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B
C
We
are
live
all
right.
Welcome
everybody!
Thank
you
for
being
here.
My
name
is
amy
smith.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
urban
forestry
commission.
We
are
here
for
our
june
meeting.
We're
gonna
go
ahead
and
start
with
introductions.
As
I
said,
I'm
amy
smith
on
the
chair,
so
just
call
around
the
room,
starting
with
the
commission
members,
so
don.
C
G
C
Thank
you.
I
don't
see
zoe.
She
said
she
might
be
a
moment
late,
so
one
we
have
enough
to
get
started,
but
zoe
will
be
here
and
patrick
is
absent.
Today,
patrick
gilbert
will
not
be
here,
and
so
we
have
some
city
staff
with
us.
You
want
to
introduce
yourselves
haley.
H
I
B
I
C
K
C
L
C
All
right
well,
thank
you
to
everyone
for
being
here
as
a
reminder,
since
we
are
virtual,
if
you
could,
please
mute
your
microphone
when
you're,
not
speaking,
to
avoid
feedback
and
unmute
when
you're
ready
to
speak.
We
will
start,
oh
with
call
to
order
the
meeting
and
then
approval
of
the
minutes
from
last
month,
so
they're
linked
in
the
agenda,
the
action
minutes.
If
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
them,
we
just
need
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
C
Okay,
just
you
know
when
abstaining
is
a
yes
vote
and
I
vote
so
the
minutes
are
approved.
Do
we
have
any
public
comment
today.
H
C
All
right,
thank
you.
We
do
not
have
any
alternative
compliance
on
the
agenda,
so
we're
going
to
start
directly
with
presentations
so
beginning
with
phyllis
and
the
bees
entries
presentation.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
sharing
your
own
screen,
if
you
have
slides,
then
go
ahead
and
take
over.
L
Thank
you,
amy,
okay,
I
won't
be
able
to
see
you,
unfortunately,
as
I
do
this.
So
just
hang
with
me
thanks
so
much
for
this
opportunity.
What
I'm
hoping
to
do
today
is
to
debunk
some
myths
around
trees
and
pollinators.
L
The
first
myth
trees
aren't
important
to
pollinator
habitat,
because
the
best
forage
for
pollinators
is
in
a
sunny,
pollinator
meadow
second
myth
adult
female
bees,
collect
poly
pollen
for
developing
babies,
but
adult
bees,
especially
males,
don't
eat
pollen
themselves.
L
Third,
bees
prefer
heavy
sticky
pollen
and
don't
collect
lightweight
pollen
from
trees
and
other
plants
that
are
wind,
pollinated,
especially
conifers,
and,
lastly,
conifers.
Don't
host
moth
and
butterfly
caterpillars
all
myths,
so
back
in
2007
colony
collapse
disorder
was
just
headline
news
around
the
world.
L
This
famous
article
came
out
in
the
new
york
times
magazine
about
the
insect
apocalypse
and
the
easiest
way
to
understand
the
difference
in
just
the
past
couple
of
decades
is
to
think
about.
If
you're
old
enough,
to
remember
how
much
we
had
to
clean
the
the
dead
insects
off
of
our
windshields
in
our
cars
and
how
infrequently
we
have
to
do
that.
Now.
That's
how
many
insects
we've
lost
both
in
abundance
and
diversity.
L
L
They
are
indeed
a
keystone
species.
Birds
and
mammals
depend
on
fruits
and
seeds
that
result
from
insect
pollination.
One
in
three
bites
is
thanks
to
a
bee.
This
is
a
whole
foods
produce
section
and
when
xerxes
society
worked
with
them
to
remove
everything
that
relied
on
the
pollination
services
of
bees,
this
is
what
the
produce
section
looked
like,
and
recent
research
shows
that
without
the
pollinators,
71
million
people
may
be
at
risk
for
vitamin
a
deficiency.
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L
L
L
In
2015
we
expanded
to
include
university
campuses
and
right
here
we
have
unc
asheville,
the
north
carolina
arboretum
warren
wilson
college
and
blue
ridge
community
college.
Among
the
many
b
campuses
across
the
country
in
2018
we
merged
with
the
xerxes
society
in
portland
oregon.
L
They
have
the
largest
pollinator
conservation
program
in
the
world.
They
have
offices
spread
out
across
the
country
and
they
have
tons
and
tons
of
resources,
which
I
can't
recommend
enough
to
you.
In
the
end,
we
will
conserve
only
what
we
love.
We
will
love
only
what
we
understand
and
we
will
understand
only
what
we
are
taught
so,
as
I
said
before,
we
are
all
playing
catch
up
and
that's
why
that
learning
curve.
L
The
graph
that
I
showed
you
is
so
steep.
We
have
a
lot
to
learn
and
that's
a
beautiful
squash
bee
and
a
zucchini
blossom.
That's
a
male
waiting
for
the
females
to
come
along.
L
We
have
a
green
metallic,
sweat
bee
here.
Our
mantra
from
the
very
beginning
was
never
doubt
that
a
small
group
of
thoughtful
committed
citizens
can
change
the
world.
Indeed,
it's
the
only
thing
that
ever
has
and
here's
proof
of
that,
because
in
all
300
b
city
and
b,
campus
affiliates
now
their
work
was
started
by
a
small
group
of
thoughtful
committed
citizens
and
we're
so
grateful
to
them.
We
hope
to
get
all
50
states
on
board
before
too
long.
L
L
Then
we
have
the
flies
110
000
species-
we're
not
talking
about
common
house
flies,
but
there
are
so
many
of
them
and
we
can
thank
them
for
chocolate.
The
malls.
We
don't
get
to
see
them
very
much
because
they're,
mostly
nocturnal
160
000
of
them
in
the
world
known
species
and
then
their
descendants.
The
butterflies
came
along
later
17
and
a
half
thousand
species.
L
They
mostly
come
out
in
the
daytime,
and
many
of
them
are
migratory.
L
L
L
The
bees
are
considered
the
most
important
pollinators
in
the
temperate
zones,
but
we
value
all
of
our
pollinators,
but
I'm
going
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
why
we
consider
the
bees
the
most
important
for
the
temperate
zones,
as
as
I
can
continue
with
the
presentation
so
trees,
that's
the
topic
today.
They
provide
floral
resources
and
I
want
to
show
you
bees
in
action.
These
are
sweat,
beads
and
you
can
actually
see
them
pulling
the
pollen
off
and
packing
it
on
their
back
legs.
L
Her
legs
are
so
covered
in
pollen
that
it's
kind
of
miraculous
that
she
can
move
or
fly
and
she's
collecting
pollen.
These
are
all
different
varieties
of
sweat
bees
which
are
much
smaller
than
honeybees,
and
we
don't
get
to
see
them
up
close
like
this
very
often-
and
here
comes
probably
a
little
mining
bee
or
something
off
to
the
side
of
the
screen.
L
So
I
just
wanted
to
see
what
they
look
like
when
they're
pollinating
and
they're
collecting
pollen
and
it's
their
only
source
of
protein.
That's
why
it's
so
important
to
the
bees
and
why
they're
considered
the
most
important
pollinators
in
the
temperate
world.
L
Both
angiosperm
and
gymnosperm
plants
produce
pollen
and
80
percent
of
plants
are
angiosperms,
so
cass
urban
mead
up
at
cornell
university
she's,
a
post-doc,
has
been
doing
research
for
the
past
three
years
to
see
what
kind
of
pollen
the
bees
in
the
apple
orchards
are
producing
or
are
collecting.
I'm
sorry,
and
so
she
found
that
30
to
40
percent
of
the
pollen
on
the
bee's
legs
in
the
apple
orchard
was
actually
from
neighboring
forest
trees.
L
So
I
want
to
give
you
one
example
of
pollination:
ecology
just
to
drive
the
point
home
that
flowers
and
their
pollinators
have
worked
out
these
relationships
over
millions
of
years,
and
so
this
wild
tobacco
plant
that
grows
out
in
the
southwest
is
a
host
plant
for
mobs
for
many
kinds
of
hot
cloths.
L
That's
pretty
pretty
amazing
that
this
plant
can
turn
its
nectar
off
and
on
just
by
deciding
itself
what's
what's
happening
to
its
leaves.
L
So,
let's
talk
about
that.
A
little
bit.
Trees
are
preferable
to
bees
and
other
pollinators
because
they
offer
greater
food
density.
There
are
more
flowers
within
a
relatively
small
area
on
a
blooming
tree
compared
with
flower
meadows.
This
makes
trees
a
more
efficient
foraging
ground
for
bees,
and
scientists
have
found
these
show
preference
to
trees,
collecting
a
large
proportion
of
their
diet
from
woody
species.
L
I
want
you
to
see
this
little
mason
bee
mother.
If
I
can
get
it
there,
we
go
she's
a
spring
tree
nectar
collector
she'll,
make
a
sale
out
of
masonry.
That's
why
she's
called
a
mason
bee
she'll
go
out
and
collect
lots
of
pollen
and
then
she'll
unload
that
pollen
in
this
masonry
cell
that
she's
made
and
when
she
thinks
she
has
enough.
She'll
lay
an
egg
on
it
and
she'll
seal
up
that
cell
and
she'll
start
with
the
next
sale,
the
next
cell,
and
so
she
always
builds
nests
in
some
sort
of
cavity.
L
L
But,
interestingly,
its
primary
pollinator
is
a
a
moth
because
its
nectar
production
peaks
in
the
late
afternoon
sourwood,
our
most
famous
honey,
is
sourwood
honey
around
here,
and
so
the
honeybees
obviously
love
the
nectar
of
the
sour
tree.
But
so
do
many
other
kinds
of
pollinators
and
it
hosts
14
moth
species.
L
But
here's
the
the
myth.
Busting
news
nepture
is
pollinator
b
bait,
but
bees
collect
pollen
from
wind,
pollinated
trees
that
have
absolutely
no
nectar,
which
mostly
bloom
in
the
spring,
when
most
bees
need
the
pollen
the
most.
