage,
so
I
think
there'll
be
plenty
of
storage
for
for
bikes
and
other
kind
of
active
outdoor
equipment.
B
F
Thank
you,
chair
archibald.
I
guess
this
is
a
question
potentially
for
staff
or
the
applicant,
the
commercial
space
that's
being
proposed.
I
know
we're
a
ways
off
from
building
completion
and
there's
you
know
no
way
that
you
can
know
who
the
potential
tenant
would
be,
but
I
guess
a
question
for
staff
would
be.
Are
there
any
restrictions
on
on
what
type
of
commercial
tenant
could
go
into
that
space?
And
then
I
guess
a
follow-up
question
of
the
applicant
is
any
potential
ideas
about
the
type
of
use
that
that
commercial
space
might
see.
C
To
answer
your
first
question:
there
are
no
restrictions
other
than
they
have
to
be
uses
that
would
be
permitted
in
this
zoning
district.
N
Sure
yeah,
this
is
daniel,
jimenez,
the
applicant
speaking,
and
I
I
think
that
for
now,
mr
barton,
we
are
hopeful
that
we
will
have
a
coffee
shop
as
one
of
the
retail
vendors
that
that
will
fill
out
one
of
these
spaces
and
as
for
the
rest,
it's
still
you
know,
work
in
progress.
F
Thank
you
and
then
just
one
follow-up.
If
I
may,
on
the
issues
that
chair
archibald
brought
up
around
the
the
the
drive
entrance
or
exit
onto
hilliard
avenue,
you
know
in
the
project
conditions,
it
stipulates
a
maximum
of
201
parking
spaces.
You
know,
I.
I
think
that
if
we're
here
to
talk
about
a
future,
that's
more
multimodal
and
where
you
know
we
have
a
great
location
of
a
project
that
has
access
to
bus
and
and
bike
parking
and
walking.
F
You
know
I
may
encourage
that
if
any
parking
spaces
hit
the
chopping
block
along
the
way
that
that
those
might
be,
that
might
be
an
area
that
can
see
some
reduced
parking
and
part
of
my
thinking
is
that
the
right
turn
out
onto
hilliard
is
going
to
be
a
little
problematic.
There's.
You
know
extensive
queuing
at
rush
hour
along
hilliard,
and
so
you
know
just
having
space
for
a
single
car
to
queue
exiting
your
development.
F
May
there
may
be
some
backups
and,
and
so
some
additional
car
queueing
may
be
something
you
want
to
entertain.
I
don't
I'm
not
suggesting
that
as
an
amended
condition,
but
just
as
the
project
is
developed
further
that
that
still
may
be
an
area
that
is
worth
looking
at
some
parking
reduction
and
potentially
giving
back
some
space
for
seating
areas
or
other.
You
know,
type
of
of
active
use,
outdoor
use.
B
If
there's
no
further
questions
from
the
commission
at
this
moment,
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
open
for
public
comment
at
5
54.
B
Okay,
I
will
close
for
public
comment
at
five:
we're
going
to
call
it
5.55
how's,
that
is
there
any
further
comments
or
any
questions
from
any
of
the
commissioners
at
all.
D
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
thank
you,
commissioner
archibald.
The
question
was
yes,
it
was
around
the
the
buffer
that
was
mentioned
was
that
you
know
close
to
to
expansion
of
of
of
being
being
too
tall
or
overhyped
or
just
to
compensate
what
was
needed.
K
Do
you
mean,
mr
hook,
do
you
mean
the
the
buffer
that
we
were
discussing
the
landscape
buffer
at
the
opening
off
of
hillard
street?
That
entrance
there.
D
The
building
height,
I
think
I've
seen
something
by
the
buffer
and
one.
J
Yeah,
mr
mr
commissioner,
hoke
I
made
mention
of
a
transitional
buffer
building
height
zone,
but
the
height
of
this
proposed
building
doesn't
trigger
any
provisions
regarding
that,
even
though
it
exists
along,
I
think,
hilliard
avenue,
but
this
building
I
think
it's
below
set
since
it's
below
75
feet.
It
doesn't
trigger
any
of
those
conditions.
B
I
would
like
to
say
you
know:
I
do
think
that
the
developer
has
done.
I,
I
was
not
able
to
watch
the
recording
of
the
design
review
commission
from
this
last
month,
but
I
had
back
in
december
and
certainly
there
have
been
some
great
changes
since
what
I
saw
in
december
with
the
building
with
the
elevations
and-
and
you
know,
I
certainly
like
the
pedestrian
or
excuse
me-
the
the
activation
along
clingman
with
the
stoops
there.
B
You
know,
that's,
that's
always
one
that
I
think
is
a
lot
of
developers
a
little
wary
of
that.
You
know
putting
stoops
right
on
the
sidewalk.
However,
I
think
that's
just
it's
a
great
way
to
have
that
activation
of
a
street
front,
especially
along
a
you
know,
pedestrian
street,
like
that,
and
I
really.
L
B
Building
two
is:
is
a
really
nice
little
building
it's.
It
is
very
reminiscent
in
some
ways
of
at
least
along
the
frontage
of
what
you
would
see
kind
of
in
older
cities.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
that
row
front
row
house,
look
to
the
front
of
it
so
yeah.
I
think
it's.
It
certainly
has
come
a
long
way.
You
know.
Maybe
there
are
some
other
tweaks.
I
certainly
would
encourage
you
to
at
least
look
at
that
parking
in
that
entrance
there
on
hilliard.
