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D
Wonderful
I'll
get
started
then,
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
brian
moffitt.
I
would
like
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
september
10
2021
meeting
of
the
downtown
commission.
The
asheville
downtown
commission
was
created
by
city
council
for
the
sustainability
and
continued
development
of
downtown
a
vital
urban
center
of
western
north
carolina's
economic,
cultural
and
visitor
activity.
The
downtown
commission
provides
city
council
with
recommendations
on
downtown
policies
and
initiatives.
D
In
addition,
downtown
commissioners
fill
four
out
of
nine
seats
of
the
city's
design
review
committee,
which
reviews
development
projects
within
the
central
business,
business
district,
the
river
arts,
district
and
hotel
projects
outside
of
those
areas.
The
downtown
commission
also
has
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
projects
outside
of
the
scope
of
design
review.
D
All
committee
members
and
staff
are
participating
virtually.
We
appreciate
your
patience
as
we
work
through
committee
meetings
a
bit
differently,
although
I
don't
know
how
different
it
is.
After
over
a
year,
we
are
streaming
live
on
our
virtual
engagement
hub,
which
is
accessible
through
the
virtual
engagement
hub
link
on
the
front
page
of
the
city
website,
and
also
linked
on
the
downtown
commission's
committee
page.
D
We
have
an
option
for
the
public
to
listen,
live
by
phone
and
for
anyone
out
there
with
us
today
welcome
at
this
time
I
will
go
through
and
introduce
all
the
committee
members
who
are
participating.
Virtually
you
all
know
the
drill.
Please
keep
your
microphone
muted.
If
you
are
not
speaking
and
when
you
have
a
question
or
would
like
to
speak,
please
unmute,
please
remember
to
mute
your
phone
after
you're
done
speaking
committee
members,
as
I
call
your
name.
Please
indicate
your
presence.
Commissioner
barringer
is
not
here.
Commissioner.
D
Forensic
chairman
is
not
here,
commissioner
fletcher
good
morning
good
morning,
commissioner
hunter.
G
D
Thank
you.
I'm
here,
commissioner,
reigns.
D
And
commissioner
ruth
summers
is
not
here
and
sage
turner,
our
city,
council,
representative,.
D
Wonderful,
thank
you
at
this
time.
I
will
start
our
our
committee
agenda
items.
Our
agenda
is
also
linked
on
our
committee
webpage.
If
anyone
wants
to
follow
along,
I
will
do
my
best
to
state
each
section
of
the
agenda
out
loud
and
do
a
vocal
roll
call
when
when
and
if
we
have
a
vote,
if
anyone
needs
to
speak,
please
raise
your
hand
or-
and
I
will
do
my
best
to
keep
up
with
it
and
call
on
you
at
this
time.
So
we're
going
to
go
over.
D
We've
got
some
new
business
and
presentations
from
the
a
presentation
from
the
office
of
data
and
performance.
We've
got
three
project
review
development
impact
discussion
for
one
for
39
patent
avenue,
one
for
61
biltmore,
one
for
217,
hilliard
avenue,
we're
going
to
discuss
our
committees
and
we're
going
to
do
committee
updates
and
reports.
D
We
did
receive
a
public
comment
which
I
can
find
here
regarding
downtown
patent
road
repairs.
D
A
D
That's
our
only
public
comment
received
today,
correct,
good,
all
right,
then
we'll
roll
into
well.
We've
got
to
do
approval
of
minutes.
You
should
have
received
again,
so
we're
not
doing
a
full
minutes.
We
have
draft
action
minutes.
The
video
recording
serves
as
the
full
minutes
of
the
meeting.
So
if
anyone
has
any
questions
or
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
draft
action
minutes
from
our
august
13th
meeting.
D
A
D
That,
then,
all
right
we've
got
a
kim
made
the
motion
and
geo
seconded.
So
I'll.
Do
the
roll
call
andrew.
D
Hi,
thank
you
kim.
E
D
Steven
lee
hi-
I
am
I
robin.
H
D
B
J
D
Okay,
megan
you've
got
your
hand
up.
K
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
actually
recently
heard
from
a
member
that
same
comment.
So
it's
just
interesting
timing
that
you
know
people
are
are
looking
at
that
road
and
it
is
a
gateway
into
downtown
that
I
think
we
could
do
a
lot
to
improve.
So
maybe
something
to
put
on
a
future
agenda.
D
L
L
C
L
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
So
again,
thank
you
for
your
patience.
My
name
is
natalie
bailey.
I
am
the
data
communications
specialist
for
the
office
of
data
and
performance.
This
is
my
second
foray
at
the
city
of
asheville
years
and
years
ago
I
worked
in
the
city
manager's
office,
glad
to
be
back,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
eric
and
cameron
to
introduce
themselves.
M
So
good
morning,
good
morning
I
need
to
to
to
espressos,
apparently
we're
not
enough,
so
I'm
eric
jackson,
I
manage
the
office
of
data
and
performance,
my
pronouns
are
he
him
and
his,
and
I
have
been
with
the
city
just
over
five
years
now
so.
G
Cameron
hi,
my
name
is
cameron
henshaw,
I'm
the
performance,
analyst,
my
parents,
he
him
and
his,
and
I
I'm
pretty
new
to
the
city.
I
just
hit
the
the
six
months
mark
and
very
excited
to
be
here.
L
Okay
and
again,
I'm
natalie
pronouns
she
her
and
hers,
and
so
today
we
are
just
going
to
give
you
all
a
brief
overview
of
the
office.
What
we
are
currently
doing
and
the
tools
you
all
could
use
as
advisory
board
members
in
your
own
work
and
I'm
turning
it
over
to
eric
to
talk
about
our
mission.
M
Cool,
thank
you.
So
this
is
our
mission
statement
and
I
kind
of
want
to
highlight
three
pieces
out
of
it,
and
the
first
piece
is
that
that
word
empower
our
role
is
much
is
not
so
much
to
go
and
do
a
lot
of
data
things.
It's
really
to
enable
others
to
do
the
work
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
in
the
next
few
slides
about
some
of
the
ways
we
do
that.
E
M
Accountability
is
really
making
sure
not
only
that
we're
being
accountable
to
the
public,
but
we're
being
accountable
to
our
own
goals
and
and
to
each
other,
making
sure
that
we
can.
We
can
really
demonstrate
what
it
is
we're
trying
to
accomplish
and
whether
or
not
we're
making
progress,
and
I
would
also
emphasize
that
that
third,
one
of
communication,
part
of
the
way
we
look
at
data
and
our
performance
framework-
is
that
it
helps
if
we
can
kind
of
all
get
on
the
same
page
about
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
M
L
Just
a
few
seconds
ago
we
engage
with
the
public
and
we
are
focused
on
reporting
so
developing
standard
ways
to
report
to
the
public
that
are,
data
grounded
and
data-driven
and
creating
ways
to
particip
for
the
community
to
participate
in
defining
what
what
success
means
to
them
regarding
programs
and
services,
and
so
it's
all
about
being
on
the
same
page
and
making
sure
that
people
not
only
are
on
the
same
page
but
we're
all
speaking
the
same
language
and
that's
what
developing
standardized
ways
to
report
and
measure
does
it
also
ensures
that
folks
are
receiving
the
same
information
which
speaks
to
equity
and
which
is
always
a
concern
because
some
people
have
access
socially.
L
You
know
in
other
ways
to
information
many
times
ahead
of
time,
sometimes
better
information
or
just
by
the
way
things
are
set
up
here
and
in
the
world
that
we
live
in
and
so
making
sure
that
things
are
standardized
and
data
driven,
grounded
in
data
helps
to
even
that
playing
field
out
a
bit
and
then
creating
ways
for
the
community
to
participate.
And
so
this
is
a
really
big
one.
L
For
me
in
my
previous
position,
I
did
some
media
management
and
some
community
engagement
work
and
it's
really
important
to
make
sure
that
not
only
is
your
met,
your
message
accessible
and
understandable
and
and
data
driven
and
all
those
things,
but
to
also
make
sure
that
it's
the
messaging
is
tailored
to
the
community
that
that
you
know
it's
targeted
in
a
manner
in
which
the
community
can
access
it
and
is
willing
and
likely
to
access
it,
and
so
having
that
at
the
heart
of
our
work
is
very
important
to
me
and
it
it
means
a
lot.
L
The
data
formed
in
the
data
informed
decision
making
integrating
our
data
on
decision
making
into
all
of
our
key
city
process
and
eric
will
touch
on
this
in
greater
detail
about
the
budget.
But
again,
looking
at
how
departments
make
decisions
making
sure
that
those
decisions
are
informed
by
data
and
that
they
are
driven
by
data
and
evaluating
how
these
decisions
are
made
and
how
the
resources
are
actually
allocated
and
and
thinking
about
that
in
a
more
in-depth
and
thoughtful
way
and
the
impact
that
it
has.
And
so
with
that.
M
So
I
actually
want
to
underscore
before
I
go
on
to
the
the
budget
and
process
piece
that
okay
I'll,
I
see
a
question.
We
will
here
that
we
get
get
back
to
that.
I
wanna
I
wanna
emphasize
the
the
second
bullet
there
in
public
engagement,
the
people
who
are
receiving
services
who
are
participating
in
programs
are
the
experts
about
whether
they're
better
off
as
a
result
of
those
programs,
and
so.
M
We
we
have
ways
to
bring
those
most
impacted
into
the
process
of
defining
what
success
means
is
really
critical.
The
other
thing
that
I
would
I
would
say
is
that
five
years
in
government
has
taught
me
that
if
there
is
not
a
process
behind
something,
then
it
will
not,
it
will
not
in
fact
be
sustainable.
The
premier
process
in
the
city
is
the
budget,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
particularly
well
tied
into
that
and
you'll
be
hearing
this
year
about.
E
M
But
looking
for
ways
wherever
there
is
a
process
to
integrate
thinking
about
what
the
outcomes
are
thinking
about,
how
we're
going
to
measure
progress
and
communicating
that
in
in
ways
that
are
accessible
and
kind
of
well
understood,
so
that
we're
constantly
doing
things
the
same
way
so
that
people
know
where
to
look
and
what
to
expect
in
order
to
do
that,
we're
we're
really
asking
that
people
change
how
they
do
what
they
do
and
that's
in
order
to
do
that
those
changes
are
big,
and
so
a
lot
of
our
work
is
going
to
be
around
helping.
M
People
learn
how
to
do
those
things
differently.
We
have
we've
developed
over
the
past
year,
we've
run
a
number
of
classes.
We
have
a
couple
more
going.
M
Resources
like
a
twice
monthly
newsletter
from
the
program,
a
discussion
channel
and
an
internal
communication
group,
and
before
I
go
to
governance,
let
me
just
look
and
see
what
the
question
was
for
miss
hunter.
So
that
is
a
really
good
question.
D
M
M
A
lot
of
our
work
is
kind
of
looking
where
at
cases
where
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
disaggregate
data,
or
we
have
good
reason
to
expect
for
historical
reasons
that
we're
not
getting
the
full
story
and
then
specifically
making
efforts
to
do
that
to
collect
that
data.
I
think
the
other
piece
that
I
would
emphasize
is
we.
M
Broadly
about
data
that
can
be
numbers,
it
can
be
official
statistics,
but
it
can
also
be
narrative
kinds
of
data
and
that's
really
important
that
we're
we're
not
kind
of
limiting
this
to
officially
collected
statistics
that
do
have
a
lot
of
issues
in
terms
of
missing
people.
Failing
to
disaggregate
information.
M
E
Thank
you
all
yeah.
I
appreciate
your
delving
into
that.