So
all
beekeepers
know
about
how
important
the
maple
trees
are
that
bloom
in
early
spring
for
the
pollen
when
the
honeybees
are
trying
to
build
up
their
hives,
but
we
didn't
really
realize
how
important
even
the
oak
trees
are
for
the
pollen
that
it
offers
bees
spring
bees,
particularly.
L
So
if
you
ever
see
leaves
like
this,
where
little
discs
have
been
cut
out
around
the
edges,
you
know
that
a
leaf
cutter
bee
has
been
there
and
we
know
that
they,
like
maple
and
red
bud
tree
leaves,
but
they
also
like
other
leaf
sources
and
that's
what
a
leaf
cutter
bee
does.
I
mean
looks
like
and,
as
you
can
see,
her
abdomen
is
covered
in
pollen
just
like
the
mason
bees
and
so
they're.
L
The
two
bees
groups
that
put
pollen
on
their
abdomens
instead
of
their
legs,
lepidoptera
babies,
love
their
greens
and
so
they're
reliant
on
trees,
as
well
as
shrubs
and
vines
and
other
plants
for
their
caterpillars.
L
We
all
know
about
the
butterfly
moth
life
cycle.
It
starts
with
an
egg,
they
hatch
out
and
become
a
larva
also
called
a
caterpillar,
and
then
they
transform
into
a
chrysalis
or,
if
they're,
a
moth
into
a
cocoon,
they
pupate
and
they
become
an
adult,
moth
or
a
caterpillar.
So
they
have
different
needs
depending
on
where
they
are
in
their
life
cycle.
They
don't
need
nectar
until
they're,
an
adult,
moth
or
caterpillar,
moth
or
butterfly.
L
We
can
thank
doug
tallamy
for
spreading
this
news
about
how
important
the
trees
are
for
so
many
butterfly
and
moss
species.
So
if
you
look
at
the
oak
right
at
the
top
of
his
list,
of
course,
there
are
a
lot
of
different
species
of
oak
and
all
those
species
taken
together.
The
whole
oak
genus
supports
534,
different
kinds
of
butterflies
and
moths,
and
you
go
down
the
list
and
it
descends
from
there.
Black
cherry
is
another
really
really
important.
L
L
Let's
talk
about
oaks
a
little
more,
they
offer
lots
of
leaves
for
hungry
caterpillar
pillars
and
they
bloom
in
the
spring
when
spring
bees
like
bumble,
bee
queens
are
establishing
their
colonies
or
nests,
and
they
need
lots
of
pollen
and
so
on
our
asheville
b
city
list
that
greenworks
maintains
on
its
website.
L
L
Here
are
some
other
trees
that
just
bring
the
point
home
about
how
important
the
leaves
are.
The
pawpaw
trees
support
the
zebra,
swallowtail
butterfly
and
they're
pollinated
by
beetles
and
flies
because
their
strange
little
flowers
are
pretty
stinky.
They
smell
like
rotting
flesh,
and
so
that's
what
beetles
and
flies
love.
So
that's
why
we
get
that
beautiful,
pawpaw,
fruit,
sassafras
trees
are
import,
are
important
to
a
lot
of
different
pollinators
and,
of
course,
the
spice
bush
swallowtail
uses
the
sassafras
among
some
other
species
for
its
caterpillars.
L
Red
bud
blooms
first
and
then
the
leaves
appear
afterwards.
We
all
love
to
see
those
red
bugs
redbuds
come
in
the
spring.
I
like
to
show
this
picture
from
my
yard.
A
little
kid
pointed
out
this
caterpillar
to
me
on
a
red
bud
leaf
and
it
drives
home
the
point
of.
Not
only
can
we
not
see
what's
happening
up
in
the
treetops,
but
because
these
critters
are
such
masters
of
camouflage,
we
often
miss
them
when
they're
right
in
front
of
our
faces.
This
happens
to
be
a
morning
glory
prominent
moth
on
a
red
bud,
leaf.
L
And
it's
thanks
to
all
those
caterpillars
that
we
have
the
birds
that
we
do,
because
their
baby
birds
can't
eat
hard,
shelled
things.
They
can't
eat
nuts
and
seeds.
They
need
soft
tissue
to
digest
it,
and
so,
when
scientists
put
cameras
on
a
chickadee
nest,
they've
done
this
numerous
times
and
they've
counted
all
the
caterpillars,
the
mom
and
dad
bring
back
to
their
their
baby
birds.
L
L
Butterflies
fly
sometimes
from
as
far
as
canada
to
mexico,
because
they
need
certain
conditions
in
order
to
survive
the
winter
and
those
oily
male
fur
forest
at
high
elevations
provide
just
that
perfect
environment
for
them,
but
right
here
in
our
own
yards,
oh
well,
and
let
me
show
you
what
I
do:
oh
okay
right
here
in
our
own
yards.
We
can
help
these
critters
over
winter
and
nest.
If
we
just
leave
our
leaf
litter
in
the
fall,
we
don't
have
it
hauled
off.
L
All
kinds
of
things
are
living
in
that
leaf
litter
from
bumblebee
queens
to
moths,
butterflies,
fireflies.
We
sure
love
our
fireflies
and
beetles
slugs
centipedes
spiders,
you,
you
name
it.
They
have
to
have
leaf
litter.
But
for
this
talk
I
really
want
to
drive
home
that
94
of
moths
pupate
in
or
under
leaf
litter
during
the
winter.
L
Just
like
these
hummingbird
clearwing
mods,
I
want
to
show
you
this
was
on
plots.
I
filmed
this
just
down
the
street
from
my
house.
It's
always
exciting
when
you
see
a
hummingbird
clearwing
wall,
and
I
want
you
to
look
at
her
proboscis
and
how
expert
she
is
at
just
sending
that
white
proboscis
down
to
the
center
of
every
flower
and
that's
why
these
moths
are
the
primary
pollinator
of
phlox
species.
L
L
If
you
want
to
just
keep
it
off
in
a
corner
where
it's
not
front,
it's
not
center
stage,
that's
fine
or
a
tree
snag.
If
you
just
leave
it
standing
until
it
falls
over,
you
are
supporting
lots
of
pollinators.
L
L
I
want
you
to
notice
that
we
have
the
scientific
and
common
names
when
they
flower
and
their
value
to
pollinators,
and
then
the
last
column
is
who
locally
supplies
those
trees
and
each
species
is
linked
mostly
to
the
north
carolina
plant
toolbox,
where
you
can
learn
a
lot
lot
more
about
each
species.
L
This
is
just
another
page
of
our
tree
list.
So
in
summary,
if
all
the
bees
were
to
go
out
marching
on
behalf
of
pollinators
and
they
carried
their
little
signs
saying
what
do
we
want?
When
do
we
want
it?
They
might
say
something
like
this
during
the
growing
season.
They
want
nectar
for
bees,
butterflies,
moths,
wasp
flies
and
hummingbirds.
L
So
if
we
want
sustainability
and
resilience,
biodiversity
is
absolutely
key,
and
since
we
know
that
nearly
90
percent
of
flowering
plants
rely
on
pollinators
to
reproduce,
then
they
are
key
to
biodiversity.
Tree
diversity
depends
on
pollinator
diversity
and
vice
versa.
At
least
a
quarter
of
our
20
000
bee
species,
specialize
on
certain
pollens
and
most
butterflies
and
moths
have
specific
larval
host
plants.
In
fact,
there's
a
european
bee
that
specializes
on
a
certain
kind
of
oak
pollen
and
when
we
say
that
we
means
that's
the
only
pollen
that
that
bee
will
collect
for
her
offspring.
L
L
So
you
ask
yourself
which
species
expend
is
expendable
as
we're
witnessing
such
mass
mass
extinctions
right
now.
Do
we
want
to
lose
this
incredible
little
sarura,
venula
moth,
it's
just
stunningly
beautiful.
I
just
can't
imagine
the
world
without
this
little
moth
caterpillar,
so
we
want
to
keep
as
many
species
as
we
possibly
can.
So,
please
add
conserving
pollinators
and
biodiversity
generally
to
the
long
list
of
reasons.
We
should
preserve
tree
diversity
and
abundance,
some
resources
to
share,
certainly
our
plant
list
at
the
asheville
greenworks
website.
L
It
was
informed
by
the
federal
highway
administration's
eco-regional
revegetation
database
that
you
can
get
at
that
link.
The
north
north
carolina
extension
gardener
plant
toolbox.
It
is
just
a
gem.
I
was
so
impressed
when
they
released
that
to
the
public.
It
is
dynamite
and
they
just
keep
making
it
better
and
better.
It's
loaded
with
all
kinds
of
pollinator
information
and,
of
course,
bcdusa.org
and
xerxes.org.
L
I
want
to
point
out
on
that
federal
highway
administration
database.
It
has
47
columns
and
I
just
want
you
to
take
a
look
at
those
columns.
It's
amazing
the
amount
of
information
they
provide,
which
is
so
valuable
for
city
development
departments,
and
I
imagine
those
of
you
on
this
call
actually
know
about
this
list.
I
did
not,
and
I
just
I
can't
tell
you
what
a
resource
it
is
and
that
last
column
with
all
the
pollinator
information
xerxes
society
helped
them
develop
that
so
it's
really
rich
as
well.
L
Lastly,
we're
celebrating
our
10th
anniversary,
thank
you,
cecil
and-
and
I
was
so
glad
kim-
I
know
you're
on
this
call,
I'm
so
glad
you're
going
to
come
to
our
pollinator
safari.
This
saturday,
we
are
celebrating
all
year
long
with
tons
of
different
kinds
of
events,
all
fun
and
educational,
and
you
can
find
the
calendar
of
events
on
greenworks
website.
L
So
with
that
I'm
gonna,
I
think
I
can
exit
out
of
this.
There
we
go
and
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
my
screen.
Somehow
did
it
work
hayley?
Am
I
sharing
my
screen?
Still
no
yeah.
We.
H
Are
back
back
to
just
seeing
everyone
on
the
screen.
L
No
presentation
all
right,
thank
you
so
much
and
I
would
love
to
answer
questions
if
there's
time.
C
G
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
phillips.
That
was
a
great
presentation
and
you
actually
left
me
with
more
questions
and
answers
which
shows
how
how
effective
it
was.
