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A
We
are
live
all
right.
Well,
welcome
everybody
to
the
april
5th
meeting
of
the
asheville
urban
forestry
commission.
My
name
is
amy
smith
on
the
chair.
We
will
kick
it
off
with
introductions
introducing
first
star
commission
members,
so
I'll
just
call
around.
As
I
see
you
all
on
my
screen
to
introduce
yourselves
so
and.
A
F
G
A
Thank
you,
vadilla.
K
Hey
good
afternoon,
everyone
ben
woody
development
services
department.
J
A
Thanks
did
I
miss
anyone?
I
think
that's
it.
Our
group
here
today,
all
right.
Next,
we
need
approval
of
the
minutes.
The
minutes
for
the
previous
meeting
were
linked
in
today's
documents.
So
hopefully
everybody
had
a
chance
to
look
at
those.
M
A
There
any
corrections
and
if
not,
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
so
move
and
a
second,
because
I
can
second
right.
I
can
second,
okay,
zoe's
got
it.
Thank
you.
So
I'll
do
a
roll
call
vote
just
down
my
list
here.
So
I
have
ed.
G
A
Sharon
I
zoe
hi
karen
hi
and
patrick
hi,
and
I
vote
I
so
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting
are
approved.
Did
we
get
any
public
comments.
F
We
did
not
get
any
prior
to
the
meeting.
Let
me
see
if
we
have
anybody
online.
Can
we
proud
of
meeting?
Let
me
see
if
we
have
anybody
on
the
line.
Part
of
me.
We
have
no
callers
on
the
line.
F
A
Thank
you.
So
next
we
have
a
couple
of
presentations.
First
up
is
laura
with
capital
projects.
Give
us
a
brief
update
on
the
vermont
avenue
project,
so
laura.
I
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just
wanted
to
update
the
commission
that
we
had
gone
last
wednesday
that
would
be
march
30th
on
a
field
walk
to
reassess
the
health
of
each
tree
on
vermont
avenue
within
the
project
limits.
The
project
limits
just
to
remind
everyone
is
between
haywood
road
set
to
just
south
of
olney
road,
in
other
words
the
area
where
we
have
existing
sidewalk.
I
Now
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
we
we
conducted
the
walk,
but
the
assessment
is
not
yet
finalized,
but
I
can
generally
before
we
get
it.
Finalized
say
that
trees
will
fall
into
one
of
three
category
either
to
keep
them,
remove
them
or
evaluate
them
further,
and
just
to
maybe
backtrack
here
for
a
second
and
remind
everyone
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
overall
recommends
keeping
as
many
healthy
trees
as
possible
and
the
definition
of
a
healthy
tree
is
defined
as
a
tree
in
fair
or
better
condition.
I
If
any
trees
are
determined
to
be
invasive,
species,
dead
dying,
not
healthy
or
otherwise
not
able
to
keep,
then
that
would
be
the
first
level
of
evaluation,
and
for
that
we
defer
to
the
expert
meaning
the
city
arborist
other
factors
after
that,
then
would
be
employed
to
determine
if
it's
possible,
to
keep
the
tree
and
then
the
final
step
would
be
replanting
to
put
together
replant
the
plant
calculate
the
removed
versus
proposed
planting
canopy
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
the
cities
of
zero
net
loss
goals,
and
for
that
step
the
city
is
going
to
request
help
from
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
to
look
all
that
information
over
helping
with
the
calculation
and
the
replacement
plan.
I
Excuse
me
I'm
having
some
technical
difficulties
with
my
my
microphone
and
earpieces
here,
so
that
was
pretty
much
it.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
update
that
we
have
this
activity
going
on
and
I'll.
Just
let
you
know
do
you
have
any
questions.
A
Yes,
thank
you
laura.
It
looks
like
we
have
a
couple
questions.
So
if
any
commissioners
have
questions,
you
can
do
the
hand
raise
so
apparent
good.
E
Miss
sepia-
and
I
I
just
didn't,
hear
one
of
the
things
you
said
it
it.
I
think
you
were
defining
what
a
healthy
tree
is.
Did
you
give
a
definition
of
what
a
healthy
tree
is.
I
A
healthy
tree
is,
is
a
tree,
that's
considered
in
fair
or
better
condition,
fairer,.
B
Yeah.
Thank
you.
My
question
is:
if
your
evaluation
also
included
considerations
towards
maintenance
to
improve
the
condition
of
trees,
that
might
otherwise
be
in
poor,
poor
condition.
B
I
Yeah
we
did
mention
that
when
we
finish
with
construction,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
project
is
complete
and
there
are
no
activities
of
that
nature
for
the
con
for
the
con
that
the
contractor
didn't
complete,
that
we
would
then
leave
for
the
city
to
come
back
in.
We
wanted
to
leave
a
fine
completed
project.
B
Not
not
really,
I
I
you
know,
trees
can
be
managed
and
their
condition
can
be
improved
with
management
practices,
and
so
my
question
was,
as
you
were
evaluating
them.
Did
you
have
a
column
for
maybe
improving
the
tree's
condition
with
the
management
practice
or,
if
or
not,.
I
G
I
C
Hey
laura
did
I
respond
to
ed.
We
looked
at
each
tree
and
considering
the
age
of
most
of
these
trees,
we
took
everything
into
evaluation.
C
What
had
to
be
removed
for
to
make
it
ada
compliant
how
much
root
structure
would
be
lost
because
it'd
been
bowed
up
where
the
new
sidewalk
would
go
in
looking
at
the
top
of
the
canopy
of
how
much
dieback
there
was,
and
if
there
was
any
pruning
and
we
sat
and
we
spent,
I
don't
know,
mark
how
long
do
we
spend
four
five
hours
going
through
about
20
trees,
so
considering
the
age
of
the
trees,
there's
just
a
huge
amount
of
problems
with
most
of
them,
but-
and
we
talk
with
the
neighbors
who
we
talk
with
a
lot,
and
some
of
them
know
that
their
tree
outside
their
front
door
is
dead
and
others
just
even
though
it's
old
and
it
may
not
survive
the
construction
want
to
save
the
tree,
no
matter
what
and
are
willing
to
give
up
some
right
away
to
move
the
sidewalk.
C
So
there
was
a
whole
lot
of
discussion
about
each
tree,
how
to
make
a
viable
if
we
could
possibly
save
it
and
some
of
them
there
is
just
no
way
I
mean
and
it's
unfortunate,
because
some
of
them
have
been
in
the
ground
so
long
that
new
trees
need
to
go
in
and
then
some
of
them
are
a
lot
younger.
So
we
spent
a
lot
of
time.
I
believe
on
each
tree.
L
Hey
laura
and
to
ed's
point
have
you
I
have
you
had
the
opportunity
to
walk
that
street
and
look
at
all
the
trees
in
the
same
manner.
Ed.
L
Right
and
so,
as
far
as
you
know,
best
management
practices
for
the
trees,
the
trees
that
are,
you
know
the
red
maples
that
were
planted
more
recently,
not
actually
with
you
know,
city
approval
or
anything,
but
that
were
planted
more
recently.
They're
in
the
kind
of
condition
where
you
know
bmps
might
do
some
good.
The
the
sugar
maples
that
have
been
there
since
the
19s
growing
in
a
two
foot
wide
planting
strip,
they're
they're
so
far
gone
that
there's.
L
You
know
you,
you
could
try
magic
or
something,
but
I
don't
really
know
that
standard
bmps
would
do
a
whole
lot
to
keep
them
going
along,
and
so
I
have
to
agree
with
sharon
that
most
of
those
trees
are.
If
we're
trying
to
do
a
a
thorough
job
of
you
know
having
a
usable
infrastructure
and
trees
that
we
can
look
forward
to
living
a
long
time.
I
E
C
Yeah
they.
I
was
pleasantly
surprised
with
our
engineer,
they're
they're,
willing
to
work
and
go
to
the
extra
length
it's
going
to
take
in
order
to
build
over
these
I
mean
some
of
these
routes
are
sticking
up.
You
know,
I'm
going
to
say
a
foot
out
of
the
sidewalk,
and
and
can
they
can
those
be
elevated
over
no,
but
the
ones
that
are
less
like
cinch,
six
inches
or
more
yes,
and
can
some
of
them
be
moved
over?
C
I
was
pleasantly
surprised
that
the
engineer
was
willing
to
work
with
the
state
of
the
trees
that
could
possibly
be
labeled,
fair
and
as
opposed
to
the
ones
that
were
lower
than
fair,
so
there's
going
to
be
every
ef.
Every
effort
made
to
work
with
these
trees
that
are
existing,
as
can
be
their
neighbors,
want
them
and
and
they're
beautiful
trees,
but
the
construction
alone
to
put
a
new
sidewalk
in,
is
and,
as
we
all
know,
you're
doing,
root
damage
on
these
sidewalks.
C
G
C
They're
willing
to
come
out
with
crews
and
hand,
dig
around
some
of
these
trees
and
move
them
over.
So
when
they
said
that
I
was
relieved
that
it
wasn't
going
to
be
a
slash
and
burn
method,
but
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
difficult
decision,
all
the
way
around
due
to
costs,
because
we
all
know
that
costs
money
but
and
they'll
spend
that
money
where
they
feel
that
they
can
save
the
tree
an
extra
how
many
years
ever
it
will
take.
I
I
You
know
a
good
portion
of
that,
then
four
feet
of
sidewalk,
and
so
first
of
all,
we
may
need
easements
from
each
property
owner
that
would
be
affected,
and
then
we
have
all
the
ada
requirements
and
if
we
cannot
meet
the
ada
requirements
and
that
would
be
for
slope
sloping
the
sidewalk
up
and
over
the
roots,
for
example,
then
also
being
able
to
meet
other
features
like
folks
driveways.
I
You
know
because
the
people
will
be
walking
across
their
driveways
and
then
maybe
over
tree
roots
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
so
we
cannot
go
over
the
recommended
ada
slopes
for
that
as
well.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
moving
parts.
I
guess
you
could
say
that
we
would
have
to
look
at
and
fit
together
in
order
to
make
this
work,
but
as
sharon
said,
we're
willing
to
look
into
that
on
the
ones
that
we
can
say.