B
You
totally
understand
the
the
need
for
some
retail
parking
and
certainly
the
accessible
parking,
but
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
have
maybe
a
little
bit
more
green
space,
even
if
it's
just
like
just
those
four
spaces,
the
two
on
each
side
right
up
against
it.
You
know
against
where
the
where
the
public
areas
would
be
so.
B
G
F
H
B
And
I
will
vote
I
as
well
motion
passes
seven
to
zero.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
stevens,
mr
jimenez,
mr
suggs.
Mr
ward,
I
appreciate
it
very
much.
Thank
you
all.
We
really
appreciate
it.
B
Okay,
that
concludes
any
of
our
legislative
public
hearings
that
we
have
for
this
evening.
The
rest
of
the
meeting
will
be
spending
some
time
on
some
commission
related
items.
The
first
is
gonna,
be
a
review
and
discussion
of
the
commission's
annual
report,
and
I
will
let
miss
take
over.
I
believe.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
had
previously
shared
with
the
commission
via
email,
a
copy
of
a
draft
annual
report
every
year.
All
the
boards
and
commissions
are
asked
to
prepare
a
draft
report
for
the
city
council,
typically
before
their
retreat
their
before
the
city
council
retreat.
So
they
can
get
all
of
that
feedback
and
recommendations,
so
they
can
take
it
all
into
consideration
as
they
sit
down
amongst
themselves
as
a
council.
C
Some
of
it
is
just
pretty
just
summarizing
the
activity
and
what
the
commission
has
reviewed
and
accomplished
in
the
last
year.
Of
course,
this
is
a
second
year
of
pandemics,
so
not
quite
like
other
years
that
we
may
have
seen,
although
I
will
say
not
far
off
development
activity
is
almost
not
quite
at
2019
levels,
but
it's
close
much
better
than
2020..
I
will
say
that
so
in
general,
I
think
it.
These
are
all
positive
signs
for
recovery.
C
I
did
include
also
some
draft
policy
recommendations.
These
are
just
little
tidbits
that
have
kind
of
come
up
over
the
last
year
or
so,
including
some
very
preliminary
discussions
by
this
commission
at
different
parts
of
the
year,
and
now
it
was
different
membership.
At
that
time.
Some
of
you
weren't
part
of
those
conversations,
but
these
are
some
things
that
have
just
kind
of
been
brought
up
in
the
past.
So
I
just
I
just
kind
of
saved
those
in
the
back
of
my
mind,
put
them
on
paper.
C
It
really
meant
to
just
be
sort
of
a
a
point
from
which
you
can
jump
off
and
remove
items,
add
items
edit
items,
but
it
was
just
really
just
something
to
kind
of
get
the
juices
flowing.
So
most
of
the
boards
and
commissions
are
focusing
on
these
policy
recommendations
and
then
the
potential
budgetary
impact
for
those
recommendations,
the
budgetary
impact
that
might
not
be
obvious,
that's
something
that
maybe
staff
can
help
explore.
C
So
they
were
gracious
enough
to
give
me
that,
but
I
do
have
to
turn
this
in
tomorrow.
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
time.
So
with
that,
I
can
kind
of
leave
it
alone
and
turn
it
over
to
the
rest
of
you
to
discuss.
B
Thanks
miss
tuck,
and
you
know
I'm
anybody
that
wants
to
chime
in
I'm,
not
gonna,
we're
not
gonna,
be
formal
now
as
as
much
as
possible.
So
if
anybody
has
any
comments
or
we
just
wanna,
you
know
chat
feel
free.
I
certainly
you
know.
Miss
tuck
has
seen
it.
I
think
every
single
annual
report,
I
have
put
revised
the
udo,
so
I
am
all
for
that.
I
have
every
single
time
I
see
a
you
know:
council,
member,
I'm
like
where's
the
money
coming
from.
Where
can
we
do
this?
B
You
know
it's
interesting
last
week
in
in
multimodal
planning
it
came
up
again
and
I
brought
it
up
of
like
to
get
it
on
to
the
annual
report
for
for
multimodal
about.
You
know
things
that
need
to
change
in
the
udo
to
make
multimodal
easier
better.
All
of
this
and
so
yeah
keep
putting
that
at
the
top.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned.
H
C
C
That
comes
with
a
comprehensive
plan,
and
then
you
examine
your
udo
and
look
to
where
you
can
make
changes
to
be
consistent
to
help
fulfill
that
vision.
It's
often
included,
as
you
know,
part
of
the
implementation
plan
for
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
how
do
you
make
this
comprehensive
plan?
A
real
thing?
Well,
one
of
the
things
you
do
is
you
update
your
udo
so.
C
I
think
it's
and
I'll
let
other
people
chime
in
and
you
know,
add
to
what
I
say
or
correct
me
if
I
misstate,
but
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
things.
I
think
it's
the
fact
that
it's
an
innovation
district,
the
fact
that
at
least
a
portion
of
that
charlotte
street
corridor
is
very
strategically
located
to
the
downtown
and
potential
for
transit
and
access
to
employment,
centers
and
goods
and
services,
and
things
like
that.
C
So
there's
that
and
there
is
an
existing
plan-
that's
quite
old
and
it
has
created
some
challenges
with
some
of
the
development
projects
that
have
been
presented
on
the
corridor
because
we
have
this
somewhat
outdated,
arguably
outdated,
charlotte
street
plan
that
doesn't
really
reflect
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
you
know
there's
been
suggestion
that
we
need
to
kind
of
study
the
corridor
and
then
also
and
with
that
would
be
sort
of
an
update
to
the
master
plan.
So
I
should
probably
or
the
charlotte
street
corridor
plan.