I
was
curious,
though
you
mentioned
that
the
hemlock
tree
is
provides
pollination
habitat
for
some.
I
can't
remember
the
number
30
or
40
some
odd
pollinators.
L
E
Was
a
bunch
but
so
losing
hemlock
from
the
adelgid
do?
Are
they
able
to
find
other
trees?
Is
there
a
niche
replacement
for
some
of
these
pollinators,
or
are
they
just
in
trouble
because
of
that.
L
You
know
I
need
what
a
great
question
and
I'll
I'll
tell
you
a
quick
story
when
we
first
started
b
city,
we
were
housed
with
the
tree
commission
and
when
folks
on
the
commission-
and
I
see
cecil
shaking
his
head-
asked
me
well,
do
we
need
to
worry
about
the
hemlocks
in
relation
to
the
pollinators,
and
I
said
oh
no,
no,
no
they're
of
no
concern
to
us,
but
that
learning
curve.
I'm
right
on
that
learning
curve.
L
I
didn't
know
and
I'm
a
big
fan
of
hemlocks,
it's
one
of
our
beloved
native
trees
that
we
want
to
keep
around,
and
so
in
my
own
yard,
I
treat
them
with
neonicotinoids
and
metacloprid
to
preserve
the
trees
from
the
woolly
adelgid.
Now
that
kills
all
the
insects
that
visit
a
hemlock
tree.
It
absolutely
will
there's
no
way
they
can
survive
that
insecticide.
L
E
Yeah
one
more
comment
to
that:
the
amino
croplait
is
is
kills
the
adelgid
when
the
diligent
pierces
the
needles
and
starts
sucking
the
sap
and
pollinators
may
not
get
poisoned
by
picking
up
pollen
from
the
trees.
So
it
may
actually
not
be
as
bad
as
it
sounds.
L
No,
I
think
they
do
and,
and
it
permeates
the
whole
tree
as
my
understanding
and
you
you
plant
experts,
know
more
about
this
than
I
do
so.
Certainly
those
moths
and
butterfly
caterpillars
on
that
tree
are
going
to
be
munching
on
those
leaves
those
needles
and
they're
going
to
get
the
insecticide.
E
Well,
well,
this
all
underscores
you
know
the
importance
of
taking
a
systems
approach
in
our
thinking
with
how
we
manage
our
resources,
even
at
the
most
localist
scale.
Our
backyards
kind
of
getting
away
from
the
idea
of
lawns
and
thinking
snag.
Trees
are
really
okay,
if
they're,
safe
and
leaving
the
leaf
leaf
litter
and
things
like
that.
So
great
presentation.
Thank
you.
I
M
Go
ahead
thanks,
phyllis,
I
learned
a
lot.
I'm
picturing,
some
signage,
like
you,
see
at
the
base
of
a
tree
with
the
latin
name
and
the
common
name
and
then
supports,
and
maybe
highlighting
a
few
pollinators
that
that
tree
supports,
because
I
feel,
like
a
lot
of
people,
aren't
aware
of
how
important
tree
flowers
are
for
pollinators.
L
L
F
Phyllis,
that
was
fantastic.
I
really
enjoyed
your
presentation
and
the
the
zeal
that
you
you
put
into
your
advocacy
for
these
pollinators.
So
do
you
know
about
on
june
14th
the
city
council
meeting
about
the
where
we
can
advocate
for
an
urban
forester
and
an
urban
forest
master
plan
to
be
included
in
this
in
the
budget
for
the
coming
year?.
L
I
do
and
we're
also
doing
a
proclamation
for
b
city
usa
at
that
same
meeting,
great.
F
Great
well,
I
just
thought
if
you
have
an
extra,
you
know
10
seconds,
to
throw
the
point
in
there
that
if
we
want
to
stay
b,
city
usa,
we
have
to
keep
our
tree
canopy.
And
if
we
want
to
keep
our
tree
canopy,
we
have
to
plan
to
keep
it.
And
if
we
want
to
plan
to
keep
it,
we
have
to
come
up
with
a
plan
and
have
staff
to
support
that.
So
I
I'd
love
it.
If
you
would
throw
in
a
plug
for
that,
while
you're
at
the
meeting
on
the
14th.
C
C
If
you
like,
otherwise,
we
appreciate
your
time
so
we're
gonna
hand
it
over
to
renee
fortner
with
riverlink,
and
I
don't
know
if
you're
running
your
own
presentation
or
if
we're
helping
or
if
you're
just
chatting.
M
And
just
briefly,
riverlink
we're
a
local
environmental
nonprofit
that
promotes
the
environmental
and
economic
vitality
of
the
french
broad
river,
watershed
of
which
trees
make
up
a
large
portion
of
our
watershed.
So
there's
we
have
a
lot
of
shared
goals
with
the
urban
forestry
commission
and
today
I'm
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
green
storm,
water
infrastructure
and
trees
are
are
essentially
green.
Green
infrastructure.
M
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
focus
in
on
an
area
of
asheville
that
we've
been
working
in
intensively
over
the
last
couple
years
and
we
refer
to
this
area
as
the
central
asheville
watershed
and
this
map
you
can
see
the
city
of
asheville
city
limits,
highlighted
in
yellow
and
the
central
asheville.
Watershed
is
highlighted
in
red,
so
this
area
drains
into
a
very
popular
section
of
the
french
fraud
river
as
it
flows
through
the
river
arts
district.
M
Just
some
fun
facts
about
the
watershed.
It's
about
two
square
miles,
an
area,
and
that
means
within
this
two
square
miles
all
of
the
water
that
lands
on
the
ground
eventually
drains
to
the
same
location.
M
M
Another
important
thing
to
note
about
this
watershed
is
that
it
is
in
terms
of
land
cover.
The
average
land
cover
is
44
impervious
surfaces,
so
that
means
these
are
hard
surfaces
that
prevent
water
from
soaking
into
the
ground,
and
I
will
also
note
that
in
some
areas
of
the
watershed
downtown,
for
example,
you'll
see
more
like
95
percent
impervious
areas.
M
In
august
of
2020,
we
completed
a
watershed
restoration
plan
for
this
area.
This
was
led
by
blue
earth
planning,
engineering
and
design,
and
we
spent
a
year
long
well.
This
is
the
result
of
a
year-long
study
looking
at
what
are
the
water
quality
issues
in
those
three
streams
that
I
just
mentioned.
M
Where
are
the
sources
of
pollution
and
we
developed
a
list
of
projects
and
initiatives
to
help
address
these
pollution
sources,
and
we've
been
working
since
2020
to
formalize
partnerships
and
acquire
funding
to
implement
the
recommendations
in
the
watershed
plan,
and
so
I'm
going
to
talk
today
about
one
of
them
the
the
main
overarching
recommendations
which
is
for
more
green
stormwater
infrastructure
to
tackle
the
pollution
sources,
as
well
as
I'll
talk
about
a
specific
project
that
was
recommended
in
the
plan
that
we
are
working
to
implement
and
so
yeah
the
watershed
plan.
M
As
I
mentioned,
we
looked
at
the
sources
of
impairment
in
the
streams
and
because
it's
an
urban
watershed-
and
there
are
so
many
impervious
surfaces
in
this
area.
It
wasn't
surprising
to
us
that
storm
water
runoff
rose
to
the
top
of
the
list
as
the
major
source
of
water
quality
issues
followed
by
bacteria
sediment
pollution,
primarily
from
erosion.
So
this
would
be
stream
bank
erosion,
sediment,
leaving
and
construction
sites.
M
There's
a
lot
of
aging
infrastructure
in
asheville,
and
that
includes
a
lot
of
our
culverts
and
stormwater
infrastructure
and
then
within
the
river
arts
district
in
particular.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
former
industrial
sites
brownfield
sites
that
you
know
have
legacy
pollution
that
continues
to
impact
these
streams.
M
So
out
of
this
planning
process
came
75
projects
and
initiatives
that
are
proposed
to
address
these
impairments,
and
we
estimate
between
five
and
ten
million
dollar
investment
is
needed
over
the
next
decade.
M
To
you
know
not
to
restore
these
streams,
to
a
health
that
you
might
see
in
a
waterway
in
pisgah
national
forest,
but
just
to
prevent
further
decline
in
the
health
of
the
streams
and
in
the
habitats
and
and
the
wildlife
that
they
support
to
date.
M
Riverlink
has
secured
around
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars
to
implement
the
plan,
so
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
and
we're
hoping
to
you
know,
keep
keep
the
momentum
going
and
you
know,
as
you
all
know,
with
future
development
in
asheville
and
in
this
watershed
in
particular,
we
looked
at
you
know
future
development
predictions
for
this
watershed
based
on
city
of
asheville
plans
taking
climate
change
into
consideration.
M
I
included
these
two
images
because
they
were
just
really
dramatic
instances
of
how
stormwater
runoff
is
impacting.
These
streams
on
the
left
is
a
photo.
I
took
of
town
branch,
you
know
during
a
normal
rain.
It
wasn't
a
a
huge
like
tropical
storm
event,
and
this
culvert
is
near
choctaw
street
and
the
sediment
plume
in
the
brown
was
actually
ended
up
being
runoff
from
a
construction
strat
construction
site
further
upstream,
whose
their
their
erosion
control
measures
were
not
working.
Well
and
then
there's
this
milky
white
color.
M
Sometimes
it's
an
inky
black
discoloration
in
the
stream
and
then
the
image
on
the
right
is
a
large
goalie,
that's
about
between
10
and
15
foot,
deep
on
the
campus
of
ab
tech,
and
this
is
caused
by
stormwater
runoff
that
originates
on
campus
parking,
lots
and
some
old
school
engineering
that
piped
the
runoff
directly
into
the
forest
out
of
sight
and
out
of
mind-
and
this
is
what
it
has
caused
over
the
last
couple
decades-
and
the
erosion
from
this
gully
eventually
leads
into
haith
branch
and
then
into
the
french
broad
river
and
engineers
have
estimated
that
at
least
20
tons
of
sediment
leave
this
site
on
an
annual
basis
and
enters
the
french
broad
river.
M
So
what
are
we
going
to
do?