A
All
right
doesn't
look
like
it.
Thank
you
so
much
laura
and
I
did
want
to
say
that,
as
far
as
the
urban
forestry
commission,
in
my
experience
and
time
here,
this
is
so
far
just
been
a
really
pleasant
process.
The
idea
that
we
can
work
together
with
the
city
staff
and
try
to
be
this.
You
know,
however,
we
can
help
a
go
between
perhaps
between
the
residents
and
the
city
and
and
providing
our
expertise.
So
I
really
really
appreciate
that,
and
I
hope
that
this
can
be
a
template
for
moving
forward.
I
Myself
just
want
to
say
that
amy
and
ed
and
sharon
have
been
an
invaluable
resource
to
help
us.
You
know,
figure
out
this
process,
because
we
are
kind
of
moving
forward
here
on
a
new
process,
so
I
appreciate
that
help
and
support
as
well
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
for
the
update.
Okay,
thanks
folks,
I
have
another
meeting.
I
appreciate
you
thank
you.
A
J
Hi
everybody,
I
will
walk
through
presentation.
Ed
did
you
want
to
say
anything
before
I
get
going.
J
Okay,
ed
has
been
kind
of
a
key
stakeholder
in
this
process.
So
to
remind
you,
this
is
about
proposed
landscaping
changes
primarily
in
section
seven.
Eleven
three
were
we're,
also
proposing
some
changes
to
other
sections
that
are
slightly
related
to
this,
and
I
won't
go
into
those
because
it's
more
of
the
minutia.
J
Let
me
start
by
reminding
everybody
how
we
got
here.
We
we
had
an
open
space
task
force
that
was
reviewing
an
idea
and
whether
to
require
a
new
open
space
requirement
in
downtown,
and
the
consensus
was
to
not
do
that
and
instead
to
improve
tree
planning
standards
in
general,
and
so
we
created
a
new
task
force
to
to
review
that
and
it
has
developed
into
more
of
a
review
of
city-wide
landscaping
standards,
not
just
the
downtown.
J
So
what
are
the
two
problems
that
we're
trying
to
address?
Primarily
one?
It's
severely
limited
in
compacted
soils
which
reduce
the
growth
of
trees
and
their
lifespan,
and
the
second
problem
is
a
really
poor
process
for
landscaping
installations,
so
that,
even
when
we
have
the
best
designs
from
the
best
landscape
architects,
if
they're
installed
improperly
it
doesn't
matter,
the
trees
don't
grow.
J
So
I
have
some
some
images
to
walk
through
these
problems
a
little
bit.
These
are
some
images
of
trees
in
the
city.
Some
are
planted
young
and
already
dying.
Others
you
can
see
are
planted
in
compacted.
Soils
with
gravel
around
others
are
not
prop
planted
properly
and
they're,
already
expanding
up
and
out
of
their
their
area,
and-
and
this
is
why
primarily,
we
have
so
many
poorly
planted
trees.
This
is
a
typical
process
in
development.
Citywide.
J
You
have
a
site
that
is
graded,
then
all
kinds
of
machinery
roll
gravel
over
it
to
compact
it
because
they
need
to
prepare
surfaces
for
a
hard
surface
below
so
that
they
they
last
long
and
don't
crack
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
you
get
is.
This
is
a
plant,
a
parking
lot
example
where
a
planter,
then,
after
all
that
a
landscape
crew
comes
back
and
digs
a
hole
for
for
a
tree.
J
Typically,
it's
just
enough
to
get
the
root
ball
in
and
seeing
the
rest
of
the
process
you
you
can.
You
can
understand
that
there
is
no
viable
soil
for
that
tree
to
survive
because
trees,
as
you
all
know,
need
uncompacted
soil
in
in
nature.
There
are
spaces
between
particles
in
the
ground,
but
we
intentionally
compact
them
to
make
them
more
resilient
for
our
pavements
and
that's
a
problem
here
are
a
few
examples
from
google
earth.
J
This
is
on
patton
avenue
near
goodwill,
and
you
can
see
in
a
difference
of
nine
years
in
the
parking
lot.
You
don't
see
much
of
a
change
in
the
trees.
J
J
I
think
what
this
highlights
is
that
the
theory
doesn't
matter
so
much
it's
more
about
what's
on
the
ground,
how
they're
actually
planted
and
how
much
soil
they're
actually
getting
more,
is
not
necessarily
better
and
and
that's
what
we're
addressing
in
in
some
of
these
landscaping
proposal
proposed
changes.
J
This
is
haywood
street
in
downtown
just
to
highlight
a
very
urban
sidewalk
condition.
You
can
see
these
trees
effectively
haven't
changed
in
11
years
and
then
on
east
tunnel
road
trees
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
more
green
area.
One
might
think.
Well,
they
have
access
to
green,
but
remembering
the
slide
showing
compaction
of
an
entire
site.
When
this
site
was
developed,
the
entire
thing
was
graded,
so
grass
may
grow
relatively
well,
but
that
that
soil
around
all
that
grass
near
these
trees
is
still
heavily
compacted.
J
There
is
a
shifting
focus
in
the
industry
that
acknowledges
that,
as
you
get
more
soil
on
the
bottom,
you
see
the
the
number
of
cubic
feet
of
soil
for
a
tree.
There
is
a
corresponding
increase
in
projected
canopy
and
trunk
diameter
again,
not
really
a
surprise
and
asheville's.
Current
practice
is
in
this
lower
lower
realm.
We
actually
have
believe
it
or
not.
A
lot
of
us
didn't
even
know
this.
We
in
the
downtown
we
actually
have
on
the
books
a
standard
for
300
cubic
feet
of
soil
per
tree.
J
That
really
hasn't
been
implemented
much
if
at
all,
but
for
the
rest
of
the
city,
we
don't
have
a
minimum
soil
volume
standard,
so
we
are
on.
This
is
where
we
are
today,
and
what
we're
talking
about
in
discussions
with
this
working
group
on
landscaping
and
with
the
city,
staff
and
others
is
to
make
a
requirement
that
begins
at
300
cubic
feet
and
goes
up
potentially
to
a
thousand
cubic
feet
in
in
certain
parts
of
the
city
under
certain
circumstances.
J
So
this
brings
us
to
the
proposed
solutions
and
again
the
two
key
solutions
in
the
changes
are
establishing
a
minimum,
uncompacted
soil
volume
requirement
and
establishing
third-party
landscaping
inspection.
J
So
what
what
are
we
talking
about
for
uncompacted
soil
requirements?
The
consideration
is
still
in
the
up
in
the
air.
J
You
know
I
can
say
that
we
are
talking
between
300
cubic
feet
and
a
thousand
cubic
feet
and
potentially
making
a
different
standard
for
the
downtown
than
we
have
for
outside
of
the
cbd,
because
we've
we've
got
a
lot
of
concern
that
the
increased
amount
of
utilities
and
infrastructure
and
buildings
in
proximity
to
where
trees
are
planted,
potentially
means
that
we
should
shouldn't
expect
to
have
as
much
soil,
and
that
would
would
mean
that
we
accept
that
trees
are
not
going
to.
J
You
know,
grow
as
grow
for
as
big
and
live
as
long,
and
so
this
is
a
balance
that
we're
trying
to
make
right
now
and
sort
of
still
in
process.
So
I
don't
think
it's
very
helpful
to
get
in
the
details,
but
to
let
you
know,
I
think
the
big
move
is
that
we're
moving
in
this
direction
and
I
think
we've
been
making
some
good
progress
on
that.
J
In
addition,
I'll
just
talk
about
a
couple
of
questions
here
is:
what
are
the
capital
costs
impacts
to
the
city
when
we
have
our
own
projects-
or
you
know
a
property
owner?
Are
they?
Are
they
reasonable?
What
are
maintenance
and
operating
expenses
and
issues
and
the
impacts
on
parking
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that?
The
second
part
is
establishing
a
third
party
inspection
process.
J
I
think
a
lot
of
you
have
seen
this
slide
before
and
and
what
we're
trying
to
highlight
here
is
that
we
currently
have
a
process
for
driveways
that
we're
that
we
want
to
replicate
for
landscaping,
which
is
that
you
can't
get
an
approval
to
pour
the
concrete
for
your
driveway
apron
until
an
inspector
comes
out
and
verifies
that
you've
prepared
it
properly,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
crack,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
we
would
implement
the
same
thing
for
landscaping
that
there
would
be
an
external.
J
In
this
case
it
wouldn't
be
a
city
inspector.
It
would
be
an
external
agent
that
the
a
property
owner
or
developer
would
have
to
agree
to
to
pay
and
to
include
in
a
process
to
review
this
the
site
before
construction,
during
construction
and
in
during
the
plantings
and
then
post
post
implementation,
and
they
would
have
a
lot
of
different
things
that
they
would
sort
of
check
off.
J
So
those
are
the
two
big
ticket
items
in
what
we're
proposing,
and
I
want
to
mention
two
other
considerations
that
are
are
pretty
big
and
they're
related
one
is
proposing
to
remove
building
impact
landscaping.
J
These
images
show
partially
why
building
impact
doesn't
work
well,
as
especially
as
we
go
toward
a
more
urban
form.
The
way
building
impact
works
is
that
you
have
to
provide
trees
depending
on
how
big
your
building
is.
So
as
you're
building
increases
in
size,
you're
required
to
plant
more
trees.
J
But
as
your
building
increases
you
you,
you
lose
space
for
trees,
so
it
really
works
against
itself
and
is
is
a
problem
and
we
believe
with
the
recently
adopted
tree,
canopy
preservation
and
other
landscaping
standards
they
are
sufficient
and
that
this
is
just
not
not
wise.
J
Another
change
is
that
we're
proposing
to
reduce
parking
lot.
I
heard
a
question
coming:
do
we
want
to
answer
questions
first
or
I
have
two
more
slides.
J
Be
fine,
okay,
another
suggestion
is
to
reduce
parking
lot
trees.
We
currently
require
one
tree
for
every
fifteen
hundred
square
feet
of
vehicle
use
area
and
we're
suggesting
to
cut
that
in
half
one
tree
per
three
thousand.