So
I
should
probably
add
that
in
there.
H
C
So
clingman
avenue
is
well,
it
depends
on
what
part
of
clingman
you're
talking
about,
but
the
upper
part
like
we
just
saw
with
the
avery
project.
That's
going
to
be
cbd,
so
cbd
is
not
of
true
form
code
like
our
river
arts,
district
or
haywood
street
form
code,
but
it
is
a
it's
kind
of
a
an
early
version
of
a
form
code.
So
it's
it's
a
standard
euclidean
zoning
district,
but
it
has
form
elements
to
it.
The
design
requirements
or
the
development
requirements
are
sort
of
form-based,
so
it's
kind
of
form-based.
What.
C
Southern
portion,
I
think
it's
gonna
become
river
or
part
of
the
red
as
you
get
down,
okay
to
the
haywood
bridge,
and
then
parts
of
it
might
be
even
residential.
Let
me
pull
up
a
map
for
you,
real,
quick.
O
Well,
shannon's,
bringing
it
up
too,
just
to
add
a
little
bit
more
context
to
charlotte
street
the
cor
north
charlotte
street
is
that
we
we
had
identified
that
our
city
council
had
identified
charlotte
street
several
years
ago
as
part
of
their
strategic
priority
list
of
potential
areas
where
they
want
to
explore
further
further
study,
whether
it's
zoning
or
land
use
or
transportation
analysis.
O
Obviously
I
think
that
was
probably
updated
in
2018
we
have
a
different
with
some
different
council
members
now
that
are
part
of
our
city
council,
so
I
know
they're
meeting
for
a
retreat
in
the
next
week
or
two
and
they
might
be
discussing
additional.
O
You
know
projects
or
making
tweaks
to
their
current
strategic
plan.
You
know,
based
on
input
that
they
receive
from
from
boards
like,
like
your
board
and
other
boards
and
commissions.
B
I
I
was
going
to
ask
too
about
that
todd.
I'm
kind
of
curious,
like
you
know
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
like
when
people
say
charlotte
street.
It's
almost
automatically,
I'm
just
gonna,
say
north
of
240.
B
and
yet
there's
also
the
charlotte
street,
that's
south
of
college,
which
in
some
way
you
know,
and
I'm
gonna
attempt
to
tie
this
into
upcoming
goal
number
four
in
a
way
that
you
know.
I
know
that
that
area
is
at
least
my
understanding
is
from
some
of
the
maps
and,
and
other
history
is,
is
part
of
urban
renewal
area.
I
know
at
one
point
there
was
discussions
about
the
dsd
building
and
the
maintenance
garage
there.
B
You
know
what
was
it
a
couple
years
ago,
three
years
ago
now,
maybe
there
was
some
visioning
about
you
know
the
city
turning
that
property
over.
I
I
guess
where
I'm
going
is
I
wonder
if
the
charlotte
street
corridor
needs
to
be
like
literally
built
more,
and
this
is
huge
but
and
it's
multiple
parts
but
like?
Is
it
built
more
to
college
college,
to
240
240
north?
Does
that
make
sense.
C
Corridor,
no,
no,
not
exactly
so
the
city
does
have
land
I
mean
we
do
like
our
public
works
facility
is
on
south
south
charlotte
street,
but
our
ability
to
reload
you
know
to
redevelop
that
property
is
going
to
be
contention
on
a
facility's
plan
that
relocates
those
services,
and
I
think
that
may
be
some
time
out
so
so,
while
I
hear
you
absolutely,
that
is
one
corridor
to
a
large
degree.
C
I
think
it's
it's
going
to
be
more
practical
to
break
it
into
two
segments.
You
know
the
the
north
charlotte
street
segment
and
the
south
charlotte
street
segment.
Also
the
charlotte
street
plan
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
That
really
only
goes
from
240
north.
It
doesn't
address
south
charlotte.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
issue,
so
I
think
they
could
be
on
different
time
frames.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at
and.
O
We
did
some
analysis
as
part
of
we
had
identified.
I
think
three
properties
as
high
impact
sites
for
to
consider
the
feasibility
for
possible,
affordable
housing,
and
I
believe
some
of
the
city-owned
properties
on
south
charlotte
street
were
part
of
that.
That
initial
analysis
that
we
did
but,
but
I
think
you
also
have
like
some
urban
renewal
properties
there.
O
I
had
to
bring
up
that
map
to
specify
which,
which
particular
property
is
on
south
charlotte
street.
But
something
we
might
want
to
explore
is
just
how
that
maybe
dovetails.
But
any
future
analysis
might
dovetail
into
the
reparations
kind
of
planning
process
that
we're
currently
undertaking.
F
F
You
know
addition
of
turn
lane
bike
lane
and,
and
meanwhile
south
charlotte
hasn't
gotten
that
same
level
of
study
and,
and
so
I
would
prioritize
south
charlotte.
If
we're
you
know,
looking
at
policy
recommendations
tied
to
you
know
budgetary
impacts
it.
It
does
seem
like
you
know
that
stretch
of
south
charlotte
probably
could
handle
a
road
diet
as
well.
F
It's
very
wide,
and
I
think
four
lanes
and
the
development
opportunities
along
the
way
have
been
you
know.
Kind
of
piecemeal
it'd
be
great
to
get
that
quarter.
Study
of
south
charlotte
in
consort
with
the
reparations
initiative.
That's
currently
underway.