M
So
I
really
appreciate.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
question
and
again
I
don't
have
an
easy
answer,
but
it
is
a
nice
segue,
partly
into
the
governance
piece.
So
it's
important
that
we,
the
governance
piece,
is
not
very
exciting,
but
it
is
foundational,
and
some
of
it
is
fairly
technical.
You
need
data
systems
that
make
sure
that
you've
got
things
updated
appropriately.
That
data
is
accurate
and
I
want
to
come
back
to
complete
and
and
of
course,
that
you're
you're
protecting
against
both
malicious
actors
and
inadvertent
harm.
M
We
think
about
that
a
lot,
but
the
other
piece
is
thinking
and
being
very
deliberate
about
asking
questions
about
completeness,
and
I
think
you
will
start
to
see
that
we're
working
with
homeless
initiative,
folks
right
now
around
doing
a
better
job
of
kind
of
just
reporting
out
data
that
we
do
have
and
then
starting
to
build
from
there
and
one
of
the
big
questions
there
is:
how
much
of
that
data
do
we
actually
have
how
complete
is
it?
M
How
sure
are
we
that
it
is
representative
and
in
there's
never
going
to
be
an
easy
automatic
answer
to
that,
but
doing
exactly
what
you
said
of
integrating
that
into
the
analysis
and
and
really
asking
the
questions
about
whether
the
data
we
have
is
representative
whether
there
are
skus
or
biases
built
into
the
data
because
of
the
way
it
was
collected
or
because
who
was
collecting
it?
There
are
lots
of
questions
around
that
and
again,
there's
no
simple
way,
but
I
I
definitely
want
to
emphasize
that
that's
very
top
of
mind
for
us.
G
M
M
So
I'm
not
going
to
dwell
on
this.
These
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
working
on
and
I
could
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
any
one
of
them.
If
any
of
you
are
interested
in
being
terribly
bored,
I'm
always
happy
to
do
that,
but
this
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
the
the
breadth
of
the
kind
of
work
we're
doing
so.
M
Some
of
this
is
about
collecting
and
sharing
data,
like
I
said
we're
working
on
houselessness,
starting
by
just
doing
a
better
job
of
reporting
out
the
data
we
do
have
and
then
starting
to,
particularly
with
the
amount
of
investments
that
we're
making
making
sure
that
we're
really
tracking
the
impact
of
those
investments,
we're
doing
some
collection
of
baseline
data
to
be
a
resource
for
the
reparations
commission,
we're
doing
a
lot
of
internal
work,
supporting
data
collection
around
equity.
M
We
also
do
other
kinds
of
data
support
so
for
the
business
inclusion
program,
just
making
sure
that
it's
as
easy
as
possible
as
frictionless
as
possible,
to
look
up
vendors
for
outreach
or
you
know
we're
participating
in
planning
for
the
american
rescue
plan,
act,
funding
to
make
sure
that
we're
putting
in
place
reporting
procedures
so
that
we
really
can
track
impact
and,
as
I
said,
we're
working
to
integrate
with
the
budget
process
already
talked
about
capacity
building.
M
I
do
want
to
call
out
that
we're
starting
to
get
inventories
built
so
that
we
know
what
data
we
have
internally,
but
also
what
resources
are
available
externally
and
wherever
possible.
Sharing
that
also
with
the
public,
and
then
I
spoke
a
little
bit
about
governance,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
hand
off
to
natalie
to
talk
a
bit
more
about
engagement.
M
L
So
the
engagement-
and
I
really
want
to
I
appreciate
commissioner
hunter's
question
as
I
do
any
type
of
engagement
activity
I
always
start
with
who
we
are
not
hearing
from,
and
I
go
from
there.
That's
just
how
I
personally
conduct
my
engagement
work
because
oftentimes,
especially
in
government,
especially
in
local
government
issues
and
policies
that
are
enacted
and
voted
upon,
have
the
most
impact
on
folks
that
you
hear
from
the
least,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
appreciate
that
that
question
our
process
began.
L
I'm
from
here
I'm
a
native
and
the
nature
of
my
work
has
has
allowed
me
to
establish
a
lot
of
relationships
with
community
members
and
and
service
providers,
and
you
just
folks
that
I
know
from
growing
up
here,
and
so
we
started
the
process
by
reaching
out
to
those
folks
and
having
brief
conversations
just
to
gauge
their
what
they
think
about
access
to
city
services,
what
they
would
like
to
see
us
track
and
measure
and
then,
most
importantly,
for
me
how
they
would
like
to
see
any
type
of
reporting.
L
You
know
out
to
the
community
outside
of
an
annual
report,
which
we
all
know
those
things
are
important,
but
other
methods
and
ways
in
which
to
get
information
out
to
folks.
And
so
we've
done
that
over
the
past
few
months
and
it's
yielded
quite
a
bit
of
narrative
data
data
in
the
narrative
form.
It's
been
really
interesting
and
those
opportunities
have
led
to
other
opportunities
to
speak
with
groups
that
are
just
as
impacted,
although
we
don't
hear
from
them
and
as
often
as
we
should,
and
one
of
those
groups
are
young
people.
L
So
we
were
able
to
have
a
listening
session
with
35
of
the
youth
interns,
with
the
city
of
asheville
over
the
summer,
with
the
kayla
program
and
hearing
from
them
about
their
perceived
or
very
real
access
to
city
services,
barriers
to
access
to
city
services
and
the
experiences
that
their
parents
and
neighbors
have,
and
that
that
information
really
is
informing
a
lot
of
our
work.
L
And
we
will
continue
to
have
those
type
of
conversations
and
and
meeting
with
the
boards
and
commissions,
because
you
all
are
are
involved
with
with
city
government
in
a
way
that
the
average
person
is
not
and
taking
that
information
and
informing
it
into
our
projects
and
and
thinking
about
how
we
look
at
impact
of
projects
and
and
outcomes
as
well.
So
you
know,
if
I
haven't
reached
out
to
you
personally,
just
wait.
I
will
it's
something
that
you
know
we
have
talked
about.
L
We
we
keep
a
running
list
of
folks
and
we
keep
a
running
list
of
that
that
information,
because
it
is
very
valuable
and
we
will
continue
with
our
engagement
efforts,
so
I'm
gonna
hand
it
back
to
eric.
L
A
And
and
communities
that
may
not
perceive
that
they
have
their
their
concerns,
listened
to
and
the
two
communities
that
I
want
to
mention
are
the
lgbtq
community.
Okay,
as
well
as
the
latino
hispanic
community.
I'm
just
wondering
have
what
attempts
have
been
made
to
to
reach
those
communities,
both
of
which
I'm
part
of
but-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
and.
A
When
you're
talking
about
homelessness
and
and
houselessness
and
resources
are,
are
our
trans
and
youth
communities
that
are
greatly
impacted
by
the
lack
of
of
stable
home
relationships.
L
Right
right,
thank
you
so
much
for
for
bringing
that
up.
I've
reached
out
to
folks
at
the
campaign
for
southern
equality-
and
I
haven't
heard
back
and
to
be
honest
with
you-
I
did
not
have
a
good
contact
for
folks
in
in
the
latinx
community,
so
I
would
love
to
be
able,
if
you're
comfortable
with
it
and
you're
willing
to
to
touch
base
with
you
on
anybody
that
is
representative
of
those
issues
or
advocates
with
those
issues
within
the
community,
because
you
are
absolutely
right.
L
I
you
know
those
voices
are
missing
and
particularly
when
it
comes
to
housing,
vulnerability
for
for
trans
youth.
That
is
something
that
I
definitely
would
like
to
see
us
look
at
and
address,
and
so,
if
you
have
any
ideas
or
any
contacts,
I
I
would
appreciate
it
because
I
would
like,
like
those
voices
to
be
heard.
A
I
I
definitely
do,
and
maybe
we
can
I'll
try
to
shoot
you
an
email.
If
you
you
can
shoot
me
an
email.
A
There's
also
a
a
group
in
town
that
deals
youth
outright,
which
he
deals
with
with
youth
and
then
our
statewide
organization,
equality,
north
carolina.
D
A
E
Yeah,
thank
you
all
for
this
presentation.
My
question
is:
when
it
comes
to
rba,
results-based
accountability,
have
you
and
are
you
or
have
you
considered,
including
results-based
accountability?
That's
not
driven
by
a
dominant
outcome
like,
for
example,
people
with
different
points
of
view.
Different
needs
of
outcome
coming
closer
together
to
actually
get
to
the
the
to
the
desired
result.
Is
that
a
form
of
how
you're
looking
at
accountability?
E
Maybe
it
isn't
the
thing
that
got
accomplished,
but
sixty
percent
there
were
sixty
percent,
more
collaboration
from
people
with
all
different
diverging
interests
to
get
to
get
further
down
the
road,
and
so
my
my
thought
process
is:
is
there
grace
in
there
somewhere?
Is
there
margin
in
there
in
there
somewhere,
not
for
the
whole
thing,
but
for
some
of
it,
where
maybe
the
goal
actually
isn't
accomplished,
but
you
can
see
collaboration
participation,
other
soft
quality
touches
that
actually
conclude
to
the
outcome
and
not
just
from
a
dominant
culture
methodology.
M
So
you're,
I
think
you're
ahead
of
everybody
else
on
the
call
now
knowing
knowing
what
we're
talking
about.
But
I
love
that
question
and
let
me
talk
briefly
kind
of
about
the
the
framework
and
and
how
we're
using
it,
and
then
I
want
to
come
back
and
address
that
specifically
because
it's
I
I
it's
actually
something
I
haven't
framed
in
that
way,
and
I
love
that
framing.
M
But
it
is
some
the
kind
of
thing
that
I've
thought
about
so
part
of
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
I
want
to
get
across
when
we
start
talking
about
data,
we
can.
We
can
think
of
this
as
kind
of
a
fancy
technical.
M
You
know
we're
going
to
do
machine
learning
and
ai
and-
and
really
you
know,
maybe
down
the
road
we're
going
to
do.
Some
of
that.
Although
this
office
is
much
more
likely
to
warn
about
some
of
the
dangers
of
some
of
those
technologies
than
to
get
enthusiastic
about
implementing
them
everywhere,
but
what
what
we're
really
doing
is
starting
way
back
and
and
trying
to
think
about
how
we
have
a
disciplined
way
of
of
thinking
about
what
we're
doing
and
whether
or
not
it's
working
we
are
using.
M
This
framework
called
result
results
based
accountability
or
rba,
and
I
was
going
to
ask-
and
I
know
one
hand
that
will
go
up-
is
how
many
of
you
all
have
are
actually
familiar
in
any
way
with
rba,
because
a
few
of
you,
okay,
so-
and
there
are
three
reasons
that
we're
using
it.
One
of
them
and
the
reason
I
I
even
knew
about
it-
was
that
it
lies
at
the
at
the
foundation
of
the
racial
equity
toolkit
that
the
city
has
adopted
from
gear
or
the
garrett
government
alliance
and
racial
equity.
M
The
gear
toolkit
is
built
on
top
of
rba,
and
when
I
went
to
look
at
the
toolkit,
that's
that's
kind
of
when
I
discovered
it
we're
also
adopting
it.
We've
also
adopted
it
because
it's
seeing
pretty
widespread
adoption,
both
in
our
community
led
by
public
health
and
healthcare
industries,
but
it's
also
being
used
now
in
education,
led
by
the
united
way
and
and
among
some
of
the
nonprofits.
M
It's
also
been
kind
of
designated
a
an
approved
framework
by
the
state
and
and
really
has
seen
growing
use
nationally.