It's
because,
through
the
analysis,
we've
realized
that
it's
just
too
many
trees
and
again
this
is,
if
we
have
fewer
trees,
those
trees
have
more
access
to
soil,
leading
to
better
overall
canopy.
J
So
on
the
left
here,
I'm
just
showing
you.
This
is
an
example
from
a
downtown
project
that
hasn't
been
built
yet,
but
the
in
in
the
the
bright
green
are
the
vehicle
use,
trees.
There
are
30
trees
and
on
the
right,
you're
seeing
this
is
just
conceptual
sort
of
me
showing
you
what
15
trees
would
look
like
and
then
this
next
slide.
J
What
you're
seeing
is
what
those
trees
will
look
like
if
they
reach
the
lower
end
of
their
canopy.
These
are
london,
plane,
trees
and,
in
the
there
are
black
outlines,
showing
their
approximate
area
of
the
soil
volume
assuming
a
three-foot
depth
of
soil.
J
So
again
this
is
trying
to
hit
home.
I
think
something
that
may
be
counter-intuitive.
That
is
sometimes
less
trees
or
a
reduced
quantity,
but
a
higher
quality
can
lead
to
a
better
result
and
that's
what
we're
proposing-
and
there
are
plenty
of
other
changes
we're
making.
But
these
are
the
biggest
ones
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
we'll
go
from
there.
A
All
right
thanks
vadilla,
so
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
I
guess
call
on
people
for
you,
but
looked
like
ed,
had
a
hand
up.
First
then
patrick.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
Vadilla
left
out
one
important
one
important
fact
about
re,
moving,
building
impact
trees
and
that's
it.
We
also
agreed
in
doing
that
that
we're
increasing
the
canopy
requirement
in
the
canopy
amendment
just
for
those
of
you
that
might
have
concern
that
we're
going
with
less
trees
and
not
more.
That
may
be
the
case
because
quality
not
quantity,
but
we
are
increasing
the
canopy
requirements
on
these
sites
as
well.
J
Yeah
we
were
suggesting
to
not
change
anything
in
downtown,
but
to
increase
for
the
other
other
zones
and
that's
another
thing
where
we're
still
working
on.
We
need
to
you,
know,
hone
in
on
specific
details
and
get
more
buy-in
on
the
exact
numbers,
but
but
the
idea
is
that
in
making
these
other
reductions,
we
could
potentially
increase
tree
canopy
preservation
so
that
it,
you
know,
balances
a
little
bit.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
patrick.
D
Yeah,
I
have
two
questions.
One
has
to
do
with
the
soil
volume
and
the
second
has
to
do
with
a
third
party
inspector
and
on
the
first
question,
I'd
like
for
both
vadilla
and
ed,
to
answer
the
to
provide
an
answer.
D
But
I
thought
that
the
task
force
was
talking
about
about
a
thousand
cubic
feet
of
soil
per
tree
everywhere,
and
then
I
saw
some
recent
emails
where
some
people
were
questioning,
whether
that
was
viable
in
the
downtown
area
and
was
suggesting
the
300
cubic
feet
of
soil
volume.
D
So
I'm
wondering
if
in
the
downtown
area,
if
this
the
amount
of
soil
volume
is
reduced
from
what
was
originally
proposed,
would
the
use
of
silver
cells
help
in
terms
of
the
growth
and
long-term
maintenance
of
trees
in
the
downtown
area?.
J
I'll
start
on
that,
so
the
the
actual
where
we
land,
where
we
will
ultimately
land,
is
going
to
vary.
I
think,
depending
on
the
location,
currently
we're
talking
about
having
a
different
standard
in
the
downtown
from
outside
of
the
cbd.
J
That
makes
the
standard
more
difficult
to
implement
and
manage,
and
I
would
you
know,
I
think
we
would
all
prefer
we're
trying
to
move
in
a
direction
to
keep
the
code
simple,
and
this
doesn't
do
that
by
having
more
standards,
but
it
may
be
the
direction
we're
going
and,
and
if
that
happens,
one
one,
there
will
be
two
different
standards.
J
J
J
So
there's
a
lot
of
nuance.
I
think
that
we're
talking
about
so
it's
hard
to
say
specifically
one
number
and
silva
cells
or
any
other
product
would
be
allowed
to
be
used
in
any
of
this
and
would
likely
we
would
likely
see
them,
because
that's
the
only
way
that
you
can
really
attain
these
volumes
in
urban
conditions.
B
I
think
vadilla
yeah
vadilla
gave
a
good
answer.
What
he's
not
telling
you
that
I
can
tell
you,
is
that
he's
receiving
some
pretty
strong
pushback
from
the
city
on
on
these
soil
volume
standards,
particularly
in
the
cbd,
so
he's
done
a
pretty
good
job
of
trying
to
walk
that
balance,
beam
between
what
the
committee's
recommending
and
what
the
city
city
wants.
And
it's
I
give
the
committee
a
lot
of
credit
for
for
pushing
back
that.
B
You
know
we
do
need
good,
a
good
soil
lime
standard,
but
but
I
do
understand
the
pressure
that
vadilla
is
getting
and
it's
all
based
on
cost.
But
you
know
our
point
is:
if,
if
you're
not
going
to
grow
a
tree,
a
healthy
tree,
then
you're
wasting
your
money
anyway.
So
that
should
be
a
cost
consideration
as
well.
So
we'll
just
see
where
we
end.
J
Up
with
this,
and
let
me
let
me
add
that
I'm
meeting
with
other
cities
that
have
implemented
minimum
soil
volume
standards
in
the
next
couple
weeks-
and
I
think
you
know
how
that
goes-
will
I
think,
help
to
allay
some
some
concerns
and
help
city
staff,
particularly
to
get
a
better
sense
of
what
the
impacts
may
be.
And-
and
I
think
that
should
help.
D
D
So
go
ahead
and
the
third
party
inspection
vadilla.
You
said
that
if
the
property
owner
agrees
to
pay
for
the
third
party
inspection,
what
happens
if
they
don't.
J
A
new
requirement-
I'm
just
I
guess
I
was
trying
to
say
that
it
would
be
required
third-party
inspection
and
we
have
similar
process
with
storm
water.
A
C
Thanks
for
the
report,
vidilla,
I'm
in
agreement
with
the
parking
lot
landscaping,
trees
and,
in
my
experience
on
maintaining
parking
lot.
Trees,
which
would
go
into
conjunction
with
the
recommended
species
list,
is
that
we
would
focus
on
canopy
trees.
C
That
would
be
the
reduction
I'm
finding
like
a
lot
of
zelkovias
and
columnar
trees
are
being
planted
and
they
don't
offer
any
shade,
not
a
lot
of
shade,
where
a
good
broad
canopy
tree
would
be
better
so
that
we
would
tie
in
with
recommended
if
we're
going
to
reduce
the
amount
of
trees
that
we
have
good
canopy
trees
and
not
so
many
columnar
or
trees
that
tend
to
keep
smaller
canopy,
because
I'm
familiar
with
taking
care
of
parking
lot
trees,
and
I'm
in
total
agreement
with
that,
and
I
think
we
all
are,
that
have
done
any
shopping
in
any
center.
C
Around
town
can
see
what
they
look
like.
I
have
never
been
when
we
did
urban
centers
in
reduction
of
billing
impact
according
to
and
removing
them.
We
can
fee
and
lou
out
of
719
our
tree
canopy
protection.
You
cannot
fee
and
loo
your
way
out
of
building
impact
and
we're
not.
C
We
don't
have
the
documentation
yet
of
how
many
much
canopy
are
we
actually
losing
into
fee
and
lou
we're
getting
the
percentages
of
how
much
is
being
put,
but
we're
not
taking
in
account
to
how
much
is
being
removed
and
that's
kind
of
a
up
in
the
air
percentage
that
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
And
so
I
would
never
be
in
approval
of
just
due
to
the
heat
island
effect
that
these
centers
and
these
buildings
do
in
getting
rid
of
building
impact.
J
Let
me
respond
to
those
for
the
recommended
parking
trees
for
a
while.
We
were
talking
specifically
about
having
a
a
new
column
in
the
masters
species
list
that
would
identify
whether
it's
an
allowable
parking
lot
tree.
J
I
recall
we
went
away
from
that,
but
but
that
may
be
a
good
good
thing
to
keep
in
there.
You
know
I've
heard,
for
example,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
river
birch
in
parking
lots
and
apparently
they
do
well
because,
because
of
their
soil,
they're
they're,
they
do
well
in,
I
guess
crummy
conditions,
but
they
don't
do
they
don't
provide
a
lot
of
canopy.
J
So
you
know
that
was
one
response.
I
heard
that
didn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
like
it
survives
well
in
bad
conditions.
So
let's
keep
it
on
the
list,
but
if
we're
moving
in
a
direction
with
better
soils,
let's
make
sure
that
the
trees
that
are
planted
there
actually
take
advantage
and
give
us
the
long-term
benefit
that
we
want.
So
for
that
I
think
maybe
you're
right
and
ed
and
patrick,
let's,
let's
think
about
adding
that
back
on
the
list
to
do's
for
building
impact.
J
J
This
is
what
the
the
total
tree
impact
would
look
like
when
we
reduce
parking
lot
trees
by
half
when
we
cut
out
building
impact
potentially,
and
then
we
increase
tree
canopy
preservation,
what
it
looks
like
on
a
percentage
basis
and
then
knowing
that
we're
we're
effectively
making
the
standards
more
onerous
by
requiring
a
lot
more
site
work
for
soil
volumes,
and
then
I
think
this
discussion
will
be
easier
to
have
because
we'll
have
more
information.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
oh
sorry,
dead.
Sure.
B
Yeah
I
wanted
I
wanted
to
just
make
a
comment
on
on
this
particular
thread.
Before
we
hear
mark's
question
I
I
was
not
aware
that
you
could
not
fee
in
lieu
building
impact
trees
and
I
think
that's
something
the
committee
is
going
to
have
to
talk
about,
because
I
I
mean
I
think
getting
rid
of
the
building
impact
trees
is
can
is
conditioned
on
increasing
the
canopy
requirement.