What
can
we
do,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
major
recommendation
in
the
watershed
plan
was
for
more
green
infrastructure
and
low
impact
development,
because
these
will
address
the
stormwater
runoff
issues
and
these
photos
are
of
the
green
streets
project
along
craven
street.
This
was
a
city
of
asheville
initiative
that
riverlink
partnered
with
the
city
on
to
get
some
grant
funding
to
implement
these
stormwater
features,
but
this
is
in
front
of
new
belgium
brewery.
Many
of
you
have
probably
seen
this.
M
You
have
bio
swells
on
the
left
and
permeable
paving
on
the
right,
and
these
features
capture
runoff
from
craven
street,
allow
it
to
soak
into
the
ground
where
pollutants
are
filtered
out
before
it
reaches
the
french
broad
river.
So
this
is
a
wonderful
example
of
a
green
infrastructure
project
in
the
city
of
asheville.
M
Just
briefly,
a
traditional
stormwater
infrastructure
in
comparison
to
what
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
the
green
stormwater
infrastructure.
So
what
we
traditionally
have
throughout
our
city
is,
you
know
all
of
the
gutters
and
sidewalks
and
streets.
The
runoff
is
directed
into
a
storm
drain
and
then
that
storm
drain
leads
to
a
system
of
pipes
that
pipe
the
runoff
to
the
nearest
stream.
M
A
lot
of
people
don't
realize
that
storm
drains
do
not
lead
to
the
the
msd
plant
in
woodfin,
where
that
that
water
is
treated,
we
have
a
separate
sanitary
sewer
and
storm
water
piping
system
in
asheville,
and
that
water
goes
directly
into
the
nearest
stream.
So
you
can
imagine
the
various
pollutants
that
it
picks
up
along
the
way
and
delivers
to
our
waterways,
in
addition
to
just
massive
volumes
of
water
entering
our
streams,
all
at
once,
which
exacerbates
flooding
issues.
M
Green
storm
water
infrastructure,
on
the
other
hand,
diverts
that
runoff
first
into
features
that
utilize
plants
and
soil
to
filter
the
runoff
and
soak
it
into
the
ground.
And
this.
This
is
just
a
nice
image
of
what
green
infrastructure
can
look
like
on
a
residential
street.
M
The
green
infrastructure
can
be
implemented
at
many
different
scales
from
the
small
scale
residential
lot,
where
a
homeowner
could
divert
the
gutters
from
their
rooftop
into
a
rain
garden
or
a
cistern
to
a
commercial
parking
lot
where
perhaps
a
large
rain
garden
has
been
constructed
to
capture
the
runoff
to
a
larger
scale
situation
where
maybe
you're
protecting
existing
public
green
space
you're
creating
new
green
space,
which
essentially
serves
as
a
green
infrastructure
because
it's
permeable
and
it
allows
that
the
runoff
to
soak
into
the
ground
where
pollutants
can
be
filtered
out,
and
there
are
many
benefits
to
green
infrastructure.
M
All
of
these
things
promote
climate
resilience,
creates
wildlife,
habitat
and
then
there's
many
human
health
benefits,
as
you
all
know,
to
planting
more
trees
and
having
more
open
green
space
in
our
urban
areas.
M
Just
wanted
to
highlight
one
of
the
proposed
projects
in
the
central
asheville
watershed
plan
that
I
think
the
urban
forestry
commission
could
appreciate,
and
that
is
a
pilot
study
in
the
downtown
area,
where
some
of
the
traditional
storm
drain
inlets
are
retrofitted,
with
stormwater
inlet
treatment
systems
and
the
recommendation
is
that
any
place
that
the
city
is
planning
major
street
and
stormwater
system
of
repairs
and
replacement.
M
M
You
know,
take
a
very
measured
approach
by
installing
a
few
different
types
of
inlet
treatment
systems
and
collecting
data
on
them
to
see
which
one
best
serves
our
city
needs
and
fits
within
their
budget
and
maintenance
limitations
and
one
of
those
an
example
of
a
storm
drain.
Inlet
treatment
system
could
be
a
silver
cell
system.
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
project
is
going
to
take
place
at
erskine
apartments.
This
is
a
public
housing
community
within
the
south
side.
Neighborhood,
currently
there's
a
traditional
stormwater
infrastructure
at
this
site
that
is
designed
to
capture
the
runoff
from
the
rooftops
and
parking
lots
and
divert
it
into
this
concrete
swale
that
you
see
in
the
photos,
this
concrete
swell.
M
The
purpose
is
to
get
the
storm
water
run
off
off
site
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
it
leads
to
a
pipe
that
is
directed
into
nasty
branch
and
so
there's
even
runoff
from
abe
tech
campus
that
is
collected
here
in
a
storm
water
pipe.
That,
then,
then,
is
piped
into
nasty
branch,
and
so
this
project
is
going
to
retrofit
the
site
with
green
storm
water
infrastructure.
M
This
is
referred
to
as
a
regenerative,
stormwater
conveyance
feature,
but
it's
basically
a
sort
of
a
natural
step
pool
design
that
will
provide
an
opportunity
for
the
storm
water
runoff
to
collect
in
the
pools
where
it
can
soak
into
the
ground.
M
So
it's
slowing
the
runoff
down,
giving
it
an
opportunity
to
soak
into
the
ground
before
before
it
reaches
nasty
branch.
So
it's
going
to
filter
out
pollutants.
M
This
feature
is
going
to
be
planted
heavily
with
native
trees
and
shrubs,
and
then
we're
going
to
expand
an
existing
wetland
on
site
so
that
it
can
treat
a
larger
volume
of
runoff
there's
going
to
be
a
walking
trail
constructed
around
the
wetland.
Some
educational
signage.
M
M
We're
also
excited
to
partner
with
green
opportunities,
the
local
workforce,
development
organization
that
is
based
in
the
south
side
community,
we're
going
to
partner
with
them
to
try,
provide
green
jobs,
training
as
part
of
the
construction
of
the
project,
and
we're
really
excited
to
be
to
work
with
them.
M
So
with
that,
I
just
want
to
circle
back
to
the
central
asheville
watershed
plan
itself
and
note
that
you
know
once
we
complete
the
southside
community
stormwater
project.
We
can
check
that
one
off
the
list
and
we
only
have
74
more
projects
and
initiatives
to
go.
M
So
that
is
to
say
that
you
know
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
towards
implementing
this
plan
to
improve
and
protect
water
quality
and
habitat
within
the
central
asheville
watershed,
and
just
you
know,
maybe
to
point
out
the
obvious,
but
this
small,
two
square
mile
watershed
is
just
a
mere
microcosm
of
the
greater
asheville
area
and
the
problems
that
we're
seeing
in
these
urban
streams
are
not
unique
to
this
part
of
asheville.
I
think,
if
you
were
to
look
at
sweden,
creek
comedy
creek,
dingle,
creek,
moore
branch.
M
So
we
know
we
need
more
green
infrastructure
to
tackle
stormwater
runoff
and
to
make
our
city
more
climate
resilient.
So
how
do
we
get
there?
Well,
there
are
multiple
ways
it
will
take.
Take
multiple
approaches,
but
one
way
would
be
to
update
and
strengthen
the
city's
stormwater
ordinance
provide
incentives
for
private
developers.
M
We
we
are
aware
of
the
fact
that
the
city
is
somewhat
limited
and
how
stringent
they
can
make
their
stormwater
ordinance.
So
perhaps
providing
incentives
for
private
developers
to
implement
green
infrastructure
could
be
another
way
of
achieving
our
goals,
lead
by
example,
prioritizing
green
infrastructure
in
public
projects.
M
A
couple
that
come
to
mind
the
cox
avenue
lexington
avenue
proposed
complete
street
could
be
a
green
street
similar
to
what
the
city
constructed
along
craven
street
in
front
of
new
belgium.
So
you
know,
in
addition
to
the
amazing,
pedestrian
and
biking
features
that
will
no
doubt
be
a
part
of
that
project.
M
We
have
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
initiatives
that
are
coming
online
in
the
near
future.
We
should
be
considering
partnerships
and
grant
funding
and
ways
that
we
can
incorporate
green
infrastructure
in
in
those
projects
when
possible,
retrofit
existing
sites
with
green
infrastructure
and
at
the
residential
scale.
If
we
had
enough
residential
properties
addressing
runoff,
then
it
could
collectively
have
a
large
impact
on
water
quality,
and
so
you
know,
one
of
the
barriers
to
implementing
green
infrastructure
on
residential
properties
is,
is
the
cost
to
do
so?
So
we
could.
M
M
And
with
that
yeah,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
if
we
have
time
I
can,
I
can
answer
some
questions.
C
Thanks
renee,
that's
excellent.
We
do
have
just
a
couple
minutes
for
questions,
so
it
looks
like
cecil
go
ahead.
G
I
wanted
to
make
a
quick
comment
and
have
a
question.
The
design
we
had
done
for
the
pending
park
across
from
the
civic
center
includes
a
comprehensive
silver
cell
system.
The
idea
is
that
all
of
the
water
that
falls
on
that
park
will
stay
in
that
park
for
trees.
There
won't
be
tree
pits.
There
will
be
a
continuous
soil
system
for
the
trees
that
are
planted.
So
I
mean
it's
possible.
I
mean
certainly
possible.
We
can
do
this.
My
question
was:
what
is
the?
What
is
the
source
of
the
fecal
coliform
bacteria?
M
Well
likely
a
combination
of
leaky
sewer
lines.
Some
of
those
could
be
private
lines.
You
know
from
from
the
home
to
the
street
and
certainly
fecal
coliform
bacteria
is
president
present
in
storm
water,
runoff
wildlife,
dog
poop
that
doesn't
get
picked
up
off
the
ground,
leaky
dumpsters
in
downtown
that
possibly
drain
into
storm
drains
those
those
could
all
be
sources
of
fecal,
coliform
bacteria.
You
know
in
the
french
broad
river
a
lot
of
that's
coming
from
upstream
and
agricultural
areas
as
well.
M
You
know
cows
in
the
creek,
but
in
our
urban
streams,
like
hate
branch
and
nasty
branch
and
and
bakote
branch,
it's
likely
some
yeah
leaky
sewer
lines
and
just
run
off
from
the
landscape.