But
the
third
and
and
for
me
most
important
reason
is
that
it's,
it's
really
simple.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
kind
of
terminology
and
framework
that
people
have
to
learn.
It's
really
grounded
in
asking
some
simple
questions
getting
clear
on
on
who
we're
talking
about.
M
So
if
it's
a
program
who
are
the
customers,
if
it's,
if
it's
broader
than
that,
what
communities
are
we're
talking
about
and
really
just
saying
what
does
it
mean
for
them
to
be
better
off?
And
what
specifically
are
we
looking
for
in
terms
of
results
and
a
big
part
of
our
va
is
saying
start
with
the
end
that
you're
trying
to
achieve
and
work
back.
So
what
are
the
results?
You're
going
to
look
for?
M
How
do
you
know
you're
succeeding,
and
it's
really
important
to
decide
that
in
advance,
so
that
you're
not
tempted
to
move
the
goal
posts
in
order
to
make
things
look
a
little
better
than
maybe
they
are
deciding
how
we're
going
to
measure
those
performance
measures
can
be.
We
think
about
that.
M
Broadly,
can
be
hard
numbers
if
we
have
good
numbers,
but
in
many
cases
it's
going
to
be
important
to
include
narrative
data
as
well
as
a
way
of
making
sure
that
we're
capturing
the
full
picture
and
then,
when
we're
starting,
we
always
want
to
ask
kind
of
what
the
baseline
is
and
in
rba
baseline
is
not
just.
What's
this
issue
a
situation
right
now,
it's
what's
going
to
happen.
If
we
don't
change
anything
so
whatever
our
metrics
might
be,
you
know,
are
they
going
to
stay
flat?
M
If
we
do
nothing,
are
they
going
to
be
going
up?
Are
they
going
down
and
then
the
term
in
in
rba?
Is
we
want
to
turn
the
curve?
So
if
we
are
not
satisfied
with
what's
going
to
happen,
if
we
do
nothing
different,
then
what
we
want
to
do
is
turn
that
curve
and
of
course
we
have
to
at
least
have
a
reasonable
idea
of
what
what
that
curve
is.
M
M
M
We
want
to
be
able
to
kind
of
cycle
and
learn
as
we
go
and
part
of
what
that
means.
For
me,
is
we
don't
just
talk
about
the
end
results?
We
talk
about
the
the
theory
of
our
theory
of
change.
How
do
we
think
we're
going
to
get
there?
What
are
the
elements
that
are
going
to
indicate
that
our
theory
is
right
or
wrong
and
we
want
to
measure
those?
M
M
What
should
we
be
seeing
soon
if
it
is
working,
and
I
think
so
that
doesn't
automatically
get
us
to
that
question
of
just
having
the
dominant
culture
definition
of
end
results
drive
the
entire
process,
but
I
think
it
does
bring
us
give
us
an
opportunity,
and
I
want
to
think
more
about
what
you
said,
commissioner,
hunter
as
to
how
to
do
that.
But
it
gives
us
an
opportunity.
In
fact,
I
will
say
just
from
one
deep
dive
engagement.
We
did
with
with
an
internal
team.
M
Who
is
the
customer
and
what
is
better
off
and
to
really
think
broadly
about
that,
and
it's
not
just
achieving
some
end
goal
down
the
road,
but
also
our
people
being
impacted
by
the
process,
and
I
think
there's
there's
enough
in
the
way
we're
thinking
about
it
to
bring
in
some
of
those
other
considerations,
and
I
definitely
want
to
think
more
about
the
question,
because
part
of
my
conviction
is
ninety
percent
of
doing
things.
M
Better
is
asking
the
right
questions
at
the
right
time
and
then
there's
a
little
bit
of
technical
work
around
it.
The
technical
side
is
always
the
easy
part,
and
the
hard
part
is
making
sure
you're
asking
the
right
questions
and
talking
to
all
of
the
right
people
along
the
way.
This
is
kind
of
this
is
a
very
quick
dip
into
kind
of
what
we're
doing
and
how
we're
thinking
about
it.
I
think
it
is
relevant
to
you
in
in
several
ways.
M
I
think
these
questions
and
we
are
happy
to
go
kind
of
deeper
dive
on
any
of
them,
but
you
can
apply
them
to
your
work.
You
can
apply
them
even
just
to
a
single
commission
meeting.
What
are
we
trying
to
achieve
and
how
are
we
gonna
tell
if
we
got
there
just
asking
those
questions
is
really
powerful.
You
can
also
ask
staff
these
questions.
M
Part
of
what
will
drive,
change
is
and
part
of
what
we're
doing
is
trying
to
help
the
community
come
to
expect
different
things,
even
as
we're
helping
staff
think
about
doing
things
differently
and
and
using
some
of
the
terminology
and
thinking
in
your
own
communities,
because
part
of
what
we
want
to
do
is
build
shared
language
and.
M
For
thinking
about
these
things,
this
presentation
will
be
made
available
to
you
and
there's
some
links
there
for
ways
of
keeping
up
with
us,
but
also
we
invite
you
at
any
point
to
just
reach
out
with
questions
ideas,
anything
else,
and
we
have
a
next
slide
with
some
questions
that
we
might
discuss
here.
But
I
think
at
this
point
I
want
to
turn
it
back
over
to
you
all
and
see
what
other
questions
and
discussion
there
are.
J
Ahead,
andrew,
hey
thanks
you
all
for
that
presentation
and
the
work
you
do
you
know
when
it
comes
to
accountability.
J
Data
is
a
huge
part
of
that
and
just
you
know
knowing
where
we're
at
and
where
we're
going
forward
so
really
glad
to
see
that
y'all
are
on
board
and
to
hear
your
your
attitudes
about
that.
I
know
that
like
data
is
important,
but
I've
also
seen
it
be
misused.
J
So
I've
noticed
particularly
around
budget
season.
The
police
department
likes
to
release
data
and
it
seems
to
be
keyhole
data
view
and
by
the
time
citizens
can
ask
and
get
some
broader
picture
data
back
budget
season's
over
and
there's
on
the
in
the
politics
of
the
moment
have
passed.
I
I'm
wondering,
if
you
guys,
can
you
know
what
do
you
work
with
all
the
departments
in
the
city?
Do
you
work
with
the
police
department
with
their
releasing
their
data,
and
you
know
how
what?
J
What
do
you
think
is
the
if
you
know
for
a
regular
citizen
to
say
I'm
I
want
to.
I
want
to
get
this
a
data
set
that
shows
a
more
complete
picture
than
is
being
voluntarily
released.
You
know,
how
is,
are
you
guys
the
a
good
stop
for
that.
M
I
think
we're
not
really
the
so
we
are
not
the
gatekeepers
for
data
that
you
know
the.
If
you
have
a
request
for
data,
that's
going
to
come
in
through
the
public
records
officer
and
then
go
to
the
department.
I
think
our
role
is
to
collectively
start
to
set
standards
for
how
we
do
this
thing,
how
we
communicate
broadly
with
the
public-
and
I
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned
before
might
you
know,
speaks
a
little
bit
to
what
you're
saying
making
sure
that
first
we're
naming
in
advance.
M
How
we're
you
know
what
are
the
measures
and
that
we're
involving
the
community
in
defining
those
measures
which
is
less
about?
M
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
emphasize
is
from
the
perspective
of
our
work,
we're
going
to
be
less
concerned
about
single
data
releases
and
more
concerned
about
ongoing
communication
and
reporting
and
and
and
measuring
of
performance,
so
being
clear
and
making
sure
that
that
we've
broadly
involved
the
community
and
defining
what
success
means
and
then
making
sure
that
we
have
the
data
to
back
up
the
full
picture
and
you'll.
You
know
again,
we
are.
M
There
are
three
of
us,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
we're
not
going
to
become
the
the
key
hole
through
through
which
everything
happens,
but
also
our
job
is
really
to
kind
of
help.
The
city
as
a
whole
set
those
standards
kind
of
come
up
with
those
conventions
and
then
help
all
of
the
departments
to
follow
them.
I
I
hope
that
sort
of
addresses
your
question.
M
So
we
are
enthusiastic
about
collaborating
with
anybody,
partly
because
there
are
three
of
us
with
so,
for
example,
one
of
the
projects
we
have
going
is,
you
know
just
collecting
some
baseline
data
to
share
with
the
the
reparations
commission
when
it
forms.
We
began
that
work
at
the
city,
manager's
request
before
the
the.
M
I
think
it
was
the
second
information
sharing
and
truth-telling
session
that
dr
mullen
spoke
at
the
originator
of
the
state
of
black
asheville,
and
so
we
started
working
with
dr
mullen
to
provide
him
with
some
data
for
that
presentation
and
are
continuing
to
collaborate
with
him
on
what
the
data
sets
are
and
and
how
they
might
be
used,
but
we've
expanded
that
collaboration,
we're
working
with
some
folks
at
unca
and
as
well
as
the
unc
chapel
hill,
mph
program
here
around
health
data,
and
we
are
in
conversation
with
united
way
about
education
data.
M
I
think
part
of
our
philosophy
is
there
is
way
more
work
here
than
any
one
group,
but
any
also
than
any
one
agency
can
do,
and
most
of
the
data
we're
talking
about
is
stuff
that
the
city
is
not
directly
responsible
for,
but
only
a
contributor
to
so
building
a
relationship
with
the
performance
management
folks
at
the
county,
building
relationship
with
land
to
sky,
as
well
as
relationships
with
folks,
like
mayheck,
around
health
data
united
way
around
education.
G
M
Somebody
we
should
be
talking
to
and
the
sharing
data
with,
but
I
hope
one
of
the
one
of
the
areas
we
want
to
go
is
to
be
able
to
have
kind
of
quality
of
life
indicators
for
the
whole
community,
and
the
vast
majority
of
those
indicators
involve
data
that
the
city
does
not
own
does
not
generate,
and
so
to
do
that.
We're
really
going
to
have
to
collaborate
with
those
other
agencies
and
hopefully
make
that
a
a
joint
effort,
rather
than
just
a
city-owned
effort.
D
I
don't
see
any
well,
we
we,
we
very
much
appreciate
the
work
that
you're
doing,
and
we
appreciate
your
time
with
us
this
morning.
You
are
free
to
hang
around
and
and
and
watch
the
rest
of
it
or
not.
However,
however,
you
want
to
do,
you
can
collect
some
data
right
now.
M
I
I
would
love
to,
but
given
that
I
have
45
minutes
and
then
six
hours
straight
of
meetings,
I
might
I
might
take
advantage
of
the
break.
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
really
really
appreciate
you're,
giving
us
the
time
and
would
love
to
hear
from
from
any
of
you
very
good.
Thank
you
all
right
thanks
bye-bye.
D
Okay,
our
next
item
of
business
is
a
project
review
development
impact
discussion.
We've
got
three
projects
to
take
a
look
at
the
first.
One
is
39
patent
avenue,
facade
changes,
it's
a
level
one
project
and
I'm
not
sure
who's
presenting.
F
I
Hi
everyone.
Yes,
I
am
presenting
the
first
couple
of
projects
and
then
shannon
will
present
on
the
last
one.
I
will
share
my
screen.
I
I
This
building
was
changed
a
fair
bit
over
the
years
and
if
you
go
there
today,
you'll
see
there's
like
a
wooden
bar
across
here.
There
was
a
mezzanine
put
in
here
which
they
are
taking
out.
I
They
are
basically
doing
kind
of
a
restoration
on
this
building
and
up
to
the
kind
of
national
to
the
secretary
of
national
park
service
and
state
historic
preservation
guidelines
so
that
the
down
the
ground
floor,
similar
to
the
building
we
looked
at
last
month,
has
been
changed
significantly
over
the
years
and
actually
the
architect.