B
If,
if
that
doesn't
happen,
then
that's
a
real
game,
changer
number
one
and
number
two.
We
should
probably
establish
a
minimum
canopy
requirement
that
cannot
be
fee
and
lewd
in
lieu
of
building
impact
requirements.
Does
that
make
any
sense
that
we
have
to
have
some
kind
of
bar
where
we
get
that
minimum
canopy
anyway?
So
it's
something
that
the
community
is
going
to
have
to
talk
about
wait.
B
Yeah
or
so,
or
something
like
builders
cannot
fee
in
lieu
more
than
75
of
the
requirement
or
something
or
50
percent
of
the
requirement.
B
B
L
Yeah
I
wanted
to
respond
to
the
assertion
that
city
staff's
only
opposition
to
making
silva
cells
are
equivalent
an
across-the-board
standard
for
cbd.
Tree
planting
was
all
due
to
cost
granted
the
ten
thousand
dollars
or
more
per
tree
pit
cost
of
using
silva
cells
is
certainly
substantial
and
if
you
were
trying
to
apply
that
across
the
board,
not
just
for
the
big
hotels
where
they
have.
You
know
lots
of
money
to
spend
on
fantastic.
L
You
know
cadillac
tree
pits
and
where
the
option
exists
for
them
now
to
do
so.
But
if
you
have
some
little
mom
mom-and-pop
shop,
where
they're
required
to
put
a
tree
out
front
spending
an
extra
ten
to
twenty
thousand
dollars,
so
they
can
have
a
tree,
that's
putting
them
under
a
great
deal
of
pressure
as
they're
trying
to
start
a
new
business.
L
The
likelihood
of
its
success
is
already
you
know
against
them
with
an
entrepreneur,
but
stepping
aside
from
the
cost.
Anybody
who
has
experience
with
just
how
little
space
there
is
underneath
sidewalks
in
asheville
knows
how
unlikely
it's
going
to
be
to
be
able
to
fully
implement
having
suspended
sidewalks
as
the
standard
downtown.
L
You
know
vanilla
has
has
brought
to
to
the
commission's
attention
how
narrow
sidewalks
are
in
this
city
versus
cities
that
don't
even
have
trees
and
sidewalks.
That
width.
J
That's
that's
a
great
point
mark.
You
know
just
to
fill
everybody
in
on
this,
and
this
could
be
a
separate
conversation
that
sixty
percent,
more
than
sixty
percent
of
the
downtown
sidewalks,
are
eight
feet
wide
or
less
in
other
cities.
That
standard
means
that
they
don't
get
a
tree
because
they
want
to
have
room
for
people.
J
L
Right
and
and
so
having
you
know,
some
sidewalks
that
are
narrow,
some
that
are
medium,
some
that
are
wide
building
the
right
thing
in
the
right
place
is
what
we
have
available
to
us.
You
know,
and
so
well,
one
size
fits
all
solution.
That's
at
the
cadillac
end
of
the
spectrum
is
not
something
that
can
be
universally
applied
here,
but
having
that
option
available
for
where
it
works,
you
know
that's
fantastic.
A
Obviously
I
I
think
we
all
agree
that
the
cbd
has
its
own
challenges
and-
and
I
think
that
the
approach
of
treating
it
somewhat
differently
makes
sense
because
of
that,
so
it
sounds
like
that
part's
taking
place,
my
two
cents
is
to
have
fewer
drivable
streets
downtown.
I
think
we
should
have
a
pedestrian
mall,
but
I
got
a
chance
to
say
it.
So,
okay,
patrick,
go
ahead.
D
D
What
but
the
whole
purpose
of
this
is
changing
the
standards
so
that
trees
that
are
planted
can
survive
as
long
as
their
natural
lifespan,
so
understanding
all
the
issues
involved
in
having
downtown
trees
in
in
the
downtown
area.
If
we're
going
to
plant
trees
in
300
cubic
feet
of
soil
and
that's
not
enough
to
bring
them
through
their
entire
lifespan,
then
we're
not
really
meeting
the
objective
of
this.
The
overall
objective
of
this
task
force.
J
Well,
I
I
guess
I
would
I'm
no
no
tree
expert
by
any
means.
What
I've
learned
in
this
process
is
that
all
urban
trees
do
not
live
as
long
as
trees
do
in
the
forest
that
even
that's
not
even
true
right,
depending
on
the
tree,
but
the
more
soil
volume
that
we
give
them
the
better
they
do,
assuming
they
also
get
water
and
things.
J
So
I
think
anything
we
do
to
move
in
a
direction
of
greater
uncompacted.
Soils
is
moving
in
a
good
direction
and
we
want
to
move
toward
the
the
ideal
soil
volume
for
large
trees,
which
is
understood
to
be
a
thousand
or
1200
cubic
feet.
We
want
to
move
as
close
to
that,
as
we
can.
F
All
right
just
for
time's
sake,
I'm
wondering
if
this
should
be
further
discussed
in
the
task
group.
Amy
I'll
defer
to
you.
A
Yeah,
I
wasn't
upset,
I
think
that
was
all
the
questions
so
yeah
unless
there's
something
quick,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
update
vidilla
and
as
well
as
ed
and
patrick's
work
on
that
subcommittee.
A
So
we'll
keep
that
going
and
keep
us
posted
as
a
group
as
progress
is
made
all
right.
So
next
on
the
agenda,
our
staff
reports
mark
did
you
have
anything
to
add.
You
guys
can
read
his
report
here,
but
anything
else
going
on.
L
Oh,
it's.
It's
just
been
a
busy
time
with
wind
and
snow
and
rain
storms.
My
guys
just
kept
a
white
pine
from
falling
down
this
morning
that
wanted
to
embrace
the
earth
and
so.
L
Removing
it
it
was,
it
was
uprooting
yeah,
I'm
sorry
if
I
come
across
as
so
grouchy
as
a
tree
lover
here,
but
it's
it's
kind
of
like
being
a
cop,
my
interactions
with
trees.
I
I
too
often
encounter
them
behaving
badly
rather
than
behaving
well.
You
know
I
don't
always
just
get
to
enjoy
their
benefits.
I
have
to
put
up
with
their
attempts
to
squish
things
so
yeah.
F
L
A
All
right
well,
thank
you.
Sharon.
C
Hey
mark,
I
think
I
asked
you
this
two
years
ago
and
I
can't
remember
the
question:
do
we
bring
in
an
outside
consultant
to
treat
the
emerald
ash
borer.
L
No
you're
you're
you're,
looking
at
the
guy
who's,
been
treating
city
trees
for
emerald
ash
borer.
I'm
the
plant
health
care
section
and
probably
getting
some
more
help
from
parks
and
rec
is
something
that
I
should
try
to
solicit
from
them
since
they're,
almost
always
on
park
properties
rather
than
in
right.
Subway.
L
No
I've
been
doing
soil
drench,
I
can't
afford
it.
We've
had
some
pro
bono
treatments
of
trees
in
kenilworth
park
and
I
think
one
other
park
over
in
west
asheville
where
the
trees
were
injected-
and
you
know
that's
that's
wonderful,
but
it's
also
not
affordable.
L
For
me
on
my
annual
budget
cycles,
either
dynavinotepheran
or
a
midicloprid
is
more
affordable
and
it's
it's
delivered
by
drench
or
by
donatefriend.
I
can
do
a
bark
spray
and
I
just
have
to
get
it
in
onto
the
tree
a
little
earlier
in
the
process
than
you
would
with
mmectin.
C
L
L
L
It
boils
down
to
how
much
time
have
you
got
in
your
treatment?
You
know
in
the
life
cycle
of
the
insect
and
where
you
start
your
treatment.
If
you
guys,
if
you
start
farther
back,
then
you
can
use
the
slower
chemicals.
If
you
are
waiting
until
closer,
you
know
then
you're
going
to
have
to
use
the
faster.
L
Know
I
was
actually
surprised
that
some
of
the
trees
that
were
injected
they
didn't
look
really
qualitatively
better
than
the
trees
that
had
you
know
the
soil
drench.
I
was
expecting
them
to
look
better
and
you
know
they're
they're,
not
so,
but
anyway,
I'll
take
whatever
help.
I
can
get
whether
it's
pro
bono
or
other.
E
A
Next
is
the
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance
report,
what
we're
currently
getting
for
canopy
planted,
preserved
and
feed
in
lupe.
You
all
can
see
on
the
table,
not
much
change.
It's
just
been
a
little
bit
little
projects
so
far.
Any
questions
on
the
table
before
I
get
to
the
next
item
having
to
do
with
our
updated
metrics,
all
right,
which
does
bring
us
to
old
business,
and
the
first
thing
I
put
on
here
was
to
discuss
that.
A
So
I
know
that
we
had
asked
you
know
created
sort
of
a
wish
list
of
metrics
to
see
what
we
could
get
in
relation
to
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordinance-
and
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that's
on
me.
I
haven't
typed
it
up
to
send
it
out
to
get
input
on
that,
but
it
is
on
the
has
made
its
way
to
the
top
of
my
to-do
list.
B
G
H
But
the
staff
doesn't
have
capacity
to
to
take
on
chapter
20
right
now
in
chapter
20
revisions.
If
it's
not
like
y'all
are
an
advisory
group
and
as
a
reminder,
you
don't
direct
work.
So
this
is
an
example
of
when
you
have
directed
additional
staff
work
and
we
just
don't
have
the
capacity
to
be
honest
like
if
we
did
we'd
try
and
work
it
in,
but
we
don't.
H
We
have
too
many
people
out
and
various
other
things,
but
then
that's
the
other
part
of
that
is
that
if
it
does
need
to
go,
then
part
of
this
process
is
to
make
a
recommendation.
A
B
I
make
a
route.
Can
I
report
that
we
we've
been
recommending
a
revision
of
chapter
20
for
well
over
a
year,
and
the
committee
has
actually
revised
chapter
20
for
you
all
the
city
has
to
do
is
review
it
and
then
either
accept
our
changes
or
not,
but
that
chapter
is
so
darn
obsolete.