G
I
remember
when
I,
when
I
moved
here
in
1980,
they
were
public.
Public
systems
were
putting
dye
into
toilets
to
see
if
it
showed
up
in
a
nearby
stream.
I
hoped
we
kind
of
limited
that.
G
E
Yeah
good
presentation,
thank
you.
It
kind
of
left
me
wondering
how
we
can
break
down
silos
in
the
city,
so
we're
having
conversations
about
increasing
our
soil
volume
standards,
so
so
the
tree
can
grow
and
survive
better
and,
of
course,
silver
silver
cells
have
come
into
that
discussion
and
I
wouldn't
say,
there's
pushback,
but
there's
apprehension
about
the
costs
of
those
systems
compared
to
the
value
of
trees
just
living
longer.
E
But
when
you
add
storm
water
value
and
water
quality
value,
then
it
starts
becoming
much
more
cost
effective,
and
so
the
stormwater
folks
were
talking
to
the
planning
folks
and
we
we
adopted
policy
that
kind
of
crosses
these
disciplinary
areas.
We
really
accomplish
a
lot
more.
It's
just
just
a
comment
I
wanted
to
make.
E
My
second
thought
is
that
that
well
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that,
but
but
it
was
a
great
presentation.
Thank
you.
M
E
Yes,
when
they
have
to
plant
trees
as
part
of
their
development
project
for
street
trees
or
vehicle
use,
area,
trees,
building
impact
trees,
landscape
requirements
that
there's
a
minimum
soil
volume,
that's
provided
to
the
trees
so
that
they
can
survive
longer
and
better
and
capture
more
storm
water,
and
things
like
that.
E
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
the
the
area,
the
watershed
that
you
were
using
showing
us
today,
is
also
one
of
the
areas
with
the
worst
urban
heat
island
in
the
city
and
the
lowest
tree
canopy
cover
so
there's
a
relationship
between
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
in
our
need
to
increase
tree
canopy
to
reduce
that
urban
heat
island.
E
C
Actually,
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
That
was
why
I
asked
renee
to
be
here
today.
I
saw
this
presentation
at
another
meeting
and
that
was
exactly
my
thought
and
actually
something
I
just
wrote
down
was
partnerships
and
how
we
can
try
to
help
bring
these
pieces
together.
So
I
really
appreciate
renee
you
being
here
and
phyllis
again
to
talk
to
us
about
this.
C
C
H
C
All
right,
thank
you,
oh
and
I
just
want
to
say
zoe
hoyle
urban
force
for
commission
member
made
it.
So
just
you
want
to
say
hi.
C
So
the
next
one
is
the
dsctpo
report.
Nancy
included,
updated
information
in
the
table
that
we
can
see
here
and
as
far
as
updating
the
metrics.
That's
on
me.
I've
received
feedback
from
the
group
about
what
we
want
to
see
in
our
metrics
wish
list,
and
I
just
have
not
had
a
chance
to
compile
that
and
send
it
on
to
nancy
and
the
rest
of
the
city
folks.
So
I
will
do
that.
C
C
We've
had
a
couple
meetings,
I
think
a
couple
since
our
last
meeting-
so
I
don't
know
ed
or
anyone
else
wants
to
share
and
update
us
we're
working
on
revisions
to
the
true
protection,
ordinance,
ongoing
discussions
of
chapter
20
revisions
and
then
the
planting
standards
that
ed
mentioned
or
ongoing
work
as
well.
Do
you
have
any
other
specific
updates,
ed
that
I'm
missing.
E
E
We
started
some
initial
discussion
about
the
inclusion
of
heritage
trees
in
that
amendment,
which
I'm
very
encouraged
about
the
landscape
code
group
is
now
focusing
on
parking
lot
tree
planting
standards,
canopy
standards
and
that's
a
good
discussion.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
I
think
at
this
point.
Sharon.
A
A
I've
made
comments
that
he's
responded
back
to
on
changing
the
percentage,
as
ed
says,
counting
sticks
in
the
ground
as
opposed
to
tree
canopy,
and
he's
giving
me
examples
if,
if
we
would
change
our
methodology
into
a
critical
root
zone,
canopy
as
opposed
to
the
size
of
dbh
and
mature
spread,
and
so
I
printed
it
up
it's
about
10
pages
to
look
at,
and
this
has
been
specific
to
my
responses
to
certain
developments
that
are
coming
through
and
I'll
probably
talk
more
to
them
about
it.
A
But
it
looks
like
it's
a
a
change
that
is
workable
and
doable
as
as
ed
says.
Counting
sticks
is
not
as
effective
of
actual
critical
root
zone
and
canopy.
A
So
this
is
where
he's
leaning
and
it's
a
good.
It's
good
thought
process
that
he
has
done
on
this
and
I
just
need
to
wade
through
it.
So
fyi
for
everybody.
C
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Any
questions
on
any
of
that
chris
go
ahead.
J
Hey,
I
just
want
to
try
and
look.
I
want
you
to
chime
in
on
that.
That's
what
sharon's
talking
about
is
what
I've
scheduled
a
meeting
with
the
policy
working
group
on
friday
to
discuss.
There
are
some
potential
problems
with
it
to
be
aware
of,
and
some
issues
to
work
through.
So
we
just
that's
why.
J
C
All
right
anything
else
on
that
one
all
right:
well,
we'll
move
on
to
budget
request
working
group.
So
since
our
last
meeting
we
have
heard
and
now
seen
the
city
manager's
proposed
budget
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year-
that
currently
does
not
include
any
funding
for
an
urban
forester
or
an
urban
forest
master
plan.
Unfortunately,
so
we
have
a
moment
in
time
right
now
to
continue
pushing
for
this
particular
budget
cycle.
C
The
next
meeting
of
the
city
council
with
public
comment,
a
public
hearing
on
the
budget,
is
june.
14Th,
that's
next
tuesday.
I
believe
5
p.m.
If
I'm
not
mistaken
and
that'll
be
in
person,
I
believe
still
I
had.
I
just
checked
this
the
other
day
and
I
forgot
at
the
harrah's
cherokee
center.
If
we
can
have
people
present
for
public
comments,
so
the
budget
request
working
group
was
sort
of
you
know
working
on
some
ideas
of
how
we
might
be
able
to
have
a
coordinated
response
in
person
at
that
meeting.
C
So
we
can
discuss
that.
I
see
that
kimroni
is
here.
If
you
have
any
other
updates
for
us
before
we
talk
about
our
response,
that'd
be
helpful.
K
Nope,
you
are
correct
on
all
those
points:
it'll
be
tuesday
june
14th.
The
meeting
starts
at
5
pm
and
that
will
be
the
single
public
engagement
on
the
the
city's
draft
budget.
Here
at
the
final
hour,
okay
and
yes,
it
will
be
at
the
civic
center
perfect.
Thank
you.
C
All
right
so,
unfortunately,
patrick
isn't
here
today
he
wrote
a
list
of
talking
points
as
well.
I
will
not
be
able
to
be
there
personally
at
that
meeting,
so
I
wanted
to
just
see
if
we
wanted
to
create
a
plan
or
work
together.
As
the
you
know,
budget
working
group
or
if
people
you
know
if
in
this
group,
if
commission
members
knew
they
would
be
able
to
be
there
in
person,
we
could
sort
of
have
a
spin-off
group
that
could
meet
between
now
and
then
to
coordinate
talking
points.
D
Thanks
amy,
I
will
be
there
in
person.
It's
also
that,
as
phyllis
mentioned
earlier
in
her
presentation
b,
city
usa,
which
is
part
of
greenworks,
will
be
receiving
a
proclamation
for
pollination
celebration
for
the
month
of
june
at
the
beginning
of
that
meeting.
So
I
will
be
there
anyway,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
make
a
strong
showing
at
this.
So
I
encourage
anybody
who
is
available.
Who
can
make
it
in
person
to
join
me
and
we
can
coordinate
our
comments
together.
D
I'll
also
be
putting
out
a
call
to
the
tree
protection
task
force.
There
was
a
blurb
that
went
out
in
our
greenworks
newsletter
on
sunday
and
asking
people
to
contact
city
council.
D
One
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
it's
we're
like
way
beyond
the
point
of
making
the
case
for
why
we
need
an
urban
forester
like
that
has
been
made
countless
times.
If
people
don't
get
it,
they
just
don't
get
it,
but
I
think
everyone
does
get
it,
and
you
know
three
years
ago
or
four
years
ago.
It
was
this.
The
city
council,
at
that
time
approved
unanimously
the
need
for
an
urban
forester
in
an
urban
forest
master
plan
and
it's
just
not
been
funded.
D
No
funding
has
been
allocated
in
each
budget
cycle
and
after
each
budget
is
approved
and
there's
no
funding.
We
as
the
tree
protection
task
force
and
urban
forestry
commission
have
put
our
heads
together.
I've
talked
with
people,
city
staff,
city,
council
members
and
been
advised
on
how
to
proceed,
and
we
followed
all
of
those
words
of
advice
to
no
avail,
and
so
it's
extremely
frustrating.
D
I
think
you
can
hear
that
in
my
voice,
I'm
tired
of
this,
and
I
think
we
need
to
hold
city's
council's
feet
to
the
fire
on
on
providing
funding
for
this.
It's
it's
way
beyond
time
that
we
had
an
urban
forester
on
staff
in
the
city.
You
know
across
the
state.
All
these
other
cities
have
urban
forestry
programs
and
urban
foresters
on
staff
and
there's
no
reason
why
asheville,
who
claims
to
be
a
leader
in
sustainability,
does
not
have
an
urban
forester,
so
I'll,
curtail.
D
Join
me,
oh
one,
more
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
the
when
the
urban
forester
position
is
proposed
and
city
council
as
a
whole's
response,
has
been
not
not
any
one
individual
that
I'll
point
out,
but
it
has
been
well.
What
positions
are
you
going
to
cut
in
order
to
provide
funding
for
the
urban
forest,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
unfair
argument
to
make
it's
not
our
job,
to
find
funding
for
this
city
staff
position
and
it's
also
not
our
job
to
cut
positions
or
suggest
which
position
should
be
eliminated.