I
Shared
with
me,
this
photo
of
this.
If
you
can
see
right
here,
you
know
a
number
of
our
buildings
were
covered
with
aluminum
in
the
50s
as
a
way
to
kind
of
revitalize
downtown.
So
you
can
see
the
building
here
was
was
covered
up
for
a
while
as
well
so
they're,
maintaining
and
kind
of
improv
rehab
rehabilitating
the
upper
floors,
this
mixed-use
project
this
will
be,
I
think,
either
office
or
retail
space
and
then
two
condominiums
above
and
on
the
college
street
side.
They
are
similarly
kind
of
keeping
the
original.
I
You
know
materials
and
kind
of
honoring,
the
industrial
nature
of
that
facade.
There
are
some
small
changes
to
the
college
street
lower
facade,
which
was
also
changed
a
lot
over
the
years.
I
So,
let's
see
so
those
are
the
floor
plans.
I
don't
know
if
there's
also
in
your
packets
there
were,
we
have,
you,
know
kind
of
the
details
of
what
materials
are
being
used.
This
is
how
it
looks
today.
I
So
this
is
how
it's
it's
being
restored
to
something
a
lot
closer
to
what
it
was
historically
on
the
ground
floors,
and
I
don't
have
a
lot
else
to
say
about
this
project.
I
think
it's
pretty
simple.
It's
it's!
What
we
want
to
see
for
downtown
projects,
you
know
keeping
the
going
back
to
the
historic
architecture
and.
I
I
Patton
is
a
little
bit
higher
than
college
street,
so
it's
a
three-story
building
on
patent
and
a
four-story
building
on
college
street,
and
sometimes
those
elevation
changes
make
people
kind
of
a
mess
with
the
storefront,
sometimes
to
kind
of
accommodate
those
changes.
So
I
guess
adding
the
mezzanine
in
this
building
changed
it.
So
it
really
wasn't
a
storefront
anymore.
It
was
just
an
entrance
with
kind
of
an
up
and
a
down.
So
does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
these
projects
or
comments.
F
So
is
it
going
to
shippo
for
review
state
historic
preservation,
office.
I
You
know
it
doesn't
actually
say
that
I
know
that
when
we
originally
talked
this
winter,
when
they
started
work
on
this,
they
were
doing
a
tax
credit
project.
It
doesn't
say
that
so
I
I
need
to
ask
that,
but.
I
D
I'm
just
curious
so
but
to
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge,
because
if
it
is,
they
may
have
some
small
changes
or
suggestions
to
make
and
as
long
as
it's
not
a
big
change,
it
wouldn't
have
to
come
back
to
this
body,
and
is
this
also.
This
is
also
going
to
the
design
review
board
next
correct.
I
Yes,
I
should
have
said
that
yeah,
so
this
will
be
at
the
drc
next
thursday
and
it's
a
level
one
project,
because
it's
such
a
small
building,
it's
around,
I
think
12
000
square
feet.
J
Andrew
yeah,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
gonna
be
any
street
treatments
or
the
side
are
there's
gonna,
be
any
sidewalk
work
or
anything
like
that.
Are
we
just
talking
facade
an
interior,
remodel.
I
I
This
is
one
of
those
situations
like
we
had
with
the
tyler
building
on
lexington,
where,
if
they
were
going
to
change
anything
it
really,
you
know
it
kind
of
disrupts
everything
you
know.
We'd
have
to
have
like
really
a
street
plan
and
changing
the
street.
I
don't
think
at
this
point
where
they
are
planning
on
any
of
that.
J
I'm
looking
at
the
street
view
on
my
other
monitor
here
and
it
looks
like
just
looks
like
a
yield
electrical
box
that
is
adjacent
to
the
wells,
fargo
building
and
it's
I'm
just
wondering,
if
they're
to
be
planning
on
moving
that
that
means
they're
doing
sidewalk
work,
and
that
means
that
they've
got
a
out
of
date,
sidewalk
because
they're,
probably
they're
not
going
to
require
them
to
replace
the
brick
on
that
side.
Obviously
we'll
go
to
the
new
standard
for
sidewalk.
J
I
imagine
I
just
wonder
if,
if
that
you
know,
if
they've
thought
that
far
ahead,
if
they're,
showing
that,
if
they're
not
showing
that
utility
box
there,
it's
got
to
be
someplace.
J
M
J
Right
now
so
anyway,
these
are,
I
know
this
is
just
a
facade
review,
but
that
utility
box
is
on
the
facade.
So
it's
gonna
go
someplace.
H
On
the
demo
plan
it
says
that
they're
to
remove
the
existing
electricity
meter
transformer
and
provide
new
per
upgraded
power,
so
I
think
they're
just
going
to
replace
it
and
I
just
think
they
probably
didn't
put
it
on
the
rendering,
because
it's
not
pretty
but
it
on
the
demo
sheet,
a
3.00,
it's
stashed
in
red
and
it
says,
provide
new
per
upgraded.
So
I
from
that,
I
would
think
that
they're
going
to
put
a
new
one
there,
but
it
could
be
something
that
they
need
to
clarify
for
sure.
D
If
it's
a
transformer,
they
could
just
be
moving
it
inside
the
building,
if
it's
just
true
might
just
be
going
away,
but
that's
a
good
catch
andrew,
we'll
we'll
make
sure
that
we
catch
it
basically
address
it
with
the
with
the
applicant
and
we'll
also
make
sure
we
it's.
He
at
least
has
an
answer
for
the
design
review
board
cool.
Thank
you
any
other
comments
or
questions.
F
H
On
the
next
sheet,
sorry,
on
the
next
sheet,
a
4.00,
it
says
new
flush
mounted
ct
cabinet
for
upgraded
power
service
beyond
size
to
be
determined,
and
it's
dashed.
So
it
looks
like
it's
beyond
the
wall.
F
I
D
Think
so,
if
we
don't
have
any
we
don't
we
don't
need
to
make
a
motion
or
do
anything
to
or
do
we
no
dana.
We
don't
need
to
do
anything
correct.
D
F
D
D
If
we,
if
you've,
got
217
okay,
let's
go
ahead
and
do
217.
and
then
and
then
we'll.
Let
shannon
come
in.
I
Okay,
sorry
shannon,
so
this
is
217
hillyard.
This
came
to
informal
design
review
at
our
last
design
review
committee
meeting.
It
has
since
been
to
technical
review.
It
is
let's
scroll
here,
so
here's
the
location.
I
So
this
is
an
in-field
development.
This
existing
parcel
is
being
subdivided.
This
new
parcel
is
about
0.18
of
an
acre,
and
so
it's
really
mostly
the
this
parking
lot
and
a
little
bit
of
it
comes
in
front
of
this
house,
the
side
of
this
house.
This
is
a
historic
house
and
you
know
won't.
I
H
A
I
Just
want
to
go
really
quick
to
sorry.
Why?
I
Let
me
just
scroll,
I
want
to
scroll
down
to
the
site
plan
really
quickly.
So
before
we
look
at
the
renderings.
I
So
the
great
thing
about
this
project
is
we're
going
to
get
a
brand
new
10-foot
sidewalk
in
front
of
this
building
and
they're
actually
going
to
extend
the
sidewalk
all
the
way
to
the
corner
and
it'll
be
a
8-foot
sidewalk
here,
so
they're
really
required
to
do
the
10-foot
sidewalk
on
their
frontage.
So
there's
a
new.
I
You
know
protecting
tree
canopy
or
adding
to
it,
and
in
this
case
they
are
required
to
have
ten
percent
of
the
area
either
be
tree
canopy
or
fee
in
lieu.
You
know,
especially
for
downtown.
It
can
be
difficult
to
do
that,
so
they
are
providing
some
area
here
next
to
their
building
and
this
on
the
side,
and
that
I
think,
is
about
five
percent
and
then
they're
paying
a
fee
in
lieu
for
the
other
five
percent.
I
I
This
is
the
hilliard
facade,
so
they
have
their
primary
entrance
here.
They
have,
they
are
using
kind
of
a
garage
door,
will
roll
up
and
they'll
roll
carts
out
for
trash
on
the
pickup
day,
and
it
rolls
back
in
so
there
shouldn't
be
trash
sitting
out
here
on
a
regular.
You
know
basis.
I
This
is,
I
didn't
say,
but
this
is
80
units
of
micro
housing.
I
think
many
of
you
probably
already
know
that,
but
the
idea
being
that
on
each
floor
you
have
a
kitchen,
you
have
shared
facilities
right,
so
I
didn't
mark
out
which
was
the
floor
plan.
I
will
find
a
floor
plan
before
we're
before
we're
done,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
rendering
here
it
is
five
stories.
They've
got
a
little
bit
of
a
roof
deck
here,
the
in
the
informal
review.
I
The
committee
talked
about
this
roof
over
the
deck
feeling,
like
maybe
it's
not
quite
finished,
and
you
know
brian
or
any
of
you,
stephen
lee
kimmy,
if
any.
If
you
want
to
add
to
anything
here
that
we
talked
about
here's
another
view,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
mural
art
on
buildings,
downtown
and
really
we
don't.
I
We
don't
have
basically
to
remember
stephanie
kind
of
outlined
this.
For
me.
You
know
you
can't
have
anything,
that's
not
decent.
Indeed,
I
forget
the
correct
word,
but
you
know
nothing.
That's
really
kind
of
crosses
the
line
of
objectionable,
but
we
don't
regulate
colors
or
content.
It
can't
be
a
sign
so
like
if
this
were
a
brewery,
it
couldn't
have
like
a
can.
That
said,
wedge
brewery
on
it
or
something
that
counts
towards
your
sign
allowance,
you
could
do
it.
It
just
counts
towards
your
sign.
So.
D
We
we
talked
about
the
front
entrance
being
better
delineated
from
this
corner
exit
and
there
there's
a
few
other
things
like
that,
but
it
was
generally
favorably
received
from
the
design
review
committee.
I
D
So
sasha
this
looks
like
the
only
thing
they
changed
from
the
last
time
I
saw
it
is
really
the
just
the
graphics.
Is
that
correct.
I
E
A
Ahead,
well,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
you
guys
in
in
design.
A
You
know
we've
been
working
with
the
tree
planting
specs,
especially
for
sidewalks,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
haven't
quite
gotten
to
the
newest
standard,
but
if
there
was
some
way
we
could
emphasize
using
the
standards
that
we
are
developing,
I
think
we'll
get
much
healthier
trees
and
I
know
just
two
trees
doesn't
seem
like
a
lot,
but
it's
two
trees
that
we
don't
have
right
now
and
for
this
project,
and
I
think
the
next
one
we're
going
to
talk
about
that.
A
A
Silver
cells,
without
also
being
able
to
connect
interconnect
adjoining
tree
zones
so
that
there's
be
some
suspended
safe
pavement
and
that
these
that
beneath
the
sidewalk
there's
actually
adjoining
of
the
root
zone.
So
they
can.
They
can
work
with
each
other
and
create
a
a
larger
growing
area.
A
And
that's
why
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
and
and
if
I
think
why
dila
might
be
able
to
tell
you
how
at
what
point
we
are,
but
we've
gotten
quite
a
ways
into
getting
those
details.
Ironed
out.
D
Yeah
we're
we're
really
close
on
that.
Well,
I
was
going
to
try
to
touch
on
that
when
we
get
to
our
boards
or
our
committee
reports
on
peace,
but
thank
you
and
and
they're
actually,
three
street
trees,
so
a
couple
of
things
just
from
a
public
safety
standpoint.