O
And
kind
of
while
we're
maybe
focusing
on
quarters
a
little
bit
corridor
studies
just
so
you
know,
the
city
has
had
recently
submitted
for
a
potential
grant
with
a
french
broad
npo
to
do
some
further
transportation
planning
analysis
for
patton
avenue,
east
of
the
french
broad
river
kind
of
building
upon
a
lot
of
the
work.
That's
been
happening
as
part
of
the
I-26
connector
project.
O
I
want
to
say
that
the
budget
for
that
the
requested
budget
was
somewhere
around
300
000
or
so
from
one
of
the
the
npo's
kind
of
pools
of
grant
money
that
might
be
available.
Another.
E
O
Area
where
we
could
potentially
do
some
like
land
use
and
zoning
study,
in
addition
to
transportation
analysis.
G
Thank
you.
I
don't
know
how
we
can
put
this
in
there,
but
I
would
like
us
to
focus
on
like
the
growth
of
the
south
asheville
area,
like
the
city
part
where
the
south
asheville
is,
and
also
like
sidewalks.
I
know
that
that
has
come
up
a
lot
over
the
last
year
on
a
lot
of
our
projects,
so
just
like
how
we
can
like
put
more
sidewalks
in
and
how
people
can
know
about
like
the
sidewalk,
what
shannon
called
it
like
the
sidewalk
budget
like
thing.
G
Basically,
the
savings
account
type
thing
that
we
have
and
again
just
like
everything,
that's
happening
in
the
south
part
of
town
and
like
the
growth
that's
going
because
south
varies
like
for
a
lot
of
people
like
what
they
actually
think
like
south
asheville
is
a
lot
of
people,
think
it
just
stops
at
like
exit
37,
but
it
continues
down
a
long
ways
into
arden
technically.
G
So
I
think
we
should
all
just
kind
of
get
to
know
that
a
lot
better
actually.
B
I
Thanks
something
else-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
fully
under
this
commission's
purview
but
the
storm
water
management
in
the
city-
that's
come
up
on
several
projects
as
as
far
as
just
the
need
to
update
that
infrastructure
and
have
a
more
inclusive
plan.
I
I
I
know
that
the
guys
down
at
stormwater
are
certainly
understaffed
and
you
know
they're
doing
the
best
they
can,
what
they
have,
but
if
there's
any
way
to
better
incorporate
that
with
planning
and
zoning
or
even
on
the
implementation
and
in
when
the
development
actually
starts.
I
just
know
that
it
seems
like
there's
rampant
problems
there,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
means
more
resources
for
the
enforcers
and
the
inspectors
or
more
resources
for
the
planning
side.
B
Real
quick,
too
jennifer
I
want
to
mention
I'm
not.
I
can't
figure
out
exactly
the
quickest
way
to
get
to
it.
If
you
were
to
go
to
the
multimodal
transportation
commission's
website
and
like
click
on
the
agenda,
there's
always
attached
to
our
agenda
the
link
into
the
google
documents
that
has
like
the
list
of
projects-
and
this
is
like
city-wide
like
sidewalks
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
and
like
because
I
get
that
for
me.
B
That's
the
easiest
way
to
keep
track
of
it,
and
it
goes
through
like
where,
where
all
the
sidewalks
are,
that
are
being
either
you
know
and
where
they're
at
like.
Is
it
in
design
phase?
Is
it
in
land
acquisition
and
that
you
know
shannon
todd
may
know
of
a
better
way?
J
O
And
this
might
might
be
slightly
different
than
what
joe
mentioned,
but
we
I
can
post
in
the
chat
box,
our
capital
projects
website
for
the
city,
where
we
have
a
dashboard
of
capital
improvement
projects,
so
that
so
those
are
like
your
infrastructure,
sidewalk
transportation,
stormwater,
utility
type
of
projects
and
there's
kind
of
like
a
map
and
a
dashboard
for
like
what
projects
and
where
they
are
in
the
design
or
envisioning
or
construction
phase.
O
And
I
believe
that
includes
general
obligation
bond
projects
as
well.
But
that
might
be
different,
possibly
than
the
list
that
spreadsheet
kind
of
lists
just
for
sidewalks.
But
we
could.
We
could
try
to
get
a
hold
of
that
and
find
that
link
as
well.
B
F
Just
a
couple,
one
comment:
one
question:
I'll
start
with
my
question:
the
incorporating
equity
analysis
into
land
use
decisions.
I
I
think
that's
great,
that
that
is
included
as
a
recommendation,
and
I
was
just
curious
if
staff
had
thoughts
about
what
that
might
look
like
or
you
know,
what's
what's
your
old
thinking
on
how
that's
going
to
be
incorporated
into
reports.
C
Well,
I'm
glad
you
asked,
because
that
is
actually
the
subject
of
our
proposed
planning
and
the
agenda
for
the
proposed
planning
and
zoning
commission
retreat.
So
we
were,
I
was
going
to
talk
under
other
business
too,
when
we
were
done
with
this
a
little
bit
about
the
retreat.
So
I
can
probably
explain
that
a
little
bit
better
in
a
in
just
a
few
minutes.
F
Great
and
then
I
guess
my
other
building
on
what
brenton
said
about
stormwater
one
other
thing
is
that's
listed
as
an
upcoming
goal
is
completing
the
open
space
amendment.
Is
there
an
update
on
when
that's
coming
back
to
us?
I
know
has
continued
a
couple
times,
because
that
includes
that
stormwater
mechanism
that
you
know
might
be
a
useful
tool
to
yeah.
O
Great
great
great
point,
jeffrey
right
now:
we've
got
scheduled
for
march
8th,
I
believe,
is
a
city
council
work
session,
where
stat
staff
will
present
the
draft
proposal
for
the
open
space
text
amendments
after
we
we
get
through
that
work
session.