D
That
is
the
city
manager's
job
and
the
city
council
is
job
is
supposed
to
be
to
instruct
the
city
manager
on
how
to
proceed.
So
that's
the
case
that
I'll
be
making
next
tuesday.
A
Thank
you,
sharon
good
points
dawn.
Are
we
under
the
rules
of
three
people
for
a
nine
minute
presentation,
kim
and
the
budget?
When
we
talk,
is
it
the
same
as
public
comment
normally?
Is
it
would.
K
Be
the
same
as
public
comment,
however,
unless
there
is
an
abundance
of
of
applicants
for
public
comment-
and
I
have
seen
that
happen
where
time
gets
trimmed,
the
standard
public
comment
procedure
has
been,
one
person
can
speak
up
for
three
minutes
or
one
person
with
three
people.
So
four
total
can
request
a
10
minute
spot
to
speak
as
a
group.
A
So
I
think
we
need
to
have
someone
and
when
we
meet,
we
can
discuss
that.
Also,
as
I
stated
I
think,
privately
to
amy.
A
I
believe-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
true
or
not-
but
I
think
we
need
to
show
the
city
how
it's
fail,
how
they're
failing
in
house
to
meet
the
needs
of
what
the
city
is
requiring
trc
inspections,
all
the
specific
things
that
the
city
thinks
it's
saving
money
by
keeping
it
in
house
as
opposed
to
having
a
professional,
that's
qualified
to
do
these
and
to
have
people
the
kind
of
sort
of
know
what
they're
doing,
but
not
really.
And
I
think
we
need
to
point
that
out.
I
see
it
at
trc.
A
I
see
the
council.
I
see
developments
they're
trying
to
save
money,
in
my
opinion,
keeping
it
in-house
where
it's
actually
leaking
and
not
really
doing
the
job
that
they
think
it's
doing,
and
I
think
we
need
to
show
how
it's
not
working
and
it's
not
working
in-house
and
hasn't
been
working
in-house
and
I
think
that's
the
impact
we
have
to
make,
because
it's
not
the
people
that
we're
losing
or
having
to
make
for
an
urban
forester.
A
D
Thanks
sharon,
when
I
was
speak
amy
and
I
were
speaking
with
councilwoman
gwen
whistler.
She
responded
to
that
comment
that
there
wasn't
the
expertise
in
house
by
saying.
Are
you
saying
our
staff
isn't
qualified?
Are
they?
You
know
talking.
A
About
the
the
of
areas
of
staff
that
don't
know
like
the
inspectors,
that
just
don't
know
what
they're
doing
you
know
it's,
not
it's,
not
the
people
and
the
upper
levels.
They
can't
they're
overwhelmed
they're
just
overwhelmed
with
work.
Adding
one
more
thing
doesn't
mean
they
can't
do
it.
They
just
don't
have
the
time
or
the
wherewithal
to
do
it
and
gwen
is
on
her
last
aspect,
and
I
understand
she's
got
a
vote
in
this.
A
But
being
nice
is
not
working,
you
know,
and
I
don't
want
to
infuriate
people
so
that
they
don't
see
the
need,
but
this
I
just
you
know.
I
said
what
I
need
to
say
so.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
So
there's
this
draft
job
description.
That's
I've
been
floating
around
that
lists
a
list
of
responsibilities
that
this
position
would
do
that
nobody
in
the
city
is
doing
right
now.
That
is
really
something.
I
think
that
would
be
valuable
to
focus
on
that
and
the
fact
that
there's
opportunities
to
break
some
silos
down
across
departments
so
that
we
can
start
integrating
a
lot
of
these
practices
with
respect
to
storm
water
and
heat
island,
urban
forestry,
climate
sustainability,
all
that
stuff
it
it's
really
in
the
city's
best
interest.
C
K
First,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
navigating
the
complexity
of
the
conversation
that
we're
dealing
with
right
now.
K
I
think
this
group
is
so
very
capable
and
necessary
in
this
moment
to
address
simultaneously
the
urgency
of
the
climate
crisis
which
the
city
has
stated
internally,
while
also
saying
thank
you
to
the
existing
staff
that
you
work
with
as
this
group
to
also
name
your
responsibility,
to
address
counsel
and
to
advise
counsel
with
that
intentionality
and
that
urgency,
while
asking
us
to
do
our
job-
and
I
think,
as
I
said,
this
group
is
very
capable
of
doing
that
decisively
intentionally,
not
in
the
the
spirit
of
the
word
nice,
which
you
know
can
also
mean
like
pushover,
but
to
be
firm
and
fair
and
clear
that
this
is
overdue,
and
it
is
part
of
our
meeting
our
goals
and
it's
part
of
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan
goals,
weave
it
into
the
council's
stated
goals.
C
C
So
is
anyone
else
ready
to
say
that
they'll
be
able
to
be
there
in
person,
and
so
we
can
I'll
put
you
all
in
touch.
Zoe.
C
Okay,
thanks
all
right,
then
I'll
start
a
thread
as
long
as
we
don't
have
more
than
a
quorum.
We
can
put
all
of
you
all
in
touch
to
discuss
the
strategy
and
and
how
you
want
to
set
up
the
the
talking
points
for
that
meeting,
and
then
we
can
encourage,
of
course,
everyone
else
to
be
there.
It
doesn't
just
have
to
be
the
ufc
like
don
mentioned,
the
tree
protection
task
force
and
others,
whoever
we
can
bring
in
to
show
support
and
be
beneficial
all
right.
C
C
Well
then,
moving
on
the
next
item
of
old
business
is
the
fee
and
live
working
group.
We
don't
have
anything
new
in
that
arena.
C
C
C
You
know
things
that
can
provide
added
benefit
for
green
infrastructure,
for
example.
So
again,
currently,
there's
not
a
framework
for
that,
so
we'll
keep
meeting
and
seeing
how
we
can
assist
the
city
with
creating
that
framework
for
the
decision
making
with
that.
But
did
anybody
have
anything
else
on
the
field
piece,
all
right
and
then?
Lastly,
the
urban
forest
master
plan
group
again
we
haven't
met
again
since
last
time.
We've
really
been
focusing
our
attention
on
the
budget
request
at
this
moment.
C
Once
we
know
how
this
will
play
out,
then
we
can
reframe
how
we
might
work
on
the
master
plan
going
forward.
So
anybody
have
any
other
comments
or
questions
on
that
one.
C
Okay,
next
on
old
business,
is
the
rules
and
procedures
update.
We
do
have
a
couple
points
of
discussion
there,
so
hopefully
everybody
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
document.
Apparently,
some
of
the
places
where
we
were
looking
for
edits
it
didn't
really
get
updated
in
the
working
document.
C
C
C
Thank
you,
okay.
I
always
want
to
start
with
a
couple
points
that
were
brought
up
to
me
and
then
we
can
open
it
up
for
other
discussion.
Hey
if
you
could
please
scroll
down
to
where
there's
like
a
box
with
a
numbered
list.
C
All
right
here
so,
first
of
all
in
number
seven,
it
says
to
defer
consideration.
So
it's
not
everybody
knows
this
draft
was
a
product
that
was
pulled.
You
know
as
something
that
groups
like
us
could
then
manipulate
like
change
for
our
needs,
and
so
we
can
see
in
here
that
in
number
seven
there's
that
in
brackets
100
days.
So
this
is
something
where
we
should
discuss
if
that
amount
of
days-
and
this
item
is
what
works
best
for
our
group.
This
is
referring
to
you.
C
Guys
can
read
it,
but
if
emotion
has
been
deferred,
how
long
till
it
you
know
comes
back,
so
I
was
suggesting
that
for
our
purposes
this
doesn't
need
to
be
so
long.
100
days,
I
was
suggesting
more
like
30
or
60
days.
So,
if
you
guys
want
to
take
a
moment
to
read
it
and
see,
if
there's
any
other
suggestions.
I
C
A
H
C
Or
I
can
take
some
notes
here
and
maybe
I'll
get
together
after
so
so
100
to
60
days
I'll,
try
it
this
way
and
then
we'll
we'll
get
together.
So
at
this
point,
if
you
could
just
scroll
down
then
to
I
think
it's
I'll
go
ahead.
E
Yeah
thanks,
I
was
going
to
suggest,
rather
than
having
a
number
of
days,
just
maybe
put
in
within
two
regular
meetings
of
deferral.
So
what
we're
doing
is
giving
ourselves
two
meetings,
two
regularly
scheduled
meetings
to
discuss
the
motion
before
before
it
expires,
rather.
C
C
C
So
the
board
can
vote
to
revive
consideration.
So
if
we
had
deferred
something
we
can
bring
it
back,
but
do
so
within
another
period
of
time.
So
we
can.
I
think
the
suggestion
here
from
patrick
was:
let's
see
if
I
can
find
it
to
be
30
days
or.
C
Okay,
so
this
one
was,
let's
see
all
the
white
number
sorry,
it
wasn't
number
12
that
you
guys
were
working
on.
I
was
15,
but
we
can
look
at
this
one
here
while
we're
here.
So
do
we
want
to
change
this
to
something
similar
as
far
as
our
meeting
cycle
to
something
like
two
regularly
scheduled
meetings.
E
C
Because
I
finally
found
his
message
here
so
number
15.
It
says
the
six
months
and
instead
of
that,
let
me
look
at
this.
The
wording
here.
C
Okay,
so
this
is
to
prevent
the
reintroduction
of
a
failed
motion.
So
if,
if
we
overall
vote
against
something,
it
could
come
back,
but
we
don't
want
to
come
back
right
away.
So
what's
the
period
of
time
that
it
cannot
come
back
so
to
be
adopted,
the
motion
must
receive
affirmative
votes
and
if
the
motion
is
adopted,
the
ban
on
reintroduction
remains
in
effect
for
a
period
of
time
or
until
the
board's
next
meeting.
Whichever
comes
first
so
the
six
months
doesn't
necessarily
mean
anything
to
our
organization
because
we
tend
to
meet
more
regularly.
C
So
do
we
want
to
change
that
to
just
took
out
the
number
of
days
and
just
say
until
the
board's
next
meeting?
That
was
the
edit
that
patrick
suggested.