It's
almost
it's
almost
worthless
at
this
point,
and
so
so
you're
saying
that
we
have
to
make
the
recommendation
to
city
council
and
revise
chapter
20
so
that.
G
A
So
far,
city
staff
has
been
really
amicable
in
working
with
us
in
all
of
our
little
things
that
we,
you
know,
ask
them
to
help
us
with,
and
I
totally
didn't
know.
Obviously
you
can
have
your
own
opinion
on
how
that
process
should
work,
but
that's
what
they're
asking
us
to
do
with
this
right
now.
B
B
B
So
if
you
can,
let
us
know
what
the
process
is
to
get
the
city
engaged.
I
would
appreciate
it.
A
What
we
need
to
do
right
now
is
make
a
recommendation.
We
can
either
do
it
verbally
right
now.
I
move
that
we
recommend
to
city
council
this
this
and
this
or
if
we
want
to
write
it
up
more
formally
beforehand,
like
we
sometimes
do
when
we
sort
of
have
a
plan
for
something
like
that,
we
can
do
that
and
do
it
at
a
future
meeting.
A
N
N
Making
a
suggestion
for
a
recommendation
and
it
does
formalize
the
work
now
with
that
recommendation,
as
your
liaison
I'll
carry
forward
or
any
recommendations
that
you
make
to
counsel,
then
a
majority
of
council
at
minimum
would
need
to
instruct
the
city
manager,
which
would
then
gauge
capacity
with
staff,
just
like
we
saw
with
our
strategic
priorities
at
the
council
retreat,
and
we
may
come
back
and
hear
the
exact
same
answer,
which
is
that
we
lack
the
capacity
to
address
it.
But
this
is
a
way
to
approach
it
from
both
sides.
G
B
A
Yeah
absolutely
so,
let's
have
the
rest
of
the
discussion,
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
go
with
patrick.
D
So
is
this
a
new
process
that's
been
put
in
place
absolutely.
A
Not
we
were
doing
it
wrong
before
it's
very
clear
in
all
of
the
city
handbooks
that
the
commission
members
cannot
direct
city
staff
work
again
up
to
this
point,
they've
been
like
flexible
with
us,
you
know
with.
They
can
also
solicit
our
help
and
ask
us
you
know
to
help
them
with
something
that's
already
on
their
workload.
Does
that
make
sense,
and
that
was
probably
more
the
case
with
the
tree
canopy
protection
ordinance.
They
were
going
to
work
on
it
anyway.
A
D
Well,
even
even
going
back-
and
I
I
don't
want
to
put
him
on
on
the
spot,
but
even
going
back
a
year
ago
when
we
first
brought
this
up.
I
remember
eric
edgerton
saying
yes,
this
this
particular
ordinance
is
so
obsolete
that
it
needs
to
be
completely
revised.
A
A
Shannon
sharon,
shannon
tuck,
was
telling
us
that
she
was
planning
and
working
on
an
ordinance
revision
in
2018,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
it's
skin
something
that's
on
the
actual
workload
and
goals
for
city
staff.
Does
that
make
sense?
A
D
So
yeah
I
understand,
but
you
know
going
back
to
the
point
where
ed
and
I
took
a
lot
of
time
to
go
through
and
revise
chapter
20..
Everybody
knew
what
we
were
doing.
Everybody
understood
at
that
point
that
the
process
would
be
to
then
give
this
over
to
the
city.
D
So
I'm
like
I'm
like
ed.
This
is,
like
you
know,
being
sucker
punched
with
something
that
we
could
have
been
told.
You
know
a
long
time
ago.
That's
why
you
know
I'll.
C
Please
yeah.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
I
don't
interrupt
you
which
I'll
probably
do
this
went
back
to
public
works,
working
with
greg
schuler
and
asking
to
when
I
first
started
at
ufc
to
work
on
chapter
20.
That
was
the
first
rewrite
we
needed
to
do
and
we
were
asked
to
participate
in
that
and
I'm
just
going
to
say
we
have
a
failure
to
communicate
and
all
the
way
around,
and
I
understand
what
city
staff
is
going
through,
but
I
concur
with
ed
and
patrick
and
myself.
C
We
have
spent
many
many
many
hours
on
this
way
back
when
from
four
years
ago
to
be
told
that
there's
a
new
process.
Yes,
there
is
a
new
process
and
yes,
staff
is
overworked,
but
again
what's
happening
now
is
there's
shakes
up
with
boards
and
commissions
and
they're
redefining
what
we
do
and
what
we
don't
do
and
we're
feeling
the
trickle-down
theory
of
what
that
looks
like
and
I'm
extremely
irritated
about
it.
So
that's
all
I'm
going
to
say
I
understand
it.
C
I
know
why
it's
happening,
but
it's
completely
annoying
of
all
the
hours
and
time
of
work
that
everybody's
put
in
to
do
on
chapter
20,
and
it
is
a
good,
viable
rewrite
that
doesn't
need
any
editing
at
all
unless
there's
something
that
needs
to
be
done
on
the
back
side.
That
ben
would
know
about
so
yeah,
I'm
extremely
annoyed.
K
Thank
you.
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
step
back
a
little
bit
from
the
conversation
nancy's
kind
of
in
a
difficult
position,
because
I'm
just
going
to
be
real
straight.
Chris
was
supposed
to
reach.
K
Doubt
nancy
was
even
prepared
to
talk
about
it
today,
so
you
kind
of
drew
the
short
straw
on
that
nancy.
But
I'll
say
I'll,
say
this:
there
does
need
to
be
edits
to
it
sharon
so
there
are,
there
are
the
stuff
we
will
need
to
propose
some
changes
back
to
the
group
that
worked
on
I'll,
go
ahead
and
tell
you
that,
and
maybe
the
better
way
to
approach
this.
Is
it's
not
I'm?
Okay
with.
I
think
we
should
do
it.
I
think
that
somebody
said
earlier
and
eric
said
this.
K
The
chapter
20
is
super
dated.
It
needs
to
be
updated.
100
agree
with
everybody
on
that,
so
I
would
rather,
I
would
rather
say:
let's
not
drop
it,
and
I
know
councilman
romney's
on
here
and
there's
processes,
but
I'd
still
like
to
kind
of
keep
it
on
the
radar,
because
there
has
been
a
lot
of
energy
put
into
it.
K
A
N
Ahead
kim
so
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
there's
an
option
to
make
a
recommendation
to
council
to
instruct
staff
to
add
capacity
or
what
ben
is
saying
is
by
taking
time
to
maybe
make
that
written.
Formal
recommendation
that
ed
mentioned
bring
that
to
the
next
meeting.
Would
that
be
enough
time
to
then
reach
out
to
the
sub
committee
and
make
sure
that
this
group
is
informed
of
the
process?
Has
the
support,
but
also
understands
the
staff
capacity
that
could
be
included
in
the
recommendation.
A
A
That
you
know,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
from
ben
is.
It
might
be
something
that
you
know.
Perhaps
even
next
fall,
we
pick
back
up.
You
know
it'll
really
depend
on
capacity.
I
I
agree
with
you
that
that's
a
separate
recommendation
where
we
could
say
hey,
maybe
there's
not
enough
capacity
to
begin
with.
A
I
think
our
recommendation
should
really
focus
on
the
need
for
the
revision
of
the
ordinance
personally
but
I'll
hear
from
the
policy
working
group
on
how
I
don't
think
we're
not
going
to
get
rid
of
the
policy
working
group
as
a
commission,
it's
just
so
everybody
knows
I
mean
that
we
can
have
a
working
group
on
whatever
we
want,
but
we
do
want
to
value
our
own
time
and
you
know
make
sure
that
we're
spending
our
time
on
things
that
will
be
beneficial
and
and
be
completed
so
I'll
pass
it
back
to
the
policy
working
group
on
how
you
want
to
proceed
in
this
moment.
A
Listening
to
what
ben
had
to
say
and
the
potential
to
create
a
recommendation,
so
patrick.
D
A
K
Yeah
I
mean
it
probably
does
I
just
I
need
I'm
just
not
prepared
patrick
I'd
like
to
to
schedule
a
time
to
sit
down
with
with
the
policy
working
group
and
try
to
figure
this
out.
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
patrick.
I
just
know
that
I
just
want
to
value
the
work
that
you've
done
at
patrick
and
sharon
so,
like
I
understand
that-
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
leave
this
meeting
today
without
all
of
this
being
pushed
to
the
side
but
I'll.
K
Just
repeat
we
need
we
need
to
as
a
department
and
working
with
you.
We
need
to
build
some,
probably
greater
structure
around
how
we
undertake
projects
and
build
timelines
for
those
and
just
a
little
more
formality.
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
asking
and
kim.
I
appreciate
your
support.
Councilman
roloney.
I
appreciate
your
support
on
this
and
I
just
would
like
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
policy
working
group
to
talk
about
this.
A
little
more.
B
Yeah,
no,
that's
fair.
I
I
think
that
you
know
if
we
circle
back
and
have
a
conversation
and
that
that's
great
and
I
don't-
I
don't
disagree
with
there
having
to
be
a
need
for
structure.
I
completely
understand
that
it's
just
you
know
changing
our
process,
midstream
that
I
find
really
difficult,
especially
since
we've
invested
time.
B
As
for
chapter
19,
I
consider
that
a
process
that
is
still
in
progress
when
we
adapt
adapted
adopted
the
canopy
amendment.
We
all
agreed
that
we'd
revisit
it
after
a
year
or
so
to
fix
some
bugs
and
make
some
tweaks
and
we're
at
that
point
now.
So
you
know
again,
if
we're
going
to
change
direction,
we
at
least
need
to
know
about
it,
so
we
we
can
learn
how
how
to
function
more
more
effectively
and
efficiently
and
thanks
nancy
for
having
to
carry
the
bad
news.
B
I
know
it's
not
your
fault,
but
that
was
a
tough
place
to
be.
A
All
right,
thanks
ed,
so
it
sounds
like
next
step-
would
be
a
meeting
with
probably
just
ben
and
whoever
he
wants
to
invite
from
his
side.