D
This
is
a
really
advantageous
project
because
it
provides
a
good
sidewalk
where
we
currently
only
have
people
there's
a
if
you.
If
you
drive
through
this
area,
there
are
a
lot
of
people
walking
back
and
forth
and
they're
right
on
the
road
up
against
that
wall.
So
this
this
creates
a
much
safer
zone.
It
creates
we
get
three
trees
where
we
street
trees,
where
we
currently
have
none,
and
just
just
just
from
a
public
safety
standpoint.
This
is
a
this
is
a
a
really
advantageous
project
it
it's
activating.
D
I
And
I
guess
just
to,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
will
just
comment
on
what
you
just
said.
Ms
hunter
brought
up
lighting
in
this
area
during
this
informal
review,
and
I've
done
a
little
bit
of
digging
on
that
and
apparently
the
city
either
we
ask
a
developer
to
if
a
developer
can
request
duke
power,
because
I
guess
we
lease
all
our
street
lights
from
duke
power,
duke
progress,
and
so
they
will
do
a
study
of
a
building.
I
Duke
will
just
do
it
for
you
and
kind
of
come
up
with
a
recommendation
of
lighting,
because
there's
certain
standards
of
kind
of
making
lighting
even
like
there's,
no
giant
hot
spots
and
the
lights
not
bleeding
over
out
into
this.
You
know
all
over
the
place
or
if
a
citizen
makes
a
request,
the
city
will
will
make
that
request
of
duke
so
we
don't
have.
Apparently
we
don't
have
a
systemic
way
that
we
are
evaluating
our
streets
on
a
regular
basis.
D
So
would
that
would
street
lights
be
added
as
part
of
this
project
go
ahead?
Kimmy.
D
Would
the
developer
be
providing
street
lights
as
part
of
this
sidewalk
improvement
piece.
I
Shannon
might
know
the
answer
to
that
better
than
I
I
don't
know
exactly
how
that
works.
I
mean
how
the
cambria
had
street
lights.
Put
in.
That's
the
only
one
I
know
about.
I
don't
think.
N
Yeah,
they
wouldn't
be
required
to
do
street
lights,
but
they
could,
because
it's
an
existing
street
that
already
in
theory,
is
already
lit.
N
The
the
street
lights
are
really
meant
to
like
the
street
for
the
most
part,
so
sometimes
it's
building
lighting
or
sight
lighting
that
they
use
to
kind
of
light.
The
areas
around
the
building.
E
And
you
can
email
us
later,
if
that's
better,
how
do
we
actually
approach
this
intelligently
and
in
a
way
where
we
could
get
down
the
road
with
lighting,
because
it
is
a
factor
for
me
on
every
project
because
of
lots
of
reasons
not
just
because
there's
a
inherent
negative
disposition
towards
dark-skinned
people
without
lighting,
but
there's
other
factors,
safety
and
other
things.
So
how
do
we?
Because
I'm
going
to
bring
it
up
on
every
project?
How
do
we
actually
do
something
with
it
where
it
actually
moves
the
needle?
E
I
Right
yeah
and
I
have
I
have
tried-
I've
started
doing
a
little
bit
of
research
because
I
agree.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
kind
of
a
broad
pers
like
kind
of
research
or
any
other
best
practices
or
data
that
we
could
pull
from
to
come
up
with
kind
of
a
guiding
policy
or
our
practices.
I
I
think,
as
a
committee,
if
you
wanted
to
talk,
I
think
if
you
wanted
to
talk
to
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
and
the
committee
could
kind
of
make
that
request
of
staff.
But
I
can
we
can
definitely
start
talking
about
internally
about
what
it
looks
like.
E
N
Lighting
is
a
little
tricky.
I
should
say
that
it's
it
while
there
certainly
is
a
design
element
as
it
relates
to
these
projects.
There
are
a
number
of
other
city
departments
that
are
involved
and
invested
in
that
subject
as
well,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
street
lighting.
So
our
sustainability
office,
our
public
works
department,
our
transportation
department,
they
all
our
police
department.
They
all
have
kind
of
an
interest
in
that.
So
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
explore
it,
it
would
need
to
be
a
multi-disciplinary
multi-departmental
effort.
D
Well,
eventually,
it
needs
to
get
into
the
our
key
pedestrian
streets
and
our
our
our
downtown
master
plan.
B
F
B
H
B
Talked
about
it
being
a
design
guideline
or
recommendation,
particularly
in
you
know
more
than
just
the
street
frontage,
all
areas
of
the
property.
I
know
ms
hunter
and
I
have
talked
about
this
in
light
of
what
happened
with
johnny
rush
and
you
know
had
lighting
been
in
place,
would
it
have
affected
the
outcomes
and
so.
O
Lighting
on
streets
like
this
has
to
be
a
very
comprehensive,
city-led
design
effort
and
I
think
kim
what
we're
all
saying
is
that
this
is
just
a
good
general
reminder
that
our
key
pedestrian
and
corridors
like
hilliard
need
to
have
at
least
a
plan
put
in
place,
and
it
could
be
simple,
but
there
needs
to
be
some
type
of
action
plan
identified.
O
E
Thank
you,
brian,
so
I
really
appreciate
the
commission
and
all
every
person,
each
of
one
of
you
and
seeing
this
is
a
really
valuable
conversation
and
sasha.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
up
because
here's
the
main
thing
there's
so
many
things
about
design.
I
don't
understand,
but
I
want
to
offer
that
every
time
we
leave
lighting
out
of
a
design
element,
we
are
actually
continuing
to
perpetuate
harms
against
our
community
members.
So
it
has
to
be
a
priority.
I
know
we
have
lots
of
priorities.
E
I
understand
they're
competing
in
some
instances
and,
let
me
say,
everybody's
doing
a
good
job
of
figuring
out
how
to
get
things
done,
but
as
a
human
in
a
black
earth
suit.
I
cannot
emphasize
this
enough
that
lighting
left
out
of
design
is
actually
harmful,
and
I
want
to
continue
to
emphasize
it
over
and
over
again
like
a
broken
record
until
it
gets
fixed,
and
I
appreciate
you
all
understanding
that
thank
you.
D
Wonderful
sasha:
do
you
have
enough
notes
to
move
this
one
forward.
K
Well,
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
had
completed
the
conversation
about
lighting
before
I
segued
into
something
else,
just
on
that
same
line,
given
the
conversation
that
we've
had
about
noise
and
noise
ordinance
recently,
I
wonder
if
that's
being
talked
about
early
on
with
these
developers,
particularly
in
residential
projects
and
how
to
you
know
to
to
coordinate
so
that
we're
not
having
issues
down
the
line.
Just
a
question.
K
G
K
F
E
Conversation
with
city
city
staff
members,
this
was
several
months
ago
who
asked
me
my
opinion
about
noise
and
megan.
To
your
point,
I
had
a
very
lengthy
conversation
about
any
development
and
how
there's
in
implicit
bias.
If
it's
the
building
isn't
built
correctly
for
sound
dampening.
It
creates
implicit
bias
for
renters,
which
is
a
whole
other
socioeconomic
matter.
I
know
we
say
these
things
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
design,
but
I
promise
you
they
do.
J
J
It's
really
barely
even
a
sidewalk.
It's
it's!
It's
really
awful.
As
someone
who
lives
around
the
corner
from
here,
I
have
to
it.
It
sort
of
wants
to
become
a
shared
street.
The
sidewalk
is
so
bad,
but
it's
definitely
not
set
up
to
be
that
way.
It
looks
like
the
existing
bike.
Lane
is
not
impacted
by
that
word.
By
this,
though,
is
that
is
that
correct.
I
We
so
after
trc
I
met
the
engineers
myself
and
ken
putnam
met.
So
there
is
a
small
impact.
I
mean
the
bike
lane
will
be
maintained,
but
it's
going
to
be
narrowed
a
little
bit,
but
still,
I
think
it's
still
a
five
foot
bike
lane
so
we're
trying
to
maintain
it,
but
at
the
same
time
have
a
and
the
travel
lanes
may
be
they're
still
a
good
they're
decent
with.
J
Okay,
so,
but
that's
really
what
we're
getting
out
of
that
is
a
10-foot
sidewalk
that
meets
the
rest
of
the
downtown
standards
and
that's
really
huge.
I
will
note
that,
like
just
as
far
as
the
the
the
design,
the
the
ground
floor
is
all
there's
like
first
floor
units
on
there,
which
is
a
really
unusual
feature
in
downtown,
like
hotels,
typically,
don't
even
put
units
on
the
first
floor
like
living
units
or
lodging
units.
J
So
I
find
that
to
be
a
really
unusual
feature
of
the
for
the
use
of
this
building
and
I'm
also
and
I'm
well.
I
welcome
housing,
especially
you
know,
sort
of
like
every
stripe,
especially
you
know
of
not
the
luxury
portion,
because
you
know
obviously,
that
luxury
housing
money
has
a
lot
of
places
to
go
and
rental
and
non-luxury
housing
when
he
has
very
very
few
places
to
go.
So
I'm
I
welcome
that.
But
it's
it's
from
a
liberty
livability
perspective
living
in
downtown
on
the
ground
floor.
J
It's
a
little
questionable.
It's
something
we
don't
see
is
that
is
do
they
need
an
exception,
for
that
does.
I
No,
we
don't.
We
allow
this
in
downtown,
and
actually
I
would
I
know
what
you
mean,
but
we
do
have
other
examples
of
this
throughout
downtown.
We
have
talked
over
the
years
about,
should
we
be
allowing
all
residential
buildings
with
no
ground
floor
activation,
and
I
think
we
see
the
benefits
of
housing
so
much
that
we
didn't
really
want
to.
I
mean
it's
worth
it.
Having
having
additional
units
is
kind
of
worth.
I
Those
folks
will
be
activating
other
parts
of
the
streets
right,
so
we've
never
changed
that
rule
so
like
the
carolina,
which
I
know
is
you
know
the
elevation.
The
carolina
apartments
is
all
residential,
the
condominiums
down
on
shortcocks
and
south
side.
There's
there's
other
examples.
The.
J
That's
right,
I
know
market
street
had
we
worked
on.
We
did
a
project
on
market
street
that
had
some
ground
head
ground
floor,
residential,
so
yeah.
I
guess
that's
just
what
I
was
thinking,
but
it
may
not
be.
There
may
not
be
a
lot
of
utility
in
trying
to
get
involved
in
regulating
a
ground
ground
floor
residential-
and
you
know
I
look
at
this
and
it's
like
right-
it's
right
downtown!
It's
on
it's
a
transit
corridor.
You
can
walk
to
the
bus
station.
J
J
So
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
to
this,
especially
that
bigger
sidewalk,
there's
just
I
would
love
to
see
if
there
I
bet
there's
been
some
vehicular
pedestrian
incidents
here,
and
this
has
to
help
that
there's,
but
this
whole
corridor
needs
this
whole
street
really
needs
that
help
but
yeah.
I
hope
this
is
for
locals.
I
J
D
A
Make
a
very
quick
quick,
I
just
you
all
know
the
hot
spot,
there's
a
lot
of
activity
there,
and
I
think
this
project
will
make
that
that
area
a
lot
safer,
but
you
have
more
eyes
on
the
street
and
going
back
to
the
the
lighting
situation
if
we
can
get
consistent
lighting
that
helps
with
the
security
along
the
street.
I
think
this
will
be
a
great
improvement
and
I'm
glad
to
see
this
happen.
Thank
you.
D
Very
good,
wonderful
with
that
I'd
say
we
move
on
to
61
biltmore
the
moxie
hotel.
This
is
this
is
essentially
a
finish
in
the
aloft
is
kind
of
what
this
project
is.