O
We,
I
think,
just
have
to
determine
what
other
additional
community
engagement
we
might
need
to
do
around
that
effort,
and
I
think
our
goal
would
be
to
come
back
to
playing
zoning
commission
and
city
council,
hopefully
sometime
later
in
the
spring,
but
that
that
stormwater
component
as
part
of
the
draft
open
space
amendment
that
would
it
would
apply
to
private
private
property,
not
not
the
public
infrastructure.
O
But
but
there
are
some
there's
some
draft
language
in
there
that
basically
says
that,
for
like
a
commercial
large
commercial
property
over
one
acre
or
like
a
multi-family
development
over
one
acre
that
there's
some
strong
incentives
to
provide
better
stormwater
management
on
that
site,
which
which
would
definitely
hopefully
address
at
least
from
some
of
the
flooding
issues
from
from
the
private
development
side.
C
I
just
wanted
to
to
show
you
guys
I
didn't
scroll
down
far
enough
in
the
report
to
show
that
there's
also
upcoming
goals
and-
and
we
had
complete
open
space
amendment
on
that.
So.
B
The
reducing
barriers
to
infill
housing-
I
know,
affordable
housing
committee
has
been
working
on.
You
know
that
as
well
is
this
kind
of?
Is
it
in
conjunction
with
that?
Is
it
from
hearing.
O
C
I
I
think,
that's
just
something
that
has
been
on
our
work
plan,
for
that's
almost
might
be
more
of
a
staff
work
plan
item
rather
than
a
commission
priority.
So
I'm.
O
A
hack
does
sorry
to
interrupt
a
hack
does,
I
think,
did
include
this
as
one
of
their
recommendations,
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
as
a
recommendation
to
to
council
recently
as
part
of
their
annual
report.
O
I
think
you
know
another
kind
of
some
thinking
around
this
infield
housing
study
is
we
realized
that
if
we
did
a
whole,
you
overhaul
over
udo
that
it
could
be
a
very,
very
expensive
initiative,
so
another
way
to
help
maybe
implement
the
comprehensive
plan
might
be
to
do
chunks
of
it
at
a
time
and
kind
of
implement,
maybe
inc
and
more
of
an
incremental
type
approach.
O
G
H
To
like
curb
cuts
and
like,
like
the
missing
middle,
like
having
more
units
on
a
property
that
sort
of
thing,
because.
F
O
Yeah,
absolutely
that
that
missing
middle
housing,
so
really
focusing
the
study
could
really
focus
on
building
types
such
as
accessory
dwelling
units,
town
homes,
duplexes,
triplex,
quadruplex.
O
Those
types
of
units
where
you
know
we,
if
we
kind
of,
went
through
and
did
a
a
an
analysis
of
our
our
zoning
regulations.
There's
probably
there's
some
that
come
to
mind
that
are,
are
really
acting
as
barriers
to
developers,
building
more
of
those
types
of
units
and
then
also
building
them
in
a
way
that
maybe
is
more
contextual
with
our
neighborhoods.
And
so
there's
there's
some
of
that
massing
in
scale
and
height
that
we
could
also
look
at
as
part
of
that.
That
type
of
study.
B
That
I
know
planning
and
zoning
that
we
have
gone
through
the
commission
has
gone
through
since
I've
been
on.
I
know
you
know
vadilla
brought
forth,
and
this
is
probably
what
todd
shannon
four
years
ago,
five
years
ago,
the
reduction
in
lot
size
and
some
of
those
things
with
flag,
lots
and,
and
then
the
expansion
of
adus
in
you
know
allowing
adus
and
the
different
parts,
and
there
there
has
been
kind
of
that.
Here's
one
thing
we
can
tackle
here's
another
thing
and
you
know
obviously
all
this
pre-covered
pre
other
things
but
yeah.
A
B
F
And
I
think
the
proposed
open
space
amendments
also
are,
you
know,
really
geared
towards
making
infill
housing
more
possible
this?
This
is
something
that
you
know:
I'm
a
relative
newbie
on
the
commission.
So
it's
it's
not
something.
I'm
recommending
goes
in
the
annual
report,
but
maybe
fodder
for
or
retreat
it.
It
strikes
me
that
the
the
talk
and
the
consideration
around
affordable
housing
is
kind
of
it's.
It's
so
recognized
as
a
community
need
that
we've
tried
to
incorporate
it.
F
However,
we
can,
which
is
great
on
the
one
sense
that
developers
you
know
coming
to
the
city
know
that
that's
a
huge
priority
for
the
city,
but
it's
also
tough
because
I
feel
like
it
becomes
sort
of
fragmented
in
in
how
the
city
is
incentivizing,
or
you
know,
partnering,
with
developers
to
deliver
affordable
housing.
So
that
may
be
something
we
can
just
discuss
as
a
a
commission
at
a
retreat
or
something
you
know.
F
Maybe
it
does
tie
into
you
know
racial
equity
and,
if
that's
the
lens
of
our
retreat,
but
it's
just
an
observation
that
I've
noticed
that
it
feels
like
we
don't
really.
F
You
know
like
the
project
tonight.
Has
you
know
some
affordable
housing
units,
which
is
great,
but
it's
always
hard
to
determine
how
many
is
reasonable
and
how
staff
is
evaluating
those,
and
you
know
it
may
be
good
to
just
sort
of
have
a
little
bit
more
insight
into
how
staff
is
looking
at
that.