Let
me
know
if
there's
any
assistance
needed
in
setting
up
something
like
that
and
feel
free
to
include
me
in
that
meeting
all
right,
and
then
we
can
talk
as
well
in
the
policy
working
group.
I
think
if
we
want
to
create
a
recommendation
to
city
council
to
adopt
chapter
20,
that
it
will
probably
come
out
of
your
working
group
but
again
touch
base
with
me.
A
I
I
don't
think
I'm
yes,
I
am
yes,
I'm
good.
Well,
then,
oh
you're
right
cause,
I'm
not
on
the
budget,
one,
because
that
one
had
too
many
well,
then
include
me,
please
sorry,
I
just
wanna
we're
avoiding
the
quorum
by
having
me
on
all
the
working
groups.
Obviously
so
yes
look
me
in
and
we'll
get
that
going
all
right
anything
else
on
that
one.
A
Next
working
group
is
the
budget
request
working
group
I
had
ed
on
there
too.
I
will,
if
it's
okay,
I'd
start
with
a
little
bit
of
background
work
just
right
this
week,
I've
gotten
a
request
for
one
meeting
with
city
council
and
I
have
a
draft
meeting
requests
to
send
out
to
the
other
city
council
members
to
set
up
the
one-on-one
meetings
so
just
update
everybody,
nothing
set
yet,
but
I
am
working
on
that.
H
D
So
I'm
just
going
on
the
system
times
article
that
the
newspaper
did
about
the.
I
think
it
was
the
council
budget
working
group
session
and
the
council
priorities
that
the
city
council
has
tentatively
laid
out
and
picking
apart
those
priorities,
at
least
according
to
the
article.
D
It
said
that
there
would
be
some
a
priority
given
to
urban
forestry,
and
so
I
was-
and
my
question
could
be
both
to
ban
into
kim
whether
that
can
be
translated
into
budget
support
for
an
urban
forester.
N
I'm
happy
to
jump
in
here
if
that
feels
appropriate,
so
we
retained
from
our
council
budget
retreat
the
two
strategic
priorities
from
2021
of
reparations
and
reimagining
public
safety.
New
priorities
include
equitable,
affordable
housing
and
stability,
homelessness,
neighborhood
resilience
and
improved
and
expanded
core
services.
So
having
brought
neighborhood
resilience
to
the
table
during
the
retreat.
N
The
action
items
I
included
under
neighborhood
resilience
would
be
the
climate
justice
initiative,
resource
mapping
and
the
urban
forestry
master
plan
and
staffing,
as
well
as
food
systems
and
security,
storm
water
mitigation
and
a
few
other
things.
So
I
will
add
that
the
next
step
of
this
is
the
city
managers
who
are
going
to
review
the
council's
strategic
priorities
with
staff
gauge
capacity
and
communicate
next
steps,
which
will
include
a
budget
impact,
and
our
next
budget
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
april
12th.
N
So
next
tuesday,
a
week
from
today.
So
whether
or
not
it
means
that
it
is
secured
in
the
budget
process
is
yet
to
be
determined,
but
it
is
on
the
table
as
an
action
item
underneath
neighborhood
resiliency,
which
is
how
I
got
it
to
be
even
considered
at
the
retreat,
is
my
perspective.
That
is
not
an
opinion
of
the
full
counsel.
It
is
my
opinion,
which
is
why
I
sent
it
to
you
as
a
liaison
report
from
my
desk.
A
Thank
you,
so
that
makes
sense
everybody
as
we
continue
our
engagement
with
city
council
members,
I'm
really
focusing
in
on
that
priority
city
council,
priority
of
neighborhood
resiliency,
that's
where
we
can
put
our
requests,
but
in
the
context
of
climate
generally
speaking
stormwater,
but
really
focusing
in
on
that
urban
forestry
piece
for
us.
Sharon.
C
Hey
kim
I
miss
is
the
budget
meeting
before
the
council
meeting.
I
missed
the
email
on
that
somewhere.
Yes,.
N
It
is
scheduled
for
2
30..
It
will
be
in
person
at
the
harrah's
cherokee
civic
center.
Okay,
thank
you
and
just
a
note
that
the
budget
work
sessions
do
not
have
an
element
of
public
engagement
already
woven
into
them.
So
it
is
certainly
welcome
for
folks
to
come
and
bear
witness
to
participate
in
the
process
of
giving
feedback
either
by
reaching
out
directly
whether
it's
email
or
phone
calls
or
by
making
comments
in
the
council
meeting
later
that
evening.
N
But
there
is
not
an
a
public
comment
period
in
our
budget
work
sessions.
A
G
A
While
they're
in
budget
discussions,
you
know
really
highlighting
our
request,
and
so
I
encourage
everybody
to
do
that
as
well
as
individual
citizens,
you're
free
to
email,
all
the
city
council
members
as
well
so
and
their
emails
are
very
easy
to
find
on
the
city
website
anything
else
there,
hopefully.
N
Next
month,
we'll
have
an
update,
I
would
just
say,
because
it
is
named
as
a
top
six
council
priority.
I
would
just
say,
extend
gratitude
and
and
come
from
a
place
of
assuming
support
as
you're
making
the
case
for
urban
forestry
master
plan
and
the
staffing
to
support
it.
A
A
We
also
met
as
the
urban
force
master
plan
working
group,
but
with
the
fee
in
lieu
group.
Our
discussions
were.
How
are
we
going
to
set
up-
and
we've
talked
about
this
before
generally
speaking,
but
how?
What
would
the
framework
look
like
for
decision
making
in
terms
of
how
this
money
would
be
spent?
No,
it's
not
our
money,
but
how
would
we
recommend
to
the
city
that
they
prioritize
the
spending
of
family
money?
A
Obviously,
it's
intended
to
replace
tree
canopy
where
it
was
purchased
out
of
a
project,
but
that
can
take
on
many
different
ideas
and
frameworks,
whether
it's
planting
a
specific
site
or
enhancing
street
trees
or
parks
or
potentially
purchasing
land
to
preserve
as
some
sort
of
canopied
green
space.
Now
what
we
kind
of
came
up
against
is
so
what
happens
next
so
say
we
do
have
a
recommendation
for
a
parcel
of
land
or
a
planting
project.
How
do
we
initiate
that?
A
Where
does
it
go
and
what
we
have
on
the
table
right
now
as
a
tool
that
we
can
use
our
recommendations
to
city
council
as
we've
been
talking
about?
So
if
there's
any
discussion
on
fianlu
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
that
the
working
group
put
together,
one
recommendation
to
start
off
in
our
discussion.
A
A
There
is
a
parcel
downtown,
sometimes
known
as
the
ravenscroft
reserve
or
collier
street
project
that
is
has
many
large
maturing
trees
has
not
developed
and
there
have
been
citizen
groups
recommending
the
purchase
of
that
property
as
a
preservation.
A
So,
as
a
committee,
we
initiate
some
help
for
a
recommendation
to
city
council
to
purchase
or
recommend
at
least
exploring
the
support
of
purchasing
this
parcel
as
preservation.
So
before
I
read
the
recommendation
go
ahead.
Sharon.
A
Go
ahead
and
read
it,
and
then
we
can
discuss
it
before
we
vote.
Okay,
so
here's
the
recommendation
I'll
go
ahead
and
read.
It
is
included
in
the
agenda
items
for
this
month.
So
this
is
a
draft
recommendation
from
the
urban
forestry
commission
to
city
council
for
the
city
of
asheville
to
use
fee
and
lieu
funds
from
both
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordinance
and
open
space
ordinance
towards
the
purchase
of
the
forested
property
located
located
at
11
collier
avenue
in
the
south
slope
as
urban
forest
land
acquisition.
A
A
Along
with
providing
shading
and
evaporative
cooling
strongly
contributing
to
asheville's
energy
transition
goals
and
climate
resilience,
and
whereas
an
urban
forest
canopy
analysis
commissioned
by
the
city
of
asheville
and
the
urban
forestry
commission
documented
a
canopy
loss
of
6.4
percent
or
891
acres
of
trees
over
a
10-year
period.
This
is
an
area
larger
than
central
park
in
new
york
city,
with
a
subsequent
loss
of
environmental,
social
and
economic
benefits
and
values,
and
a
nasa
study
documented.
A
A
substantial,
ongoing
spike
in
the
urban
heat
island
effect,
particularly
in
areas
with
marginalized
communities
and
whereas
it
is
critically
important
to
reverse
this
trend,
to
provide
a
healthy
environment
and
environmental
equity,
to
make
asheville
as
climate
resilient
as
possible
and
to
buy
provide
for
a
sustainable
future.
And
whereas
the
asheville
city
council
has
adopted
a
tree
protection
amendment
to
the
city's
unified
development
code,
section
719-1,
which
is
a
canopy-based
ordinance
that
gives
developers
and
builders.
A
Now,
therefore,
it
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
asheville,
that
the
city
of
asheville
will
prioritize
the
acquisition
of
land
for
the
conservation
of
trees
in
the
central
business
district
utilize.
The
funds
generated
from
the
tree.
Canopy
protection
ordinance
amendments,
family
funds
to
acquire
the
property
located
at
11,
collier
avenue,
asheville
north
carolina
2801
for
the
purpose
of
permanently
protecting
this
parcel
of
undeveloped
urban
forests.
A
C
Okay,
so
before
I
even
got
involved
in
the
urban
forestry
commission,
I
met
ingen,
impkus
and
I've
been
supportive
of
this.
So
I
am
supportive,
but
I
got
a
couple
questions
to
the
committee.
A
This
recommendation
is
only
to
put
it
on
the
table.
It's
actually
not,
it
doesn't
even
say
who
will
own
it?
What
purpose
it'll
serve
if
it's
a
park
or
just
a
preserve?
We
just
want
to
make
basically
sort
of
like
forcing
the
hand
of
how
are
we
going
to
make
this
decision-making
process
by
focusing
on
this
one
parcel
as
opportunity.
C
Right
so
when
we
go
to
submit
this
to
say,
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
I'm
only
familiar
with
going
to
council
with
presenting
this
live
and
having
questions,
we
accept
it,
but
then
we've
got
everything
on
the
backstory
of
it,
which
is.