G
That's
like
when
we
restart
could
the
when
we
have
a
vote
for
a
new
chair
and
all
is
that
what
the
organizational
meeting
is.
C
I
don't
believe,
maybe
you're
right,
I
don't
know
or
is
that
a
regular
meeting.
C
Okay,
so
this
is
saying
that
the
intention
it
looks
like
of
this
would
be
to
exclude
a
failed
motion
for
a
much
longer
period
of
time.
So
the
question
would
be:
how
long
would
we
want
to
exclude
a
failed
motion.
C
E
L
F
D
D
Then
you
know
the
next
month
in
the
next
month
until
it
passes.
If
something
fails
and
and
folks
aren't
happy
about
it,.
D
G
We
do
tend
to
agree
on
the
substantive
issues.
That's
true,
so
something
that
fails
is
is
is
unlikely
to
change.
I
I
agree
with
ed
that
we
could
learn
more
in
a
month,
but
on
the
other
hand,
would
it
I
mean?
If
would
it
would
it
really
change?
If
wouldn't
it
be
more
likely,
we
would
introduce
amendments
at
the
meeting
or
or
modifications
of
the
language
at
the
meeting
until
we
got
to
an
agreement
because
we're
all
on
the
same
side
here.
C
E
A
C
A
Well,
I
like
that
one
month
for
the
simple
reason:
if
I'm
going
to
use
open
space
as
an
example,
is
that
there
was
a
timeline
to
get
it
to
at
that
point
in
time,
and
I
felt
that
there
needed
to
be
more
discussion
because
it
had
to
get
to
planning
and
zoning,
etc,
etc,
and
we
would
have
missed
an
important
timeline
whether
it
passed
or
failed,
so
that
30
days
kept
us
within
the
criteria
of
submittal.
C
C
C
B
G
Agree
if
yeah,
if
something
failed
and
and
one
of
us
wanted
to
bring
it
back
up,
I
would
guess
that
it
would
involve
either
new
information
or
some
kind
of
substantive
change
which
would
make
it
a
new
thing
anyway,
like
sharon
was
saying
so
and.
G
Right-
and
I
I
don't
know
if
any
of
us
on
this
commission
are
mean
enough,
although
sharon
you,
I
know
you
can
be
mean,
I
mean
you,
keep
bringing
it
up
and
bringing
it
up
and
bringing
it
up.
You
know
cut
down
all
the
maples
cut
down
all
the
maples
right
right.
C
Okay
well
for
right
now,
then
I
have
the
amended
wording
to
be.
The
ban
on
re
introduction
remains,
in
effect,
until
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
period
to
end
that
whole
paragraph,
okay,
all
right
and
then
paren
submitted
a
couple
suggestions
and
typos,
okay,
so
haley,
if
you
could
do
me
a
favor
and
scroll
back
up
to
article
two.
C
This
has
to
do
with
membership.
There
we
go
so
this
was
taken
and
adjusted
based
on.
What's
in
you
know
the
governing
documents
of
how
our
borders
compromise
are
comprised
and
so,
including,
duke
energy
msd.
So
we
took
this
out
because
this
is
what's
currently
in
the
udo.
C
So
karen's
note
here
was
that
you
know.
Is
this
the
point
where
we
want
to
make
some
sort
of
adjustment
here
because
changing
this-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
change
this
in
here,
because
it's
in
the
udo
somewhere,
you
know
differently,
but
if
we
change
the
membership,
it'll
change
the
amount
of
people
on
the
commission,
which
will
change
a
quorum
and
how
many
it
takes
to
be
able
to
have
voting.
E
E
If
we
change
anything,
I'd
recommend
that
duke
and
msd
or
non-voting
ex
officio.
E
No,
I
the
way
I
read
it
I'll
read
it
to
you,
the
executive
director
of
asheville
greenworks,
a
representative,
duke
energy,
a
representative
of
msd
shall
serve
as
ex-officio
voting
there.
E
Right,
so
what
I
would
do
is
is
keep
asheville
greenworks
since
they're
at
you
know,
active
participants,
an
ex-officio
or
maybe
just
a
permanent
member
rather
than
ex-officio,
and
make
and
just
eliminate,
duke
and
msd.
I
mean
I
don't
know
why.
They're
in
there.
C
And
we've
had
this
discussion
of
you
know
we
want
to
include
them.
You
know
if
they
would
come.
It
would
be
ideal
right
to
have
the
discussion,
so
my
biggest
question
is
because
we've
talked
about
this,
so
much
is:
if
we
change
this
here,
are
we
even
able
to
because
it's
in
the
udo
another
way
or
you
know,
do
we
go
ahead
and
change
it
here
as
our
hopes
and
dreams
and
then
try
to
work
on
editing
the
udo
as
well?
This.
F
A
I'm
learning
that
text
amendments
can
be
done.
That
would
be
somebody
like
nancy
or
chris
can,
and
that
would
be
just
a
simple
text:
amendment
not
a
change
in
the
udl
per
se
change
of
the
udo,
but
the
more
I've
been
involved
in
these
city
changes.
A
The
more
I'm
learning
that
a
text
amendment
isn't
that
difficult
and
that
that's
what
this
would
be
just
a
text
amendment.
So
I
don't
think
it's
that
complicated.
We
just
have
to
get
it
into
that
process.
Whatever
that
looks
like
well.
C
Here's
what
I
recommend
in
this
moment
is
that
we
keep
this,
how
it
is
matching
the
udo
so
that
we
can
get
through
this
document
and
then
separately.
Perhaps
through
the
policy
working
group,
we
take
up
the
issue
of
changing
the
text
in
the
udo,
at
which
time
we
as
a
group
can
change
this
to
reflect.
That
does
that
make
sense
sure,
because
we
know
this
is
an
issue
that
we
need
to
revisit,
but
I
I
would
personally
wouldn't
be
comfortable
changing
it
here,
knowing
that
the
udo
is
going
to
override.
E
Right
and
to
parents
point
he
misread
this
on
thinking
that
the
ex-officio
that
are
appointed
in
addition
are
non,
are
voting
and
they're,
not
they're
non-voting.
So,
yes,.
C
G
Right,
yeah
and
that
somehow
frame
it
that
it
duke
energy
and
msd
are
invited
to
to
show
up
if
they
ever
consider
that
they're
interested.
Yes.
E
F
C
That's
a
good
idea:
let's
revisit
membership
as
part
of
the
like
a
separate
line
item,
maybe,
as
even
you
know,
I
guess
it's
really
old
business,
but
perhaps
new
business
at
our
next
meeting
and
have
a
discussion
on
that.
So
for
now.
I
think
we
keep
what's
in
here
to
reflect
the
video
all
right
and
then
parents
other
points
were
just
typos,
so
one
is
article
5a,
it
says
rescued,
which
should
be
recused
and
article
6b
gregarious,
which
should
be
egregious
and
so
I'll
make
note
of
those
for
edits.
C
C
How
it
gets
to
feel
that's
for
sure
all
right?
Well,
if
we
are
ready,
I
guess
I
can
make
a
motion
right,
because
I
have
all
the
notes
here.
C
So
I
move
that
we
approve
the
rules
and
procedures
as
written
with
the
change
to
box
item
number
seven
to
read
two
regularly
scheduled
meetings,
rather
than
100
days
number
12
box
item
to
read
two
regularly
scheduled
meetings
rather
than
100
days
number
15.
The
end
of
the
paragraph
will
end
in
until
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
and
the
two
typos
recused
and
egregious
will
be
updated.
G
C
Sorry
we're
supposed
to
have
comment
there.
If
there's
any
questions
or
comments
in
between
okay,
then.
C
E
C
C
Oh
so
we
have
now
that
document
ready,
we'll
create
a
final
draft
I'll
get
with
haley,
we'll
send
that
out
to
everybody,
and
we
can
work
on
learning
it
and
following
it,
which
will
be
mostly
on
me,
so
I
will
work
on
getting
up
to
speed
on
what's
in
there
and
incorporating
it
as
needed
in
our
meetings.
C
C
It
looks
like
at
this
point.
I
haven't
seen
any
new
information
that
the
city
is
continuing
to
move
forward
with
the
restructuring,
as
proposed
with
taking
all
of
the
boards
and
commissions
down
to
four
groups
and
then
from
there
having
an
undecided
amount
of
working
groups.
That'll
work
on
it
from
there.
C
As
you
know,
we
passed
a
resolution
recommending
the
city
does
not
do
this
as
proposed
and
considers
other
options.
So
right
now
we're
just
keeping
this
on
the
agenda,
so
we
can
continue
to
discuss
how
it's
going
and
if
there's
any
strategy
for
this
restructuring
so
cecil,
we
can
open
discussion.
G
Yeah,
of
course,
when
I
attended
that
open
meeting
about
it,
the
newspaper
only
quoted
me,
as
this
is
a
bunch
of
crap
which
it
is
but
what's
occurred
to
me,
thinking
it
through.
G
If
the
problem
that's
been
presented
by
staff,
is
that
there's
too
much
of
a
staff
demand
to
attend
all
these
meetings?
G
Maybe
we
don't
need
so
many
staff
members
at
the
meeting
I
mean
we've
had,
I
think
five
today
and
you
know
it's
if,
if
certain
staff
members
and
it's
not
that
they're
not
important,
but
if
they
aren't
here
and
we
have
questions
for
them,
the
questions
could
be
answered
at
the
next
meeting.
We
obviously
need
haley
to
be
here
to
keep
us
glued
together,
but
but
if,
if
the
stress
is,
is
too
many
meetings
well,
then
don't
assign
so
many
meet
people
to
the
meetings
I
mean
we
are.
G
A
Sure
yeah
I
mentioned
that
that
was
mentioned
on
the
pre-meetings,
with
the
what
was
called
the
gem
board,
which
is
those
posters
they
used.
Several
people
have
stated
this,
but
it's
so
far
nothing
of
any
teeth
have
been
integrated
into
our
discussions.
A
So
I
brought
this
up
and
you
brought
it
up
and
a
whole
lot
of
other
people
have
brought
it
up.
So
how
that's
going
to
work?