So
I
think,
shannon,
if
you're
ready
to
talk
to
us
about
that
one.
N
Yes,
okay,
great
so,
as
brian
has
indicated,
this
next
item
on
your
agenda
is
the
development
impact
discussion
for
the
new
edition
that
would
be
located
just
south
of
the
existing
51
biltmore
site.
That's
the
a
loft
hotel
that
I
think,
probably
most
of
us
here.
If
not,
everybody
is
already
somewhat
familiar
with.
So
in
looking
at
the
site
plan,
I
think
the
important
thing
to
note
is
that
it's
got
a
very
limited
imp
site
impact.
N
It
really
is
kind
of
filling
a
void
that
currently
exists
today
and
with
a
very
limited
amount
of
site
improvements
just
directly
in
front
of
the
proposed
building
edition,
as
well
as
along
the
alley
to
the
south.
N
N
So,
of
course,
that's
the
aloft
hotel
there
and
then
here's
that
that
void
and
this
project
I
should
say
the
aloft-
was
a
conditional
zoning
back
in
2008
and
at
the
time
there
was
always
the
plan
for
a
future
building
at
this
location.
So
it
was
actually
designed,
there's
condominium
document
associated
with
this
project
and
with
this
property,
and
it
contemplated
three
condominiums,
the
aloft
hotel,
the
public
parking
deck
and
then
the
this
third
building
here.
N
N
We
do
require
that
the
new
development
meet
all
of
the
technical
standards
that
are
in
place
at
the
time
of
application.
So
this
is
a
new
level,
two
application.
It
is
a
115
room
hotel,
so
it
does
have
to
comply
with
not
just
the
conditional
zoning
from
2008,
but
also
with
our
current
development
standards.
So
this
is
one
of
the
first
hotels
that
will
be
coming
through.
N
That
is
required
to
have
a
positive
recommendation
from
the
development
review
or
excuse
me,
the
design
review
committee
as
well
as
provide
public
benefits
so,
and
I
can
talk
about
the
public
benefits
again.
You
know
after
I
go
through
the
design
proposal.
So
again,
this
is
the
the
location
it
will
go
up
and
then
you
can
see
the
exposed
portion
of
the
parking
deck
here
so
it'll
go
up
and
over
that,
and
this
will
become
more
apparent
when
we
look
at
the
elevations
for
the
project.
So
let
me
move
forward.
N
N
It
is
a
stand-alone
flag,
but
it
will
be
collectively
managed
by
the
same
hotel
group
as
the
aloft,
and
there
are
some
shared
amenities
and
facilities
between
the
two
hotels.
I
think
like
a
fitness
area,
and
some
things
like
that
will
be
shared
between
the
two
hotels
and
I
do
believe
there
are
some
internal
connections
as
well.
You
can
see
that
the
upper
floors
kind
of
line
up
with
the
aloft
upper
floors,
and
I
think
that's
for
some
of
that
shared
amenity
space
and
cross
access.
N
The
step
back
is
also
located
at
a
slightly
different
location
compared
to
the
aloft.
You
know
they
have
a
lower
step
back
at
their
balcony.
This
project
also
has
a
balcony
where
the
street
wall
height
and
the
step
back
occur.
So
it's
a
little
bit
mismatched,
but
you
can
see
they've
kind
of
tried
to
line
that
up
with
one
of
the
four
plates
for
the
a
loft
hotel,
so
you
can
also
probably
tell
from
the
design
it's
it's
a
more
industrial
look,
so
it
will
be
a
little
unique.
N
It's
predominantly
metal
and
like
painted
metal
and
glass
is
the
the
main
materials
that
dominate
the
exposed
facades.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
aefus
proposed
kind
of
at
the
upper
stories,
particularly
on
some
of
the
other
elevations.
So
let
me
scroll
through
here
so
here
you
can
see.
This
would
be
the
the
view
from
that
alley.
The
unnamed
alley
to
the
south-
and
so
you
can
see
this
is
the
existing
parking
garage.
N
N
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
true
wood
or
if
it's
just
a
material,
that
sort
of
looks
like
wood,
but
it's,
but
that's
relatively
minor
and
they're,
really
just
sort
of
accents
on
the
building.
N
They
they
had,
they
haven't
changed
that
they
were
going
to
be
doing
a
mural.
It's
some
not
unlike
the
earlier
conversation.
You
know
we
just
will
that
they're
free
to
pursue
a
mural.
We
don't
really
have
specific
requirements
for
it
other
than
the
things
that
sasha
mentioned,
avoiding
indecent
or
obscene
images,
or
you
know
trying
to
steer
clear
of
any
issues
with
sign
code.
That
kind
of
thing.
N
N
N
Thank
you
so,
moving
along
on
the
elevations,
this
is
the
rear
elevation,
it's
the
so
from
south
lexington,
it's
a
little
hard
to
tell
from
this
particular
rendering,
but
this
is
all
the
apartments
that
we
mentioned
just
earlier
in
the
previous
application,
where
we
had
some
of
those
ground
level
units.
So
it's
going
to
be
it
this
rendering
doesn't
do
it
justice.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
more
attractive
than
that,
because
we
already
have
residents
located
here
along
the
street
and
then
the
north
elevation
along
hilliard.
Again,
this
is
the
existing
hotel.
N
Let
me
scroll
through
so
here
we
go.
Here's
some
of
the
renderings.
Where
you
can
see
you
probably
get
a
better
sense
of
you
know
the
the
character
of
the
project,
and
you
can
see
the
the
amount
of
glass
and
the
metal
framework
around
the
glass
that
will
be
used
that
bit
of
efus
here.
The
applicant
did
recently
submit
a
revised
illustrative
of
this
facade,
they're
changing
their
color
scheme.
I
think
it's
a
relative,
it's
a
minor
change.
It
won't
be
quite
as
light
as
it's
shown
here.
N
It's
going
to
be
a
darker
gray
combination
of
darker
grays
on
in
this,
which
I
think
will
actually
be
kind
of
nice
and
might
help
distinguish
it
from
the
aloft
hotel
a
little
bit
more
moving
along.
So
a
better
view
of
that
south
side.
From
that
shared
alley,
I
should
have
mentioned
when
I
was
on
the
site
plan.
The
applicant
also
does
propose
to
redo
the
work
in
the
alley.
N
N
Oh
and
you
can
see
here
too
there
there
is
a
small
bit
of
rooftop
activation
as
well.
D
I
said
that's
huge
the
but
making
making
that
alley
a
pedestrian
way.
Yeah.
That's
how
I
get
to
67
biltmore.
N
N
They
are
also
proposing
to
they're
going
to
keep
the
existing
transit
shelter,
but
they
are
going
to
relocate
it
slightly,
just
to
kind
of
keep
it
from
being
like
directly
in
front
of
their
front
door.
They're
working
with
our
transportation
staff
on
that
make
sure.
N
I
I
mentioned
that
as
well,
and
you
know-
maybe
maybe
that's
someone
with
that.
Neighborhood
improvement
money
can
be
for
ad.
You
know
we'll
see
and
then
again
another
image
you
can
see
in
an
earlier
discussion
at
the
design
review
committee.
This
project
did
go
to
design
review
for
informal
review
and
was
generally
well
received
that
we
had
a
short
discussion
about
a
possible
mural
located
at
this
location.
N
They
found
an
image
of
an
old
historic
hotel
that
had
been
located
on
the
site
and
they
were
playing
with
ways
as
to
how
to
reflect
that
in
a
mural.
You
know
that
could
kind
of
speak
to
what
was
there
before
when
we
have
this
new
construction
and
then
the
materials,
as
I
mentioned,
they're
proposing
this
some
efis,
the
painted
metal,
some
those
wood
accents
and
then,
of
course,
the
insulated
glass.
So
I
think
that
concludes
my
summary
of
the
project.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
go
back
to
any
of
the
images.
A
Geo,
I
was
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
the
alleyway
because
I've
it's.
I
love
these
little
alleyways
that
we
have
downtown,
but
some
of
them
can
be
very
dark
and
dangerous,
and
going
back
to
that
discussion
we
had
earlier
the
previous
project
of
making
sure
that
is
it's
a
well-lighted
space.
It's
it's
it's
rich
with
detail
where
people
will
actually
cut
through
and
feel
comfortable
going
to
it.
I
I'm
glad
they're
doing
all
that
there's
also
opportunities
of
of
artwork
along
that
and
enhancements
along
the
the
alleyways.
D
And
shannon
per
the
last
discussion
as
well
we're
gonna,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
prudent
to
let
cdc
know
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
the
best
tree
standards
for
those
two
street
tree
grates
that
they're
looking
at
I'm
working
on
out
there
andrew
you've
got
your
hand
up.
J
Yeah,
I'm
wondering
about
that
alley.
I'd
love
to
see
that
they're
going
to
restrict
the
vehicular
the
vehicular
access
there.
Are
they
going
to
do
that
with
bollards?
Are
they?
Is
it
going
to
be
gated
and
restricted
and
sort
of
privatized
in
that
way,
and
also
this
is
one
of
the
longest
blocks
that
we
have
in
town
from
aston
down
to
hilliard
and
it's
also
a
35
mile
per
hour
road,
and
so
I'm
thinking
about
how
people
are
gonna.
J
You
know
you
know
when
they're
not
in
their
cars,
how
this
is
how
this
could
potentially
change
things.
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
you
come
out
of
that
alley,
people
are
going
to
want
to
cross
the
street
there.
J
Is
there
any
potential
for
the
city
to
work
and
get
a
crosswalk
there,
because
this
is
because,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
cross
the
street
here
legally,
you
either
have
to
walk
all
the
way
down
to
hillyard
cross
biltmore
and
then
walk
back
up
or
you
have
to
go
up
to
aston
cross
aston,
because
there's
no
crosswalk
on
this
side
of
the
block
then
cross
biltmore
and
then
walk
back
down
and
cross
another
across
another
side
street.
So
there's
just
just
like
from
a
pedestrian
movement
aspect.
J
I
really
see
that
this
that
that
that
there's
going
to
be
people
wanting
to
cross
the
street
there,
because
I
work
across
76.
I
know
that
some
of
the
visitors
are
going
to
be
customer.
You
know
my
patrons
at
work
and
I
see
people
illegally
crossing
all
the
time
right
here.
It
seems
like
we've
got
a
an
opportunity
while
we're
doing
this
to
work
on
to
enhance
the
pedestrian
experience,
and
I
know
that's
a
dot
street
and
that's
going
to
be
problematic.
J
F
B
I
was
just
gonna
share
what
I
do
know
about
crosswalks
on
biltmore,
because
I
manage
a
lot
of
property
on
that
stretch
and
the
corner
at
orange
peel-
and
I
guess
it's
ukiah
now
is
going
to
be
a
crosswalk,
it's
just
a
matter
of
time
until
they
install
it
should
be
kind
of.
I
was
thinking
this
year,
but
it
could
be
next
year
and
I
know
folks
have
tried
to
get
one.
B
It
took
a
long
time
to
get
the
one
at
manicomio,
I'm
so
thrilled
to
have
that
one,
but
they
must
have
some
kind
of
distance
between
I
mean
I'm
all
for
pushing
forward.
I
watch
people
cross
that
road
dangerously,
as
is
I'll,
never
forget,
almost
seeing
a
pregnant
woman
almost
get
hit
by
a
car
crossing
that
road
yeah
but
well
said
andrew.
It
would
be
great
to
have
more
pedestrian
access.
There.