Are
we
looking
at
changing
the
open
space
ordinance
fee
and
lou
to
to
work
within
this
acquisition,
because
that
has
a
whole
different
statement
and
a
whole
different
application?
A
It's
just
to
initiate
the
conversation,
because
the
city
has
a
lot
of
things
they
could
do
and
we're
not
forcing
any
of
them.
You
know:
are
they
going
to
set
it
up
with
a
non-profit?
You
know
and
fund
the
non-profit
to
to
do
the
purchase.
For
example,
are
they
going
to
purchase
it
themselves
and
own
it
as
a
park?
Are
they
going
to
so
we're
not
dictating
or
even
asking
for
any
specific
outcome
other
than
long-term
preservation.
C
A
Yeah,
I
would
expect
there
would
be
questions,
but
again
I
and
you
know
we
can
discuss
this
if
this
is
premature,
but
the
goal
here
is
to
open
that
discussion.
You
know
because
nobody
has
on
the
city
side
set
up
any
process.
We
have
these
funds
coming
in
and
there's
there's.
No,
there
is
no
process,
so
we're
trying
to
sort
of
initiate.
A
Okay,
but
I
like
the
questions,
they're
really
good,
so
let's
take
the
other
discussion
if
you
think:
okay,
okay,
thank
you!
No
problem,
patrick.
A
We
just
included
that
to
again
initiate
the
conversation
that
these
funds
are
intended
to
help.
You
know
it
just
seems
like
the
perfect
opportunity,
there's
so
few
downtown
places
where
there
aren't
anything.
You
know
anything
at
all
to
preserve,
and
this
is
one
that
is
available.
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
you've
answered
most
of
the
questions
very
well.
The
whole
idea
is
to
put
this
on
the
table
and
to
to
tell
city
council
that
this
is
a
priority
and
it's
a
inappropriate
use
of
both
open
space
and
and
fee
and
lieu
funds
or
canopy
funds.
B
B
The
other
thing
is
how
what
kind
of
shape
or
form
this
thing
could
take
would
require
some
exploration
on
the
city's
part,
and
I
think
there
are
partners
that
would
be
willing
to
help
with
that
from
the
non-profit
sector
and
that
there's
also
some
pro
private
funds
that
the
city
could
leverage
for
the
purchase
of
this
land.
So
it
just
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
make
this
a
priority.
B
I
was
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
accept
this
recommendation,
but
I
want
to
sharon
has
more
to
say
I
think.
C
Okay,
yeah
open
space,
where
it's
going
now
we're
waiting
on
that
lawsuit
right.
However,
that
forms
and
then
it's
gonna
need
to
be
rewritten
for
sure
and
so
and
if
we
can
do
that
within
a
text
amendment,
then
this
is
a
perfect
opportunity
to
do
so.
C
If
our
new
iteration
of
boards
and
commission
how
we
exist-
and
we
have
that
opportunity
to
do
so
or
some
boarding
commission
does
so
I'm
I'm
thinking
that
we
throw
the
whole
kitchen
sink
at
them
and
say
this
is
what
we
want
and
then
this
is
what
we'd
like
to
see
and
then
hone
it
down
and
I'm
in
agreement
with
you
as
it
gets
more
formalization,
so
that
therefore
they
see
the
big
picture
and
see
the
whole
thing
and
see
that
open
space
will
probably
be
changed
more
than
likely
and
that
they
can
think
more
thoroughly
on
our
fee
and
lou
on
719.
A
B
I
move
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
accept
this
recommendation
or
approve.
This
recommendation
is
written.
D
A
E
And
go
ahead
just
to
clarify
and
to
confirm
that
we
just
voted
to
approve
the
resolution
as
written
as
it
appears
on
the
agenda.
A
Correct
we
did,
we
didn't
take
any
revisions.
Thank
you,
that's
correct,
thank
you,
and
I
will
just
as
a
side
note
for
anyone
listening
say
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
would
be
happy
to
assist
with
processes
and
discussions
around
that
and
see
where
we
can
go
with
it.
So
all
right
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
urban
forest
master
plan
working
group
and
again
that
was
ed
and
zoe,
and
myself
with
that
working
group.
A
We
set
a
goal
for
the
working
group
to
be
so
whether
or
not
we
are
approved
for
funding
for
an
urban
forest
master
plan.
So
if
it's
a
yes,
then
what
would
the
next
steps
look
like?
How
could
we
help
the
city
pros
proceed
with
the
plan
or
if
the
funding
is
not
approved,
what
background
work?
Could
we
as
a
commission,
do
to
further
that
process,
even
in
the
absence
of
funding
for
the
next
calendar
year?
So
that
was
the
approach.
G
A
Took
and
we
decided
that
our
goal
will
be
to
draft
a
rfp
and
sort
of
a
call
for
proposals.
What
would
that
look
like
because
the
rfp
would
outline
what
would
we
expect
in
an
urban
forest
master
plan?
What
would
the
pieces
be?
What
would
the
general
you
know,
scope
of
work,
be
so
that's
where
the
working
group
is
and
nothing
else
to
report
right
now.
That
was
say.
We
kind
of
set
out
that
priority
we're
going
to
work
on
that
in
the
background.
A
F
A
Next,
in
old
business
is
the
rules
and
procedures
update.
Has
everyone
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that
document?
We've
had
it
floating
around
for
a
while
a
little
bit
of
yes,
a
little
bit
of
no
shannon
says
no.
A
Part
of
this
may
end
up
not
meaning
much
if
the
boards
and
commissions
are
restructured,
but
we
don't
know
how
long
that
process
might
take.
So
we
have
to
assume
that
we're
going
to
just
keep
going.
So
I
would
say
a
goal
would
be
to
have
everyone
take
a
look
at
that
by
the
next
meeting.
A
And
it's
a
google
doc,
you
can
add
comments
and
suggestions
right
into
the
document.
Then
we
can
meet
back
up
and
finalize
and
formalize
it
and
have
a
vote.
E
Amy,
I
thought
this
might
be
worth
discussing,
live
there's
just
one
thing
that
stood
out
to
me:
article
5
voting.
So
this
is
article
5a
and
it
says
if
you're
at
the
meeting
and
you
somehow
you
don't
manage
to
vote
you're,
then
that's
counted
as
an
affirmative
vote
and
I'm
it
stood
out
to
me.
I've
never
seen
that
rule
before
and
I
wonder
like
why
affirmative
as
opposed
to
negative
or
why
isn't
it
counted
as
an
abstention?
So
I
I
just
thought.
Maybe
this
would
be
something
we
could
quickly
discuss
like.
A
H
H
For
local
governments
for
us
to
to
you,
know
utilize
in
our
our
for
our
public
meetings.
A
E
I'll
just
suggest
that
if
I
mean
typically
what
I'm
accustomed
to
is,
if
someone
doesn't
vote,
it's
sort
of
counted
as
an
abstention,
and
that
makes
more
sense
to
me
it's
like
kind
of
like
a
stand
aside.
So
that's
that's
what
I
would
suggest.
A
All
right,
patrick.
D
Yeah
on
that
point
for
city
city
councils
for
county
commissioners
and
boards
and
commissions
state
law
doesn't
allow
for
an
abstention
vote
unless
a
member
is
recused
under
the
north
carolina
recusal
law.
So.
E
M
A
A
Coming
from
above,
we
won't
change
that
one
all
right
but
good,
question
and
way
to
get
into
the
detail.
That's
what
we're
looking
for
in
a
read
through
on
that
and
bring
those
questions,
and
hopefully
again
next
month.
A
Maybe
we
can
have
a
chance
to
vote
on
that
all
right
last
on
old
business
is
the
boards
and
commission's
restructuring
there's
not
much
new
right
now,
as
far
as,
if
you've
been
tracking
the
process,
the
city
council
is
setting
up
a
working
group
to
work
on
this,
so
you
can
have
a
chance
to
join
that.
A
I
believe,
still
there
also
haley
or
nancy
sent
out
an
email
that
was
the
last
update
from
the
city,
where
you
have
a
chance
to
sign
up
for
email
updates
to
make
sure
you
stay
in
the
loop
on
the
process.
So
I
encourage
everybody
to
do
that.
I
did
request
to
be
on
the
working
group
for
the
working
groups
so
I'll
keep
you
posted
when
that
kicks
off.
If
I
hear
anything
that
helps
this
group
sharon
good.
C
M
E
We
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
differences
between
the
different
boards
and
commissions
there's
a
lot
of
diversity
in
terms
of
what's
happening
out
there,
and
we
can
consider
modifying
this
to
the
gist
of
it
was
like
she
was
saying
like
we
can
tailor
this
to
the
circumstances
of
different
boards
and
commissions.
So
I
just
want
to
encourage
sharon
and
amy
as
you're
participating,
maybe
keeping
that
line
up
of
like
okay.
This
might
be
an
issue
for
others,
but
here's
what
we
do.
A
D
D
You
know
we
have
from
time
to
time
have
had
issues
come
before
us,
where
property
owners
have
cut
down
trees
on
steep
slopes
and
either
illegally
or
didn't
get
the
permit
or
didn't
follow
the
permit
that
they
were
issued,
and
there
was
a
recent
case
in
east
asheville,
where
I
assume
it
was
a
new
property
owner
in
a
new
house
cut
down
some
trees
on
a
steep
slope,
and
I
brought
that
to
attention
to
some
of
the
members
of
the
ufc
and
while
the
it
was
interesting
because
the
some
people
said
that
the
the
slope
there
didn't
meet
the
requirement
that
a
property
owner
would
have
to
get
a
permit.
D
D
So
it
just
led
me
to
think
that
we
should
start
some
kind
of
discussion
about
looking
at
the
steep
slope
ordinance
and
seeing
if
there's
any
room,
both
rationally
and
legally,
to
make
some
modifications.
D
So
I'll
just
leave
it
there
and
see
what
the
other
commission
members
think
about
it,
whether
we
form
another
working
group
to
explore
this
more
in
depth.
D
But
I
assume,
if
we
go
that
route,
then
at
some
point
we're
going
to
have
to
make
a
request
to
the
city
to
assign
staff
time
to
work
on
this.