We
just
don't
know
because
they
haven't
come
up
with
anything
substantive
yet
so
if
we
just
keep
saying
that,
then
maybe
it'll
come
away
to
the
hero
somehow
to
work
that
into
the
situation,
they're,
not
listening
in
my
opinion,
but
to
another
discussion
for
another
day.
You
know.
C
C
So
I
I
will
be
at
the
unless
something
comes
up:
they
haven't
disclosed
the
time
of
the
next
meeting,
but
I've
also
been
involved
with
sort
of
a
just
as
a
private
citizen
with
a
side
group.
That's
working
on
this
issue.
A
sort
of
a
collaborative
effort
to
you
know,
try
to
get
the
city
to
listen
and
try
to
find
a
different
path
instead
of
just
pushing
forward
with
this
one
and
only
idea,
so
you
may
see
information
come
out
with
my
name
on
it
and
sharon's
been
in
that
group
as
well.
C
Just
I
just
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
we
are
participating
in
that
just
as
interested
citizens
and
our
work
on
the
ufc.
We
use
to
inform
our
decisions
with
that
group,
but
if
you
see
information
from
that
again,
it's
at
your
leisure
to
join.
It's
not
a
urban
forestry
commission
initiative,
but
as
far
as
keeping
involved
with
it
I'll
be
sure
to
update
this
group
as
anything
pertains
as
we
learn
more
so
anything
else
on
the
restructuring.
C
Okay,
we're
getting
really
tight
on
time.
If
it's
okay,
I
would
like
to.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
to
move
to
did
we
do
this
last
time,
I'd
like
to
move
to
postpone
the
quorum
and
public
discourse
discussion.
I
don't
want
to
shortchange
that
discussion
in
this
meeting
and
wrap
up
to
the
last
couple
items.
Is
there
a
second
one
that
was
the
second
sorry,
this
mute,
okay,
gotcha.
So
real
quick
vote
on
that
item
dawn,
bye,
ed.
I
C
E
I
I
think
we
can
remove
that
from
old
business.
Now,
there's
really
not
much
to
talk
about
with
that
anymore.
Okay,
perfect.
A
Shane
I've
got
a
question
for
nancy.
I've
had
a
couple
of
trees
that
have
been
ash
trees
that
are
not
that
have
been
removed
on
our
current
recommended
species
list
that
developers
are
using.
Do
we
have
this
new
list
posted
somewhere
and
the
old
and
the
old
lists
removed.
I
I
Invasive
species
list
is
on
the
dsds
is
on
dsd's
websites
under
the
codes,
fees
and
or
codes
and
ordinances
and
fees.
Tab.
A
I
know
you
know
I
looked
up
under
the
munich
code
because
under
seven
I
forget
which
ordinance
number
it
is
it's
listed.
I
think
it's
under
7-eleven
three
it's
listed
also
and
that's
where
I
think
that's
where
the
ash
trees
and
all
the
ones
that
we
did
haven't
removed
is
it's
listed
but
I'll
look
and
send
you
an
email.
A
I
Did
that
for
the
tree
ordinance
so
because
it
just
we
just
didn't,
have
it
updated
in
munich,
yeah.
G
I've
gotta
say
that
this
is
absolutely
insane
from
the
time
I
became
the
liaison
to
the
tree
commission
back
in
2010.
G
C
C
Else
with
the
species
list
all
right
last
night,
I'm
on
new
business,
so
hopefully,
let's
just
take
a
moment,
but
some
community
members
reached
out
about
school
tree
planting
and
had
noticed
in
our
annual
report
that
there
was
a
mention
about
the
hog
creek
elementary
school
project
and
how
we
were
able
to
coordinate
with
buncombe
county
schools
on
that
particular
project,
to
help
preserve
and
enhance
tree
canopy
based
on
local
residents.
C
You
know
seeing
the
project
happening
and
worried
about
tree
loss,
and
so
they
reached
out
to
me
about
a
particular
tree
project
at
herring
elementary
in
asheville
city
schools,
and
all
I
said
was
that
we
would
at
this
point,
discuss
if,
in
general
tree
planting
at
schools.
You
know
working
together
with
buncombe
county
schools
and
their
maintenance
programs
would
be
something
that
the
urban
forestry
commission
would
want
to
consider
as
some
sort
of
special
project
or
a
working
group.
C
D
Think
it's
a
good
idea
for
us
to
support
or
show
our
support
for
planting
on
public
properties,
including
school
properties.
D
The
asheville
city,
schools
and
buncombe
county
schools
are
both
their
facilities,
are,
are
maintained
and
administered
by
buncombe
county
schools.
So
just
so
folks
are
clear
on
that.
So
there's,
if
you
want
to
plant
on
asheville
city
school
properties,
you
would
go
through
buncombe
county
as
well
as
talking
to
the
schools,
I
think,
as
a
project
for
us
to
get
involved
in
as
a
advisory
body.
I
don't
think
that's
the
right
place
for
us
to
operate.
D
I
think
you
know
we
have
organizations
like
greenworks
who
play
that
role
in
partnership
with
schools
and
and
other
organizations
to
plant
trees.
We've
done
several
tree
planting
projects
in
partnership
with
schools
on
the
school
property,
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
play
that
continue
to
play
that
role.
You
know
it
might
come
down
to
well.
C
Good
point
that
our
role
is
to
advise
city
council
on
on
work
that
could
be
done
on
basically
city
projects,
so
this
might
fall
outside
of
our
scope,
and
I
you
know,
one
thing
I
would
point
out
is
the
hawk.
Creek
project
was
a
little
different
because
there
was
an
existing
construction
project
that
fell
under
development
services,
and
so
that's
the
reason
why
we
were
involved
in
that
specific
project.
C
You
know
anything
specific
like
that.
It
depends
on
projects
and
how
we
advise
city
council.
D
Yeah
and
I
would
add
other
types
of
public
properties
to
that,
like
libraries
and
I
just
thought
of
another
one,
but
I
can't
think
of
it
now
or
parks.
You
know
so
there's
you
know.
Several
years
ago,
greenworks
worked
with
the
parks
and
recreation
department
to
come
up
with
a
master
planting
plan
for
parks
or
put
into
place
what
it
would
take
to
create
one.
D
G
And,
as
dawn
pointed
out,
the
school
properties
are
directly
under
the
buncombe
county
government.
Not
they
aren't
in
any
respect
controlled
by
the
city
of
asheville.
So
I
think
we
should
focus
our
main
advocacy
on
the
urban
forestry
plan
and
the
urban
forester
in
terms
of
the
city
council.
D
C
You
know
a
specific
development
project
came
up,
that's
where
we
could,
you
know
perhaps
help
with
advising
and
that's
all
we
did
at
the
hog.
Creek
project
was
provided
expertise
and
assistance
in
coordinating
discussions
between
the
different
groups.
So
so
it
sounds
to
me
if
I
have
this
correct
I'll,
go
ahead.
E
Yeah
pulling
the
lens
out
a
little
further,
though
you
know
the
environment
doesn't
stop
at
jurisdictional
boundaries
and
buncombe
county
is.
It
falls
short
of
any
urban
forestry
policy
at
all,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
somehow
provide
leadership
to
get
the
county
to
establish
a
tree
board
and
help
them.
You
know
navigate
policy
processes
and
make
changes
that
that
we're
trying
to
make
here
in
the
city
I
mean
it.
E
I
think
that
you
know
that's
we
can
we
can
address
some
of
these
issues
till
the
cows
come
home,
but
if
bunking
county
doesn't
take
care
of
these
same
issues
going
to
have
the
same
problems
over
and
over
again,
so
I
don't
know
maybe
the
opportunities
for
greenworks.
I
don't
I
don't
know,
but
we
could
be
a
sister
organization
to
a
buncombe
county
tree
board.
D
C
C
B
You're
on
me
to
clarify
the
public
housing
properties.
Are
those
considered
buncombe
county
properties.
D
Now
the
housing
authority
properties
are
their
own
private
entity,
so
yeah
they
manage
their
own
properties
and
we've
worked.
Greenworks
has
worked
with
them
quite
a
bit
in
the
past
several
years
to
do
tree,
plantings.
C
So
we've
actually
talked
about
as
a
group.
This
issue
with
regional
and
county-wide
outreach
before
and
it's
been
difficult
to
create
those
connections.
I
might
suggest
that
that
might
be
something
that
we
work
more
with
our
advocacy
groups
like
through
greenworks
and
tree
protection
task
force
to
initiate
those
discussions.
C
D
Well,
to
add
to
it
ed
said
earlier
about
the
jurisdiction
to
you
know
all
of
the
trees
within
the
city.
Limits
of
asheville
were
counted
in
the
canopy
study
and
regardless
of
whether
they're
on
private
property
or
a
public
property
or
who
owns
what
you
know
if
it's
a
school
that
technically
buncombe
county
manages.
C
That's
a
good
point,
so
where
do
we
want
to
put
this
I'm?
What
I'm
understanding
is
that
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
you
know,
create
a
task
force
or
working
group
in
this
moment
to
work
on
specifically
school
properties,
but
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we
do
want
to
continue
with
looking
for
opportunities
to
coordinate
with
various
groups,
including
the
county,
including
non-profits,
including
you
know,
whoever
we
can
talk
to
as
far
as
making
connections
that
would
increase
urban
canopy.
C
So
I
think
we
have
the
task
force
or
you
know,
working
groups
set
up
to
address
some
of
those
and
as
individuals
we
can,
you
know
be
looking
for
other
ways
to
integrate.
You
know
like,
for
example,
having
presentations
with
this
group
to
to
make
connections.
C
D
Didn't
include
in
the
green
works
update
is
that
we
are
par
partnering
with
the
city
to
hold
a
workshop
for
developers
and
city
inspectors.
D
Next
thursday,
the
16th
in
the
morning
9
30
to
1,
I
believe
and
we're
having
scott
abla
who's
a
certified
arborist
come
and
and
go
to
a
work
site
or
sites
to
show
folks
participating
in
the
workshop.
D
What
to
look
for
in
terms
of
tree
protection
and
what
to
to
notice
that
shouldn't
be
done?
It
should
be
done
to
talk
about
tree
planting
standards
as
well.