C
Yeah-
and
I
would
say
we
can
certainly
you
know
that
can
certainly
come
up
in
the
retreat
and
we
could
have
that
discussion,
something
we
don't
do
a
lot
of
on
this
commission,
because
we
tend
to
have
a
fair
amount
of
work
on
your
agendas.
Is
that
we
don't
typically
hold
you
know
other
discussions,
but
that
is
a
possibility.
So
you
know
if
we
find
ourselves
not
really
covering
it
to
everybody's
satisfaction
in
the
retreat.
C
We
also
haven't,
I
think,
largely
because
of
covid.
We
haven't
been
holding
very
many
work
sessions
and
that's
another
option.
So
if
we
really
want
to
dig
into
some
of
these
priority
recommendations
and
what
can
be
considered,
we
could
also
hold
work
sessions.
So
just
just
something
to
kind
of
keep
in
mind.
B
Re
real,
quick
jennifer,
I
was
going
to
mention
that
I
was
going
to
bring
it
up
in
the
retreat
thing
you
know
technically.
I
think
it
still
is
that
you
know
there's
that
mid-month
meeting
that
we
used
to
do
when
we
were
slammed
like,
even
if
it's
three
times
a
year,
even
if
we
don't
like
we
say
we're,
gonna
have
a
mid-month
meeting,
and
it's
all
about
this.
It's
all
about
playing
you
call
it
a
work
session
instead,
but
that
kind
of
thing
you
know
so.
E
G
I
was
just
gonna
say
coming
from
another
city,
where
I
was
on
the
economic
development
committee.
You
know,
I
know
how
it
works
like
that
they
get.
You
know
if
they
offer
five
percent
affordable
housing
that
you
know
they
do
get
some
sort
of
they
get
like
a
percentage
back
on
what
they
are
building.
So
it
may
be
good
for
us
to
put
that
in
there
at
this
retreat,
so
that
newer
members
on
the
committee
do
understand
kind
of
how
the
construction
costs
work.
G
B
Yeah
that
this
may
be
a
topic
better
for
our
next
quick
discussion
about
retreats.
But
I
do
you
know
it
was
just
came
to
my
mind
and
talking
about
this
and
what
jeffrey
brought
up
like
it
would
almost
be
great
to
have
a
quick,
I
don't
know,
call
it
a
work
session.
Maybe
like
get
nikki
reed,
and
I
know,
although
she's
slammed
because
of
you
know,
having
short
staff
but
to
like
have
some
discussion
with
her
about
what
they
go
through
when
they're
reviewing
these
projects
and
that
whole
luigi
process.
L
B
You
know
the
newer
commissioners
here
you
know
I
I
it's
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
like
I
know
so
many
of
you.
Well,
almost
everybody
is
new
and
there's
so
many
of
these
things
that
are
just
kind
of
after
four
and
a
half
years
just
baked
into
my
head
now
that
sometimes
I
forget
about
that,
and
I
apologize.
A
And-
and
this
is
janice-
but
you
know
you're
right-
I
mean
I
might
even
be
able
to
help
with
some
of
the
behind
the
scenes.
So
we
put
this
condition
in
there
that
there
will
be
the
deed
restriction.
Then
I
write
that
d
jurisdiction
working
with
community
development
department.
They
are
really
slam
right
now
losing
paul
and
everything
so,
but
we
work
closely
together
and
I've
even
done
presentations
for
the
local
board
of
realtors.
A
To
I
you
know
I
went
through
with
community
development
to
see
how
many
czs,
how
much
of
how
many
affordable
units
have
come
out
of
czs
and
its
conditional
zonings,
and
it's
it's
really
quite
interesting,
because
you
know
there's
that
whole
discussion
about.
We
cannot
force
it.
We're
not
allowed
to
do
an
inclusionary
zoning
housing
in
this
state,
and
so
you
have
to
be
careful
how
to
push
it,
but
you'd
probably
be
happy
to
know.
You
know
this
just
this
guidance
that
has
come
from
staff
saying
well.
A
The
city
would
really
like
to
always
see
some
affordable
housing
city
would
like
to
see.
You
know
20
years,
if
you're
going
to
commit
to
it,
city
wants
to
see
deed
restrictions.
This
has
really
evolved
over
the
past
five
years.
I
mean
when
I
started
10
years
ago.
We'd
say:
affordable
housing,
but
there
were
no
deed
restrictions.
There
was
no
way
to
monitor
it.
So
I
think
it's
a
really
good
discussion.
Just
to
so,
you
can
see
what
you're
approving
what
it
ends
up
doing
in
the
end,
and
you
know
as
you're
saying
jeffrey.
A
You
know:
how
much
can
you
you
push
it?
It's
it's
something
that
legal,
we
always
have
to
say.
It's
very
difficult.
You
know
to
analyze
it
if
we're
giving
them
something
we're
giving
them
a
luigi.
We
have
a
policy
they're,
getting
housing,
trust
fund,
we've
got
a
policy,
they've
got
to
follow,
but
if
they're
just
doing
it,
there's
always
this
question
of
how
related
to
the
project
is
it
for
conditional
zoning?
So
it's
a
tough
one.
C
Okay,
so
I
I
can,
you
know
just
sort
of
clean
up
some
of
these
bullet
items.
If
that
is
good
with
the
commission,
then
I
will
go
ahead
and
do
that
and
send
it
on
to
the
city
clerk.
B
C
All
right,
thank
you,
I'm
going
to
stop
presenting
now
and
take
just
a
few
minutes
just
to
kind
of
talk
about
the
plan
for
the
commission's
retreat.