So
if
there
is
potential
modifications
to
ordinances,
we
can
get
that
process
started.
A
All
right
any
questions
for
patrick
or
anyone
have
comments
on
the
idea
of
at
least
visiting
or
revisiting
the
seep
subordinates.
Good
sharon.
C
I'm
always
in
favor
of
revisiting
steep
slope
ordinance.
I
think
if
we
can,
if
we
have
to
make
any
additions
to
it,
that
we
make
very
little
minimal,
I
mean
we
have
to
pick
a
point
height
wise.
I
think
our
our
our
point
is
percentage
of
slope
as
opposed
to
height.
C
I
think
that's
more
indicative
of
our
problems
and
I
think
with
staff's
issue
of
so
much
should
do
that
if
we
can
revisit
just
percentage
changes
as
opposed
to
height
changes
on
a
and
b
that
that
may
be
a
better
tweak
for
the
lack
of
a
better
word,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
reinvent
it,
because
it
does
need
to
be
looked
at
and
we
can
we
look
at
it
as
we
determined
with
a
statute
I
sent,
it
can
be
revisited
whether
it
will
be
looked
at
with
our
current
state
of
staff.
A
We
can
we
can
do
whatever
work
we
want
to
in
the
background.
One
thing
that's
always
concerned
me
about:
it
is
the
it's
a
it's
not
very
clear
what
a
private
citizen
needs
to
do
or
provide
to
have
an
alternative.
You
know,
as
we
know,
with
the
project
we
work
on
a
couple
years
ago,
on
sunset
mountain.
A
You
know
there
was
a
homeowner
that
was
very
engaged
and
went
the
extra
mile
to
do
a
landscape
plan
and
engage
us,
but
it's
not
well
laid
out
on
what
those
requirements
might
be
or
could
be
or
should
be.
So
I
I
would
agree
with
revisiting
it
to
see
if
we
can
make
it
not
just
better,
but
you
know
more
helpful,
both
for
the
homeowner
and
the
city.
You
know
to
make
things
more
clear.
C
Right,
it
also
has
ties
in
with
our
grading
permit
issue
where
you
can
clear
cut,
but
you
can't
take
the
stumps
out
because
the
stumps
out
you
can't
grade
over
300
square
feet,
then
that's
a
you
have
to
have
a
grading
permit,
but
you
can
clear
cut
with
just
leaving
the
stumps
in
so
there's
that
issue
tied
into
steep
slope.
A
Again,
as
a
group,
we
can
work
on
it,
knowing
that
you
know
it
may
not
be
any
kind
of
immediate
change,
but
we
can
work
on
it.
Patrick.
D
So
would
it
is
it
appropriate
to
make
a
motion
to
direct
the
the
commission
chair
to
create
a
special
working
group
on
steep
steep
slope,
changes.
A
D
B
Yeah,
I
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
take
anything
until
we
know
what
our
processes
are
and
whether
the
time
is
well
spent.
Sorry,
if
I
sound
a
little
grounded
about
that,
but.
G
B
Yeah
having
having
said
that,
I
think
that
the
steep
slope
ordinance
is
probably
the
easiest
one
to
tweak.
D
D
Yeah,
I
guess
then
we'll
put
that
on
the
agenda
when
we
meet
with
ben
is.
A
C
B
A
Thank
you,
and,
as
always,
if
we
get
to
any
final
point,
we
will
solicit
the
entire
commission
for
feedback
and
input
all
right
anything
else.
There
thanks
patrick
for
bringing
it
up.
D
Thanks
to
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
the
rest
of
the
commission,
members.
A
Thank
you
all
right
last
item
on
new
business.
It's
not
really
much
to
report
here,
but
I
did
want
to
circle
back
because
I
believe
it
was
patrick
that
alerted
us
to
some
tree
trimming
in
the
hall
creek
neighborhood
along
beverly
road,
an
arco
road
sort
of
the
area
by
that
retail
sector
at
the
intersection
there,
the
it
was
duke
energy's,
subcontractors
did
tree
trimming
that
was
pretty
ugly.
The
neighborhood
was
alerted,
we
were
alerted
ed
and
I
went
out
and
walked
the
site
and
took
some
pictures.
A
I
sent
that
up
to
public
works,
the
city,
arborist
and
development
services
and
two
things
I
found
out
ed
later
the
chop
that
was
left
on
the
bank
on
beverly
road.
The
homeowner
wanted
that
to
remain
there.
I
think
it
was
beverly
road
and
mark
can
clarify
for
me.
A
So
part
of
the
the
debris
and
slash
that
was
left
was
actually
at
the
request
of
the
property
owner
now
the
stuff
in
the
there's,
like
a
drainage
area
by
arco,
road
with
a
bunch
of
you,
know,
stumps
and
twigs
left
that
could
potentially
clog
the
drainage
stitch
there.
But
again
I
didn't
get
any.
No.
Nobody
in
public
works
came
back
with
any
sort
of
concern
about
the
issue
so
mark.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add.
L
No
patrick
sorry,
I'm
getting
my
mic
turned
on.
I
was
on
another
page.
Looking
at
gis,
let
me
go
back
over
to
that
map.
I
was
looking
at
the
corner
of
arco
and
trying
to
see
whose
land
that
is.
L
L
So
it's
it's
possible.
The
drainage
might
be
within
right-of-way,
but
I
haven't
had
a
survey
or
anything
to
find
out
for
sure,
but
if
it
if
it
is
something
that
can
plug
up
the
drainage,
then
our
stormwater
people
may
well
be
interested
in
it.
They'd
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
if
it
bothers
them.
Okay,.
D
So
yeah
this
has
been
a
problem
that
we've
discussed
as
long
as
I've
been
on
the
commission
and
originally
when
duke
energy
was
sending
on
a
somewhat
regular
basis,
a
representative
to
the
commission
meetings.
D
We
would
bring
up
issues
about
the
tree
trimming
projects
to,
and
I
forget
the
gentleman's
name,
and
he
would
then
take
it
back
and
have
discussions
with
the
subcontractors
come
back
and
report
I've.
Let
the
subcontra
tractors
know
that
of
the
complaints,
and
you
know
trying
to
work
this
out
with
subcontractors
and
that
was
three
years
ago
and
we're
still
getting
complaints.
D
So
I
don't
know
whether
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
actually
contact
duke
energy
again
and
strongly
request
that
they
send
somebody
to
the
future
meeting
so
that
we
can
discuss
this
again
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
kind
of
resolution
to
this
issue,
because
it's
just
been
ongoing.
A
So
I'm
making
myself
a
note
to
follow
up
on
that,
because
I
don't
think
that
hurts
anybody
to
have
more
communication
and
an
opportunity
to
meet
and
and
discuss
so
duke
energy,
and
they
also
have
thoughts
on
that
I
mean
I
agree.
It's
written
in
that
they're
in
there
for
a
reason.
L
G
L
Right
well
to
speak
to
their
their
pruning.
They,
I
would
definitely
love
to
see
better
final
pruning
cuts.
L
You
know
I
mean
that's
understanding
as
somebody
who
works
storms,
how
much
a
tree
will
move
under
ice
load,
snow
load,
rain,
wind,
that
kind
of
thing
you
need
clearance,
you
know
and
that
clearance
may
be
ugly
and
that
clearance
you
know
made
whatever,
but
the
final
pruning
cut
being
made
so
that
the
tree
can
compartmentalize
that
wound
and
close
it
over.
That's
what
I'd
love
to
see,
but
also
I
understand
that
the
tools
they're
using
are
not
hand
tools.
It's
not.
L
You
know
a
climber's
chainsaw,
it's
a
chainsaw
on
a
stick
being
used
by
somebody
who
is
trying
to
work
in
the
proximity
of
power
lines.
It's
an
insulated
chainsaw
on
a
stick
and
getting
at
the
right
angle,
with
an
eight
foot
pole
to
be
able
to
make
that
right,
pruning
cut
and
it
not
kick
back
and
and
and
wound
the
tree.
You
know
further,
it's
it's
fairly
awkward
and
tricky
business.
You
know
it's
not
residential
arboriculture,
but
once
that
clearance
pruning
is
made,
whoever
owns
the
tree.
L
If
they
have
the
capacity
they
can
then
have
somebody
who
is
you
know
an
isa.
Certified
arborist
come
along
and
safely
make
those
final
pruning
cuts,
because
now
the
clearance
is
there,
and
so
there's
not
going
to
be
a
problem
with
osha
compliance.
You
know,
but
these
the
folks
that
are
printing
for
the
power
company.
They
are
trying
to
get
down
that
circuit
and
cover
ground
they're
not
being
paid
for
ornamental
pruning.
G
A
Well,
we'll
see
I
will
initiate
whatever
kind
of
contact
we
can
make
to
see
if
we
can
get
them
to
come
back
around
to
our
meetings
at
least
periodically
and
have
discussions
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
for
bringing
that
one
to
our
attention.
I
found
out
what
I
could
about
that
specific
issue,
but
not
much
new
there
last
on
the
agenda
is
our
updates
that
are
included.
Were
there
any
that
came
through
green
works
in
oh,
there
were
not.
A
Got
it
well
don,
isn't
here
to
provide
an
update
for
greenworks
but
they're?
They
do
keep
their
website
up
to
date
on
projects
and
events
going
on
the
tree
protection
task
force
did
meet
last
week,
the
primary-
and
that
can
cover
this-
that
we
had
a
presentation
on
from
kudzu
culture
and
their
work
on
kudzu.
A
I
don't
know
if
he's
able
to,
but
that
update
can
come
if
you
have
any
more
nancy.
H
I
was
gonna
say
this
is
not
actually
from
greenworks,
but
from
the
I
met
with
eric
this
morning,
and
we
are
working
on
putting
together
an
on-site
training
for
staff
and
potentially
contractors
and
design
professionals-
maybe
a
little
hybrid
in
office
in
the
field,
training
with
them
on
tree
protection,
ordnance
so
like
in
the
field.
How?
A
A
So
if
we
have
a
motion
we'll
enter
closed
session.
D
B
A
A
D
A
My
vote,
I
so
see
you
later
in
the
closed
session.