J
Cool
and
the
other
thing
I'm
going
to
notice
is
right
now,
there's
a
curb
cut
right
there
that
leads
into
because
it's
for
vehicular
access
and
they're
going
to
go
to
a
granite,
curb
and
the
normal
sidewalk
standard.
I
wonder
if
there's
potential
to
have
some
more
on
street
parking
there,
I'm
all
in
favor
of
taking
you
know,
curb
cuts
that
are
no
longer
no
longer
have
use
and
turning
them
into
more
on-street
parking
or
street
activation.
J
J
Okay,
the
other
question
I
have
is:
do
we
know
how
long
right
now
that's
a
transit,
that
transit
shelter?
Is
there
and
they're
gonna,
take
it
away
and
give
it
back?
How
long
is
it
gonna
be
that
people
waiting
for
the
bus
are
gonna
get
soaked,
so
I
know
ultimately
it'll
be
back,
but
I
mean
I'm
gonna
count.
The
I'm
gonna
people
are
gonna,
be
counting
the
raindrops
if
they're
waiting
for
on
a
bus
there
right
now
so
do
we
know
that.
I
N
Don't
but
I
and
again
I'll
be
happy
to
check
on
that
more
I
I
know
our
transportation
staff
are
usually
pretty
strict
about
minimizing
any
gaps
in
service
or
accommodations.
So
I
I
suspect,
they're
probably
going
to
want
to
try
to
see
everything
done
and
put
in
place
before
they
remove
the
like,
so
that
there's
almost
no
gap
in
accommodation
so
but
I'll
I'll
check.
J
All
right-
and
I
just
got
to
say
in
general-
I
feel
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
bait
and
switch,
because
I
I
remember
the
idea
when
this
was
built
and
it
I
know
that
it's
on
the
side
of
a
hotel,
but
now
it's
we've,
got
two
hotels
on
the
side
of
historic
hotel
and
at
115
rooms.
This
is
right
under
the
threshold
for
council
review.
J
So
if
you
that
that
115
number
for
people
who
are
who
are
going
to
be
watching
this
and
looking
at
how
hotel
development
happens
in
lieu
of
other
development,
then
that
115
number
is
going
to
be
real
popular.
We're
going
to
see
that
again
and
again.
J
So
if
you
know
so,
basically,
even
though
council
is
not
going
to
vote
on
this
and
we
don't
really
other
than
design
review,
we
don't
really
get
a
lot
of
community
input
on
this
council
voted
for
this
project
when
they
put
that
threshold
at
116.,
so
that
so
anybody
who
voted
for
anybody
who
who
voted
for
the
current
hotel
development
system
voted
for
this
hotel
at
one
at
115
rooms.
That's
what
we're
that's!
J
What
we're
seeing
here
and
now
that
this
is
a
level
two
review
instead
of
level
three
and
there's
no
conditional
use
for
this
site.
I
believe,
because
it's
a
level
two
that
you
know
this
is
this
is
the
first
of
many
things
like
this,
and
I
I
did
some
research
to
try
to
find.
J
You
know
how
this
project,
how
that
site
was
discussed
when
it
was
originally
pitched,
and
you
can
see
that
you
know
if
you
want
to
leverage
hotel,
you
know
hotel
to
to
make
other
things
happen.
You
know,
that's
that's
one
way
to
leverage
hotel,
construction,
hotel,
income
into
other
types
of
development,
but
we've
already
got
one
hotel
here
where
and
if
we're
just
gonna
have
another
one.
J
This
would
be
a
prime
example
of
a
place
where
we
could
have
housing
or
other
things
that
the
community
needs,
because
when
I
look
at
when
I
look
at
the
balance
of
uses,
you
know
is
we're
not
we're
not.
How
are
we
balancing
our
uses
if
we're
adding
115
hotel
rooms
to
a
block?
That
already
has
that
many.
J
D
Folks,
it's
10
minutes
after
11.
I
appreciate
everybody
continuing
to
stay
on.
Are
there
any
other
comments
or
questions
regarding
this?
First
of
all,
I
think
this
actually
has
to
comply
with
the
earlier
cz.
First
of
all,
so
I
think
that
is
correct
and
second,
shannon.
Is
there
a
you
know,
so
there
used
to
be
a
rule.
If
a
developer
did
another
project
within
five
years
and
it
was
the
same
developer,
is
there
a
similar?
You
know
they
have
to?
D
D
N
You
know
there
is
that,
so
that
rule
still
applies
it's
the
rule
is
that,
if
a
project
that
represents
different
different
projects,
multiple
projects
that
are
within
500
feet
three
years
of
each
other
by
the
same
developer
and
represent
different
phases
of
a
project
that
they
get
combined
for
review
purposes.
So
this
could,
as
brian
said,
this
was
part
of
a
cz,
but
if
it
hadn't
been,
we
could
potentially
combine
them,
except
that
this
project
is
outside
that
three-year
window.
N
D
N
There
is,
there
is
another
combination
rule
as
it
relates
to
additions.
So
if
the
developer
came
back
and
did
an
addition
on
a
project
that
kind
of
triggered
certain
thresholds,
they
couldn't
they
could
be
combined,
and
there
is
no,
when
you
know
year
window
on
that,
it's
just
any
time.
N
In
addition,
that
is
of
a
certain
size
as
it
relates
to
as
a
percentage
of
the
original
square
footage
that
could
potentially
trigger
a
higher
review,
but
when
it's
a
separate
project
like
if
they
acquired
property
across
the
street
and
decided
to
do
another
hotel
four
years
later,
you
are
correct:
they'd
be
looked
at
as
separate
projects.
They
wouldn't
be
combined.
N
K
N
Yes,
so
the
the
original
agreement-
that
is,
you,
know,
kind
of
detailed
in
those
condominium
documents
and
parking,
shared
parking
agreement,
kind
of
spells
out
how
many
rooms
are
available
to
the
mckibben
hotel
group
and
how
many
are
available
to
the
city
for
public
parking.
So
those
numbers
don't
change
in
this
particular
case.
What's
going
to
happen
is
that
the
the
two
hotels
will
have
to
share
what's
available
to
the
mckibben
hotel
group
and
because
the
original
project
was
not
required
to
provide
parking,
the
new
project
is
so
on
paper.
N
The
the
moxie
hotel's
parking
requirement
is
satisfied
by
the
existing
parking
spaces,
but
the
the
reality
is
an
impracticality.
Those
two
hotels
will
share
the
available
parking.
D
D
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
building
design,
I'm
assuming
they're
there
there's
nothing.
It's
all
impervious,
so
they've
already
got
storm
water
handled
in
the
original
project
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
parking.
Are
there
any
other
comments
or
questions?
Any
other
commission
members
have.
D
E
Thank
you
yeah.
I
just
want
to
quickly
state.
I
know
this
isn't
exactly
related
in
a
concrete
way,
but
it
is
actually
inferenced.
E
So
all
this
hotel
overlay
district
stuff
and
what
we
review
really
points
to
a
bigger
picture
of
city-wide
events
that
probably
will
be
on
the
horizon
once
we
have
a
certain
threshold
of
hotels
and
then
that
will
produce
other
issues
that
impact
noise
and
and
other
resident
and
community
member
needs.
E
So
you
know,
I
know
that
we're
evaluating
each
project
by
project
but
collectively,
even
though
people
own
their
own
land
and
they're
allowed
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
collectively
when
it
leads
to
a
whole
new
movement
for
a
city
like
city-wide
events
and
things
of
that
nature,
post
coven.
It
will
have
future
potential
positive
and
unintended
consequential
issues,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
for
the
record
somewhere
in
this
world.
Thank
you.
J
There
we
go
for
anybody
watching
at
home.
We
don't
get
to
vote
on
this
here.
Design
review
will
get
to
vote
on
it,
and
so
I'd
encourage
my
friends
on
design
review
to
ask
these
really
hard
questions
that
that
you
know
I
seem
to
have
some
really
really
direct
answers.
You
know:
is
this
doing
20
years
from
now?
Is
this
part
of
the
asheville
that
we
need
to
see?
Is
this?
Is
this
going
to
have?
I
know
we
don't
like.
J
Like
commissioner
hunter
said,
we
look
at
things
project
by
project,
but
that's
not
how
we
experience
the
town.
We
don't
experience
the
town
project
by
project
we
experience
the
town
as
a
whole
and
as
a
collective,
and
this
absolutely
does
not
contribute
to
this.
This
is
there's
nothing
to
solve
any
of
the
problems
we
have.
J
This
does
not
serve
locals
very
well,
and
I
know
they're
gonna
be
paying
a
living
wage,
but
for
how
long
you
know,
I've
I've
seen
I've
seen
folks,
do
that
or
like
use
contract
labor
to
avoid
do
or
to
avoid
doing
that
and
I'd.
So
I
just
really
hope
that
we
get
some
some
good
answers
on
this
thing
and
we're
not
going
to
get
them
at
the
council
level.
So
it's
going
to
be
up
to
planning
a
zoning
and
design
review
to
to
ask
those
questions.
J
If
the
public's
going
to
know
those
things
about
how
our
land
use
is
being
developed.
So
I'm
really
going
to
encourage
our
our
our
members
here
that
are
on
design
review
to
do
the
lift
that
we
can't
do
at
downtown
commission
anymore
and
ask
those
and
ask
those
hard
questions
about
how
this
fits
into
our
living
asheville
plan,
and
I
I
do
not
see
that
it
does
whatsoever
and
you
know
pedestrian
access.
J
You
know
to
be
applauded,
but
we
could
get
pedestrian
access
and
have
a
and
have
the
uses
of
the
building
fit
into
the
master
plan,
but
it
as
far
as
or
the
living
asheville
comprehensive
plan.
I
absolutely
don't
see
it
does
right
now.
So
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
there's
ample
leeway
to
vote
against
this
project
at
every
level.
D
Thank
you
any
other
comments
and
we'll
we'll
do
our
best
to
take
these
through
and
address
them
with
the
with
the
applicant
directly
any
other
comments
or
questions
or
or
that
we
need
to
communicate
to
shannon
as
she
as
she
shepherds
this
through.
D
Thank
you
all.
Okay,
thank
you,
shannon
we'll
we'll
move
on
and
I'm
just
gonna
jump
down
into
updates
and
reports
again.
Thank
you.
So
much
folks
for
for
sticking
with
us
design
review
committee,
stephen
lee
got
you.
O
Yes,
our
committee
met
last
meeting
was
august
19th,
there
was
one
formal
review,
and
that
was
a
project
that
the
downtown
commission
has
already
reviewed
as
well.
It
was
the
old
europe
project
and
I
think
at
our
last
meeting
we
discussed
those
comments.
O
One
of
them
was
the
217
hilliard
project,
which
we
just
reviewed
as
a
commission.
The
other
was
one
that
has
not
come
before
the
downtown
commission,
yet
it
was
48
south
market
street
and
it
was
well
received
architect.
Laura
hudson
was
there
to
present
and
it's
a
pretty
nifty
infill
project
and
that's
the
end
of
my
report.
D
K
Yep
I'll
be
I'll,
be
quick,
unfortunately,
we're
back
at
the
canceling
event
stages.
We
did
some
surveying
of
the
folks
involved
with
events,
and
there
was
enough
concern
amongst
sponsors,
volunteers,
vendors
and
the
like
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
canceling
some
of
our
events,
easy
decision
to
make
in
a
public
health
crisis
difficult
because
it
supports
local
businesses
and
local
musicians
and
otherwise,
we'll
we'll
hope
to
hear
about
the
parade
here
soon,
and
I
think
I
told
you
guys
last
month
about
some
surveys.
We
had
out
the
mask
mandate.