So
in
past
conversations
and
then
more
recently,
in
a
conversation
with
joe,
we
decided
that
it
was
probably
most
prudent
to
plan
for
a
remote
retreat.
We
had
actually
hit
the
pause
button
on
a
remote
retreat
about
a
year
ago
when
we
thought
that
we
would
be
meeting
in
person,
and
so
we
thought
well.
This
would
be
better
to
meet
in
person.
C
So
let's
just
go
ahead
and
do
it
plan
for
the
for
the
remote
retreat.
We
are
thinking,
especially
since
it's
a
remote
format,
a
half
day,
I
don't
think
anybody's
attention
span
is
going
to
really
last
beyond
that.
So
I
would
recommend
a
half
day.
That's
what
we've
been
imagining
if
we're
so
inspired,
and
it
goes
well
and
we
want
to
continue
the
energy.
Then
we
can
schedule
another
half
day,
but
I
think
for
this
initial
effort,
we'll
just
stick
with
a
half
day,
so
we
can
do
morning
or
afternoon.
C
So
that
will
is
that
right,
jennifer.
I
thought.
C
Okay,
so
we
were
looking
at
the
week
of
the
21st,
so
that's
the
week,
that's
not
available!
So
can
we
maybe
look
at
the
week
beginning
february
28th,
so
it's
the
end
of
february
first
week
or
first
days
of
march
is
that
a
week
that
could
potentially
work
for
the
community
is
anybody
else
like
out
that
week?
C
Okay,
so
are
there
certain
days
of
the
week
that
just
don't
work
for
any
of
you.
J
C
Right
right,
so
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
Obviously,
so
I'm
going
to
look
at
the
week.
C
C
It
is
open,
so
we
will
have
to
advertise
and
so.
C
E
C
Always
look
at
that,
I'm
hesitant!
I'm
glad
you
pointed
that
out,
I'm
hesitant
because
we
we
run
our
streaming
service
from
our
fifth
floor
conference
room
and
I
believe,
affordable
housing
uses
that
same
center,
so
it
might
be
better
to
just
switch
to
the
afternoon
and
if
that
works
equally
well
for
everybody,
that's
fine
for
us!
So,
let's
plan
thursday
afternoon
12
to
4
30
12
30
to
5..
C
What
do
you
guys
think
12
30
to
5,
give
you
a
little
time
for
a
little
food
and
okay
12
30
to
5
thursday
march
3rd,
all
right!
So
the
the
other
thing
is
just
the
topic,
joe
and
todd,
and
I
and
our
staff
with
our
equity
and
inclusion
office
have
been
discussing
this.
It
had
come
up
previously,
a
year
or
so
ago,
when
we
were
contemplating
retreat
was
to
look
at
zoning
and
equity
and
land
use
and
equity.
C
That
would
look
at
the
request
from
an
equity
standpoint
and
how
we
do
that,
what
kind
of
things
we
take
into
consideration.
I
think
these
are
all
things
we
will
explore
in
our
retreat.
So
we
already
do
it
a
little
bit.
You've
probably
noticed
like
as
it
relates
to
our
comprehensive
plan,
is,
I
think,
where
it
most
commonly
comes
up.
We,
you
know
we
have
goals
for
equity
and
inclusion
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
So
when
we
have
a
project
that
does
something
along
those
lines,
we
try
to
highlight
that
and
kind
of
make
that
connection.
C
But
there
are
other
things
we
can
look
at
and
I
think
there
is
strong
interest
to
do
so.
We've
it's
come
up
with
a
couple
projects.
You
know
that
some
of
the
projects
might
be
in
an
urban
renewal
area
or
an
opportunity
zone
or
things
along
those
lines.
So
how
do
other
city
policies
or
resolutions
weigh
into
their
consideration
so
I'll?
I
will
share
with
you.
C
Let
me
show
you
kind
of
our
revised
agenda,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
what
we're
looking
at.
We
would
do
some
sort
of
icebreaker
exercise
we're
going
to
share
with
you
prior
to
the
retreat,
a
very
short
survey,
just
it's
just
to
kind
of
give
our
equity
staff
who
are
going
to
kind
of
help
facilitate
this
retreat.
C
Some
information
about
all
of
you
so
that
they
kind
of
know
where
you're
all
coming
from.
Then
there
is
going
to
be
some
assignments.
We're
going
to
share
with
you
a
resource
list
that
will
have
links
to
videos
short
articles
story,
maps
that
the
city
has
produced
other
information
on
the
subject,
and
you
can
take
some
time
on
your
own,
going
through
those
materials
so
start
to
kind
of
give
yourself
some
background
and
familiarize
yourself
with
some
of
these
perspectives.
C
Then
our
staff,
sasha
bertinski
and
our
staff
has
offered
to
do
a
presentation
on
sort
of
looking
at
asheville,
specifically
from
an
equity
standpoint
like
what
do
we
already
know
and
understand
about
our
history?
What
maybe
do
we
need
to
continue
to
kind
of
explore,
and
you
know,
get
more
information
on
so
she's
gonna.
Do
that
we
thought
a
discussion
reviewing
some
of
a
couple
recent
projects
that
you
all
have
reviewed
about.
You
know
how
what
kind
of
equity
considerations
would
we
have
potentially
found
valuable
in
evaluating
these
projects?
C
So
I
think,
having
a
concrete
example
might
be
useful,
so
we
picked
two.
Then
we
want
to
do
sort
of
an
interactive
exercise
with
all
of
you.
It's
basically
a
zoom
or
google
meets
version
of
a
sticky
sticky.
Note
exercise
where
you
get
to
kind
of
put
your
own
thoughts
and
we
kind
of
organize
them
on
a
board,
and
we
can
discuss
the
results
of
that
and
clarify
anything
that
doesn't
quite
make
sense,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
next
steps
takeaways.
C
C
C
So
we
want
to
first
kind
of
go
through
the
process
of
giving
people,
and
you
know
everybody
kind
of,
has
the
same
information
and
same
context.
Well,
you
know
not
exactly
the
same,
but
you
know
what
I
mean
and
and
then
just
to
kind
of
explore
the
topic
more.
C
So
it's
really
just
kind
of
doing
more
of
a
deep
dive
into
a
single
topic,
as
opposed
to
like.
Oh,
we
want
to
talk
about
charlotte
street
or
some
of
the
things
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
as
it
relates
to
the
annual
plan.
So
that's
why
I
say
you
know
this
is
probably
not
the
end.
This
is
just
our
first
step
of
having
a
retreat.
C
If
we
could
meet
in
person,
we
would
probably
try
to
look
at
doing
something
more
robust.
That
might
include
you
know
a
walking
tour
or
guest
speakers
and
things
of
that
nature.
B
And
I
think
right
there
is
you
like
that,
brings
back
the
discussion
we
just
had
a
few
minutes
ago
about
like
work
sessions
or
you
know.
Do
we
take
that
time
that
normally
gets
allotted
for
the
mid-month
meetings
to
you
know,
even
if
it's
an
hour
and
a
half,
you
know
it
certainly
maybe
isn't
a
four.
O
B
But
yeah,
I
think
that's.
This
is
step
one
on
yeah.
C
And
our-
and
this,
like
I
said
this
is
kind
of
like
in
talking
with
our
equity
staff.
They
seem
to
think
this
was
probably
a
good
place
to
start
not
knowing
what
everybody's
individual
experience
is
with
equity
or
equity
training.
Some
people
have
a
lot
of
it.
Some
people
don't
have
any,
and
you
know,
as
somebody
who
has
some
equity
training,
I
realize
like
some
of
those
resources
we'll
be
sharing
with.
You
are
things
that
I've
already
reviewed,
but
you
know
every
time
I
review
them.
C
A
Okay,
okay-
and
I'm
also,
I
should
mention-
I'm
a
co-chair
of
the
zoning
planning
and
land
use
section
of
the
bar
and
we're
going
to
have
a
conference
in
april
again
and
also
focused
on
equity,
because
I
was
noticing
that
I'm
going
to
planning
conferences
where
that's
a
focus,
but
a
lot
of
my
legal
conferences
has
has
not
been
so.
I
could
share
a
copy
of
that
agenda.
A
It
is
a
it's
something,
that's
open
to
both
you
know,
planners
or
and
attorneys,
and
it's
just
something
you
might
be
interested
in
seeing,
but
we're
just
coming
at
it
from
a
few
different
perspectives,
but
how
law
firms
are
implementing
trying
to
encourage
more
equitable
workforce.
We
have
something
on
heirs,
property,
so
I'll
bring
the
agenda
and
give
you
give
you
all
a
copy
of
it
once
we're
in
the
process
of
finalizing
that.
But
this
might
be
something
you're
interested
in
just
another
way
to
think
about.
B
And
you
know
I'll
certainly
say
I
mean
I
I've
reached
out.
You
know
to
the
other
commissioners
just
to
get
input.
You
know
on
retreat,
ideas
and
things.
You
know.
This
is
something
that
you
know.
B
I
think
the
initial
idea
of
having
a
retreat
around
equity
you
know
has
come
up
prior
to
a
lot
of
you
know
current
commissioners
being
on
and
certainly
has
been
a
staff
thing
as
well
and
it's
been
talked
about,
but
you
know
if
there
are
any
other
things
or
ideas,
anything
that
any
of
you
all
have
you
know
robert
bretton
jennifer,
jeffrey
kim,
kelsey
anybody.
You
know
this.
Is
you
know
it's
it's
a
commission-based.
L
B
It's
certainly,
you
know
I'm
I
am
the
chair,
but
I'm
not
in
charge
of
everything.
So
if
you
all
decide
yeah,
no,
we
want
to
do
something
completely
different.
I
mean
you
know
it
is
it's.
It's
your
commission
as
well.
C
I
C
Well
great:
well,
if
that
sounds
good
to
everybody,
we'll
continue
our
planning
and
we'll
be
sharing
more
information
with
you,
but
in
the
meantime,
go
ahead
and
mark
march
thursday
march
3rd
12
30
to
5
o'clock
on
your
calendars
I'll,
send
a
google
meeting
invite
later
too
and
then
we'll
get
our
public
notice
all
worked
out
as
well.
So
all
right
guys!
Well,
that's
all!
I
have
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
me
some
time
on
your
on
this
agenda.
I
appreciate
it.
B
H
B
Discussion
conversation
that
happens
around
this
stuff
and
there's
there's
just
so
much
that
needs
to
be
so.
Does
anybody
else
on
the
commission
have
anything
you
know
any
like
burning
things
they
want
to
talk
about
right
now
I
mean
we
don't
have
anything
on
the
agenda.
So
if
there's
something
that
you
know
has
come
up
or
things
that
you
want
to
discuss
right
now
feel
free.
B
B
You
can
always
find
out
additional
information
as
far
as
the
agenda
at
the
commission's
website.
So
if
we
don't
have
any
further
discussion
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn.
B
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
we'll.
Just
do
a
simple,
I
raise
hand
vote
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
raise
your
hand,
that's
unanimous
thanks
everyone
and
have
a
great
lunar
new
year.