K
Survey
of
course
went
to
council
and
commissioned
right
away
once
it
was
completed
and
I'm
working
on
some
summary
reports
for
our
mid-year
issues,
survey
that
we
had
out
and
we
will
share
those,
of
course,
with
city
and
county
officials
as
well.
That's
all.
A
Megan
so
you're
saying
that
downtown
after
five
is
cancelled
for
the
next
week.
I
C
Of
you
know
this
at
this
point,
but
I
am
leaving
my
job
with
the
city
and
I
know
there's
going
to
be
more
to
share
in
the
days
and
weeks
ahead
in
terms
of
transitioning
but
I'll
be
working
with
thrive,
asheville
and
I'm
excited
to
continue
to
be
involved
in
moving
important
things
forward
in
asheville,
and
they
have
some
important
work
coming
up
to
look
at
strategies
for
sustainable
tourism.
But
anyway
I
have
loved
working
with
all
of
you.
C
I've
loved
working
downtown
and
just
getting
to
do
so
many
different
things
and
work
with
so
many
different
people,
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
all
know
that
it's
my
last
meeting,
but
I
will
see
you
I
will
see
you
around.
I
will
work
with
you
in
different
ways
and
thanks
for
everything
that
you
guys
do.
D
Well,
we
we,
we
deeply
appreciate
your
service.
We
appreciate
your
dedication,
we're
going
to
miss
being
directly
involved
with
you,
but
we're
glad
you're
not
going
far.
Anyone
who
wants
to
speak
just
jump
in
yeah.
J
I
know
I've
been
working
with
dana,
I
think,
since
probably
about
your
first
day
with
the
city,
probably
or
at
least
your
first
week,
I'd
say
we
probably
met,
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
how
you
changed
and
improved
all
the
conversations
that
that
I've
had
and
all
the
projects
I've
worked
with
on
the
city
with
you
and
I
I
know
I
pushed
you
to
the
limits
of
your
office
and
of
your
power,
but
I
always
appreciated
the
spirit
and
the
access
and
the
information
that
you
helped
provide.
J
It
helped
it
helped.
It
helps
me
be
a
better
commissioner
and
be
a
better
ambassador
for
what
the
city
needs
and
what
the
city
can
do,
and
so
your
attitude
and
your
spirit
was
really
a
game
changer
when
you
got
hired
and
those
are
real
big
shoes
to
fill,
and
I
really
so
much
appreciate
all
the
work
that
we've
done
together.
So
I'll
see
you
at
thrive,
asheville.
P
Okay,
I'm
stacey
martin
with
planning
and
urban
design,
and
I'm
gonna
just
give
you
a
brief
update
on
the
hotel
regulations
on
the
there
is
a
full
report
going
to
council
on
the
14th,
and
I
also
have
an
11
30
commitment.
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
make
this
quick,
but
basically
there's
been
five
projects
so
far
that
have
been
reviewed
under
the
new
hotel
regulations.
All
have
been
downtown.
P
Thank
you.
Two
are
small.
Four
have
had
the
option
to
meet
the
public
benefits
and
one
the
four
point
sheraton
went
to
council,
and
so
as
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
that
when
the
project
goes
to
council,
then
it
does
not
have
to
meet
the
public
benefits
table.
P
So
we've
estimated
since
we
don't
know
exactly
how
what
specific
public
benefits
these
projects
are
going
to
meet
yet,
but
we
estimate
that
between
650
000
and
a
million
dollars
will
be
contributed
to
housing
and
reparations
for
the
public
benefits
table
through
these
five
projects.
P
P
One
is
the
off-street
parking
requirements
for
all
lodging
uses,
including
downtown
that
it's
just
a
it's
just
going
to
be
a
text
amendment
that
will
clarify
that.
That
was
our
intention
and
the
other
would
be
that
hotels
that
do
not
go
to
council
the
way
the
ordinance
reason
reads:
it
says
that
they'll
all
be
level
two,
but
some
may
actually
be
level
one
depending
on
their
size,
so
we're
just
gonna
make
that
small
clarification.
P
Probably
the
bigger
issue
is
the
definition
of
hotels
that
we
plan
to
amend,
or
we
would
recommend
to
amend,
to
make
it
clear
that
the
extended
stay
hotel
is.
Is
allowed
is
allowed
but
that
the
condo
hotels
will
be
defined
as
short-term
vacation
rentals
and
they
will
not
be
allowed
in
the
hotel
like
relay
district
and
then
are
there
any
questions
about
that
before
I
go
on
it
because
I
just
want
to
talk
about
the
design
review
process.
D
Real
quick
that
one
does
the
does
the
new
state
law
that
would
affect
our
short-term
rentals
is
that
going
to
affect
anything
regarding
that
the
condo
towers.
P
It's
basically
that
a
condo
tail
does
act
in
our
opinion
and
shannon's
really
the
expert
on
this,
but
that
it
acts
like
a
short-term
vacation
rental
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
distinguish
between
that.
Whereas
an
extended
stay
hotel
is
really
a
hotel
that
just
has
you
know,
could
have
a
kitchen
and
other
facilities
for
long
for
longer
term.
Stay.
N
So
we
are
recommending
that
we
update
the
definition
of
hotel
to
be
more
specific
about
how
a
hotel
is
run
so
that
these
condo
tells
you
know
basically
wouldn't
be
able
to
meet
the
definition
of
a
hotel.
So
it
might,
you
know
not
just
include
single
management,
but
you
know
having
on-site
staff
24-7
having
housekeeping
facilities
in
house
having
the
things
that
you
typically
and
commonly
see
with
a
legitimate,
extended
stay
hotel
as
opposed
to
these
kind
hotel
versions.
N
So
that's
that's
our
strategy.
We've
been
advised
by
our
legal
counsel
that
we
can't
base
it
on
ownership,
so
having
multiple
individually
owned
condominium
units
collectively
run
as
a
hotel
that
wouldn't
necessarily
preclude
somebody
from
being
classified
as
an
extended
stay
hotel.
So
we're
trying
to
focus
more
on
how
it's
run
and
managed.
J
So
I
remember
the
was
it
the
star
building
project
sort
of
this
came
up
with
that,
and
it
was
so.
This
is
just
trying
to
like
close
that
loophole
and
unite
the
regulations.
N
Correct
and
it's
it's
a
tricky
thing
that
the
lodging
industry
has
really
evolved
in
the
last
10
years
or
so,
and
it's
it's
it's
a
tough
thing
like
the
lines
are
getting
blurred
more
and
more
so
it
may
not
completely
close
that
loophole.
Like
I
said
there,
there
could
be
versions
of
extended
stay
hotels
that
do
allow
for
individual
ownership.
You
know
maybe
more
like
a
timeshare
kind
of
product,
but
it
will
certainly
help
at
least
some
of
the
projects
and
initial
inquiries
that
we're
getting
now.
J
P
Okay,
so
she
actually
shannon's
on
the
other,
call
that
I'll
be
on
so
maybe
she
can
fill
in
for
me.
But
then
the
other
thing
is
about
the
design
committee.
Things
are
worth
the
committee's
working
well,
I
I
think
the
process
is
going
well.
P
The
problem
is,
is
that
we
don't
have
a
full
compliment
from
the
riverfront
commission,
so
what
we
have
discussed
is
the
possibility
of
instead
of
having
four
members
from
each
of
the
commissions
is
just
proposing
three
from
each
and
then
actually
having
three
members
at
large
reported
appointed
by
council,
and
we
think
this
will
also
help
for
us
to
sort
of
fill
in
the
gaps
like
as
far
as
expertise
and
diversity,
and
it
gives
kind
of
opens
up
the
field
to
a
greater
pool
of
candidates.
P
For
the
commission,
the
one
thing
is,
or
the
committee
I
should
say
the
way
it
would
work
it
would.
You
know
the
folks
that
are
on
there
now
would
stay
on
there,
but
then,
as
as
someone
rolled
off
of
the
downtown
commission,
then
that
sea
would
not
be
fulfilled
again
and
then
we
would
pull
in
somebody
from
the
outside.
P
So
that
is
what
we'll
be
recommending
to
council.
A
D
Any
any
questions
for
stacey
regarding
the
the
the
hotel
ordinance
update
with
one
minute
to
spare.
Look
at
that.
O
D
Thank
you
all
right,
downtown
update
report
sasha
you
want
me
to
just
roll
over
that
sustain,
is
already.
D
Well,
hopefully,
everyone
has
access
to
it
right.
You've
all
got
that
public
survey
to
get
feedback
on
the
actual
share
space
initiative.
The
the
city
is,
as
as
the
our
earlier
presentation
alluded
to,
they're
they're
working
on
vetting
uses
of
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
funds.
D
It
looks
like
city
council
is
going
to
vote
on
the
categories
on
that
at
their
september
next
week's
meeting,
there's
there's
some
development
project
updates.
We
went
the
three
that
we
went
over
today,
we'll
go
to
the
design
review
committee
next
week
and
then
there's
the
22
woodfin,
the
four-point
sheraton,
the
big
one
was
approved
as
a
conditional
rezoning
by
city
council
back
back
in
august.
D
The
new
noise
ordinance
goes
fully
into
effect
next
week
and
then
I
think,
there's
also
that
six
month
kind
of
review
period
that
will
go
into
effect
with
that.
If
I
remember
correctly
from
the
ordinance,
oh
greninja
bless
her
heart
she's,
the
interim
noise
administrator,
okay,
condolences
to
her
greenway
pedestrian
master
plan
input.
There's
a
link
to
that
on
on
providing
feedback.
I
would
encourage
all
members
to
to
please
provide
feedback
on
on
the
greenway
pedestrian
master
plan
man.
We
really
need
a
pedestrian
street
survey
for
downtown.
D
That's
somewhat
related
in
my
mind
anyway,
public
meeting
format,
mass
requirements-
obviously
we're
going
to
be
virtually
until
we
get
further
recommendations
from
buncombe,
county
health
and
north
carolina
public
health.
So
any
any
questions
on
the
downtown
update.
J
I'd
just
like
to
make
an
observation:
at
last,
I
heard
part
of
the
arpa
fund.
Money
was
slated
to
refill
the
parking
fund
after
depletion
during
the
pandemic,
and
I
I
just
think
that
this
is
not
a
great
idea,
because
it's
an
enterprise
fund,
it's
gonna,
refill
itself
and
that
money
can
would
could
really
be
used
for
a
lot
of
more
pressing
needs
than
filling
a
hole
in
a
bank
account
that
will
eventually
fill
itself.
So
it
doesn't
need
to
be
dedicated
to
that.
There's
options
there.
J
So
I'd,
there's
a
lot
of
other
downtown
needs
and
just
plugging
that
hole
in
that
bank
account
and
which
is
an
enterprise
fund
again,
is
not
is
really
dollars
poorly
spent.
When
we've
got
a
lot
of
other
pressing
needs.
So
I'd
encourage
us
to
ask
our
council
to
redirect
that
those
funds.
J
F
B
D
I
will
try
to
make
sure
we
have
something
on
the
future
agenda
to
discuss
the
partlets
and
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
for
the
winter,
because
it
as
we
extend
some
of
the
the
mandates
it
seems
like.
We
need
to
continue
to
have
a
plan
to
address
that
downtown.
So
I'll.
Try
to
make
a
note
of
that.
D
I
really
appreciate
you
folks,
I'm
staying
on.
We
had
a
good
discussion
today.
I
think
on
several
issues
and
we're
going
to
miss
dana.
If
there
are
no
further
comments
or
questions,
do
I
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.
I
move
to
adjourn.
H
D
Second,
all
in
favor,
wave
and
log
off.
Thank
you
very
much
see.